The Evolution of a Racing Team with Jordan Anderson

On this episode of Throttle Therapy, Katherine Legge is joined by Jordan Anderson, driver and team owner of Jordan Anderson Racing. Anderson shares how he went from racing to building his own NASCAR team in the Xfinity Series. They discuss the challenges of team ownership, the culture he's built, and his passion for helping drivers succeed.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Throttle Therapy with Katherine Legg is an iHeart women's sports
production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. Hello, Hello,
and welcome to this week's episode of Throttle Therapy with
Me Katherine Legg, and I am extremely proud to introduce

(00:22):
this week's guest. I have worked very closely with him
this year and he's become a friend, a mentor, a
little bit of a driver coach sometimes and also my
team owner. It is Jordan Anderson. Jordan has been an
amazing role model for me in more ways than one.
He's obviously a great race card driver. He has built

(00:45):
a team from scratch, and he has surrounded himself with
just some awesome human beings. Like the team is great,
it's filled with everybody is amazing and I love them
all very much. And he's just done a fantastic job
of getting me up to speed in an Exfinity car.
And I'm very honored to be able to call him

(01:08):
a friend, and I think we have a very similar upbringing. Okay,
he was on this side of the pond. I was
on the other side of the pond. I was doing
go cutting. He was doing midgets and dirt and all
the things that you're going to hear about coming up here,
So not the same, but kind of the same. So
we have like a parallel path that we ran up
until the point he decided to get into business and

(01:29):
run a team, which boggles my mind because there's so
much work involved. So it's fascinating to me to see
how he can drive and be a team owner at
the same time and keep all of those balls in
the air. He works harder than anybody else I know.
Welcome to the pod to Jordan Anderson.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Thank you. Thanks for having me plenty to talk about.
We've had quite a year and all kind of good
things going on, so definitely lots of talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I know, I'm fascinated by people's stories, and so I
wanted to start by talking about your story and your
journey through racing to get to this year and to
get to how I met you and we started working together.
But like I wanted to start at the beginning because
having met your dad and having obviously you met my dad,

(02:12):
there's a bunch of similarities, and I think it's fascinating
that halfway across the globe we've had kind of relatively
similar stories. Although I have to say, I don't think
I would ever get into earning a team because it
looks way too stressful. But when did you start in racing?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
And how Yeah, it definitely was cool getting to know
your dad and then at Indy when my dad was
there and your dad was there, like hearing them swap
stories and you had the big ocean between us. But
how much similarity there was. So that's just the cool
thing in racing in general. As you look at soccer, baseball, football,
there's typically a pretty standard route of how you get

(02:47):
from your high school to college to pro like that
path is pretty well laid out. In racing, like it's
there's no path that's consistent from driver to drive, like
there's similarities, but everybody has their own journey. But I
think I was probably four or five years old, and
back then, like I still fairly vividly remember it is
ESPN Classics used to air like old races from like

(03:09):
the nineties, So I was born in ninety one, so
this would have been ninety seven to ninety eight, like
it was showing early nineties, late eighties, and like just
loved it. It would be on late at night like
that was always like the thing that I love to
watch as a kid and told my parents, like them
there on the spot, you know, as a five six
year old, I'm like, this is what I want to be.
I want to be a race car driver one day.
And I'm sure for them they are like, all right,

(03:30):
we're just going to put that in a category of
cowboy spaceman race car driver. Like you can do anything
you want to do when you grow up. You just
just you know, believe. And I was six and our
neighbor told us about a go kart race going on
on the other side of town, and it was a
WKA National race on dirt quarter mile track. And we

(03:53):
head out there and we're sitting in the grand stands
and my mom and dad are both pretty social people,
and we're sitting there and we walk around and like,
you know, I see that there's kids my age out
there racing. I'm like, wow, this is cool, Like they're
like me and I want to do this. And my
parents kind of hit off with a family that was
in the grandstand and there was a kid that was there.
His name was Nick Hutcheons and he actually still in

(04:14):
the race and he works at has now, but he
was like four or five years I'm older than me,
but he was a two or three time national champion
in WK. But he'd got a direct broke his wrist.
So he was out of the car that night and
kind of got talking. Come to find out, we only
lived a few blocks from their house in Columbia, South Carolina,
where I was from, and they were like, hey, he's
gonna get his cast off next week. If you want

(04:34):
to come try and drive on his go carts, you're
more than welcome to come out and cut a few
laps and see if this is really what you want
to do. And so I go out there and they
let me borrow his jacket and the helmet. You know,
back then the go carts, Like all you wore was
tennis shoes, jeans, and the like the leather jacket that
you wore over all that stuff and and your helmets.
So went out did that. There's a picture of me
somewhere and helmets like three sizes too big, the seat's

(04:55):
too big. I'm like moving around. But I knew right
then and there that's that's what I wanted to do.
So I fell in love on the spot, and we
had no idea, like we weren't a racing family. My dad
was in real estate and my mom owned a hair salon,
and you know, I remember the first race that we
went to, somebody's like, hey, you really need to look
at your front end the toes out, and we looked
at our feet like we were clueless on anything to

(05:17):
do with racing and set up. But my dad had
his little lawn trailer and we had our go cart
and off we went and race go carts. From the
time I was seven, eight, nine, ten eleven, we would
run nine or ten races a year. Nothing crazy, had
a lot of travel, and we just kind of stayed
South Carolina, North Carolina. And then two thousand and two

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they had an exhibition race at one of the go
kart tracks I ran with the Bandalero cars, a little
small made by the Legend Car Company, a US Ledgend Cars,
and they brought out an exhibition and for a couple
hundred bucks you could run some laps and it did
that and that was kind of when this journey started.
When moving to bangel Aira's because my dad was like, hey,
we will help buy the Bandallero kind of help get
you going. But if this is something you want want

(06:00):
to keep doing, we get to figure out a way
to pay for all this. And we went to our
first banele our race and he's like, see these other
race cars. They have logos on them and sponsors, and
yours is white. We got to do something about this.
And that was when my parents both self employed, very
much entrepreneurs. They kind of helped me put together three
ring binder and the deck and all this stuff as

