TitleThe Culture, The Crisis, The Call — Featuring Rachel Noerdlinger - TMI

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am blessed today, Queen Tamika D. Mallory.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, I'm out here channeling Breonna Taylor today and feeling
my Brianna Tailor's spirit.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Bree Way breth Way.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely so. What has been going on there? Listen, listen.
I was talking to our dear friend Jennifer Williams, who's
Jennifer Williams Gold. Now, she got fifty years old, her knowing,
and I was celebrating with.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Her over the phone.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Fifty years It is a blessing to make it to
fifty years old. So happy birthday to our dear sister.
And she said to me, you know, celebrating a birthday
and the country all around us is in shambles.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
She's like, I am acutely aware of what's happening in
this nation, and it's almost like even though people are
trying to go about life as normal, it's really not normal.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's rough, it's rough, man, But fifty is something that
you have to celebrate. I'm closely closely approaching that age
and I definitely want to be able to celebrate that,
especially the gen doesn't look nowhere near fifty. God is
good and black don't crack. So happy birthday. Yeah, We're

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definitely dealing with a lot and every now and then
we need some type of release. So she's because she's
a celebrated birthday. Shout out to Fashion Week this week,
we already had our brother landing on it and we
talked about his.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Act gay Black the at leisure brand Athleeture.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
We talked about his fashion show, which was pretty much
like top Tier. But I also got a chance to
roll in the fashion show this this week as well.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Shoutout with the thing this thing he what this mean?
But I see people doing it with their fingers together.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Whatever that is. That's the gen Z thing that got
going on. I walked in. It was Leather's fashion show.
Shout out to my brother shot a manager who had
me in it. It was It was a dope. It
was a dope. And see a lot of my people
shout up to me and no, I'll be out tut
from the direction was ran into murder Moog so many

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different people with Corey Gunns. It was a lot of
different people that I ran into, my brother Grad, it
was a lot of them. I'm gonna get in trouble
with his name and names, but it was a it
was a dope event. It was. It was like a
little a family reunion. The hip hop artists and those
people that I've known for years in this the stry with.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
It good, awesome, that's it's a good thing. You looked
very comfortable, no way, you know, fir, you know you
look very comfortable.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Called me, you know, well, you were good.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
There was a lot of people in that show that
you know, Daniel's leather is like a staple.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, a staple.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Anybody knows of the New York artists who do music videos.
Everybody could go borrow a jacket or several and get
all all your your part of your outerwear for your wardrobe.
You could get it from Daniel's leather. So that's been
for so many years. It's a staple. The show was crazy.

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There was so many people down there and it was hot, nonetheless.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Definitely, And you know what the crazy part is, I
awarded black Man that you've seen. But I was supposed
to with this New York leather jacket. So my outfit
was for this New York leather jacket.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
But it's when you're.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Throwing, you throwing, you know what I'm saying, because you
got no how to swagging throwing black manke with with
the with the the camouflage cargos in the black constructions.
It's still gonna work, you know what I'm saying. I'm
just showing you the variety. But the green leather that
I was supposed to ill of green leather would have
just made it. But listen, you know, we do what
we gotta do. We don want to improvise. Being from

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New York Man, fashion is in our blood. So you
know I did that thing, and I made that ry.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
You were very comfortable. You were buried, very dapper, very
very dapf.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
That there is that Yeah, like you said, we have
to in the midst of everything that's happening. You get
a call saying can you walk in the fashion show?
You better because if we sit in the funk of
the realities of what's happening in our nation, I think no,
I know I would be like, my anxiety is already bad,

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and I feel it so much every day right now,
knowing and just understanding what we will have to do to.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Get this shit straight.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
This shit showed that we knew should not have been allowed,
demand should never have been allowed to become president of
this country, never ever, never, never again. And what shouldn't
happen the first time, but definitely not the second time.
And so the little things, the little enjoyment, those moments,
we have to take them because we every minute there's

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something happening. It's got your nervous system, you know, responding
to what you're seeing, what you're hearing. And also if
you are an organizer, as we are, you are responding
to the little voice that's in your head saying, don't
get comfortable, because we have to fight.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
We have to fight.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
So, speaking of fighting, the internet has gone up in
smoke about tree. Read this young man was found hanging
from a tree in Delta State University, which is in Cleveland, Mississippi.
And you know, people are have our panicking because this

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happened just a day or so after all of the
Charlie Kirk fallout, if you will, from the murder of
Charlie Kirk. And you know, there was so many people
who off the back started targeting black people, which we
didn't even.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Kill Charlie Kirk. No one from our community did.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
And quite frankly, as you and I have said, I
haven't really necessarily been talking about it much, but you
certainly have said nobody should have killed him. Whatever it
is that dead man wanted to say, nobody should have
taken his life. That should have been between him and God,
period right. He should have been drowned out, defunded, and

(06:56):
sideline where he didn't even matter to the world, and
most people he didn't mattitude because guess what people are
like who Charlie? Who?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
They don't know? I see my family members.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
That's why I watch Facebook to seem where people just
everyday people are and my family members, who are people
who just working every day. They're not in the political
discourse all the time. Sometimes they don't even feel like
voting is even necessary. They are like, who is Charlie Kirk? Okay,

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So let's sit that right there. So when you have
a situation where this man was killed, brutally killed in
front of a lot of people who saw a very
horrific shooting take place, including his family, his child and
the child's mother of his wife. You have people on

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high alert when the response is to start demonizing black people,
and of course to start demonizing people who are considered
to be on the left, which the majority of our
people are considered to be on the left. So when
Trey Red pops up in a tree, hanging from a tree,
automatically people are like the college campuses had to be

(08:13):
shut down from the threats. It must what do they say,
If it looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck,
it must be a duck.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
So folks feel that there.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Is something there's something something wrong here, and not just
something wrong, because no matter what happened, it's still terrible,
still terrible.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
But you know where they found up And I don't
mean to cut you off.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
He was. He was, I mean found as you say,
and then the young man also. But prior to that,
there's been so many hangings that they just ruled that
there was no foul play. For the last few years,
it's been it's been numerous amount of me black people
are being found hanging some trees and they just ruling

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them that there's no foul play. And I just don't know.
What are people, especially black people, saying that we're just
gonna go pat ourselves from trees. And I'm not saying
they aren't. Some of them aren't, or some of them are.
I don't know, But I'm just trying to say that
the fact that all of them having ruled no foul
play is just really strange to me.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
No, absolutely, absolutely, and in this situation, we don't know,
which is why Attorney Ben Krumk is calling for it
and the family's calling for an independent autopsy. They are
going to do their investigation. The police and the authorities
are very very confidently saying that it is death by suicide.

(09:46):
We will see, we will see what happens. You know,
I pray that that.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Young man did not take his life.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
That in and of itself is another set of conversation
that needs to happen about the mental health of what
is going on with our young men. At the same time,
if he was hanging by somebody else, especially in some
type of racial violence or some type of retaliation for

(10:16):
Charlie Kirk, that is something that will send our countries
firaling into an even worse space than we currently are in. So,
no matter which way you look at this situation, the
Black Union loses. Yes, the Black community loses, and our
society loses. The reason why the black community loses is
because we unfortunately are either dealing with mental health, which

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is crippling us.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
We are dealing with violent.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Explosions at times in different places and pockets that can
be affiliated with a whole lot of things from poverty
to mental health to just people doing wrong.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
And then we're dealing with racial violence, political violence. It's
a lot.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Our communities are definitely under seed, and God bless us,
you know, and we have to we can't back down
from speaking on all of these things.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
We can't.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
We have to be loud and proud, regardless of what
the political consequences or any consequence may be. And we
have a right to demand that there be more of
an investigation, because to your point, if we just allow
it to be swept under the rug, it could be
you or me tomorrow and nobody will know what happened

