TOP 10: Offensive Linemen in the 2025 NFL Draft | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders | NFL

Logan Pauslen gives his Top 10 OL Prospects in the upcoming NFL Draft + JAG Jason throws out some extra names that could be hidden gems in the later rounds of the draft. 

 

Emery Jones Jr. (9:30)
Aireontae Ersery (12:00)
Jalen Travis (16:30)
Tyler Booker (18:40)
Anthony Belton (21:15)
Josh Connelly Jr. (25:15)
Armand Membou (27:45)
Kelvin Banks Jr. (30:55)
Josh Simmons (34:40)
Will Campbell (38:25)

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode a Ticke of the Draft podcast, we
talk oh Line, the big Nasties, day, got Ben burst, kicksteps,
heavy hands, We go from ten to one my list
of offensive linemen as it stands right now, and then
for all you crazy draft nerds out there, the guys
that can't get enough, we throw out an extra ten names,
the guys you should keep an eye on. That all

(00:20):
starts right now. Welcome into Ticke of the Draft Podcast.
I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic guy Jason and as
always I'm so excited to be talking football with my
guy here. But make sure we want this to be
a collaborative experience on the podcast, so make sure you're
dropping comments, leaving suggestions. We need to fill the content.

(00:43):
If there's a name of a player you want to
hear about, we want to make that happen for you
because today we're doing offensive line review and we are
just gonna throw a lot of names. We watch a
lot of film and kind of give you our thoughts
on this group, but we want your feedback on this
and if there's someone we left out, please let us know.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, and it's the Monday after the Super Bowl. We
learned anything from watching that game building the trenches, right,
So it's offensive line time. And like you said, I
think the goal from what we're trying to do in
these podcasts is not just do a top ten list.
We're going to do a top ten list, but not
just do that a lot of other pods. Do you
that we want to give as many names as possible,
including later round guys.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, percent, because I do think there's this thing that
happens with fans every time I talk draft with anybody
that's not like really in it, and it's like, oh, yeah,
I heard about player X, and it's like, oh, we
got a draft player X. If we don't draft player X,
there's no other good football players in the draft. It's like,
I understand why you think that every national pundit's mocking
this player here, but in actuality, there's a lot of
good football players like Brandon Coleman last year. Was he

(01:41):
on anybody's bingo card to get drafted here to play
left tackle for you? Probably not, But I think it
just shows you that these guys that do this professionally
are locked in. So our goal is to kind of
again give you our top ten lists and we'll tell
you why they're in our top ten, but also just
give you some other names of guys that we think
are really good football players. And if by some miracle
they ended up landing here as a developmental swing tackle,
swing interior player, they'd be a really good, really good

(02:03):
additions to the culture here at Washington.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, when we talk about top ten, especially with offensive line,
a lot of those guys are going to be your tackles,
and that's a premium position, so they're going to go.
So if we talk about, oh, well here are the
top ten tackles, they may be gone in the first
two rounds. So what are we looking at when we
as a fan of the Commanders when you get into
the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round, Well, we're
going to try and give you some names guys that

(02:26):
may be around in that area. So let me start here.
I want to ask you, when you're looking at offensive line,
what are some traits that you're looking for. And as
we go in, you may say a couple of terms
that relate to offensive line and scouting and an evaluation.
I'm going to ask you to just double click on
them and explain those terms. So when you say them.
As we go through and we talk about these guys,

(02:47):
there's a general understanding what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, I think that's a good course of action. So
for me, I think with offensive line, we've talked about
the anchor, We've talked about the hands. I think the
other one is just foot speed and just general athletics.
Some people don't really understand that because I think they
think of athleticism as like how high you can jump,
how fast you can run, and the athleticism for offensive
lineman is much different than I think people kind of

(03:10):
intuitively realize. There's like a balance element, right, there's a strength,
a push and understanding of when the guy's trying to
pull the chair out from underneath you, right, he's given
you pressure and then he kind of goes to snap
you down and you're able to kind of get your
feet under you, get hips under you, and kind of
keep your feet and be balanced. And so you know,
if an offensive lineman's on the ground a lot, that
tends to be a red flag for me. So yeah,

(03:32):
that general kind of off. I'm gonna give it like
air quotes like offensive line athleticism, which will kind of
delve into more with each of these players, it becomes
a thing that is important. And then the anchor and
the strength, and that's something that this year I think
I had a really hard time with because there are
some really tremendous athletes at the position. Guys are just like, Wow,
I love the way this guy moves, I love how

(03:52):
this guy handles stuff. Like, for example, Marcus Imbau from Purdue,
Oh my gosh, Like I love his feet, I love
his angles, Like he's got decent and play strength. But
then when you watch them go against larger players, he
just lacks that ability to just sit down and like
take a bowl and be really aggressive because the only
way is like two three hundred pounds, you know, And
I know that seems like a huge man, but for

(04:12):
an offensive lineman, it's a touch on the undersize side,
especially if you're playing tackle. So there are a bunch
of guys like that. We'll talk about them when we
get there, but just that combination is so important this
year because in last year's I was thinking about last
years draft class, like all those guys we did, the
top fifteen guys, I was like, man, you're going to
be solid pros, Like you've got the frame you've got
the length, you've got the physicality, you've got the mindset.

(04:34):
And this year it's much different going through the prospects,
especially the top end guys. The top ten guys were
much different this year.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
So let me double click on a couple of terms
that you use. First, one is anchor. When you're talking
about anchor, like in my mind, I think to myself,
all that means I can stand my ground is that the.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I think that's that's a good point. Right, That's that's
like a pretty well articulated viewpoint on that right. It's
just like your ability win a guy. So in pass
pro right, I'm going to kick back. I'm going to
get on the on the pass protection line, so the
line between me and the quarterback, and on that line,
three things can happen. One an inside move. Can I
adjust back with the inside move? That's athleticism. Can I
kick vertically that's another athleticism, trade with footwork right and technique.

(05:13):
And then there's one where the dude just runs right
down the middle of your face. And it is one
of the hardest things to do in sports. Like I
know people talking about dB being very hard. It is
very hard. But that three solution problem there is extremely
hard to deal with. So can when that guy does that,
can you sink your hips? And now, so what you
want to see is a dude that can bend at
the knees, drop his hips with a relatively straight back,

(05:35):
and kind of get his hat below the defender's hat
to de leverage that guy to take away his mechanical advantage,
sit down, and then kind of lift him up as
you're absorbing his momentum. It's extremely challenging to do. Like
I think back to my career in past protection, that
was one of the hardest things for me to do
because you're in this kind of athletic basketball posture and

(05:55):
then all of a sudden you get this forceful interaction
and it's like, can you just intuitively getting that position
to stop yourself? So that's a huge one for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And when you talk about hands right, like heavy hands,
using hands a punch, like, what are those aspects that
you're looking for and how does an offensive alignment use
those correctly?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
So I think that's another great question. So one, there's
the technical element right where it's like I want my
elbows to be tight, I want to kind of be
in my lats when I punch, like you think about
like when you're doing the bench press, right, some people
get their elbows really wide, almost like they got wings,
you know, not very strong in that position. You want
those guys to have that nice tucked elbow posture. I'm
punching through my tricep to the chest. I've got good strength.

