April 28, 2022 • 28 mins
Paris gets Deep...with Deepak Chopra.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Paris. Hey guys, so we are back with
another wellness Wednesday. Today we have the legend the icon
Deepak Chopra. I thought you were going to say me
(00:23):
and the other icon, Lucas Gauge. Let's do this, Hi, Paris,
so nice to be with you again. Nice to be
with you again as well. This is my friend Lucas. Hi.
I'm such a big fan of you. I just did
your twenty one day meditation with Oprah and you changed
my life. So I'm obsessed with you. Thank you, Luka.
(00:49):
So you've been a pioneer of mindfulness of meditation for decades.
Did you ever imagine it would gain the popularity it
has now? I did not, Paris. I started my gin
almost forty five years ago and discovering what are now
called the molecules of emotion like serotonin, opiates, oxytocin um
(01:11):
and so on, and I knew there was a connection
between mind, spirit and body, but there was no proof.
Now we know that meditation and mindfulness actually changes your
gene expression. We did a study with Harvard and UCSF
and Scripts and the Choke Pro Foundation which is a
(01:33):
non profit, and in a one week retreat we found
that people who are doing these practices, the genes that
cause anti aging and the genes that cause healing and
self regulation and homeostas has went up some seventeen fold.
The genes that cause inflammation associated with chronic disease like Alzheimer's, etcetera,
(01:59):
cancer and down the level of the enzyme telmeris, which
controls how we age, went up fort so during this
one week at least we showed reversal of aging. So
now we are in launching something called the Longevity Experiment
to see how we we combined meditation, mindfulness with something
(02:20):
called signal molecules, which are molecules that help DNA repair
itself and also realign and regulate metabolism. We could extend healths,
plan and longevity almost indefinitely. Wow, that's fascinating. I need
to do this. I have a question for you the
(02:45):
park Um in your twenty one day, there's one that
really sticks with me. There's there's a mantra or the
thing that you say about talking about connecting to your
childlike playfulness and my activity. That one is one of
my favorite ones that you do. And afterwards there's a
mantra that you give us and I have a little
bit of trouble with this mantra. But there's something that
(03:08):
Paris used to say when I used to watch her
as a kid, that was very playful and fun and
it was sanasa And could I use that as the
mantra after that that could connect me to this playfulness
like bless you can. And the mantra is just an
(03:28):
instrument to anchor you into the experience and that memory.
So if you if that memory elicits wonder, curiosity, playfulness, joy,
then that's your anchor. Use it. And what do you
think that we're rid of our playfulness and our wonder
(03:49):
and our curiosity as we get older? Why does that diminish?
It's called education, which is overload. The original meaning of
education is a do core to bring out what is
already at the core of a human being. So there's
a saying in the meditation traditions, every child that is
(04:11):
born is proof that God has not yet given up
on human beings. But God has competition. It's called education.
On education now is not bringing out what the potential is,
but loading people with information. If I need information, I
can google it. I don't need to go to school
(04:32):
to put it. And yet our school systems are totally
screwed up because they're not they're not bringing out the
full potential that is there in any child. All you
have to look at a child and see wonder, curiosity, playfulness, joy, love, empathy,
compassion sparkle in their eyes. And then he said, no, no, Now,
(04:55):
this is your name, Lucas, your Christian. This is the
school you go child, and this is your economic stage
is no yes food mm hmm. Well, I'm glad that
I dropped out early, but I definitely still was affected
by a lot of this education, and I think it
it did diminish some of the joy and some of
(05:16):
the wonder and curiosity. I think one of the that's
one of Barison's secrets. She still has that in it.
She does. Yes, ye flower child forever, that's it. M
h yeah, I totally agree with that, just like I don't.
(05:40):
I've always felt like I have that childlike quality and
I feel like a kid at heart always, and I
don't know, I think that's just like a great way
to be because when you lose that, I feel like
you lose yourself. Yep, and absolutely boring and beyond. So
(06:00):
do you think like all the stress of the pandemic,
and everything that's happened over the past two years is
caused people to want to learn more about meditation and healing. Yes,
you know, there have been many many pandemics in the
last three years. One is, of course, the COVID. The
second is a lot of people lost their jobs, so
there was a financial pandemic, But the most important pandemic
(06:25):
was stressed, which is the perception of threat where they
feel unsafe, whether it's psychologically, emotionally, or anyway financially, and
that really was aggravating even what was happening with the pandemics.
So our research showed that those who were stressed, those
(06:45):
who had chronic illness like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, those
who were depressed, those who were anxious, and those who
had inflammation were more prone to getting sick from the pandemic.
