Turning the Mic on Social Justice and Comedy: Featuring Kamau Bell

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tamika D. Mallory and it's.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Your boy my son.

Speaker 1 (00:02):
In general, we are your host of t M I.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
New Name, New Energy. What's up, my son, Lennon? How
you doing today?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am great, Tamika de Mar, how you feeling to this?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm good. I think I'm probably the sleepiest person.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
I know. I've been sleepy for seven years and seven
seven days and seven nights.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
But sleepy, smirt.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
You know there's a study out right now that says
that black women don't get enough rest, and I know that.
I'm They studied me, even though I may not have
been there for the study. I'm absolutely they They literally said,
you know that girl, Tamika Mallory, she is the quintessential

(00:50):
example of a person. Because now that I'm going through
it is so clear to me that I'm in a
change of life. Like physically, when we were at the
Plies concert, all I could do is laugh because both

(01:11):
you and Angelo was like, is everything okay? I started
to sweat to the point that my eyebrows, the top
of my lip, all of the body parts were drenched wet.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Just everybody was hot, but not like me.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Well it was not listen this funny little joke right,
So so applause is like were going on the stage,
all of us going on the stage together. So there
was a woman who was a security guard and she
said to me, you going on the stage, what you're
gonna do, let's do it. So we started tworking and
acting up like this is what we're gonna do when
we get on the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
When I get on the stage.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
When I had to get down off the stage within
three minutes because it was too hot between the light
behind me, the everything was too much, too much, too much,
I was. I just happened to see her off to
the side and I went over to it and I said, girl,
and she's like an older woman, I said, girl, all
of that about what I was gonna do, I said, honey,

(02:13):
I had to come down off of that.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I was sweating so bad.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
The lady liked to fell down on the ground because
you don't understand.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
So with you don't, you don't.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
So with this change of light thing, the one thing
I realized, it does not matter if I go to
sleep late or early. I'm waking up two and a
half hours every single night. Every two and a half hours,
every two and a half hours, every two and a
half hours. I'm evy. You can't get a full night sleep.

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It's horrible. It is hard, real bull the sweats, the
waking up and you're wet from everything.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Your hair, you can't even have a good hairstyle.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's a little crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Nobody, No, no, it's just look at Janice. Janice, our
producer is over there, like girl. Nobody understands. It's terrible.
It's terrible, and men just don't go through this. But
y'all do go through something else. But we'll talk about
that on another show man menopause.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Okay, well, you know it was CBC was definitely it's
not called CBC.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I wish people would.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Stop saying that Congressional Black.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
No, it is the CBC ALC.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
So it is not CBC because CBC is literally a
group of people that are It's the Annual Legislative Conference,
that's really what it is.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's really the ALC by.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
By the CBC.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Okay, so we were at the ALC by the CBC
in DC and.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
We see CC.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
We was in DC at the ALC by the CBC,
and we see a whole lot of people.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
And if Angela Rye was on because she used to
be executive director of the CBC, I think CBC, but
she would say, it's not even just a CBC, it's
a cbc F because the cbc F.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Is the foundation.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
But and I'm being you know, sarcastic or whatever you
want to call it, but I think it's important for
people to be educated so they know exactly what these
things are. Because I can see somebody saying, oh, y'all
went to the conference, and y'all was, and y'all told
my turking, like, what else did you do?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
No, this is an actual legislative.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Definitely, definitely a legislative conference. Shut out to brother Ben Crumple,
you know, we've seen him on the panel.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
But Jasmine Crockett test and others.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
And figure they had the black mayors were on the panel.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
We have even we even had black Magnet out there.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
The MAGA people crazy, I'm.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Your Magad people is bugged out. They had about four
Maga people there that just was running around, just mad,
and I'm like, this ain't why you here.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
No, it's not why you're here. I would prefer to go.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
With with Joyanne Reid's statement why are you mad every
single thing? Y'all want exactly what you voted for.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Exactly, So why y'all coming to the place where you
know nobody agrees with you to just sit around and
be contrarian. It's just like it's very weird. I would
not go to.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
The GOP place. I'm just not going because there's nothing
there for me.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
It's like, okay, we don't think of like it's.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
But it's just it's really stupid.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
And I'm just sitting there Washington, moving around the angry
about everything. They arguing with people that like that's telling
all them and I'm like, why why are you taking
this time out of your day? I know you probably
don't live in DC, Like did you come here just
to be? Like what?

Speaker 4 (05:44):
But you know what, my son, I'm gonna say this
that it's concerning to me.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
It is extremely concerning to me.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
That I just want to be careful because I don't
want people to say whatever, But it's extremely concerning to
me that these MAGA folks and other people like them
want to go into spaces to trol people and believe
that they're not gonna get their ass whooped after a while,

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like you running up on people aggressively, not like you're
not just saying what your opinion is or standing up
in an audience saying well, I have a different perspective.
I'm also a black person, and as a conservative, I
feel this and that. No, they start and fights arguments.
I hear people going back and forth in the hallways.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
And I wasn't even paying attention. Y'all was over there
with that.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
I was actually I couldn't even I'm looking like, why
are you people?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
But I'm just saying and then and then they gonna
call the police on you when you knock one of
their asses out because they up in your face, right,
And y'all kept saying, well, Angelo kept saying to me,
just keep walking, keep walking, because they're looking at you.
And they saw I looked up and I saw them
looking at me and like walking not towards me, but

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just kind of like coming in the direction. And what
they were waiting for was for me to catch eye
contact with one of them so they can say, oh,
yr you so and so.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Because they know.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Exactly who the key people are, they know what they're
coming to do. I just went on about my because
I know God has not delivered me to the place
by the way. By the way, it's not even just
being delivered to the pace. People say stupid stuff to
me all the time. I keep it moving. It's not
that serious. But I really do have in my heart

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something that I gotta work through. It's a not in
my chest about people that made this man president for real,
for real. So I don't I don't even want to
talk to you because we don't have anything. It's people
that we were friends or at least very cordial with
that's like, oh, can we talk? No, I have nothing.
I don't want to learn. I don't want to understand
your perspective because I see what's going on and it's

(07:56):
nothing that you could tell me that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
For these people to be president.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Sure, are other people wrong that other people help to
fund genocide the other people? Yes? Should they be challenged
about it? Absolutely? Should they be reprimanded?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Should they?

Speaker 4 (08:14):
You know, Joe Biden, from as far as I'm concerned,
he should have been got out of the race. Like
we're gonna talk about something else later. But it's like
a point when you just know, Joe Biden, ain't nobody
gonna vote for you with that nonsense. However, I do
think that he's the only person that could have beat
Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
But just saying you, it comes a point where yes,
we can say you've done.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Things that I just can't.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
I can't support you, or it is up for a
massive debate because I need you to see my perspective.
But with those people, they are literally like the bane
devises existence.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, because they don't even have common sense. It's not
it's it's like I was watching I was watching the video, right,
and they asked the lady. He was like, so, how
did you feel when Joe Biden said, just put some
light into your as system? If you put a light
ultra light, that is going to be that's but that's
what she said, right. So then was like, I don't

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even understand. Why would anyone listen to Joe Biden. It's
the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And they see, oh
my full let me wrong question, wrong question. And then
he went back and said, how did you feel when Trump?
Because Trump was doing actually said how did you finish
the well? It depends on what kind of light you have.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
That's what they do.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
And it's like it's like, what are you talking and
it's really it's really the conversations that they have and
it's so weird.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
So committed exactly, And that's what I was trying to say.
I've never been That's what I mean. Is That's what
I mean that I'm trying to articulate that, yes, these
other individuals should be challenged for all their ship because
there's a million people and elected office, even some that
I actually love personally who I know needs to be challenged.