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to us either. So God bless this young brother Trey Reed,
God bless his family, God bless his legal team. And
I don't whichever whatever happened to him, whatever happened to him,
it is very very very scary. It's unfortunate, and we
are in a crisis as black people in this country.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Sure, you know, this has been so much fallout from
the you know, the the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Right
now there's Jimmy Kimball. You know, he had some words
and made some jokes or statements about Trump, and you
know what happened to Charlie Kirk and his feelings about it,

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and now he's being removed from TV. And that's sending
the world into a role because now the free speech
that the right has fought for us supposedly wanted forever,
and they said they were being you know, being silenced
and all of this, now they are completely You can't
even say we're a name, you can't even like to me,

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you can't even put up the man's words up there.
It's very strange to me at this point. These was
the all you can't silence us, And we want to
be able to say what we have to say, and
we want to be able to call people all kinds
of things. We want to be able to disrespect George
Floyd and we can you put a nee order that
we could do signs with thee could do all of

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the most disrespectful shit, but you can't say the man's
name and the words he said in the same and
it's like, it's really crazy. I think we just like
I think I woke up after really just watching Jimmy
kim Olk Show. I really wanted to see what he
one of the top late night hosts in the world,

(13:22):
lost this whole job, you know, like he lost his
whole job. And it wasn't just like the network said, Okay,
you said something wrong. It was this shit came from
the FCC, and then you got Donald Trump praising it,
and it's just like, where are we at at this point?
You know, we watched numerous people lose their jobs for

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just saying the most minute things, and it's I don't know,
I really don't know where we're going. And in America,
it's like, I don't do fear Margaret and all that,
because we're gonna, like you said, we gotta fight anyway
we do. But we just had some very strange times
uncharted territory.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
You no, absolutely, that's it.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Because some of our elders when asked, you know, have
we seen this or have you lived through this, they're
like no, this is a whole different thing. And part
of it is because the majority of the people at
the time when they were going through the tyranny of
the bull Conners and all of the oppression and suppression

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that our people dealt with in the sixties and before that,
and even some of it still seventies and eighties, nineties,
and here we are. It has continued. But the tyranny
of that period in the sixties and the civil rights movement.
What I have heard from from our elders and from
some of you know, from the mentors, is that the

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majority of the people knew there was a fight. People
knew there was a fight. They were in the fight.
A lot of people were in the fight. People were
standing up and speaking out, and that is what made
things different, and that brings.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
We also, i mean to cut your wisdom, who were
also made it different was they didn't have rights that
were taking away right. They literally was born into a
system where they didn't have certain rights, and it was like, yeah,
we have to fight for these things. Right. When you
watch when you're used to having certain things and certain

(15:24):
liberties and moving a certain way and you no longer
have it, it's a different mindster. You like that because
when you were when you're watching the old slave movies
and the old civil rights movies, you can't imagine you
liked it. They went through that and you got tearsday
arts like they had to actually fight to do simple
shit and be recognized as men and women, as black people.

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So now when you're watching and you realize that a
system and a structure is literally trying to take away
those things that you watch those people fight for, and
you see it happening in real time, it's a shock. Yeah,
Well it's really a shot.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah. And that brings me to my thought of the day.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I was thinking about fascism and authoritarianism and how it
shapes right, how it forms, and how it becomes reality.
And one of the things that I hear or that
I have read, that I've learned, and that I hear
from people who study fascism and people who are trying
to educate us.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
On where we stand in this time.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
They talk about the silencing of voices, the suppression of
free press, the suppression of free thought, and people's ability
to speak truth to power, the ability the suppression of
folks being able to speak on what they see where

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they are told what they have to believe and what
is okay for them to talk about, and what is
okay for them to even feel. Because even if you
know that things are wrong, you can be be into
submission by fear that I have to go along with this,

(17:08):
and in some cases I got to join them, right.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I know a lot of.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
People who work on jobs or are in environments where
they see folks being done wrong, They see the abuse
and the discrimination, and sometimes they will join it just.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
So that they can look like they are next to.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
And buddy buddy up with right and in alignment with
the bass, the human resources director, the manager, or whoever,
because they are afraid that standing up for someone who
is experiencing discrimination may put them in the blog light
and make them a target, and they can lose their opportunities,
their jobs, their resources, their ability to take care of

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their families. That's a real thing, and I've watched people
do that. They join the bullies so that they can
be in the cool crowd. And so that is what
we see happening right now, where people's minds are being
shaped through fear. And my thought of the day is
around the idea that this is why it is important

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to support independent thought.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
It is.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
It is, And I'm not talking about independent thought nutcases
that are feeding you misinformation on YouTube and on online.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
In different places. I'm not talking about that.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I'm talking about people who have sense enough to know
that we're not. Of course, we're not going to just
run outside with a grenade and blow ourselves and everybody
around us up.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
We're not going to do that.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
That is not a strategy that will work for the
next generation of our families, right, It's not a realistic thing.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
But what we can do is.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
To maintain the voices of people who have independent networks,
fan base, the Black Effect podcast network, and the list
goes on of entities that have been developed for us
and by US. Organizations like Until Freedom, organizations like Even Know,

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the NAACP, and the NAACP Legal Defense Fund that is
out there suing everybody.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
During this time.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
They cannot do that if they do not also have
the support of people who believe in them. The woke
votes around this country, Live Free Past the Mike McBride.
I could go on and on and on with the
names of black votes who are remaining in their independent space,

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being able to stand up and say we are going
to speak the truth and we are not going to
allow you to muffle or silence our voices. That does
not happen if our entire existence is tied to the
s corporations that are capitulating to this man right now,

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right these people, these corporations like Target are capitulating to bigotry.
But you also have on the other side of that
a pastor Jamal Bryant, who was in a church that
is able to keep him where he can take care
of his family and they do not need the outside
interference or to have to take a check from a

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Target or any other company like that. I remember when
Bishop talbrit Swan told the white folks online when they
were calling around trying to see where they can get
him fired from it, he said, you can't get me
fired from my church because black folks fund me. So
when you call up here to this church, just know
that my people back.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Me, they stand with me.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
We have to make sure that we are donating, supporting,
showing up, sharing, do subscribing, doing whatever we can to
stand with people who have the ability to speak out
and stand on their own, because if we do not
support those institutions and those opportunities those people's platforms. If

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you will, we will be a people who our history,
our voices, our fight, the fight for justice, to fight
for freedom, to fight for equity, will be erasedly will
be sidelined, and their word, the bashism of it all,
the authoritarianism of it all, will be the only thing
left standing. And so wherever you're sitting, no matter if

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you're saying I can't get out there with.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Them, I can't.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I'm not gonna protest. I'm too afraid too, I'm not available.
My life is not set up that way. I got
small children, job looks. Whatever your situation is, it is
not for us to shame you, but it is for
you to figure out. Can I send ten dollars? Can
I share a thing? Can I subscribe? To help make
sure that these people are up in the algorithm and

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that what they are saying is being spread. My thought
of the day today is what are you gonna do
to make sure that in this moment when a Jimmy
Kimmel and a Karen Atia and these different voices are
being suppressed, how do you stand up to make sure
that the other voices rise and at a joy and
read who's no longer on invest In BC, but she's

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giving you the truth every single day through her own networks,
her own platforms. Pay you and will you support her
and stand with her and others who are doing that word.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
And that's pretty much what it is. I've been saying
that lately. Shout out to Testa Figero. She was just
on Abby Phillips show and she said, you know, she
said a lot of people saying, yo, I gotta I
gotta feed my family, you know, I gotta eat. I
can't say this, I can't do that. And she said, well,
you gotta find somebody and invest in somebody that's willing
to stall, you know. And that's just the reality of

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the situation. And you gotta you have to have people,
you know. I keep saying this like it's we are
not going to Kumbay way, Kumbay way out of this situation.
It's gonna take sacrifice. People. Can they lose? When we
talk about the boycott or target, there a lot of
black people they say, oh, you know, we had our
products in here. We losing money, and we understand and

