June 6, 2025 • 44 mins
In this episode of TMI, hosts Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne discuss the State of the People Power Tour, emphasizing the importance of community engagement and empowerment in the fight for justice. They reflect on the ongoing struggle for justice in the wake of Breonna Taylor's case, the significance of creating a Black agenda, and the challenges posed by recent political changes. The conversation highlights the need for strategic action and unity within the community to ensure that the voices of the people are heard and that their needs are met.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and the ship Boy my Son a general.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are your host of TMI.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Inspiration, New Name, New Energy. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
My song? Leonard uh and Blessed Black and Holly favored
Tamika D. How you feeling were good?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We are in hot Louisville, Kentucky. I think I forgot
how hot Louisville can be.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, I did too, but I bore me a ten
time just in case, so I'm prepared for the weather.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
State of the People Power Tour merch is on sale
at State OFFTHEPPL dot com. For anybody who's checking out
my songs, my sweatshirts, suit swast, just pick up some
merch and help us with the cause. I mean, actually
we didn't fundraised off of the merch, which we shushy
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to use it as an opportunity to help with the tour,
but we just really wanted people to look good and
be able to, you know, feel like they were a
part of something. And so for those of you who
are watching, who are saying, well, what is the state
of the People Power? Who are some months ago, a
number of national voices, leaders, influencers, organizers came together to
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discuss our desire to do something during this period of
time where you know, there are so many of our
people who are like, we're tired, We're frustrated, were just
over all of the nonsense that our communities face. We
told people, for the most part, ninety two percent of
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black women who voted and almost eighty percent of Black
men who voted, We told folks, do not allow this
nation to shift backwards even more than it already has.
I mean, we want to be really clear and acknowledging
that we don't believe America was living up to all
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that it could be, even during the last administration and
many many, many, many many administrations prior to.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
But we knew that.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
In this particular time, forget about Republicans and Democrats, because
this is not about parties as much as it is
about ideology. And I don't believe, and I'm sure you
agreed that the MAGA mentality does not represent our communities,
and we knew that it was not a good idea
for that type of hold to be taken on our
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federal government. And so people are tired, They're like, we
already knew we already told you and you didn't listen
to us. So therefore don't come crying now. But we
also understand, and I think the group that assembled we
understood that, and we understand that we don't really get
the opportunity that we should have to go rest, lay
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down and worry about it later.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The luxury, the luxury there.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You go, that's a good that's grade turn to just
worry about it later. We have to actually stay on
the wall, as they say in the Bible, and continue
to be witnesses of the truth and fighters for justice
and make sure that we don't ever sit down and
allow the world to just happen to us when actually
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we have to fight to make sure that this world
is for our communities. And so with that being said,
we said, what do we do, how do we make
sure that our people that we go and we see
about our people, and we learn from our people, and
we uplift the resources that already exist within communities. And
that's how the State of the People Power Tour came together.
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You know, we'll be hearing shortly excuse me from Angela Rai.
Our DearS is an attorney, Angelo Rai, who is an
an an organizer and a strategist extraordinaire, and she has
really been helping to anchor and keep this tour going.
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So Louisville, Kentucky, where we are now is the tenth city.
It is the tenth city that we have traveled to
over the last several months. And of course Louisville was
incredibly important to us, and I guess you should talk about,
you know, what it meant, because you and Angelo and
I attorney Angelo Pinto, who you'll also hear from, we
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really fought to make sure, not that we had to fight,
because no one pushed back, but we ain't sure that
when we voted on the cities that Louisville was also
one of those cities. And I guess you know you
can talk about.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Why, yeah, you know, just to piggyback off what you said,
you know, this whole tour was just about galvanizing our power.
You know, we realized that a lot of people were
feeling powerless, Like you just keep seeing the you know,
the ads and social media and you see the things
that will be taken away from our communities and the
resources that of being just ripped away from our communities.
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A lot of people were feeling powerless, and we even
had government officials saying that they didn't have power, you know,
and we wanted to reassure our people that they are
powerful and that the power of the people is a
lot stronger than the people that's in power. So we
came to these communities and we picked, like she said,
we picked. We were intentional about picking communities, and we
were intentional about picking Loiso because we had built infrastructure
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and family inside the Losvo community. We knew how strong
the community is. We also knew how much this community
needs resources and how powerful it was. So we wanted
to make sure that we brought the resources that we
had to this community because this community has shown us love.
We had fought for this community, We have fought with
this community, and we loved this community and it's like
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our second home. So we were very intentional when we
said that. And they said what cities are we picking?
Everybody who was saying different names and different cities, and
we said, we gotta go to Loiso, Kentucky, you know.
And I knew it was going to be hot, So
I got my taint top out here and we're gonna
be out here talking to a lot of the local
folks along with national individuals and talk about how do
we galvanize it this time, what is needed in Louis
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woar at this time, because that's one of the things
that we also wanted to talk about. When we picked
out each city, we said that we want to find
out the needs of that city. Right, a lot of
people saying, you know, we do we need this, and
we're gonna do this and we're gonna lead. You can't
lead without the people that you're leading telling you what
they need to be led by. So we came to
this community, and we came to every community, and we're
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putting together our own agenda, and our agenda is gonna
be based on the needs of each community. We're putting
our own agenda because that's what we've been lacking. Right.
We know that we want freedom, we know that we
want justice. We know, but we what does that exactly
look like? Right? When we're looking for leadership and we're
picking our government officials, how do we say this is
We're gonna have our own paper that we sit down
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and say, this is our agenda. Can you fit this agenda?
And that's how we're gonna pick our leaders. You know,
we have to be very strategic because the enemy is FRTIQM.
They are very strategic. When we look at Project twenty
twenty five, they have a complete plan. So our our
answer to Project twenty five is the black papers that
we're creating right now in our black agenda and the
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things that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We need for our community.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Shout out to David.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
John's and organizing doctor David Johnson.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
David Johns. So that's what this is about. It's really
you know, we've been talking about moving, we've been doing marches,
we've been leading, we've been fighting for justice. But I
think it's time for strategy now, right, It's time to
be so much more strategic. Because I'm watching the plan,
I'm like, why these people created a plan for twenty
twenty five and twenty twenty so we behind the eight ball.
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So now we understand what's going on. And we got
young people like Victoria Panel that are lawyers that are
gonna be these are gonna be our next leaders. So
when we create agendas for our leaders and we're building
our next leaders for the next four and five years,
that we're gonna elect leaders that have our agenda at
the forefront.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, and when you were saying about why Louisville is
so important. We love the community, and I think it's
important for people to know that. You know, this is
almost five years to the day that we came to Kentucky.
We're June third today, and it was I believe it
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was one.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
More again.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Actually Memorial Day of twenty twenty. So May of twenty twenty,
Memorial Day was when we first came here to Louisville
and met the family of Brionna Taylor's.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We got a call from Attorney.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Ben Crump earlier in the month of May asking us
to help and to really use the resources and influence
of Until Freedom to bring attention to the story of
Brianna Taylor, and we decided that it was no way
that we could work with this family from a distance
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because one of the things that I noticed when talking
to Tamika Palma, Brianna's mother. I was the first person,
I guess of our team to speak with her, and
what I noticed was that she was very apprehensive. You know,
she was kind of like, yeah, you know, okay, you
say you're gonna help me. It's very nice, but still
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like eh. And so I said, you know what, we've
got to actually go to Kentucky. This is not Unfortunately,
we would not be able to galvanize the type of
interest in a situation involving a young woman killed by police. Unfortunately,
we find that when it is a story about a
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black woman, the community, the people, the same people who
are always on the ground, they don't necessarily come out
and support black women the way in which we would
need people to in order for there to be a
real movement around that young woman and so or that woman.
