March 25, 2025 • 42 mins
It’s that time of the month, and Christina Nielsen is back as she prepares to host her ice driving experience. Christina and Katherine discuss bucket list races, peeing in seats, and their best and worst fan interactions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Throttle Therapy with Catherine Legg is an iHeart women's sports
production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You
can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to this
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week's edition of Throttle Therapy with Me Catherine Legg. And
you know what, guys, it is at that time of
the month with Christina Nielsen. Hi, Chrissy?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hello, how are you? I'm very good?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
How are you very good? What have you been up
to this Woman's History month? Anything exciting?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We have exciting stuff coming up? Does that count? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Absolutely, funny exciting stuff that does count.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes. I am excited because I do have quite a
few women actually coming on the next driving experience, which
is going to be ice driving. So out of a
group of sixteen, I believe I have six women. Wow,
quite a good ratio compared to what we normally have.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's amazing. So actually, I don't know whether the listeners
know this, but you started over here, and you have
to remind me when it was you started an organization
called Accelerating Change. I did, Yes, that was a while ago, now.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It was it was back in eighteen, we started hosting
track days. The purpose of the organization was to create
events and experiences within the automotive space cater to women.
But with my background and I love when people take
an action with what they're doing and not just participating
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and sitting on the sideline. Here, the women actually get
to challenge themselves and get more confident behind the wheels.
So our primary focus was track days, and we did
quite a few of those four women and had around
thirty five to fifty five women at the events, so amazing. Yeah,
it was pretty cool. It was a great little community
that we got to put together that I did together
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with a woman named Mariana Small.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So you just saw a gap in the market and thought,
women want to be able to drive and do this stuff,
but they're intimidated by doing it with the guys, and
we're going to set up something cool and independent of that.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, we kind of functioned as a springboard.
We saw a lot of the women that were not
feeling too confident about joining one of the normal track
days with them having very little experience or no experience.
So we essentially created events that had an environment where
the people and the women that were quite green could
come test it out, get a feel for it, and
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we did see quite a few of them afterwards join
various clubs and were more confident about going on track
with men and women at the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's amazing. Did you notice any difference between like a
women only track day and a normal track day.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean, we definitely had a lot more beginners. Normally
have free levels, you have beginner into media and experts.
Here we had primarily or two thirds of the participants
were green, and I've never done a track day before.
The cool thing was the women listened, so while they
might start a bit slower, we saw a massive progression
throughout the day and normally really good feedback from the
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instructors as well, because they were working well together. We
take instruction, yes, we do. Definitely. I enjoyed that part,
and for me, the best thing was just seeing how
happy the women were when getting out of the car
and just enjoying driving and getting more confident behind the wheel.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That's lovely. So going back to the ice driving thing
that you're planning, then, have you ever done ice driving?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You know what I went last weekend. I went there
to just prepare in terms of understanding the logistics, the layout,
the procedures, and it is such a cool thing. I
got to drive a bit as well. It is one
of the most fun things I've ever done in my life.
I want to decide. I know you have to at
some point. It's basically everything we have not been allowed
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to that you get to do all day long.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Sideways drifting, yeah, and nothing to.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Take it off exactly. If you go off, you go
into the snow. You know, you wait for the for
the truck to come pull you out. And if I
can do it with a shovel and pushing, then I'll
do it. But otherwise, you know, it's yeah, it's pretty harmless.
If you do something, all you lose is a bit
of time.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh that's amazing. So how many of these snow days,
the ice driving days, are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
We have a group of sixteen joining us for four days,
so it's a full program Friday through Monday.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Is that some we Scandinavian?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I take it yes, very north up where like the
forest or when you're flying there, all you see your
trees and snow and like frozen lakes, and that's essentially
what we're using. We're using one of the frozen lakes.
What they've created layouts like, so for example, there is
a full monocle that they get to drive, oh wow. Yeah,
and there's a smaller version, like a smaller scale of SPA.
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And they have a few others as well, and then
some also that they created with their imagination, a combination
of coal corners. Yeah, yeah, we're going to have to
do that at some Yes, we have to go and
do it together.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, that would be fun, but without any responsibility, So
it wouldn't be one of your days that we'll go
and do it on somebody else.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, we'll be guests. We'll be guests and we'll share
a car.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That would be amazing, and stay in like an igloo
or something.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I don't know if I would like to stay. I
get called easily, so we can go from the logs
with a fireplace. I know. People always tell me this,
how can you be called here from Denmark? And my
answer is I really like California. I got used to
that kind of weather when I lived there, and I
haven't exactly transitioned since I moved back.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Tell me something, I've heard this and I don't know
whether it's complete rubbish and you might tell me that's
complete rubbish, but I've had in Denmark the moms leave
their babies in the strollers outside places in the cold
so that they will get more hardy. Is that true.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I don't like that part, but I do know that
we do that because we feel very safe with where
we live. I think other places you are afraid that
your baby's going to get kidnapped. In den Bugg it's like, okay,
you have enough clothes on, you know, you have your
full on one seat made for winter, and your blanket
and everything. And we go and park you and we
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go have coffee or maybe something stronger than coffee because
we walk everywhere so we don't have to get behind
the wheel afterwards.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And yeah, and they do cold plunges in the in
the sea as well.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
They Yeah, the idiots do. I'm not one of them, now,
I'm kidding. I mean, I hear it's really good for you,
so I think it's I think it's an amazing thing.
But oh, I'm just not that brave.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I dispute this because last summer when we were here
on ather Lake, we did the cold plunges and you
were very good at during the cold plunges with me.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, but what we have to share with the listeners
is that was not a real cold plunge and literalized.
That's why when Catherine qualifies as a cold plus, not
actually a cold plunge. It's like a cold pool. Yes,
the Icess water ratio was maybe a little bit off,
just saying, if we're going to be transparent.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It felt cold to me. And I think you did well.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Thank you. Yeah, we're supportive here of each other, yes, very.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yes, and especially saying as it is Women's History Month
and I'd be a mess not to mention it. I
don't know how I feel about that. By the way,
what do you think?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
What's your first thought that comes like, what's what's the
first part that comes to mind when somebody says Women's
History months.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think about all like the incredible badass women that
were back in the day, like going off from fighting
wars and inventing really cool stuff and like breaking barriers
and doing like the stuff that was unheard of.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like the Boston Marathon kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, yeah, what about you.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think there's definitely some some really inspirational moments that
have happened, but they were also really the first, like
the first woman to ever run a marathon, you know,
ran it even though men tried to pull her out
of the race and didn't want her to be there.
Like the fact that we're talking about whether you would
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even be allowed to participate. That I think is the
highest form of groundbreaking achievement. I agree that you can have. Yeah,
I think in our era there are still first to
be made and we should never neglect them. And I think,
you know, when you look back at our driving history,
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there hasn't been that many women racing at the same time,
and there's definitely been a bit of a shift. There's
more women, even though it's very male dominated still. But
it's I wouldn't say it's quite it's not quite the same.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I don't think it is either. I mean you look
at like Janet Guthrie and people like that, there weren't
even women's restrooms in the pit back then. Like that's
a whole other level in mind.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I do appreciate that the women's bathrooms at the racetrack
are also available all the time because there's not that
many women, so that small benefit. A line at the racetrack, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You know what, there has been a line a couple
of times, and I feel really bad because I'll be
in my raceuit ready to go and there'll be a
line and I'm like, well, it's about three minutes until
they say drivers to your cars, so I'm going to
have to push in front of all these people and
they're like looking at me, and half of them are like,
how dare you? And half of them are like, oh, no,
you go girl, you know, and sorry, sorry, just gonna
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sorry my bad as you make your way to the
front of the line. It happened to me at Daytona
and I was like, I don't know how I feel
about this.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think you're excuse, Yeah, you have a deadline. I
have a deadline. Yeah, you have a deadline. At that point,
I think there's I think there's a few women also
if we and of course we know the world of motorsports,
but you know, people coming back after having babies, like
I don't remember which one of the Williams sisters did
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tennis players, but I mean that I also think, you know,
going through that with your body and then going back
and competing and being competitive, that I think is also
quite an achievement to be celebrating.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, because you can't even imagine. But you know what
a lot it is right now, right, Like it's really
hard to be physically in shape enough and strong enough
and all the things, and like mentally all the draws
on your te and how difficult it is to get
everything scheduled, and like it's a lot. Imagine adding a
baby into that makes like I cuted us to them
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for doing it, and I don't think I could.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, No, it's the you know, the mail drivers, if
they have a girlfriend or a wife that's been pregnant,
then you know they're within that two or three weeks window.
