Pull Up for Peace Conference- Part 3 Guest: Hakim Green from Channel Live

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Mallory and it's your boy, my son in general, we
are your host of t M I Tamika and my
Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
New Name, New Energy.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
What's going on, Tamika D. Mallory.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Life is happening life, It's life in yes, cut, I'm
in a real good period in my life. I was
having such a good time these last few days, even
though I don't know, like it's a lot of problems
going on. But if you, you know, if you got
good friends and good people around you, you still can
figure out how to create like these slither moments, real

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small moments of peace and joy.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm dealing with teenagers, you know, so that's male. Teenagers
are very strange thing.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's thirteen thirty girls, you know, thirteen fourteen year old.
They have this mindset. So I got my son who's
about to be fourteen, and then my nephew is about
to be thirteen. And then my other two's my other
son who's eleven, and my other nephew that is I

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think nine or ten. So all of these boys, and
it's just dealing with all of these energies and it's
just a lot. But you know, I'm loving it because
you know, you just gotta I love molding young men.
I love watching young boys grow into young men. You know,
a lot of times they hard headed, but then they
get very attentive and they pay attention to things that

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you don't think they're paying attention to. So just watching
it's crazy that all for of these boys is at
like different stages. And they're like one between one and
two years apart, so they're at different stages and you
just see the different stages in each of them.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
So it's a thing watching that.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So that's been pretty much with Yeah, that's pretty much
what I've been dealing with for this.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Nothing better than cousins though, Like cousins are the best
because even your siblings fight.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
You don't always agree, you know, but they.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
All fight though, But like what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
What happens is that the cousins fight against the kids,
like the brothers, Like the cousins will join forces against
the little brothers, like the big cousins George forced against
the little brothers, and they all start picking on the
little ones and then you gotta fight and then they
join together and just it's just be too much.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
It's a lot going on.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
It's politics. Everything is political. Everything even kids hanging out
its political. But it's still like I just think about
during the summertime, getting to go to my cousin's house
in the stadium and go.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know, I didn't care, and they would treat me
so bad.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Sometimes some of my cousins would treat me so bad
and guess what, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
And I was also talkative.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I thought I was smart, I knew everything, so they
would treat me pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
But I still wanted to go. I don't care. I
still wanted to be under them.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
They want you to be quiet, I want you to stop.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
More than that, it was more than that. It was
more than that kids be just mean.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Your kids are definits these kids say to each other.
It's just like yeah, but you.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Know, I'm still Probably maybe I was a mean cousin
to it, so maybe it wasn't. I don't know, though
I don't think I was really mean to my younger cousins.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I don't think I was.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
We still got in a mischief.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
It was a couple of my cousins that was really
mean to me, and like I always kept getting back,
Like I used to tell them I don't want to
go there ever. Again, some of them I wanted to
hang around. Like it was a couple of my cousins
that was real cool, that we always had good times,
but it was a couple of them, I don't want
nothing to do. And this girl it was girls too.
The girls cousins was way meaner than my boy cousins

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was to me. So I had an issue with that,
but I grew out of it and we're kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Now, Okay, cool, now, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
So we are still doing our pull Up for p series.
You know, last week we had Lakeisha Yuri and our
brother at Mitchell Man in their interview cre At in
his campaign and we talked about their book and the
work that they do and it was a very dope interview.
So if you didn't see it, go back and watch that.

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And today we got another person who was at the
Pull Up for Peace conference who is a hip hop
legend historian.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
He's an educator.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know, he is definitely one of the premier people
when you talk about what's going on in New York.
You know, he's one of the founders of twenty four
hours of Piece, you know, and he's a friend of ours,
you know, Hakeem Green from Channel Live, the legendary group
Channel Live. So that will be the interview that features today,

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the interview that I have because you weren't there.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
You was going handling something else, so I said.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I listened to a lot of it though I was there.
In and out.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay, well I sat down.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
It was a great interview.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I mean, all the content from Pull Up for Peace
has been powerful, and I'm so thankful to Jamilla, doctor Jimillar, T. Davis,
and to our team Janis Rodriguez and others that we
were able to do that. Because there's one thing to
bring people into the studio or to you know, do
a zoom interview, but it's something else to be able

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to pull people right in the midst of them doing
their work when they're feeling inspired or maybe even feeling
upset or whatever they're experiencing, to be able to share
with them in the moment, and Pull Up for Peace
with such a sacred space where people anybody who was
there it should have been. You can't always say what

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everybody is going to do, because that's not a thing.
Everybody doesn't do any one thing at any particular time.
But the majority of the people who showed up for
pull Up for Peace were there for a progressive reason,
for a positive engagement with other people who are putting
their lives on the line to address the needs of

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our community. And I think, you know, being able to
give space to something like that, it's powerful that. Until
Freedom was a part of it, we had a beautiful
white party that.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Was amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
And Haiken was there at the white party with us, so,
you know, and and what people say, what is a party? Yeah,
the conference was long. The conference had many pieces. Until
Freedom had panels, we were involved in multiple discussions. You know,
we helped with with the curating some of the ideas
around that. But our people deserve enjoyment also, that's.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, that's what the conference is.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
If you look at most of the conference I'm going to,
there is a plethora of information, education, building next steps.
And during the nighttime there's parties, there's things to unwind.
You don't want to nobody wants to feel all stuffy
all the time, you.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Know, stuffy.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, we had Janis came to some of the parties.
She was outside with us. She had a little white
outfit or.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
A right she just happened to have white pack because
be sure didn't take the time to explain all of
the They were just like meet us in Atlantic City, We.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Got you a peace.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
But it was actually a really good conference, and I
think the content is so strong. I can't wait to
see the documentary or the little docuseries, not little, the
docuseries that comes out from the conference.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
So I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
So that's gonna be our interview for today, Hakeem Green.
But before that, we got to get into some topics.
So much stuff happening. Oh my mama, you could just
take a piece some straws and pick one and say
what you want to deal with today, because there's so
much that's happening. And I think, you know, we've been

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saying a big part of what's going on in this
nation is to keep people distracted by having everybody spending
in a cycle that every day is something different.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
You know, you're fighting on every end.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
And we also have things we're dealing with just in
our local cities.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
And I hope that folks.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Around the country are paying attention to their local politics
while this national stuff is happening because the Big nasty,
disgusting Billionaire Bill, the BBL, could not have passed without
local politicians voting for it. So you could sit and
say Trump because Trump has a mindset that is the

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is the the spirit behind some of this cruel and
disgusting behavior. Nonetheless, people can stop it if they want to.
And so your local politics matter because the local elected
officials are the ones who made the bill pass. So
they are the ones who helped Trump to sign into

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law some of the most regressive policies and decisions from
our government ever in terms of going backwards, right, like
you've never gone back this far, but it certainly is
taking us to a place where we start. They're trying
to get back to that. Please, so we you know

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the local politics. We can't express to you all enough
how important it is for you to be monitoring finding out.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Who voted for the bill. What are you know.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Which congressional members, which senators supported this bill and not
waiting because they say that the impact of it, the
effects of the disgusting what is being called by the
Trump administration the Big Beautiful Bill, But we are saying
the BBL, which is the Big Billionaires Bill, because it
is absolutely designed to put more money in the pockets

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of billionaires and left and to rob you.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
In order to do it, you.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Have to be paying attention to your local politics, paying
attention to what's happening in your community, find out who
voted for it, when are they up for reelection, and
how do you join those who will fight to keep
them from being re elected.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
To your local communities.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
So let's talk about my the end of the day,
which is off topic completely, but it is something that
is so real to me, and I know you experience it.
I talked to Jannis about it all the time. For
those who may be like Jannis jen Yes, don't you
ever forget. Janis has been the producer for our show
for I don't know how many It's been years and