Now you say elderly people, yes, but what about the
(07:06):
young people who some of them were dying, some of
them were in respirators, They had what are called inflammatory storms.
Their body was flooded with inflammation, which is their bodies
on fire metaphorically speaking, and all of them had severe
anxiety and depression at the same time. Now, our research
(07:29):
also shows that low grade anxiety and low grade depression
and low grade inflammation predict disease by decades. So if
you catch them early, then you can actually prevent that
from happening. And that is one of the things that
we're engaged in right now. You know, you start to
give people the experience of what it is to be joyful.
(07:54):
I don't know if you know this, Paris, but right now,
the second most common cause of death and teenagers suicide.
Every forty second, somebody in the world is dying from suicide.
And we've started, through our foundation a campaign called Never Alone,
where we don't want anyone ever to feel that they're isolated,
(08:16):
and we give them attention, appreciation, affection, joy and acceptance,
and then they create their own communities. The answer to everything, everything,
all human suffering is a pandemic of joy. And that's
what we should be all doing, creating a pandemic of joy.
I love that till it's incredible. I hope the next
(08:40):
pandemic is joy too. We'll help us spread it. You're
doing it already, but by having me on your podcast,
sound grateful. We're grateful to have you. Yeah, we're grateful
to have you your your so accomplished, and you're constantly
busy doing so many podcasts. Do you ever get stressed
out an anxiety about all of your today? You know?
(09:02):
I asked myself only to three questions. Is it fun?
Number two? Am I hanging out with people who are
fun to be with? And number three? Does it alleviate suffering?
If I can say yes to all those three, I
do it. There's no stress. I love that. I need
to incorporate that I'm an actor. I'm not as cool
(09:23):
or important as Paris. But sometimes my thoughts and my
anxiety getting the way. Like at work, I sometimes think
that and I have to remember what you teachers like.
We are in our thoughts and we are in our body.
But in the moment it's hard to disconnect from your
thoughts when you're thinking, am I bad at this? Do
I suck? Am I messing up? What would you suggest
(09:44):
in those moments because you can't tell yourself, just don't
think these thoughts. Don't be stressed out, don't be anxious.
It makes it worse. What do you do in those moments? Look,
I see you're not the first one. You know. I
used to work with Michael Jackson and I worked with
a lot of people who are very famous for that talent,
you know, either as singers or as performers or actors,
(10:08):
and they are all hud percent of them have what
is called performance anxiety. And so within limits, that's a
good thing because it is the wisdom of insecurity that
makes you want to achieve more and more. Right, But
if you have too much of it, then you judge
yourself only as your last big hit. And you know,
(10:32):
if you've had a few hits, big accomplishments, then you
become nervous. Am I going to be able to do
it again? And so when that performance anxiety goes out
of control, then it's damaging. A little bit is good
makes you perform better, you know. As I said, I
call it the wisdom of insecurity. But then my advice
(10:55):
to you is when you're performing, be in the process.
Don't be thinking about the result. Okay, So like when
I'm looking enjoying a good song, I'm not thinking of
the ending of the song, right, I'm enjoying the song.
When you dance, you're not thinking when is this going
to end? You're dancing. So when you're performing, just performed
(11:19):
with passion, with what is be a PhD in performance
called passion, hunger and drive. That's it. I love that
be in the process. Don't be resolved orientated. I need
you in my ear at all times. This is paris.
(11:45):
So your new book is called Abundance, The Inner Path
to Wealth. What does abundance mean to you? And how
can we have abundance? And times of fear and insecurity? Okay?
So you know, interestingly enough, the thought came to me
to write this work after I heard the lyric from
Bob Marley which said some people are so poor all
(12:06):
they have is money, and I started to think about that.
You know, I started thinking money by you true love?
The answer is no, and money by you compassion, insight, intuition, imagination.
Can money by get rid of the fear of old, age,
infirmity or even death? And the answer is no. So
(12:29):
then I started to do some research on what makes
people happy and feel abundant and I actually found there's
something called the happiness equation. So the happiness equation has
three things once you set point in the brain, and
that is some people who are people who are unhappy.
They're always condemning, complaining, criticizing, playing, the victim on the
(12:52):
other and people who are happy they always seek opportunity,
even in the midst of um adversity, but they also
give each other and themselves attention, appreciation, affecsion, and acceptance.
Money is important in order to have a abundant life too,
(13:16):
but if it becomes your identity, then you confuse yourself
with yourselfie. I'd like to say that you're not yourself,
you're yourself, and so your net worth and yourself worth
a two different things. If you think your net worth
gives yourself worth, then you should seriously think about it.
