He Was the Quiet One—Until He Made Noise in Every Room

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D. Mallory and it shit Boy, my Son
it Generally we are your host of TMI.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
New name, new energy.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
But same. How you doing today, Tamika D.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Mal good good, good good, Let's get it, Let's get it.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
What's going on with you?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Well, I think the only thing I could tell you
about what's going on with me is that as I'm
getting older, I have new pains and aches, and when
I get out the bed, I have to roll onto
the floor and stand up by limbs and then try
to like shake.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It out my elbow herds.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm just trying to figure out what is forty five
because it's just.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Total different feeling. That's all. That's all that's happening with
me right now.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I remember forty five. It was a different filming.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It was forty five. Was that you knew that you
was forty five?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I mean, you know, I believe I'm in good health,
you know, knock on wood. I've been exercised. I tend
to take care of myself. But you don't feel eighteen
no more.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
But I felt eighteen at thirty five, at thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Five year because it's still that's still fresh, you know.
But after the forties you start the bone. You start
feeling little creaks and cracks inside your knees and you can't.
You ain't got the Megan knees, y'all. You can't bend over,
you can't. Yeah, it ain't none of that happen. It's
just like you can't do certain stretches, like things start hurting.
You just sow for no reason, so you realize that

(01:35):
things are changing.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
No, Seriously, when I got up this morning, I literally
rolled onto the floor and then I was like my
back Now, I'm like, okay, I need to shift the
mattress because but the mattress is new.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
So I don't even know. I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
What's going on, like not new as in, well that's
why it's hurting your back or different parts of your
body because it's new and in these be broken in.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's broken in. It's it's been there for a while,
still place where it's right now, but it's not just there.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I mean, you know, I stay in everything from an
airport Marriotte to a rich Carlton to a Saint Regis
like I. We are always on the road, so we
all know what it feels like to travel. You feel
different beds, and you get different experiences in the different beds,

(02:32):
and sometimes you like, oh my gosh, that was the
best thap in my life. Sometimes even in a nice hotel,
you like, this bed is crappy. So I've experienced it all.
There's no reason why at every single level I have
the road onto the floor stretch all these places. This hurts,
that's going on. This isn't the same.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's just not the same.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
If it's forty five, it's very clear that it's not
the same as forty.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's definitely different, you know. And it's Taurist month.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yes, it's still your mind.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
We're approaching my birthday. You know, I'm a man of
a particular age. I'm not going to say that right now.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
I met a man that didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'm a man of a particular you know what I'm saying.
I'm a grown adult man. You know, I'm reaching the midway,
the midway area of the I'm reaching. I'm almost at the.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Fifth floor, almost almost at the fifth floor. Nice. I mean, listen,
remember when you look like me. It don't matter. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
That boy, that boy shop. Ain't he looking you know
what I'm saying. I don't look like what I've been through.
But it's a blessing, man. So I'm just trying to
enjoy life, you know, enjoy my month, tourist month. So
many people's birthdays. I was just with my man yesterday
his birthday. Shout out to Aaron his birthday like Rahiem
Divine's birthday. Like it's so many people. That's Taurus. You

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know what I'm say, saying that the best, the best.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Happy birthday, birthday it is. It's a lot of people's birthday.
The tourists, our board chair, sister friend on the islets,
our birthdays, wellday, so many lot. It's a lot of
people who have birthdays and that are tourists. Y'all pretty
decent people. We are, I have to say, most of

(04:24):
the tourists folks that I know, I really have. You know,
we work well together. We gel as they say. But
you know, as you reach your fifth floor, we want
to wish you many many many many many years of
success and prosperity and blessings and all the things and happiness, man,

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happiness is a thing that's like, whoa, what does it
even mean these days? Because it's hard to be happy
in a society where you know, there's so much happening,
and you know, I have to say that when I
sit with a group of people who are starving to

(05:07):
death with our tax dollars being spent on this experiment
or colonial operation that's happening, colonizers operation that's happening to
the people of Gaza and the Palestinian people, it's like
sometimes you get and by the way, that same experiment

(05:30):
takes place in our nation as well, in different communities,
and you get happy and you celebrate. We do birthdays,
we do parties, we do fun things, and then you
just sit with it, like this place is really it's ghetto.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Do you realize they.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Say that they were supposed to be introducing a bill
to make it illegal to speak against Israel?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Well, yeah, I mean actually I was up probably like
three four o'clock in the morning and researching it because
I was like, let me just make sure what I'm hearing.
The internet can be very dangerous and words matter. Words
are important because while I do know that based upon

(06:16):
what they are trying what they're attempting to pass in
the Congress. That it does mean that they're moving closer
and closer to individuals also not being able to say
that they're protesting a boycott. If you put it on
your social media, you could be in trouble or whatever
and all of that. But that's not where they are now.
Right now, they're passing a bill that will impact vendors

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and institutions and college groups, and the dangerous one is journalists.
So that means that they assume that you have some
level of influence.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
You are a vendor who refuses to.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Do business with Israel because of their policies and the
genocide that's happening to the Israel, to the people, the
Palacinian people.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
So if you make.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
If they know that that's the reason, like you might
be able to get away with just not wanting to
do it and saying it wasn't a good business deal.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
But you cannot say I will.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Not because I'm boycotting or I do not do business
with Israel.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Then you can be.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Fined and jailed, you know, for that, and then you know,
beyond that. Of course, if you're a journalist and you're
doing articles that talks about boycotting Israel.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
And all of that.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
That's what they're specifically focused on now. But it's the saying,
the good old saying, once they come for them, they
come for you. So it starts off with it just
being about this, you know, bigger, larger entities or more
organized entities, which probably includes organizations like Until Freedom who
they don't want to be a part of the BDS movement,

(07:59):
boycott the investment and sanctions.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
But what eventually we.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Know is that if they start this, then it'll it'll
eventually come to If you're just a person who has
a large platform and you use your social media to
talk about these things, you can lose your page then
maybe go to jail. So that's why you have to
stop it over there, and and the and the real
thing is if they can do it about Israel, they
can do it about somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
They can they can start saying, just like challenge the president.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
People off the street because because they literally it's literally
that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Kidnap.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
If they're kidnapping you for protesting with no due process,
no charges or anything, and sending you out like that's crazy,
it's the same process.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Now they have this thing where like on YouTube and
other places, I realize people are saying the R word.
People are saying s A instead of saying.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
You know, xtual assaults or eight.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
I can't say it, our guess because it might trigger
And eventually they're gonna probably do that with the word
genocide as well.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
It may already be U.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
And you know, we're really moving into a space. And
again this stuff is supported by both Republicans and Democrats,
so you know, And and then the last vote which
Bernie Sanders and a group came together to stop money

(09:27):
from going more aid going to Israel, the Democrats, including
the black ones. In fact, it was all the black
ones that I saw who were in the Senate that
voted for that bill right to push for or voted
against stopping the aid, so they supported more money going

(09:48):
to Israel. So you know, at this point, you can't
even sit up here and say, and it speaks to
my thought of the day, you can't sit up here
and say, well, no, no, no, you know, don't say
that about the Democrats, because the Democrats are the poor
party of morality.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Man.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Both sides, both sides have very very fundamental issues. It
brings me to my thought of the day, David Hogg.
This is a young man who was one of the
who's just a survivor of the Parkland shooting. So we
know that the Parkland shooting was probably one of the

(10:27):
most horrific acts of violence against students where students were killed,
and you know, it was something that sparked a larger
movement around gun violence, prevention and intervention. It's interesting because
even in the Women's March, we were saying, we have
to focus on gun violence, and people told us that

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had nothing to do with women's issues. Why y'all want
to do gun by people? Matter of fact, we were
being told that we were derailing the mission of Women's March,
right and people they condemned us for attempting to organize
largely white women around gun violence. And then when the

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Parkland shooting happened, there was.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
A big movement.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
All of a sudden, the world was like, oh man,
we're coming out by the droves, by the millions against
gun violence or in support of gun violence prevention and intervention.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
And guess what. Here's the thing, right, here's the thing.
The thing is, if we had.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Dealt with it at the time when women were raising
the issue, when women of color were raising the issue.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
But that was the issue, that was the problem.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
They didn't like the fact that we were demanding that
the movement addressed gun violence because it was happening to
black and brown kids.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
And of course, you know, certainly.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
There had been white children who had also been shot
and killed, and gun violence is.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
An issue that is across the bulls, right and so.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
But they did not want to deal with Pilando Castill,
which was a black man who was shot to death
with a gun that he told the police officer I
have a gun and they's still a license carrier.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
They didn't want to deal with that. They didn't want
to deal with the black issues.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
So they condemned us for the idea that we would
ever bring gun bus And then all of a sudden,
the Parkland shooting happens and white folks was out in droves.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
So it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
We never want to do anything to protect other people
that might also protect us.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
We feel like, as long as it's happening to them,
it's cool.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
But okay, brings me back. Excuse me, let me get
sentent on my thought of the day. David Hogg, who
is a survivor of the Parkland, the Parkland mass shooting.
He is also a vice chair for the DNC, and
that's really important because he's a young kid. I think
he's like twenty three or five something like that years old,

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young guy who has you know, because he became one
of the voices that was organizing around mass shootings and
violence and shooting in general, guns and all of that
access to weapons. He has risen through the political ranks
and now he is vice chair of the DNC, big position.

(13:22):
He is now raising or has raised twenty million dollars
to challenge sitting elected officials. So he wants to primary folks.
It makes me think of Stephen Green, Reverend Stephen Green,
our brother, when he says primary everybody, right, because here's
a problem, right, and there's people that don't like this.

