May 20, 2025 • 46 mins
Senator Amy Klobuchar shares how President Trump’s “big beautiful bill” will hurt Americans and what it’s like sharing a car with Presidents Biden & Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is Gavin Newsom and this is Senator Amy Klobuchart.
First of all, I'm really happy that you're here because
I want folks to appreciate Senator Klobuchart, the fact that
you are one of the most productive. You're the face
of productivity, a politician that not only gets relative okay,
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it gets things done. I mean it is remarkable. You
look at at so many people in the Senate and
you just you feel like, you know, it's a club,
and obviously it's it's you know, it's there's a lot
of status, but you're often not necessarily affirmed that there's
a lot of progress being made, but you are able
to lay claim to a lot of progress, including just yesterday,
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President Trump signed a bill to Take it Down Act,
a bipartisan bill that you and Ted CRU's co sponsor
tell me more about it.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So this came out of which I know you're familiar
with all this, but just what's going on in the
internet right now where there's no rules and you've got
a non consensual and AI created porn and one year,
this is FBI stats, or over twenty suicides of kids
they are courting a girlfriend or a boyfriend. They send
a photo and then that photo goes all over their
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schools or there's some kind of threat or you know,
asking for money, and they think their life is over
and they actually take their own lives. So Center Cruise
and I he is the chair of the Commerce Committee
right now, we joined forces and introduced this bill called
the Take It Down Act. It simply says the platforms
have to take down these images non consential images in
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forty eight hours and then creates criminal liability on the
people that put them on or extends criminal liability. So
we got that through the Senate, but then we were
stopped at the end of the year. It was part
of a bigger bill. And at the inaugural lunch, as
you're aware of, Governor, I cheered the inauguration something I
took on before we knew who won. And I brought
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up to the President and the First Lady this bill
and I said, this is a bill that you know
would fit in First Lady with some of the work
you're doing. And three days later her office called ours
and then she really helped to get it through the
House and it got signed into law.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So I love that, I mean. And so a couple
of things just to reflect on. And I want to
go back to the inaugural because people were I think
a lot of folks wondering why is Senator Klobahark kicking
off the inaugural festivities? And we'll talk about your unique
role in that respect, but how about just the role
of bipartisanship, the role you played and the role it
sounds like the first lady played, but also Senator Cruz,
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is it? I mean this is an anomalous Is this
something to be hopeful about? Is this one off?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
What's your sense is there was there incentives for good behavior?
Have you gotten criticized for working on the other side?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I think, first of all, I've always believed in working
with people you don't always agree with. That courage isn't
just standing by yourself courages whether you're going to stand
next to someone you don't always agree with for the
betterment of this country. And I have done that in
the Senate, working with everyone from Josh Holly on antitrust
issues to Chuck Grassly on biofuels. I mean, you could
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just go on. And however, I do think the president
of this incident aside where we were able to work
on this bill with him when the rhetoric and the
things that are said makes it harder to function and
bipartisan because he will go after people if they don't
do exactly what he wants, and it's all part of
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how he's doing this. So you know, in this case,
I guess we got an exception. They like this bill,
but I do think it makes it harder. And my
goal in life is to do what best for the country,
And as you know, sometimes you take grief when you
work with people or take positions that not everyone agrees with.
But I do think that we need more of that,
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not less of it when it comes to governing right now.
So I'm glad the bill got passed into law. I
continue to, like most many Americans, you know, wake up
every day and think, what did he do? Now? He
just fired the Congressional Library, and he's getting these medicaid cuts,
He's moving us backwards on clean energy, all these things
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that I think that actually gives our country a cutting
edge medical research we should be moving forward. So but
despite all that, I will continue to do what I
think is best and if there's a way to do
things from permitting reform on where we can get things
moving better. I'm game to working with Republicans.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Love all that, and I want to touch on all
those things. But let me go back just a little
bit to the origin story on how you were able
to sort of smooth this bill over. I love that
you said it was that a lunch and it was
just engaging on the personal where the first lady actually
followed up took you. It took very seriously your request
to engage a few days later. But let's take us
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back to that inaugural. I mean that that's an interesting aside,
but what was the most striking part of that You
were there. You're the chair of a joint committee, a
bipartisan committee in Congress. That's related to the inaugural. Maybe
you could talk a little bit about that role. But
that role led you to give a little speech remarks
about enduring democracy, etc. I'm curious, So what enduring memories
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do you have around those Inhugro facilities can't.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Reveal it all and your podcasts have to save some
of it. But you know, it started out in the
White House and I with everyone with the president at
the time, President Biden and Vice President Harris, and then
of course the Vances and the Trumps, the speaker of
the House, Center Schumer, you name it. So everyone's there,
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and then we divide into cars. And this is a tradition.
And I will still go down in American history as
the only person who has ever ridden in a car
alone with Donald Trump and Joe Biden for about twenty
minutes one day. I'll reveal that conversation was quite talkative.
I brought up the fires in California. You will say
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that that was one of my plans to do because
I knew that that President Trump was going out there
and President Biden had been there. So I thought, okay,
here's a common ground moment with the firefighters and the like.
And we talked about many other things as well, and
it was a very vibrant conversation. And then I spent
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the day the inauguration and the like, and it's ends
with the ended with that lunch. But I had my
four minutes, and I decided I wrote every word myself,
and I said, I want this to meet the test
of time, because I knew what was coming at us,
the assault on the rule of law, the economic uncertainty,
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and so what I said were these three things Number one.
Our democracy is a hot mess. It always has been,
but it's our democracy, and you know we must be
as leaders. And I meant every person in their own
neighborhood or whatever they do, we've got to be the
shelter in the storm and protect that democracy. Now that's
a Bob Dylan quote. Kevin, he is from Minnesota and
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just a little Hollywood moment. I like to complete unknown.
I thought it should have won the Academy Award. I'm
going to weigh in on that right now. Okay, But
I didn't say that at the inauguration. Okay, I did
say that reats regrets or yeah. Secondly, that that presidential inauguration.
In other countries, it's held in a presidential palace or
executive office building. In our country, it's held in the
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People's House for a reason, and that's because we have
three equal branches of government under the Constitution. And all
nine justices were there, maybe a show of for not
all there, they all aresvp'ed. When it was outside. I
knew the list, and we had the Congress there, and
we're still waiting for some of the Republicans in Congress
to stand up. We only need four of them to
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stand up against say Medicaid cuts. The third thing and
final thing was just that the power in that rotunda,
despite all the billionaires that were in there, it did
not come from in that rotunda, from a freshman member
of Congress to the President of the United States. It
came from outside of the rotunda. And to me, when
you see people standing up, yes, activists, people who are angry,
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but you also see the quiet voices now of farmers,
soybean farmers in the middle of Minnesota who show up
at a town hall find themselves seated next to a
woman who's holding a sign I was there this happened
that says this is not normal, looks at her, which
is a common sign people are holding now in rallies Democrats,
and he says to her, what do you mean by that?
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And she said, well, this isn't normal. What's happening. Well,
I'm normal, she goes, No, I know you're normal. But
the reason I raise that story is the quiet voices,
the people that don't usually show up. The fact that
they're standing up right now and feel like they must
talk to their governor or their senator, or their mayor
or their congress member. That matters, and We've got to
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keep that part of democracy alive and strong.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I love that. And look, you talk about this notion
of co equal branches, the government, popular sovereignty, the rule
of law, the best of Roman republic and Greek democracy
and founding fathers vision being tested, the rule of law,
this notion of the constitutional crisis that some have attached
at least as a tagline to this moment. What's your
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over under? I mean, where do you think we are
on the basis of that speech, This notion of it
enduring democracy have been vandalized even more acutely than you
had even imagined one hundred plus days ago.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yes, and it's not like we didn't expect bad things
to happen, given who some of the nominees were for
some of the justice jobs, given that we had seen
what he'd done before. In certainly January sixth, I also
was there with President Biden and Roy Blunt when that
all happened. The day of January sixth was, you know,
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Mike Pence and me and Blunt walking down that pathway
to the house, walking over broken glass at three in
the morning, with the last of the electoral ballots, including
California's in that box. So I knew that, and then
we were with Biden on the stage that aside. I
didn't predict they would go this far with you know,
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just dismantling usaid, dismantling people's hopes and dreams, with all
kinds of cuts and things they've done on cancer research
and the like. Their willingness to even just take on
independent bodies like the Consumer Protection Agency, which we called
one hundred and fifty million bad products and saved Americans
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from lead pois and dangerous pool drains and the like.
Just their willingness and the president's willingness to bully people
and whether it's journalists or universities, and then the other
flip side of it, now I'm going to get to
my silver lining here, is just that the courts have
been standing up over two hundred times with judges appointed
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by Bush and by Trump himself and by Reagan. I
didn't even know those judges were still out there, but
they are. They and they, along with the Democratic appointed judges,
have been making courageous decisions. So that is a pushback.
So that's why some people say we're in a crisis.
I'm just a little more saying when I look at
the Civil War. Okay, that was that was a constitutional crisis.
