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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're my people.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
We are back with another love stream of to the Baja.
It's a little light in the house today. It's a
little light in the house. Still run a little late,
and he will be fine when he gets on stream,
will be fine, Yes, sir, But you know, we got
my brother Charlie in the building.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Mister consent, I'm here, yes, sir, Yes, sir. I hope
he had a great Father's day.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Charlie. You're the iron Man.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, iron man, the iron Man technical technically bridges technically me.
I'm only missed with one show. Yeah, you know what
it might it might be CAM, but only missed one show.
It might be CAM, might be you're right, might be camping.
But you know, for Charlie, he I don't. I don't
think he's missed. He's only missed one show since he's

(00:49):
been full.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Time, full time. One show. That's it.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, you know what I mean. We ain't Charlie going forward,
but we're gonna miss something soon. He's gonna be out
of the country. Uh to the b how tropical. But again,
I hope my brother had a good uh Father's day.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Sure did. Sure they appreciate that man.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Of course, of course, hopefully I won't have a good
one for a little bit. Shout out boy home. He's
in the producer share today, you know, still making it active.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, sir, Charlie had the hbachi going people, he said,
my cousin was there.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
That's people, It's crazy. I had your cousin over at
the house.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
About how we we we swing on the pendulum back
back to non politically correct agendas.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
You know, that's that's how we do it. But a narrative.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
That he keeps saying, I'm defending you out like it's
because I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Have a message. You know, he definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Has a lot of people are on your head about that.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
The highlights that you put.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I was like, oh he has We're not saying he
has a super deep bad.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
He has a bag, bro, he got a plastic joke.
That's what I said.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
I said, I said, I said, at least that was
all I was saying. Remember I said he got but
he was he got no bad.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I said, at least a plastic respect, That's all I said, Charlie,
at least a plastic joint.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
You got. You said you let home to fenous people.
But now I got it. But now let's let's get
let's get to let's get to the baha. Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
See even up the series last game in game four,
well they called the Ray mister Pyro in the chat.
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, mister payroll.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean it's right. He's probably doing what he's in. Okay,
see right now doing some appearances that.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I have no idea where is that.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Probably doing something. Ray's birthday is coming up to maybe
you know, maybe his birthday.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
But even there he probably okay, see gambling, he's probably
gonna be in the parade. And you know what I'm saying. Okay,
see go see shirt off.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
That's funny you said, but uh not like I said,
bro Okay, see even the series up, we were surprised.
Now you're home, I'm talking about my other Indiana got here.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
And my surprise. I mean Indiana had that game one
that did. They were playing very well the whole the
whole game. And it just goes back to forty eight
minutes of basketball. Got to play forty eight minutes of basketball, man,
because if you don't, I mean, can swing anyway anyway.

(03:33):
But also Caruso, man, he's yeah, he's he's making the difference.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
He's a difference.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Now it goes back to what Draymond said back in
our last episode where he was talking about being that
third guy. Yeah, yeah, Caruso is that third guy.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, because if he he produces, he scores twenty, they win.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I mean he scores like seventeen seventeen even in the teams.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, the team and the hot teams, Yeah, they're probably
gonna in the game. They got the chances because you're
not you're not penciling him down for that correct, You're
thinking he's gonna get eight to ten from him and
like maybe a steal or so, and so if he
giveing you like fifteen to twenty, it just gives you
that extra because again, these teams are again, these teams
match up really well.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
It was in his bag. They match up really well.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
And I think the difference is the top superstar, the
best player on the court, showed that he was the
best player on the.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Court when it mattered, when it mattered, yep, when it mattered.
He started off super So he had like what four
twelve and a half or something like that.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
And was doing great, man, and it was doing great
and without fouling him too. And I like this game
more than most of the games because the rest of
them let them play. They let him play up into
the fourth quarter. It really wasn't any fouls stopping the game.
The pace and fold the game was really was really good.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
What's so would uh mister extender Scott faster.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
We're gonna talk about it.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
We want to talk about that. I wanted. That's why
I didn't mention that part yet. I don't talk about
it back. But but what do we think went wrong
for Indiana? Huh?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Both add THEO, so we need to put Yeah, he's
here now, THEO you ready?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, don't man, yo yo yo yo yo.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
You know you're getting fine, right, fine, you're getting fine?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
THEO hunge the hunch, go ahead. Hey, we're about to
just call Charlie the debt collected. Bro. He moving come
on now, and we need you here on time. You

(05:40):
gotta start giving Charlie money. Yeah, we're watching straight tough
buckets right here.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Tyres is making some tough buckets. I gotta give it
to him.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
He showed up.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
He did again. Where where do we think it went
wrong for Indiana? Honestly, the last three minutes of the game.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Shae was super smooth all game I.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Mean, okay, she went on the twelve. I think it
was twelve to one run.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
In the last three or four minutes of the game,
there's a game right there. They started playing really.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think it was a defensive clinic in the last
three minutes for okay, see, they just start really they
started playing like they're the best defensive team in the world.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
It was hoop.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
And also I think it was like thirty one fourteen
in the fourth and the fourth. Yeah, and Shane had
like work. Shae had like eighteen of those.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Thirty one seventeen fourth quarter. Yeah, ye, Shae dinner.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I scored Indiana in the fourth quarter because he only
had like fourteen going in. He ended with like thirty something,
only had fourteen going into fourth.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Nasty, nasty Yeah, hold up.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Hold up, we got obviously we welcome to a little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, you might drop the thirty ball. But
oh yeah he did have to face like the lost too.
That's why he mentioned it. You know, one he would
be like, hey.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
He would have been scratching his head. We asked for
a thirty burger. At least gave me to hold on,
hold on. I will say this about the right I
was watching the game. He they were up like eight
with like six minutes to go.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
I don't know what happened. I didn't watch the rescide
what happened?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
When you watch the game?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Man, it's online, it's on YouTube, you know, to tune.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
In, said one link the on Everything that's crazy inaccessible. Yo.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
That's all good.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yo. We live, we live. Tell me something new, man,
We just tell me something new.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Hua, Rica were struggling to clutch Man. We can't finish games.
It's a struggle but for us right now. But look,
we're live, We're playing basketball game. We're live.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, figuring this out, figguring it out. Ye're figuring, We're
figuring this out. That's fucking insane.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Were my fault came? You want to continue?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Are you good? You good? I should I should have
brought it up, but I we appreciate you. Yeah. Now
you get home? Oh yeah? So yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Do you think that it was really more so of
a Indiana meltdown on offense or more of okay, so
just start figuring it out on defense.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Say a little bit of both. Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I was able to catch the last pretty much eight
nine minutes of the game, and like I said, it
was just both Haymakers back and forth trying to see
who folds.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, and the best player on.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
The court showed up at the end of the game.
I think it's one of those games that could go
either way. Which player was gonna step up. That guy
had stepped up with and he made some big shots,
big shots. That three he made to cut it the one.
I think it might have been the biggest shot. That's
when I kind of knew that keep them keep yeah,

