August 15, 2025 • 31 mins
Heather Cox Richardson and Gavin Newsom discuss breaking news around the Governor’s latest efforts to stop Donald Trump’s election rigging schemes, Border Patrol’s surprise visits to Newsom’s rally, and California’s freshly announced special election this November.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome everybody. Sorry we're a little late getting started. It's
been quite a day for the governor, and thank you
Governor Newsom for joining us today.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Great to be with you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thank you, It's been quite a day for you. I
wanted to talk today about what you just said in
California and how you said it, and the implications in
the short term for it, but also the long term
implications for American democracy. It was a big day for you.
Do you want to start by telling the audience here
who may not have heard your press conference or may
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not have heard your uh or read about it yet,
what you have said today in California, Well.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
If I and I appreciate it. I want to say
where I'm saying it. I'm in little Tokyo. I'm at
the Democracy Center. I'm at the center of what occurred
in the nineteen forties where people were quite literally picked
up right behind me a few feet away Japanese and interned.
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As we started our press conference with senators United States senators,
but shift members of Congress, community leaders, everybody assembled, border
patrol was set right here to the exact site where
people were picked up and interned in the nineteen forties.
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I just hope people pause and think about that, that
they were directed clearly by the White House as a
political operation to make a point, and that means we
didn't have to make other much of a point ourselves
about what this election is all about, and what's happening
in this country and this sort of shift towards more authoritarianism,
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and what's at stake with redistricting and what's at stake
with our democracy, and how the founding fathers would be
rolling over in their grave.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, let's step back a bit, because you said when
it happened that they were making a specific point and
it wasn't just about picking people up. It was about
the upcoming twenty twenty six and then twenty twenty eight election.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah. Look, there's no doubt in my mind that And
I said this a few months ago when we saw
four thousand of our National Guard federalized. We saw seven
hundred United States Marines sent to an American city, the
first time Donald Trump ever deployed the US military. Never
did it overseas, did it in the United States of
America into Los Angeles. I said, this is a preview
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of things to come. I don't know what more evidence
we need than what happened in Washington, DC. And you're
going to see this all across the United States. What
we saw just a moment ago with border patrol is
a preview things to come at voting booths and polling
places all across this country. These guys aren't screwing around.
Wake up. Donald Trump is not screwing around. He called
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Greg Abbott. He said he was entitled to five seats.
He's trying to rig the next election in the midterms.
There's a reason members of the Trump team sent me
a Trump twenty twenty eight hat with a note, is
there not screwing around and we could no longer screw
around either.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So you spoke today specifically in response to the demand
of President Donald Trump of the Texas legislators to redistrict
the state in the middle of a cycle which we
is usually every ten years because the US Census demand.
The US Constitution demands that we do a census every
ten years for redistricting, and Texas has done this before
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in twenty thousand and three. But they are looking to
read district Texas to get rid of a number of
Democratic representatives and replace some of the Republicans five. So
today in California, you pushed back with a very specific plan.
Could you outline that plan for us? Even though the
maps have not come out yet, we understand.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well, we're fighting fire with fire. We're responding to what
appears to be happening in real time in Texas. And
rather than having one hand tied behind our back in California,
we are asking the people of the state of California
in a special election on November fourth, through their representatives,
two thirds of which will on Monday, introduce a constitutional
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amendment to allow the independent Redistrict of California to occur
mid decade to fight firefire the equivalent of five seats
to neoter and neutralize what's happening in Texas on a
temporary basis. We'll do it in a transparent way by
putting the maps up and make them available for public review,
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and we'll do it in the most democratic way. The
people will ultimately decide start contrast to what's happening in Texas.
It's triggered only if Texas moves forward, if Missouri moves forward,
if Florida moves forward, if Indiana or Ohio or any
of these other states move forward in response to what
appears pretty clearly to be the rigging of the midterm election,
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analogous to what happened after January sixth, when Donald Trump
started dialing for votes and the very infamous phone calls
he made to the Secretary of State in Georgia.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So I want to get back in a bit to
the idea that this is a long term plan of
the mega Republicans to take over the American system entirely
so that the Democrats can never win, so we essentially
get a one party state. But let's go back, first
of all to this specific plan, because there's some pieces
of it that I think are important for people to understand.
The first, as you say, is that it is reactionary.
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It would only go into effect if the Texas Republicans
go forward with their own redistricting plan and in the
mid in the mid cycle.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Is that correct. That's it. There's an exit ramp. They
don't move forward, we don't move forward. This is not
the fight we want. But we're not going to sit
back again and roll over. We're not going to sit
back with one hand tie behind our back, have a
candlelighted visual hold hands. Talk about the way the world
should be not when we're seeing this level of recklessness,
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this level of insidiousness as it relates to democratic institutions,
democratic norms, and the rigging of the twenty twenty six
congressional maps.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
All right, So if that's the immediate piece of it,
there is within it, as I understand it, and I
have not yet read the measure, there is within it
a demand for a national nonpartisan Can you talk about that?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, Look, just so people understand, and I want a
level set with folks. Good people can disagree on this.
I support and have supported independent redistricting. I believe it's
the right approach. I'm really proud of my party, the
Democratic Party, for doing the same. Zoe Logrant Lawford, who's
the head of the California Congressional delegation, sponsored legislation was
supported by all the Democrats to create a national independent redistricting.
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No Republicans supported. Democrats supported that. That's what we believe,
it's the right thing to do. We need to move
beyond these partisan GERI matter districts where we pick voters
as opposed to voters picking us. But in the absence
of that happening nationwide, in the absence of these of
fairness being advanced in other states. We have to act
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anew in the sort of language of Lincoln himself in
his second State of the Union, we have to disenthrall ourselves.
Facts are new, we have to think a new and
we have to act anew And I think the key
here is act. It's not good enough to talk about.
We have to actually move forward. We have to meet
this head on. And that's why we say fire with fire.