(13:36):
So money adds about ten to twelve percent every day
in our happiness experience. The third component is the choices
we make every day. So there are two kinds of
choices we make every day. Once for personal pleasure, things
like you know, alcohol or shopping, or entertainment or sex,
and these make us happy too, but only for a
(13:58):
short time, and then we have to beat the same experience.
And if you have an addictive personality, then we might
get addicted to what is called pleasure, and now pleasure
becomes painful. So we should make choices for personal pleasure.
But within moderation, there's another kind of choice we make,
and that is for what people call fulfillment. And you
(14:21):
get fulfilled when you have meaning and purpose in life.
But the fastest way to be happy is to make
another person happy. And so when I looked at that equation,
then I said, abundance is generosity of spirit. It comes
from our source and includes money, but it also includes
love and belongingness. It includes it includes meaning and purpose,
(14:47):
It includes creative insight, intuition insight. It also includes the
grace of as you grow older, you don't stop growing old.
And ultimately it in clues finding your true self, which
is timeless, which goes beyond the fear of death. So
that's true abundance and money is one component. Yeah, I
(15:09):
agree with that completely. I think that money definitely does
not buy happiness, but making others does. Like for me,
to make someone smile and make someone happy and be
the reason for it makes me so happy. And that's
something that I do every single day of my life. Well,
you're a good example. Millions of people would say that,
(15:31):
thank you. Yes, m hmm, I love it. I love
one of your quotes that you have that the first
the first year to the twenty five year is for
growing and learning, and to fifty is for the fame
and success, and then fifty and everything after that is
your true self when you're really getting to know yourself
(15:53):
twenty five. First twenty five is learning, education, fame, and
fortune him third t five is giving back, and fourth
twenty five is what we call self realization, getting in
touch and being intimate with your soul so you go
beyond the fear of death. It's called self realizations. These
(16:16):
are called the four phases in my tradition. I'm already
in my fourth face. And then really look so good. Hey,
you look amazing and you take such a good care
of yourself and it shows, And yeah, I struggle with that.
I'm I'm sure I'll get better with it an age,
but I definitely have a fear of death and the
fear of growing old. You you will get over it
(16:39):
if you get in touch with your true self. And
that's my life's work now, helping people get in touch
with their true self, go beyond their selfie and find themselves.
The body mind is yourselfie. It's not who you are.
I know that. You offer a bunch of steps to this,
like the yoga and the meditation, and focusing your energy.
(16:59):
But like, what is what do you? What do you think?
Like the first tool you would give in staying present
would be if you if someone was just starting in
this practice, Yeah, just stop once in a while and
ask yourself and my present that's it, that's simple. Am
I present? Rights simple? I'm a president right now. Asking
(17:20):
that question brings you into the present. You know, I
just realized when I said that, I just took a
breath and realized I wasn't even breathing. There you are.
It's so interesting. So what your breath to your breath
is a sign of whether you're present or not. You know,
be with your breath. You know, this is the Buddha's
(17:40):
original teaching. You know, he got in touch with his breath.
And if nothing else, take twenty for us just to
focus on your breath. Take a day off and focus
on your breath for about two or three hours if
you can do it, or even one hour. Then get
into the habit of stopping once in a while and
being aware of your breath and asking that same question,
(18:04):
what that thank you? I feel like it's so hard
for me to do that as well. Like I'm so
a d D like I can't even do yoga, I
can't meditate, I can't relax, like on, my mind is
moving so fast. It's like so many many things happening,
like how like how do you relax and like meditate
because I literally have no idea. Well right now, Paris,
(18:27):
there are so many aids, including artificial intelligence apps. We
have ad app called Chopra Chopra Global, we teach meditation
and online. But as you, I know you are very
big in this whole meta verse an FT world. We
are creating something called meta human apps. And we just
(18:50):
finished and immersive experience our foundation with the van Go
Museums and something called Lighthouse, so you can go into
the museum for about a half our show and you
can have the same experience that you would with deep meditation.
And as we enter this so called better verse, with
(19:13):
all that's happening in the NFT community and the artists,
I think there will be very many ways to get
people into the same space. Some people get through that
space through music, some people through dancing, some people through yoga,
some people through breathing, some people through poetry, some people
(19:35):
through visual art, some people through this new digital art.
So when we bring it all together. I think there's
no one way to get into that space, but the
space is always available to you. It's the space between
your thoughts, so that it is your thought that messes
(19:56):
you up, you know, but there's a space between every thought.
The more we can expand that space between thought or
between breadth, or between any perception, and these new technologies
that are immersing emerging, I think we'll be able to
do that with things like oculus, but even in real time,
you know, by entering into a studio that offers that ability.