(06:37):
I'm connected to my midsection, connected to my corer.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
You're using more of your muscles, more of.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
My body, right. And there are a couple of guys
in here that I think are really special football players.
They have a really hard time with that, and it
makes me worried, like they've developed other ways around that.
But that's such a big part of it. So then
when I contact you with my hands, is it a
violent interaction? Right? Because there are dudes that I've played with,
like Trent Williams is a great example, Tyron Smith is
a great example. When they punch you, the momentum of

(07:03):
the rusher just dies. Right. It's such a valuable weapon
in the pass protection game because it allows you to
make the first interaction, the first punch, the first consequence
of that of the of the relationship to the pass rusher.
So if you can get that done. It's extremely advantageous.
So that's one where it's like, hands are huge. Now,
it's not fatal like you see certain guys like Orlando

(07:24):
Brown's a great example is he's got really bad hands,
but he's so damn big he can get away with it.
A lot of these guys in this class, there's no one.
I don't think. Maybe one guy big enough to get
it done. We're gonna talk about him in a minute.
But like, that's a huge element of great pass protection,
a great offensive line play.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
And then when it comes to the run game, we're
gonna say the second level a lot. Yes, So what
do we mean by the second level when it comes
to an offensive line?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
So obviously the first level is the defensive line. Right,
Your defensive tackles, defensive ends, people on the line of scrimmage,
and those interactions are important, right, you got to be
it's a different type of strength. But I'll be damned, man,
if the best offensive line in the NFL, they can
track a linebacker, they can track a safety, they can
take a good angle, they know where their hats should go,
where the runch should be insulated, and they are athletic

(08:08):
enough and quick enough to get to that spot. And
so that tracking at the second level to me is
one of those like huge things where I don't care
how good you are. I care how good you are
at litic scrimmage, and certain offenses will care more about that,
but I want to see how you track at the
second level basically a general athleticism.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, and all right, so let's get into your top
ten offensive lineman with all those kind of in mine,
all those term clarifications and what you're looking for for
offensive linment. So we're going to go ten to one.
That's how you do it in the biziness call a tease.
So number ten offensive lineman for you.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Is Emery Jones from LSU. And he's a really interesting
guy to watch because I started watching LSU film thinking about,
you know, Will Campbell, the other guy from LSU, and
he was and he plays right tackle for LSU, and
I just was kind of blown away. I think he's
got really good length. He's got thirty four and three
four three fourth inch arms, so basically thirty five inch arms,

(09:03):
which is great arm length. He's got great kind of
tenacity and competitive toughness, and he does he's got good technique,
so he understands when to punch, when to strike. He's
got a decent anchor, right. The thing we just talked about,
his ability to absorb contact and then recover off of
contact is very, very high. I think, you know, people say, well,
Logan sounds that you like him, and I do like him.

(09:23):
If he was a Washington commander, I'd be like, awesome.
The problem with him is that his foot speed is
a little bit slow. So like when you look at
those athleticism traits, like his ability to kick, his ability
to slide, his ability to mirror those defenders not great.
At the Senior Bowl in the one on ones, you see
him struggle with that a little bit. He has some
really good reps but struggles a little bit. His his
forever home might be a guard you know what I mean.

(09:44):
And again, that would be fantastic, That'd be totally awesome.
But those are some thoughts I have on him where
it's like I love the competitiveness, like watching with the
Senior Bowl, watching him yell at the defensive lineman, really
like kind of just be a dog, you know, tough,
He's gonna finish runs. He's kind of guy's heads in
the dirt when he's at lsu versus text saying that
like there's Arkansas. Exe's me like, yeah, this is what

(10:05):
I want. But is the athlete good enough to get
you where you want to go? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I mean the word I wrote down is he just
mauls a run game, right. He's he's very aggressive and
he loves to push guys around, has a great frame
to do it and decent hands, I would say, with
punching off the line, powerful eggs and things like that.
But to me, I saw the same thing you did
with my just a guy eyes where like his feet
were not all that great in pass, pro tending to

(10:32):
lose balance every now.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
And and for those And I'm glad you said just
a guy there because one of the things, it's like,
there's a they're big men, you want them to be
light on the feet, and the light feet is so important.
It's it's it's it's this great contradiction. And there's a
guy that I have at number one that I didn't
want to put there, but he has this quality at
a really high level and that's why he's there. And

(10:53):
Emory Jones just a little heavy on the feet right,
just to touch heavy and it again I think he's
going to be a good pro. And that's why ten
on my list. He's gonna be a great pro. I
think I could see him getting high like in the third,
like early third, late second kind of range. Like really
a good football player, but a guy that again, the
heaviness is something that really is. It kind of puts
you off in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean his but but here's the thing about him.
His business is getting nasty in the run game, and
for him, business is a booming.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
He does a great point and he does it really well.
He just got that dog. He's just like when you
watch guys, there are certain guys you say, this guy
could be a commander. I feel that way about him
because he's just a tough bastard, you know what I mean.
He's just tough. He just likes to get out for people.
He likes a little bit extra. He's smart football player.
You can tell they're well coached. LSU so I got
a lot of respect for his game.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
All right, who's number nine for you?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
So? Ariante ursrie from Minnesota, and I think a lot
of people would be surprised by this. I think they say, oh, Logan,
that's a little low given all of the pre draft
hype around him. He's six five and three quarters almost
sixty six. He's three hundred and thirty nine pounds, big
old hoss. He's got thirty four inch arms, and I
love him in pass protection. I think he's got a
really good feel. He's got nice light feet. You know,

(12:04):
he got a great kickstep, so his ability to kind
of take that first kickstep, get some depth off the
line of scrimmage, getting good relationship to the rusher is
really excellent. And he's got a great feel for a
wind to punch, win to throw hands. He has a
great battle in Penn State, Minnesota versus Penn State versus
Abdul Carter where you see what makes Abdul Carter special.
But you also see a great feel in pass protection

(12:26):
by ari On tier Street. The thing that gets me
about him is all the lightness, all the dexterity that
you see in pass protection just kind of evaporates in
the run game. He has a really hard time tracking
people at the second level. He bends at the waste
a lot and so wastebender knee benders. I think a
term here thrown around with offensive line a lot knee
bender means I can keep a little bit more upright,

(12:47):
torso I can be a little bit more balanced. That's
another word. So in pass protection, very balanced. In the
run game not very balanced. Does he blow people up, Absolutely,
just it's he's on the ground more than you want.
In the run game, he's a big dude. It's tight hips,
so he's kind of bending forward, you know, kind of
folding himself forward, and I think that really hurts him.
So again, the pass protections the reason he's on here

(13:09):
because in the NFL you got to pass protect. The
run game stuff is where I'm like, ah, there's probably
better guys. They do it more dynamically than you.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, this is another guy, though, that has that aggressiveness.
You can tell he's got that. He likes it, that fire. Yeah,
he likes the contact. He likes getting in there messing
around with some people. So but I did also notice
that he has a tough time getting to that second level.
And I'm wondering, is is that the athleticism you're talking
about that maybe is failing him there a little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, there's again when we get to the top of
this list, like the reason the guys are at the
top of the list is because of their ability to
work and be effective in space. And that's again that
sounds like a contradiction. But think about the best offensive
line in football, like think about your Pin Souls, your
Trisian War. I sure Trent Williams, they're big and nasty,

(13:57):
they can pass Project Atlanta scrimmage, but the next step
to me is the ability to move in space. And
I think when you look at him, that's a limitation
and it's a lack. And again it's weird to me.
And so I'm hoping that it's coaching, and I hope
this is where like if we were scouts, we go
to the school, we talk to the aligned coach about
how they're coaching certain techniques, certain approaches to the second level,
and maybe that would clear some stuff up for us.

