April 1, 2025 • 46 mins
On this episode of Throttle Therapy, Katherine is joined by her former teammate, driver Jack Harvey, to talk about the importance of communicating with your team, perceptions around female drivers, and to give a behind-the-scenes look at the process of negotiating contracts each season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Throttle Therapy with Catherine Legg is an iHeart women's sports
production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You
can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
wherever you get your podcasts. Hey you guys, and welcome
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to this week's episode of Throttle Therapy with Me Catherine Legg.
This week has been it's been a week, you guys.
Behind the scenes of the motorsport world is very different
to how I imagine most people to imagine it, if
that makes any sense. So we do a lot of
work on the commercial side, trying to put ourselves in
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the best position that we can from a team perspective,
from a sponsor perspective, from a serious perspective. And so
there's a lot of day to day stuff. There's a
lot of calls, there's a lot of emails, there's a
lot of presentations, there's a lot of there's just a lot.
So we are dealing with the business side of racing
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and also the physical fitness side of racing, and the
actual driving is the fun bit, the easy bit, because
it's just you and the race car and you're as
prepared as you're going to be, and so I have
been doing a lot of the business side this week,
and it has been It has been a week so
I've been trying to juggle Indye Coast stuff, NASCAR stuff,
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and some pikes Peak stuff too, So I've been going
backwards and forwards and trying to make things happen. It
is not that easy because there are not that many
teams that are willing to do one off races. Most
teams are in it for the championship. And what I'm
trying to do this year is do a lot of big,
cool races. And with one off programs, yes, there comes
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a lot of publicity and attention, but it doesn't come
with the opportunity of winning a championship. So it's been tough,
and it's been a process dealing with IndyCar and trying
to get something put together for the NY five hundred,
and also to continue my hopes and dreams down the
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NASCAR route. You know, I set out to do a
thing and it was a tough start, but it's only
made me dig my heels in more and make me
more determined for the future because I know that I
can do it. So that being said, it's been a
busy week. Things are starting to finally kind of come
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out of the clouds and I can see a way through,
and I can see a path for the rest of
this season, and so I am looking forward to sharing
that with you all when that is concrete. So physically,
this week, I have not achieved everything that I wanted
to achieve. Along with a lot of stress and racing
comes a lot of emotion too, and I'm human, so
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I go through the ups and downs. I've had to
pull myself up and make myself go to the gym
and make myself continue to do the things for my
long term goals whilst trying to put out fires in
the short term. So it's it's it's been a week,
but everybody goes through these ups and downs. It's not
always sunshine and roses. I'm super lucky to have partners
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on board like Elf, who are there fighting with me,
and it does feel very much at times like we
are fighting the fight and we are trying to claw
and scratch our way into these opportunities. But they are
there every step of the way, empowering me to do
these things, and I think it's so important. I think
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it's important because there's me and then there's the next generation,
and Okay, I'm not going to be racing forever. I mean,
I wish I was racing forever, but I'm not going
to be. And so for the next generation to come
up through, we need to make a difference now. And
so I, like I say, I'm just so fortunate that
they're empowering me to do these things so that then
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I can empower the next generation and to do the
same thing. And it's it's kind of now or never, really.
There's a handful of really talented young drivers that are
coming up through the ranks, but they're probably two or
three years away from being in the top level at least.
So we need to keep flying the flag. And partners
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like Elf are supporting me. They're holding me up. They
are the wind beneath my wings. And that sounds so cheesy,
but I'm just so grateful for them and looking forward
to the next chapter, because it's not in the good
times that you realize who your friends are. It's in
the bad times. And so it's been it's been an
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interesting journey since Phoenix and since that all kicked off.
And by that all kicking off, I mean obviously I
made a mistake and the backlash from the fans and
the media is extreme, I would say, and so trying
to navigate that and manage that and know that I
still have support from the people that matter is huge
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and it does lift me up and it does support
me because this isn't easy. It's really not easy. What
I'm trying to do is not easy. What I've done
for the last twenty years is not easy, but it
is amazing and it's making a difference. This week, we
have a very good friend of mine, teammate of last year,
Jack Harvey, on the podcast, and I get to talk
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to him about a lot of different stuff and what
it's like from his perspective, because obviously he gets to
see a little bit of the circus that surrounds being
a girl driver in racing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So welcome to Jack. Today.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I'm joined by one of my most favorite teammates ever,
Jack Carvey, and I say one off because I think
I would piss off a couple of other people if
I failed to mention them too.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So I've been lucky.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I've had it a handful of really good teammates, and
of course you're one of them and also also a friend.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So Welcome to my new podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Thank you, thank you for letting me be here today.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
This is so funny because like we chat so much
and it's never really like formal. It's actually like never formal.
This is probably the most formal chat that we're going
to going to have had. And are you going to
behave Well, that's probably a strong TVD I hope not.
I'm going to put you on the spot here if
you had to pick your top five teammates ever, there's.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You obviously, Alvaro and Andy in the Society, Brian Cellars,
and Alex Rossi he wasn't a teammate for very long,
but he was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Okay, that's out your top five, Then that's my top five?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
What about you?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Okay, I'm going to send this two people who I
think would think that they would be in your top five,
and now it's on, and now it's on, it's on
the record, so.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, now I feel okay.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But in the interest of getting to know Jack Harvey
on this podcast, I have so many questions, But what's
your top five?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Top five teammates?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I put you in.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
There, Okay, just in there, just randomly, like maybe i'd
make the cut challenge.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
This this to me, everyone's on equal names. But I
don't want you to think that's the priority order. It's
just the same thing.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
So you Graham, we've had like such a great bond.
I didn't say Graham, we've had a great bond. I
think just because he's a bit of a legend. Elio
when we had the opportunity to be teammates during the
five hundred and watched him win his fourth which was
pretty pretty gnarly. And then, man if I'm going back
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a little bit further to like former three days, Felipe
Naza was one of my teammates.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And he seems so nice and do you know, he's
such a sweetheart.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
He was my guy crush for like the longest time,
and it was maybe even a bit more than just
like because he's a handsome chap, you know, and he's
got that nice hair, and he's got those great teeth,
and he's tanned, and he's like just such a nice guy.
And then he gets in a race car and he's
like the most well rounded person I've ever been a
teammate with. So actually, now that I'm thinking about it,
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that guy crush really hasn't really gone anyway, I guess it's.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Still firmly, firmly intact. And then.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I've had so many good teammates honestly, I mean, they're
the guys that like immediately come to mind, I would say.
And then in terms of people I respect, I mean,
you know, Christian was super Fast, Kevin magnuson super Fast,
you know, teammates with Carla signs like way way long ago.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think they're all quite great people.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I really haven't had many teammates that I've struggled to
like get along with. But at least the people I mentioned,
then that's my core, that's my core group.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay, So I got so many questions, so many.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
First question, is it different having a girl as a
teammate to have and a dude as a teammate or
do you just see me as another driver?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So I only see you as another driver until it's
time to get changed.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
And then and then I leave respectfully, I leave, or
you know, you not respectfully tell me to get out.
And yeah, I mean, honestly, outside of that, maybe occasionally
I don't make a certain joke.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I very much think you're so cool. And this isn't
a dig at other girls.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
But like you're so cool that I can just be
completely myself like all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So you mean I'm as filthy as you are.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I would probably have left it open for people to interpret,
but yes, that is basically what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Actually people don't maybe they don't know this about you.
Your humor is without any doubt. I mean we went
to the banquet together and like I got to say,
you're looking tens, absolute tens.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, so you come across very you know, not like
not dainty perhaps, but I think people would be shocked
at your level of humor. I see you very much
just as a as like a driver until it's time
to get changed.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But in the race car you come up against me
and okay, I imagine I'm not your teammate for a
second and you're racing me.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Would you think of me any differently to anybody else?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
No, because to be honest, I've been like the whole
time I was go karting and even through like Former
three and whatnot. I mean, maybe it's just the timing
that I came up with, but I mean we used
to be like doing a lot of go karten, like
Alice Powell, you know, and she was great, and then
what was it Michelle getting she's really good to Yeah,
and I mean she was an absolute beast when we
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were go karting in Europe, and I mean she was
one of the hardest people to like race against, truthfully.
So then coming through like early single seat of career,
I wouldn't say that I really competed a lot against
a lot of females. But then you get back to
that top level, you know, of knowing your criteria through
like IMSA and whatnot, and it really was just a
ton of respect through everything that you've done from you know,
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DTM to Champ cards and then racing and imso, which
is when what you were racing when we.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
First met, and then doing IndyCar again doing the five hundred.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I mean, I don't know, I just it's such a
it's such a dated, like old school kind of if
anyone would look at you and be like, oh, that's
just a girl, I'd be like, oh, dude, shut up.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know, thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I appreciate you having my back in more ways than one.
But take it back to you when we were first
like teammates, but not really teammates because you were in
IndyCar and I was in MS and we were both
driving for Mike. Yeah, Shank, didn't you think that I
was super snotty or something when you first met me?
