June 18, 2025 • 50 mins
Tamika D Mallory and Mysonne discuss the ongoing campaign for AT Mitchell's expungement, the impact of the State of the People Power Tour, and their experiences in Louisville. They emphasize the importance of community engagement, local leadership, and the collaboration between grassroots efforts and legislative strategies. The conversation highlights the need for education within communities regarding legislative processes and the significance of building connections between community members and elected officials. This conversation delves into the importance of community communication, the implications of the consent decree on policing, and the necessity for collaboration across state lines to address systemic issues. The speakers emphasize the need for community engagement, empowerment, and conflict resolution while addressing violence as a public health issue. They also discuss the role of media in advocacy and the challenges of leadership in effecting change.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it.
Speaker 3 (00:01):
Shit Boy, my son in general.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We are your host of TMI.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration, New.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Name, New Energy.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
What's going on? My son, Lennon, I'm black blessed?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
And how he favored Tamika D.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Mallory. How are you as well? I see you got
your free AT shirt.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yes, my brother AT, our brother At Mitchell Man is
trying to get his conviction sponged and he started his
whole campaign called free At No More Bars, So I'm
definitely representing for him.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I need to get me a T shirt.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Free AT. This is our brother who is the anti
violent Czar of New York City. That's number one AT
and I started along with Erika Ford many many years ago,
working to get resources in New York City for anti
violence work. You all have heard us talk about this
before We start garted out with no money.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We got to five million after.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Really pressuring the elected officials to focus on grassroots efforts
that would help us to curb violence in the community.
We went through a whole lot, but we went from
again zero to five million and now over one hundred million.
Dollars that is being invested into local grassroots groups around
the city, and the data is very clear that where
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these programs exist, people are absolutely bringing the number of
violent incidents down, giving our youth more opportunities, and just
also providing holistic approaches to dealing with violence that does
not lean on police encounters and police intervention.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They're still of course.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Issues with in terms of policing in these communities. I
can't say that it's solved the problem, but we know
that they're.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Based upon the data.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
We know that there has been some significant change, and
our brother At is one of the leaders of that movement.
He really keeps the community of anti violence, the CBI
community violence intervention movement, and the crisis management system operating
across the city. And as you said, now he has
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a campaign to get his own record expunged, and we
support at one hundred percent. We ask that people who
are listening, doesn't matter if you're from New York City,
you can be from anywhere around the country, learn more
about At and support his campaign for the expungement of
his records. So we love you, At, We support you
with with you free at, Free At.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Because if free At, if you have free at.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Then next comes me. I like that campaign. I like
the campaign.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So the State of the People Power Tour is has
really been an incredible labor of love. I tell you,
while we have definitely been engaged, we haven't worked nearly
as hard as some of the people who have been
twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I have to give a shout out to our own Victoria.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Panel who has been vickyp that's right, the Until Freedom
Representative holding us down as we work on a million projects,
book tours, boycott black murder, the work that you all
are doing in Newark and around the country. Of course,
Angelo building a whole conference that is you know that
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is actually in progress right now. I mean, there's so
much happening, and we've been so busy. And it was
my birthday, which was a major production that landed.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
In the middle of it.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Your birthday also landed in the middle of the tour,
so we had a lot going on. We were present often.
We led at least two particular cities. And when I
say led, you know, yes, we picked those cities. We
supported the infrastructure and worked alongside our people in Newark,
New Jersey, and of course in Louisville, Kentucky as much
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as possible in other cities where we supported. But the
team members, the many team members with Angela Rae and
a number of people I don't want to get myself
in trouble, have worked like I don't even know how
to explain the type of effort that has been put
into this tour.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And you know, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That the main thing that people need to know is
that rather than sitting around with our lips poked out,
complaining about what isn't and who didn't do this and
who hurt our feelings and all of that, and you know,
and definitely in this political climate, rather than sitting around
and just kind of looking hopeless, we said, no, we
actually have a lot of power, and we're going to
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do what we always do, which is to go into
our local communities and spend the type of time necessary learning,
loving up on our people, collaborating with our people, dealing
with some of the backstories and the issues that we
have that need to be massaged and work through in
order for us to be able to stand together and
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to get through this turbulent time in our society. And
we said, there's so many people who have skills already.
They have resources, they're doing major work in their local communities,
and their voices just need to be uplifted. Their programs
need to be exposed to the world, their ideas need
to be supported. And when I think about what the
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tour has done and the different tour stops in terms
of the mutual aid, doing things like helping people with
groceries and with gas and electricity bills, doing things like
bringing out services of all sorts, and also uplifting local
services as well as rallies and town hall meetings and
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listening sessions and local led activities. I mean, this has
been a true not just labor of love, but labor
and all of it, all of it with the exception
of security, because you know, we gotta pick make sure
we pay security. And of course the I don't want
to say technical audiovisual team there you go, look go
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ahead to me, could get your words together.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
The audiovisual team.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Everyone else has been a volunteer unless you are a
staff person like Victoria who works for one of the
major organizations, the Coalition and the partners, and you were
assigned to support this project, to work on this project.
But overall, everybody engaged and some of the most critical
people in this entire project. They are volunteers. Every dime
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that was raised has been poured into the communities and
these local engagements. And I'm talking about when I say
people spending their own money, I'm talking about travel, everything, hotels.
I'm saying that there is and I'm not saying that
that's a model that we want to replicate and that
it needs to continue. There has to be another way
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because people can't necessarily afford it. But people believed in
this tour so much and have been home feeling frustrated.
You know, we can't just I can't sit around, and
they said, we're not gonna wait for the money. We're
gonna go and the money will meet us and things
will get done. And so I'm excited that we have
captured some of the Louisville content specifically. And you go
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ahead and talk about what your experience was being there
in Louisville for the State of the People Power tour,
and so you go ahead and you know, talk about
what your experience was in Louisville, Kentucky, and also what
the tour has really meant to you.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yes, Louisville was definitely an eye opening it just it was,
like you said, a label of love. You know, Louisville
is like our second home. You know, we had been
there a while, but when you see those familiar faces
and we go down and we're in those familiar places
to Meeka Palmer with the Katura Hauran who will be
coming up the next room, and we're talking about all
of the government officials and just the Freeway family, you know,
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and we opened up with our party and which we
met with the people and we danced and we talked
and just feeling that camaraderie and that love, you know,
based on what happened with Brianna Taylor, we've built a
family in Louisville, Kentucky. And that's why we were very adamant,
you know, even like you said, they didn't give pushback,
we were very adamant that we wanted to make sure
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that that was one of the tour stops and that
we galvanized the energy and brought some resources back to Louisville.
And they're always very appreciative, you know, and just watching
the growth from the people in Louisville, just understanding how
you know, we we seen people grow from regular protesters
to being elected officials that we watched Nicole Hayden, who
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was one of the on the ground people, just build
her own organization and just watched her become this leader
and it's just it's always beautiful to see that. But
just along with the tour, you know, the our Boycott
Black Murder shout out to Angelo. You know, we do
a training and course about boycott Black Murder, and we
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teach people what boycot Black Murder is and what it
came from, and we get engaged with community people who
have gun violence issues. Some of them have actually lost
family members to gun violence. Some of them have family
members who are in prison based off gun violence. And
the stories and the tears. It is always like very emotional.
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So that's something I love to do in each city
that we go to. But you know, this stought was,
like I said, it's a lot more personal for me,
you know, as we still fight for justice for Breonna Taylor.
You know, seeing Tamika Palmer is always something that gives
me joy and pain at the same time because I
love her so much and to see her still fighting
for Breonna Taylor, you know, it's just invigorating to me.
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So Louisville was nothing short of amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Absolutely, I think everyone felt that, and you know, as
you said, the whole Breeway family included. And we have
to make sure we give a lot of love to
Nicole Hayden and Nicole Yates, who were the co chairs,
if you will, of that tour stop. And I can
tell you it's not easy because as we know, in
every single city there's always the difference of ideas.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And opinions and that energy that we all experience.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And you know, the two of them coming together working
together was quite funny to me.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
But I love to see.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
How whether they were fighting about who was going to
present particular again ideas and strategies, or if they were
organizing other people and really trying to make sure that
everybody in the community felt involved. Whatever the issues, whatever
the things were, they ended up producing an incredible, incredible,
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incredible tour stop. And so just thankful to both of them,
and also thankful to our baby sister Jania, who is
and the she was there. Jania is the sister of
Brionna Taylor.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Who lived in there, and she's with childs and she
is with child she's about to have a baby.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So having her around carrying a little Brionna and her
stomach is so special. I'm not sure of the of
the baby, but I will say that we know Breonna
lives through Jania's belly. And so it just was exciting
and I want for toa Yes, we did have some
good moments, and so first of all, it was super high,
as it always is and Louisville always and we did
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have some powerful moments of you know, dance and like
you said, camaraderie and planting and they sent families home
with things that they need to start their gardens.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I mean, you know, great things.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But at the same time, there was some very serious discussions,
very serious panel discussions, town halls and listening sessions.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
With the community.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And so we've got a little bit of you know,
some of the discussions and the interviews that we did
for the TMI podcast the TMI Show to me gain
myisan's information. To who are our guests this week?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yes, like I already stated, Katura Hern is going to
be one of our guests, along with Nicole Hayden as
the we just finished speaking of. And to end it off,
we have our co founder of Until Freedom, attorney Angelo Pinto,
is also one of our guests today.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Check it out the TMI podcast The TMI Show with
my brother my Song, who is not here because he's
actually in a workshop here in Louisville leading a workshop
on gun violence prevention. That we are live and we're
talking directly with people who have many, many, many layers
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and levels of solutions and brilliant and strategy for our community.