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And guess the hell, what so do I? I sometimes
I need to be challenged. But when you cannot even say, listen,
I'm not leaving your side. You still my homie, you
still my dog, We're still gonna be whatever. But this
is what you did right here is wrong.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
They don't even do that.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
They don't they make everything that this man does right,
and I'm just not.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, it's it's unreal. Man.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
You know, we just in a time that I think
that is so telling. Like every day, shout out to
meek me. I was just at Reforms new office. Shout
out to me, shout out to our brother Jay Jordan
Jessica Jackson, and he was dead.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
They just did a ribbon cutting for their new office and.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
First thing he said to me is that you're we
in some serious times, Like that's why jadakiss.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
He'd be like looking at me like, I'm it's not
it's something wrong here right like you yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, literally just he literally just was like like they
like first they're gonna take the money, and then the
heathen's going. I say, yeah, I said, this is what
I've been trying, and he get it. He's like, nah,
this is he said, and they don't even see it.
I said, yeah, I'm glad that you And I said,
it's crazy that people are just so blind to what's
going on right now.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Like people want to say, well, why if that's the case,
then why was Ivanka and Jared Kushner at the reform event?
That's what they That's what if I was listening, that's
what I would say. And you know, I saw that
commentary online, and you know, I know that Jared Kushner
and Ivanka have been part of not part of reform,

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but part of that whole criminal justice thing for a
long time.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's nothing new. So people who got upset last.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Week because the reality situation is you.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Can't do it without having this.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
You have to.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
In order to pass laws in America that has to
be brought bipartisan.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Well that's not true.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
You have to have the majority of a particular party
at the time. But the thing about these and it's
not so much just about laws. What they have been
able to do through reforms work is to get people free.
And they've been using UNFO. And I've said this to
people because we know some of these folks. We know

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Topeka Sam, we know a number of people who were
able to get pardons, you know, in order for them
to get all these pardons done, they don't stop doing
that work depending on who's president. So when Donald Trump
was in office, obviously they lobbied for a number of
individuals to be exonerated, I mean not exonerated, to be pardoned.

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And so they do this whole bipartisan effort that no
matter who.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
And I've said.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Many times because I've received phone calls from people like, yo,
you know, I put my name in, whether it's know
and when Trump was president before and of course Biden,
and they said, y'all, I put my name in.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You know, I hope that if they.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Give it to me, that it's not an issue for you,
like you know, because they like I don't mess with
their values quote unquote. But I'm not gonna wait until
we get Obama back from the dead. You know what
I'm saying, twenty thousand years from now, we want a
President Obama type of person to come back and give me,
you know, a pardon.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And so I respect that. I get it.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
I and I have said to every single person that
called me with that, please go get yourself free if
you do whatever you have to do under any administration.
Now with to Meek Mallory sit at the table with
Jared Kushner and and what name that Vanka Trump? Not me,
I'm not going anywhere around those people got evil spirit.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
And for me, it's like understanding the reality is that
we're dealing with, right if somebody's going to do something positive.
The reason why we are INTI Trump because we don't
see the positivity that he's done and in that reform,
you know, they've done a lot of positive work, like
the woman who is the partons are as a black

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women and she was in prison, you know, and there
are people like that that you have to allow them
to do the work because that work is necessary.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
And it reform is definitely a non point, nonpartisan or
bipartisan organization. And I want to sit here and be
like everybody else that f them whatever, because I understand
in order for us to get free, what do they say?
You can't use the Master's tools to dismantle the Master's house.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Right, And so I want to be like that. But
I also have.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
To be sensitive to the fact that my life has
not been impacted the way that these people's lives have
been impacted.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I don't have you know, I have a.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Luxury to be like yo. I don't need that because
you don't need it.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Because you don't need If you sit in jail with
thirty four what he is and you had a life
sentence and you're trying to get a pardon, you don't
give a damn who gives you that party.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
You ain't gonna say I ain't taking the Trump gaming.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
No one or two people have said they don't want
nothing from them, but that's not a norm.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I don't have a record like Jamil T.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Davis, who is still paying restitutions, still dealing with So
if Trump came said I'm gonna give Jamilla a pardon,
I would say, since I can't come to the event
for your celebration, until you get home, going up there
and get what you gotta get. So you know, there's that,
and we always say, like everything, it's a contradicting world

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that we live in because I but I also know
how to reconcile that. In order for reform to be
as effective as it has been, they have had to
work with people that I probably would never sit with ever, ever, ever, ever,
They've had to do that, and and I want to

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try to find a way to respect and understand that
because I don't have a felony conviction. And remember when
we were hit with those felonies in Kentucky. You know,
I'm willing to stand on what I stand on because
doctor King was a felon, right, so I'm willing to
stand on what I stand on. But it definitely was like, damn,

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we didn't even hurt a person, you know what I mean.
And so imagine people who have that and they're trying
to figure it out. They really are not about to
sit here and argue with that's about the politics of whatever, of.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Who giving them what.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
And it's the same thing with people getting food. If
you feed them, they don't care if the food came
from this administration or that administration. So to your point,
do good, do good, see do good, no matter who
you are, so that we can live in a society
where I can go and maybe I disagree on some
fundamental things with Ivanka and a Jared Kushner on these people,

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but we could still sit in the same place, which
we do do that sometimes with certain people.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
But these folk here, not me.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's little rough, not a day.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I can't I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
I respect those who's still gonna get the job done,
who gotta hold they nose and make it happen.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
But I yes, that's not my thing either.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's not my bop as the kids said.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah no, because I'm gonna say hey, hey, I need
to talk to you about something else.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
That's just me.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
But anyway, that brings me to my thought of the
day today. Yes, we do have a thought of the day.
Although we have a special oh.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, we have a special interview that will come up
later in the episode where we interviewed our brother caame
a bell and beautiful interview.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
It really was dope, like he's a dope individual.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Like I've always been a fan from Afar and just
watching him his intellect along with his humor and it's
just amazing.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's dope.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Do yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
It's a great interview.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
It is the CBC edition of The TA and My Show,
and today we actually interviewed in studio assisted by the
name of Charelle Jones, who you all will hear from
next week. Charrelle is ten years clean after having been
pretty rock bottom on drugs and alcohol and other things.

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She talks about addiction, talks about making that decision to
get yourself together and I think you all will enjoy that.
So you come back next week and you will hear
from miss Charrelle Jones. But for now, let's get into
my thought of the day. So come out of CBC
and these people, these people that are down there in Washington, DC,
in the federal government, they never cease to amaze me.

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And by the way, I want to make sure to
state that one of the other things we did during CBC,
which we will be having Congresswoman Ayana Presley on later
this month, was to talk about the crisis of black
women being pushed out.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
Of the work.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
For I know I talk about this every week. I
know y'all tired of it. We also have doubt. When
we were down there we talked about black men being
neck and neck with us in terms of the numbers,
and you know of how black men have been impacted.
Also last week, y'all heard us with the guests that
we had on who were you know, specifically diving into

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the issue of veterans and black women. So this is
something we're going to stay on. Representative Ayana Presley has
taken this issue straight. She is now calling on the
FED chair to investigate and at this point, by the
time you see this interview, there may have been some movement,
but as of right now, there's not been anything done

(19:41):
since she for the last couple of weeks was calling
on the FED chair to investigate this situation and look
at how.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
This unemployment crisis and the shut the.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Purge of the federal government is impacting black women. If
you have three hundred, four hundred, five hundred some different
you know economists say thousand white women pushed out of
the workforce at one time, it would be a national crisis.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
It be on every news station.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
They would be being discriminated against, it would be white tears,
it would be everything, and they would be right because
it is completely out of line to go and push
a certain group of people out of the workforce and
call them incompetent or unnecessary when these people have spent
their lives working and building and doing things to be

(20:33):
responsible citizens. And so I'm working alongside congress Women Pressley.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
We're gonna do some more.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
We're gonna bring her on the show to talk about
where the FED chair stands, because there is supposed to
be maximum employment, especially in the federal government, for people
who are employable, and it's unfortunate this is happening.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
So that's something else that we did.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
We had a press conference with Bishop Leo Daughtry, also
Melanie Campbell. Who else was there, Britney Packnett, Reverend Breonna Parker,
and I'm sure I'm missing somebody else who were down
there to hold court and discuss this issue in DC.
So a lot happened, a lot of powerful content took

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place during the annuite Annual Legislative Conference for the Congressional
Black Caucus Foundation. As I was saying, these folks, man,
I tell you, every week they do something different, and
this week it was very disturbing to me listening to
Pete Hegseth, who is now the Secretary of War. I

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mean even the language that is being used. The fact
that just two weeks ago, the president, or maybe it's
been more than that, the President of the United States
announced that instead of the Department of Defense, which means
we obviously are defending ourselves. And to me again, words
are important because defense means don't mess with us, we
won't mess with you, right. War means that at any moment,

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right we can go picking on people, taking their resources,
harming their communities and their you know, nations, and just
being a bully around the world. And while we know
we did that even under the word defense. When you
start speaking certain things, more of it comes to you.
So what do they say, The word you speak bring