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that's part and unfortunately you were one of the people
that had to sacrifice at that moment and another thing,
I'm gonna have to sacrifice. My freedom and my mind
will be all of these things. All of us have
something different that will have to sacrifice, but it will
have to be a sacrifice this moment, because these people
have made a decision that they are organized and they

(23:34):
are strategically try to whitewash America and eliminate our voices,
and if we are not intentional and willing to fight,
then they gonna succeed.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
There's still a lot of people that don't even believe
what we're saying.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
And it's unfortunate because, as I keep saying, we're going
to wake up and it's gonna be too late, But
the reality is.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's already too late. So for our team of mine today.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Last week, while you were walking the runway and I
had the pleasure of sitting in the host chair alone
and talking craft about you. But that's a whole another thing.
I talked about the domestic violence rates and how alarming
this is to me, Like I'm paying attention in the world,
and I'm saying to myself, anybody else noticing that domestic.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Violence seems to be up and it seems to.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Be a whole lot of Black women, especially who are
lives are being taken by their partners.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
But two and so I talked about that.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I talked about how important it is for us to
keep bringing this up, to make sure that we enter it,
because it's not just domestic violence in terms of black
women being killed, which is if which is happening, but
then black women going missing finding out that the partner
killed them dismembered them. Now, I know this has always
been a thing, but I also know the data is

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knowing that the rates are up because many organizations and
many cities are focusing now and in their attention on
domestic violence because they have so many incidents being reported
from the local authorities. So it's not something that I'm
just saying, this is something that the data is now
backing up to prove that this is an issue. And

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so I said, we gotta put this front and center,
and then sure enough I begin to learn more. I
can't remember if I talked a little bit about it,
but I know I wasn't completely aware of the details
of what happened in this situation.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
This TMI.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
It's like a you know, sometimes we try to make
them light, but this is really serious.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
A woman by the name of Romeika Meek's Blackman. She
was thirty one years old. A mother in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Who was fatally shot in her face after dropping her
child off at school.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
And it is alleged that the.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Boy, the child's father's girlfriend is the one that shot
her in the face right and kills her. And so
the temi is that if you are that upset with
somebody in a relationship and you have issues, the idea

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that you might show up somewhere with a gun to
kill that person or and they say, well the young
lady was the aggressive, It doesn't matter. Imagine that one
person is dead, one person is gonna spend probably many,
many many years in prison, and a child has lost
a parent and the father is now going to be

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responsible for whatever happened. It does not matter what the
details of the relationship and we broke up and he
was this or that, None of it matters. That the
fallout is a woman lost to her life and another
person will lose her life because she took a life.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
They are we serious? Are we serious? Are we doing
too much?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Or then people are here that's actually gonna come on
here and say, well that's a you know, you might
have to do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Bruh, y'all bucking Yeah, It's never that serious. To me.
I don't think any relationship should drive you to want
to take a life and actually ultimately give up your
own life.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think that's that's what I think you have to
learn emotional intelligence. And young young people go through those
things and you see a lot of physical altercations as young,
but as you get older, you know, you realize that
it's never that serious. But I think that's what we
have to focus on. You know, when we talk about
violence and you're saying that domestic violence is up, it's

(27:57):
just it's just another form a lot of people are
when when resources are down, when people don't got money
and they're in the house and they mad and they frustrated.
The closest person to you is the person that gets
the strife from me what I'm saying. So that's why
you see a lot that you see more higher rates
of domestic violence that you actually do see violence inside

(28:17):
because a lot of people is too broke the goouse,
so the inside the house arguing frustrated, just like during COVID,
you know, domestic violence things and when you know, so
I believe that it is a symptom of the times
that we are in. Right, you're going to see before
it's over. Unfortunately, I don't want to worship, but violence

(28:38):
and cloud is going to get a lot higher in
our communities because they can they you feel the tension,
you feel people not having you feel you know, people
are frustrated. You know, people don't even realize what's going on,
but they realize something is I was having conversations with
my wood the other day and he's like, yo' it's
just really hard to figure out how to see Hindu

(29:00):
these days, this day to day, just every day just
trying to survive. And that's a sentiment that I'm hearing
from a lot of different people. So, you know, we
have to focus on mental health, you know, because that's
what we've been doing with raising Kings and boycott Black Murder.
We've been going in communities and schools and dealing with
at risk youth and teaching them about emotional intelligence, teaching

(29:23):
them about violence, interruption and alternative to violence. You know,
but we have to do it on a bigger scale.
I think now we need to go into these at
risk hoods the main ones right now, and just have
some real men, you know, the credible messengers and men
who've actually been through things and who are respected in
their communities, and start really grabbing up these young boys

(29:44):
and creating our own army. You know, That's what I said.
They talked about sending the National Guard into the community. No,
we don't need that. We just needed men in the
communities to rise up and start raising our boys to
be soldiers to protect our own community. So that's what
my focus is now, because if we focused on, oh,
they doing this to us, and we frustrated, and we're
not creating solutions and we're not creating our own and

(30:06):
building our own then we've already lost. So I think
that's what it is for me. We have to have solutions.
We can't just always focus on the problem. A lot
of people are problem based. We've always been solution based,
and I think in this time, galvanizing our own soldiers,
our young boys, our young kings, and galvanizing them with
the older credible messages and unifying them and taking the

(30:29):
young boys for the battle and the older ones for
wisdom and building our own front.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Absolutely, I think every single word you said, it's so powerful,
it's so true, and I agree one thousand percent. I
still think that you buget if you need to be
so mad whatever's going on that you show up in
a neighborhood, a school or whatever would have gone and

(30:59):
some power or another whether who was the aggressive, but you
end up taking the life of a woman over something
that got to do with the boyfriend and this and that.
No way it is that is these types of things
don't necessarily have anything to do with resources. It doesn't
have to do with all of the issues you just

(31:19):
laid out. It is the emotional intelligence thing that you
said the first time. That regardless, because it's okay to
look at somebody and say you're a piece of no
good trash and I'm never gonna deal with you again
in life, but I'm gonna save me. I'm gonna make
sure that I'm good. To get involved in some back
and forth that you end up taking someone's life, that

(31:43):
is going way too far. So I pray, but I
understand your point is that all of this stuff is
being it is coming from a place that people are
not thinking what they're not thinking right, people making bad decision.
I'm just that the trend of shot them baby mother

(32:05):
killed this person relationship turns into uh I saw a
video that I sent to you the other day where
the guy is trying to push his way into the
apartment and the woman is there or at the door
trying to stop this guy, her ex boyfriend, from coming
into the apartment and the guy that's inside tells her

(32:26):
move back, moved back, and he shoots the man when
the door opens now and like shot him, like you
know that.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
He was shot. Now. My thing is, of course you
got to defect. Excuse me.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Of course you got the defendant, protects yourself and they
got That guy was a good shot because he knew
how to shoot specifically through the door. But the woman
was still standing right there holding the door.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
She could yeah, she shot or if that man would
have got his hands on that he might have took
her life because he seemed he was coming through that
door like a bed out of hell.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Man that he was talking about that relationship that you need, No,
you don't.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
And you know the man is because you can hear
the man and they're like move move, Like what was
your plan? What you thought was gonna happen when you
got through that door?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Sir, what did you talk.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Talk?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's time the wall.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
If that's who they want to be with, let them
go and let them live merrily.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Ever left up, let go and let go. That's right.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
So this interview that you all are about to watch,
it's been pretaped in studio with our girl, Rachel lord Linger,
who is a grurule in public relations, messaging and in
crisis management. You probably won't get to hear all the
good stories about crisis management that she's been involved with.