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It is about power, it's not about party. That's all
this is about. But again it came about in response.
If they don't move, we don't move. The legislature on
Monday will introduce a number of bills, a constitutional amendment,
They will introduce the maps. The fact that maps will
come out I think as early as tomorrow, so people
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have a chance to see them again. They'll be on
people's ballot, and so ultimately people decide on November fourth.
It's an election that coincides with a lot of municipal elections,
and we will fund those elections, the special election at
the local level, so that there's access and opportunity. We're
going to do it in the most transparent way that's
ever been done here. In the state of California. But
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we fundamentally believe and the voters will have a chance
to concur that we should have independent, nationalized redistricting. That
is going to be on our ballot as well.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
All right, So what would you say to institutionalists like
me who say that, in fact, we need to support
American institutions even when other people are not supporting them,
because by walking away from them we destroy the project.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, I think this project is being destroyed. I mean
the best of the Roman Republic and Greek democracy and
coequal branches of government, a system of checks and balances,
popular sovereignty. It's all on the line. There's no independent redistricting.
If Trump is successful in wiring the five votes that
he claims he's entitled to, or the five seats in
Texas and all of these other states, He's not going
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to stop in Texas. You see what he just tried
to do to one of the great research institutions in
the world that helped create the Internet, UCLA and the
one bigion dollar extortion backage. They're selling their souls. God
help us, God help us. They'll do this at Harvard institutions.
My gosh, institutions how about free enterprise, How about what
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Nvidia just did. Institutions they're frame, they're cracking, So we
have got to this is about power, yes, but it's
also about power pushing back against Trump, and it's also
about power to call out this rigged election that he's
tried to advance and to try to provide a level
playing field. That's all we're trying to do. Neutralize what
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they're doing in texts.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, you certainly could make the argument that what you
are doing is quite intelligently looking at the nation as
a whole, in California as a piece of that. So
by protecting the larger institutional system of the checks and
balances in the country and stopping this extraordinary power grab,
that in fact you are supporting those institutions, not undercutting them.
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Do you think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, this is
you know, this is about all of us. This is
about the United States of America. The implications everyone listening,
The implications are well beyond California. And this is about representation.
It's about this fundamental and foundational as it gets. And again,
this is the core, enduring experiment that we've enjoyed but
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can no longer take for granted for two hundred and
forty nine years. I mean the idea that that Donald
Trump he's going to represent this nation on the two
hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and he's up to this.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I mean, we're going to represent the American people, are
going to resent represent the country at the two hundred
and fiftieth.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
God bless you. And that reminds me of Justicegen's dissent
and not dissimilar redistricting issues where the power of the
government is endowed by the people. I'm here at the
Democracy Center and other in that spirit, I remember Justice
BRANDI said, in a democracy, the most important office is
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not office of presidents or they not governor, city council, mayor.
The most important office is office of citizen. And it's
about active, non inert citizenship. And so this notion of
we the people is foundational and I appreciate that spirit,
and I appreciate your reflection of that. Well.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You mentioned that in your speech today. You talked about
agency and about how part of what you're doing is
trying to remind Americans that they do have agency over
their government. Was that a deliberate call for this speech?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, I don't know what's happened. I feel like some
of us have we become victims in so many respects.
We forget we're not bystanders in the world, that the
future is not just something experience, it's something to manifest.
It's right here, it's right inside of us. It is
it's decisions, not conditions. I don't, you know, And maybe
I'm maybe After the pandemic, I started reading a little
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more Epoptetis and Marcus Aurelius and Seneca and spend a
little time with the Stoics a little bit. But it's
a reminder it's not what happens to us. It's how
we respond to what happens to us that matters. And
we have agency, that's what citizens. He can't take that
away from us. He can't. He's trying. He can only
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take it away if we allow him to take it
away from us. And I'm very mindful that that's happened
in other countries around the world and other points of
our history. With the consent, there's a complicity we are
not bystanderds Well.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
One of the things that jumped out to me about
this declaration of the Governor of California that he would
use the power, the extraordinary power of the state of California, which,
as you say, has the population of twenty one of
the smaller states and the fourth largest economy in the world.
Congratulations on that, by the way, that came earlier this year,
you moved from fifth to fourth. But what really interested
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me about that in terms of the way we think
about American democracy in the larger picture, is I believe
this is the first time in American history where a
state has called for other states to pressure the national
government to change the system for larger inclusion in democracy.
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And what I mean by that is that generally after
World War II, that liberals who wanted the government to
regulate business and provide a basic social safety net and
protect civil rights and invest in infrastructure look to the
federal government to move states along those lines, especially states
that had tended to discriminate against their populations. And so
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there's been a tendency for people who cared about those issues.
And that's not just by the way, in the nineteen
fifties and sixties and seventies, a democratic proposition, but an
American proposition to look to the federal government. But I
believe this is the first time that a state has
said we will leverage our very strong power to force
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the federal government to stop destroying our democracy. I think
it's a really big moment what you have just declared.
Did you see it that way?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, No, it's interesting as you're framing it, I'm starting
to see it that way. Look, I've seen and Ron
Brown seeing and others have been writing a lot about this,
this great divergence that's occurred in this country in the
last I don't know decade or so red versus blue.
We've seen, as you describe it, you know, from sort
of post World War two frame this right's expansion, this
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increasing and growing nationalization of rights, and now we're seeing
that regression state by state. I started to see it
a number of years ago in a deeper way, when
I started to reconcile the fact that I'm on the
receiving end of CRTDI E. S G. Anything with three letters.
They've seen it started a shape shift, and we start
to see that with Ron DeSantis in particular, Abbott in
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many respects without as much fanfare, starting to sort of
rewrite history, sensor historic facts, more evidence we need. With
Smithsonian and what's going on there. And I started to
see it as it relates to curriculum being changed. I
saw it with books that are being bannedly or books
even worse that are being changed, like social studies books
where they're taking the race of Rosa Parks out of
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the book because it's a quote unquote two woke as
it relates to the history of the civil rights movement.