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And we know that because we've been involved with so
many cases from Pam Turner to what's the a Tatiana Jefferson,
we understand that there's a big difference between how the
community galvanizes for a George Floyd and Ahmad Arby, a
Sean bell Amadou Diallo, a Mike Brown and when it
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comes to young women. So we knew that sitting at home,
posting on social media was not going to get what
we needed done for Breonna Taylor, and therefore we needed
to come to Kentucky. What we didn't know was that
coming here one time would turn into until freedom. Taken
up residency in Louisville and we lived here and during
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the course of that time, we met a lot of people,
some people that we work with still today, some people
who loved us, some people who hated us, hated the
idea that we as outsiders.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Were coming into this community. But I tell you that,
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
What is always helpful is going back and reading your history,
because doctor King faced the same exact accusation and feelings
from some of the communities that he traveled to. When
you know, he was asked why you hear and his
response was that in just a threat to justice anywhere
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is a threat to justice everywhere, and therefore he felt
the need to be in communities no.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Matter who were the local leaders.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Which that doesn't mean you go in and you take
over in people's communities. You learn how to work with
folks and to uplift their voices. And I think that
we have shown until Freedom has shown over time that
that is our tension here in the city of Louisville.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And so we love this city.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Excited to be here shooting our podcast t and Mind.
This is the first time that other than being in.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Our hotel on location, but on location, it's the first.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Time that we have had done our podcast, which Ryan
over there made sure one of the incredible.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Come on Reducer, extraordinary Ryan producer. Sure you got to
come into the can have the interview you will.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You know, Ryan is a producer extraordinaire for the entire
State of the People Power tour. But he was really
really clear that our podcast, all of us, the information
that we're sharing every day, needs to be in live,
live and in person in front of the people.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So there's that.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
So I think that we have a guest who has
joined us when we talk about the importance of Kentucky
right now, Kentucky is sort of ground zero for some
of the recent attacks by Donald Trump. Now, this entire
series that we're working on right now on our podcast
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is about the first one hundred days of the Trump administration.
So we're looking at what has happened over one hundred days,
and today we want to talk about specifically some of
the policies and some of the things that, as you said,
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have been ripped away, torn away from our communities and
how it will impact us.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
When I think about.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
The work that went into the little slither of justice
that was received by Breonna Taylor's family, Tamika Palmer, and
the city of Louisville, Little slither of justice. I think
about how much people had to fight for five years,
fighting with out ceasing being out here day and night, struggling,
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people being arrested. God bless our brother Travis who was killed.
He was a protester, an organize it and just a
beautiful young man. And he was killed while leaving a
protest with a man that he said he would drive home.
The stories go on and on. Yes, there were roses
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that came out of the concrete, but there are stories
of people who lost so much, people who ended up
living on the streets of Louisville fighting for Breonna Taylor
in the heat.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
In COVID, everything was shut down.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
We had to feed one another off of you know,
ordering things from restaurants or a cooking food at home
because restaurants were closed. The supermarket would close down whenever
it wanted to, and it was the only super market
in the West End, which was the Kroger at that time.
Thank god, Kroger is a partner with this effort now
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so we can work through relationships and come out on
the other side. Kroger has provided how many one hundred.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And forty gas cards for the people.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
One hundred and forty gas cards for the people of Louisville.
But when we were here five years ago, Kroger was
shutting down the supermarket at times just because whatever reasons,
it was COVID and people had nowhere to go for
fresh vegetables and fruit.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
We brought in four thousand boxes of food.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Shout out to our brother Trade of Truth, who had
trucks bringing food in from around the country. The work
that went into being able to sustain a movement was
so much, a lot of pain and a lot of sacrifice.
And now you know here we are, please bring us
a chair so we could ask one needed to join us.
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What I was saying was that the work that went
into how you got a little bit of justice not
even enough. And we're going to talk about a little more.
I don't even know if you can look at it
as justice, But there's like a little bit of movement,
if you will, that is under attack, and and I
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feel like that is the story of black folks and
why we get so tired. You know, that's why you
have so many people saying I'm tired, because it's like,
we did all of this and then you come and
the little bit of stuff that we accomplished. We're watching
this administration during this one hundred years, just snash it.
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Excuse me, h, during this these this one it feels
like a hundred year, during these one hundred days, just
strip it away. And so we're joined today by our
dear assistant, who we all see met that weekend, yes,
when we came down Memorial weekend to be with Brianna
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Taylor's family.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
One of the.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
People who we immediately clicked with and knew that it
was more than just you know, just working on a
case together, but that in fact we had found a
family in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It was Attorney Lanita Baker. He's here with us today.
You the only one to get away with the.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Attorney Baker, who will just call her at one more
time and then after that she was just be Laannita.
But Attorney Baker is the family attorney for Breanna Taylor's family.
She still works with the foundation, uh, the Brianna Taylor Foundation.
She at the time was at a different law firm,
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which was Sam Agyar's law firm, where you know, he
got this big case and called Lanita and said it's
on you, sis. The black people were in trouble. Sam
is our white friend. We love Sam, but he knew
to ensure that Lenita, as a black woman specifically, would
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get in there and work with this family. It could
not have happened without the work that Lenita Baker put
into this situation.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And just to show you how brilliant she is.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
And also, we have so many people, not just in
our community but in general who have to get the
credit and hold on to everything. So therefore we can't
even make progress because people are so busy trying to
figure out how to put their names in the spotlight.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
But Lanita said, I know what we need.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We need Attorney Ben Crunk to come to Louisville and
help us to bring this thing to a national level.
She didn't say, well, I'm just gonna work on it
by myself and I ain't gonna call Ben, because you
know Ben comes here, it's gonna take no. She said,
let me call my Frienderney Ben Crump, and you did,
and Ben Crump came here and bought us with him,
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and really we helped all of us together to raise
Brianna Taylor's name to an international level. And so we
thank you for everything that you've done. Attorney Baker has
her own firm now it is called Baker and Westbrook
p L.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Else, I've learning new things.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And so if you are in the Louisville area or
Atlanta in Georgia, not just Atlanta, Georgia. So if you're
in Kentucky or in Georgia and you need an attorney
that works on a wide variety, which you can tell
us about. Attorney Baker is your person integrity, hard work,
long hours, and also resources and you got people.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It is some of your people we're gonna pull up.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Thank you for joining TMI. Attorney Baker, thank you for
having me.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I'm so excited to talk about where we are five
like you said, one hundred years, because it feels like
it's been one hundred years of this administration, but where
we are even five years later, to think that it
was just five years ago, both seeing where we were,
how far we come, but also really examining has ever
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been progress and if there's not been the progress that
we demand as this community, where do we go from here?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It makes one hundred percent sense. And that's why I
want to open up by asking this question. You know,
when we look at what we were trying to perceive,
I mean receive as justice. Right, we didn't get the
justice that we want. We still and we literally still
fighting for justice as we speak right now. But there
was incremental situations that were created, like when there was
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the settlement made, there was ink into that settlement that
they would be changed within the police department and they
would be decent decrees and that.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Was fought for.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
To meek A. Palmer made sure that it wasn't just hey,
we're getting paid for what we actually should because you
can't even pay us for the loss of our daughter's life.
That's impossible to pay that. But we want to assure
that this doesn't happen to anybody else. So talk about that,
and then after you talk about that situation, talk about
what this administration is trying to do now to roll upon.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, so, as you stated, for Tamika Palmer, she could occur.