(33:54):
What you will hear is an authentic story about a
woman who's come through, who's been through many different challenges
and she continued to forge through and look at where
she stands today.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
You will hear from our sister, Rachel nord Linger. So
check it out.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
And yet another friend has joined us today on the
TMI Show. One of our running so much chokes but
conversations around here is that our friends are always on
the show, and friends are always doing really really really
really amazing amazing amazing things. And Rachel nordlinga who joins
us today, is no different.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I know Rachel a.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Long, long, long, long, long, long, long long time, and
I would have to say that this sister has been
a major influence in my career. But the beginnings for
where you started at the Terry Williams Agency and even
before that doing work in Africa and then going on

(34:56):
to National Action Network and now having your own firm acting.
I mean, it's it's big, big, big. So my your
little influence, the little influence on me is nothing in
comparison to the work that you've done and the people
who you've worked with and for, And so we are
so excited to have you for the first time as
our sister on the tm MY show.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Thank you, Rachel nord LINGA.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
We need I told you Janis, we need a bell.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So how are you feeling today?

Speaker 4 (35:29):
You look amazing, feeling related to.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Be with family and you know you are right.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
You have some very very powerful people in your conglomerate,
people that are really defining in a historical context, who
we are as a country, who we are as people,
and representing the needs and values of what's right.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
How are Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:53):
I woke up, I woke up the other morning and
Reverend Sharp they called.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Me and I said, oh my god, what did I do?
Or who did it? I was like, Oh, I knew
he was going to give me a drink.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Your future system.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
We got plans, yeah, but it's good to have our
family at No matter how far we go, National Action
Network will always be home to us, like we were
raised there through the fire, through the fire. It was hard,
it was it was wrong, it was yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
It was really.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
This new age of you know, internet justification of work
where you just get instant gratification.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
We had to be in them straight. We had to
really have accountability.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Had a boss.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
We were we were challenged. We were challenged, right. We
had a boss that was red. Was tough on us,
but it.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Wasn't so much that he was being like tough for
just tough sake, but he had to make us tough
because what we were up in every day.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
You couldn't be weak. You can't be a punk.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
And I always say stipwrights and social justice is not
for the punks if you're going to do it properly.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
When I first met my son, he.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Told me, oh, no, you don't know anything about the
corruption and the like the challenges of an industry until
you're in the hip hop industry and entertainment. And I
remember looking at him saying, come on into this political world,
what say you.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Now is pretty much a dead even.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Is it dead even?

Speaker 4 (37:33):
But it's dead even, but it's a different either because one.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Is supposed to be for something period.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
That's what That's why it really shocked you that you
have this level of the seed and all type of.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Ship what we have, but you know, having people that
you That's why until freedom out organization is so important
because the thing I think I learned my time at
NAN and other experiences that I've been through is that
you have to find your people and have one another's
back because that's the only thing that will save you

(38:08):
in the end. So speaking of all of that, just
talk about like, you know, let's go to coming from
Terry Williams Agency, God bless her. You know you got there.
I don't know how you made it into PR I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Essentially, it's an interesting story because when I graduated from
college many many years ago, a lot of years ago,
I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life,
and I applied for a fellowship in Gambia, West Africa
for teaching, and so I moved to West Africa for
a year from where I was living in California in Oakland,

(38:45):
where Mills College which I had just graduated, and I
got this fellowship, I moved to Gambia.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I had an amazing experience, and I.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Still didn't know what I wanted to do with my life,
and so I applied to grad school. I got into
Columbia University in Harlo, into the grad program. I went
about two months and I just wasn't in the It
was too much theoretical, abstract knowledge. I wanted to be out.
Somebody showed me a flyer. Back in the day you

(39:14):
have flyers, and it was a flyer fruiting interns for
this place called the Terry Williams Agency. Now I don't
even know what the hell public relations were, but somebody
told me that she represented people like Eddie Murphy and
Janet Jackson and the film companies, and it just exciting.
I literally went the next day and applied for an internship.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Got the end. I ended up dropping out of grad school.
I didn't tell nobody. I didn't tell you, Daddy Peter.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
He ended up cutting me off because he wanted me to,
in his own words, help the young people. He wanted
me to go and be a teacher, and he didn't.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Know what pr He was irate irate.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
So look, I ended up working my way up from
intern to vice president over an eight year period. I
worked hard, seven days a week, all day, every day.
But I fell in love with amplifying our narrative, creating
stories about us. Like it was the adrenaline that I
got from like seeing something and then watching it be

(40:19):
on the front page or in the headlines or as
you know, we'll get to that, but you know, we
were as you evolved and as I evolved and ascended
in pr it was just a joy to be able
to like.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Lift us because we'd our stories are not told properly
at all, and you just knew that.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Did you know there was.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
A disparity or you were just excited about telling the stories.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I was excited about telling the stories. But as I
got excited about telling the stories and.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
I actually tried to you know, the practition of it,
I realized they weren't accepting our stories.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
It was a.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Really hard lift to have to get the mainstream news
outlets to They just were not checking for a snunny capacity.
And so you know, look, I as long hours.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Lots of sweat.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
When I left the Terry Williams Agency as vice president
after eight years, I said, let me start my own shop,
and my first two clients were Attorney Johnny Cochrane and
Reverend Al Sharpton. Attorney Cochrane had just won OJ he
was moved to New York because he had a show
on the Court TV called The Cochraneuse, And my job

(41:31):
was to help get him into sort of the New
York lifestyle, help him to acclimate, make sure that people
knew who he was.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
And I was his rep on the record.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
On a lot of cases that he started to get
into in civil rights. You know, before in California, he
wasn't doing as many civil rights cases. When he got
to New York, he started doing cases with Reverend Sharpton.
He started doing the New Jersey for I'm gonna do
Diallo like cases. I believe he was on Diallo at
first too. So I started working with Johnny Cochrane and
then Reverend Sharpton, who had been a client at the

(42:01):
Terry Williams Agency, and he and I just developed this
symbiotic relationship that we knew we weren't gonna let each
other go no. So I started the firm with them
and Ling Media nord Linger Media.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I worked at nord you met sister. I met at
I mean I worked at nord Linga Media.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
When we met.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Shall we share some stories, Yeah, no thing, but.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Was one of the most incredibly like liberating, exciting, scariest
fun times because we we worked so tirelessly, we were
under such immense pressure. It spawned all kinds of emotional
trauma and and things because we were dealing.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
With people getting shot every day.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
We were dealing with like real life things, and so
as a result, it impacted us.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Emotionally a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
It did, It did, and we will I walked up
five stone five flights of stairs.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
I lived in a brown still in Harlem. It was
like a cliff, like literally to get up you had
to like walk up the street. I used to throw
the keys out the window.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
That's it. That was how we got in the building.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
So you and you started Goop Media and you worked
for how.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Long in North How? Oh?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
I mean, I really worked for National Action Network. But
I was so the thing is, and this is why
you have to read my book. I live to tell
the story because it's all in there. And I was
like what some people would consider to be troubled, but
it really wasn't me being trouble.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
It just was a lot in me, a lot in me.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
So I had to move around from department to department
because everywhere I landed there was me, and it was
some drama or something. I didn't get along with people,
or I wasn't you know, I wasn't motivated because I
didn't like the area that I was in. I also
have always been a big energy person, and there was
people that I had to work with that we just

(44:00):
didn't it didn't work out. So really, by the time
I get to nord linga media, I'm on my last straw.
Like Reverend Sharpton is like you're fired, or you go
over there and work with Rachel and in fact, we
want you in a satellite office. We don't even want
you to come up in here. Because I was just
it was just always something.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
But it was.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Really when I think back, and you know, after doing
all of the self analysis, what I realized is that
there's not a place, there's not There is not a
place still to this day that I know of where
people notice at ten that you're a leader and literally
raised that like nobody know, you know, you don't know,

(44:42):
it's just like you talk too much, you know, you're
always complaining, always got an issue. But really, in that
little ten year old who was struggling, there was this
person that I am today, and it was hard to
kind of.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Rachel was the one who was like, nah, I see it.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
I didn't see any problems you. I saw.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
What I always say about you is you were a sponge.
You picked things up so expeditiously, like you learn you have,
but I picked up the bad shit.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
H Well, you were a sponge and you didn't lean
Comm's department because a drama. You left because you kept
ascending and ascending, and you know, blessings to Red because
he believed in both of us and believed in your ascension.
And you just you were like you just took off.
You just took off.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
He did, He did.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
So a man nor linga media. You know what, what
was the process to get to the next note?