(14:17):
But it just it's it's it's it's drastic again, Like
he does a great job like on a like on
a like a power a duo double team, getting vertical,
knocking a guy off when the linebacker runs into him.
He eats that guy up and throws them on the ground.
Let's say it's an outside zone or a screen. It's
like there's no way he's getting there, and that's that's
a pretty drastic departure from some of the other guys
on the list.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, and you're saying that these are things that maybe
can be cleaned up at the NFL level. Is that
why there's still like a top ten guys because you
see something there and you're like, oh, maybe we could
coach this, maybe can grow into it.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean, you said this on our first podcast with
offensive lineman, Like he's six five and three quarters, he's
three hundred and thirty nine pounds.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
You can't teach it.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
He's got thirty four inch arms, and he's got a
great a great feel. I can't over state a great
feel in pass protection. So I'm gonna I'm gonna take
a long look at that guy. You know, maybe he
doesn't do stretches before. Maybe the knee braces are too tight,
maybe the ankle tape is too tight, Like, maybe there's
something going on here that we can clean up. Because again,
there's only a couple of dudes that walk around like
that that are just absolutely units. And again, if he

(15:17):
was just a big dude, that's one thing. If the
pass protection is excellent, like, let me make that clear.
The pass protection is awesome. So like that's where it's
like he has this thing he does really well. Can
we get him to figure out the right I go
back to Orlando Brown. Orlando Brown is terrible in the
run game, but he's got a good feel for pass
pro right, and he's played for ten years in the NFL.
Like there's a reason guys have in stock for or

(15:40):
No uh whitworth when he was with LA bad in
the run game, but he's such a good pass protector,
Like you can play a long time with that background.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, and if you find an offensive lineman that does
everything well already before you come in, that's that's your
number one pick.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's why Joe the first guy's taken.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Right, So, like all these guys are going to have
little things, but that isn't that isn't to say that
they can't Yeah, growing that right. I just wanted to
make that clear because when we talk negatively about them,
or not negatively, but it's like here's something you need
to work on or that we don't quite see it,
that doesn't mean that they can't be a great pro
all right. So that moves us to number eight.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Do you have here? Yeah? So I got Jalen Travis
from Iowa State. He's six seven and five eights, three
hundred and forty one pounds, got ten in one quarter
inch hands, got thirty four and a half inch arm.
So kind of going back to what we just talked about,
there's only he's one of one in this draft. He
is a massive human being. Went to Princeton, started his
college career, but Princeton transferred to Iowa State. So I

(16:37):
think still kind of learning top flight football, but has
a great feeling. Pass pro uses his length exceptionally well,
uses his frame at a high level. It's funny. When
I first watched him, I thought he was too stiff,
but then it's just watching more film, familiar familiarizing yourself
with guys and all the things that he that I
think Ariante struggles with in the run game, he's a

(16:58):
little bit better at right he can track to the
second level a little bit better. He's got a good
feel for cutoffs, he can move people off the spot. Again,
little stiff in the upper back, but the length, the size,
the athlete is there, and if you were to get
him in the right situation with the right coach man,
I think he has a very, very high ceiling.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
So why is he I mean, I'm sure you're like
picking nts when you're between what is it nine and eight?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
So why is he it?

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Win?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Arianta, ari Yes Ursery right from Minnesota, when he's so
good at pass bro, Why is Jalen Travis just one
step up?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I think it just it was a more fleshed out game,
you know, like this, Like the tracking at the second
level was a little bit better. The run game stuff
was a little bit better. The bend that we talked
about that I don't know if we talked about that
in our last show, but like his ability to kind
of bend his knees and sink his hips from not
be a wastebender was better.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's tough as a big guy.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
It's tough as a big guy. And so when you
see that stuff, you're like, Okay, this works for me, right,
this this this plays and I see a very clear path,
and I see a very high floor because of the athlete,
and I see a very high ceiling because of the measurables.
And so that's where it's like I like him a lot,
I think, And again we talked about tackles. I think
Ariante and Travis are both tackles. I think Arian might

(18:19):
let me take that back Ersery could potentially play guard
because of the lack of like true athleticism. But I
think Jalen Travis is like one of the only guys
in this draft in my opinion that's like a tackle.
So that's why he's all true true tackle, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Okay, number seven. Then we got Alabama on the board here.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, this is our first like true interior player. Tyler
Booker from Alabama. He's probably and again you know, we're
gonna talk about grays Abel here in a second, Like
they're probably my number one guard, so I wanted to
have a true guard on here. So it's either was
between him and Grey's Abel, and Gray's Abel had an
excellent senior Bowl. He moves well, he's his film's fun
to watch. He's nasty. He played left tackle at North

(18:58):
Akota State. But Tyler Booker is just he's more NFL ready.
I guess he's sixty six, he's three point thirty. He's
a big old hots, he's got long arms, he's got
relatively quick feet, and it's just like the floor for
that player just seems like sky high. Like he's coming
in day one. Just a safe bet, get on base

(19:19):
kind of pick, like is Grey's Abel maybe better long
term because the athleticism, sure, but the size, the movement
skills for a man that big, the tenacity in the
run game, the pass protection field, the length, right, he's
got big old mits, he gets some on people. He
just there's something about that floor like he's gonna be
Is he for everybody? No, because I don't think he's
going to play well in an outside zone only system, right,

(19:41):
whereas Grey's Abel would wright he'd be excellent in that role.
But I just think the size, the strength, the ability
to pull, which is hard for big dudes, the ability
to bend, it's all all those things you want to
check our there. I don't think he's got the lightest defeat,
but he's a guard, so he can have those heavier feet.
We don't need to worry about the space play quite
as much. We can set up firm pocket and so
that's why he's he's number seven on my list.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Why does a guard not need to worry so much?
Is it because he's insulated?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah? I mean the guy's like, you know, you can
reach out and touch the guy you're blocking. Most of
the time, right, And again you need to have some
movement skills, no doubt. But there are a couple of
guards that are just big bodies in there. They have help,
they have, you know, help on the end from the center,
they have help from the tackle, just from body presence
and as long as like so, I think about Cyrus
Torrents from Florida last year, I didn't think he moved

(20:27):
that well like laterally, but again he's been a pretty
solid pro with Buffalo just because he's big, gets his
hands on you, he can mirror enough, and he can
get to the second level. And I think all of
those boxes are checked. And I actually think it's a
little bit better technically from Tyler Booker. And I think
that's why again he's you know, Gray's Abel Tyler Booker.
I just think I thought Tyler Booker had a floor.