(22:23):
you the energy that you're looking for. So if you're
out there saying I love myself, I love myself, I
love myself, I'm beautiful, you know I you know, whatever
it is that I go through, God's got me that
is going to permeate, like it's going to be the
thing that is motivation on your life. But if you
walk around saying, look at me, I'm ugly, I'm ugly,

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I'm I'm you know, everything is terrible, My life is horrible.
It's almost over that's the energy. It's the energy again, right,
that you manifest. So when you say Department of War,
you're putting certain energy out there into the world. And
now he is the Secretary of War.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Why don't people get that? Like, why do people? It's crazy?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, like why why are we in a time when
people just ignore the most obvious ship Like a man
went from the Department of Defense meaning that we're peaceful people,
we're going to defend ourselves, we and we're the best
at defense to the Department of War, Like why why

(23:25):
would why would you want to change language like that
and then't blame everybody else for violence that's going on.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yeah, I mean it's sick. It's all sadistic. It's sick.
And you know, anyway, I'm back to I have a
real problem with people who voted for the man.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
So any who, So.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
The Secretary of War, Pete hag Seth, who was definitely
d I okay, he got the These people are very
he's what they of course, I'm just you know, I'm
being funny. Obviously, I know that diversity, equity, inclusion is
necessary and there's nothing about it that is bad. So

(24:05):
when they talk about when they said with the way
that they try to classify Dei Pete Hegseth would be
all that because this man was a TV personality. Yes
he was in the army at some point or one
of the armed forces, but he ain't that to be
the secretary of anything or because this is somebody they like.

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And in the last several days, this man made a
speech that I just want to see this and this
is my thought of the day. I want to know
where the line gets crossed for either the MAGA or
the people say.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Some people say, I'm not MAGA.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
I just have conservative values and I think that Donald
Trump is better than the Democrats, definitely better than Kambla Harris,
which I veheminently disagree with. But I want to see
where the line is crossed. So now the language that
is being used, the quotes that were stated during Heagseft's speech,

(25:08):
get rid of all that social justice stuff. That stuff
is dead, woke within crap right, woke within the armed forces.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
It's over with.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
He even went as far as to say that they
were going to now allow for he said, and you know,
allow for a form of physical abuse as a motivator
for the soldiers, meaning that they could go back to
beating your ass, right. They the way that women were

(25:40):
just disrespected so bad. You have women who have served
this country, women who have given their lives, women who have.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Done all types of jobs.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
And women who had to go through the same physical
training and the same physical testing as everybody else, and
to sit there and act like those women are disposable,
that they weren't supposed to be there. This country is
going backwards, and I'm just wondering where is it, Like,
where's the line that you would begin to hear from

(26:12):
some of these people, some of them that I respected,
some of them that I was like, okay, because guess what,
when you start talking about Joe Biden and genocide, I'm
gonna sit here and say to you that was definitely
a line that was too far, and it was something
I was willing to call out when the children in Flint, Michigan,
didn't have clean water, and it felt like the Obama

(26:36):
administration was dragging their feet.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
They wasn't going there, you know, flying in to go.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Try to see about those people quick enough for me,
I said something, I protested, I showed up at the
White House.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I did what I.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Could, so I'm just trying to see where is this line.
Is it not that the defense of war that now
seems to have a war on when men that is
now even allowed because just let's just be clear. While
women have been abused within the army and the armed forces,
it is not just women. There are men who have

(27:11):
also been abused. And guess what. They weren't gay men
or trans men or this kind of man. They were
just men and they also have been abused terribly, okay
by people who whoo, who are inact egotistical, rapist, dangerous individuals.

(27:32):
You think men don't get raped, absolutely, so these things
have happened. So you're saying now all of the strides
that were gained because people fought the good fight to say,
we need to put more rules regulations around all of
these things, like you know, around this this structure which

(27:53):
is important to us. It needs to be protected in
these resources in need support. That's why when we see
somebody who in the armed forces, we let them go first.
We clap at them, we thank them, we show them
love and respect. But guess who doesn't because guess what,
while they're sitting up here acting like they care so
much about the soldiers well, damn it. Why don't you

(28:15):
give them housing, Why don't you give them health care?
Why don't you make sure that they have food and
the services they need, that they have jobs, that they
can go into the federal government and work, that they
can go to other places and work, and that they're
treated right. Why don't you give them mental health support?
So you don't want to give them any of that,
but you want to put them in a dangerous environment

(28:37):
to go out into the world, and then to disrespect
women who have worked to fight and have been stand
up individuals fighting for our nation. And I don't hear
anything anything from some of these people. I'm not talking
about people I don't know. I'm not talking about oh,
you know, what are they saying on X and what
are they saying over here? I'm talking about folks who

(28:59):
want to call me so bad to tell me, well,
you need to see it from this perspective in apers,
what is the perspective now? Are you saying that the
Department of War that's acceptable to you. He also said
that they were doing a way with some of the
rules of engagement right now. The rules of engagement were
designed to make sure that that you have what is

(29:24):
it levers of control where you don't have civilians being targeted,
where you don't have u civilian properties being targeted, where
there's like no women and children, you know, things things
like that, right, innocent people preserving a particular community going

(29:45):
in trying to extract the whoever it is that you're fighting.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
This is These are the things.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
As far as I understand, that is included in the
rules of engagement. And if it's not that, then what else?
Explained to me? What else is the problem? And I'm
just you know, I just want to hear from you.
You the person who's either MAGA or a Trump supporter,
do you not feel that this what I am describing

(30:13):
and what peak Pete Heg said said, you don't feel
like there's an issue.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's it's disheartening to see.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
You always because it really is.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
It's like I'm watching this and it's like these people
are crazy. Like I've watched I've literally watched probably like
three Like I watched when they did the Madison Square
Garden thing, and I was just looking at.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
What Madison Square Guarden.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Before he before he was when he was.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
The last couple of rallies that they.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Don't know the rally and Madison Square Garden just listening
to them, and then I just watched little bits and
pieces of Charlie Kirks, you know, Moyle, and then to
watch this, you know, this thing with Pete he Except
and Donald Trump just talking and it just was like
I was just I really be like, am I end

(31:05):
like the Twilight Zone, because like this shit can't be
like real, Like it's no way that we have a
president that is so far removed from common sense, that's
so far removed from what this country even supposed to
stand for, and people actually agree with the shit they say.
It's really scary to know that there are people who,

(31:26):
at the drop of the dime, will pretty much kill you.
What I'm trying to tell you is this when you
so when you this hell bent on taking away people's
civil liberties, taking away their rights, silencing them, that is
like you're killing someone, You're taking that that's someone's life.

(31:47):
Like there are people that are so against another person's
way of life that they want to completely silence you.
They don't want you here, they want laws to say
that you don't exist. Like it's all type I'm trying
to say. It's like even that's not my way of life.
I don't understand it. But I don't want to see
you just not exist. I don't I don't understand what

(32:10):
it would mean because me and you don't agree on
a way of life or or anything or mentality that
I don't want you to exist, especially when it's not
imposing upon my life. Like I don't understand the mentality,
because that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
It's like they.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Don't want It's not so much that they don't want
something for them, right, They're not fighting for rights for them.
I want this. I want to be able to do this.
I want to be a do they're fighting against someone
else's rights? Like, that's crazy to me that you you
have your own existence, you have your own circle, you
have your own tricke, you have everything in your own

(32:47):
and your whole life is to fight against the rights
in the freedom of someone else.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
That's why the question remains, what are the mad that
people so mad about it? It's just really they just
what they are doing, what they're doing with this Department
of War, right, And I just want to tie this
together real quick so we can move on. What they
are doing with this Department of War is precisely why

(33:15):
there are folks out here fighting against these cop cities
being built in different cities across the country. So you,
as a black mayor who for whatever reason, have been
you know, softened and or just agree with that there
should be a cop city in your community, don't understand
that you are playing into their plan. You are literally

(33:39):
helping to complete the project twenty twenty five. Like you yourself,
as a black mayor that supports a cop city project,
you are helping these people fulfill their mission that is
going to oppress and put our communities in danger. You
are allowing the the IDF, which is the Israel Defense Forces.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
To come into our communities.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
If you can't see that, if you can stand up
and say, oh, what they're doing is wrong, We're not
gonna let them bring troops into our community while you
build a cop city, or what they're doing is wrong
because they're cutting snap benefits while.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
You build a cop city.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
You are literally helping them fulfill their mission with your policies.
The things that you agree to will be the difference
between them completing projects twenty twenty five or nine. And
so when we're standing out here protesting, organizing, yelling, screaming
and you having us arrested because we have the foresight

