Logan Paulsen and JAG Jason evaluate the 2025 NFL Draft running back class. They discuss how deep with talent this class has. They debate (and even change minds) over several prospects as they discuss two big possible sleepers(?) in DJ Giddens and Cam Skattebo. Then, they talk about how close Ashton Jeanty and Omarion Hampton are in their scouting reports (and it's closer than the national media may suggest). Finally, they talk about draft philosophy with selecting running backs and how the pendulum may have sung too far one way - don't be surprised on Draft Night if several of these RBs going in the first round...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we've
got the top ten running backs. Well it's more like
twelve thirteen, fourteen, because this running back class is super deep.
We talk who's got the juice that speed those forties,
those explosive runs, and who's got the power to run
you over and who's got both? And we've got Omar
and Hampton and Ash and gent Who's the real number one?
Is it closer than people think? It all starts right now.
(00:26):
Welcome in the Ticke of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan
Paulson here with just the guy, Jason and Jason. It's
so fun to be back in the seat talking more prospects. Man,
how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm doing great, especially because it's running back and running
back like wide receiver like quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
They're just fun to watch, right.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
These are the these are the guys that have the
crazy juke moves. They're bigger and runs. They're big and
run super fast. Some of them are smaller and can
run people over. It's just you get the contrasts and
body types with what you expect and what they can
and can't do.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And it's a deep class.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I think it is a deep class. It was. It
was interesting though, like this is something I didn't talk
to you about, but like it's so it's always a
good reminder this class is deep and there will be
starters in this class, a lot of starters and guys
like rotational guys for sure, But I'm always reminded like
they are Like running back, college running back is so
different than NFL running back right now, so tell me
about it. Yeah, So I think one of the things
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is there's only a couple of running backs that run
in like pro style systems. It's all these kind of
gun runs, like where there's a lot of space, light boxes.
You got to make one guy miss, there's a ton
of space. Because one of the things I've I evaluate
in my process is like how well the running back
does with like a bad look or a muddy look
at the line of scrimmage, Like can you be creative
(01:40):
and find those tight creases those tight gaps. And there's
a couple guys on here that I downgraded actually because
I felt like they couldn't do that. But it's just
so hard to find clips of the mexicanting that at
a high level, you know, And so I think that's
something that's so different. So you're like, it feels like,
you know, when you watch defensive end, when you watch
an offensive linemen, when you watch receivers, you see transferable
stuff like all the time. And with running backs. Yeah,
(02:01):
it's great when you see someone hit a home run
and it's mag exposive run, and obviously that's transferable because
they're fast or explosive whatever it is. But it's the
it's the nuance of the position, like the thing that
separates b John Robinson from just another guy, or the
thing that separates Derrick Henry from just another position. And
why you know why Derek Henry is a good example
actually why Derek Henry struggled early in his career because
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he had he had a hard time maximizing bad looks.
And that's something that I think really takes a good
running back and makes them great. And so I like
to see an element of that when watching film. M'ch
just hard to find because all these spread looks, all
these light boxes, they don't get them as much.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, absolutely, I actually want to dive into some terms
because you threw a couple of them in there. But yeah,
when evaluating a running back, one of the other things
that I would say that like is hard to do
because if you go look at a highlight tape where
you just watch running plays, like a cutup of running plays,
you're not really going to see how they do with
in past block, which is really important past shanda, Right,
(03:01):
So one of the things I would suggest if somebody
is watching this is go on YouTube and finally cut
up of all the passing plays from a game of
theirs and see what they do, like are they getting
physical or not? So like, those are the type of things,
like you said, being in muddy situations, what do you do?
And are you going to be in past protection because
(03:21):
in the NFL, you're not going to be a starting
running back, certainly not a three down back if you're
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And it's funny because a lot of these guys project
to that third that third down back type role. But
then again, like you, then you watch them pastor and
you're like, oh, this isn't exactly what I was hoping
for here. You're like, you know, they're they're shifty, they're small,
they're athletic, or even some of the bigger guys, right
who can catch the football out of the backfield. We'll
talk about some of them in a minute, but like
they need to be able to do like the most
important part of being a third down back, which is
(03:49):
pass protect and I think that sometimes it doesn't always
show up on film, and I got to remind myself
to every year we watch this, I'm very very rarely
and I'm like, oh, this guy's are really a pass
protector because it's again in they're trying to get guys
out routes or you're not.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Asking him to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's much, yeah, for sure. And I mean what de
Q has said, uh he said it before here. If
you're going to be a running back on this team
for the Commanders, you're gonna you're gonna get in it.
You're gonna mix it up with pass blocking. And that's
one of the reasons that they brought in Austin Eckler
because that's what he It's one of the things he
loves to do. He will get in there and scrap
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and I wanted to bring that attitude and that energy
into that running back room. So coaches look for that.
It's not just EQ and the Commanders, I think almost
all coaches look for that. You got to be an
extra special player to not bring that to a team
and see any time on the field. But I want
to ask you real quickly about some terms. We do
this every time of things that you're going to say. Here,
(04:44):
you already said muddy. So a muddy run. What's the
money run?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, somebody run. It's like, you know, you're running inside zone.
There's not a lot of movement, there's maybe a free
runner in the hole, Like, can you get back to
the line of scrimmage? Can you make this? Like? Can
you keep us on schedule? And there's guy in this
class who, like I didn't, I don't really like love
him as a prospect for a myriad of reasons. But
he does that better than anybody I've seen the last
(05:08):
couple of years. And that's why he's high on the list,
you know what I mean, Because your ability to keep
the offense on schedule. Hey, we didn't block the middle
linebacker on this run through. But you make a miss,
you break a tack, you fall forward, you find like
this tight crease, you're able to cram it in there,
and a run that should have been tackled for a
loss of one is now a gain of three. And
if you can do that matter, and if you look
(05:29):
at like some of the stuff that happens around the
NFL when you say, like, what makes this back special
is their ability to keep you on schedule offensively, because
I don't want to be in second and ten as
an offensive coordinator if I call a first down run.
So getting a back that again can elevate your offensive
line and put you in the best position to be successful. Like,
to me, that's that is I don't want to say
the most important thing, but it's definitely like one A,
(05:52):
one B with some other traits that I look for
in running backs.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
All Right, how do you determine the vision of a
running back when evaluating.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, so I think the thing is like probably because
like we did so much stuff here with outside zone,
gap team stuff with a myriad of teams that I
that I played with, Right, is you kind of get
a feel for where the ball should go, and then
you've watched enough football to know that like if this happens,
then this should happen, and if that happens, then this
happens like ABC and then D option right, And so
(06:20):
sometimes when you're watching a back run, like you can
kind of feel the way the run is progressing, and
they call it riding the wave right, So like first
gaps closed, I got to bounce it back when more,
second gas closed, got to bounce back when more, Oh
this gaps open, put my foot in the ground and
hit it hard, get downhill and drive and attack that
line of scrimmage. And so that's kind of what I'm
(06:42):
looking at. And when I see a back kind of
run to darkness, like running to the back of the
offensive line and I try to plow forward for four
I'm like, you didn't read it out, your vision wasn't.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Or miss the whole, or it closes too quickly because
it weren't decisive enough.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah. I think that's a great way to put it.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Up, because sometimes you get running backs that when they're
working on their vision, it is like, like you said,
like following a wave, okay, this is closed as close
all right, foot in the ground off.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But then there's also times where they're too patient.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
They're like, oh this is and by the time they
that like, oh should I go, it's closed.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So it's hitting it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's being patient, but also knowing as soon as that opens,
you got to make a decision and go right.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think that's exactly right. And there's a couple of
guys that do that really really well in this class.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And the last one I want to talk to you
about is contact balance because I felt like a lot
of guys in this class have good contact balance, so
we're gonna mention it a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, contact balance, I think is another one of those traits.
It's like sneaky underrated for a back because even as oh,
can you make a guy miss, can you hit an
explosive run, but contact balance is equally as important. There's
a guy number nine on my list actually who I
remember watching a game he had against Virginia and he
just had terrible contact balance and like an arm tackle,
(07:55):
you know, a defensive tackle be falling off, get an
arm on him and he'd fall down. You're like, man,
that's a fifteen yard run if you can get out
of that arm tackle. And so the ability to like
keep your balance, survive contact, stay on your feet is
to me one of I don't again. Like we talked
about muddy runs and they go. They work so well together.
Muddy runs and contact balance are so closely tied. And honestly,
(08:17):
muddy runs they have contact balance. It's got vision in there, right.
All those things factor in, but it's a big part,
especially for a bigger back. You better have good contact balance.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, and a lot of the times, like running backs
very rarely don't get touched, like Saquon was like a
freak this year because of that offensive line he had.
He like led the league in most yardage before contact,
which is insane that you have that end his athletic ability, right,
So when that's one of the reasons he had such
an amazing year. But most of the time, you're gonna
(08:51):
not make someone juke out of their shoes where a
defender is going to fall down on that put some
sort of hand or something on you, so they're gonna
hit you in some way or another.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's just can you knit.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Negate that contact to be hard enough to knock you
over and it's like I can absorb a little bit
of that, like take that and keep moving, right, That's
what you're looking.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
For one hundred percent. So I think those are actually
some really good terms that you picked out there to
kind of review because if you have these things, if
you have contact, contact balance, open field creation, good vision,
and you can survive money runs like you're good, you're
good back.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, And we have a lot of good ones. So
let's start at number ten for you. It is out
of UCF Central Florida.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, RJ. Harvey. So he was a guy at the
Senior Bowl, and really it's like a tie between him
and DJ Giddon. So I guess we'll talk about both
those guys right now, just to kind of clear it up.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Okay, So R J.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Harvey is a little undersized. He's like five nine two
and nine pounds, but he is explosive. He is, he's
a home run waiting to happen. You know. They run
kind of this spread offenseentate uc They got a little
speed option in there. If he gets to the perimeter, man,
he is he's lightning in a bottle and he's got
the juice. I think he ran a four. He was
like the third fastest forty at the combine and it
(10:03):
shows up on tape. He's a great accelerator. I love
watching him accelerate through the hole. That's something to other.
Another thing about backs that's kind of underrated. I don't
really care about the top end speed as much, but
I want to see you just burst through the hole.
And I think he's got a good feel for that.
I think he catches the ball pretty good out of
the backfield and that's pretty exciting, and so I think
he kind of fits in that mole of like and
it's funny. After I did my list, I was like, man,
(10:24):
I really thought about this from like a commander's perspective,
like what would make the commander's offense better? And I
do think he would make the offense better because he's
an explosive playmaker that has really good feel as a runner.
The reason he's ten on my list is because he's
a little on the smaller side, and also I don't
think he maximizes muddy runs very well. He runs hard,
like it's not about a running hard thing. His visions
(10:45):
to me a little bit sometimes I kind of like
what you're talking about, Like he'll see the cut and
he's so explosive and so twitchy, but he's a little
late rush and so like at the NFL level, obviously
that can get better, but catches the football well. I
think it's going to be definitely a contributor in terms
of the return game. Really like him, and then so
I said to kind of ten a ten B here.
DJ Gettings from Kansas State is the other one. And
(11:06):
he is a guy that feels like could be a
starting back in the NFL. Got really good vision, kind
of sneaky speed, reminds me a little bit like Alvin Kamara,
kind of this upright running style can make you miss.
Like you talk about good contact ballos, good open field creation,
pretty good in muddy run situations, good vision. The thing
about him that again, I think he catches the ball well,
(11:28):
like I really like him as a back. And it's
crazy we're talking about two guys that I like a
lot at ten here. But the thing about him is
like there's times where I'm like, how hard are you running?
Are you running? Like I didn't get the energy from him,
if that makes sense, which is weird, which is weird
to kind of talk about. But yeah, both those guys
good football players, and I think, you know, would make
the commander significantly better. But R. J. Harvey he's on
the list because he's explosive, catches the ball well and
(11:51):
brings the juice.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Man runs hard and Giddings is like right there for you.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Mean, they're the same. It just depends on schematically, like
what you're looking at. If you're looking for more like
a bell cow like first and second down guy with
some third down upside. I think Giddens is excellent. And
think about Gidding's again, like there's certain like and this
is probably me just being like a hard oh like traditionalist,
like I want to see you finish runs and sometimes
like he's stepping out of bounds, he's kind of taking
(12:17):
a knee and you're like, why are we doing that?
You know what I mean? Everything else on this run
was great, let's let's finish with violence and kind of
set the tone here. But a good player.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah. So with RJ.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Harvey, one of the things I think I noticed to
your explosiveness that like I really liked about him and
I didn't like it was something that I wasn't looking for.
It just kind of popped up and I went, oh,
I should look for this more across all positions. But
it just popped up with him is that he varies
his speed really well while running. So what I mean
by that is like he'll explode and hit the hole
(12:48):
and he'll start going, and then he'll see that defenders
are setting up angles on him, so he'll pull back
the throttle just to hear and then go and then
back and then go. It was really hard for defenders
to ever line them up because he was never unless
he was in open field and he was just out
running everybody. If there were people coming towards him, he
was constantly it was almost like foot tapping on the
(13:10):
gas every now and then to give like it put
defenders off balance for them and couldn't line up angles.
And I was like, that's really smart. That's just smart running.
And he did it extremely well. I personally really loved
with my Jack guys Giddins.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I think this guy is a sleeper in the draft class.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Know if he's a sleeper, I mean yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think I think, I think he's really good.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
And I think that's why it's weird talking about him,
because like obviously R. J. Harvey for the Commanders would
be a better fit potentially, you know, in terms of playmaking,
pass catching upside potentially, But if you're looking for someone
to kind of come in and maybe share the load
with b Rob or you know, kind of work out
that first and second down back, Giddens would be more
of a fit. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Like he's because again, like he's like I said, I
just compared Malvin Kamara, like he does some really.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Really special stuff, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But I think it's he's a guy that we talk
about this every show like that I would need to
get an interview with right to get a feel for,
like how are you actually wired? Are you competitive? Are you?