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In fact, haw Keen Jeffries has probably raised even more
money to defend incumbents and make sure that they don't
lose their seat to these younger progressives, liberals or whatever
they want to call them. And sometimes they're more conservative
voices within the party. So this is so there's two
conflicting ideas. I support David Hogg. I support him because

(14:06):
what happens is that we have people who have been
in the same position.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
For thirty forty years and it is time.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Let me tell you, you become not just complacent, but
sometimes compromise, even when you are not trying to be like,
you're not a bad person, you're not a scammer or
shisty or any of that, but because of relationships you
built over all of these years, because of your funders,

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and your position in different places and battles that you've
been in where you learn that that's too hot. You
once said something to me that was so powerful that
the reason why little kids are so much more creative
and have so much more opportunity is because they don't
know about what could happen.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
If they touch this, if they do this, if they
do that.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
So it's beautiful to watch them as they go through
life's challenges and they explore and sometimes they run up
on something good, you.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
And so what happens is that compromise it or being compromised,
does not always mean that you're doing something that is
you know, it's an attempt to harm the community.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
What it can mean is.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
That you literally like just ain't got that drive to
fight this issue because of all the things that go
along with it. You know what happens if you stand
up to Israel, They're going to label you anti Semitic.
You've watched how that harmed other people's careers, So now
you don't want to get into it with that.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
You know that to get the police.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Or to get people to sign a or to yeh
to sign a bill, or to vote positively for a
bill that would hold police accountable, that's not that's kind
of a situation because if you do that, then you're
gonna have the unions after you, and if you don't
have police support, you might not be.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Able to win in the next election.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Or you're getting money from APAC, from this place, from
that place, so it can compromise you. Again, it doesn't
always mean you're a bad person, but it does mean
that you have been compromised in some way you need
to be.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
You, and you don't even have the will to fight,
not even compromise right. Sometimes sometimes losing certain battles and
losing a lot it makes you less. You don't have
the vigor that it takes to fight. Like they say
they use old men for war, I mean young men
for war and old men for strategy.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Right, so them, And that's exactly right, and that's exactly
what it should be because we have people, and some
people are young and shouldn't be in the positions that
they're in. But you should always have to fight and
make sure that you show the people that you're still
committed to the values that they want to see. You

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should not just be able to roll over in position
and guess what. If you about your business and you're
doing what you're supposed to be doing, the people will
defend you, the people will stand up for you, and
the people will support you. But the problem is now,
and I get it. This is what some people wanna say.
They're gonna say, oh no, because look at Corey and

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look at Jamal Bowman and how those two people were challenged.
They were primaried and they didn't win. And so this
is why you want to block that and shield them.
But the Democratic Party didn't do anything to shield them.
The Democratic Party, so you might as well take your
chances and be able to show the people that you're committed.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
They did not do anything to shield the two of them.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Maybe with Jamal Bowman he did get some good endorsements.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
He did.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
I'm not saying he didn't Hakem endorse him. But it's
not the same thing as throwing down in the district
fighting for that man and standing on business.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Because if you're if.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
On one hand you are over here more Zionists than
the zion this, and then on the other hand you
over there talking about oh I stand with.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Jamal Bowman, it's not making sense.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
It's not adding up because Jamal Bowman is over here
calling out the zion this for what has happened in
this project that is taking place in Israel Palestine right now.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
That's what he's saying. So how you doing that? It
don't make sense.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
So my thought of the day today is that I
support the young people saying we need to push for
at least a battle so that we know that you
still have the will to fight and prove to us
that you deserve to stay in a seat over and
over and over again.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
And so I think that David hog is doing the
right thing.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
That these young people, they are sick and tired of
folks who are weak, who are compromised, who are unwilling
to get up and say the thing people don't even
want to stand up against, you know, against in type
of police and power. We just saw it and I'm
not even gonna I don't want to disrespect their brother,
but we just saw somebody where we were recently when

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we try to talk about policing, and they want to
make sure that they defend the sheriff.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Up the town.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
So this is this is a mindset that these young
people don't want to be involved in. And guess what
what David Hogg realizes, at least this is what I think,
because I didn't talk to him about it, is that
if we do not do something, if we do not
do something, we are going.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
To lose more and more and more.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
So he's actually helping the Democratic Party by saying you,
I gotta help you get out your.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Own way, because people, the people is not fool. They
see through it.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
The people you're trying to give us as representatives, they
don't have the fight that we want.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
They just don't have it. And if you.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Expect us to vote, if you expect people to go
out there and vote, then you got to give them
candidates they want. That's the bottom line that people are
rejecting that you're gonna cookie cut and you're just gonna
plant you know, representatives and people for them to they
just not doing that normal. And we're in a time
where if you're not moving talking away that that resonates

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with me.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
They will stay home. They show you, I will stay home, and.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
People want somebody that might have came out the mud.
I saw a cold argument going back and forth about
this brother, Zorhan, who is running for mayor in New
York City and one of my dear sisters who I
just don't agree with in this. She was like, well,
he's been a part of failed campaigns and he didn't
do this, and he hasn't done that, and he don't

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know this, and he don't know that, and so we
think that he's the best person for the job. You
know what, Yeah, some people might think that. I think Zorhan.
My guy is Mike Blake. I'm with him until the
last day. Make sure that you rank Michael Blake. I'm
ranking him number one. You will rank him number one,
But he did not make sure that you rank him

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at least number two. Now I like Zorhan, right, I
like Adrian and I like Zorhan.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
So I got three people that.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I'm ranking off the back right because Adrian as a
black woman, I think that she could bring something unique
to this city that we have never had. Right, We've
not had a black woman to be mayor of this city.
And I just think that when you look at somebody
like Tish and I understand the contributions that Kamala Harris
could have made and that other black women that I

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know can make.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
To our society.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I am I'm a proponent of pushing black women forward.
So I support Adrian Adams as well. And Zorhan I'm
watching him. I like Zorhan because Zorhan is keeping it real.
Zorhan that everybody, well, he was part of fail campaigns.
That means he know about fail campaigns, so he might.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Know a little bit about that. Guess what he might not.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
He may have ideas, because they were saying other people
in this chat that that Zorhan has ideas that won't work.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
That's what we might need. We need people, we need
we need something different.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
We might need people who are willing to try something
that is all off the wall to help us to
get where we have to go. What people do not
understand a lot of our political folks and our political
operatives and other elected officials. Is that people are rejecting
the same old.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Thing and they're rejecting it.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
They don't want it. So guess what if Zorhan or
Mike Blake or Michael Blake he can't win because he's
you know, he's to this, to that he has, he
didn't win his last time he ran, I mean out
of heard so many things. Or Adrian, she doesn't have
the support. Guess what, support them. Pour your resources in

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and then show up. Volunteer support, help, get on the team,
get on the transition team, and.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Help these people.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
But folks do not want what they have always had
because it is not working. They want something different. So
I guess the next idea would be run your damn self.
Run yourself because she'll see it, and she'll know run
yourself because you do have ideas that's outside of the box.
But if you think that this cookie cutter strategy that

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folks have.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
People don't want. They don't want it. Did we not
see it in the election that we just had The
people went with.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I was gonna say whatever, the people went with somebody
that I think.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Is a very bad man.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yes, because some people went with them, not everybody, but
there was, there was too much of a percentage of
people who did.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
But in other people they are doing the thing that
David Hogg is talking about. They said, you know what,
y'all figure it out.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
I'm gonna just go on to my couch and I'm
gonna chill out until y'all decide what y'all gonna do
going forward.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
And that's something we cannot afford.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
We have no time to play around with these people
and y'all playing Parcheesi.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
We need to inspire people.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
The ideas need energy.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
They need not people that's jaded, that's telling you we
can't win. They got all the pieces.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Nobody wants to hear that.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
You got to know all this stuff because guess what.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
The City of New York, some of these corporations they
already run every single day off of a system that's
in place. And if you're half intelligent enough to hire
the right people and then you have a good heart
and some innovative ideas, trust me, trust me, you can

(24:31):
make it happen. I truly believe that. I do not
believe that you have to be a career politician in
order to get in position and do the right things.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I think that there are people who it might be
the first.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Time they ever even touched the podium, and they still
they can inspire more, and they might come into the
office and say, guess what, we're going to change things around.
But they need to be coming from a good moral soul.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
And you can tell that when you look at Africa,
when you look at Ibrahem Treori, right, and you listen
to him, he tells you the Mond state. He says, yeah,
they'll tell you Man Kadafi did it this way, or
the president of Haiti did it this way, and they're
dead and this one's locked up.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
We reject. We're not scared.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
We understand in order to get what we want in
order to change something that we might have to lose
our lives, and we're willing to do that. That's the
energy that we need in this moment. We don't need
the old God telling us, well.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
That don't work.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
We tried, you see what have no.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
No, we want to hear somebody saying we're going to
do the right thing, regardless if we have to die
doing the right thing. We're going to stand up for
the people. We're going to speak the language of the people.
We're going to put the laws in place that the
people want that are going to benefit the people. We're
not doing status quo, and we don't want nobody that's
trying to tell us that we have to do status
quo because we rejected.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
But leading with the good moral conscious is important because
some of the people that we have in position who've
never done these things before, who are the ultimate whatever
I was gonna say, di, but I'm not even doing
that because no, you know, the ultimate disasters. They don't
have a good moral soul, a good moral compass, and

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therefore their way of doing things, the new way is
to hurt, harm and destroy. We're looking for people who
have a new way of doing things, new ideas, fresh
ways of being, but they want to be right by
the community, the people, and the most disadvantage these people

(26:38):
that some folks. I'm not talking about, my friend, I'm
just about some folks, the people that they want to push.
They're the same people that support that nonsense that's happening
in Israel palasign. They're the same people who will stand
there and continue to inflate the police budget. They're the
same people running around talking about I'm running on the
anti Semitism line. Like what is I get the concept

(27:01):
of fighting for the protection of all citizens, including our
Jewish brothers and sisters, but what are y'all talking about? Like,
come on, let's let's let's be for real. And you
think you think when those types of people are running
for office, what you think the rest of society looks
at us and says.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
This gotta be a joke. This has got to be
a joke.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
I don't even want you to run on the anti
black racism line. I don't even want that. That's not
what I'm looking for. That's not what I'm looking for.
What I'm looking for you to do is have baked
in all of your policies a way to make sure
that all people are safe and not to lead black
folks or students who are protesting against something that they

(27:45):
know with their own eyes is wrong.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's what we're looking for. So, you know, we just
live in a society that's just so.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
And it's like everything you say and do, the twisting
of the words and the ideas, God help.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Us, God help us, it's a lot. It's a lot.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
And speaking of a lot, the TMI today is it
too much? Or some people might say, hey, get over
it dogs on planes.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
You can't stand.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I don't have a.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Problem with dogs on planes. I don't have a problem
with dogs on planes. People have their dogs. I've been
traveling with dogs forever. And sometimes even though I don't
deal with dogs at all, I don't deal with dogs
at all all. But sometimes people get on the plane
a little cute dog. I look at it and I'm like,
this is a cute little dog, and me and the
dog be.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Like, you know, okay, you cool whatever. It's not a
big deal.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
Dog.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
People don't generally their dogs don't bother anybody, right, But
this new thing that's happening, and it's been going on kind.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Of and inchin and echin.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
For a few years, and now it has become like
a just I don't even understand what's going on here
where people's dogs are this big big dogs, long dogs,
big old, like not baby dogs that people are getting
on the plane with and either stuffing them a little

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bit up under the seat, or the dog's face is.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Out in the aisle, out in different ways.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
I was on the plane the other night where a
woman fell almost to her face. People had to grab
her because this couple had a dog so big that
the man couldn't fit his foot in the aisle, and
so his foot was kind of out and the woman
tripped over his foot as she was coming down because
the dog was just that big in the too this