Speaker 4 (45:46):
So I ran my company maybe fourteen years and then
they got a little call one night on Christmas, the
night before Christmas eat from then Mayor Bill de Blasi,
and he said, I would like to meet with you.
I said tomorrow, it's Christmas Eve and he said.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
But I'm really it's really important.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Can you come and meet my wife, and I am
brook Like. I mean, he was very convincing in some
kind of way. I landed in Brooklyn the next day.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
And she does not travel to other boroughs.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Nowhere and listen, pid or, it is a tragedy, and
there's a tragedy. So I went to bar Tote in
Brooklyn and met Mayor Bill Deblasio and his wife, and
he looked at me and he said, Rachel, I've been
watching you for years, and you would make an amazing
chief of staff for my wife. I'm like, what is

(46:39):
the chief of staff even? And then I'm like, listen,
I've been arrested twice. I got all kinds of drama.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
My man is a.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Flat felon, and he high fived me and said that's
the kind of person I want around me.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I'm like, okay, well, shoot, you love it. I love it.
So I'm like, okay, let me try this.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
And I ended up going to New York City Hall
and becoming the chief of staff for First Lady Charline mccry.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I was never a manager.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
I did not find joy in working on shaping her
schedule and doing those things. What I did love was
when I was actually pulled over to the mayor's side
when Eric Garner was murdered.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
They didn't know how to navigate. Now, remember there.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Was a lotgic going on around the country. You had
Trayvon Martin in twenty twelve. You also had just Fergus.
Things were going on around the country, and they did
not want New York City to be that same you know,
uprising to speak, and so I was able to really
help build a bridge between the mayor's office and the
community and things you know, were there was no uprising,

(47:48):
et cetera. The same thing that builds a Blasio high
five me four and said was great, ended up being
my demise, which was when Eric Garner got murdered. I
convened at City Hall with him and others.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
It's the safety community.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
We had Bill Bratton, the then police Commissioner, Calm, Reverend
Sharpton King.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
We did sort of.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
The town hall was a more intimate gathering to talk
about what do we do. I sat Reverend Sharpton right
by Bill Bratton and right by Mayor de Blasia, and
the police didn't They couldn't get to Bill de Blasio,
and they couldn't get to Sharpon. I was the lowest hanging.
So they implemented this entire campaign to basically try to

(48:34):
kill me by needle. I took Scharlaine mccraid to Constant,
which is where in New York is the It's the
hidden police place where they have cameras of.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Every and they know exactly who you are, what you're doing.
Ee inch of New York City. There is a camera.
Now they can go to your street, every inch of
the city. So I took Charlene to Colmstown.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
And that's another no, no, you won't take nothing to
take this woman who who's just the wife in the.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Coveted secret place. No sooner than I lead Constant.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
There was a story that was leap that I was
living with a man that many many, many, many many many.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Years ago had committed a very.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Serious and had had run ins.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
With the legal system for many many years as well.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
And after that story ran, it was just it wouldn't stop.
There was even a story that I had an overdue
library book at the Edgewater Public Life I kid, you know,
So I finally said this ain't for me and I left.
You know, I was like this, this is too much.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
My family left. I'm sure like Dan, I think.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
At the point when I left, everyone was like, this
is too much, right right right, right, right right, frum.
This was when I was literally on the front page,
the cover of the New York Post, the cover of
the Daily News, like media must not have had nothing
else to cover.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Now.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Mess is just such an everyday part of In fact,
if you date a criminal, it's probably a badge of
honority because you got one running the country. But anyway,
I left, and the day that I left, I got
a call from this public affairs firm. Again, I don't
even know what a public affairs but they called me
and they're like, we don't like what they did to
your family.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
We would love to meet with you. I was like, what.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Time can I be there?

Speaker 1 (50:25):
And I answered anyone you was ready to go to work.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
My lance of check in at city Hall was one
week before Christmas. I needed to figure out I you know,
I still had to figure bills out.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
So I was like, okay, I can do this.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
And I ended up going into this public affairs firm
and I ended up working there for several years and
actually became the first black partner email ever in the
history publica.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
USDI. That is, it's crazy that you just saw the
whole start.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I broke down all these qual vacations, how you have woke?
They send every rank and they would literally say, this
is the It is the weirdest, dumbesthit, I.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Think, but it's very intentional and to strip you of
all that work. And we didn't talk about who Terry.
We did not She's she's the catalyst.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
For all of this for you. A black woman.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
In her heyday, Terry Williams was the pre eminent i'm
gonna say black PR practitioner because she ran every whether
it was film companies, whether it was I mean, I
told you she had Reverend Sharpen and Johnny Copperan as clients.
When I would she represented her who's who of of
what's what. It was messaging, it was communications, it was

(51:42):
a lot of crisis management. It was community engagement, it
was coalition.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Building, it was all the thing. She was a person
that believed in the personal.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
She was the kind of person that would send people
handwritten notes call don't skip through life, Rachel.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
She became my biggest, biggest advocate. She was in it
was boom. She was in this.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Set like literally every day telling me, don't skate through life,
finish this project tonight, make sure that you give your best.
And she just instilled in me, you know, just the
work ethic that I had today.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
So you got the job at Mercury, got you became
a partner.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And then one day somebody said.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
One day, you know, the top earners at Mercury, we said,
you know what, we were half of the Mercury was
a parent company was omni billion dollar advertising comengl One,
and we didn't.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Love the marriage.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
And so the top earners at Mercury, We're like, let's
start our own, and we branched off and started acting,
which is where I am now. And on October first,
we will be four years. We are now among the
tenth fastest growing public affairs firms not in the country.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
On the globe. Wow. Wow that But job.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
I always tell people I need a job, and no
one takes it seriously. But I guess when I'm serious,
people will be more serious about it. I'm serious. You know,
it's being an entrepreneur. Let's talk about being us about

(53:27):
talk about entrepreneurship. For you, even with the clients and everything,
I've watched you the struggles, and you know I experience it.
It is hard, hard, hard, so you know, there's this
whole thing online where people are upset with Tabitha Brown
because she said, you know your company, your idea is great.

(53:48):
Your excuse may not be that great, but your company
is great. You got a wonderful idea or a concept,
whatever it is. But you probably need a job also,
like you need a job. People are so upset not
I get why folks want to say no. They want
to say you got to encourage people instead of discouraging them.