And so this this this this nationalization of rights that
now seems to be moving backwards to pre nineteen sixties
construct It just occurs to me now to the extent possible,
states can assert themselves, like California, states that might just
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be able to punch a little bit above their weight
that that we can lay a little bit more claim
to recognizing this moment in history and pushed back and
move back, I think to our better angels where we
truly are, as Adam Schiff said today, you know sort
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of marking that that that that that sort of infamous
MLK frame that you know that that arc of history
ultimately been towards just and I just feel like it's
getting increasingly out of our grasp and we've got to
pull that arc back down.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, you did something else very interesting though in your
speech that speaks to that, and that is that really
since well, at least for the last twenty years, and
I would push it back for twenty before that. There's
been a tendency among the rhetoric of the radical right
to demonize democratic states, especially California and New York, but
especially California. And you actually took on Texas today, and
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you also spoke up very powerfully about having pride in
the things that make texts that make California great. That too,
I thought was an important rhetorical shift.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I appreciate that. I looked around the room as people
are cheering. It's the most diverse crowd and the most
diverse city, the world's most diverse democracy. It's the point
of pride. It's all at stake. We don't say it enough.
You know. Why is California the fourth largest economa. I
appreciate you recognizing that it's not despite that diversity, it's
because of it. We get first round draft choices. Around
the rest of the world. The best, in the brightest
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come to California. States like California, other large states across
this country because they see, they feel seen and heard,
they feel sense of belonging. That's what makes this country great.
That's what's made America great. Lady torch, you know, the
Lady Liberty's torch, you know, the life force as Reagan said, yes,
Ronald Reagan himself, of New Americans. That's our greatness. And
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all of that is at risk. That's what the Border
Patrol was sitting there trying to disabuse us of. I'm
not gonna We're not gonna let Donald Trump wreck that,
and I'm not you know, there's I'll acknowledge each other.
There is. There's definitely I submit Trump to arrangement syndrome,
but they're sure as hell is California derangement syndrome. We
have more scientists, engineers, more researchers won't know about laureates
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than any other state in America. Just think about the
UC system that he's attacking. Thirteen thou eight hundred active patents.
There's no other universites on planet Earth with more patents.
You care about national security, you care about economic progress,
You care about innovation and entrepreneurialism. You care about dominating
the next century and globally and otherwise, you sure as
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hell better care about those institutions. All of those are
at risk with the rule of don Well, I hope
it's dawning on people what's at stake.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, the contrast of ice being there, as you said that,
because of course economists one thousand percent bear out exactly
what you just said here was a striking moment. It
was also, I thought, a very striking moment that Trump
and the MAGA Republicans especially I'm thinking of somebody like
Stephen Miller right now, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff,
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have made it a point really to talk about how
terrible America is, that it's American carnage, that there's you
know who is it. The Senator from Oklahoma today, Mark
Wayne Mullins said he drives around Washington without a seat
out because he's afraid he's going to get carjact. I'm like, dude,
come on, like really, you know, it's been.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
A lot of time in the carj act in his
state than he is in these blue states. I remind
everyone watching eight of the top ten murder states in
America are red states. You've got you talk about speaker.
We didn't talk about the speaker of the Als Johnson.
His district has six or eight times more murder rate
per cabit in than Nancy Pelosi's why the hell isn't
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Trump sending the National Guard in to deal with the
carnage in Speaker Johnson's backyard. It's all bs, it's all performative,
but it's all very real. And that's why we need
to sober up. We need to act differently. It's time
we have to get back on the offense. It's time
we shape shift the conversation, time we dominate and flood
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the zone on the narrative. And it's time we call
out the bullshit. She's my language. I know there's a
lot of it. A lot of us are swearing a
lot more that we used to, and I forgive me,
but the reality is we're in a new reality and
our Democrats, and I think the biggest problem with our
party right now is the sense that we're weak. That
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were we and it's time to disabuse people of that.
We have power. We need to start exercising it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Okay, you said a bunch of things there that I
think are really important agency offense and defense of the
qualities that have always made America great. And you referenced
Ronald Reagan there the last public speech he Gave talked
about how important immigration was to making America stay on
the top of its game, constantly innovating, constantly being the
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best in the world because we welcome new people, and
that he said, if we stopped that, we would cease
to be America, we would cease to be the country
we were. And I think we're seeing that.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I mean, look, it's we've had a formula for success
in this country and and and I mean for everybody
we've been there, we've got for all the challenges and
we have we have we have. It goes without saying
we have all these pre existing conditions. But we have
been the envy of the world. And these guys are
trying to wreck it. They're trying to wreck it, and
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they don't know what the hell they're doing. Trump doesn't
know what the hell he's doing. And you have all
of these people that are complicit and they're shaking their head. Yes, sir.
In the worst part, Heather, it's some of the wealthiest
and most connected people that are selling out. That's why
if Harvard does this, they will sell out higher education
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in this country. It is a shame, it would be
a disgrace. You have some of the wealthiest business leaders
selling out allowing their companies to be nationalized socialized there,
I say, we cannot allow that to happen. People are scared.
I'll tell you what. We have some people that want
to contribute this campaign. They're scared of the retribution from
the son of a bitch. I mean, now, this is
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how bad it is.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Let me just explain for people and may not have
been following it, that, in fact, the Trump administration has
been exercising really quite unusual control over government mergers. For example,
they've been requiring fifteen percent kickbacks on the sale of
certain kinds of chips to China and so on, and
there is a real concern that this is a form
of state capitalism that looks a lot more more like
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China than it looks like our free labor system. But
while we're on that topic, though, Governor, what about your
new I think you have a very new approach to
how you were taking on the Trump administration. And I
know that I've been reprinting you, and certainly a lot
of people have been retweeting you. Why did you make
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the decision to do what you're doing? Can you explain
it to us and say, if you know where you
think it fits in this fight that we are on
to protect American democracy.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, look, I I have we all have a cell
by date, and I'm not going to dream of regretting.