(09:00):
keep keep the life. But big time play from Shay.
That's what the m v P is supposed to do.
And he just put control back in Okay, his hands. Now, Indiana,
they got a tall task.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, obviously it's two contrasting best players and one the past.
First one is score first. Just get a bucket any time,
elite scorer. I mean, that's that's what the series has been,
and that's what Game five four was all about. One
of them could get a bucket at any I think
moments noticed.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
So yeah, that's what I saw.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, because Tarik didn't like look batter for us at
the whole game, but he played his game. It's just
it just whenever the game got close, it was more
tailored to chase play style of what was needed at
the moment, and Pascal went cold.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
You need more from Miles.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Two guys. Miles did not do good in the fourth
at all.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I know this is old news, but what was like
watching two of your classmates last round. You have to
see Carl and Miles have been duging up Miles and
Carl when they were facing each other.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
It's just like it's like old times.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, those guys been competing against each other for
god knows how long at this point, and they'll be
competing in the Eastern Concert Finals. Bring everything full circle.
Those guys been good for a long long time. So
I think, uh, I think Miles got.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
The little upper hand right now.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
If you want to call it, yeah, especially if they
in the winning, winning the series.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Herenna have for a minute, man, Miles, I have dragon
right for a minute.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
And the fact that that Indiana's right, they got to
keep Miles.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
They gotta find a way. That's a big story.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
If they're able to pay Miles on top of all
these other guys that they're paying because you have to,
you have to. You gotta pay, like fun all that
Uxtrey text. You got the bread, you got something good,
don't suck it up.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I mean, because most of the guys are going to
be tied up for a little bit. I think once
you pay Miles, I think most of them are t
for like at least two years.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Definitely, I mean you can't.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Can you find some of that plays as good defense
in the interior and shoot shoot the ball that wall?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I don't know if you can't. That's available, it's available,
and that's better. No, it's gonna be hard.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Who would you have over obviously a D anybody else
come to mind?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Right away? Not right away?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Cat defense can't play defense defense said defense to.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I was a super val. I was just thinking he is.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
That's also why we say we need it more out
of him, because we know what he can do, and
if he plays up to his potential, they easily Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
See that game.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
That's what I'm saying. I think if you lose Miles,
I don't know what you do.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
You're not you're not rebuilding mode, bro. But they're not competing.
They're not competing for a championship at all.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
As it just gives you another element that helps tyrese
in the long run, because when you're not able to,
when you got mouse who can shoot the three, it
just brings a lot more spacing than a normal big Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
I mean, mister JJ, trip trip J. It's not a
bad one.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
He's available. So we gotta say say that, we gotta
say we got, We gotta hold on, hold.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
On, forget Memphis in general. Did you guys see how
much money Triple J losso.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
On over over.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Not getting by one vote, two hundred million dollars. It
went from one, It went from three forty five to
one forty seven.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
That's sick by one vote. That's sick work. But I
know he was sick.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
And if you played in a bigger market, he gets.
I want out of Memphis. If I'm no disrespe.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Were talk, we'll talk about it, Jesus, And I think
they finna do a good job of blowing it up too.
I'm gonna say that, go ahead and say that we're going.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
We got.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
We'll get there a topic and a half to get there.
But do we think Indiana can steal Game five? Do
we think it is possible?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's gonna be tough? And if so, what do they
need to do to steal Game five.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
If anybody says yes, his name isn't Charlie, he's gonna
ask for a hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know, I got okay See, I got okay See winning.
But do you think it's a landslide?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I don't think it's going to be any more blisses
the rest of the series.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know what's crazy. I've seen something the same way
the series that okay See and Denver went. It's exactly
how it's going with Indiana.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
And if we're going by.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
That, okay See blitzed the hell out of Denver in
game five, I see the same result here.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I see any blitz because it's hard.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
It's hard to come back from that loss, to bounce
back from that loss, and then to go in Okase.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
First of that boy crack win.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, you gotta understand, you know what I mean. Father's
Day yesterday on the.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Water, Yeah, I forgot. I forgot happy as well. I
told him tell you too.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah you know, father, you know I had a good time.
Appreciate you, proud shirt.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
I see yes, sir, Yes, I'm Aw'm no.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Ahead. I needed two ax' up.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Hey see me? Do you think do you think it
is a if in Miana fuks around wins tonight is
it over? I don't see Indiana winning, bro, but just
hypothetically they win. But the this if, let's say, if

