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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, y'all? What's going on? We're back for another
episode of to the Baja. I got my main man,
Theo Pinson in the building, switching the camera angles Curt
sleeping at the wheel, and uh yeah, man, it's gonna
be a good show. We'relready here.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
We're already here.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Shout out to the mighty ducks. Quack quack. Where is Kurt?
He's okay, okay, he was sleeping at the wheel.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
God damn. Talk to the higher up.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Talk to the higher higher ups, talk to the higher up.
And obviously we got Raymond Felton in the building.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Clearly main man.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, yeah, the main mandot.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Intro bro hold hold right, hold on, sleep at the wheel,
you sleep on, keeping on the mic. We got the
national champion fourteen year NBA VET, one of the greatest
to ever do it, the Tar Hill Jersey. Know what I'm saying.
There's the number two. There's a Raymond Felton, nixt legend.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
And then we got Raptors legend. No, no, no, you a
legend in Toronto. You know that we love you there,
but but they still love you though. You know that
whenever you go back they love you second floor legend
with the lemontied Charlie B.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
What's up my boy?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
All right, guys, I had to start off the show
after obviously the intros with apologizing to Charlie I own
an apology. He did not say Kevin Durant was not
top three, top top ten. He said he's not top three,
which I still disagree with him. So here's your bread,
my boy money.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
My money is in singles. I gotta changes singles. You
didn't ask her singles.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Say that, damn bro, was because I'm Asian counterfeit money.
That is crazy, by the way, that is crazy starting already.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
He's started already, bad HR department. I'm sorry, dang, bro,
don't get this.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Guy's already gotta get us canceled and ship I'm just joking,
but yeah, man, no, I apologize for that. We got
our debts cleared. A. J. Jackson still owe me some bread.
I'm not gonna lie to you calling J Jackson.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
It's been almost a year, bro, young boys, man, I'm
young boys from the Tar hill Man. I don't know, man,
it's been like a year brood.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
All right, well, listen, we just got some news from
Kurt I haven't even seen it yet. Breaking news Lebron
may play another year in a different league. What y'all
think about that? Is reported by Windhorse. I think we
know whind neither guy he said. I don't know what
he kind of aired the mot.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm saying, bro, if you're gonna get seven hundred million dollars,
is gonna play for a year.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
No, No, that's what they said, though.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I'm just saying that's what they're gonna give him. He
don't get a billion. Bad, He's gonna get a billion.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
To go play with. That's if he gooates in Saudi.
I don't know. If it's Saudi he's gonna be playing.
He might go play in his own league him.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
That league they trying to start Overseas that they've been
talking about.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh, then he's going to boost it's they're gonna get
a lot.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
It's gonna take a lot for him to play, but.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
He has he probably owns the leg. It's not the same.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Yeah, we gotta pay well.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I don't think whatever some of them other investors is
gonna come out of their pocket for him to get
on their court.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
He'll be the face, but I don't think he'll play.
He hears forty one, forty two years old. At this time,
he saying it just me and you here will Yeah.
So by the time he goes over, he be forty two,
forty three.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Stop it you do?

Speaker 5 (03:46):
This is last year?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah? Now I think him see he gonna go out together.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Are they gonna do a fair world a farewell tour? No, Man,
I don't think they will. I don't think they gonna.
What do you mean, because they ain't putting it out
there that.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Why would you would you want to share your farewell
to her with someone else?

Speaker 5 (04:06):
No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, but what they
do wing is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Didn't see he said this is his last year. That's
what he didn't say that assuming that he assuming that
this is last year. But I believe it's probably gonna
be last year. But my thing is about the whole situation,
bron It they don't need a farewell tour a because

(04:30):
the Lakers are good, so like it ain't gonna be.
You gotta think Kobe's farewell to the Lakers sucked. They
weren't a good team. So they were just like, Okay,
we can we can do this. D Wade's Miami wasn't
that good? They could do it? Bro.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I was a part of that d way last game
in Brooklyn. It was a pickup game. It was literally
a pick It was nothing. It didn't mean anything, but
it was It was cool though. It was definitely cool
to be a part.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I know you said mellow and Bron, would I mean
mellow Bro Bron.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
All the motherfuckers there had a party after the game.
It was a great time, great time. I heard all
the other other ship for another.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
So, y'all, just so everybody knows the play for CB three,
So I'm gonna take his inside information as he knows.
So I'm gonna say it's his last season.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Say that too. I'm gonna say say that as well.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
It's kind of crazy because you guys came in together
and uh.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
He's the only one left to night draft, right yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's twenty years, right, twenty one. I think it's twenty one.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
It would be twenty one years.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
The only thing that might give twenty.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Years deal was just a baby used to in diapers.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Right, Yeah, that's a wild bro.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
I'm like ten hold you, I mean about to be thirty.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Baby, Bro.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
He was born You're born ninety five, right, so you were.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Ten years older you Yeah, No, what's crazy though? Chris
not gonna play as much this year, so he could
add one more if he wanted to.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I mean, he definitely could, But does he want to?
That's a different conversation, bro.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
The way Chris loved basketball questions question.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Is he starting? James serviceable James Harden? You mean he's
not starting.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
He knows he's not starting over there too, he knows
out of the way to.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
I thought he said he wanted to start. Now he
knows he's not starting. There'd be some games he don't play.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Really, he's right, right, When can you not use Chris Paul?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Because you gotta understand Chris Dunn is good.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
He is.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
He is somebody that you can't It's hard to keep
him off the floor.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Defensively, did you bring back did they bring back her Starn?

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
You might be right, but there'd be some nights he
don't play. Chris dunt guard's guards to was right.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
I bet you got everybody you play.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Chris done off the ball, That's what I'm saying for sure.
I mean, like I said, I like CP running that
second group, But you got to think about the team
they got. They got a lot of guys they do.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
Got a lot of guys, a lot of guys that
kind of play position too.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
They got dog Go Chris, they got James Harden, Button,
bad Bill, Bogdanovich, a mirror, they got.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Uh is a mere coffee song team.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
No, he's gone.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Are you starting brad with with? So? Who's starting with Kaw?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
No, it'll be Uh. I think it'll be James. I
think it's probably Bogie.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
No, they'll start Brad over Boge. What's the dog on?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I don't know, man, y'all think Bogie. I think Bogie
fits that lineup better. Bogie can play spots the row.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I think Bradley Bill is gonna want to come off
the bench again.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
He definitely come I think.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I don't know. That's the definitive advance.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Anybody could do it. You can do t LU. Can
you figure that out?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah? He can get that across to him. That look
you better coming off the bench with CP. You know
what I'm saying, Because he gonna get you the rock.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
See, he gonna get in on the rock, gonna be
looking at score like that so you can go do
your thing. You could be that six man. I think
they sell it to him like that, and I agree
with you. I think Bogie Bogie should start with that group.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I just I just think you let Brad Rock up.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
James hard Rock, Unites, Junior, Chris Donne.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
They've got a lot of boge uh that.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Jordan Miller, brook Low, pazz A Colin, he coming off
the bench. John Collins on, I like he ain't starting
with Tonbach. Paddy Mills put the meals on the damn.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
We're not gonna dive into too much. We all go
for the Western Conference right now.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Clippers, Clippers, A lot of you you got, I got
Dever coming back this year.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I got bro Denver spent. Just put this in perspective.
They took M p J salary, turning to Cam Johnson,
who had identical stats, which I think is a better
Bruce Brown and Valentunas.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
They got everybody battle. They got everybody back that they
needed when they won. Yep.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
And Bruce Brown was not the same when he left.
They must be trying to put Bruce head point guard again.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
That he did. He was just scrappy. He didn't need
a job.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
Point guard. They gotta stop running into the ground.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Are you're talking about the second unit? Yea, But I
mean on the on the first unit, you don't need
a point guard. Point I mean, if you call Stephan
point guard, Jamal moris No. But I'm saying if you
if you class why Steph a point guard then not
a point guard than Jamal Murray's not a point guard.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Jamal Murray is more of a point guard. Is John
Morandom point guard?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah? John Ran the point guard for sure, John Jo
and Jamal Murray can't.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
No, you can't. Very talented, That's what, Like I.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Said, They know I don't rock with Jamal?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Hill that Toronto. What's going on with you in Canada?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Man?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, No, no, because because they tried, bro, everybody thinks
Jamal Murray is like Steph Curran Canada and it just
balls my mind. They're saying a lot of people tell
me he's a top fifteen player last year in the league,
but he's Canada is I don't, But damn is he
a top fifteen player in the NBA?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
No, can't.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
But it's a country.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
You're gonna think about it. The country he is top
one of the top players he's.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
One of the he's a top He's a top fifty
player in the every he might be top three. But
I can't have arguments with you when you're telling me
that Jamal Murray is better than Anthony.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Edwards who who said that?

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I'm having arguments with Canadians like this. That's why I can't.
That's why don't.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
They just doing it? Because he's I've been watching snow
no way, That's.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
What I'm trying to say to y'all. Bro I was,
I'm just like, I'm dumb it, bro, like I'm pushing
him in the narrative on what he actually is. He's
a top fifty player, he's not top He's not even
top twenty five. That's the reality of it. You guys
gonna tell me he's top twenty five.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
You're trying to just throw some ship right now.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
You also gonna tell me that though.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I don't think he's to all right, that's it.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
He's a great player, but he ain't talk twenty five
A hot take, though it is a hot take. On
who the people I speak.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
To, he's very good. Who do you we need talking eighties?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Your homies, your homies, the hip hop guys Jamal Murray
is a very good player, a very good player. I'm
not gonna say that he's not a good player. But anyways,
speaking about the best all.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Time, make a wish.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Eleven eleven, make a wish, y'all, make a wish. We
got the best NBA duels of all time. But before
we get into that, we got to classify for one player,
who is Bron's best partner? Like, if you have to
classify him only in one duo, who are you picking?
Picking d Wade kai or eighty.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
That's tough. It's it's tough, but.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
I mean, he got the most championships with d Wade right,
the most, but it's also a better team.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
But was d Wade and don't disrespect the d Wade
and they won the second one. He wasn't the same
d Wade that we remember in six to nine oh ten,
of course because Lebron was on the team.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
No, just so everybody got to take a step back.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
But he didn't look the same either.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
You could tell the injuries in twenty thirteen, you kind
of tell things were piling up, injuries and stuff like that.
He didn't play as much. It was as dominant as
you normally it.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Was I'm going to say, Kyrie, Bro. You know I'm
a big Kyrie. It's gonna be between Kyrie and and
d Wade for me.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
So you don't count that, uh COVID Championship.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I counted, don't get me wrong. And I ain't got
nothing against a D. I love a D. But it's
either of them. It's one of the two. If I
had to choose, I'm rocking with you, Ka, I'm going
with car.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
I go with Kay.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Okay, we agreed upon something. Okay, what you got.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
And this is my reason. My reasoning is Davids.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
I'll tell you they had four years, and I think
if they don't get hurt, they probably win at least two.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think they get that one
in twenty fifteen. It sucks to say a Golden State fan,
but I think they get that one in twenty.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Fifth and they get that one. I think they clearly
won the next year. And I just like I said
them to a Dynamic Dynamics.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Fuck.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
The waye Hall of Famer, no doubt about it. It's
like who was scarier, you know, scary monstitute were against
him against the way I'm talking about the Wade then

(13:52):
the first two years in Miami.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yes, but Hong is right.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
That d way toward the lighter ended to the back
half of that he was slowing down. You have more injuries,
he had more stuff going on where it wasn't the
same were talking about. At that time when they were together,
Brin and Kyrie were fucking elite.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
So let me chime in on this, the reason.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Kevin and Stiff had to fucking be together to beat them.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
So here's what I would say to you guys, right, Yes,
if you're talking about Kyrie, I think Kyrie in twenty
sixteen he cooked Dre, Steph Clay, Iggy, Sean Livingston. Other
than Steth, those all good defenders. So I agree with you,
But I think the version of twenty twenty Braun is
better than the version of twenty sixteen Bron because he

(14:39):
was a better shot, he added more to his game,
so I'm all adding the totality of the parts, and
eighty is a freaking monster in twenty twenty. So I
think Lebron when you say in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen
is when he was his best. I'm taking that into
factor as well. That Broun was pretty much he was
an what thirty thirty eight, thirty nine three point shooter?
He wasn't that in twenty sixteen. So I'm taking all
that federation putting putting the twenty twenty versions of Bron.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Who are you picking eighty before?