(06:20):
a twelve year old and just kind of got talking
to people we knew and got some connections, and basically
what they would do is they put together this little
three ring binder that we put together, and they kind
of helped me with with putting together, and they would
basically get a meeting set up with owners these businesses,
and I would go in as a twelve year old
and sell my case and say, hey, this is what
I'm doing, here's what I can do for you, and.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I love this so much.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Were you winning good? So the first year, we had
a local franchisee that owned three Chick fil as, he
signed on, he gave us a check. That was that's
why I still love Chick fil Ay this day. Another
that I know about that's that's and I still can't.
We got to get you to chick fl one day.
It's a must. The other one was a car dealer

(07:03):
in Columbia. He owned vol of the Mercedes Twitter dealership
and that was probably where the biggest life lesson came.
Twelve years old, walk into his dealership, his office on
the second floor, walk up there, pitch him my case.
Here's what I can do for you. My race is
gonna be broadcast on Speed Channel. Back then, like here's
the whole deal. And I remember this day I walked in.
This was two thousand and two. So I asked for
twenty five hundred dollars to be on the hood, which

(07:26):
was the Bandelaira's back then were five or six thousand dollars.
Pitch my case, asked for twenty five hundred dollars. He's like,
thanks for your time, We'll be in touch. And I
walked down the steps. I'm almost out of his dealership
showroom for and he calls me back up and I'm like, oh,
did I do something wrong? Did I see something wrong
on my in trouble? And his name was Dick Dyer,
and he was probably in his seventies at the time,

(07:47):
and he said, I'm gonna teach you a big life
lesson right here. He said, you're selling yourself short. Gotta
shoot for hire. He said, I'm gonna give you a
check for five thousand dollars today here on the spot.
I want to be on the hood of your Bandallero,
and I want to teach you a little lesson here
that you always shoot for more and everyone centter fors
you just need to keep viewing yourself better, you keep
selling yourself more if you want to make it in
the sport. I mean that's that was twenty three, twenty two,

(08:09):
twenty eight years ago, and I stuck with me ever since.
And that was kind of where the sponsorship side and
understanding the business side kind of started from there and
Randon ben Aleerro's for two years, we traveled around a
little bit with that and we were still doing it
out of our house in South Carolina. And when I
was I guess I was fourteen, moved in Legend Car
series and that's where I had a lot of success.
And Legend cars were big back then. The summer shoot

(08:30):
out at Charlotte they would have and semi pro you'd
have sixty of them, seventy of them show up and
so there was like a mains be Maine. It was
like what the Chili Bowl is now. That's how Legend. Yeah,
you know, you were happy just to make the a
main and semi pro. Back then, you know, there were
seamanes and d Manes and all that stuff going on.
But ran semipro that year in two thousand and four,

(08:50):
and then in two thousand and five started to kind
of get the hang of it, kept some more sponsorship
and won the Nationals that year up in Lake Erie, Pennsylvania.
That was really big. And then moved up to two
thousand and six, moved up to the pro class and
Legend Cars did that and ran a late model truck
at Hickory sum and then went back to Legend Cars
in seven because sponsorship got kind of tight that year.

(09:12):
And that was kind of one of my other unique
ideas I had was we painted the Legend car white,
put it on an open trailer, and drove around town
and for a hundred bucks you could sign it to
become a sponsor. And I kid you not. We raised
fifteen thousand dollars that year doing it that way, oh wow.
And it led to other partners ended up doing more

(09:32):
and met a lot of people that way, and that
was a great year. We finished second in the National points.
That year, I won the Summer Shootout Championship. We won
like thirty two races that year, really solid season. Ran
pro again the next year, won the Summer Shootout title
for the second year in a row, and had a
lot of great success that year as well. So wanted
back to back out there at Charlotte and had a

(09:54):
lot of fun with that.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
So did you know from that moment on that you
wanted to be a NASCAR driver?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, at that point, like I was definitely like I'm
making this reality at the time, I'm seventeen. Two thousand
and eight was when I moved to North Carolina. There's
a family that let me move into their guest bedroom
mem Worsville. They were nice enough to open up their
house for me and moved up here. I guess I
was either sixteen or seventeen back then.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's brave.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, And then did that. So it was working in
the shop, you know, working on the cars, learning all
this stuff, and moved up here. And then the very
next year is when I went to college. Two thousand
and nine, I went to Belmont Abbey college here in Charlotte.
Didn't make it through all four years there. I have
the degree on the wall at the house and got
a business management degree. Okay, so I got that, But
that year was when I started racing dirt, and I
ran dirt for two years. I ran a dirt lay

(10:42):
model around the Carolina's. Looking back, I'm so thankful I
did it because I learned a lot. I think, looking back,
it definitely kind of maybe setting me back a couple
of years because back then it was you know, you
wouldn't go from legend cars to asphal lad model to
arc or that was the path, and here I am.
I kind of went dirt, which I felt like a
lateral move, but we thought at the time that was

(11:02):
that was the way to go. I had a lot
of fun. I raced a lot on the budget that
we had.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Bet I taught you like driving skills, being able to
drive on there. I bet that actually like really helped
your being an all rounded driver as well.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, it was. It was definitely a struggle the first
year because growing up racing asphalt and then you jump
in this delay model. It's like complete poor opposite of
anything you've ever done before. You know, I still it
ate me up the first time we went to the
track and raced because we had this beautiful car. I
put a white body on it, like it was so beautiful.
In the first race, like this guy goes out in

(11:38):
practice and stor slams me in practice and goes off.
I'm like, They're like, that's how we do it around here.
You know. It's track is leancaester Way in South Carolina,
and that was my orientation to duration that night. But
this is where the journey kind of gets interesting is
that was two thousand and nine, twenty ten, twenty eleven,

(11:59):
sold my dirt stuff, a lot of asphalt, Super Late Model,
We ran the Pro All Star Series, did cr did
all that stuff and had my actual hometown one of
my big sponsors back then in the city of Forest Akers.
They jumped on board. I sold them, went to town council,
pitched the city council and becoming a partner. They had
some advertising dollars and they put in the racing program
back then and did that deal with them, and that's

(12:20):
kind of where it took off. I had enough fun
to run about ten races a year. I ran ten
that first year. We had I think eight top fives,
had a lot of success in the late model that year,
and then ran late models again in twenty twelve. Won
three races that year up at Southern National. Had a
lot of success with that thing. And the following year,
twenty fourteen, I meet this guy here in Mooresville. My