She could care less about the money, and she'll tell
people like the first time we met, we now laugh
about it. She's like, I didn't like you for the
longest be cause you came in and you were like, well,
I know you want these officers arrested, but I don't
have the power to do that. I will fight to
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try to make that happen. But we're civil attorneys and
we fight about money, and she's like, it was never
about money for her. And I can tell y'all, it
was never about money, Sir Tomika Palmer. And so when
we got to you know, we brought in being and
working with Mayor Fisher, the county attorney Mike O'Connor with
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working with them, the offers for money came fast. And
anyone that practices civil rights law will tell you it
is unheard of that a civil rights case settles within
six months. Even when you look at Minnesota. George Floyd's
civil case took a little bit longer, but even you know,
I think his was maybe right at a year, just
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under a year.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That is still very quick for a civil rights case.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
To give you an example, one of the other cases
that was detailed in the consent decree. And that's what
I don't think people understand is I guess my name
came to rise on brown A.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Taylor's case.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
But I've done a lot of civil rights cases within
this city that people may not know I was, you know,
I mean, it's but one of the other cases was
Tayon Lee, which was the young man that was stopped
for a traffic offense, which brought to like how often
L ANDPD was stopping young black men in the West
End just because they drove a nice car, searching their cars,
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doing everything else that was in the consent decree as well.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That we found that lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
In twenty eighteen, we didn't settle it, I think to
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Three, maybe twenty two. So like that's the real length
of civil rights cases.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
So when we talk about practicing those cases, they're hard,
they're expensive.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
They're gonna fight even when they know they're wrong, They're
still gonna fight, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So with Brianna Taylor's case, I tell people like cause
people asked, and.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Mayor Fisher did what he was supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
As mayor at that time and took accountability for the city.
Like we want to make right me. So when he
came with the financial settlement, I'm like, that's fine and Danny,
but we want to make sure that there are items
O reform built into this. I can say for the
duration of his term, he was committed to the settlement terms.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
That they agreed to.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
We had a follow up meetings with him and his administration,
so we were getting the progress reports that they were
implementing the warning system, which would tell tell the commands,
now this officer, you may need to watch out for
him because he has some like he's got this complaint,
he's got that complaint.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You may need to see he may be right to
our right, So implementing that system.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
They already had it before we even say get the system.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
They already had it. They just had never implemented.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
So they had a policy or an idea whatever rule,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
They purchased the software but didn't use it. Wow, And
so it was like.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Oh, you already have it, So now we got to
implement right, right.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And it was for our officer coming from a different
police department, is it that which was in the George
Floyd Justice and Police and Act, or just for what's
happening in this what had happened here?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So your officers, if there's so many citizens complaints or
another officer pings or says this, or looking at certain
citations and be like, well, these this citation is using
the same language like just to say there.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
May be an issue. You need to watch this oser
a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
So you're writing tickets as an order the tickets are
basically the same and kind of like the same area.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yes, okay, so it's saying this may be an issue.
So they have these things, they're just not so they
purchased an expensive software to never use it. I'm like you, no,
you need to use it likes and this is something
that other departments were using, So we didn't come up
with that. We're like, hey, there's this warning and I
forget the name of the warning system, but if there's
this warning system, we need to get it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
That's like, oh, well we have it. Well, are y'all
using it? Well, no, we've never implemented. Well, if y'all
nobody in your department knows how to implement it, call
to people who know how to and use it.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And so Fisher's administration was committed, and as we know,
politics happened. He turned out, we switch mayors and it
got a little ghosts, little salad, and that's just me men,
honest right.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
We weren't getting the updates that we needed, we want.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And then after the administration changed, we get the consent
decree that came for Earth.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Then the patterns and Practice.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Investigators, Right, that's first, and that's important for people to
understand that you don't get to the consent decree without
the Justice Department doing a full and thorough investigation of
what's happening in the city there, and then they present
you with their findings. Why is that important because some
people will say, Okay, what, No, It's important because it sets.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
A basis, It tells you.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
They go in, they look at patterns, right, they look
at some of the same things that you're talking about
in terms of this software that can zero in on
particular officers. They are looking at cases with in a
particular the police department in general, the surrounding areas. They
go out, they investigate, They have real conversations with people,
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They look back at cases, how many lawsuits, how many settlements,
They look at all of that, and their findings were
that the.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Louiso Metro Police Department engage in a patterns and practices
of discriminating against people of color, people with mental disabilities.
How they investigated domestic balance cases. Our department was very problematic.
There was the issues with the search warrants. There was
the issues with the stopping people without probable calls. So
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many issues that investigation concluded, our dear sister Kristen Clark,
who was the Assistant Attorney General for civil Rights during
the Biden administration. I tell her, like, you're one of
the hardest working women are when it comes to civil rights.
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You want her on your side, and I'm thankful that
she was on our side while she was in that position.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's an appointed role.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Oh you know, once Biden with all longer president, Kristen
was gone. But that investigation concluded in twenty twenty two.
And I because first I telld H, I said it
was twenty twenty three, and then I went back, I said, no,
it was one month after I was It was the
same month I was installed as president a National Bar Association.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So I was like, that was August twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So I don't know while we allowed it to go
from August twenty twenty two to January twenty twenty four,
or the consent decree was signed on the eve of
the presidential When we got that far, I was like
the attorney and me knew that we would end up
here where a Trump administration. I hate seeing his name
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like it took me for la but we're a Trump administry.
Of saying we ain't a bad mat like we don't
care about these consent degrees where I earn them up,
we're not following them, Da da da.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And so on that part.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
We have to take some accountability for allowing our mayor
to string out from August of twenty twenty two to
January twenty twenty five before that consent.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Free I was signed was signed. So can you just
talk really quickly for folks who may not know when
what is the consent decree? It's an agreement, right, So
there can be a patterns in practice investigation that find
has all these findings, but they don't have to issue
a consent degree to the city.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's their discretion.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
They allow them to fix themselves, okay, and in many
cases you will see that, like here's your issues, you
need to fix yourselves. We'll come back to make sure
you did it. But it's not always under that first
But the reason we needed a consent decree was this
was not the first time we had at I forget
the year, but this was twenty twenty two. Was not
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the first time that the Department of Justice found patterns
and practices while with LMPD and I see you know
sister Gracie over there and I like those people who
have been out here in the streets for a long time,
they know this was not the first time, and so
it's like, oh, well, we tried to give you an
opportunity to fix yourselves. You did not fix yourselves. So
now we need this court or consent decree is a
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court order and so it is enforceable. The Department of
Justice can say you're not doing what you need to do.
They can come in and take over the department. So
they didn't go so far as to say we're going
to take over the department to make sure that changes
are made. But they issued the court order. Well, they
tried to issue the court order.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
They tried, they tried, and then and.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Then, as we know, there were some concerns whether or
not the judge would sign it. But we didn't even
have to get to whether or not the judge would
sign it because the Trump Department of Justice said, nope,
we're not doing it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
And I've had some people reach out to me. Attorney
ty Yardborough, I.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Know he was here yesterday. He's out of Maryland and
he was a part of the consent decree that took
place in Maryland.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
After Freddy Grave, after Freddy Grave was.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Murdered, and at that point they had the same situation
where except instead of it being the twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Five, it was what eight years before that.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Twenty eight when the twenty eighteen Trump administration took over
that they tried to remove the The dj did the
exact same thing, but they did an intervene in what's
called an intervening complaint. They brought a plaintiff that said, Nope,
we don't care that the Department of Justice isn't pushing
forward with this consent decree.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We're going to push it forward, push it forward anyway.
The city agreed to it. The city needs pope.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
And so he was yesterday and he was asking me
about that, and I always say, I was like, it's
the resources, right, not saying I don't I don't know
enough about what does this intervening complaint? And I guess
I could go look at what they did in Meryl
at it and figure out how they did it. But
that's when I, like you said, I needed Attorney Crump
to come in and raise like, I need somebody else
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to tell me if there's a process by which we
can have someone step in, and it really needs to
be community because like people always like, oh, Tamika Parmer,
I don't think people realize the burden.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
That sometimes we put on this book. That's right.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I'm like, she's still like you you all know, we're
still going to court. Like over here, we're just praying
that Bret Hankinson don't get part, right, We're still praying
that the other three officers, well one is already Kelly
Gilllet's prick played guilty.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We're hoping that she don't get part.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
We're hoping that the other two, Joshua James and Sergeant Meani,
that they still get tried because we know a whole
bunch of prosecutors, life career prosecutors. If the Department of
Justice Civil Rights Division got let go, that's sir, That's
what I'm like, Who but.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
One of ours distilled?
Speaker 4 (33:07):
There by constill there Anna she's gone on the private practice.