Speaker 4 (15:05):
You just had a huge sample size of a D
and Bron and they got how many chips?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
But I'm talking with twenty twenty the best.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
Dude, you're saying just that one.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
That one year is probably the peak of the duo
of I'd picked probably his best duo mate.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
That means Kawhi leonard Is should get a statue in
Toronto because that one year he was only there for
six months.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
That's year.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Okay, if you guys want, you guys want to talk
about total total package Kyrie Lebron for MEAs.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Total package going off one year, off one year, Okay,
we're still might be Kyrie and Lebron.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Motherfuckers came back from three.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah that three one ship that both had forty You
forget in Golden State. My memory so is that one
goes seventy three games, three games seventy three and nine twenty.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
So that's just without the ring. That's historical that've never
been done. Right, that's probably never been done.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I turned off my phone for a good two days.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Then what's called to do that? I didn't Golden State
do that?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Okay, see yeah three one, but not in the finals.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
Not in the final West, the Western Conference finals, tough.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Finals, remember that in that Golden State because Steph got injured.
Then he came back a lot.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
D Wade did it. That was the first time they
was down three. They were down too old. They were
down two oh those three one two oh or two
to one. They were won four straight. It's two oh, it's.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Too so he ended up being four two.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's for two yeah two oh oh damn.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I just think they were four straight. Wait, enough credit
because he's been out the league for so long. The
way d Wade was a problem, Kyrie and a d
are still in the league.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
He Wade was real for sure, but the injuries caught
up to d Wade by twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. Like
if you go back and remember, I don't bro in
two thousand and six. Problem d Wade was, they would argue.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
The best player in the league.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
He wasn't like that. After twenty ten, twenty eleven, obviously
because Broun came there, but he had minute restrictions. Twenty twelve,
twenty thirteen. I think it is right right around that time.
That's my personal opinion down a little bit. I got,
I got, I got. I'm with you, guys, I'm with Kai.
So everybody's in the greens everyone wow. All right, So

(17:33):
now let's get to the actual debate. So who's the
best duel of all time? We got Braun and Kai,
Stephen k D and we're gonna rank them after Shaq
and Kobe Magic and Kareem and then the one that
the one that Ray's mad about me is Larry Bird
and Kevin McHale, which I don't think if they belong
on this list, but we can get I'll tell you,
every single player named here is an argument for the

(17:55):
top ten other than Kyrie Irving and Kevin McHale.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And some people will put Larry Bird in the top ten,
even not us here, but a lot of people will
put Larry Bird in the top ten of all time.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Okay, so let me let me phrase that. Becau's not
top ten. Every single player mentioneer is in the top
twenty five conversations but they don't have Kevin Mchal. So
when you put them into totality, Kevin Mchal might be
a top fifty player in the league. Everybody else is
in top twenty five. I think for a lot of people,
Harry might not be. And but I don't have Brown
and Kyrie as my.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Duo best duo, best duo. There.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
There you go, you're picking against Mike. It's Kobe and Shocky.
Shack was the most dominant big doing his.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Error and Kobe is the most dominant next thing closes
to MJ to.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Me player doing his error at that time.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I'm just being honest. The best duo now, MJ, like
MJ and Scotty obviously was.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
I don't think Pippin was ever a top league. They
the best duo winners.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yes, MJ and Scotty duo winners. Them two right there,
the best duo period. I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Have Mike and I have I have shocking Kobe. But
I'm just surprised whenever talking about MJ, like stop it.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's yeah, I mean, the best player of all times
to come like he just would with anybody.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Batman's right there, bro, Yeah, m J. Scotty is Batman
and Robin.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
What was Listen, no disrespect to Kobe, And I'm asking question,
was he batman when.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
He was with Shock? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I didn't watch enough of that, so I'm.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
He hit a lot of big shots and Sho can
tell you that he made a lot of big time
plays for them. Man and him push Shack. He pushed
Shack like doing their eerror.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
When they were playing together, they were probably top three
players in the league.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Top three, I mean maybe towards the back half the
beginning he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Was he animals?

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah? At that time, yes, he was.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
When he first came in, you know, he was making
his name for himself, he still was Kobe Kobe number A.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Twenty four At that time, he was Kobe Kobe was
a problem.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Twenty four was too. I'm gonna say twenty four he
won his own that was his own identity. He won
without Shock. When he was twenty four. I was thinking
that we was gonna have more debate here, Bro.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
You know, Beach Report only has him at five. Shock
and Kobe.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
This is what they got number one.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Okay, are you ready? I'll give you the top ten.
I'm ready, I'll get the top ten. No, give me
the Top five, okay, Top five, Top five Shack and Kobe.
Four is Bob Coosey and Bill Russell.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Oh, I can't say nothing. I never said it.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Disagree with that.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
You can't say no to.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Ain't doing nothing with Shaq and Kobe.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
It's two different times. I don't that matter. These two are.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Timeless, just nother one.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Three Larry Bird and Kevin mckill.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I told you, I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying
to tell your magic.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Magic and Kareem and then Michael and Snail Magic.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Kareem not on there.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
No, it's on our list. I said that, Kareem.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
It's just I don't think you're asking the wrong people
because I ain't never seen Magice Kareem play.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
We ain't seen nobody on their list play. But the first,
the last one shacking Kobe, Well, shaking Kobe was five.
But I'm talking about MJ and scottim that's number one. Scotty.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, I ain't heard one person that can stop.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
No.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
No, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Ain't nobody like nobody, nobody that Shack, Nobody, nobody else.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
That shock right there, there's not.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
A he had a bag. He had a bag, just joking.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Does not have a bag. Lo, Ki, they didn't come
after you for that.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Though I hate that he let me. He gave me
a pass, but uh give me the fell gave me
a pass. Uh neighbors, so he gave me a path.
Uh he do got a little bag though a lie.
I wentn't back then looked at that. They've got some tape,
you know how, you know who I got to take

(22:19):
back that. I say didn't have a bag, and I
say I.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Had a little man, y'all like seven eight I had.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I had to stick to my guns, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Stopping they had the post game, he had the Postman.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
There's nobody with Kobe, you nobody.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
The only one come close may be Magic.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, no, Mike. And to come close. Oh yeah, yeah,
I mean, I mean yeah, we're talking about check. Kareem
is the closest thing game.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Kareem is the closest thing who's going and he's gonna
get cooked.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okayam is gonna get Nobody stopping that get wouldn't get
that's true.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Two thousand and one Lakers verse ninety five bulls. Oh
for winning that, I have the.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Ninety five bulls.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I still got the team is to completely. They had
enough bodies. They had enough bodies to bang with Shack.
They couldn't stop them, but they had enough bodies to
bang Wash.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And this is the way I look at it, right,
I didn't. I didn't watch enough. I don't want caught, right, Luke, Then.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Is Robin will get ejected. We'll get Shock Shack ejected.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, everybody, maybe about every day every day.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I didn't watch enough, but I watched Hardwood Classics. When
you put out Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan's and Ron Harper,
they can switch everything. Six five elite defenders. That's the
issue for any team. I don't know what team you are.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Don't forget that was a different.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
They're all elite defenders six and taller.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
And that problem is elite defender as well, the best defenders.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Like I said, what I'm saying, So yeah, I'll give
it to the Bulls because outside of Kobe and Shock
on that team, the Fish.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I'm not gonna lie to y'all. I have my Warriors,
of my seventeen Warriors over both teams. Though same you
said what the seventeen Wars, you would say thirteen Wars
over both who both teams. I said it clear they
shoot way too much. Reason to give a damn. They
ain't gonna be able to get to them shots. Why not?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Do you know how they played? Why not? Which?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
But you guys play and stiff off off the screens?
Which era they played? Which air they playing? It no
matter that they playing this area.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
It doesn't matter what era is, just matter their style
of play.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
By y'all tripping, y'all tripping?

Speaker 5 (24:46):
Are you telling me these teams are defenders, elite defenders.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (24:50):
I mean, uh, the Golden State Warriors are elite defenders.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
So who's gonna stop? Who's gonna stop? Chicago stop stop?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I don't say as off him. I'm saying that's what
you put on him. That's all stopping kim Hip.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, it'll make it difficult.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Make it difficult, make it different. Is not making different
Robin slab history, nobot you're talking about it. If you
put a five out system that the Bulls aren't used

(25:29):
to guarding, that's gonna be different. They don't want the
shooting is so different. The Warriors playing a system, you're
not gonna get them. And who's guarding Steph, You're not
gonna get them. Who's guarding Steph m J?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Stuff?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, I guess I mean makes.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
And who's gonna guard m J?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Don't team effort, effort, whatever effort.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It was a lot of team efforts. What he do
to guy?

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I'm listening, I'm sticking on what I in the Warriors one.
That's just the Warriors, fam.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I just I just like it. I think I go home. Honestly,
you going home too young. I don't know if they
make enough shots, don't make enough. They gonna get enough
stops though, because which the aint gonna get them shots off?

Speaker 5 (26:21):
They gotta make it. They gotta make a lot of shots.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
You know, they six, they six six and taller. They
can switch everything. And when they switch all them guard
Denis robintns cook and guard huh Steve curt Is playing
in that game?

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Of course, who's but he's off the bench.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Okay, So you have Bill Cartwright trying to try to
get you have Luke Longley trying to get on a stuff.
Steph curse screen.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
He's cooked, He's cooked. But they can go small and
play dinners at the five? What are you talking about?
Five minutes? Draymond Green? Like? So then what I like that? Yeah?
Here's my point. Basketballn like that.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Are problem because of Shock than the bulls. In my opinion, I.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Don't believe that. I believe that. I mean, they do
cause the problem because nobody.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Shock kill Draymond every day of the week. He'th barbecue chicken.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
No disrespecting Draymond, that's not even you don't got to
say no disrespect everybody.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well yesterday because I said Gary Payton freaking was at
the end of his career and got a ring as
shots at Gary Payton. I'm just putting out there, but this.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Would be this is just pretty much a situation where
which playing style wins.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think threes, I think I agree with that, but
I understand threes win. But they got to be able
to get him off. That's what I'm telling y'all, Like,
they're gonna get the threes off. The defense, bro, that
was a defensive ending Just so we know, we're saying
they're a defensive team with teams that couldn't shoot.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yes, that's true, too, great point, And let's also put
it on that the only the only.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Reason that Utah team could shoot. They're not stef they're not.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
We go.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Those are the three of the greatest shooters that ever played.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
They never deal with that.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
They that twenty seventeen teams won and most and stop.
They a never deal they at never deal with the
best player.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Exactly what you said that you've ever seen, You've never
seen the ninety five. That's why I am arguing, I.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Understand what you're missing is they still haven't played against
the best player that's ever won't deserve one thousand, feel me.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
That's why. That's why I'm there.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Okay, So so where do you have Where do you
have Dennis and Pippen ranked all time? Just give me
a ballpark number.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
They both top seventy five. What are talking about?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Okay, give me a ballpark thirty five for forty I
don't care. And you're facing you're facing probably nine and
ten Kevin Durant and Steph Curry. They're nine and ten
on the top list. So you got two of the
top ten.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Persons, Steph Curry.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Steph Curry and MG are nine nowhere near the same level, right,
So MJ kind.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Of makes up because he's no. One does make for
step exactly? Yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Got you have neuro Come on now, hey, you can
put Steph Curry and Katy's accolades together, it.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Might not funk with MJ's.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
So I'm gonna put you there.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'm just being honest. Can I give a woman that
though in every championship game he's never lost.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Every championship run, not a game run.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
That's that's what he meant.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
You know what I'm saying, I don't want I don't
want the people coming at you.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Hey, Yo, here's my point. Okay, here's my point.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yo. Why are we acting like the Warriors didn't have
elite defenders? To Sean Livingston is a really good defender
death line up. Yeah, that's to go Sean.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
You said Livingston he was on twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yes, bro, he was a good defender.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
He was good. But he's gonna put Sean living good
Dre's elite, He's elite.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Listen only argument.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Clay wasn't an elite defender when it was really he
was the best two way wing in the league. That's
why everybody was saying.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
He guarded, who's he going, who's he guarding at that
Bulletchie disrespect Lear and Paul George like that clinking guard.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
He was sorry, best two way two in the league.
Everybody said he was a baking guard, pipping claiking guard
Pippen for sure, who's guarding Ron Harper?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Put Steph care Nobody can guard Jordan.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
You put Stephen Ron Harper and he gonna post.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
You could put the whole game you can put.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
You put Katie on Dennis or Draymond, and then you
put one of them on Tony Cock. Coach, that's gonna.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Got up.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Coach, He's getting He's not he's getting cooked. You put Katie.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
He wasn't defender. He was a block, block shot bro.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Everybody said that was the best defense Katie has ever
played his career.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
And he's locking shot, not sliding his feet. We're not
comparing cool coach of Kevin the ring. You're not comparing
that what I said, But that match up like that,
like it?