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is and it.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Wasn't you know what.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Honestly, it wasn't one of the big, big, big dogs,
but it was still too big to fit under the
seat properly.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
So the man was like.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Trying awkwardly to get his feet positioned somewhere. And I
think that, you know, I think it's doing too much.
But the rest of people, people might look at me
and just like, oh, you're a hater, you know So
what just just be unconversation. What happened to the passenger rights?
Because now if you apply for a status to say

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that this dog is your your service dog, that you
need this dog, then now that.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Just everybody is free to do what they want.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
So okay, the woman and the man have the dog
sitting there, the dog is halfway out. Now when it
is time for us to get off the plane, they
have to stand up. You know why, because there is
a woman or a man whatever that is in the window.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
They are in the middle and our seat and I'm
in the ole seat where I always am.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
So they gotta get up, They gotta get out the
way because people are moving around. Now they're standing in
the middle of the owl with this big dog. Who
one does what is a damn cardinal's sin to me?
He gets on his tail is in my because he's
this long. His tail is in my aisle, and his

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head is the other way, and he does what dogs do.
But it's a cardinal to me on my damn clothes
is he starts shaking his body and getting you know,
shaking himself getting up. So now his but let's just
say he doesn't have Please. What he did have was
hair that ended up on my black sweatpants. And I
don't have the animals, so I should not have to

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take home with me. Nobody's dog's hair. So that's number one.
Then when it's time for them to start walking, he
turns around. He's trying to figure out his way. He's
got a big body, and now his face is over
here next to me, and I'm like, and a lady
says to me, oh, you're fine. No, I'm not fine.
I'm not fine.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Because this is inconvenience to me.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
We're on a plane and now, all of a sudden,
the new rules are which they.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Never put statements out.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
I am a Diamond member, I'm in the highest level
of traveling on Delta, and I have never ever ever
seen an email that came out from them saying that
you will now have to share space with dogs that
are damned near your size. I'm not the size of Alista,
a nice sized child.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
It's not okay with me. It's really not.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
And I don't care who gets upset because people don't
feel people.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
And by the way, folks feel like.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Because what she said to me, I hear all the time,
and I've heard it before people got bit I've heard
it before people had a bad encounter with a dog.
Oh you're fine, Oh she's fine, or he's not gonna
do anything too. But everybody is not comfortable with your pet.
It is not a human. I don't care what you say.

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This is your pet, and everybody is not comfortable with that.
And I notice that this is a normal prot thing
that happens in spaces when somebody's uncomfortable with the animal.
It's like people are looking at you like you out
of your mind, like it's something wrong with you. I
don't want your dog to die. I'm not saying there
shouldn't be dogs. I'm saying that it is not fair
that I now have to experience something that it really

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makes me not I don't like dogs.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
We know, we I mean, we can tell from this
conversation that you're not really thrilled with the dog. Tamia
doesn't want the dogs on the plane, not the big ones.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I just don't.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
I feel like, if that's what you're gonna do, then
the people who are sitting next to you need to
have They need to be informed or something that has
to be more work done. Where the people are sitting
next to you get the choice of whether or not
they want to sit there with your big dog, and
it should be somewhere on the ticket person will be
next to you with a dog, a huge dog. This

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man had a pit ball on the plane in front
of me the other day.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Huge dog, pit bull?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
What in the world are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (33:40):
All I know about pit bulls is not something that
I'm not I'm not well. I know some people that
got some beautiful pit bulls that they love, and I'm
sure that's because it's different from the I gw up in.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
The projects with.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
But at the same time as a person who watched
the pit bull bite my sister.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
It used to be a people. I didn't mean to
interrupt you.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
It was a guy named Mikey that used to live
across the street from me in the Bronx, and his
dog would run out the building and we had a
tire that was cooked up to the monkey balls. He
had a chain and the tire and every day, no
matter who was in the park, that dog would run.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Come through the park, the kids wouldrun.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
He'd just run straight to the tire and hang on
the tire for about forty five minutes straight, literally locked
hanging in the air on to the tiger.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Locked. Yeah, it was the craziest shit I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
And with everybody just standing around, he would lock for
forty five minutes.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Well, people have been traumatized by stories that they have.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
You know, I don't play with dogs. It's not my thing.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
And I feel like, damn, here, I am paying whatever
because Delta's tickets say it's not this not this is
not the cheapest airline, right, This is an airline that
charges you in comparison to the level of service that
they give most of the time. Because I have I
could sit here and say, well, sometimes they don't meet
the level. But for the most part, my experience on

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Delta is decent. It could be cleaner, but it's not
the worst because I've been on some other flights that
oh my god.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So they charge for their service and.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
I don't mind paying, even though I do mind paying,
but I pay it because I want to be comfortable
as much as I have to fly. But now I'm
having to make myself shrink and be to accommodate somebody's
pet that is not of Yorky or teacup or whatever.
These daughter little what's the other one to look face

(35:39):
that I love? Anyway, no one else cares but me.
I'm sure people will tell me that I suck and
I'm horrible.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
No, I think, but I think.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I mean, I think this is reasonable. If somebody is
paying for a ticket, right, especially you you travel in
you know, good class most of the time, they should
be notified that there's going to be a dog next
to him. And I think if a dog is a
certain size, and you should have to pay for the
seat right so that the dog has his own space

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and an't got it like the dog can be underneath
the seat by itself, nothing in front of him, not
imposing itself on anybody else.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I mean, that's I agree.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
The people had to come over to the man with
the pit bull talking about, oh, sir, your dog's face
can't be in in the aisle.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
This is different people. This is the same flight.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
By the way, there one big dog here and one
man here. They come over to him something, your dog
can't have his face and the thing and and maybe
he wasn't a pit bull, but he looked like one.
But I know that that might not be a thing.
And maybe pit bulls are not considered to be I
don't know companions, so I don't know. But anyway, he
looked just like a pit bull. So they like, move

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your face in. He has to move his face in.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Well, the damn dog.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
It wasn't that that the man was purposely just letting
his dog hang out.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
He can't fit. Yeah, this space is too tight for
my purse.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
The dog French bulldog.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
French bulldog.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
So we have a guest that's coming up, one of
my brothers. I want you to pay attention, smart dude,
cool dude, my gud. And today we have not a friend,
a brother. This is one of my brothers. You know,
we say the word day ones. This is my brother
from back in the day one from the b D

(37:29):
from the West Side, from Nelson Merriam, from the playground.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
You know, we grew up and just watching who he's
become is just amazing. You know.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
In my journey in music, he was one of the
closest people to me, helped me with a lot of ideas, influences.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
He was always always a cool like he was always
we used to call him the young man because he
was so cool was He just always was one of
those people, you.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Know, asking itself up.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
But don't worry about we. I mean we outside you
know what I'm saying, We don't look like we've been through.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Man. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
I like that. And you said day one, I will
say the negative before negative negative.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Trying to figure it out. We're trying to figure it out.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
We got to one and then we got we got
one because of you.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Well, I appreciate that. But listen, I'm introducing you.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Don't we give me too much flowers right now, man,
because you know what, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Man, I love it.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
My brother Harold Harry o' wilkinson, the CEO of Chase
Republic College, professor entertainment, executive, martial artists, and father, and
today we are joined by him to talk about his life,
his legacy. His book is Beyond Words. It's the art

(38:51):
of calculated communication. Thank you for I mean, you know something,
I do this.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
You know I do this for real?

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Yes, you do, and I appreciate thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Oh, thank you for being here. The cool HARRYO. Everywhere
I go, they'd be like, oh yeah, Harry, Oh, that's
my guy. That's Diddy everybody you know.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
That's that's really dope to hear. I was just telling somebody,
people meet your reputation before they meet you. You know,
your reputation shows up way before you show up, so
it's really important to keep that intact. And the way
you do that is just be as genuine as possible.
Even though we're in this nasty entertainment business, you still
just have to you know, lead with lead with a

(39:33):
light about you have a certain level of integrity. And
thankfully to God, I was able to do that. So
you know, people, hopefully they have some nice things to
say about them.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
They should give a little background, you know, because we
got this book and we know all of these accolades
and who you are now. But just give a little
background on how you got here and what you want.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Well, yes, I can tell you a little bit about myself.
It's sometimes the most difficult thing. Like you talk about yourself,
I feel like you're bragging everything. Well, I just give
you the short story of it. So I started in
the entertainment business as a hip hop artist, as a rapper, right,
very very young. I had a deal with Uptown Records.
That's my first record deal, Uptown Records with you remember

(40:12):
James Jones who lived in thirteen eighty.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
James Jones, James Jones, Jones old school stuff.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Yeah, yeah, thirteen eighty is a building in the Bronx
and an executive that lived in that building named James Jones.
God bless her. So he was an executive at Uptown Records, right,
and he found me. I think I was maybe eighth grade,
I can't remember. And I had a development deal with
Uptown Records, and that's how I first started in entertainment business.
Then quickly that went away for whatever reason. Then I

(40:39):
had a deal with Motown Records in between the deal
with Motown Records and Kedo Massenberg, I was also working
with Puff with Diddy, we didn't ever sign a deal
with bad Boy, but he would have me in the
studio doing a lot of writing, doing a lot of touring,
so on and so forth. And I have a relationship

(40:59):
with my through music in which we'll talk about as well.
So I went from Uptown Records, went to Motown Records,
and then Murder in Records is where it ended. I
always like to say I got credits in different companies
like a college, Like I got transfer credits from bad Boy,
I got transfer credits from Motown. I got my last credits,
my last twenty credits I needed to graduate. I got

(41:20):
with Murder Inc. And then I transitioned into like more
behind the scenes things like that. But that's the short
version of how I came about where I am and today.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
So from the music aspect, what makes you say I'm
gonna switch course like I can't, I'm not gonna do
this or invest so much of my intention into being
an artist.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Good question. So there's two things that happened. One, I
became a father right to my daughter. But when you
are in entertainment, and you love entertainment. I always loved
to be a part of entertainment. It was just a
natural thing to transition into behind the scenes because one
of one of the things that God gave me as
a natural ability which I transform into a skill, was

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connecting with people, knowing how to deal with people. So
when I was a hip hop artist, I would build
these relationships, like I used to go down to death
jam with my song when he had his deal, and
I didn't know the effect I was having on certain people.
From Chris Lighty God bless her Dad to Eric Nix,
all these people took a liking to me, took a
liking to me, took a liking to me more. They
liked more my personality than whatever music we were doing. So

(42:29):
as a start to transition out of being an artist,
that door was just open for me to walk into
be an executive. It was like an easy, easy transition.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
It was always the person that, like I said, he
used the cool dude. He would come in and he
always had something to add to something right, so he
would listen. He would always he always paid attention, Like
if I was doing music in the studio.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
He would listen to the beat.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
He'd be in his own corner and he would listen
to what I'm saying and then he'll come to, you
should probably make the chorus like this, or make the
melody go like this. He always added something, so even
Chris Light, he would see him doing that. Tone would
see him do it and be like, your old needs
to be around because he brought something to the table.
He was always trying to add a piece of the puzzle. So,
like he said, he would come down to the to

(43:16):
Varick Street that was like the spot at that time
def jam Verick, and he would go in to offices
and he would build his own relationship with Chris Light.
He'd be like, yo, I think you should do this
with mice well and he would sit there and say,
Christ what you think if you did this, if you
market this, I think the video should go like this.
He always was staying in the end. Then they would
ask him questions. They would come to him be like
what do you think about this?