They're like, hey, guys, I'm going to stand by if
I need to fly home because my wife or girlfriend
is having our baby. It's it's not exactly the same
scenario of being a woman, is.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It, No, Because then like after the birth they can
go jump in a race car again, whereas exactly, Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I also feel like that's a sacrifice
that you make to do what you want to do.
In a way, like a lot of sports people myself included,
haven't had kids because they want to compete and they're
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not willing to take any time away and do that.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, I mean, I think the beautiful thing is I
should never feel like you have to do something just
because it's maybe the social norm. I think it's great
for those who want to have kids, who have kids,
and for those who want to pursue other aspects of
life that they have the ability to go and do.
So what would be one bucketless item one race that
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you haven't done that you still wish you could do?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Easy? Oh, I know them, it's queasy yeah, Okay, okay,
this is this is a test of how good are friends?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
We are?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
There's actually like three, but two of them pretty pretty important.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
What do you think it is?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
My number one?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Lemon?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Okay, that's my number two?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Okay, Bath first? Yes, yeah, I actually thought, like that's
why I said down Under before I bought bath First. Definitely,
but then I also realized lamon.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
But definitely bad this. I don't know what it is
about it, but I want to do it in an
Ozzi V eight too, Like, yes, I want to do
the GT Car one because I would take an element
of the race that I already know, like the car right,
But to do it in the AUSSI V eight just
seems so Australian, like it's like the Australian version of NASCAR.
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You know, it's just like big and brilliant, badass and
the track is crazy and then you got kangaroos hopping
all over it and I mean, you've driven there, haven't you.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I did the race one year. I have to say
now this was GT Racing. But the Supercar Series, I
feel like the way Australian races their national championship. It's
almost like I wouldn't say it's IndyCar every weekend, but
IndyCar is like, you know, or Indy five hundred sorry,
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is the biggest race of the year. They really have
a big fan base, a lot of engagement, Like the
population is really supportive of the supercart Series. It is
very cool to watch how popular motorsport and their own
series is in this country. Denmark is not like that.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
What is the biggest racing series in Denmark?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh man, I don't even know. There's two series, DTC
and SUPERDT and it's very Danish. We don't have the
best tracks either. I still think the best place in
the world if you want to go racing somewhere and
your focus is to drive some of the best circuits
in the world America without a doubt. I think there
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are populous items like Bathurst and Spa, but in America
that you just keep ticking off the list. Roade Atlanta,
Michelin Raceway. I would say, what can splen road America?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like, there's just so many great tracks.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, I remember certain someone getting polled at Laguna Sega.
Do you know I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That's a great race. Actually, do you remember the race
there where you were with Ali and I was with
Andy and they went head to head for the battling
for the win at the end there.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah. And I also remember Watkins Glenn two years back
to back and they were battling and one year you
guys were in front, one year we were in front. No,
but yeah, we definitely saw those guys, Andy and Alessandra
going head to head a few times. But I think
very cool thing about it was they always raced hard
but fair. Well.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's what a lot of the new drivers coming in
don't understand is that when you're established and you've got
such a great reputation as Andy and Ali had, the
only way you get to have a twenty year career
or more or be that, you know, get employed year
after year is if you do fight people fair and
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you are well respectant, because you can't take somebody out
and then expect them not to do it to you.
And so I think that there's just a mutual respect.
You know, they respect each other for being fast, they
respect each other for being fair, and they know where
the limit is and where they can push it. And
I'd like to think that we're the same. But you
see that with a lot of people. You see that
was like Brian Sellers and Madison who we were also
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racing against at the time, and then you know the
crazy people who to stay away from, and they don't
get that same respect, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I do think also that a lot of people saw
you and and and as a strong duel like working
well together. From our side, I can definitely also say
I loved working with Alessandro. I had two great years
with him, and I think two other people in the
paddock were the ones you just mentioned. I think it
really shows that great teamwork is a part of making
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you a championship contender also winning. But yeah, like Brian
and Madison definitely had such a beautiful collaboration.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, but I think I mean I've been lucky. I've
had a few really good teammates, like when I was
teammates with Aura, he was amazing, amazing. I've also had
some bad ones, but I think you click with people right.
Like we were teammates, we got on really well. We
had other things dynamics within the team that we had
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to deal with. But I think when you click with
a team, when you click with an engineer, when you
click with your co driver, it just works. And engineer
is also important, really important. Yeah, And so I don't
know whether you can't manufacture that. Some people you get
on with, some people you like they speak your language,
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so to say, and some people don't.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And so I sometimes do some speaking engagement. We talk
about how to optimize teamwork and how to create great
performance within the team. And on the last one, I
pulled up a slide that I created and I listed
every attribute that I could think of that I think
would be a nice quality for a leaders last team
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to have, like the leaders should present the values of
the team that he or she is creating, right. And
the people saw the list and said, we can't have
all of those, and I said, you absolutely cannot. So
you need to make a priority list of what's important
to you. And I think there's a lot of trading
that you can do in terms of what we've done
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in racing, how a good racing team is built that
you can also build teams in other industries with. And
I think who you are as a person, your values,
the type of team that you want to put together
is going to be a reflection of you, and you
need to prioritize what is important. And sometimes a person
might not be a great fit for a team, but
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doesn't mean that the team is bad. It just means
that it wasn't the right fit for you. And I
think I think you have also driven for teams where
you know, you knew this is not a bad team,
like they're good, but it didn't just quite click. It
wasn't quite right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Different personalities, Yeah, been a bad situation too. It's interesting,
but I think that's the same for all walks of life, right, Yeah. Absolutely,
It's like some people are friends and some people aren't friends.
Doesn't mean that they're bad people, they just don't have
the same energy and vibes that you have. And I
think when it works, it works. And I think testament
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to that is like an MSR and the team that
might put together. Those guys have been there forever, you know,
they don't.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That speaks to it.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, they love it there. It's interesting to see
the different dynamics between the different teams and how personalities
gravitate towards certain teams. But you don't always get the
luxury of choosing either, right, Like you get employed by
whoever whenever, depending on manufacturer and a lot of other
things too.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, it's a combination.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And when it's bad, it's really bad, I know.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Crying, yeah, calling each other what am I doing here?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I think the thing that you know is the beautiful thing.
And the very difficult thing about racing is that everything
is so intense. So when you have a good teammate
that you are together with for maybe seven in the
morning until ten in the evening, it's great because you
feel like you're together and you are your family away
from your family, and you're building something amazing, you're creating momentum,
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and you're doing a good job together and you're working together.
But when you're within an environment where you don't feel
comfortable and you don't feel like you fit in, and
it might not be the right place for you. Ooh,
those weekends can be long and it can be extremely draining.
Now we still get to drive race cars, so we're
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still very lucky, but doesn't change the fact that it
can be mentally exhausting.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, they've done that for the T shirt. I've been
been all over the place with it, to be honest.