I'm putting out all the putting all out on the line,
and I'm just I'm I I've never been more concerned
about this country and for them, out of the world
that we're living in. And I'm I recognize the power
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of communication. I realize the power of the narrative. We
talked about a moment ago at least I asserted the
imperative of claiming the narrative. And and I'm just iterating.
I'm constantly iterating. So I got a podcast. I'm just
trying new things, and I'm there's humility in that, there's grace.
I'm just trying to see what works. And I, you know,
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decided a few days ago with the team to mimic
a little bit of the childishness that is Donald Trump
and what he puts out on truth social at all
cats exclamation, exclamation, And you know, I don't know, some
refer to as a parody of sorts, but it's been
a potent communication tool because people are now talking about it.
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I'm getting people that never reach out to me, that
don't care much about politics, can't stand politicians. I just
want to talk to me about sports or culture, saying hey, wait,
I saw your tweet. Kind of like that, all of
a sudden, they're paying a little bit more attention, and
they're maybe paying attention to the childish nish that is
Donald Trump, that we've allowed him to normalize the way
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he communicates, talking down to us, talking past us, and
so yeah, we're iterating, we're trying new things. I'm not
trying to claim anything except a willingness to try, a
willingness to learn again. As I said, the humility and
grace of the moment that it recorders.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Do you want to tell this audience what you said
in response to a question about it at your press
conference after the speech.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, I mean I just I basically reinforced a little
bit more succinctly what I just said. Look, how it's pathetic.
He's the president of the United States, the president of
the United States of America, and he's sitting there at
one to two in the morning with all caps and
it just anyway, I don't know, I don't know how
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many more I'll have of those tweets. But if you
haven't checked out some of my tweets go online, you
may enjoy a few.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I believe you said. If you have a problem with
my tweets, you sure should have a problem with the
President of the United States making those tweets exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I mean, I got kids, and I got how do
we have a whole generation of people who thinks this
is normal. It's not and it can't be normalized. And
that's a big part of what we're also pushing back against.
Pay attention everybody, please, please, please please pay attention to
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So I have just two very quick questions for you.
One is, I'm not going to ask you how you
think Trump will respond, because we don't know. That's one
of the reasons we sort of have to take it
on a moment by moment basis. But do you have
a series of plans in place depending on how he
responds to this, because he will. That was a red
flag to a bull.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Boy, he responded today. Border patrol was out there for
a reason. That wasn't done, that wasn't abitstance. That's that's
I mean, that's a that's an orbon you know Turkey Playbook.
I mean that was just you know, that was a yeah,
that's as I said, weakness masquerading his strength. But again
it was a masterclass of making our point, not his point.
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He made no point. He made our point of what's
at stake. So that's how I react. He's reacted by
saying I should be arrested. Onder what basis he said, Well,
because he was elected govenant. I mean, you can't make
this stuff up. So look, I'm not naive. He's reacting.
He's trying to wreck California. He's you know, he's trying
to wreck the only high speed rail system in the
Western hemisphere. He's trying to go after US as relates
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to the institutions of higher learning, any independent any place
that cultivates independent thinking. Donald Trump is going after any
institut tuition that cultivates independent thinking. And that should sober
everyone up, not just Californian, not just Californians, not just
elected officials. I'm fine. The fifteen year old that had
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a gun pulled to his head, who's disabled trying to
go to school last week, He's not the rest of
his life. He's going to have that image of a
gun that was put to his head by Ice agents.
So that's what the hell do we need to sober up?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So that's my fine. That is my final question for you.
You talked about agency, you've talked about new things in
new ways to approach the protection of democracy. You've talked
about what you are doing. What should the American people
be doing to support the democratic project right now? Because
everybody wants to do something. The popularity of this administration,
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you know, is in the toilet. The people who support
Project twenty twenty four, about four percent of Americans support
it when they know what it is. What should people
be doing to support the protection of American democracy?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's the right question. And I think about this all
the time. I get this question all the time. What
he's trying to do, the shock and awe is trying
to just just weigh us down, try to distract us,
try to exhaust us. We're just overwhelmed, and as a consequence,
we just sort of stand back and step down and
just get lost and you know online and doom scrawling, etc.
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We can't allow him to allow us to fall prey
to cynicism and fear. And I want everyone listening to
know they're the antidote to that cynicism and fear. The
fact that you're even watching this, if you are, even
if you came here because you can't stand me, you're
the antidote to that cynicism. Fair You haven't given up,
You haven't given it, And I think the answer is
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not complicated. Just be yourself, say what you think, learn
from don't follow others, express yourself, do so in a
responsible way. Don't talk past people, don't talk down to people.
All of us want to be loved. All of us
need to be loved. We all want to be protected,
connected and respected. Have that in your heart, but be
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accountable by exercising your voice. Show up. It inspires people.
And that No King's Day you inspired me. I wasn't
sure that that was going the big two hundred and
fiftieth anniversary, big birthday bash. I honestly didn't know I
was going to go, like I'm starting to feel it.
If I'm feeling it and I have this bullypole with
this gift, I can imagine how many people are feeling.
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But you showed up, and I mean you put wind
in my sale. I mean, like, thank you for having
our back. The fact that we've even gotten this far
with the legislature and with our Congression. I mean, this
is amazing. Thank you, Thank you for not giving up.
Keep at it seriously, like proud, just as a guy
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who's the ex governor of California, the guy who's trying
to raise four kids used to be decent people. I
don't care if they're Democrats Republicans. Just want to be
good human beings and I want them to have the
privileges that all of us have, the freedoms, the liberties,
the ability to live their lives out loud, and those
things you can't take for granted anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Amen, Governor Newsom, thank you so much for being with us,
and I hope we do this again sometime. Best of
luck to you, and best of luck with this project.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I appreciate honor to be with you. Seriously, take care.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Everybody, Thank you, everybody.