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Okay, let's let's wait. Put k all right, let's go
down the list here.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Defend Scotty Hold.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I'm putting coach on Draymond. Scotty.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Scotty Pippen was less time right, yes or no? Scotty
Pippen was rare for his time, Yes or No? A
six nine long. Jane McDaniels is in the bill of
Scotty Scotty Pippens terms the length and athleticism. He doesn't
stop KD. Who the fuck is stopping kat.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
He's not fucking Scotty is not the point.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Around with KD. No, he cannot down.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
But this is prime.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Kt is the best fucking all time.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
This is why I say it's difficult to beat that
twenty seventeen team. It is because they don't have to
play one on one. That's what made them so special.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
You moved that ball, you put a team in rotations,
and you got cool coach rotating the fucking staff for
Kevin Durant. That's why they were so dangerous because like
I did in podcasts with Boogie Cousins, guess what that
nigga said, There is a luxury he got. He got
the ball on a short roll, you know, not the
right rotations and give Clay Steph Kevin Durant are pointed.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
At each other and you gotta make a decision. That's tough,
That is tough. But guess what, heyt.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
You think he won't go make adjustments?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
There's justin for KD. Just like Michael which everything what
you gonna everything? Why did Why did the whole NBA cry?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Aba?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
House the cheek hold when Kevin Durant went there.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
The reason they were beatable is because if nobody that everything,
because then now you switch and you got somebody that's
a liability. They wouldn't They didn't have no liability. They
could have a lineup where you can have Horse Grant
Dennis team.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
He was so are we saying, are we saying the
first the best teams ever are bulls and we.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Gotta throw the heat team.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm the Bulls.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Even though Golden State has a better record, they.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Did have a better record.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
They won sixty seven games that year, sixty seven to fifteen.
Let me throw this in there, Okay, yes, yeah, y'all.
Y'all say that they can guard Steph them singularly, What
are you doing with a Steph and Kevin Durant pick.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
And roll switch?

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Which you want.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
One heart, Katie, that's fucking barbecue chicken.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Okay, But he was an elite defender too.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
He's six six sixty seven and Kd's seven foot tall. Okay, Okay,
it's the same thing with Michael. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Like you guys are acting like they could just stop.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
The war and listen, don't say about Michael because if
you sit here, think Michael Jordan competitive. Michael Jordan would
guard a ship out of KD guys and he was
a defender elite.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Now na'st elite. Okay, I got one? How many on
that Golden State team? How many uh leg good defenders
were on that team? As far as as far as
making all defensive teams?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Probably Clay one and Dre.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
But that have made it, that have made one. And
I can tell you the Bulls m J and Pippin
was always on that list.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Did Clay make it one?

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I think they didn't make it.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
One know Draymond, we know that obviously. I know Jymn
made it, But I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Know Clay has an all team second defense?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Two?

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Let me have one. We know Dre has one, and
now compared to the Bulls.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Are we gonna yes he has one for sure?

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Are we gonna?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Are we gonna say that if he doesn't have when
he's an elite defender, I'm not gonna say you got
a first team of second team first defense?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Three?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Okay, look at m J, look at Scotty. Let me
see we know them three got one. They were probably
the first team.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Let me just check.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I'm just checking the rosters, checking around heart.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Listen, it's a good debate.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
This is a tough one.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Ron Arpert don't have one, you can believe.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Okay, how about Pip, Well, we know they have them.
M J.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
We know he has one, and Dennis is three to three.
And then you have really good defenders like KD, like Sean,
like Ron.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
He was saying, Yo, you are big. You get paid
by the Golden State.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
They were I told you I would say.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
I want to say, I say capable, thank you.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
He's a.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Listen, Hen isn't a guy. You can just attack them,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Who The only person you can attack on the war
is Steph, and you can attack who coach. They both
have one big weakness.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Steve Kirk can't play.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
You can shoot.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
They can't play on that.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
He's a he's a shooter. Steph can't play the whole game.
So yeah, he's playing. Is Paxson still on this team?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
He was the earlier team.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
If pass or not? I like current coming off the bench. Ok,
let's let's keep curve with living. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
That's cool, And I ain't never seen Sean livingson miss
a goddamn mid range in my life I have. But
he's automatic. He's automatic, though you know he he's dropping
twelve on him every single every single game. Automatic. Give
him seven shots, he's making five of them. Again, fouled,
he's got. But that's off the bench.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's off.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Then that's how you know?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I know.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Come on, bro, get out of here. But I'm going
with Worris. You can't change my mind, and that's cool.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'm not trying to freedom of speech, that's but you're wrong.
Freedom of speech. Too soon, Charlie, too soon, too soon?
My fault.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
All right, So let's write them quickly.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I can't. I can't.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Let's right, the best dudes, who you got? You so
we all have shocked.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Everyone just want to.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
Argue, Well, we got shacking, Kobe Wan and Michae and
m J two.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
You got Michael m J two. I thought like you said,
magic and Kareem.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I got magic, Magic, Kareem. No key, we're not giving
them enough. We're not really giving them because we haven't
seen them. Kareem, he's just number two, top scoring in
the league.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Time.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Let's not forget about that.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Magic. Magic can arguably be one of the best point
guards to ever play the game. Six nine you feel me.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
You know what's fucked up. It's because of like it
gotta probably be Magic and no it's got to be. No,
it can't be.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
You said it got to me. No it doesn't because
it's Pipping in the same ram as Magic. You're right,
it's pipping in the same ram as Kareem. But I
be up there there, But it's Kobe in the same
But we have it's shot.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yes, that's what they're one.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
And then that was my argument with the Larry Bird
and Micheale I have. It's a good point if you
if you're putting m j by that logic stuff, kat
to my list is Shack and Coleby. No, this is
my list, Shack and co James, Pipp, Shack, Katie and
then Steph and then Kareem and Magic.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
That was my list, Bro.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Magic is a better point guarded step.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
But we're not talking about pointers. We're talking about players.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
We're talking about duos.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, duels, but you're putting a position on him. Were
talking about duo.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
B I'm talking about Steff and KD is not playing again,
they're not doing nothing over because this is why I can't.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
You guys are right, because Cream is a top five
player for everybody, and I agree with that. He's a
top five player, and Magic's top ten. Neither Steph or
KT are top five. So based on that, it's Magic
dream then Stephan Okay, yeah, I have to think it
out to think it out. But I got Stephan. I
got Stephan.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I know he had to think it out. He made
this list. That's a good point. A good point. That's crazy.
I try to put Stephan k d over for meer.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Third for me?

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Who's third?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Stephen Katy, I don't.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
I haven't heard Larry Bird and McHale. That is not
gonna just put him in there.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
That's why I said it wasn't disrespectful. They called me disrespectful, bro, Then.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
They should be up there rolling top three.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
No, they are in the top five or top ten.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
So he said I was disrespectful to.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Think about some of these other ones. They are my
top ten though they made the top ten. All right,
so give me your give me this trouund no, just
the list. So we got so you got Shack and
Koby for a second. I like Magic, Kareem Seck Okay,
who do you got next?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
You got m J and Pippen or m J, Pip, Stephen,
Katy or bronk Okay, would that's my Bron's last for
you on the five?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Brown and Kai? No? They you have?

Speaker 5 (39:59):
You have Shack, they have I got Stephen KD.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
That's diabolical.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Yeah, I would do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
You're doing the same thing. Kai is not even the
top twenty five for a lot of people based on
your logic.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
This is what I'm saying. The reason I put Stephen
KD last, they're up there. The reason I put them
last is because one person's gone from their nucleus. They're fucked,
but the whole team is fucked. We saw it Toronto.
Oh my god. One person was gone the whole team.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
It was the one person. It was the person.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Okay, okay, are y'all telling me? Are y'all telling me
that if MJ was gone, the Bulls. Bulls are still
winning the championships you just named.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
So that's what That's why I said they went to
the championship. That's what I'm saying. Kyrie and Broun. Kyrie
was injured in the first game of the champions.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
They completely I'm just saying it's over them because.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Broun See makes up all that.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
No, when when when when the two Who's.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
Better Kevin ther Lebron run better stuff?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Kyrie is better?

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Is it by a lance and the team and the team?
Is it by a team? Ask Bac Yes, what stuff
can do for your team? The gravity we spoke on yesterday. Yes,
I have Steff over a landslide over Kyrie.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
And what you can do, you can build.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
But marginal Mount, marginal Mount is Katie marginal. If we
were to go points, maybe two points out of ten,
I'll take how much? Is how much? Is Lebron better
than Katie at two points three points?

Speaker 5 (41:37):
No, Lebron is better than Katie by a lot. I
would say forty.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
That's a lot.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Do you I think we we gotta actually give this
man his flowers. We just talked about it before he
started this Nigga took that two thousand and seven Cleveland team.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Well, we haven't talked.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, we're gonna get into it.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
They were no disrespect any of these guys, right bridney
Hood and I think he was going to be in
the finals about I'm talking about multiple teams. Brodney Hood
did not think he was going to be in the final.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
The East was really weak too, though.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
That Celtics team was really good.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
They were sucking youngest ship.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Who gives they were a good team they put If
you put Brown on that Boston Celtics team, they don't win.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
You can't do that. Ask you you come, you come
on other shows and say experience is a thing. But
now experience doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
It doesn't matter when you have how's it said?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Jordan Clark said, the Boston Celtics, We're not talking about Lebron.
You said they were still a really good team. They
had zero experience. That's what I'm trying to say. They
had zero, They had very very little experience. You literally
come on the shows that it's experienced. Now you don't
say experience doesn't matter?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
What are you sticking with?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I'm not talking about Lebron.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
I'm talking about the Boston.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I said the East was weak?