(15:03):
they win though, and it's three two and you got.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
They're gonna finish it at Indiana. Yeah, he's gonna go
to games to me's gonna go anyway. Game six and
getting in Indiana, I don't, but we get closed.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
It's getting close out in Indiana. Yeah, you guy said
twenty fifteen Warriors comparison.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Web wins series. The damn you hear myself. I got
some so I need to goggles. You got to go
you pause? No, no, no, no no. But the way
you be pausing, that's a that's a properly possible. You
would have paused anything us.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
My ship is Yeah, you're right, but I didn't want to.
I didn't want to in some lemon Yeah, yeah, I
didn't want to rupt you like that. But I was
crazy and pepper, Lemon Pepper is crazy. My for my
full chap. I've got what you was even saying. I
thought I forgot too. We were saying. We were saying,

(15:58):
either way, it's gonna get finished in Indiana. But we
were saying why.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
You know what's crazy, though, hold on is that I
was a firm believer that Indiana hasn't lost twice in bro. Yeah,
and it's looking like this is the first time they're
gonna lose twice. I'm a big I want Indiana to win, understand,
I want you to do.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Do you have any more money on them winning? Nah?

Speaker 4 (16:24):
You haven't got no more?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
No? No, I'm okay. You know we we we we
make more contracts straight here you No.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
I'm more asking is this a financially motive you know decision?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Or is this no?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
This is just a basketball No. Basketball. Been around the
game for a long time to know that it's very
difficult to win at OKAC and it's hard for Indiana
to bounce back.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
The fashion that they lost. Stealing would be so hard.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
It's hard, exactly actly so, And okay, so knows that. Yo,
they're capable enough to beat us. Let's just let's just
take charge of this game and make it happen.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
So I must say this, I think it would have
been better if they just got blitzed.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
They're gonna get blitzed Game five, Bro, what you got
They're gonna get blitzed.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Any chance Indiana steals this game?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Uh no, I think I think it's one of those
things you gotta the way momentum works and this is
how I Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I think they're gonna be blited tonight. Yeah, there you go.
Your Mike's mute or it unplugged. Come on they crack.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Oh that's another fun every episode the.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
You got you, that's another fine.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
To the ball.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Charlie is just trying to get his I'm trying to
tell you he moving like a my member.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, bro, I'm gonna start sending money envelopes. We need
to get Charlie the stresses to the ball.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I your facts. That'll be tough talking to people. Make
the sure we'll take off line. We'll talk off line.
I think I think.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I think, Uh, Indiana's used their get one still one.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, you use their get one. I think yeah, because.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I just don't see them losing game seven and fucking okay, see,
I just don't see that.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
That's hard. That's hard to do. He said, it's gonna
be losing game seven and okay, see hessing.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh, so let me this the losing to night and
I think Indiana can win Game six and then it's
gonna go game seven.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Have we seen a typical Indiana just blitz you from
every angle from the free ball game yet, because I
don't think we haven't seen.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
That, not in this series. They did it. They did
it once in Cleveland series and game one.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
No, I mean that was a meltdown like that was whatever.
I mean, like actually all game where they're just cooking, Like, yeah,
they're cooking because there's a couple of things I always see.
Is it because Okaye's defense is too good and they're
just able to prevent that, or do you think, Okay,
the Pacers just haven't had a vintage game like that yet.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
The combination both because like you can diminish with okay
C's defense is doing They're they're really fucking like and
a lot of times I think they haven't played as
well defensively this series, but they'll show spurts where like, yeah,
they still can losh it down if they need to.
Last series, last series, what we saw was a defensive
master class, Like we can run film on that for

(19:38):
years on how they played them.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I agree. I think uh, I think uh Indiana is just.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
I don't think they're the way they play is for
everybody to eat at one time. I think it's like,
all right, who has it going tonight? And then once
you figure it out, you just keep going to him
because you gotta think they really only they usually have
like two guys go big and then everybody else goes
like ten fifteen points, nothing too crazy, you.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Know what I'm saying. So I think it's one of us.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
If you want to steal the night, it's gonna be
your Stars type of game. It's gonna be bron Kyrie
type of night. It gotta be your two head honchos
just say fuck it, y'all gonna have to ride with us,
and we don't find a way to steal a game.
I think that's the only way you can win a game.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Five. In my opinion, your stars just got to be
better than the other team.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Are even even legit number one options in your opinion? No,
they both feel like more like secondary options.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
To me, How are you gonna say that and say I.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Was gonna say that.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
You cannot say he's not a number one, say he's that's.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
A good point.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
But I'm gonna say this because Indiana's base they do
their thing off committee, right, They do the thing. You
don't know who you're gonna get it from. But I
think we should be talking about it. They bench, that's
what we should be talking about. They needed more from
Smith last year, and they need a little bit more
yup from him. They need a little bit more from
any from from everyone.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
But no, the game, this game five on the road,
you need a Kyrie Lebron twenty sixteen forty.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's gonna have to be Tyrese and Neie Smith. They're
gonna have to like you to get buckets and gonna
have to not act like he does not play basketball. Yo,
he does that some time. He does like it's crazy
because he's really good. But then he forgets how to
play basketball for like a spur of time.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Miss three free throws in the world and crazy, that's like, bro,
what do you do?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
You're like a you're like a seventy to throw. That's
not like you're a bad free throw shot either.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
I mean to his defense, I mean, he's had some
some great games this series, so like he's a good player.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
That's why you can't allow that to happen because you
because we know you are good, So like, why are
you forgetting out for basketball now, like saying, we just
need you to do the best, but we need you
to play, like just make the right plays in a
certain moment.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Has anyone gotten over thirty points in this series from Indiana?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
If so?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
It was it was one game. Look was the game? No,
because the game when he sucked he just.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
No, No, he hasn't. He's he hasn't had over thirty
I know that for sure.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, it's hard I think against Okay s Bro Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
He had eighteen twenty two. And I'm going to say, I.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Told y'all, whatever bench plays the best, there you go
majoritly majority of time wins because I like, we were
raving about Benedict the game before before that, we was
raving about Aaron Wiggins the game before that, we were
raving about Obie like Caruso, whoever Caruso like, whatever bench