But where you feel the most supported as well, and
where you can do the most supporting role, I think
that's really important for me anyway. I don't know whether
it's the same for the guys or not. I bet
it is. I bet they just don't have the balls
to say it.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, I don't want to show weakness more honest about it, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
but I think it's it's a side of the industry
that I think a lot of people can relate to.
But if you're a fan, you might not know what's
going on. You might not understand it always. I remember
one time I I had a teammate that crashed at
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Daytona on the formation lap, and that meant we had
to drive two hours behind the race, Like we're literally
driving in circles with no purpose really and a car
that was turning to the last every time you break.
And yeah, that was a very long race, and I
was just no, I had nothing to give, like mentally,
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when I was outside the car and a fan stopped me,
and I was running towards the garage when it happened
to understand how bad it was, and a fan wanted
to stop me to take a photo. And I understand
at that time, you're thinking, Okay, the races just started.
That driver is not busy because the person is not
in the car and you know the starting drivers in it.
And I told no, I don't have time. Reality was,
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you know, I was kind of I don't want to
use some word devastated, but I was completely out of
energy because I'm walking back to a garage before the
race has even started, and this is our start to
the season, and I didn't have the bandwidth to talk
to anybody. And we want to be good role models,
good to brand ambassadors for the team, ourselves the championship,
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but sometimes there's more stuff going on than I think
a lot of people see from the outside.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Will they say that in general? Don't they that if
people are being mean, then it's not about you, it's
more about them and what they're going through personally. And
so I think about that a lot, but like this
past weekend, I had lots of different fan experiences and
a new paddock right, a lot of very positive ones,
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a lot of negative ones if I'm honest to you,
where some guy shouts out which LOVEE you can crash on,
and then seeing a lot of a lot of other
stuff and it makes you guarded. It makes you think, Okay,
I know that the majority of it is still very
positive and you're still a role model for all these
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young girls that you have to do the right thing.
But also it smarts a little bit when you think
I'm giving an autograph to a guy who just asks
me what lap I'm going to crash on? Like this
doesn't seem right? Yeah, So it's tough sometimes. Honestly, I
understand think why drivers get jaded and don't want to
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be as friendly as they can be and want to
keep a distance. But I also I try really hard
not to be that person and not to let that
get to me and just think, Okay, what are those
people going through?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah? I think I guess this is the cool thing
that we get to talk about this on this podcast
because it is important, like for me that people hear this,
Like I you know, this was back in twenty eighteen.
I still remember that moment with that guy, and a
part of me wish I'd stopped, like why couldn't it
take three seconds to stop and take a photo? Of
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course I could have, I didn't have the mental bandwidth
for it at that point. I my head was just
needing to understand what was going on with the car,
what was going to happen. That was consuming our world
at that point. But I think I think this much
about this or this situation. I remember it. I wish
sometimes the fans that shout out stuff like oh which
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lack are you? And a crash on had a little
bit more thought behind what comes out of their mouths,
because it's.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
It's not very kind, No, But do you think that
they don't. I mean, they're not doing it to be kind.
They're not very kind to people if they say something
like that. I don't think I've ever said anything negative
like that on purpose to try and get a reaction
out of somebody, no matter what was going on in
my head. So I just think I feel sorry for them.
I think it's sad, honestly, because they they must be
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there must be a thought process with them that they're
either jealous, right because they want to be doing what
you're doing, or they are I mean, they're for the.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Wrong reasons, like it's entertainment in the wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Form, entertainment, Yeah, something like that. And I just think, Okay, well, A,
I don't really value your opinion because you're not somebody
who has done anything that I would ask for an
opinion or of a value or respect or anything like that.
So all you're doing by trying to bring me down
is making me feel sorry for you, and it makes
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me like go into this whole psyche thing and wonder why.
Like I always think my parents said, if you don't
have anything nice to say, don't say it's to all,
And of course I've said me and stuff with my
mindset all the time, but I don't do it to
complete strangers, to try and bring them down. And I just,
I guess I just don't understand it a lot of it.
But it does make you look at everybody in a
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slightly different light, and then you can't do that. You've
got to be kind to everybody and assume the best,
even though there are some people like that.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I will say though, in the msipatic where you and
I spent the majority of our time. Those are some
of the nicest fans really are so sweet and understanding
and positive and supportive, and we joke with them and
I've gotten several presents. One of the best ones that
I ever got, I had well too, at one where
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like a a broach and has said have no fear
the dan is here. I was cute. And then a
person came and gave me an en So Ferrari book,
like a really old one, and he had ear marked
the chapter that said Ferrari and Women, and I still
have that one. It's with my trophies. I have quite
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a few of the presents actually, so that's just so thoughtful,
I know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, there are so many nice, loving fans out there.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
To you, it's a weird I do a good job.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's a weird life. We live thinking about these things,
you know, because majority of people don't have that, and
they don't think about it and they don't have to
think about how they are in front of these people.
But it's like I just reposted on my Instagram this
little girl sitting in front of the TV cheering me
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on because I was a girl and she could relate
to me and stuff. Like that makes my heart so
happy that she sees that and thinks that she could
do be a driver, or be an engineer or do
whatever because she sees somebody else doing it that it
makes it all worthwhile. Really, I need to plan a
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trip to Denmark because I've never been to Denmark, and
you come and visit me a lot, and it's definitely
my turn to make the effort. And so at some
point we need to sit down and do diaries and
so I can come to Denmark and you can show
me all the cool things, especially seeing as I saw
some stuff on Instagram that was like the food over
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there looks amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It is I was about to say, I know a
lot of restaurants, but we can go to it. This
is my favorite type of activity.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
But it has to be in the summer because your
weather looks as bad as in England.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Basically, yes, pretty awful. Yeah, but it is nice during
the summer and everybody sits outside and have drinks or
coffee or whatever it might be. It's a city where
you can walk everywhere, so everybody are walking around and
just enjoying the weather. A lot of dog owners and
they have their dogs with them at the cafes, et cetera,
(29:19):
and oh it's just perfect. Yeah, you know that those
ten days out of the year we might have this
kind of weather. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Problem is it's like you have that weather when it's
the middle of race season, so it's really hard to plan.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah. Yeah, that was not the greatest planning on Behalfable
racing series. Of course, nothing to make it wearing.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, but we also have the plan that when we
start racing or maybe oh we're going to move to Spain,
We're going to move to Spain.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. You know, I saw this
article about five girlfriends that bought a house to get
her to live in, and I thought, this is some
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Five I know, but I don't think I have five
girlfriends that I would actually want to live with. There's people, yeah, exactly.
There's a halful of people that I can stand being
in my personal space. And I'm not that easy. I mean,
neither of us are that easy. But with we just
we're lucky.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
We're together, exactly. Yeah, And I think it's one of
the things with teammates, the reason why you get so close.
I remember the first race weekend that I did with
Alessandro after spending the roar and they tone her with him.
I was like, Oh, I've known this guy forever. You
spent so much time together. It really speeds up the
process of getting to know somebody.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
And it's intimate time too.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
With the whole race team, it's like a circus. You
just I mean, you get yours exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, half it together, You're frustrated together, you celebrate together,
you you know, drawing your stors together. Like it's all
a lot of feelings.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Oh, speaking about getting close, have you ever peeen in
the seat once?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Did you once?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I know we get asked this, We'll always get this question.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, and I never have.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I've gotten the question. Can you drive while being on
your period? Yes? I can. I don't know, like people
go to work, people go running, people do all sorts
of things. I don't know why to stop me from Yeah,
I don't think. I don't think it limits us to
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driving a car. But yeah, I was once asked that
during a radio interview.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's incredible to me.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Was it a man? I believe so, Yes, it was
not a woman.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So I remember in two thousand and six, Jimmy Vassa,
who was one of the team miners for the champ
Card team that I drove for at Milwaukee, first oval
race I've ever done, and he said, you just got
You've got to learn to let it go, man, And
I was like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's so hard, it's so difficult. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Twenty years in your life, yes, holding it, Yes, I
couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
The only reason why, and like was because there was
a safety car. And at that point when you're driving,
you can feel it, but you're also so concentrated regarding
you know, driving and what you're doing and everything and
what's going on. But then when the safety car comes around,
oh you have all the time in the world. And
I had to fee so badly, but I cannot explain how.