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To me, we're in a starting to be in an
economic crisis if this continues, but we are closer to
a constitutional crisis. But to me, it hasn't arrived yet
because of what the judges doing their jobs. The fact
that while they are defying the administration is defying some
of these rulings for sure, and where that is going
to be decided in the near future. They are following
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some of them. They just seem to pick and choose
which ones they don't like. So all of that it
doesn't make it feel better, but it makes it to
me like you just can't give up the fight. It's
made a difference. I started the first weekend after that inauguration.
I found myself at the container store in suburban Minneapolis,
and I had this cart and I had all these
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like Marie Condo like plastic things because I decided I
was going to reorganize my coffees and teas. And this
stranger comes up the center. I know why you're here,
and I go, well, I just it's Saturday morning. I
just I'm going to organize my kitchen. She goes, no,
you're here because you feel like your life is out
of control in your job in Washington, and you're trying
to control things you're doing. And I went there two
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other times and then I got to work. So the
point is is that we have all been through this.
But the answer when you look at some of these
court decisions, when you look at some of the Republicans
who've been so timid, but when you look at what
they're starting to say on Medicaid, that if you give
up now, it's the worst. The citizens standing up, calling, emailing, yelling.
I mean, it has made a difference. So I just
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I and those quiet voices have at just as much.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I love that. And by the way, I've been to
the container store a few times myself, and perhaps you've
just I thought I was simply organizing, So I think
it's a deeper, deeper reason. You may be right. So
one thing we can control, right, control the controllables. But
let me go back. You talked about this, we sort
of challenge, and I appreciate your point of view on
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this whether or not we're in a constitutional crisis, the
issues around rule of law, but you did imply and
you've been very vocal on this, and I'm really grateful
you've been one of the leading voices keeping the focus
and the attention and not getting distracted on the fundamental
issue of these tariffs, which I personally believe he has
no legal authority. And of course California found a lawsuit
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along those lines, does in other states joining that under
the International Economic Emergency Powers Act. But the question of
the tariffs, it's remarkable to me how you know, it's
still dominant in our lives, but not necessarily in the
media in the last week or so. Back to this
notion of you know, I guess we can get to
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the big beautiful bill, We can get to this notion
of distractions, et cetera. But the impacts you've highlighted the
impacts of these tariffs that continue to this day thirty
percent in China, obviously, tariffs to our big trading partners
north and south, in Canada and in Mexico, but impact
to small businesses, and you've called it out in your
own state, and you're seeing a state of anxiety and
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uncertainty all across the United States? Is that fair or unfair?
Over stated and understated.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Now and it is to me the driving problem right
now with the economics and I want to thank you
for bringing that suit and showing such leadership on this front,
especially with your major economy, the fourth biggest in the.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I'm glad you and the world. Senator, I appreciate her
one point one trillion. We love to brag about that
is like, but watch India. They're right behind us. I
worry a little we may slip.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So when you look at the tariffs, We've always had
targeted terraffs. I've supported some of these, for like with
iron ores mined up in northern Minnesota. And when China
does illegal steel dumping, it's a huge problem. And this
was something Barack Obama put in. Trump continued in the
first administration. Biden continued, but now he has put this
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into across the board tariffs involving some of our closest allies,
our closest allies in the world. In Minnesota, you know,
we can see Canada from our porch like they are
our biggest trading partner. They eclipse the next few together,
and this is very damaging for building materials for homes.
For you look at some of the fertilizer and things
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like that. Our soybean market in China is huge and
while he reduced those tariffs, they're still at an inordinately
high level as opposed to using the clout of the
United States of America, this incredible economy to negotiate more
targeted things, and that is not how he's done things.
And he's pushing China more into the arms of Russia.
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And then China is advertising. You've probably seen their ad
in English to other countries say hey, do business with us,
because we have decided to put these tariffs on countries
like South Korea and Japan and Europe, all of who
have been major major partners for US, yes, in the economy,
but also in security. So the effect small business owner
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a place called busy Baby. My husband thought it was
a lazy baby. I know it's busy Baby. Busy Baby
she started this Entrepreneur of the Year honored by Trump's
Small Business Administration.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Can't make it up, and she can't.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Do her business with these tariffs. Doesn't have the phone
number of the White House. She's not like a major
CEO that can vaultz in there and say, hey, can
we get exception for our products? More power to them, okay,
but she doesn't have ability. She's not invited by the
Treasury Secretary to JP Morgan to go into the meeting
in New York City. She doesn't know what's going to happen.
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So it also creates an inequity in the economy where
these small businesses that have been just incredibly important to
the next big development. I look in Minnesota, Target started
as a dry goods store, and you know three Am
started up in the slow place in Duluth. I mean,
these companies start small lot of the time, and then
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the small we're just messing around without capitalism is what
he's doing. He's trying to do like a controlled economy
from the White House instead of allowing capitalism to unleash
the kind of new ideas that we've seen.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And Centator, you know what's most insidious. And I love
that you brought her up. We had the opportunity to
visit with her on the podcast and she talked about
how she was inspired by her by her newborn and
now she has to look them in the eye and say, honey,
we may not only lose the business, we may lose
our home. Because she's leveraged her home in the mortgage
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to get a line of credit. Because she just made
a deal with you reference Target and Walmart to expand
the business, and now her house is on the line,
not just her business, in her future and looking her
kid in the eyes and having him tell them that
this is It's so important to highlight those stories and
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to highlight that example.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
It's like their roadkill in this thing, because the bigger
companies I'm also concerned about. Honestly, they're a big part
of our economy. We have in Minnesota, like fifteen sixteen
Fortune five hundred companies, and a lot of them do
work overseas, and a lot of ad companies and the like.
But these little companies are just going to be roadkill
because they don't have the margins as you just pointed
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out about this woman leveraging her home, or as I
mentioned the soybean farmer, they already lost a bunch of
their market to Brazil during the last Trump tariffs, and
now they've gone down to like twenty percent of that
total soybean market in China, and now they're going to
go even less. So I just he inherited an economy
that we know there was inflation. We should never embrace
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the status quo. There's so much more we need to do.
I mentioned permitting, housing, childcare, all these things, but he's
now just dragging us the other way. I mean, costs
are up, chaos is up, corruption is up, and sadly
your four oh one k's are down and the economy's down.
And this is just small businesses. I've lost three hundred
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thousand employees since the beginning of the year. This is
just not the direction we should be going.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
No, I appreciate that. I mean, it's been said over
and over again of headlines and the economists headlines and
the Wall Street Journal, the envy of the world, the
United States of America's economy, despite inflation, was beginning to cool,
the economic output, growth, productivity, unemployment for women African Americans,
lowest unemployment in sixty years, and as you suggest, the
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economy now contracting point three percent in Q one. But
I think the most interesting thing and center I'm curious
your take on it is this whole notion on the tariffs.
The predicate on the tariffs was small businesses don't pay,
we don't pay, Walmart doesn't pay. And then out of nowhere,
Trump this week says, wait, hold on, eat the tariffs.
He says to Walmart, which suggests perhaps someone does pay
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on the other side of the border, consumers and or businesses.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Which is it, So it is both, but three thousand
dollars of family annually, it's going to be a tariff tax.
At tariff tax, three thousand dollars strollers twenty five percent
have gone up. So it's like a baby tax, but
if you have a baby, but it's also a family tax.
And so everyone's got to realize what's going on here
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that consumers will pay, but our businesses will pay as well,
and it just sets us back in the rest of
the international economy. We should be building alliances. We should
be the security alliances that we built around standing up
for democracy. In Ukraine, we woke up from this slumber
our I think our country did, woke up from the
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pandemic and said, wait a minute, we got to get
more secure relationships with some of these other countries, and
that also means economic relationships. And he's just taking us backwards.
Hopefully not in Ukraine. I hope that some peace will
come out of this that will work for Ukraine, but
he's certainly taking us back economically and so and the
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one other point you raised, Governor was just this destruction
thing and it's so hard when you hear this because
he does some really bad things, I believe, so that
no one will focus on the other things like bright
shiny object. About a week ago or so, on a Friday,
Stephen Miller brought up works for Trump in the White House,
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brought up a habeas corpus, and so I happened to
be on a Sunday show after that. So he brings
up a habeas corpus and the president has no power
under the Constitution to take away people's rights to contest detention. Okay,
but he brings us up. He knows that. So then
I'm on that Sunday show. So what do I get asked?
On Meet the Press? I get asked about habeas corpus,
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and I finally was able to say what I've always
wanted to say, which is he knows very well the
president can't do that under the Constitution. And Senator Barasso,
who'd been on before me, on the same show it said,
it's not on their agenda. Well it's not. They're not
going to spend weeks on this and it's not going
to pass anyway. With many conservative commentators are against this.
So I said, he brought it up, so you'd ask
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me about it right now instead of asking me about tariffs.
And I think that's a lot of what they do.