(23:05):
plays the best is going to have the best chance
to win this game because both of these teams are
really good.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Don't you feel like you know, in the past these games,
as I said, like you know when Katie went to
go steal Game three on the road versus the Cavs.
Remember when Stephan Clay played poorly, he had like closer
forty ball. Obviously, I messing Kyrie and Kyrie and Lebron
what they did in Game five and the twenty sixteen
finals on the road, Like, I feel like these signature
moments always have you need the superstar to step up

(23:33):
on the road.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
If yeah, Tyree's Halliburn goes for forty triple dub wins
and then has a chance to close it out back
at the crib, he's top ten, he's closer to as
he's closer to a superstar leupl in my opinion, is
he closer to top ten? No, no, I don't think

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he's close to the top ten.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
He's closer to a super star because these are these are.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Won't be top ten. But guys, hold the superstars.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
And hold hold no, no, no, exactly.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Hold on hold the magic. Johnson said it very clearly,
y'all here heard what Magic said right off his statement,
you have to be able to sell out stadiums to.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Be a superstar. Yeah. I agree that's the case.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's really only like three stars and at least but
that's my whole thing is like.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
You guys, no, no, no, no, no, no, hold up.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
I think there's I think there's level can set out
away stadiums.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
He didn't say your stadium, he said set outa That's
a good point.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
It's different.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Also, Burton, there's gonna be more hang on this episode.
So I don't really care about the chat.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah too much.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, but yo, But so guys think about this, right, superstar,
Kobe is a superstar. How many people had Kobe jerseys
in the opposite how many people have Lebron jerseys? How
much people had the way jerseys step jerseys, Like, that's
my whole thing. When when when I was making the
argument for you guys were superstars, like and you guys
thought I was craz I thought there's only six to
eight in the league. That's what I mean. Yeah, And
I don't think a lot of people are wearing Tatum

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jerseys that aren't from Boston.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Tatum is not like like that. I'm not saying he
don't deserve it. He niggas just don't like him like that.
I was just keep it in the buck. Niggas like
more than like Tatum and Tatum is that's that's there's
a lot of Tatum jerseys.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I'm gonna put that out there outside.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Of you're telling me that Boston.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
You're telling me the streets rocking with Tatum more than
Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Be for real, Come on, be for real, not saying
the streets.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
You're right, and so white is white America or black
or black?

Speaker 1 (25:43):
I'm saying streets, saying about and you're saying streets. I'm
saying white America and them little white kids, hallo, white
littlehite kids got jerseys? What you talking about? Don't have Cooper?
What do you What are you talking about? Bro?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
If you go look at see who's top selling jersey,
Jason Tatum's top five every year.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this right.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I want to go speak to some little kids the
other day and a little nigga asked me, do I
know Anthony Edwards?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
All right, let me give you all.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I keep saying, little nigga, it was a white kid.
I keep saying, it's a white kid.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
You got a point, you got a point. I'm wrong.
Jason Tatum's number four on the list. It's one, Luca two,
Steph three, Lebron four, Jason five, Jaalen.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Jaylor who Jalen Who said?

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Here's where I'd argue with the right when you walk
into a Mavericks game against Boston, the Maverick Stadium is
not packed with Jason Tatum jerseys. That's all I'm gonna say.
They might all be purchasing Boston jerseys.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I will tell you this.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
One that's not true, because there's a lot of Jason
Tatum's the lonest ten year player there. People love Jason
Tatum us as Hoopers and other the media y'all don't
find them as fond as other people do. That's fine,
or attractive as Anthony Edwards of all that people, boy,

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Jason Tatum jerseys.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I see a lot of Jason Tatum jerseys.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, that means his niggas is lying because everyone speaking.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
To niggas wear Tatum all the time. Who listen, you
got me everywhere else niggas do not be wearing shoes.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I don't believe that. I don't believe that I see
tatums all the time. I mean to all the time
to point at the end of the day. I mean,
the numbers don't lie. He's number four in.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
The jersey part.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
So you gotta show me the shoe. I don't know.
You gotta understand. You gotta understand too. Boston is like
l A when they going road games. So Boston's majority
have the saying fan base covered. When you going road games,
it's damn near at Boston crowd.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Wherever you go, you're saying that, Hey, you've ever been
to holiday, Derek White, you've been to a MAVs in
Boston game, MAVs in l A game all right, in
in in Dallas, y'all. It sounds like an away game
for that. Yeah, just crazy. Yeah, it is away. Yeah,

(28:27):
I know. They said his shoes selling, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
They say his shoe selling really well too. So he
just sat a bit of I mean give you, I'll
give you jersey numbers from last year. He's two in
sales last year in the US, three in Brazil, six
in Canada, which is very interesting. I don't know he
sells sells Jersey in Canada.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
But yeah, Halifax shout out. We're not shouting to Halifax.
We're not shouting them out Halifax. I'm my hater on Halifax.
Shout out to Peter and Kirk. They say it's the
best city in the world, but.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
That they're tripping. But yeah, but I got, like I said, Halifax.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Superstar come from superstars come from moments. Superstars come from
Momentsry's Haliberson. If he's top five and selling shoes and
selling jerseys, to me, he's a superstar. I can I
give it to him for sure, he's superstar. I just

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have to be a superstar. That was never a question, listen,
question just never like people. People, people are buying to
go see Tatum, Anthony Edwards, bron Kyrie.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
You know who. They're not doing that for Steph K.
They will next season, though they will next season, they will.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
He's in It's coming off party next season next.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Saying Hey, I'm just saying right now, they ain't doing
for when his nickname Hall not at all?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yes, I can look look again, I'm gonna say, have
y'all have y'all watched have y'all watched The Real Quick?
Have y'all watched the Osama Been Lying documentary?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
And it was like they.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Caught that nigga the Pacer, his his c I A
name was the Pacer, the Pacer, but in the garden,
in the garden guy, the c I A Guy was like, yeah,
we watched, we watched Osama been Lying for years and
every morning he would pace around his garden. So he's
called him the pacer in the garden. Hey man, shout
out the holiday it was meant to be. I'm rolling