And it's two super bad, super bad individuals who are
here in front of us. I want to read their
bios so that I give you the proper acknowledgment. But
then I want to talk about why the two of
you are so important to us on this show. So
Nicole Hayden, who was one of the city leads here
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in Louisville to make this incredible two days of focus
on our people and our community happen the Cole Hayden
is a Louisville based community strategist and founder of the
Friends of Nicole Network, which until Freedom has had the
privilege of supporting and collaborating with for the last five
years and also oh we excuse me. At the Friends
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of Nicole Network, she leads initiatives that empower young women
of color through mentorship and advocacy and the wake of
Brionna Taylor is killing. She served as a community liaison
for Until Freedom, That's true, helping organize protests and connect
national activists to local grassroots efforts. And then my dear sister,
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Senator Katura Heron. Now, before I even say anything else,
let me just say that she was not Senator Katura
Heron whill we first met her. She was an organizer
for ACLU Louisville. And this is not even her first
elected position. So from an organizer when we first got
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here to now two times elected, maybe three times elected,
I don't know. I mean, you'll tell us that part,
but elected to different levels, moving on up the scale
on her way to national leadership.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
In government, she is Senator Heron represents. Senator Heron represents
Kentucky's thirty fifth Senate district and has dedicated her life
to advocacy and reform. In twenty twenty, she worked with
community and elected leaders to pass Brianna's Law at the
local and state level, which with outlaw no knock warrant
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in the state of Kentucky. Some of it passed, more
work to be done, but these are two super bad
individuals who are doing work within the community, and also
just growing in your leadership. And let me say that
for us at until Freedom, to watch the growth of
this city and the individuals in the city has been
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incredible because we know we had our little hands in
different parts of how that happened. We promised Nicole Hayden
when we first met, the first weekend we were here,
the first night we sat down and had a conversation,
we promised that not only would we not exploit the community,
but that we would continue to be here and we
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would never leave. And that's a commitment that I've made
to every single family and community that I've been in
since I started over twenty years ago, because I was
told by my mentors that the most important thing you
can do is not the work when everybody is there,
but it's the work when nobody is there, right. And
we have continued that until Freedom to come back here
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and to work with the two of you. So I'm
so excited to have both of you sitting here today
our show when we talk about one hundred years un
when we talk about the one hundred days of Trump's presidency,
been trying to pair boots on the ground with legislators
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and media representatives and strategists so that we have a
feeling of what comes out. What people get to see
is that those two things have to work together. Yeah,
it's no way for us to do work with just
an elected just the boots on the ground individual. They
have to come together. So the first thing I want
to talk about for both of you is how you
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see that working together. That you are an elected leader,
how important is it for you to have the Nicole
Hayden's and everybody the people of your city, right, Melvin
and brother Big Baby and you name it, everybody Auntie right,
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pushing to help you get things done, because I think
some folks, some elected officials, don't think they need the
people until it's election time, and then the people on
the ground don't always see the need for elected officials.
So I want you all to talk about that dynamic
and how important it is.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I mean, first, thanks for having us on and always
coming back and showing love as you promise, and coming
from an organizer to now elect it. I'm actually was
talking to Angelo and I need to write these things
down to come back and teach the community because what
I realized is that the work that we were able
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to do in twenty twenty. It was organizing an organizing
strategy and an the legislative strategy. And I think oftentimes
where we fought is that either legislators just want to
do it their way or the community just wants to
do it their way, and until both of those things
is working together, then you're not going to get policy passed.
That was how we were able to get Brionna's Law
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passed as quickly as we did, obviously in the moment,
but there was a community organizing strategy, and then the
legislators the electeds had to be working behind the scenes
and figuring out what the it is because the dynamics
are different and community may not be able to always
move that elected but there's other people in this other body,
whether it's lobbyists, whether.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's other business leaders, that can move some of those people.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
And so there has to be the legislative strategy and
the community organizers strategy. And I think that that's one
of the things that I've been trying to wrap my
head around for so long, is how how do I
display and show that we've got a lot of great
people in the City of Louisville.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But I do think that you know, one.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Of the downfalls that we have is we have not
done a great job of us all coming together and
making this thing work together.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We have you seen it work that strategy of all
you know, time that you've been even organizer and or
and elected, what where have you seen the power of
the people and the legislative process come together?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I mean, honestly, Brianna's Law when we look at that
during twenty twenty, when we went to get a Brianna's
Law pass as when you called the City of Louisville,
the voicemail said press one for Breonna Taylor related issues,
two for everything else.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Wow. And what we were able to do, and what people.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Don't know is that the first piece of policy that
we gave the Metro Council, it wasn't a complete full band.
And what we actually was was fighting against was language
that we first originally gave them right and so like
we made the call and said we wanted we so legislators,
without your involvement, gave them language that you had to
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go fight or was it right? So that there was
there was community folks. Myself and a dude named Terence Sullivan.
We are the ones who actually wrote that first, the
first the first copy, and then it evolved. We gave
it to Metro Council. They ran with the language that
we had. The goal was to get coalition to work together,
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but they said they wanted to move fast, so they
took our first draft of the language and they ran
with it.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
But after we have some days to read it, we're like, no.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
We needed a complete band and we can do that,
and we can do that and so and so that's
what we actually ended up fighting.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And what we did was we had.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Like I think originally like four or five council people
this said that we support a complete band. So what
we did was we put on social media we said
we want to thank these five council people for supporting
a complete band. So then other council members was like,
well we supported, were like yeah, but you don't support
a complete band. If you want us to thank you,
you got to support a complete band. And that's how
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we was able to eventually get the four twenty six
to get behind the complete band, because at first people
was like, we can never do a complete band.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
What if there's an emergency situation, what if my daughter's kid.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Now what if this is happening, And it's like, no,
we know, and in real time, if it is that
emergency situation, law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Can go in.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
If you hear shooting in a building, you can go
in and respond. But let's be very clear that we
need to do a complete then and and common sense
and in the moment less you know when you can't
go in if it's side of emergency.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Talk about your.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Not so much the role in this, but your understanding
of the importance of community and what the legislators are doing,
even like.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Ca Tera has been like my go to terror, What
does this mean? Who does this?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And that's what we've been doing in the community, like
really taking it back.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Of course, we need the legislators and people that Metro
Council to continue to push policy, but also y'all keep
in mind that people in community and neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Don't know a lot of this language.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
And so so the expectation of people to know what
these things are, it's like, no, we got to take
it back to the streets and educate our pegion. So
that's really what we've been focusing on, like educating what
does the legislative do what does a representative do, you know,
basically having those conversations, having workshops, having training and again
when it's time to vote, having those classesm ahead of time,
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having those conversations.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Early on so that people can be informed.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
So whether that is some bullet points on a piece
of paper that we can share on social media, whether
that's some bulletpoints that we can shot in text, but
a lot of people believe it or not, just don't
know what that is. And so we just been taking
our time posts twenty twenty is to really educate community
and going inside the neighborhoods, inside of schools and educating
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our youth, making sure letting them know where they hit
seventeen that they can pre register to vote. So we've
been doing a lot of community engagement that way, like
educating the community on like what can they do before
it's time to vote, but also who's on the bound
beforehand and knowing what those roles really mean.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, you know, not every legislator gives people access to
be able to call them and ask questions. Is that
the community organized a side of you or do you
just think all politicians or to have their cell phone
numbers floating around the whole community.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
I mean, I've worked with youth my whole life. So
I've had the same numbers since I was like eighteen.
And the reason why I've kept my same numbers because
sometimes I have young people call me who I worked
with ten or fifteen years ago, and so I just
never have never gotten a different number. I mean, honestly,
sometimes it's a gift and a curse. You know, do
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people have too much access?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Do people not?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
But I am of the community of for the community,
and I want people to know that they can reach
out to me.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But I also have had to set some boundaries.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
And get people to know and understand just because you
have access to me doesn't mean you get to abuse it.
And I also have to teach people you.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Know, what my position is and what I'm able to do.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
But I believe given access, it's important.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
But it is a tight line.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Because we have to also take care of ourselves in
order for us to continue to do the work.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
How important is that that you can pick up the
phone the call and say, hey, I'm getting ready to
go to a meeting, and I don't know myself right Like,
that's another problem that I think some of us and
I don't have this issue. I thank God that he
delivered me from me knowing everything. I don't know. Yeah,
it's okay. You can look at me like I'm dumb,
and I'll raise my hand in the room full of
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people and say, I don't understand the words that you're saying.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yeah, you know, straight up, I don't know ever you know,
And I'm not trying to act like how important has
that been for you to be able to call Katuro
or Shamika whomever and say, help me understand this so
I could go relay it, especially to our.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Young people who need to know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It's very important.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Like, look, serious, off, she was one of us before
she became in office, so she's been booths on the ground.