(34:42):
to tell you, don't do this. Don't allow this to happen,
because this is a part of their plan. Don't be
mad at us, because we're trying to help you see
what you may not be able to see. And if
you can't understand that, then you are not fit for leadership.
You should step aside, move out the way. People who
understand that it is not helpful to help them.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
The reason why they want the Department of War is
because Donald Trump is fascinated with people like Putin in Russia.
He is fascinated with people like net and Yahoo in Israel.
He is fascinated with war criminals. He wants to be one.
And if you let him build a cop city in

(35:25):
your community, and yes it is, and I don't care
if it's Democratic mayors. I don't care if it's started
with this Democrat and the Biden them too, all of them.
Everybody goes in the same bucket. You cannot say Project
twenty twenty five is terrible while you help carry out
the mission of Project twenty twenty five. Over here, these

(35:45):
people are trying to kill us for real, for real
and you're not gonna be exempt with your black self, okay,
or your Latino self, or even your white self, because
they don't care about all white people.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
They just care about rich white men.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
That's it, and that's it. Might drop.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Since I brought up Benjamin Net and Yahoo today, okay,
I think that for the TMI, are you doing too much?
Or some people might say, oh please, you're tripping. That
wasn't that big of a deal. But the TMMI today
is around Eric Adams and the photo that he took
in the video that he did with Benjamin Net and

(36:24):
Yahoo at the United Nation. I'm telling you America's trying
to build an IDF. I'm telling you, Okay. That's the
way the IDF operates. They operate to off of war crimes.
They do jenny, which you're not allowed to say what
the whole jenny word is. But y'all know what I'm
talking about. Pum pum, that's type of stuff they do
to people. They starve children, they kill people on a

(36:45):
regular basis, indiscriminate, it's no rules of engagements, indiscriminate killing.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
That's what they do.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
While we talking about that, Eric Adams, the mayor, the
current mayor of New York City takes this picture shaking
hands with net and Yahoo and write supposed that of
all the people, this is the United Nations, every leader
you could think of from around the world, and particularly

(37:12):
okay for Eric Adams to be a black man and
the African Nations were in New York City that he
was also hosting, that black man's going to sit up
there and say that net and Yahoo was probably was
the best that he encountered, the best person he hosted.

(37:34):
And he is you know, he listened to him as
netting Yahoo laid out the case, Letting Yahoo laid out
a case to continue murdering innocent people and continue years
of oppression and suppression of a particular community where he
is trying to wipe out the Palestinian people. And you're
telling me African leaders, you're telling me people from all

(37:56):
over the world came here and the most important person
that you hosted while they were here wast in Yahoo
Benjamin net and Yahoo that the ICC says is a
war criminal because you you could be committed to the
Jewish community. That's like I am. I am committed to
the safety of the Jewish community here in New York City.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
That's what he said. He's committed.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
I'm committed to that too.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
You're committed to that.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
We're committed to the safety of all communities in this city.
But guess what, I'm also committed to the Palestinian safety.
I want them to be safe too, in New York
City and abroad. I want all people to be saved.
This man has been identified as a criminal, Okay, as
a criminal, and you standing up there with him, shaking

(38:43):
his hand and declaring that he was the most important person,
the best person that you hosted for the entire time,
that every leader was from around the world was here
in this city.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I think he knew at that point, he had to
know that was over.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, that was that was destroyed.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Broke the talking about the campaign finance board, which, by
the way, he's raised a ship ton of money. But
the campaign finance board, and you know, the the attacks
in the media, No, sir, no sir, it's not the
attacks in the media. Maybe maybe maybe you have been attacked.
Maybe maybe you have been attacked, but no, sir, that

(39:23):
is not the case. You'll be doing too much. And
this this dying need for net and Yahoo's love and
support for you and this idea that being the the
the top black Zionists in the world. It's not just you,
it's you, it's Corey Booker, It's it's it is Corey Booker,

(39:45):
It's Hakeen Jeffries. And we cannot just keep on not
saying it. We can't just keep on not saying it.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
It's too much.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's at this point, it's just it's embarrassing, right because
as a black man, I voted for Eric Adams and
I wanted to see him do well, and he did
some things.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
They were good.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
But then when you watch a man that's that compromise
and that willing to turn the blind eye to what's
going on and constantly making excuses and justifications for.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
It, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I did an interview with him on Norway's podcast Drink Champs,
and when we talked about it, he was so adamant
about just, oh, you don't know what's going on, and
they did this, and Israel has a right to defend
itself and all this stuff. And I was like, well,
defending itself and slaughtering innocent civilians is not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Oh, you know, do you know this? And he and
he was so hell bent that I just pretty much
left and I realized where you are.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
But watching seeing that picture, you know, almost a year later,
after we know what's going on, after he's been pretty
much labeled a war criminal, to where everyone is.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Saying that all the nation to turn in against him.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, and it's just like, knowing that and you, still
on your last leg, decided that you needed to shake
his hand and write a long letter then to him.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's just like, it's crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
And it's like, it's so many of us who have
made conscious decisions, and I say us as black people
who have made conscious decisions to turn blind eyes to
the truth, to just to to sleep with the devil,
like to really just not even care. And it's like,
it's it hurts me that we are even here and

(41:38):
we even have to have these conversations about a black man,
you know. And I wanted him to do good, like
I really did. I wanted him to do good because
I wanted to be like, yeah, one of us, and
he had the talk and he had all thisst and
it just didn't pan out the way you thought.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Yeah he was he did the right things to step aside,
and now the job has to be done to make
sure that the other one, Andrew Cuomo, does not become mayor,
because Andrew Clonmo needs to go have a seat.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
So we have to do we have to do. Everybody
needs to be out here organizing.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
And for me, I'm trying to vote on the first
day of early voting, and I ask you all to
join me in doing that. Anybody just down to put
a march, rally whatever together on our way to the polls.
We should do that so we can wrap this thing
up and move forward. And you know, and and and
to the extent that we have to, we got to
be all up on Mondannie's case as well, to let

(42:34):
him know that you don't just skate in and you
not just celebrity Mondanni that everybody just loves so much. No,
you got some work you have to do too. And
it's some things that Eric did that we want to remain.
And he did say that recently at a form. He
said that everything does not have to be new. He
said that, you know, Mayor Adams had a very diverse
administration when asked about black women specifically, and he said those,

(42:57):
you know, those are some of the things that he's
going to continue.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
So that's a good thing. That's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Definitely, what's going on.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Family. I am so excited that I have been at
one of the blackest conferences in the world this week
at the Congressional Black Caucus Annual Legislative Conference. Now, you know,
I stopped coming to this conference for many years because
you know, I protest everything all the time, and I

(43:29):
stopped coming for a while because I felt like the
last time that I was here, maybe five years ago,
I just wasn't feeling it. You know, I felt like
folks were chucking and jibing a little bit, and I wasn't.
I just was like, this is not the.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Space for me.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
And this year, of course, with Congresswoman Yvette Clark being
the chair of the CBC, the one who is now
leading the efforts of the CBC. And I know her,
been knowing Yvet since I was a young girl, and
she is a radical black leader, a woman who is

(44:04):
very deeply rooted in her African roots. You gotta know
her mama, a Brooklyn mama to understand her. And I said,
let me come back. Also, black folks need to be
everywhere Black folks are in this moment, and I said,
let me come and be here also to bring my
book and to do all of that. And I can

(44:24):
tell you all who are watching that it has been
an incredible experience the last few days to see a
diverse group of black folks here in the place where
policy for black people at least should be the Rubbert
that needs to road. And the conversations, the panels, the movement,
the resource center, all of this has been very, very powerful.