(12:43):
age wants to start a race team. All right, I
got my late Model sitting here, but this is an
opportunity to go NASCAR racing. Back then, what was the
East Series? What's like what ARCA is now? And he's
got this big idea. We're going to go get a car,
We're gonna put everything together. We're and go run Richmond
is our first race. And so I've found the car,
found the motor, the team, set it all up. We
go run Richmond and wasn't the best race. We blew

(13:07):
a tire, got caught up in somebody else's wreck, and
tore the car up. But two weeks later I got
a call from NASCAR, Hey, the check bounced for the entry.
And then Goodyear calls me, hey the check bounce for
the tires, and the crew chiefs calling me, hey, I
haven't gotten paid yet, And so all this stuff starts avalanching,
and then this guy he starts getting some trouble with

(13:27):
his business and all this other stuff's going on, and
basically the world is collapsing around me at this point.
And I kind of took some time and I called
my dad. I'm like, hey, what do you think I
need to do in this situation? Never been here before?
And he's like, you know, what, if anything else, you
need to figure out to make it right. Like that's
what I'll leave you with. This is the advice he
efform He's figure out to make it right by everybody.

(13:49):
And so I kind of wrestled with what to do
in that situation there. And you know, just got my
college degree, I can sell everything and just go work
in the sport like and you know, I've got opportunities,
but at least one keep a good name, I think
at this point, So I put my Late Model up
for sale, put my motors up for sale, and sold
everything I had. I think back then, the late Model

(14:10):
and everything I had, I sold it off for about
fifty five or sixty thousand dollars. It was somewhere in there.
Because the debts were about forty forty forty five thousand
dollars to pay everybody off and make it right. And
remember selling the car, the guy came from Arizona to
buy it, loaded it up. I just get that point there.
I'm like, all right, this is It's been a great run.
I've had a lot of fun. I've been able to

(14:31):
chase after something I was passionate for, and this is
just kind of where it ends. But just got everybody paid.
NASCAR good year, all the people got everybody paid, and
I had a little bit of money in the bank.
So I'm like, all right, onto the next chapter life.
And that's where things started to get interesting, because this
was like the middle of the year twenty fourteen, and
I had that little bit of money in the bank
and it was getting down like two or three races

(14:51):
left in the year. I'm like, you know what, I'm
gonna go call some truck teams and I at least
want to say I made a NASCAR start before I'm done,
just so I can have that box check. And started
calling some teams around and I found one the fifty
truck back then, and they said, hey, if you can
cover the tire bill for the weekend and you don't
rink the truck, you can come race for us at Phoenix,

(15:12):
and went out there and did that deal, and I
think we ended up finishing twenty second or twenty third.
You know, it was a very tight operation and we
made the most of it and raced very clean. But
what's crazy is had I not everything that happened that way,
like you know, selling the late Models, selling us stuff,
like I would probably still be racing late Models, maybe

(15:32):
to this day because that opportunity would have never happened.
So that was like the greatest blessing in disguise because
I sold all the stuff, had the extra funding left aside,
and was able to go run that truck race at Phoenix.
And then that's when things started to snowball and the
team basic goes like, hey, our friend that owns this truck,
he needs a driver for Homestead if you can cover
the tire bill there. So I'm like, all right, let's
keep it going. So then I go run Homestead the

(15:54):
next week. And you know, so here in a matter
of two weeks, I run Phoenix, I run Homestead, finished
both races, I think homes So we were twenty seven,
twenty eighth, and I'm like, all right, we're we're off
and run. So then I spent all off season twenty
fourteen figuring out how to go truck race. And I
had all this stuff lined up for this team, and
like two weeks before dayton and everything kind of fell apart.

(16:14):
You know, I've been working all year, here's all this stuff.
And that's when Mike Carmon called me going the seventy
four car back then, and he said, hey, you know,
I've got this one truck sitting here. If you can
work on it, take a track, cover all expenses. I
will supply you with the truck and I'll help you
find motors to go race, but everything else is on you. Tires,
pit crew, travel, all this. And I still had my

(16:35):
old duley from the dirt race and I had my
forty foot trailer. And that's kind of when that journey
started there with Mike and we showed up at dayton
On and we missed the race at Daytona. We went
to Atlanta and finished eighteenth, and now we go to
Kansas and we finished sixteenth, and then everything just started
going from there. And long story short, twenty fifteen, we
ran the entire year that year on one truck, the

(16:56):
same truck all year it went from far I took it.
We finished. I think the best finished that year was
thirteenth at Michigan. We finished like sixteenth at Mossport with
the same truck. It ran talented good.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Like today, How did you know how to set it
up or what to do?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
It was uh kind of trial by error like at
that point the pressure was like there wasn't a lot
of expectations, so a lot of learning went into it
and met some people along the way, Like there were
guys for bigger teams that were like, hey, you know,
I'll help you if you can throw me some cash,
I'll come over at night and help you set it
up and do this and do that. And you know,
back then the truck Series used to have two one

(17:37):
hour practice sessions and all the teams would do like
when we ran with you at like Rockingham, and we
were able to do the mock qualifying run at the end,
Like back then, that was the norm and every truck race,
like every every big team would do a mock qualifying run,
and I would go up and down the garage area
and hustle tires like I would basically cut my practice
short twenty minutes just to get out of the truck

(17:58):
to make sure I could be waiting at those guys
stalls to buy their tires when they were done.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Because they'd only got one lap on online.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, one or two laps, And that was back then.
I would buy one set of stickers and then the
rest of the allotment was scuffed tires. And that's how
you raced that year. You know, I could knock out
my whole tire bill for less than three grand, and
just because I was buying the U stuff that those
guys were getting rid of. Like there was definitely an
industry within an industry from that standpoint. But you know,
that was kind of where it was like, all right,

(18:25):
this is I can do this. And I think that
year was kind of where I felt like I was
where I wanted to be and felt like I could
do it. We had some good runs, My confidence was up,
was learning the business side, was kind of running the
race team. You know, Mike was providing the truck and
all stuff, but I was able to learn how to
operate the business, what needed to be done every week,
how to deal with the people and do it. And

(18:46):
so it was kind of like a slow introduction to
the team operation. Side, and I didn't realize the time
how much I loved that part of it as much
as I did the actual driving interesting and so that
fast forward like Grand Trucks twenty six with another team,
and at the end of the year ideal I basically
got bought out by another driver for that ride. So
twenty seventeen I went back to Mike to drive the