So just having those connections, even Shamika person Ryan like that,
we were all booths on the ground together, and I
knew that once they leveled up, they were going to
be important to me to be able to communicate to
the community. And to me, it's like, you gotta have that,
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you gotta have that connection.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You gotta know who's doing what.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
And even stepping outside of the norm to pick up
the phone I see her and moving around in traffic
to like hey, peace, what this mean? But she's always
encouraging you got this, you can do this. And even
who's next in line, even if it's not yournico, who's
next in line?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Who do we need to get a part?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
And I've be like, Okay, this young person, this young person,
let's let's get them connected with you.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Let's get them in conversation. It may not be this.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Sure, it may be three years down the line, but
we need to get them in communication and conversation to
know what's now. But I was gonna shay, you know
one of the things that you said, I tell people
that as well. I don't know everything. My background is
juvenile justice. That's what I know, front to back. You
can't tell me nothing about it. But there's other things
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about housing that I need, you know, information about or
about colds and rags. I don't know that language, you know,
And so so it is important. And I actually lean
on some of the folks who know more than me
and prepare.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Me for meeting.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
So one of my homegirls gave me the whole thing
for a meeting that I just had, and the person
I was meeting with was like, that's an excellent idea,
and ran with it and it wasn't me, but it
was somebody from the community who is an expert. And
so my role as well, it's to take their expertise
and the meet, right, it does.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
You will you include that person with you on the
journey to getting there.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yes, they don't want to be because it's political, but
that if they did, they would definitely be there. But
they know that it's best for me to have the seat.
But they're giving me the information. And so after the meeting,
I'm like, yo, they did you know? They writing it
down and I need to get them a document in
the next two days and so then meet me and
that person collaborated was able to send this document and
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it's going to.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Be rolled out in a way.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
But it's their expertise that I'm allowed to take, you know,
to the rooms because I don't know everything.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So the last thing I want to talk of two things.
I'm going to ask you all about the inspiration of
this tour, which has been hard and we know that
we are saying that in every conversation. It's not easy,
So we'll talk about some of that. But the consent decreed, right,
I feel like it's such a slap in the face
to watch the federal government say that our lives don't matter,
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because we know that the investigation that was done to
get to the point of a court order, which is
the consent decry, it uncovered what you all already knew,
which is that there's an abuse of police power in
this city. That many of our young people and particularly
people in general who live in the West End and
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other places that are deeply concentrated with folks who are
under resource, are under siege with policing here in the city.
Let me tell you, Louisville. You know, I protested a
lot of places. I've been a lot of places, and
we've been in some contentious fights across this country. But
here there is almost a ku klux Klan mentality policing,
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or at least it was during the summer of twenty twenty,
and the militia was out there mixed up with the
police doing whatever they wanted to do, whatever reason. When
they had the we were under what you call it.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
A time purfumey.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Why do wife folk with the big guns were under
excuse me, senator, why do wife folks with the guns
was still able to be out and the police wasn't
chasing them, but they were chasing us. That's an issue.
And so this the Department of Justice's findings about all
of the issues, the corruption and the abuse was very serious.
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And to have the federal government decide to go further
than just investigating to nashally say, here's a court order
that you all have to follow in this city, and
now we have a mayor who took a long time
to sign it. It was a bite to get him
to sign it. What do you think he's going to
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do now? What do you all want to see him do?
And what do you how do you feel knowing that
the blood, sweat and tears. I think about Travis, our
young brother, who gave his light literally in this work,
leaving a protest that gay when he was killed. What
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does it feel like to watch our rights and the
work that has been done just rolled back. You can
start with you, Nicole, and then can you talk about
as an elected official in this state, what work has
to be done to make sure that the consent decree
is abided by even without the federal government's input. For
me and my role is just to continue to keep
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the community inspired.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Through everything that's going on it, you know, especially with
a concent degree. There are people that have been on
the ground organizing trying to submit a resolution I think
as of tomorrow, and it's basically to encourage them. That's
really been my role. You know, it hurts, you know
what I'm saying to say, it doesn't hurt. It hurts,
you know, but again, you know, not to be consumed
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with all of it. Is to keep them encourage for
me has been my role and allow them to you know,
continue to feed me with information so that I can
give it away to the community. So as they've been
organizing on the ground with it, with officials, with themselves
taking that resolution that they're going to be presenting tomorrow
and being able to tell the community about what that is.
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Like today, we have a workshop that the toks Abauthical
Scent degree. A lot of people don't know exactly what
that is, that language. So just having those workshops and
those conversations for community has really been my role in this.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
You know, it was It's very hurtful.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
And I think that during the time like the it's
a time for individual self reflection and collective self reflection,
and that's what I've tried to do, you know, since
we heard. But but but what I what I think
or what I what I've come to is is that one, uh,
the work is the same no matter who's elected. And
(31:19):
I think that that is something that oftentimes we forget
as people. Is is that uh and when I say
that the work is the same, the strategy is different,
is is that we as a community should.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Have been more, been doing more to be prepared for
this moment. Right.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
And so now as a leader, I'm thinking, what what
can I do to take the information and expertise that
I've had as an organizer to now as an elected
to continue to educate the community. One two Regardless, I'm
gonna make sure I'm in the room.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Right.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And so the mayor just announced that he's doing a
I forgot what they called it, but it's gonna be
eight community members, I think, seven elected officials and some organizations,
and I'm gonna make sure as an elected official that
I've got to a seat at that table.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
And and it's hard because the community is like, hell, no,
this is not what we want. We have right, Heck no,
this is not what we want, but we have.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, but we have to Okay, yeah, yeah, he had
are the are that, But but it is my roe
again to be at the table and take the voices
and the concerns of the people and and be there.
And so as an elected I have to want encourage
my other elected officials that we have to stay on
top of this, that we have to continue to put
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pressure on this mayor administration.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
But when we talk about what's happening statewide, until.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
We in Louisville start to build coalition with our country
cousins and brothers across the state, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
You know, there's there's one hundred House members in.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
In uh in Kentucky, and there's a twenty who are
Democrat and there's eighty who's republic And in the Senate
there's thirty eight members. We just had one member switch
from Democrat to Republican, so there's six of us in
the Senate, right, And so when we talk about building power,
there's police issues with the white rule folks. There's police
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issues in Lexington and Richmond and Paducah and all these places.
And until unless we come together around these issues, we're
not gonna get anything statewide as far as policy goes.
And so we have to do a better job of, yes,
organizing here, but we have to also understand how we
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getting out across the state to hear the concerns. Because
our country brothers and sisters and cousins, they got the
same of fighting the same issues.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
It just looks a little bit different, but it's the
same thing across the state.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I want we're gonna wrap this up. But as I
heard you talking just now, I can literally see people saying,
which leads us right to the last topic. I can
literally see people saying, Oh, Katora got the big head.
Now she's talking about state stuff. Now she wanted to
talk about going to these other communities. Why not just
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focus on Louisville. See, that's why we shouldn't have elected her.
She got the big head, you know, and I can
hear it. Yeah, I know how it goes because you
have a Now that you've been in elected office, you
see the full playing field. And sometimes when people only
live in there, they're not i won't say small, but
limited square footage. They don't understand how the bigger pie.
(34:37):
And when you start pulling on them to move this
way and to stretch that way, it becomes problematic because
they just the division is too big. So do you
feel like that it's happening to you a little bit?
And how are you gonna combat it? How are you
going to bring people along with you to help to
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educate them on the process so they know, so that
when you're not in Louisville, and it doesn't mean you're
not on the job.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yeah, I mean absolutely I feeling. But what for some
people don't know. I'm not from Louisville. I'm born and
raised in Richmond, Kentucky. The county that I grew up in,
Madison County is the first county that starts Appalachia.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So I'm country. And I was just home two weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
We had a fish fried it and barbecue and so like,
I know, and I have people I was, you know,
my cousins have been harassed by the police in these places,
and so I just know that that's what we need
to do. The other thing is we got the Black Church,
that is all of you, got the Baptist conventions. I'm
a andMe the amme still get together, stay wide, and
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so there are people and if we really want to
be liberated, I mean that's just what it is. And
and the people who don't want to be liberated, They're
not gonna come along with it.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
And so for me, it is that I have to
do my job and and do what God has called
me to do.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Trust me, Trust me.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
There's days I wake up and I say, God wise
is my assignment? Because sometimes it would be easier not
to be elected. You know, I would be able to
go and make more money.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm broke.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
It's hell right now. You know what I'm saying. It
would be easier not to have all eyes on me. Said, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Know, it would be easier not to have my eyes
have eyes on me.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And sorry, transferrable skill, Yeah, take these skills and do anything,
do anything you Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
To be in.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Community is a sacrifice, and we appreciate you for making
the sacrifice. I remember the first time I met you,
I had to bow down and apologize because we overlooked
your your presence, enrolled in the Brianna Law Brianna's Law fight, uh,
and did a whole campaign with all these celebrities because
(36:54):
first of all, I was just so excited that people
who usually don't want to have anything to do with
my work were like, yes, I'm ready to use my
voice from at least he always wants to have something
to do with our work. But Ellen Degenerous and all
these folks, name them all, but they all got involved,
and we did not include you in that campaign. And
I remember coming to you and just me and like,
(37:16):
I am so sorry. I mint it with all of
my art, and it's you know that's it wasn't just
the fact that you accepted my apology. It was how
you did it. You did not yell at me and
cuts me out and talk bad about me and write
on social media that I ain't shit and that until
freedom and they not. We had a conflict resolution process
(37:39):
of me repenting and you accepting and acknowledging and in
us becoming sisters from there. And I acknowledge that I
appreciate you, and I want you to know that you
are going places that you have you don't even know
it yet, right like we believe in you. I believe
that you will be a national force for our community
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and we will continue to pour resources and support into
you becoming that because you had exactly what it takes.
So anytime that you get that little feeling of being
like man, I just want to throw my hands up.
