June 13, 2025 • 59 mins
Tamika and Mysonne are stil live from Kentucky for discuss the State of the People Power Tour, emphasizing the importance of community engagement and empowerment in the fight for justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D. Mallory and it's your boy my son
in general, we are your host of TMI.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
New Name, New Energy. But you are watching the TMI
show the State of the People Power Tour edition and yes, for.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This edition, we have been live from Louisville, Kentucky in
Simmons College, the historical HBCU.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rest of all, this is so exciting to me that
we have our show TMI live in Louisville, Kentucky with
the people of Louisville.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Get yourselves a round of applause for being there. Today's Yes,
this is so called.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's like our first time really being live on location.
Usually we're in studios or you know, somewhere with a
laptop trying to figure out the light taking off the
shade and the hotel and you know, setting up. But
this time today, Bryan, who is our super producer for
the State of the People Power Tour, convinced us that
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we need to be live and in person. And of
course my son said absolutely because I've been telling her
that all of them I am, but you know I
have mind. The women you gotta listen to the men sometimes,
but today we are joined by our brothers. We usually
say friends to T and I because all on our
shows we always have our friends. And one time people
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got mad at us and say, why y'all always have
your friends, Why y'all don't interview other people that's not
your friend? And we say, because if we don't like you,
we don't have to have you on our show.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
That's why we got our own shoe to interview the
people we like.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's why we got our show. Get you a show
that's rick at whoever you want. But these are not
our friends. These are our brother's blood.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Couldn't make us any closer and make us love one
another anymore. Our brother, Pastor Michael McBride, who is the
executive director of Live Free but also the co founder
of the Black Church Pack, and he is our pre
eminent leader. We will talk more about that. He doesn't
he's so humble when we say it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
He doesn't want to own it. But every problem that
we have if his strategy that we need.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Every solution that you see us working through, Pastor McBride
is at the table helping to be a thought leader,
helping to get people paid when they have nothing, you
have no money. If the white folks attack us, one
person that's gonna have a check for you to do
something is Pastor Mike McBride. He's also an incredible fundraiser,
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well respected across this nation. If you don't he's one
of those leaders you don't know, but he is, you should, truly,
you should absolutely know Pastor Mike McBride. And then our
brother Tef Poe, who is an artist, one of the
dopest lyricists in our nation, in our world, a true
advocate for social justice. He was on the ground in Ferguson,
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one of the leaders out there who was tear gassed
and attacked by the system. He has been labeled a
dangerous man in the in the city.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So that's good. That's those are.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
That's what we like.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
That's what we like. Don't say that whatever dangerous to
the system is revolutionary love for us, sir, That's what
we have.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Some some some in this dangerous to the city to
the system, are dangerous to us too, but they really
labeled to that because Teppo is so powerful, and let
me tell you he's the founder of Crow Life.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But he is also doing something right now that.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Is extremely important and one of the reasons why we
wanted to hear from you today, TEP. He is currently
working with a group that has is calling itself the
People's Response in Louisiana. Now let me just I mean,
excuse me in Saint Saint Saint Louis. I don't know,
y'all gotta help me sometimes in Saint Louis.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And the reason.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Why it's so important to have you here, TEP, because
in this moment, you look wonderful, you know, nice and
cleaned up and looking good. But just last week I
saw you with looking like you had dust from the
top of your head to the bottom of your feet,
because you've been out there in the rubble, literally with
the people, trying to make sure that the resources that
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our community deserves gets to our people because we can't
depend on the federal government to help black folks in
the middle of a natural disaster, and in fact, some
of the white folks ain't getting no help either right now,
which is a whole other thing. So I think TEP
will start with you what's been happening in your city,
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and let's talk about the disparities there, what you're seeing,
and how you've been getting resources in.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
So for folks that don't know, and that's three tornado
through Black.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
At the highest that you can have for F five.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
F three went right through the heart of the black
portion of the city. Some white folks was effected, of course,
but if you live in Tornado Alley, Tornado Lane, whatever
they call it, we typically believe that the tornadoes and
the twists can't land in the city. So we don't
even go into basement. We don't even when we hear
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the sirens go off. We don't really react the way
that we probably should react to it. But in this case,
I'm being very vocal about it because some things went
down there weren't necessarily the people's fault. The white person
who was supposed to push the button to let us
know that the tornado land didn't push the butt. People
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think I take stuff a little bit too far, but
I can almost guarantee you that person voted with our
trumpets with So when we try to connect the dots
on things, that too quick to call the conspiracy when
sometimes it's just bam. So I went out that night
that the tornado landed, and I just saw portions of
my city looking like in a pockets, you know what
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I'm saying. I saw families displaced, and I kind of
knew I was gonna be involved home Way or the other.
So I started working with two winning Kaylor Reed and
the sister main ohom ashon singles and for the culture,
and they put together quick plan to try to be
the people's response to the moment.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
It was a very simple operation and then it just scaled.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Up to something massive where some days I feel like
we out there literally rebuilding the ghetto. Wow, saying there's
times where me and my partners are negotiating with the
street games to let spire come down the street, you know,
let the gas company come in. I think this is
important to note because we just had an election a
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few weeks before this storm hat and in my umble opinion,
people who came in with this current administration, this was
a part of their clan in to displace and relocate
black folks in the city of Saint Louis. They just
had an act of God that's helping expediate the process.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Wow. So I think we have like.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Basically the grounds for like what I would consider like
a political and the ideological civil wars. Saint looks right now,
people who believe that we have to defee our birth right,
which is the West side and the North side of
Saint Louis, at all costs. And people who kind of
feel like, hey, a little gentrification might might be helped.
It might it might fix things that couldn't be fixed.
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So those are the fights that we're fighting right now,
helping the rebuild the ghetto, get the resources to our people,
and the race the narrative about what's really happening.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So and what is this administration done in Saint Louis?
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Sins this happened. I mean, you know better than most.
I'm a war time so.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
I always say call me when it's gangster, don't calling
me when y'adge just out there passing now teddybirds gonna
call me when you call me when his wreath. So
I feel like the reality of the situation is is
real real. You got thousands of teenagers misplaced, those streets,
of people living under tents right now. And to answer
the question, what is the administration that I don't know?
Speaker 6 (08:18):
You know what I'm saying. She won't TV a crid.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
She's worked across the aisle with some traditional institutional groups,
but times like this you need unconventional tactics, and that's
where the capacity of the state is always limited when
it costs to black people and my people. If this
was white folks, they would have figured out how to
do more than get some free bottle water. You know
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what I'm saying, like I'm loading trucks with eight year
old kids if I'm telling the truth, you know, like
it's eight year old boys just gonna remember, like, hey,
I helped fight that fight to say this community. They
use the chat GPT standard response, do not self deployed,
do not you know they I could tell somebody down
there and know how to use Google on chat GPT,
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So they putting out a bunch of chat GPT nature
things about what to do in the natural disaster. But
most of the relief efforts come from Black people having
common sense about Sabbat, knowing we gotta work together, knowing
wey'tall put our political differences to the stop. And that's
what I feel is happening right now too for the city.
That's beautiful about it. It's that black folk from a
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brown who traditionally had to work together saying, hey, bro,
you bring your group being y'all do this my group,
do this, yo group, do this, your group do this.
It's kind of like we running our own shadow government
in Black Samians right now.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Wow, So I heard that you said you talked about displacement,
and I heard that people are even being displaced from
the tents, like they're shutting down certain areas so they
just so where are folks supposed to go?
Speaker 7 (09:49):
It's a humanitarian crisis that, in my opinion, black woman
was in leadership. If we still had to charge all
of our first black woman mayor, man, they would be
down there trying to her out of Sea Hall.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
And I think that.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Ah, so don't don't skip too quick past that, because
that's serious. What you just said is that if to
shar Jones, the black woman who was the mayor who
was just defeated by a white.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Woman, corporate republic craft.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Right there, a republic that's leaving it to have to
come up with a word to call us. So if that, if,
if if it was to shar Jones there, you're saying
that even our community would be down there calling all
kind of names and tearing down the walls of city
Hall because she's not being responsive. You know what I'm
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saying is it because people are just too traumatized, or
you think it's just that we just have a thing
about white folks, that we let white folks get away
with murder literally.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Fact, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
So we got it for the sisters, but we don't
got it for the white women or passion for them.
We let them go on TV and cry like the
st on the streets and they a' getting paycheck to
fix might put a gun to that woman head and
say it. She chose to do that, her narcissism, so put.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Her in power.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
So now you got to make the call, you know
what I'm saying. And it's rigal, like people dying. I know,
grown men looking up in the roof right looking in
their living room right now. They don't got no roof
rain coming in. I don't know what they're gonna do.
I'm in the backyard helping homeboys move trees. You connected
me with trade of truth. He helping me cut stuff down,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like I am
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more upset than I'm showing because I can't really show
how upset I.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Am because people call me the logical black.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
But I'm deeply upset by seeing grandmothers say they don't
know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I'm heaply upset by the fact that I've been s
been in.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Three four weeks in my life and I ain't loaded
a damn truck with a politician yet.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Wow, you feel me.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
I've been out there loading trucks, unloading trucks, going to
people's houses. And I'm not saying I'm Superman or like that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You're Superman Brother, You're Superman Sat.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
He's Superman Sat.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
But at some point, when do they need us on
the terrain?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Everybody want us. It's the politicals to be governize people
to vote.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
We do it when we can, but we got real
responses that people need to have human responses too, Real
things that people need to have human responses, And I
just don't see.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
It in local governments. Pay other men as much as
we should. I know that.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Trump is the impedient problem of the whole fricking world
at this point, right, But where are the men and
women with heart on the local level. Where are the
people who ain't taking Where are the people who ain't going?
Like salt Walker said, everybody ain't going. I'm looking for
the people who ain't.
Speaker 9 (12:51):
Yeah, you know, I think these tragedies expose the class
divisions within our own community. You know what I mean,
because all across the country we're seeing a version, maybe
not a literal tornado hitting every neighborhood, but we have
a existential tornado that's hitting our communities, and the federal
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government is making very clear that we are on our
own at various parts of our experience. Even under democratic leadership,
we still be on our own. We just don't think
it because people grin and invite us to the White
House and invite us to their parties and give us,
you know, a dollar out of you know, ten dollars
of their budget, and we feel less desperate. But the
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reality is, poor black people in our communities are catching hell.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
No matter who's in office.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
They catch a hell, no matter who's they pastor they
catch a hell no matter who's they boss.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
And the question we have to.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
Ask ourselves among the community state of the people power
to it right, We're trying.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
To ask ourselves, are we going to do what.
Speaker 9 (13:57):
Is necessary to meet the existential tornado that visits our
communities regular and many of us who have means have
to ask ourselves what are we willing to do to
extend ourselves right to those who are hurting? Jesus always
commands us to care for the least of these, which
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means that there are some of us who.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Aren't the least of these.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
There is not enough money to pay everybody for the
liberation of black people in this country. Some of us
got to wake up every day and do something more
than what we're doing right now. Free and for free, well,
for free from a financial position, but freedom of liberation
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is priceless. It's priceless when.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
You smell free. That's why we was at first in together.