(54:09):
I don't really see it as discouragement. When you sleeping
in your car.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
And especially when your person has experienced is sunny, you're
given advice based on your own.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Exp Remember how hard it was for us to pay rent?
Oh please time. Look, entrepreneurialism is one big risk.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Unless you have the temperament to deal with risk, it
ain't for you because there are definitely days when you're
not gonna know if you have a check.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
There're gonna be days when you have to figure.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Out what to how do I get to this print?
So it is unequivocally not for the week.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
But the positive side.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Of this digital age that we're in is that it
has been a boot entrepreneurs because now anybody can boost
their product online. There are so many different conduits now
for you to be able to amplify your narrative and
your messaging that did not exist right when we says
we used to wait a minute, used to fat the news.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I still have memorized in my head all aps. Number
number one.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Was I don't even know the numbers anymore, but it
was AP was the first, was the number one on
the list, and then New York one.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
And we used to try to get everything on New
York one and we turned it out.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
We always we did, we did.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I was on New York one and that's that's a see.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
But this speaks to my example about having a job
while working on your passion because even though I was
working in the PR and remember I started my little
Mallardy not little, I started Mallory Consulting as well so
that I could do projects, but I was also on TV.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I was talking about the issues.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I was still working with Nan and doing taking other
clients on the side.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Hustle and flow.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
You got a hustle and flow, and you know that's
I think why you've been so successful is because.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
You know you you're from the hustle and flow like.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
You New York City, where the hustlers resigne, you.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Had from day one ingrained in you.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Even though your parents are the bull most liberated human beings,
I know you also really really had folks around you
that they were from the street, like it just is
what it is. And I always admired that about you,
like I always, Actually, jealousy is.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Not the right word. I craved what you had with your.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Family were so embedded in your life.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
They were just such a fixture.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
And I always and what I really loved too.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Was your life was not devoid of spiritual You had
the you had, the activism, you had, you had all
the things, And I'm like, you know, this is something I.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Definitely want around me.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Well, what was your Lord have mercy? I was raised
by some white folks. I was adopted at age one.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I was given up at birth.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Was adopted a white couple in New Mexico, Peter and
Janelle North.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Father was an astrophysicist, mother was a artist. Very hippy flippy.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
They wanted, you know, just nineteen seventy was when they
adopted me.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
I was born in seventy We had just come out
of the civil rights movement where white people had all
this white guilt and and felt like they.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Could save humanity.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
And so I think the reasons my parents adopted us
were the right they wanted. I had a black brother, Fred,
who was also They wanted to show us a better life,
and they wanted to show America that we.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Two could live as one.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
A challenge with that is my hippie ass flippy parent
tried to raise us in a color blind environment.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
When I looked in the mirror, I saw a little
black and so.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
My color was robbed of me. In this home, I
never had exposure.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
We lived in the most upper class, whitest neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
I had really minimal exposure to black folk until I.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Honest to God, I didn't even date a black man
until I did in high school.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
But he was also raised by a white.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Parent, So I didn't date a black man until I
was in college. And you know what, they said, let
you go black, I have a God. That was it.
That was it. That was a wrap. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
And then your mom and my mom, you know, amazing human,
phenomenal artists, but struggled with a lot of mental health issues.
When I was in high school, I was fifteen. We
were living in Los Angeles, California, and I had just
gone on a European soccer tour.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I was a really big athlete.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
I had just gone on a month long European soccer too.
My mother dropped me off to go on the tour,
took me to the airport, and then was scheduled to
pick me up a month.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
She didn't show up to pick me up, and something
just felt wrong.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
I'm like, why is she? Like, something just didn't feel right.
And I remember waiting and waiting and waiting, and after
waiting for hours and hours and hours, I got this
feeling in like the something were something really And I
called home and my dad answered the phone and he said,

(59:40):
they found your mom.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I'm like, what do you mean? I cursed him out.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
I'm like, you mean they found her body stopped playing?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I cursed no. Her body was washed ashore at Huntington Beach.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
She took a bottle of pills, drank a six pack,
and just walked in through the oath as a fifteen.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Year old beguilt.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
First of all, I'm thinking, Okay, if she didn't want
to see.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Me, that liked, damn lady, that happened the same day.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
She was literally supposed to me up instead instead walked
into the ocean. So for years I carried a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Of that guilt.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I never knew that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Wow, that's deep that it was like, you could have
did this any other day you decided to do it,
or the day he was picking me up? So was
it for me? Did I have something to do with it?
That's heavy?

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Wow? So but you know, look, mental health is a.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Real real thing for white people that have you know,
my parents had a lot of like a lot of resource.
We I mean, what others go through that have no
resource is just we're in a place right now, we're
in a dark place.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
We really are, well before you go to the dark
place in society, because so much to be said about that.
Then we had these boys that we were raising while
trying to raise ourselves being raised and raising children at

(01:01:14):
the same time, and we always say that it was
you know, it was very challenging to keep a steady
hand on them while also being like not just career driven,
but passion like it was a purpose to the work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
That we did.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
And yet you find out that the purpose really was
more it should have been more about them than anything else,
and that's the lesson for us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I know it's the lesson for me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I tell other people all the time that I see
their work and work and work and working, and what
they're doing is good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
They're not in the club. We weren't even we didn't
even go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Every now and then we went out, but if it
was a work event, that was the only time that
we got a chance to enjoy ourselves because we worked
Saturday morning early eight, seven o'clock, seven thirty something like that,
we had to be at work. And so Friday nights
is a dub except when I was stumbled.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Day and the day Reverend Alfred Charles Sharpton has something.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Something was going on Sundays, whether it was church, I
went to church, I went to Richeson's church. Something was
always happening, and we were busy, so we didn't. We
weren't clubbing, we weren't hanging out. And I see other
people like that, especially entrepreneurs. It's not that they're hanging
out or you know, blowing off their children, but they're

(01:02:34):
so career focused that they don't have the ability to
balance at all, which I don't really know that balance exists.
And as a result, the children suffer, and so then
the question isn't even about balance, it's like you if
you have That's why I don't believe people should have

(01:02:55):
children before they're able to get their careers really like
off the ground, because it's not the children's fault.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
But it's also you need to do what you Your
career is important.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
So how like now looking back and now having a grandson,
I have my granddaughter, my son has a grandson. What
would you stay to this this idea of careers children?
What would you say? And what are you encouraging? Car
He's been my baby his whole life.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
He loves you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Look, if I could change anything, I would change that
I was an absentee parent. I might have been there
physically too, because I worked from We were physically there,
but emotionally I was born and so he gravitated to
the streets. I mean we I lived in Holland, so
he naturally was raised outside while I was outside and

(01:03:53):
doing other things. If I could change anything in my life,
I would have changed being much more present.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
And you know, you can't make up for lost time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
It took years, you know, the trauma that ensued from
just me making those early decisions. What it led my son.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
For years and years and years.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Caused a lot of a lot of anger. We're now
like extremely close. He's forgiven me, and I've forgiven him
for some dumb shit he did along the way. But
I would tell people that you have to have a
work life, and look, you know that sounds not even
attainable because we're in such an economic place where people

(01:04:36):
are literally not even able to eat.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
But you have to find a way to work when
you have to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
It's even for yourself because because I just like I
am apologetic to my child for being at an absentee
parent at times with him, I actually also have to
apologize to myself because I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Was an absentee to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Me right like I wasn't I let me get lost
which led me to you having to take me to
rehab because I was so my foundation was very shaky.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
And this is what having family and having all the things.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
We were the sole provider, single parent that had to
provide for.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Everything, money, running to the schools, to this and that
it's oh just man, oh man, just period man, Yes
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
So the country is burning to it's going to ship.
I truly do think America is in the midst of
like its demise.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah, I think it's the pre stage of a revolution.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Quite frankly, you know, if you study history or other
places where there have actually been revolutions, this was the precursor.
Like what we are doing now were the pre stages
of a revolution. And look some stuff we may have
to start over and rebuild the rate we're going, we
may have to. I'm not encouraging us to form a
revolution per se. I think we can find other ways

(01:06:11):
to revolutionize. But I think we are there where we
have to make some.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Real decisions about what are we going to do as
a community.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Can we get out of these chats? I'm in nine
hundred signal WhatsApp chats where people are spostifizing about what
can we do? Take you ask outright and to get
to these young folks, get to the people, organize the
stuff that you guys do every day at until freedom,

(01:06:43):
stuff that man has done every day for years, is
being outside and being a bridge to the community. You know,
folks right now are law It's a really scary place.
You know. I would like to say we only have
maybe less than I don't know. The man's probably gonna
rewrite the Constitution and be the president again, who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
But it's not forever. Yeah, the midterms coming up. I mean,
there are still things that we can do to try
to get our power back. But we're in a bad place.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
We're in a bad place. When there's an attack on
free speech and there's an amplification of hate, people can't
even tell the difference between the two. And when pinion
of me can lead to someone who's thinking that I
don't deserve to or I don't deserve to have agency,

(01:07:35):
or I'm not even human. When you have that type
of voice and you can utilize it to do and
it's protected by a free speech and me saying that
that's not okay is not protected by freeman. We just
it's a matrix.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
It's only protected if it's not coming from us.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
And it's coming from us.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
It ain't freezeoo. It's you get block.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
You're gonna get shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
You know, I've been you know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Going to exile you from mainstream America if you have
free speech. And that's why it's like it's it's contingent
upon and it's really incumbent upon us to find a
way to communicate and amplify our narratives in a way
that still gets done what we need.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Mm hmm, still get done what we needed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Yeah, there's so much. I mean, I I'm you know,
I'm with you. We've been through so many different iterations
of this thing. Right, like we've been on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
This ride for a minute, so we know all you know,
we we what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
My mate, right, what I think is that hello, we
are now we've been warning people about all of this
for a long time, right part of hour, and we
and you and I and my son who's been on