Just remember that we believe in you, thinking people are
counting on you to keep going.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Thank you, appreciate it, Thank you apprecien it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Thank y'all. Now the plot off about conflict resolution, but
I think we kind of coverage it in that we
just got to work together. Choice. This tour is all
about being God no choice, because it should have been.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Called got no choice.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Ain got no choice, Ryan, I'd like to do a
workshop every single tour now to stop safety. He ain't
got no choice.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
But to thank you, Thank you, appreciate it, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
We are that live from Louisville at the State of
the People Power Tour. The TMI Show has been live
all day interviewing so many people, local organizers, folks who
had to do national work, and it's really been incredible conversations.
And for a little while we lost my other half
(39:14):
of the t M I show, my son the General.
But now you're letting I would love to hear about
where you went. I did tell the folks, but who
could tell fecal where you were? And I'm you know,
Attorney Angelo Pinsul was our brother and also one of
the co founders of Until Freedom uh, you were with
(39:37):
my son away somewhere mysterious doing some some mysterious work. Finally,
kids tell us a little bit about aprisolia laughing, but
you want.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
To start set it off.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
We had a hardship and old Boycott Black Murder That's
right was one my Virgil which.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
Was as I loved that so yes, Angel, It is
one of the closest spirituals with get in Boycott Black's
True in which we do workshops Bongo stay to stay
here and music wake up station.
Speaker 9 (40:11):
On workshop we talk about caused them out, how they
spread in our communities, How do we combat and the
violence and out the these what are the the woot causes?
Speaker 8 (40:22):
You know, how do we chase narrative, how do we
chase the culture around it. We engaged with a lot
of the local people in the community talk about the
experiences with violence and fury.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
We had. Very was a full house. It was a focus.
There was one man unload. I think she might.
Speaker 8 (40:38):
Left, but she soon as we open up. You know,
she told us about her experience and violence, how she
was brother a cousin's when somebody got shopped in the
head inside home. In the past year, within the lance
had nothing Monts. Yeah, in March, I believe had lies
just so so I impacted by go us And how
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sometimes it causes you the wanting to tell you. So
a woman you be telling this, she she wasn't about
all the teams and she's like, you know, we talked
about all these things with Sometimes when you think about
people harming your loved ones to tikey your logos, you
want someone else to do that pain. You know, it
doesn't make do bad person, but it's just a reality
(41:23):
that nobody talks about. And it was so real, it
was it was so many different conversations with that was
willing to I had to go huggily after we had
their conversation.
Speaker 10 (41:33):
Yeah, and how you response with I think oftentimes we
do the work every day, so we do violence prevention
worth every day, and we've been doing it for so long.
I think sometimes we forget that we're talking to folks
who may not be familiar with her work, and then
the question becomes, how do you help folks understand how
this work is happening.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
So that was a lot of what we did.
Speaker 10 (41:52):
We spoke about how the reason why violence prevention work
has become so effective is because now we're looking at
violences of public health fish. That's the first pivot, right,
This is it spreads like a disease. Right, people are
affected by it and now take on some of the
tendencies that caused violence. But in places like Newark and
New York City, even in Birmingham, we've seen and implemented
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effective miles that have created change. And even in Newark
we've seen homicides go from one hundred and forty or
so to less than.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Forty in of two or three years. How did this happen? Right? One,
there was an investment that took place.
Speaker 10 (42:27):
The mayor took a million dollars out of the police
budget at one percent of the police budget, which equated
to about twenty million dollars, created the Office of Violence
Prevention and Trauma Recovery, created the Brick City Peace Collective,
which pulled all those organizations together. Identified high risk intervention
as credible messengers and individuals who could take guns out
of people's hands, stop homicides, and also change from a
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culture of violence.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
To a culture of peace.
Speaker 10 (42:53):
So it's important for people to understand I think the
nuance and how the work happens, particularly in place this
is like Louisville so they could replicate it right, because
one of the things we heard was that there was
all there is an office in Louisville that is supposed
to address violence, but we know violence has increased. So
what's not happening, that's what's not being effected. How do
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national folks and partners come into actually enhance the work
and make it effective. So we talked about all of
those things and so much more as a robust conversation.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yes, wow, and you said it was a fact house
of people will soos, communionym its ampsungs where I met
people yesterday, especially at the rally. I met people who
drove in from Cincinnati who fluent. We saw the Cincinnati
folks around the country so that they could get to
you know, people watching the tour stops. They're like, I
gotta get this so because that has something to.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Saying, and the people here are the leaders. We said
that in the room too. We said, and we said
this about Louisville all the time.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
Louisville has the answers, but oftentimes, just like in the neighborhood,
we said that, my son says it all the time.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
We've taken the neighbor out of the neighborhood and now
it's just a hood.
Speaker 10 (43:59):
And what that means is there's a culture that comes
with just being a hood, right, and how do we
transform that culture and now identify the leaders which we
have all around us and have them step into the
positions they need to step into career change because that's
the only way it's going to happen. The folks in
Louisville who are leaders have to step into leadership roles
to transform the existing ecosystem. And we've seen it time
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and time again. We don't talk about it a lot,
but I remember when we went to Apron because the
brother who got kills, Jayalen Wilbur, was shot out think
forty eight times by police, ninety two shots. And I
remember we were clear that if we left and we
weren't an integral part of their strategy, they would not
get the attention they need and this case would not
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get the account of bit And that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And I think what I heard from some folks here
in Louisville is that.
Speaker 10 (44:49):
When you don't, when Louisville doesn't get the spotlight and
attention that sometimes comes with national attention, sometimes ground is
lost too, So the question becomes, how does Louisville get
to grow and be Louisville? And how do we bring
attention to Louisville that's necessary and I think we happen
to come here in a moment where that can happen
around this consent degree piece of guess where Louisville has
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the spotlight on it. But the question becomes, what do
you do with the spotlight? How do you use it
to elevate Louisville and create real changes here? Because the
mayor's this is a different kind of mayor. We were
here when we were Yes, we were placing pressure on
the mayor he wasn't the best.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Well we know he would we could move.
Speaker 10 (45:27):
Them right, And now it's a different set of circumstances,
and the question becomes how important and can you shift
this existing mayor? And if not, who does the next
person coming behind him need to be? And how does
the community dictate that?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Well, talking about spotlight, you have your own show. Why
don't you sell folks Andrew? How do they think? How
do I hear ship, watch you, follow you and see
the content that you're producing.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
So I have a show called let It Rip. It
comes on Cuney Chief thing.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Okay again and say let it rich.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
I'll try. I have a show called Lettered Rip.
Speaker 10 (46:02):
It comes on Qunity TV and PBS, and the show
really focuses on the political sphere. We try to bring
a progressive or what we like to say, a left
leaning perspective into the media conversation because, as y'all know, oftentimes,
and this was helpful for Trump's administration, a lot of
the media is now rightly a tremendous amount and they've
(46:24):
been able to shape public perception. And I was asked
to do the show because the producers that we need
in this particular moment, new conversations around progressive.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
And left ideas.
Speaker 10 (46:35):
How do we popularize these ideas and get them to
the folks?
Speaker 1 (46:38):
So please, you know, watch Letter Rep. It's a good show.
Lights in this show.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
So I just wanted to end this step for steal
Usual does amazing work outside of the is also a.
Speaker 11 (46:53):
Teacher? Is true?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Where are you?
Speaker 5 (46:57):
So?
Speaker 10 (46:57):
I was the inaugural Activist and Residence at the Yale University,
So we actually created the program, and now the second
activist and residence is coming there too, and they're actually
working on gun violence. So they focus specifically on gun violence.
I'm an adjunct at Seaton Hall and i teach a
community practitioner class at Kane University of ma Jerdy, so
I teach a lot.
Speaker 7 (47:17):
There's a lot of the version what we talked about when.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
We talk about this violence intervention, we're talking about what
is going to be necessary. So it's going to take
really good ship and it's.
Speaker 8 (47:32):
Going to take incredible message being. That's the main thing
and we spoke about in our meeting. It was young people.
We told them about how those need who's smileling the
liars and talk about your emotion.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
Telling That's one of the things why did about in
one so because to talk about the street speed or
it's say you run a lot of issues with women,
it's good woman's shool. This is a.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Hooters.
Speaker 12 (48:05):
Don't call me because you know New Year's you know.
So those are big conversations. Those are very conversation and
any time so you're gonna do this is We.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Jumped around is with me camera and we told one
of the big pieces we mentioned is that community control.
Speaker 10 (48:25):
We said what we've seen shipped around communities that have
less violence is that communities have taken control over.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
How they address safety.
Speaker 10 (48:33):
Right, It's not just that, you know, we don't want
the police to do what they do, but we know
the community has a particular skill set that oftentimes is
not funded and not utilized, and when we come in and.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Do the work, we allow that to flourish. Thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Your off intil co founded until freedom, So thank you
so much everybody who has tuned in. If you have
not watched all of the interviews that we were able
to capture during the Louisville stop of the State of
the People Power Tour, please go to our YouTube page
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which is at TMI Show PC on YouTube. You can
watch all of videos. In fact, you can watch many
of the episodes of the TMI Show, but you can
find all of the interviews of what took place on
this tour. I know folks are saying, what's the point,
what's the objectives? What are you guys doing? You can
find that information out And as far as these particular interviews,
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we've had some very powerful people. You heard from Pastor
Mike McBride, you heard from Tef Pohe, you heard from
Attorney Lanita Baker, you heard from, of course, Attorney Angela Raie.