(19:09):
same truck but a different number. So we went back
old school again twenty seventeen, and at the end of
twenty seventeen we had a lot of good runs a
year as well, same thing and did a lot with
a little just took the same truck and ran. I
didn't run oldor that year, but we took the same
truck again and ran everywhere. And at the end of
the year, I'm like, you know what, like three years
into this deal on trucks, I can do it. I

(19:31):
have a pretty good idea what it cost. And along
the way, in twenty sixteen, we were out racing in
Saint Louis and that was where I met John bamb
Rito cold called them while we were out there, I
basically try to ask for some help on buying two
sets of tires. They bought tires for May. We raced
that night back in twenty sixteen, finished ninth or tenth

(19:51):
at Saint Louis and started that relationship. And so then
at twenty seventeen I called John. I'm like, hey, you know,
I've got this dream and vision of starting my own team.
You know, can I count on you to help me?
You know, basically be a bigger partner this year, and
what's your commitment level? And he basically, hey, I'll help
buy your two first motors and you know, your first
two trucks. So there was another family at the time

(20:12):
that had helped me some. They bought another truck for me.
So basically it started year off. We had three trucks,
two motors, and a group of guys and we were
able to rent space out of another race team shop
up here in Statesville, and we were off and running
and first race is a new team. We went down
Daytona and finished ninth, so we were checking out of
top ten to start with, and wow, that journey just
kind of started drawing from there. So we ran the

(20:33):
team twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. Twenty nineteen was big. That
was the year I bought our first feather light or
first big trailer. I thought we had made it at
that point, and twenty twenty and twenty one I convinced
John like, hey, we need to look at Exfinity racing
like this is the next step, Like let's let's do this.
And we had this, I kid you not. I had

(20:54):
probably fifteen pages of Excel spreadsheets of budgets and I
had Plan A, Plan B, and I had all these
variations of what we are going to operate and the
budget cap and what everything was like it was all
worked out. And I had this plan and basically went
to John and I was like, Hey, if you will
owe me the money, here's how I'll do this. I'll
have this money coming in and I'll pay you back.

(21:14):
Like so we basically started out and we bought you know,
five cars, five motors, had really nice stuff, and we
go down to Daytona and this is still kind of
right in the middle of COVID some of it's slowly
starting to wind down, but finished second in the truck
race the night before. So we finished second in Daytona
two years in a row, like by that much. That

(21:37):
kind of sucks, I know, but was on cloud nine.
Either way, I'm going to do the racetrack on Saturday,
just finished second. We were like ninth in practice with
the Infinity car the day before, so super excited and
like we're getting ready to roll out to qualify and
it starts raining and we're a new team with no points.
And so back then during cod if you missed Daytona,

(22:01):
there was no qualifying for the first ten races, right,
and it kind of threw a wrench in our plans.
And I'm looking at John and he's like, so that
would you know? We just just gone out exactly. And
so we kept racing the truck that year and the
first race we're going to have to be able to
go back was Coda and it was Coda and Charlotte'll

(22:24):
bed two races back to back qualifying to try to
get enough points to get in the top forty en
points to be locked in for the next race. And
this is where the team that you know today kind
of started to evolve. It It moved from Jordan Anderson
Racing as a team for me to race and just
something much bigger than me. And that's when John became
a partner with the bomb Riata Auto Sports side. But

(22:47):
the first driver we put in. I'm like, I need
to get somebody in this car that can go run good,
put some points on the stage for us, and go
make this happen. So called Shane Martin from Chevrolet and
started brainstorming. I had Robbie Benton helped me at the time.
Back then who's over Rick? Whres now? And we're like,
let's get Tyler Reddick. He just won Dick Twinity Series
not too far long ago. He knows the RCR cars.

(23:08):
He was actually driving at RCR at the time in
the Cup Series. So he put him in the car
at Coda and we go and finish eighth, and I'm like, wow,
is it gonna be like this every week? Like this is?
This is pretty nice? And then we go to Charlotte
and we finished fourth the very next wi wow, we
have these great results, but we're still six points out
of top forty. So we're still outside looking in. And

(23:29):
this is when things get really fun. Is there was
a journalist that texted me on the way home from Charlotte.
He goes, hey, check out the rule book on the
eligibility on who will be locked into the race. I said,
what do you mean? Said, well, all the past winners
from this year are guaranteed in no matter what they're driving.
So I started doing some digging and the only one
that would fit what we were doing was Josh Berry.

(23:51):
He was driving part time for Junior that year. He
had won Martinsville and so basically called him. I was like, hey,
you got any interest in doing this? He said yeah,
So we basically put him in the car at mid
Ohio even though we were forty first at points, he
locked the car in the race. He goes up there
and finishes eighth at mid Ohio. So wow, amazing start,

(24:12):
first three races, three top tens in a row, and
now we're fortieth in points. And then we raced the
rest of that year and we had Austin Dillon, Ty Dillan,
Sage carem cas Garala I ran. I got to finish
fifth to Talladaya that year, like had a lot of
different drivers, different runs. And then that was kind of
where it started to evolve a little bit into more

(24:32):
of a legitimate team and growing and doing things. And
we ran well enough that year to where attracted Mayat
Snyder and tax Layer to come run for us in
twenty two. We ran the year with Maya. We finished
second at Portland, won our first stage, almost won the
race that day, and then the following year we grew
to two cars. Parker Redslot came in with Fumpkaway, Jeb
Burton came in, and Parker was kind of an unknown

(24:53):
back then. He had run some Marcus stuff, he had
made a few Infinity starts and he came in that
year and then did really well. Jeb was kind of
and rebuilding year because the team was that before had
a lot of struggles that year. So both guys came in,
they ran with us twenty three, twenty four. You know,
both had a lot of success. Jeb got our first
one for US at Talladega. Parker got our first two
poles for US last year, and that led us to

(25:15):
this year, you know, growing to where we've run the
third car a lot more with you and myself and
Austin Green, and you know, we've got Blaine Perkins come in,
had a lot of success and Jeb almost won TWADEA
for US again this year. So I, you know, I
think that's what it was. It took it took a
little while to share the story there, but I think
if I could have looked back on this journey, couldn't
have predicted, couldn't have ridden it the way things have