(20:48):
That's why he's on my list.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
All right, our next guy here at number six, I'm
going to say a couple of things real quick, and
I'm going to guess why you like him.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, and you know I texted you about seven times.
I've switched him all over the place.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
But I'm gonna guess why you like If he was
a standout for you at the Senior Bowl if you
listen to our coverage on that. If not, you can
go back and listen to it. But he's a huge, huge,
be strong and aggressive and has comical power.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, it's I mean, we're.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Talking about the NC State stand out here, Anthony Bent.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Anthony Benton. That's exactly right. So he's huge, sixty five
and three eighths, big guy, three forty five, that's probably
three point fifty three fifty five. He's got ten and
a quarter in chance, he's got thirty four and five
inchents arms, and he is explosives all outdoors, which is
weird to talk about for a big guy, like when
you see him like so, for example, let's say I'm
past that he plays left tack of frensis state, I'm

(21:41):
past setting the left defensive end he drops out in coverage.
His ability to snap down and just obliterate people like
the three technique that's looping out and just stone that
man is incredible. He can get to the second level,
he can get out on screens. He's got tremendous snap
and power in his hands, and he's got these lovely

(22:02):
light ballerina feet and you're just like, if there was
a guy and we're gonna talk about what I don't
like about him in a second, but just from a
body movement standpoint, he's my number one guy. Like just
if you were like, everything checks out across the board, right, Hey,
he's a good dude, he works hard, all those different things. Right,
he's probably one of my definitely top three. Right. Yeah,

(22:26):
there are some things that I worry about with him,
but physically, it's like, if I'm a coach, like, that's
the one I want. I want the guy who's big,
who's got the natural snap, who's got the length, who's
got this ability to like watching him track a linebacker
on the second level, you're like that shouldn't be possible,
and that's what you want to be feeling when you
watch a really high power offensive lineman. But he's number
six on my list.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
So yeah, how did he do at the Senior Bowl team?

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I thought he did really well. It's funny, so I went.
I thought the Senior World practices he was excellent. Like
in the team drills, he was excellent. His physicality was awesome,
probably the most physical guy there as far as offensive lineman.
His ability to mirror and match with like Mike Green
and you know Osriiki from Boston College was really juiced
up edge rushers was awesome. He had great power. And

(23:11):
then I watched the Senior Bowl game last night at
one in the morning, and I was like, he looks
a little bit off, and I wonder if this is
the thing that kind of separates him from the rest
of the guys, is his highs are there's no higher highs.
Like he's tremendous, like his ability to track and get
on people and block people and get him on the
ground and finish and get that big belly moving all

(23:32):
that stuff. But there are also plays where you're like,
are you taking this playoff? Or are you super locked
in mentally, Like a lot of penalties, a lot of
false starts. I think he had a last year, not
as many as someone else we're going to talk about
here in a minute, but like he's a guy that
I wonder if you interview him, what that interview sounds like,
what it feels like in there, like if you love ball,

(23:54):
if he's locked in. He reminds me, I think I
said this to you. He reminds me of Tyler Smith
from Dallas when I watched Smith's tape, the explosiveness, the
movement skills were off the charts right, and every team
ended up liking him right before the draft happened because
the interviews went well. If he interviews well, like, I
think he could be like a bottom of the first
round type guy top of the second because he's just

(24:15):
a freak, you know what I mean. Yeah, but a
lot's got to go right for him.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So well, speaking of Senior Bowl, our next guy here
on the list, number five is Josh Connelly, junior from Oregon.
And here's the thing I'm gonna start with this. Okay,
he was on the negative end of.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
A viral video of one viral video, right, a.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
One viral video with Mike Green. This is this is
who Mike Green just bowled right over. And in that clip,
if you don't look at Mike Green and you look
at Connelly, his feet weren't set. Immediately got run over
because his feet were off the ground. So you're gonna
get pushed over when you have those set. It wasn't
right like out of the gate. He didn't set right,

(24:52):
which allowed him to get just bowled over. And I
think this is not to take anything away from Mike Green.
I think anybody on the other end would have pushed
him over because it was just yeah, it was just
like yeah, and us being there, we saw that, and
they immediately ran it back because I think Connley was like,
wait a minute, tripped, something happened that this isn't how

(25:13):
it should be. Any He did okay on the next
tip against Mike Green. So I want I want people
to know that one video that you see from this
Senior Bowl where he it wasn't his best performance, doesn't
mean this guy is not number five on your all
your offensive lineers. He's a good player.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Logan Toll me, what, Yeah, Well, first off, I think
he's a true tackle, right, and I think he's a
little undersized, which is why you get that bull reaction, right,
that physicality, the bull kind of knocking him over, Yeah,
which is something I am worried about. When you just
watch him at Oregon, when you watch the Senior Bowl game,
he's just so consistent. He's got thirty four in charms,
he's got the length, he's got the hight. He's six
five of six four excuse me, six y four and

(25:51):
one eighth. He moves well, he's he's the athlete we're
talking about. He tracks well at the second level. He's
incredibly solid. He's so so solid. Right, he is almost
the antithesis of Anthony Belton, right, Like Anthony Belton is like,
oh this is great. Look at this dude. Smash this guy, right, Like,
if you want the guy blocked like our guy Connor,
he's gonna get it done. He's gonna He's got a

(26:13):
great consistent pass set. Again, he has his anchors a
little bit lacking. That's the thing that makes me a
little bit worried. I do look at him. I think
you could probably gain fifteen pounds and be totally fine.
But watching him pull like on transportation, like where you're
getting the down blocked by the tight end and he's
pulling on the perimeter. He moves like a deer. He
can track guys in space like. He's got a great
vertical set off the line of scrimmage, he's got a
jump set, He's got multiple things in the bag. So

(26:34):
when I look at him, I'm like your first round player,
you know what I mean? Or low first round I
second round type of player. So Flora's high. He just
does the right things, and I think there's some physical
some physicality to develop in his game. But if they
if they were, like if Washington walked up there with
the twenty ninth pick and said, oh, Connorly, I'd be like, awesome, nice, amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yep. And here's the thing. He played against Abdua Carter.
This year, he's going to be a top five maybe
like the best edge rusher in this class easily.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Pretty good, pretty good day.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm saying this is impressive. So he has tape against
NFL level.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
If you watch his game film, it's good. It's like
objectively good. That's why we're talking about him. And so
for all of us kind of draft nuts out there,
it's like one clip against Mike Green does not a
bad good and does not it does not a does
not a bad career make So for him, I'm like,
this is awesome, great job. Like I think he's going

(27:35):
to be a heck of a heck of a pro
player again if you can get a little bit bigger,
a little bit stronger. But that happens every year. Guys
get bigger, stronger when they get to the NFL. They
get around NFL competition. Number four. Number four is I'm
on Menbou from Missouri. He's sixty three and three quarters.
He's three hundred and thirty two pounds, he's got thirty
three and one eighth inch arms, and he is a
really fun guy to watch because he just he can

(27:57):
do everything kind of He plays right for Missouri and
moves well, can kick vertically decent length, uses his length well.
You can tell he's really strong, Like when he lays
his hands on people, they just stop. It's like a
jolt of electricity through their body. I think he's probably
a guard. Actually I don't think so. He's probably a

(28:18):
guard at the next level or an interior player of
some kind. But he moves well, great physicality, good ben
kind of natural like like leverages because he's a little
bit shorter. He's six y three, right, so not the
tallest guy in the whole world. He's three hundred and
thirty pounds. He doesn't move like that. He just he's
got the again for a guy that weighs that much.
The snap in his hands is awesome. The way he

(28:40):
uses his length is awesome. He can mirror people in space,
which is great, and he's athletic enough to get out
and cover people up. So he I mean I thought
about putting him above Kevin Banks Junior, the guy from Texas,
but I again, I value tackles and I think Kevin
Banks could play tackle. I think Membo is a straight guard.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
So here's the thing. Tell me if you saw all
this as well with him, It's just it's just something
that stuck out to me when watching. He's a little inconsistent. Yeah,
he'll have a great play and it's like, oh, excellent technique,
good use of hands, and then the very next play lazy, right,
And so there's something there that's like, I don't know
what lazy is the wrong term. I'm not calling him lazy.
I'm saying his hand movement was a little slow, So like,

(29:20):
what what do you think's going on there?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
He would have been fun to watch at the Senior
Bowl because I do think the Missouri offense is a
little bit it encourages that a little bit. And what
I mean by that is they'll give him like a
hard rep where he's like pass protection or he's cutting
somebody off on the back side, and then it'll have
like a draw or a screen or a on the
backside of a screen, or like a keeper where he's
kind of just like mosing down the line of scrimmage.