(20:22):
You know, you and I were in Dubai last time
when we spoke, but that in Dubai they're creating something
called the Museum of the Future. I was there three
weeks ago, and they're creating these spaces in the museum
where without an oculus you could have the same experience.
(20:42):
M M. I want to check that out. I'm obsessed
with the Mataverse, n f T S and everything, so
I definitely want to check out that project. And also
that are the Southern Museum that sounds epic. Mr Chobor
I was at the n FT Metaverse Museum and Amsternami
and Freak in Paris actually has an exhibit there for
(21:03):
enets and it was the coolest thing I've ever seen.
I was freaking out. It is something because save ad
dout love. It's n f T for Good. So we
just raised money for a million clock for brain injury
and brain trauma. We're now through. N f T is
raising money for rescuing bears from Mongolia, was starting a
(21:26):
school in Nepal, and also for actually creating a show
where the great Apes come to rescue humanity because humanity
is sleepwalking its way to death. So anytime we want
any association with us n FT for Good, we're there
(21:47):
to serve you. That's so cool. Paris isn't to correct
me if I'm wrong, But wasn't yours about mental health
and about your escape the Pink Room when you were
in a dark place and that was your escape. Yes,
I was just kind of like this place that I
would go to when I was dealing with trauma and
the abuse that I was suffering at these schools, and
(22:08):
it was kind of like the safe place that I created.
So I love n f T S that you know,
really represents something like that. Enormously gifted in actually doing
some of the best n f T S there all
right now and making them helpful for the world. So
your your role model for all of us. Thank you,
(22:29):
I mean so much coming from you. This is Paris,
this is seven next letting questions. Yes, what is your
life slogan? Hell, I love that sunrise or sunset? You
(22:54):
can't tell the difference. Yes, do you believe in go us?
I think we're all ghosts. By the time I see you,
the one that I'm seeing is not there. It takes
a little moment too. By the time you hear my words,
you won't um those words have disappeared. So everything we're
(23:15):
looking is a lucid dream in a vivid Now we
are living in ghost land already. They are only ghosts
symbols of am That is so trippy. You're so right,
and I'm sucked right now. I'm sure all of us
are fictional characters in the collective dreamscape. So we're in
(23:39):
a video game. That's right, We're in the simulation. So
that's what the metaverse is, the real metaverse? Oh my god, Yes,
I love you. Okay, what is your favorite body part?
I think we don't have body parts, they're they're actually
activity of the whole. So I would say the very
(24:02):
idea of a body part is a misperception. It's a
magical lie. But if I had a favorite body part,
it would be the brain. But because it controls all
the other body parts were not our thoughts or thoughts
or us. We're not our brain, We're not our body,
but our bodies are when our bodies are in the world.
(24:23):
The world is in our body, is what you're saying. Right,
The world isn't. No, you're not Your body is in you.
You're not in your mind. Your mind is in you.
You're not my God. The world is in you. You
are the creator and the user of your mind, your brain,
your body, which is projecting as the world out there. Wow. Wow, Okay,
(24:48):
I see what you're saying. Um would you want to
hear hearts truth even if it was unflattering or cause suffering.
I think it's very important to be immune to criticism
and not be offended by but to take it as feedback,
so I would not be offended. If you're offended by criticism,
(25:09):
then you'll be offended for the rest of your life.
You get the mercy of every stranger one. How often
do you flost? I flast all the time, whenever my teeth. Yeah,
that's hot, that's all clean clean. You need to floss
(25:31):
our brains too, Yes, I need to floss my soul. Yes,
don the flows. Soul is always pure. It's the mind,
the brain that needs the floss. I don't know if
mine is pure. Honestly, totally thank you will be after this.
Thanks I do. I'm truly with my two biggest icons
(25:54):
and legends right now. I felt so grateful to be
in the very same matter room with you two. Wow. Yes,
And our last living question is what is your favorite holiday.
I'm on a perpetual holiday. I think my vocation is
my vacation, so every moment is a holiday for me.
(26:16):
You know, the word holiday comes from the word holy day,
so every day is holy. I like it. We should
start treating every day as a holiday. I thank you
do a much joyful world. Yeah, celebrated. The life is
to be surprised. You know that we take our life
and our existence for granted. Is the biggest mystery to me.
(26:40):
If you're perpetually surprised with existence, holiday every moment. I
like that. That's one of the clotes in my book.
One of the quotes is you should treat every day
like it's your birthday. Yeah, every day is a new day,
every moment is new. Look out, look at the world
(27:02):
as if for the first time. Guys, I think that
we need to do a wellness retreat with the two
of you, and I think the whole world would be
such a better place if it would. Let's do it.
Whenever you guys are ready, let's do it. I'm ready,
I'm ready to let's go. Oh, thank you so much.