But it's like, we're so Tamika Palmer has her. She's
still fighting for justice for Breonna Taylor in those situations.
So is it fair to say, yes, continue like to
fight for.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
The law changes.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
We have all of these people here like there are
my cliente On Lee wasn't the only one stopped right.
They listed a number of people. We can go to
that consent decree and find any person who was uh
impacted by it and let them be the interviewing plaintiff.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well, look, we have attorney Angela Rye who has joined us,
and we were just having, I mean a really good
conversation with Lanita Tourny Baker learning about out the consent
decree process here and where we are. And I think
a good way for you to jump in, Angela is
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what can people do now?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Because I believe I think you've told me this. I
might be wrong, that the mayor here has the ability
to say, regardless of whether the Trump administration has, you know,
now said that they will not follow the consent decrees,
and they're getting rid of in many cities, not just here,
also in Minneapolis. You know that that court order, as
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you said, but the but the mayor can say, we're
still following what is in this document, you know, So
talk about what you think the community should be fighting
for now. I guess the thing that I would say
first is it has been remarkably shocking to me how
quickly so many of our rights have been rolled back
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in a matter of months under this administration, and I
see the thing that we have to reposition ourselves to
do is understand that where black folks used to go
for support and for protection, which was a federal government
at the Civil Rights Act, Fair Housing Act, the Voting
Rights Act, all of those things are now compromised. The
divisions that protected us, the Civil Rights Division, and all
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of these agents are decimated. They're now saying they're going
to focus more on protecting white male Christians because.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
They are really an attack yard. That is me not
being honest.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
And so I think that we have to now turn
to is all of the places where we've built solid
political power with close who look like us, you know,
at the local level, at the state level.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yesterday, I was drown away by the fact.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
That we had all of the black caucus in Kentucky
at the fili are and the person of Indiana said that.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Caucus is with them. AKA.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
That is not just political power, that's unity us for
doing doing the right thing. So if you can have
all of these folks who have our collected best interest
at heart doing the right thing, then that is now
where we go to for relief.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And that is also where we go to make demands.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Right, these are the things that we want. We elected you,
we pay you, these are the things we expect to see.
And I think it's it's frustrating and it's hurtful, and
I think we've taken our time to breathe. You don't
how much more time it's Can you talk about the
field hearing and how that played a role in the
State of the People power tour here in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Uh, Well, I want to shout.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Out our partner, the Black Legislative Leaders Network, which is
run by our friend Jasper Hendrix. In most cities we
have now had field hearings, and the idea is that
isn't adjacent activity is catch up. It is not directly
an activity that is affiliated with the State of the People,
but as an adjacent activity, we invited legislators in to
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hear from community anders around violence, prevention, around healthcare, around housing,
all of these burious black business, these issues that we
also have featured in our Black Papers Policy initiative. The
idea is that if we hear testimony from the community,
we can now collect this testimony, put it with the
data that we have, with the impact report that we have,
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and really make a solid assessment about what black folks
need to move forward. So your voices matter in that
process as much as they matter in the policy baking
process and in the listening sessions that we have.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And another there's one to may here papers black papers.
That's right, Oh, I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
So yesterday we had several legislators to come to the
rally as well.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Can you talk about these folks.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And you know, I know you and also Sadik Parentals,
our great leader here in the city of Louisville.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Are you guys, do not mince.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Your words around where these legislators need to go, what
they have been doing, what they haven't been doing. So
in this process where they will so much hope around
the consent decree helping to change the culture of policing
here in the state of Kentucky. Right, not just the
city of Louisville, but the state of Kentucky. What do
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you want to see the legislators do? And do you
think that these folks who you have here in your
city can get it done?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Our state legislators, I think are doing a fine job,
but they need help. We're talking about a state where
I think we have eight democrats in our Senate. Now
I think that cows one switched like one just switched
to be a Republican out in the state. So we
have eight in our whole state. What they don't have
an there's nothing they can do right and so so,
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and then our house is just as equally. It's like
three fourths to one fourth, like so anything. Like we
have a great governor, Andy Basher, he will veto something,
but it's like, I'm glad you vetoed it, but we
know they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Override that veto right, so we have to give them help.
And one of the.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Things when I was a National of our Association president
was I had I worked with Holly Holliday, who's going
to be one of our speakers later, to do political
office food counts because I think that we need more
black people, more like minded people. I quit seeing black
people after Daniel Cameron. I did, so, I don't know people,
but more like minded people, not stem folk, because I
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was like, prosecuse, no, we don't know, we don't we
don't need more like him, but we need more like minded,
more ken folk to run for political office and know
what it really means to what that legislative process really
means right and how important it is, and so I
think it's important that we give them help.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
So the state legislators that we have.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I do think are I think our local government is
a mess right now.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
That's just me being honest.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
We have some strong people there, so give a shout
out to the strong people that are there.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But our mayor has shown us who he is.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
And while he did when the consent decree, when when
Trump said they weren't going to heat camp and said,
oh well we're gonna you waited from twenty twenty two
to January to the eve of this man being installed
to sign a consent crew, You've shown us who you are.
He's speaking those words now because he has.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
An election next year. A shud don't be blind about that.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
And at this point we need to figure out who
our mayor is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's right, and that's the stria.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
That's the strategy. So I'm gonna end it with this
one question because we gotta wrap up. But this is
the State of the People Power Tour, and I want
y'all to give something that the people can do in
this moment make them feel impowerished. How can we empower
our people in this moment, with this situation, I think.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It's exactly for me. It's exactly what I just said.
Are people here in Louisville. I'm y'all, I'm born and
raised here. I love y'all. I'm still here, even.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Though I got a firm Kentucky and Georgia, but I'm
still here. I'm right here in will But y'all see
me all the time.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
We gotta figure out who I am am gonna be
like right now, and we gotta put the support behind
that person to make sure that they win next is
they're not going to be running on parties next year.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
So we also got to make sure that because we're
dis interested in the current mayor, because he's not for us,
because we're disinterested in him. But it's not someone that
poses that that's aligned with the other side, that's far right.
That's because we're not paying enough ecusion. So we have
to be unified in that. So we need to unify
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in this city, and we need to put our resources
and our talent and our strategy behind who's going to
be our next mayor.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And it's not me, so don't ask me. He's still
working on That's right.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
I think Maya is what I tell everybody that's volunteered,
even with the tour, and that is to do what
you feel called. I think there's no greater power than that,
Like you're tapping into your gifts, tapping into your talents,
doing what you have to offer the community and knowing
what you can receive back from the community is a
very powerful position to be in. I was doing an
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interview yesterday with the USA Today with Philip He's a
great interviewer, but he kept asking the questions around black voters.
Black voters, black voters. Black people are not singular in
our dimension. We have much more, many more facets to us.
We are black people who are politically empowered if he
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so choose to be. And voting is but one facet
about it is holding people accountable. It is running for office.
It is strategizing with people who can run for office.
It's developing legislative proposals that you know legislators must push
even if they are on the other side of the aisle,
because it's the right thing to do for your commutey
that's sir. I worked for the Congressional Black Caucus and
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one of our founders said, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies,
just for.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Here's them. A round of applauds. You want to thank y'all, JENTI, thank.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Y'all for joining TMI.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
This is the first time that Angela has been on
our show. But that's but you will be back, yes right,
thank you, launch you too.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Thank you, Anita, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Attorney Lanita Baker an attorney Angela Ryan.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
And that's.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
So. That being said, that brings us to the end
of another one about episode. This is our first live episode.