And as people who care about our rights and the world,
we have to take stands and make clear where we
stand on this. But we cannot let people get fooled
by them into spending their time screaming at the TV
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and they can't even hear you anyway, or screaming at
a podcast about things that when what really matters right
now is that their budget, which we still have to
get to, is going to take thirteen point seven million
people off of medicaiding their healthcare, or it's going to
raise the costs for twenty million, or that these tariffs
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are going to mess up our entire economy and the
way we do business around the world and send us
pell mell down. And I just think those points is
what matters the most people, And what I just judge
from this crazy place I work in has the most
chance of getting Republicans to say wait a minute, because
we already saw them do it on Canada. Two senators
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bordering Canada, Murkowski and Collins, and then the two of
in Kentucky. You never agree on anything. McConnell and Ran
Paul agreed with Tim Kane and me that there was
no emergency at the Canadian border, and maybe they did
it because of Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't really care why.
I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So let's contextualize. You talk about our kids, you talk
about this tax cut, a tax increase, e seuse me
with the terrorists, which are nothing more than a tax
increase on in a regressive tax that hurts low income
and work in the middle income Americans more than anyone else,
but also attacks generationally as it relates to attacking working
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families in particular in the next generation. But we have
this build back better beautiful, whatever the heck they're calling
in the big beautiful. Bill Trump is on the hill.
Trump was just you may have seen him walk in
the halls just seconds ago.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Senator.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He's out there and he was just out there on
press conference saying that you know, do not and dare
I say, I'll say it. He says he's don't quote
unquote around with medicaid, meaning he completely denies what you
just suggested, that thirteen point seven million people may lose
their medicaid. You suggest Democrats are suggesting that's not the case.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So this bill is truly a betrayal of the middle class.
There are so many things he could have done right.
He could have increased taxes on billionaires in the biggest corporations.
Even you do a one point every ten years brings
in one hundred and fifty billion dollars on corporate tax
and he could have gotten us to like a middle
ground on that. He didn't do any of that. Instead,
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they added more tax cuts for the wealthiest and then
to pay for it, that's why we call it the
billionaire budget. To pay for it. This is what they're
looking at, thirteen point seven million people off Medicaid. He
may have said that in that session to them, but
they just are voting out of the Committee on the
Budget that there is no other way, according to the
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Congressional Budget Office, that you can get to that point
with where their cuts are.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Center just on that point, because I think it's so important.
I mean, I bring that up because it's so infuriating,
it's so in Orwellian, it's such an extraordinary statement. I mean,
three point we estimate, just to put in perspective in California,
and we're we're going to sort of put out detailed plans,
detailed analysis on this tomorrow. But three point four million
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folks will be impacted through our medical our medicaid, just
in California alone. The impacts across the spectrum, from issues
around plant Barrenot, the impacts on our hospitals, not just
rural hospitals, but hospital fees we referred to as this
MCO tax, all of these other components that they have
promoted and are poise to now approve. The devastation is
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actually outsized, profound and extraordinary. Will also increase the national
debt by a minimum of three point three trillion dollars.
Talk about saddling the next generation.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So we do.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Tax cuts to people literally who not are even asking
for it, multi billionaires, centennial billionaires, not just wealthy corporations
that rarely even pay that minimum tax. But tell me,
sanity is being taxed right now? What the hell do
we do? What is the Senate going to do? How
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can you stop this? And how do we focus again
to your point on not getting distracted by these intentional distractions.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So we need to fight this in every way, and
I think that one it has to pass the House.
We'll see they have fights with their hardliners on exactly
what you raise for good reasons on the dat and
then it's by the way, it's not just the healthcare cuts,
it's the snap cuts. They want to put that over
on your budget and on Minnesota's budget. I saw that
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on how they do it. If they're at ten percent
or wherever they are on the cuts over to state budgets,
Texas alone would be like five hundred million dollars, and
forty of the fifty states have balanced budgets amendments, so
they can't even add this while grocery prices are going up,
energy prices up, all of these things. So that's what
they're looking at to pay for these billionaire taxes. So
if they pass this, which it's still very unclear, but
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if they do this on a party line Republican vote
in the House comes over to the Senate. We need
fifty one votes in the Senate, and the Senators have
been very different on this. Some of the Republicans. First
of all, they're not going to get every single one.
But then you have people like Grassley. I know he's
in his nineties, but he said just in the hallway yesterday,
I love this. We need a redo, need a redo.
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That's his nice Midwestern way of saying, no, they're not
going to accept this as the way it is. I
think he was referring to the three hundred billion dollars
in the snap cuts and some of the other things.
The Senate Republicans had suggested one billion it cuts. So
there's going to be a lot of this, and this
is going to be the moment, I would hope, because
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Democrats are going to be united against this thing, and
we will be doing everything to force votes and push
them on it. But it is a time where people
are going to stand up because he is really focused
on this, and there's a bunch of Republicans in the Senate,
including Josh Holly of all things, who have basically said
on medicaid, I'm not going to do this and we're
(29:29):
not going to do these kinds of cuts as of
other And all it takes is four of them, by
the way, four of them to stand up in the
House against this. So when people get mad, I don't
blame them. They get mad about things and how they are,
and they're mad at Democrats. They got to look at this.
It takes only four of them in the House, and
four of them in the Senate. If only three of
them stand up, then good old JD. Vance can come
(29:52):
over and break the tie. But if four of them
stand up, then they can't pass it. And so that's
what the numbers are in the Senate and in the House.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So and look, I appreciate that the point you're making
that we still have agency, we're not by standards as
it relates to this, and we could still save the future.
But that said, we heard over and over and over
again today, yesterday, this last week, failure for these guys
is not an option. And of course Trump's showing up
(30:22):
today on the hill making that point only reinforces symbolically
and substantively what's at stake for the speaker, and ultimately
we'll be at stake for this country. But what I
mean this notion of waste, fraud and abuse, This idea
that you're not cutting thirteen point seven million people off
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of Medicaid, that you're just asking them to work. Senator,
you're just asking them to reapply every six months, not
every year. It's hardly draconian, and it really is about waste,
fraud and abuse. How do you counter that narrative? How
how do we counter that message of that talking point
coming from these folks.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So we're happy to work with them on actual ways.
Fraud and abuse always have. I'm always into looking at
reforms and what we can do better. But when you
look at medicaid, half of the people in nursing homes
are on Medicaid. Okay, you've got this population tends to
be the vast majority of them are kids, they're people
(31:25):
with disabilities, they're veterans, right, and they're seniors' older people.
So you've got to look at the population you're dealing
with for both the SNAP programs and Medicaid in terms
of what you're talking about when you talk about making
it harder to apply or creating more red tape in
the like. So this is I think Trump has some
(31:47):
notion that this isn't very popular. That's why he keeps
saying he doesn't want to cut Medicaid. I think that
should be the proof point that maybe their argument isn't working.
The other proof point, by the way, when it comes
to economics, here is only thirty seven percent that is
very close to the magabase. Only thirty seven percent people
think he's handling the economy well, a number that I'm
(32:10):
hot off the press. Sharing with our caucus today is
that when people are asked, well, what do you think
we should do to make the budget better and balance
you get to a better thing with the deficit, only
fourteen percent of them said cut healthcare and cut nutrition
those things. Sixty eight percent said tax the billionaires and
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the wealthiest more in order to make sure that people
aren't hurt by this. So I think they're in a
very bad place here, and you've got the midterms coming
around the corner. You've got they know this. This is
why you're starting to see some of the Republicans stand up.
I'm not being a Pollyanna. I'm just looking at the map.
I'm looking at the numbers. And so the key is
(32:51):
that despite the despair of what he tries to make,
people just feel like nothing is good when they look
at politics. Despite all that, you got to look at
some of the things that are going on in the States,
like your lawsuit on the terraffs. You got to look
at the fact that people of our country are going
to work every day, working hard despite all this, and
looking out for each other and looking out for their neighbors.
(33:13):
That this is still happening in America, no matter what
he says, or what he does every morning, or what
he posts on social media, and that we as a
country have to keep standing up to this because it's
either some of it's worked in court, so we fight
it in the courts, we fight it in Congress, and
this is going to be the big test. Are those
four Republicans going to stand up and we're going to
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make them vote on a bunch of stuff in the meantime.
And then the third thing is our constituents. And that's
just my plea to everyone that you've engaged so many
people with this podcast. It's incredible that they remember that.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I appreciate, and I also just appreciate the essential nature
of this moment, just focusing on this tax bill and
focusing on the tariffs and doing our best over the
course the next few weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Talking about the fact that the Timber will beat the
Lakers and the Golden State.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Had to do that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Really you had to get into that. I mean, there
wasn't much time left, but I thought I might might
raise that.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
We made it almost through an entire podcast without that,
I mean, I won't even bring up the last.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And then I thought I did, so just let me
briefly in the spirit back to this. But for us,
it's very serious. I know journey continues.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I got two kids that are still in bed, they
have not recovered, so I understand, trust me, how serious
this stuff is. I also understand how serious these the anxiety.
And I just want to get to three quick topics
with you. Where and I'll just jump right in. Where
the hell is Elon Musk? What happened to him? What's
your assessment of everything that has happened the last few weeks?