Is that what you said?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I don't know if I thought you were super approachable,
I don't know. He scared me a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And then the thing is, I actually watched that year,
and I think there's been a time or two where
someone may have nudged you and you just have absolutely
nudge them back.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So I was like, I was, you know, like you
give as good as you get in that moment. But yeah,
the first time that you guys.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
All came to five hundred, I was like such a
rookie and I was so fresh still meeting all these people.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yet you guys are all.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
There because of spending the whole time together, and I'm
like the odd one out. And it's not that you
had like, you know, resting face. I just was like,
don't go and say hi. This is like she's not
going to say hi to you.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I would totally have said hi.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And then what was funny was then fast forward like
a little bit of time, so when we get to
like roll and it was like the complete opposite experience,
Like almost immediately, and I was like, Okay, that was
probably a me thing.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I probably just was nervous.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think you were like big badass IndyCar driver at
the time, right and we were driving GT cars.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You should have asked my anxiety if I felt like that,
because I didn't feel like that on the inside. So
maybe I've got you know, resting face too.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Now though I think we all have to a certain extent,
when we're at the racetrack and we're focused on something,
it's like can be a bit vacant, right like, because
you're you've got so many things going on in your head,
and your face doesn't necessarily always give away that you
are friendly and approachable, because I wouldn't say that I'm unfriendly.
But the amount of times that people have told me
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that I'm unapproachable intimidating.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And I don't feel intimidating.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I mean I could, I could, I could see it,
you know, and but only because I love it very
much with you.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
At the same time, where people don't realize they kind
of they realize it, but they don't realize it that
this is our job.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You know. We're very lucky that we get to call
this our job, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But when someone's just you know, typing away in their
office cubicle or you know, their home office or something
like that, they're in the zone.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
They're not having to deal with people.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And don't get wrong, and not that I think we
have it like particularly hard in that department. You know,
it's very much a part of being a driver and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And when you're balancing entertainment and.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Job at the same time, it's just so public that
people just expect us to be.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
On all the time.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And you know, when we're debriefing, like straight after like
use that the Milwaukee test where it was just like
horrible day, you know, like neither happy. I'm probably even
more unhappy than what you were on that day. Like
there's nothing fun about those debriefs, you know. And at
that point, because we understand each other and mutual respects
of being a driver, you accept it like just gonna
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be a little bit like maybe in a bad mood
or like maybe not cracking that joke. But people don't
see that, and I think that's probably where the moment
comes when people think we're not as approachable perhaps, But
then in the same breath, you have a bad encounter
with a fan once that might be the only time
they encounter you.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
So then obviously we have to balance it, and I
think you do a good job of that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Actually, thanks, I think you do.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Because during May, I don't think people realize this, and
you know, perhaps I didn't even and more so this
May when I wasn't driving and obviously you and Nolan
were in the cars for the five hundred and getting
just to kind of watch and you know, kind of
be your shadow through the month and kind of help
where I could and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
My emotional support teammate.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I probably didn't realize how much attention you get from people.
That was probably a bit eye opening. But then also
it then double feeds this whole You've got to be
on all the time, regardless of how it is on track,
but how it is on track so dictates our mood,
which the fans like, that's not their problem, but it
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is something that we have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I was genuinely so shocked how much attention you got,
and some of it, I mean, it's so fantastic.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Like when you see a little girl come up to
you and.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Be like, I want to be you, and I think
that's like amazing, but also it doesn't always come at
a convenient time. It will be like right before qualifying
when we're also like at our peak nerves.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You know, now you want to an orderra exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Think I'm getting better at being more tolerant of that
and realizing that it's the only chance that these these
guys are going to get sometimes, and so I try
and have that one and only interaction be a positive one.
You're always friendly to all the fans, and I love it,
but it's also meant that you've got some crazy stalkers do.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, our problems are our problems,
and trying to explain a bad day in the car,
you know, people are still looking at me like at
least you get to drive a race car, and you know,
sometimes that experience keeps me just like so grounded it's
hard to then be mad. But in the same breath,
like we are competitive people like this is our job
and what happens next year can so many times be
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how has today gone? And even if that's not necessarily
like as black and white as I said it, it
feels it in.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
The moment you're only as good as your last race.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Classic, absolute classic.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
And you know, unfortunately, sometimes we've been on the receiving
end of having a ton of momentum and it lead
into a great opportunity, and then other times where there
isn't a lot of momentum and then you feel that
pressure comes through and then you know, at least for
me anyway, it turns into a bit of anxiety. It
terms up, you know, like what are we going to
do next? And trying to control that I think is hard.
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And I think you would agree with this. I don't
feel like I was any different with you than what
was with Nolan, you know the five hundred and all
I wanted was, you know, for my teammates to have
a successful month, and I just I still just hate
the fact that that shouldn't be an anomaly, that should
just be the standard.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I definitely felt that, and I definitely appreciated the support.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
And I felt it for Noly Baby too.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, he's so poor. I know, he's so cute, and
I wanted it so badly for him.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I saw it was his birthday the other day.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Was it was he twelve?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Well, we really do?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I think he said he was twenty wow, which somehow
the first did you're going from one to two? He
looks older and it low ki made me sad. I'm like, no,
you're You're not just Nolan yet, You're still no only.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Baby I know, but honestly he handled that like an adult,
like a prod. So in the interest of getting to
know Jack Carvey, I'm going to ask you a bunch
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of questions and then you're going to tell everybody how
you got to be a big, badass India driver. Also,
I'm going to start it off with we're obviously both English. However,
there is a rivalry between the North and South, and
I'm going to ask you, as you are from the
North and I'm from the South, what the northerners.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Cool Southerners, Southern fairies.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Southern fairies, okay, we call you northern monkeys.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, I mean, if you're from the countryside like me,
you might get.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
A carrot cuntuer, our country bumpkin, my tractor.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, my chat, I got my combine harvesteryn't they I
have to say, I know why that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I went like, yeah, exactly, I don't know exactly what
happened there.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
But strange well, we'll give it to you, but Lincoln's lovely.
We're both very fortunate in that we have very supportive parents.
Your parents are both amazing, and your dad spent a
lot of this year looking after me too and training.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
My dad as well.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
It was actually so cute actually, like throughout the year
they built like such a.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Nice little like barther bond, you know it was. It
actually was like really cute.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It was. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And it's so hard for them to get it right too,
because I've spoken to.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
My dad about this. But you can have carting.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Dad syndrome right where they're really involved and they're trying
to give you advice, or they can be like our
dads where they just kind of go off for a
beer sometimes and change our visor at other times like
just stood.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
There for support.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So I feel like we definitely want the daddy lotteries, definitely.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And there is a wide wide range of motorsport parents
and their influence being good or their influence being bad,
And I think I would say it's a pretty hot
topic for a lot of people, and I think we
all just hope that our parents fall into the good category.
Obviously we're all biased, but I think in this moment,
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both of ours totally fall into the good category. I actually,
on one of the when we went back from Milwaukee race,
I actually sent my dad to turn three just to
like watch and be like, look, I just need to
know kind of what's like where everyone is, what you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Turning point, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
So there was definitely a pretty pivotal moment because when
we started racing, like my dad was you know, not
like from the start of the weekend. He prepared the cart.
He then drivers there. He was my mechanic, you know,
the decision maker. He was a driving coach. He was
your psychologist. And then worse than that, he was the
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reviewer on the way back.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
But I know, I pretended I was asleep when my
dad was doing that.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
So we had like a like a horse trailer that
we converted because my dad had used to raise like
well it's called autograph, but it's like a sprint car
equivalent sort of deal.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
So anyway, he's used to like.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Them conversions, and the blind just used to I remember
that so vividly. It's like still is triggering for me.
So the blind would come down that separated like the
living space and the front space and He used to
say the same thing every time, and it would be like,
do you want to come for a chat? And I'm
like no, no, no, no, no, on five thanks. And
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if it had gone well, it's like, yeah, let's do it.
If it went bad, it's like no, I'm okay. And
then at eleven years old, you're basically sat in the
front of this you know, semi trailer in the WEEKND,
you know, and it's like, well, why did you do that?
You're like, I don't know, Dad, Like, I didn't mean
to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
What did you think of the age three Sprocket compared
to the eighty two Brocket.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yes, if we started on that, then you know where
would we have been? On my heart?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Like twelve years old?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I know my dad still kind of does that now
with the split times and everything, Like he'll go away
and analyze whatever he has access to and be like, well,
why do you think you're quicker in the middle sector?
You know, bless and so cool?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But yeah, I would say as well.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
The rivalry in the UK is pretty much the what
for gap service station?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So for those of you that don't know that is.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yes, context, it's a gas station just north of London
that really separates out the North and the South, because
actually one thing people don't really realize London is south,
but it's not actually like crazy south on the map.