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years and years now. So you might not see you
on camera one day. We'll get over here, interviewer, but
we talk about it. And I have many friends who
are now entering the age of and the stage of
being the parent to the young adults. Right, so we
are now the parents of the young adults. You talked

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about teenagers. Teenagers, As far as I'm concerned, little babies
are easiest, even though people think little babies is so
hard because it's so much work. They're easiest to deal
with teenagers.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
They get it.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
It's a little harder, but still, but it's the young adults.
When you're the parent of.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
A young they don't have to listen to you.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
That is the part that is the more that could
give you real serious heart palpitations.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
They're gonna argue back, and they don't live with you,
and they live outside, and nigga on the phone and
you and they hang up and all types of stuff.
You cuss them out and then they don't cuss you,
oh back, but they want to.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
They still do whatever you want to and make whatever decisions.
And I think that all it says to me is
two things. It says to me. One is that I
definitely have forgotten a lot about me right Like, I'm
being reminded of how much I did not listen to
certain things that my parents said at that time. And

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obviously my book I Live to Tell the Story it
covers it, and and a lot of my writing there
were moments when I was just like, oh my god, like, yeah,
I didn't listen, and if I had, things would have
been a lot different and much better in certain places
of my life. But the second thing it makes me
do is say I truly And I have said this

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for years, my son, I've been saying, I'm so sorry
to my parents, but I mean when I tell you
I'm sorry, I am. I wish there was a way
that I could repay them for the stress, aggravation, the
worry that they have gone through, even things that I

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that wasn't me being defiant but just living my life, right,
like just living every day.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Your parents are sitting there holding.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
This major bag of worry and concern, especially when we
know that that as a young adult, your discernment is
not exactly where it should be, and we know that
from the little things. It doesn't require a big old mess.
We can just tell by little things that you do
that your discernment is not where it should be. And

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so when you're operating in the big grown up world
but still walking and doing things that are not big
and grown up, it really, really, really really can take
old a person our age out.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
It really can.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Like I you know, you start feeling like, well, you know,
I've been saying lately, I'm up in age.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
I cannot handle all of this.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
It's not the same when I used to get a
call about my son did this or this happened or
that happened, or if he called me mine, ma is
the worst thing ever when the kid says my mine, bru,
it's horrible. And when it was before, I would be like, what,
it's fine. Now MA can literally send me into.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Like a what happened?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I don't know. It's bad.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, it's a lot, man, as you get older, and
I think men deal with it better because, especially when
you're dealing with men, you know, I been blessed or fortunately,
I wouldn't say, well not to have a girl, because
I think if a girl was calling me and stressing
me out, I would be stressed. I just think that
since my son is in his twenties and I've been

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twenty and I give him the information and you don't listen,
I've done my job right and I understand that you
gotta go through. So I think, man, we realize that
men have to go through something, especially young boy, y'all
have to go through because you're not gonna listen. You
think you know more, you think we, oh, we don't
know that now you don't really, and you gotta go

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through it to really understand that I know exactly what
you're going through and I'm trying to give you the information.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Now you're gonna take it or you not.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
My mother used to always say a hard head make
a soft ass, and sometimes they need that little soft ass.
So what I do is I the mother calls me,
Oh my god, I'm like, what happened? He will he
will Okay, he'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
What do you mean before? No, you will? No, because
he will. He gonna have to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
You can't save them from it right now because we
gave them the information, we told them not to do that.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
You're not gonna call me and stress me out about no.
Grown folks.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, almost very stressful because you know why, because you're
taking on the responsibility of these grown folks and you
can't because they gonna be grown.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
When grandchildren are part of these grown folks business and
their decisions, that can really really make you feel like
I gotta I have to be somewhat involved because somebody's
gotta be the voice of the child.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
There's nothing wrong with being involved, but understanding that your
involvement is limited and ultimately they gotta make their own
decisions and choices. The only thing you can do is
provide them with the proper information and let them understand
the reality. And once you do that, you can I
can sleep good. I sleep good at night. My son
could be calling me this and that. I pick up

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the phone and say what's going on, because I know
if something went wrong, it ain't because of me, because
I told you. But whatever you call me about, I
know I probably already told you about this. I'm one
hundred percent sure that if you call me and something
went wrong, I told you not to do what went
wrong already.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
So I have a clear conscience.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I could sleep well and I could look him in
the face and I can actually say I don't have
nothing else to do with it. His mother calls me
and she's all a raiding, Oh you need to do this,
and I'll be like, no, I don't need to do anything.
I've done what I was supposed to do. He is
actually twenty seven years of age right now. I've given
him all the knowledge. I've give him tools, I've given

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him the alternatives. Whatever he chooses to do at this point,
it's not on me. And I can sleep good. Yes,
I want the best for him, but sometimes he got
to go through this valley to get to the peak.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
And that's on him. But it ain't on me. And
it's not on you either, And I tell all, it's
not on you.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, but it's all work like that for us as mom.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
No, you have to understand.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's like you have to understand.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
And because the decisions that they make, we ultimately get
involved at some point, whether whether we want to or not.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
That's the problem. You ultimately get involved, and you're trying
to save them from learning.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
You can give them all of the information, and when
they don't take the information, the only thing you doing
is driving yourself to early grave. You taking on the stress.
You can't see. I watch mothers. I've watched people's mothers
be torn down by the kid, like because the mother's
trying to do everything, she losing her hair, she's giving

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every dime she's trying to save and you can't.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
It ain't gonna work for you.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Well, one thing I will say is I ain't going
to the point of losing my hair. I'm just saying
that your nervous system is very much so attached to
your young adult children, right like your nervous system because again,
you can't control what they're gonna do with decisions they're
gonna make, even when they even when they could be
doing everything wonderfully, but just a move I'm going out

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at night, you just like, oh my god. But it's
very hard, especially for a mom, when you see your
children moving about. You don't know who's the driver of
the car. You're worrying about whether or not people you know,
somebody it got some beef that your child don't even
know about, and something can happen. It's so many layers

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of things. I just I know, for me, I'm glad,
you know, I have my granddaughter. I love my granddaughter,
and I'm glad her parents are the first layer of defense.
But even with my son, my parents are just as
worried about everything that goes on every day. They the grandparents,
They still be like, Hey, you talk to that boy,
Is he all right? What do he do with this?

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What happened with that? Is this taking care of Do
they got the right food down there? They had a
blackout in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago, and they
didn't They were in the dark now, And it occurred
to me, oh my god, he doesn't have a survival kit, like,
he needs the flashlights, the candles, this, that, and the third.

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So you know what I'm doing, putting a survival kit
together because I know he needs this stuff. So and
my parents, my dad's like, he down there, it's weird.
This happened the night.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Of my birthday party.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
So I'm in my birthday party twirling around and my
dad is like, did this boy get him a flashlight?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Down there?