(34:54):
Fire and fury signifying something nothing.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Don't trying to get Tesla back and doing his job.
I just was just the way I was in Wisconsin,
by the way, on that Supreme Court situation there, and
you know, not with him with the chiefs head, but
I was there and I just saw how people reacted
(35:18):
to that. And they care about their own state and
their own judicial system. They don't like that this billionaire
is coming over to Green Bay, and I think that
the way he handled that. There are ways, and you
know this, to make changes in state or federal government.
You've got to look at agencies just like any business
person would do. What things, what line of business isn't working.
(35:39):
What do I want to change? How do I want
to do it? And boy, I want to keep some
of my new vigorous employees instead of firing everyone that's
just been there less than two years. That may be
the dumbest thing. And I want to keep veterinarians at USDA.
I want to keep cancer researchers. I don't want to
turn off all these great employees. They are the key
to this of making all this work so we can
(35:59):
get meta devices approved. And the way they handled everything
was just this slash and burn approach, which then turns
off other people that they didn't even fire. That makes
them want to leave in pretty soon, who's going to
be looking at the electric grid? So this is going
to affect the economy with how he's handled this. There
are things that they could do and can do to
look at this in a rational way. And that's what
(36:23):
I think why he became just such a burden on
everything because of the way he went up, not necessarily
the idea of reform. People don't want to own the
status quo. They want to see changes to the government.
It's just how he did it and how he mocked
these people. Many of whom have devoted their lives to
(36:43):
doing work that Not everyone wants to go out and
fight fires all the time, right, Not everyone is putting
themselves in the line or looking at these doing the
kind of research that you need. They're not going to
sit in a lab all day. But there are some
devoted Americans that do that every day, and he's making
them want to go work somewhere else. So I think
that's what happened, and that's why he's back and hopefully
gets Tesla back on track.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah. No, And as someone that's invested as a taxpayer,
not just as an elected official supporting the growth of
the alternative vehicle industry, I appreciate the sentiments about Tesla
because of the energy and entrepreneurialism that defines that company,
at least has in the past, and our ability to
(37:25):
compete for the future. You make a point about the
issue of Snap and the cuts to food and food security.
By the way, Trump made another Orwellian comment today in
his press conference around the food cuts, around the Snap cuts,
saying it will actually lower the cost of food. Only
Trump could actually assert that, as he went on to
(37:47):
say something about the cost of eggs, but also there's
a part of the three legged stool of what they're
also assaulted we didn't bring up, which is on the
green energy side, and the fact that we will quite literally,
you talk about the future, and I appreciate you brought
it up center four or five times. Wasn't lost on me.
You talked about that formula for success. You talked about
the research and development. You talked about, you know, the
(38:10):
foundations of what make this country great and how we
built the world's largest middle class. It's because we had
a formula for success and academic freedom, in investments in
science and health and discovery, and entrepreneurial is the ability
to get the first round draft choices around the rest
of the world, the best and the brightest to come
to America, and rules for risk taking but not recklessness.
(38:33):
You talk about the importance of permitting reform and addressing
aspects of what Ezra Client has referred to as the
abundance agenda, which I completely embraced in Democrats. We need
to own that and we need to own up to
our own performance. But I want to just briefly talk
about something if I'm a senator that is very personal
to you and personal to all of us, but more
(38:56):
personal to you because I've been struck by your own
history with your family, your own personal health obviously now
President Biden's health, and it's so topical this week. I
saw you on the Sunday shows, and I don't want
to necessarily get to the past per se. We're gonna
have plenty of time, and on this podcast we'll talk
(39:16):
a lot more about the past, but in relationship to
the present and the future, just your relationship with President
Biden and his relationship to this moment as it relates
to this advanced prostate cancer right.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Exactly, So when you think about it was the cancer moonshot.
When you go back to Biden after he lost his son,
who I know you knew, and him and it was
something that of course changed his whole life. And I
was there when President Obama signed that bill because I
had some things in there on eating disorders, of the
(39:50):
things that we passed that we got in that bill,
and also some of the work on cancer. And I
remember President Biden was Vice president at the time, standing
by Obama's side when he signed that bill into law.
That research at NIH and the like has continued with
bipartisan support for eleven years in a row, increasing research
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and now, as you know, a lot of the works
in your state, some of it's in mind with the
Mayo Clinic and the University of Minnesota, and just kind
of the incredible moment we're at. We've mapped the human genome.
Now we're moving into personalized medicine and the use of AI,
if harnessed and put the right rules in place, is
going to take our country to this level of leadership.
(40:33):
But to do it, you need, yes, some rules in place.
And when Elon Moss says that there should be some
rules on an AI, maybe we should listen to them. Secondly,
and Congress needs to act. Secondly, we need to keep
supporting this research and the fact that these attacks on
these universities, and I'm so glad they're joining forces now
because that's one thing all people listen to your podcasts
(40:56):
have got to think about when you join forces and
you're not alone being attacked. It's worked better for journalists,
for law firms, you name it. So that idea that
we could continue this research at this moment and get
continue to get in the workers that can do the research.
With legal immigration reform and the like to augment the
(41:16):
people we have heard that to me is our golden
moment into a sun California sunshine thing where we can
really go to this next level of our economy. And
that's one of the saddest things about what's going on
when I've heard in your own state and in mind
about research projects that could be brought to places like Australia,
(41:38):
because they just they don't know if they're going to
have the certainty of doing them here right at this
moment where this technology and know how is reaching this
pinnacle where America has like kind of our next great
breakthroughs with rare diseases which we never thought were possible
to solve. And in my case, yes, the breast cancer
(41:59):
that gets like they detect it. You have a simple epectomy,
you've got radiation in five days, and you don't miss
a vote, and you literally get back on a commercial
flight or back for that vote and never miss anything.
I don't say that's perfect for most people, but what
I say is that these advancements has allowed our economy
(42:19):
to function and been a leader, and we don't want
to move back on that. And I know that was
something President Biden cared about. I know something you're voted too.
But the point is is that Trump, we still could
go in the right direction, but he's got to stop
this assault on the things that are literally the innovation
that's key to America's economy. We want to be a
(42:41):
country that makes up, invents things and exports to the
World Center.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Just in closing, do you you know and I appreciate
I think this notion of an economic vision, the journey
that everyone can be on together and they see, they
feel seen and included in that is critical for the
Democrats and our comeback, And not just as it relates
to the mid terms, but even beyond, where are you
(43:06):
on sort of the spectrum of reflecting on where our
party is, where was, where we are today, and where
we're going, and just sort of three or four things
that you think we should be doing more of right
now in order to get back where I think the
American people, the majority of them, I believe, want us
(43:27):
to be.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, I think we can't be stuck in the status
quo of the past. And just because Trump is going
on this all out assault doesn't mean that our answer
is no, we like everything the way it was. That's
not where the American people are. That's not where we
should be. So that's the first thing, in addition to
focusing on the economic mistakes he's making and the assault
on people's basically their right to pursue opportunities by making
(43:53):
it harder and harder for them and small businesses. We
have got to have our own agenda. That's first thing.
The second thing is we shouldn't just go where it's comfortable.
We should go where it's uncomfortable. You know, I visit
all eighty seven counties in my state every single year.
Just came back from a nineteen county tour in rural
Minnesota and go to other parts of the country as
(44:14):
well that are more rural. I just think listening to
people because they're on the first line that's getting attacked
by these tariffs and the light and making sure that
we have an agenda that works for them. The third thing,
bring down costs. Bring down costs, bring down costs. That's
going to mean more housing and getting through some of
this permitting muck, and that's part of the whole abundance.
(44:35):
As reclient agenda childcare, there's incredible public private partnerships that
we could engage in bringing down health care costs, being
willing to look at that in a different way, take
on these pharmaceutical prices. I've let that bail. And then
just remembering that there's more that unites us that divides us,
and trying through all of this muck to remember these
(44:58):
hard working Americans. Sure saught with your firefighters and their
grit and with all the people in your state, and
we see it all over the country. To have that
motivate us every day, and that way, you kind of
make what he's doing small, because you're going to be
bigger than that. And speaking of which, I have to
go to our democratic lunch. I wish, I bet you
(45:20):
wish you could take the podcast in there. Yeah, but
they all have to.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Say your little town hall. I love it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Oh yeah, people have. Well.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Wish you all the luck in this remarkable moment. But
I'm grateful you took these moments to share your thoughts,
your wisdom, your insight, and congratulations again on getting that
bill to the President's desk and sign, and thank you
for all you actually all you do for all of
us every single day in ways seen and unseen. Center
Klob char thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Thanks it was great being on. Thank you thank you
Speaker 1 (46:00):
End then
This is Gavin Newsom and this is Senator Amy Klobuchart.