(29:41):
Like I felt like I had to watch almost double
the amount of tape with him just to get a
feel for like how hard, how good he was at
the hard stuff, and like when he's taking plays off
on like those quote unquote easy reps. So I definitely
saw some of that and it was something you had
to negotiate. But I just had to watch more of them,
you know, and to get to get a vibe. But
they athlete, the mover, the strength is all things you

(30:02):
want there. And again this is where I go back to,
like the interview stuff is so important. It's so incredibly
important because if the dude likes football, like loves football,
he's passionate about he's locked in. He knows the checks.
That's the other thing about like our guy Anthony Belton,
Like sometimes you watch him and he's and there's like
a guy walked up in the A gap and he's
like tapping the guard incessantly because he doesn't know who

(30:23):
to block. You just tell right, yeah, membo, you can
tell he's smart. He kind of gets it. But that's
where the interview process and like understanding who this person
is is so incredibly important because like we can be like, hey,
you know, why are we taking plays off or what's
going on here a little inconsistent and he can give
you an answer, or we can talk to his old
line coach and he can give us something to talk about.
So I think that's where I'm like, again, I see

(30:44):
what you're saying, but I think the body and the
good is very very good.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Number three, the guy you just mentioned, So it's not
really a tease anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Kelvin Banks, Junior from Texas. This one was hard for me. Man,
have you watched him? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I have, so let me uh, here's here's something that
I thought was interesting about him. I don't think I'm
like I've tapped into something interesting like unique here. I
don't know. I could be completely wrong about this. He
stares at who he's about the block is what he's
about to do, which bothered the heck out of me.
And I can't tell you why. But if it's a

(31:21):
I knew if it was a run play or a
pass play immediately because he's if he's got to go
to the second level. He is staring down that linebacker.
He has to go where that safety that's coming in
and you can see his head move with him, and
I'm like, here comes a run. He's about to get
after that guy, and that annoyed me.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Annoys me too, But also the same thing that happened
is he loops his outside hand in pass protection. Okay,
and that bothers the heck out of me too. I'm like,
I don't like this, but again, I had to go
back to level of competition, which is really important. He's
playing big time schools, big time pass rushers every week.
He's competitive, he's tough, he's got the explosive short area

(31:58):
of quickness that you get from like and he Belton,
you know that kind of popped that snap where you're
getting on a linebacker. You're on a double team, which
I liked. And again the athletes there, so it's like
the level of competition, snappy, twitchy guy. Again, the technical stuff,
some of it bothered me a little bit, Like you
can hear it. I'm still like, but I felt like
he was more consistent than everybody else, maybe outside of

(32:21):
Josh Connerly, right, Yeah, And the thing is he's just
a little bit bigger, a little bit stronger, and so
that's why he's ahead of Josh Connerly, do.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
You think he can do that anchor pull that anchor
like you were talking about.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I think so. I think it's like when I watch
him again, he's doing this thing with his hands where
he loops his out his left hand because he plays
left tackle and he plans the inside hand and it's
really hard to sink a ball that way, like to
sit down on that, and he consistently finds a way
to stop guys running.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I think he's able to do that because he's got
a thick, solid base.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
His legs are big. His legs at his butt are big.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah big, So like I think that's helping him there.
But uh, I mean, he's a good player. I know
we started off I started off with like that, but
it's like like he's a.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Very good play good but there's something about him. Then
I'm glad you said that because it's like he's good.
Would I be happy if the Commanders drafted him, Yeah,
of course. But there's something a little bit off or that.
I think it's a technical thing where if I was
a coach and I could go talk to the coach
and be like, why are letting him look all the
time and why is he loop in his left hand,
like can we get that fix? Like why is he

(33:25):
lunging at some of these guys on the second level?
Like the consistency's good, but then there's a couple of
things Whe're like, we could probably clean this up. And
that's ultimately what I'm relying on is that I'd like
him in the meeting because again, he plays. They played Georgia,
They've got a bunch of guys going in the first round.
They played Ohio State, a bunch of guys go in
the first round. You know, they played Michigan. They've got
a bunch of guys going the first round past Rusher wise,

(33:45):
and he does a great job versus all those guys.
So it's the level of competition the athletes. There some
technical things that are weird, but again, the bass, the anchor,
all seems to be there for him.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, tell me if you think I'm wrong here with this.
I said, he's he's he's got good verse for as
big as he is, right, he's got his size. He
knows how to use his size at times. And I
put down that he has all the tools that if
you get with a coach that tells him how to
reach in the bag and pull those things out. He
could be a Pro Bowl like player. He's got that
in it.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
It feels that way. Yeah, And I think that's the
thing about him that's so interesting when watching him is
it's like there is like all that stuff's true, but
there's still a little bit of thing that's like, I
don't know. Maybe so again, he's the third guy on
our list. We like him. I think he's gonna go
probably top twenty, I would say, yeah, just based on
what I've seen of the other position groups right now,
maybe twenty five, depending because how many dbs go. But

(34:38):
like him a couple things here and there, but I
think overall gonna be a good pro.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
All right, your number two would have been my number one.
I'm in love with this player. So tell me about
Josh Simmons from Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Dude, he would have been my number one if he
hadn't hurt himself. Right, Yeah, that's the thing. Like, So
he's number seventy one at Ohio State, plays left. Tackley
transferred from San Diego State. I want to say maybe
San very Saneo State, so smaller school guy that transferred
up kind of like our guy. Jyllen, Travis and Bro.
His movement skills are tremendous. He's three hundred and twenty

(35:10):
five pounds, he's six five and a half sixty six,
and he like all the things you see from Trent,
like Trent's special cut. So I hate making that comparison,
but like that's what I wrote down. Yeah, like Voderosov
from Minnesota who just got that big contract. I know
they were seventy one. Both those guys were seventy one,
But those movement skills, right, I can get out on
a screen, I can smoke a linebacker, I can bend,

(35:30):
I can sink a bowl. I can give I can
flash hands the defensive end, duck inside and capture the
linebacker and outside sot. Like he's just got all the
big top end movement stuff you want. Like he has
it one hundred percent, man, and that like is just
and so to me, he's the best athlete in the class.
Like and so I just recently saw a mock draft.

(35:50):
I think Daniel Jeremiah did it where he had Josh
Shimmons coming to the Commanders at twenty nine. Oh my gosh,
I'd have been like, oh my god, this is the
best day of my life because he and he's coming
off some type of knee injury. It's undisclosed. Yeah, he
missed the last half of the season. He played the
first six games the last of the season, and dude,
he's just like good, He's just good. He moves well.