Speaker 5 (42:56):
How's it weak? If they were a good team?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Now, the East was weak? Bro In twenty eighteen when
he went there, it was only Lebron, nobody.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
No Indy Indian was pretty good that year.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Who's in the best player? Victor o the Deep He's
not even a top fifty player in the league. And
you're gonna say that Toronto Victor Depot was top Look
you mean you mean Lebronto Lebron.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Are you telling me Victor Ladipot that year wasn't top two?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Talk about all time? Bro, We're not, he's not. So
so how can you compare it to you said that
year the East was weak? I said that year Victor
Depot was top twenty five in the NBA. That year
is Raptors was the best team damn there in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
But they ran it to whoof told Lebron.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
But we're talking about the duo as well. But that's
why I said I would take Lebron over Stephen Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
And what happened when the dun I've been when the
duo a round, when they went and they had a
collision course in.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
The finals, what team?

Speaker 1 (43:58):
What team won? Uh? Kyrie got hurt in twenty seventeen,
he fucked his kneecap up. That was twenty fifteen, Bro,
was twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
They fucking Kyrie played.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Yes, they only had the matchup one time.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
No, they didn't win. Yes, the matchup when Kyrie hurt
his knee was twenty fifteen and Kevin Love was injured
and Matthew Delladogo was guarding things.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Looked that up, I am I am very I am
not sure that Lebron is death. I promise that Lebron
and Kyrie only played against the Warriors one time, in
my opinion. The other time they played against each other,
he hurt his fucking kneecap.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
No, Bro, that was twenty fifteen. I promise you, Bro,
I know for sure, Bro.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Look come up, I need the numbers on this.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Kyrie played five games because of the five game sweep
average thirty, it was four to one. That's when the
Warriors won sixteen games in the playoffs and lost one
game to the Couch when they got blissed in game three, and.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Then he lost the other ones. Yes, so wait a minute,
So they played three years together, correct?

Speaker 1 (44:54):
They play three years ago? Twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen to
twenty seventeen. Twenty fifteen is when kyrie'skneecap got hurt in
the first game of the ot Yes, and then twenty
sixteen is where they came back from three one. Twenty
seventeen is when Lebron and Kate and Kyrie matchup versus Stephen.
Katy and Katie had that big Game three in Cleveland,
so they put him a Game four. Remember they put
him in Game four. That's what State got.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
So they hang win that argument. They won that one, Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I didn't remember the totality of the duo and Litsten
and I hate the whole narrative that Lebron doesn't have
the team.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Boy he had. Kevin Love j R.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Smith, Emon Trumper, Like, why we acted like Cleveland wasn't
a great team themselves?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Not that way, you guys.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen was great at Kyrie Irving, Emon
Shrumper j R. Smith talking about when he took the team.
I'm talking about that seventeen team. People act like that
team wasn't great.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Who said that? Not you guys.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I'm talking about the general public. That team was great.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Thirteen. I'm still taking Bron and Kyrie.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
All right, cool, right, what's your what's your?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, Kobe would Uh, I'm going with j Scottie. I'm
going yeah, I'm going with Magic and Kareem. I'm gonna
go with uh. This is where it gets tricky.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
That's up to him.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I mean Ronny Kai okay, and then four I'm gonna
throw I'm gonna throw a monkey in the wrinch stuff.
That's was five to Tony. Tony who Tony Parker, Tim.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
You don't have magic and caream up there?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
He said, he said, he took out Steph and Steph and.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Katy is the fifth one.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
No, he didn't hear me.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Shocking Kobe didn't put.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Him, he didn't put him in there. He took him out.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
That's why I said, about to throw something. I throw
the wrench in the real quick.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
You Shocking Kobe's your best duels of all time. Shocking
Kobe was number one.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
That's what I'm saying, saying Steph and k D and
Kareem and things.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
That's three, and then Kai and the and that's five.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
That's why I said. His fifth is Tony and Tim.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
That's what That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
That's just fourth.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
No, No, that was my fault. He was saying, you
just want to argue with you. You just want to argue.
You want to argue the argument. I love it. I
love it. So he so you got k D and
and Steph six.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, that's crazy, But I'm not gonna say anything put
Tim dun and Tony Tony Park is not the top
it's not a top twenty player in the league.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
But he had They got four rings. Thank you. I'm
all about winning, Charlie. I'm about winning and yeah, feel
me winning? All right?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Well, then Len shouldn't be there because they only got one.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Ah had him with it. That's a good point.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
That's cool, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
That's cool opinion. No, but I'm gonna put my top five.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
How I get you.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I took them out my top five.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
It's not consistent though.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
One. Okay, all right, okay, cool, they're still a hell
of a duo. All right, I'm with you, scoring whatever
you let's move on, move on, all right. Next, next
thing we got for y'all is uh best young deal
in the NBA. So some names for you guys is
j T and JB. Oh yeah you, Mike, You're right, Mike,

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I should have said Kawhi and WHI wasn't even primary.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
We got j B and j T in Boston, Shane
and J dub Franz and Paulo, John Moran and Triple
J Anton. I guess nas reed, I guess we'll leave
him up. Jalen Brunton and Cat and Yoki Murray. Who's
the best dudo in that?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Who's the best guy? Sh J doub my fault.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
The only reason out of all those names you named,
none of them has been League MVP.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Murray.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
You said that was the last one.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, and also the totality too, like it's two two
together because I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I mean, we'll get back to get back to me
on that one. Them two right there got to be
up there. I mean, Jason and the one.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
We're not gonna rank these ones, but I got them
one the one.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I can't say that yet.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
I got this. The list is still going through my
head right now.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Actually, no, I'm going with at your Murray, Bro, I'm
going at your Murray, even though I don't think is.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
The most dominant player that we've seen.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
It's kind of like the Lebron case you guys have,
Like what he brings.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
To the game is the most dominant physically physically, but
he's the most dominant every night that he just impacts
every game he plays. Yeah, he's the most impactful player
every night. He stopp on the floor. The thing is
they've done so much so I know that's what I'm saying.
I would say they're one. They've done a lot. They

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started early, they started young, they started started to.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
They've done it.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
So so let's compare it. Let's compare it, right. So
Boston's been a two finals, never has been the one finals.
They both have one chip Joic has four, of you
pis three three three, they have zero. They've both been
to I don't know how many Western Conference finals, East
Confers final. I know that Boston probably has been like
six or seven.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
That's the only equal that. That's why I put them up.
They've been in contention everything.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
And how do you and I'll asking you, but all
three of you guys, and do you guys put a
difference on it because the ones in the East and
ones in the West, because the West is a dogfight,
like we talked about every single year.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
That's a very valid point. I can't ignore it.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Yeah, you can't know weaker than the West.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
It is a little bit.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I mean, it depends, it depends.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Until recently it's a lot weaker.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
To who you putting number one. I still still haven't figured.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I'm going with that in them. I'm just saying that
with them, I think I'm going with them. I just
picked I think I'm going with them.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
I mean we didn't really we didn't do that with
the other dudoes. What you mean, like we didn't put
conference in.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
The I think because they have a huge sample size
you could talk about like finals, like like their their
their runs still have like another five ten years, right,
all of them haven't had all their runs pretty much
like they're towards the end of the career.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So that's tough.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
That's tough. I don't know because honestly, what what what
Shaye and j dubb has done in the matter of
two or three years. I know that's what I'm saying.
But it's a matter of two three years and the
boys don't won seventy some games the last two years. Yeah,
they've been really good. I mean they they've been top
in the West last two years. Hell, they're knocking on

(51:47):
the door. Yeah, they knocking three. They might be number three,
they'd be three for me, they might be number three.
They because yeah, I take that back.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I would argue better than yoga Ja Murray.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
To be honest with you, we haven't seen we haven't
seen nothing.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I mean, who you who you're picking j Doubble or
Jamal Murray. I'm picking J dub every day of the week,
and Shane.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
And Man when they want to listen when they win
the championship. Bro, Murray Murray prime was a problem. Bro,
I agree with you guys, but Bubble that Jamal Murray
is probably one of the best guys you you will
see this year.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Would tell a lot.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
But let me ask you, guys this who's a two
way player.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
I don't give a fuck. I'm not paying Jamal Murray
to be a defender.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
But I'm saying, but jub can get on. He had
a forty point games in this guard anybody, no, for sure,
But I'm saying, but does that not add to his case?
At least does that not add to the case of Murray.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Versus Like I said, I got other people that defend
we're talking about. But I mean everybody has talked about
and I've been the party and I've seen it that
Jamal Murray and Jokis pick and roll is fucking lethal.
And if Jamal Murray's like I said, this year would
tell everything.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
But why does this your have to tell you? Because
the last two years he hasn't been great.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Because it's only been two years. In the year before
he was just coming off a fucking a c L.
He has he hasn't been a healthy he hasn't been
healthy speed. Let's be honest. And obviously Denver believes in him.
They gave him a bag, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
And I got that.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
He said, let's see what he do this year because
he's supposed to be healthy, So let's see how he starts.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
Okay, See you ain't. They're not a They're not sneaking
up on nobody no more.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Well they didn't anybody last year.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
I think you still wanted to see it if they
could do it. I think now you're getting your rest
before you play. Okay, See now you don't think people
are getting the rest of year.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
You don't think they were getting the rest of the year.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
And I think they were. I think it's like like
I said, bro, you just coming off a championship. Are
you gonna be on the high? Are you gonna make
a decline? Are you gonna take that next step? It's
it's different when you hunted, they still had, they still
was hungry. Now you gotta see what what you go respond?
How are you gonna respond to it? And I'm expecting

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Jamal to have a good.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Year, well other than Boston, because I can't we can't
speak with Boston's JT towards as Achilles speed your recover
to JT. By the way, Denver didn't do much the
repeat year, So what does that say? So you said
you got to see what they do. Denver didn't do
nothing anything in twenty two twenty three repeat.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
He got but they didn't get hurt that year.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
That's what I said. They had injuries.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Then jam got hurt twenty three the next year, the
next year, right.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
You're right, twenty three twenty four year, Well he was hurt.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
So that So to answer your question, I thought about it.
I'm gonna give it to j T and JP because
of the resume. They've been longer together, they have the
resume built. I think with Shaye and j Douve, we
haven't seen enough.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
They're too young.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
So I'm gonna give him number three, and then Jokic
and Jamal number two, and then the other cats that
you said, I don't even know. They don't conversation.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yeah, yeah, it was supposed to be the next duos,
but you know, kind of change it.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
You know, they gotta they gotta rusting and Cat can
get in there this year. Yeah, they gotta win a chip.
They gotta give me a chip.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
They gotta change. Talk about it too, they gotta change.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Got J, JB, got J.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
We're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about the next We're
gonna get to it all right. Well, listen, those are
the duos. I hope everybody had some fun. This one
is not really going to be a debate. Actually, I
don't know so. I think on on on Instagram. If
Michael Jordan could have took the two thousand and seven
Cavaliers to the finals like Lebron did, what are your

(55:44):
what are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah, I mean you're saying Jordan is the number or
we're saying Jordan's number one number? Okay, so if a
number two was able to do it, you don't think
a number one was able to do it.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I'm just saying. I'm saying the best player of all
time couldn't did it.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
But yeah, the second player of all time could have
done it, but not the first. It doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
There is a debate for it. But I agree with
you guys, there is no debate. I can play Devil's advocate,
but I'm with you, guys, I think he does the whole.
I haven't.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
You got the wrong jersey new jersey devil type ship.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Listen, there no one's wearing new jerseys.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Know he's wearing that.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Well, what people would say, I would well, I think
they would say is Lebron does more facilitating, he's more
of a playmaker, so we can take worst players. I'm
not saying that's my argument. I'm with you, guys. I
think j goes to the finals. Say that's the argument
starts back? Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Speaker 4 (56:52):
I don't think you're reasonable. I agree with you're what
you're saying. I agree that Michael Jordan can do it
one tho. But I know I know what the argument
would be. You're saying, what the argument be that Bron
is historically good at making his teammates better.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
It's a floor riser. Lebron can take any team and
take them to the playoffs. That everybody's gonna say, you
have Lebron on your team, you're gonna win fifty games
and you're probably gonna go to your your conference finals.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
That's it. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
The only reason I say mj can do it because
the ain't a soul on the Wizards, the Nets or
the Pistons that could fuck with Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
So they swept Gilbert Reino's Wizards that year, they beat
Vince Carter and Jason Kidds Nets, and then obviously he
beat the Pistons when he scored thirty points straight and
that was the rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billis Pistons.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
If you're doing that in his sleep, let me remind
you real quick, le Bron, I just let me know
what y'all.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
There was sometimes he was saying home early and they
not go to the playoffs, and.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Those times when Michael sent home early too.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, but it was early in his career in the playoffs,
and let's talk about but let's talk about his first
let's talk about his right.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
I don't say the automatic that Lebron's on the team
the playoffs, his.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
First champions team. He's injured, no offense, but I mean, yeah, Scotty, yeah,
Scotty Horse grant them the only two people that you
can throw out there that had a name on that
Chicago Bulls team then you go to Luke Longley, John Paxton,
B J. Armstrong. You start, you start naming these guys.
You're like, Okay, those guys were good players. What I mean,

(58:26):
that's just like the twenty two thousand and seven Williams
he was in which.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
He was an All Star All Stars and what was
but he was an All Star at one point? Was
all Star?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Okay? Did horse Grant made the All Stars?