Speaker 3 (43:37):
And he'd be like, well, I don't really like that
that much.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I don't And then he started building his own relationships
with that, and even so.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
It morphed you know when I got locked up, because
always a part of.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
We had our own thing called the Problem Children, right,
So we had five different personalities. Everybody had their own
personality like us. Traveling was like I even get into
all that. But we said we had we had a ball,
like you know what I'm saying, Like we we we
left the block and we just started exploring life. He
was young, twenty twenty one year old kids in Miami.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Probably he wasn't.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
When I was.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Two years younger, but don't guts, but what I'm saying,
we were just exploring life and was always a person
to listen and pay attention and add something to it.
So it was me him becoming an executive and moving
into that, you know, to the offices in those buildings.
It was natural for me. I didn't I already seen

(44:39):
that before it happened, you know. And then he started
hanging with Joe Rode. They met on a set of
Somewhere a movie. He was so he gonna tell you
that story, but they met and then they built their
own relationship and partnership and then it went from there.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Like today, I'm a part of like Jos. Like first
Jo was my brother. I always want to be Yeah,
that's my brother, that's the most important element of our relationship.
That's my brother. Now outside of that, my company, Chase Republic,
serves as like an independent agency for him where we
do a lot of different deals together. But let me
just tell you a quick funny story. And I think
I told this a long time ago. So when Mike

(45:16):
was signed to Violator, like he said, I was always
down in the office. I mean, Chris Lighty is taking
a liking to me. Everyone is loving my ideas. So
one day Chris Lighty and Eric Nick set up a
meeting to see if I can get an A and
R position. A definitely. I'm still an artist at the time.
So they're like, Yo, we want you to meet because
we think you're great for this job. Go meet with

(45:38):
whoever they want me to meet with. So I get
into Guy's office. We're talking to Guy asked me three questions. Right,
he says, what do you think about cash money? Records?
Cash money? Just like they just began. So I said
what I said about cash money. Then he asked me
another question, what do you think about this? I forgot
the answer. Then he asked me this third question. He
so he goes, who do you think is going to

(45:59):
sell more records my song or Wow, I'm sitting and
I'm looking at like how you asked? You know who
I'm with? Right, So I'm like and I'm looking at
him like real perplexed, like mice, my song is selling
more records than jo Easy. He looked at me, he goes,
all right, cool, it's nice to meet you. Whatever, and
then that then.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I didn't get the job.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
And of course, listen, my career got derailed for some
unfortunate circumstances. Who knows, maybe he had he could have
went off and sell more than joh But the gentleman
knew something out of all we had was us. That's
all we have. I'm gonna ride with my team for

(46:47):
every answer. That's my team. But Joe had a different
machine with them, Like we had our core and our love.
But Joah had Irv's mind, he had jay Z, he
had d m X. We didn't have any of that
in the core like d Max became came on about.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I mean, we just we never had the opportunity to
have that.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
We didn't.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
That's what I'm saying, Yeah we did, we didn't.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
But jo Joe is a generational artist, you know, he
created his own side, he created his own lane. It
was always competition like that when we walked into death Gym,
that's what all John. So we was in competition, like
you know what I'm saying. So when they built their
own relationship, I know he probably laughs at that.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Yeah, because me and like me and Joe got Me
and Rule are like super tight, super tight. That's that's
my guy right there. And yeah, and my company does
a lot of different activations for a lot of different
partnerships like we do with a lot of other talent
that I probably talked about today.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Well, yeah, I mean, and that's the problem in and
of itself that you probably could have helped that person
who interviewed you make millions of dollars, but they were
so caught up in trying to, you know, do the
the division competition thing. And it's because the question is disrespectful.
If you know who I'm here with just to ask

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me that is, if you want me to show you
that I am going to cut my friends back. And
they might really have been thinking that as well, because
we know the industry is so cut through, right, it's
so cut through.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
I'm sorry because I didn't even look at it that
way gave me a Yeah, you gave me a different
perspective because all these years I never looked at it
that way.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
They might have been just trying to see like, do
you have this undying loyalty to somebody or are you
willing to sit in this room and say something because.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
They might need to send you to do that. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
That that's why I said to me because you're very,
very very because I m wrong, But it makes it makes.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Sense because why would somebody ask me that?

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Well, let me tell you why. A possible reason they
could ask it. But I love your theory on it
because no matter what you asked me the question, I'm
always gonna ride with my team, but the other perception
of it could be all right, I want to see
if you can be biased. I know that's your friend.
What do you know of Joe Rule and his ability

(49:11):
in comparison to your friends? You feel like, how do
you feel? Do you know your friends?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
But that's what I'm saying, it's still out of pocket
question because you're telling me that's like somebody you seeing
Lebron and you seeing Mellow and you hang with Mellow
every day and you don't watch Melo score forty fifty
sixty game and then before they get to the NBA.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
And they ask you, who won't be a better NBA player?

Speaker 5 (49:34):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
There's no way that I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I see, okay, Lebron score forty but I know my
man can score forty two, right, So I understand it
that when you look now in hindsight.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
You're gonna be like everybodys gonna be like, well, you know, of.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Course, hindsight is always gonna be but that's okay.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
But I still just not gonna say it. It just doesn't.
But let me just say this because.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
You you mentioned something that I wrote down here, which
is that you had an ability that you turned into
a skill. These young folks need learn about this. We've
been educating the last two weeks the young fulk on
a lot of things, but the ability to a skill.
Because some people think because they have the passion, they
got the talent, they have the thing, that they also

(50:12):
have the skill set to operate it and help and
use it to make them successful.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
There's a difference.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
It's a big difference. Like the ability when I mentioned
it in the context of God planted the ability you
have what it takes to connect with people and to
build You have what it takes to make a life
from yourself, just from you. I planted that within side you.
The skill is now you have to work at that.

(50:40):
You have to work at what the ability I gave you.
You may have a talent to play basketball, you have
the ability, but you have to work at your skill.
You have to apply discipline, You have to understand where
your strengths are. You have to seek counsel. You have
to understand that you don't have all the answers and
you want to be better. So, yes, I was God
playing to something inside of me, being an ability to

(51:01):
connect with people, deal with people, a certain mind that
he gave me, and I work at the skill of it.
To now when we write a book is beyond words,
the art of calculator communication. I understand that I'm putting
forth to skill and something that was already playing in
side of me. So to your point, to me get
the young people, sometimes we got to give them some

(51:23):
time because I didn't. I didn't just wake up and
get there at twenty twenty two, twenty three, twenty four.
It was a process of getting there process, God was,
God had me going straight. It was a process. But
once that lightning come in and once you're unlocked, then
these young people they'll be able, toy'll be able to
get it.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Yeah, but sometimes we take too long to figure it out,
and then that's when you end up because sometimes you
you might also use your abilities and make them a
skill set for the wrong things.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, No, It's is like
you know, I used to watch cartoons like this power.
If you have it in your hand, you can use
it for good or use it for evil. Not to
get so spiritual, but that's when you have to have
all right, you have to have some type of faith
now to keep you on the right track of with
this ability of skill. Because yes, to go back to

(52:17):
the book right the art of calculator communication. When you
hear the word calculated, people may think manipulative or this
or that. No, I'm talking about using this information in
the light of how God wants you to move, how
you move with this information. How can you be calculated
to get the things you need? But you're not at
the harm, you're not harming someone else, So that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
So it's like it's like when I tell people the
difference between a hustle and a drug dealer. A drug
dealer can only sell drugs. A hustle can sell anything. Yes,
And it's all in the mind frame. Yes, Because when
you look at jay Z, when you look at fifty cent,
when you look at cash money, you look you watched
drug dealersansform into hustlers. They realize, Oh, I'm just changing

(53:03):
the product, right, I'm not harming nobody anymore. I'm using
the same skill set, the same god giving ability to
make deals and sit down with people and sell this
or you want to buy. It's the same exact skill set.
So once you realize that you have that ability and
you turn it into skill and you use it for
the right thing, it's calculated, like you said, and it's
not manipulative. It's me using the best things that I have.

(53:25):
It's like I know that I know how to speak,
I know how to make people pay attention. When I
went into death Jam's office, a lot of them was like,
I don't really like this music this. But when I
sat down with Leo and I was talking to him
and I was rapping the same songs to him, He's like,
that's it. Right there watching you visually give these messages.
Is what's going We're gonna make video. This is what

(53:45):
he told me. Absolutely, and I realized this was a
skill set that I had. I realized the ability. I
realized that when I was talking to people, they were captivated. Right,
So I utilized that skill set. And that's what people
have to do. You have to find the thing that
you have that makes it, makes it tangible and makes
it effective for you to be able to create some defense.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
And everything you want to do in this life. You
already have everything you need inside of you. You just
have to find.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
It's like to get for talking all the time. That's
all she did was talk for real.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
That was always Now now you're the voice for the
voice list. You understand you the voice for the voice list.
Everything you need to go, wherever you want to go
is already em bettered inside of you.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Right.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
You just have to find that and harness that and
work towards it. Is a term of hope on the
messagelized world of self actualization, right is reaching the highest
level of yourself, the highest level of understanding you. And
that's something I talk about in the book. As far
as your intra personal intelligence. Your InTru is how you
see yourself? How do you feel about yourself? What do

(54:53):
you think about you? When you reach the highest level
of understanding you, you understand that anything you want to
do it's already and better than siety. But it's a
process to get there. It's a process to get there.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
So tell us about your book. I'm really interested in,
first of all, how you came up with the concept
for the books and somebody help you or was it
your own idea?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
And then what was your writing process?