(25:37):
played out. I just feel so very fortunate that in
the moment, a lot of the things that I went
to felt like why am I doing this? Why? You know?
And the thing that I always think back to was
when I missed that race at Daytona back in twenty fifteen.
That was like the pinnacle of race car driver was
getting to go to Daytona like that, was looking around
the stands like, Wow, I'm here, I'm on the stage,

(25:58):
and to miss the race was blow And I remember
back then Mike Mitler's team was right beside us the
sixty three truck and Carl Edwards had come by to
see those guys, and I kind of talked to Carl
a little bit. Back then he knew the store and
he came with that put his arm around me. He's like, hey,
don't get so caught up in the destination that you
don't appreciate the journey you're on. And that stuck with
me through that whole process from twenty fifteen to where

(26:20):
we are today about embracing the journey that you know,
so many people I've met and passes of crossed have
come from something bad happening or what the world would
say is bad, has opened up a door and opened
up many doors that I would have never ever had
the opportunity to go through. So you know, it's it's
kind of the combination of a never give up mentality

(26:41):
of you know, I'm going to do this and you know,
yeah it has it changed along the way one hundred percent.
But being a little bit stubborn, a little bit you know,
a faith mixed in there has has allowed this scene
to continue to go. And it's just like not going
to give up like this just failure is not option.
We're going to keep pushing, keep pushing. And been very
fortunate to be surrounded a lot of good people, a
lot of good mentors, people that have offered a lot

(27:03):
of good advice and help along the way. And yeah,
definitely when I say it takes a village, like this
isn't something that I've done by myself, Like it's a
lot of people that have helped this journey, from family
to friends and people along the way and other teams
that have helped out and sold you know, meet cars
and parts and pieces and stuff like that. So definitely
is you know, I think back when I was a kid,
all these people like, oh, you'll never never make in

(27:25):
the sport without the big check book or the millions
of dollars, and you know, well, here we are today,
and I definitely didn't start with that. So it's definitely
been fun to watch the journey evolve and hopefully, I
know my story is a lot like yours and the
path of not coming from a racing family or having
a family had the funding to write the checks and
you know, again getting into our sport is so unique
in that there's not one path. But if anything, hopefully,

(27:48):
whether it's a kid that's out racing at Hickory or
racing a dirt track, like, if you do want to
make it to this level, enough time and enough of
you know, persistence, like it, you can you can make it.
It's it's a grind, but the opportunity is there and
it's been a fun ridd and the story is definitely
still getting written every week. But you know, just thankful
to have been a part of this from where it

(28:09):
started to or it is today.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, I think it's interesting to me that a lot
of these things happened because something fell apart. So for example,
this year for me came together because of two things.
Didn't get a ride at Indy like we were planning on,
and also then had Phoenix happen and had to scramble,
which is why I ended up with you. So it's
like sometimes when you think that things are falling apart,

(28:32):
they're actually falling together.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
We're going to take a quick break, but we will
be right back. Welcome back to Throttle Therapy.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
The other thing that struck me about your team is
the people. You have the most fantastic team, like the people,
and I know that everybody is very solect to about
who they use and everything else, but you, you know
as well as I do. You walk around the paddock
and every team has a different like feel and fit,
and your team is comprised of the most awesome people

(29:12):
and I love every single one of them. And there's
no bullshit or politics, and everybody's like pulling in the
right direction. I don't know whether it's just that I
don't see that, but it's it was very refreshing and
very awesome, and it's like such a great environment for
me to be in. And I was talking about driving
for MSR and why we had success with them, and

(29:32):
you and I haven't had successes yet. I feel like
we've been super unlucky, getting taken out of literally every
race that we've been in. But I've learned so much
and I've enjoyed it, and I feel like it was
successful for me even though the results weren't there. That
makes sense, And so that leads me to my next question,
which is, well, two things. It's like twofold. Do you

(29:54):
enjoy the leading and the leadership and the team part
of things and like making it into this like week
in week out competitive team that you know is climbing
the grid and is well respected and everybody wants to
work for and all the things, Like is that now
enough about the racing? Does the fact that you've got
a baby on the way take away from what you're

(30:16):
doing in racing? Do you have aspirations to be this
big Cup team? Like? How did things change from you
wanting to be a race cut driver to like how
does all that fit? Now?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's It's a question I asked myself. And sometimes I
have to take time to walk out in the shop
at night, like when everybody's gone and look around and
be like, all right, become a blessings, like it's even
on that I built this and on the worst days,
like look at what we have going on right now,
Like there are days in the sport where it's like
you get and I'm sure you've been there, like you
get knocked down, you're like out and you're like what

(30:47):
in the world are we going to do next? Like
how I'm going to pull out of this hole here?
And that's where sometimes you just have to like take
just take a break, like look around and be like
all right, it's not in the world. Tomorrow is a
new day. It's a fresh start, like no matter how
bad things all get, like if I can wake up
my feet at the ground, like have another opportunity. And
that's kind of been the mentality this thing, and the
desire to still races is definitely still there, you know,

(31:09):
it's definitely take it. It's taking a little bit of
a back seat, Like that's when you climb in that
race car like I have I'm like the true definition
of like ADHD, Like you know, there's ae hundred things
on my mind going on at once, and for whatever reason,
when you get in a race car, like it just
all goes away, like it just kind of clears your
head and you just go out there and you're just
your tongue's hanging out and you got you it all
and it's just it's just a feeling them like any other.

(31:30):
But I think what I've looked at now is like
you have to look at the opportunity, where is what's
the best opportunity to make the biggest impact. And I
think for me, when I look at it, you know,
when it started, it was you know, Jordan the race
car driver, like this is what I want to do,
This is what I enjoyed doing, This is where my
passion is. And it was a very i want to
say selfish mentality, but that's as a race car driver.