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This was probably the biggest challenge of the weekend was
to actually do it while I was sitting.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
There, the focus that you need to have, like I
think I'd have to close.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It was so hard. It was so strange.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I never have. I know a lot of drivers do,
and I know a lot of my co drivers do.
And that's one thing that like totally grows me out,
is that when you do a driver change and you
get in the car, You're like, E know, it's wet.
This is very unpleasant.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't know if I've actually sat in it, Like,
I don't know if I've jumped in, asked somebody, or
I've just not noticed. I don't know. I don't know
a lot of people I think of my teammates at
least that I know, did it.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I guess there's one benefit. If you're smaller and you
have an insert that you can put in, then you're
always sitting in your insert.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Ah, that's true. Yeah, but that's not me. It's not me,
because I was.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Like, I would drive whoever's however. Actually that was interesting
because I get in the NASCAR and they're like, where
do you want to sit? And I'm like, I don't know.
You tell me where I want to sit, because I
know where I need to be in an IndyCar, but
in a sports car, I've spent my entire career going
with like whatever my co driver who was normally bigger
(33:41):
than me, right like Andy, I'd sit in his seat,
or if it was an am or, I'd sit in
their seat to make it more comfortable for them. Yeah,
so you kind of get used to driving whatever however,
and I know, like these cars are awkward as it is,
so I didn't know where I wanted to be in
and that's girl was like, I don't know. This feels
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about right, like it's not going to stop me doing anything.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Do they give you any pointers of where you want
to be compared to the car in terms of like
what you can see, you know where they were eyes wise?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, and they moved the head rest and they actually
moved the head rest for the race. So the head
rest was great for me in on practice day, and
then they moved it because NASCAR said that it was
too low because apparently I do this really weird thing
and they all make it fun of me for it
because when I hit the.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Brake, I pop up. So they said, it's really funny.
You did it on the simulated and we were all laughing.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I can see your head popping up like when you
pushed like, oh, like question, you could see up.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
So NASCAR said, okay, you need to move the headrest,
and they moved it, and they wouldn't let me sit
in it to try it because you're not allowed in
the garage with the car the rules anyway. So I'm
sat in the car, I'm about to go race, and
my head is sandwiched because this head is cut. Move
my head and I can't see and I can't reach
the switches and like I can literally not see over
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the dash, and I'm like, oh, oh, this will be interesting.
It's a good job. I've had twenty years of training
in a sports card to driving whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
However, how did it feel doing the race then? Was
it okay while you're actually driving?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, because you never notice these things when you're actually driving,
do you.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I don't know, you don't, I do? I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Oh that's right, Yeah, yeah, you're very.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, I'm very specific. It's definitely one of my one
of my bad trades. I was always very sensitive with
the seat, and I think it's bad.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Everybody just has their things that they need to get right.
The seat is not it for me, but if it
is for you, then that's just one of those things
that you need to feel comfortable and confident to drive.
I don't think it's bad.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean, was it very different making a seat
for it? Because we have two different ways of making
a seat for the for the GT cars, right, but
what about Nascar?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It's the same seat.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, oh that's nice. Yeah good.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, he's easy and it was actually really easy, like
the team made it super easy. It literally got that.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Andy came with me.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It was like new Year for the It was the ark,
the seat that I also used in the in the
right cup car.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
What about Indy?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Indy they make it the same too, but they tell you,
you know, they know exact measurements of what you want
to be in an IndyCar and you are laying down
in an IndyCar pretty much whereas you're totally upright like
in a GT car. I guess in the NASCAR, but
Andy came with me.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
There's quite a few IndyCar drirists that have you know,
some are quite a bit taller than you. I mean,
some are maybe a little bit shorter than you, but
I don't assume much shortest. How are you How are
they adjusted, like with the seats, et cetera, Like what
do you what do you move round or would you
add depending on your height because that's a big thing, right,
(37:04):
Like you want to be sitting one hundred percent right
when you're driving around. All was especially I assume.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
They move the pedals and they move the steering wheel
and then they want your head lower than the halo,
so it doesn't create any drag and anything like that,
and so within that space you can kind of move around.
I don't like having big bass under my bum because
I feel like it makes it a little bit more
numb feeling the car, so I like to be sat
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as low as possible. I also think that it forces
you to look as far ahead as possible, which is
a good thing. Sometimes I get it wrong, sometimes I
get it right. Sometimes I'm like, this is the best
seat I've ever made, and then I drive it and I'm.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Like, ugh, yeah. Sometimes it's try to know and tell
your driver h yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
And like my indie seat last year was terrible. It
gave me a really bad backache, and I think it
was just the way that the spine was, plus the
fact that I ate my feelings before were indy last
year and put on a little bit away. Then I
lost it against then I was like slopping around in
the seat, So that wasn't good either. It was yeah,
(38:08):
PEMA nightmare. Lots of lesson planned, even at this stage
in my career.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I think also people sometimes think it's more more complicated
than what it actually is I remember one of the
seats because men typically have wider or broader shoulders right
than women do. So for example, in one of my
seats with one of my male code drivers, we put
one of those little air balloons that is inflatable and
(38:33):
deflatable inside the seat. Yeah, and then you basically squeeze
this puffy thing and it goes and then then yeah,
at letir bag And that was how we adjusted how
broad the width of the shoulders were.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
The problem is they fail a lot, and I've had that.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I never had You're stuck. Yeah that's bad. Okay, so
never had that issue. They never failed like it for us.
But yeah, I think sometimes people think it's more high
tech than it is. This is a quite simple solution,
but sometimes simple works.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah. I mean back in my day, I get my days.
How well, we had two pot film seats right where
you literally mix the kind of foam and then pour
it in a bag and then get it in your
hair and on your seat, and it was a nightmare
and it would like expand around you. But now they
have this process where they add you've got like a
bag of bulls or whatever that you sit in, yes,
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and they add the glue stuff and you can mold
it to you and then they suck the air out
and then it takes a minute, but it sets. And
so that makes it easy because if you're like, well
I don't have quite so much here and I want
this there, it's much more adaptable. And there are people
who do it as a job. They go around and
make seats for all the drivers, and they know exactly
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where you want to be sat and they know what
they're doing, and so it's a kind of a full
proof method rather than the two part foam and a
big trash bag method that we used to use vacuum
my day.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I mean, I think some people still use it, right,
but it's also a cheaper version. But the little fluffy
white whatever they're called flamingo balls, I mean, we're so
yea refined right here.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
What it is like play starring or squishy, But.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It works well and it's it's amazing. I mean I
kind of feel like it's a it's an art in itself. Yeah,
the guys or the women were really good at doing that,
so it's yeah, it's an important and integral part of
I guess being comfortable as a driver and flann safety
happy media men.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Safety absolutely, and when you do a good one and
you sit in the car, it's like, oh, that's the best.
It's just like all molded to me. And it's really
relaxing feeling. And when you do a bad one, you know,
because it's like you can't wait to get out of
the thing. So Chrissy, I wish you a wonderful rest
of your week in your planning endeavors for your ice driving.