You also heard from Dowana Thompson, one of the baddest
organizers in America.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
You also heard.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
From Karen Finney, who is a political commentator and has
been one of the key organizers on this tour as well.
And today you heard from our dear sisters Nicole Hayden
and Katura Heron. So we have it's action packed and
if you haven't listened in, please make sure you go
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yes, my brother AT, our brother At Mitchell Man is
trying to get his conviction sponged and he started his
whole campaign called free At No More Bars, So I'm
definitely representing for him.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I need to get me a T shirt.
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Free AT. This is our brother who is the anti
violent Czar of New York City. That's number one AT
and I started along with Erika Ford many many years ago,
working to get resources in New York City for anti
violence work. You all have heard us talk about this
before We start garted out with no money.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We got to five million after.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Really pressuring the elected officials to focus on grassroots efforts
that would help us to curb violence in the community.
We went through a whole lot, but we went from
again zero to five million and now over one hundred million.
Dollars that is being invested into local grassroots groups around
the city, and the data is very clear that where
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these programs exist, people are absolutely bringing the number of
violent incidents down, giving our youth more opportunities, and just
also providing holistic approaches to dealing with violence that does
not lean on police encounters and police intervention.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They're still of course.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Issues with in terms of policing in these communities. I
can't say that it's solved the problem, but we know
that they're.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Based upon the data.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
We know that there has been some significant change, and
our brother At is one of the leaders of that movement.
He really keeps the community of anti violence, the CBI
community violence intervention movement, and the crisis management system operating
across the city. And as you said, now he has
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a campaign to get his own record expunged, and we
support at one hundred percent. We ask that people who
are listening, doesn't matter if you're from New York City,
you can be from anywhere around the country, learn more
about At and support his campaign for the expungement of
his records. So we love you, At, We support you
with with you free at, Free At.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Because if free At, if you have free at.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Then next comes me. I like that campaign. I like
the campaign.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So the State of the People Power Tour is has
really been an incredible labor of love. I tell you,
while we have definitely been engaged, we haven't worked nearly
as hard as some of the people who have been
twenty four hours.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I have to give a shout out to our own Victoria.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Panel who has been vickyp that's right, the Until Freedom
Representative holding us down as we work on a million projects,
book tours, boycott black murder, the work that you all
are doing in Newark and around the country. Of course,
Angelo building a whole conference that is you know that
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is actually in progress right now. I mean, there's so
much happening, and we've been so busy. And it was
my birthday, which was a major production that landed.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
In the middle of it.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Your birthday also landed in the middle of the tour,
so we had a lot going on. We were present often.
We led at least two particular cities. And when I
say led, you know, yes, we picked those cities. We
supported the infrastructure and worked alongside our people in Newark,
New Jersey, and of course in Louisville, Kentucky as much
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as possible in other cities where we supported. But the
team members, the many team members with Angela Rae and
a number of people I don't want to get myself
in trouble, have worked like I don't even know how
to explain the type of effort that has been put
into this tour.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And you know, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That the main thing that people need to know is
that rather than sitting around with our lips poked out,
complaining about what isn't and who didn't do this and
who hurt our feelings and all of that, and you know,
and definitely in this political climate, rather than sitting around
and just kind of looking hopeless, we said, no, we
actually have a lot of power, and we're going to
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do what we always do, which is to go into
our local communities and spend the type of time necessary learning,
loving up on our people, collaborating with our people, dealing
with some of the backstories and the issues that we
have that need to be massaged and work through in
order for us to be able to stand together and
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to get through this turbulent time in our society. And
we said, there's so many people who have skills already.
They have resources, they're doing major work in their local communities,
and their voices just need to be uplifted. Their programs
need to be exposed to the world, their ideas need
to be supported. And when I think about what the
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tour has done and the different tour stops in terms
of the mutual aid, doing things like helping people with
groceries and with gas and electricity bills, doing things like
bringing out services of all sorts, and also uplifting local
services as well as rallies and town hall meetings and
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listening sessions and local led activities. I mean, this has
been a true not just labor of love, but labor
and all of it, all of it with the exception
of security, because you know, we gotta pick make sure
we pay security. And of course the I don't want
to say technical audiovisual team there you go, look go
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ahead to me, could get your words together.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
The audiovisual team.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Everyone else has been a volunteer unless you are a
staff person like Victoria who works for one of the
major organizations, the Coalition and the partners, and you were
assigned to support this project, to work on this project.
But overall, everybody engaged and some of the most critical
people in this entire project. They are volunteers. Every dime
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that was raised has been poured into the communities and
these local engagements. And I'm talking about when I say
people spending their own money, I'm talking about travel, everything, hotels.
I'm saying that there is and I'm not saying that
that's a model that we want to replicate and that
it needs to continue. There has to be another way
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because people can't necessarily afford it. But people believed in
this tour so much and have been home feeling frustrated.
You know, we can't just I can't sit around, and
they said, we're not gonna wait for the money. We're
gonna go and the money will meet us and things
will get done. And so I'm excited that we have
captured some of the Louisville content specifically. And you go
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ahead and talk about what your experience was being there
in Louisville for the State of the People Power tour,
and so you go ahead and you know, talk about
what your experience was in Louisville, Kentucky, and also what
the tour has really meant to you.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yes, Louisville was definitely an eye opening it just it was,
like you said, a label of love. You know, Louisville
is like our second home. You know, we had been
there a while, but when you see those familiar faces
and we go down and we're in those familiar places
to Meeka Palmer with the Katura Hauran who will be
coming up the next room, and we're talking about all
of the government officials and just the Freeway family, you know,
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and we opened up with our party and which we
met with the people and we danced and we talked
and just feeling that camaraderie and that love, you know,
based on what happened with Brianna Taylor, we've built a
family in Louisville, Kentucky. And that's why we were very adamant,
you know, even like you said, they didn't give pushback,
we were very adamant that we wanted to make sure
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that that was one of the tour stops and that
we galvanized the energy and brought some resources back to Louisville.
And they're always very appreciative, you know, and just watching
the growth from the people in Louisville, just understanding how
you know, we we seen people grow from regular protesters
to being elected officials that we watched Nicole Hayden, who
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was one of the on the ground people, just build
her own organization and just watched her become this leader
and it's just it's always beautiful to see that. But
just along with the tour, you know, the our Boycott
Black Murder shout out to Angelo. You know, we do
a training and course about boycott Black Murder, and we
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teach people what boycot Black Murder is and what it
came from, and we get engaged with community people who
have gun violence issues. Some of them have actually lost
family members to gun violence. Some of them have family
members who are in prison based off gun violence. And
the stories and the tears. It is always like very emotional.
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So that's something I love to do in each city
that we go to. But you know, this stought was,
like I said, it's a lot more personal for me,
you know, as we still fight for justice for Breonna Taylor.
You know, seeing Tamika Palmer is always something that gives
me joy and pain at the same time because I
love her so much and to see her still fighting
for Breonna Taylor, you know, it's just invigorating to me.
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So Louisville was nothing short of amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Absolutely, I think everyone felt that, and you know, as
you said, the whole Breeway family included. And we have
to make sure we give a lot of love to
Nicole Hayden and Nicole Yates, who were the co chairs,
if you will, of that tour stop. And I can
tell you it's not easy because as we know, in
every single city there's always the difference of ideas.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And opinions and that energy that we all experience.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And you know, the two of them coming together working
together was quite funny to me.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
But I love to see.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
How whether they were fighting about who was going to
present particular again ideas and strategies, or if they were
organizing other people and really trying to make sure that
everybody in the community felt involved. Whatever the issues, whatever
the things were, they ended up producing an incredible, incredible,
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incredible tour stop. And so just thankful to both of them,
and also thankful to our baby sister Jania, who is
and the she was there. Jania is the sister of
Brionna Taylor.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Who lived in there, and she's with childs and she
is with child she's about to have a baby.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So having her around carrying a little Brionna and her
stomach is so special. I'm not sure of the of
the baby, but I will say that we know Breonna
lives through Jania's belly. And so it just was exciting
and I want for toa Yes, we did have some
good moments, and so first of all, it was super high,
as it always is and Louisville always and we did
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have some powerful moments of you know, dance and like
you said, camaraderie and planting and they sent families home
with things that they need to start their gardens.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I mean, you know, great things.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But at the same time, there was some very serious discussions,
very serious panel discussions, town halls and listening sessions.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
With the community.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And so we've got a little bit of you know,
some of the discussions and the interviews that we did
for the TMI podcast the TMI Show to me gain
myisan's information. To who are our guests this week?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yes, like I already stated, Katura Hern is going to
be one of our guests, along with Nicole Hayden as
the we just finished speaking of. And to end it off,
we have our co founder of Until Freedom, attorney Angelo Pinto,
is also one of our guests today.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Check it out the TMI podcast The TMI Show with
my brother my Song, who is not here because he's
actually in a workshop here in Louisville leading a workshop
on gun violence prevention. That we are live and we're
talking directly with people who have many, many, many layers
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and levels of solutions and brilliant and strategy for our community.