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Don't know about Horace horse Grant is great player?

Speaker 5 (58:43):
Did he make an All Star team?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Bo Booby Gibson or whatever his name is, Okay, Gibson, Gibson, Daniel.
I just remember hearing the name movie that was?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
And then who else?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Delante West?

Speaker 5 (58:58):
They had other players?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
He want that great guys.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Let's I though I saw Delante West? Never mind?

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, well what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (59:15):
By the way, Yeah, that wasn't appropriate. I'm not even
talking right now. Crazy, I'm sorry, Damn, that was wrong.

(59:36):
I felt bad.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Apologize, I apologize.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
You gotta stop, bro, you got to stop.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Has Charlie has to stop. All right, So listen, o
bad oh, I'm crying right now. We just all do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
I need to lock in the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
All right, so listen, get us back together.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
I'm just making the argument where people would argue that's
all I'm saying a deep more water.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
No, I'm croud of that. I was wild my fault ship.
So so so let me show you this though, because
I've been wanted to talk about this ever since this
ship came out. You know, we was on we was
on a break. Do y'all believe we might have talked

(01:00:46):
about this before we before we stopped? But what Tracey
McGrady said, how y'all feel about that? What he said
he would have.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Did with Kobe?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Did we talked about this tripping?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah, we talked about that, right, tripping, he would have
did that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
So that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
We plugging players in there to see if they could
have did these things. Do you think Trace McGrady could have.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Took that if Tam Mac?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
I think Kobe could have took that team just like Lebron. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think people forget t Mac the how good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Of it we can do, very good?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Got few context, Mack never made it to the out
of the hold.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
How much of a score he wasn't, how much of
elite player he was, Team Mac got hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I don't care if you got hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
It's like saying d Rose.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
It's not the same comparison.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
It's the same.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Rose got hurt in his fourth year in the league
or third.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
Year, the same and T mac did it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Teamack didn't get hurt until like two thousand and seven. Bro,
he was in the least since ninety six.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
T mac was at one point he might have been
up there as one of the best players.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
For guys and way you're you guys are about winning, right.
T Mack never made it on the first round until
he went to the Spurs and that team that faced Miami.
He had when Y'a Ming was healthy in two thousand
and six, two thousand and five, Like, what are we
doing here, Kobe? Like are we talking about Kobe thing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
The Lebron argument?

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Which one we're talking about? Kobe is taking Yao Ming
to at least out of the second first round. I
don't give a damn what you say.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, I can agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Fair enough is Yao Ming? Shane Batty?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Is that? Is that not enough for Kobe? Shane Baddyest Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah. Steve Francis No was traded for traded for Tracy McGrady.
So that's enough for me. I'm just putting that out there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
But Shane was a role player, he was, but it
was effective. It was a two.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
It was a two.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It's a good knockdown shooting and good defender.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, it was a two star league that back then though. Yeah,
and Tracy were your stars and then you put a
bunch of role players.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
That's that's that's what everybody do. Now now they might
have three or four on his team. Now, this guy's
laughing too much. Fucking cramp. This guy's laughing too much.
By I just say that. You don't have to say,

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is it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
You don't have to say nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Bro. We know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
All right, we're going back to the committing good topic.
We talked about it yesterday. But it's reported he turned
down a three year, seventy five million dollar deal with
a team option. He would have reported, so that's twenty
five million dollars a year. He's okay with that twenty
million dollar ish mark a year as long as he
has a player option.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
It's really fifty million. Yes, guys, guarantee because that third year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Is you're gonna get you gonna get picked up.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
Right you it's hard to leave twenty five on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Look, he dropped, He's sure we can do the playoffs.
This is this is a big telling game. He dropped thirty, Bro,
are you leaving fifty off the table?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I'm not leaving money like down on the table.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
It's hard.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
It's hard to sometimes like you've seen guys bet on
themselves in the payoff, seeing guys they better themselves that
don't pay off. I personally feel I may they fucking
disrespected him so much, like it's this ship has been toxic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
He just.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
Treat a little bit better. He's signing that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
But but but here's the thing though was reported from
his camp, you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Feel wanted he was signed up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
But here's the before from his camp. He's happy to
stay as long as they give him a player option.
So like clear he's fine staying.

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
So the three years seventy five, but just giving the
player options.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Fine staying for the two years.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
And there's a lot of guys that had player options
that don't need player options.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
Why can't you give him one? But that's what I'm saying.
It's just playing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
But that's what I'm saying. They just stay showing like
we don't trust you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, giving me that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, you already give me a three year deal, but
you only want to guarantee two of them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
That oldest Comming you know, he's like twenty two brow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Twenty two, twenty year old rade, twenty two year old CV.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
What y'all doing you get treated like that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
He's exactly, he's twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yea, let's go somewhere else, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
You got to understand where he's coming from. Like, that's
a lot of money, so you got your mental health
turning the money we talked about, I think I would.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Back then for us twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I would take no bullshit. I would take the money.
I would take the money and then fucking yeah, get
me up, fuck up out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
But that's what But that's but that's what I'll forget commingo, right.
But I'm just taking care of your fas.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
But these young dudes are different. You gotta understand. The
money was way different When me and Charlie was in
twenty four million dollars a year, was like he signed up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
This is now a million dollars year and now is
still a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
But you got dudes making sixty a year for sure,
seventy a year. He's one hundred million dollars though, yeah,
he's definitely, he's definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
For some guys.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
But that's one hundred million.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Dukie Robinson could get ninety five million outro. You can
get a he gonna get a Honey.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Duncan's deals worth over five years, though, I think understood.
So like, still you put that deal five If you
put that deal for five years one twenty five, didn't get.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
That to twenty five on the table's tough, Yeah, I know,
to what. Now let's say he don't he doesn't sign that,
he still plays and it gets hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
And what do you think if the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Worst only signing for seven point nine and the words don't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Let him play this year? He ain't gonna get more
than ten million?

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Yeah, like he was, because if he don't sign that,
they're gonna fuck with him, bro, you know, will black
body and then he's just gonna suck up his stop
his bread. But but the thing is to sign that
deal like that though, like what what do young boy
do too? But that's what signed this ship And if
you don't like how ship going calls happening.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
We know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
So you guys know, Sacramento or Phoenix. One of the
two put up a four year, eighty eight million dollar
deal for him. That's the other that was like another
offer that's been spoken for him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
But that's not the same.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
I'm just saying another team probably will pay him twenty
million dollars a year, even if he doesn't have a
good year, because they'll probably look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Take that three years, yeah, yeah, take that three years
seventy five? Yeah, fuck the playoffs team. I don't care.
But if y'all can go right, y'all can have the option.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Cool. I'm still going to be twenty four years old
when I'm done, exactly, I still get another deal. Is
I decide not to pick up my option, I go
in the free agency.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
So Josh Getty signed for what four year one?

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
I believe yes?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
So do you guys believe that it should be in
the same deal or do you think his deal should
be higher because Josh Getty was hooping.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
But Josh Giddy's also he's proven right, like they let
him rock.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, what I'm saying, do you think he should make
it right? It's a question because that the deal is
in the same ballpark. He's just not the same length, Yo, Will.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
You measure there's a good question for you, Charlie. Hey,
that's a good question for us right there in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
CV charton Burton too much Burton though he said too much?

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
Hey, but listen, though you do measure, yes, that's a
great question.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
You do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
You do measure your contract up to other people, of course,
but you also have to look at the organization you
in at that time. That's a great point too. You
know what I'm saying. You got look at the organization
with You got to look at the salary cap, winn
you gotta look at yeah, winning, you gotta look at
a whole bunch of things that goes into that. Because
if you got three dudes on your team that's already

(01:08:25):
at the cap, you know, it ain't that much money
left for you. So somebody who you feel like is
on the same level, you don have to go to
another team and get that type of money you want.
And it could be going to a bad team, or
you can stay with the team that you're with and
y'all having some success and you might have to take
a little bit less money.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
But that's the issue that they got Jimmy Raymond and
Steph there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
So the one thing that's reported is that he understands
is paid because Steph's making sixty or seventy, Jimmy's making sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
I don't take the issue. I don't think the issue
is him. He's just negotiating, like anybody else would I agree,
Like give me that third year. I'm young, Like, give
me that third year, like I want some type of security. Yes,
I know I'm gonna be twenty five if you give
me that third year, and I can go get another deal.
But like we just said, what if he get hurt?
The words are fucked up right now? What if he

(01:09:17):
gets hurt? I know the words. You don't want to
be there. You your head coach doesn't want to be
there like your owner wants to be there. We don't
know about the GM. He hasn't what Mike done. Mike
wants to drive from Let me ask you. Okay, So
he doesn't want him there. So why are we still
letting this motherfucker be here? We just saw you just
got Jimmy. They didn't want to pay Jimmy. You brought Jimmy.

(01:09:38):
You gave Jimmy his bread, I got let him got it.
It looks like the front office is not on the
same page.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
Not the front office. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna change
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
So can can I do ask one thing? If you're fourth,
If you're fourth on the paylist rate, are you mad
if Jimmy, steph and and Dre are the only players
played higher than you on your team?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
To build on that point, you know, no, I'll give
a fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Would you like if you're fourth paid on your team
and those guys are how do you do you Does
that play into the measuring your value?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Oh? Yeah, you have to, because, like you said, all
those guys are getting a lot of money. So if
I'm if I can still get twenty five million dollars
and I know I'm playing with these guys and we're
a good team and we got a chance to win, win,
be in the playoffs. I'm signing. I'm signing twenty five
twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Million, and you're the fourth you're the third or fourth
highest player.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I don't care I'm making I don't care if I'm
the tifth person.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
That What I was gonna say was we're talking about
the Warriors, and you know they got to figure it out.
But do you put any responsibility on his agent coming
his agent agent. No, the fact that he can't and
I don't know whose agent is, but I'm assuming it's
not one of the big bigger names I know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
That's what I say.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Do you think that the lack of representation or.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
It's what's causing this, because to me, if he was
with one of the top guns or with somebody that's respected,
they won't allow this to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
No, he's always he's with Aaron Turner. So Aaron has
like Terry Rozier.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
Oh, that's probably it right there. My question because if
that was Rich.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Paul exactly, that's Rich Paul that has this player or
that player this I'm gonna have to do business with
this man down the line at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Maybe let me tell let me give him what they want.
That's what kids need to understand, because that's what matters.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Bro leverage.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Sure don't have leverage over guys, But the thing is,
what I come down to is like mental health and understanding,
you're gonna play and be happy where you are meant
to be. I think he deserves to be somewhere else.
He's gonna get more bread somewhere else. He's twenty two,
give a fuck, like, bro, get me out of here.
I'm going in front, get me out here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
But why not?