(31:52):
You kind of have to be a little selfish in
your career path because you are a brand, you're creating,
and you have to figure out what's best for you.
And now it's like it's flip to where it's like
what's best for us, what's best for the team? You know,
and with us here, you know, we're up to thirty
two people, Like when you count the thirty two people
that are full time, and that's how you've accounting the
pit crew and the spotters. I mean it's up to

(32:13):
sixty people on a full weekend that are that are
a part of this. When you think about those people
and then you think about wives or husbands and the
additional you start thinking about the you know, one hundred
plus people, and it's it's like, it's a cool feeling
to say, hey, you know, these people are part of
this journey. They're helping make this happen, and it's definitely

(32:35):
bigger than me at this point. And I think that
there's a lot of fulfillment in seeing people come in that,
you know, we want our first race at Talladega. I
think probably three quarters of team that was their first
win too, because they had either been on smaller teams
or were near to the sport. And it's like, man,
this is a this is a great feeling to do
this and to check this box. And so I think
as this thing has grown and going on and the

(32:56):
competitive nature that I have, there's as much fulfilled out
of seeing the team succeed and then giving people the
tools and resources to see them succeed in positions as
there was, you know, for me to go out and
run well on the race cars. So it's definitely evolved
a little bit over time, but you know, as that fulfillment,
fulfillment comes, it's just so cool to give people the

(33:17):
tools and resources. That's what I tell people. You know,
if you need something, let me know. I'm all for that.
And that has definitely created a bit of a culture
here to where you know, we have people that want
to be here, that want to be a part of this,
that are pushing to get better. And you know, with
with me on the team side, the competition is important.
The optics of a team, you know, the way the
haulers and pit boxes are wrapped, the way the cars

(33:38):
look like, that's that's important. Presentation is super it definitely is.
And then you've got guys that when you have the
nice stuff, they take pride in it. And then that
kind of flows out from from everything else in the organization.
So you know, here and you say that that that
means a lot because I feel like we try to
build a culture of people that want to be here.
Like I went through a season in twenty sixteen driving

(33:59):
for a team that was just like I was getting
your race every week, but I was miserable because I
was around people but didn't want to be there. Like
in there, the guys were just collecting check like, yeah,
the one crew chief was like trying to put a
different driver in there because he thought one thing. Like
so I went through a whole year of that. I'm like,
you know, if I'm ever in a position to make
sure this stuff hasn't happened, like I was about ready

(34:19):
to get out of racing at that point, Like I
think I would go get a job at a bank
before I do this every single day, And so I think,
you know, once you go through that, you're like, all right,
there are red flags and signs of one things and
people that come in, like you just got to have
people that aren't a cancer to the team, like they
are there those people unfortunately, and sometimes you got it.
It's like a race car you got we were just
told about this morning. You got to make an air

(34:40):
pressure adjustment or a ledge adjustment and move people around
and do the right thing for the team. And it's
a learning process, Like it's the toughest thing I've ever done,
by far to figure out to put a team together.
But when you see it all click at the racetrack
and everybody pulls in the same direction, like we work
very hard on making sure that it's not the twenty seven,
the thirty one to thirty two that it's our team
together that you might see going through tech. If the

(35:02):
twenty seven passes first, they're going to hang around and
make sure the other two are good. And same thing
in the shop, like I've got one guy he puts
the gear in all three of the cars, and then
one guy's on the plate making sure final scale is right.
So it's like when we kind of mix and measured
that way. It's not you versus me in the shop,
it's us versus the other guys at the racetrack that
were up again. So it's really worked out well for us.

(35:23):
And Shane Whitbeck, our competition director, has done a phenomenal job.
I mean he's other one of those guys. I met Shane.
I bought some cars from back Keslawski team back in
twenty eighteen. We started this deal and Shane was still
working there, and I remember it was like the second
race year we went to Atlanta. I was at the
lunch like we were bad, like not handling good. He
texts me, He's like, hey, want you to come by
Wednesday before Vegas. I'll be down here. I'll help you

(35:44):
pull down the truck at night and help set it
up for you. Yeah, we did that, and we went
to Vegas and qualified like thirteenth. We ran top twenty
all day and he helped us the rest of the year.
And so that's how I kind of got to know Shane.
But we've got a lot of smart guys here that
you know, have really done a good job of making
the thing better.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Is it harder the bigger you get. Is it harder
to keep the or the team together?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
It is? And I think the biggest thing is trying
not to micromanage, because as a.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
I will say that the teams that have been the
best in my twenty years right in racing, the best
one was MSR Michael Shank micromanaged the shit out of
everything he did. And I think that that kind of
level of buy in an investment, and like I don't know,

(36:37):
passion for it translates into into results and everybody else
being that invested too. So while it's hard not to
for you, I think it's also a sign of somebody
who really wants success. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
No, it's definitely care about it, I would say, And
I think that's why it's It's funny like you're you're
more likely to see her in the shop. Like Mondays,
we have our team meeting at seven, and you know,
I like to get early and be a part of that.
That's kind of kicks the week off right. But usually
the way my schedule for the rest of week goes,
I'll be here till nine and ten o'clock on Monday,
and then I'll roll in probably nine nine thirty the

(37:10):
next day and then work until nine or ten o'clock
at night, because usually our guys are done by four,
four or five o'clock, and then I've got four or
five hours here at the shop to just I just
go through and look at the cars and look at
parts and pieces and look over the stuff, and it
just kind of lets me keep what I feel like
is a good pulse on the team and way stuff is.
And it definitely does get crazy. I mean during the

(37:30):
day from seven to four, you get pulled in a
hundred different directions from phone calls, sponsor meetings, you know,
driver debriefs, going over setups, paint schemes, and that it's
like five o'clock things kind of like get quiet, and
then you get a chance to go to the shop
and look at everything, and that's when I that's almost
my favorite time of the day is to kind of
that's when you get to get back into it. How

(37:52):
do you think your wife feel about that though? Like
when do you see each Heather, it's definitely now you
asked about the baby, like you learn to kind of
like during the week, our time is almost like in
the morning now to where it's like I made stay
at the house an extra hour or two and it's
like our morning time together and then I just plan
on working late. So definitely know it's gonna have to
probably evolve here come they're saying October first is the

(38:15):
due date. So I got a little boy on the way,
so pretty pretty excited. Everything's been good so far and
she's been a trooper. But again that for me, I'm
very fortunate that she comes from a racing family, like
you know her her dad was in racing for so
many years. They joke about it, but I think the
day Kendo was born, they were racing in Richmond. Her

(38:36):
dad was kre chief and for Earnhardt that year and
like he was up there for practice, flew to the hospital,
saw her born, made sure she had five you know,
five fingers on each hand. The toes were there, and
then he flew right back to the racetrack. So how
did you meet her? We met at a place called
Sayeed's here in town, and it's a karaoke bar behind