(44:49):
And so I'm glad I'm here. I'm glad I'm back.
Sometimes you gotta take a little break for a minute
and circle back to your roots. Because I've been coming
to this conference for over twenty years, and today we
get the honor of having with us on the TMO
show our dear brother Come on Bell, Yes, Yes.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
His comedy and activism is just amazing. I remember I
just one day I was just turning the TV and
just saw him on it, and I was like, Yo,
this guy is amazing, Like it's just it's so raw
and real and it's hilarious. So you know, I've been
a fan for years. So to actually get the opportunity
to interview you and just shares space with you. I

(45:30):
was at a panel that you did yesterday, and just
listening to you talk along with our brother pastor Mike
McBride and just listening to you guys talk, it was
just excellent.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Synergy.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Is the energy that you have.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
It's the same that I get when I watch you
on TV. And it's rare.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
A lot of times you meet people and you are
that's not the same person. But this man is exactly
who he is. So we're honored to be here interviewing you.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Absolutely, and you are more than just an activist and
and and a comedian.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
You're also a writer, you're a dad, or you are
a family man.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
And as I can see from the people who are
you know coming up to you and talking to you,
there's some celebrity, but there's also like community person like
people believe that you are one with them, and I
know I feel that way.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
I appreciate that. So I know I feel like I'm
everybody's cousin who made it.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
That's right, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
I don't get treated like celebrities, is fine. I like
it that way.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
People feel like they know me. Like you said, I
don't have enough talent to fake it, so soll I am.
Whatever got me on TV is whatever who I was
in your life.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, I don't have it.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
And it's honor to sit here with both of you.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
I've followed work obviously, the first time we've actually met
shit that, and so I'm I'm in awe of both
of you and uh, And it often was like those
two would never talk to me because they're.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Super real and I'm just here half real. So I
appreciate that. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
You're definitely amazing.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
So what the past.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
So you went to college? Give us like your trajectory. Yeah,
I mean, so I grew up around the country.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
I was born in California, but really my dad lives
has lived in Alabama my whole life, so I spent
a lot of time in Alabama over to Alabama.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
Yeah, my mom, we moved around a lot.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
I said, I was growke my mom, I said, we moved.
She was a black woman with a compatia, so we
had to move a lot. So she was in Indianapolis,
where she was born and raised. They were in Boston,
and I finally high school Chicago, went to college in
Philadelphia univers Pennsylvania for a year and a half and
then dropped out and then just started doing stand up comedy,
and then the Pipsy moved to the Bank because I thought, oh,
I hear the Bay's a good place to get good.

(47:29):
I'll live there for a couple of years. Now I'll
moved to la and get on Saturday Night Live. But
none of that happened, and had been there. I lived
in New europ for a couple of years, but stayed
in the Bay just because I enjoyed the comedy scene,
but more than that, enjoyed the people and really.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Got sort of.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
I was twenty four when I moved to the Bay,
but I felt like I actually I wasn't done being
raised yet. So people like Pastor Mike, Fabian Rodriguez, so
many people in the Bay helped me sort of become
who I am.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
So has comedy been lucrative for you? I know it has,
but I just love to hear.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
I love to hear, well it's Kevin hard there.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Well it's relative, it's relative.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
I mean what's been good for me is that I
have a lot of different places I can be in
so I can be on camera as a host, I
can be off cameras a director.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
I can write because I'm a comedian, I write, So
there's not any one thing I do.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
So when my scene in show got canceled, I was
lucky that I had a bunch of other skills I
could lean off.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it is hard to make it.
I'm in the one person of the comedians.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
But then there's an upper level in upper room, and
I'm not gonna get in because I don't I don't
do it that way.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Well, yeah, you know, when you talk like we talk,
it's like there's there's ceiling.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
I like when you wear the shirts I wear, teacher.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
You know, it's funny that you were saying. You know,
you have a lot of different spaces you could be in,
So canceling one show does not sort of shut down
your ability to still move around and to touch people
and to make money. And I think about Harry Belafonte
telling us a story about Paul Robinson and how he
would us they connected to communities so that no matter

(49:04):
what happens, he knew he could go to a show
somewhere and talk to black folks right for right now,
for that reason.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
So yeah, I'll be at the Punchline in San Francisco tomorrow,
and I'm doing Tulsa in Oklahoma City and I'm doing
Louisville for that same reason. I can just book a show,
book a venue, and go there and talk to the people.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
So we see what happened with is Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
Yeah, so I want you to give us your take, Okay, Yeah,
because I mean I'm a little bit more of the
inside of the average person. So I think the big
deal is, first of all, Jimmy Kimmel was always going
to be fine. He's a rich white man. He's been
He's been making that money for many, many years. There's
there's adults who have never been in the world without
Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
You know how much money is it?

Speaker 5 (49:47):
About like fifty million a year and he's been doing
it for what fifteen years?

Speaker 6 (49:51):
Wow, it's been a long time. So and also forget
the things that that also leads to. He's producing things,
he's writing things. So yeah, so he I don't know,
I'm not watching his pockets when I'm saying he's probably
sitting on what is it, nine figures just because he's
he's you know, so he's not gonna be hurting. But
the point is, this is what the point I tried

(50:12):
to make. Look in the short time trump'sill be back
in office. He's taking out like three hundred thousand black
women have been unemployed. He's got ice in every city.
He's rounding U Latinos, whether you're documented or undocumented. He's
attacking the schools, so many more things. But now he's saying,
if we're not afraid of the rich white guys, we're
not afraid of none of y'all. And so I think

(50:32):
that Jimmy Kimmel, it's funny, and I've said this and
I've been criticized for. But what I mean is like,
nobody thought that the rich white guys would be the canary.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
In the coal mine. Wow, that would be the thing.
But that made regular major Americans be like, wait, they
can go after Kimmel. People who aren't.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
Thinking about the job numbers, are thinking about ice, are
thinking about He made regular, regular, regular Americans be like,
not Jimmy Kimmel, you know what I mean. People who
don't watch him. You know, I talked to some black women.
They're like, I never watched him before, but I watched
his first episode back. So his ratings went up because
of this. My point is he's going to be fine,
but it's but now that we've said to him, let's

(51:06):
get to the rest of us, let's.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Not forget that, Like that should just be a calling,
that should be a wake up call. That's not the call.
That's maybe Jimmy Kimmel. I think I saw his first
small log back.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
I thought he did a good job of like still
making fun of Trump and not looking like he's backing off.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
But is he going to be a warrior and a fighter?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Probably not right, maybe right.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
But we all learned the thing that scared Disney was
our was our grandmothers and our aunties, turning off Disney
plus that's right, and turning off Hulu and you know
who's almost a black chair, you know, that's what scared them.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
So it's like the target thing.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
We have to know what our power is, and unfortunately,
in America, holding up capital is one way that American democracy.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Absolutely, it's funny you're saying that as we were just
hearing from right outside of this studio. Randy Weingarten the
president of the American Federation of Teachers, and she has
joined recently, along with the Ship Cargo Tea Shirts Union,
the Target boycott because I think we all understand that

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that is the one place that's our commonality, right, and
it's the one thing we know we can impact. Any
system cannot stand without consumers and people who are holding
it up using our economic power. And so it's funny,
you know, to me, it's like we might disagree on
a whole bunch of things, but we all agree that
my dollar though that like this is my harder dollar.

(52:29):
I ain gonna just be putting my heart on money anywhere,
you know, so.

Speaker 6 (52:33):
And maybe it's better to I mean, you know, we
go to Target Walmart because it's more affordable because they're
not paying their people, right, So maybe that's okay, I'm
gonna put I'm gonna spend a little bit more for
this in the Bodegen.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
My neighbors absolutely the hardware store and spent.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
A little more money.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
But that person, that person owns a business, absolutely, and
that money stays in the community.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Though, absolutely, you know, I am. I have now become
a great lover of the hardware store. I never because
you know, that's just not my thing. You know, It's
always been my dad, you know, my guy friend to
go to the hard whistel. It's not a thing for me.
But now the local hard whistle, I know where it is.
I found the one that is owned by people who

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look like me and I and I go in and
it got a lot of stuff because they also have
like a corner with maxi pads and like items on
the side. Oh yeah, but they'll tell you you should
know when you get to the hard whistlore how to
use maxicab. But that's why what do I do? And

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that is absolutely So let's talk about Karen Atilla at
the Washington Post because the one thing that well now
not at the Washington Post hopefully her lawsuit. I hope
she has a lawsuit.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
I hope.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
So right right, you know I So let's talk about
the disparities and how those two situations went right, Jimmy Kimmel,
everybody saw it said hell no, shut it down, Karen.
While there was some support, it was mainly black social
media that came together to support the system. And so