This is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome everybody. Sorry we're a little late getting started. It's
been quite a day for the governor, and thank you
Governor Newsom for joining us today.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Great to be with you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thank you, It's been quite a day for you. I
wanted to talk today about what you just said in
California and how you said it, and the implications in
the short term for it, but also the long term
implications for American democracy. It was a big day for you.
Do you want to start by telling the audience here
who may not have heard your press conference or may
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not have heard your uh or read about it yet,
what you have said today in California, Well.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
If I and I appreciate it. I want to say
where I'm saying it. I'm in little Tokyo. I'm at
the Democracy Center. I'm at the center of what occurred
in the nineteen forties where people were quite literally picked
up right behind me a few feet away Japanese and interned.
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As we started our press conference with senators United States senators,
but shift members of Congress, community leaders, everybody assembled, border
patrol was set right here to the exact site where
people were picked up and interned in the nineteen forties.
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I just hope people pause and think about that, that
they were directed clearly by the White House as a
political operation to make a point, and that means we
didn't have to make other much of a point ourselves
about what this election is all about, and what's happening
in this country and this sort of shift towards more authoritarianism,
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and what's at stake with redistricting and what's at stake
with our democracy, and how the founding fathers would be
rolling over in their grave.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, let's step back a bit, because you said when
it happened that they were making a specific point and
it wasn't just about picking people up. It was about
the upcoming twenty twenty six and then twenty twenty eight election.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah. Look, there's no doubt in my mind that And
I said this a few months ago when we saw
four thousand of our National Guard federalized. We saw seven
hundred United States Marines sent to an American city, the
first time Donald Trump ever deployed the US military. Never
did it overseas, did it in the United States of
America into Los Angeles. I said, this is a preview
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of things to come. I don't know what more evidence
we need than what happened in Washington, DC. And you're
going to see this all across the United States. What
we saw just a moment ago with border patrol is
a preview things to come at voting booths and polling
places all across this country. These guys aren't screwing around.
Wake up. Donald Trump is not screwing around. He called
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Greg Abbott. He said he was entitled to five seats.
He's trying to rig the next election in the midterms.
There's a reason members of the Trump team sent me
a Trump twenty twenty eight hat with a note, is
there not screwing around and we could no longer screw
around either.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So you spoke today specifically in response to the demand
of President Donald Trump of the Texas legislators to redistrict
the state in the middle of a cycle which we
is usually every ten years because the US Census demand.
The US Constitution demands that we do a census every
ten years for redistricting, and Texas has done this before
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in twenty thousand and three. But they are looking to
read district Texas to get rid of a number of
Democratic representatives and replace some of the Republicans five. So
today in California, you pushed back with a very specific plan.
Could you outline that plan for us? Even though the
maps have not come out yet, we understand.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well, we're fighting fire with fire. We're responding to what
appears to be happening in real time in Texas. And
rather than having one hand tied behind our back in California,
we are asking the people of the state of California
in a special election on November fourth, through their representatives,
two thirds of which will on Monday, introduce a constitutional
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amendment to allow the independent Redistrict of California to occur
mid decade to fight firefire the equivalent of five seats
to neoter and neutralize what's happening in Texas on a
temporary basis. We'll do it in a transparent way by
putting the maps up and make them available for public review,
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and we'll do it in the most democratic way. The
people will ultimately decide start contrast to what's happening in Texas.
It's triggered only if Texas moves forward, if Missouri moves forward,
if Florida moves forward, if Indiana or Ohio or any
of these other states move forward in response to what
appears pretty clearly to be the rigging of the midterm election,
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analogous to what happened after January sixth, when Donald Trump
started dialing for votes and the very infamous phone calls
he made to the Secretary of State in Georgia.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So I want to get back in a bit to
the idea that this is a long term plan of
the mega Republicans to take over the American system entirely
so that the Democrats can never win, so we essentially
get a one party state. But let's go back, first
of all to this specific plan, because there's some pieces
of it that I think are important for people to understand.
The first, as you say, is that it is reactionary.
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It would only go into effect if the Texas Republicans
go forward with their own redistricting plan and in the
mid in the mid cycle.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Is that correct. That's it. There's an exit ramp. They
don't move forward, we don't move forward. This is not
the fight we want. But we're not going to sit
back again and roll over. We're not going to sit
back with one hand tie behind our back, have a
candlelighted visual hold hands. Talk about the way the world
should be not when we're seeing this level of recklessness,
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this level of insidiousness as it relates to democratic institutions,
democratic norms, and the rigging of the twenty twenty six
congressional maps.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
All right, So if that's the immediate piece of it,
there is within it, as I understand it, and I
have not yet read the measure, there is within it
a demand for a national nonpartisan Can you talk about that?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, Look, just so people understand, and I want a
level set with folks. Good people can disagree on this.
I support and have supported independent redistricting. I believe it's
the right approach. I'm really proud of my party, the
Democratic Party, for doing the same. Zoe Logrant Lawford, who's
the head of the California Congressional delegation, sponsored legislation was
supported by all the Democrats to create a national independent redistricting.
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No Republicans supported. Democrats supported that. That's what we believe,
it's the right thing to do. We need to move
beyond these partisan GERI matter districts where we pick voters
as opposed to voters picking us. But in the absence
of that happening nationwide, in the absence of these of
fairness being advanced in other states. We have to act
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anew in the sort of language of Lincoln himself in
his second State of the Union, we have to disenthrall ourselves.
Facts are new, we have to think a new and
we have to act anew And I think the key
here is act. It's not good enough to talk about.
We have to actually move forward. We have to meet
this head on. And that's why we say fire with fire.
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It is about power, it's not about party. That's all
this is about. But again it came about in response.
If they don't move, we don't move. The legislature on
Monday will introduce a number of bills, a constitutional amendment,
They will introduce the maps. The fact that maps will
come out I think as early as tomorrow, so people
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have a chance to see them again. They'll be on
people's ballot, and so ultimately people decide on November fourth.