It's really the competitiveness.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So let me say this to you. Then, because I
really liked him, I did a little more research on him.
That tends to be what I do. So, Like, first off,
holy moly, this dude can juke. Like when we're talking
about like making people miss, like it's hard for defenders
to just get their hands on them, and like heard,
contact isn't enough for him, It ignores it. You've got
to wrap him up or he's going to keep going.
(14:32):
But here's what I really liked about about him, other
than like that smooth, gliding jukie running style. He started
playing high school or started playing football in his senior
year of high school, really and he was a walk
on for Kansas State. So that's why he wasn't high.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think that's why he's not high on people's board
right now because he's kind of under.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
He's like the tenth back, like he's gonna go.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
To he's going to be higher than I think he's
I think he's going to end up being like I
think I sent you my list, Like he's going to
be up there in this draft class, I think, And
I think it's a lot of this, Like he's still
raw and he is a grinder and a worker. This
just feels like a commander to me. Like I'm not
saying we should take him or we need to take him.
What I'm talking about is like the the the mentality.
(15:17):
It just feels like I just started playing football. I
kind of like this, I'm gonna put work in, I'm
gonna walk on. I'm like nothing's going to be given
to me, and I'm gonna go take.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It on your list.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, So like I don't know, that's what I really
like about him. I like all these bags, by the way,
Like there's not one that I'm gonna be upset with.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I think that's the other thing too. It's just kind
of like what's your flavor kind of like with receiver,
it's like what's your flavor? What are you looking for?
And that's the thing that's really hard to determine for
a team like the Washington Commanders because this Giddings could
he be a starting caliber back in the NFL. Yeah,
I think so. Could R J. Harvey be a kind
of a difference making third down darren Sprolls esque type
of guy, like just as the archetype of that position. Yeah,
(15:56):
it just depends on what your what your vision is
for the offense and how they think he's gonna fit.
But I think he's a He's a fun player to
watch again, Like I want to see him finish runs
a little bit more violently, but makes people miss good
good vision can maximize money runs. Like he's a really
good football player. And the fact we're talking about him
for me at ten, for you at five is interesting.
And he always like watching the Todd McShay show. He
(16:17):
has him at fourteen, so obviously, like.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's what I mean. He's kind of all over the place.
I mean, I'm just a guy that watches.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
But what I'm saying this to your point though, is
the difference between five and fourteen in this class is
not that much because it's because it's stylistically what are
you looking for? And I think this is like I
did a draft show for my other podcast recently and
everyone was freaking out about something and we're doing the
show off of my evaluations that I do on this show, right,
And if you disagree with that, that's part of the
(16:46):
draft process, right, Like if we were in a meeting
and and you're the running back coach, you say, Man,
I love Gettin's as the GM. I'm going to put
him up the board a little bit because I know
you're excited to work with him. I know you're excited
for the skill set, and I also think it fits.
So like that's where like the subjectivity of the draft
is like at the forefront.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
All right, so let's stay in kind of the Well,
it's a little bit outside the DMV area, but I
bet they are Virginia Tech fans around. So number nine
for you, who is it?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Basil Tutin from Virginia Tech. And this one was an
interesting watch for me because like he's he ran the
fastest forty at the combine. He had crazy jump numbers,
Like he is an explosive dude. I watched the game
against Virginia and I was a little disappointed, and so
came out of it and I was like, man, he's
trying to bounce every run. He's not got great contact balance,
(17:33):
Like what's going on? And I kind of got away
from it, and then I went and watched the game
he had against Miami, and I watched the game out
against Florida State, and I was like, this dude is
an absolute maniac. And it was really weird to see
just the total difference in thought. Because you watch him
against Florida State, he's breaking context. You see the lower
half strength. Obviously, the four to two shows up at
every time he touches the football. You're like holding your
(17:55):
breath like he's like everyone says, Oh, he doesn't like
you've heard this before, Like he doesn't play that fast,
Like he for sure plays that fast. Right, So he's
an explosive. He's got a track background, and so I
thought again, like if you're looking to add juice to
an offense in the same kind of mold, he's not
this player, not this player, but like you think about
what Jamior Gibbs did for the Troy Lions, he's got
(18:17):
that ability. He's not as big, his acceleration's not as good,
but I think when he's at his best, he's got
good lower half.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Tree're talking about that type of role, that type of
role right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Right, like where it's like you got like a bell
cow guy, and here's your change up pitch, and it
is a fastball right down the middle, and no one
can touch it because he's so damn fast. So I
think that's the way I view him as a player.
And again, when you watch the Miami game, breaking tackles, finishing,
runs square, and his pads up, maximizing muney runs in
that game, which is something he didn't do in the
Virginia game. So I almost didn't have my list. Go
(18:46):
back and watch these two games, I'm like, Okay, he
feels like a guy that can make a difference in
an NFL offense.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah. And he's like built, dense and thick in the
lower en yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, Like on film he looks sick at the combine.
When we saw him, didn't look that way, but on
film he looks like a little bit like a muscle
hamster kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
All Right, So number eight for you.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah for me, is this is maybe maybe my favorite
running back in the entire class.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Okay, So why at number eight.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Then, Smith Smu I think partially because it's like role.
It's like where he goes is gonna be really important.
So he's a converted wide receiver from SMU and I
love his like slashing style, like you get in the
football inside zone, Like there's certain guys you get in
the ball and it's like you don't you don't hold
your breath, you know. Like even though R. J. Harvey
(19:33):
is really fast, I'm not like like with him because
of how he hits the hole, how he gets downhill,
how he crosses lines, and how he can get make
people miss. The next level, I'm like, oh my gosh,
I can't wait for this guy to touch the football.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He looks like a wide receiver running the ball, not
in his build, but in like the way like you said,
hard cuts.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Hard cuts, gets downhill, can make people miss, and I
just like, this is what you want in an offense
that spreads people out. This is a playmaker. This is
a playmaker, right And the other thing that I loved
about him, absolutely loved about him, was he's a converted
wide receiver. So you put him in the slot. You
can run a fade, you can run a double move,
you can run a post and go. He's got the
hands run a choice, and he tracks the football. One
(20:11):
I thought, just from an offensive personnel standpoint, a player
like this is a total nightmare to game plan for
because like we can be an empty personnel shoot even
here for the commanders, like we could have Deebo Samuel
on the field. He can be on the field that
we could be in that could be that could be
twenty one personnel pony twenty one personnel for us, or
we could be an empty And now you've got to
(20:31):
match up with all these really good playmatages, like if
he's in a Kyle Shanahan offense, that kind of tree,
if he's here with Cliff someone that knows how to
use that skill set, that is a devastating weapon because
how he tracks the football.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That's so funny you said that. My last thing I
put on here was my God, could you imagine in
the field with Jayden, b Rob and Deebo it would
be because defense is how do you don't how do
you match up with that? There's so many options that
can come out of that. Yeah, man, he is Joe
a dynamic weapon. He also has speed that looks like
(21:03):
you know in Fast and Furious when they push that
little knas button. He's a competitive extra juice it there,
like man, he goes And.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's funny because even though Basil twone ran a faster forty.
There's times on film where I feel like Brishard Smith.
It just ye, it's like he gets a little competitive,
you know, and he's just out running angles. And the
reason he's eight on my list is I do feel
like he's a little bit situational. Like we talked about
all the things he can be. He's he's a little
up and down in protection. He Yeah, I think he
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does it okay with money runs, but he doesn't maximize
Muney runs because he's not the biggest guy. You know,
he's six foot, he's one hundred and ninety five pounds,
you know. But I dude, I I love him. I
love I love what he could bring to an offense
just because yeah, like watching it, like again, this is
he's we're not talking about receivers here, but like he
ran like a little like box fade and like mosses
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the linebacker, And I'm like, running backs can't do that.
They're not built to do that. So to get that
skill set and offense would be tremendous.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, he's like I don't want to say a luxury pick,
but like I'm not I don't think anyone's drafting him,
going Okay, we're gonna groom this guy into be an
every down.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Back for us.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Maybe he gets here in his career, but it's like, okay,
how can we put pressure on defenses and just putting
this guy on the field. And let me tell you
another thing. I think he'll be a special team star,
immediately return guy. Immediately he'll do yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Because he is, like I will say, like for a
guy who's going to urt a receiver, he runs hard. Yeah,
he runs. He reminds me a little bit of Debo
in that way, like he's a receiver, but he's like
gonna square his pads up, he's gonna try and run
you over. And again he's more of a shiftier guy,
but he runs with good pad like he's got a
bunch of goal line runs on tape where he gets
his pad square and like you know, it's able to
find the crease and cramming in there. So I really
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like what I like the thought of him. Again, situation
is really important. Usage is really important. And again, like
you said it kind of a luxury. I think that's
really good. Uh like analysis like kind of a luxury.
Like he's not gonna be your starting running back, not
right away?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, all right, So let's go down to Tennessee
and talk about Dylan Sampson Number Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, he's a lot of people I know really enjoy
watching his film, and he's a guy that I didn't
love on first cut because what I did this for
the running backs. I watched the highlight and then I
went and watched the film, Okay, and I felt like
the film was a lot better than the highlight because again,
when you watch the Tennessee tape, they're in this like
spreadout offense. There's light boxes like you've got to make
they really don't have to make anybody miss because they're
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playing in these soft coverage shells, and you're like, how
good is this? But then you watch the film and
you're like, oh, like, here's a guy running through the
A gap, he makes a miss, he finds the hole.
That's a five yard run. They should have been a
three yard loss. Kind of like that thing I was
talking about with Muddy Runs. I felt like there was
a lot of really good feel for Muddy runs, and
he's got some explosive high home run ability to him.
You know, I think he's okay in pass protection right,
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which is why he's ahead of some of those other guys.
And I do feel like he could project to a
bigger role in an offense, maybe not like maybe not
every down, but definitely like a rotational guy in first down.
Like it's interesting, Like I kind of looking back on it,
I probably should DJ Giddens higher because I think he
could be a starting caliber running back, like be your guy,
So he probably should have been higher. But Dylan Smith,
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I think has that kind of the ability to do
something really explosive but also do the hard stuff. Well,
I just worry about his body size at the next level,
but really like the player, really like very just very
solid film I felt like.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And speaking of his body size, here's the thing that
translates that I'm going to bring up a couple of
times because unfortunately it pops up in this class. He
had four fumbles lost this past season, has a little
bit of trouble holding on to the ball.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I think that's.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Because of his size, and like you were talking about,
he doesn't mind the muddy runs and that you mentioned
this before. Maybe it's a mentality thing with him that
can get kind of cleaned up where it's like take
the yards that are given to you because sometimes fighting
for that extra yard is that extra time for that
and other defender to come and he yanked that ball
out from you. But if he cleans that up, I
agree with you and everything.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Again, you know, we talked about, you know, Basil Tuten's
pass pro or r. J. Harvey's pass pro. Dylan Simpson,
there's times where he looks totally lost in passpor like
lost in passpor And again I was trying to remember
which game was maybe Alabama or Georgia game, right, And
Georgia does some complicated stuff with their pressures, more complicated
stuff than that sm you saw the entire year, right,
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So to compare them is tough. But there's times where
I'm like where your eyes, Like what are you looking at?
And you know, like with Rishard Smith, Basil twon, r J. Harvey,
like they're going to cut you down. They're not the
biggest guys in the world. But I'm talking Dylan Simpson's
like not going to the right guy sometimes. So yeah,
getting that cleared up, I think is going to be
a big deal for him. But really just in terms
of the muddy runs, ability to maximize good contact balance,
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like all those things we talked about. The top good vision.
I feel like he showed me the more film I
watched in a big game against Georgia an NFL running style.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Your number six is probably my favorite.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
He's a fun guy to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
He's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
He's so like, so let's oh no, let's talk about
Cam Skataboo from Arizona State.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I want to get his name in there.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, and the same way that Vishard Smith is like
my favorite because of what he can be like when
you're just watching the film. Cam Skattaboo is a ton
of fun to watch. And he's got great contact balance.
He understands how to break tackles, he knows how to
maximize money runs. He's got very solid vision, he's got
a great feel. He catches the ball well, like really
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does a great job with that stuff. So why don't
you Why is he number six on my list? The
thing I'm worried about is he's not a big frame.
You know, he waged two nineteen one of the heavier backs,
So pretty big guy, right, But he takes so many
impossibly hard shots. I'm like, how long can you do that?
The NFL level? Like I played it with a guy
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here named Robert Kelly, and maybe some fans remember him,
who ran like an absolute maniac, and I just said, man,
I was I remember I went to the Bears right
afterwards and said, man, I really enjoyed playing with Rob
because he runs so hard. And the scout was like, well,
how many years can he do that for? And I
was like, I never really thought of that. And Rob
was out of the league in two years because of
injury related stuff because he just ran so hard. It
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was the same thing with Ivory from you know, New Orleans.
He just when you run like that, when you run
with like seeking that contact, taking those shots, and you
don't have a Derrick Henry, you know, tyle frame, I
just worry like you're going to have him for three
years and it's gonna be like, man, that was awesome
three years, but he's done so again contact balance, like
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watching him against Texas, So Texas they've got Collins, they've
got all these great defensive linemen. They're in the backfield.
He's making guys, he's fine an angles, making guys miss
like literally every run, he's fighting for his life. And
that's cool to see a guy do that. And I
have a lot of respect for him as a player,
but I'm just like, I want a guy, if I'm
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going to take him in the second or third round,
to be a part of me building forward. And if
you run like that. He hasn't had an issue in college.