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what do you feel like, is that something that you
think makes other artists, entertainers, influences and celebrities Black folks
feel like, let me stay away because they're not going
to back me up the same way that they would
a Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
I mean, let's we still live in America.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
Yeah, we still And let's be clear, the fight to
save Jimmy Kimmel is really to remind us how important
the First Amendment is.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
It shouldn't be thought of it as a fight to
save a white a rich white man.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
This is the thing that I hope we take out
of this is that, Okay, let's we can do this
on more than one occasion. We don't need to wait
for someone who feels safe, for someone that we can
all rally behind. We need to be doing this in
our neighborhood and with for our people, right. I think
the Washington Post thing is just It's also about the
difference between being at the Washington Post, which is a newspaper,
which is a which is an insitution of mo people

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aren't paying attention to anyway, and being on late night television, right,
and the way you get to.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Late that television is you're a white guy.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
So just the just the chances when when you think
about like the history of late night television, and I
was the person who was in the late night TV
for a second, it is overwhelmingly a white male institution,
whereas district newspapers. It's been easier for it's easier for
a black women to get a voice in the newspaper,
let's get in late night TV.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
So I think it's also just the nature of those institutions.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
What I've been happy to see with Karen is that
there had been a time where she would have been
fired and nobody would have cared or nobody would have
paid attention. But luckily now we live at a time
and I'm on substack where she can immediately go to
substack and put out her story and have people go
sub subscribe to her and pay her for her work
directly in a way that they couldn't do before that.
Twenty years ago, you just got laid off.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
What is substance?

Speaker 5 (55:46):
So substack is a good question. I'm trying to bring
subtect to the black folks.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, tell me about it.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
So substack.

Speaker 6 (55:53):
Is a it's a newsletter community, but really it's become
it's a content creator community. The difference between subsect Instagram
is On Instagram, I follow you, and if you get
enough followers, enough clicks, they may Instagram make cut you
a check.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
On subseec, I can.

Speaker 6 (56:07):
Follow you and be like you know what, I'm gonna
pay myself on five dollars a month praise content so
I can directly put money in your pocket in a
way that I can't on Instagram or Twitter. And right
now because of Karen, a lot of black creators and
av do Bernados and subtack, it's also becoming a place
for grown up online conversation.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Wow, because way less troll okay.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
And so if you two went on there, you would
intually get thousands of followers if you just whatever content
you put another places, you put it up there, and
it's a way to sort of like you may have
less followers there than you have on Instagram, but they
will be more engaged.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Wow okay, and.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
They will pay it now. It's independently owned, just hasn't
been sold any billionaires yet. It is not perfect.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
There's Nazis on there too, but it's easier to go
I'm gonna just fall off by the Nazis. Whereas on
the internet you can's on Instagram speed you can't, so
subsect you'd be like you like, for example, my subsect,
you can only comment on my posts if you're paying me.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Oh oh yeah, I need to go find out subst
if you.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
Want to talk to me, that's fine, but I need
find out you know what I mean. And if you
don't want to talk to me, you can talk about
me over there. But I'm not gonna hear about this.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
So it is.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
It is not perfect. There's definitely Nazis on substack. But
people can sometimes say, why are you on subject there's Nazis.
I'm like, I'm in America where there's nothing. Tell me
where I go to skip the.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Nazis in America. Yeah, So it is a It is
an online community for creators.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Like I said, it's got a lot of people of
all levels on there, and you don't have to do
anything new, like I write every there every week. So
like the article I wrote recently was I just came
out yesterday was now that we say, Jimmy Kimmel, let's
say the rest of us. I wrote one a couple
of weeks ago about about Mark Zuckerberg. I said, Mark
Zuckerberg's neighbors hated more than you do. You know, you
know about the Mark Zuckerberg. He lives in a like

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kind of a regular neighborhood in Palo Alto, and he's
bought up eleven houses around so he's basically taking a
neighborhood that was a nice neighborhood and turned into his compound.
And so now people live in that neighborhood like can't
park on their street because he's having a Facebook event.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
Wow, sounds like his neighbors hate him more than the
rest of us did.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
What you'll find time to write? I mean, you're always
on a plane and a thing, and I don't.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
I don't sleep that much. I mean I need to
sleep more than we get tired.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
We do, we do.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
It's really, it's really, it's not hard. It's hard to
find time, but I feel compelled to do it because
it's also for me.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Okay, that's how I feel about writing.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
And I also because I'm a standard median. I'm used
to writing quickly and topically.

Speaker 6 (58:35):
It's like when it's Jimmy Kimmel story breaks, my brain
just starts working and the writings.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
Just get this out of it out.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Okay, that's how I am.

Speaker 6 (58:41):
So it's a way to like and you know, I'm not.
These are things that will stand the test of time,
but they will help. They keep me, they keep me informed,
They forced me because wh I'm looking about Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
I suddenly start.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
Thinking about other things, like, well, where does that phrase
Canary and the cole mine come from? Google that to
find a video of putting a substack. I start thinking
about people keep telling me to be safe. Third thing
about safety, I read about this woman, Alberta Odell Jones,
you know, just try to find out. She's a black woman.
One of the first black lawyers in Kentucky. Just move
off Kentucky. Was the lawyer for a young cash to play.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Oh wow thirty Wow, I think somebody.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Yeah, I wasn't there.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
You went and she at thirty four ended up being
kidnapped and killed. The case has never been sold. Wow,
there's a black woman activist. Wow front lines And so
I was saying, how can I think about fe words
about my safety when there's all these stories so much Yeah,
for me some seconds, it feeds me, and then I
get to put it out there and people get to

(59:41):
help me feed my joke.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
So wow good.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
So I recommend it more black pople we get on
there the more because it also is me taking up
a space that black Twitter doesn't have anymore.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Oh there's no more that's over? Is are you still
on there?

Speaker 5 (59:55):
I just so I can check, but not when the
Charlie Kirk thing happened, I go, I know one place
is going to have the newest news.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Yeah wow wow.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
I just keep it as a burner, and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I think what happens is a lot of my Instagram
coach automatically goldy. I don't know if I said it
to do that, so I'll be seeing responses from it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
But yeah, it's a nightmare that's saying there now.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
They call it black stack. It's like the black craaders
of subtects.

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
So there's it's another space where we can be in
the Maintrea conversation but also have our own conversations, but
also in this capitalistic system get paid.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Tell me where did you get Where do you think
your courage to allow your comedy to also include activism?
Where did that come from? Because a lot of people
they want to make that money, they are not going
to cross the line and start talking not just about issues.
You have a lot of people who are entertainers that
talk about like black issues, but they don't talk about

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black black, black black issues.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
They don't get the mass incarceration.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
No, I'm calling out white folks. I'm wearing thirty four
felonies are not presidential sweatshirt.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
It's funny. So two things.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
One, living in the Bay, I was surrounded by actual activists.
So anytime I was like, am I going too far?
I'm watching people I know block the Golden Gate Bridge
or bought the Baby Bridge, I'm not going How am
I going to be?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
I don't know if this is too far to wear
this shirt?

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Yeah, and I got like Cat Brooks, Yeah, ok, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Defintely tear a project out there on the on the
Bay Bridge. Yeah, traffic. How can I be like I think?

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Being in the Bay, I got to see what real
you know, meeting being friends with Erica Huggins Black Panther,
having her tell me I had told her a story
time about my kid having a problem at school, and
she pulled me aside.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
If your child needs.

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
And you just feel like, when I'm surrounded by all
this actual activism and love and realness, what am I
doing if I'm afraid to post something on Instagram?

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's anytime I get afraid to do something,
the ghost of Harry tub Me shows up, like, what
are you afraid of? You afraid of?