First of all, I'm really happy that you're here because
I want folks to appreciate Senator Klobuchart, the fact that
you are one of the most productive. You're the face
of productivity, a politician that not only gets relative okay,
(00:32):
it gets things done. I mean it is remarkable. You
look at at so many people in the Senate and
you just you feel like, you know, it's a club,
and obviously it's it's you know, it's there's a lot
of status, but you're often not necessarily affirmed that there's
a lot of progress being made, but you are able
to lay claim to a lot of progress, including just yesterday,
(00:54):
President Trump signed a bill to Take it Down Act,
a bipartisan bill that you and Ted CRU's co sponsor
tell me more about it.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So this came out of which I know you're familiar
with all this, but just what's going on in the
internet right now where there's no rules and you've got
a non consensual and AI created porn and one year,
this is FBI stats, or over twenty suicides of kids
they are courting a girlfriend or a boyfriend. They send
a photo and then that photo goes all over their
(01:26):
schools or there's some kind of threat or you know,
asking for money, and they think their life is over
and they actually take their own lives. So Center Cruise
and I he is the chair of the Commerce Committee
right now, we joined forces and introduced this bill called
the Take It Down Act. It simply says the platforms
have to take down these images non consential images in
(01:50):
forty eight hours and then creates criminal liability on the
people that put them on or extends criminal liability. So
we got that through the Senate, but then we were
stopped at the end of the year. It was part
of a bigger bill. And at the inaugural lunch, as
you're aware of, Governor, I cheered the inauguration something I
took on before we knew who won. And I brought
(02:12):
up to the President and the First Lady this bill
and I said, this is a bill that you know
would fit in First Lady with some of the work
you're doing. And three days later her office called ours
and then she really helped to get it through the
House and it got signed into law.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So I love that, I mean. And so a couple
of things just to reflect on. And I want to
go back to the inaugural because people were I think
a lot of folks wondering why is Senator Klobahark kicking
off the inaugural festivities? And we'll talk about your unique
role in that respect, but how about just the role
of bipartisanship, the role you played and the role it
sounds like the first lady played, but also Senator Cruz,
(02:52):
is it? I mean this is an anomalous Is this
something to be hopeful about? Is this one off?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
What's your sense is there was there incentives for good behavior?
Have you gotten criticized for working on the other side?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I think, first of all, I've always believed in working
with people you don't always agree with. That courage isn't
just standing by yourself courages whether you're going to stand
next to someone you don't always agree with for the
betterment of this country. And I have done that in
the Senate, working with everyone from Josh Holly on antitrust
issues to Chuck Grassly on biofuels. I mean, you could
(03:29):
just go on. And however, I do think the president
of this incident aside where we were able to work
on this bill with him when the rhetoric and the
things that are said makes it harder to function and
bipartisan because he will go after people if they don't
do exactly what he wants, and it's all part of
(03:50):
how he's doing this. So you know, in this case,
I guess we got an exception. They like this bill,
but I do think it makes it harder. And my
goal in life is to do what best for the country,
And as you know, sometimes you take grief when you
work with people or take positions that not everyone agrees with.
But I do think that we need more of that,
(04:11):
not less of it when it comes to governing right now.
So I'm glad the bill got passed into law. I
continue to, like most many Americans, you know, wake up
every day and think, what did he do? Now? He
just fired the Congressional Library, and he's getting these medicaid cuts,
He's moving us backwards on clean energy, all these things
(04:32):
that I think that actually gives our country a cutting
edge medical research we should be moving forward. So but
despite all that, I will continue to do what I
think is best and if there's a way to do
things from permitting reform on where we can get things
moving better. I'm game to working with Republicans.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Love all that, and I want to touch on all
those things. But let me go back just a little
bit to the origin story on how you were able
to sort of smooth this bill over. I love that
you said it was that a lunch and it was
just engaging on the personal where the first lady actually
followed up took you. It took very seriously your request
to engage a few days later. But let's take us
(05:12):
back to that inaugural. I mean that that's an interesting aside,
but what was the most striking part of that You
were there. You're the chair of a joint committee, a
bipartisan committee in Congress. That's related to the inaugural. Maybe
you could talk a little bit about that role. But
that role led you to give a little speech remarks
about enduring democracy, etc. I'm curious, So what enduring memories
(05:35):
do you have around those Inhugro facilities can't.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Reveal it all and your podcasts have to save some
of it. But you know, it started out in the
White House and I with everyone with the president at
the time, President Biden and Vice President Harris, and then
of course the Vances and the Trumps, the speaker of
the House, Center Schumer, you name it. So everyone's there,
(06:00):
and then we divide into cars. And this is a tradition.
And I will still go down in American history as
the only person who has ever ridden in a car
alone with Donald Trump and Joe Biden for about twenty
minutes one day. I'll reveal that conversation was quite talkative.
I brought up the fires in California. You will say
(06:23):
that that was one of my plans to do because
I knew that that President Trump was going out there
and President Biden had been there. So I thought, okay,
here's a common ground moment with the firefighters and the like.
And we talked about many other things as well, and
it was a very vibrant conversation. And then I spent
(06:44):
the day the inauguration and the like, and it's ends
with the ended with that lunch. But I had my
four minutes, and I decided I wrote every word myself,
and I said, I want this to meet the test
of time, because I knew what was coming at us,
the assault on the rule of law, the economic uncertainty,
(07:05):
and so what I said were these three things Number one.
Our democracy is a hot mess. It always has been,
but it's our democracy, and you know we must be
as leaders. And I meant every person in their own
neighborhood or whatever they do, we've got to be the
shelter in the storm and protect that democracy. Now that's
a Bob Dylan quote. Kevin, he is from Minnesota and
(07:27):
just a little Hollywood moment. I like to complete unknown.
I thought it should have won the Academy Award. I'm
going to weigh in on that right now. Okay, But
I didn't say that at the inauguration. Okay, I did
say that reats regrets or yeah. Secondly, that that presidential inauguration.
In other countries, it's held in a presidential palace or
executive office building. In our country, it's held in the
(07:50):
People's House for a reason, and that's because we have
three equal branches of government under the Constitution. And all
nine justices were there, maybe a show of for not
all there, they all aresvp'ed. When it was outside. I
knew the list, and we had the Congress there, and
we're still waiting for some of the Republicans in Congress
to stand up. We only need four of them to
(08:13):
stand up against say Medicaid cuts. The third thing and
final thing was just that the power in that rotunda,
despite all the billionaires that were in there, it did
not come from in that rotunda, from a freshman member
of Congress to the President of the United States. It
came from outside of the rotunda. And to me, when
you see people standing up, yes, activists, people who are angry,
(08:34):
but you also see the quiet voices now of farmers,
soybean farmers in the middle of Minnesota who show up
at a town hall find themselves seated next to a
woman who's holding a sign I was there this happened
that says this is not normal, looks at her, which
is a common sign people are holding now in rallies Democrats,
and he says to her, what do you mean by that?
(08:54):
And she said, well, this isn't normal. What's happening. Well,
I'm normal, she goes, No, I know you're normal. But
the reason I raise that story is the quiet voices,
the people that don't usually show up. The fact that
they're standing up right now and feel like they must
talk to their governor or their senator, or their mayor
or their congress member. That matters, and We've got to
(09:16):
keep that part of democracy alive and strong.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I love that. And look, you talk about this notion
of co equal branches, the government, popular sovereignty, the rule
of law, the best of Roman republic and Greek democracy
and founding fathers vision being tested, the rule of law,
this notion of the constitutional crisis that some have attached
at least as a tagline to this moment. What's your
(09:43):
over under? I mean, where do you think we are
on the basis of that speech, This notion of it
enduring democracy have been vandalized even more acutely than you
had even imagined one hundred plus days ago.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yes, and it's not like we didn't expect bad things
to happen, given who some of the nominees were for
some of the justice jobs, given that we had seen
what he'd done before. In certainly January sixth, I also
was there with President Biden and Roy Blunt when that
all happened. The day of January sixth was, you know,
(10:16):
Mike Pence and me and Blunt walking down that pathway
to the house, walking over broken glass at three in
the morning, with the last of the electoral ballots, including
California's in that box. So I knew that, and then
we were with Biden on the stage that aside. I
didn't predict they would go this far with you know,
(10:37):
just dismantling usaid, dismantling people's hopes and dreams, with all
kinds of cuts and things they've done on cancer research
and the like. Their willingness to even just take on
independent bodies like the Consumer Protection Agency, which we called
one hundred and fifty million bad products and saved Americans
(10:59):
from lead pois and dangerous pool drains and the like.
Just their willingness and the president's willingness to bully people
and whether it's journalists or universities, and then the other
flip side of it, now I'm going to get to
my silver lining here, is just that the courts have
been standing up over two hundred times with judges appointed
(11:22):
by Bush and by Trump himself and by Reagan. I
didn't even know those judges were still out there, but
they are. They and they, along with the Democratic appointed judges,
have been making courageous decisions. So that is a pushback.
So that's why some people say we're in a crisis.
I'm just a little more saying when I look at
the Civil War. Okay, that was that was a constitutional crisis.