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with the Halibanya she said, ro and.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Y'all wrong with the haliband Let us know. But let's
get to uh.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
He said, let's get off before we get in trouble.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Let's go to stop Foster because you know, Charlie's his
own No, I don't player clip.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
It's awful what some of the things I've seen about
about the officiating. It's got Foster in particular. I know
Scott Foster for thirty years. He's a great official. He's
done a great job in the playoffs. We've had him
a lot of times. And the ridiculous scrutiny that's being

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thrown out there is is terrible and an unfair and
unjust and stupid.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
RC trying to get on his good side. So yeah,
what he's doing psychology, you know what it's talking about.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Our c's been here before.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
He's like, damn, we're going to OKC game five, Scott
Foster is getting on. No way got Scott fosters in
game five. But if it goes to seven, Scott Foster
might be on. He will be in attendance, and you
know r C is gonna be like, hey, you remember
what I said.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
The officials today are John Goebel, Mark Davis, and James
william okay mm I like James Williams. I think I
mean Mark Davis is decent, right John?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Who's your favorite official that you that you ever?

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Who's the best official?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Pauls Dick, Oh, Dick vea?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
I gonna lie you paused, but I said his day
was crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Gary Zinsky is not a bad rap too. Dick was
my god, no home whoa even with no hold.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
But I still say like that, Nigga, Richard Brock was
my favorite name?

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Is Richard was my favorite official? Paul, Gosh, that's the
guy's name, Dick. What do you want me to say?
That's the guys? Is it not Richard? I thought that
was like for Richard, I know, but I don't know
him as Richard.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I know him as Nigga says his name is Dick.
I'm like, what's your actual government? I'm not calling you.
I'm not calling you that your government favorite official?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Like Dick? This is crazy? What is happening? Pause?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, that's crazy. You had if you edit that, that's
a Fried.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Bro. You know, we together.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Said, I now you got your carefully now, I now
I know that, I know the editing team. Now line now,
don't do me like that.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Now you got any thoughts thoughts on Scott on Scott Foster?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Oh that was wild, dude. What you're sapping on? Man?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I'm o j Bro okay o Jay Bro. I'm going
say this. That was the wildest three minutes.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I tried to stop him. I tried to stop. They
wouldn't bro going, no Diddy, I want to go viral.
I want to go viral. All right. We didn't even
want that. We did pause, but yeah, we did not

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want that.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
He was my favorite official. That was the that was
the question, was my favorite official. But you're just the
word you could have worded. That's so different.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
That's his name.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
You got anything on to Foster Field before we move
on from Charlie's madness.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Uh Man, Scott Foster listen, I'm being honest.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Do the numbers what the numbers say?

Speaker 4 (34:39):
His name is the extender, bro. That's a crazy the numbers.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
The numbers is insane. I mean they all show Scotty Boy,
not just the extended series. Just in case he could
get Game seven.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Check, yeah, he got his bread, he might. We gotta
we gotta check make sure he's not part of them.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
If Scott Boxters on the on the rock appreciating on
Game seven, who's winning now.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Indiana? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
I'd rather Shave be the face of the league than
pushing tyrees closer to that. So I think they I
think they pushed for Okay win. They for sure want
away before Who do you think the NBA would push
What do you guys think they want Okay se to win?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
For sure? No?

Speaker 4 (35:25):
But then again, Naptown is a bed for basketball.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, that's a that's a great question because it's like.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
They're both small market teams, but Knaptown produces hoops?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
They do? They do? They do? I can name something, Yeah,
probably Indiana. Niggain.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
They got Michael Jackson. That's their favor. Good m J
is from Gary, Indiana?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Really is he?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
You didn't know that, y'all, look up? Look up Freddy
Gibbs speaking on Michael Jackson going back from.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Gary, Indiana.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Y'all didn't know that he really from get bro y'all
gotta look at the stories about him going back to.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Gary, Indiana. Gary Indiana. Gary. You never heard of Gary, Indiana.
There's a lot of any city that's like a person's name, Gary,
Freddy gives from there.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
There's a lot of people from Gary, Indiana, Gary, And
there's a lot of famous people from Gary, Indiana.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Actually they got hoods and Gary Gary is hood.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, it is Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, hold on Gary.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson to the crips. I'm not joking,
y'all don't know notice it. I'm not really y'all didn't notice.
Gary Indiana is the trenches, bro.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yes, it is the vice lords and the crips from
Yes what.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
You're not gonna be good.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
The trenches broke.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Mike from the Trenches, Bro. I know Brooklyn, I know Queens.
That's what I know. The Bronx, Michaels from the Trenches,
from Marion, Zebra from Marian. But yeah, that's crazy what
y'all learned something every day? I guess, Hey, we're fat
o from from from the Bronx Brox. Right, Yeah, that

(37:05):
was that was hello. I was waiting for the.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
People say you sound like fat Joe in the chat. Yeah,
somebody said you sound like fat Joe in the chat
Bro New York. Yeah, all right, let's.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Get to the next Joe. Bet. Joe had a statement
that was keep us in line, home keepers in line.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Have any last words on the finals because we're moving
on after this.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Uh, paces and seven. Whoever wins today wins this series.
Paces and seven, you got anything? Okay? See in seven,
I'm with I'm with Charlie on that, all right, seven
when you got home? Okay?