It's an election that coincides with a lot of municipal elections,
and we will fund those elections, the special election at
the local level, so that there's access and opportunity. We're
going to do it in the most transparent way that's
ever been done here. In the state of California. But
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we fundamentally believe and the voters will have a chance
to concur that we should have independent, nationalized redistricting. That
is going to be on our ballot as well.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
All right, So what would you say to institutionalists like
me who say that, in fact, we need to support
American institutions even when other people are not supporting them,
because by walking away from them we destroy the project.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, I think this project is being destroyed. I mean
the best of the Roman Republic and Greek democracy and
coequal branches of government, a system of checks and balances,
popular sovereignty. It's all on the line. There's no independent redistricting.
If Trump is successful in wiring the five votes that
he claims he's entitled to, or the five seats in
Texas and all of these other states, He's not going
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to stop in Texas. You see what he just tried
to do to one of the great research institutions in
the world that helped create the Internet, UCLA and the
one bigion dollar extortion backage. They're selling their souls. God
help us, God help us. They'll do this at Harvard institutions.
My gosh, institutions how about free enterprise, How about what
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Nvidia just did. Institutions they're frame, they're cracking, So we
have got to this is about power, yes, but it's
also about power pushing back against Trump, and it's also
about power to call out this rigged election that he's
tried to advance and to try to provide a level
playing field. That's all we're trying to do. Neutralize what
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they're doing in texts.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, you certainly could make the argument that what you
are doing is quite intelligently looking at the nation as
a whole, in California as a piece of that. So
by protecting the larger institutional system of the checks and
balances in the country and stopping this extraordinary power grab,
that in fact you are supporting those institutions, not undercutting them.
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Do you think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, this is
you know, this is about all of us. This is
about the United States of America. The implications everyone listening,
The implications are well beyond California. And this is about representation.
It's about this fundamental and foundational as it gets. And again,
this is the core, enduring experiment that we've enjoyed but
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can no longer take for granted for two hundred and
forty nine years. I mean the idea that that Donald
Trump he's going to represent this nation on the two
hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and he's up to this.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I mean, we're going to represent the American people, are
going to resent represent the country at the two hundred
and fiftieth.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
God bless you. And that reminds me of Justicegen's dissent
and not dissimilar redistricting issues where the power of the
government is endowed by the people. I'm here at the
Democracy Center and other in that spirit, I remember Justice
BRANDI said, in a democracy, the most important office is
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not office of presidents or they not governor, city council, mayor.
The most important office is office of citizen. And it's
about active, non inert citizenship. And so this notion of
we the people is foundational and I appreciate that spirit,
and I appreciate your reflection of that. Well.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You mentioned that in your speech today. You talked about
agency and about how part of what you're doing is
trying to remind Americans that they do have agency over
their government. Was that a deliberate call for this speech?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, I don't know what's happened. I feel like some
of us have we become victims in so many respects.
We forget we're not bystanders in the world, that the
future is not just something experience, it's something to manifest.
It's right here, it's right inside of us. It is
it's decisions, not conditions. I don't, you know, And maybe
I'm maybe After the pandemic, I started reading a little
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more Epoptetis and Marcus Aurelius and Seneca and spend a
little time with the Stoics a little bit. But it's
a reminder it's not what happens to us. It's how
we respond to what happens to us that matters. And
we have agency, that's what citizens. He can't take that
away from us. He can't. He's trying. He can only
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take it away if we allow him to take it
away from us. And I'm very mindful that that's happened
in other countries around the world and other points of
our history. With the consent, there's a complicity we are
not bystanderds Well.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
One of the things that jumped out to me about
this declaration of the Governor of California that he would
use the power, the extraordinary power of the state of California, which,
as you say, has the population of twenty one of
the smaller states and the fourth largest economy in the world.
Congratulations on that, by the way, that came earlier this year,
you moved from fifth to fourth. But what really interested
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me about that in terms of the way we think
about American democracy in the larger picture, is I believe
this is the first time in American history where a
state has called for other states to pressure the national
government to change the system for larger inclusion in democracy.
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And what I mean by that is that generally after
World War II, that liberals who wanted the government to
regulate business and provide a basic social safety net and
protect civil rights and invest in infrastructure look to the
federal government to move states along those lines, especially states
that had tended to discriminate against their populations. And so
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there's been a tendency for people who cared about those issues.
And that's not just by the way, in the nineteen
fifties and sixties and seventies, a democratic proposition, but an
American proposition to look to the federal government. But I
believe this is the first time that a state has
said we will leverage our very strong power to force
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the federal government to stop destroying our democracy. I think
it's a really big moment what you have just declared.
Did you see it that way?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, No, it's interesting as you're framing it, I'm starting
to see it that way. Look, I've seen and Ron
Brown seeing and others have been writing a lot about this,
this great divergence that's occurred in this country in the
last I don't know decade or so red versus blue.
We've seen, as you describe it, you know, from sort
of post World War two frame this right's expansion, this
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increasing and growing nationalization of rights, and now we're seeing
that regression state by state. I started to see it
a number of years ago in a deeper way, when
I started to reconcile the fact that I'm on the
receiving end of CRTDI E. S G. Anything with three letters.
They've seen it started a shape shift, and we start
to see that with Ron DeSantis in particular, Abbott in
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many respects without as much fanfare, starting to sort of
rewrite history, sensor historic facts, more evidence we need. With
Smithsonian and what's going on there. And I started to
see it as it relates to curriculum being changed. I
saw it with books that are being bannedly or books
even worse that are being changed, like social studies books
where they're taking the race of Rosa Parks out of
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the book because it's a quote unquote two woke as
it relates to the history of the civil rights movement.