(38:59):
a gap station. Can you think after midnight I might've
seen it definitely get gets a little bit better. So
I haven't been there in a while. After I met her,
the need to go there anymore was not needed anymore.
But every now, every now and then, I'm probably if
you had to pick who's going to sing, I would

(39:21):
go for like a little bit of outcasts, some forty one,
or maybe a little George Straight if it's good enough
later in the night. I'm a very broad variety. Her
is like Dixie Chicks or the Chicks. She's going to
go right to them. That's that's her go to. But
that was even crazy in itself, Like this is how
small the racing world is up here is that her
brother and I raced Ben. There's a picture somewhere of

(39:42):
her brother and I on the podium running ban lero's
against each other back in two thousand and two, and
so like we all grew up around each other and
just kind of it's just so funny how small the
world is up here. But having you know, a partner
that you know understands the sacrifice and the time is
has been big because there's nights where you know, like, hey,
I got work, like I gotta do this, and she

(40:04):
understands the opportunity here in the dream and you know,
and also with her, she's a therapist, a counselor, so
she understands that's kind of helped navigate through that stuff.
But she also works for herself, so her schedule sometimes is,
you know, she may go in at nine in the
morning and work till eight a nine o'clock at night
as well as she's trying to go her clientele base.
It's slowed down a little bit with a baby now,
but you know, we're both kind of wired that way,

(40:26):
and you know, when we are together, we make the
most of our time. And that's why usually a few
weeks after Phoenix at the end of the year, we
disappear for like a week and a half and just
take that time to make sure we're together and get
caught back up. You need it, yeah, keeps her saying.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
That, exactly, I need a VAKA now. It's just rain
the whole time.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
We're going to take a quick break, but we will
be right back. Welcome back to throttle therapy.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
So what's next for Jordan and Jordan Anderson racing if
they are one and the same or do you see
more racing in your future? Do you have any desire
to go Cup racing? Do you want to go into
Formula One? Like what if you had to pick your
ideal next five to ten years, what would that look like?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, it's and the sport is in a very weird
place right now because the deal with the charters has
definitely changed the way that the Cup Series garage is
made up. The barrier to entry is very real, like
it it's very steep. I mean it's almost done. Like
what's happened on the F one grid when you look

(41:42):
at you know, Chevrolet wanted to go in there this
year and it was basically locked out because of how
it was all out. You probably could explain it better
than me, but basically that was locked out. They couldn't go.
And that's what the charters have done. It used to
be you know when I was growing up, and even
how Exfinity is now. You know, if you're fast enough
and you can bring a good enough product and you
can connect the dots, you can go race and yeah,

(42:03):
you can go do that at the cup level, but
it costs so much in the way the purse structure
is made up that you're just at a huge disadvantage
right from the start. So definitely curious to see what
that looks like. That's one thing that having a partner
on the team has taught me a lot, because the
racer and me sometimes makes financial decisions that maybe aren't
the best because I am very competitive and I want

(42:24):
to go buy this and go do this, do this,
But if I did that long enough, the money would
all be gone. So it's good to have a partner
like John that's very physically grounded. You know. It's good
to have that because like, I'll have a bad day
here and I'll call John and he's got probably twelve
hundred employees across all his auto groups and his businesses,
and he'll tell me he's like, yeah, you know, I

(42:44):
got sued six times last week. I had you know,
the unions coming after me. I had thirty four people
leave to go to another dealership. Like, so I'm like, oh,
I'm not having that bad of a week. It puts
things in perspective. But he's been a great mentor on
the business side because he's definitely forced me to look
at how we operate and almost operate in a moneyball
kind of way to where we know we have this

(43:06):
budget and how can we accomplish the best possible product
with what we have, but also reinvesting back to make
sure that the team is stable and we can be
here for the next twenty thirty years, you know, not
being a flash in the pan. Like the fact that
the building that we're in, we own this building. We
just bought another building next door to expand our fab side.
You know, we we've you know, invested back in haulers

(43:28):
and people and you know, being able to have competitive
pay and benefits for our people that work here, and
you know, just all the different parts and pieces to
make sure that we have a solid foundation. But you know,
I think for us, we want to get to where
I want to be a little bit more competitive on
the infinity side. I feel like there's some races where
we can load and have really good speed, and there's
some races like this weekend we're I kind of look

(43:49):
in the mirror, man what the heck like what you
just have those weekends sometimes and it's like continuing to
you know, add more tools to our toolbox. We always
talk about adding depth, people and our understanding exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Like one of the big things was last year we
started hanging our downforce and short track bodies in house,
and you know, with the new building, wanting to be
able to do more of that stuff and have more
help from Chevrolet. So you know, I think I see,
hopefully the next i'd say two or three years, continue
to slow the fire footing here in the Infinity Series

(44:23):
and at the same time have an eye on Cup.
You know, whether that means, hey, let's get a car,
let's let's build a car, and maybe we run five
races or ten races and start to understand that side
of the garage and how those cars are built, and
just slowly understand that without having to buy a charter.
And you know, if a charter does become available, you know,
that's that's certainly something that John and I have talked
about of how that can be done and how it

(44:45):
makes sense. You know, John and I have had conversations
and if it makes fiscal sense to do it and
buy one then you know, I think he's he's committed
to one day do that.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
When that does happen, much money then, like somebody was
telling me it was seventy five mil something estimated at.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
The Yeah, and for something that's not you know, there's
obviously all the stuff going on right now, but you're
buying someone that's not pernent. It's on a seven year
you know. However, that deal is structured, so you know,
right now we're kind of in like the wait and
see phase of let's keep slidifying our deal here and
just see how some of that stuff starts to shake out.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
How many years are we into the seven year cycle?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I think this is. They just signed it, so it's
like the first year of it.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Oh, is it okay? So like you could have to
write that seventy five mil off over the next six
years or something if that was okay. Who knows what's
going to happen though, because I'm sure you know how
most things in the media get a little bit twisted
and lost in translation. Well, I'm sure it's the same
thing with everything that we're reading, with all the different
charters stuff going on, Like we have no real idea

(45:47):
what's going on because we're not on the inside. And
come December. So I said this to somebody the other day.
I'm like, come December, though, we'll know and we'll know
what NASCAR are going to do with those charters, and
we know what the teams are going to do and
blah bla blah blah. And they were like, no, we won't.
That's gonna then get appeal. Then that's gonna then run
into next year and that's gonna this is gonna happen.
And so I was like the closure that I wanted