(36:12):
He's a little technically raw. Upper body strength might be
a little bit lacking, but man like, he can just
move around at a high level.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
He's got Here's what Here's what I wrote. It's just
what I see, and all I am is a spectator, right,
I see that he's an elite offensive tackle in this
draft pass He has all the tools and has polished
enough that upon entering his NFL floor is pretty high.
Just with that athleticism, it's the moon with him if

(36:42):
he's able to fit polish everything up, that athleticism. Just
he's nasty but nuanced, heavy but quick. Think of like
running back like athleticism at that size.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I think he's a top pick.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
It's the knee, right, It's just a knee. But I
have no state and anything, right, Like, I don't run
this team. I don't know anything about how people decide here,
how Adam Peters are Anybody here decides anything. I'm just
a guy and I have because I have no stake
in the game. I don't care about the knee injury.
I'm taking everything this guy brings me. And here's my

(37:17):
starting left tackle for ten next ten some years, protecting
Jane and Daniels. But again, I have no stake in it,
so I can take that risk. And then there's a
knee problem, and then you.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Know, yeah, and again, like you know, if he tore
his ACL, that's fine because people come back from a cylindery. Yeah,
then there's a role it is. There's a rumor that
I know, and I hate even talking about this, but
he talks to me, I think it's a Pateell injury
and you're like, we don't know what it is. Yeah,
we don't know. But again there's levels to it, right,
so it could be really bad, it could be fine.
So if it's fine, I think you do a backflip, man,
I think, because everything you said is one hundred percent truth.

(37:48):
So I think about Darrisol like what I had an
evaluation him coming out. I feel the same way about him,
like I love him. I think he's he's the guy
to me, And again it's it's close between him and
the number one R list. But man, like all the
things he said, he's quick, he's strong, he can bend
all the athletic check marks, and he seems to have

(38:08):
a good understanding of angles and leverages and play design
and so yeah, I like he's again. If it wasn't
for the knee, he'd be the number one guy. It'd
be close as can we just talk about number one
real quick, because.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Goes ahead, here's your number one?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, Will Campbell from LSU. I don't know if that's
a surprise anybody, but as I watched so again, Josh
Simmons love him. I can't say enough good things about him, Right,
Will Campbell Is? I started off a little lukewarm on him, Right,
I watched a couple of games getting beat off the edge,
like is he this? The one thing about Will Campbell
that I will Two things that I will say about

(38:45):
him is he is a brilliant football person. You can
just tell by watching him. He understands protections, he's calling looks,
he's like a larning the quarterback to things like he's
very communicative and his balance is top shelf like you
talk about it, movement skills like he moves well, but
his balance is incredible. Like he's hand uses isn't great,

(39:06):
but his footwork and his balance are off the chain.
So like he'll take a bull, he'll basically let the
guy run right into his chest, which is ill advised
unless you're like three point fifty, like you know, a
big dude. But his he can just kind of sink
his hips, get his feet in there and block you
with almost just his chest because his lower half is
so good and his ability to redirect at the second
level very very high. He's never on the ground even

(39:29):
like when he's kind of missing, like he's able to
recover and kind of get back into a block. Like
his recover, his his ability to recover is very high.
And I go back to the balance, and I say,
that's why. So if that's a skill that translates to
the next level. The conversation between him and Josh Simmons,
I think is pretty close about who the number one
offensive lineman in this class is. And I would just
have to I just keep hearing stories about his how

(39:51):
he prepares and how he studies. He's got all those
things kind of going for him, and Josh Shimmons might
be the same way. I don't know, but we haven't
heard that. So it's the balance, the intelligence, And again
it shows up when you're watching I'm trying to remember
what game Mark and saw I had a good game again.
But there are times where the thing that gets me
nervous where he'll get beat off the edge, like when

(40:11):
you watch Joel last year. Joel never got beat never
like he'd get bold, but he'd set it down. God
would beat him off the edge, but he pushed him
by like he never like Will Campbell has some quick
bad losses on film. Now they're few and far between,
but they're there, and so it makes me wonder, like
how long are your arms? I just set his hand
usage isn't great. But those are the things that's kind

(40:32):
of jump out to me about negativity with him.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
So there is a conversation kind of going around in
the draft circles of maybe he's just a really elite guard.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, yeah, and I see it. But after really like
diving into the balance thing, I'd probably let him take
a shot at tackle and if it goes, it goes great.
But he's gonna be good at guard. I mean, shoot,
he could play I think he could play all five
you know, he could play any position on the offensive
line because of the intelligence, because of the competitiveness, because
of the toughness. I like him a lot, but again

(41:07):
there's questions about him as a tackle for me, and
again that's where the value is a little bit weird.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Like then, so sorry, I'm just pushing back because I
want I want you to like really dissect it here,
because is your number one? So if it's like, oh, well, okay, tackle,
we could try out, but I got a really good
guard anyway, and like you could play anywhere on the line,
I get that, but you want to tackle, right, Like,
if you're taking this guy as the number one offensive lineman,
don't you want him at that premier spot.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
So we talked about last year, like mitigating risk with kicks, right,
mitigating risks, risks with a pick, And to me, I
don't say there's no risk, because there's always some risk.
But like he that's the kind of player he is,
Like he's just there. Floor is very high. The floor
is professional football player. Yeah, right, And like Josh Shimmons

(41:53):
is coming off the knee. Kelvin Banks junior. We talked
about some of the kind of quirky technical things right,
I'm on menbu is close. But we talked about some
of the effort things, right, Josh Connerley. We talked about
the weight, you know, Anthony Belta, We talked about the
inconsistency of like mental mistakes, effort. The highs are very high. Well, Campbell,
I none of those. I don't really have those same concerns. Right,

(42:13):
It's just like you're going to be a good pro
whether it's a tackle or a guard. And again, the
balance is crazy good, Like it's dialed up to ninety nine.
It's about as good as it can get. And it
lets him get out a lot of stuff. So I'm like,
if we can get him to work with some of
the length stuff that we're talking about here, Yeah, punch
a little bit better, be a little more violent with
his hands, are we okay? Here? Maybe? But he's playing

(42:33):
SEC football. You know, he's playing against the guys from
A and M. You know that are everyone's you know,
two of those guys are going in the top twenty
five probably right, Nick Scranton and Sherman Samar Stewart from
and then both those guys are going to go probably
top twenty five. He did a great job versus both
those guys. Right, he played against Land and Jackson, the
big defensive enverd Arkansas. He did give up a quick loss.