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And thanks for coming on for that time of the
month again and I love you peeps.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Thank you for including me. It was a closure as
always and I look forward to the next one. Do
you bye.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
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week's edition of Throttle Therapy with Me Catherine Legg. And
you know what, guys, it is at that time of
the month with Christina Nielsen. Hi, Chrissy?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hello, how are you? I'm very good?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
How are you very good? What have you been up
to this Woman's History month? Anything exciting?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We have exciting stuff coming up? Does that count? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Absolutely, funny exciting stuff that does count.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes. I am excited because I do have quite a
few women actually coming on the next driving experience, which
is going to be ice driving. So out of a
group of sixteen, I believe I have six women. Wow,
quite a good ratio compared to what we normally have.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's amazing. So actually, I don't know whether the listeners
know this, but you started over here, and you have
to remind me when it was you started an organization
called Accelerating Change. I did, Yes, that was a while ago, now.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It was it was back in eighteen, we started hosting
track days. The purpose of the organization was to create
events and experiences within the automotive space cater to women.
But with my background and I love when people take
an action with what they're doing and not just participating
(01:39):
and sitting on the sideline. Here, the women actually get
to challenge themselves and get more confident behind the wheels.
So our primary focus was track days, and we did
quite a few of those four women and had around
thirty five to fifty five women at the events, so amazing. Yeah,
it was pretty cool. It was a great little community
that we got to put together that I did together
(02:01):
with a woman named Mariana Small.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So you just saw a gap in the market and thought,
women want to be able to drive and do this stuff,
but they're intimidated by doing it with the guys, and
we're going to set up something cool and independent of that.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, we kind of functioned as a springboard.
We saw a lot of the women that were not
feeling too confident about joining one of the normal track
days with them having very little experience or no experience.
So we essentially created events that had an environment where
the people and the women that were quite green could
come test it out, get a feel for it, and
(02:38):
we did see quite a few of them afterwards join
various clubs and were more confident about going on track
with men and women at the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's amazing. Did you notice any difference between like a
women only track day and a normal track day.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean, we definitely had a lot more beginners. Normally
have free levels, you have beginner into media and experts.
Here we had primarily or two thirds of the participants
were green, and I've never done a track day before.
The cool thing was the women listened, so while they
might start a bit slower, we saw a massive progression
throughout the day and normally really good feedback from the
(03:20):
instructors as well, because they were working well together. We
take instruction, yes, we do. Definitely. I enjoyed that part,
and for me, the best thing was just seeing how
happy the women were when getting out of the car
and just enjoying driving and getting more confident behind the wheel.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That's lovely. So going back to the ice driving thing
that you're planning, then, have you ever done ice driving?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You know what I went last weekend. I went there
to just prepare in terms of understanding the logistics, the layout,
the procedures, and it is such a cool thing. I
got to drive a bit as well. It is one
of the most fun things I've ever done in my life.
I want to decide. I know you have to at
some point. It's basically everything we have not been allowed
(04:06):
to that you get to do all day long.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Sideways drifting, yeah, and nothing to.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Take it off exactly. If you go off, you go
into the snow. You know, you wait for the for
the truck to come pull you out. And if I
can do it with a shovel and pushing, then I'll
do it. But otherwise, you know, it's yeah, it's pretty harmless.
If you do something, all you lose is a bit
of time.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh that's amazing. So how many of these snow days,
the ice driving days, are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
We have a group of sixteen joining us for four days,
so it's a full program Friday through Monday.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Is that some we Scandinavian?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I take it yes, very north up where like the
forest or when you're flying there, all you see your
trees and snow and like frozen lakes, and that's essentially
what we're using. We're using one of the frozen lakes.
What they've created layouts like, so for example, there is
a full monocle that they get to drive, oh wow. Yeah,
and there's a smaller version, like a smaller scale of SPA.
(05:10):
And they have a few others as well, and then
some also that they created with their imagination, a combination
of coal corners. Yeah, yeah, we're going to have to
do that at some Yes, we have to go and
do it together.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, that would be fun, but without any responsibility, So
it wouldn't be one of your days that we'll go
and do it on somebody else.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, we'll be guests. We'll be guests and we'll share
a car.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That would be amazing, and stay in like an igloo
or something.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I don't know if I would like to stay. I
get called easily, so we can go from the logs
with a fireplace. I know. People always tell me this,
how can you be called here from Denmark? And my
answer is I really like California. I got used to
that kind of weather when I lived there, and I
haven't exactly transitioned since I moved back.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Tell me something, I've heard this and I don't know
whether it's complete rubbish and you might tell me that's
complete rubbish, but I've had in Denmark the moms leave
their babies in the strollers outside places in the cold
so that they will get more hardy. Is that true.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I don't like that part, but I do know that
we do that because we feel very safe with where
we live. I think other places you are afraid that
your baby's going to get kidnapped. In den Bugg it's like, okay,
you have enough clothes on, you know, you have your
full on one seat made for winter, and your blanket
and everything. And we go and park you and we
(06:37):
go have coffee or maybe something stronger than coffee because
we walk everywhere so we don't have to get behind
the wheel afterwards.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And yeah, and they do cold plunges in the in
the sea as well.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
They Yeah, the idiots do. I'm not one of them, now,
I'm kidding. I mean, I hear it's really good for you,
so I think it's I think it's an amazing thing.
But oh, I'm just not that brave.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I dispute this because last summer when we were here
on ather Lake, we did the cold plunges and you
were very good at during the cold plunges with me.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, but what we have to share with the listeners
is that was not a real cold plunge and literalized.
That's why when Catherine qualifies as a cold plus, not
actually a cold plunge. It's like a cold pool. Yes,
the Icess water ratio was maybe a little bit off,
just saying, if we're going to be transparent.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It felt cold to me. And I think you did well.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Thank you. Yeah, we're supportive here of each other, yes, very.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yes, and especially saying as it is Women's History Month
and I'd be a mess not to mention it. I
don't know how I feel about that. By the way,
what do you think?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
What's your first thought that comes like, what's what's the
first part that comes to mind when somebody says Women's
History months.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think about all like the incredible badass women that
were back in the day, like going off from fighting
wars and inventing really cool stuff and like breaking barriers
and doing like the stuff that was unheard of.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like the Boston Marathon kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, yeah, what about you.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think there's definitely some some really inspirational moments that
have happened, but they were also really the first, like
the first woman to ever run a marathon, you know,
ran it even though men tried to pull her out
of the race and didn't want her to be there.
Like the fact that we're talking about whether you would
(08:41):
even be allowed to participate. That I think is the
highest form of groundbreaking achievement. I agree that you can have. Yeah,
I think in our era there are still first to
be made and we should never neglect them. And I think,
you know, when you look back at our driving history,
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there hasn't been that many women racing at the same time,
and there's definitely been a bit of a shift. There's
more women, even though it's very male dominated still. But
it's I wouldn't say it's quite it's not quite the same.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I don't think it is either. I mean you look
at like Janet Guthrie and people like that, there weren't
even women's restrooms in the pit back then. Like that's
a whole other level in mind.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I do appreciate that the women's bathrooms at the racetrack
are also available all the time because there's not that
many women, so that small benefit. A line at the racetrack, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You know what, there has been a line a couple
of times, and I feel really bad because I'll be
in my raceuit ready to go and there'll be a
line and I'm like, well, it's about three minutes until
they say drivers to your cars, so I'm going to
have to push in front of all these people and
they're like looking at me, and half of them are like,
how dare you? And half of them are like, oh, no,
you go girl, you know, and sorry, sorry, just gonna
(10:03):
sorry my bad as you make your way to the
front of the line. It happened to me at Daytona
and I was like, I don't know how I feel
about this.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think you're excuse, Yeah, you have a deadline. I
have a deadline. Yeah, you have a deadline. At that point,
I think there's I think there's a few women also
if we and of course we know the world of motorsports,
but you know, people coming back after having babies, like
I don't remember which one of the Williams sisters did
(10:32):
tennis players, but I mean that I also think, you know,
going through that with your body and then going back
and competing and being competitive, that I think is also
quite an achievement to be celebrating.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, because you can't even imagine. But you know what
a lot it is right now, right, Like it's really
hard to be physically in shape enough and strong enough
and all the things, and like mentally all the draws
on your te and how difficult it is to get
everything scheduled, and like it's a lot. Imagine adding a
baby into that makes like I cuted us to them
(11:08):
for doing it, and I don't think I could.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, No, it's the you know, the mail drivers, if
they have a girlfriend or a wife that's been pregnant,
then you know they're within that two or three weeks window.