(46:07):
because obviously I want to go racing and I want
I want to be a childhood driver, and I want
all the things. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen, but.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
There's a lot there's a lot of parts, some pieces
that are still still move many. I feel like that's
always been. You've got to have a mix of living
in a space where you're proactive but also reactive to
the series and planning and timing and looking at all
those different things and you know, just trying to make
the sense. And that's what's crazy is at the club

(46:37):
book Cup level, you look at all the different venture
capitalist companies and different investors that have come in that
you know, it's definitely going away from a typical team owner.
It's just one guy by himself owning the whole team.
I mean, you know, having John as a partner of him,
and I've talked about like, hey, if a third partner
ever comes along and you know, we do a rebrand
or what does that look like? And you know, so
we've we've considered all those things. And you know, he

(46:58):
asked me the five and ten year planet. I think
the biggest thing is continuing to build, you know, us
as a race team. We want to have a mix
of you know, we are a race team first and foremost,
but solidifying the culture of people that work here and
the marketing arm of the team of you know, having
partners that were able to check boxes for their goals
and you know, even on the driver's side, like you

(47:19):
and I have talked about this a little bit. Is
you know, that's one thing that I have truly enjoyed
is you know, when when Parker came in, when Maya
came in, you know, helping Jeb get back on his
feed and then working with you know you this year
and working with Blaine and you know, I won't say.
I think helping drivers has been something that has kind
of turned into another part that I'm passionate part on

(47:39):
this side as well, because I've I've raced and I
haven't you know, I hadn't run Cup before, but I've run,
you know, one hundred plus truck races, and however many
of these and been around the sport for so long,
and it's like all right, from the mental side to
the business side, to all of the things, and helping
try to get a driver the most out of what
he can do with the racetrack and with working with
Jeb and Blaine this year year. And then you know,

(48:00):
seeing you, I know when we first went to Rocky Ham,
you kind of you're drinking from a fire hose, you know,
but watching you know, Catherine at Rockingham versus watching you,
like at Indye, Like it's almost like a different person
on the race car, you know, watching your confidence when
you get in and like, you know, the ins and
outs and hopefully the people that we put around you,
like with Bruce on the radio and Trey spot for you,

(48:21):
like hopefully you know, the success you've had on Sunday
the Saturdays have helped you, you know, you showed up
Sunday and you've been there, done that, like I'm ready,
you know. So it's it's been cool to watch that
development and and you know that's that's the whole other
part of so hopefully continuing to help on that path
and that side of things, and that's definitely cool to watch.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Well. I hope that I get to strive you for
many ye is to come.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
We got with Old and Gray and we can put
it off a good run.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I know, we really do. But I will not take
up any more of your time.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Jordan.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
It was a pleasure. Thank you so much for telling
us your story, and I'm sure that the listeners who
are more on the indie color Sportscar Science are fascinated
by hearing it on the Sportscuss side. One last question
before I let you go. Did you ever have any
desire to go IndyCar racing or Open war racing or

(49:11):
was it always Nascar?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I did. That's a great, great question. I think any
driver always wants to run different things, and I've never
had a shot or never had a shot to go
run any kind of sports car, but I've always wanted
to because back in and that's a I just completely
left out. A year was in between the late Model
and cannon stuff. I went and bought a thunder roaster
which had it was built by the Legend Car people,

(49:36):
but it looked like an old the old like nineteen
forties roaster IndyCar. So it was like a single seater
sat in the middle and it had a Legend Car
motor in it. But we would run it with like
SCCA and NASA and back then there's like twenty twenty
five of the Matt Chopin race. So we would go
to like VR we're Atlanta. We'd run the Roble Sea
bring Kershaw.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Kursher, you raced it Kursha.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
We did full throttle through the kink on the backside.
So it was a lot of fun doing and I
fell in love with road racing that year and I'm
like this is you know, the heck with the NASCAR
stuff like this is like I learned about incident reports
and no contact. I earned the first race of Cursal.
I bumped into a guy and it was another I
think it was a BMW or something. The guy came over,
He's like, you didn't go fu a inciant report. I'm like,

(50:19):
what are you talking about it. He's like, well, this
is you know, you have to do these things here,
and so I got in trouble with that and I
was that was like my my introduction to it. But yeah,
I thought about it. I'm like, you know, what the
heck with this? I think you look at sportscar racing
and later that year was when the truck opportunity happened.
But mad respect for all kinds and forms of racing.
I mean, it's it's uh And I think again you

(50:41):
asked that question about driving. I think before the goal
was always like, you know, I want to do full
series here, a full season here, And now it's like
I want to race, but I'm open to want to
try to do different things like going and running the truck.
The other week at Indian I was like, I just
missed doing it and it was fun to go do it.
I you know, it was a good lot to rust off.
I hadn't driven on a non sen super speedway in
like three years. But so what you're.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Saying is you me, Blaine and Jabs, so go do
Daytona twenty four next.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, I like that. That's definitely my bucket list. Twenty
four hours one day to at least everyone did it.
I think between what our team was doing and then
I know what you're doing in the sport. You definitely
you're writing a lot of new chapters in the journey
you're on. It's been cool to from a step back,
but also working alongside you. It's been cool to see
what you've done this year and the I think the
progress for the sport as a whole, but obviously some

(51:29):
of the berriers that you've broken down and what you're
doing right now has been cool to watch. And I
think the respect I have for you outside looking in
the lungside working with you, like when you went and
qualified at Charlotte, like the amount of That's what people
don't realize is the stress that drivers carry. They can
never show you're like a duck on water or you
were so calm and collected, but underwater you're like kicking
like crazy. Like the fact you had to qualify in

(51:52):
you had everybody from else there that weekend, the huge
display set up, and like you had to qualify that
thing in the show, like it had no points. You
had to go do it and you did it. And
it's like, I don't think people realize the amount of
mental toughness that that takes to do and to like
process through. But you know, it's just cool to watch that.
So I think that you got a lot of good
stories and good chapters left to right, and hopefully our

(52:13):
team does as well, and hopefully they keep intertwining and
we can do a lot of cool things together.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I hope for the same well. Jordan, thank you so
much for joining us on Throttle Therapy and I will
see you at the weekend.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Sounds good. Thank you, thanks for.

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