We used to say, man, been out there getting tear
gas and our haircracked.
Speaker 9 (14:53):
Was the most freeing moment. That love's so intoxicating, you
know what I'm saying. Hundreds of black people.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Outside, we were saying that test.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
It's like.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
He rather be in the house, but never was there.
How was that about?
Speaker 10 (15:10):
Right?
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Nah?
Speaker 9 (15:11):
I mean, there's something about freedom, fighting for freedom, pushing
against the system.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Right.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
It is hard to do it without breaks and without
some rhythm of care. But we have to realize that
we are in a state of existential crisis.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Trump is the great kind of caricature of that.
Speaker 9 (15:32):
But here in Louisville, in places of the Midwest and
the South, we know that we got all kinds of
systems of power that are praying on us right. If
Trump was not here, they'd still be praying on us right.
And so Trump is giving us an opportunity to clarify
the wickedness and the evil of this existential crisis we
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we're in. But we got to do something more than
what we're doing. And I think it's up to us.
While we're doing this too, we're trying to rally ourselves
together and say that everything we need as a community
is within our community. We just have to align ourselves.
We have to strategize reminding ourselves we've always been the
minority in this country, but every great gain for freedom
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and civil rights has come from the minority population of
black people in this country. And if this country is
gonna be said, it's gonna because black people do what
we always do save ourselves, or by extension, the country
will continue to survive.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I ain't even I had a question, but you you
pretty much answered the whole question of my bad and
everything Jesus I do have.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Of course, Jay, because we're talking today about the first
one hundred days, the sign and you know, the the
gun violence prevention resources around this nation.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It doesn't just keep us.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
See, I think that there is this misconception by some
of these white folks that all they're going.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
To do is create chaos in.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Our own communities by pulling gun violence prevention.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Resources from us.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
They don't know that those resources keep them safe as well,
because once some of the people who prey on our communities,
once they get through with taking whatever they can from
us and terrorizing us, they move to wherever else they
can go, right, Because that's just the reality, I say
some of them, We're not going to give them that.
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All they're hurting and they have they lack resources. Some
people just pray on our communities that look like them, sure, period.
And then there are others who, because of desperation, they
turn to means that you know, are dangerous for all
of us, and we try to help them. I think
about somebody like Erika Ford and Queens, who just lost
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two million dollars of her budget with the Trump You
you know the name of the what was the the
no not the say, what was the name of the
Biden administration. So Sam the Stafer Communities Act under that
has now been disbanded, right from in the show.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Well, they've they've clawed the money.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The funds out of it, and and the Trunk administration
they were very specific about why. They didn't say, well
we just you know, it's just waste. They didn't say that.
They said that violence prevention, money, addiction prevention, and criminal
justice reform resources are not aligned with their agenda, that
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their agenda is more aligned with policing and you know,
more militarized policing in our communities. And so two million
dollars of eric A Ford's resources, and I know, Ryan,
excuse me, just let us get into this one thing here,
two million dollars of eric A Ford's resources and I
and I don't know the exact numbers, but there are
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other people.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
That eight hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Right, But the other organizations in New York alone and
lost so much of their money that their organizations can't
even function there or they have to close down. Now
there are people out here pastor my who will say, oh,
that's because I'm telling my black folks who have great influence,
people who are all on social.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Media and they look. You know, everybody loves them. They
go to their stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh that's because y'all are begging for money from somebody else.
I thought we were asking for our tax dollars to
circle back to our community, and that we're not begging anybody.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Faything they say do for self, we are doing for self.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I work a job, I pay taxes sure, and now
want the federal government to make sure that the kids
in my community get what they need so they don't
pick up guns, so they don't pick up drugs, and.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So on and so forth.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Talk about the impact first of all of the work
that you all put into getting that money assigned to
gun violence prevention.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And I know I'm talking too long, but I need
to make sure all of this is said.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
When they first when the Biden administration first decided that
they would put hundreds of millions of dollars into gun
violence prevention, those white groups were first on the list
to receive resources. It was black organizers like yourself and
a bunch of other people.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Why if I started naming them, I'll get in trouble.
Who win in there?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Amber Goodwin was one of the individuals, and what's the
brother's name? Who's who works closely with Greg administration, Greg exactly,
these folks and y'all came together and said, no, we
have to put front and center black folks, black organizations.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That was not easy. It was a fight.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think people just don't realize what goes into this stuff.
Now we're losing the money. We've lost the money the
City of Newark, they have cut their resources across the board,
any money for gun violence prevention. What is this going
to mean, not just for our community before society in general,
and talk about the fight that you all went through
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to ensure that we got the resources in the first
pl Yes, so.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
I you know, this is a decade long fight to
try and center public health responses.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
To gun violence in the black community.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
What we know is that a super small number, less
than half a one percent of your city is responsible
for almost sixty percent of the gun related shooting and homicides,
which just means that there's one hundred shooting. It's not
because you got a hundred people shooting. It's a small
number of folks who are caught in lethal conflicts and
they play out in neighborhoods, in clubs, in communities, et cetera.
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Public health means that rather than just using a law
enforcement or cultural response, we attend the people's anger, fear,
and pain using public health resources, mental health resources. All
of us know, if you've been shot at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixty,
seventy to eighteen years old, you are now a totally
different human being. You have all kind of paranoia, you
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have all kind of anger, you got fear, you got paid.
And as black men meet mice and Angel was talking
about this last year.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
You know where do black.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Men get to publicly display their fear and their anger
and they pay? You walking down the street traumatized, you
got to put on armor. You don't get the cry,
you don't get no therapist. So imagine ten years of
armor and never having your health address public, physically or mentally.
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Our strategies were attempting to acknowledge that, whether you've been shot.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Or whether you're in a community where you hear.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
Gunshots, black people's psyche has been fractured, fragmented, and dismantled.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
By lethal violence.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
How do we use the healthcare system of our country
to help repair the psyche of the.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Black family in war zones, we.
Speaker 9 (22:57):
Require our tax dollars to do it, and you're right,
People like that's a he ask for a handout. The
government ain't gonna never help you. Well, the government help
you when you get on the bus to go to school.
The government help you with to get your mail. Well,
why is your mail delivery?
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Not you begging?
Speaker 9 (23:13):
So I say, man, right, why didn't fixing the rolls?
Ain't you begging? Why didn't putting police in your community?
That ain't you begging?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Right?
Speaker 9 (23:20):
So our tax dollars should be spent the way we
want them to be spent. And if I want my
tax dollars to go to a street outreach worker like
my son or temp rather than a police, that's not begging.
That's self determination on our turn.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Right.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
It cooked us decades. And when I say I'm talking
about decades, I've been doing this for fifteen years every day.
And people was doing it before me. Not answer, well,
God bless your answer. He was doing other things. Eric,
I'm gonna say, Eric, before a Chico Marcus Cat's doing
this before I even got involved.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
In the volunteering of absolutely volunteering.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Anthony Smith, who's from Louisville run Cities United. I think
we used to work in the mayor's office and stuff.
Doing this work. There's no money in that, right, and
so it's really important to appreciate decades we couldn't get
Negro politicians, black politicians. Nobody would come along with this.
They said, this is a hugger thug strategy. It don't work,
It won't help me win an election because the police
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don't like it.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
We had to fight everybody.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
When I say, I'm talking about everybody, the preachers, the police,
the prosecutor anywhere.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
To start with a pee. You had to fight it, right,
But we won.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
We won, We won, and we got this money at
the federal level because we all launched fun piece and
a big old national campaign. We came to Louisville. Red
Dot was one of our folks that we was rocking
with year to get this stuff going. So to your point,
it took us almost decades to get the first you know,
slot of resources, several hundred million dollars put into budgets.
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And I want you to know that sounds like a
lot of money because we don't got no money.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
It's a dollar out of the tent and they took
that back, right, And so it's really important for us
to acknowledge that what is going to happen Right as
Trump sinks this economy with the.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Terriffs, more desperation is going to set in, More anger
is going to set in, and the mayors of our
cities are going to default back to tough on crime
police unless you in this room let your mayor know
that we not going there.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And we gotta wrap a go ahead acts us.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
I probably didn't see much about there. The price of
wood is up there, so you gotta rebuild a whole.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
With the price of wood. So think about that, and
it's all connected.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I just want to say one thing. You know, poverty
is violence, that's right.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And when we talk about violence in our communities where
they come from, you don't see well to two black
communities with people shooting each other up because there's no need.
When you when you're hungry and you starving, you and
you've been taught that you're savage, and you've been taught
that you nothing, people grab guns and you don't value
life because you're not in communities where life looks like
it's to be valued. Then there's violence. So these people
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understand that and they're intentionally taking away the resources and
the faces of people who can give them that energy
in that life that they can see people that are
doing something positive in our community. So when we look
at this is very intentional. Right, when we look at
our communities and we see the ones that's decimated, we
see what the violence is, We know exactly why it's
happening there.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
So I just want to.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Say the work that we're doing and that you've been
doing for years is important to me because she's very humble,
but she's also one of the individuals who want to
grow on the front line in New York City to
get the first resources for gun violence and awareness and
protection inside our community.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
So I just want to say, we love y'all.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I want you to, like I said, I ended it
every one of these segments, this is the state of
the power of the People talk, and I want you
to give the people some energy before you leave. What
can the people be doing right now?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Real quick passing, Mike, I want you to make sure
you include in it. What's that what it says on
your shirt? Oh, the struggle is real, but so in God.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Tap to go first and then past the mic and
we wrapping it up.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
My main thing is disorganized, like treat your family, like
it's an organization playing for everything.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
You know what I'm saying, Like, don't eat.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I hate when I wrot on Facebook and I see
black people who ain't a little organization, Like, but what
the organizations do you?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
And the four people you know is a.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Za that's right.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Trust black people rock with black people. Uh. The white
man's ice ain't colder than yours.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
So so so you are to fall in love with
the black people in your community. We we ought to
be doubling down on working with each others. Preachers gotta
work together despite your denominations. Groups got to work together
despite your differences. Neighborhoods got the rock with each other
despite your historical challenges. Fall in love with black people.
Now's the time black ve will save us if we
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get together.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
All right, brilliance here, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
She are live from the State of the People Power
Tour in Louisville, Kentucky, the tenth city that this tour
has traveled to. And I'm really, really just so excited
that you know Ryan and Ryan our super producer, and
Angela Rye, who's the boss, lady of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
She is the boss.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
She doesn't like when we say that, but she is
definitely bass. I tell people she's the boss, she's my boss,
and I'm afraid, yeah no. But she's actually really operating
from a space of love for our people and keeping
this tour together. And I'm really excited that both of
them encouraged us to do our podcast live from here
(28:47):
and give people the content straight from the community, the leaders,
the local community, it's just you know, the people from
national organizations.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Having everybody come together, it feels.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Exactly like what we're supposed to be doing, how we're
supposed to be using our time, and I want to
do something a little different. In this segment, Mysan had
to leave us to go do a Boycott Black Murder
workshop along with attorney Angelo Pinto, who's one of the
four co founders of Until Freedom.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
They are in a.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Workshop now talking with the community about how we deal
with violence in our community. And you know, there are
so many I say this all the time, that there
are so many cities across this country who've never been
able to depend on national and sometimes local government to
help them fight fight anything right and specifically deal with
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crime and to deal with community public safety. They had
to find their own models. Some of it is volunteerism.