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
You're afraid of people canceling you. So I really do
keep a lot of perspective. And I know that this
is how my mom raised me, not that she meant
she sometimes she was like, you don't have to do
all this, but.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
I'm like, you did it, You did it, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:02:15):
But it is like the black baton, Like every generation
of black folks, we have to pass the baton down
to the next station generation, and the goal is that
the baton is lighter. And that has been true. I
would say through every generation. The moment from from enslavedment
throughout there was ever we got a little bit more,
we got a little bit more. I think we're in
danger of having the first generation. But I give it

(01:02:36):
to my three daughters. I'm like, I'm sorry, it's so heavy,
you know. So I think that that's what keeps me
with my three daughters at home. I live with my
eighty eight year old mom and my three daughters between
all of them, and my wife is there too. But like,
but I just sort of feel like I have to
do this because my mom did it and as an
example to these three girls. So I mean, I wish
I didn't care so much.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
We say that all the time I wish, I wish
I wasn't, so just.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Just walk on. Sometimes I'm like, let me get one
of those jobs, take the good jobs, pay me a
nice amount of money, let me travel around and space
commercial and not and not know that all this stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
And so I feel like y'all are doing more than me.
So I can't complain what we're all.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Doing in our different respective areas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
You do it so important.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
We just want to see that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
We appreciate that, you know, it's it's it's invigorate just
to watch somebody who has the level of consciousness that
you have, the level of funniness that you have, with
the level of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Just accountability to black people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
And that's you don't really find that a lot of
people who have the level of intelligence they scared. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
You know what happens because.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
If you start to get into those rooms where those
white people are, it's not that you aren't black anymore.
And I'm not trying to talk about particularly, but you
start to have more in common economically with them, and
you start to you start to be around them more
than you around the people from the from wherever, Yeah,
and you start to you start to think, well, I
can't say this. I can't say this about Israel because

(01:04:06):
these people around me don't say that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
I gotta we're working on absolutely as in Oakland, yes.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
Not around So it's I'm walking down the street and
you know, and Ryan Google is still in oak right right,
and I'm so I'm I'm at the farmer's market and
people coming up to me. So I just buy the
sake of like I want to still live here and
be able to leave my house.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Yeah, and keep my head up. I gotta do well
before you go.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
Pastor Mike McBride, we didn't get a chance to talk
about that. I mean, he's such an influence, a great
influence in my life. I know my son the same.
This is one of the most authentic leaders in the world.
Pastor McBride is so real and he feels so much,
so deeply for the community and for his people, like
he is like ready to go to war about his people,

(01:04:56):
and we love him so much and try to protect
him all that we can talk about him influence in
your life as a closing piece here, what does he
mean to you? It is his birthday as well y
his birthday.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
No, it's so when I moved back to the Bay.

Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
I was in New York for two years working on
TV show called Totally Biased, and as soon as the
show got canceled, we moved back to moved back to
the Bay. My wife was pregnant, and I had started
a podcast called Political Reactive about and so at one
point during Ferguson, I was like, is there somebody I
can talk to?

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
It was in like one of those you right in
this group activists.

Speaker 6 (01:05:29):
Email chat probably, and I was like, is this one
here who can talk about Ferguson? And I think Rosa
Clemente was like pastor Mike, and so he just showed
up at this podcast report.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
He didn't ask what who when?

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Why?

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
What could?

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Who are you? He just showed up. And from that
point forward I was like this and we and he
lived in the Bay, Like right, his church is on
the court of my house.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
I have been as tied to him as I can
be since, and I feel like it's the least I
can do if he wants to collaborative post being the
thing off for Live Free that is saying calling the
uh it's Worganza genocide and I'm like, oh, all right,
you know what I mean. And sometimes like man, you
got me a lot of trouble. It's like, and then
one time he posted something that didn't collaborate, but I

(01:06:10):
was like, no, no, no, I need it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
At least I can do it. So he is my
moral compass.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
He's my friend, he's my ride along, and he is
and I feel like all I can do is hope
my light is brightened up, that it makes your work easier.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
And makes your load.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
He loves you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
I love He's why I'm here right now. It's like,
I need to come to CBC. I was like, well,
I don't know. It's between. I got a couple of
things I need. Okay, okay. It was my wife too.
I was like, past, She's like, all right, that's my
one friend. She's not worried about she's home with the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Three girls doing what we do as black women with
our husbands and our partners are out there. Oh she's
not a black woman.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
I don't want to get mad at you for not saying, well, but.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Guess what she's she can come to the cookout. Come
to the cookout, all right, mama. Mama is home taking
care business. Thank you so much, car Bell for being
with us today on the TMI show we appreciate you,
we love you. We pray the blood of Jesus over
your life that you be safe everywhere you go. That's right.

(01:07:17):
You ready to get him on so he can wear
it and get me in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
Give me in trouble. Thank you, appreciate thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
We still have a few minutes. We still have a
few minutes to talk about what has been happening. So
what's been the highlight of your experience here at the
Congressional Black parkice A l C, which is the the
annual legislative Conference. So this is not just any old conference.
This is where policy meets the people. This is where

(01:07:56):
the congressional members are coming to Black Congressional members are
coming to tell the community what they're working on and
also to hear feedback from the community so that they
can really just imagine what policy is needed and how
we come together to fight for real change.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I think for me, just just the whole energy here
right Like when you walked in here, I felt like
this a couple of times. I don't even want to
talk about the last time because it pissed me off
when I think about it. But I felt like there's
a couple of times to where I'm watching black people
and even though there's an urgency, there's still this level
of togetherness here, right, And I think people a lot

(01:08:36):
of people the conversations that we're having is people know
that there's an urgency, right, So there are rooms where
those urgency conversations are happening. But there's also black unity,
there's black love, there's black joy. It's a cumbination of
all of those things. So it's so many different things.
Just watching how you know, you are selling your books
here at your booth and watching people come there, just

(01:08:57):
acknowledge the work that you've done and what you meant
to this movement. Just seeing people come and purchase that book,
and just seeing our brother. We just seen our brother
Ben Crump come here, like we seeing so many different people.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Congresswoman evet Kluk just her energy, really, it's just energy.
I'll watched her change her outfits five times yesterday. But
she was talking powerful, what she was fed, she was
talking powerful, you know. And so when you see a
woman like that that, you know it's ten toes down
for our people in that position, you know that we're

(01:09:29):
moving in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
And she also you know, I have to give a
major not so much shout out, because she only did
what she was supposed to do. But in a time
where courage cannot be found everywhere as it should be,
we have to acknowledge that she was able to hold
her carcass together for the most part. There were only
four black congress people who voted or to pass the

(01:09:55):
resolution to honor someone whose name I will not even
say on this show. But in the name of political violence,
they have allowed violence against our in the name of
challenging political violence, which should be done. They have allowed
violence against black people and black women to be buried

(01:10:17):
in that in this new resolution. And she was able
to hold her caucus together again primarily to get folks
to vote no, not present, which means that they get
to kind of play the game that well, I'm here,
but I have some issues. No, these black folks said no,
they rejected it. I have no idea why how came

(01:10:39):
Jeffreys and Congressman Greg Meeks with dare the other two.
I don't really know them that well, but I have
no idea why two people from New York, one from Queens,
one from Brooklyn would dare to sign a resolution to
put their name on a historic document that will go
until the end of the time, celebrating a man who

(01:11:03):
was disrespectful and in fact, as I said in my judgment,
violent towards our community with his words. I think that
a resolution on political violence ending political violence absolutely needs
to happen. It needs to be called out, it needs
to be challenged. We know political violence is a danger
to all of us, even those of us who are

(01:11:24):
sitting here right now exactly so that should have happened.
But to exalt this man and to have black folks
sign on that, to me, it is the most It
is a disrespect, It's a slap in the face. And
I can't wait to bump into one of them in
the halls, which I probably won't, to ask the question,
how could you ever ever do that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Hurt me?

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
It hurt me, Yeah, you hurt me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
You know, I'm not so surprised anymore, like I've been
hurt so many times by people. And it's sad because
we're losing the energy of our youth. Our youth are
looking at saying that you people are not rageous. So
I don't know how you look in your own child's
face after you made a resolution like that. I don't
know how you look into your wife's face. I don't
understand how you do that and not feel like a cat. Well,

(01:12:11):
but that's just me, you know. And we don't understand
that because we don't come from that cloth, like I
tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
To, let you know what, neither do they. So I,
you know, Haqeen Jeffries, Congressman. Congressman Jeffries does not come
from that claw. His family is a family that study
paying Africanism, they teach it. And I don't know where
that came from. And also the same with Congressman Greg Meeks.