He's not very injury prone, but it just seems very
unlikely with how our people hit and how well people
tackle the next level.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, he definitely lives off the contact like. I don't
see him ever eliminating that from his game. It's part
of his mentality, it's part of who he is, it's
part of what makes him great. He is a smaller guy. Hey,
look the fumbles are back again. He has ten since
is twenty twenty two season. That's a lot of fumbles.
But it makes sense with the way he runs and
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how it like. But here's the thing, all right, one
draft night, Cam Skataboo is going to go higher than
anyone expects.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
A team is going to fall in love with this.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Guy, and he because of how he plays and because
of what he can do and all the positives that
come with it. And I hear what you're saying about
like the longevity of this, But there are other players
that I've found that play like him that had pretty
solid careers. So when I watched him run, he looks
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like Austin Eckler to me, same size, same type of frame,
same mentality he And here's the thing, man, he has
weird loose hips even though he's not juke anybody. Right,
there's a nice clip where the uh we were able
to get the end zone look like the tight end
zone look from the TV broadcast where he's running straight
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and his feet don't.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Move, they say on the same line, but his.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Hips just shift and a guy just whiffs right, Like
it's that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
That way he can wiggle and run. And then at
the end of that play, he.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Lowers his shoulder and runs a guy over for another
two yards, right, Like that's who he is, and some
team's going to see that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And go whoa, Yeah, I think again, like the stuff
he does is special and the other so worry about
the longevity. And also I worry about his top end
vertical speed. You know, that's something else I worry about too.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I don't know that it matters for him, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But again, like there's times where he's in the open
field and you're like, unhook the trailer man. Let's get running.
And so I think maybe I'll say this is my
own bias as a talent evaluator. I like to be
able to like, this is the bucket you're going in.
You're a scat back, You're an explosive piece. You're a
first and second down back, right, I like to be
able to say that about people. You know, I don't
know what he is at the next level. Is he
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a third down back? Is her first and second down back?
You know, like talking about here in Washington. I think
he'd be a great fit for some of his zone
read stuff because he can maximize muddy looks. But do
you want to be living with him doing that all
the time or is he part of a first and
second down two back rotation, which you're probably fine, But again,
like that's where I get like, you got to save
him from himself a little bit, and he's not gonna
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be playing all the time because of that. So, like,
what's his actually? Is he a good player? Yeah? Absolutely?
Is he fun to watch? Absolutely? Can he catch a football,
maximize money runs, good vision, good contact, bounce. Yes, it
lacks the top end explosiveness, But I worry about role
and that's that's the only concern I have.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
His role over one more thing I'm bringing up not
to be just to be Devil's advocate, I guess a
little bit, but I want to hear your take on this.
Is last year we talked a lot about Jaye and
Daniels and the types of hits he took and the
types of ways he ran. And you're like, man, we
got to clean that up because you cannot do that
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
And he cleaned it.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Up, and like it's competitiveness, and he says, I'm going
to put my body on the line in certain situations where.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
It's needed running back. You can't really do that, right,
So out of him a little bit, or do you
even want to?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Do you want to? I think that's the thing with
him is like I never want to go to Camp
Scataboo and be like, don't do that, because that's what
makes him special. Like he's like a crash test dummy
that like has a million lives and he runs like
a maniac. He's got great balance. And again, his ability
to take a lost run, break a tackle, make a
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guy miss, get you back to two is literally incredible,
Like it's incredible to watch. It's but like I was
watching who they were playing Arizona and he took one
of the hardest hits I've ever seen on like a
four yard game, and I'm just like, god, man, like,
you don't need to be living like that all the time.
But that's who he is and that's why you love him.
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It's just what does that look like? Is that as
who else took that hit? The defender?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, so here's another day. I understand what you're saying.
I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just like,
he's a part of me with like my my jag mentality.
This is dumb, just a guy thinking. Is like sometimes
I sit back and I go, all right, if he
were on a team that I dislike, like the Cowboys,
and we were playing them that week, I would be like,
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I don't like this. And that is something I put
into it, is like I would rather I want this
guy on my team.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I do not want to play against him.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
The other thing I want to say to this, and
I think that's that's a great point is I might
be okay with it because of the lack of explosiveness
in the touches. That's the other thing too, is you're
gonna like there's times where like that he makes a
nice read and he's in space and I want basiltoot
and getting that touch, you know what I mean, because
that's a touchdown. Yeah here, and with him it's a
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it's a sick run. It's a ten yard game. But
I want you know, Brishard Smith, Basil Tuton and r
J Harvey shoot, even DJ Gidden's getting that touch because
that's that could be a Toiles house call, you know,
because of the explosiveness of their game. So that's where
if another team's given him a lot of touches, great,
Like he's gonna run hard, he's going to make it tough.
You're gonna be in a lot of good down and
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distance as an offensive quarter and that's really frustrating. But ultimately,
like he's not going to kill you the way that
some of these other guys. Like what makes Sakuon Barkley special?
What makes uh the guy from Detroit special? The running
back I can't remember his name right now, but you
know what makes yeah gives what makes him special, it's
that home run ability.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
If he goes to the Eagles, Like if that was
a thing, and he's sus like relief, Like I am,
I'm terrified.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
But I think that's the thing. It's like they have
they just they just signed aj Dillon.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, I'm not saying it's going to happen. It's it's
that weird.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I think I'd probably, I think i'd be okay with it,
because again, he's he's gonna run hard, but he's not
gonna it's gonna be death by a thousand cuts, and
teams don't play that way anymore. I mean, Philly maybe does,
but like on the whole, like it's the lack of
explosiveness is a big thing for me too, and plus
the play style, like I just don't know how sustainable
it All.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Right, let's move on the number five for you.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And it's our first running back from Ohio State, which
one is it?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Logan quin Shawn Jenkins from Ohio State. And I was
it was weird. It was weird watching this film. I
was happy with this film, but also a little bit
disappointed with this film. I think I had this expectation
that he was going to be and like so I
kind of broke the backs up into tiers. I thought
he was going to be in that kind of first tier,
fringe first tier the way a couple other guys are.
But he play's physical, he's great in past protection, he's good,
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he's a good blocker, runs hard. He kind of got
this like my ability to accelerate through and into contact
at a high level. Like all this stuff about finishing runs,
the physicality that kind of football players, football player, it's
all there for him. And he's a bigger body frame
than Skataboo, and he understands kind of like when the
fight's over a little bit better than Skataboo, which I appreciate.
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So I liked the player. The thing that stood out
to me is I felt like there were times where
like he's trying to make the right cut but gets
a little bit foot heavy in the hole, and a
gain where he's like going in the right direction could
have been a five six yard gain, is a tackle
for one or a loss of one because of some
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footwork stuff at and around the line of scrimmage. So
I think I like the football player. I like what
he brings. I like his projection a lot too. I
think he could be a really good again one to
two in the NFL because of the physicality that he
plays with, but I think he needs to clean up
some stuff in terms of vision at and around the
line of scrimmage when runs aren't perfectly blocked. I think
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would be the thing.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, he's not overly shifty, yes, right of a runner,
but man, doesn't he have like a silly acceleration through
the hole. I mean when he hits it, it's good,
it's fast, and it's faster than you think it would
be for a guy his size.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
He's like two twenty one and he's not like top
end fast, but again, like he's got this.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It's that burst.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, it's like he's got that. Man, we talked about acceleration. Now,
that's important for a back. He's got that kind of
factor to him. And he's not going to be hitting
a ton of home runs, but he's going to gash
you and hard, and he's big and he's physical, and
I just the only reason I'm not a little bit
higher on him, and there's the guy that's at four
is above him, is I just worry about the vision. Man.
Just it was something that came out. I was like, oh,
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that's just one game. Watch the next game would pop
up A couple of times you're like, man, like that
seems like something that's pretty consistent for him, right, and
everything else is really good. So like I didn't really
know what to do with him, so popped him right
there in the middle instead of like the projection like
what he can be like his kind of attitude and
approach hopefully gets that figured out.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, I think I mentioned this analogy before, or like
how cars run, Like a lot of people get caught
up in the horsepower. It's like, oh man, it's got
great horse power, but there's another thing that's involved.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's the torque.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Torque means how quickly do you get from basically zero
to sixty?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
How fast is that?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
The immediate right off the line, Because you can do
a drag race at a quarter mile and a guy
can beat you off the line and like get way
out ahead of you, but he doesn't have the horsepower
that top speed will catch up and win the race.
He doesn't have that horsepower, right, but he's to beat
you off the line like he's got some torque. All right,
let's move to Caleb Johnson from Iowa. This is your
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number four? Can I say something about him real quick?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
For that?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I want you to go off of.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He runs zone so well, and that's what they asked
him to do all the time. So how do you
take a zone scheme to running back have him so
high because maybe you're not running zone all the time
with him. What did you see with him that says, Okay,
you're doing a lot of zone in college, but you
can fit our scheme even if it's not so.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I think it was just trusting that his vision was
so good. Okay, it's like he just and again it's
a little bit different, but like man, like his feel
was so good, like you know, like, hey, this run
is not blocked well, but I'm gonna I always kind
of find the right hole. I find that because I
didn't honestly like the athletes a little bit mid. For me,
it's like he's run like a high four to five
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at the combine, didn't jump very well. It doesn't pop
off on film in terms of like being super explosive
or twitch you're being able to make people miss. But
but he just he just does it right. You know.
It's like it's like a bunch of singles right like
where I'm hitting the right hole all the time. And
I just was like this is this the floor of
this is so high, right, Yeah, Like if you put
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him as your starting back or like rotational guy in
the NFL, like you're not getting maybe the home run
out of the park shots, but like keep it on schedule.
It's going to keep you on schedule. And again, he
does have enough ability at the second level to make
people miss. He scores a lot of long touchdowns too.
For whatever reason. I'm not sure if he just didn't
test well, it'd be interesting to look at the GPS
stated for him, But I think I think his vision
was so good, like you know, like if we're talking
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like matting rating, it felt like it was just like, oh,
like we were watching I was watching the Nebraska game
and the defensive tackle that we scattered for Nebraska was
killing their offensive guard. But he just was consistent, held
his line, was making these nice cuts, gashing him for
forty here, gash him for twenty here, and I just
was like, this is this is what you This is
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what NFL running is. And maybe that's why I felt
so good about it. Like I was watching an NFL
running back run NFL runs and I was like, the
transfer is like one to one, and I think that's
why I felt so comfortable about it.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
All Right, let's go to the next Ohio state running
back and talking about home run hitters and talking about
drag racing, like this guy is the first fast and
furious movie, that little VW bug that just like took
off or it's just a little Jetta, not the bug,
the little Jetta. But like he doesn't I don't know.
To me, he doesn't look like there's nothing that looks
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special about him. Yeah, he looks just like your average
running back. But he's got that gear.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
He's got the gear. And I think the thing is
like watching him in twenty twenty three, you're kind of
like a visions a little bit whatever, how hard is
he running? And then you watch him in twenty twenty
four and you're like, man like his ability to get
to the right spot in the run, to make someone miss,
to finish a run downhill, like when you compare him
to quin Shawn Jenkins, like I like Dunkins a lot,
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but like there was just a polish and explosiveness and
like a hold your breath factor to his game. And
just when they needed something like here's a screen versus Texas,
here's a big space here's a big run versus Oregon
where I find the right hole and break out. And
he didn't run a fast He didn't he ran a
fast forty. He was like a four to two, a
four to four to two, so not crazy fast, but
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no one catches him, Like, no one catches him, and
you're just like, what's going on here? Like for example
versus Texas, like the corner there at number seven, who
ran a four to three, Like he runs away from him,
and so you're just kind of like, whatever it is.
Like everyone says, oh, like he's the Gibbs of this
year's class, And I think Gibbs, like I loved his
college film. I think he was a little bit different
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than this in terms of explosiveness, acceleration and the and
the numbers at the combine hash that out. But he's
got a little bit of that to him. And I
think he does the other stuff well, like finishing runs,
getting downhill, and he catches the football well out of
the backfield, and he feels like a guy that's going
to be a playmaker for your fence, yeah right away.
And again probably more of a rotational guy. So if
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you're looking for like a starter, maybe Caleb Johnson's more
like your cup of tea, you know, because he's a
bigger guy can take those shots. Maybe even Quichahn Jenkins
is more that guy. But to me, I just thought
the explosive playmaking ability of Henderson was just a tick above,
you know. And like you know, we talked about Brishard
Smiths and Basiltuton and r J. Howvey, they're very in
the same mold. But I felt like the level of competition,
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the consistency that he played with and the other stuff,
the tough runs, the muddy runs, getting to the right
spot in the read was just was just so consistent
with Travon Henderson. Like I don't have a lot of
bad things to say about his film other than that
he's a little bit small in In twenty twenty three,
he didn't do those things, but I kind of looked
at that, look at that as a benefit, Like he
improved in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, he's got better.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
And with the Jamier Gibbs comparison, because I wrote that down,
I'm not I don't.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Think I'm saying he's going to be him.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
It's the role, right, that's what you want. You want
a sonic and knuckles, and he's your sonic if you're
building that, right, So if you are, you have your knuckles,
this guy is going to be your sonic.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
He may not be as good as Jamior Gibbs, he
may not be as exposed good m Gibbs as special. Yeah,
you saw him in person in that Detroit game where
the Commanders beat them to beat Detroit and.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
We saw we saw him with the combine man Ran,
I think it was our four to nine. He's like,
he's got the same yeah, like it's a different speed, right, but.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
He's not that. But the role is I.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Think the role could be very similar. And I think
when you're looking at the running back position, he to
me embodies the evolution of the position of this dynamic
playmaking element back there. And I think that's one of
the reasons why if you look at my running back list,
it's got a lot more value at the in that
type of slot, because I think those guys change games.