Speaker 4 (19:28):
He's texting us while in the thing like hey, it's
still a black a blackout. It's very high. Everybody's high.
We may have to get in the car and drop.
I'm in the in the birthday party looking at the
text message like, oh man, okay. Then I go over
my dad's like, did that boy get a flashlight? This
is happening in real time with the elderly, But that's

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what But I'm saying, it's the same thing because at
the end of the day, they should know I need
to get a good flashlight in my house, but they don't.
Oh unless you tell them. That's why you have to
stay involved as the parent. You can't just be like, well,
I done told you to take care of important things,
get your business in order, and then you don't do it,

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then it's on you, not while you got my granddaughter
in the middle of a blackout.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
SPE's for grown folks and let grown folks be grown folks.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Well they got it straight.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Now that's it. They got the flash.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Man raising or being a part of young adults development.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
It's hard work. That's my thought of the day.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Good luck with that man.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
So let's see the TA and my Lord have mercy.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
H the tm I is it too much or some
people might say it's not even enough. Deportation in the
United States says clearly that they are considering how to

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deport American citizens. And I ain't talking about an American
who was naturalized here or an American who was you know,
born from two different parents that maybe from you know,
a different country and they came here and then they

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were born. And now that I'm talking about everybody and
my family right straight up black folks. We was brought
over here, stolen to this land, right, trafficked, as they
would say, to this land. He is saying that even
those types of people parents didn't come.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
From Jamaica or.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Brazil or Belize or Dominican Republic or any of that.
They the parents and the parents' parents from here, who's
from North Carolina, Alabama? Right here, he's saying, if they
committed certain types of crimes, he should be able the

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ice should be able to go I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Maybe he didn't say ice. Maybe he just said.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Some department should be able to go in and arrest
these people and deport them, or if.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
They already arrested, they should be able to be deported exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
That's probably more of what he's saying. They in prison,
they committed a certain type of crime, they can move
them out because, by the way, even the prison system,
while they definitely want to use you know, man power
or labor, human power to make their products and answer

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the phone for the social certain not soces like a
motor vehicles and all of that in different states, they
still want that. They really don't want to have to
maintain massive facilities. So the new thing is putting the
tracker ankle bracelets on people's legs and sending them home

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and then basically incarcerating the whole house because folks are
showing up there anytime, day and night.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Check the house.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Anybody else got something going on and it ain't supposed
to be happening. If it's going on under the roof
of a person who is in home confinement, everybody can
be arrested.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Right.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
It's not the same as you needing a warrant to
get into Grandmama's house and maybe you know if you
have a warrant because you think Uncle Billy Bob is
in there doing god knows what. It ain't that, it's
if you are on home confinement. Everybody agrees that if
you are being sent to that home to do your time,
that they now have the right to come up in

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your house and search your stuff and go through things
and make determinations of who may be doing what.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
So this is one of the new forms of incarceration
is so many people are being sent home to be
on home confinement because they don't want to maintain taking
care of people, feeding them three meals a day and
having to keep these big facilities open. Okay, so while
they look at how to reduce costs, it doesn't mean

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you're not still incarcerated in that they still don't make
money somehow from the machinery from you having to check
into a building for program for work release for this,
that and the third and in some States.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
They're saying that they let.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Incarcerated individuals out of the jail at different times throughout
the day to go work. They let them go go
take the train, the bus, go where you need to
go and go work for these companies. And meanwhile, they
don't believe that you should be released to.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Go home to get a job and get yourself together.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
So you know, now the man is adding the layer
of calling people homegrown terrorists and talking about potentially putting
people who look like you and me, and nobody's gonna
believe that. They're gonna say no, no, no, it's a criminals
and they look different from us, they shouldn't have committed
a crime. Meanwhile, these people are unraveling our constitution right

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before our eyes. And were just sitting up here being
like it might be for some good, not we, but
some people are saying.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's very strange. He also was talking about how the
people who are here that's undocumented, that be working on
farms for years, no yeah, and that now they can
have they can pretty much whoever they work for could
be their owner and they can give them temporary and

(25:53):
they won't have citizenship. They could just give the It's
pretty much slavery like and then just say slavery to
I mean servitude where they can be here underneath this
person as the owner of the person sciences they owned
for them. They can't actually ever have citizenship, but they
could just be here as long as they're doing that
job and that person has to sign for them and
be in complete control and every monitor where this is unbelievable,

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Like that is the weirdest shit I've ever seen. And
people are like, well, I'm saying, you just got.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
No they said, when he said ownership, he's talking about
owning the farm, not the people. I'm like, oh wow,
y'all are really messed up. Like the propaganda has settled
in so much that even you are acting like you
don't understand. This is the reason why we know because
if somebody wrote a comment the other day on my
page and my response was so good, even I gotta

(26:46):
say that I gave good one. They said, you know,
people don't do enough research and y'all don't be knowing
what y'all are talking about. And I wrote them back
and said, I hope you don't think that I have
not researched an issue that this was about the target
boycott that I am so firmly standing on all of you.

(27:09):
Don't think that I haven't done research, because not only
have I done research, I know too much about the
historical reason for why this thing is happening and what
it looks like when said companies will say we're standing
on diversity ecting inclusion, and then some companies go align
themselves with the white supremacists right and white supremacy, and

(27:32):
it's all its ways informed.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I know too much about that.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
So guess what when we hear Donald Trump talking about
the ownership piece, basically you keep and maintain your people
who work for you, we know what he's saying, not
because we're trying to interpret it as as new information.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
This is what always was happening.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Our people fought and died to get us away from
this particular mindset. And guess what when they say make
America great again, they are talking about going back to
a time when a worker, when a person owned a
farm which is in essence a plantation, and the people

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who worked on it. You are assigned to the assigned
to those owners who were at that time called masters,
and they were responsible for your comings and goings.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
You think, for me, it is so strange Why people
think that would make sense? If a person has been
working on the farm for fifteen ten years, and they've
been doing their their job and their due diligence, and
they be paying these taxes and all that, why wouldn't
that person have a path to centicienship. Why wouldn't Why
wouldn't you want that? They've already shown that they are

(28:51):
capable of doing the job, they're reliable citizens, Like, why
why would the first thing that you want is somebody.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
To own those individuals who have already been reliable? Why
would like this? The mind state of it alone is just.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Like to see people as property or not see think
people are valuable enough to integrate into America who've come
here looking for a better life, and they've shown that
they're trustworthy doing the things that's necessary. Why would you
want to take that from these people and then put
them on the ownership of another individual?

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Why would people think that.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Should But the reason why they want to do it
is because, again, if you read the nine hundred page
document called Project twenty twenty five, they are literally talking
underline it's not obvious, but it's obvious about returning to
some forms of slave enslavement in this nation, and they

(29:46):
are putting things in place to make it real.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
And that is one of those things.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
And my issue is the reason why they have to
do this model that he's talking about is because they
realize that deporting all of the people who are in
the immigrant population. Deporting all of those people, and for

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those who are listening, I'm doing air quotes, they can't
get their jobs done. Their businesses will fail if they
don't have people working in the hotel industry, they don't
have people working in farm farming and other jobs like that.
And you know what they now are beginning to realize
since they called it black jobs, because remember he said

(30:36):
they taking a black job. The black people ain't gonna
do it. The black people ain't going back to the
cotton field. That's not gonna happen. So all your technology
that you've built, you don't have what you need to
be able to take the place of real hard work
in folks that get out there in that heat and

(30:59):
do them jobs. And you might get there, but you
ain't there right now. And that means that his big
business people, okay, we ain't talking about because the black farmers,
they don't respect the black farmers either, But I ain't
talking about black farmers because they if it's the black farmers,
is suing and doing everything. I'm talking about people who