I don't think middle kind of like middle down a
bit and Lincoln actually is more like middle East. Well
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that's technically our district is north. It's north, but it's
not for the wat for gap and therefore it's the North.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
So like, for example, we live about what three hours
away from each other, maybe more like three and a half,
which for Americans that's not that far right, but for
Brits it's like almost a different country.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's a different country.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
If I have to travel more than forty five minutes
to see someone, I'll plan my week around that.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I still do the same now.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I'm like a nap when I get there.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And all right.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
On the radio, are you cool, calm and collecting? Do
you get riled up?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Do you swear?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Do you comment about other drivers? Like what kind of
a driver on the radio?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I don't talk a ton on the radio. I really
more so just want the info from the team. I
would be lying to say I don't swear, but I
think that's just kind of it's right, it's not like
I think it depends a bit on the situation, Like
if someone's just like cleaned me out, then I probably
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would say something on the radio then, But even that,
it's more so probably for two things. One let the
team know what happened, but also that like I haven't
just crashed on my own, you know, like it's almost
out one of them immediate deflections of like that wasn't
my fault, It wasn't me, it wasn't me. However, they
have been known to be a time or two, the
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latest one being in.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Nashville at the season finale.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Because I don't ask a lot of questions during the race,
Like when the team asked me a question, I give
them the answer, and maybe it's you know, how's the balance?
You tell them what the car is doing, and then
you know, do you want any erroo adjustments? Do we
think we need a tire pressure adjustment?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But then when I start asking questions like I want
an answer, yeap, and when I don't get one, I
can start to get pretty like irate. I think people
also need to understand that like the heat of the
moment isn't how you actually feel it just comes it
just extra comes out this way.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So anyway, I want to final where he starts. The
team said save fuel. I save fuel.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I lost a bunch of spots, and then like six
laps later, they said push and I was like, no,
like we literally if we were going to push, we
shouldn't have saved fuel because now I've already lost all
this track position. And then they're like, okay, we're going
to evalue it. And then they said save fuel and
then it was like nearly, let's push again. And I
was in a way more irritated way than this now
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was like, guys, I don't care what we do, but
you pick one and then let's do it well. Right.
So I don't communicate a lot. I do get a
bit irritated sometimes, and I like communication to be concise.
How's your radio communication?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
My radio communication varies. I would say I made a
big effort lately, like the last two or three years lately,
to try and sound and happier on the radio. So
I'll give you an example. Mike Shank on the radio.
You know what he's thinking by the tone of his voice.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Right, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And so he might.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Say something that means something completely, but you hear disappointment
or you here excitement, oh, whatever it may be. And
so it started me thinking, Okay, you can read me
by the tone of my voice. Even if I say copy,
then you know it's not like so I've made a
big improvement with my tone I think and being concise,
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but I do I suffer the same thing that you
do in that I get a little bit wound up.
I think I said once this year, I'm not a
thing stupid because they they ye, and then I was like,
I'm sorry, but I think they said something about pickup
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or if something happened, and I was like, there's something
wrong with the car, and they're like, it's probably just
pick up and you didn't turn and forty miles an
hour and you're like no, like this is not my
first radio. I'm not stupid, Like please don't put me
in that position. Sure, so I do the same thing
as you do, but I try and be as cool
as calm. I think the people that I have the
most respect for are the ones who are not robotic
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but very emotionally mature, able to control themselves right, like
self control.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think that would be a
really interesting question. Like I almost want to text Don
now people listening. Don was my race engineer this year
and kind of ask him what he felt and like
just say, look, we just want your honest take on this,
because I think when I listened to your radio like
through May, I thought you sounded pretty calm.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Actually, thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Okay, good, I go for that, Try it.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Try it.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And then when you're back on the intercom. So when
we're on track, we still have to use a radio,
which means pushing the button and then the spot has
talked to us or they talked to the team, and
then teams talk to us when you're actually in pit
lane because you get and get connected to the timing stand,
you're on the intercom, so then your.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Mic is live.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And I have more than one time forgotten that my
mic was live.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Or something.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Now I think I just was frustrated about the situation
and just started babbling.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And then actually it was with Mike and he was
like you're on the intercom.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Bub that's like his thing, like yeah, and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Cool, are you another bub? He was.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I got to say I really liked when Mike called
my race because if it was going well, his like
excitement came through and I'm like, yes, let's do it right.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So Christina and I had this conversation and we were
like we desperately wanted Mike's approval. I don't know what
it was about him as a team owner everybody else,
but I wanted him to sound happy with me.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I wanted to do good, okay good. So we've all
got daddy issues.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I haven't dorin with Mike for three years, and I
still feel that way when I have a.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Conversation with him, right same so sor I don't know,
do you know.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
The first conversation I ever ever had with him was
my manager recorded me at the time and said I
need you just to listen.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
And then they explained that Alonso was coming to.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Do the five hundred and Andretti and we were getting
shuffled to Shank and the first one of the first
things he said was like so aware of the situation
and like decent, and I was like, okay, Like he seems.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Like a good dude, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And then the amount of respect that kind of built
up like with him, which feels very reciprocal to like
how how he was with you. I don't know, I
kind of like it because when it's gone bad, like
obviously we know it's not gone great, you know, wheny
yellow is like advance ages and when it kills the race.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And I actually I.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Personally respond to that like not that I want to
like get the downer. I don't want him to be like,
you know, we need to pick it up. But actually
there was this one time at Road America we started
saving fuel and I came on and was like, this
is the stupidest strategy we've ever done. And this was
on the back of several bad strategies, and I think
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he literally just said.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Just drive the car. He's like, hit the number, drive
the car.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I was like, So I came on the radio and
I said, fine, I'm like, but when we stuck at
the end of the race, it's on you.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Then it was like copy and then like a lap
later he's like, good job on the number, keep it up,
and I'm like, yes, boss, let's go. And this isn't
about like, you know, a laf of a half of
like exchange.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I still think radio communications like one of the things
I saw after Vegas, I think it was was the
clerk's message that kind of was circulating on socials, and
I think sometimes if you do just listen to it
in the you know, the raw light of day, it
does sound a bit snotty, harsh and you know, a
bit whiny sometimes and stuff like that, and you know
that's I never want to be on that side. That's
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probably why I say less than say more. But when
you understand that, you know, normally it's a whole experience,
it's a whole year of getting to a point of
you know, frustration or you know, everyone at some point
has their limit.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So anybody can actually tune into our radios and listen
to whoever they want to over the course of the race.
And I would actually suggest that, like, don't scan different radios,
pick somebody who you're following on the radio and on
track and look at their lap times and listen to
the radio for that person so that you get more
of an insight.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I think an interesting one as well for me was
at Milwaukee this year.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
And if I remember in this right, you either had
the fastest lap in race one or you were like
top three fastest laps in race one.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Iowa wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I thought it was Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Actually, but anyway, one of those two, and then I
thought it was Milwaukee because I thought then in Raise two,
I had the same situation where I got a bit
of clear track and we just like ripped around and
the scene came on the radio and like, Okay, that's
the fastest lap of the race at that point. And
I might guys like appreciate the encouragement, but you know,
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calm down and actually, if it turns out like it,
what's And I think that's the other thing that people
don't realize. What we're doing on track is so singular,
like we don't know all the strategy that's playing out.
We don't get to see all the tired egg other
than like what's happening to our car and maybe the
cars around us exactly. So I think having a cohesive
timing stand that knows how to communicate well but also
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keep an open mind like that, to me is one
of the most critical parts.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Of motor racing.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, I agree, And having a timing stand that works
with you and talks to your language, like I often
joke about engineers do they speak Catherine, Because we have
a certain way of giving information, like we talked.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
That hand but actually just sat on mind because I
feel like starting to like creep up, like Ricky Bobby.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, exactly, like Recky Bobby.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh that's such a good movie.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
But I think you either have a rapport with your
engineer and he like reads what the underlying thing is
that you're trying to say, or you don't. And I've
been on both ends of that spectrum, and I think
that it's really important that he gets you too.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And big time. When you came to America the first time,
did you find it hard to translate from a European
like delivery of feedback and like explaining the car.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Because actually, like I did, like what Americans want to
talk about, and like the verbiage they use was different
than what I or I was using, and it took
a long time to really dial into what American teams
are looking for feedback wise, Like I found that hard,
and I'd be curious to know what you thought.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I didn't because I kind of learnt over here. So
my first full season in racing was Atlantics, so I
kind of learned the way of feedback and learning the
car here and then I went back to DTM and
I had the opposite experience because.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I would say gas or wicker or yeah, and they
would all make fun.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
About me to Europe and said gas.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I said gas when you get on the gas and
I got pushed instead of underseer, and like they used
to take the mickey out of me.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Something chronic.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think I'd be okay with like push as well
as understeer.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
But I think there's a few things that caught me
off guard initially that I've had to really work on.