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You need that, you need the knuckles, right, but the
sonic is the one that's gonna it's going to change
the way defense is approached.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Stresses M. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, Number two.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Dude, these two guys are really good football players.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
How close are all right?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
So your number one is clearly going to be gent Yeah,
it's every buddies number one.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
There's a reason.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
But it may be closer than people think with these two.
So how close would you say you have them? Were
you like debating at all?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Or are you like I not really, I mean maybe
a little bit. They're really close, Like it's just closer
than people think. Yeah, and I think like because like, oh,
Marion Hampton, I think it's more of a testament to
Marion Hampton than it is a knock against Ashton. All right, great,
because like Ashton Genty is dude like man like everything
you want.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Like, yeah, we'll talk about him in the soccer. So
let's do a Maria and.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Inputs Maryon Hampton, Like, so a Maryon Hampton is big.
He's bigger than I thought he was. He measured at
the combine, bigger than I thought he was. He's got
enough juice to hit a home run. He ran a
four to four to eighth the combine that shows up
on film. He's two twenty one, by the way, catches
the football well and he's got maybe the best contact
balance in the class, like maybe the best contact ballots
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in the class. So that combination of like you're talking
about Scataboo maybe or gent like, but he just got this.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
There's a lot of guys that have it.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Strong lower half. He can break tackles, and he's explosive
for a guy that side. So to see it back
that big that can carry the workload the way he does,
like he's a starting caliber running back in the NFL,
and he has pass game upside and he's got explosive ability.
Like it reminded me of like Eddie George kind of
you know, that big guy that's got that next gear
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that can run you over then hit the gas. I
do think I get a little bit on the fence
about his vision sometimes because he is big. He just
kind of crams it in there sometimes and like moves
the pile and then they'll score it out the other side.
But he's missing the cut. So that's something that I'm
a little bit concerned about. But I thought the other
stuff was so was so good, you know what I mean,
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Like the contact balance, the home run ability, the way
he caught the football, like so he's able to make
people miss like's it was really good film. It was
really good running back film, and like then when I
went through it, it was like definitively like, Okay, these
two are up here. And then there's a little bit
of a step to kind of the next group, which
would be like Trevon Henderson, Caleb Johnson, quinch On Jenkins,
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and then Scataboy and then there was like another step
down just in terms of like quality of prospect.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Hampton is a big guy who runs like a little
guy but isn't afraid to run like a big guy.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Dude. I think that's a great one. I think you
captured the what he is, the dichotomy of what he
is so well there because he can do little guy
stuff and he does it well, but he.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Also is big by the sacrifice of that.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yes, yeah, And so usually you get a guy like
sometimes you get big guys you run small, and he
can do small guy stuff, but he runs with such power,
like he's like his lower half. I'd be interesting to
see him like what he squats and stuff. He's got
like such good balance and his ability to absorb contact
is just different.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
And when you said like he'll hit a hole and
like he's somehow like pout out the other side, like
you spoke to that, I was like, I don't know
how he gets so skinny and those holes. I don't
see it. I can't quite see it. It's just he
hits it. You're like, okay, there's a three are what
it's ten yards? Just kind of like, I don't know
how he does and.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I think it's just he's he seems really really strong,
like a really really strong football player, and it just
felt like a little bit like a man playing with
amongst boys at Carolina. So when he was at North Carolina,
so I really like the prospect. I like him a
lot more so people were like, would you take a
running back of twenty nine? And I kind of was like, no,
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I'm not a first round running back guy, and I'm
not a first round running back guy, but I think
I would take either one of the one of the
top two at that spot.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, he's going. I think he's going to be a
true third down back. Third down back, I mean I
mean three down Yeah, that's what I think, because he could.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Catch the ball, he can run hard, and he can
be ex.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I forget what game it was, but I saw him.
He caught a screen and you're like, he's great vision
to set the screen up. Great catch on the screen,
kind of a weird throw, cut the ball awkwardly and
then breaks a tackle, makes a guy miss, and then
has enough juice to just finish the run. It was
like a sixty yard reception for a touchdown. You know,
he had sixty catches this over sixty catches this last
year in college. Like, yeah, dude, he's uh, he's like
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someone said, Joe Mixon. I think he's a little he plays.
He plays bigger than Joe Mixon to me. And so
like that's where the Eddie George Komp feels a little
bit more real to me.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I like that comp a lot, all right, Boise State,
Ashton Gent He's pretty much to consensus number one.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
You kind of see why, right, Like there's not too.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Much the level of competition. Maybe it would be the
only thing.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
He's a little smaller.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah five and a half yeah, five nine, like a
little bit smaller.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
But what do you wait too? Ten two eleven to
eleven Yeah, so good size for a guy that height.
But so maybe the number one statistic that I look
at with running backs when I'm evaluating them is miss
tackles forced. And he has the highest misstackles force rate
in the history of PFF keeping that metric, it's crazy
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and it's almost a full half point, which is a
significant fifty percent higher than are full twenty five percent
higher than John Robinson who had the highest rate prior
to that. So when you watch the film, like again,
Penn State, everyone gives them, gives them crap about the
Penn State game.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
I don't understand why, dude, you've.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Made everybody miss He took like he took one yard
losses and tournament of five yard games consistently.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
So Penn State one of the best defenses this past year.
All right, Abdul Carter's on that team. He was, he
was a little banged up, but he was out there playing.
They have they have several draftable players on defense on
that team. Who on Boise? Are they keenan one? Do
you think?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah? I mean aston gents, and that's it. Yeah, that's
nobody's sole goal.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
So you have draftable NFL defensive players on the other
line in a great college defense that are saying, you're
the only guy we're trying to stop. And while Boise
lost the game, he still got his he still carried
the ball, He still make guys missed. There weren't those
big explosive things that you see in like the level
of competition. That's probably why his stats were so gaudy
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as some other schools, like.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well could get like when you're playing like a corn
or whatever the hell school is playing, like he makes
the two guys miss and then and then then he's
sitting home run. Yeah for some here, but like it
was to me in some ways, the Penn State game
was like more impressive in the same way like the
Texas game for Camp Scataboo was incredibly impressive. Like there's
no big runs in that game, but we're we're doing
the running back stuff right at a really high level.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
You're giving your team a chance to win, right, and
you know what. They also played Oregon. Yeah, he did
really well against Oregon. Oregon's they're not a Penn State defense,
but they're good a defensive players.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Think about when we did defensive line rankings, they have
defensive tackles that we both like, right, they got an
edge and Birch, who's one of the biggest strongest guys
in the NFL. Like, they have a linebacker who'll be
probably top fifteen in the draft. This year, So like
what do you want from him? Right? Right?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Like he catches the.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Ball, he doesn't, I guess people say I didn't catch
the ball a ton like when they throw it to
him and cut the ball fine, Like.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, he's fine, Yeah, he's fine catching the ball. I
think I think he's better than catching the ball than
people think. I think he hasn't ice hands. The thing
about him is like it's the contact balance. I think
it's elite, right, like better than some of these guys.
You know, you ever watch Jurassic World. You have kids,
you know that, remember when they get in like that
gyro spear where they're rolling out of the dinosaurs just
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hitting them And it doesn't matter how hard this dinosaurs
hitting them, it just stays. That's him, Like he's a
small little dude. People are hitting them. He's just well,
I don't care. It's just still going like that. It's
a cop for one thing with him, Like he's kind
of like a minime Le'Veon bell le'vy on bell is better.
But like I feel like he runs kind of like
that patient and then quick bursts.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
I mean it's perfect, like the style.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
And he ran. And I think the other thing too
about him is Le'Veon Bell was good, but like, I've
never seen anybody force misstackles the way this guy forced. Mister. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Absolutely, And it's the stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You're talking about, like it's it's like sometimes they run
you over. But he also has this ability to like
just change the angle. You were talking about it with
J Harvey. R. J Harvey just changed the angle on
just a little bit where the guy misses and then
I'm keeping my balance, like and then I'm able to
accelerate his ability to It's he's a special prospect, man,
And I think you see that. I didn't really get
it until I watched him, but you see why people
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have him as like a top five prospect in the
entire class, and it's because of his ability to elevate
offensive lineman again to make people miss it a way
that nobody prior to this has been able to do.
So I think both these guys are really good. On
Myra Hampton and National Gent. I mean, shoot, I think
all these guys are good. I think they're all going
to play, going to make an impact on NFL roster.
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But yeah, I mean the ability to consistently make people
miss was so unique to him, you know, I loved
Jon Robinson film. I loved it, and I thought this
film was better.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Like he's just as smooth.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
It looks just as smooth like that. That's that's a
good way, the smoothness. But just I can make you
miss by juking you. I can make you miss by
changing my angle. I can make you miss through acceleration.
I can make you miss through running you over like
it was it was. There's not a lot of bad
things to say. And I even if if you're one
of criticisms of the Penn Stake, like, I don't really
care because I actually liked that film a lot, you
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know what I mean, Like I fumbled once. Maybe that's
why you're upset about it, but it was a good
film to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
So here's here's why I think about this draft class overall,
and that uh, there's this standing now that is kind
of out there where it's running back so.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
You can just get later, so you just don't draft
them high.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
And then you have these blue chippers come along like
a Bijon like Jamior Gibbs, right like, and they go
higher than people anticipate. Maybe not Bijean, but like Gibbs
did when he went to the lines. It was like
a surprise.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I was really high on him. I love Gibbs, and
I was like, no second round place.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
You could get one there. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
When you're drafting a running back or it seems like,
if you're going to draft a running back, if your
team is set to have the star running back, just
take them, even if it's in the first round. And Saquon,
I think, is a great example of this. The Giants
drafted them really high. Saquon's talent was never in doubt,
but they were ready for him to be on that
Giants team. He goes to the Eagles and look what
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happens because they're ready to have that star running back.
So if Genty, Hampton, like these guys go to a
team that is ready, they are going to be stars
right away. And I don't think that there is that
mitigating risk you talk about.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
I think it's gone at that point.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
If you're not set with your offensive line, if you're
not set with your offense, if you don't feel comfortable
and you take Ashton Genty, he's not going to do
anything for you.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, And I think the thing about Ashton Genty, which
makes him maybe unique in this situation compared to Saquan specifically,
is Ashton Genty is like he does his vision, his
ability to find cuts, his ability to maximize money runs
is good. It's like a plus, and sae Quon's was
never there. Right, So maybe you could bring a guy
like this in kind of like Rhys Jones Drew did
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when he went to Jackson Jacksonville, right, and make your
offensive line better because they're so good at the running
back stuff.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
I'm not saying he's not going to elevate, but what I'm.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Saying it's like it that's it's just a different kind
of prospect, but it's your analysis one hundred percent sound.
I'm just saying like he's even more unique than that
because of this other stuff that he does so well.
So I could see a team and like we'll shoot well,
we think like Las Vegas for example, like our offensive
line is not great, but he's so good at what
he does that we might not be getting peak Ashton
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Genty the way that Philly got the peak Peace Stateman Barkley,
but he's going to make us better this year because
of his talent.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Well, let me say to that that's perfectly fine. Like
a team can do that, but have a plan for.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Him, right, that's the thing plan for all these guys really, right.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, But like if you're going to take gent now
and it's like blue Chipper, we want him on our team.
He's going to elevate us, then you need to say, also,
I'm committed to making this line better immediately, whether it's
next year or the year after, Like I'm going to
focus on that to maximize what we have here, because
you'll run into a situation that we see I think
quite often, and is why the conversation is, we'll just
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take a later round running back because later around running
backs can perform very well with good offensive line. But
a special running back with a good offensive line, that's
where the magic acts.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
So yeah, and I think we're just talking about it,
like DJ Gidden's a good football player. Is he going
to make your team better?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
If you have a good offensive line and you draft him,
he's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
He's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
But if you have a bad offensive line you draft him,
he's going to struggle. But they all will. Right, It's
like again, gent Hampton. They may elevate it a little
bit and have good seasons.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
But that's why they're in a different tier than the
exactly right. Yeah, and that was fun.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Run running backs was great.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Running backs is fun, and it was fun because they're good,
like they're good players, you know what I mean. And
again it's kind of like what flavor ice cream you're
looking for? You looking for the big guy, looking for
the small guy. And we'll say there's not a bunch
of really great power runners this year, but in terms
of guys that can elevate your offense and make plays,
it's an exciting class.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
And for our Commanders fans, there are a lot of
running backs here, a lot of them that if they
come here with what Cliff has going, I think that's
Jaden and what you already have in that room with
b Robin Eckler and McNicol, right, Like with those guys
in there, adding a young piece that compliments with what
they're trying to do or adds another stress to the
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defenses we're playing, I think I think there are a
lot of guys here that could be big impacts in Washington.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, shoot, like even a guy like
Jordan James from Oregan, you know his ability to like
he's like he's not going to test grade. He's not
gonna run anybody over, but like he's just a good back. Yeah,
And like that's a guy that you can get in
the third, fourth, fifth round and just be like, oh, Okay,
this guy's going to be a starting rotational piece for
me as a fifth round pick. Or like cal Mullings
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from Michigan, Like he's a guy that played linebacker at Michigan,
converted late in his career, big heavy dude that gets
downhill and is still learning how to run because he
played linebacker. But yep, those are good football players, man. Absolutely,
we're excited.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah, this is great running back classes.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
I think this is going to be a really good
class at the end of at the end of it all,
like when we look back in three years, I think
we're going to say there were I'm not saying there
is a bunch of superstars in it, but there are
going to be a lot of solid players in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
It's like when Fred and Santana talk about their draft
class and they're like, this guy in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
Risk, Yeah, that was a crazy draft two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah. I don't know when yeah when I think, but anyway,
but that's going to do it. For today's show on
running back and please make sure you like it subscribing.