(31:20):
own the big great companies and the big watermelon companies
and the big you know, rice fields, and we're talking
Uncle Benn's level, right, We're talking about big, big packaging companies,
big super industrial business. Yeah, okay, all of them businesses.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
They like, we need our workers.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
So now they want to shift the concept because the
white folks, right, and the big rich people are telling them,
if we don't have people to do these jobs, these
industries are going to shut down.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
And the black people said, well, we're not gonna do it.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
And now black people are meeting about how do we
take care of one another outside of whether these models
continue to work. So it's canned. It's a it is
what you call the ship show.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Oh, it's definitely the ship for real.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
AnyWho is it too much y'all? Or do you think,
like you know, you're one of those people that's like
Trump's doing the right thing. Just let the let the
let the plantation owners, the masters, let them own the
the big folks who are out there doing the job.
Make them pay taxes. Is that they pay tax.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
But they can't ever be citizens. This is it I
never heard of.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
But you know, some of your people love it.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
None of my people love it. Now all the skinfolk
ain't kinfolk. So I want you to tune into this
interview of my brother and uh Hakeem Green from Channel
at the pull Up for Peace conference.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Say what really?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
We bring you live from Atlanta City at the Pullet
for Peace tool I under sitting here was a legend,
a hip hop legend, historian, brilliant thinker. And my brother,
my brother first and foremost, the incomparable Keen read How

(33:25):
you doing today? I mean, I'm doing a great man.
Subalute to you. Think you were happening with the team
my show.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Yes see anything we knew it to me, go off
the couch, me that you here today.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
She's liking she's.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Running around working, and I just wanted to sit down
and talk to you, not only about this conference, but
this is about hip hop and all the things. You know,
we always have conversations about this was going in the world,
and I was like, well, wow, I got a chance
to have my brothers actually sit down the couch. We
meet four hour show and under selemat to sit you
down and let's have a conversation.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Man, how are you feeling about the conference.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
It's amazing, amazing to see this coming to fruition, like
you know, coming from an idea to an actual thing.
You know, you know, my history and hip hop culture
has always been about using the art form to push
for peace, to raise the viperation.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
And you know, going through decades, uh it being.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
At a low vibration to see the vibration raising, you know, steadily.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
You know, we push your faults.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
It's folks like himself to meet the Lakeisha Juri City
in New La City, all the cities around the country
coming together to.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Pull out for peace. This is an Atlantic city. It's amazing.
It's something that couldn't have been thought of or you could.

Speaker 6 (34:39):
You could think think about it, but could you actualize
it ten bills of years ago properly not. But it's
a testament to the dedication of folks like us pushing
for peace.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
And you've been doing this work for soul, Soul sable
on you done twenty four hours of piece in New
Orbit is spending a sample in the community and just
just listening actually just watching and seeing the evolution.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Of peace, right, Like, like I keep saying that that.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Hasn't always been something that we since it around in
our community and in our culture. Right, we thought peace
meant that you saw, right, it was we knew was
how we say it was corny to be peaceful, right,
And now we set in a whole new trend. Yeah,
you know, and that's what the trend and the hip
hop should because like you said, it was we it's
so much focused on low vibration and the ain't know

(35:32):
what they're doing. They know that they keep us all
over vibration and they have us award with each other
and killing each other, glorifying.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
And marketing black murder. Then they know that they're gonna
they could continue to control us.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
You know.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
So this narrative, the shifting of the narrative.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I've seen people that I know was in the streets
years ago that was dangerous notorious to now get warriors
for peace, And it's an amazing thing.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
And I just want to talk about how do you
think we're going to make this touch on it? If?

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Well, I think just being it, you know, show and prove,
you know, be the example, put things on the platform.
That's why we're creating twenty five urs A Piece to
put peace on the platform, to market, to promote it
so young people the next year ration could see success,
could see talent, could see you know, people excel by

(36:25):
pushing peace, by being peaceful, by exemplifying what it is.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
To be peaceful.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
And I think people need to understand when we talk
about peace being soft, it's not. Piece is about having
peace of the mind to navigate through whatever situation you
might find yourself. And you know, when you're at or
you know, you want to be clear of mind, clear
of thought. You want to be able to strategize. You
want to be able to see the layer of the

(36:51):
land and know how to get from point A to
point B. And you can't do that with chaos, can't
do that with confused spinds. They have to be at
peace with yourself. So Piece is something that's inside and
it helps you navigate whatever circumstance or situation you might
find yourself in. It's not about submission, though there is
power and submission. That's a whole other conversation, and it

(37:14):
is It's one of the most powerful thingures that you
can do, is to be peopul They say that the
measure of a warrior is to actually never have to
inflict calm. That is the goal of any real warrior.
You never want to have to inflict calls around here.
You have the skill, you how to understand it, but
you never want to actually have to utilize, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
So we loved it about how gun violence has plagued
hip hop, you know, has taken away something about greatest
young and elder artists throughout the years.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
And I was looking at the status.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
It's the craziest things to people that the leading cause
of death for black males twenty five and under is gun.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Yeah, that is crazy to be hondicide of them us
the leading culture.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
So that is really just taking out our tiging out
our whole, our soldiers and being killed what us And
and if we understand that, there's no way that we
should be pushing and promoting that to our bands. Yeah,
well the enemy has done a great job of programming

(38:22):
us to look at each other as the enemy. Uh,
they put us in these conditions, they put us in
this in these environments. Can they step away and they
watch us kill each other.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
There's so many valuables that go into weird from education
to health, the wealth is to what we eat, the diet,
whether they you know, eating food or what you.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Visualize, what you see, what you're taking to your mental study.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
And you know, we're being bombarded constantly by stimuli that's
actually coming from outside ourselves, like people studying us as
a community.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
And they go, Okay, we want these people to be
ten to fifteen, twenty thirty years from now.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
If these people can compete, then we're done. And they
put us in a situation that takes away our government competition.
We're busy competing with each other, that are unifying with
each other to compete with the real enemy. And I
think you know what we're seeing now and what we
what we have and seeing is something that's been planned
and mapped out decades ago. They saw the power to

(39:24):
civil rights movement, they saw the power lack power movement.
They saw the power of how we've organized they came
together in the sixties.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
And seventies, and what advances we made instead, Okay, how
do we get these people off track? How do we
do the way where our hands are not dirty, our
hands out And they've turned us against each other, so
we have to show each other, for example, the love
that we have for each other, the love that we
have for the community, and how success is bred that way.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
We put that on a platform, slowly, pushurely, we can
change it around. That's right. It's funny. I was watching
I don't even know the man's league. It was a
white man.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
He was doing a TED talk and he was talking
about how black murder is one of the top marketing
too and strategies like he said, you can get on
any radio station and talk about how you're gonna kill
a black he said, but as soon as you talk.

Speaker 6 (40:20):
About killing a dog, yeah, a white talking or anybody else,
SPC is gonna be at chade coming for you.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
But you can say, you could say the most creative
ways that you won't kill it black version.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Any of this marketed and is promoted its page.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
And you know, I was listening to lead you all
on the Records Club and he was talking about how,
you know, the violence and hip hop and how he capitalized.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
He said, you know, I'm astrot knowledge with you got
goutnomy has been vertical. But this is it's not just him,
it's but this is the lid state. So the industry
and the culture that we looked at.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
So Channel lives to a meet at that Chai on
Top Hop went to nineteen ninety eight, and you know,
just after the Captain.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Deal, after Matterson, when you look Poottil.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Sat down to Tie played him in demo like Carl
Thomas all over with Denmom before he was all bad boy,
before he came out of bad Boy.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Time listened to the demo, Tie goes, oh my god,
this stuff. He's a guy we like to be.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
But you guys not locking down the block. Guys, ain't
you know you're not beat enough for dust yat You
know this is not gonna work here. And it didn't
register to me and Toughy like were like, what you're
not locking down the block? Or it's supposed to be
selling the rugs. We're supposed to be killing each other.
We're supposed to be pushing the activity. It can't just