(01:09:04):
this journey now for ten years of his life, a
full solid decade.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
He has been in this struggle.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
People who are walking around and were walking around oblivious
to what's happening. Everybody just want to get money. Everybody
just wants to have access. Those people do not even
know what they've done by ignoring the writing on the wall.
We've been in it, knowing that we had to fight

(01:09:34):
and struggle and fight and struggle, and they looked at
us like we were crazy. Times have you heard people say, oh,
my god, get a real job all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Do something else like why do you keep? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
And sometimes I ask myself that no, quietly like, are
you crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Like you're glutton for punishment.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Now they've taken those.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Real jobs because Dei is gone, so something we thought
are gone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah, we make Joe so jo. But how does it
make you feel knowing that you are highly educated, highly qualified,
and you watch qualified educated black women get this d
knowing in the back of somebody mind that they would
say the same thing about you, like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Look, having been raised in a white home.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
And being around a lot of the white experience.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
I've been hearing that rhetoric since I was I've seen
that since I was a child. And you know, you
have to have a really like tough veneer to be
able to withstand a lot of the tom foolery that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
These people perpetuate. It ain't easy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
It is not easy, you know, as you two do
every single day. The solution is obviously not to give up.
I think we're in a moment where we have to
embrace fear and have to really like be uncomfortable. A
lot of people just don't want to be uncomfort and
I think we're in the most uncomfortable time we may
be in in our lives, and if we can, we

(01:11:06):
can really move in this discomfort.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
We can do anything, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
I suggest that people who are listening to us would
go and read Doctor King's sermon The Mastery of Fear,
Mastery of Fear, because I use it a lot to
talk about what the premise of it was that he
was saying, I'm not telling you I'm not fearful. I'm

(01:11:31):
not telling you that fear doesn't exist. Fear is a
real emotion.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
But we have to use fear as fuel.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
You gotta take that fear and let it be your
guide that helps you so that you can fight. Right,
because when you're afraid you do something, somebody come at you,
you're gonna try your best to get out, whether it's
to run or fight back or whatever it is. And
what he's saying is stop trying to make fear like

(01:12:00):
a weakness.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Boom.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
I think what doctor King was also saying is there's
a negative theory and there's a positive.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
The negative fear is an implosion. It implos in time.
It makes you stagnant, like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Positive fear is an explosions. Go outside and get it done.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
It's it's like and I feel that way when people
introduce me and they say she's fearless. I often come
behind them and say, that is not the case.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
It is, it is, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
It has been very, very scary to be in our
homes and at six o'clock in the morning, the FBI
comes and knocks on all of our doors to ask
us questions about, you know, whatever they want, whatever thing.
They were just trying to scare us. This is this
is many years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Now. That's a you know people all y'all where you can.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
In the New York Post and the headline was red
Owl's Gal. Yes, yes, that's right, because it had just
homes and many other stuff. That's right, that's right at.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Six am in the morning. Look that's on red It
wasn't it wasn't anything. I don't even know where this
whole investigation went. And they they went, it's talking about
gals and guys. They were really trying to shake people
down around him, to turn them, you know, I mean, it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Was some painful stuff that was scary.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
The things that I went through, you know, dealing with
the Women's March and the fallout there, that stuff was scary.
Not having food to eat because these people were able
to cut off my lifeline and they are doing it again.
And this is where I have a sense of I
have a sense of resentment at times. Last week we

(01:13:49):
interviewed Lannie Smith, who was the owner of Actively Black.
They oh oh, oh, please please please beat with it
was Athleisure Premium Athletes, your brand, And he said that
because he got emotional when he came out to do
his speech at the end and he was like, y'all
don't know what I've been through. People you thought would

(01:14:09):
have supported me, they didn't. And he said he had
to stop, which he did. He pause and he almost cried,
and in the interview he told us that he had
to stop talking because he didn't want to use that
platform that moment to like call out all the people
that did nhim wrong. And I was saying, that's me, right,

(01:14:31):
because there's a resentment in me that says, when these people.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Were after me, right when.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
They were cutting off my livelihood, shutting down you know, everything,
making me out to be just the worst person in
the world.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
That's all I can say. You know what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
You were there every single day, crying, writing, trying to
defend me, defend me. We would have fought back then,
maybe we wouldn't be at the point now where they
can just fire you for posting somebody else's words and
in fact stop up the people who are up who

(01:15:14):
are being attacked in this moment, we're part of attacking me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Well, karma, because I've seen people having jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
It's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Yeah, it's bad, and it's I'm not saying any of
it is right. And we still have to stand together
because we back out here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
We just to understand the reality that what we're dealing
with we knew it was coming. And that's I think
that's what it is for me. It's like the disappoint
of watching this moment and it's still people that don't
even know there is a moment, right because those having
this conversation yesterday, wow with a bunch of doing I'm like,
and I'm explaining to them stuff when they're looking at
me like, I'm like, you don't know that that's having it.

(01:15:55):
Then we could tell something that's going just I don't
know what it is, so they don't really realize what's
going on. Just knowing that we foresaw this moment happened
and seeing us in it and getting deep deeper, like
it's it's really like I don't even know what it
is fishbowl.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
You feel like you're in the fishbowls and that, and
so even the black folks who are dealing with the
onslaught of this moment that I don't even fuck with right, like,
fuck them as far as I'm concerned. But I can't
even stand in that because the pendulum swings back and forth,

(01:16:36):
back and forth, so you can see.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I can see here all I want and say, John
did this to me, and I don't like John and
doted I because he said this. We was talking about
that last week.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Oh, I don't like Isaac Hayes at fan Base and
then the actively black guys he looked at me wrong,
and I don't like the way he We don't even
have time for that. We don't even have time for
it because if we don't come together as much as
we can. And what scares me is that there's some
black people that don't know we need to come together.

(01:17:09):
And that is a scary thought because there's a We're
only gonna be as strong as our weakest links, and
if our people are not aware of the crisis that
we're in, we're gonna be in more trouble. We are
in real serious trouble when you had God rest Hazel
duke soul that she left here and didn't have to

(01:17:29):
deal with what we see. If you don't know Hazel Dukes,
please look her up. She's a civil rights icon. But
when as this whole thing was coming to be and
the election was happening, and it was clear that Trump,
you know, not clear that he was gonna win, but
he was a problem again with Kamala Harris. I remember
Hazel saying to me one day, this is not the

(01:17:51):
same as anything else we've ever been through, because we
knew we were in a fight before.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Y'all are not really clear.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
It's like it's like if you put a frog inside
a boiling pot, it'll boil itself to death if you
put it at a certain degree, and you won't even
notice you being boiled to death, like he would literally
sit inside the water until he's And that's the moment
we were in. And we're in a slow pressure cooker

(01:18:23):
that's slowly pressure cooking, and people don't even realize that
they're literally taking away and slowly with sure and people
who are and when you in the communities that we
come from, you don't really just see it blatantly because
you just still outside, you hustling, doing this, and then
you start realizing, well, nobody got no money, no more so,

(01:18:44):
but you know these laws ain't really because I'm not
inside to that circle.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
You're selling drugs and can't sell them. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
That's how it happens. Just when you know, when nobody,
when the drug dealers can't sell drugs, when the scammers
can't scan because it ain't no money nowhere, then that's
when you start seeing. Now there's more shootings and all
of this trick down, the last young in the last
level of a trickle down. So you don't realize it

(01:19:17):
by the time we get to you, it's so fun.
Might not even be there's nothing because it's nothing else.
They've already anticipated. They built up, they built up the police,
the national but they got all this ship because they
know eventually y'all gonna be starving. If we're gonna be
able to lock you up and kill y'all, do what
we gotta do. So we we're preparing. We're fully preparing.