(11:44):
To me, we're in a starting to be in an
economic crisis if this continues, but we are closer to
a constitutional crisis. But to me, it hasn't arrived yet
because of what the judges doing their jobs. The fact
that while they are defying the administration is defying some
of these rulings for sure, and where that is going
to be decided in the near future. They are following
(12:06):
some of them. They just seem to pick and choose
which ones they don't like. So all of that it
doesn't make it feel better, but it makes it to
me like you just can't give up the fight. It's
made a difference. I started the first weekend after that inauguration.
I found myself at the container store in suburban Minneapolis,
and I had this cart and I had all these
(12:28):
like Marie Condo like plastic things because I decided I
was going to reorganize my coffees and teas. And this
stranger comes up the center. I know why you're here,
and I go, well, I just it's Saturday morning. I
just I'm going to organize my kitchen. She goes, no,
you're here because you feel like your life is out
of control in your job in Washington, and you're trying
to control things you're doing. And I went there two
(12:50):
other times and then I got to work. So the
point is is that we have all been through this.
But the answer when you look at some of these
court decisions, when you look at some of the Republicans
who've been so timid, but when you look at what
they're starting to say on Medicaid, that if you give
up now, it's the worst. The citizens standing up, calling, emailing, yelling.
I mean, it has made a difference. So I just
(13:12):
I and those quiet voices have at just as much.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I love that. And by the way, I've been to
the container store a few times myself, and perhaps you've
just I thought I was simply organizing, So I think
it's a deeper, deeper reason. You may be right. So
one thing we can control, right, control the controllables. But
let me go back. You talked about this, we sort
of challenge, and I appreciate your point of view on
(13:36):
this whether or not we're in a constitutional crisis, the
issues around rule of law, but you did imply and
you've been very vocal on this, and I'm really grateful
you've been one of the leading voices keeping the focus
and the attention and not getting distracted on the fundamental
issue of these tariffs, which I personally believe he has
no legal authority. And of course California found a lawsuit
(13:59):
along those lines, does in other states joining that under
the International Economic Emergency Powers Act. But the question of
the tariffs, it's remarkable to me how you know, it's
still dominant in our lives, but not necessarily in the
media in the last week or so. Back to this
notion of you know, I guess we can get to
(14:20):
the big beautiful bill, We can get to this notion
of distractions, et cetera. But the impacts you've highlighted the
impacts of these tariffs that continue to this day thirty
percent in China, obviously, tariffs to our big trading partners
north and south, in Canada and in Mexico, but impact
to small businesses, and you've called it out in your
own state, and you're seeing a state of anxiety and
(14:43):
uncertainty all across the United States? Is that fair or unfair?
Over stated and understated.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Now and it is to me the driving problem right
now with the economics and I want to thank you
for bringing that suit and showing such leadership on this front,
especially with your major economy, the fourth biggest in the.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I'm glad you and the world. Senator, I appreciate her
one point one trillion. We love to brag about that
is like, but watch India. They're right behind us. I
worry a little we may slip.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So when you look at the tariffs, We've always had
targeted terraffs. I've supported some of these, for like with
iron ores mined up in northern Minnesota. And when China
does illegal steel dumping, it's a huge problem. And this
was something Barack Obama put in. Trump continued in the
first administration. Biden continued, but now he has put this
(15:36):
into across the board tariffs involving some of our closest allies,
our closest allies in the world. In Minnesota, you know,
we can see Canada from our porch like they are
our biggest trading partner. They eclipse the next few together,
and this is very damaging for building materials for homes.
For you look at some of the fertilizer and things
(15:59):
like that. Our soybean market in China is huge and
while he reduced those tariffs, they're still at an inordinately
high level as opposed to using the clout of the
United States of America, this incredible economy to negotiate more
targeted things, and that is not how he's done things.
And he's pushing China more into the arms of Russia.
(16:21):
And then China is advertising. You've probably seen their ad
in English to other countries say hey, do business with us,
because we have decided to put these tariffs on countries
like South Korea and Japan and Europe, all of who
have been major major partners for US, yes, in the economy,
but also in security. So the effect small business owner
(16:43):
a place called busy Baby. My husband thought it was
a lazy baby. I know it's busy Baby. Busy Baby
she started this Entrepreneur of the Year honored by Trump's
Small Business Administration.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Can't make it up, and she can't.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Do her business with these tariffs. Doesn't have the phone
number of the White House. She's not like a major
CEO that can vaultz in there and say, hey, can
we get exception for our products? More power to them, okay,
but she doesn't have ability. She's not invited by the
Treasury Secretary to JP Morgan to go into the meeting
in New York City. She doesn't know what's going to happen.
(17:18):
So it also creates an inequity in the economy where
these small businesses that have been just incredibly important to
the next big development. I look in Minnesota, Target started
as a dry goods store, and you know three Am
started up in the slow place in Duluth. I mean,
these companies start small lot of the time, and then
(17:40):
the small we're just messing around without capitalism is what
he's doing. He's trying to do like a controlled economy
from the White House instead of allowing capitalism to unleash
the kind of new ideas that we've seen.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And Centator, you know what's most insidious. And I love
that you brought her up. We had the opportunity to
visit with her on the podcast and she talked about
how she was inspired by her by her newborn and
now she has to look them in the eye and say, honey,
we may not only lose the business, we may lose
our home. Because she's leveraged her home in the mortgage
(18:22):
to get a line of credit. Because she just made
a deal with you reference Target and Walmart to expand
the business, and now her house is on the line,
not just her business, in her future and looking her
kid in the eyes and having him tell them that
this is It's so important to highlight those stories and
(18:43):
to highlight that example.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
It's like their roadkill in this thing, because the bigger
companies I'm also concerned about. Honestly, they're a big part
of our economy. We have in Minnesota, like fifteen sixteen
Fortune five hundred companies, and a lot of them do
work overseas, and a lot of ad companies and the like.
But these little companies are just going to be roadkill
because they don't have the margins as you just pointed
(19:07):
out about this woman leveraging her home, or as I
mentioned the soybean farmer, they already lost a bunch of
their market to Brazil during the last Trump tariffs, and
now they've gone down to like twenty percent of that
total soybean market in China, and now they're going to
go even less. So I just he inherited an economy
that we know there was inflation. We should never embrace
(19:30):
the status quo. There's so much more we need to do.
I mentioned permitting, housing, childcare, all these things, but he's
now just dragging us the other way. I mean, costs
are up, chaos is up, corruption is up, and sadly
your four oh one k's are down and the economy's down.
And this is just small businesses. I've lost three hundred
(19:52):
thousand employees since the beginning of the year. This is
just not the direction we should be going.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
No, I appreciate that. I mean, it's been said over
and over again of headlines and the economists headlines and
the Wall Street Journal, the envy of the world, the
United States of America's economy, despite inflation, was beginning to cool,
the economic output, growth, productivity, unemployment for women African Americans,
lowest unemployment in sixty years, and as you suggest, the
(20:20):
economy now contracting point three percent in Q one. But
I think the most interesting thing and center I'm curious
your take on it is this whole notion on the tariffs.
The predicate on the tariffs was small businesses don't pay,
we don't pay, Walmart doesn't pay. And then out of nowhere,
Trump this week says, wait, hold on, eat the tariffs.
He says to Walmart, which suggests perhaps someone does pay
(20:44):
on the other side of the border, consumers and or businesses.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Which is it, So it is both, but three thousand
dollars of family annually, it's going to be a tariff tax.
At tariff tax, three thousand dollars strollers twenty five percent
have gone up. So it's like a baby tax, but
if you have a baby, but it's also a family tax.
And so everyone's got to realize what's going on here
(21:11):
that consumers will pay, but our businesses will pay as well,
and it just sets us back in the rest of
the international economy. We should be building alliances. We should
be the security alliances that we built around standing up
for democracy. In Ukraine, we woke up from this slumber
our I think our country did, woke up from the
(21:33):
pandemic and said, wait a minute, we got to get
more secure relationships with some of these other countries, and
that also means economic relationships. And he's just taking us backwards.
Hopefully not in Ukraine. I hope that some peace will
come out of this that will work for Ukraine, but
he's certainly taking us back economically and so and the
(21:53):
one other point you raised, Governor was just this destruction
thing and it's so hard when you hear this because
he does some really bad things, I believe, so that
no one will focus on the other things like bright
shiny object. About a week ago or so, on a Friday,
Stephen Miller brought up works for Trump in the White House,
(22:14):
brought up a habeas corpus, and so I happened to
be on a Sunday show after that. So he brings
up a habeas corpus and the president has no power
under the Constitution to take away people's rights to contest detention. Okay,
but he brings us up. He knows that. So then
I'm on that Sunday show. So what do I get asked?
On Meet the Press? I get asked about habeas corpus,
(22:36):
and I finally was able to say what I've always
wanted to say, which is he knows very well the
president can't do that under the Constitution. And Senator Barasso,
who'd been on before me, on the same show it said,
it's not on their agenda. Well it's not. They're not
going to spend weeks on this and it's not going
to pass anyway. With many conservative commentators are against this.
So I said, he brought it up, so you'd ask
(22:57):
me about it right now instead of asking me about tariffs.
And I think that's a lot of what they do.