(41:40):
be about the music has to be about a messaging.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
Not to say that Tide Older New York is part
of any you know, behind the scene, the conspiracy.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
There was a private meetings. I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
All I know is that I see what happened from
that point in hip hop to where we are now
from the hands that are evolved. It has to be
bigger than the music, has to be bigger than just
putting out good mixing. It must be something about keeping
the community locked into a negative vibration, a low vibration.
And that's what we then, really since the mid nineties,
got a low vibraation. So you know, I don't know,

(42:15):
I don't ever want to seem like a point plinty
of things. You're thinking blame.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
It's about, you know, just looking at what's going on,
who benefits, who sufferers, and then.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Navigating according Yeah, and the Internet doesn't make it any better.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
This incident is hybrid hybrid violence or it promotes violence
and beef and a high level it's the algorythm is
so weird toward negativity, like and I realized when I
put things on and it's not controversial, it's not a
negativity positive it's like and it's not that people don't

(42:53):
want to be it's that the algorithm won't let you
know that it's it right, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
We have an.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Algorithm, especially in our communities, that only focuses on whose
beefing with who? Who sets up silver and it's to
give you. How I know that is Jim Jones is
just having a conversation about it. He was saying pretty much,
he's saying things that he knows it's gonna been to

(43:24):
our work, right because it's negative. It pitch you will
against your brother. So everybody wants to see that now.
When he said it was a little crazy and jem
is my man. I love him to death, but I
don't think most people will know hip hop wouldn't say
that he is a better rapper or artist than.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Not, so I have even had a more impact. Gimp
has definitely impacted hip hop, right.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
He's from absolutely from culture, from the style to dress, fashion, fashion,
all these things.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
He's definitely has been a save, especially in New York
hip hop.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
But when you talk about nas is a pretty munch
of pioneer, right, And he's a pioneer and nazis hip
hop just literally if you are lyricists, he's a poet exact.
If you are lyricists, nah setting the table for you.
If he set the stand and it was Rob Kennys
and the right, it's gonna say else. There's really nothing

(44:24):
else you could do. So and I get it, but
that's what it takes, right. I take it for you
to say if I was, if we and that's what Laurie,
they will say. She said, you can add a mother
fuck it's gonna hit your business, gonna hear me, and.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
That's what they need. They he figured it out and
that's what most of.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
The people have to They figured out that if I
created controversy in the algorithm, the algorithm is gonna put
me here and the next you know, somebody's gonna hear
from me. I don't get paid to do an interview.
I can market and promote myself. And it's sad and
that's what we want to do it.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
I mean, it is what it is, right. It's a
few different points you touched on.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
One is the algorithm, right, and as natural and organic
as the algorithm seems, it's not.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
It's programmed. Is that it's programming. Pick up on certain words,
certain phrases, certainly energies.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And then you push that right and if that's where
your mindset is, that's what the algorithm is going fij
and you know this is what's going on, This is
what's happening. Know that that's where your mind is at.
So it knows the feeds where you think you want
to see. All right, that's first.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
The other thing is like the context of music and
how we got to where we are, right, So we go.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I'm a little bit a bit older than you, right,
I remember a time where black artists, black people were not.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
On mainstream nothing, main street and TV. If you grow
up main stream TV, you are criminal, will pick up
a prostitute.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
I just love it.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
That's the only way you were uh portrayed on TV
and nfilm right on the radio. Black artists were not
played in mainstream just didn't happen. And then you hip
hop artists, no, people had to go away and kick
down on the boards A curtains.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Glow, Holdini run DMC, A loll j NAS.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
We opened up the door to a point where now
hip hop music and black artistry is bitness.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
You can't turn on the TV without seeing us.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Unfortunately, too many times still in the drug dealer paying
push your you know, tighten.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
But we're going off top.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
So for Jim Jones to put out a record and
it'd be instantly accepted by the main street across the board,
it's because NAS kicked down the door. Because there were
people who said, no, we don't play that because we
don't play hip hop.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
We don't play that because it's too black. You don't
play that because it's too urban. You don't play that
because it's too street. To Now we put our record.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
And you're gonna get the attention to folks because of
the negative imagery, the negative messaging.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
So you know, Jim Jones talks about him himself versus nas.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I think you gotta, you know, include that historical context
that Gym is writing on the show. Limits of a
nods and even in that he doesn't sell more, he
didn't rank higher on goboard. Is Championship trouble? Yeah, Yeah,
And that's what and that's what it's become. And it's
it's a very dangerous, very dangerous situation that I was

(47:24):
having this conversation with my friend because.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
We normally just go online and we see that that
is the new trend.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
People decide to get on the internet and say the
most negative things they can't about someone that they probably
don't even know, right, and they garner attention from it.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
It's actually I know.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
People who have built five units of that yeah, would
become which they can go innocient influences because they talk
about somebody that they've never seen, and they saturday their
TV and the basement for four and five years and
built four hundred thousand five munchers that do file just
by talking.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Maybe about somebody so, and it's a new thing.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
They call itself content creators, and they figure this is
a way to success.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
And it's sad because a lot of them will gaining
success doing it. But how long if that success lasts?

Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's a short lived is it for the bullet Because
when you can nurture and create something that's strong, you
know your content, your art is really about something.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
And though you may.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Slow walk into the success, you may slow walk into
the numbers. It seems to have more staying power than
somebody just does something for the likes it clicks. And
then because you always have to outdo that last, you
have to outdo yourself. You got even constantly trying to
figure out what outrageous setup you can.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Come up with to stay relevant, and eventually you run
out of content.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
Where if you really just leaning on the music itself,
the art form itself, the content itself, you have more
staying power.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
I think you know you're definitely right and I say
that all the time.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Like I said, I put the content of my character
over content on the Internet, and a lot of people
don't and they don't care, right because I've had conversations,
I've seen it done or watching done on a day
to day basis, and I'd be like, you don't even
care what you said, You don't care how you view,
you don't care about anything. They just want some motions.

(49:20):
The quote, yeah you don't. You know, I always get
one point defender. You don't want to pick on people,
but you have you know, artists who play out on
record that might be you know.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Over sexualized, you know, over overly violent.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
You know, they have that one hit record they hit
for the moment, but then they gone the next and
You're like, wow, this saw some other art form that
they are Really wasn't It wasn't about real lyrics as
somebody compare sexy brands Little Ken and he said sexy
breds the Little Ken, And I'm like, well, yeah, little
Kim sold you sex.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
But the bars was there.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Music was there, like the artist that he was there
that it was just more substance to it and just
sex just wasn't.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
You know, everybody like this is what we're doing, and
it was you know, it was thought process behind it.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
There was something that bringing into little kids worlds who
want to find out more about little Kim.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
And I think that's the the risk with doing things
just for the likes.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Saying things just for the X becasu devaluing yourself when
it's time coming that next thing.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
It's like, what do you do now? Yeah? Can I say?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I say that all it's about substance. And I think
when we talk about hip hop, I just want to
ask you this question. Do you think it's evolving or
you think this is I think hip hop is evolving.
I think hip hop is in a great place. Hip
hop is and what we do is how we do it.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
I see breakdancing in the Olympics, but I see for
feed art of what we see is hip hop is
buying graphic art design and the many places that that exists.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
It continually evolves.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
When you look at DJ, when you look at you know, termatilism,
look at you know be juggling and scratching, and it's
constantly evolving. I look at true mcman ship, true lyricism.
I see, you know, what Kendrick's doing.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
When I see adult she is doing.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
It's crazy artists out there that's spitting, you know, things
that resonate to our spirit and then doing it in
a you know, I think hip hop is evolving, not
a rap music business, not so much. You know, rap
music business is like, you know, when we were first
creating this thing we called hip hop, what the mainstream

(51:35):
was into their opinions, They thought it did mat recon Selle,
the mad Gold, platinum, None of that mattered.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
What mattered was respect on the block. Did you have
them lars? Could you basket? Could you win a mill?
Could you let me see your your top to bottom?