(42:56):
But everything else is like he's going to war with
a guy who's going to be a at least a
second round, you know what I'm saying. Like, he's done it.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
This is solid contact, if it's baseball solid contact. Maybe
maybe this is going to be a home run. Maybe
it's going to be a double.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
But you've made good hard time.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
And I think that's the thing is Like, I like,
I wanted to make this comparison Will Campbell. I like that.
The baseball analogy is perfect. It's you're getting on base
right with Anthony Belton, it's going to be a grand slam,
or you're throwing the bat to the outfield because you
struck out so bad. Like that's the that's the thing
you're dealing with here with with him.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Okay, all right, that's your top ten.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I will put in the link of the description here.
I'll put in links to where you can jump around
to these guys if you want to go back and
listen the time codes here. Now, let's do one for
the nerds. For the draft psychopaths like us. We're gonna
throw out just a couple more names. We're not going
to go as in adapt. What I put on here
is maybe just like two words for each one of
these guys, just describe them. So I'm going to give

(43:56):
a couple. You're going to give a couple just names
to keep an eye on. We don't think that these
guys are like eleven through fifteen or whatever. Just said
adopt them. They're just names to know maybe the later
round guys, but just keep an eye on them, fourth round,
fifth round, like there could be something there, So start
with you.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah. So grays Abel, we already talked about him. He's
probably my second guard, you know what I mean. He's
a really good player. I love hill of his compete,
love his movement skills. Awesome, Like, keep an eye on that.
Grays Abel from North a Gokota State. The other guy,
Marcus Mbo from Burdue is so fun to watch because
he's all the athletic measurables are dialed to a million

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and all of the strength measurables are like fifty percent.
So he is like he's got great sets, got a
lot of diversity to what he does, but it's like,
are you strong enough to do it? And I think
that's the thing that gives me pauses, Like the movement.
Movement skills are crazy good. But that's why he's not
in my top ten. Is I thought about putting him
in there, but again I watched him with the Senior Bowl,

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watching him in college, like when a big, strong dude
gets hands on you, it's like can you survive this?
And I'm not sure that he can. All Right, I'm
going to give you one.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I liked Wyatt Millam from West Virginia and here's my
two words. Yes, he's nasty and a good developmental prospect.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah. So I think part of this is I watch
Wyatt Milham when everyone was like, this is the next
this is the second coming. He's challenging for like a
top five, not a first round spot here, And when
I watched him, I was like the athletes good, lacks
ideal length, lasts ideal anchor. But I think he could
he play in the NFL absolutely, And I think that
was the thing that jumped out to me is he

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only has thirty two and five agents arms, so a
little bit substandard. Struggled playing guard at the Senior Bowl,
which is probably what he's going to do at the
NFL level because he's probably not going to buy tackle
and just lacks that great and strength kind of the
same thing with Marcus Imbo, like you know, quite frankly.
So that's where I kind of why I like him.
I think he'd be a great fit for a lot
of teams in the NFL, but feels a little bit
more developmental then initially. I was kind of propositioned when

(45:52):
I got his name on the work.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Right, let me roll into another one for you, Cameron
Williams from Texas.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I have a raw but a freak Yeah, no, I
ron freak are great words to describe him. Like. He
reminds me a lot of like Anthony Belton, Benton Belton,
excuse me, big like just big strong, athletic guys, you know,
but they've survived being big, strong and athletic. And I
think Belton has a lot more snap and a lot

(46:18):
more explosiveness to his game than Cameron Williams does. But
I'm glad you brought him up because he's a guy
that you know. He's six five sixty six, he's three forty,
he moves around pretty well. He had a ton of penalties,
which drives me absolutely insane. Like I was watching the
House State game. He had three false starts in the
first half, Like, what, What's what's going on with this guy? Right?
Like what is happening? So, yes, yes, but what I

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need to talk with you before we draft.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
You, probably, so all right, give me give me another one.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, So Chase Loots from Connecticut. Man, I turned on
this guy's film. I forget who they were playing, it
was North Carolina, and I was just like, you are
a freak. You're six' eight, you're three hundred and ten pounds,
you run like a deer. Like, so if you're playing
outside zone, like he's got a great feel for outside zone,
he's got a great feel for pass protection. I wonder
about his arm length. It looks they looks like short

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arms and play strength man, Like he had a clip
where he's like trying to block down on a three
technique and the three technique loops out and like literally
just crumples under the ground. So from a movement skills standpoint,
like emphatically, yes, but all of these guys, if you
don't have the play strength, I'm like, what's going on?
You know? What I mean, like, what can we do here?
And that's why I feel about him.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Did you watch any of Charles Grant, William and Mary?
I ask you that? All right? So uh, pass protection,
run run blogging. Yeah, that's that's kind of how I
felt about.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
That, dude when you cause I didn't watch them, and
we were talking about last night, and so I watched
him last night, and dude, he can move, man, he
can move around a little bit. He's athletic, he's got
a decent feeling pass pro. It's a little over the
place developmental because he's playing against like what looks like
high school kids sometimes like he's bigger and strong.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yea, because of William and Mary. The top tier competition
just isn't there.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, And so a dude that you're like, I like you,
but technically you got to develop. From a physicality standpoint,
I think you're probably got to get a little bit
heavier little. I think he weighs two hundred and eighty pounds,
looks like two eighty five maybe on film, soh movement
skills check, competitive check, physicality check. It's the level of
competition and kind of the developmental arc because that's one

(48:19):
thing that someone said to me last year is like
with a guy from William and Mary, it's three years
before he starts. A rookie contract is four years long.
So do you want to wait that long and get
give somebody else the fruit of your developmental labor? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
But for a later round guy, yeah, Like there are
things there where it's like, okay, I see something here,
All right, give me, I'm just one more.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Ozie Trapilo from Boston College six seven and five eighths,
three hundred and twenty one pounds. He's got ten and
a quarter inch hands, but he's got thirty three and
a half inch arms. So technically man awesome, technically great,
like he moves well, he's big, guy, can set, can
get on a double team, They've run all this power
at Boston College. The thing about him is arm length.

(49:00):
Usually for a six to eight guy gotta be like
thirty four in charms. So there's times where he's setting
and the guy's dipping and it's like you can't even
touch that guy because he's so like you're so high
and he's so low. But in terms of like technical floor,
I love him. I love what he does. Very competitive,
but again the armleng thing might might relegate him to
like a swing tackle type role.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
All right, Elied, I'll give you. I'll give you one
more because I'm loving this too much. I like getting
in the weeds with you. Jackson Slater is one on.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
So Jackson Slater. But I also want to talk about
Miles Hilton, Like can we talk about.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got I was the one
that put Miles Hilton on there from Michigan. So I'll
say real quickly what I saw. I love you hearing
what I saw because I'm waiting for you to tell
me you're way wrong. But he's a solid player, nice
physical frame. His superpower is his quick hands and feet.
That's what I wrote. Uh, he's aggressive in the run game,

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but he looks like a high floor tackle at the
next level, but really lacks an explosiveness.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yes, I'd say that's a hundred right. Like when I
watched Miles Hilt, I was like, why are people not
talking about him? Was like a top ten player because
again technically very sound. He's strong. Yeah, he gets it,
like I think his dad played thirteen years in the
NFL for you know what I mean. So he's got
this pedigree and understands what it means to be a pro.
That definitely shows up when you watch film. He's got
a decent kickset, like he gets good verticality there. He

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understands the relationship to the quarterback. There's a little bit
of stiffness to him, right, which is the thing that
limits him. And I wonder about top shelf athleticism, and
that's what I ultimately drew back on from not putting
him in the top ten because I was like, you're
not the athlete. These other guys are yea.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
And I feel like if he's a guy kind of
like Brandon Coleman, it's taken around that time, right, Like great.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, Because I think the other thing about him is
after watching him, I think he'd be a really solid guard.
I think you could play tackle on a pinch and
so like with Cornelius Lucas potentially moving on, he's a
free agent this year and been so good for the Commanders.
Do you re sign Cornelius or do you pick up
a guy like Miles Hilton, who again has played both
tackle spots. Looks like heyes guardability he gets when you