And it's two super bad, super bad individuals who are
here in front of us. I want to read their
bios so that I give you the proper acknowledgment. But
then I want to talk about why the two of
you are so important to us on this show. So
Nicole Hayden, who was one of the city leads here
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in Louisville to make this incredible two days of focus
on our people and our community happen the Cole Hayden
is a Louisville based community strategist and founder of the
Friends of Nicole Network, which until Freedom has had the
privilege of supporting and collaborating with for the last five
years and also oh we excuse me. At the Friends
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of Nicole Network, she leads initiatives that empower young women
of color through mentorship and advocacy and the wake of
Brionna Taylor is killing. She served as a community liaison
for Until Freedom, That's true, helping organize protests and connect
national activists to local grassroots efforts. And then my dear sister,
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Senator Katura Heron. Now, before I even say anything else,
let me just say that she was not Senator Katura
Heron whill we first met her. She was an organizer
for ACLU Louisville. And this is not even her first
elected position. So from an organizer when we first got
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here to now two times elected, maybe three times elected,
I don't know. I mean, you'll tell us that part,
but elected to different levels, moving on up the scale
on her way to national leadership.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
In government, she is Senator Heron represents. Senator Heron represents
Kentucky's thirty fifth Senate district and has dedicated her life
to advocacy and reform. In twenty twenty, she worked with
community and elected leaders to pass Brianna's Law at the
local and state level, which with outlaw no knock warrant
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in the state of Kentucky. Some of it passed, more
work to be done, but these are two super bad
individuals who are doing work within the community, and also
just growing in your leadership. And let me say that
for us at until Freedom, to watch the growth of
this city and the individuals in the city has been
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incredible because we know we had our little hands in
different parts of how that happened. We promised Nicole Hayden
when we first met, the first weekend we were here,
the first night we sat down and had a conversation,
we promised that not only would we not exploit the community,
but that we would continue to be here and we
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would never leave. And that's a commitment that I've made
to every single family and community that I've been in
since I started over twenty years ago, because I was
told by my mentors that the most important thing you
can do is not the work when everybody is there,
but it's the work when nobody is there, right. And
we have continued that until Freedom to come back here
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and to work with the two of you. So I'm
so excited to have both of you sitting here today
our show when we talk about one hundred years un
when we talk about the one hundred days of Trump's presidency,
been trying to pair boots on the ground with legislators
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and media representatives and strategists so that we have a
feeling of what comes out. What people get to see
is that those two things have to work together. Yeah,
it's no way for us to do work with just
an elected just the boots on the ground individual. They
have to come together. So the first thing I want
to talk about for both of you is how you
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see that working together. That you are an elected leader,
how important is it for you to have the Nicole
Hayden's and everybody the people of your city, right, Melvin
and brother Big Baby and you name it, everybody Auntie right,
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pushing to help you get things done, because I think
some folks, some elected officials, don't think they need the
people until it's election time, and then the people on
the ground don't always see the need for elected officials.
So I want you all to talk about that dynamic
and how important it is.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I mean, first, thanks for having us on and always
coming back and showing love as you promise, and coming
from an organizer to now elect it. I'm actually was
talking to Angelo and I need to write these things
down to come back and teach the community because what
I realized is that the work that we were able
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to do in twenty twenty. It was organizing an organizing
strategy and an the legislative strategy. And I think oftentimes
where we fought is that either legislators just want to
do it their way or the community just wants to
do it their way, and until both of those things
is working together, then you're not going to get policy passed.
That was how we were able to get Brionna's Law
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passed as quickly as we did, obviously in the moment,
but there was a community organizing strategy, and then the
legislators the electeds had to be working behind the scenes
and figuring out what the it is because the dynamics
are different and community may not be able to always
move that elected but there's other people in this other body,
whether it's lobbyists, whether.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's other business leaders, that can move some of those people.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
And so there has to be the legislative strategy and
the community organizers strategy. And I think that that's one
of the things that I've been trying to wrap my
head around for so long, is how how do I
display and show that we've got a lot of great
people in the City of Louisville.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But I do think that you know, one.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Of the downfalls that we have is we have not
done a great job of us all coming together and
making this thing work together.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We have you seen it work that strategy of all
you know, time that you've been even organizer and or
and elected, what where have you seen the power of
the people and the legislative process come together?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I mean, honestly, Brianna's Law when we look at that
during twenty twenty, when we went to get a Brianna's
Law pass as when you called the City of Louisville,
the voicemail said press one for Breonna Taylor related issues,
two for everything else.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Wow. And what we were able to do, and what people.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Don't know is that the first piece of policy that
we gave the Metro Council, it wasn't a complete full band.
And what we actually was was fighting against was language
that we first originally gave them right and so like
we made the call and said we wanted we so legislators,
without your involvement, gave them language that you had to
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go fight or was it right? So that there was
there was community folks. Myself and a dude named Terence Sullivan.
We are the ones who actually wrote that first, the
first the first copy, and then it evolved. We gave
it to Metro Council. They ran with the language that
we had. The goal was to get coalition to work together,
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but they said they wanted to move fast, so they
took our first draft of the language and they ran
with it.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
But after we have some days to read it, we're like, no.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
We needed a complete band and we can do that,
and we can do that and so and so that's
what we actually ended up fighting.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And what we did was we had.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Like I think originally like four or five council people
this said that we support a complete band. So what
we did was we put on social media we said
we want to thank these five council people for supporting
a complete band. So then other council members was like,
well we supported, were like yeah, but you don't support
a complete band. If you want us to thank you,
you got to support a complete band. And that's how
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we was able to eventually get the four twenty six
to get behind the complete band, because at first people
was like, we can never do a complete band.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
What if there's an emergency situation, what if my daughter's kid.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Now what if this is happening, And it's like, no,
we know, and in real time, if it is that
emergency situation, law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Can go in.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
If you hear shooting in a building, you can go
in and respond. But let's be very clear that we
need to do a complete then and and common sense
and in the moment less you know when you can't
go in if it's side of emergency.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Talk about your.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Not so much the role in this, but your understanding
of the importance of community and what the legislators are doing,
even like.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Ca Tera has been like my go to terror, What
does this mean? Who does this?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And that's what we've been doing in the community, like
really taking it back.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Of course, we need the legislators and people that Metro
Council to continue to push policy, but also y'all keep
in mind that people in community and neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Don't know a lot of this language.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
And so so the expectation of people to know what
these things are, it's like, no, we got to take
it back to the streets and educate our pegion. So
that's really what we've been focusing on, like educating what
does the legislative do what does a representative do, you know,
basically having those conversations, having workshops, having training and again
when it's time to vote, having those classesm ahead of time,
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having those conversations.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Early on so that people can be informed.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
So whether that is some bullet points on a piece
of paper that we can share on social media, whether
that's some bulletpoints that we can shot in text, but
a lot of people believe it or not, just don't
know what that is. And so we just been taking
our time posts twenty twenty is to really educate community
and going inside the neighborhoods, inside of schools and educating
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our youth, making sure letting them know where they hit
seventeen that they can pre register to vote. So we've
been doing a lot of community engagement that way, like
educating the community on like what can they do before
it's time to vote, but also who's on the bound
beforehand and knowing what those roles really mean.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, you know, not every legislator gives people access to
be able to call them and ask questions. Is that
the community organized a side of you or do you
just think all politicians or to have their cell phone
numbers floating around the whole community.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
I mean, I've worked with youth my whole life. So
I've had the same numbers since I was like eighteen.
And the reason why I've kept my same numbers because
sometimes I have young people call me who I worked
with ten or fifteen years ago, and so I just
never have never gotten a different number. I mean, honestly,
sometimes it's a gift and a curse. You know, do
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people have too much access?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Do people not?
Speaker 5 (23:18):
But I am of the community of for the community,
and I want people to know that they can reach
out to me.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But I also have had to set some boundaries.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
And get people to know and understand just because you
have access to me doesn't mean you get to abuse it.
And I also have to teach people you.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Know, what my position is and what I'm able to do.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
But I believe given access, it's important.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
But it is a tight line.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Because we have to also take care of ourselves in
order for us to continue to do the work.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
How important is that that you can pick up the
phone the call and say, hey, I'm getting ready to
go to a meeting, and I don't know myself right Like,
that's another problem that I think some of us and
I don't have this issue. I thank God that he
delivered me from me knowing everything. I don't know. Yeah,
it's okay. You can look at me like I'm dumb,
and I'll raise my hand in the room full of
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people and say, I don't understand the words that you're saying.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yeah, you know, straight up, I don't know ever you know,
And I'm not trying to act like how important has
that been for you to be able to call Katuro
or Shamika whomever and say, help me understand this so
I could go relay it, especially to our.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Young people who need to know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It's very important.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Like, look, serious, off, she was one of us before
she became in office, so she's been booths on the ground.
So just having those connections, even Shamika person Ryan like that,
we were all booths on the ground together, and I
knew that once they leveled up, they were going to
be important to me to be able to communicate to
the community. And to me, it's like, you gotta have that,
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you gotta have that connection.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You gotta know who's doing what.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
And even stepping outside of the norm to pick up
the phone I see her and moving around in traffic
to like hey, peace, what this mean? But she's always
encouraging you got this, you can do this. And even
who's next in line, even if it's not yournico, who's
next in line?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Who do we need to get a part?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
And I've be like, Okay, this young person, this young person,
let's let's get them connected with you.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Let's get them in conversation. It may not be this.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Sure, it may be three years down the line, but
we need to get them in communication and conversation to
know what's now. But I was gonna shay, you know
one of the things that you said, I tell people
that as well. I don't know everything. My background is
juvenile justice. That's what I know, front to back. You
can't tell me nothing about it. But there's other things
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about housing that I need, you know, information about or
about colds and rags. I don't know that language, you know,
And so so it is important. And I actually lean
on some of the folks who know more than me
and prepare.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Me for meeting.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
So one of my homegirls gave me the whole thing
for a meeting that I just had, and the person
I was meeting with was like, that's an excellent idea,
and ran with it and it wasn't me, but it
was somebody from the community who is an expert. And
so my role as well, it's to take their expertise
and the meet, right, it does.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
You will you include that person with you on the
journey to getting there.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yes, they don't want to be because it's political, but
that if they did, they would definitely be there. But
they know that it's best for me to have the seat.