You know, if there's a running back we missed, throw
it in the comment. Maybe that's what we're doing now.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Are running backs we miss? For sure, there's a lot
of good ones.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
But like one of the things I was thinking about
because of this other show I did, if there's a
guy you want us to talk about, leave it in
the comments.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
Put it in there because we're getting to a point.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Now where we're done ranking positions and we'll kind of
go through maybe a fan, a fan selected position guy
or group of guys and we can talk about.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
All these Yeah, give us give us your fans. We
collected ten of them. We'll talk about the fan the
fan top ten.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
I don't know that was bad, well whatever.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Whatever, but that's going to do it for today's show.
Please make sure you like the subscribe where we get
your podcasts, and that's it.
On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we've
got the top ten running backs. Well it's more like
twelve thirteen, fourteen, because this running back class is super deep.
We talk who's got the juice that speed those forties,
those explosive runs, and who's got the power to run
you over and who's got both? And we've got Omar
and Hampton and Ash and gent Who's the real number one?
Is it closer than people think? It all starts right now.
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Welcome in the Ticke of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan
Paulson here with just the guy, Jason and Jason. It's
so fun to be back in the seat talking more prospects. Man,
how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm doing great, especially because it's running back and running
back like wide receiver like quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
They're just fun to watch, right.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
These are the these are the guys that have the
crazy juke moves. They're bigger and runs. They're big and
run super fast. Some of them are smaller and can
run people over. It's just you get the contrasts and
body types with what you expect and what they can
and can't do.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And it's a deep class.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I think it is a deep class. It was. It
was interesting though, like this is something I didn't talk
to you about, but like it's so it's always a
good reminder this class is deep and there will be
starters in this class, a lot of starters and guys
like rotational guys for sure, But I'm always reminded like
they are Like running back, college running back is so
different than NFL running back right now, so tell me
about it. Yeah, So I think one of the things
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is there's only a couple of running backs that run
in like pro style systems. It's all these kind of
gun runs, like where there's a lot of space, light boxes.
You got to make one guy miss, there's a ton
of space. Because one of the things I've I evaluate
in my process is like how well the running back
does with like a bad look or a muddy look
at the line of scrimmage, Like can you be creative
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and find those tight creases those tight gaps. And there's
a couple guys on here that I downgraded actually because
I felt like they couldn't do that. But it's just
so hard to find clips of the mexicanting that at
a high level, you know, And so I think that's
something that's so different. So you're like, it feels like,
you know, when you watch defensive end, when you watch
an offensive linemen, when you watch receivers, you see transferable
stuff like all the time. And with running backs. Yeah,
(02:01):
it's great when you see someone hit a home run
and it's mag exposive run, and obviously that's transferable because
they're fast or explosive whatever it is. But it's the
it's the nuance of the position, like the thing that
separates b John Robinson from just another guy, or the
thing that separates Derrick Henry from just another position. And
why you know why Derek Henry is a good example
actually why Derek Henry struggled early in his career because
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he had he had a hard time maximizing bad looks.
And that's something that I think really takes a good
running back and makes them great. And so I like
to see an element of that when watching film. M'ch
just hard to find because all these spread looks, all
these light boxes, they don't get them as much.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, absolutely, I actually want to dive into some terms
because you threw a couple of them in there. But yeah,
when evaluating a running back, one of the other things
that I would say that like is hard to do
because if you go look at a highlight tape where
you just watch running plays, like a cutup of running plays,
you're not really going to see how they do with
in past block, which is really important past shanda, Right,
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So one of the things I would suggest if somebody
is watching this is go on YouTube and finally cut
up of all the passing plays from a game of
theirs and see what they do, like are they getting
physical or not? So like, those are the type of things,
like you said, being in muddy situations, what do you do?
And are you going to be in past protection because
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in the NFL, you're not going to be a starting
running back, certainly not a three down back if you're
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And it's funny because a lot of these guys project
to that third that third down back type role. But
then again, like you, then you watch them pastor and
you're like, oh, this isn't exactly what I was hoping
for here. You're like, you know, they're they're shifty, they're small,
they're athletic, or even some of the bigger guys, right
who can catch the football out of the backfield. We'll
talk about some of them in a minute, but like
they need to be able to do like the most
important part of being a third down back, which is
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pass protect and I think that sometimes it doesn't always
show up on film, and I got to remind myself
to every year we watch this, I'm very very rarely
and I'm like, oh, this guy's are really a pass
protector because it's again in they're trying to get guys
out routes or you're not.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Asking him to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's much, yeah, for sure. And I mean what de
Q has said, uh he said it before here. If
you're going to be a running back on this team
for the Commanders, you're gonna you're gonna get in it.
You're gonna mix it up with pass blocking. And that's
one of the reasons that they brought in Austin Eckler
because that's what he It's one of the things he
loves to do. He will get in there and scrap
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and I wanted to bring that attitude and that energy
into that running back room. So coaches look for that.
It's not just EQ and the Commanders, I think almost
all coaches look for that. You got to be an
extra special player to not bring that to a team
and see any time on the field. But I want
to ask you real quickly about some terms. We do
this every time of things that you're going to say. Here,
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you already said muddy. So a muddy run. What's the
money run?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, somebody run. It's like, you know, you're running inside zone.
There's not a lot of movement, there's maybe a free
runner in the hole, Like, can you get back to
the line of scrimmage? Can you make this? Like? Can
you keep us on schedule? And there's guy in this
class who, like I didn't, I don't really like love
him as a prospect for a myriad of reasons. But
he does that better than anybody I've seen the last
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couple of years. And that's why he's high on the list,
you know what I mean, Because your ability to keep
the offense on schedule. Hey, we didn't block the middle
linebacker on this run through. But you make a miss,
you break a tack, you fall forward, you find like
this tight crease, you're able to cram it in there,
and a run that should have been tackled for a
loss of one is now a gain of three. And
if you can do that matter, and if you look
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at like some of the stuff that happens around the
NFL when you say, like, what makes this back special
is their ability to keep you on schedule offensively, because
I don't want to be in second and ten as
an offensive coordinator if I call a first down run.
So getting a back that again can elevate your offensive
line and put you in the best position to be successful. Like,
to me, that's that is I don't want to say
the most important thing, but it's definitely like one A,
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one B with some other traits that I look for
in running backs.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
All Right, how do you determine the vision of a
running back when evaluating.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, so I think the thing is like probably because
like we did so much stuff here with outside zone,
gap team stuff with a myriad of teams that I
that I played with, Right, is you kind of get
a feel for where the ball should go, and then
you've watched enough football to know that like if this happens,
then this should happen, and if that happens, then this
happens like ABC and then D option right, And so
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sometimes when you're watching a back run, like you can
kind of feel the way the run is progressing, and
they call it riding the wave right, So like first
gaps closed, I got to bounce it back when more,
second gas closed, got to bounce back when more, Oh
this gaps open, put my foot in the ground and
hit it hard, get downhill and drive and attack that
line of scrimmage. And so that's kind of what I'm
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looking at. And when I see a back kind of
run to darkness, like running to the back of the
offensive line and I try to plow forward for four
I'm like, you didn't read it out, your vision wasn't.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Or miss the whole, or it closes too quickly because
it weren't decisive enough.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah. I think that's a great way to put it.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Up, because sometimes you get running backs that when they're
working on their vision, it is like, like you said,
like following a wave, okay, this is closed as close
all right, foot in the ground off.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But then there's also times where they're too patient.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
They're like, oh this is and by the time they
that like, oh should I go, it's closed.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So it's hitting it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's being patient, but also knowing as soon as that opens,
you got to make a decision and go right.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think that's exactly right. And there's a couple of
guys that do that really really well in this class.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And the last one I want to talk to you
about is contact balance because I felt like a lot
of guys in this class have good contact balance, so
we're gonna mention it a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, contact balance, I think is another one of those traits.
It's like sneaky underrated for a back because even as oh,
can you make a guy miss, can you hit an
explosive run, but contact balance is equally as important. There's
a guy number nine on my list actually who I
remember watching a game he had against Virginia and he
just had terrible contact balance and like an arm tackle,
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you know, a defensive tackle be falling off, get an
arm on him and he'd fall down. You're like, man,
that's a fifteen yard run if you can get out
of that arm tackle. And so the ability to like
keep your balance, survive contact, stay on your feet is
to me one of I don't again. Like we talked
about muddy runs and they go. They work so well together.
Muddy runs and contact balance are so closely tied. And honestly,
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muddy runs they have contact balance. It's got vision in there, right.
All those things factor in, but it's a big part,
especially for a bigger back. You better have good contact balance.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, and a lot of the times, like running backs
very rarely don't get touched, like Saquon was like a
freak this year because of that offensive line he had.
He like led the league in most yardage before contact,
which is insane that you have that end his athletic ability, right,
So when that's one of the reasons he had such
an amazing year. But most of the time, you're gonna
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not make someone juke out of their shoes where a
defender is going to fall down on that put some
sort of hand or something on you, so they're gonna
hit you in some way or another.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's just can you knit.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Negate that contact to be hard enough to knock you
over and it's like I can absorb a little bit
of that, like take that and keep moving, right, That's
what you're looking.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
For one hundred percent. So I think those are actually
some really good terms that you picked out there to
kind of review because if you have these things, if
you have contact, contact balance, open field creation, good vision,
and you can survive money runs like you're good, you're
good back.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, And we have a lot of good ones. So
let's start at number ten for you. It is out
of UCF Central Florida.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, RJ. Harvey. So he was a guy at the
Senior Bowl, and really it's like a tie between him
and DJ Giddon. So I guess we'll talk about both
those guys right now, just to kind of clear it up.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Okay, So R J.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Harvey is a little undersized. He's like five nine two
and nine pounds, but he is explosive. He is, he's
a home run waiting to happen. You know. They run
kind of this spread offenseentate uc They got a little
speed option in there. If he gets to the perimeter, man,
he is he's lightning in a bottle and he's got
the juice. I think he ran a four. He was
like the third fastest forty at the combine and it
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shows up on tape. He's a great accelerator. I love
watching him accelerate through the hole. That's something to other.
Another thing about backs that's kind of underrated. I don't
really care about the top end speed as much, but
I want to see you just burst through the hole.
And I think he's got a good feel for that.
I think he catches the ball pretty good out of
the backfield and that's pretty exciting, and so I think
he kind of fits in that mole of like and
it's funny. After I did my list, I was like, man,
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I really thought about this from like a commander's perspective,
like what would make the commander's offense better? And I
do think he would make the offense better because he's
an explosive playmaker that has really good feel as a runner.
The reason he's ten on my list is because he's
a little on the smaller side, and also I don't
think he maximizes muddy runs very well. He runs hard,
like it's not about a running hard thing. His visions
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to me a little bit sometimes I kind of like
what you're talking about, Like he'll see the cut and
he's so explosive and so twitchy, but he's a little
late rush and so like at the NFL level, obviously
that can get better, but catches the football well. I
think it's going to be definitely a contributor in terms
of the return game. Really like him, and then so
I said to kind of ten a ten B here.
DJ Gettings from Kansas State is the other one. And
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he is a guy that feels like could be a
starting back in the NFL. Got really good vision, kind
of sneaky speed, reminds me a little bit like Alvin Kamara,
kind of this upright running style can make you miss.
Like you talk about good contact ballos, good open field creation,
pretty good in muddy run situations, good vision. The thing
about him that again, I think he catches the ball well,
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like I really like him as a back. And it's
crazy we're talking about two guys that I like a
lot at ten here. But the thing about him is
like there's times where I'm like, how hard are you running?
Are you running? Like I didn't get the energy from him,
if that makes sense, which is weird, which is weird
to kind of talk about. But yeah, both those guys
good football players, and I think, you know, would make
the commander significantly better. But R. J. Harvey he's on
the list because he's explosive, catches the ball well and
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brings the juice.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Man runs hard and Giddings is like right there for you.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Mean, they're the same. It just depends on schematically, like
what you're looking at. If you're looking for more like
a bell cow like first and second down guy with
some third down upside. I think Giddens is excellent. And
think about Gidding's again, like there's certain like and this
is probably me just being like a hard oh like traditionalist,
like I want to see you finish runs and sometimes
like he's stepping out of bounds, he's kind of taking
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a knee and you're like, why are we doing that?
You know what I mean? Everything else on this run
was great, let's let's finish with violence and kind of
set the tone here. But a good player.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah. So with RJ.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Harvey, one of the things I think I noticed to
your explosiveness that like I really liked about him and
I didn't like it was something that I wasn't looking for.
It just kind of popped up and I went, oh,
I should look for this more across all positions. But
it just popped up with him is that he varies
his speed really well while running. So what I mean
by that is like he'll explode and hit the hole
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and he'll start going, and then he'll see that defenders
are setting up angles on him, so he'll pull back
the throttle just to hear and then go and then
back and then go. It was really hard for defenders
to ever line them up because he was never unless
he was in open field and he was just out
running everybody. If there were people coming towards him, he
was constantly it was almost like foot tapping on the
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gas every now and then to give like it put
defenders off balance for them and couldn't line up angles.
And I was like, that's really smart. That's just smart running.
And he did it extremely well. I personally really loved
with my Jack guys Giddins.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I think this guy is a sleeper in the draft class.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Know if he's a sleeper, I mean yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think I think, I think he's really good.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
And I think that's why it's weird talking about him,
because like obviously R. J. Harvey for the Commanders would
be a better fit potentially, you know, in terms of playmaking,
pass catching upside potentially, But if you're looking for someone
to kind of come in and maybe share the load
with b Rob or you know, kind of work out
that first and second down back, Giddens would be more
of a fit. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Like he's because again, like he's like I said, I
just compared Malvin Kamara, like he does some really.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Really special stuff, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But I think it's he's a guy that we talk
about this every show like that I would need to
get an interview with right to get a feel for,
like how are you actually wired? Are you competitive? Are you?
It's really the competitiveness.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So let me say this to you. Then, because I
really liked him, I did a little more research on him.