(01:12:37):
And so I don't accept that. And I and you know,
I try my best not to be out here caught
in the division of our people because I know how
hard it is to hold the line on behalf of
black folks. But it has to be said that what
took place in terms of that resolution is the biggest
disrespect to our people. And I cannot be me and

(01:12:57):
be committed to our people and not speak on that.
Sol thank y'all so much for coming to the TMI show,
Cama Bell, Peez.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
I hope you guys enjoyed that Camara Bell interview, because
we love him. He's an amazing, amazing guy. Yeah, it's
really not much you can say. He just has the
it factor, you know, he has it, love it, I love.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I appreciate that brother. He's courageous.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
That's very couragious.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
People like him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
And unfortunately, while he's doing very well, very well, you know,
because of the stances that he takes in this world,
he probably will never be you know, or at least
until the world changes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Drastically, he won't be like you know, I don't know whoever.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
I guess Steve Harvey would be a good example of
a person who has the super duper wealth. And while
Steve does speak out sometimes, Steve ain't out here being
Cama Bell, you know what I mean, That's just not
what it is. And some people, you know, really probably
want to do more.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Maybe Steve does.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
I don't know, we'd have that conversation, but I'm just saying,
but they don't feel they can because they know that
that targeting is no joke, you know, you're serious. So
for him to be the type of person that stands
on his political business and that takes the time to
even care enough to research the issues and nobody's talking.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
About and we've got to get on stacked. We need
to get on a substack, substack, substanct that's what we
got to because we need to be to give something
and people got to pay the company. No, you don't shot,
don't listen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
I'm coming to substance.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Well, I want to see our words out. You let
me know when you get your first check.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
And let you hold That brings me to my I
don't get it for today.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
You don't get it, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
I've been just studying mass shootings because you know, there's
been so many mass shootings. There's been mass killings that
the people walked into the church, drove into the church,
kill people there. There's been you know that even on
the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated, there was a
mass like and I looked it up and they said
it's been over about three hundred and fifty something mass

(01:15:05):
shootings this year and this year is not even over.
So that means it's not one every day, is more
than one everything.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yeah, and that that's that's just all like it's unreal,
Like it's just in our communities.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Some of that is being counted as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yeah it is, but it's just it's just overwhelming.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
And I'm saying to myself, what I don't get is,
if we know that there are guns being used to
kill people at this rate, why aren't we legislating guns.
Why aren't they putting trackers on it. There's so many
ways to be able to stop these things from happening,

(01:15:49):
and I just don't understand why.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
They are so resistant. Well, like, what is the thing
that that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Guns are doing that have you saying, Okay, you know what,
we can't legislate them, We can't put restrictions.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
We can't say they have that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
They're gonna say they haven't and it's not strong enough, absolutely,
but that's what they're gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Oh no, we do have that they don't like every
day like they are. Gun look like you you should
work in a walmart like you should. There's no way
that someone's mental health should not be evaluated before they
are sold assault rifles, Like, there's no way. There's no
way that you're telling me that you your common sense

(01:16:33):
that says, Okay, this is a bunch of people just
getting killed randomly and these guns ending up in the
hands of people that definitely are not mentally strong enough or.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Capable to have guns.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
So what we should be doing moving forward is as
we make guns, there should be trackings on guns. Right
as we make guns, people that are able to get
these certain guns have to go to through mental evaluation.
They have to be qualified like anybody not be able
to get any gun. It just doesn't make sense to me,
and I just keep trying to figure out why, Like

(01:17:06):
what is America so scared of that they don't want
to have comprehensive safe gun laws.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Can I say two things on this.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
The first thing is that I thought, because these people
are so quick, the part of the problem is that
they don't even care to figure it out. Right, they
don't even care enough to try to figure out at
least at least under the Biden administration, they literally had
task force where they were trying to and it was
also under the Obama administration. I know that because I

(01:17:40):
was served on a task force with Joe Biden, and
the whole purpose of it was to try to figure
out like grouping these people mental health, this issue, that issue,
trying to figure out why are these things happening?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Poverty.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
They were really trying to map out what the escalating
problems are to try to make sure the power policy
matched it to address these things. Right now, this administration,
all they want to do is call every single shooting
mass shooting political violence, political violence because they don't really

(01:18:13):
care what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
The issues are.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
I saw in a recent shooting with the police, and
I mean in the church. I think, you know, I
was believing, just based upon watching sort of the commentary,
that this was a like a person who was politically
motivated on one side of the other. Come to find
out the person was over there mad about a relationship

(01:18:37):
with somebody they got.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
You know, it was like some personal relationship problems.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Do you need to hear that? Because the first thing
that they try to do is jump to whatever they
think fits their political narratives, and it's just sad. But
the second thing is that these people are you know,
they are in a war. They are building a mass

(01:19:02):
machine for defense or war.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
That's what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
So they don't want to overly legislate because they know
that a large portion of people who have the issues
that will not be able to pass this strict background
check that you're talking about look like people they need
to be armed, Yes, the NRA, they want them to

(01:19:34):
be comfortable to be armed. And that's why you have
a lot of black people who are like, yeah, let
me go get me a weapon, because I need to
be in a position to respond, you know what I'm
saying to whatever may come my way. I'm not a
person that doesn't believe that people should have guns. That's
not me. I know that folks don't like that in
the movement. I've had people be very upset with me

(01:19:55):
and say, no, we don't need guns. We need to
ban all weapons except for law enforcement and some other,
you know, special services. I'm not one of those people.
I don't believe that we should.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
Uh uh.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
I'm with what's her name, Kamla Harris. If you come
to my house, yeah, you're gonna find out something that too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
But I just feel like that there can be ways
that we could just save like.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
They know it is. But I hope that you're not
asking this question because you really don't know. I hope
it's rhetorical that you aren't mean.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
I don't listen. I know, but I don't understand the minds.
It's like everything. It's like when you when you when
you watch evil move when you're watch an evil move
around you, you identify as evil and you know why
they're doing it because it's evil and that's the nature
of it. But you don't have that nature. So like
you can identify it, but you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
You can't relate. There's no relate, no relation to me.
Because it's like, yo, this is really simple.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Like when we talk about them sending the National Guard
into communities, why not send the resources needed into the communities.
Why not make sure that you have facilities and the
proper schooling for the kids, and you got you know,
after school programs, and you got the necessary things, and
you got job readiness programs and skill sets and things

(01:21:15):
that that are necessary that you look in every thriving community.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
It's present likes. It's when you look at the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Correlation between the crime written communities, right, I mean the difference,
not the correlation. When you look at the difference in
crime written communities and the ones that lack crime and
there's no violence, and there's no it's not limited.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Limit, very limited. It's not police.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Right, But when you look at the where there's where
there's no crime at it's not a lot of police,
but there's a lot of resources. There's no fool deserts right,
the kids are educated, properly, educable, exactly, culturally compet Like
when you when you see black people thriving in communities

(01:22:00):
with the all thriving, there's no violence, it's not because
So it goes to show you that it's not because
innate nature black people. If I know, when you take
out the circumstances that create violence, then you take out
the violence. And when you when you insert resources and
all the things that make a community healthy, you see

(01:22:20):
no violence.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
So why is I wouldn't say you see no violence,
I see violence.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
I mean there's a there's a you know, there's the
balance of the world exactly. It's negative and positive. So
there's gonna be negative. There's always gonna still.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Gonna have a robbery too. You're still gonna have.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
The domestic violence, Yeah, because you deal.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
You're gonna have domestic violence no matter whether people have
money or not. So when you're talking about you're talking
about like blatant shootings and things that we see that
we engage with all the time. And I agree with
you one hundred percent on that, but I do want
to make sure that we make it clear, like you said,
you need real healthy community of these in order to

(01:23:01):
eliminate all violence, which is what we want to see
happen in our world, that people never even feel the
need to pick up a gun or a fist or anything,
and that folks are able to use their intellect as
a way to or de escalation skills as a way
to walk away. But I do think that these folks

(01:23:22):
don't want that. That's not the society that they want.
They don't want themselves to be violently attacked. But they
okay with other people because they set it or they
set you up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Every day. They literally say things like, you know, the
president says, knock them on the head. You know, you
put them in a car, don't be nice, bang them
on the head. Like he incites violence. He incited an
insurrection on Jais.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
He's literally talking about the National Guard going into communities
and being more violent.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Yeah, he's saying, don't be not don't don't don't be
kind And if you feel like you're attacked, you have
the right to do anything you want, not find the
escalation tools, not any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
So you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
But like I said, that's not the world that they're
looking for. So if I get you, you said you
can't relate, and I think that's the right way to
say it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
And with that said, we've come to the end of
another episode of TMI. Thank you for supporting us. Shout
out to our guest Camar Bell, who was on our show.
Amazing guy. Make sure you follow him, He's funny as hell.
Follow us on Instagram at TMI Underscore Show. Follow us

(01:24:34):
on YouTube at TMI Show PC. I'm not gonna always
be right, Tamika d. Marriage is not gonna always be wrong,
but we'll both always and I mean always, be off
that

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Slute.

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