But they're giving me the information. And so after the meeting,
I'm like, yo, they did you know? They writing it
down and I need to get them a document in
the next two days and so then meet me and
that person collaborated was able to send this document and
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it's going to.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Be rolled out in a way.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
But it's their expertise that I'm allowed to take, you know,
to the rooms because I don't know everything.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So the last thing I want to talk of two things.
I'm going to ask you all about the inspiration of
this tour, which has been hard and we know that
we are saying that in every conversation. It's not easy,
So we'll talk about some of that. But the consent decreed, right,
I feel like it's such a slap in the face
to watch the federal government say that our lives don't matter,
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because we know that the investigation that was done to
get to the point of a court order, which is
the consent decry, it uncovered what you all already knew,
which is that there's an abuse of police power in
this city. That many of our young people and particularly
people in general who live in the West End and
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other places that are deeply concentrated with folks who are
under resource, are under siege with policing here in the city.
Let me tell you, Louisville. You know, I protested a
lot of places. I've been a lot of places, and
we've been in some contentious fights across this country. But
here there is almost a ku klux Klan mentality policing,
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or at least it was during the summer of twenty twenty,
and the militia was out there mixed up with the
police doing whatever they wanted to do, whatever reason. When
they had the we were under what you call it.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
A time purfumey.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Why do wife folk with the big guns were under
excuse me, senator, why do wife folks with the guns
was still able to be out and the police wasn't
chasing them, but they were chasing us. That's an issue.
And so this the Department of Justice's findings about all
of the issues, the corruption and the abuse was very serious.
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And to have the federal government decide to go further
than just investigating to nashally say, here's a court order
that you all have to follow in this city, and
now we have a mayor who took a long time
to sign it. It was a bite to get him
to sign it. What do you think he's going to
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do now? What do you all want to see him do?
And what do you how do you feel knowing that
the blood, sweat and tears. I think about Travis, our
young brother, who gave his light literally in this work,
leaving a protest that gay when he was killed. What
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does it feel like to watch our rights and the
work that has been done just rolled back. You can
start with you, Nicole, and then can you talk about
as an elected official in this state, what work has
to be done to make sure that the consent decree
is abided by even without the federal government's input. For
me and my role is just to continue to keep
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the community inspired.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Through everything that's going on it, you know, especially with
a concent degree. There are people that have been on
the ground organizing trying to submit a resolution I think
as of tomorrow, and it's basically to encourage them. That's
really been my role. You know, it hurts, you know
what I'm saying to say, it doesn't hurt. It hurts,
you know, but again, you know, not to be consumed
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with all of it. Is to keep them encourage for
me has been my role and allow them to you know,
continue to feed me with information so that I can
give it away to the community. So as they've been
organizing on the ground with it, with officials, with themselves
taking that resolution that they're going to be presenting tomorrow
and being able to tell the community about what that is.
(30:42):
Like today, we have a workshop that the toks Abauthical
Scent degree. A lot of people don't know exactly what
that is, that language. So just having those workshops and
those conversations for community has really been my role in this.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
You know, it was It's very hurtful.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
And I think that during the time like the it's
a time for individual self reflection and collective self reflection,
and that's what I've tried to do, you know, since
we heard. But but but what I what I think
or what I what I've come to is is that one, uh,
the work is the same no matter who's elected. And
(31:19):
I think that that is something that oftentimes we forget
as people. Is is that uh and when I say
that the work is the same, the strategy is different,
is is that we as a community should.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Have been more, been doing more to be prepared for
this moment. Right.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
And so now as a leader, I'm thinking, what what
can I do to take the information and expertise that
I've had as an organizer to now as an elected
to continue to educate the community. One two Regardless, I'm
gonna make sure I'm in the room.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Right.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And so the mayor just announced that he's doing a
I forgot what they called it, but it's gonna be
eight community members, I think, seven elected officials and some organizations,
and I'm gonna make sure as an elected official that
I've got to a seat at that table.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
And and it's hard because the community is like, hell, no,
this is not what we want. We have right, Heck no,
this is not what we want, but we have.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, but we have to Okay, yeah, yeah, he had
are the are that, But but it is my roe
again to be at the table and take the voices
and the concerns of the people and and be there.
And so as an elected I have to want encourage
my other elected officials that we have to stay on
top of this, that we have to continue to put
(32:37):
pressure on this mayor administration.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
But when we talk about what's happening statewide, until.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
We in Louisville start to build coalition with our country
cousins and brothers across the state, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
You know, there's there's one hundred House members in.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
In uh in Kentucky, and there's a twenty who are
Democrat and there's eighty who's republic And in the Senate
there's thirty eight members. We just had one member switch
from Democrat to Republican, so there's six of us in
the Senate, right, And so when we talk about building power,
there's police issues with the white rule folks. There's police
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issues in Lexington and Richmond and Paducah and all these places.
And until unless we come together around these issues, we're
not gonna get anything statewide as far as policy goes.
And so we have to do a better job of, yes,
organizing here, but we have to also understand how we
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getting out across the state to hear the concerns. Because
our country brothers and sisters and cousins, they got the
same of fighting the same issues.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
It just looks a little bit different, but it's the
same thing across the state.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I want we're gonna wrap this up. But as I
heard you talking just now, I can literally see people saying,
which leads us right to the last topic. I can
literally see people saying, Oh, Katora got the big head.
Now she's talking about state stuff. Now she wanted to
talk about going to these other communities. Why not just
(34:13):
focus on Louisville. See, that's why we shouldn't have elected her.
She got the big head, you know, and I can
hear it. Yeah, I know how it goes because you
have a Now that you've been in elected office, you
see the full playing field. And sometimes when people only
live in there, they're not i won't say small, but
limited square footage. They don't understand how the bigger pie.
(34:37):
And when you start pulling on them to move this
way and to stretch that way, it becomes problematic because
they just the division is too big. So do you
feel like that it's happening to you a little bit?
And how are you gonna combat it? How are you
going to bring people along with you to help to
(34:58):
educate them on the process so they know, so that
when you're not in Louisville, and it doesn't mean you're
not on the job.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yeah, I mean absolutely I feeling. But what for some
people don't know. I'm not from Louisville. I'm born and
raised in Richmond, Kentucky. The county that I grew up in,
Madison County is the first county that starts Appalachia.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So I'm country. And I was just home two weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
We had a fish fried it and barbecue and so like,
I know, and I have people I was, you know,
my cousins have been harassed by the police in these places,
and so I just know that that's what we need
to do. The other thing is we got the Black Church,
that is all of you, got the Baptist conventions. I'm
a andMe the amme still get together, stay wide, and
(35:42):
so there are people and if we really want to
be liberated, I mean that's just what it is. And
and the people who don't want to be liberated, They're
not gonna come along with it.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
And so for me, it is that I have to
do my job and and do what God has called
me to do.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Trust me, Trust me.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
There's days I wake up and I say, God wise
is my assignment? Because sometimes it would be easier not
to be elected. You know, I would be able to
go and make more money.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm broke.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
It's hell right now. You know what I'm saying. It
would be easier not to have all eyes on me. Said, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Know, it would be easier not to have my eyes
have eyes on me.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And sorry, transferrable skill, Yeah, take these skills and do anything,
do anything you Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
To be in.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Community is a sacrifice, and we appreciate you for making
the sacrifice. I remember the first time I met you,
I had to bow down and apologize because we overlooked
your your presence, enrolled in the Brianna Law Brianna's Law fight, uh,
and did a whole campaign with all these celebrities because
(36:54):
first of all, I was just so excited that people
who usually don't want to have anything to do with
my work were like, yes, I'm ready to use my
voice from at least he always wants to have something
to do with our work. But Ellen Degenerous and all
these folks, name them all, but they all got involved,
and we did not include you in that campaign. And
I remember coming to you and just me and like,
(37:16):
I am so sorry. I mint it with all of
my art, and it's you know that's it wasn't just
the fact that you accepted my apology. It was how
you did it. You did not yell at me and
cuts me out and talk bad about me and write
on social media that I ain't shit and that until
freedom and they not. We had a conflict resolution process
(37:39):
of me repenting and you accepting and acknowledging and in
us becoming sisters from there. And I acknowledge that I
appreciate you, and I want you to know that you
are going places that you have you don't even know
it yet, right like we believe in you. I believe
that you will be a national force for our community
(38:01):
and we will continue to pour resources and support into
you becoming that because you had exactly what it takes.
So anytime that you get that little feeling of being
like man, I just want to throw my hands up.
Just remember that we believe in you, thinking people are
counting on you to keep going.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Thank you, appreciate it, Thank you apprecien it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Thank y'all. Now the plot off about conflict resolution, but
I think we kind of coverage it in that we
just got to work together. Choice. This tour is all
about being God no choice, because it should have been.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Called got no choice.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Ain got no choice, Ryan, I'd like to do a
workshop every single tour now to stop safety. He ain't
got no choice.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
But to thank you, Thank you, appreciate it, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
We are that live from Louisville at the State of
the People Power Tour. The TMI Show has been live
all day interviewing so many people, local organizers, folks who
had to do national work, and it's really been incredible conversations.