And I actually probably didn't realize that I had made
that adjustment until I was teammates with Christian again, and
then when he came straight in from Europe, and like
rehearing how he was explaining the car was very similar
to what I was feeling and explaining, but the way
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that we said it felt like I'd been in America
for a long time, And I don't know, I was
wondering if that was how your experience there.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Was, but complete opposite.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, So I don't think people understand how hard it
is at the end of every season if you don't
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have a multi year contract, Like how hard it is
and how much you have to scrap and fight and
call and do all the things to find the best
possibility for yourself and ride for yourself next year. And
also how few people in the world have that experience
and how we are both going through that, Like right
(35:43):
now we're trying to solidify our plans, so we're kind
of fighting each other for rides in one way, but
we're also kind of emotional support teammates in other ways.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You're like, well, I've done this, so you're like helping
each other out.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And it's a weird it's a weird dynamic, but it's
also so stressful.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Imagine having to fight for your job every year.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like I don't think try and explain that in like
normal person times.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I feel like you did a nice job.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I mean, it's so rare that people are going to
their job and like, yes, everyone needs to do their
job well right, and you everyone likes to belie they've
got a lot of personal pride and that you're going
to go and do it you know.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
The best you can, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
As is just that every time you're in the car,
you know, like you don't really get afforded many opportunities
to have a bad day, so you are immediately heightened especially.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
You know, the last multi year deal I had was
at ray Hall.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
You know, so this see this season with Dy all
came together super late, so it was a one year contract.
So then immediately we're going into this coming season trying
to figure out what that is.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Is it something in Indy Cars, it's something in sports cars?
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Is it something you know, completely pivoting into commentating or
some form of common true work, And you know you're
trying to at least we have spread a very or
cast a wide net to see what comes in.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
And I mean not to.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Tell people exactly what they are, but we were on
a call and it was about a program that could
potentially keep us as teammates and one that could potentially
be if everything went well, more than one year.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I also know that we've spoken to the same IndyCar team.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Then, as you know, like I really would like this seat,
obviously you really would like that seat.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
And then in the midst of all that, if anyone ever,
you know, went on our.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Instagram page and went on our messages, it's pretty much
just a gift exchange, you know. So I think that
the only way I think you can really combat it
with people in my experience so far is just a
ton of mutual respects and like maximum transparency and at
that point, I know, even more so because of how
good our relationship is.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
There's nothing personal.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
In this, you know, like there's never a moment where
I'm like, oh, well that was a bit underhand or
something like that. I mean, you know, we've been through
the disco dance of how race teams are, you know,
and although you get to see some of the glamorous sides,
you know, racing is.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
A pretty brutal sport from how quickly you.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Can be dropped and changed, and like everything happens and
it feels like it goes at least this has been
my experience, and it's happening like right now in some regards,
like you go like weeks not hearing anything, trying to
stay busy, trying to you know, staying occupied in the gym,
you know, basically being ready if something comes together that
you can maximize it, and then at nowhere it arrives
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and then it's like this whirlwind of events and then
you're like, oh, well, you know I know that we
were looking at that or like you're competing against one
of your other friends doing that and I mean, you know,
kind of silly example, but like was Connor Daily when
he replaced me at roll for Gateway.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
He was actually the person who told me that he
was going to be the driver. Oh wow, you know,
and I.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Was like, look, I mean, unless you are the one
like pushing me out the seat, which I don't believe
was true, then you're not going to send that down
just because you know.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I've gone through a bad time and it is a
really really.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Intricate and I don't want to say awkward, but it
is a little bit awkward.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I think I feel like it's not awkward with you,
but I feel like it's awkward with some people that
I'm friends with but not really close friends with, because
I feel like I can call you up and go, hey,
I know you're talking to such and such team, and
we're talking to such and such team, and this is
where we're at, just so you're aware, because it's just
open and honest and like you don't want to be
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you don't want.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
To hear about it from somebody else.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Like I'd much rather you call me and say, hey,
I've done a deal with such and such team, because
then I know, rather than hearing Jack.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Well, I think that's been the interesting thing about like
all of this is a not to like share our
personal relationship to everybody else.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
But I mean we've had those calls. We've had several
of those, you.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Know, kind of like you know who, not not like
who are you talking to necessarily in like what stages
everything at, but like globally, you know, who are you
talking to? What is like a Katherine only situation? What
could be like a Katherine and Jack situation?
Speaker 3 (40:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
And then the other thing that gets complex about it
as well is when you start introducing sponsors and then
the ability for them to work together. So you know,
I on one of these we had, I mean there
was literally like four different groups and we'd all completely
be entwined and then in a complete same call situation,
different series, It's like we're back to two parties going
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down like parallel road.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Trying to get the same Ryan.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I just feel like when you've got that level of
like mutual respect and trust with people, which typically is
with my closer friends at the track, like the people
I actually want to hang out with when we're not
at the track, to the you know you just yeah,
you know you're just honest with them because they know
it's not personal.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
You know, it's not personal, and you know, just kind
of go from there.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Really, but is it is it's complicated, Well, it's not
complicated if you're prepared.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
To have conversations as well. Yeah, be straight. Okay, last
question and then I will let you go. Well, it's
kind of a two parter though, so amazing, kind of
kind of deeped.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You on that one.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Okay, do you think that ten year old Jack would
be proud of where you're at now? And did ten
year old Jack want to be a race card driver?
Speaker 4 (41:32):
I think ten year old Jack would be very proud
of what of how we are now. Truthfully, I don't
know if at ten years old Jack exactly thought his
career was going to be racing driver.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Wanted to be a footballer, didn't you.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Well I was good at it, you know, you know,
and I say football obviously in America means soccer, but
you know, our football. I was good at it, like naturally,
I would say football soccer was probably my best sport.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I didn't know this about you.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. You know.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
I was the right bill to play in midfield and
had the right speed and like just the right amount
of stamina, you know. So I was decent at football,
and you know, trying to make this sound a nice
because it was a nice thing. My dad's not really
a football guy. He's a petrol head, you know. He
loves being in the garage and you know, working on
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engines and you know, cars and.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Stuff like that. So when I was nine, you know,
he got me a go cart.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
We started racing, and I really didn't super take to it,
like I think, I was like naturally okay at it.
But I only really started to get engaged when I
had friends at the track as well. Because at ten
years old, like me and my friends throughout the paddock
and there's actually a Facebook thread of this somewhere, like
we just run around turning people's generators off. He did, yeah,
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or like you know, kind of being silly, and you know,
at ten years old, like why should racing be that.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Serious at that age?
Speaker 4 (43:00):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's just fun, right.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
You know, it's just fun, I would say.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
The age I really took it seriously, I was like, okay,
but keep applying yourself. You've got like maybe a little
bit of talent at this was probably when I was
like thirteen.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
It was during the season I just started racing in Jicko.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Which at the time was junior into Continental A, and
halfway through that season we were leading the British Championship
and I was like, okay, we could win this, and
then you look at the people who have won it
and you're like, okay, it just ever so slightly put
us on a different path. So to answer that two part,
I think little Jack, I'll send you a picture it
will get a kick out of.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Is me and a cowboy hat in my first go cart.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
I think he'd be super proud of like where we've
when its journey has taken us. But I don't know
if ten year old Jack thought that he was going
to be a professional racing driving he probably more so
hoped he was going to be like David Beckham, and
thirty one year old Jack still wishes that he was
David Beckham a little bit.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, that would be cool, but then I wouldn't have
met Jack.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
I guess no, not like I mean, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Anyway, that's that's my I got my mind going and
we're directions.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
What the football team do you support?
Speaker 3 (44:14):
So I cheer for my hometown team, Lincoln City FC.
Lincoln City FC? What League One? I could feel the judgment.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Liverpool.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Okay, so here's the thing. My Premiership team is Liverpool.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Oh how did I not know that? Either?
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I don't know because I don't know.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yeah, but don't you think when you like when you
break it down like Lincoln's if anyone who's not been
to Lincoln. So we actually live in a village, like
a small village outside of Lincoln, which is a small
town about four thousand miles east of Indianapolis. I think
the fact that we're even here doing it and it's.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
You know, same for you.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah, Like I mean, this is so removed from like
upbringing and like where I families are and everything like
that that you know, I'm sewing awe of what we
get to do, but also what we've worked hard to
try and create. And now I feel like we are
recipients of what most people would classes the American dream,
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even though we aren't American. And I think that's also
why you see us, like, you know, we both choose to.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Stay here like all year round, love going back to
the UK. You know, it's a visit family and you know,
just kind of be there.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
But I've always thought this actually, and I thought this
about you before I even like really knew you. And
maybe it's because we connect as Brits as well as
you know, teammates and also competitors and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
But the fact.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
That you chose to still stay here when there were
no doubt opportunities to go back, I think is a
nice level of reciprocation and appreciation for the opportunity that
we've had by being here.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
And I think that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I think we're very fortunate to have lived the very
unique lives that we've lived. Cool.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Thank you for doing this with.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Me, of course, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Thanks for listening to Throttle Therapy. We'll be back next
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Speaker 2 (46:10):
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to this week's episode of Throttle Therapy with Me Catherine Legg.