They're like, hey, guys, I'm going to stand by if
I need to fly home because my wife or girlfriend
is having our baby. It's it's not exactly the same
scenario of being a woman, is.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It, No, Because then like after the birth they can
go jump in a race car again, whereas exactly, Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I also feel like that's a sacrifice
that you make to do what you want to do.
In a way, like a lot of sports people myself included,
haven't had kids because they want to compete and they're
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not willing to take any time away and do that.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, I mean, I think the beautiful thing is I
should never feel like you have to do something just
because it's maybe the social norm. I think it's great
for those who want to have kids, who have kids,
and for those who want to pursue other aspects of
life that they have the ability to go and do.
So what would be one bucketless item one race that
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you haven't done that you still wish you could do?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Easy? Oh, I know them, it's queasy yeah, Okay, okay,
this is this is a test of how good are friends?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
We are?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
There's actually like three, but two of them pretty pretty important.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
What do you think it is?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
My number one?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Lemon?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Okay, that's my number two?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Okay, Bath first? Yes, yeah, I actually thought, like that's
why I said down Under before I bought bath First. Definitely,
but then I also realized lamon.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
But definitely bad this. I don't know what it is
about it, but I want to do it in an
Ozzi V eight too, Like, yes, I want to do
the GT Car one because I would take an element
of the race that I already know, like the car right,
But to do it in the AUSSI V eight just
seems so Australian, like it's like the Australian version of NASCAR.
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You know, it's just like big and brilliant, badass and
the track is crazy and then you got kangaroos hopping
all over it and I mean, you've driven there, haven't you.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I did the race one year. I have to say
now this was GT Racing. But the Supercar Series, I
feel like the way Australian races their national championship. It's
almost like I wouldn't say it's IndyCar every weekend, but
IndyCar is like, you know, or Indy five hundred sorry,
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is the biggest race of the year. They really have
a big fan base, a lot of engagement, Like the
population is really supportive of the supercart Series. It is
very cool to watch how popular motorsport and their own
series is in this country. Denmark is not like that.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
What is the biggest racing series in Denmark?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh man, I don't even know. There's two series, DTC
and SUPERDT and it's very Danish. We don't have the
best tracks either. I still think the best place in
the world if you want to go racing somewhere and
your focus is to drive some of the best circuits
in the world America without a doubt. I think there
(14:38):
are populous items like Bathurst and Spa, but in America
that you just keep ticking off the list. Roade Atlanta,
Michelin Raceway. I would say, what can splen road America?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like, there's just so many great tracks.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, I remember certain someone getting polled at Laguna Sega.
Do you know I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That's a great race. Actually, do you remember the race
there where you were with Ali and I was with
Andy and they went head to head for the battling
for the win at the end there.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah. And I also remember Watkins Glenn two years back
to back and they were battling and one year you
guys were in front, one year we were in front. No,
but yeah, we definitely saw those guys, Andy and Alessandra
going head to head a few times. But I think
very cool thing about it was they always raced hard
but fair. Well.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's what a lot of the new drivers coming in
don't understand is that when you're established and you've got
such a great reputation as Andy and Ali had, the
only way you get to have a twenty year career
or more or be that, you know, get employed year
after year is if you do fight people fair and
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you are well respectant, because you can't take somebody out
and then expect them not to do it to you.
And so I think that there's just a mutual respect.
You know, they respect each other for being fast, they
respect each other for being fair, and they know where
the limit is and where they can push it. And
I'd like to think that we're the same. But you
see that with a lot of people. You see that
was like Brian Sellers and Madison who we were also
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racing against at the time, and then you know the
crazy people who to stay away from, and they don't
get that same respect, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I do think also that a lot of people saw
you and and and as a strong duel like working
well together. From our side, I can definitely also say
I loved working with Alessandro. I had two great years
with him, and I think two other people in the
paddock were the ones you just mentioned. I think it
really shows that great teamwork is a part of making
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you a championship contender also winning. But yeah, like Brian
and Madison definitely had such a beautiful collaboration.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, but I think I mean I've been lucky. I've
had a few really good teammates, like when I was
teammates with Aura, he was amazing, amazing. I've also had
some bad ones, but I think you click with people right.
Like we were teammates, we got on really well. We
had other things dynamics within the team that we had
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to deal with. But I think when you click with
a team, when you click with an engineer, when you
click with your co driver, it just works. And engineer
is also important, really important. Yeah, And so I don't
know whether you can't manufacture that. Some people you get
on with, some people you like they speak your language,
(17:43):
so to say, and some people don't.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And so I sometimes do some speaking engagement. We talk
about how to optimize teamwork and how to create great
performance within the team. And on the last one, I
pulled up a slide that I created and I listed
every attribute that I could think of that I think
would be a nice quality for a leaders last team
(18:08):
to have, like the leaders should present the values of
the team that he or she is creating, right. And
the people saw the list and said, we can't have
all of those, and I said, you absolutely cannot. So
you need to make a priority list of what's important
to you. And I think there's a lot of trading
that you can do in terms of what we've done
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in racing, how a good racing team is built that
you can also build teams in other industries with. And
I think who you are as a person, your values,
the type of team that you want to put together
is going to be a reflection of you, and you
need to prioritize what is important. And sometimes a person
might not be a great fit for a team, but
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doesn't mean that the team is bad. It just means
that it wasn't the right fit for you. And I
think I think you have also driven for teams where
you know, you knew this is not a bad team,
like they're good, but it didn't just quite click. It
wasn't quite right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Different personalities, Yeah, been a bad situation too. It's interesting,
but I think that's the same for all walks of life, right, Yeah. Absolutely,
It's like some people are friends and some people aren't friends.
Doesn't mean that they're bad people, they just don't have
the same energy and vibes that you have. And I
think when it works, it works. And I think testament
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to that is like an MSR and the team that
might put together. Those guys have been there forever, you know,
they don't.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That speaks to it.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, they love it there. It's interesting to see
the different dynamics between the different teams and how personalities
gravitate towards certain teams. But you don't always get the
luxury of choosing either, right, Like you get employed by
whoever whenever, depending on manufacturer and a lot of other
things too.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, it's a combination.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And when it's bad, it's really bad, I know.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Crying, yeah, calling each other what am I doing here?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I think the thing that you know is the beautiful thing.
And the very difficult thing about racing is that everything
is so intense. So when you have a good teammate
that you are together with for maybe seven in the
morning until ten in the evening, it's great because you
feel like you're together and you are your family away
from your family, and you're building something amazing, you're creating momentum,
(20:35):
and you're doing a good job together and you're working together.
But when you're within an environment where you don't feel
comfortable and you don't feel like you fit in, and
it might not be the right place for you. Ooh,
those weekends can be long and it can be extremely draining.
Now we still get to drive race cars, so we're
(20:55):
still very lucky, but doesn't change the fact that it
can be mentally exhausting.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, they've done that for the T shirt. I've been
been all over the place with it, to be honest.
But where you feel the most supported as well, and
where you can do the most supporting role, I think
that's really important for me anyway. I don't know whether
it's the same for the guys or not. I bet
it is. I bet they just don't have the balls
to say it.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, I don't want to show weakness more honest about it, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
but I think it's it's a side of the industry
that I think a lot of people can relate to.
But if you're a fan, you might not know what's
going on. You might not understand it always. I remember
one time I I had a teammate that crashed at
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Daytona on the formation lap, and that meant we had
to drive two hours behind the race, Like we're literally
driving in circles with no purpose really and a car
that was turning to the last every time you break.