Speaker 4 (37:45):
See in six, Okay, you got a hunch. Stop asking
me for that. Bros already took my.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Wabble up.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Charlie, you're ready money, I'm done giving you my money.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Bro, I want to wrestle to the Baja Phades. All right,
but next we got a little sweepstakes going on. You
know what I'm saying, KD the ship getting sweeter by
the day. Pause, Yeah, look, hey, look that ship. You
can't say pause, you can't talk, Charlie.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Phoenix lost that one, even though Katie came out and said,
uh his uh, you know personal favorite places he wants
to go to Phoenix that they will still make the
best deal for them in the franchise. First of all,
how do we feel about statement, you know, being such
a big Superstar liked he's going to Toronto.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
He's going to Toronto, but I heard Toronto wasn't one
of the teams.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
No Toronto's in there meers, they said, because at the
end of the day, what I heard from that statement
is Phoenix doesn't care about what Kevin Durant wants. Is
not going to whichever team gives him the best offer,
will take and I think Toronto will take a gamble.
Like Missid has been bold with all his trades, so's Toronto.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I don't think he's going to San Antonio anymore. I
want him to, but I don't think that's that.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Don't give Houston seems like they can give him the
best return.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I think. I think Houston's good team.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
The team that I think he should go to is
the Clippers.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I heard that the Clippers.

Speaker 7 (39:23):
James trade him and James James Harden and have Book
the other point guard.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
They need a center. They need a center too. Though
they do need a center. That's the biggest issue.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
You can't give him, you can't give not give up him.
But if you're able to get at James and Kti trade,
then you you can just go get you a center.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I think that would be very enticing. You're gonna play
for James.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Who's going to take over james spot?

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, I'm not wrong. I don't like.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
I don't like for either either team. I don't like
that deal. I don't like for either team. So in
that you can still get your point guard. Uh you know,
I mean you can go get Strolder, you can go
get Like I said, it depends the timetable of what
the Clippers are.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I don't like that. I don't think why it's three
you said what clearly two or three more years? Maybe? Yeah,
the best time is really Denver. That's who that. I mean. Yeah,
you have Jamal, but I don't think that we're gonna

(40:36):
make a big splash Jamal. I mean I would do it.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
But I'm just saying that they have a new do
they have a new gym yet?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I don't know. Can you imagine, Katie.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
And I'm just going off the teams. I'm just going
off the teams. We know, Yeah, I say Clippers.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Who is Burden one of Charlie's homies. He's always in
the chat? My god, always we talk.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Too much? Deal too much? I needed too much? What
are you talking about it too much? Can you give
me too much.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Hell yo, I'm doing my special order.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Okay, special too much?

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Home guys, out of the options, out of the options,
who's the actual best fit for Katie?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I think it's Houston. I think Toronto.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
No, I just have a feelings I will give up here.
I was talking with my homeboy the other day about this.
I think Houston makes the most sense because they can
give up a center, and they can give up another player.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
You're not going to give up who theyre going to
give up. They just signed Steven Adams.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
But that Steven Adams is like, he ain't going.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
For Katie.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I'm not giving up singing for kt.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I'm not giving up trade Steven Adams.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
They're not training Steven Adams.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
He just signed him. I know you way, you can't.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Trade until Christmas time, right, there's some rules in the
for real I think so for real. I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I don't know. I didn't know about that. I don't
know about that. I don't think that because why I
would trade sing gum?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
What you're going to give up a young time? They
deal with the young town given.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I'm saying, like, you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't give
you one or two.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
You wouldn't trade Jalen Green. I'll trade you Jen. You
think you can win the championship? Get you think you
could get a championship with san Gun?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yes, if you build other pieces around them, if you
have the main focal point, obviously you got KD there,
you can is a problem with me.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
He the one kept them in the goddamn here with
a problem. They would have what the number two? They
only didn't win because fucking Jalen Green. And do anything.
Let's talk about the lineups.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
If you get rid of sangoone, you probably have to
trade Jaalen Green, right, probably two of them. You're gonna
have Fred van vliet Amen eight, Steven Adams. That's not
the championship cour to me.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
That's what I'm saying. You don't trading Goo. Now you
trade Stephen.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Adams, you trade trade Parker, you trade Green and picks
I think, and a pick gets done with.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
You get two young sos and you saw what fucking
Memphis got for fucking game.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Maybe maybe maybe two first rounds then maybe too, because
again you give him two good young players.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
That should be the standard.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
So guys, let's go back to THEO. Is that a
championship core to you. I don't hear championship corps.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
What Van Fleet, Thompson and KD forget Brooks, Dylan Brooks
and Brooks.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I mean, you keep but if you keep saying goon,
I'm saying no, I'm saying you keep saying goon, and
you trade Green, Jabari and Steven Adams and two first
round picks.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
You can't trade Steve Sayon and Green.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
You're saying you get rid of Green, okay, since then scrapped,
then scraped Stephen Adams, Jabari Parker, Green and Mary Smith, Yes,
and then have very many these first one picks. Nasty,
But but you don't because you want to pair Jail
and Green with Devin Booker.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
That's weird. What's a weird than what you trade Van
Vliet that's nasty.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
He's going to Houston. It's all said, if if Phoenix,
if I don't, if I don't get saying goo, why
would you want anybody else?

Speaker 4 (44:39):
I don't want anybody else out in sanguine on the roster.
Devin Booker, why Jail Green?

Speaker 3 (44:43):
You would exactly ask you guys, you wouldn't want anybody
Devin Booker was a Houston would you're not getting Thompson.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
You're not getting Thompson. There's no way you're getting better not.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah, to think about this, If Devin Booker was a
Houston Rocket, Houston Rockets, probably it's beating Golden State, oh
for sure. So why why would you want Jalen Green?

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Beside that? Mm hmm h Why to san Antonio? Why? What?

Speaker 7 (45:14):
How?

Speaker 1 (45:14):
San Antonio makes sense either? I mean, that's what I
just said. I don't think he goes san Antonio. What
you mean? It makes a lot of sense for san
anton Did y'all see that?