And so this this this this nationalization of rights that
now seems to be moving backwards to pre nineteen sixties
construct It just occurs to me now to the extent possible,
states can assert themselves, like California, states that might just
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be able to punch a little bit above their weight
that that we can lay a little bit more claim
to recognizing this moment in history and pushed back and
move back, I think to our better angels where we
truly are, as Adam Schiff said today, you know sort
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of marking that that that that that sort of infamous
MLK frame that you know that that arc of history
ultimately been towards just and I just feel like it's
getting increasingly out of our grasp and we've got to
pull that arc back down.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, you did something else very interesting though in your
speech that speaks to that, and that is that really
since well, at least for the last twenty years, and
I would push it back for twenty before that. There's
been a tendency among the rhetoric of the radical right
to demonize democratic states, especially California and New York, but
especially California. And you actually took on Texas today, and
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you also spoke up very powerfully about having pride in
the things that make texts that make California great. That too,
I thought was an important rhetorical shift.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I appreciate that. I looked around the room as people
are cheering. It's the most diverse crowd and the most
diverse city, the world's most diverse democracy. It's the point
of pride. It's all at stake. We don't say it enough.
You know. Why is California the fourth largest economa. I
appreciate you recognizing that it's not despite that diversity, it's
because of it. We get first round draft choices. Around
the rest of the world. The best, in the brightest
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come to California. States like California, other large states across
this country because they see, they feel seen and heard,
they feel sense of belonging. That's what makes this country great.
That's what's made America great. Lady torch, you know, the
Lady Liberty's torch, you know, the life force as Reagan said, yes,
Ronald Reagan himself, of New Americans. That's our greatness. And
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all of that is at risk. That's what the Border
Patrol was sitting there trying to disabuse us of. I'm
not gonna We're not gonna let Donald Trump wreck that,
and I'm not you know, there's I'll acknowledge each other.
There is. There's definitely I submit Trump to arrangement syndrome,
but they're sure as hell is California derangement syndrome. We
have more scientists, engineers, more researchers won't know about laureates
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than any other state in America. Just think about the
UC system that he's attacking. Thirteen thou eight hundred active patents.
There's no other universites on planet Earth with more patents.
You care about national security, you care about economic progress,
You care about innovation and entrepreneurialism. You care about dominating
the next century and globally and otherwise, you sure as
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hell better care about those institutions. All of those are
at risk with the rule of don Well, I hope
it's dawning on people what's at stake.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, the contrast of ice being there, as you said that,
because of course economists one thousand percent bear out exactly
what you just said here was a striking moment. It
was also, I thought, a very striking moment that Trump
and the MAGA Republicans especially I'm thinking of somebody like
Stephen Miller right now, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff,
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have made it a point really to talk about how
terrible America is, that it's American carnage, that there's you
know who is it. The Senator from Oklahoma today, Mark
Wayne Mullins said he drives around Washington without a seat
out because he's afraid he's going to get carjact. I'm like, dude,
come on, like really, you know, it's been.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
A lot of time in the carj act in his
state than he is in these blue states. I remind
everyone watching eight of the top ten murder states in
America are red states. You've got you talk about speaker.
We didn't talk about the speaker of the Als Johnson.
His district has six or eight times more murder rate
per cabit in than Nancy Pelosi's why the hell isn't
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Trump sending the National Guard in to deal with the
carnage in Speaker Johnson's backyard. It's all bs, it's all performative,
but it's all very real. And that's why we need
to sober up. We need to act differently. It's time
we have to get back on the offense. It's time
we shape shift the conversation, time we dominate and flood
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the zone on the narrative. And it's time we call
out the bullshit. She's my language. I know there's a
lot of it. A lot of us are swearing a
lot more that we used to, and I forgive me,
but the reality is we're in a new reality and
our Democrats, and I think the biggest problem with our
party right now is the sense that we're weak. That
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were we and it's time to disabuse people of that.
We have power. We need to start exercising it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Okay, you said a bunch of things there that I
think are really important agency offense and defense of the
qualities that have always made America great. And you referenced
Ronald Reagan there the last public speech he Gave talked
about how important immigration was to making America stay on
the top of its game, constantly innovating, constantly being the
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best in the world because we welcome new people, and
that he said, if we stopped that, we would cease
to be America, we would cease to be the country
we were. And I think we're seeing that.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I mean, look, it's we've had a formula for success
in this country and and and I mean for everybody
we've been there, we've got for all the challenges and
we have we have we have. It goes without saying
we have all these pre existing conditions. But we have
been the envy of the world. And these guys are
trying to wreck it. They're trying to wreck it, and
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they don't know what the hell they're doing. Trump doesn't
know what the hell he's doing. And you have all
of these people that are complicit and they're shaking their head. Yes, sir.
In the worst part, Heather, it's some of the wealthiest
and most connected people that are selling out. That's why
if Harvard does this, they will sell out higher education
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in this country. It is a shame, it would be
a disgrace. You have some of the wealthiest business leaders
selling out allowing their companies to be nationalized socialized there,
I say, we cannot allow that to happen. People are scared.
I'll tell you what. We have some people that want
to contribute this campaign. They're scared of the retribution from
the son of a bitch. I mean, now, this is
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how bad it is.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Let me just explain for people and may not have
been following it, that, in fact, the Trump administration has
been exercising really quite unusual control over government mergers. For example,
they've been requiring fifteen percent kickbacks on the sale of
certain kinds of chips to China and so on, and
there is a real concern that this is a form
of state capitalism that looks a lot more more like
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China than it looks like our free labor system. But
while we're on that topic, though, Governor, what about your
new I think you have a very new approach to
how you were taking on the Trump administration. And I
know that I've been reprinting you, and certainly a lot
of people have been retweeting you. Why did you make
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the decision to do what you're doing? Can you explain
it to us and say, if you know where you
think it fits in this fight that we are on
to protect American democracy.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, look, I I have we all have a cell
by date, and I'm not going to dream of regretting.