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
I don't understand. Why not take the deal for playing
That's what I do. But this is my thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Trade me, mm hm, trade me so the team for me.
They gonna take me and then I get my extensions
you have. I don't need you to give me less
because you want to fucking stronghold me. You've had offers tea, Yeah,
you've had people called to trade for you, so fuck you. Yeah,
I feel you. But I think I think the issue Simmons,

(01:12:31):
there's a market. I think the issue is the owner
likes him and putting the pressure on them, yes, to
get something done. Yes, he don't want him to lead.
The owner doesn't want Comingica League. So now they like, damn,
all right, can we offer you this? And they still
like no. So the built on that for you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Ray Joe lacub is making decision that he wants to
keep Kaminga. But he has always been Steve Kurhandle's rotation.
So he's never ever forced Steve to play. Guys, that's
the way he's been. So that's where the the Disconnectman,
he wants him there, but Steve don't want to play him.
From from what the understanding is, because Joe can force
who they sign, but can he force play. So Steve's

(01:13:10):
always given Steve has always been given responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
So it goes back to what THEO just says, get
that man out of there. Bro, it's not Rocket. Sign
me for all this money, and then turn around. You
not going to play me. You're you're twenty two years old,
you're Steve Kerr.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
I'm the owner. Hey, look, I know you're not gonna
play him, but I want him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
To stay here.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Doesn't make sense, It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
It doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
But if i'm kminga, I'm taking that twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
The only thing that changes if the owner comes down
this fifty I mean fifty a year.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Yeah, we're signing him me twenty five. You have to
play him. I know I've never done this, but what's signed,
you gotta play him.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
And if he says no, so the bill, So the
bills well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Is that he will have an open he will have
an ability to earn a big role, but there will
also potentially be nights where he is bench like he
was this year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
So you got to think about like it's the warriors, right,
Like most like these guys might get hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
You might have to play him. He's not.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
He's don't have to force his hand, bro exactly. But
he's not a guy. He's twenty two, bro, and he's
shown that he can play. It's not like he's an
unproved player.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
He's turning twenty three in the months.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
You can't. He's not a guy that you just sit randomly. Right,
So there's a rotation. I'm still taking that twenty five, Bro.
I don't like how ship is going. I'm causing havoc.
That's it. So there is this point, don't you just.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
Cause having now Seebee, you don't got the money, so
you don't got that twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
A year Bon asked the question right now, play, are
you signing the qualifier just for eight million and taking
a chance, or are you if your feel are you
taking twenty five because I know Charlie, Charlie sating twenty five,
you're taking twenty five?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Are you taking twenty five qualiff to the twenty because
qualifying you get to control your destiny next next summer
qualifying is what eight and a half? I think that
eight point if I go back to that much money
on its twenty FIZZI. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
You can't leave.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
What's his agent named, Aaron Turner and Turner. If you're
looking at me, Maine, tell that man to signed that deal. Man,
don't listen to this client. Listen is not it has
some players on it. But yeah, he's not a huge
ag agent.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
He gotta sign that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
He has to sign a deal to play this year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
I would he does. He does.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
He has to either take the qualifying or he has
to take an extension. So like because when you when
you when your rookie contract ends up, you can either
sign a deal with another team which is restricted for agency,
sign a deal with your team, or take a qualifying
offer one year.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
Good point. If he takes the qualifying offer and they bench.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Him, it's not that's what But that's what we said
from the point. What happens when he stop right, it's
not gonna plumb it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I don't think he'll plump it. You don't think, so
you gotta think about it. Does have leverage. The whole
league knows what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
Yeah, it's not like it's Rockets signing anybody to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Steve Kurk is not not doing him. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
Bro, it's not like he sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Listen, I'm with the old what need What helped him
was the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yes, I was just saying that the game does.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
He showed, he showed that he can hoop, he can play.
He's just not getting off. This is what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
He doesn't fit the Warrior system like that's what they think.
But he is a player, man, he can play.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
I think he finshed, I think he fitsyist.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Listen, I'm not here to argue that. I'm just saying
they don't think he fits the system. But he is
a player. Everybody in the league knows he can play.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
That's it. Whack.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Yeah, it's the black situation. Signed that twenty five, take
that twenty five a year man, Yeah, I agree to
take you five. Who cares that three years? If you
if you finish your contract, you what twenty four to
twenty five?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Yeah, I'm with y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
I'm signing that ship. I'm doing what CV said. I
signed that ship. But I'm raising hell.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Yeah, I mean he's probably twenty four.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
With Just think about what other team, whether another team's
gonna give him thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
A year was team officer around twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
So he's right at where he needs to be at
cass half. But the thing is to like my advice.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Yeah, he calls Halving signed that motherfucker and calls havoc.
If you don't like how ship is gone. Yep, they
punch a nigger, he'll get traded. We've seen it before,
seeing it before he need to before Let's go to
uh his staff though, let's go to the team.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
He'd be out the league and his staff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
And if you think he punched them, he's out the
league or he gonna have he gonna have a bad rep.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
You know, if he punches like fucking pods or something.
He'd be all right if he can.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
If he punched somebody in the face, if he gets
at the league, he will suit the league for everything
they got.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
All right, that's the fact they didn't kick Jr. Mine out?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
You sure did it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
No, I mean they blackball him. It's a little different.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Give me a black.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Black ball, punch him in the face.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
That's what I'm saying. He can still so him. He'd
be like it was because of that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Yeah, I feel that. All right, let's go to Nick.
Want to raise Holmes team home teams Nicks fan this year?

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
Man, are you yeah? Y'all know I wasn't the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
New York Nicks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
As y'all know, raised on payroll. It's all good. Charlie's
on Dallas payroll. Who's payroll?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
You on?

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Nobody's We know he's on Dallas payrol. He's on the
Knicks and okay, see payroll. I'm supposed to on Golden
State's payroll.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
You are definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Anyways, I like their moves this summer. They brought in
Jordan Clarkson, they brought him Malcolm Brogden, and obviously they
got a new coach of Mike Brown. What do you
guys think? I think slept on offseason. I think they're
great team, very quiet off season, but really good movie.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
One of the things that they struggled last year was
that everyone talked about they don't have enough bench players.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
I think they.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
ANSWER's going to play now they're actually gonna play. But
they added some key pieces I like, like Jordan Clark
They need a score like that. Malcolm Bragdon wat move,
wait move? I love him as you played good, play,
play solid. He's not a defender, Yeah, he's not gonna
be a liability out there. We all stadded Clarkson, whudos.

Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
To the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Are they the best team in the East right now?

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Yes? Because Boston is hurt?

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Yes, healthy, Philly doesn't have anything.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
Say anything, say nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
I don't think they ever played together like more than
twenty games.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
So Cleveland's going to We're going to be Are they
better team to beat? Nix is definitely still the team.
Orlando is going to be good. Nixon still got better.
I'm gona be honest, and it is still gonna be
something to deal with. I don't know. I'm gonna tell
you something. Me and my daddy just talked about this.

(01:19:56):
You still got mathing that's gonna step up? And then
I love the key, Yes, but not enough. You got
rid of Turner, that's cool, So who's your place to
get rid of? HElib got hurt?

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
I mean yeah, But what I'm saying, he's not gonna
play more.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Them guys gonna step up in that position. I'm promising
they're still gonna be good. They's still gonna be a
playoffton to Let's talk about it. Can we talk about it?
And the ease they want to let me get this playing,
it's bet playing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
No, let's bet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
You still got to pay. Let's get a bet.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
No, he.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Stop saying that I pay my bets. Credits good out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Here credit listen still list the deals credit with me.
It took it took about like two months.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Two months. Collections on them paid.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Me the next day. So raate credit good good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
So I want to bet. You want to bet Indian
gona make the playoffs two week and the others is
still good.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
So if Indiana makes the playing games, that counts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
And they and they make the playoffs, playing does a
matter because you still being player and you still don't
make the playoffs they make the playoffs. No, bet, bet,
Now that's all all right? Bet, I was just trying
to raise the station. Yeah, tea with you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
I think I think they're playing team. I think they
can make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
So they can.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
This is why I'm going to ask you. Right, So
that's actually off of the basket side of things. Right,
they lost miles. That's a big loss.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Yes, Protector, they've been trying to get they've been trying
to give me rid of miles for years.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Doesn't mean it's a good doesn't mean it's a good decision.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
I mean the way he played last year. No, definitely
went a good decision.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
But Okay, there's a premium on shot balking bigs that
can shoot the three, they don't just those those are
just on in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
The league's replacement who they picked up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
I think they're gonna play Thomas Bryant, guys that are
already ready there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
They got Night, they got wise Men, and they got
the other just came off of a cl They got
the other kids from Kentucky that that that was Yeah,
this is a keyles up to but he'd be back
because he told his before.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
And then and then I think over what I would
like to understand.

Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
They got the Jackson dude, that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
So they got some they got some pieces. But I
don't know. I think can film my shoes really made
you made that team go and you you really think
it's just gonna be plugging play like that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
It's not about plugging and play. I'm just saying those
guys can still hold the fort down.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
In the in the East. They still can make the play.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Have a good night.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
Give me eight teams that give me eighteens.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
That's wanna tell you why they're gonna make them's eighteen?
Can we do a thousand? I don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
You want to list thousand?

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, we negotiate, negotiate that
got shake on it, shake on that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
I mean, that's a great bet. Bro, My ship my
credit not good right now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
So I can they're not making a playoffs. They're not
making the playoffs better? Hey, y'all heard that thousand? Are
they better than Charlotte?

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
They better than Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
That's the debate. That's a debate that Toronto. You said,
will lake the playoffs? Toronto?

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Orlando, Milwaukee? Are they better than Washington?

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Are they better?

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Y'all said that Washington might be a playoff team this year.
They gonna never said. Okay, let me face that. Y'all
said that Washington should be a decent team this year.
A decent team is that the playoff team was not decent?
Is our top ten team?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
They're not making the playoffs? Bro?

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
Is that better than Atlanta, Orlando, Milwaukee?

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
On Washington?

Speaker 5 (01:23:35):
Are they better than Philly? Are they better than Orlando?

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
Are they better in New York?

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Are they better than Brooklyn?

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Yes? Yes, Brooklyn? Who does Brooklyn have Brooklyn? Brooklyn I
heard Boston for some years.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
Okay, Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
No, they're not better than Boston. Why they're not better
than Milwaukee? Why is that better than Why they not
better than Are they not better than Milwaukee?

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
They got Joannis and Miles?

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Yeah? You tripping right now?

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
Okay, they've been beating the ass for the past.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
They asked, and Tyree Telibrat was not playing well all
of those games. They are not making the playoffs? Well,
all right, I can't wait to get this. Are they
better than Miami?

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I think I think they're in the same range as Miami.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
Are they better than Detroit?

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
Are they better than Cleveland?

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
Are they better than Chicago?

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Yes? They just gave Giddy the bag. Yes they are, Charlie,
I don't know they better.

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
Are they better than Boston? Are they better than Atlanta? Boston?

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
This year.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
In Atlanta my opinion, they lost.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
He did. I'm gonna tell you what, Jason Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
They still got Derek white Hold.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Do you remember that picture he post of their start
in lining with Xavier Tillman and stuff, and you respect.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
I'm just remind you that they they got. They didn't
get meang the dude you compared me to this respect.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
No here in Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
He went back, Yeah, he got the dude. What's his name?

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
Meta, I'm going to tell you this right now, what's
the name queto U?