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Jemmy Sohan is posting the phoenix?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Who do you get? But who do you trade?

Speaker 4 (45:28):
You?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
You give up.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Castle, I think a bunch of picks. And so if
you give up Sohan, Castle, Vasel and a couple of picks,
I think that gets a job. Get a big man,
a big man, I mean you. They're looking for the best.
You could trade those four big men as well. Right,
obviously they want a center. But that's a good If

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you get v Cell, Castle and a bunch of I
can see him being a spur. I just I just
think Toronto will overpay for him. Because MASSI makes bold moves.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
What do they have. I'm just saying, what.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
They're gonna keep about Dick, They're gonna get rid of him.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
I think you can give up purpose Grady Dick. You
can't just hit Grady. That's what he said. This his
last name.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Purpose, first name is Grady. Last name is Dick. We
had never called the big about his last name. Be
for real, mister, what all players amen Thompson?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
We say Thomson, but we know why there's a tom
what's his first We don't even know his first?

Speaker 1 (46:42):
But you know, you know what you're doing. You know what.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
San Antonio has the most assets. So here's the thing.
San Antoni has the most assets. But I don't see r. C.
Buford giving up too much. He's always been a really
smart gem. He's never given up too much. He's never overpaid.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
And they necessarily need, No, they didn't.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
They need Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant and Wemby and Deren Fox.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I'm saying, but they can get someone else who's not
Kevin Durrant, and I think that still puts them over.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I'll tell you this, Paul George Miami out of here
A lot someone's in Miami in the chat. I don't
like Miami who I don't like trading. They don't have
any fucking body.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
They probably give up Andrew, but they got a lot
of people actually give up Andrew.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Miami.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
The Miami Heat are like the Brooklyn Nets the other Yeah,
that's the Miami Heat team. They bet they got a
bunch of good players over there. I just don't fit
on the same piece. May Aaron Wiggins, Alec Burks, Kyle Anderson,
slow Mo. You got Terry Rozier who didn't play hot

(47:49):
cas Is over there.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Nunc and Robinson. You got fucking Tyler Herro. They got
a lot of pie. They got a lot of people.
I forgot how Smiths.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
So do y'all think Do y'all think he actually goes?
I don't think Miami is a contender with Kevin Durran.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I don't think it makes them significantly. I think you
gotta move Tyler hero too and find a point. Damn.
I think they gotta blow that up.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
There's no there's no move. It's not just KD. Though
it won't be just him go somewhere.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Something else will be following Miami.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
That's why I do think That's why I kind of
agree with like, if it is Toronto, that.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Would not be the only thing. They do have to
go to Toronto too.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
It's probably putting going to Toronto.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
How the training? No key, no key? I like bo
bowing in Toronto. Why do I like that? Talking about?
Are you? I like whole time? I like him in
Toronto time? Who the fuck is thinking about right now?

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I am why he's in Phoenix right.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
He's trying to say Phoenix. Yeah, he's in Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I like him because I think that will be that
would be.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I think he's an asset bro low key, get it,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I like Bobo. I just I just didn't know what
I was coming from, Like why you think? Why am
I talking about Bobo? Because I'm like, how does the trade?
Because what I'm saying, how many picks you have to give.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
It for both of these niggas, Like eight picks you
give up your whole future, You give up your whole
Scotty Barns for Giannis gets the job done and picks.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Scotti Burns is a young talent, He's an all star.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I'm not listen. You got b I you got b
I and uh and Scottie Barnes over there. Yeah, that's nasty.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I'm not do it if I get rid of Scotty
and put anytime aout to open the trading quickly in
r J.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
But you gotta keep some of these niggas. Do you
think what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Like, do you think r J and b I get
it done for Phoenix and two picks?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yes for Phoenix, Yes for k D.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yes, But Yanna's ask price is gonna be stiff because
one they're not even trying to trade the nigga.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I think you can get a man, I mean's quick,
but and Barnes and a couple of picks.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
The team is not trying to trade a nigga asking prices.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
But no, no, no, no, listen, they're not trading him
because Giannis hasn't said anything yet. Second gets win as
soon as he gets wind of like the KD there,
we are this close to getting k D.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
But he needs to know if you're going. Jannis will
pick up that phone and be like, uh, fuck it,
you know, yeah, I'm with him. Listen, Toronto. If there's
one thing we know Toronto will do, they'll do it.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Will go all in for one year on year, they
will find a way to get back.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
But hold, hold the hold the whole. We're gonna say,
MESSI you Jerry. Let's he's the real mastermind Byer not Toronto.
MESSI you Jerry is not a scared to make.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
You heard it here first. Though the man might be
a kat might be a Clipper.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
No, No, that's garbage. Deal. No, I don't know even
I just don't like it.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
I gotta, I gotta. I got a weird team.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
If there's a coach that if there's a coach, if
there's a coach that get the best out of Kevin
durant is.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
So let me ask you, guys, I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
I got a sleeper team content. I mean, I called
him pretenders.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Is there any way he goes for Jared Allen and
some pieces to Cleveland?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
They have the pieces, I think Alan Garland Allen, and then.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I will take that if I was I would.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
I'm just saying like, I don't.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Think k wants to be even with that situation.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I think he just wants to be there. He wants
because you.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
But do you care?

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Think about it? I think he cares in his career.
Katie cares about where he's playing.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeah, no, no, I'm saying think about where he's saying,
you care if you're Cleveland to give your chance to win?