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Yes, I can answer all of that, So let's start
with the writing process.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yes, I can answer all because he's a professor.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Yes, I'm a college professor, so we're going to start there.
I'm a college professor. I've been teaching communication courses for
over twelve years. Right, different levels of communication, So as
a college professor, I started to understand communication on different aspects.
When you ask someone how do you define communication? Right,
I always ask the class. That's the first thing I asked,
how do you define communication? Is speaking? In this and

(55:53):
the communication is so much more than speaking, It's so
much more than words. Hence the title, It's beyond words.
Communication is beyond words, it's connection. So to answer your questions.
This book started during the pandemic twenty twenty, when we
were locked down. I started to write. I wanted to
write a communication textbook because as a college professor, I

(56:16):
go into the classrooms and the administration I don't want
to say any administration name. They say hey, they say, hey,
this is the TEXTICALLY want you to use. And I
read the textbook and I go, Okay, why do I
have to teach these students someone else's thoughts, Like, if
you want me to just teach from this book and
have them answer these questions, they might as well have
just an independent study and do this at home. But

(56:38):
if you want me in the class to show my
ability and my skill, they're going to learn from my thoughts.
So I said, you know what, let me write my
own textbook. I started to write my own communication textbook
and a journey with communication. All communications starts with intra
personal intelligence. That's your conversation within. So we go from
there to interpersonal community relationship with you and I. How

(57:02):
I feel about me will determine how you and I connect, Right,
so my intra will affect my inter So I discuss
intra inter our relationship, how we build relationships into cultural communication?
How do I connect with people who don't look like
me or who have they're just from a different culture.

(57:22):
We look alike, but we are not in the same culture.
And I explain that, and then how do I apply
emotional intelligence? Then we transition how do I become a
leader in communication? So that's the journey of the book,
and we can dig in more to it. It's one
thing I said, and I don't want to ramble when
I discuss culture and communication. I start the class, I say,

(57:42):
how do you define culture? So the class will say
they say all these things. I say, what's the example
of culture? They say music, they say t you know, art, religion,
so on and so forth. And then I say one statement,
and I want them to answer after, what's your response
to the statement? Culture and race are not the same?
Culture and race are not synonymous. And I let them

(58:04):
think for a second. They're like, Wow, culture and race
aren't the same. Once you understand that just because you
and I look alike, it doesn't mean we identify with
the same culture. I have to realize that, understand that
as I'm connecting with you, right, Oh yeah, we have
the same skin color. Right, Say we add an event
somewhere and I sit down and some people over there,
and I'm like, look at that that Mexican woman over there.

(58:27):
I'm joking, and You're like, do you have any idea
with my culture? I know we have the same skin color,
but you don't know my way of life. And I
could sit there and be talking to and insulting you
and not even knowing, and not.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Even your father's Mexican.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Won't even know it.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
It's an interesting conversation though, because I've been asked by
a number of people to chime in on Fat Joe
and other Latino at Latina brothers and sisters who use
the N.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Word right Like.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
People are like, oh, you're not upset, and I'm like,
it's hard because I grew up in the projects in
Harlem and my neighbors were Dominican and Puerto Rican, and
then you know we First of all, I didn't have
anybody around me at that young age that was African
or like getting deeper into the black race. I was

(59:24):
more connected to people who were of Latin descent.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Than African, right I was.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
I mean, you know, now I have a total different
It's kind of like flipped a little bit.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
I'm much more.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
I have more relationships with African Caribbean Nathum race individuals.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
But at that time that.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Wasn't the case, and so we all had the same
exact vernacular, like we all we spoke the same. Now,
only thing that was different is that like if I
you know, my family, they were very Southern. So the
folks that our building, the Poppies and mommy, they didn't talk.
They didn't have that Southern thing. And then of course

(01:00:04):
I didn't speak Spanish, you know what I'm saying. So
I get why some people would have an issue with
it because they want to say black only black black
black black black. But then if you grew up in
the projects where it was where everybody was kind of
the same and using the same terminology and speaking to
each other that way, it's hard to now make the

(01:00:24):
differentiation because they it probably fad Joe probably wouldn't even
know how to speak without being able to use certain
words because he just that's what he's so used to.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Absolutely, like you said the key word vernacular right right,
And you make my point. And this is what I
try to get the young people in my class to understand.
Vernacular is a form of as a language, right, that
language it really you got to hear me on this
language does not have it's not race base. Language is learned,

(01:00:57):
you learn, you can learn language vernacular. So we are
growing up in the same environment. We have the same vernacular,
but we're saying the same things. If you're on a
basketball course and you're playing basketball with with with Caesar, right,
and he goes, Mike, come on and you fout me,
you're not going to stop the game and fight season
for like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
It's just my best friend. So this is we had
the same exact words that we said.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Every right, you understand now, and you called him that,
which is also a thing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
This has to be clear. I'm not saying that it's
right that we're not saying yeah, I'm just saying that
whoever might be trying to kill us, I'm not saying
it's right. I'm trying to make the distinction to understand
what culture is culture culture versus race, and why that's
important to how we connect and how we communicate.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Because I don't know, I don't agree that it's right
for us to use it either. So it's I'm not
trying to make excuses for anybody. But we always say
on this show that we are well, yeah right, We
always say because we're not perfect individuals, and we always
say that we live in contradiction that you know, we
can we can say free Willy and know that Willy's

(01:02:10):
supposed to be in jail because of the stuff that Willy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Done did right, like, but we want our friend to
be free.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
But when we sit down and think about it, like, boy,
WILLI was a problem, you know kind of we live
in we are walking contradictions. Every day we eat the
food we know is killing us, you know what I'm saying.
We go to the places where and shot with people
who we know they don't care nothing about our community.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
So we are walking contradictions.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
But we have to try to have a majority, a
majority of sound mind to say we're not gonna just
let any damn thing happen in our community. Absolutely, and
white folks can't be saying in word, that's it, that's it,
that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Understand like I said, it's just it's just a thought
process for you to understand, like as I pertained to
the book, just to understand what culture and races and
knowing that it's not the same so I know how
to communicate and deal and connect because I can't assume
anything because of how you look. I can't assume that.
I can't assume that me and you have the same
lifestyle because we look like no, no, no, we may not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
We may not.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
So I have to as you may have heard the saying,
I have two ears in one mouth, so I'm listen
twice as much then I speak, so I could learn
who you are, then I can connect with you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
So yeah, So give us something that's in this book
that you think is paramount, that is a key element
of communication, an example of something.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
It's so much.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
That's how I am When people ask me, what is
the part about your book that surprises people the most,
I'm like the book.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
It's a whole book. It's so much right, But there's
a couple components that I touched on first. I want
to mention one thing, right, So in the back of
the book, I talk about calculated communication and how it
pertains in my business. How Chase Republic, my agency has
partners with the Brooklyn Nets partnerships with the WNBA partnerships.
How did you get these partnerships? You are independent mail,

(01:04:08):
black mail, small company, how did you get these partnerships.
I got these partnerships through calculated communication. I attended one
Brooklyn Nets game, just a regular game as a fan.
I'm gonna watch this game, got tickets to the game,
and this one gentleman handed me the tickets. Right, I'm
not going to give the who storyway because you gotta
read the book. One gentleman handed me the tickets. So
say this as a movie, as a gentleman handled me

(01:04:29):
the tickets, and I hold the tickets, and we fast forward.
You see me in the office with the owners of
the Brooklyn Nets negotiating deals just from attending one game.
So that's something that's paramount, Like how did you do that?
Because everyone always asks me, like I see you know
you're doing these deals of Major League Baseball. You're doing
these deals with the Nets. You're doing these deals with deliberty.
How did you do it? I just went to the game.

(01:04:50):
I go to games all the time. Well, get the
book and I show you how to do it. That's
one key.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
You're intentional about when you walk in the States.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
Well, let's say this, right, in any room you walk into,
if it's ten people in the room, at least two
people can help you advance. If it's ten in any room,
at least two people in a room of ten can
help you advance. This ability and skill is finding out
who those two people are, because you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
The Jamilitary Davis model, right, not.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
Walking up to him with a clipboard like, hey, so
what do you do you do this? No, it's ten
people in them. So any room that I walk into,
I say, all right, I need to walk out of
here with something. I need to walk out of here
with something.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Like Denzel said, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Leaving with something. I'm leaving with something. So even if
I'm getting ready for like a networking event, like you
know how sometimes you don't want to go out, I'm like,
all right, let me go to this thing, let me
go to this dinner. As I'm getting there, I say,
I'm leaving here with something. I'm leaving What am I
leaving with? Who's here? Who's at the o? Temika's at
the dinner. My song's at the dinner. All right, I

(01:05:56):
know a little bit about my song. I'm not going
to get you ready. I studied my song. I watch something.
I know his son plays soccer, my daughter's a dancer.
I know a little bit about Tamika. All right, okay,
soon as I sit next to Meka, this is what
I'm going about. She mentioned something about living in Hall
and blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm gonna have
a thirty minute conversation with you about Harlem, and before
you know it, we're gonna be doing business. My son

(01:06:19):
sons play soccer, my daughter dances.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
All right, how was.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
It being a soccer dad. I'll tell you how it's
being a dance Da soccer dad, dance that soccer d dancer.
Ah'll be laughing, joking. Next you know, me and my
song is doing great business. But it's strategies to get there.
You gotta get the book, so you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Get the book for the strategy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
To get the book for the strategy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Next time you come, make sure you bring me a
small sweatshirt so they don't want to together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I don't want no extra small, so you don't want
to fish small. I can't even fitish small.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
But it just feel bad that you brought me a
medium or that wasn't effective community cast.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I needed you to bring both sides so that I would.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Have to take you something because I actually I was
in the inventory. I was looking for small, but I
found like a bunch of mediums. I'm like, all right,
let me just grab this medium.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Nah, I appreciate it so well. Now I'm at least
in the loop. Everybody had this stuff. I had nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
No I got you. I'll make sure I take it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
You know, it's so much more that we can talk about.
But people should get the book.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
I find myself on my book tour just talking through
everything and feeling like these people are even going to
read it. But it does encourage folks because they're like, oh, no,
I have to get into the pages. But I do
want people to pick your book up. How can they
get the book?

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
First of all?