That tends to be what I do. So, Like, first off,
holy moly, this dude can juke. Like when we're talking
about like making people miss, like it's hard for defenders
to just get their hands on them, and like heard,
contact isn't enough for him, It ignores it. You've got
to wrap him up or he's going to keep going.
(14:32):
But here's what I really liked about about him, other
than like that smooth, gliding jukie running style. He started
playing high school or started playing football in his senior
year of high school, really and he was a walk
on for Kansas State. So that's why he wasn't high.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think that's why he's not high on people's board
right now because he's kind of under.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
He's like the tenth back, like he's gonna go.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
To he's going to be higher than I think he's
I think he's going to end up being like I
think I sent you my list, Like he's going to
be up there in this draft class, I think, And
I think it's a lot of this, Like he's still
raw and he is a grinder and a worker. This
just feels like a commander to me. Like I'm not
saying we should take him or we need to take him.
What I'm talking about is like the the the mentality.
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It just feels like I just started playing football. I
kind of like this, I'm gonna put work in, I'm
gonna walk on. I'm like nothing's going to be given
to me, and I'm gonna go take.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It on your list.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, So like I don't know, that's what I really
like about him. I like all these bags, by the way,
Like there's not one that I'm gonna be upset with.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I think that's the other thing too. It's just kind
of like what's your flavor kind of like with receiver,
it's like what's your flavor? What are you looking for?
And that's the thing that's really hard to determine for
a team like the Washington Commanders because this Giddings could
he be a starting caliber back in the NFL. Yeah,
I think so. Could R J. Harvey be a kind
of a difference making third down darren Sprolls esque type
of guy, like just as the archetype of that position. Yeah,
(15:56):
it just depends on what your what your vision is
for the offense and how they think he's gonna fit.
But I think he's a He's a fun player to
watch again, Like I want to see him finish runs
a little bit more violently, but makes people miss good
good vision can maximize money runs. Like he's a really
good football player. And the fact we're talking about him
for me at ten, for you at five is interesting.
And he always like watching the Todd McShay show. He
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has him at fourteen, so obviously, like.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's what I mean. He's kind of all over the place.
I mean, I'm just a guy that watches.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
But what I'm saying this to your point though, is
the difference between five and fourteen in this class is
not that much because it's because it's stylistically what are
you looking for? And I think this is like I
did a draft show for my other podcast recently and
everyone was freaking out about something and we're doing the
show off of my evaluations that I do on this show, right,
And if you disagree with that, that's part of the
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draft process, right, Like if we were in a meeting
and and you're the running back coach, you say, Man,
I love Gettin's as the GM. I'm going to put
him up the board a little bit because I know
you're excited to work with him. I know you're excited
for the skill set, and I also think it fits.
So like that's where like the subjectivity of the draft
is like at the forefront.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
All right, so let's stay in kind of the Well,
it's a little bit outside the DMV area, but I
bet they are Virginia Tech fans around. So number nine
for you, who is it?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Basil Tutin from Virginia Tech. And this one was an
interesting watch for me because like he's he ran the
fastest forty at the combine. He had crazy jump numbers,
Like he is an explosive dude. I watched the game
against Virginia and I was a little disappointed, and so
came out of it and I was like, man, he's
trying to bounce every run. He's not got great contact balance,
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Like what's going on? And I kind of got away
from it, and then I went and watched the game
he had against Miami, and I watched the game out
against Florida State, and I was like, this dude is
an absolute maniac. And it was really weird to see
just the total difference in thought. Because you watch him
against Florida State, he's breaking context. You see the lower
half strength. Obviously, the four to two shows up at
every time he touches the football. You're like holding your
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breath like he's like everyone says, Oh, he doesn't like
you've heard this before, Like he doesn't play that fast,
Like he for sure plays that fast. Right, So he's
an explosive. He's got a track background, and so I
thought again, like if you're looking to add juice to
an offense in the same kind of mold, he's not
this player, not this player, but like you think about
what Jamior Gibbs did for the Troy Lions, he's got
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that ability. He's not as big, his acceleration's not as good,
but I think when he's at his best, he's got
good lower half.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Tree're talking about that type of role, that type of
role right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Right, like where it's like you got like a bell
cow guy, and here's your change up pitch, and it
is a fastball right down the middle, and no one
can touch it because he's so damn fast. So I
think that's the way I view him as a player.
And again, when you watch the Miami game, breaking tackles, finishing,
runs square, and his pads up, maximizing muney runs in
that game, which is something he didn't do in the
Virginia game. So I almost didn't have my list. Go
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back and watch these two games, I'm like, Okay, he
feels like a guy that can make a difference in
an NFL offense.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah. And he's like built, dense and thick in the
lower en yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, Like on film he looks sick at the combine.
When we saw him, didn't look that way, but on
film he looks like a little bit like a muscle
hamster kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
All Right, So number eight for you.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah for me, is this is maybe maybe my favorite
running back in the entire class.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Okay, So why at number eight.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Then, Smith Smu I think partially because it's like role.
It's like where he goes is gonna be really important.
So he's a converted wide receiver from SMU and I
love his like slashing style, like you get in the
football inside zone, Like there's certain guys you get in
the ball and it's like you don't you don't hold
your breath, you know. Like even though R. J. Harvey
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is really fast, I'm not like like with him because
of how he hits the hole, how he gets downhill,
how he crosses lines, and how he can get make
people miss. The next level, I'm like, oh my gosh,
I can't wait for this guy to touch the football.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He looks like a wide receiver running the ball, not
in his build, but in like the way like you said,
hard cuts.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Hard cuts, gets downhill, can make people miss, and I
just like, this is what you want in an offense
that spreads people out. This is a playmaker. This is
a playmaker, right And the other thing that I loved
about him, absolutely loved about him, was he's a converted
wide receiver. So you put him in the slot. You
can run a fade, you can run a double move,
you can run a post and go. He's got the
hands run a choice, and he tracks the football. One
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I thought, just from an offensive personnel standpoint, a player
like this is a total nightmare to game plan for
because like we can be an empty personnel shoot even
here for the commanders, like we could have Deebo Samuel
on the field. He can be on the field that
we could be in that could be that could be
twenty one personnel pony twenty one personnel for us, or
we could be an empty And now you've got to
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match up with all these really good playmatages, like if
he's in a Kyle Shanahan offense, that kind of tree,
if he's here with Cliff someone that knows how to
use that skill set, that is a devastating weapon because
how he tracks the football.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That's so funny you said that. My last thing I
put on here was my God, could you imagine in
the field with Jayden, b Rob and Deebo it would
be because defense is how do you don't how do
you match up with that? There's so many options that
can come out of that. Yeah, man, he is Joe
a dynamic weapon. He also has speed that looks like
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you know in Fast and Furious when they push that
little knas button. He's a competitive extra juice it there,
like man, he goes And.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's funny because even though Basil twone ran a faster forty.
There's times on film where I feel like Brishard Smith.
It just ye, it's like he gets a little competitive,
you know, and he's just out running angles. And the
reason he's eight on my list is I do feel
like he's a little bit situational. Like we talked about
all the things he can be. He's he's a little
up and down in protection. He Yeah, I think he
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does it okay with money runs, but he doesn't maximize
Muney runs because he's not the biggest guy. You know,
he's six foot, he's one hundred and ninety five pounds,
you know. But I dude, I I love him. I
love I love what he could bring to an offense
just because yeah, like watching it, like again, this is
he's we're not talking about receivers here, but like he
ran like a little like box fade and like mosses
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the linebacker, And I'm like, running backs can't do that.
They're not built to do that. So to get that
skill set and offense would be tremendous.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, he's like I don't want to say a luxury pick,
but like I'm not I don't think anyone's drafting him,
going Okay, we're gonna groom this guy into be an
every down.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Back for us.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Maybe he gets here in his career, but it's like, okay,
how can we put pressure on defenses and just putting
this guy on the field. And let me tell you
another thing. I think he'll be a special team star,
immediately return guy. Immediately he'll do yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Because he is, like I will say, like for a
guy who's going to urt a receiver, he runs hard. Yeah,
he runs. He reminds me a little bit of Debo
in that way, like he's a receiver, but he's like
gonna square his pads up, he's gonna try and run
you over. And again he's more of a shiftier guy,
but he runs with good pad like he's got a
bunch of goal line runs on tape where he gets
his pad square and like you know, it's able to
find the crease and cramming in there. So I really
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like what I like the thought of him. Again, situation
is really important. Usage is really important. And again, like
you said it kind of a luxury. I think that's
really good. Uh like analysis like kind of a luxury.
Like he's not gonna be your starting running back, not
right away?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, all right, So let's go down to Tennessee
and talk about Dylan Sampson Number Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, he's a lot of people I know really enjoy
watching his film, and he's a guy that I didn't
love on first cut because what I did this for
the running backs. I watched the highlight and then I
went and watched the film, Okay, and I felt like
the film was a lot better than the highlight because again,
when you watch the Tennessee tape, they're in this like
spreadout offense. There's light boxes like you've got to make
they really don't have to make anybody miss because they're
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playing in these soft coverage shells, and you're like, how
good is this? But then you watch the film and
you're like, oh, like, here's a guy running through the
A gap, he makes a miss, he finds the hole.
That's a five yard run. They should have been a
three yard loss. Kind of like that thing I was
talking about with Muddy Runs. I felt like there was
a lot of really good feel for Muddy runs, and
he's got some explosive high home run ability to him.
You know, I think he's okay in pass protection right,
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which is why he's ahead of some of those other guys.
And I do feel like he could project to a
bigger role in an offense, maybe not like maybe not
every down, but definitely like a rotational guy in first down.
Like it's interesting, Like I kind of looking back on it,
I probably should DJ Giddens higher because I think he
could be a starting caliber running back, like be your guy,
So he probably should have been higher. But Dylan Smith,
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I think has that kind of the ability to do
something really explosive but also do the hard stuff. Well,
I just worry about his body size at the next level,
but really like the player, really like very just very
solid film I felt like.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And speaking of his body size, here's the thing that
translates that I'm going to bring up a couple of
times because unfortunately it pops up in this class. He
had four fumbles lost this past season, has a little
bit of trouble holding on to the ball.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I think that's.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Because of his size, and like you were talking about,
he doesn't mind the muddy runs and that you mentioned
this before. Maybe it's a mentality thing with him that
can get kind of cleaned up where it's like take
the yards that are given to you because sometimes fighting
for that extra yard is that extra time for that
and other defender to come and he yanked that ball
out from you. But if he cleans that up, I
agree with you and everything.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Again, you know, we talked about, you know, Basil Tuten's
pass pro or r. J. Harvey's pass pro. Dylan Simpson,
there's times where he looks totally lost in passpor like
lost in passpor And again I was trying to remember
which game was maybe Alabama or Georgia game, right, And
Georgia does some complicated stuff with their pressures, more complicated
stuff than that sm you saw the entire year, right,
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So to compare them is tough. But there's times where
I'm like where your eyes, Like what are you looking at?
And you know, like with Rishard Smith, Basil twon, r J. Harvey,
like they're going to cut you down. They're not the
biggest guys in the world. But I'm talking Dylan Simpson's
like not going to the right guy sometimes. So yeah,
getting that cleared up, I think is going to be
a big deal for him. But really just in terms
of the muddy runs, ability to maximize good contact balance,
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like all those things we talked about. The top good vision.
I feel like he showed me the more film I
watched in a big game against Georgia an NFL running style.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Your number six is probably my favorite.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
He's a fun guy to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
He's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
He's so like, so let's oh no, let's talk about
Cam Skataboo from Arizona State.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I want to get his name in there.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, and the same way that Vishard Smith is like
my favorite because of what he can be like when
you're just watching the film. Cam Skattaboo is a ton
of fun to watch. And he's got great contact balance.
He understands how to break tackles, he knows how to
maximize money runs. He's got very solid vision, he's got
a great feel. He catches the ball well, like really
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does a great job with that stuff. So why don't
you Why is he number six on my list? The
thing I'm worried about is he's not a big frame.
You know, he waged two nineteen one of the heavier backs,
So pretty big guy, right, But he takes so many
impossibly hard shots. I'm like, how long can you do that?
The NFL level? Like I played it with a guy
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here named Robert Kelly, and maybe some fans remember him,
who ran like an absolute maniac, and I just said, man,
I was I remember I went to the Bears right
afterwards and said, man, I really enjoyed playing with Rob
because he runs so hard. And the scout was like, well,
how many years can he do that for? And I
was like, I never really thought of that. And Rob
was out of the league in two years because of
injury related stuff because he just ran so hard. It
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was the same thing with Ivory from you know, New Orleans.
He just when you run like that, when you run
with like seeking that contact, taking those shots, and you
don't have a Derrick Henry, you know, tyle frame, I
just worry like you're going to have him for three
years and it's gonna be like, man, that was awesome
three years, but he's done so again contact balance, like
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watching him against Texas, So Texas they've got Collins, they've
got all these great defensive linemen. They're in the backfield.
He's making guys, he's fine an angles, making guys miss
like literally every run, he's fighting for his life. And
that's cool to see a guy do that. And I
have a lot of respect for him as a player,
but I'm just like, I want a guy, if I'm
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going to take him in the second or third round,
to be a part of me building forward. And if
you run like that. He hasn't had an issue in college.
He's not very injury prone, but it just seems very
unlikely with how our people hit and how well people
tackle the next level.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, he definitely lives off the contact like. I don't
see him ever eliminating that from his game. It's part
of his mentality, it's part of who he is, it's
part of what makes him great. He is a smaller guy. Hey,
look the fumbles are back again. He has ten since
is twenty twenty two season. That's a lot of fumbles.