And yeah, that was a very long race, and I
was just no, I had nothing to give, like mentally,
(22:08):
when I was outside the car and a fan stopped me,
and I was running towards the garage when it happened
to understand how bad it was, and a fan wanted
to stop me to take a photo. And I understand
at that time, you're thinking, Okay, the races just started.
That driver is not busy because the person is not
in the car and you know the starting drivers in it.
And I told no, I don't have time. Reality was,
(22:29):
you know, I was kind of I don't want to
use some word devastated, but I was completely out of
energy because I'm walking back to a garage before the
race has even started, and this is our start to
the season, and I didn't have the bandwidth to talk
to anybody. And we want to be good role models,
good to brand ambassadors for the team, ourselves the championship,
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but sometimes there's more stuff going on than I think
a lot of people see from the outside.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Will they say that in general? Don't they that if
people are being mean, then it's not about you, it's
more about them and what they're going through personally. And
so I think about that a lot, but like this
past weekend, I had lots of different fan experiences and
a new paddock right, a lot of very positive ones,
(23:19):
a lot of negative ones if I'm honest to you,
where some guy shouts out which LOVEE you can crash on,
and then seeing a lot of a lot of other
stuff and it makes you guarded. It makes you think, Okay,
I know that the majority of it is still very
positive and you're still a role model for all these
(23:41):
young girls that you have to do the right thing.
But also it smarts a little bit when you think
I'm giving an autograph to a guy who just asks
me what lap I'm going to crash on? Like this
doesn't seem right? Yeah, So it's tough sometimes. Honestly, I
understand think why drivers get jaded and don't want to
(24:03):
be as friendly as they can be and want to
keep a distance. But I also I try really hard
not to be that person and not to let that
get to me and just think, Okay, what are those
people going through?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah? I think I guess this is the cool thing
that we get to talk about this on this podcast
because it is important, like for me that people hear this,
Like I you know, this was back in twenty eighteen.
I still remember that moment with that guy, and a
part of me wish I'd stopped, like why couldn't it
take three seconds to stop and take a photo? Of
(24:35):
course I could have, I didn't have the mental bandwidth
for it at that point. I my head was just
needing to understand what was going on with the car,
what was going to happen. That was consuming our world
at that point. But I think I think this much
about this or this situation. I remember it. I wish
sometimes the fans that shout out stuff like oh which
(24:59):
lack are you? And a crash on had a little
bit more thought behind what comes out of their mouths,
because it's.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
It's not very kind, No, But do you think that
they don't. I mean, they're not doing it to be kind.
They're not very kind to people if they say something
like that. I don't think I've ever said anything negative
like that on purpose to try and get a reaction
out of somebody, no matter what was going on in
my head. So I just think I feel sorry for them.
I think it's sad, honestly, because they they must be
(25:31):
there must be a thought process with them that they're
either jealous, right because they want to be doing what
you're doing, or they are I mean, they're for the.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Wrong reasons, like it's entertainment in the wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Form, entertainment, Yeah, something like that. And I just think, Okay, well, A,
I don't really value your opinion because you're not somebody
who has done anything that I would ask for an
opinion or of a value or respect or anything like that.
So all you're doing by trying to bring me down
is making me feel sorry for you, and it makes
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me like go into this whole psyche thing and wonder why.
Like I always think my parents said, if you don't
have anything nice to say, don't say it's to all,
And of course I've said me and stuff with my
mindset all the time, but I don't do it to
complete strangers, to try and bring them down. And I just,
I guess I just don't understand it a lot of it.
But it does make you look at everybody in a
(26:27):
slightly different light, and then you can't do that. You've
got to be kind to everybody and assume the best,
even though there are some people like that.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I will say though, in the msipatic where you and
I spent the majority of our time. Those are some
of the nicest fans really are so sweet and understanding
and positive and supportive, and we joke with them and
I've gotten several presents. One of the best ones that
I ever got, I had well too, at one where
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like a a broach and has said have no fear
the dan is here. I was cute. And then a
person came and gave me an en So Ferrari book,
like a really old one, and he had ear marked
the chapter that said Ferrari and Women, and I still
have that one. It's with my trophies. I have quite
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a few of the presents actually, so that's just so thoughtful,
I know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, there are so many nice, loving fans out there.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
To you, it's a weird I do a good job.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's a weird life. We live thinking about these things,
you know, because majority of people don't have that, and
they don't think about it and they don't have to
think about how they are in front of these people.
But it's like I just reposted on my Instagram this
little girl sitting in front of the TV cheering me
(27:55):
on because I was a girl and she could relate
to me and stuff. Like that makes my heart so
happy that she sees that and thinks that she could
do be a driver, or be an engineer or do
whatever because she sees somebody else doing it that it
makes it all worthwhile. Really, I need to plan a
(28:24):
trip to Denmark because I've never been to Denmark, and
you come and visit me a lot, and it's definitely
my turn to make the effort. And so at some
point we need to sit down and do diaries and
so I can come to Denmark and you can show
me all the cool things, especially seeing as I saw
some stuff on Instagram that was like the food over
(28:45):
there looks amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It is I was about to say, I know a
lot of restaurants, but we can go to it. This
is my favorite type of activity.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
But it has to be in the summer because your
weather looks as bad as in England.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Basically, yes, pretty awful. Yeah, but it is nice during
the summer and everybody sits outside and have drinks or
coffee or whatever it might be. It's a city where
you can walk everywhere, so everybody are walking around and
just enjoying the weather. A lot of dog owners and
they have their dogs with them at the cafes, et cetera,
(29:19):
and oh it's just perfect. Yeah, you know that those
ten days out of the year we might have this
kind of weather. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Problem is it's like you have that weather when it's
the middle of race season, so it's really hard to plan.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah. Yeah, that was not the greatest planning on Behalfable
racing series. Of course, nothing to make it wearing.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, but we also have the plan that when we
start racing or maybe oh we're going to move to Spain,
We're going to move to Spain.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. You know, I saw this
article about five girlfriends that bought a house to get
her to live in, and I thought, this is some
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Five I know, but I don't think I have five
girlfriends that I would actually want to live with. There's people, yeah, exactly.
There's a halful of people that I can stand being
in my personal space. And I'm not that easy. I mean,
neither of us are that easy. But with we just
we're lucky.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
We're together, exactly. Yeah, And I think it's one of
the things with teammates, the reason why you get so close.
I remember the first race weekend that I did with
Alessandro after spending the roar and they tone her with him.
I was like, Oh, I've known this guy forever. You
spent so much time together. It really speeds up the
process of getting to know somebody.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
And it's intimate time too.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
With the whole race team, it's like a circus. You
just I mean, you get yours exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, half it together, You're frustrated together, you celebrate together,
you you know, drawing your stors together. Like it's all
a lot of feelings.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Oh, speaking about getting close, have you ever peeen in
the seat once?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Did you once?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I know we get asked this, We'll always get this question.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, and I never have.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I've gotten the question. Can you drive while being on
your period? Yes? I can. I don't know, like people
go to work, people go running, people do all sorts
of things. I don't know why to stop me from Yeah,
I don't think. I don't think it limits us to
(31:32):
driving a car. But yeah, I was once asked that
during a radio interview.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's incredible to me.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Was it a man? I believe so, Yes, it was
not a woman.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So I remember in two thousand and six, Jimmy Vassa,
who was one of the team miners for the champ
Card team that I drove for at Milwaukee, first oval
race I've ever done, and he said, you just got
You've got to learn to let it go, man, And
I was like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's so hard, it's so difficult. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Twenty years in your life, yes, holding it, Yes, I
couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
The only reason why, and like was because there was
a safety car. And at that point when you're driving,
you can feel it, but you're also so concentrated regarding
you know, driving and what you're doing and everything and
what's going on. But then when the safety car comes around,
oh you have all the time in the world. And
I had to fee so badly, but I cannot explain how.