I'm putting out all the putting all out on the line,
and I'm just I'm I I've never been more concerned
about this country and for them, out of the world
that we're living in. And I'm I recognize the power
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of communication. I realize the power of the narrative. We
talked about a moment ago at least I asserted the
imperative of claiming the narrative. And and I'm just iterating.
I'm constantly iterating. So I got a podcast. I'm just
trying new things, and I'm there's humility in that, there's grace.
I'm just trying to see what works. And I, you know,
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decided a few days ago with the team to mimic
a little bit of the childishness that is Donald Trump
and what he puts out on truth social at all
cats exclamation, exclamation, And you know, I don't know, some
refer to as a parody of sorts, but it's been
a potent communication tool because people are now talking about it.
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I'm getting people that never reach out to me, that
don't care much about politics, can't stand politicians. I just
want to talk to me about sports or culture, saying hey, wait,
I saw your tweet. Kind of like that, all of
a sudden, they're paying a little bit more attention, and
they're maybe paying attention to the childish nish that is
Donald Trump, that we've allowed him to normalize the way
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he communicates, talking down to us, talking past us, and
so yeah, we're iterating, we're trying new things. I'm not
trying to claim anything except a willingness to try, a
willingness to learn again. As I said, the humility and
grace of the moment that it recorders.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Do you want to tell this audience what you said
in response to a question about it at your press
conference after the speech.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, I mean I just I basically reinforced a little
bit more succinctly what I just said. Look, how it's pathetic.
He's the president of the United States, the president of
the United States of America, and he's sitting there at
one to two in the morning with all caps and
it just anyway, I don't know, I don't know how
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many more I'll have of those tweets. But if you
haven't checked out some of my tweets go online, you
may enjoy a few.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I believe you said. If you have a problem with
my tweets, you sure should have a problem with the
President of the United States making those tweets exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I mean, I got kids, and I got how do
we have a whole generation of people who thinks this
is normal. It's not and it can't be normalized. And
that's a big part of what we're also pushing back against.
Pay attention everybody, please, please, please please pay attention to
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So I have just two very quick questions for you.
One is, I'm not going to ask you how you
think Trump will respond, because we don't know. That's one
of the reasons we sort of have to take it
on a moment by moment basis. But do you have
a series of plans in place depending on how he
responds to this, because he will. That was a red
flag to a bull.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Boy, he responded today. Border patrol was out there for
a reason. That wasn't done, that wasn't abitstance. That's that's
I mean, that's a that's an orbon you know Turkey Playbook.
I mean that was just you know, that was a yeah,
that's as I said, weakness masquerading his strength. But again
it was a masterclass of making our point, not his point.
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He made no point. He made our point of what's
at stake. So that's how I react. He's reacted by
saying I should be arrested. Onder what basis he said, Well,
because he was elected govenant. I mean, you can't make
this stuff up. So look, I'm not naive. He's reacting.
He's trying to wreck California. He's you know, he's trying
to wreck the only high speed rail system in the
Western hemisphere. He's trying to go after US as relates
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to the institutions of higher learning, any independent any place
that cultivates independent thinking. Donald Trump is going after any
institut tuition that cultivates independent thinking. And that should sober
everyone up, not just Californian, not just Californians, not just
elected officials. I'm fine. The fifteen year old that had
(28:12):
a gun pulled to his head, who's disabled trying to
go to school last week, He's not the rest of
his life. He's going to have that image of a
gun that was put to his head by Ice agents.
So that's what the hell do we need to sober up?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So that's my fine. That is my final question for you.
You talked about agency, you've talked about new things in
new ways to approach the protection of democracy. You've talked
about what you are doing. What should the American people
be doing to support the democratic project right now? Because
everybody wants to do something. The popularity of this administration,
(28:52):
you know, is in the toilet. The people who support
Project twenty twenty four, about four percent of Americans support
it when they know what it is. What should people
be doing to support the protection of American democracy?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's the right question. And I think about this all
the time. I get this question all the time. What
he's trying to do, the shock and awe is trying
to just just weigh us down, try to distract us,
try to exhaust us. We're just overwhelmed, and as a consequence,
we just sort of stand back and step down and
just get lost and you know online and doom scrawling, etc.
(29:33):
We can't allow him to allow us to fall prey
to cynicism and fear. And I want everyone listening to
know they're the antidote to that cynicism and fear. The
fact that you're even watching this, if you are, even
if you came here because you can't stand me, you're
the antidote to that cynicism. Fair You haven't given up,
You haven't given it, And I think the answer is
(29:55):
not complicated. Just be yourself, say what you think, learn
from don't follow others, express yourself, do so in a
responsible way. Don't talk past people, don't talk down to people.
All of us want to be loved. All of us
need to be loved. We all want to be protected,
connected and respected. Have that in your heart, but be
(30:16):
accountable by exercising your voice. Show up. It inspires people.
And that No King's Day you inspired me. I wasn't
sure that that was going the big two hundred and
fiftieth anniversary, big birthday bash. I honestly didn't know I
was going to go, like I'm starting to feel it.
If I'm feeling it and I have this bullypole with
this gift, I can imagine how many people are feeling.
(30:36):
But you showed up, and I mean you put wind
in my sale. I mean, like, thank you for having
our back. The fact that we've even gotten this far
with the legislature and with our Congression. I mean, this
is amazing. Thank you, Thank you for not giving up.
Keep at it seriously, like proud, just as a guy
(30:58):
who's the ex governor of California, the guy who's trying
to raise four kids used to be decent people. I
don't care if they're Democrats Republicans. Just want to be
good human beings and I want them to have the
privileges that all of us have, the freedoms, the liberties,
the ability to live their lives out loud, and those
things you can't take for granted anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Amen, Governor Newsom, thank you so much for being with us,
and I hope we do this again sometime. Best of
luck to you, and best of luck with this project.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I appreciate honor to be with you. Seriously, take care.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Everybody, Thank you, everybody.
Host
Gavin Newsom
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