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Your burner?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
You know, what is the train look like when it
goes by? Like That's how hip hop was judged. So
that's how I judge hip hop. I don't judge hip
hop about what the mainstream says. When I start doing that,
then I'm not hip hop anymore. So, Yeah, question, hip
hop is a great place. It's just what me considered
hip hop.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I just at some point I get disappointed by what
they trying to make mainstream where they try to tell
us is hip hop. You know, since we grew up
in hip hop, and I know the feelings. I know
the essence of it. I know that it's about being
able to say something in the way that resignates with

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the world that they can feel in the most creative
way possible, right, And I know that when they try
to take that creativity out of it and simplify it
and just give us something they called advct the store
and the wall pain and tell us that it's hard.
Sometimes it's frustrated to me, right as somebody who who

(52:54):
cherishes it about who loves the game. Who if I'm
going to write a music or I'm going to write
a verse. I wanted to beat something that is our
I wanted to be something that's heartfelt. I wanted to
be creative. I want other lyricists to hear it, people
who love the music to hear it, to say, wow,
he put effort into this, right. So a lot of

(53:15):
times I listened to artists and they try to even
the young artists. And I don't mean I can't fault
the artists, right because in my mind, if I'm telling
you that it's good, it's telling you that this is
do over. Then you saw the belate better. Then you
got young kids following the same trending to where they
I don't want to think about them, right, And then

(53:36):
it brings you to the point where like bring me
going back to genderize right, when he's saying that, oh,
they're not checking fornas right, and it's like, I understand
what he means because it's not that he didn't say anything.
Want they're not checking for gus the young generations because
they're not They've been told that that's not how right.

(53:59):
They've been told that the person that says I'm gonna
shoot you and spend a block thirty four times and
there's no creative The words don't even rhyme, there's no
kidence to the be, there's no flow, there's nothing I
mean listening to, I mean asking myself did they even
hit the me when they rapp into these songs?

Speaker 5 (54:16):
So, man, these songs don't even have any level of
melody anything. It's just they just throwing words.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
How I'm there, right, And when you've been told that
that has music, you will look at it saying I
don't want to hear nuns too.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
I don't want to think about all that, right.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
So when we've been trapped into that bond state, it
determs me like it's like I love music. Right, I'll
be sitting down, I'm ready writing some stuff and I'd
be like, this is fire. And then I'd be like,
ain't nobody like listen to this? And then I and
then I'm approached by hundreds of people there and they're saying, Yo,
we want some more boss with general place and this

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is fire.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
We need some more, we need some more of that.
So I get the energy back up. And then I
turned on the radio or I'm going to a blog
and said, think someone, this is the out this new wrap. Yeah,
and we'll see.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Now I feel the same way, right, and I get that,
you know, discouraged. Ain't nobody checking from my par I'll
put this music out of the court. I'm doing video,
so nobody checking for this, right, I'm move fall back.
And then I see my son spin a par like,
oh speak you back hit hop back.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I see it's hot right now because hip hop respect
hip hop, right, So if I'm paying attention to what
that outside is doing, then I get discouraged. But when
I see people from who comfort where I come from,
blah blah blah, who know what this is putting down?
Then I can inspire it. And then I want to
put music out to be some people like yourself will

(55:42):
recognize if needs something. When you hear something, you be like,
y'all all the son I've heard that, I'm going to
dig that that needs more than me.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Then saying going to a.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Flex and getting a cold signum for Flex because you know,
no disrespect to Flex, but you know he's made street.
You're gonna do with the main street telling it. You know,
it's just we got to get back to doing it
for we really doing this for we doing it for,
you know, our sound appreciation. Then you got through roops,
you guys, you know, don't show you gussy as you're

(56:16):
gonna have to do things that's gonna compromise who you
are as an artist, who you are as a hip
hop for real. Uh And it is a nonstist too.
There is a way to make great music with a
great message. And you know, but I think Kendrick Lamark
what he was going.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
To do over the last two years is like just phenomenal.
I told supports on social media.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I said, one MC moves to party, let's trade one
MC moves society.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
And as Kendrick and whether you get the Kendrick Ganna.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I can't not the fact that he's got America and
they stream America thinking about things and haven't really thought
about in a little time. So it is great, you know,
you got ass that and hopefully the young a generation
of artists will look at what he's been doing and
you know, find value and going and it's a back
of ration, I suppose, just within the party.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
Well that's what I've been saying when we have to
create this new culture, you know, as we got this.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Pull up peace conference and we're pushing things as positively
highlighting people that do positive things and the messages. You know,
we don't realize that words or spells, like when you
when you say things, you put those days on your life.
And I never realize that things. A lot of the
things that I sayd when I was young, I call

(57:35):
those things into fruition, right, And I just and I said,
and that's why when we looking and we see our
young rappers dying at such high rings, and then you
listen to the music that they had, right.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
They pretty much call those energies all the and then
not that they.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Were bad people, but you don't even understand how powerful
worlds I don't think nobody, but words are the most
powerful things that we had. Like if you look at
the strong beligers through our history, the most powerful people
have been words. Yeah, it's not the strongest person. It's
not this person the most money. It's he who knows
how to utilize those words. So I called myself a

(58:12):
word smith. You know, I've been gifted with the ability
to utilize words, and I want to do it for
something that's positive and brothers like yourself inspired me every day.
It's wants to say thank you for always. You've always
been on this mission, you know, ever since the beginning,
shann a lot of it. Like you said, it wasn't
lacking the black, that was lacking your conjects. Right, You've

(58:33):
always called you to be a high frequency. So I
just wanted me to be a flyers king and say,
you know, I was just trying to move in the
trajectory that you had. So I'm glad to hear that
you improved me. Oh yeah, without doubt. You know, the
first time I mentioned I don't know if you can
come nineteen ninety seven tramps, it was Kars when I

(58:55):
read it and show this Chris, like, yeah, that's the
first time I got a.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Chance to meet you. Everything yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
It's like we play that back of my head because
you know, once you've been to the culture of MC's
at that time, I mean you had really pop yat.
You had to you know, you know, put out the
records yet. But the buzz was like doing my solens. Next,
he's the next one, He's the next one. So I
got a chance to meet you. I was with KRS one.
We already don't care. Rest one is your culture. So

(59:24):
and then through Chris Lightning and it's like, okay, I'm
checking for him. And then you know, you had things
that happened to you.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
You have to go through your process, and you came
back out and like at that point, like I'm lead
deeping the activism and le deeping the community.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Work, you know, doing that work.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
You come out and you writing in the trenches doing
that work. It was kind of opposite of how I
remembered you, and I remembered you was being more of
a you know, are sure you're worring in purses. Definitely
with the rhymes and bars. You came out and challenging
black men and black women. Then they'll kick themselves up
and be better version of themselves. I'm like, oh okay, wow,