Some of it they can get money their tax dollars
from the mayors and local city government. Some of it
is raising money from whoever influencers, lawyers, and whoever they
can get it.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
From to do the work that they do every day.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And if we're not up blo lifting that on this tour,
then the tour is without purpose.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
The whole point of this tour is to show people.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
We don't we don't have Yeah, we should have them
the leaders, but.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
We got us.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
That's right, and that's so important. And I wanted to
do something different here, which is to do a little
rapid fire conversation because Karen, you know, she's on TV,
Karen Finnie, who I will introduce both of these beautiful
women on herself just but Karen Finny is on TV
all the time and she does rapid fire very well.
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And I and I and I think in the spirit
of one of the things that Angela has consistently sort
of been I don't want to use word drill because
she'll be upset that we'm saying drill like she's a
dream start us.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, highlighted, emphasize. Is this idea.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That we have to have strategy and process right and
I think the two of you represent that well. Strategy, process, strategy, process, right,
How we how do we get it done? So when
we talk about an issue right now, what does the
local community do to address that? What doesn't some of
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our people don't think elections have anything to do with
the larger issues right right? And I and it scares
me there are people don't be knowing. Sometimes I'm like, hey, yeah,
yeah we can, we can actually work on that.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
But just talk to Karen about the consent.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, let me first of all introduce you all properly
and y'all to y'all my sisters. But I need to
say it from the reading, just say whatever it because
it's too It's just it's just too important in that
they got too much going on, Ryan Butden and too
much going on. So it's just this, This is my
two am buddy, do Wanna Thompson. We talk on the
(31:45):
phone at two o'clock in the morning, try to get
black folks straight and sod. Wanna Thompson is a season
political and social strategist. She leads Black Equity Strategy and Trust.
She is called founder and Chief Strategy Officer for Aqena Technologies,
the first black owned, black female led AI tech firm
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specializing in a culturally competent generative Okay, a high language
model and social connect tool so chat GPT on steroids
for black people okay. Do Wanna is the founder of
Woke Vote, which I have the pleasure in my organization
until freedom to work with all the time on projects.
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An organization designed to engage, mobilized and turn out African
American voters in the South through campus and faith based outreach,
culturally relevant and data driven GOOTV get out the vote
efforts and training for new organizers. Duanna the Bad Girl Period.
(32:52):
And then Karen Finney who is a political strategist CNN
commentator who built her career of more in thirty years
at the intersection of politics, media and cultural change. As
a consultant, Karen focuses on electing women and.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
People of color.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Also, she is a convener of the Black Women's Leadership Collective,
one of our tour partners.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, Holly Holliday's in the wing as well. These are
powerful women here, and my thing is like.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
We got all this, all of us in our community.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Brilliant.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
If you were here to if you were here for
our segment with Pastor Mike McBride and Tef Poe, we
had all this proof, okay, if you were here to
hear Attorney Lanita Baker and Attorney Angela Ryan, we got
all this. We have so much in our community and
so we're going to do this rapid fire conversation. We
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talked with Attorney Baker and Attorney Rye Angela and Lanita
about the consent decree here in little you know, in
my I don't know if this if you the two
of you feel this way, but throughout my career, every
time I'm working on something, God moves, and it's not
always in a good way, right, Like some things don't
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be it don't feel good, right, but he always moves.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So we're getting ready to come to Louisville. Everything is,
you know, Louisville needs help.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Of course, we need help everywhere, right, black folks, everybody
need help. But then the consent decree issue comes up
and the Trump administration. The work that so many people
have done to get the federal government to come in
here and say you have to change the culture of policing,
this has now just been disbanded.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Just like this.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
They have just decided to strip it away and they're
no longer in the Department of Justice going to continue
that work.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
And so I want you to.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Talk Karen about the impact of that. But then Dowanna,
the question remained, the people can still do something, so
the mayor can do something.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
So what does that look like? So go ahead?
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Is so I think we got it, and thank you
so much. You know, I love being here. I love
being here with you all the brilliance, especially because I
do feel like, sometimes, you know, we forget that people's
lives don't change that much from presidential election to presidential election.
That's why being out here reminding people of what we
have in our own community is so important. We have
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to make the change, we have to make it happen.
And so with this consent decree, partially it's another reminder
that this man who is in the way, he does
not care, and he is telling all the people that
we have been fighting. It's okay, I got you. I mean,
the consent decree, obviously here in Louisville, has very specific meaning.
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And you did it, and I know Brion Taylor's mother did.
But it also sends a message to police departments around
the country that they are free to do what they
want to do, how they want to do it. And
that's dangerous for us. That is dangerous for black and
brown people, particularly at the time when they're already taking
people off the streets, these ice officers, right, So we
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just have to be mindful. We've known they don't have
our back. We don't have to fight for everything. But
I think it's important and I think we have to
connect the dots because the other thing that happened is
real quick we saw more pardons, and these pardons are
telling us something very important. Number One, that he's normalizing
white collar crimes because he's a criminal himself, so he's
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trying to say it's okay, it's all right, I got
you for a certain that's right, and for a certain
amount of money. At the same time, who did he
start with the January sixth rioters? His own in house militia.
So at the same time he's normalizing one kind of
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crime for one kind of people, he's telling another group
of people, you want to do what you want, I
got your bay, and we have to stay focused on
fighting these fights, holding people account. I know you're going
to talk about this to war, but calling it out
is important, and connecting all these dots is important too,
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because that whole picture tells us what he's really trying
to do here.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I feel like what's important to note is that because
people have been disconnected from the political process a lot
of times, that also means that they're disconnected from how
the process works, right, And so we have to go
back to really teaching people how is a.
Speaker 11 (37:37):
Bill made, what is a part of that's why, what are.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
These things, so that they can begin to reimagine what
the structure is or what we imagine what the strategy
can be when these things are happening. Part of the
reason why they're doing so much of this in rapid
fire is because they realize that if they do it quickly,
some of us cannot respond as quickly as they are, right,
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because we haven't set up the strategies, we haven't set
up the relationships, we haven't really been thinking five and
teen years down the road, which is really the essence
of paramatic Right. Yeah, we understand that there are some
things that can only happen at the national.
Speaker 11 (38:15):
Level, but pretty much if you I got my start.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
In municipal government, and I will tell you that pretty
much everything that impacts your day to day life starts
on the local level.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Watch and so you have to be.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Tapped into who is your city council person, who is
your mayor, who is your commissioner, who is the dog catcher?
Speaker 11 (38:32):
That is important school board, right, that is important.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It is because we need to get people who have
our justice lens and who understand policy and who also
understand movement. We need to get them position to be
in those roles so that when things start coming down
and we start to see shifts in the national administration
and in the agenda, we've already got people who are
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thinking differently about how they use these local roles. It's
how they use these local opportunities to push back. So
I come from a city from Birmingham, Alabama. Right, we
have been trying to change the minimum wage in Birmingham
for years. We have a mayor who literally changed the
minimum wage three times. What happened is when it got
to the state level, it got pushed back down and
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now they created a policy at the state level that
says a city cannot change this minimum wage.
Speaker 11 (39:23):
They did that in direct response to what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
And so what that means is we got to get
the folk at the state level out.
Speaker 11 (39:31):
But we should have did that the first time they
came back and said the city couldn't do it. We
should have gone back at that time.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And so it is really looking strategically about what's what
government components handle, what what leaders handle, what who do
we have in those roles and in those spaces. So, yeah,
voting is not always the sexiest thing to do.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
It's not.
Speaker 11 (39:50):
It's not the only way to liberation, but it is
a strategic, strategic.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Tool to get people he think, like us in spaces
to be able to activate for us when they can.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
But you you know, you just said something really important too,
which is it's voting is like one part. The other
part is holding people accountable.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
They work for us, right.
Speaker 8 (40:08):
They want our vote, they want our money, they want
our support, Then they better deliver results. And I do
think sometimes we forget that, We forget after the fact,
like wait a second, no, no, no, no, no. You may
have these big donors, but you wanted our votes, and
if you want them again, don't come back here. That's right, right,
don't show up six weeks before. I think we're just
gonna step and fetch and jump.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Delivering results one of the issues that has me literally heartbroken.
I was yelling at the TV and the walls and
anybody who would listen. In fact, I was walking through
the airport and I tried to say it as loud
as possible so that any white person that walked past
me that potentially voted for Donna Trump would hear it.
On my way to the plane, and I was saying
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words that I cannot that will not be allowed on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
They may play this not I.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Really was because that job court situation has me no,
very very upset. You see, I grew up in the
housing projects in Harlem, New York, where they would put
a flyer up on top of the buttons in the building.
That's a big deal in the projects. Anybody live in
a project, you know, you know y'all organized in the projects.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
You know, when the flyer goes up, it.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Can be a funeral announcement, or it could be a resource.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
It can you know, anything that goes up there. You
look at it.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I'm trying to come in the door, and your mama
definitely looks at it, and your dad because they know
this is important. Safety notices one of the things that
I remember being up there was an invitation to apply
for job court. Yes, and I know young people whose
parents were struggling who sent their children a job cort
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and the next time you saw them, these kids were different,
became adults who had a place to go and they
lived there. They became productive, they had a trade when
they left.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Job a court.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I don't have a clue why anybody would think that
that should be taken away from any community, because it's
not just black and brown folks.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
This is all communities that use job cort. Yes, this
has me very upset. And to see people.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I watched a woman say I was supposed to get
a breast cancer surgery. She said, as a mother, this
is what she was going to do. She already has
housing issues. I know a lot of us were so privileged.
We don't even know what it means. They're like, oh,
she's not getting a job. Yeah, she she has housing issues.
She found the place to be so that she could
go home and heal from a breast operation. Her son
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was released from job cord and now she has to
reschedule her breast appointment, her breast surgery appointment.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Because she needs to figure out where he is going
to live.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
This is serious and I want you, Karen, to talk
about what you see as the impact. Do you hear
on TV? Is anybody even talking seriousness?
Speaker 8 (43:14):
Not enough? I mean, look, we are seeing in different stays,
even Republican members, because they're hearing from people in their
their voters. Their phones are ringing off hook I mean
people think sometimes they ask like does that really matter? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:29):
They track the mails, they track how many calls they get,
they track social media, so it actually all matters. So
we should all be screaming at the top of our
lungs because the point is they don't care. That's why
they cut it. Why because he wants to give a
cut to billionaires.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Right, So this is part of the waste, fraud and abuse.
Speaker 8 (43:49):
Right, This is part of what they're going to do
to medicaid where ten thirteen million people could lose their
health insurance.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Right.