(27:23):
We're so honored to have you, both of you. Lucas,
thank you, Paris, and stay in touch. Okay, definitely, Okay,
God listen you bye bye. So that was so much
fun and Lucas, I loved doing that with you. I
can't wait to do more. And yes, me too. Thank you,
(27:48):
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This is Paris. Hey guys, so we are back with
another wellness Wednesday. Today we have the legend the icon
Deepak Chopra. I thought you were going to say me
(00:23):
and the other icon, Lucas Gauge. Let's do this, Hi, Paris,
so nice to be with you again. Nice to be
with you again as well. This is my friend Lucas. Hi.
I'm such a big fan of you. I just did
your twenty one day meditation with Oprah and you changed
my life. So I'm obsessed with you. Thank you, Luka.
(00:49):
So you've been a pioneer of mindfulness of meditation for decades.
Did you ever imagine it would gain the popularity it
has now? I did not, Paris. I started my gin
almost forty five years ago and discovering what are now
called the molecules of emotion like serotonin, opiates, oxytocin um
(01:11):
and so on, and I knew there was a connection
between mind, spirit and body, but there was no proof.
Now we know that meditation and mindfulness actually changes your
gene expression. We did a study with Harvard and UCSF
and Scripts and the Choke Pro Foundation which is a
(01:33):
non profit, and in a one week retreat we found
that people who are doing these practices, the genes that
cause anti aging and the genes that cause healing and
self regulation and homeostas has went up some seventeen fold.
The genes that cause inflammation associated with chronic disease like Alzheimer's, etcetera,
(01:59):
cancer and down the level of the enzyme telmeris, which
controls how we age, went up fort so during this
one week at least we showed reversal of aging. So
now we are in launching something called the Longevity Experiment
to see how we we combined meditation, mindfulness with something
(02:20):
called signal molecules, which are molecules that help DNA repair
itself and also realign and regulate metabolism. We could extend healths,
plan and longevity almost indefinitely. Wow, that's fascinating. I need
to do this. I have a question for you the
(02:45):
park Um in your twenty one day, there's one that
really sticks with me. There's there's a mantra or the
thing that you say about talking about connecting to your
childlike playfulness and my activity. That one is one of
my favorite ones that you do. And afterwards there's a
mantra that you give us and I have a little
bit of trouble with this mantra. But there's something that
(03:08):
Paris used to say when I used to watch her
as a kid, that was very playful and fun and
it was sanasa And could I use that as the
mantra after that that could connect me to this playfulness
like bless you can. And the mantra is just an
(03:28):
instrument to anchor you into the experience and that memory.
So if you if that memory elicits wonder, curiosity, playfulness, joy,
then that's your anchor. Use it. And what do you
think that we're rid of our playfulness and our wonder
(03:49):
and our curiosity as we get older? Why does that diminish?
It's called education, which is overload. The original meaning of
education is a do core to bring out what is
already at the core of a human being. So there's
a saying in the meditation traditions, every child that is
(04:11):
born is proof that God has not yet given up
on human beings. But God has competition. It's called education.
On education now is not bringing out what the potential is,
but loading people with information. If I need information, I
can google it. I don't need to go to school
(04:32):
to put it. And yet our school systems are totally
screwed up because they're not they're not bringing out the
full potential that is there in any child. All you
have to look at a child and see wonder, curiosity, playfulness, joy, love, empathy,
compassion sparkle in their eyes. And then he said, no, no, Now,
(04:55):
this is your name, Lucas, your Christian. This is the
school you go child, and this is your economic stage
is no yes food mm hmm. Well, I'm glad that
I dropped out early, but I definitely still was affected
by a lot of this education, and I think it
it did diminish some of the joy and some of
(05:16):
the wonder and curiosity. I think one of the that's
one of Barison's secrets. She still has that in it.
She does. Yes, ye flower child forever, that's it. M
h yeah, I totally agree with that, just like I don't.
(05:40):
I've always felt like I have that childlike quality and
I feel like a kid at heart always, and I
don't know, I think that's just like a great way
to be because when you lose that, I feel like
you lose yourself. Yep, and absolutely boring and beyond. So
(06:00):
do you think like all the stress of the pandemic,
and everything that's happened over the past two years is
caused people to want to learn more about meditation and healing. Yes,
you know, there have been many many pandemics in the
last three years. One is, of course, the COVID. The
second is a lot of people lost their jobs, so
there was a financial pandemic, But the most important pandemic
(06:25):
was stressed, which is the perception of threat where they
feel unsafe, whether it's psychologically, emotionally, or anyway financially, and
that really was aggravating even what was happening with the pandemics.