Team to get yourself a lot while thank us. Next,
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Let us know about topics. Tell us you love us,
tell us you hate us? No, you want to know everything.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Wait before you go, we have to tell the folks
of Sentence College.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
No hb SHO. Do you see you here? Louis Bull Kentucky.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Thank you for allowing the State of the people power
to it to be here and for the TMI Show
to be able to use this great, great great HBCU
to talk to folks across the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
We have everything we need in our community.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika Demail. It's not
gonna always be rulable. We will both always and I
mean always, be all that pez
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are your host of TMI.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Inspiration, New Name, New Energy. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
My song? Leonard uh and Blessed Black and Holly favored
Tamika D. How you feeling were good?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We are in hot Louisville, Kentucky. I think I forgot
how hot Louisville can be.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, I did too, but I bore me a ten
time just in case, so I'm prepared for the weather.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
State of the People Power Tour merch is on sale
at State OFFTHEPPL dot com. For anybody who's checking out
my songs, my sweatshirts, suit swast, just pick up some
merch and help us with the cause. I mean, actually
we didn't fundraised off of the merch, which we shushy
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to use it as an opportunity to help with the tour,
but we just really wanted people to look good and
be able to, you know, feel like they were a
part of something. And so for those of you who
are watching, who are saying, well, what is the state
of the People Power? Who are some months ago, a
number of national voices, leaders, influencers, organizers came together to
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discuss our desire to do something during this period of
time where you know, there are so many of our
people who are like, we're tired, We're frustrated, were just
over all of the nonsense that our communities face. We
told people, for the most part, ninety two percent of
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black women who voted and almost eighty percent of Black
men who voted, We told folks, do not allow this
nation to shift backwards even more than it already has.
I mean, we want to be really clear and acknowledging
that we don't believe America was living up to all
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that it could be, even during the last administration and
many many, many, many many administrations prior to.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
But we knew that.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
In this particular time, forget about Republicans and Democrats, because
this is not about parties as much as it is
about ideology. And I don't believe, and I'm sure you
agreed that the MAGA mentality does not represent our communities,
and we knew that it was not a good idea
for that type of hold to be taken on our
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federal government. And so people are tired, They're like, we
already knew we already told you and you didn't listen
to us. So therefore don't come crying now. But we
also understand, and I think the group that assembled we
understood that, and we understand that we don't really get
the opportunity that we should have to go rest, lay
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down and worry about it later.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The luxury, the luxury there.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You go, that's a good that's grade turn to just
worry about it later. We have to actually stay on
the wall, as they say in the Bible, and continue
to be witnesses of the truth and fighters for justice
and make sure that we don't ever sit down and
allow the world to just happen to us when actually
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we have to fight to make sure that this world
is for our communities. And so with that being said,
we said, what do we do, how do we make
sure that our people that we go and we see
about our people, and we learn from our people, and
we uplift the resources that already exist within communities. And
that's how the State of the People Power Tour came together.
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You know, we'll be hearing shortly excuse me from Angela Rai.
Our DearS is an attorney, Angelo Rai, who is an
an an organizer and a strategist extraordinaire, and she has
really been helping to anchor and keep this tour going.
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So Louisville, Kentucky, where we are now is the tenth city.
It is the tenth city that we have traveled to
over the last several months. And of course Louisville was
incredibly important to us, and I guess you should talk about,
you know, what it meant, because you and Angelo and
I attorney Angelo Pinto, who you'll also hear from, we
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really fought to make sure, not that we had to fight,
because no one pushed back, but we ain't sure that
when we voted on the cities that Louisville was also
one of those cities. And I guess you know you
can talk about.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Why, yeah, you know, just to piggyback off what you said,
you know, this whole tour was just about galvanizing our power.
You know, we realized that a lot of people were
feeling powerless, Like you just keep seeing the you know,
the ads and social media and you see the things
that will be taken away from our communities and the
resources that of being just ripped away from our communities.
(05:02):
A lot of people were feeling powerless, and we even
had government officials saying that they didn't have power, you know,
and we wanted to reassure our people that they are
powerful and that the power of the people is a
lot stronger than the people that's in power. So we
came to these communities and we picked, like she said,
we picked. We were intentional about picking communities, and we
were intentional about picking Loiso because we had built infrastructure
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and family inside the Losvo community. We knew how strong
the community is. We also knew how much this community
needs resources and how powerful it was. So we wanted
to make sure that we brought the resources that we
had to this community because this community has shown us love.
We had fought for this community, We have fought with
this community, and we loved this community and it's like
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our second home. So we were very intentional when we
said that. And they said what cities are we picking?
Everybody who was saying different names and different cities, and
we said, we gotta go to Loiso, Kentucky, you know.
And I knew it was going to be hot, So
I got my taint top out here and we're gonna
be out here talking to a lot of the local
folks along with national individuals and talk about how do
we galvanize it this time, what is needed in Louis
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woar at this time, because that's one of the things
that we also wanted to talk about. When we picked
out each city, we said that we want to find
out the needs of that city. Right, a lot of
people saying, you know, we do we need this, and
we're gonna do this and we're gonna lead. You can't
lead without the people that you're leading telling you what
they need to be led by. So we came to
this community, and we came to every community, and we're
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putting together our own agenda, and our agenda is gonna
be based on the needs of each community. We're putting
our own agenda because that's what we've been lacking. Right.
We know that we want freedom, we know that we
want justice. We know, but we what does that exactly
look like? Right? When we're looking for leadership and we're
picking our government officials, how do we say this is
We're gonna have our own paper that we sit down
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and say, this is our agenda. Can you fit this agenda?
And that's how we're gonna pick our leaders. You know,
we have to be very strategic because the enemy is FRTIQM.
They are very strategic. When we look at Project twenty
twenty five, they have a complete plan. So our our
answer to Project twenty five is the black papers that
we're creating right now in our black agenda and the
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things that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We need for our community.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Shout out to David.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
John's and organizing doctor David Johnson.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
David Johns. So that's what this is about. It's really
you know, we've been talking about moving, we've been doing marches,
we've been leading, we've been fighting for justice. But I
think it's time for strategy now, right, It's time to
be so much more strategic. Because I'm watching the plan,
I'm like, why these people created a plan for twenty
twenty five and twenty twenty so we behind the eight ball.
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So now we understand what's going on. And we got
young people like Victoria Panel that are lawyers that are
gonna be these are gonna be our next leaders. So
when we create agendas for our leaders and we're building
our next leaders for the next four and five years,
that we're gonna elect leaders that have our agenda at
the forefront.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, and when you were saying about why Louisville is
so important. We love the community, and I think it's
important for people to know that. You know, this is
almost five years to the day that we came to Kentucky.
We're June third today, and it was I believe it
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was one.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
More again.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Actually Memorial Day of twenty twenty. So May of twenty twenty,
Memorial Day was when we first came here to Louisville
and met the family of Brionna Taylor's.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We got a call from Attorney.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Ben Crump earlier in the month of May asking us
to help and to really use the resources and influence
of Until Freedom to bring attention to the story of
Brianna Taylor, and we decided that it was no way
that we could work with this family from a distance
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because one of the things that I noticed when talking
to Tamika Palma, Brianna's mother. I was the first person,
I guess of our team to speak with her, and
what I noticed was that she was very apprehensive. You know,
she was kind of like, yeah, you know, okay, you
say you're gonna help me. It's very nice, but still
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like eh. And so I said, you know what, we've
got to actually go to Kentucky. This is not Unfortunately,
we would not be able to galvanize the type of
interest in a situation involving a young woman killed by police. Unfortunately,
we find that when it is a story about a
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black woman, the community, the people, the same people who
are always on the ground, they don't necessarily come out
and support black women the way in which we would
need people to in order for there to be a
real movement around that young woman and so or that woman.