Speaker 8 (43:57):
These are people who need that and all these things.
When we see this and we say, wait a second,
that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense unless
you remember he's got a different goal than we do.
Speaker 5 (44:09):
Wow, Wow, So.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
What whatere do wanna? So now what because you know
how city budgets work. That's it sall.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
That's the problem with do wanna she'd be like, yeah,
I he you miss the mayor, but you could actually
do steps one, three, three, four and this is a
this is a a you know it might be a
little hot. But let me just say sometimes we as
organizers are ahead of our time. So when we were
saying defund the police, which by the way, nobody said
(44:39):
abolish the police, right, we set defund which needs to
drop that budget down a little bit, right Ravins and
I hold people, I don't care if you call it hot,
scotch and pop.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Do what take away the defund you don't like the
word call or whatever you know, Jesus come, I don't care.
What we mean is redistrict you the fun? Yes.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
So now you have to have mayors who had and
state level governments who had the foresight and the interest
in the people to say we were opening these programs
back up, We're gonna take a little money from the
places that have overblown budgets. Not don't go take it
from education and housing they are already struggling. But your
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police budgets that don't need a new bazooka.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
In a local community.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Why can't we take a little bit of money from
there and shift it? And so what do you think
local governments can do? So the first thing any budget
is a moral that it tells you what could care
about and what they are imagining is possible, what they
think is both valued. So the first thing is we
got to know what's in the budget, right, we have
to understand how our budgets, how the city budgets work.
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As the chairwoman for the Housing Authority for the City
of Birmingham, which I am, I can tell you I
want to go back to the job.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
Because I want to go back to the job for.
Speaker 11 (46:07):
Thing really quickly is that you have to remember that
for some people.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Job for was their own way out place system that
already held us that and that's that an economics. So
when you think about job for not being available, but
you are also telling people in this generation and right
now to pull your stuff up by your own bootstrap.
But yet every single strap has been cut off. That
(46:32):
leads to hopelessness. And so what we have to really
begin to do is deterimine who I know job for
was important, But there are other organizations and study organizations
that provide jobs for our young people, readiness opportunities for
our young people. It is time to we distribute their
wealth and those budgets to those programs that have already
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exist there and do the same thing track job Or did.
But now, okay, we don't want to do it on
a national level. We have had multiple organizations who have
packed rights who didn't have a fund. But by providing
housing is a particular thing that job Corps does, yes,
that we also need to build in so we need
to expand as much.
Speaker 11 (47:15):
Every city, every city government has a community development to perk.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
They get community development rents, why rents, all kinds of
different things that.
Speaker 11 (47:23):
They go to.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
You know, it's a long process of it, but the
point is is that they get resources specifically for that
kind of programming, and they're supposed to, if they are
really being intentional, they're supposed to align that process with
their public housing authorities, their public education spaces, all of
their resources, public resource access points. They're supposed to be
a collaborative process of how all of those things work together.
(47:47):
So when you go back to the budget and you
see that parks and recreation, which yes, it is important
that we have parts of recreation, yes, since.
Speaker 11 (47:54):
Our babies don't have no where to go, all right,
So but when.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Parks and recreation is only getting five dollars, but you know,
so the organization that only can do one event a
year is getting two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 11 (48:06):
That's the why you begin to see that sten is.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Tokey conservation, which we want conservation, but but who's usually
in that.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
It's usually white folks in conservation, and our is.
Speaker 8 (48:18):
They're causing on too, by the way, there's curtain a
lot of that too.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, they are, they are setting it in certain spaces.
And this is why redlining, all the different things, it
all comes together. And so what what we can do
as individuals is to know the pledget is to push
that on how those resources are being used. You also
have to be intentional about supporting and uplifting the resources
of the organizations in our own and putting them in
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front of the mayor, putting that, you know, lobbying on
their behalf and at these places, because sometimes people don't
even know that those things exist in the mayor's off
to be honest, that's right.
Speaker 11 (48:53):
So we have to take some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
And at the forefront of their of their of their agendas,
to make sure they're aware.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
I think that's part of why this is an intergenerational
moment as well, because you know, younger folks can learn
from older folks about maybe there's some strategies that, like
you said, people don't know or hadn't done. Let's go
find out. Let's work together. And it's part of why
I Stay of the people is so important because it's
building this national network and connection and I hope these
connections in these communities where we've been going in the
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ten cities and we've got more coming up. Stay together,
because that's how we're gonna your point doing, That's how
we build that power because if ten people are standing
in front of the mayor or the city council, that's
harder to ignore than when it's one person on their own.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah, that's right, that last thing, and we'll rap up
what has been your most inspirational part of being organized
on the State of the People Power Tour.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Oh my lord, I mean, look, I'll be rather naughty.
They know it not.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
It's hard work.
Speaker 8 (50:03):
It goes you know, for me, it goes back to
how just depressed I felt after the election. And understanding
that the that the part of the goal we do
need to understand this, Like you said, doing so much
so fast is also to exhaust us, to overwhelm us.
And so for me, it felt like an opportunity to
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regroup with my people and to kind of come together
in community, to get to work with people like you
that I admire, who I didn't know. You know, we
hadn't worked together directly anymore, and so, you know, Black
Women's Leadership Collective got to give a little plug, you know.
That's part of what we try to do is bring
different Black women's leadership groups together. This is obviously, this
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is intergenerational. This is you know, people from all different
parts of our community. So for me, that's been the
most inspirational. It's just people just pouring in.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
We've been in this Karen.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
I mean, I see your name popping up on the
signal thread every hour of the day. All nice.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
I mean, you have really turned your yea, you turned
on you turned.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
On some old school skills, right your your beginning skills
of being very administratively oriented.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
You done brought that back into the next name. Because
you're the great Karen Finny, like you're on TD.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
You could show up here and say, I'll moderate panels,
I'll talk to you know, keeople, I'll go out in
the community and interview people. But you had actually been
behind the scenes pushing paper. Yes, I am very grateful
for that. You show them out as someone who has
been on my book tour. Usually it's Dwanna and me
(51:53):
and we just all in and you know, making it happen.
And a lot of people know that I'm the type
of person that I started Pride and then I drag
it all the way to the last minute, you know.
But I have been on my book tour at the
same time with this tour, so I haven't been able
to do as much as I would like to do.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
But I feel covered.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
YEA, Like when I show up, I'm like, damn, we're
doing this. What I've been doing, just so everybody knows,
is being behind the scenes taking phone calls from people
who are saying they hate us and they want to
and they want to quit, and then they love us
and they do this beautiful thing and it's it.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
All worked out. Somehow. I have become what is that? No,
I'm like, what she stepped on my toe?
Speaker 3 (52:41):
I'm like, you know, what I know about that, I
know about that stuff on my toe. But you know,
I love the fact that that each one of us
has found something that we can do. So do wanna
you close us out and telling us what is the thing?
What is the thing that has been the most inspirational
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for you? Especially when you're like, oh, I'm done, that's it,
I'm finished, and then you're And then the next day
I'm like, shit to wanna say?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
She out this time? And then the next day I'm like, do.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
You wanna what you did all of this today? I
think for me, the rect the workshops that have helped
people to realign with what they already I think, you know,
we do a powermat and work of it each one
of these four stops.
Speaker 11 (53:28):
Which reminds people of how much access.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
That they already have to resource, wow, to free spaces,
to money. I don't think there's one city where we've
gone through where in five minutes in that one we
had raised one hundred thousand dollars. If they really needed
to do, WE want that they had identified ten different
free locations that they can host off if they didn't
identify twelve different people who can rune the office that
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day in just one session.
Speaker 11 (53:53):
And I think watching.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
People's imagination open up again to like, man, we actually
got everything would be we really do? That is the
most beautiful thing because that's gonna last beyond us being
in the city. Is that like that, that reimagination and
that opening again of like we have every single.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Thing that we need.
Speaker 11 (54:10):
Yes, you just gotta beized.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
What are some of the resources we provided to people
here in Louisville and other places around the country, Like,
what are those those resources been?
Speaker 11 (54:20):
It's been a lie.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
First of all, shout out to the Google team that
brought all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
To the cool Ayden's coming right at all.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
The different people and everyone who came together that I saw.
We had so many different things. Well my favorite one
of the other things. One was a fire a weapons
preparedness class around protection.
Speaker 10 (54:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
And I think that is important because we that was here,
that was here, Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 11 (54:45):
And I think that.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
I think it's important because we as people should feel
comfortable with protecting ourselves but also being accountable to that right.
I love that there was that class here to teach
that around that.
Speaker 11 (54:57):
That say, the second thing that I loved was the gardens.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
They gave everybody specialized gardens to be able to start
planting fruit and seed a different things in there. It
was out there digging up dirt, up the dirt and
making sure.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I was like what.
Speaker 8 (55:12):
Goat first time, I was like, wait, you're gonna do what?
Speaker 3 (55:14):
The garden beds beds, no real goats, not like goats
was out there. Yes that they brought that and reminded
us that we have a special relationship with the earth,
but we have an ability to food to take care
of our own.
Speaker 11 (55:33):
So that was done here in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Specifically some other cities. What was some of the resources.
Speaker 11 (55:37):
Yes, food giveaway.
Speaker 8 (55:43):
Visiting people in jail.
Speaker 5 (55:46):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
That's right, y'all know, I gotta blow this up. I'm sorry.
I had to say it.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
And we're done. Just so people, not just so people know.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
These great folks were in New Orleans, Louisiana with our
dear brother Gary Chambers and our brother Emil Washington, who
were the two leads of the New Orleans Tour.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Star on day whatever we went, they went. I didn't go.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
To the city, to the city of New Orleans to
do the tour stop.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
They went into a particular jail.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
They met with some incarcerated individuals and then days later,
a week to be exactly, eleven or ten eleven of.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Some of those people. We're not saying that y'all met
with them or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Okay, rightly, these individuals escaped from the same exact deal.
I didn't realize, Yeah, the over lot, it was over
a week later, so we cannot be associating anyway. So
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but you know, but there is a young man who
I think he's one of the last two who's on
the run. He did a video saying that he's in
and said, I don't know anything about that. We're not
going to make a statement about that, but what I
would say is that at least I know in that
young man's case, several of his family members have been
arrested for helping him.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
They say, you know, allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
And I don't know what's happening with the other guy.
And what I would say is that I don't want
anybody to be incarcerated, but I know that if it's
going to impact your family, you need to be mindful
of what you're doing. And I don't know, you know,
And I hope that these both of these individuals because
they will find you, they will find you that they
would find the appropriate people to support them with what
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they need to turn themselves in and not to put
other people's lives in this.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
And so we joke about, you know, the connection.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
The seriousness of what is happening is important, and it
is and I'm not saying they should just walk out
into a firing squad.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
I hope that our.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Communities, whether it's the pastors or whomever it is that
can help them, will help them to get themselves safely
to where they need to be.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
So hopefully that happens, y'all.