So our research showed that those who were stressed, those
(06:45):
who had chronic illness like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, those
who were depressed, those who were anxious, and those who
had inflammation were more prone to getting sick from the pandemic.
Now you say elderly people, yes, but what about the
(07:06):
young people who some of them were dying, some of
them were in respirators, They had what are called inflammatory storms.
Their body was flooded with inflammation, which is their bodies
on fire metaphorically speaking, and all of them had severe
anxiety and depression at the same time. Now, our research
(07:29):
also shows that low grade anxiety and low grade depression
and low grade inflammation predict disease by decades. So if
you catch them early, then you can actually prevent that
from happening. And that is one of the things that
we're engaged in right now. You know, you start to
give people the experience of what it is to be joyful.
(07:54):
I don't know if you know this, Paris, but right now,
the second most common cause of death and teenagers suicide.
Every forty second, somebody in the world is dying from suicide.
And we've started, through our foundation a campaign called Never Alone,
where we don't want anyone ever to feel that they're isolated,
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and we give them attention, appreciation, affection, joy and acceptance,
and then they create their own communities. The answer to everything, everything,
all human suffering is a pandemic of joy. And that's
what we should be all doing, creating a pandemic of joy.
I love that till it's incredible. I hope the next
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pandemic is joy too. We'll help us spread it. You're
doing it already, but by having me on your podcast,
sound grateful. We're grateful to have you. Yeah, we're grateful
to have you your your so accomplished, and you're constantly
busy doing so many podcasts. Do you ever get stressed
out an anxiety about all of your today? You know?
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I asked myself only to three questions. Is it fun?
Number two? Am I hanging out with people who are
fun to be with? And number three? Does it alleviate suffering?
If I can say yes to all those three, I
do it. There's no stress. I love that. I need
to incorporate that I'm an actor. I'm not as cool
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or important as Paris. But sometimes my thoughts and my
anxiety getting the way. Like at work, I sometimes think
that and I have to remember what you teachers like.
We are in our thoughts and we are in our body.
But in the moment it's hard to disconnect from your
thoughts when you're thinking, am I bad at this? Do
I suck? Am I messing up? What would you suggest
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in those moments because you can't tell yourself, just don't
think these thoughts. Don't be stressed out, don't be anxious.
It makes it worse. What do you do in those moments? Look,
I see you're not the first one. You know. I
used to work with Michael Jackson and I worked with
a lot of people who are very famous for that talent,
you know, either as singers or as performers or actors,
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and they are all hud percent of them have what
is called performance anxiety. And so within limits, that's a
good thing because it is the wisdom of insecurity that
makes you want to achieve more and more. Right, But
if you have too much of it, then you judge
yourself only as your last big hit. And you know,
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if you've had a few hits, big accomplishments, then you
become nervous. Am I going to be able to do
it again? And so when that performance anxiety goes out
of control, then it's damaging. A little bit is good
makes you perform better, you know. As I said, I
call it the wisdom of insecurity. But then my advice
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to you is when you're performing, be in the process.
Don't be thinking about the result. Okay, So like when
I'm looking enjoying a good song, I'm not thinking of
the ending of the song, right, I'm enjoying the song.
When you dance, you're not thinking when is this going
to end? You're dancing. So when you're performing, just performed
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with passion, with what is be a PhD in performance
called passion, hunger and drive. That's it. I love that
be in the process. Don't be resolved orientated. I need
you in my ear at all times. This is paris.
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So your new book is called Abundance, The Inner Path
to Wealth. What does abundance mean to you? And how
can we have abundance? And times of fear and insecurity? Okay?
So you know, interestingly enough, the thought came to me
to write this work after I heard the lyric from
Bob Marley which said some people are so poor all
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they have is money, and I started to think about that.
You know, I started thinking money by you true love?
The answer is no, and money by you compassion, insight, intuition, imagination.
Can money by get rid of the fear of old, age,
infirmity or even death? And the answer is no. So
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then I started to do some research on what makes
people happy and feel abundant and I actually found there's
something called the happiness equation. So the happiness equation has
three things once you set point in the brain, and
that is some people who are people who are unhappy.
They're always condemning, complaining, criticizing, playing, the victim on the
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other and people who are happy they always seek opportunity,
even in the midst of um adversity, but they also
give each other and themselves attention, appreciation, affecsion, and acceptance.
Money is important in order to have a abundant life too,
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but if it becomes your identity, then you confuse yourself
with yourselfie. I'd like to say that you're not yourself,
you're yourself, and so your net worth and yourself worth
a two different things. If you think your net worth
gives yourself worth, then you should seriously think about it.