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
And then are you out like speaking and touring? Is
that something that you're open to do? If somebody's listening
in they're like, oh, I need this type of person
to come and speak at my school or teach a
class or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
Well, first answer to the question, you can pick up
the book on Amazon. You can go to Amazon and
the search engine and just put in It's Beyond Words by.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
How with Wilkerson?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Now your real name.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
Harold Wilkerson. Yeah, I couldn't put because I'm not saying
everyone knows me, because some people are going to watch like,
who the hell is this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
And that's fine. But for the people that do know me,
they know Harry O. They have no idea that I'm
a college professor. They have no idea that there's Harold
Wilkerson that is a whole other person. So I'm introducing
the world to well, to the people that don't know
Harold Wilkerson, I'm introducing them to Harold Wilkinson. So you
can get the book on Amazon. Now to your second question,

(01:08:32):
speaking engagement to talk about the book, Yes, I'm open
to it. It took a long time for me to
get to that point of it because working behind the
scenes so long, I'm so comfortable with saying, hey, mice,
I got something for you to do, and to me,
I got something for you to do, and I just
stand back and just be comfortable. But I had to
write this book for two reasons. For a bunch of reasons,
but two reasons. I want to mention. I tell my

(01:08:55):
daughter that everybody wants to live forever. Everybody wants to
live forever. Everybody I don't want. I'm wanna live forever.
But there are only two ways you do that. You
either make a difference or you influence somebody. That's the
only way your name will live forever. So I decided
this year this book needs to finish and come and
come out because I want to leave a piece of
me here like this hopefully will live past me. So

(01:09:19):
I tell my kid, well, I didn't tell her this
part because I didn't want to spook her out. But
whenever daddy's gone, you need to hear my voice. You
pick up the book, you're gonna hear your daddy's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Voice all through there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
So I said, all right, I could be behind the
scenes still and be Harry O. Harold is executive, but
I need to leave a piece of me here. It's
nothing better than leaving your mind here, right, So that's
why the books.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
We got to get out here, Go and get this book.
It's beyond words. The Art of Calculated Communication by Harold Wilkeson.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Harold, I'm impressed, and I don't be saying I'm impressed.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
What I was saying is I know mice for a
very long time. I know his intelligent level, I know
his integrity, I know all these things. You have an
association where we've been around a couple of times. But
I also know your level of intelligence. I pay attention
to it. So as I was coming here, I'm like,
all right, I know how I know Mice, right, I said,
But sitting across to me, I gotta bring my a game.

(01:10:30):
I gotta know listen, thank you, because no, it's the
truth when you when you study a person from a distance,
which is a part of calculator communication, when you're studying
a person from a distance, you're like, all right, you know,
you know how she feels about views. She's strong, passionate,
and she's so intelligent, and she'll call you out on bs.

(01:10:50):
You better bring your a game. Me and Mice could
talk about everything under the sun. When the mics off everything,
we can have intelligent converice. We can have some of
the most crazy conversations. But I'm like, all right, I'm
sitting next to the black right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
This is different. It's my job. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Job, I said. I had to prepare myself because I'm
sitting next you to me, and that's why I wore
the jacket. She might like the jacket, I said, she
might like the jackets. I'm with the jacket.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
I appreciate the reference.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
I appreciate the appreciation, but you know, when it all
gets down to the nitty gritty of it all, I'm
just a regular human girl from Harlem, just like you.
So I can have any conversation. You call me and
say the ignorant stuff and we can argue about that,
or we can talk about the business. But one thing
I would say, or I will say, is that, for

(01:11:42):
the most part, even an ignorant conversation, I'm always trying
to find the importance of like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Where are we going with this? What are we talking about?
Because we're not voting for Trump? So I get it.
We can joke if we can lab but we're not
voting for Trump. That's that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Absolutely, I want to ask something because you said something.
It's in my book too, as far as calculated cammunication. Right, So, say,
if a person is coming to talk to you and
say they have to give up their A game and
they're a little bit nervous, I'm talking with Tamika, and
I have this in my book. The thing to do
is I have to sit across from you and find
that girl from Harlem. I'm not I'm not talking to

(01:12:17):
Tamika man. You know, I'm not, in my mind a
girl from Harlem talk to girls from Harlem all day.
I talked the good. So as I'm talking to you,
I'm saying to myself, this is not to mea man,
That's what it's a girl from Halem. So when you're
sitting across and you having a meeting with jay Z,
like some people, a man, I got this, got this
meeting with jay Z.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Messing yourself, messing yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
You're going into the You're going into this game with
the wrong strategy. Yes, just as a meeting with jay Z,
you're having a meeting with this dude from Brooklyn, that's
who you're meeting with, and you a guy from the Bronx,
like he's a dude from Brooklyn. If I go in
there with his perception in my mind, I'm at a disadvantage.
I lost.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
But let's just be clear, because people listen to every
word and they will take exactly what you're saying and
apply it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Don't go to the meeting with jay Z talking ma, yo,
what's up? Yo? Are you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Yo?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
That's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
But you know in a small because listen, when you
look at jay Z circle right, when you look at
Wan right, Wan is the most authentic person he still
but he ain't saying Yo, what I'm just saying. Wan
was having a regular conversation with him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
This is what what I'm saying, just to his point,
right to his point was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Yan ain't no executive heard the nigga from the streets
that met with Jay and treated him like yo, what's up?
And they and instead and when I talked to me
and Wong got this same. That's the way his communication
is authentic all around the boarder.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
I don't disagree, but I think there is a difference
because some.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
People try.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
And You're absolutely right. So like the point I'm making,
like as far as in with the book, No, you're
not going to go in there and be unprofessional, but
if you're going to this meeting with this figure, to
prepare yourself for this meeting, don't think about them as
the person you've been listening to their albums and watching
their videos, don't think about them that way. I need

(01:14:22):
to find who you are inside that I relate to. Okay, yeah,
I'm not jay Z. I didn't sell a million brothers.
I didn't do this, but you grew up in the projects.
This this and that I'm talking to that person right there.
I'm mentally preparing myself to have that conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Yeah, I got to read the book because what about
the people who don't want to be reminded that they're
from the projects and it's just the regular person.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
But no, here's the thing they don't want to be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
You're gonna talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
You're not talking about it all it's in my head.
It's all right. So my last example, I'm sorry. I
had a friend I'm not gonna mens his name. He
was dating a movie star, big movie star, and he
was like, yo, about to go out to eat ya.
You're nervousness and this and that. So I would say, listen,
stay off her Instagram, don't watch any of her movies,

(01:15:13):
don't do that. He's like, wow, I said, because you're
talking to the perception of the person. I said, when
you're doing that, you're at a disadvantage. She's going out
on a date with you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
She already likes exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
You got a phone number, she already likes you. So
but if you study, if you're sitting there watching TV
looking like, oh my god, hearing everything on the radio
about her, you may go add it at a disadvantage.
So in your head, you gotta suppress that idea of them.
I'm just talking to a girl from Harlem. That's not
to me it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I love it, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
The next thing, you know, she's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Like, oh, I love you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
So it's so cool to be around. Like, yeah, I know, calculator, calculator, calculator.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
You gotta pick up the book for it, the bookcase.
I know what y'all gonna say about that last comment,
but you know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
It's called games.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
Actually, I got to say something that it's not to
be manipulative.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
You said that already.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
It's it's because a man natural nervousness with a beautiful woman.
I don't care what men tell you. They're going to
have a natural nervousness around a beautiful woman. So how
do you suppress that nervous How do you prepare for
the game?

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
You gotta you gotta visions Like she got a book
in her nose. You know what I'm saying. She got
a booking like everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Looking got a book. Ends up.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
He's right, you just farted.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Just come on, man, she fought. Yeah, I love you.
Shout out to my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Wilson make sure you go get that book on Amazon.
It's a dope book. He's a dope dude. I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Thank you so much for comment.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Thank you for having me appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
And I'm going on shout out to my brother Harrio.
You know, I can't wait to read the book.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Very smart.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Watch.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
I watched him just grow like literally from the sand
box second and third grade.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
We was in elementary school together, you know. I mean, well, he.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Went to the Catholic school, but we went We lived
right down the block from each other, you know, and
he was actually one of the first people rapping on
the block when you know, he was the kid that
was rapping. I got into it later than everybody else,
and I just, you know, catapulted. So when I first
got into it, he was like one of the people
I'm gonna getting old to come with us, you know.
He was like we was picking our team of artists,

(01:17:39):
and he was like one of the people that I
was like, I'm gonna grab him a couple of other dudes,
so shout out to him.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Yeah, he was very smart and he seems very intentional
about how he lives his life, so that's a good thing.
It was really, you know, it's refreshing. A lot of
people like to say, well, where are the black men
that do X, Y and Z. There's many, you know,
and they're not all trolls and podcasters who are spewing stupidity.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
There are many.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
More young men and men grown men like HARRYO and
yourself and others that we respect. So I found his
interview to be very informing, and I found him to
have something unique.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Yes, it's beyond words. It's the art of calculated, calculated communication.
So you go get that book. And that brings me
to my I don't get it because this is a
perfect segue. We're talking about strong, real good men, right,
And I had I've seen a post the other other

(01:18:43):
day from Plies and Plots was like, don't matter how
much you try, you can't make a fuck nigga real
in it. It don't matter. It just it ain't gonna work.
You could do, you could say, you could do whatever
you want. A fuck nigga's gonna be a fuck nigga.
Real nigga's gonna be a real nigg and it's gonna
be it's gonna be a separation between the two.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
So for my I don't get it today. It's in
the realm of that. Right. There are women who are
having babies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
With fuck niggas, right, and some of them and some
of them is not all fuck niggas, but some of
them are fuck niggas. They are having babies with men
who have no intention of taking care of their kids.
They just don't want the kids, like women are having
sex with them, people engaging sexual activities. They just wanted

(01:19:39):
the sex. And then the women gets pregnant. She goes
to the man who says, I want nothing to do
with the baby. I do not get why a woman
makes a decision to have that baby and then gets
mad at the nigga that ain't taking care of the baby.
I just don't for the life of me, right, Because

(01:20:00):
if I made a decision, if I come to somebody
and say hey, I'm doing such and such, are you
gonna be with me and you say no, I have
no expectation of you to contribute to anything after you
tell me no, right, and a fuck nigga right if you,
Because the average man will say no, I don't want it.
When the baby gets here, his realness is gonna kick

(01:20:24):
in and say, you know what, I'm gonna do what
I was supposed to because that's my child.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
But when you do that with a fuck nigga, he's
going to do a fuck nigga. Shit, Oh god, it's
fuck nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
That's what's gonna happen. So what I'm saying is when
you are having a baby with a man who has
no intention of taking care of a baby, I think
that it's a disservice to the child because what happens
is there's a child that grows up thinking that they're
not wanted. Right, that there's a child who now they
have to know that the father who created them never

(01:20:57):
even wanted them. To beat it, they have this the
issues that they have within themselves, feeling like they're not wanted,
they're not loved, And if you if you haven't figured
out a way to compensate that, if you haven't decided,
you know what, I'm going to have this raised this
child independent of that man. Right, I'm not even gonna
let the baby know that the father don't want them.

(01:21:19):
For you to have that child and then subject.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
That child and you have to protect the father.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
No, it's not protecting the few.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
When you say I'm not gonna let the baby know.
I don't know how else can you let a baby know?
When a baby says to you, what happened to my dad,
there's no way for you to not let them know.
Your dad chose not to be involved in your life.
So when you say, even.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
I would I not say that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
That's because why should I say?