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Big? The big the big dude? Right, they got him.
That's who they projected to start at the five? Oh
yeah yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Why is Al hard for that sign that I think
you might retire? But the Warriors are the favorite as item?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Why not saying that because he's just trying to see
what team he can get to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
He probably trying to figure out what's going on in
the coming situation. But let's move on from the Warriors.
You're talking off about the words.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Listen, bro Indiana, Indiana, no one can play their style.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
But how much is that style is predicated off of
Tyree Span as well?

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
RCT. The fact that you're just blaming that, it's not
just Tyree's big going to TJ McConnell is still going
to be pushing that ball. Don't look at like the
TJ McConnell.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Was bothering dig That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
He's a big piece. He's still gonna be in the
same role, which college is gonna have to step up
and do more than like the coach. Still like the guys,
you still like Ricky.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Put a stack on the line, on the line, shoot
a stack. I'm not saying they want I'm on race side.
I'm on race team.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
I think that plays as fast as dudes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Bro, I take your handed to you want some action. No, no,
I'm not that confident.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
I'm not that confident.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Take your level, hunts.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
We're doing injuries.

Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
No, no, we just doing plate. I don't care about injuries.
Everything that's part of the game. Part of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Again. Cool, all right, y'all got part of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Anything else on this anybody's not making the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
I like Indiana, all right, is gonna be really good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Detroit is gonna be I think the top three team.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I think Ivy hurts them. I don't think he I
think I gets traded. I think, yeah, a little bit Ivy.
I think once he plays a little bit, they're gonna
move on from him. I also told you, guys, I
forgot to say I might go to Indiana. Say that
supposedly Molik Beasley and the prisons are looking for a reunion.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
That's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
Then Detroit signed Duncan Robinson. That's who they signed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
It doesn't matter the money.

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
They still money on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
I think he's all. I think that all the money
dried up to take him in. If he goes back
to Detroit. They lost Tim, they did Molak's probably go back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Tim.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
Oh yeah, another shooter. A motherfucking issue.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
I'm telling you, Denver has all the depth. Now trade
you can play nobody's talking about. You can rest Yokes
for fifteen minutes with Jonas Valentunis if the rest of
the piece is fit.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
I forgot that big motherfuckers over there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
That's so when he said he got the Clippers, I
was like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
What really? Ain't what I was in concrete?

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
They know what really? Because they Clippers are still really good.
They match up. Clippers got some pieces.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Yoda was tired all year. Bro, If you give me
a fresh Jokitch, I'm betting on yok every.

Speaker 5 (01:28:27):
Time they were a game winning dunk from Eric Gordon
not being there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
And I get that, but I'm saying Jokic was carrying
the whole o the whole year. You give me a
fresh Jokic, It's a different conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
In my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I agree with that, all right, for Ray's former teammate
Charlie getting away with his dances. Where do you guys
rank Russell Westbrook in from of modern point guards? Because
pat Bev said that he has Ai, Steph Kai and
d Rose over him? Two thousands plus? Where you guys
ranking Russell Westbrook?

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Give me that list again?

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Uh, Russe is just different. Ai, Steph Kan d Rose
is who pap Bev has over Russell.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
These are all scoring, scoring point guard guard that that
that you that he just named like you just named
for one. Yeah, except for what CP who.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Say, Ai Steph Kandy Rows playing was the score k
was the school point guard. D Rose was a score
point guard. Come on, he's a point guard. Yeah, he
still was a score.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
The fact I know that was about to make my point,
like the fact that you don't put Russ in there,
and he diabolical and he averaged triple doubles with the
scoring he did. Are you serious right now?

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Any man that averages triple double and he's considered a
for this season, he's considered a scoring point guard and
he's still averages triple double with more than tennis multiple years,
multiple years.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
We're not gonna put that man it We see what
cures me about it? You know what's crazy? You know
it's funny were talking about rest of that. I watched
this whole, this whole show last night on TV, this
little documentary thing he did about hisself, his whole life
or whatever. The man has been hated on and like

(01:30:18):
put to the side his whole entire career. So this
ain't nothing he's not used to. But how can you
just disrespect the man his loyalty that he had to. Okay, see,
even when Kad left in that moment, he still stayed loyal.
And then what he did that next year when Katie left.

(01:30:41):
Everybody's not going to have the greatest year. So when
he went to the Lakers, that shit was whatever. You know,
everybody just wanted to talk about that and want to
hold him to that. How you gonna hold him to
that when that man was doing so much greatness prior
to that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
But Ray, that wasn't on Rush, that was on the
Fit Lakers.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
I get that, But I'm talking about commentators who these
half of these motherfuckers don't even know nothing about basketball.
And yes, I'm coming at y'all cause y'all don't know shit.
I don't give a fuck. Come at least say whatever
you want to say at me. I'm ready for it.
Ay want smoke, Yeah, because I'm like, like it really
it really bothers me when I hear people talking about
him who never played the fucking game, who never can't

(01:31:21):
even probably tall, they fucking shoes to go play basketball,
you know what I'm saying. So that's what really pisses
me off. To a man that really did a lot
in the game of basketball. This man broke records, this
man is gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer
and y'all just shitting on his name. Yeah, that pisses
me off. Man, I don't like it. Just it really
rubs me the wrong way because that man really can hoop.

(01:31:43):
Like I've been in been in the gym with him,
I've been on the court with him, like his passion
for the game. Does he make mistakes, yes, does he
take hell of I shots sometimes yes, But that's who
he is. And that's why I say, you gotta take
the good with the bad with Russ. But it's way
more good than is bad, you know what I'm saying. So,
like it's just it just kills me. So, yes, that

(01:32:04):
man is definitely in my top five. And there's no crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
All I've heard from every single person even a better
human than basketball player.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
And there's no m And I got into a little
situation that was, but.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Who can who.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
That dancing ship? But dancing ship fu y'all doing? But
I'm able to see a great player, bro real, Like,
that's a great player. The fact that he can average
a triple Dublin. Last time that ship was done was
sucking Oscar Robinson or whenever he did it, and that
was fucking years.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Ago, back to back. He did it twice. No, he
did more than that. He did more than twice, did
like three or four years because he did it when
I was there on year. So who you taking out?
So listen, so I'm taking that. Just put Ai, Steph
Kai and d Rose over.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
I'm gonna have to take Kyrie out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
I think it's a mount rushmore.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
I guess I would have.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
To say it's only four. I would take Kyrie out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
This is my issue with them, Like, this is my issue.
I think a lot of people put Ai at the
point because of his size, But yeah, I was a
two guard on the point guard. Yeah was a two guard.
He was snow played the point. Snow played the point.
Ye I was a bony five score, you know what
I'm saying. So I can't say a ya was a
PG because it's height. That's what I'm saying, because it's height.

(01:33:33):
But he was a score bro even though that's how
he was a six foot one score he was. I'm
just being honest.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
My second thing is though, like I mean, c P
three has to be on this list, he's not even
on the list.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
That that slanders absolutely ridiculous. Everybody say you're bodas. I
don't give a like that, nigga. He's done.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
I mean, he's the last who said it. Rick Patino
said it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
Point guard Paul Chris, Paul Russell, Stephen Curry, and I
would go, probably.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
You're not an AI. We're taking AI out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
No, no, no, it's John.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
He He didn't say two thousand plus. I put two
thousand plus. Best point guards is two thousand plus. So
I'm just put that out there. He's talking more.

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
Oh, we're talking all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
We're talking two thousand plus.

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
That's magic magic joh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Well, So so the next one is Mario Chalmers put
his top five point guards all time a CP three
j Kid, Magic, Stocked and Kai. How come we don't
have Steph there? If he has Kay, they have the
same type of player.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
I don't know. I don't know if you can classify
Steph as a point But listen, I put I put
Steph Steven m VP. I was going to say Steph
and a I to me is in the same.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Category, but so k So it was kind Yes, Kyrie,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
They are scoring point guards, but to me, they more
They more scores than they really are facilitated. Do you
remember when pass?

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
I remember they passed.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
They can pass everybody. We can pass their ass off.
So let's come, want to get UH moment here. We
all agree. A point guard is a guy who can score.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
I think a traditional We all.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
Think a point guard, traditional point guard. Jake Kids and
the CPS right all ranking Rondo, Come on, I gotta
get loved.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
For us.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
Let's rank. Let's I don't agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
For me, a point guard is a guy that can
run the team score when he needs to do whatever,
then the team need to need them to do that night.
So for me, the c P Russell Westbrook, Steve Nash,
Jake Kidd and UH Magic we're going all time. Yeah,
this is all time. This is all time.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
Oh yeah sure, So hold up.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
So I want to ask you guys this I didn't
get to see.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
It was Zeke a score or Zeke Thomas score? Is
he's not part of this list?

Speaker 5 (01:36:19):
He's on the list. He's a score point guard.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Is Steve Nash a top five point cred of all time?
I gotta know, Isaiah Thomas, you gotta play.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Time traditional Steve Nash a top five traditional point gun
In the conversation, Steve is one of my players going up?

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
But is he top five two times? MP?

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
Gotta be he's gonna make you better.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
I'm just saying what I think he made the Obviously,
Magic is Magic Stockton's all time leading assist. I'm like,
I can't argue with stocking and watching play that much.
J Kid is Jake Kidd the original triple double point?
I mean after I guess after Oscar is really ja
Kid and Magic is j Kid?

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
CBC. I agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Twenty plus year is you know Steve Nash doesn't feel
like he's in that tier for me personally, two.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
Not one two And this is when like shots, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Canada, Bro, that's his nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
I know. I'm just saying, now you got Isaiah Thomas,
Steve nash Rondo. We're talking about traditional point guards. Now,
who was successful. He was successful with that team.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
Will do you will?

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
He was peak is crazy, but he didn't have.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Yeah, he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
I mean, here's the flip side for you guys too.
Is Oscar in the conversation Bob Coozy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Mister triple double.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
The original triple double, Jerry West.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
I mean you're talking about point guards. You're talking about
Walt Fraser to wait, did he average a triple double?
For going all the time. I'm gonna go for what
I can see, what I saw. My can't go back
because if we go back, we got we got. Because
I can't, I can't go by what we see. I
can't put listen, I understand he had the triple doubles.

(01:38:07):
For me, who the fuck was he playing against? That's
what I said earlier. I said, you can't compare arrows.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
No, no, no, that's a different times.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Play against man a triple double the woman real quick,
that's the other person that could tell us, because I
don't know who played against exactly. I'm not even putting
Bob Coolsey but a triple double, averaging a triple double.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
I agree, but I'm saying, all right, I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
It's like saying it's like saying Wilt Chamberlain's hundred point
games like this week, because hell, who is he playing?

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
I'm not. I don't get.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
An if you played against a bunch of six three
people in your prime.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
And you a hundred is hard. I think they're I'm
gonna put it this way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
I think a lot of guys from starting in Jordan's
era's score one.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
Hundred points when he did it, but nobody has done it.
I understand because it's getting harder. It's you're not scoring
a hundred points nowadays. Even yes, we're put sixties and seventies.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
Bro, listen, as a man, you're not letting nobody put
a hundred points on this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Dog seeing the man score eighty one laying them out.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
I don't see man put eighty one. Yeah, So as
a man, I felt like eighty one is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Hey, eighty one is crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Man? Like? What was that like though? Video game?

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
Bro, what are you saying in the locker room? What
are you saying in the fourth quarter?

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
At that point?

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
You just watch him, Sam Mitchell saying doubles.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
No, no, he was doubling the ship out of him.
Initially was initially no no. Initially it was just like,
don't get the other guys off. Make sure the other
guys don't get off. Kobe's gonna get his because Kobe
was on the tear at that time. He's put sixty
on the maps in three quarters.

Speaker 5 (01:40:21):
I forgot about John Stockton.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
We said them, I didn't say him. Oh okay, cool.
So what's the consensus list? So I think magic number
one for everybody traditional point guard? Yeah, and we're going
to who's two?