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So money adds about ten to twelve percent every day
in our happiness experience. The third component is the choices
we make every day. So there are two kinds of
choices we make every day. Once for personal pleasure, things
like you know, alcohol or shopping, or entertainment or sex,
and these make us happy too, but only for a
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short time, and then we have to beat the same experience.
And if you have an addictive personality, then we might
get addicted to what is called pleasure, and now pleasure
becomes painful. So we should make choices for personal pleasure.
But within moderation, there's another kind of choice we make,
and that is for what people call fulfillment. And you
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get fulfilled when you have meaning and purpose in life.
But the fastest way to be happy is to make
another person happy. And so when I looked at that equation,
then I said, abundance is generosity of spirit. It comes
from our source and includes money, but it also includes
love and belongingness. It includes it includes meaning and purpose,
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It includes creative insight, intuition insight. It also includes the
grace of as you grow older, you don't stop growing old.
And ultimately it in clues finding your true self, which
is timeless, which goes beyond the fear of death. So
that's true abundance and money is one component. Yeah, I
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agree with that completely. I think that money definitely does
not buy happiness, but making others does. Like for me,
to make someone smile and make someone happy and be
the reason for it makes me so happy. And that's
something that I do every single day of my life. Well,
you're a good example. Millions of people would say that,
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thank you. Yes, m hmm, I love it. I love
one of your quotes that you have that the first
the first year to the twenty five year is for
growing and learning, and to fifty is for the fame
and success, and then fifty and everything after that is
your true self when you're really getting to know yourself
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twenty five. First twenty five is learning, education, fame, and
fortune him third t five is giving back, and fourth
twenty five is what we call self realization, getting in
touch and being intimate with your soul so you go
beyond the fear of death. It's called self realizations. These
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are called the four phases in my tradition. I'm already
in my fourth face. And then really look so good. Hey,
you look amazing and you take such a good care
of yourself and it shows, And yeah, I struggle with that.
I'm I'm sure I'll get better with it an age,
but I definitely have a fear of death and the
fear of growing old. You you will get over it
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if you get in touch with your true self. And
that's my life's work now, helping people get in touch
with their true self, go beyond their selfie and find themselves.
The body mind is yourselfie. It's not who you are.
I know that. You offer a bunch of steps to this,
like the yoga and the meditation, and focusing your energy.
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But like, what is what do you? What do you think?
Like the first tool you would give in staying present
would be if you if someone was just starting in
this practice, Yeah, just stop once in a while and
ask yourself and my present that's it, that's simple. Am
I present? Rights simple? I'm a president right now. Asking
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that question brings you into the present. You know, I
just realized when I said that, I just took a
breath and realized I wasn't even breathing. There you are.
It's so interesting. So what your breath to your breath
is a sign of whether you're present or not. You know,
be with your breath. You know, this is the Buddha's
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original teaching. You know, he got in touch with his breath.
And if nothing else, take twenty for us just to
focus on your breath. Take a day off and focus
on your breath for about two or three hours if
you can do it, or even one hour. Then get
into the habit of stopping once in a while and
being aware of your breath and asking that same question,
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what that thank you? I feel like it's so hard
for me to do that as well. Like I'm so
a d D like I can't even do yoga, I
can't meditate, I can't relax, like on, my mind is
moving so fast. It's like so many many things happening,
like how like how do you relax and like meditate
because I literally have no idea. Well right now, Paris,
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there are so many aids, including artificial intelligence apps. We
have ad app called Chopra Chopra Global, we teach meditation
and online. But as you, I know you are very
big in this whole meta verse an FT world. We
are creating something called meta human apps. And we just
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finished and immersive experience our foundation with the van Go
Museums and something called Lighthouse, so you can go into
the museum for about a half our show and you
can have the same experience that you would with deep meditation.
And as we enter this so called better verse, with
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all that's happening in the NFT community and the artists,
I think there will be very many ways to get
people into the same space. Some people get through that
space through music, some people through dancing, some people through yoga,
some people through breathing, some people through poetry, some people
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through visual art, some people through this new digital art.
So when we bring it all together. I think there's
no one way to get into that space, but the
space is always available to you. It's the space between
your thoughts, so that it is your thought that messes
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you up, you know, but there's a space between every thought.
The more we can expand that space between thought or
between breadth, or between any perception, and these new technologies
that are immersing emerging, I think we'll be able to
do that with things like oculus, but even in real time,
you know, by entering into a studio that offers that ability.
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You know, you and I were in Dubai last time
when we spoke, but that in Dubai they're creating something
called the Museum of the Future. I was there three
weeks ago, and they're creating these spaces in the museum
where without an oculus you could have the same experience.