(01:00:02):
I ain't know I'm getting fault off of various people
going you see my SIGNI my sis, this is my
silence dad, my son, I said, be patient, watch this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
Watch I got something bout his brother. I know it's
gonna be special. And you know what that inclination, It
was just.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
That like he've been doing some real special stuff for
our people. Hit mop and as junior brother appreciateure, man,
they started being here. It's always a pleasure, man, little
bit people to do work and we all going to
get that we got into that's to get that's all
the new. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Oh wait, wait too, I'm gonna start beating certain She'll
send you some stuff and then you follow your lead
out of the let's go all right there, so shut
up to my mother.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
How to keep green?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Man, It's always a pleasure when you're talking to people
who are like minded, who are really genuine individuals and
also lyricists as well, and it's coming from the hip alcoholch.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
He always has positive things, you know, when communication all
just came on a lot, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Just being able to sit there and have this conversation
is a blessing that so follow Jakem reed he is
one of those whethers on the front line who's always
about equal, always when that's right. And like you said,
that's a good interview.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
You know, I think you and Hakem are two of
the people who I admire that are very very very clear,
like where you stand politically. And also it might not
be reported today, right, it's not today. No, people might
not respect it, but I think there will come a

(01:01:38):
time when you will see a number of folks acknowledging
that y'all were very much so consistent that a whole
bunch of dumb shit is going on, and you know,
and and not everybody does that because some people are
afraid to be on the wrong side. But Hakim is
definitely one who I look at when I go to

(01:01:59):
his page, just like he gets it. He knows that
what we're seeing in this nation, in this moment, and
even within our own communities, that there's a lot of healing,
a lot of work, and a lot of fighting and
advocating that has to be done.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
So I thought it was a great interview. You Scott
should do more together.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Shut out to my brother Haquen. So now This brings
me to my I don't get it. There has been
a common divide that I always see happen between Blacks
and Muslims, and it is now it is trickled into
our mayor.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Race, which is for the new nominee zorharn Mom, Donnie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Now, I've been listening to the brother for the last
few weeks and it just sounds simple. It sounds like
he's for the everyday person. He sounds like he's speaking
to the realities, what's going on and the you know
a lot of people that I say that the democratic
people have forgot about, you know, just the average everyday person,
and he's speaking to that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
So to me, like it makes sense. But now there's
this divide.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
They wantn't played the Blacks against the Muslims, you know,
they want to make it everything into this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Socialist thing. Now socialism and this is the worst word
in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
He's a socialist because he wants average people just be
to have a right to live, people to have be
able to pay for their groceries, people to live places
and be able to pay for the rent, you know.
And it's crazy to me that we fall for this
same thing every time they're dividing us and we're all
going through the same hell, but they have us divided,

(01:03:37):
you know. And I'm listening to what they're doing to him,
and it's reminiscent of what happened at the Women's March, right,
and I've seen this whole playbook. We need you to
say this this way, We need you to use these
words this way, because if you don't say that, that
means that you meant this, and you don't get to
tell us what you meant even though you said it.

(01:03:58):
We get to tell you what you meant, right, and
we can. And now that we're seeing what you meant,
you're not for us, you're against us all and you're
the bad guy. And it's crazy that we fall for
the same thing. And I don't understand how do we
constantly fall for the same banana and the tailpipe?

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
How is how is it that this government and people
are able to pin marginalized communities? Because what happens is
when you see Trump talking about deporting the man, right,
when it's the government, when you when you really when
you watch the media, you know that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I would blame it on.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
I'm not saying that Trump didn't say those things, but
it is. The media does not have to cover it.
They want this type of divide between us because you
got to look at who owns the media. And I
think in New York it's more than the government that
is engaging in xenophobia and trying to create the vision.

(01:05:00):
I think it's about special interests, business interests in certain
communities feeling that they're better than others.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
That's what I think, and that's what it comes down to,
and we always fall for it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
In every situation, we find ourselves pitted against each other,
and we the ones that's always going to lose in
the end, and we and we fight against our own interests,
like when you listen to what the man is talking about,
like how could the average everyday person who lives in
New York not listen to that and say, well, that's
just fair. It just sounds like fitness to me, right.

(01:05:34):
But we would go against this one. This is how
we got Trump. We got Trump because we were They
pitted the black people against each other. They pitted us
against Kamala and said, oh, you know, you can't be
with her because she has a white husband, or you
can't be with her because she's a woman, or she's
not really black, she's this, and we fell for.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
It's the same, and we fail for it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
And now we got this fucking in office that had
never said nothing that benefited us, and people's talk and
the crazy thing. People that would have bought the policy,
and nobody was ever able to tell us what Trump's
policy was. But they couldn't tell us the policy that
benefited them. Never, never did they tell us anything that

(01:06:18):
benefited them. Now we can sit there and listen, and
this man has a clear vision. And rather than say, Okay,
this is the nominee we're gonna ride with, they still
haven't even endorsed the man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
No, well, some people have. Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
You got a lot of dynamics happening in New York
at the same time. One thing that we have to think,
you know, talk about is there is a generational shift,
if you will, where people who are older folks who.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Know the Cuomo's very well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Mario Cuomo was a total different Cuomo from Andrew Cuomo,
his son, but he still has that family brand, right,
and so when black people hear the name Cuomo, and
it's not to say that Andrew Cuomo didn't do one
or two things, three or four or five things that
black folks fought for wanted, you know, looking at in

(01:07:11):
New York.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
He was the first mayor, I mean, first governor of
any state.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
I believe, to institute the policy that if a police
officer kills somebody, you know, I think it's unarmed. I
think it's an unarmed individual. But don't get me wrong,
but I know that in police involved shootings.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
He put a special prosecutor in place because he recognized
that the relationship sometimes between the local prosecutors and the
police department is too close for them to properly investigate
and holds accountable these officers. So he made it law

(01:07:53):
that they would be a special prosecutor in New York State.
And the Attorney General, who's Tiss James at this time,
it is basically generally her responsibility unless she moves it
somewhere else, depending upon the conflicts that may be in
her office.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
So there's a lot of layers to that. But black
people who.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
Were fighting for police accountability in New York, remember when
Andrew Cuomo led that, and it's been some other things.
And so when you have that, you have a group
of people who are just like Bounty paper towels and
Rentolds wrap and you know, drop a can of orange

(01:08:33):
juice and lift in iced tea. These are brands that
they know well and they appreciate these brands. This is
their brand that they know from their grandmother's grandmother introduced
them to this brand, or it was in her house,
in the cupboard or wherever. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
So therefore, some of us just operate on what we know,
what we know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
And when you introduce a new person like mom Donnie
into the conversation and folks don't know him. And let's
be very honest and saying that there are interactions that
black people who have had in their local community with
Muslims who run the store, or a Jewish person who

(01:09:21):
might own the building, or another black person who doesn't
talk to them well, doesn't respect them, or the Latino
community is like, I ain't black.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
They've experienced all of this stuff, and of course white supremacy,
and so when they meet these new people, they like,
mm mmm, don't trust you. I don't know you. So
we have to give some of it to that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
But the other side of it that our people have
to be mindful of is that they don't even change
the playbook. They do the same thing. They start going
after your race, whether you are, like you said, are
you black, not black?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Where you're really from?