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show the State of the People Power Tour edition and yes, for.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This edition, we have been live from Louisville, Kentucky in
Simmons College, the historical HBCU.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rest of all, this is so exciting to me that
we have our show TMI live in Louisville, Kentucky with
the people of Louisville.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Get yourselves a round of applause for being there. Today's Yes,
this is so called.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's like our first time really being live on location.
Usually we're in studios or you know, somewhere with a
laptop trying to figure out the light taking off the
shade and the hotel and you know, setting up. But
this time today, Bryan, who is our super producer for
the State of the People Power Tour, convinced us that
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we need to be live and in person. And of
course my son said absolutely because I've been telling her
that all of them I am, but you know I
have mind. The women you gotta listen to the men sometimes,
but today we are joined by our brothers. We usually
say friends to T and I because all on our
shows we always have our friends. And one time people
(01:28):
got mad at us and say, why y'all always have
your friends, Why y'all don't interview other people that's not
your friend? And we say, because if we don't like you,
we don't have to have you on our show.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
That's why we got our own shoe to interview the
people we like.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's why we got our show. Get you a show
that's rick at whoever you want. But these are not
our friends. These are our brother's blood.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Couldn't make us any closer and make us love one
another anymore. Our brother, Pastor Michael McBride, who is the
executive director of Live Free but also the co founder
of the Black Church Pack, and he is our pre
eminent leader. We will talk more about that. He doesn't
he's so humble when we say it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
He doesn't want to own it. But every problem that
we have if his strategy that we need.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Every solution that you see us working through, Pastor McBride
is at the table helping to be a thought leader,
helping to get people paid when they have nothing, you
have no money. If the white folks attack us, one
person that's gonna have a check for you to do
something is Pastor Mike McBride. He's also an incredible fundraiser,
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well respected across this nation. If you don't he's one
of those leaders you don't know, but he is, you should, truly,
you should absolutely know Pastor Mike McBride. And then our
brother Tef Poe, who is an artist, one of the
dopest lyricists in our nation, in our world, a true
advocate for social justice. He was on the ground in Ferguson,
(03:05):
one of the leaders out there who was tear gassed
and attacked by the system. He has been labeled a
dangerous man in the in the city.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So that's good. That's those are.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
That's what we like.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
That's what we like. Don't say that whatever dangerous to
the system is revolutionary love for us, sir, That's what
we have.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Some some some in this dangerous to the city to
the system, are dangerous to us too, but they really
labeled to that because Teppo is so powerful, and let
me tell you he's the founder of Crow Life.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But he is also doing something right now that.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Is extremely important and one of the reasons why we
wanted to hear from you today, TEP. He is currently
working with a group that has is calling itself the
People's Response in Louisiana. Now let me just I mean,
excuse me in Saint Saint Saint Louis. I don't know,
y'all gotta help me sometimes in Saint Louis.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And the reason.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Why it's so important to have you here, TEP, because
in this moment, you look wonderful, you know, nice and
cleaned up and looking good. But just last week I
saw you with looking like you had dust from the
top of your head to the bottom of your feet,
because you've been out there in the rubble, literally with
the people, trying to make sure that the resources that
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our community deserves gets to our people because we can't
depend on the federal government to help black folks in
the middle of a natural disaster, and in fact, some
of the white folks ain't getting no help either right now,
which is a whole other thing. So I think TEP
will start with you what's been happening in your city,
(04:47):
and let's talk about the disparities there, what you're seeing,
and how you've been getting resources in.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
So for folks that don't know, and that's three tornado
through Black.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
At the highest that you can have for F five.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
F three went right through the heart of the black
portion of the city. Some white folks was effected, of course,
but if you live in Tornado Alley, Tornado Lane, whatever
they call it, we typically believe that the tornadoes and
the twists can't land in the city. So we don't
even go into basement. We don't even when we hear
(05:26):
the sirens go off. We don't really react the way
that we probably should react to it. But in this case,
I'm being very vocal about it because some things went
down there weren't necessarily the people's fault. The white person
who was supposed to push the button to let us
know that the tornado land didn't push the butt. People
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think I take stuff a little bit too far, but
I can almost guarantee you that person voted with our
trumpets with So when we try to connect the dots
on things, that too quick to call the conspiracy when
sometimes it's just bam. So I went out that night
that the tornado landed, and I just saw portions of
my city looking like in a pockets, you know what
(06:10):
I'm saying. I saw families displaced, and I kind of
knew I was gonna be involved home Way or the other.
So I started working with two winning Kaylor Reed and
the sister main ohom ashon singles and for the culture,
and they put together quick plan to try to be
the people's response to the moment.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
It was a very simple operation and then it just scaled.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Up to something massive where some days I feel like
we out there literally rebuilding the ghetto. Wow, saying there's
times where me and my partners are negotiating with the
street games to let spire come down the street, you know,
let the gas company come in. I think this is
important to note because we just had an election a
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few weeks before this storm hat and in my umble opinion,
people who came in with this current administration, this was
a part of their clan in to displace and relocate
black folks in the city of Saint Louis. They just
had an act of God that's helping expediate the process.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Wow. So I think we have like.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Basically the grounds for like what I would consider like
a political and the ideological civil wars. Saint looks right now,
people who believe that we have to defee our birth right,
which is the West side and the North side of
Saint Louis, at all costs. And people who kind of
feel like, hey, a little gentrification might might be helped.
It might it might fix things that couldn't be fixed.
(07:39):
So those are the fights that we're fighting right now,
helping the rebuild the ghetto, get the resources to our people,
and the race the narrative about what's really happening.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So and what is this administration done in Saint Louis?
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Sins this happened. I mean, you know better than most.
I'm a war time so.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
I always say call me when it's gangster, don't calling
me when y'adge just out there passing now teddybirds gonna
call me when you call me when his wreath. So
I feel like the reality of the situation is is
real real. You got thousands of teenagers misplaced, those streets,
of people living under tents right now. And to answer
the question, what is the administration that I don't know?
Speaker 6 (08:18):
You know what I'm saying. She won't TV a crid.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
She's worked across the aisle with some traditional institutional groups,
but times like this you need unconventional tactics, and that's
where the capacity of the state is always limited when
it costs to black people and my people. If this
was white folks, they would have figured out how to
do more than get some free bottle water. You know
(08:42):
what I'm saying, like I'm loading trucks with eight year
old kids if I'm telling the truth, you know, like
it's eight year old boys just gonna remember, like, hey,
I helped fight that fight to say this community. They
use the chat GPT standard response, do not self deployed,
do not you know they I could tell somebody down
there and know how to use Google on chat GPT,
(09:03):
So they putting out a bunch of chat GPT nature
things about what to do in the natural disaster. But
most of the relief efforts come from Black people having
common sense about Sabbat, knowing we gotta work together, knowing
wey'tall put our political differences to the stop. And that's
what I feel is happening right now too for the city.
That's beautiful about it. It's that black folk from a
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brown who traditionally had to work together saying, hey, bro,
you bring your group being y'all do this my group,
do this, yo group, do this, your group do this.
It's kind of like we running our own shadow government
in Black Samians right now.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Wow, So I heard that you said you talked about displacement,
and I heard that people are even being displaced from
the tents, like they're shutting down certain areas so they
just so where are folks supposed to go?
Speaker 7 (09:49):
It's a humanitarian crisis that, in my opinion, black woman
was in leadership. If we still had to charge all
of our first black woman mayor, man, they would be
down there trying to her out of Sea Hall.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
And I think that.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Ah, so don't don't skip too quick past that, because
that's serious. What you just said is that if to
shar Jones, the black woman who was the mayor who
was just defeated by a white.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Woman, corporate republic craft.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Right there, a republic that's leaving it to have to
come up with a word to call us. So if that, if,
if if it was to shar Jones there, you're saying
that even our community would be down there calling all
kind of names and tearing down the walls of city
Hall because she's not being responsive. You know what I'm
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saying is it because people are just too traumatized, or
you think it's just that we just have a thing
about white folks, that we let white folks get away
with murder literally.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Fact, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
So we got it for the sisters, but we don't
got it for the white women or passion for them.
We let them go on TV and cry like the
st on the streets and they a' getting paycheck to
fix might put a gun to that woman head and
say it. She chose to do that, her narcissism, so put.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Her in power.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
So now you got to make the call, you know
what I'm saying. And it's rigal, like people dying. I know,
grown men looking up in the roof right looking in
their living room right now. They don't got no roof
rain coming in. I don't know what they're gonna do.
I'm in the backyard helping homeboys move trees. You connected
me with trade of truth. He helping me cut stuff down,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like I am
(11:38):
more upset than I'm showing because I can't really show
how upset I.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Am because people call me the logical black.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
But I'm deeply upset by seeing grandmothers say they don't
know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I'm heaply upset by the fact that I've been s
been in.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Three four weeks in my life and I ain't loaded
a damn truck with a politician yet.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Wow, you feel me.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
I've been out there loading trucks, unloading trucks, going to
people's houses. And I'm not saying I'm Superman or like that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You're Superman Brother, You're Superman Sat.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
He's Superman Sat.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
But at some point, when do they need us on
the terrain?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Everybody want us. It's the politicals to be governize people
to vote.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
We do it when we can, but we got real
responses that people need to have human responses too, Real
things that people need to have human responses, And I
just don't see.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
It in local governments. Pay other men as much as
we should. I know that.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Trump is the impedient problem of the whole fricking world
at this point, right, But where are the men and
women with heart on the local level. Where are the
people who ain't taking Where are the people who ain't going?
Like salt Walker said, everybody ain't going. I'm looking for
the people who ain't.
Speaker 9 (12:51):
Yeah, you know, I think these tragedies expose the class
divisions within our own community. You know what I mean,
because all across the country we're seeing a version, maybe
not a literal tornado hitting every neighborhood, but we have
a existential tornado that's hitting our communities, and the federal
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government is making very clear that we are on our
own at various parts of our experience. Even under democratic leadership,
we still be on our own. We just don't think
it because people grin and invite us to the White
House and invite us to their parties and give us,
you know, a dollar out of you know, ten dollars
of their budget, and we feel less desperate. But the
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reality is, poor black people in our communities are catching hell.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
No matter who's in office.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
They catch a hell, no matter who's they pastor they
catch a hell no matter who's they boss.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
And the question we have to.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
Ask ourselves among the community state of the people power
to it right, We're trying.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
To ask ourselves, are we going to do what.
Speaker 9 (13:57):
Is necessary to meet the existential tornado that visits our
communities regular and many of us who have means have
to ask ourselves what are we willing to do to
extend ourselves right to those who are hurting? Jesus always
commands us to care for the least of these, which
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means that there are some of us who.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Aren't the least of these.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
There is not enough money to pay everybody for the
liberation of black people in this country. Some of us
got to wake up every day and do something more
than what we're doing right now. Free and for free, well,
for free from a financial position, but freedom of liberation
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is priceless. It's priceless when.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
You smell free. That's why we was at first in together.
We used to say, man, been out there getting tear
gas and our haircracked.