This week has been it's been a week, you guys.
Behind the scenes of the motorsport world is very different
to how I imagine most people to imagine it, if
that makes any sense. So we do a lot of
work on the commercial side, trying to put ourselves in
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the best position that we can from a team perspective,
from a sponsor perspective, from a serious perspective. And so
there's a lot of day to day stuff. There's a
lot of calls, there's a lot of emails, there's a
lot of presentations, there's a lot of there's just a lot.
So we are dealing with the business side of racing
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and also the physical fitness side of racing, and the
actual driving is the fun bit, the easy bit, because
it's just you and the race car and you're as
prepared as you're going to be, and so I have
been doing a lot of the business side this week,
and it has been It has been a week so
I've been trying to juggle Indye Coast stuff, NASCAR stuff,
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and some pikes Peak stuff too, So I've been going
backwards and forwards and trying to make things happen. It
is not that easy because there are not that many
teams that are willing to do one off races. Most
teams are in it for the championship. And what I'm
trying to do this year is do a lot of big,
cool races. And with one off programs, yes, there comes
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a lot of publicity and attention, but it doesn't come
with the opportunity of winning a championship. So it's been tough,
and it's been a process dealing with IndyCar and trying
to get something put together for the NY five hundred,
and also to continue my hopes and dreams down the
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NASCAR route. You know, I set out to do a
thing and it was a tough start, but it's only
made me dig my heels in more and make me
more determined for the future because I know that I
can do it. So that being said, it's been a
busy week. Things are starting to finally kind of come
(02:32):
out of the clouds and I can see a way through,
and I can see a path for the rest of
this season, and so I am looking forward to sharing
that with you all when that is concrete. So physically,
this week, I have not achieved everything that I wanted
to achieve. Along with a lot of stress and racing
comes a lot of emotion too, and I'm human, so
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I go through the ups and downs. I've had to
pull myself up and make myself go to the gym
and make myself continue to do the things for my
long term goals whilst trying to put out fires in
the short term. So it's it's it's been a week,
but everybody goes through these ups and downs. It's not
always sunshine and roses. I'm super lucky to have partners
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on board like Elf, who are there fighting with me,
and it does feel very much at times like we
are fighting the fight and we are trying to claw
and scratch our way into these opportunities. But they are
there every step of the way, empowering me to do
these things, and I think it's so important. I think
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it's important because there's me and then there's the next generation,
and Okay, I'm not going to be racing forever. I mean,
I wish I was racing forever, but I'm not going
to be. And so for the next generation to come
up through, we need to make a difference now. And
so I, like I say, I'm just so fortunate that
they're empowering me to do these things so that then
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I can empower the next generation and to do the
same thing. And it's it's kind of now or never, really.
There's a handful of really talented young drivers that are
coming up through the ranks, but they're probably two or
three years away from being in the top level at least.
So we need to keep flying the flag. And partners
(04:20):
like Elf are supporting me. They're holding me up. They
are the wind beneath my wings. And that sounds so cheesy,
but I'm just so grateful for them and looking forward
to the next chapter, because it's not in the good
times that you realize who your friends are. It's in
the bad times. And so it's been it's been an
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interesting journey since Phoenix and since that all kicked off.
And by that all kicking off, I mean obviously I
made a mistake and the backlash from the fans and
the media is extreme, I would say, and so trying
to navigate that and manage that and know that I
still have support from the people that matter is huge
(05:05):
and it does lift me up and it does support
me because this isn't easy. It's really not easy. What
I'm trying to do is not easy. What I've done
for the last twenty years is not easy, but it
is amazing and it's making a difference. This week, we
have a very good friend of mine, teammate of last year,
Jack Harvey, on the podcast, and I get to talk
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to him about a lot of different stuff and what
it's like from his perspective, because obviously he gets to
see a little bit of the circus that surrounds being
a girl driver in racing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So welcome to Jack. Today.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I'm joined by one of my most favorite teammates ever,
Jack Carvey, and I say one off because I think
I would piss off a couple of other people if
I failed to mention them too.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So I've been lucky.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I've had it a handful of really good teammates, and
of course you're one of them and also also a friend.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So Welcome to my new podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Thank you, thank you for letting me be here today.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
This is so funny because like we chat so much
and it's never really like formal. It's actually like never formal.
This is probably the most formal chat that we're going
to going to have had. And are you going to
behave Well, that's probably a strong TVD I hope not.
I'm going to put you on the spot here if
you had to pick your top five teammates ever, there's.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You obviously, Alvaro and Andy in the Society, Brian Cellars,
and Alex Rossi he wasn't a teammate for very long,
but he was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Okay, that's out your top five, Then that's my top five?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
What about you?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Okay, I'm going to send this two people who I
think would think that they would be in your top five,
and now it's on, and now it's on, it's on
the record, so.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, now I feel okay.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But in the interest of getting to know Jack Harvey
on this podcast, I have so many questions, But what's
your top five?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Top five teammates?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I put you in.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
There, Okay, just in there, just randomly, like maybe i'd
make the cut challenge.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
This this to me, everyone's on equal names. But I
don't want you to think that's the priority order. It's
just the same thing.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
So you Graham, we've had like such a great bond.
I didn't say Graham, we've had a great bond. I
think just because he's a bit of a legend. Elio
when we had the opportunity to be teammates during the
five hundred and watched him win his fourth which was
pretty pretty gnarly. And then, man if I'm going back
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a little bit further to like former three days, Felipe
Naza was one of my teammates.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And he seems so nice and do you know, he's
such a sweetheart.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
He was my guy crush for like the longest time,
and it was maybe even a bit more than just
like because he's a handsome chap, you know, and he's
got that nice hair, and he's got those great teeth,
and he's tanned, and he's like just such a nice guy.
And then he gets in a race car and he's
like the most well rounded person I've ever been a
teammate with. So actually, now that I'm thinking about it,
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that guy crush really hasn't really gone anyway, I guess it's.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Still firmly, firmly intact. And then.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I've had so many good teammates honestly, I mean, they're
the guys that like immediately come to mind, I would say.
And then in terms of people I respect, I mean,
you know, Christian was super Fast, Kevin magnuson super Fast,
you know, teammates with Carla signs like way way long ago.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think they're all quite great people.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I really haven't had many teammates that I've struggled to
like get along with. But at least the people I mentioned,
then that's my core, that's my core group.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay, So I got so many questions, so many.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
First question, is it different having a girl as a
teammate to have and a dude as a teammate or
do you just see me as another driver?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So I only see you as another driver until it's
time to get changed.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
And then and then I leave respectfully, I leave, or
you know, you not respectfully tell me to get out.
And yeah, I mean, honestly, outside of that, maybe occasionally
I don't make a certain joke.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I very much think you're so cool. And this isn't
a dig at other girls.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
But like you're so cool that I can just be
completely myself like all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So you mean I'm as filthy as you are.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I would probably have left it open for people to interpret,
but yes, that is basically what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Actually people don't maybe they don't know this about you.
Your humor is without any doubt. I mean we went
to the banquet together and like I got to say,
you're looking tens, absolute tens.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, so you come across very you know, not like
not dainty perhaps, but I think people would be shocked
at your level of humor. I see you very much
just as a as like a driver until it's time
to get changed.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But in the race car you come up against me
and okay, I imagine I'm not your teammate for a
second and you're racing me.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Would you think of me any differently to anybody else?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
No, because to be honest, I've been like the whole
time I was go karting and even through like Former
three and whatnot. I mean, maybe it's just the timing
that I came up with, but I mean we used
to be like doing a lot of go karten, like
Alice Powell, you know, and she was great, and then
what was it Michelle getting she's really good to Yeah,
and I mean she was an absolute beast when we
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were go karting in Europe, and I mean she was
one of the hardest people to like race against, truthfully.
So then coming through like early single seat of career,
I wouldn't say that I really competed a lot against
a lot of females. But then you get back to
that top level, you know, of knowing your criteria through
like IMSA and whatnot, and it really was just a
ton of respect through everything that you've done from you know,
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DTM to Champ cards and then racing and imso, which
is when what you were racing when we.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
First met, and then doing IndyCar again doing the five hundred.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I mean, I don't know, I just it's such a
it's such a dated, like old school kind of if
anyone would look at you and be like, oh, that's
just a girl, I'd be like, oh, dude, shut up.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know, thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I appreciate you having my back in more ways than one.
But take it back to you when we were first
like teammates, but not really teammates because you were in
IndyCar and I was in MS and we were both
driving for Mike. Yeah, Shank, didn't you think that I
was super snotty or something when you first met me?