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And we know that because we've been involved with so
many cases from Pam Turner to what's the a Tatiana Jefferson,
we understand that there's a big difference between how the
community galvanizes for a George Floyd and Ahmad Arby, a
Sean bell Amadou Diallo, a Mike Brown and when it
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comes to young women. So we knew that sitting at home,
posting on social media was not going to get what
we needed done for Breonna Taylor, and therefore we needed
to come to Kentucky. What we didn't know was that
coming here one time would turn into until freedom. Taken
up residency in Louisville and we lived here and during
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the course of that time, we met a lot of people,
some people that we work with still today, some people
who loved us, some people who hated us, hated the
idea that we as outsiders.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Were coming into this community. But I tell you that,
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
What is always helpful is going back and reading your history,
because doctor King faced the same exact accusation and feelings
from some of the communities that he traveled to. When
you know, he was asked why you hear and his
response was that in just a threat to justice anywhere
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is a threat to justice everywhere, and therefore he felt
the need to be in communities no.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Matter who were the local leaders.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Which that doesn't mean you go in and you take
over in people's communities. You learn how to work with
folks and to uplift their voices. And I think that
we have shown until Freedom has shown over time that
that is our tension here in the city of Louisville.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And so we love this city.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Excited to be here shooting our podcast t and Mind.
This is the first time that other than being in.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Our hotel on location, but on location, it's the first.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Time that we have had done our podcast, which Ryan
over there made sure one of the incredible.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Come on Reducer, extraordinary Ryan producer. Sure you got to
come into the can have the interview you will.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You know, Ryan is a producer extraordinaire for the entire
State of the People Power tour. But he was really
really clear that our podcast, all of us, the information
that we're sharing every day, needs to be in live,
live and in person in front of the people.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So there's that.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
So I think that we have a guest who has
joined us when we talk about the importance of Kentucky
right now, Kentucky is sort of ground zero for some
of the recent attacks by Donald Trump. Now, this entire
series that we're working on right now on our podcast
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is about the first one hundred days of the Trump administration.
So we're looking at what has happened over one hundred days,
and today we want to talk about specifically some of
the policies and some of the things that, as you said,
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have been ripped away, torn away from our communities and
how it will impact us.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
When I think about.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
The work that went into the little slither of justice
that was received by Breonna Taylor's family, Tamika Palmer, and
the city of Louisville, Little slither of justice. I think
about how much people had to fight for five years,
fighting with out ceasing being out here day and night, struggling,
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people being arrested. God bless our brother Travis who was killed.
He was a protester, an organize it and just a
beautiful young man. And he was killed while leaving a
protest with a man that he said he would drive home.
The stories go on and on. Yes, there were roses
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that came out of the concrete, but there are stories
of people who lost so much, people who ended up
living on the streets of Louisville fighting for Breonna Taylor
in the heat.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
In COVID, everything was shut down.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
We had to feed one another off of you know,
ordering things from restaurants or a cooking food at home
because restaurants were closed. The supermarket would close down whenever
it wanted to, and it was the only super market
in the West End, which was the Kroger at that time.
Thank god, Kroger is a partner with this effort now
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so we can work through relationships and come out on
the other side. Kroger has provided how many one hundred.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And forty gas cards for the people.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
One hundred and forty gas cards for the people of Louisville.
But when we were here five years ago, Kroger was
shutting down the supermarket at times just because whatever reasons,
it was COVID and people had nowhere to go for
fresh vegetables and fruit.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
We brought in four thousand boxes of food.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Shout out to our brother Trade of Truth, who had
trucks bringing food in from around the country. The work
that went into being able to sustain a movement was
so much, a lot of pain and a lot of sacrifice.
And now you know here we are, please bring us
a chair so we could ask one needed to join us.
(16:04):
What I was saying was that the work that went
into how you got a little bit of justice not
even enough. And we're going to talk about a little more.
I don't even know if you can look at it
as justice, But there's like a little bit of movement,
if you will, that is under attack, and and I
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feel like that is the story of black folks and
why we get so tired. You know, that's why you
have so many people saying I'm tired, because it's like,
we did all of this and then you come and
the little bit of stuff that we accomplished. We're watching
this administration during this one hundred years, just snash it.
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Excuse me, h, during this these this one it feels
like a hundred year, during these one hundred days, just
strip it away. And so we're joined today by our
dear assistant, who we all see met that weekend, yes,
when we came down Memorial weekend to be with Brianna
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Taylor's family.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
One of the.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
People who we immediately clicked with and knew that it
was more than just you know, just working on a
case together, but that in fact we had found a
family in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It was Attorney Lanita Baker. He's here with us today.
You the only one to get away with the.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Attorney Baker, who will just call her at one more
time and then after that she was just be Laannita.
But Attorney Baker is the family attorney for Breanna Taylor's family.
She still works with the foundation, uh, the Brianna Taylor Foundation.
She at the time was at a different law firm,
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which was Sam Agyar's law firm, where you know, he
got this big case and called Lanita and said it's
on you, sis. The black people were in trouble. Sam
is our white friend. We love Sam, but he knew
to ensure that Lenita, as a black woman specifically, would
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get in there and work with this family. It could
not have happened without the work that Lenita Baker put
into this situation.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And just to show you how brilliant she is.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
And also, we have so many people, not just in
our community but in general who have to get the
credit and hold on to everything. So therefore we can't
even make progress because people are so busy trying to
figure out how to put their names in the spotlight.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
But Lanita said, I know what we need.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We need Attorney Ben Crunk to come to Louisville and
help us to bring this thing to a national level.
She didn't say, well, I'm just gonna work on it
by myself and I ain't gonna call Ben, because you
know Ben comes here, it's gonna take no. She said,
let me call my Frienderney Ben Crump, and you did,
and Ben Crump came here and bought us with him,
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and really we helped all of us together to raise
Brianna Taylor's name to an international level. And so we
thank you for everything that you've done. Attorney Baker has
her own firm now it is called Baker and Westbrook
p L.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Else, I've learning new things.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And so if you are in the Louisville area or
Atlanta in Georgia, not just Atlanta, Georgia. So if you're
in Kentucky or in Georgia and you need an attorney
that works on a wide variety, which you can tell
us about. Attorney Baker is your person integrity, hard work,
long hours, and also resources and you got people.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It is some of your people we're gonna pull up.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Thank you for joining TMI. Attorney Baker, thank you for
having me.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I'm so excited to talk about where we are five
like you said, one hundred years, because it feels like
it's been one hundred years of this administration, but where
we are even five years later, to think that it
was just five years ago, both seeing where we were,
how far we come, but also really examining has ever
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been progress and if there's not been the progress that
we demand as this community, where do we go from here?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It makes one hundred percent sense. And that's why I
want to open up by asking this question. You know,
when we look at what we were trying to perceive,
I mean receive as justice. Right, we didn't get the
justice that we want. We still and we literally still
fighting for justice as we speak right now. But there
was incremental situations that were created, like when there was
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the settlement made, there was ink into that settlement that
they would be changed within the police department and they
would be decent decrees and that.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Was fought for.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
To meek A. Palmer made sure that it wasn't just hey,
we're getting paid for what we actually should because you
can't even pay us for the loss of our daughter's life.
That's impossible to pay that. But we want to assure
that this doesn't happen to anybody else. So talk about that,
and then after you talk about that situation, talk about
what this administration is trying to do now to roll upon.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, so, as you stated, for Tamika Palmer, she could occur.
She could care less about the money, and she'll tell
people like the first time we met, we now laugh
about it. She's like, I didn't like you for the
longest be cause you came in and you were like, well,
I know you want these officers arrested, but I don't
have the power to do that. I will fight to
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try to make that happen. But we're civil attorneys and
we fight about money, and she's like, it was never
about money for her. And I can tell y'all, it
was never about money, Sir Tomika Palmer. And so when
we got to you know, we brought in being and
working with Mayor Fisher, the county attorney Mike O'Connor with
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working with them, the offers for money came fast. And
anyone that practices civil rights law will tell you it
is unheard of that a civil rights case settles within
six months. Even when you look at Minnesota. George Floyd's
civil case took a little bit longer, but even you know,
I think his was maybe right at a year, just
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under a year.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That is still very quick for a civil rights case.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
To give you an example, one of the other cases
that was detailed in the consent decree. And that's what
I don't think people understand is I guess my name
came to rise on brown A.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Taylor's case.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
But I've done a lot of civil rights cases within
this city that people may not know I was, you know,
I mean, it's but one of the other cases was
Tayon Lee, which was the young man that was stopped
for a traffic offense, which brought to like how often
L ANDPD was stopping young black men in the West
End just because they drove a nice car, searching their cars,
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doing everything else that was in the consent decree as well.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That we found that lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
In twenty eighteen, we didn't settle it, I think to
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Three, maybe twenty two. So like that's the real length
of civil rights cases.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
So when we talk about practicing those cases, they're hard,
they're expensive.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
They're gonna fight even when they know they're wrong, They're
still gonna fight, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So with Brianna Taylor's case, I tell people like cause
people asked, and.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Mayor Fisher did what he was supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
As mayor at that time and took accountability for the city.