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
You ain't really one of us. This and that we
start going right into that. The man when he was
a boy put the wrong thing on an application for
college or denied application. He's seventeen, eighteen years old, tops
fills out the application and says he's African, American and Asian. Right,
I don't know what other categories were there, but people

(01:10:22):
want to make this be Oh I know what that means.
You know, he can't be trusted. Come on, like, if
that's the worst you could give me, let's move on
to the next thing. But y'all ain't got nothing. So
that's why you here with this. So you know, they
start that Kamala ain't black. Same thing. Next they start
trying to different communities. Oh, he ain't for you, He's

(01:10:45):
not for you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
He's not for you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
And my thing is what we should be doing. And
it's not just for Mamdannie. But Eric Adams is gonna
run as an independent. Then Clerdis Sleewah is out here
getting ready to be the publican candidate Black folks ought
to be demanding from everybody that's running that they address
our issues. Everybodyani, We don't need to argue about your race,

(01:11:12):
what you selected on the application, all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Don't even worry about that. I don't even hear that.
This piece of paper here we want to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
And let's see how you feel about violence, prevention, police accountability, affordability,
when food deserts, our benefits, health benefits, keeping our.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Streets clean, you know, rats, That's what we want to know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
What you're going to do about those things. And so
if we put all of that on the table, this
should be no divide. We should be able to make
clear and concise decisions. And guess what, It is not
easy what Mondannie is saying he wants to do. What
Zorhan Mamdannie is proposing, is not easy to get done.
I understand what you were saying. It's easy to understand

(01:11:59):
what he's saying, got you, But it ain't easy to
get those things done. He's gonna have to go through
a whole lot of hell to work with the Assembly,
which is where he is currently, and the New York
State assembly person, and to get the city Council and
all of these different entities on board for his ideas.
But I'd rather have somebody who has ideas that speak

(01:12:23):
to my real needs versus people who are just going
to manage the status quo and leave things as it is,
if not make it work exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
And that's that's my whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
And I don't understand why that's not an easy choice
for everybody, but it's not. We've we've shown that we
will go against our best interests for the dumbest shit ever,
like we really have. We really got Trump in office
because people said, you know, that she wasn't black, or
she wasn't smart, like shit. That that is so crazy

(01:12:53):
to me that every time I listen to like, I
go back and a new meme pops up every day
about shit that's happening in America that Trump is, you know,
ruining that she said last year, and it's just a
new meme every time, and then I just look at
it and be like, Yo, how did we get here?
How did we get tricked into some stupid shit like this?

(01:13:15):
Like I just don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
But man wants to deport for him to even say.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
That's why My thing with Donald Trump is that their
mindset is so nasty, it's so cruel that if you
support them, I can't deal with you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
I can't deal with you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
It's not about it's not about policy, it's not even
about government. It is about humanity.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
It's not about government efficiency. It's about humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
It's about humanity. For me, it's like if I can't
look at you and see that you have levels of
humanity and human decency, like I don't even understand how
we allow someone like this is this is a representation
of our nation, and I know that other nations is
looking like this. This is one of the worst human
beings that I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
He's going to try to deport, which he won't, but
he wants to even put out into the universe that
he would like to deport a mayoral candidate in New
York City, one man. But you know what, when Mandani wins,
he is going to be the mayor of the most

(01:14:24):
powerful city in the entire country. And by the way,
he will be probably what thirty four thirty five years
old when he takes offense. And so that is what
That's another thing in the generational divide that people don't
even believe that when you and yet that young into
your thirties or your mid thirties, that you can even

(01:14:46):
have that type of power. But I tell you, I
think that if the brother is as smart as I
believe he is, he will set up a cabinet of
individuals who will help him to know what he doesn't know.
And right now he's beginning to align himself with the
right individuals that I know will help him to run

(01:15:08):
this city the right way, or at least I believe that.
But I guess I want I want to state this
for the record. Sure the city is not in the
worst place. I'm not gonna sit up here and say
that Eric Adams is the worst mayor ever and the
city is terrible and this and that, because that would
be dishonest.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
It is not the case.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
I know people who are deputy mayors and other positions
within the within the administration, and they are actually doing
a good job, and they are attempting to keep this
city running as best as possible. But what people need
to understand is that folks are tired of the same
old thing. People are looking for their needs to be met.

(01:15:53):
They want to shift away from what we consider to
be establishment politics, and they are looking for new life,
new breath, new energy, new ideas, radical ideas that might
take a while to get there, but it is somebody
actually working on it and talking about it and addressing it.

(01:16:15):
And if we don't catch up there, a whole bunch
of other people are going to because they don't already
caught up. So a lot of other people from other
communities are going to take us to places, and we
as black folks are still gonna be sitting around arguing
about who didn't call us right on the phone and

(01:16:37):
why we weren't invited to the thing, and then and
then ultimately still trying to hold on to power that
has shifted.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
In a good representation that is me and Brandon Scott
in Baltimore and what he's done. And I just want
to shout him out to you know, I met.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Him really cool and we got to find y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
We've gotta find my pictures are proposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
But he has the fewest homicides ever in Baltimore twenty
twenty five as a mayor, and he's probably he's in
his thirties.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Too, So we and he arrested some ice agent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yes, this is this and this is the radical shift
that people want. They want people who are for the people.
They want to see youthful mentality, they want people who
are not going with the status quo. Is just not
gonna happen no more. So, you know, you know, if
y'all don't get on board, we're going to lose the people.
If we do not start electing the people that the

(01:17:35):
people want, Yeah, it ain't gonna work.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
There's that I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
And I'm not suggesting that we relinquish our, you know,
as black folks, our position in all of this, because
I think that we've got to be clear about our
demands again. Now, the black Print is a document that
is being worked on by a number of individuals. It's
started without THEA Stevens in the City Council, you know her.

(01:18:01):
She She and others, a bunch of people, including Angelo
Pinto are co found at Until Freedom, have worked to
build the black Print. That's what we got to focus on.
And it's not to say we don't have, of course people.
Eric Adams has folks who are gonna vote for him, right,
They're gonna vote for him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
They've been with him a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
You got some black people who really feel like they
have nobody to vote for because they don't necessarily know
and or trust yet Mandannie. But then they don't also
want Eric especially. You know, when you have Mayor Adams
that is that has a flirtatious let me say a little.
I don't know what you call his relationship with Donald Trump.

(01:18:41):
I don't know, but I know that a lot of
people don't like it, and so and so when you
have those two things where they they feel like they
don't have anybody, they don't know who they're gonna vote for.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
That's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
It's okay to even say I'm standing with Mayor Adams,
I'm with the black man, I'm gonna be with him.
It's okay to say that. But when we start turning
it into personal tax on people, that leans in the
direction of Islamophobia, or we get ourselves involved in other
community issues and start trying to uplift that as this

(01:19:14):
big issue, to make Mamdani's look like he's anti this
community or anti he's a hater of all people and
he's violent.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
That's not cool. Just get your issues and argue the issues.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
I saw a conversation going on on Facebook with bishoply
A Daughtry, but she was talking about if you freeze
rent and you have landlords who still have to pay
inflated heat like gas, you know, all the property, all
the taxes, all the other things. How do you deal
with that if they don't have an ability to use

(01:19:52):
the money that's coming from rent to pay the higher
costs for everything else that's increasing, Like, how do you
balance it out? That is a question that Mamdannie needs
to answer. Right, that's something that's that's a policy conversation
that needs to happen. But now you start sharing articles
from the Tablet magazine, which done called us anti semitic

(01:20:13):
fifty thousand times over at Women's Mark, and you know,
is a magazine that's pretty much a rag. You start
sharing articles from them in the New York Post that's
calling the man all kinds of things. And now you're
into whether or not he checked the wrong box here
or it there. You don't really have a policy argument.
You trying to do personal stuff versus dealing with the policy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
And I hope black people don't don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
You in the smear campaign and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Thing, Okay, there you go, that's the right word.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
So it is what it is, it's gonna be what
it's gonna be that brings us to the end of
another episode, an amazing episode. Shout out to our brother
Hakim Green for his interview, and I hope that you
took something back from this interview. You know, me and
Hakim talked about a lot of political is as well
as hip hop, but we also talked about just the

(01:21:03):
state of America right now and it was real deep man,
and I hope that you and you said that you
enjoyed the interview, so that brings us to the end
of another episode. I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika D.
Malory and I could always be wrong, but we will
both always and I mean always, be authentic

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