Is that what you said?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I don't know if I thought you were super approachable,
I don't know. He scared me a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And then the thing is, I actually watched that year,
and I think there's been a time or two where
someone may have nudged you and you just have absolutely
nudge them back.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So I was like, I was, you know, like you
give as good as you get in that moment. But yeah,
the first time that you guys.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
All came to five hundred, I was like such a
rookie and I was so fresh still meeting all these people.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yet you guys are all.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
There because of spending the whole time together, and I'm
like the odd one out. And it's not that you
had like, you know, resting face. I just was like,
don't go and say hi. This is like she's not
going to say hi to you.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I would totally have said hi.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And then what was funny was then fast forward like
a little bit of time, so when we get to
like roll and it was like the complete opposite experience,
Like almost immediately, and I was like, Okay, that was
probably a me thing.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I probably just was nervous.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think you were like big badass IndyCar driver at
the time, right and we were driving GT cars.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You should have asked my anxiety if I felt like that,
because I didn't feel like that on the inside. So
maybe I've got you know, resting face too.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Now though I think we all have to a certain extent,
when we're at the racetrack and we're focused on something,
it's like can be a bit vacant, right like, because
you're you've got so many things going on in your head,
and your face doesn't necessarily always give away that you
are friendly and approachable, because I wouldn't say that I'm unfriendly.
But the amount of times that people have told me
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that I'm unapproachable intimidating.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And I don't feel intimidating.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I mean I could, I could, I could see it,
you know, and but only because I love it very
much with you.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
At the same time, where people don't realize they kind
of they realize it, but they don't realize it that
this is our job.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You know. We're very lucky that we get to call
this our job, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But when someone's just you know, typing away in their
office cubicle or you know, their home office or something
like that, they're in the zone.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
They're not having to deal with people.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And don't get wrong, and not that I think we
have it like particularly hard in that department. You know,
it's very much a part of being a driver and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And when you're balancing entertainment and.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Job at the same time, it's just so public that
people just expect us to be.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
On all the time.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And you know, when we're debriefing, like straight after like
use that the Milwaukee test where it was just like
horrible day, you know, like neither happy. I'm probably even
more unhappy than what you were on that day. Like
there's nothing fun about those debriefs, you know. And at
that point, because we understand each other and mutual respects
of being a driver, you accept it like just gonna
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be a little bit like maybe in a bad mood
or like maybe not cracking that joke. But people don't
see that, and I think that's probably where the moment
comes when people think we're not as approachable perhaps, But
then in the same breath, you have a bad encounter
with a fan once that might be the only time
they encounter you.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
So then obviously we have to balance it, and I
think you do a good job of that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Actually, thanks, I think you do.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Because during May, I don't think people realize this, and
you know, perhaps I didn't even and more so this
May when I wasn't driving and obviously you and Nolan
were in the cars for the five hundred and getting
just to kind of watch and you know, kind of
be your shadow through the month and kind of help
where I could and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
My emotional support teammate.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I probably didn't realize how much attention you get from people.
That was probably a bit eye opening. But then also
it then double feeds this whole You've got to be
on all the time, regardless of how it is on track,
but how it is on track so dictates our mood,
which the fans like, that's not their problem, but it
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is something that we have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I was genuinely so shocked how much attention you got,
and some of it, I mean, it's so fantastic.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Like when you see a little girl come up to
you and.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Be like, I want to be you, and I think
that's like amazing, but also it doesn't always come at
a convenient time. It will be like right before qualifying
when we're also like at our peak nerves.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You know, now you want to an orderra exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Think I'm getting better at being more tolerant of that
and realizing that it's the only chance that these these
guys are going to get sometimes, and so I try
and have that one and only interaction be a positive one.
You're always friendly to all the fans, and I love it,
but it's also meant that you've got some crazy stalkers do.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, our problems are our problems,
and trying to explain a bad day in the car,
you know, people are still looking at me like at
least you get to drive a race car, and you know,
sometimes that experience keeps me just like so grounded it's
hard to then be mad. But in the same breath,
like we are competitive people like this is our job
and what happens next year can so many times be
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how has today gone? And even if that's not necessarily
like as black and white as I said it, it
feels it in.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
The moment you're only as good as your last race.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Classic, absolute classic.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
And you know, unfortunately, sometimes we've been on the receiving
end of having a ton of momentum and it lead
into a great opportunity, and then other times where there
isn't a lot of momentum and then you feel that
pressure comes through and then you know, at least for
me anyway, it turns into a bit of anxiety. It
terms up, you know, like what are we going to
do next? And trying to control that I think is hard.
(17:18):
And I think you would agree with this. I don't
feel like I was any different with you than what
was with Nolan, you know the five hundred and all
I wanted was, you know, for my teammates to have
a successful month, and I just I still just hate
the fact that that shouldn't be an anomaly, that should
just be the standard.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I definitely felt that, and I definitely appreciated the support.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
And I felt it for Noly Baby too.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, he's so poor. I know, he's so cute, and
I wanted it so badly for him.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I saw it was his birthday the other day.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Was it was he twelve?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Well, we really do?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I think he said he was twenty wow, which somehow
the first did you're going from one to two? He
looks older and it low ki made me sad. I'm like, no,
you're You're not just Nolan yet, You're still no only.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Baby I know, but honestly he handled that like an adult,
like a prod. So in the interest of getting to
know Jack Carvey, I'm going to ask you a bunch
(18:31):
of questions and then you're going to tell everybody how
you got to be a big, badass India driver. Also,
I'm going to start it off with we're obviously both English. However,
there is a rivalry between the North and South, and
I'm going to ask you, as you are from the
North and I'm from the South, what the northerners.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Cool Southerners, Southern fairies.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Southern fairies, okay, we call you northern monkeys.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, I mean, if you're from the countryside like me,
you might get.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
A carrot cuntuer, our country bumpkin, my tractor.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, my chat, I got my combine harvesteryn't they I
have to say, I know why that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I went like, yeah, exactly, I don't know exactly what
happened there.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
But strange well, we'll give it to you, but Lincoln's lovely.
We're both very fortunate in that we have very supportive parents.
Your parents are both amazing, and your dad spent a
lot of this year looking after me too and training.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
My dad as well.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
It was actually so cute actually, like throughout the year
they built like such a.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Nice little like barther bond, you know it was. It
actually was like really cute.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It was. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And it's so hard for them to get it right too,
because I've spoken to.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
My dad about this. But you can have carting.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Dad syndrome right where they're really involved and they're trying
to give you advice, or they can be like our
dads where they just kind of go off for a
beer sometimes and change our visor at other times like
just stood.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
There for support.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So I feel like we definitely want the daddy lotteries, definitely.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And there is a wide wide range of motorsport parents
and their influence being good or their influence being bad,
And I think I would say it's a pretty hot
topic for a lot of people, and I think we
all just hope that our parents fall into the good category.
Obviously we're all biased, but I think in this moment,
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both of ours totally fall into the good category. I actually,
on one of the when we went back from Milwaukee race,
I actually sent my dad to turn three just to
like watch and be like, look, I just need to
know kind of what's like where everyone is, what you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Turning point, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
So there was definitely a pretty pivotal moment because when
we started racing, like my dad was you know, not
like from the start of the weekend. He prepared the cart.
He then drivers there. He was my mechanic, you know,
the decision maker. He was a driving coach. He was
your psychologist. And then worse than that, he was the
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reviewer on the way back.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
But I know, I pretended I was asleep when my
dad was doing that.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
So we had like a like a horse trailer that
we converted because my dad had used to raise like
well it's called autograph, but it's like a sprint car
equivalent sort of deal.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
So anyway, he's used to like.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Them conversions, and the blind just used to I remember
that so vividly. It's like still is triggering for me.
So the blind would come down that separated like the
living space and the front space and He used to
say the same thing every time, and it would be like,
do you want to come for a chat? And I'm
like no, no, no, no, no, on five thanks. And
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if it had gone well, it's like, yeah, let's do it.
If it went bad, it's like no, I'm okay. And
then at eleven years old, you're basically sat in the
front of this you know, semi trailer in the WEEKND,
you know, and it's like, well, why did you do that?
You're like, I don't know, Dad, Like, I didn't mean
to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
What did you think of the age three Sprocket compared
to the eighty two Brocket.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yes, if we started on that, then you know where
would we have been? On my heart?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Like twelve years old?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I know my dad still kind of does that now
with the split times and everything, Like he'll go away
and analyze whatever he has access to and be like, well,
why do you think you're quicker in the middle sector?
You know, bless and so cool?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But yeah, I would say as well.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
The rivalry in the UK is pretty much the what
for gap service station?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So for those of you that don't know that is.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yes, context, it's a gas station just north of London
that really separates out the North and the South, because
actually one thing people don't really realize London is south,
but it's not actually like crazy south on the map.