(01:19:39):
By the time it gets to y'all, we done already
locked everything. Now your mother ain't got no job, we
don't nobody can help you with the judges, is we
overturn anything that don't look like so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
It's where yeah, you know, to go back to Reverend
sharpen we when we sat with him a couple of
weeks ago, in fact, think you may have gone to
the bathroom or something, and he was He and I
were just sitting there doodling talking in the room and
he looked at me and said, we're in a real

(01:20:11):
serious moment. But it was the way that he looked
in my eyes like something that I may have seen
when I was younger, when things were really serious.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
He was like, I know these He told me, I
know these people. This is real serious.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
I have not seen him disconcern. It's serious as he
should be. Well, thank you, Rachel. That was so good.
I got to learn that we didn't respond when you
were like, well, that's true, but you go on all
the big shows, so you know. But when you asked
what we're going to talk about it, I'm like, we're
gonna just talk that is it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Thank you. I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
For coming down here. The PR strategists extraorited.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Thank you for joining the TMI show.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Shout out to our sister Rachel nor Linger. That was
an amazing interview. It's always good energy when we interview
and our friends and we know how powerful they are.
Just hearing some of your stories and and knowing some
of the stories that y'all didn't tell on screen. Just
you've been through so much together. Just to see both
of you in different stages of your life, you know

(01:21:26):
you're excelling, and her being this big pr person, one
of the biggest.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
You know, bridgest, the biggest, the largest.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Exactly, and just seeing her continue to grow and just
just listen to her story. Right, I never knew, you know,
the story about the month like that was that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Was like, really, I learned things too.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
I learned things to certain things I didn't know. So
it's like that's why you sit down and talk to
your friends. That's why you got your own podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
And we can get the information. Shout out to Rate
you for her amazing, amazing interview. Just make sure you
follow rate. You know Linger, she's doing big thing now
for my I don't get it now. There's been a
lot going on online and online It's just it's so
crazy to me, right because I'm from a different error

(01:22:19):
and maybe I'm the old school, old fashioned and it
could be a lot, but it's just certain things that
we did not talk about in front of camp. In
certain ways, we didn't deal with each other in front
of cameras. There were certain unwritten rules and things that
you didn't do, and in this era, those rules have

(01:22:40):
been completely erased, you know, and for what they call
clouds or clicks to get into the algorithm. There is
a method in a strategy that's being used that is
just cringe worthy to me. I'm watching people that I
have known, people I have respect with, something have real

(01:23:01):
personal relationships. Something I'm just cordial with, but we've had
communication with. I'm watching people do things that are shocking
to me, and it's actually disheartened. I'm watching people say
and do things that I think the values just in
my views and from a lot of people that we know,
coming from the same places. And I'm just watching and

(01:23:22):
it's been confusing. And the latest, you know, is this
situation with Cameron and Dame dash Now you know, I
know both of them, you know what I'm saying. Me
and Kim know each other for years. Me and Dame
or cordial, We spoke, you know. I appreciate what Dame
has offered to hip hop you can't really take away
nothing that he's offered. You know, I've watched I've been

(01:23:44):
around this industry, like inside this industry since nineteen ninety eight,
you know. But I was always a fan of music,
but from the outside from when jay Z first started
and you seeing him and Dame Mould and then being
on the ine and have an intricate shout out to
my brother blah blah blah, God bless her dead, who
was like a big brother to me, who was down

(01:24:06):
with best out who was close were Dame and jay Z.
You know, I had a little more insight shout out
to Tone from Original Flavor, who I grew up with, Like,
I had a lot more insight into the industry and
just the business that they were doing. You know. So
I always respected Day and I'm watching this situation with

(01:24:28):
him and Cam. I'm watching him beef on fifty seven.
I'm watching him beef with who else is he beef for?
Charlotte Magne. I watched the Breakfast Club and it's actually
disheartening to me, you know, I just I feel, you know,
that what are we gaining from this? I watched him

(01:24:50):
and who literally built one of the biggest record labels
in the world. Now going back and forth August on
a Internet with everybody you know and not saying he's right,
but how did he gain from this? Like, I don't understand.
I feel like it's diminishing what he actually accomplished, but

(01:25:12):
it's getting him in the algorithm. Right, every time we
see an interview, it's a million views, it's two million views.
It isn't really worth it? Are those views worth with
the level of mystique and prestige that you actually attained
in this industry? Are you going to get the monetary
value that is going to equate to what you've already

(01:25:35):
established as a man and as an entrepreneur within this industry.
I just I don't see it happen. And I'm not
saying he's at fault. I'm just Dame is the oldest
person in all of these rooms. When you having this
conversation with Charlamagne, you the old year older and this y'all,
when you're having this conversation with with Cam you older
than him. These people looked up to you, Kim, with

(01:25:56):
somebody that you can that was underneath you, that you held.
So when you diminish it this and now why that
there's also a lawsuit that he just filed against CAM
for three hundred million dollars. And we're talking about defamation
the character and all these things, and I'm saying, that's
what y'all want to do. But I'm watching everybody defame
each other. I'm watching everybody disrespect each other. I watched

(01:26:19):
him called Charlemagne all kinds of names, and you know,
there was a lot of criticism about that, and I
heard people say, oh, you know, they disrespect the name.
But I've watched Dame give as good as he got,
you know. I've watched them born different platforms and say
things about people that I'd be like, damn, why would
he say that, and didn't agree. But everybody has their
personal issue. I'm just as a fan as somebody watching

(01:26:42):
from the outside, as somebody who knows Dame, who sat
and talked to Dame, like we really sat and talked
about music, we talked about business, we talked about my book,
like he's supported somebody watching Dame from the outside that
doesn't have any ill will ill fait. I just don't
like this for him. I'm not okay seeing him in

(01:27:04):
this manner, you know, And and I know it's a
lot of people that we know in common, and I
want somebody to say that. I want them to say, day,
I don't know how much money you gonna make from this, right,
but I don't think that it's worth with your with
your with your sacrifice. I don't think the level of
character and prestige that you've had throughout your life, even

(01:27:26):
though when you was going with the back and forth
shit with jay Z, that was some personal ship. Whatever
it was, y'all was best friends. People can't really judge them, right,
nobody can really get involved. We have our pinions this
and that. I think at this point it's really just
trolling an incident and you and you should be above that.
But I get it from the youth, I get it
from the twenty year old. I get it from that

(01:27:48):
you should be above that. I really believe that you you,
You are above that. You are someone that we we
recognize as an icon and a pillar within a hip
hop can And I don't like the way he's being
viewed right, And I don't like I don't like the
conversations people are having about it because I have respect
and love for Dad, you know what I'm saying, And

(01:28:09):
I hate to see him and Camp even doing this.
You know when these people were both came up where you,
like you said, Dame helped him throughout his career. I
think I'm telling Gang Camp, at some point this got
to just start. Just leave it alone, you know what
I'm saying. This is an old g right, and at
some point it can't just be about views and click

(01:28:30):
an auldre the algorithm and gotta be more than it,
like we gotta be worth more than that. We as men.
Our legacies can't be that we were stand up dudes
and tread that we were stand up dudes in the
industry and we paved that way, and then when the
Internet came, we started disrespecting each other and the value
on ourselves and saying shit and looking less than we
were supposed to be as. That can't be our legacy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
It just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
It can't. It can't be where we've got. I hear
too many men that I've respected and I looked at
to and in all types of things get on this
Internet and say, you know, I'm just trying to get
this is just content and it's just for the algorithm
and that shit. It's disheartening to me It's really disheartening
to know that men have come to a stage in

(01:29:16):
their lives that this Internet is going to take away
from your legacy and I just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Here's that I have nothing to learn. I think you
said it all.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
So that brings us to the end of another episode.
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