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Because I think it harms the child.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
But it doesn't matter. The father is a part.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Of the harm, but the mother should not be carrying
of all the harm.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
But it's not. The mother is not carrying the burden
of all the harm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Right if I'm trying to protect my child, right, if
I if me this is me protection of my child.
Right If somebody comes to me, if my child is
an artist and they rap, and somebody says, your.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Child is terrible, the word fucking rap, because I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Want you to understand, So let me say it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
So let me say it first, because the world might understand.
You might not get it. Let me say it to
the world can get it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
If somebody comes with my child sings and they hear
my child sing and they come to me and say
your child is terrible, I don't want nothing to do
with it. He's horrible, and child comes to me and
asks me, what did they say about me? Singing, I'm
not telling them that they say you horrible. I'm gonna
say they just don't worry about that. We're gonna go
I'm not I'm not going to take my child's pride.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
I'm not going to take their self worth.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I'm not going to diminish their confidence because I want
to be honest with them, right And that's not me.
And so when I'm making a comparison, if the father,
you and the father never had a relationship with anything,
and the father said I want nothing to do with
that child, fucked that child. But whatever he says, however harsh,
whatever he's and he lives that way. If you decide

(01:23:16):
to have that child, do you think it benefits you
to tell the child that the child the father, who
don't care nothing about them anyway, didn't want nothing to
do with them, or do you think it hurts the child?

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Who are you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Who do you think that you are protecting when you
if you tell a child, you don't even involve that
information to the child. You decide to raise the child
independent and your father passed away whenever I'd rather protect
my child.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Yeah, I don't think that that's protecting the child, because
what happens is later on in life when kids find
out the truth, they have resentment towards both parents, and
particularly the parent who lie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
And so I think.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
That the whole premise of everything that you're saying is
very troubling because the start of it comes from people
not having particularly unprotected sex and we've discussed this before,
or having sex at all. If we know that sex
leads to babies, and so if we are having sex
and a man is engaged in that, then he has

(01:24:14):
to be responsible for the risk of what he's doing,
just like the woman has to be responsible for the risk.
Those risks are not just babies. Those risks are sometimes
a disease. Those risks can be all types of things
that can happen when you exchange bodily fluid and intimacy
with another person. So that's first off, right, But you

(01:24:35):
can't control people or make them stay in a situation
where they don't want to be. So, now when you
said something that I really take issue with that you
can't be mad at the person because they don't want
to have anything to do with the child. Oh no,
you could be mad at a whole lot of things.
Just because you understood the chances that they wouldn't want

(01:24:57):
to be involved does not mean that you don't have
the right to feel a way to be upset. So, now,
when your child is at the age and when their
child is four years old or five years old and
they're asking about their dad. No, and by the way,
I don't think that you can compare this to a
singing career or art or something of that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
This is about the other person who is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Responsible for them being born for their life. So when
a person, a child that's three or four or five
years old, says to you, well, mommy, I see daddy.
I see this one has a dad and that one
has a dad. Why don't I have a dad? The
appropriate thing that I would do is to say, listen, mommy,
and the people whatever village, we love you very much.

(01:25:44):
As you get older, I will explain more to you
about your dad, But for now, I want you to
focus on you and me. You know, this family and
what's trying to probably. But I don't think that you
should ever lie about the circumstances. Now, when they get
to be eight or nine and they're really concerned they
really want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Tell them the whole story.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
You know what, I don't know. I don't know. I
don't just damaging my sign.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Let me tell you something. And when I say tell
them the whole story, let me finish my point. Okay,
First of all, these seven or eight year olds are
not like the seven and eight year olds back then. Okay,
you have children that are extremely intelligent, and most of
the people I know, even my granddaughter at two years old,

(01:26:35):
I'm like, bro, where did you get how do you
even know? Like, where do the concepts come that? At two,
she's sitting there with a plate of food, taking her
hand and putting it over it to feel whether or
not it's hot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Like, I don't even know where she got that from.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
At two, Usually they'll just go for the food because
they see it there and they assume it's you know,
it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
And then then once it's in their mouths.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
We already knows these parents I have is out their minds.
Let me protect myself by feeling on top of it
to make sure whether or not it's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
This is a two year old. So by the.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Time she is seven or eight, I have sat with
I have friends, we have friends who have seven eight
nine year old kids that are smarter than some of
the adults.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
That we know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Okay, so let's just be clear. What I said was
tell him the whole story. So you know what, your
father and I we got together. We really did not
have a relationship, We didn't really even.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Know one another.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
But on a fun day or a fun night, we
got together and we made you and your father made
it clear that this is not what he wanted, and
he left and that's it. That child might be hurt
and it might be feel like rejection. But I had
a good friend of our sadip Reental, said that she
told another young person recently. Life is full of disappointing moments.

(01:27:57):
There's things that hurt. There are things that will make
you feel good, but there's more stuff sometimes that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Make you feel defeated.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
Right, and so you need to be able to deal
with your true circumstances, whatever that is, at the point
that you can understand and ask the questions that are
necessary for you for you to just know who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
But there are a lot of but I think when
you look at a situations like that, there are a
lot of quote unquote women who have daddy issues based
on those situations because they've been abandoned.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Right, Yeah, but it's more.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
But I promise you, and I don't know the stats
on this, because you know, we can't speak to what
we don't know. We've never done in numbers, but I
bet you that there are more kids that have daddy
issues from two things. One not understanding, not knowing, and
not having somebody who's willing to help them work through it,
so that's therapy, and also being able to speak freely

(01:28:51):
about the issue.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
I bet you it's that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
And then the other one that daddy issues develop from
is having the type of mother or adult who wants
to use it as a weapon that when they say
it to you, they like, well, I don't know your
daddy didn't want you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
He just didn't want you. That's not what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
I am not saying that anybody should use their words,
use the tongue as a weapon against the father to
a child. I think that is wrong. I don't ever
think that it should happen, even with all that Jason
and I went through, when my child to today and
I are talking about him and I am telling him

(01:29:31):
about stuff that happened that wasn't good, and it's things
in this book, and I live to tell the story
that's not good. The one thing I can say to
you is that I will always lead with you know
what your father was troubled because of things that happened
to him in his life. You know the story of
your grandmother and your grandfather and what they went through,
blah blah blah blah blah, so that I can at
least make sure that he understands this context for why

(01:29:55):
Jason might have been violent or angry or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
So I'm not sitting here saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
You should not try to make sure that your kids
understand a full picture. And just because you know, some
of these girls would just be like, I don't know
your daddy won shit. So that's just it that I
don't think is okay, and I think that does create
issues with mental health challenges for our youth. But I
cannot protect you, or the child or anybody else because

(01:30:22):
guess what, I, as a woman or she as a woman,
is a human person too. So the idea that I
have to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Defend you raise you, I'm not talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
I'm not saying you as a father, I'm saying the
child I have to defend you, raise you, feed you,
you know, support you do all of these things.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
I'm already doing all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
Unfortunately, I don't believe, or maybe whatever, I don't believe
that the mother should also have the responsibility when two
people made a decision to lay down together understanding that
pro creation is the whole point of sex in the
first one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
That's not what everybody understands.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
We need to teach that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Okay, But I'm just I'm just, but I'm not. I'm
not dealing with hypothetical. I'm dealing with reality, because.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
That's the problem, my son.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
The problem is that the hypothetical is what men in
many situations has made the reality. The reality is that
sex produces children.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
But that's what I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
I'm not saying it doesn't. So what I'm saying is this,
The reality is there are fuck boys, there are men
who are have If they don't have a connection with you,
they have no connection with a child.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
And if a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Woman understands that, conceives a child with a man who
looks dead in her face and said I want nothing
to do with you or this child, right, and then
have the child and then try to still impose that
on the man that said he wasn't going to do anything.
I don't think it's not a smart decision. Well, I

(01:32:07):
just don't think it's smart, and me personally, I don't
think it makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
I would never put my child in the hands of
a person who has said I don't want them. I
would never because I'm not going to leave my child
in a situation with somebody who does not love them
or look at them as you know, their own and
something that they want to be.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
A part of.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
But I still do not believe that one I should not,
as you've already said that. One that it means that
I should just walk around and not feel a way,
because yes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
I supposed to do. I absolutely do.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
And I am not protecting or and shielding you or
are our child from the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
The truth is the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
And at the point that I believe my child is
mentally capable, which means that they are smart enough and
they his answers, I can't say that. I can't say
that because guess what when these mean ask God, dang on,
children start saying crazy things to you on you don't
have no daddy at least this and that the third
you know what. It might hurt you, but at least

(01:33:11):
you won't be going why don't I at least in
your mind, you could walk away saying you know what,
I know exactly what happened, and I know that you
know what. My dad, for whatever point or whatever reason,
has chosen not to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Because the worst thing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
Is to be looking at the door and thinking maybe
he's gonna come, or looking at situations of thinking, well,
maybe he'll show up. You know what you need to
know early on, don't look for him because he ain't
gonna be here. He does not want to be a
part of helping to raise you and being a part
of your life. You need to know that you don't
need to be thinking about any when I turned nine.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
You've seen situations where women have reached out to fathers
who've never been there, right and seeing it online, I'm
saying no, but I'm saying, but those things happen, and
I think they deal with a lot of trauma.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
When they still get rejected.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
But based so you done told me that's my father,
I'm reaching out to him. He told me he never
want none.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
But I don't know if I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Telling him at not As seven eight nine years old
exactly who the person is. But there are some kids
that will next by the time they're twelve, they'll be like, well,
what is my father's name? At that point, it is
that child. Listen, let me tell you something. My son
life is full of freaking disappointment.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
I hear you, but I just my personal So what
do you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Think that what would you tell your child? I don't
know what I would tell you exactly, and.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
You know why, you know it because because there's nothing
to say but the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
But I don't know what to tell my child.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
But I know that I would not want a child
that I have to feel unwanted just and that's why
it don't matter what if my child was around and
this was my child, I would have to take care
of my child because it's no way that I would
produce a child that I'm not going to take care
of my child.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
That's just as a man. Sp No, but I hear
what you're saying, But that's just as a man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
But there are some there are some men or males
who don't have that connection. They don't have that sense
of responsibility. And I'm saying if I just don't understand
if a woman knows that she's dealing with that level
of an individual, and she conceives as child. Regardless, how

(01:35:23):
do you expect him to change? How do you expect
to now impose? Okay, he has to be, because that's
not a reality.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
I am not going to argue with you about what
you can or cannot do with THEE or whatever, because
I'm not of the mindset that we're supposed to force
people to do things that they don't want to do.
And believe me, there was a time when I was
probably thirty three, thirty two and below that I did