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Is JA Kid?

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
No? CP Stockton? To me, I think it's J Kid.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
For me, I think it's I think it's Steve Nash, Steve,
you have Steve or j Yeah, he has two m vps.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
You can't take that away from It's not like he
don't have them. So basically comes out to who's the
better player? Steve Nash, J Kid to me, its j K.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
That's my opinion, Steve a better player. I'm sorry two
time m v PTA.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Sorry, I mean Kobe is the one time?

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Can we compare stats? Can side by side? Peter can
pull it up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Side by side, Peter, pull up Jason Kidd and Steve
Nash side by side stats. I mean, here's the other debate, right,
are you gonna say that Joannice is a better James
Harden is a better player than Kobe because he has
more MVPs. That's That's all I'm saying about the VP argument.
It's like we can't just use that as a definitive answer.
Can't say Jason k I don't want, but I don't

(01:41:40):
watch j Kid in his prime prime. I watch him
for I must forget Steve problem.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
He's in the top five, but I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
But it comes down to who's a better play. That's
more the debate. Who's a better place? I think is
a better player?

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
He couldn't do Jason couldn't do that well with shoot.
That's the best trade of Steve Nash shoot as well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
But he Okay, okay, we got some here, we got
some here. Okay, we got nineteen seasons, eighteen seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Ten, services eight, one championship down doesn't hard enough? Is
hard to have two MVPs or.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
One two m vps.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
First Steve, sorry, burn my fault. I thought something a first.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Team seven he got he got defense too fast, Slow
it down, slow it down.

Speaker 5 (01:42:28):
So Jason Kidd number offensive team, Jake Kids better.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
That's what I'm saying. So Steve Nash is a better shooter,
Jaki's a better rebounded.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
BETTERA wait, wait, look at that total.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Go up, go up, They're similar.

Speaker 5 (01:42:42):
No, no, I mean go down my fault.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Stop there, stop there. It's similar, guys, That's all I'm
trying to say. But like Jason Kids a better defensive player,
Steven a better offensive player.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
JA kid, what you got the you're really quiet? I
got j k take care my fault. Hey, look, you guys,
I ain't gonna hold you. I was going off m
v P s.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
I get it, and listen, I was wrong. I thought
Hardly had two MVPs for some reason, I.

Speaker 5 (01:43:13):
Had I had. I was going off m v P s,
just hard.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
M v P.

Speaker 5 (01:43:18):
You the best player in the motherfucking league.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
But I don't think Steve Nash was the best player.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Though they said he stole one. Though, no, no, no,
but but but here's that Kobe should have got one
in mon.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Here's the thing, though, I don't think anybody here in
Ray Charlie. You guys were in the league. Yeah, you
guys are in the league. He was never the best
player in the league. When he was VPS. He just
had made the biggest change on the seam, but he
was never the best player, most valuable player. He's the
most valuable, but he wasn't the best player a different things.
That's that's where my case came from. Even when I said,

(01:43:48):
is he in the top five point guards?

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
That's in fact all right, and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
We're gonna go to the w gentleman, the w W
who played tonight, let's talk about it. I don't even
know who plays tonight before when when you bring that up,
fever entry tics were eight dollars, gentlemen. What do you
guys think when you guys hear that?

Speaker 5 (01:44:10):
I mean, yeah, that's the only factor.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Got to night. Look up how to match the tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Fact, let's see, but that was what was reported at
the entry level. Entry level ticket will be eight dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Oh no, I got it right here. Tickets. I mean,
we're all trying to go for that thirty two twelve dollars,
twelve dollars a ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
It's crazy, right, was a ticket? Yes? Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
We can we get all go there?

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Twelve dollars fifty bones we can all pull up and
get a couple of Glizzies and.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
You need one hundred one hundred. We eat good.

Speaker 5 (01:44:52):
We can go courtside for four hundred a pop or total.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Hot sixteen hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Talking to the higher ups trying to row PJ.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
It's not pretty. But you know, I don't bring this
up to joke about.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
But I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
We're not trying to make light of it. But it's
just very like, obviously the Kaitlin Clark effect is crazy.
We've talked about it before. But you know, like the
w M has had the most view numbers in the
in the last in its history, which y has been reported,
which is cool but very tough to see that tickets
or something for eight dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
But it's no secret that the w n B A
game is growing. That's what we know that and a
lot has to do with Kaitlyn Clark, but there are
other good players out there, and the fact that she's
not playing bro the numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
This team still has a Leah Boston, Kelsey Mitchell. What
are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Nice?

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
And we're talking about twelve dollars to get into the game.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
Come on in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Yeah, I'm going to be that this last ham string,
it's been lingering, has been three more w n b A.

Speaker 5 (01:46:05):
It has fucked the w n B A. Do you
know how much unfortunate you know? Oh my god, do
you know how much money is probably left on the
table because she's not?

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Oh my, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
First of all, they had a team, They had a
team that could make a run.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
I don't think they lost money. Was already signed.

Speaker 5 (01:46:23):
I'm not talking about her deal. The deal she good.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
I'm talking about sales because there was her somewhere. There
was so many games she missed in NBA Arenas and
all that that weren't the same ticket price anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
No, that's resale market. I think the tickets still sold.
The tickets probably so sold. This is this is this
is a ticket price directly, I believe. But yeah, yeah,
it's sad to see. But you know, it's growing.

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
It's definitely growing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Though.

Speaker 5 (01:46:52):
I like the game, definitely grown.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
I haven't watched too much this year.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
But.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
Yeah, I'm tapped in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Lynks is the real deal because I know we talked
about brief you got the links.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Links is tough. I was there, I wentn't last year.
That's lose.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
That's the champion.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
The Links, yeah, I got Yeah, they're gonna redeem themselves.
I don't know they're gonna redeem them something. New York
got to go through the Maces. Nah, it's they're cooking
right now. They're the hottest team right now. Is the
hottest team right in? Atlanta is really good. Minnesota is different.
Atlanta's like I watched the w n B A. Minnesota
is different, but different.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Aces are different too. In Atlanta is different. Nobody's talking
about them. And I told you work off my work.
You're gonna put the battery about to that they end
up playing, yes, right so he So you got the
Aces so far. We can change our picks in a week, right,
nows aces in the West and I got Atlanta these

(01:47:52):
you got the links, Links all the way east waste.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
I don't think of this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
It's not it's not East West. Yeah. They put the watch, honest,
I do watch enough.

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
I just agea Wilson on the tear right now. It's
hard to go against that. Right now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
The better team is Minnesota though, So I'm gonna go
a minute so I think they won't be there court.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
I have to go with the home team. So Minnesota
was on Tile League with the home team.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
I take it back. I'm as playing New York. I'm
going with the m v P. I'm going to m
v P. I'm with the home team. Who's the Jewels
on our network? So she's lea, I'm with the home team,
the Jewel.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
All right, last topic for today, gentlemen, Kayln Clarker Page Beckers,
who you driving?

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Records? Man?

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
What are we talking about? I might even gonna let
you finish that sentence?

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
Peter, you want to run the highlights?

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Page fucking Beckage? Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:48:52):
If you want to compare the stats, you know, I'm
a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
We're gonna of the clips.

Speaker 5 (01:48:57):
You know, records got better number rookie rookie rookie.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
No, we're only comparing rookie numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
No, she doesn't. Okay, we'll bring it Up'll bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
We're bringing about the clips.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
I mean, she's different. What do we say about steph gravity? Gravity? Gravity? Gravity?
Talking about what I'm saying? What are we talking about?
Can we do the numbers compared to the numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
The way I look at maybe pages like a better
shooting Jason Kidd can do. Everything's like Steph Curry.

Speaker 5 (01:49:32):
Pacebakers is not Jason kidds that was a horrible comparison.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
That might have been a bad comparisons.

Speaker 5 (01:49:41):
I would say she's like a book.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
She's like a book.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Yeah, she's scored.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
You can pass it all way better than the book.

Speaker 5 (01:49:48):
Book past not like not like Page book Page the.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Point like that age can play the point, bro. I've
been watching Page since she got the Yukon.

Speaker 5 (01:49:57):
She's not a pastor like that, Charlie.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Do you watch you games?

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
She can't pass. It's do you look at her as
not an elite passion, she's an elite school.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
I think I think Page is an elite for general.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Kid because Jason Kidd, when you think.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
You can, I give you guys, my wife some a
point guard that can run the floor and do everything.
Maybe it's Russell Westbrook, I don't know, but it's a
point guard that can do everything.

Speaker 5 (01:50:24):
She's a score.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
I didn't say she's wrestled. I said I want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
I'm trying to get Peter pulled. The pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
The pictures, Oh, the rebounds assists are higher?

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Is better? What are we talking about? Is crazy? She's
a point guard though, Can we get minutes. Can we
put minutes minutes? But look at this forty one from
the field. Okay, forty shoot better for the three, and
she shoot better for the free throw line. The usage
rate is way higher for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
I think Pages team is way way worse. And then Page,
Page is great. That's why she was number one pick.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
She is great. I am drafting Kaitlyn. Season sales is
going up. Business. Yeah, she's just as good, and she's
just as good book.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
I don't look at Kaitlyn as a past I mean
Page as a passer. So Page or Kaitlyn Page with you?
You com baby all the way, my favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:51:27):
I'm loyal. Fuck my Jerry Jones running the business.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
I'm going You're THEO Pinson bro your team. I'm going
Kaitlyn Kaitlyn for multiple reasons though. I mean, she's good enough.
Same here business wise and on the court, stats and
on the court, I'm getting the same person. Give me.
We're not even playing it. We're not even playing at

(01:51:57):
the high school no more. We're in American airlines exactly.
You can play over there if you want to with Page,
that's cool. I'm just with you. I'm with you. You're
not really with him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Though transition.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
You're not really with him though I'm with him because
if you sat there in that room, and if you
have I'm with him. But but but if we own,
if we own own, we owning together. You know what
I'm telling you. You aren't my owner.

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
No, you owner me and you getting the argument in
the room, like Charlie, we are fucking drafted.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Kate Clark. If I the owner, I am draft. I'm
slashly a tired so you don't make it to the draft.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
For yah, I am the gym conversations page Basketball basketball basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
That is okay because the numbers are the same. The
numbers are the same.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
I feel like the usage rate was insane.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Though there you go. The numbers are the same. I
don't care about no usage me.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
She shot forty one percent Who Kaitlyn Clark in page
shot forty three forty forty from the field.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Yeah, back up, okay, great, bring it out. She shot
better from the three percent age the next one? Okay,
forty seven, okay, forty one, forty seven, all right, thirty four,
go to the ninety eighty, go to the first. But
if you take the usage rate, j kid, huh, that

(01:53:29):
was terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
I would not agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
Her team is so booty. If anybody j Kidd is
Kaitlyn No, she's a better shooting JA Kid. Yeah, she's
definitely a pass I.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Just well, my point was comparison is that Jkid was
a point guard that could do all rebound assists.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Kaitlyn Page can do the exact same. That was my point.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
I don't know if Jason was the best comparison, but
that was it was.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
That's fair, Broy.

Speaker 5 (01:53:57):
Guess what chat chat take Page over Aalen okay burn Hey, but.

Speaker 4 (01:54:01):
Guess what, bron onto the bay? How you got another
chance tomorrow? Because we here four days a week.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
We out of this motherfucker. Good point. We appreciate y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
Man, it's been great. Y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
Keep tuning in with us. We only get bigger and better.
We only getting started. And uh, once again, I want
to say, I appreciate CV, I appreciate Ray, I appreciate Hong,
I appreciate title lead higher up journey that we are
about to partake on Season two.

Speaker 5 (01:54:27):
Day two were out of here, Peace,

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