(32:30):
This was probably the biggest challenge of the weekend was
to actually do it while I was sitting.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
There, the focus that you need to have, like I
think I'd have to close.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It was so hard. It was so strange.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I never have. I know a lot of drivers do,
and I know a lot of my co drivers do.
And that's one thing that like totally grows me out,
is that when you do a driver change and you
get in the car, You're like, E know, it's wet.
This is very unpleasant.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't know if I've actually sat in it, Like,
I don't know if I've jumped in, asked somebody, or
I've just not noticed. I don't know. I don't know
a lot of people I think of my teammates at
least that I know, did it.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I guess there's one benefit. If you're smaller and you
have an insert that you can put in, then you're
always sitting in your insert.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Ah, that's true. Yeah, but that's not me. It's not me,
because I was.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Like, I would drive whoever's however. Actually that was interesting
because I get in the NASCAR and they're like, where
do you want to sit? And I'm like, I don't know.
You tell me where I want to sit, because I
know where I need to be in an IndyCar, but
in a sports car, I've spent my entire career going
with like whatever my co driver who was normally bigger
(33:41):
than me, right like Andy, I'd sit in his seat,
or if it was an am or, I'd sit in
their seat to make it more comfortable for them. Yeah,
so you kind of get used to driving whatever however,
and I know, like these cars are awkward as it is,
so I didn't know where I wanted to be in
and that's girl was like, I don't know. This feels
(34:02):
about right, like it's not going to stop me doing anything.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Do they give you any pointers of where you want
to be compared to the car in terms of like
what you can see, you know where they were eyes wise?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, and they moved the head rest and they actually
moved the head rest for the race. So the head
rest was great for me in on practice day, and
then they moved it because NASCAR said that it was
too low because apparently I do this really weird thing
and they all make it fun of me for it
because when I hit the.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Brake, I pop up. So they said, it's really funny.
You did it on the simulated and we were all laughing.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I can see your head popping up like when you
pushed like, oh, like question, you could see up.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
So NASCAR said, okay, you need to move the headrest,
and they moved it, and they wouldn't let me sit
in it to try it because you're not allowed in
the garage with the car the rules anyway. So I'm
sat in the car, I'm about to go race, and
my head is sandwiched because this head is cut. Move
my head and I can't see and I can't reach
the switches and like I can literally not see over
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the dash, and I'm like, oh, oh, this will be interesting.
It's a good job. I've had twenty years of training
in a sports card to driving whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
However, how did it feel doing the race then? Was
it okay while you're actually driving?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, because you never notice these things when you're actually driving,
do you.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I don't know, you don't, I do? I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Oh that's right, Yeah, yeah, you're very.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, I'm very specific. It's definitely one of my one
of my bad trades. I was always very sensitive with
the seat, and I think it's bad.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Everybody just has their things that they need to get right.
The seat is not it for me, but if it
is for you, then that's just one of those things
that you need to feel comfortable and confident to drive.
I don't think it's bad.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean, was it very different making a seat
for it? Because we have two different ways of making
a seat for the for the GT cars, right, but
what about Nascar?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It's the same seat.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, oh that's nice. Yeah good.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, he's easy and it was actually really easy, like
the team made it super easy. It literally got that.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Andy came with me.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It was like new Year for the It was the ark,
the seat that I also used in the in the
right cup car.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
What about Indy?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Indy they make it the same too, but they tell you,
you know, they know exact measurements of what you want
to be in an IndyCar and you are laying down
in an IndyCar pretty much whereas you're totally upright like
in a GT car. I guess in the NASCAR, but
Andy came with me.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
There's quite a few IndyCar drirists that have you know,
some are quite a bit taller than you. I mean,
some are maybe a little bit shorter than you, but
I don't assume much shortest. How are you How are
they adjusted, like with the seats, et cetera, Like what
do you what do you move round or would you
add depending on your height because that's a big thing, right,
(37:04):
Like you want to be sitting one hundred percent right
when you're driving around. All was especially I assume.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
They move the pedals and they move the steering wheel
and then they want your head lower than the halo,
so it doesn't create any drag and anything like that,
and so within that space you can kind of move around.
I don't like having big bass under my bum because
I feel like it makes it a little bit more
numb feeling the car, so I like to be sat
(37:32):
as low as possible. I also think that it forces
you to look as far ahead as possible, which is
a good thing. Sometimes I get it wrong, sometimes I
get it right. Sometimes I'm like, this is the best
seat I've ever made, and then I drive it and I'm.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Like, ugh, yeah. Sometimes it's try to know and tell
your driver h yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
And like my indie seat last year was terrible. It
gave me a really bad backache, and I think it
was just the way that the spine was, plus the
fact that I ate my feelings before were indy last
year and put on a little bit away. Then I
lost it against then I was like slopping around in
the seat, So that wasn't good either. It was yeah,
(38:08):
PEMA nightmare. Lots of lesson planned, even at this stage
in my career.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I think also people sometimes think it's more more complicated
than what it actually is I remember one of the
seats because men typically have wider or broader shoulders right
than women do. So for example, in one of my
seats with one of my male code drivers, we put
one of those little air balloons that is inflatable and
(38:33):
deflatable inside the seat. Yeah, and then you basically squeeze
this puffy thing and it goes and then then yeah,
at letir bag And that was how we adjusted how
broad the width of the shoulders were.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
The problem is they fail a lot, and I've had that.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I never had You're stuck. Yeah that's bad. Okay, so
never had that issue. They never failed like it for us.
But yeah, I think sometimes people think it's more high
tech than it is. This is a quite simple solution,
but sometimes simple works.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah. I mean back in my day, I get my days.
How well, we had two pot film seats right where
you literally mix the kind of foam and then pour
it in a bag and then get it in your
hair and on your seat, and it was a nightmare
and it would like expand around you. But now they
have this process where they add you've got like a
bag of bulls or whatever that you sit in, yes,
(39:34):
and they add the glue stuff and you can mold
it to you and then they suck the air out
and then it takes a minute, but it sets. And
so that makes it easy because if you're like, well
I don't have quite so much here and I want
this there, it's much more adaptable. And there are people
who do it as a job. They go around and
make seats for all the drivers, and they know exactly
(39:56):
where you want to be sat and they know what
they're doing, and so it's a kind of a full
proof method rather than the two part foam and a
big trash bag method that we used to use vacuum
my day.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I mean, I think some people still use it, right,
but it's also a cheaper version. But the little fluffy
white whatever they're called flamingo balls, I mean, we're so
yea refined right here.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
What it is like play starring or squishy, But.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It works well and it's it's amazing. I mean I
kind of feel like it's a it's an art in itself. Yeah,
the guys or the women were really good at doing that,
so it's yeah, it's an important and integral part of
I guess being comfortable as a driver and flann safety
happy media men.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Safety absolutely, and when you do a good one and
you sit in the car, it's like, oh, that's the best.
It's just like all molded to me. And it's really
relaxing feeling. And when you do a bad one, you know,
because it's like you can't wait to get out of
the thing. So Chrissy, I wish you a wonderful rest
of your week in your planning endeavors for your ice driving.
(41:08):
And thanks for coming on for that time of the
month again and I love you peeps.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Thank you for including me. It was a closure as
always and I look forward to the next one. Do
you bye.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Thanks for listening to Throttle Therapy. We'll be back next
week with more updates and more overtakes. We want to
hear from you. Leave us a review in Apple Podcasts
and tell us what you want to talk about. It
might just be the topic for our next show. Throttle
Therapy is hosted by Katherine Legg. Our executive producer is
Jesse Katz, and our supervising producer is Grace Fuse. Listen
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