Speaker 9 (14:53):
Was the most freeing moment. That love's so intoxicating, you
know what I'm saying. Hundreds of black people.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Outside, we were saying that test.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
It's like.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
He rather be in the house, but never was there.
How was that about?
Speaker 10 (15:10):
Right?
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Nah?
Speaker 9 (15:11):
I mean, there's something about freedom, fighting for freedom, pushing
against the system.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Right.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
It is hard to do it without breaks and without
some rhythm of care. But we have to realize that
we are in a state of existential crisis.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Trump is the great kind of caricature of that.
Speaker 9 (15:32):
But here in Louisville, in places of the Midwest and
the South, we know that we got all kinds of
systems of power that are praying on us right. If
Trump was not here, they'd still be praying on us right.
And so Trump is giving us an opportunity to clarify
the wickedness and the evil of this existential crisis we
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we're in. But we got to do something more than
what we're doing. And I think it's up to us.
While we're doing this too, we're trying to rally ourselves
together and say that everything we need as a community
is within our community. We just have to align ourselves.
We have to strategize reminding ourselves we've always been the
minority in this country, but every great gain for freedom
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and civil rights has come from the minority population of
black people in this country. And if this country is
gonna be said, it's gonna because black people do what
we always do save ourselves, or by extension, the country
will continue to survive.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I ain't even I had a question, but you you
pretty much answered the whole question of my bad and
everything Jesus I do have.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Of course, Jay, because we're talking today about the first
one hundred days, the sign and you know, the the
gun violence prevention resources around this nation.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It doesn't just keep us.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
See, I think that there is this misconception by some
of these white folks that all they're going.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
To do is create chaos in.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Our own communities by pulling gun violence prevention.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Resources from us.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
They don't know that those resources keep them safe as well,
because once some of the people who prey on our communities,
once they get through with taking whatever they can from
us and terrorizing us, they move to wherever else they
can go, right, Because that's just the reality, I say
some of them, We're not going to give them that.
(17:30):
All they're hurting and they have they lack resources. Some
people just pray on our communities that look like them, sure, period.
And then there are others who, because of desperation, they
turn to means that you know, are dangerous for all
of us, and we try to help them. I think
about somebody like Erika Ford and Queens, who just lost
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two million dollars of her budget with the Trump You
you know the name of the what was the the
no not the say, what was the name of the
Biden administration. So Sam the Stafer Communities Act under that
has now been disbanded, right from in the show.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Well, they've they've clawed the money.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The funds out of it, and and the Trunk administration
they were very specific about why. They didn't say, well
we just you know, it's just waste. They didn't say that.
They said that violence prevention, money, addiction prevention, and criminal
justice reform resources are not aligned with their agenda, that
(18:37):
their agenda is more aligned with policing and you know,
more militarized policing in our communities. And so two million
dollars of eric A Ford's resources, and I know, Ryan,
excuse me, just let us get into this one thing here,
two million dollars of eric A Ford's resources and I
and I don't know the exact numbers, but there are
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other people.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
That eight hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Right, But the other organizations in New York alone and
lost so much of their money that their organizations can't
even function there or they have to close down. Now
there are people out here pastor my who will say, oh,
that's because I'm telling my black folks who have great influence,
people who are all on social.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Media and they look. You know, everybody loves them. They
go to their stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh that's because y'all are begging for money from somebody else.
I thought we were asking for our tax dollars to
circle back to our community, and that we're not begging anybody.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Faything they say do for self, we are doing for self.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I work a job, I pay taxes sure, and now
want the federal government to make sure that the kids
in my community get what they need so they don't
pick up guns, so they don't pick up drugs, and.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So on and so forth.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Talk about the impact first of all of the work
that you all put into getting that money assigned to
gun violence prevention.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And I know I'm talking too long, but I need
to make sure all of this is said.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
When they first when the Biden administration first decided that
they would put hundreds of millions of dollars into gun
violence prevention, those white groups were first on the list
to receive resources. It was black organizers like yourself and
a bunch of other people.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Why if I started naming them, I'll get in trouble.
Who win in there?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Amber Goodwin was one of the individuals, and what's the
brother's name? Who's who works closely with Greg administration, Greg exactly,
these folks and y'all came together and said, no, we
have to put front and center black folks, black organizations.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That was not easy. It was a fight.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think people just don't realize what goes into this stuff.
Now we're losing the money. We've lost the money the
City of Newark, they have cut their resources across the board,
any money for gun violence prevention. What is this going
to mean, not just for our community before society in general,
and talk about the fight that you all went through
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to ensure that we got the resources in the first
pl Yes, so.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
I you know, this is a decade long fight to
try and center public health responses.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
To gun violence in the black community.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
What we know is that a super small number, less
than half a one percent of your city is responsible
for almost sixty percent of the gun related shooting and homicides,
which just means that there's one hundred shooting. It's not
because you got a hundred people shooting. It's a small
number of folks who are caught in lethal conflicts and
they play out in neighborhoods, in clubs, in communities, et cetera.
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Public health means that rather than just using a law
enforcement or cultural response, we attend the people's anger, fear,
and pain using public health resources, mental health resources. All
of us know, if you've been shot at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixty,
seventy to eighteen years old, you are now a totally
different human being. You have all kind of paranoia, you
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have all kind of anger, you got fear, you got paid.
And as black men meet mice and Angel was talking
about this last year.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
You know where do black.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Men get to publicly display their fear and their anger
and they pay? You walking down the street traumatized, you
got to put on armor. You don't get the cry,
you don't get no therapist. So imagine ten years of
armor and never having your health address public, physically or mentally.
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Our strategies were attempting to acknowledge that, whether you've been shot.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Or whether you're in a community where you hear.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
Gunshots, black people's psyche has been fractured, fragmented, and dismantled.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
By lethal violence.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
How do we use the healthcare system of our country
to help repair the psyche of the.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Black family in war zones, we.
Speaker 9 (22:57):
Require our tax dollars to do it, and you're right,
People like that's a he ask for a handout. The
government ain't gonna never help you. Well, the government help
you when you get on the bus to go to school.
The government help you with to get your mail. Well,
why is your mail delivery?
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Not you begging?
Speaker 9 (23:13):
So I say, man, right, why didn't fixing the rolls?
Ain't you begging? Why didn't putting police in your community?
That ain't you begging?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Right?
Speaker 9 (23:20):
So our tax dollars should be spent the way we
want them to be spent. And if I want my
tax dollars to go to a street outreach worker like
my son or temp rather than a police, that's not begging.
That's self determination on our turn.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Right.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
It cooked us decades. And when I say I'm talking
about decades, I've been doing this for fifteen years every day.
And people was doing it before me. Not answer, well,
God bless your answer. He was doing other things. Eric,
I'm gonna say, Eric, before a Chico Marcus Cat's doing
this before I even got involved.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
In the volunteering of absolutely volunteering.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Anthony Smith, who's from Louisville run Cities United. I think
we used to work in the mayor's office and stuff.
Doing this work. There's no money in that, right, and
so it's really important to appreciate decades we couldn't get
Negro politicians, black politicians. Nobody would come along with this.
They said, this is a hugger thug strategy. It don't work,
It won't help me win an election because the police
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don't like it.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
We had to fight everybody.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
When I say, I'm talking about everybody, the preachers, the police,
the prosecutor anywhere.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
To start with a pee. You had to fight it, right,
But we won.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
We won, We won, and we got this money at
the federal level because we all launched fun piece and
a big old national campaign. We came to Louisville. Red
Dot was one of our folks that we was rocking
with year to get this stuff going. So to your point,
it took us almost decades to get the first you know,
slot of resources, several hundred million dollars put into budgets.
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And I want you to know that sounds like a
lot of money because we don't got no money.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
It's a dollar out of the tent and they took
that back, right, And so it's really important for us
to acknowledge that what is going to happen Right as
Trump sinks this economy with the.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Terriffs, more desperation is going to set in, More anger
is going to set in, and the mayors of our
cities are going to default back to tough on crime
police unless you in this room let your mayor know
that we not going there.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And we gotta wrap a go ahead acts us.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
I probably didn't see much about there. The price of
wood is up there, so you gotta rebuild a whole.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
With the price of wood. So think about that, and
it's all connected.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I just want to say one thing. You know, poverty
is violence, that's right.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And when we talk about violence in our communities where
they come from, you don't see well to two black
communities with people shooting each other up because there's no need.
When you when you're hungry and you starving, you and
you've been taught that you're savage, and you've been taught
that you nothing, people grab guns and you don't value
life because you're not in communities where life looks like
it's to be valued. Then there's violence. So these people
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understand that and they're intentionally taking away the resources and
the faces of people who can give them that energy
in that life that they can see people that are
doing something positive in our community. So when we look
at this is very intentional. Right, when we look at
our communities and we see the ones that's decimated, we
see what the violence is, We know exactly why it's
happening there.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
So I just want to.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Say the work that we're doing and that you've been
doing for years is important to me because she's very humble,
but she's also one of the individuals who want to
grow on the front line in New York City to
get the first resources for gun violence and awareness and
protection inside our community.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
So I just want to say, we love y'all.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I want you to, like I said, I ended it
every one of these segments, this is the state of
the power of the People talk, and I want you
to give the people some energy before you leave. What
can the people be doing right now?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Real quick passing, Mike, I want you to make sure
you include in it. What's that what it says on
your shirt? Oh, the struggle is real, but so in God.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Tap to go first and then past the mic and
we wrapping it up.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
My main thing is disorganized, like treat your family, like
it's an organization playing for everything.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
You know what I'm saying, Like, don't eat.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I hate when I wrot on Facebook and I see
black people who ain't a little organization, Like, but what
the organizations do you?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
And the four people you know is a.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Za that's right.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Trust black people rock with black people. Uh. The white
man's ice ain't colder than yours.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
So so so you are to fall in love with
the black people in your community. We we ought to
be doubling down on working with each others. Preachers gotta
work together despite your denominations. Groups got to work together
despite your differences. Neighborhoods got the rock with each other
despite your historical challenges. Fall in love with black people.
Now's the time black ve will save us if we
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get together.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
All right, brilliance here, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
She are live from the State of the People Power
Tour in Louisville, Kentucky, the tenth city that this tour
has traveled to. And I'm really, really just so excited
that you know Ryan and Ryan our super producer, and
Angela Rye, who's the boss, lady of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
She is the boss.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
She doesn't like when we say that, but she is
definitely bass. I tell people she's the boss, she's my boss,
and I'm afraid, yeah no. But she's actually really operating
from a space of love for our people and keeping
this tour together. And I'm really excited that both of
them encouraged us to do our podcast live from here
(28:47):
and give people the content straight from the community, the leaders,
the local community, it's just you know, the people from
national organizations.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Having everybody come together, it feels.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Exactly like what we're supposed to be doing, how we're
supposed to be using our time, and I want to
do something a little different. In this segment, Mysan had
to leave us to go do a Boycott Black Murder
workshop along with attorney Angelo Pinto, who's one of the
four co founders of Until Freedom.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
They are in a.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Workshop now talking with the community about how we deal
with violence in our community. And you know, there are
so many I say this all the time, that there
are so many cities across this country who've never been
able to depend on national and sometimes local government to
help them fight fight anything right and specifically deal with
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crime and to deal with community public safety. They had
to find their own models. Some of it is volunteerism.