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watch film, he understands like the timing of a double
team where I need to get to on a screen. Again,
not the best athlete, but neither was Corney. Neither was
Luke like Luke may do with having crazy long arms
and knowing what to do at a really high level.
And I think he feels like he could be that
type of guy. But he to me to your point,
he feels like he's ready to go right now, you
know what I mean, which is great. So and then

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you want to do Jackson Slater for second.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
To say, oh that's this is you love?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah, I loved it at the Senior Bowl and I
watched him like he just like the anchor, the foot quickness,
the like all the technical like hands are snappy, elbows
are tight, good bas ability to sink into your hips
like anchor versus power quickness to get to the second
level like he's got it all played at secondment of
say he played left tackle right. He reminds me a

(51:49):
lot of Gray's Abel And in some ways, after rewatching
the Senior Bowl and watching college film, I like Jackson
Slater better as a guard. I think he's going to
be a better guard because he's a little bit thicker,
a little bit stronger, got a little more pop to him,
but I really really liked him. I like a lot
on the film. So he's a guy that I just
in terms of throwing names out, just keep an eye
on him, because like Senior Bowl was good, was better

(52:11):
than good, it was great, And I thought his college
film was very, very good.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I think to put a bow on the offensive tackles
here is it just feels like there are a lot
of guys here that like they're tackles right in college,
but they're probably going to be guards, right, So that
could affect like how in comparison to the last year there
were a lot of like, oh, you're definitely do right right.
It could affect how.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
It moves people were trying to trade up in the
first round. We get tackles because there's all these guys
that are tackle tackles, tackle tackles, and this is not
it's not the same commodity that it was last year
at a position of value like these are you know,
like I'm on menbu is going to be a good pro.
But how high do you want to take a guard? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
And it will be really interesting to see how this
draft plays out with market value for offensive linemen as
compared to the year because last year it's hard to
compare things to because there were so many good quarterbacks.
It just pushes everything down the line.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I think we were talking about this Dina and Mobile,
like good quarterbacks, great offensive lineman, yeah, great skill position players,
like yeah, so you were getting something pushed down to
you down the board. There.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
We look at the Eagles able to get Quinnon, Mitchell,
and Cooper Dejane in a class that didn't have the
quarterback depth that the last one that they're not falling way.
It's not happened.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
So good for them.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
They got great players. It's no knock to them, but
like also kind of lucky, yeah right, but also for
us kind of lucky. Jane and Daniels is number two
because in.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
This Mike Sander.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Mike Sander's still there, right, like, but in this class,
Jane Daniels is number one, like but because of Caleb
and I don't know, it's just even Drake May would
be number one, I think in this class.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
So I honestly think like Drake May, JJ McCarthy, probably
maybe bo Nicks even like That's where I'm at with
this class is like, and I've watched just a little
bit of quarterbacks, like or not like those guys, I
think we've sleep Michael Pennock's junior probably, I think would
I think you'd probably take if they were in last
year's class. So Caleb Williams and shad Or Sanders were

(54:10):
in the last year's class, you're taking them after Michael
Pennick junior.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I think it's right around there.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
And you know what I'm saying, You're like, oh, like
that's that was like the sixth guy on my boy
or whatever, you know what I mean. Like so, and that.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Affects everything, like if there's dominoes everything, So last year,
it's hard to compare things last year just because that
screws everything up. But I think there are a lot
of good offensive linemen here. It's just are they all
going to be tackles and because they're not sure that
it may fall a little bit down the line.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
And I totally agree with you. And it's also like rolls,
like I think last year was like, oh, this is
a left tackle, Like maybe this is your swing guy,
and that's a valuable piece for an offense, like having
a guy that can play center garden tackle. Like let's
say you draft Grey's Abel and you've got guys you
like her starting, but he's your swing guy, like and
he can develop for two years. Like yeah, Like that's
a that's extremely valuable for Washington, right. I know it

(55:01):
doesn't seem value, but it's crazy valuable. And I think
like that maybe kind of adjust the thinking there. Maybe
you're not gonna get a bona fide starter a week
one like you would have got last year. But this
year it's like, man, if you draft Anthony Belton in
the second round, like right before you know, like the
last pick of the second round, Dude, there's a guy
that could maybe be your left tackle bump bann and
Coleman inside just bigger, more fit. You know what I'm saying, Like,

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that's kind of what you're thinking about there.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
So here's the thing I saw. You know, when you
get online, you'll look at like what other publications are
putting out on like what are team needs? And Washington
as team need offensive line? Okay, well every in my opinion,
every team your team need is offensive line. I was
listening to someone make this argument. I can't remember who

(55:43):
it is, but it was like, every year you should
be trying to draft an offensive lineman. Relatively high and
just keep doing that because you're gonna have guys get hurt,
you're gonna have guys not work out, and you're gonna
have other teams that also need offensive linement. So maybe
you get pieces. But the Eagles are great example drafting
guys Like before they drafted I'm blakeing on the center.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Oh Cam Driggens. They drafted him.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Before Kelsey retires, right, so they had a plan in
place of Okay, Kelsey's going to eventually retire, Let's get
a guy in here and if he pans out and
there is a developmental project, we can go right in
and we're not missing a beat. And like every team,
I think Adam Peters is going to be like that
from the draft we saw last year with drafting Johnny Newton,
where they did Mike Sanders. Still like, these are some

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positions where it wasn't like a desperate need was considered,
I think, right, but it's like, oh, that's best player available,
put him in, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah no, And I think that that's this is why
the draft's so fun, is like what's the approach, you know?
Is it like I think the Las Vegas Raiders last
year drafting the tight end from Georgia. His name escapes
me at the moment, rock Powers, But like, is that
a position to need? No? But is that a good
football player? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
So like trusting your evaluation, rushing your board, handling free
agency well before making sure the rosters filled out so
you don't have to draft overdraft for need is extremely important.
But I do think like that's one of the reasons
I thought it would be good to kind of talk
through a lot of these names, and we talked about
in the production meeting. Is just there. There is an
opportunity here to get some good depth, to get a
starting peace, even though it might not feel that way.

(57:19):
And I think it'll be really interesting to see how
it all falls to the commanders, especially picking later, because
now we got to talk about more people. Last year
was like, let's talk about Jane Daniels. Now we got
to talk about they could take anybody at twenty eight,
you know what I mean? Twenty nine exte you think so?
I think it's an exciting time to be a Washington
commander show.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Absolutely all right, So leave comments, tell us if you
agree or disagree. You can definitely disagree with me. I
don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just a guy,
but Logan's the expert here. Catch the more in Command Center.
You'll be doing more breakdowns and stuff like this. I
know you need to check out the get Loud podcasts
with Fred Smoot because he's trying to come for your
draft Guru is trying, right. He really gets upset that

(57:56):
you do all the draft stuff and he doesn't. And
we're going to keep coming to you every Monday. Drop
what position you would want us to do next, and
whoever gets the most I mean, we'll do it because
we have really no order.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, we just started off.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
That's a lineman beyond right. We think it's a fun one.
So we just drop which positions you want us to
do next and we'll do them.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, and that's going to do it for Toda's show.
So thanks so much for joining and make sure you
check us out next Monday. That's it.