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M M. I want to check that out. I'm obsessed
with the Mataverse, n f T S and everything, so
I definitely want to check out that project. And also
that are the Southern Museum that sounds epic. Mr Chobor
I was at the n FT Metaverse Museum and Amsternami
and Freak in Paris actually has an exhibit there for
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enets and it was the coolest thing I've ever seen.
I was freaking out. It is something because save ad
dout love. It's n f T for Good. So we
just raised money for a million clock for brain injury
and brain trauma. We're now through. N f T is
raising money for rescuing bears from Mongolia, was starting a
(21:26):
school in Nepal, and also for actually creating a show
where the great Apes come to rescue humanity because humanity
is sleepwalking its way to death. So anytime we want
any association with us n FT for Good, we're there
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to serve you. That's so cool. Paris isn't to correct
me if I'm wrong, But wasn't yours about mental health
and about your escape the Pink Room when you were
in a dark place and that was your escape. Yes,
I was just kind of like this place that I
would go to when I was dealing with trauma and
the abuse that I was suffering at these schools, and
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it was kind of like the safe place that I created.
So I love n f T S that you know,
really represents something like that. Enormously gifted in actually doing
some of the best n f T S there all
right now and making them helpful for the world. So
your your role model for all of us. Thank you,
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I mean so much coming from you. This is Paris,
this is seven next letting questions. Yes, what is your
life slogan? Hell, I love that sunrise or sunset? You
(22:54):
can't tell the difference. Yes, do you believe in go us?
I think we're all ghosts. By the time I see you,
the one that I'm seeing is not there. It takes
a little moment too. By the time you hear my words,
you won't um those words have disappeared. So everything we're
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looking is a lucid dream in a vivid Now we
are living in ghost land already. They are only ghosts
symbols of am That is so trippy. You're so right,
and I'm sucked right now. I'm sure all of us
are fictional characters in the collective dreamscape. So we're in
(23:39):
a video game. That's right, We're in the simulation. So
that's what the metaverse is, the real metaverse? Oh my god, Yes,
I love you. Okay, what is your favorite body part?
I think we don't have body parts, they're they're actually
activity of the whole. So I would say the very
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idea of a body part is a misperception. It's a
magical lie. But if I had a favorite body part,
it would be the brain. But because it controls all
the other body parts were not our thoughts or thoughts
or us. We're not our brain, We're not our body,
but our bodies are when our bodies are in the world.
(24:23):
The world is in our body, is what you're saying. Right,
The world isn't. No, you're not Your body is in you.
You're not in your mind. Your mind is in you.
You're not my God. The world is in you. You
are the creator and the user of your mind, your brain,
your body, which is projecting as the world out there. Wow. Wow, Okay,
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I see what you're saying. Um would you want to
hear hearts truth even if it was unflattering or cause suffering.
I think it's very important to be immune to criticism
and not be offended by but to take it as feedback,
so I would not be offended. If you're offended by criticism,
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then you'll be offended for the rest of your life.
You get the mercy of every stranger one. How often
do you flost? I flast all the time, whenever my teeth. Yeah,
that's hot, that's all clean clean. You need to floss
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our brains too, Yes, I need to floss my soul. Yes,
don the flows. Soul is always pure. It's the mind,
the brain that needs the floss. I don't know if
mine is pure. Honestly, totally thank you will be after this.
Thanks I do. I'm truly with my two biggest icons
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and legends right now. I felt so grateful to be
in the very same matter room with you two. Wow. Yes,
And our last living question is what is your favorite holiday.
I'm on a perpetual holiday. I think my vocation is
my vacation, so every moment is a holiday for me.
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You know, the word holiday comes from the word holy day,
so every day is holy. I like it. We should
start treating every day as a holiday. I thank you
do a much joyful world. Yeah, celebrated. The life is
to be surprised. You know that we take our life
and our existence for granted. Is the biggest mystery to me.
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If you're perpetually surprised with existence, holiday every moment. I
like that. That's one of the clotes in my book.
One of the quotes is you should treat every day
like it's your birthday. Yeah, every day is a new day,
every moment is new. Look out, look at the world
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as if for the first time. Guys, I think that
we need to do a wellness retreat with the two
of you, and I think the whole world would be
such a better place if it would. Let's do it.
Whenever you guys are ready, let's do it. I'm ready,
I'm ready to let's go. Oh, thank you so much.
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We're so honored to have you, both of you. Lucas,
thank you, Paris, and stay in touch. Okay, definitely, Okay,
God listen you bye bye. So that was so much
fun and Lucas, I loved doing that with you. I
can't wait to do more. And yes, me too. Thank you,
(27:48):
Living living, See you guys soon. Thanks for listening to
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