Some of it they can get money their tax dollars
from the mayors and local city government. Some of it
is raising money from whoever influencers, lawyers, and whoever they
can get it.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
From to do the work that they do every day.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And if we're not up blo lifting that on this tour,
then the tour is without purpose.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
The whole point of this tour is to show people.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
We don't we don't have Yeah, we should have them
the leaders, but.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
We got us.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
That's right, and that's so important. And I wanted to
do something different here, which is to do a little
rapid fire conversation because Karen, you know, she's on TV,
Karen Finnie, who I will introduce both of these beautiful
women on herself just but Karen Finny is on TV
all the time and she does rapid fire very well.
(30:30):
And I and I and I think in the spirit
of one of the things that Angela has consistently sort
of been I don't want to use word drill because
she'll be upset that we'm saying drill like she's a
dream start us.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, highlighted, emphasize. Is this idea.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That we have to have strategy and process right and
I think the two of you represent that well. Strategy, process, strategy, process, right,
How we how do we get it done? So when
we talk about an issue right now, what does the
local community do to address that? What doesn't some of
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our people don't think elections have anything to do with
the larger issues right right? And I and it scares
me there are people don't be knowing. Sometimes I'm like, hey, yeah,
yeah we can, we can actually work on that.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
But just talk to Karen about the consent.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, let me first of all introduce you all properly
and y'all to y'all my sisters. But I need to
say it from the reading, just say whatever it because
it's too It's just it's just too important in that
they got too much going on, Ryan Butden and too
much going on. So it's just this, This is my
two am buddy, do Wanna Thompson. We talk on the
(31:45):
phone at two o'clock in the morning, try to get
black folks straight and sod. Wanna Thompson is a season
political and social strategist. She leads Black Equity Strategy and Trust.
She is called founder and Chief Strategy Officer for Aqena Technologies,
the first black owned, black female led AI tech firm
(32:09):
specializing in a culturally competent generative Okay, a high language
model and social connect tool so chat GPT on steroids
for black people okay. Do Wanna is the founder of
Woke Vote, which I have the pleasure in my organization
until freedom to work with all the time on projects.
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An organization designed to engage, mobilized and turn out African
American voters in the South through campus and faith based outreach,
culturally relevant and data driven GOOTV get out the vote
efforts and training for new organizers. Duanna the Bad Girl Period.
(32:52):
And then Karen Finney who is a political strategist CNN
commentator who built her career of more in thirty years
at the intersection of politics, media and cultural change. As
a consultant, Karen focuses on electing women and.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
People of color.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Also, she is a convener of the Black Women's Leadership Collective,
one of our tour partners.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, Holly Holliday's in the wing as well. These are
powerful women here, and my thing is like.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
We got all this, all of us in our community.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Brilliant.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
If you were here to if you were here for
our segment with Pastor Mike McBride and Tef Poe, we
had all this proof, okay, if you were here to
hear Attorney Lanita Baker and Attorney Angela Ryan, we got
all this. We have so much in our community and
so we're going to do this rapid fire conversation. We
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talked with Attorney Baker and Attorney Rye Angela and Lanita
about the consent decree here in little you know, in
my I don't know if this if you the two
of you feel this way, but throughout my career, every
time I'm working on something, God moves, and it's not
always in a good way, right, Like some things don't
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be it don't feel good, right, but he always moves.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So we're getting ready to come to Louisville. Everything is,
you know, Louisville needs help.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Of course, we need help everywhere, right, black folks, everybody
need help. But then the consent decree issue comes up
and the Trump administration. The work that so many people
have done to get the federal government to come in
here and say you have to change the culture of policing,
this has now just been disbanded.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Just like this.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
They have just decided to strip it away and they're
no longer in the Department of Justice going to continue
that work.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
And so I want you to.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Talk Karen about the impact of that. But then Dowanna,
the question remained, the people can still do something, so
the mayor can do something.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
So what does that look like? So go ahead?
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Is so I think we got it, and thank you
so much. You know, I love being here. I love
being here with you all the brilliance, especially because I
do feel like, sometimes, you know, we forget that people's
lives don't change that much from presidential election to presidential election.
That's why being out here reminding people of what we
have in our own community is so important. We have
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to make the change, we have to make it happen.
And so with this consent decree, partially it's another reminder
that this man who is in the way, he does
not care, and he is telling all the people that
we have been fighting. It's okay, I got you. I mean,
the consent decree, obviously here in Louisville, has very specific meaning.
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And you did it, and I know Brion Taylor's mother did.
But it also sends a message to police departments around
the country that they are free to do what they
want to do, how they want to do it. And
that's dangerous for us. That is dangerous for black and
brown people, particularly at the time when they're already taking
people off the streets, these ice officers, right, So we
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just have to be mindful. We've known they don't have
our back. We don't have to fight for everything. But
I think it's important and I think we have to
connect the dots because the other thing that happened is
real quick we saw more pardons, and these pardons are
telling us something very important. Number One, that he's normalizing
white collar crimes because he's a criminal himself, so he's
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trying to say it's okay, it's all right, I got
you for a certain that's right, and for a certain
amount of money. At the same time, who did he
start with the January sixth rioters? His own in house militia.
So at the same time he's normalizing one kind of
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crime for one kind of people, he's telling another group
of people, you want to do what you want, I
got your bay, and we have to stay focused on
fighting these fights, holding people account. I know you're going
to talk about this to war, but calling it out
is important, and connecting all these dots is important too,
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because that whole picture tells us what he's really trying
to do here.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I feel like what's important to note is that because
people have been disconnected from the political process a lot
of times, that also means that they're disconnected from how
the process works, right, And so we have to go
back to really teaching people how is a.
Speaker 11 (37:37):
Bill made, what is a part of that's why, what are.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
These things, so that they can begin to reimagine what
the structure is or what we imagine what the strategy
can be when these things are happening. Part of the
reason why they're doing so much of this in rapid
fire is because they realize that if they do it quickly,
some of us cannot respond as quickly as they are, right,
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because we haven't set up the strategies, we haven't set
up the relationships, we haven't really been thinking five and
teen years down the road, which is really the essence
of paramatic Right. Yeah, we understand that there are some
things that can only happen at the national.
Speaker 11 (38:15):
Level, but pretty much if you I got my start.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
In municipal government, and I will tell you that pretty
much everything that impacts your day to day life starts
on the local level.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Watch and so you have to be.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Tapped into who is your city council person, who is
your mayor, who is your commissioner, who is the dog catcher?
Speaker 11 (38:32):
That is important school board, right, that is important.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It is because we need to get people who have
our justice lens and who understand policy and who also
understand movement. We need to get them position to be
in those roles so that when things start coming down
and we start to see shifts in the national administration
and in the agenda, we've already got people who are
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thinking differently about how they use these local roles. It's
how they use these local opportunities to push back. So
I come from a city from Birmingham, Alabama. Right, we
have been trying to change the minimum wage in Birmingham
for years. We have a mayor who literally changed the
minimum wage three times. What happened is when it got
to the state level, it got pushed back down and
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now they created a policy at the state level that
says a city cannot change this minimum wage.
Speaker 11 (39:23):
They did that in direct response to what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
And so what that means is we got to get
the folk at the state level out.
Speaker 11 (39:31):
But we should have did that the first time they
came back and said the city couldn't do it. We
should have gone back at that time.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And so it is really looking strategically about what's what
government components handle, what what leaders handle, what who do
we have in those roles and in those spaces. So, yeah,
voting is not always the sexiest thing to do.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
It's not.
Speaker 11 (39:50):
It's not the only way to liberation, but it is
a strategic, strategic.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Tool to get people he think, like us in spaces
to be able to activate for us when they can.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
But you you know, you just said something really important too,
which is it's voting is like one part. The other
part is holding people accountable.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
They work for us, right.
Speaker 8 (40:08):
They want our vote, they want our money, they want
our support, Then they better deliver results. And I do
think sometimes we forget that, We forget after the fact,
like wait a second, no, no, no, no, no. You may
have these big donors, but you wanted our votes, and
if you want them again, don't come back here. That's right, right,
don't show up six weeks before. I think we're just
gonna step and fetch and jump.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Delivering results one of the issues that has me literally heartbroken.
I was yelling at the TV and the walls and
anybody who would listen. In fact, I was walking through
the airport and I tried to say it as loud
as possible so that any white person that walked past
me that potentially voted for Donna Trump would hear it.
On my way to the plane, and I was saying
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words that I cannot that will not be allowed on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
They may play this not I.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Really was because that job court situation has me no,
very very upset. You see, I grew up in the
housing projects in Harlem, New York, where they would put
a flyer up on top of the buttons in the building.
That's a big deal in the projects. Anybody live in
a project, you know, you know y'all organized in the projects.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
You know, when the flyer goes up, it.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Can be a funeral announcement, or it could be a resource.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
It can you know, anything that goes up there. You
look at it.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I'm trying to come in the door, and your mama
definitely looks at it, and your dad because they know
this is important. Safety notices one of the things that
I remember being up there was an invitation to apply
for job court. Yes, and I know young people whose
parents were struggling who sent their children a job cort
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and the next time you saw them, these kids were different,
became adults who had a place to go and they
lived there. They became productive, they had a trade when
they left.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Job a court.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I don't have a clue why anybody would think that
that should be taken away from any community, because it's
not just black and brown folks.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
This is all communities that use job cort. Yes, this
has me very upset. And to see people.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I watched a woman say I was supposed to get
a breast cancer surgery. She said, as a mother, this
is what she was going to do. She already has
housing issues. I know a lot of us were so privileged.
We don't even know what it means. They're like, oh,
she's not getting a job. Yeah, she she has housing issues.
She found the place to be so that she could
go home and heal from a breast operation. Her son
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was released from job cord and now she has to
reschedule her breast appointment, her breast surgery appointment.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Because she needs to figure out where he is going
to live.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
This is serious and I want you, Karen, to talk
about what you see as the impact. Do you hear
on TV? Is anybody even talking seriousness?
Speaker 8 (43:14):
Not enough? I mean, look, we are seeing in different stays,
even Republican members, because they're hearing from people in their
their voters. Their phones are ringing off hook I mean
people think sometimes they ask like does that really matter? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:29):
They track the mails, they track how many calls they get,
they track social media, so it actually all matters. So
we should all be screaming at the top of our
lungs because the point is they don't care. That's why
they cut it. Why because he wants to give a
cut to billionaires.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Right, So this is part of the waste, fraud and abuse.
Speaker 8 (43:49):
Right, This is part of what they're going to do
to medicaid where ten thirteen million people could lose their
health insurance.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Right.
Speaker 8 (43:57):
These are people who need that and all these things.
When we see this and we say, wait a second,
that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense unless
you remember he's got a different goal than we do.