But it makes sense with the way he runs and
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how it like. But here's the thing, all right, one
draft night, Cam Skataboo is going to go higher than
anyone expects.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
A team is going to fall in love with this.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Guy, and he because of how he plays and because
of what he can do and all the positives that
come with it. And I hear what you're saying about
like the longevity of this, But there are other players
that I've found that play like him that had pretty
solid careers. So when I watched him run, he looks
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like Austin Eckler to me, same size, same type of frame,
same mentality he And here's the thing, man, he has
weird loose hips even though he's not juke anybody. Right,
there's a nice clip where the uh we were able
to get the end zone look like the tight end
zone look from the TV broadcast where he's running straight
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and his feet don't.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Move, they say on the same line, but his.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Hips just shift and a guy just whiffs right, Like
it's that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
That way he can wiggle and run. And then at
the end of that play, he.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Lowers his shoulder and runs a guy over for another
two yards, right, Like that's who he is, and some
team's going to see that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And go whoa, Yeah, I think again, like the stuff
he does is special and the other so worry about
the longevity. And also I worry about his top end
vertical speed. You know, that's something else I worry about too.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I don't know that it matters for him, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But again, like there's times where he's in the open
field and you're like, unhook the trailer man. Let's get running.
And so I think maybe I'll say this is my
own bias as a talent evaluator. I like to be
able to like, this is the bucket you're going in.
You're a scat back, You're an explosive piece. You're a
first and second down back, right, I like to be
able to say that about people. You know, I don't
know what he is at the next level. Is he
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a third down back? Is her first and second down back?
You know, like talking about here in Washington. I think
he'd be a great fit for some of his zone
read stuff because he can maximize muddy looks. But do
you want to be living with him doing that all
the time or is he part of a first and
second down two back rotation, which you're probably fine, But again,
like that's where I get like, you got to save
him from himself a little bit, and he's not gonna
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be playing all the time because of that. So, like,
what's his actually? Is he a good player? Yeah? Absolutely?
Is he fun to watch? Absolutely? Can he catch a football,
maximize money runs, good vision, good contact, bounce. Yes, it
lacks the top end explosiveness, But I worry about role
and that's that's the only concern I have.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
His role over one more thing I'm bringing up not
to be just to be Devil's advocate, I guess a
little bit, but I want to hear your take on this.
Is last year we talked a lot about Jaye and
Daniels and the types of hits he took and the
types of ways he ran. And you're like, man, we
got to clean that up because you cannot do that
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
And he cleaned it.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Up, and like it's competitiveness, and he says, I'm going
to put my body on the line in certain situations where.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
It's needed running back. You can't really do that, right,
So out of him a little bit, or do you
even want to?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Do you want to? I think that's the thing with
him is like I never want to go to Camp
Scataboo and be like, don't do that, because that's what
makes him special. Like he's like a crash test dummy
that like has a million lives and he runs like
a maniac. He's got great balance. And again, his ability
to take a lost run, break a tackle, make a
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guy miss, get you back to two is literally incredible,
Like it's incredible to watch. It's but like I was
watching who they were playing Arizona and he took one
of the hardest hits I've ever seen on like a
four yard game, and I'm just like, god, man, like,
you don't need to be living like that all the time.
But that's who he is and that's why you love him.
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It's just what does that look like? Is that as
who else took that hit? The defender?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, so here's another day. I understand what you're saying.
I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just like,
he's a part of me with like my my jag mentality.
This is dumb, just a guy thinking. Is like sometimes
I sit back and I go, all right, if he
were on a team that I dislike, like the Cowboys,
and we were playing them that week, I would be like,
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I don't like this. And that is something I put
into it, is like I would rather I want this
guy on my team.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I do not want to play against him.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
The other thing I want to say to this, and
I think that's that's a great point is I might
be okay with it because of the lack of explosiveness
in the touches. That's the other thing too, is you're
gonna like there's times where like that he makes a
nice read and he's in space and I want basiltoot
and getting that touch, you know what I mean, because
that's a touchdown. Yeah here, and with him it's a
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it's a sick run. It's a ten yard game. But
I want you know, Brishard Smith, Basil Tuton and r
J Harvey shoot, even DJ Gidden's getting that touch because
that's that could be a Toiles house call, you know,
because of the explosiveness of their game. So that's where
if another team's given him a lot of touches, great,
Like he's gonna run hard, he's going to make it tough.
You're gonna be in a lot of good down and
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distance as an offensive quarter and that's really frustrating. But ultimately,
like he's not going to kill you the way that
some of these other guys. Like what makes Sakuon Barkley special?
What makes uh the guy from Detroit special? The running
back I can't remember his name right now, but you
know what makes yeah gives what makes him special, it's
that home run ability.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
If he goes to the Eagles, Like if that was
a thing, and he's sus like relief, Like I am,
I'm terrified.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
But I think that's the thing. It's like they have
they just they just signed aj Dillon.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, I'm not saying it's going to happen. It's it's
that weird.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I think I'd probably, I think i'd be okay with it,
because again, he's he's gonna run hard, but he's not
gonna it's gonna be death by a thousand cuts, and
teams don't play that way anymore. I mean, Philly maybe does,
but like on the whole, like it's the lack of
explosiveness is a big thing for me too, and plus
the play style, like I just don't know how sustainable
it All.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Right, let's move on the number five for you.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And it's our first running back from Ohio State, which
one is it?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Logan quin Shawn Jenkins from Ohio State. And I was
it was weird. It was weird watching this film. I
was happy with this film, but also a little bit
disappointed with this film. I think I had this expectation
that he was going to be and like so I
kind of broke the backs up into tiers. I thought
he was going to be in that kind of first tier,
fringe first tier the way a couple other guys are.
But he play's physical, he's great in past protection, he's good,
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he's a good blocker, runs hard. He kind of got
this like my ability to accelerate through and into contact
at a high level. Like all this stuff about finishing runs,
the physicality that kind of football players, football player, it's
all there for him. And he's a bigger body frame
than Skataboo, and he understands kind of like when the
fight's over a little bit better than Skataboo, which I appreciate.
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So I liked the player. The thing that stood out
to me is I felt like there were times where
like he's trying to make the right cut but gets
a little bit foot heavy in the hole, and a
gain where he's like going in the right direction could
have been a five six yard gain, is a tackle
for one or a loss of one because of some
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footwork stuff at and around the line of scrimmage. So
I think I like the football player. I like what
he brings. I like his projection a lot too. I
think he could be a really good again one to
two in the NFL because of the physicality that he
plays with, but I think he needs to clean up
some stuff in terms of vision at and around the
line of scrimmage when runs aren't perfectly blocked. I think
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would be the thing.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, he's not overly shifty, yes, right of a runner,
but man, doesn't he have like a silly acceleration through
the hole. I mean when he hits it, it's good,
it's fast, and it's faster than you think it would
be for a guy his size.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
He's like two twenty one and he's not like top
end fast, but again, like he's got this.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It's that burst.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, it's like he's got that. Man, we talked about acceleration. Now,
that's important for a back. He's got that kind of
factor to him. And he's not going to be hitting
a ton of home runs, but he's going to gash
you and hard, and he's big and he's physical, and
I just the only reason I'm not a little bit
higher on him, and there's the guy that's at four
is above him, is I just worry about the vision. Man.
Just it was something that came out. I was like, oh,
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that's just one game. Watch the next game would pop
up A couple of times you're like, man, like that
seems like something that's pretty consistent for him, right, and
everything else is really good. So like I didn't really
know what to do with him, so popped him right
there in the middle instead of like the projection like
what he can be like his kind of attitude and
approach hopefully gets that figured out.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, I think I mentioned this analogy before, or like
how cars run, Like a lot of people get caught
up in the horsepower. It's like, oh man, it's got
great horse power, but there's another thing that's involved.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's the torque.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Torque means how quickly do you get from basically zero
to sixty?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
How fast is that?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
The immediate right off the line, Because you can do
a drag race at a quarter mile and a guy
can beat you off the line and like get way
out ahead of you, but he doesn't have the horsepower
that top speed will catch up and win the race.
He doesn't have that horsepower, right, but he's to beat
you off the line like he's got some torque. All right,
let's move to Caleb Johnson from Iowa. This is your
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number four? Can I say something about him real quick?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
For that?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I want you to go off of.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He runs zone so well, and that's what they asked
him to do all the time. So how do you
take a zone scheme to running back have him so
high because maybe you're not running zone all the time
with him. What did you see with him that says, Okay,
you're doing a lot of zone in college, but you
can fit our scheme even if it's not so.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I think it was just trusting that his vision was
so good. Okay, it's like he just and again it's
a little bit different, but like man, like his feel
was so good, like you know, like, hey, this run
is not blocked well, but I'm gonna I always kind
of find the right hole. I find that because I
didn't honestly like the athletes a little bit mid. For me,
it's like he's run like a high four to five
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at the combine, didn't jump very well. It doesn't pop
off on film in terms of like being super explosive
or twitch you're being able to make people miss. But
but he just he just does it right. You know.
It's like it's like a bunch of singles right like
where I'm hitting the right hole all the time. And
I just was like this is this the floor of
this is so high, right, Yeah, Like if you put
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him as your starting back or like rotational guy in
the NFL, like you're not getting maybe the home run
out of the park shots, but like keep it on schedule.
It's going to keep you on schedule. And again, he
does have enough ability at the second level to make
people miss. He scores a lot of long touchdowns too.
For whatever reason. I'm not sure if he just didn't
test well, it'd be interesting to look at the GPS
stated for him, But I think I think his vision
was so good, like you know, like if we're talking
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like matting rating, it felt like it was just like, oh,
like we were watching I was watching the Nebraska game
and the defensive tackle that we scattered for Nebraska was
killing their offensive guard. But he just was consistent, held
his line, was making these nice cuts, gashing him for
forty here, gash him for twenty here, and I just
was like, this is this is what you This is
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what NFL running is. And maybe that's why I felt
so good about it. Like I was watching an NFL
running back run NFL runs and I was like, the
transfer is like one to one, and I think that's
why I felt so comfortable about it.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
All Right, let's go to the next Ohio state running
back and talking about home run hitters and talking about
drag racing, like this guy is the first fast and
furious movie, that little VW bug that just like took
off or it's just a little Jetta, not the bug,
the little Jetta. But like he doesn't I don't know.
To me, he doesn't look like there's nothing that looks
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special about him. Yeah, he looks just like your average
running back. But he's got that gear.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
He's got the gear. And I think the thing is
like watching him in twenty twenty three, you're kind of
like a visions a little bit whatever, how hard is
he running? And then you watch him in twenty twenty
four and you're like, man like his ability to get
to the right spot in the run, to make someone miss,
to finish a run downhill, like when you compare him
to quin Shawn Jenkins, like I like Dunkins a lot,
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but like there was just a polish and explosiveness and
like a hold your breath factor to his game. And
just when they needed something like here's a screen versus Texas,
here's a big space here's a big run versus Oregon
where I find the right hole and break out. And
he didn't run a fast He didn't he ran a
fast forty. He was like a four to two, a
four to four to two, so not crazy fast, but
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no one catches him, Like, no one catches him, and
you're just like, what's going on here? Like for example
versus Texas, like the corner there at number seven, who
ran a four to three, Like he runs away from him,
and so you're just kind of like, whatever it is.
Like everyone says, oh, like he's the Gibbs of this
year's class, And I think Gibbs, like I loved his
college film. I think he was a little bit different
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than this in terms of explosiveness, acceleration and the and
the numbers at the combine hash that out. But he's
got a little bit of that to him. And I
think he does the other stuff well, like finishing runs,
getting downhill, and he catches the football well out of
the backfield, and he feels like a guy that's going
to be a playmaker for your fence, yeah right away.
And again probably more of a rotational guy. So if
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you're looking for like a starter, maybe Caleb Johnson's more
like your cup of tea, you know, because he's a
bigger guy can take those shots. Maybe even Quichahn Jenkins
is more that guy. But to me, I just thought
the explosive playmaking ability of Henderson was just a tick above,
you know. And like you know, we talked about Brishard
Smiths and Basiltuton and r J. Howvey, they're very in
the same mold. But I felt like the level of competition,
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the consistency that he played with and the other stuff,
the tough runs, the muddy runs, getting to the right
spot in the read was just was just so consistent
with Travon Henderson. Like I don't have a lot of
bad things to say about his film other than that
he's a little bit small in In twenty twenty three,
he didn't do those things, but I kind of looked
at that, look at that as a benefit, Like he
improved in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, he's got better.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
And with the Jamier Gibbs comparison, because I wrote that down,
I'm not I don't.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Think I'm saying he's going to be him.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
It's the role, right, that's what you want. You want
a sonic and knuckles, and he's your sonic if you're
building that, right, So if you are, you have your knuckles,
this guy is going to be your sonic.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
He may not be as good as Jamior Gibbs, he
may not be as exposed good m Gibbs as special. Yeah,
you saw him in person in that Detroit game where
the Commanders beat them to beat Detroit and.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
We saw we saw him with the combine man Ran,
I think it was our four to nine. He's like,
he's got the same yeah, like it's a different speed, right, but.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
He's not that. But the role is I.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Think the role could be very similar. And I think
when you're looking at the running back position, he to
me embodies the evolution of the position of this dynamic
playmaking element back there. And I think that's one of
the reasons why if you look at my running back list,
it's got a lot more value at the in that
type of slot, because I think those guys change games.
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You need that, you need the knuckles, right, but the
sonic is the one that's gonna it's going to change
the way defense is approached.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Stresses M. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, Number two.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Dude, these two guys are really good football players.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
How close are all right?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
So your number one is clearly going to be gent Yeah,
it's every buddies number one.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
There's a reason.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
But it may be closer than people think with these two.
So how close would you say you have them? Were
you like debating at all?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Or are you like I not really, I mean maybe
a little bit. They're really close, Like it's just closer
than people think. Yeah, and I think like because like, oh,
Marion Hampton, I think it's more of a testament to
Marion Hampton than it is a knock against Ashton. All right, great,
because like Ashton Genty is dude like man like everything
you want.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Like, yeah, we'll talk about him in the soccer. So
let's do a Maria and.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Inputs Maryon Hampton, Like, so a Maryon Hampton is big.