I don't think middle kind of like middle down a
bit and Lincoln actually is more like middle East. Well
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that's technically our district is north. It's north, but it's
not for the wat for gap and therefore it's the North.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
So like, for example, we live about what three hours
away from each other, maybe more like three and a half,
which for Americans that's not that far right, but for
Brits it's like almost a different country.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's a different country.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
If I have to travel more than forty five minutes
to see someone, I'll plan my week around that.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I still do the same now.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I'm like a nap when I get there.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And all right.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
On the radio, are you cool, calm and collecting? Do
you get riled up?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Do you swear?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Do you comment about other drivers? Like what kind of
a driver on the radio?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I don't talk a ton on the radio. I really
more so just want the info from the team. I
would be lying to say I don't swear, but I
think that's just kind of it's right, it's not like
I think it depends a bit on the situation, Like
if someone's just like cleaned me out, then I probably
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would say something on the radio then, But even that,
it's more so probably for two things. One let the
team know what happened, but also that like I haven't
just crashed on my own, you know, like it's almost
out one of them immediate deflections of like that wasn't
my fault, It wasn't me, it wasn't me. However, they
have been known to be a time or two, the
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latest one being in.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Nashville at the season finale.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Because I don't ask a lot of questions during the race,
Like when the team asked me a question, I give
them the answer, and maybe it's you know, how's the balance?
You tell them what the car is doing, and then
you know, do you want any erroo adjustments? Do we
think we need a tire pressure adjustment?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But then when I start asking questions like I want
an answer, yeap, and when I don't get one, I
can start to get pretty like irate. I think people
also need to understand that like the heat of the
moment isn't how you actually feel it just comes it
just extra comes out this way.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So anyway, I want to final where he starts. The
team said save fuel. I save fuel.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I lost a bunch of spots, and then like six
laps later, they said push and I was like, no,
like we literally if we were going to push, we
shouldn't have saved fuel because now I've already lost all
this track position. And then they're like, okay, we're going
to evalue it. And then they said save fuel and
then it was like nearly, let's push again. And I
was in a way more irritated way than this now
(25:30):
was like, guys, I don't care what we do, but
you pick one and then let's do it well. Right.
So I don't communicate a lot. I do get a
bit irritated sometimes, and I like communication to be concise.
How's your radio communication?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
My radio communication varies. I would say I made a
big effort lately, like the last two or three years lately,
to try and sound and happier on the radio. So
I'll give you an example. Mike Shank on the radio.
You know what he's thinking by the tone of his voice.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Right, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And so he might.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Say something that means something completely, but you hear disappointment
or you here excitement, oh, whatever it may be. And
so it started me thinking, Okay, you can read me
by the tone of my voice. Even if I say copy,
then you know it's not like so I've made a
big improvement with my tone I think and being concise,
(26:36):
but I do I suffer the same thing that you
do in that I get a little bit wound up.
I think I said once this year, I'm not a
thing stupid because they they ye, and then I was like,
I'm sorry, but I think they said something about pickup
(26:58):
or if something happened, and I was like, there's something
wrong with the car, and they're like, it's probably just
pick up and you didn't turn and forty miles an
hour and you're like no, like this is not my
first radio. I'm not stupid, Like please don't put me
in that position. Sure, so I do the same thing
as you do, but I try and be as cool
as calm. I think the people that I have the
most respect for are the ones who are not robotic
(27:22):
but very emotionally mature, able to control themselves right, like
self control.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think that would be a
really interesting question. Like I almost want to text Don
now people listening. Don was my race engineer this year
and kind of ask him what he felt and like
just say, look, we just want your honest take on this,
because I think when I listened to your radio like
through May, I thought you sounded pretty calm.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Actually, thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Okay, good, I go for that, Try it.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Try it.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And then when you're back on the intercom. So when
we're on track, we still have to use a radio,
which means pushing the button and then the spot has
talked to us or they talked to the team, and
then teams talk to us when you're actually in pit
lane because you get and get connected to the timing stand,
you're on the intercom, so then your.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Mic is live.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And I have more than one time forgotten that my
mic was live.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Or something.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Now I think I just was frustrated about the situation
and just started babbling.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And then actually it was with Mike and he was
like you're on the intercom.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Bub that's like his thing, like yeah, and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Cool, are you another bub? He was.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I got to say I really liked when Mike called
my race because if it was going well, his like
excitement came through and I'm like, yes, let's do it right.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So Christina and I had this conversation and we were
like we desperately wanted Mike's approval. I don't know what
it was about him as a team owner everybody else,
but I wanted him to sound happy with me.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I wanted to do good, okay good. So we've all
got daddy issues.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I haven't dorin with Mike for three years, and I
still feel that way when I have a.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Conversation with him, right same so sor I don't know,
do you know.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
The first conversation I ever ever had with him was
my manager recorded me at the time and said I
need you just to listen.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
And then they explained that Alonso was coming to.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Do the five hundred and Andretti and we were getting
shuffled to Shank and the first one of the first
things he said was like so aware of the situation
and like decent, and I was like, okay, Like he seems.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Like a good dude, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And then the amount of respect that kind of built
up like with him, which feels very reciprocal to like
how how he was with you. I don't know, I
kind of like it because when it's gone bad, like
obviously we know it's not gone great, you know, wheny
yellow is like advance ages and when it kills the race.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And I actually I.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Personally respond to that like not that I want to
like get the downer. I don't want him to be like,
you know, we need to pick it up. But actually
there was this one time at Road America we started
saving fuel and I came on and was like, this
is the stupidest strategy we've ever done. And this was
on the back of several bad strategies, and I think
(30:24):
he literally just said.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Just drive the car. He's like, hit the number, drive
the car.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I was like, So I came on the radio and
I said, fine, I'm like, but when we stuck at
the end of the race, it's on you.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Then it was like copy and then like a lap
later he's like, good job on the number, keep it up,
and I'm like, yes, boss, let's go. And this isn't
about like, you know, a laf of a half of
like exchange.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I still think radio communications like one of the things
I saw after Vegas, I think it was was the
clerk's message that kind of was circulating on socials, and
I think sometimes if you do just listen to it
in the you know, the raw light of day, it
does sound a bit snotty, harsh and you know, a
bit whiny sometimes and stuff like that, and you know
that's I never want to be on that side. That's
(31:12):
probably why I say less than say more. But when
you understand that, you know, normally it's a whole experience,
it's a whole year of getting to a point of
you know, frustration or you know, everyone at some point
has their limit.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So anybody can actually tune into our radios and listen
to whoever they want to over the course of the race.
And I would actually suggest that, like, don't scan different radios,
pick somebody who you're following on the radio and on
track and look at their lap times and listen to
the radio for that person so that you get more
of an insight.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I think an interesting one as well for me was
at Milwaukee this year.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
And if I remember in this right, you either had
the fastest lap in race one or you were like
top three fastest laps in race one.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Iowa wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I thought it was Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Actually, but anyway, one of those two, and then I
thought it was Milwaukee because I thought then in Raise two,
I had the same situation where I got a bit
of clear track and we just like ripped around and
the scene came on the radio and like, Okay, that's
the fastest lap of the race at that point. And
I might guys like appreciate the encouragement, but you know,
(32:21):
calm down and actually, if it turns out like it,
what's And I think that's the other thing that people
don't realize. What we're doing on track is so singular,
like we don't know all the strategy that's playing out.
We don't get to see all the tired egg other
than like what's happening to our car and maybe the
cars around us exactly. So I think having a cohesive
timing stand that knows how to communicate well but also
(32:44):
keep an open mind like that, to me is one
of the most critical parts.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Of motor racing.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, I agree, And having a timing stand that works
with you and talks to your language, like I often
joke about engineers do they speak Catherine, Because we have
a certain way of giving information, like we talked.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
That hand but actually just sat on mind because I
feel like starting to like creep up, like Ricky Bobby.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, exactly, like Recky Bobby.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh that's such a good movie.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
But I think you either have a rapport with your
engineer and he like reads what the underlying thing is
that you're trying to say, or you don't. And I've
been on both ends of that spectrum, and I think
that it's really important that he gets you too.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And big time. When you came to America the first time,
did you find it hard to translate from a European
like delivery of feedback and like explaining the car.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Because actually, like I did, like what Americans want to
talk about, and like the verbiage they use was different
than what I or I was using, and it took
a long time to really dial into what American teams
are looking for feedback wise, Like I found that hard,
and I'd be curious to know what you thought.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I didn't because I kind of learnt over here. So
my first full season in racing was Atlantics, so I
kind of learned the way of feedback and learning the
car here and then I went back to DTM and
I had the opposite experience because.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I would say gas or wicker or yeah, and they
would all make fun.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
About me to Europe and said gas.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I said gas when you get on the gas and
I got pushed instead of underseer, and like they used
to take the mickey out of me.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Something chronic.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think I'd be okay with like push as well
as understeer.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
But I think there's a few things that caught me
off guard initially that I've had to really work on.