And as people who care about our rights and the world,
we have to take stands and make clear where we
stand on this. But we cannot let people get fooled
by them into spending their time screaming at the TV
(23:18):
and they can't even hear you anyway, or screaming at
a podcast about things that when what really matters right
now is that their budget, which we still have to
get to, is going to take thirteen point seven million
people off of medicaiding their healthcare, or it's going to
raise the costs for twenty million, or that these tariffs
(23:38):
are going to mess up our entire economy and the
way we do business around the world and send us
pell mell down. And I just think those points is
what matters the most people, And what I just judge
from this crazy place I work in has the most
chance of getting Republicans to say wait a minute, because
we already saw them do it on Canada. Two senators
(24:00):
bordering Canada, Murkowski and Collins, and then the two of
in Kentucky. You never agree on anything. McConnell and Ran
Paul agreed with Tim Kane and me that there was
no emergency at the Canadian border, and maybe they did
it because of Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't really care why.
I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So let's contextualize. You talk about our kids, you talk
about this tax cut, a tax increase, e seuse me
with the terrorists, which are nothing more than a tax
increase on in a regressive tax that hurts low income
and work in the middle income Americans more than anyone else,
but also attacks generationally as it relates to attacking working
(24:39):
families in particular in the next generation. But we have
this build back better beautiful, whatever the heck they're calling
in the big beautiful. Bill Trump is on the hill.
Trump was just you may have seen him walk in
the halls just seconds ago.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Senator.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He's out there and he was just out there on
press conference saying that you know, do not and dare
I say, I'll say it. He says he's don't quote
unquote around with medicaid, meaning he completely denies what you
just suggested, that thirteen point seven million people may lose
their medicaid. You suggest Democrats are suggesting that's not the case.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So this bill is truly a betrayal of the middle class.
There are so many things he could have done right.
He could have increased taxes on billionaires in the biggest corporations.
Even you do a one point every ten years brings
in one hundred and fifty billion dollars on corporate tax
and he could have gotten us to like a middle
ground on that. He didn't do any of that. Instead,
(25:39):
they added more tax cuts for the wealthiest and then
to pay for it, that's why we call it the
billionaire budget. To pay for it. This is what they're
looking at, thirteen point seven million people off Medicaid. He
may have said that in that session to them, but
they just are voting out of the Committee on the
Budget that there is no other way, according to the
(26:01):
Congressional Budget Office, that you can get to that point
with where their cuts are.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Center just on that point, because I think it's so important.
I mean, I bring that up because it's so infuriating,
it's so in Orwellian, it's such an extraordinary statement. I mean,
three point we estimate, just to put in perspective in California,
and we're we're going to sort of put out detailed plans,
detailed analysis on this tomorrow. But three point four million
(26:32):
folks will be impacted through our medical our medicaid, just
in California alone. The impacts across the spectrum, from issues
around plant Barrenot, the impacts on our hospitals, not just
rural hospitals, but hospital fees we referred to as this
MCO tax, all of these other components that they have
promoted and are poise to now approve. The devastation is
(26:56):
actually outsized, profound and extraordinary. Will also increase the national
debt by a minimum of three point three trillion dollars.
Talk about saddling the next generation.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So we do.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Tax cuts to people literally who not are even asking
for it, multi billionaires, centennial billionaires, not just wealthy corporations
that rarely even pay that minimum tax. But tell me,
sanity is being taxed right now? What the hell do
we do? What is the Senate going to do? How
(27:29):
can you stop this? And how do we focus again
to your point on not getting distracted by these intentional distractions.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So we need to fight this in every way, and
I think that one it has to pass the House.
We'll see they have fights with their hardliners on exactly
what you raise for good reasons on the dat and
then it's by the way, it's not just the healthcare cuts,
it's the snap cuts. They want to put that over
on your budget and on Minnesota's budget. I saw that
(28:00):
on how they do it. If they're at ten percent
or wherever they are on the cuts over to state budgets,
Texas alone would be like five hundred million dollars, and
forty of the fifty states have balanced budgets amendments, so
they can't even add this while grocery prices are going up,
energy prices up, all of these things. So that's what
they're looking at to pay for these billionaire taxes. So
if they pass this, which it's still very unclear, but
(28:23):
if they do this on a party line Republican vote
in the House comes over to the Senate. We need
fifty one votes in the Senate, and the Senators have
been very different on this. Some of the Republicans. First
of all, they're not going to get every single one.
But then you have people like Grassley. I know he's
in his nineties, but he said just in the hallway yesterday,
I love this. We need a redo, need a redo.
(28:47):
That's his nice Midwestern way of saying, no, they're not
going to accept this as the way it is. I
think he was referring to the three hundred billion dollars
in the snap cuts and some of the other things.
The Senate Republicans had suggested one billion it cuts. So
there's going to be a lot of this, and this
is going to be the moment, I would hope, because
(29:07):
Democrats are going to be united against this thing, and
we will be doing everything to force votes and push
them on it. But it is a time where people
are going to stand up because he is really focused
on this, and there's a bunch of Republicans in the Senate,
including Josh Holly of all things, who have basically said
on medicaid, I'm not going to do this and we're
(29:29):
not going to do these kinds of cuts as of
other And all it takes is four of them, by
the way, four of them to stand up in the
House against this. So when people get mad, I don't
blame them. They get mad about things and how they are,
and they're mad at Democrats. They got to look at this.
It takes only four of them in the House, and
four of them in the Senate. If only three of
them stand up, then good old JD. Vance can come
(29:52):
over and break the tie. But if four of them
stand up, then they can't pass it. And so that's
what the numbers are in the Senate and in the House.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So and look, I appreciate that the point you're making
that we still have agency, we're not by standards as
it relates to this, and we could still save the future.
But that said, we heard over and over and over
again today, yesterday, this last week, failure for these guys
is not an option. And of course Trump's showing up
(30:22):
today on the hill making that point only reinforces symbolically
and substantively what's at stake for the speaker, and ultimately
we'll be at stake for this country. But what I
mean this notion of waste, fraud and abuse, This idea
that you're not cutting thirteen point seven million people off
(30:44):
of Medicaid, that you're just asking them to work. Senator,
you're just asking them to reapply every six months, not
every year. It's hardly draconian, and it really is about waste,
fraud and abuse. How do you counter that narrative? How
how do we counter that message of that talking point
coming from these folks.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So we're happy to work with them on actual ways.
Fraud and abuse always have. I'm always into looking at
reforms and what we can do better. But when you
look at medicaid, half of the people in nursing homes
are on Medicaid. Okay, you've got this population tends to
be the vast majority of them are kids, they're people
(31:25):
with disabilities, they're veterans, right, and they're seniors' older people.
So you've got to look at the population you're dealing
with for both the SNAP programs and Medicaid in terms
of what you're talking about when you talk about making
it harder to apply or creating more red tape in
the like. So this is I think Trump has some
(31:47):
notion that this isn't very popular. That's why he keeps
saying he doesn't want to cut Medicaid. I think that
should be the proof point that maybe their argument isn't working.
The other proof point, by the way, when it comes
to economics, here is only thirty seven percent that is
very close to the magabase. Only thirty seven percent people
think he's handling the economy well, a number that I'm
(32:10):
hot off the press. Sharing with our caucus today is
that when people are asked, well, what do you think
we should do to make the budget better and balance
you get to a better thing with the deficit, only
fourteen percent of them said cut healthcare and cut nutrition
those things. Sixty eight percent said tax the billionaires and
(32:30):
the wealthiest more in order to make sure that people
aren't hurt by this. So I think they're in a
very bad place here, and you've got the midterms coming
around the corner. You've got they know this. This is
why you're starting to see some of the Republicans stand up.
I'm not being a Pollyanna. I'm just looking at the map.
I'm looking at the numbers. And so the key is
(32:51):
that despite the despair of what he tries to make,
people just feel like nothing is good when they look
at politics. Despite all that, you got to look at
some of the things that are going on in the States,
like your lawsuit on the terraffs. You got to look
at the fact that people of our country are going
to work every day, working hard despite all this, and
looking out for each other and looking out for their neighbors.
(33:13):
That this is still happening in America, no matter what
he says, or what he does every morning, or what
he posts on social media, and that we as a
country have to keep standing up to this because it's
either some of it's worked in court, so we fight
it in the courts, we fight it in Congress, and
this is going to be the big test. Are those
four Republicans going to stand up and we're going to
(33:34):
make them vote on a bunch of stuff in the meantime.
And then the third thing is our constituents. And that's
just my plea to everyone that you've engaged so many
people with this podcast. It's incredible that they remember that.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I appreciate, and I also just appreciate the essential nature
of this moment, just focusing on this tax bill and
focusing on the tariffs and doing our best over the
course the next few weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Talking about the fact that the Timber will beat the
Lakers and the Golden State.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Had to do that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Really you had to get into that. I mean, there
wasn't much time left, but I thought I might might
raise that.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
We made it almost through an entire podcast without that,
I mean, I won't even bring up the last.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And then I thought I did, so just let me
briefly in the spirit back to this. But for us,
it's very serious. I know journey continues.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I got two kids that are still in bed, they
have not recovered, so I understand, trust me, how serious
this stuff is. I also understand how serious these the anxiety.