(01:35:52):
believe that, well, I need to force you. But at
forty four years old, about to be forty five and
almost you know, and exactly thirty two days, I know
that the time it spends to force another person to
be in relationship with or whatever with you is a

(01:36:12):
wasted amount of time. And even if you say or
demand of somebody that they stay, or you believe that
because you have kids, or you're married, or you're daddy
or the friend, the best friend, or I did something
for you and.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
You should be here.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Even when people stay, they stay with something in them
that doesn't really want to be there. So that to
me is I don't ever want that. I don't want
to force and beg anybody at all, kids or not
to do or be in my life. So I'm saying
that I hear you on that. It does not mean

(01:36:51):
that I'm not still gonna be angry. It does not
mean that I'm not gonna still maybe need to get
some therapy for even a.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Bad decision that we made.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
I didn't make a bad decision by myself, and nobody
can sit here and tell me that the way to
solve this, this this outcome of a bad decision that
we made, is for me to be the one to
put my life in danger to go lay on a
table when I might not wake up. I didn't say that,
you said that. I'm just saying you said. That's what

(01:37:20):
I'm saying. Words are very important in that whole thing
where you spoke on your I don't get it. You said,
why would you ever have a baby with somebody that
you know doesn't want to have anything to do with
a child. The real question is why would you get
pregnant by them? Because once the child is in you,
having a baby is not always an option that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
You can get out of.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
Once you're pregnant, which now means you having sex with
a fuck boy because knowing that when we have sex,
we can have a baby. That is where the problem
starts from the beginning. It definitely, and I think that
if we teach that as a reality versus a hypothetical
that we're having.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
You, if you're having sex with somebody that you don't
even understand their core values, right, If you just and
you have an unprotected you you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Allowing sex in general, sex in general, and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
You don't understand their core values and you don't realize
that this person is a stand up individual that's going
to take care of his business and has honor and integrity.
If you are having sex with someone and you don't
know those things, or if you have sex and you
did and you said fuck all that, I just want
to have sex with them, then that that in itself
is a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
Well it's I mean, no, no, it's a real problem.
You are one hundred percent right. All I'm simply stating
is that I'm simply stating that that's not a one
person or the other. It's also knowing, right, and it's
when you have mastery of self, which is something that

(01:38:53):
we all had to learn and we get better and
better at it as time goes on, but it's not
easy for a twenty year old so on and so forth,
when we have children that were like, damn, you know cool.
Self mastery means that we have to now learn that
I don't want to lay down everywhere because I know

(01:39:14):
there are consequences that I could get up with. And
it's not just babies, it's all kinds of things. It's
also spirit intertwining. Right now. You now, if I slept
with you last night and then you act crazy towards
me the next day or never call me back, now,
that's on my heart that I have given myself to
somebody who rejected me in some way, right, Like, there's

(01:39:37):
a lot of things that happen from the act of sex,
and we are so so so addicted to the feeling
of sex as people, as humans that we forget that
we are leaving a trail of shit behind us with
each person that we lay down with. And so I'm
just saying that it's helpful for us to start teaching

(01:39:58):
and not starting conversation at if you have a baby
and then the person doesn't want to be involved, if
you even have sex with a dude, excuse me, who
is telling you he ain't even you might not even
even asked him that. That's the that's the scary part
to your point about knowing somebody's core values. You got
to at least ask somebody, Hey, if something happens in

(01:40:21):
this situation where we at, and if the dude says
to you, I ain't trying to have no babies. I
mean I literally watch a dude on Instagram say, if
you one of them kind of people that's looking for
a child and a family and a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
I'm not your guy at all. I don't even want
to have nothing, nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Is now when you go have sex with that guy
and get pregnant, and then you said, yo, you got
to step up and you need to be a father.
That's an issue for you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Yeah, but it's all but you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
But okay, so I agree with you, but I need
it to be an issue with you for two. What
I see and we and you and I argue about
this all the time. So we're going to just leave
this alone. And I'm not going to say another word.
You got the last word show, I don't get a segment.
What I notice is that men have a lot of

(01:41:10):
smoke for women and what women should and should not
do with our bodies, and how we should conduct ourselves
when I would love to hear your perspective on why
a man who knows that he does not want a
child is even out here slinging and danging around, because
that in itself is problematic. You now because you didn't

(01:41:33):
want something you wanted the feeling. Listen Elliott our brother
who is the most amazing therapist and mental health expert
in the world, Elliott Connie. He says something that was
so powerful about Shannon Sharp that it really it just
arrested me, like I love that when people make me sick.

(01:41:54):
He said that Shannon Sharp had nothing at fifty six
years old in common with a night ten year old,
which we've all said.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
He nothing was in common, nothing, nothing, but he.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Was using her for sex, So you can't be mad
when she now wants to use you for money and clout.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Everybody's using each other.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
So what people need to do is and maybe he
did the thing, so let me be careful about that
because he might have did the thing that she said
which makes her feel like she deserves whatever. Fine, I'm
not sure, we don't know what we gonna find out,
but nonetheless, still you put yourself in that situation by

(01:42:37):
messing with this child in the first But I don't
care what nobody says, teenager, it's a child at nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Okay, So now.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
You I want you to listen to how your mindset
goes to how a woman should protect herself, because I
guess you're saying the baby is her baby, so she's
the one when she verses, she gotta take care of it,
so you should be more careful. I get that, but
just imagine what comes back to us and the karma

(01:43:06):
that we deal with as a man who has a
child walking around in the world that does not have
his father.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
I'm not sure who gets it worse.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
The mother who ends up taking care of the baby
and doing the things that she needs to do to
raise a decent at least human or the father who
was honest that he didn't want it and he ends
up with a child that he's not taking care of.
I want to know who is going to have a
better story when they get to the gates and have
to have a conversation with their Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Well, I mean, if we talking about the lord, then
we're not That's what I'm trying to say. It's not
about right, wrong, good or bad. It's about the common sense.
And that's all I've always broke it down to. Like
I'm not saying, it's just like when I said, a
girl walks down the block and she's naked and somebody
rapes her, she's not responsible. Nobody should rape her. But

(01:43:54):
we still got to understand that they all rapists out
there that will rape you. And if you walk down
to the empty, dark block, the probability of somebody raping
you exists. So why put yourself in a position to
where even and it's no justification nobody should rape you,
is what I'm trying to say. So there's no justification
a man should take care of his children. But if
you are aware that you're dealing with a man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
That ain't, and.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
You're still holding them to this criteria, it's like, I
don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
I just don't. I don't, and I don't think it
benefits the child.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
I think that it's something that you that the mother
has personally made a decision, that you made a decision
that regardless of how it affects you or this child,
that this is how you're going to go about it,
and and when you're dealing with somebody on the other
side that don't give a fuck at all, like how

(01:44:45):
does it benefit you?

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
I don't think it benefits anybody. But I just tell
you one thing I.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Am learning, and also I was saying, is this, if
a woman you don't many men have made babies that
they don't know nothing about, or a woman decided and
they wanted a child, and women wouldn't decided I'm not
having no baby. Never said nothing to them or probably
told them I'm not having a baby. Men deal with
the same shit all the time. We've had to. We've
had to deal with situations where women terminated prayer. I

(01:45:11):
know a nigga that begged the woman to have his
baby should know beg. The beg went to went to
the thing with a please please, and she can't. So
these things happen all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
You know that I talk a lot, So I said
that I wasn't gonna say anything else, but I'll tell
you what I do need to say. It really just
amplifies the idea that God made us to need one
another like we have to have. It's no way for
us to do what you're talking about without both of

(01:45:42):
us being involved in this decision. So it's a lot
of us as women who say we don't need men.
It's a lot of men walking around here like, oh,
these chicks, I don't care. I saw of the man
and they said they're making better dolls for sex. Then
the feeling that he has from the women that he's
been with, I think that's.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Crazy as hell. But nonetheless that's what he said.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
But Rose walking around with the roads, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
First of all, I don't have a role, I said
walking around, But I don't know you walking around.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Mind.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
If you ask me questions, I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Bracking out. I'm telling you, but I ain't worked the roads.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
So but anyway, I'm just saying I would never sit
here and say that any sex toy that I have
ever had in my life was better than Okay, I
guess it is. I'm saying I don't okay, So all
I'm I'm just I'm just saying to you that from
God's perspective, you don'e got me.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
This show has put me in my spiritual bag. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Started with Harrio. From God's perspective, there is no way,
no way at all for us to fulfill what it
is that we are supposed to be doing, which is
to bring forth life and bring forth fruitful life without
one another. So we ought to try to find a
way to get past some of this he and she

(01:47:09):
and what you did and what I did, and what
this and that, and just know that we better figure
it out and we should stop taking advantage of or
not being conscious of what it is that we're doing
with our bodies.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
So that's it, and I mean our with us too,
And believe me.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
I will continue to tell women, I don't even know
why you slept with Bruh, because you know, Brauh ain't nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
I told you that when I met him. You know
what I'm saying. But y'all need to be telling men,
Bruh stop laying down with these women. And you know
you don't want to take care of your kids because
you could do a lot of things in life.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
You could sell some dough, You might be able to
even hurt somebody, right, And I don't agree with any
of that. I'm just saying you could do a lot
of things, but not taking care of your children. That
is something that you will never ever be able to
live down.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
What I'm saying, and I believe you agree. But there's
some men who don't give up.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Well, they will when they look up and figure out
that the rest of their whole life trouble with.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
It's men who haven't took kid a child, and their
life is perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Thinks you just don't know based.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
On the success and everything they live success what.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
You told me earlier. Success don't equal everything does sometimes,
But I'm trying to successful sick. You could be successful
mentally ill, you could be successful lonely.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
You could be successful stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
It's people's true in their mind, in their mind. But
but the some of the bad people think they're winning
and they don't because guess.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
What, It's true.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
There are bad people who win, don't We see that
People die go to their grave with stuff that you
know they did, or people they harmed or whatever, and
they never really it never really appears that they paid
for it. But at the end of the day, what
we know is that sometimes you could just take shit
a little bit too far, Like you need to be

(01:49:01):
humble enough to know I made a mistake, I've done
wrong and I might not be able to fix that,
but I can live everywhere in my life crazy and
not taking care of your kids.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
That's a rough one. I don't believe in that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
But anyway, thank you, good conversation, y'all. Give us your
feedback on this.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
I know this is gonna be one of those controversial topics,
and that's why I wanted to talk about it because
I've been seeing it going on. You know, they had
this situation with Anthony Edwards and his baby mother and
there's been a lot of back and forth above that.
So I just was giving a perspective with the mother
of his child. But that was that, and that brings
us to the end of another episode of TMI. Make

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