Like we want to make right me. So when he
came with the financial settlement, I'm like, that's fine and Danny,
but we want to make sure that there are items
O reform built into this. I can say for the
duration of his term, he was committed to the settlement terms.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
That they agreed to.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
We had a follow up meetings with him and his administration,
so we were getting the progress reports that they were
implementing the warning system, which would tell tell the commands,
now this officer, you may need to watch out for
him because he has some like he's got this complaint,
he's got that complaint.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You may need to see he may be right to
our right, So implementing that system.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
They already had it before we even say get the system.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
They already had it. They just had never implemented.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
So they had a policy or an idea whatever rule,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
They purchased the software but didn't use it. Wow, And
so it was like.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Oh, you already have it, So now we got to
implement right, right.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And it was for our officer coming from a different
police department, is it that which was in the George
Floyd Justice and Police and Act, or just for what's
happening in this what had happened here?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So your officers, if there's so many citizens complaints or
another officer pings or says this, or looking at certain
citations and be like, well, these this citation is using
the same language like just to say there.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
May be an issue. You need to watch this oser
a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
So you're writing tickets as an order the tickets are
basically the same and kind of like the same area.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yes, okay, so it's saying this may be an issue.
So they have these things, they're just not so they
purchased an expensive software to never use it. I'm like you, no,
you need to use it likes and this is something
that other departments were using, So we didn't come up
with that. We're like, hey, there's this warning and I
forget the name of the warning system, but if there's
this warning system, we need to get it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
That's like, oh, well we have it. Well, are y'all
using it? Well, no, we've never implemented. Well, if y'all
nobody in your department knows how to implement it, call
to people who know how to and use it.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And so Fisher's administration was committed, and as we know,
politics happened. He turned out, we switch mayors and it
got a little ghosts, little salad, and that's just me men,
honest right.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
We weren't getting the updates that we needed, we want.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And then after the administration changed, we get the consent
decree that came for Earth.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Then the patterns and Practice.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Investigators, Right, that's first, and that's important for people to
understand that you don't get to the consent decree without
the Justice Department doing a full and thorough investigation of
what's happening in the city there, and then they present
you with their findings. Why is that important because some
people will say, Okay, what, No, It's important because it sets.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
A basis, It tells you.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
They go in, they look at patterns, right, they look
at some of the same things that you're talking about
in terms of this software that can zero in on
particular officers. They are looking at cases with in a
particular the police department in general, the surrounding areas. They
go out, they investigate, They have real conversations with people,
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They look back at cases, how many lawsuits, how many settlements,
They look at all of that, and their findings were
that the.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Louiso Metro Police Department engage in a patterns and practices
of discriminating against people of color, people with mental disabilities.
How they investigated domestic balance cases. Our department was very problematic.
There was the issues with the search warrants. There was
the issues with the stopping people without probable calls. So
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many issues that investigation concluded, our dear sister Kristen Clark,
who was the Assistant Attorney General for civil Rights during
the Biden administration. I tell her, like, you're one of
the hardest working women are when it comes to civil rights.
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You want her on your side, and I'm thankful that
she was on our side while she was in that position.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's an appointed role.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Oh you know, once Biden with all longer president, Kristen
was gone. But that investigation concluded in twenty twenty two.
And I because first I telld H, I said it
was twenty twenty three, and then I went back, I said, no,
it was one month after I was It was the
same month I was installed as president a National Bar Association.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So I was like, that was August twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So I don't know while we allowed it to go
from August twenty twenty two to January twenty twenty four,
or the consent decree was signed on the eve of
the presidential When we got that far, I was like
the attorney and me knew that we would end up
here where a Trump administration. I hate seeing his name
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like it took me for la but we're a Trump administry.
Of saying we ain't a bad mat like we don't
care about these consent degrees where I earn them up,
we're not following them, Da da da.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And so on that part.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
We have to take some accountability for allowing our mayor
to string out from August of twenty twenty two to
January twenty twenty five before that consent.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Free I was signed was signed. So can you just
talk really quickly for folks who may not know when
what is the consent decree? It's an agreement, right, So
there can be a patterns in practice investigation that find
has all these findings, but they don't have to issue
a consent degree to the city.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's their discretion.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
They allow them to fix themselves, okay, and in many
cases you will see that, like here's your issues, you
need to fix yourselves. We'll come back to make sure
you did it. But it's not always under that first
But the reason we needed a consent decree was this
was not the first time we had at I forget
the year, but this was twenty twenty two. Was not
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the first time that the Department of Justice found patterns
and practices while with LMPD and I see you know
sister Gracie over there and I like those people who
have been out here in the streets for a long time,
they know this was not the first time, and so
it's like, oh, well, we tried to give you an
opportunity to fix yourselves. You did not fix yourselves. So
now we need this court or consent decree is a
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court order and so it is enforceable. The Department of
Justice can say you're not doing what you need to do.
They can come in and take over the department. So
they didn't go so far as to say we're going
to take over the department to make sure that changes
are made. But they issued the court order. Well, they
tried to issue the court order.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
They tried, they tried, and then and.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Then, as we know, there were some concerns whether or
not the judge would sign it. But we didn't even
have to get to whether or not the judge would
sign it because the Trump Department of Justice said, nope,
we're not doing it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
And I've had some people reach out to me. Attorney
ty Yardborough, I.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Know he was here yesterday. He's out of Maryland and
he was a part of the consent decree that took
place in Maryland.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
After Freddy Grave, after Freddy Grave was.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Murdered, and at that point they had the same situation
where except instead of it being the twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Five, it was what eight years before that.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Twenty eight when the twenty eighteen Trump administration took over
that they tried to remove the The dj did the
exact same thing, but they did an intervene in what's
called an intervening complaint. They brought a plaintiff that said, Nope,
we don't care that the Department of Justice isn't pushing
forward with this consent decree.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We're going to push it forward, push it forward anyway.
The city agreed to it. The city needs pope.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
And so he was yesterday and he was asking me
about that, and I always say, I was like, it's
the resources, right, not saying I don't I don't know
enough about what does this intervening complaint? And I guess
I could go look at what they did in Meryl
at it and figure out how they did it. But
that's when I, like you said, I needed Attorney Crump
to come in and raise like, I need somebody else
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to tell me if there's a process by which we
can have someone step in, and it really needs to
be community because like people always like, oh, Tamika Parmer,
I don't think people realize the burden.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
That sometimes we put on this book. That's right.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I'm like, she's still like you you all know, we're
still going to court. Like over here, we're just praying
that Bret Hankinson don't get part, right, We're still praying
that the other three officers, well one is already Kelly
Gilllet's prick played guilty.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We're hoping that she don't get part.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
We're hoping that the other two, Joshua James and Sergeant Meani,
that they still get tried because we know a whole
bunch of prosecutors, life career prosecutors. If the Department of
Justice Civil Rights Division got let go, that's sir, That's
what I'm like, Who but.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
One of ours distilled?
Speaker 4 (33:07):
There by constill there Anna she's gone on the private practice.
But it's like, we're so Tamika Palmer has her. She's
still fighting for justice for Breonna Taylor in those situations.
So is it fair to say, yes, continue like to
fight for.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
The law changes.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
We have all of these people here like there are
my cliente On Lee wasn't the only one stopped right.