And I just want to get to three quick topics
with you. Where and I'll just jump right in. Where
the hell is Elon Musk? What happened to him? What's
your assessment of everything that has happened the last few weeks?
(34:54):
Fire and fury signifying something nothing.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Don't trying to get Tesla back and doing his job.
I just was just the way I was in Wisconsin,
by the way, on that Supreme Court situation there, and
you know, not with him with the chiefs head, but
I was there and I just saw how people reacted
(35:18):
to that. And they care about their own state and
their own judicial system. They don't like that this billionaire
is coming over to Green Bay, and I think that
the way he handled that. There are ways, and you
know this, to make changes in state or federal government.
You've got to look at agencies just like any business
person would do. What things, what line of business isn't working.
(35:39):
What do I want to change? How do I want
to do it? And boy, I want to keep some
of my new vigorous employees instead of firing everyone that's
just been there less than two years. That may be
the dumbest thing. And I want to keep veterinarians at USDA.
I want to keep cancer researchers. I don't want to
turn off all these great employees. They are the key
to this of making all this work so we can
(35:59):
get meta devices approved. And the way they handled everything
was just this slash and burn approach, which then turns
off other people that they didn't even fire. That makes
them want to leave in pretty soon, who's going to
be looking at the electric grid? So this is going
to affect the economy with how he's handled this. There
are things that they could do and can do to
look at this in a rational way. And that's what
(36:23):
I think why he became just such a burden on
everything because of the way he went up, not necessarily
the idea of reform. People don't want to own the
status quo. They want to see changes to the government.
It's just how he did it and how he mocked
these people. Many of whom have devoted their lives to
(36:43):
doing work that Not everyone wants to go out and
fight fires all the time, right, Not everyone is putting
themselves in the line or looking at these doing the
kind of research that you need. They're not going to
sit in a lab all day. But there are some
devoted Americans that do that every day, and he's making
them want to go work somewhere else. So I think
that's what happened, and that's why he's back and hopefully
gets Tesla back on track.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah. No, And as someone that's invested as a taxpayer,
not just as an elected official supporting the growth of
the alternative vehicle industry, I appreciate the sentiments about Tesla
because of the energy and entrepreneurialism that defines that company,
at least has in the past, and our ability to
(37:25):
compete for the future. You make a point about the
issue of Snap and the cuts to food and food security.
By the way, Trump made another Orwellian comment today in
his press conference around the food cuts, around the Snap cuts,
saying it will actually lower the cost of food. Only
Trump could actually assert that, as he went on to
(37:47):
say something about the cost of eggs, but also there's
a part of the three legged stool of what they're
also assaulted we didn't bring up, which is on the
green energy side, and the fact that we will quite literally,
you talk about the future, and I appreciate you brought
it up center four or five times. Wasn't lost on me.
You talked about that formula for success. You talked about
the research and development. You talked about, you know, the
(38:10):
foundations of what make this country great and how we
built the world's largest middle class. It's because we had
a formula for success and academic freedom, in investments in
science and health and discovery, and entrepreneurial is the ability
to get the first round draft choices around the rest
of the world, the best and the brightest to come
to America, and rules for risk taking but not recklessness.
(38:33):
You talk about the importance of permitting reform and addressing
aspects of what Ezra Client has referred to as the
abundance agenda, which I completely embraced in Democrats. We need
to own that and we need to own up to
our own performance. But I want to just briefly talk
about something if I'm a senator that is very personal
to you and personal to all of us, but more
(38:56):
personal to you because I've been struck by your own
history with your family, your own personal health obviously now
President Biden's health, and it's so topical this week. I
saw you on the Sunday shows, and I don't want
to necessarily get to the past per se. We're gonna
have plenty of time, and on this podcast we'll talk
(39:16):
a lot more about the past, but in relationship to
the present and the future, just your relationship with President
Biden and his relationship to this moment as it relates
to this advanced prostate cancer right.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Exactly, So when you think about it was the cancer moonshot.
When you go back to Biden after he lost his son,
who I know you knew, and him and it was
something that of course changed his whole life. And I
was there when President Obama signed that bill because I
had some things in there on eating disorders, of the
(39:50):
things that we passed that we got in that bill,
and also some of the work on cancer. And I
remember President Biden was Vice president at the time, standing
by Obama's side when he signed that bill into law.
That research at NIH and the like has continued with
bipartisan support for eleven years in a row, increasing research
(40:10):
and now, as you know, a lot of the works
in your state, some of it's in mind with the
Mayo Clinic and the University of Minnesota, and just kind
of the incredible moment we're at. We've mapped the human genome.
Now we're moving into personalized medicine and the use of AI,
if harnessed and put the right rules in place, is
going to take our country to this level of leadership.
(40:33):
But to do it, you need, yes, some rules in place.
And when Elon Moss says that there should be some
rules on an AI, maybe we should listen to them. Secondly,
and Congress needs to act. Secondly, we need to keep
supporting this research and the fact that these attacks on
these universities, and I'm so glad they're joining forces now
because that's one thing all people listen to your podcasts
(40:56):
have got to think about when you join forces and
you're not alone being attacked. It's worked better for journalists,
for law firms, you name it. So that idea that
we could continue this research at this moment and get
continue to get in the workers that can do the research.
With legal immigration reform and the like to augment the
(41:16):
people we have heard that to me is our golden
moment into a sun California sunshine thing where we can
really go to this next level of our economy. And
that's one of the saddest things about what's going on
when I've heard in your own state and in mind
about research projects that could be brought to places like Australia,
(41:38):
because they just they don't know if they're going to
have the certainty of doing them here right at this
moment where this technology and know how is reaching this
pinnacle where America has like kind of our next great
breakthroughs with rare diseases which we never thought were possible
to solve. And in my case, yes, the breast cancer
(41:59):
that gets like they detect it. You have a simple epectomy,
you've got radiation in five days, and you don't miss
a vote, and you literally get back on a commercial
flight or back for that vote and never miss anything.
I don't say that's perfect for most people, but what
I say is that these advancements has allowed our economy
(42:19):
to function and been a leader, and we don't want
to move back on that. And I know that was
something President Biden cared about. I know something you're voted too.
But the point is is that Trump, we still could
go in the right direction, but he's got to stop
this assault on the things that are literally the innovation
that's key to America's economy. We want to be a
(42:41):
country that makes up, invents things and exports to the
World Center.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Just in closing, do you you know and I appreciate
I think this notion of an economic vision, the journey
that everyone can be on together and they see, they
feel seen and included in that is critical for the
Democrats and our comeback, And not just as it relates
to the mid terms, but even beyond, where are you
(43:06):
on sort of the spectrum of reflecting on where our
party is, where was, where we are today, and where
we're going, and just sort of three or four things
that you think we should be doing more of right
now in order to get back where I think the
American people, the majority of them, I believe, want us
(43:27):
to be.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, I think we can't be stuck in the status
quo of the past. And just because Trump is going
on this all out assault doesn't mean that our answer
is no, we like everything the way it was. That's
not where the American people are. That's not where we
should be. So that's the first thing, in addition to
focusing on the economic mistakes he's making and the assault
on people's basically their right to pursue opportunities by making
(43:53):
it harder and harder for them and small businesses. We
have got to have our own agenda. That's first thing.
The second thing is we shouldn't just go where it's comfortable.
We should go where it's uncomfortable. You know, I visit
all eighty seven counties in my state every single year.
Just came back from a nineteen county tour in rural
Minnesota and go to other parts of the country as
(44:14):
well that are more rural. I just think listening to
people because they're on the first line that's getting attacked
by these tariffs and the light and making sure that
we have an agenda that works for them. The third thing,
bring down costs. Bring down costs, bring down costs. That's
going to mean more housing and getting through some of
this permitting muck, and that's part of the whole abundance.
(44:35):
As reclient agenda childcare, there's incredible public private partnerships that
we could engage in bringing down health care costs, being
willing to look at that in a different way, take
on these pharmaceutical prices. I've let that bail. And then
just remembering that there's more that unites us that divides us,
and trying through all of this muck to remember these
(44:58):
hard working Americans. Sure saught with your firefighters and their
grit and with all the people in your state, and
we see it all over the country. To have that
motivate us every day, and that way, you kind of
make what he's doing small, because you're going to be
bigger than that. And speaking of which, I have to
go to our democratic lunch. I wish, I bet you
(45:20):
wish you could take the podcast in there. Yeah, but
they all have to.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Say your little town hall. I love it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Oh yeah, people have. Well.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Wish you all the luck in this remarkable moment. But
I'm grateful you took these moments to share your thoughts,
your wisdom, your insight, and congratulations again on getting that
bill to the President's desk and sign, and thank you
for all you actually all you do for all of
us every single day in ways seen and unseen. Center
Klob char thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Thanks it was great being on. Thank you thank you
Speaker 1 (46:00):
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