He's bigger than I thought he was. He measured at
the combine, bigger than I thought he was. He's got
enough juice to hit a home run. He ran a
four to four to eighth the combine that shows up
on film. He's two twenty one, by the way, catches
the football well and he's got maybe the best contact
balance in the class, like maybe the best contact ballots
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in the class. So that combination of like you're talking
about Scataboo maybe or gent like, but he just got this.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
There's a lot of guys that have it.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Strong lower half. He can break tackles, and he's explosive
for a guy that side. So to see it back
that big that can carry the workload the way he does,
like he's a starting caliber running back in the NFL,
and he has pass game upside and he's got explosive ability.
Like it reminded me of like Eddie George kind of
you know, that big guy that's got that next gear
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that can run you over then hit the gas. I
do think I get a little bit on the fence
about his vision sometimes because he is big. He just
kind of crams it in there sometimes and like moves
the pile and then they'll score it out the other side.
But he's missing the cut. So that's something that I'm
a little bit concerned about. But I thought the other
stuff was so was so good, you know what I mean,
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Like the contact balance, the home run ability, the way
he caught the football, like so he's able to make
people miss like's it was really good film. It was
really good running back film, and like then when I
went through it, it was like definitively like, Okay, these
two are up here. And then there's a little bit
of a step to kind of the next group, which
would be like Trevon Henderson, Caleb Johnson, quinch On Jenkins,
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and then Scataboy and then there was like another step
down just in terms of like quality of prospect.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Hampton is a big guy who runs like a little
guy but isn't afraid to run like a big guy.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Dude. I think that's a great one. I think you
captured the what he is, the dichotomy of what he
is so well there because he can do little guy
stuff and he does it well, but he.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Also is big by the sacrifice of that.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yes, yeah, And so usually you get a guy like
sometimes you get big guys you run small, and he
can do small guy stuff, but he runs with such power,
like he's like his lower half. I'd be interesting to
see him like what he squats and stuff. He's got
like such good balance and his ability to absorb contact
is just different.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
And when you said like he'll hit a hole and
like he's somehow like pout out the other side, like
you spoke to that, I was like, I don't know
how he gets so skinny and those holes. I don't
see it. I can't quite see it. It's just he
hits it. You're like, okay, there's a three are what
it's ten yards? Just kind of like, I don't know
how he does and.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I think it's just he's he seems really really strong,
like a really really strong football player, and it just
felt like a little bit like a man playing with
amongst boys at Carolina. So when he was at North Carolina,
so I really like the prospect. I like him a
lot more so people were like, would you take a
running back of twenty nine? And I kind of was like, no,
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I'm not a first round running back guy, and I'm
not a first round running back guy, but I think
I would take either one of the one of the
top two at that spot.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, he's going. I think he's going to be a
true third down back. Third down back, I mean I
mean three down Yeah, that's what I think, because he could.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Catch the ball, he can run hard, and he can
be ex.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I forget what game it was, but I saw him.
He caught a screen and you're like, he's great vision
to set the screen up. Great catch on the screen,
kind of a weird throw, cut the ball awkwardly and
then breaks a tackle, makes a guy miss, and then
has enough juice to just finish the run. It was
like a sixty yard reception for a touchdown. You know,
he had sixty catches this over sixty catches this last
year in college. Like, yeah, dude, he's uh, he's like
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someone said, Joe Mixon. I think he's a little he plays.
He plays bigger than Joe Mixon to me. And so
like that's where the Eddie George Komp feels a little
bit more real to me.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I like that comp a lot, all right, Boise State,
Ashton Gent He's pretty much to consensus number one.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
You kind of see why, right, Like there's not too.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Much the level of competition. Maybe it would be the
only thing.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
He's a little smaller.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah five and a half yeah, five nine, like a
little bit smaller.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
But what do you wait too? Ten two eleven to
eleven Yeah, so good size for a guy that height.
But so maybe the number one statistic that I look
at with running backs when I'm evaluating them is miss
tackles forced. And he has the highest misstackles force rate
in the history of PFF keeping that metric, it's crazy
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and it's almost a full half point, which is a
significant fifty percent higher than are full twenty five percent
higher than John Robinson who had the highest rate prior
to that. So when you watch the film, like again,
Penn State, everyone gives them, gives them crap about the
Penn State game.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
I don't understand why, dude, you've.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Made everybody miss He took like he took one yard
losses and tournament of five yard games consistently.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
So Penn State one of the best defenses this past year.
All right, Abdul Carter's on that team. He was, he
was a little banged up, but he was out there playing.
They have they have several draftable players on defense on
that team. Who on Boise? Are they keenan one? Do
you think?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah? I mean aston gents, and that's it. Yeah, that's
nobody's sole goal.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
So you have draftable NFL defensive players on the other
line in a great college defense that are saying, you're
the only guy we're trying to stop. And while Boise
lost the game, he still got his he still carried
the ball, He still make guys missed. There weren't those
big explosive things that you see in like the level
of competition. That's probably why his stats were so gaudy
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as some other schools, like.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well could get like when you're playing like a corn
or whatever the hell school is playing, like he makes
the two guys miss and then and then then he's
sitting home run. Yeah for some here, but like it
was to me in some ways, the Penn State game
was like more impressive in the same way like the
Texas game for Camp Scataboo was incredibly impressive. Like there's
no big runs in that game, but we're we're doing
the running back stuff right at a really high level.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
You're giving your team a chance to win, right, and
you know what. They also played Oregon. Yeah, he did
really well against Oregon. Oregon's they're not a Penn State defense,
but they're good a defensive players.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Think about when we did defensive line rankings, they have
defensive tackles that we both like, right, they got an
edge and Birch, who's one of the biggest strongest guys
in the NFL. Like, they have a linebacker who'll be
probably top fifteen in the draft. This year, So like
what do you want from him? Right? Right?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Like he catches the.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Ball, he doesn't, I guess people say I didn't catch
the ball a ton like when they throw it to
him and cut the ball fine, Like.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, he's fine, Yeah, he's fine catching the ball. I
think I think he's better than catching the ball than
people think. I think he hasn't ice hands. The thing
about him is like it's the contact balance. I think
it's elite, right, like better than some of these guys.
You know, you ever watch Jurassic World. You have kids,
you know that, remember when they get in like that
gyro spear where they're rolling out of the dinosaurs just
(50:15):
hitting them And it doesn't matter how hard this dinosaurs
hitting them, it just stays. That's him, Like he's a
small little dude. People are hitting them. He's just well,
I don't care. It's just still going like that. It's
a cop for one thing with him, Like he's kind
of like a minime Le'Veon bell le'vy on bell is better.
But like I feel like he runs kind of like
that patient and then quick bursts.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
I mean it's perfect, like the style.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
And he ran. And I think the other thing too
about him is Le'Veon Bell was good, but like, I've
never seen anybody force misstackles the way this guy forced. Mister. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Absolutely, And it's the stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You're talking about, like it's it's like sometimes they run
you over. But he also has this ability to like
just change the angle. You were talking about it with
J Harvey. R. J Harvey just changed the angle on
just a little bit where the guy misses and then
I'm keeping my balance, like and then I'm able to
accelerate his ability to It's he's a special prospect, man,
And I think you see that. I didn't really get
it until I watched him, but you see why people
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have him as like a top five prospect in the
entire class, and it's because of his ability to elevate
offensive lineman again to make people miss it a way
that nobody prior to this has been able to do.
So I think both these guys are really good. On
Myra Hampton and National Gent. I mean, shoot, I think
all these guys are good. I think they're all going
to play, going to make an impact on NFL roster.
(51:30):
But yeah, I mean the ability to consistently make people
miss was so unique to him, you know, I loved
Jon Robinson film. I loved it, and I thought this
film was better.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Like he's just as smooth.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
It looks just as smooth like that. That's that's a
good way, the smoothness. But just I can make you
miss by juking you. I can make you miss by
changing my angle. I can make you miss through acceleration.
I can make you miss through running you over like
it was it was. There's not a lot of bad
things to say. And I even if if you're one
of criticisms of the Penn Stake, like, I don't really
care because I actually liked that film a lot, you
(52:05):
know what I mean, Like I fumbled once. Maybe that's
why you're upset about it, but it was a good
film to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
So here's here's why I think about this draft class overall,
and that uh, there's this standing now that is kind
of out there where it's running back so.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
You can just get later, so you just don't draft
them high.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
And then you have these blue chippers come along like
a Bijon like Jamior Gibbs, right like, and they go
higher than people anticipate. Maybe not Bijean, but like Gibbs
did when he went to the lines. It was like
a surprise.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I was really high on him. I love Gibbs, and
I was like, no second round place.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
You could get one there. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
When you're drafting a running back or it seems like,
if you're going to draft a running back, if your
team is set to have the star running back, just
take them, even if it's in the first round. And Saquon,
I think, is a great example of this. The Giants
drafted them really high. Saquon's talent was never in doubt,
but they were ready for him to be on that
Giants team. He goes to the Eagles and look what
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happens because they're ready to have that star running back.
So if Genty, Hampton, like these guys go to a
team that is ready, they are going to be stars
right away. And I don't think that there is that
mitigating risk you talk about.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
I think it's gone at that point.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
If you're not set with your offensive line, if you're
not set with your offense, if you don't feel comfortable
and you take Ashton Genty, he's not going to do
anything for you.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, And I think the thing about Ashton Genty, which
makes him maybe unique in this situation compared to Saquan specifically,
is Ashton Genty is like he does his vision, his
ability to find cuts, his ability to maximize money runs
is good. It's like a plus, and sae Quon's was
never there. Right, So maybe you could bring a guy
like this in kind of like Rhys Jones Drew did
(53:51):
when he went to Jackson Jacksonville, right, and make your
offensive line better because they're so good at the running
back stuff.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
I'm not saying he's not going to elevate, but what I'm.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Saying it's like it that's it's just a different kind
of prospect, but it's your analysis one hundred percent sound.
I'm just saying like he's even more unique than that
because of this other stuff that he does so well.
So I could see a team and like we'll shoot well,
we think like Las Vegas for example, like our offensive
line is not great, but he's so good at what
he does that we might not be getting peak Ashton
(54:21):
Genty the way that Philly got the peak Peace Stateman Barkley,
but he's going to make us better this year because
of his talent.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Well, let me say to that that's perfectly fine. Like
a team can do that, but have a plan for.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Him, right, that's the thing plan for all these guys really, right.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, But like if you're going to take gent now
and it's like blue Chipper, we want him on our team.
He's going to elevate us, then you need to say, also,
I'm committed to making this line better immediately, whether it's
next year or the year after, Like I'm going to
focus on that to maximize what we have here, because
you'll run into a situation that we see I think
quite often, and is why the conversation is, we'll just
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take a later round running back because later around running
backs can perform very well with good offensive line. But
a special running back with a good offensive line, that's
where the magic acts.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
So yeah, and I think we're just talking about it,
like DJ Gidden's a good football player. Is he going
to make your team better?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
If you have a good offensive line and you draft him,
he's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
He's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
But if you have a bad offensive line you draft him,
he's going to struggle. But they all will. Right, It's
like again, gent Hampton. They may elevate it a little
bit and have good seasons.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
But that's why they're in a different tier than the
exactly right. Yeah, and that was fun.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Run running backs was great.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Running backs is fun, and it was fun because they're good,
like they're good players, you know what I mean. And
again it's kind of like what flavor ice cream you're
looking for? You looking for the big guy, looking for
the small guy. And we'll say there's not a bunch
of really great power runners this year, but in terms
of guys that can elevate your offense and make plays,
it's an exciting class.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
And for our Commanders fans, there are a lot of
running backs here, a lot of them that if they
come here with what Cliff has going, I think that's
Jaden and what you already have in that room with
b Robin Eckler and McNicol, right, Like with those guys
in there, adding a young piece that compliments with what
they're trying to do or adds another stress to the
(56:08):
defenses we're playing, I think I think there are a
lot of guys here that could be big impacts in Washington.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, shoot, like even a guy like
Jordan James from Oregan, you know his ability to like
he's like he's not going to test grade. He's not
gonna run anybody over, but like he's just a good back. Yeah,
And like that's a guy that you can get in
the third, fourth, fifth round and just be like, oh, Okay,
this guy's going to be a starting rotational piece for
me as a fifth round pick. Or like cal Mullings
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from Michigan, Like he's a guy that played linebacker at Michigan,
converted late in his career, big heavy dude that gets
downhill and is still learning how to run because he
played linebacker. But yep, those are good football players, man. Absolutely,
we're excited.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah, this is great running back classes.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
I think this is going to be a really good
class at the end of at the end of it all,
like when we look back in three years, I think
we're going to say there were I'm not saying there
is a bunch of superstars in it, but there are
going to be a lot of solid players in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
It's like when Fred and Santana talk about their draft
class and they're like, this guy in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
Risk, Yeah, that was a crazy draft two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah. I don't know when yeah when I think, but anyway,
but that's going to do it. For today's show on
running back and please make sure you like it subscribing.
You know, if there's a running back we missed, throw
it in the comment. Maybe that's what we're doing now.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Are running backs we miss? For sure, there's a lot
of good ones.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
But like one of the things I was thinking about
because of this other show I did, if there's a
guy you want us to talk about, leave it in
the comments.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
Put it in there because we're getting to a point.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Now where we're done ranking positions and we'll kind of
go through maybe a fan, a fan selected position guy
or group of guys and we can talk about.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
All these Yeah, give us give us your fans. We
collected ten of them. We'll talk about the fan the
fan top ten.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
I don't know that was bad, well whatever.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Whatever, but that's going to do it for today's show.
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