They listed a number of people. We can go to
that consent decree and find any person who was uh
impacted by it and let them be the interviewing plaintiff.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well, look, we have attorney Angela Rye who has joined us,
and we were just having, I mean a really good
conversation with Lanita Tourny Baker learning about out the consent
decree process here and where we are. And I think
a good way for you to jump in, Angela is
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what can people do now?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Because I believe I think you've told me this. I
might be wrong, that the mayor here has the ability
to say, regardless of whether the Trump administration has, you know,
now said that they will not follow the consent decrees,
and they're getting rid of in many cities, not just here,
also in Minneapolis. You know that that court order, as
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you said, but the but the mayor can say, we're
still following what is in this document, you know, So
talk about what you think the community should be fighting
for now. I guess the thing that I would say
first is it has been remarkably shocking to me how
quickly so many of our rights have been rolled back
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in a matter of months under this administration, and I
see the thing that we have to reposition ourselves to
do is understand that where black folks used to go
for support and for protection, which was a federal government
at the Civil Rights Act, Fair Housing Act, the Voting
Rights Act, all of those things are now compromised. The
divisions that protected us, the Civil Rights Division, and all
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of these agents are decimated. They're now saying they're going
to focus more on protecting white male Christians because.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
They are really an attack yard. That is me not
being honest.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
And so I think that we have to now turn
to is all of the places where we've built solid
political power with close who look like us, you know,
at the local level, at the state level.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yesterday, I was drown away by the fact.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
That we had all of the black caucus in Kentucky
at the fili are and the person of Indiana said that.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Caucus is with them. AKA.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
That is not just political power, that's unity us for
doing doing the right thing. So if you can have
all of these folks who have our collected best interest
at heart doing the right thing, then that is now
where we go to for relief.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And that is also where we go to make demands.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Right, these are the things that we want. We elected you,
we pay you, these are the things we expect to see.
And I think it's it's frustrating and it's hurtful, and
I think we've taken our time to breathe. You don't
how much more time it's Can you talk about the
field hearing and how that played a role in the
State of the People power tour here in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Uh, Well, I want to shout.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Out our partner, the Black Legislative Leaders Network, which is
run by our friend Jasper Hendrix. In most cities we
have now had field hearings, and the idea is that
isn't adjacent activity is catch up. It is not directly
an activity that is affiliated with the State of the People,
but as an adjacent activity, we invited legislators in to
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hear from community anders around violence, prevention, around healthcare, around housing,
all of these burious black business, these issues that we
also have featured in our Black Papers Policy initiative. The
idea is that if we hear testimony from the community,
we can now collect this testimony, put it with the
data that we have, with the impact report that we have,
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and really make a solid assessment about what black folks
need to move forward. So your voices matter in that
process as much as they matter in the policy baking
process and in the listening sessions that we have.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And another there's one to may here papers black papers.
That's right, Oh, I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
So yesterday we had several legislators to come to the
rally as well.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Can you talk about these folks.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And you know, I know you and also Sadik Parentals,
our great leader here in the city of Louisville.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Are you guys, do not mince.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Your words around where these legislators need to go, what
they have been doing, what they haven't been doing. So
in this process where they will so much hope around
the consent decree helping to change the culture of policing
here in the state of Kentucky. Right, not just the
city of Louisville, but the state of Kentucky. What do
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you want to see the legislators do? And do you
think that these folks who you have here in your
city can get it done?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Our state legislators, I think are doing a fine job,
but they need help. We're talking about a state where
I think we have eight democrats in our Senate. Now
I think that cows one switched like one just switched
to be a Republican out in the state. So we
have eight in our whole state. What they don't have
an there's nothing they can do right and so so,
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and then our house is just as equally. It's like
three fourths to one fourth, like so anything. Like we
have a great governor, Andy Basher, he will veto something,
but it's like, I'm glad you vetoed it, but we
know they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Override that veto right, so we have to give them help.
And one of the.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Things when I was a National of our Association president
was I had I worked with Holly Holliday, who's going
to be one of our speakers later, to do political
office food counts because I think that we need more
black people, more like minded people. I quit seeing black
people after Daniel Cameron. I did, so, I don't know people,
but more like minded people, not stem folk, because I
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was like, prosecuse, no, we don't know, we don't we
don't need more like him, but we need more like minded,
more ken folk to run for political office and know
what it really means to what that legislative process really
means right and how important it is, and so I
think it's important that we give them help.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
So the state legislators that we have.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I do think are I think our local government is
a mess right now.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
That's just me being honest.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
We have some strong people there, so give a shout
out to the strong people that are there.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But our mayor has shown us who he is.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
And while he did when the consent decree, when when
Trump said they weren't going to heat camp and said,
oh well we're gonna you waited from twenty twenty two
to January to the eve of this man being installed
to sign a consent crew, You've shown us who you are.
He's speaking those words now because he has.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
An election next year. A shud don't be blind about that.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
And at this point we need to figure out who
our mayor is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's right, and that's the stria.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
That's the strategy. So I'm gonna end it with this
one question because we gotta wrap up. But this is
the State of the People Power Tour, and I want
y'all to give something that the people can do in
this moment make them feel impowerished. How can we empower
our people in this moment, with this situation, I think.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It's exactly for me. It's exactly what I just said.
Are people here in Louisville. I'm y'all, I'm born and
raised here. I love y'all. I'm still here, even.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Though I got a firm Kentucky and Georgia, but I'm
still here. I'm right here in will But y'all see
me all the time.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
We gotta figure out who I am am gonna be
like right now, and we gotta put the support behind
that person to make sure that they win next is
they're not going to be running on parties next year.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
So we also got to make sure that because we're
dis interested in the current mayor, because he's not for us,
because we're disinterested in him. But it's not someone that
poses that that's aligned with the other side, that's far right.
That's because we're not paying enough ecusion. So we have
to be unified in that. So we need to unify
(41:23):
in this city, and we need to put our resources
and our talent and our strategy behind who's going to
be our next mayor.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And it's not me, so don't ask me. He's still
working on That's right.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
I think Maya is what I tell everybody that's volunteered,
even with the tour, and that is to do what
you feel called. I think there's no greater power than that,
Like you're tapping into your gifts, tapping into your talents,
doing what you have to offer the community and knowing
what you can receive back from the community is a
very powerful position to be in. I was doing an
(41:57):
interview yesterday with the USA Today with Philip He's a
great interviewer, but he kept asking the questions around black voters.
Black voters, black voters. Black people are not singular in
our dimension. We have much more, many more facets to us.
We are black people who are politically empowered if he
(42:21):
so choose to be. And voting is but one facet
about it is holding people accountable. It is running for office.
It is strategizing with people who can run for office.
It's developing legislative proposals that you know legislators must push
even if they are on the other side of the aisle,
because it's the right thing to do for your commutey
that's sir. I worked for the Congressional Black Caucus and
(42:42):
one of our founders said, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies,
just for.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Here's them. A round of applauds. You want to thank y'all, JENTI, thank.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Y'all for joining TMI.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
This is the first time that Angela has been on
our show. But that's but you will be back, yes right,
thank you, launch you too.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Thank you, Anita, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Attorney Lanita Baker an attorney Angela Ryan.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
And that's.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
So. That being said, that brings us to the end
of another one about episode. This is our first live episode.
Team to get yourself a lot while thank us. Next,
so you follow us on Instagram at t m I
Underscore Show, who follow us on YouTube and t m
I Show PCs. We are another one outcasts of the world.
(43:41):
Did us know who y'all wanted us to talk to you?
Let us know about topics. Tell us you love us,
tell us you hate us? No, you want to know everything.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Wait before you go, we have to tell the folks
of Sentence College.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
No hb SHO. Do you see you here? Louis Bull Kentucky.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Thank you for allowing the State of the people power
to it to be here and for the TMI Show
to be able to use this great, great great HBCU
to talk to folks across the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
We have everything we need in our community.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika Demail. It's not
gonna always be rulable. We will both always and I
mean always, be all that pez
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