And for a little while we lost my other half
(39:14):
of the t M I show, my son the General.
But now you're letting I would love to hear about
where you went. I did tell the folks, but who
could tell fecal where you were? And I'm you know,
Attorney Angelo Pinsul was our brother and also one of
the co founders of Until Freedom uh, you were with
(39:37):
my son away somewhere mysterious doing some some mysterious work. Finally,
kids tell us a little bit about aprisolia laughing, but
you want.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
To start set it off.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
We had a hardship and old Boycott Black Murder That's
right was one my Virgil which.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
Was as I loved that so yes, Angel, It is
one of the closest spirituals with get in Boycott Black's
True in which we do workshops Bongo stay to stay
here and music wake up station.
Speaker 9 (40:11):
On workshop we talk about caused them out, how they
spread in our communities, How do we combat and the
violence and out the these what are the the woot causes?
Speaker 8 (40:22):
You know, how do we chase narrative, how do we
chase the culture around it. We engaged with a lot
of the local people in the community talk about the
experiences with violence and fury.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
We had. Very was a full house. It was a focus.
There was one man unload. I think she might.
Speaker 8 (40:38):
Left, but she soon as we open up. You know,
she told us about her experience and violence, how she
was brother a cousin's when somebody got shopped in the
head inside home. In the past year, within the lance
had nothing Monts. Yeah, in March, I believe had lies
just so so I impacted by go us And how
(41:03):
sometimes it causes you the wanting to tell you. So
a woman you be telling this, she she wasn't about
all the teams and she's like, you know, we talked
about all these things with Sometimes when you think about
people harming your loved ones to tikey your logos, you
want someone else to do that pain. You know, it
doesn't make do bad person, but it's just a reality
(41:23):
that nobody talks about. And it was so real, it
was it was so many different conversations with that was
willing to I had to go huggily after we had
their conversation.
Speaker 10 (41:33):
Yeah, and how you response with I think oftentimes we
do the work every day, so we do violence prevention
worth every day, and we've been doing it for so long.
I think sometimes we forget that we're talking to folks
who may not be familiar with her work, and then
the question becomes, how do you help folks understand how
this work is happening.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
So that was a lot of what we did.
Speaker 10 (41:52):
We spoke about how the reason why violence prevention work
has become so effective is because now we're looking at
violences of public health fish. That's the first pivot, right,
This is it spreads like a disease. Right, people are
affected by it and now take on some of the
tendencies that caused violence. But in places like Newark and
New York City, even in Birmingham, we've seen and implemented
(42:15):
effective miles that have created change. And even in Newark
we've seen homicides go from one hundred and forty or
so to less than.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Forty in of two or three years. How did this happen? Right? One,
there was an investment that took place.
Speaker 10 (42:27):
The mayor took a million dollars out of the police
budget at one percent of the police budget, which equated
to about twenty million dollars, created the Office of Violence
Prevention and Trauma Recovery, created the Brick City Peace Collective,
which pulled all those organizations together. Identified high risk intervention
as credible messengers and individuals who could take guns out
of people's hands, stop homicides, and also change from a
(42:51):
culture of violence.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
To a culture of peace.
Speaker 10 (42:53):
So it's important for people to understand I think the
nuance and how the work happens, particularly in place this
is like Louisville so they could replicate it right, because
one of the things we heard was that there was
all there is an office in Louisville that is supposed
to address violence, but we know violence has increased. So
what's not happening, that's what's not being effected. How do
(43:15):
national folks and partners come into actually enhance the work
and make it effective. So we talked about all of
those things and so much more as a robust conversation.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yes, wow, and you said it was a fact house
of people will soos, communionym its ampsungs where I met
people yesterday, especially at the rally. I met people who
drove in from Cincinnati who fluent. We saw the Cincinnati
folks around the country so that they could get to
you know, people watching the tour stops. They're like, I
gotta get this so because that has something to.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Saying, and the people here are the leaders. We said
that in the room too. We said, and we said
this about Louisville all the time.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
Louisville has the answers, but oftentimes, just like in the neighborhood,
we said that, my son says it all the time.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
We've taken the neighbor out of the neighborhood and now
it's just a hood.
Speaker 10 (43:59):
And what that means is there's a culture that comes
with just being a hood, right, and how do we
transform that culture and now identify the leaders which we
have all around us and have them step into the
positions they need to step into career change because that's
the only way it's going to happen. The folks in
Louisville who are leaders have to step into leadership roles
to transform the existing ecosystem. And we've seen it time
(44:23):
and time again. We don't talk about it a lot,
but I remember when we went to Apron because the
brother who got kills, Jayalen Wilbur, was shot out think
forty eight times by police, ninety two shots. And I
remember we were clear that if we left and we
weren't an integral part of their strategy, they would not
get the attention they need and this case would not
(44:43):
get the account of bit And that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And I think what I heard from some folks here
in Louisville is that.
Speaker 10 (44:49):
When you don't, when Louisville doesn't get the spotlight and
attention that sometimes comes with national attention, sometimes ground is
lost too, So the question becomes, how does Louisville get
to grow and be Louisville? And how do we bring
attention to Louisville that's necessary and I think we happen
to come here in a moment where that can happen
around this consent degree piece of guess where Louisville has
(45:10):
the spotlight on it. But the question becomes, what do
you do with the spotlight? How do you use it
to elevate Louisville and create real changes here? Because the
mayor's this is a different kind of mayor. We were
here when we were Yes, we were placing pressure on
the mayor he wasn't the best.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Well we know he would we could move.
Speaker 10 (45:27):
Them right, And now it's a different set of circumstances,
and the question becomes how important and can you shift
this existing mayor? And if not, who does the next
person coming behind him need to be? And how does
the community dictate that?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Well, talking about spotlight, you have your own show. Why
don't you sell folks Andrew? How do they think? How
do I hear ship, watch you, follow you and see
the content that you're producing.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
So I have a show called let It Rip. It
comes on Cuney Chief thing.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Okay again and say let it rich.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
I'll try. I have a show called Lettered Rip.
Speaker 10 (46:02):
It comes on Qunity TV and PBS, and the show
really focuses on the political sphere. We try to bring
a progressive or what we like to say, a left
leaning perspective into the media conversation because, as y'all know, oftentimes,
and this was helpful for Trump's administration, a lot of
the media is now rightly a tremendous amount and they've
(46:24):
been able to shape public perception. And I was asked
to do the show because the producers that we need
in this particular moment, new conversations around progressive.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
And left ideas.
Speaker 10 (46:35):
How do we popularize these ideas and get them to
the folks?
Speaker 1 (46:38):
So please, you know, watch Letter Rep. It's a good show.
Lights in this show.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
So I just wanted to end this step for steal
Usual does amazing work outside of the is also a.
Speaker 11 (46:53):
Teacher? Is true?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Where are you?
Speaker 5 (46:57):
So?
Speaker 10 (46:57):
I was the inaugural Activist and Residence at the Yale University,
So we actually created the program, and now the second
activist and residence is coming there too, and they're actually
working on gun violence. So they focus specifically on gun violence.
I'm an adjunct at Seaton Hall and i teach a
community practitioner class at Kane University of ma Jerdy, so
I teach a lot.
Speaker 7 (47:17):
There's a lot of the version what we talked about when.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
We talk about this violence intervention, we're talking about what
is going to be necessary. So it's going to take
really good ship and it's.
Speaker 8 (47:32):
Going to take incredible message being. That's the main thing
and we spoke about in our meeting. It was young people.
We told them about how those need who's smileling the
liars and talk about your emotion.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
Telling That's one of the things why did about in
one so because to talk about the street speed or
it's say you run a lot of issues with women,
it's good woman's shool. This is a.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Hooters.
Speaker 12 (48:05):
Don't call me because you know New Year's you know.
So those are big conversations. Those are very conversation and
any time so you're gonna do this is We.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Jumped around is with me camera and we told one
of the big pieces we mentioned is that community control.
Speaker 10 (48:25):
We said what we've seen shipped around communities that have
less violence is that communities have taken control over.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
How they address safety.
Speaker 10 (48:33):
Right, It's not just that, you know, we don't want
the police to do what they do, but we know
the community has a particular skill set that oftentimes is
not funded and not utilized, and when we come in and.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Do the work, we allow that to flourish. Thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Your off intil co founded until freedom, So thank you
so much everybody who has tuned in. If you have
not watched all of the interviews that we were able
to capture during the Louisville stop of the State of
the People Power Tour, please go to our YouTube page
(49:09):
which is at TMI Show PC on YouTube. You can
watch all of videos. In fact, you can watch many
of the episodes of the TMI Show, but you can
find all of the interviews of what took place on
this tour. I know folks are saying, what's the point,
what's the objectives? What are you guys doing? You can
find that information out And as far as these particular interviews,
(49:33):
we've had some very powerful people. You heard from Pastor
Mike McBride, you heard from Tef Pohe, you heard from
Attorney Lanita Baker, you heard from, of course, Attorney Angela Raie.
You also heard from Dowana Thompson, one of the baddest
organizers in America.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
You also heard.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
From Karen Finney, who is a political commentator and has
been one of the key organizers on this tour as well.
And today you heard from our dear sisters Nicole Hayden
and Katura Heron. So we have it's action packed and
if you haven't listened in, please make sure you go
download all the episodes, whether you are listening or watching
(50:12):
on YouTube.
Speaker 11 (50:14):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
We're gonna tell you that we love you because we
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