And I actually probably didn't realize that I had made
that adjustment until I was teammates with Christian again, and
then when he came straight in from Europe, and like
rehearing how he was explaining the car was very similar
to what I was feeling and explaining, but the way
(34:52):
that we said it felt like I'd been in America
for a long time, And I don't know, I was
wondering if that was how your experience there.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Was, but complete opposite.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, So I don't think people understand how hard it
is at the end of every season if you don't
(35:23):
have a multi year contract, Like how hard it is
and how much you have to scrap and fight and
call and do all the things to find the best
possibility for yourself and ride for yourself next year. And
also how few people in the world have that experience
and how we are both going through that, Like right
(35:43):
now we're trying to solidify our plans, so we're kind
of fighting each other for rides in one way, but
we're also kind of emotional support teammates in other ways.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You're like, well, I've done this, so you're like helping
each other out.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And it's a weird it's a weird dynamic, but it's
also so stressful.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Imagine having to fight for your job every year.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like I don't think try and explain that in like
normal person times.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I feel like you did a nice job.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I mean, it's so rare that people are going to
their job and like, yes, everyone needs to do their
job well right, and you everyone likes to belie they've
got a lot of personal pride and that you're going
to go and do it you know.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
The best you can, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
As is just that every time you're in the car,
you know, like you don't really get afforded many opportunities
to have a bad day, so you are immediately heightened especially.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
You know, the last multi year deal I had was
at ray Hall.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
You know, so this see this season with Dy all
came together super late, so it was a one year contract.
So then immediately we're going into this coming season trying
to figure out what that is.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Is it something in Indy Cars, it's something in sports cars?
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Is it something you know, completely pivoting into commentating or
some form of common true work, And you know you're
trying to at least we have spread a very or
cast a wide net to see what comes in.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
And I mean not to.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Tell people exactly what they are, but we were on
a call and it was about a program that could
potentially keep us as teammates and one that could potentially
be if everything went well, more than one year.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I also know that we've spoken to the same IndyCar team.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Then, as you know, like I really would like this seat,
obviously you really would like that seat.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
And then in the midst of all that, if anyone ever,
you know, went on our.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Instagram page and went on our messages, it's pretty much
just a gift exchange, you know. So I think that
the only way I think you can really combat it
with people in my experience so far is just a
ton of mutual respects and like maximum transparency and at
that point, I know, even more so because of how
good our relationship is.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
There's nothing personal.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
In this, you know, like there's never a moment where
I'm like, oh, well that was a bit underhand or
something like that. I mean, you know, we've been through
the disco dance of how race teams are, you know,
and although you get to see some of the glamorous sides,
you know, racing is.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
A pretty brutal sport from how quickly you.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Can be dropped and changed, and like everything happens and
it feels like it goes at least this has been
my experience, and it's happening like right now in some regards,
like you go like weeks not hearing anything, trying to
stay busy, trying to you know, staying occupied in the gym,
you know, basically being ready if something comes together that
you can maximize it, and then at nowhere it arrives
(38:37):
and then it's like this whirlwind of events and then
you're like, oh, well, you know I know that we
were looking at that or like you're competing against one
of your other friends doing that and I mean, you know,
kind of silly example, but like was Connor Daily when
he replaced me at roll for Gateway.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
He was actually the person who told me that he
was going to be the driver. Oh wow, you know,
and I.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Was like, look, I mean, unless you are the one
like pushing me out the seat, which I don't believe
was true, then you're not going to send that down
just because you know.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I've gone through a bad time and it is a
really really.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Intricate and I don't want to say awkward, but it
is a little bit awkward.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I think I feel like it's not awkward with you,
but I feel like it's awkward with some people that
I'm friends with but not really close friends with, because
I feel like I can call you up and go, hey,
I know you're talking to such and such team, and
we're talking to such and such team, and this is
where we're at, just so you're aware, because it's just
open and honest and like you don't want to be
(39:39):
you don't want.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
To hear about it from somebody else.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Like I'd much rather you call me and say, hey,
I've done a deal with such and such team, because
then I know, rather than hearing Jack.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Well, I think that's been the interesting thing about like
all of this is a not to like share our
personal relationship to everybody else.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
But I mean we've had those calls. We've had several
of those, you.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Know, kind of like you know who, not not like
who are you talking to necessarily in like what stages
everything at, but like globally, you know, who are you
talking to? What is like a Katherine only situation? What
could be like a Katherine and Jack situation?
Speaker 3 (40:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
And then the other thing that gets complex about it
as well is when you start introducing sponsors and then
the ability for them to work together. So you know,
I on one of these we had, I mean there
was literally like four different groups and we'd all completely
be entwined and then in a complete same call situation,
different series, It's like we're back to two parties going
(40:38):
down like parallel road.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Trying to get the same Ryan.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I just feel like when you've got that level of
like mutual respect and trust with people, which typically is
with my closer friends at the track, like the people
I actually want to hang out with when we're not
at the track, to the you know you just yeah,
you know you're just honest with them because they know
it's not personal.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
You know, it's not personal, and you know, just kind
of go from there.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Really, but is it is it's complicated, Well, it's not
complicated if you're prepared.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
To have conversations as well. Yeah, be straight. Okay, last
question and then I will let you go. Well, it's
kind of a two parter though, so amazing, kind of
kind of deeped.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You on that one.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Okay, do you think that ten year old Jack would
be proud of where you're at now? And did ten
year old Jack want to be a race card driver?
Speaker 4 (41:32):
I think ten year old Jack would be very proud
of what of how we are now. Truthfully, I don't
know if at ten years old Jack exactly thought his
career was going to be racing driver.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Wanted to be a footballer, didn't you.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Well I was good at it, you know, you know,
and I say football obviously in America means soccer, but
you know, our football. I was good at it, like naturally,
I would say football soccer was probably my best sport.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I didn't know this about you.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. You know.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
I was the right bill to play in midfield and
had the right speed and like just the right amount
of stamina, you know. So I was decent at football,
and you know, trying to make this sound a nice
because it was a nice thing. My dad's not really
a football guy. He's a petrol head, you know. He
loves being in the garage and you know, working on
(42:23):
engines and you know, cars and.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Stuff like that. So when I was nine, you know,
he got me a go cart.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
We started racing, and I really didn't super take to it,
like I think, I was like naturally okay at it.
But I only really started to get engaged when I
had friends at the track as well. Because at ten
years old, like me and my friends throughout the paddock
and there's actually a Facebook thread of this somewhere, like
we just run around turning people's generators off. He did, yeah,
(42:54):
or like you know, kind of being silly, and you know,
at ten years old, like why should racing be that.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Serious at that age?
Speaker 4 (43:00):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's just fun, right.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
You know, it's just fun, I would say.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
The age I really took it seriously, I was like, okay,
but keep applying yourself. You've got like maybe a little
bit of talent at this was probably when I was
like thirteen.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
It was during the season I just started racing in Jicko.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Which at the time was junior into Continental A, and
halfway through that season we were leading the British Championship
and I was like, okay, we could win this, and
then you look at the people who have won it
and you're like, okay, it just ever so slightly put
us on a different path. So to answer that two part,
I think little Jack, I'll send you a picture it
will get a kick out of.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Is me and a cowboy hat in my first go cart.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
I think he'd be super proud of like where we've
when its journey has taken us. But I don't know
if ten year old Jack thought that he was going
to be a professional racing driving he probably more so
hoped he was going to be like David Beckham, and
thirty one year old Jack still wishes that he was
David Beckham a little bit.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, that would be cool, but then I wouldn't have
met Jack.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
I guess no, not like I mean, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Anyway, that's that's my I got my mind going and
we're directions.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
What the football team do you support?
Speaker 3 (44:14):
So I cheer for my hometown team, Lincoln City FC.
Lincoln City FC? What League One? I could feel the judgment.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Liverpool.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Okay, so here's the thing. My Premiership team is Liverpool.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Oh how did I not know that? Either?
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I don't know because I don't know.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yeah, but don't you think when you like when you
break it down like Lincoln's if anyone who's not been
to Lincoln. So we actually live in a village, like
a small village outside of Lincoln, which is a small
town about four thousand miles east of Indianapolis. I think
the fact that we're even here doing it and it's.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
You know, same for you.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah, Like I mean, this is so removed from like
upbringing and like where I families are and everything like
that that you know, I'm sewing awe of what we
get to do, but also what we've worked hard to
try and create. And now I feel like we are
recipients of what most people would classes the American dream,
(45:16):
even though we aren't American. And I think that's also
why you see us, like, you know, we both choose to.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Stay here like all year round, love going back to
the UK. You know, it's a visit family and you know,
just kind of be there.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
But I've always thought this actually, and I thought this
about you before I even like really knew you. And
maybe it's because we connect as Brits as well as
you know, teammates and also competitors and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
But the fact.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
That you chose to still stay here when there were
no doubt opportunities to go back, I think is a
nice level of reciprocation and appreciation for the opportunity that
we've had by being here.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
And I think that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I think we're very fortunate to have lived the very
unique lives that we've lived. Cool.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Thank you for doing this with.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Me, of course, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Thanks for listening to Throttle Therapy. We'll be back next
week with more updates and more overtakes.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
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