Speaker 5 (44:09):
Wow, Wow, So.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
What whatere do wanna? So now what because you know
how city budgets work. That's it sall.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
That's the problem with do wanna she'd be like, yeah,
I he you miss the mayor, but you could actually
do steps one, three, three, four and this is a
this is a a you know it might be a
little hot. But let me just say sometimes we as
organizers are ahead of our time. So when we were
saying defund the police, which by the way, nobody said
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abolish the police, right, we set defund which needs to
drop that budget down a little bit, right Ravins and
I hold people, I don't care if you call it hot,
scotch and pop.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Do what take away the defund you don't like the
word call or whatever you know, Jesus come, I don't care.
What we mean is redistrict you the fun? Yes.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
So now you have to have mayors who had and
state level governments who had the foresight and the interest
in the people to say we were opening these programs
back up, We're gonna take a little money from the
places that have overblown budgets. Not don't go take it
from education and housing they are already struggling. But your
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police budgets that don't need a new bazooka.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
In a local community.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Why can't we take a little bit of money from
there and shift it? And so what do you think
local governments can do? So the first thing any budget
is a moral that it tells you what could care
about and what they are imagining is possible, what they
think is both valued. So the first thing is we
got to know what's in the budget, right, we have
to understand how our budgets, how the city budgets work.
(45:52):
As the chairwoman for the Housing Authority for the City
of Birmingham, which I am, I can tell you I
want to go back to the job.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
Because I want to go back to the job for.
Speaker 11 (46:07):
Thing really quickly is that you have to remember that
for some people.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Job for was their own way out place system that
already held us that and that's that an economics. So
when you think about job for not being available, but
you are also telling people in this generation and right
now to pull your stuff up by your own bootstrap.
But yet every single strap has been cut off. That
(46:32):
leads to hopelessness. And so what we have to really
begin to do is deterimine who I know job for
was important, But there are other organizations and study organizations
that provide jobs for our young people, readiness opportunities for
our young people. It is time to we distribute their
wealth and those budgets to those programs that have already
(46:55):
exist there and do the same thing track job Or did.
But now, okay, we don't want to do it on
a national level. We have had multiple organizations who have
packed rights who didn't have a fund. But by providing
housing is a particular thing that job Corps does, yes,
that we also need to build in so we need
to expand as much.
Speaker 11 (47:15):
Every city, every city government has a community development to perk.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
They get community development rents, why rents, all kinds of
different things that.
Speaker 11 (47:23):
They go to.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
You know, it's a long process of it, but the
point is is that they get resources specifically for that
kind of programming, and they're supposed to, if they are
really being intentional, they're supposed to align that process with
their public housing authorities, their public education spaces, all of
their resources, public resource access points. They're supposed to be
a collaborative process of how all of those things work together.
(47:47):
So when you go back to the budget and you
see that parks and recreation, which yes, it is important
that we have parts of recreation, yes, since.
Speaker 11 (47:54):
Our babies don't have no where to go, all right,
So but when.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Parks and recreation is only getting five dollars, but you know,
so the organization that only can do one event a
year is getting two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 11 (48:06):
That's the why you begin to see that sten is.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Tokey conservation, which we want conservation, but but who's usually
in that.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
It's usually white folks in conservation, and our is.
Speaker 8 (48:18):
They're causing on too, by the way, there's curtain a
lot of that too.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, they are, they are setting it in certain spaces.
And this is why redlining, all the different things, it
all comes together. And so what what we can do
as individuals is to know the pledget is to push
that on how those resources are being used. You also
have to be intentional about supporting and uplifting the resources
of the organizations in our own and putting them in
(48:44):
front of the mayor, putting that, you know, lobbying on
their behalf and at these places, because sometimes people don't
even know that those things exist in the mayor's off
to be honest, that's right.
Speaker 11 (48:53):
So we have to take some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
And at the forefront of their of their of their agendas,
to make sure they're aware.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
I think that's part of why this is an intergenerational
moment as well, because you know, younger folks can learn
from older folks about maybe there's some strategies that, like
you said, people don't know or hadn't done. Let's go
find out. Let's work together. And it's part of why
I Stay of the people is so important because it's
building this national network and connection and I hope these
connections in these communities where we've been going in the
(49:23):
ten cities and we've got more coming up. Stay together,
because that's how we're gonna your point doing, That's how
we build that power because if ten people are standing
in front of the mayor or the city council, that's
harder to ignore than when it's one person on their own.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah, that's right, that last thing, and we'll rap up
what has been your most inspirational part of being organized
on the State of the People Power Tour.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Oh my lord, I mean, look, I'll be rather naughty.
They know it not.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
It's hard work.
Speaker 8 (50:03):
It goes you know, for me, it goes back to
how just depressed I felt after the election. And understanding
that the that the part of the goal we do
need to understand this, Like you said, doing so much
so fast is also to exhaust us, to overwhelm us.
And so for me, it felt like an opportunity to
(50:25):
regroup with my people and to kind of come together
in community, to get to work with people like you
that I admire, who I didn't know. You know, we
hadn't worked together directly anymore, and so, you know, Black
Women's Leadership Collective got to give a little plug, you know.
That's part of what we try to do is bring
different Black women's leadership groups together. This is obviously, this
(50:48):
is intergenerational. This is you know, people from all different
parts of our community. So for me, that's been the
most inspirational. It's just people just pouring in.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
We've been in this Karen.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
I mean, I see your name popping up on the
signal thread every hour of the day. All nice.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
I mean, you have really turned your yea, you turned
on you turned.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
On some old school skills, right your your beginning skills
of being very administratively oriented.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
You done brought that back into the next name. Because
you're the great Karen Finny, like you're on TD.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
You could show up here and say, I'll moderate panels,
I'll talk to you know, keeople, I'll go out in
the community and interview people. But you had actually been
behind the scenes pushing paper. Yes, I am very grateful
for that. You show them out as someone who has
been on my book tour. Usually it's Dwanna and me
(51:53):
and we just all in and you know, making it happen.
And a lot of people know that I'm the type
of person that I started Pride and then I drag
it all the way to the last minute, you know.
But I have been on my book tour at the
same time with this tour, so I haven't been able
to do as much as I would like to do.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
But I feel covered.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
YEA, Like when I show up, I'm like, damn, we're
doing this. What I've been doing, just so everybody knows,
is being behind the scenes taking phone calls from people
who are saying they hate us and they want to
and they want to quit, and then they love us
and they do this beautiful thing and it's it.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
All worked out. Somehow. I have become what is that? No,
I'm like, what she stepped on my toe?
Speaker 3 (52:41):
I'm like, you know, what I know about that, I
know about that stuff on my toe. But you know,
I love the fact that that each one of us
has found something that we can do. So do wanna
you close us out and telling us what is the thing?
What is the thing that has been the most inspirational
(53:03):
for you? Especially when you're like, oh, I'm done, that's it,
I'm finished, and then you're And then the next day
I'm like, shit to wanna say?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
She out this time? And then the next day I'm like, do.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
You wanna what you did all of this today? I
think for me, the rect the workshops that have helped
people to realign with what they already I think, you know,
we do a powermat and work of it each one
of these four stops.
Speaker 11 (53:28):
Which reminds people of how much access.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
That they already have to resource, wow, to free spaces,
to money. I don't think there's one city where we've
gone through where in five minutes in that one we
had raised one hundred thousand dollars. If they really needed
to do, WE want that they had identified ten different
free locations that they can host off if they didn't
identify twelve different people who can rune the office that
(53:51):
day in just one session.
Speaker 11 (53:53):
And I think watching.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
People's imagination open up again to like, man, we actually
got everything would be we really do? That is the
most beautiful thing because that's gonna last beyond us being
in the city. Is that like that, that reimagination and
that opening again of like we have every single.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Thing that we need.
Speaker 11 (54:10):
Yes, you just gotta beized.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
What are some of the resources we provided to people
here in Louisville and other places around the country, Like,
what are those those resources been?
Speaker 11 (54:20):
It's been a lie.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
First of all, shout out to the Google team that
brought all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
To the cool Ayden's coming right at all.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
The different people and everyone who came together that I saw.
We had so many different things. Well my favorite one
of the other things. One was a fire a weapons
preparedness class around protection.
Speaker 10 (54:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
And I think that is important because we that was here,
that was here, Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 11 (54:45):
And I think that.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
I think it's important because we as people should feel
comfortable with protecting ourselves but also being accountable to that right.
I love that there was that class here to teach
that around that.
Speaker 11 (54:57):
That say, the second thing that I loved was the gardens.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
They gave everybody specialized gardens to be able to start
planting fruit and seed a different things in there. It
was out there digging up dirt, up the dirt and
making sure.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I was like what.
Speaker 8 (55:12):
Goat first time, I was like, wait, you're gonna do what?
Speaker 3 (55:14):
The garden beds beds, no real goats, not like goats
was out there. Yes that they brought that and reminded
us that we have a special relationship with the earth,
but we have an ability to food to take care
of our own.
Speaker 11 (55:33):
So that was done here in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Specifically some other cities. What was some of the resources.
Speaker 11 (55:37):
Yes, food giveaway.
Speaker 8 (55:43):
Visiting people in jail.
Speaker 5 (55:46):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
That's right, y'all know, I gotta blow this up. I'm sorry.
I had to say it.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
And we're done. Just so people, not just so people know.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
These great folks were in New Orleans, Louisiana with our
dear brother Gary Chambers and our brother Emil Washington, who
were the two leads of the New Orleans Tour.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Star on day whatever we went, they went. I didn't go.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
To the city, to the city of New Orleans to
do the tour stop.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
They went into a particular jail.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
They met with some incarcerated individuals and then days later,
a week to be exactly, eleven or ten eleven of.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Some of those people. We're not saying that y'all met
with them or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Okay, rightly, these individuals escaped from the same exact deal.
I didn't realize, Yeah, the over lot, it was over
a week later, so we cannot be associating anyway. So
(57:02):
but you know, but there is a young man who
I think he's one of the last two who's on
the run. He did a video saying that he's in
and said, I don't know anything about that. We're not
going to make a statement about that, but what I
would say is that at least I know in that
young man's case, several of his family members have been
arrested for helping him.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
They say, you know, allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
And I don't know what's happening with the other guy.
And what I would say is that I don't want
anybody to be incarcerated, but I know that if it's
going to impact your family, you need to be mindful
of what you're doing. And I don't know, you know,
And I hope that these both of these individuals because
they will find you, they will find you that they
would find the appropriate people to support them with what
(57:50):
they need to turn themselves in and not to put
other people's lives in this.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
And so we joke about, you know, the connection.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
The seriousness of what is happening is important, and it
is and I'm not saying they should just walk out
into a firing squad.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
I hope that our.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Communities, whether it's the pastors or whomever it is that
can help them, will help them to get themselves safely
to where they need to be.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
So hopefully that happens, y'all.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
Y'all, they ain't thank you for doing live, thank you
do more life.
Speaker 4 (58:27):
That being said, that brings us to the end of
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Speaker 6 (58:51):
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