Speaker 1 (52:04):
You got him for one year, Cleveland, like do you care?
Like the Quai the Qui experiment, Like we talked.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
About, well you know if you Cleveland, know because when
the next time you go, it's Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
That's my whole point is Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
And when he get compared, I wish you. Yeah, I
agree with you, saying, Hume.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And when he get compared a lot with Lebron Cleveland. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
So I'm just I'm just throwing all the sleeper team
because they're contender. They have pieces that might be able
to get it done.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
But let's start out to head over to the next thing.
Anybody got anything left on Katie. I think this deal
gets done a lot sooner than later.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
They said this week it should be done.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, And they said before the draft. It'll be done
before the draft. And the draft is what next week?
That's fire?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I think yeah, next week, yeah, next Thursday, I think, yeah,
it'll be done before the draft.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
I think all right, let's talk about a finished trade blockbuster.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
First of all, there was two blockbuster trades in both
American sports.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
By the way, Yes, and.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
If you don't know, if you if you guys don't know,
that's not the equivalent of like Luca getting sent to
l A.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
But that's like.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
If a franchise player another franchise, like Friends of Places
got sent for like no reason, like no reason at all.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
The reason he was wild reason. What do you do
he didn't want to be at the beginning of the year. Yeah,
he was like truant too. That is true. That's true.
That's true.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
We're talking football right now. No, baseball.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I was, it was it was a transition. I'm going
that quick. But that's been bane to the Magic. There
were first there were four first round picks involved and
two or three good players K C P and who
else called Anthony, Called Anthony, Yeah, call Anthony. Do we

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think that the Magic overpaid for him?

Speaker 1 (53:54):
No? Why do you think so?

Speaker 4 (53:57):
I don't think it's good trade. But Michale got five
and Desi band mckel kind of similar, similar, So I
do think they overpaid, but buy in context what's been
dealt in the past. I think it was on market price.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
That's fair to share, that's fair to say that it
is fair to say. I think Orlando definitely got better though,
for sure, but it kind of hinders their future.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Theo what what do you believe? How do you feel
about the value? That one was kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
It's kind of like a k CP can really fuck
this whole ship up.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
K CP was not playing well at all.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
If he goes back to Denver KCP Memphis one, they're like,
all right, we got the funk we need. We got
a defender, got a shooter. Pretty much may thing Ban
did Bank create a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Which what's kind of like KCP is a way to
better a defender. True, but he can also what you said, that.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Means a better on the ball creator, isn't he He
could run a point if he wanted to.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
He can run the point. That's that's where it's different.
K c P can run. But they might just be like, Yo,
we got Pipping and we got Joah. Those are guys.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Those are guys we created, and you know they might
go into the draft and do some ship. I don't
fucking know. I mean, it's a new beginning for Bane.
I think it'd be good for him now.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Okay, but my next thing is when Hurst believes that
it was a rebuilding trade, which means that, yeah, they
got Scottie, Pippen and Job, but they're saying today niggas
won't be there.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Basically is Memphis trying to join the Katie sweepstakes.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I think there's more to come. This trade basically solidify
that there's more to come in Memphis for sure. I mean,
what the.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Question is, what are they going to do with JJ
and Trip Trip. J is out of there, bro, He's
out of it. I don't think he wants to be
in Memphis somewhere, So there you go. I wouldn't want
to be in Memphis if I lost.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
So I have a I have a I have a
little twist here, right. I don't think they're necessarily rebuilding.
I think they're loading up for another trade. I don't
think it's Fady, You're honest.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
No, I think they go there something like Paul George.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I think I think they'll get Zion. Oh that was
a good one. I think he get Zion. Think about it.
I can. And he wanted to team up with his
boy with Jah play. It was play. It's play on
the same a team.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
I can see that happening, you know, Ray gonna be
in Memphis often, he's gonna have to coach the staff,
coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Damn right, guys, triple agent, we start calling a triple agent.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
He no cap though I can. I like, I like that, Uh,
I think could.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I think it's time for Memphis though, it might be
time for something new out of there. Y.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, three years ago. I don't buy the next the
next Western Conference team up. John was I think behind
in the West.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
He was crazy, like it's really it's really it really
feels like it's.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Time like just a new regime. Uh, new start for John,
new start for JJ. Triple j he been there for long,
I don't know how.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Many years, so let I think it would be good
for him both.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I think it'd be good from both.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
I just read something talking about the Knicks would love
a carl and uh Jared Jackson. First of all, that
would be insane, but I like that would be nice.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
You trade, you trade who McHale og and some picks
and maybe like another player in there, like.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
I think Oji. I think Ogi just signed a deal,
so you probably go get McHale.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
McHale younger, good leader. Yeah, he doesn't get he won't
get in trouble in Memphis. Yeah, you're gonna play eighty
two games.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I know if Michale get traded this summer, he's gonna
be pissed.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I don't see him getting traded. This dude, shit, he
can't stay anywhere.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
I'm gonna say this. I'm saying this is valuable.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I think I'm trying to tell you this is gonna
be the wildest off season we have ever seen because
I think it's I think it's niggas that we're not
even talking about him, thinking about who the ones is there?

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Really gonna be more wild off season twenty sixteen. I think, yes,
you reason why to say this because I think it's niggas.
I think it's certain niggas that we're talking about who's
not gonna get traded. I think a certain niggas that
we aren't talking about that are going to get traded.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I think that's what's gonna happen, and it's gonna I don't.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Think we're talking about Joel Embiid enough.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
That's really sing. I think it's gonna be like you said,
James traded.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
I don't know, y'all. Twenty sixteen, Solomon Hill got fIF
DMS all right, Katie, Katie went to fucking war here.
I don't know twenty about as far as like surprising trades,
but because ship so, no one thought Bang was gonna
get traded for four first rounds Solomon Hill got fifty
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
True, but it's the first trade. This is the first
little domino. Bro, This is this and this set the
like market of what we finished.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Those are just bad contracts though, but bad scene. That's
part of a crazy have we ever seen trades happen?

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Like when when when the final sign is still going on,
like it's like a big one though we haven't seen.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Like you know, this is definitely early. This is definitely early.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, y'all got a point there, y'all that this is
the first domino, big domino that's gonna fall.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Oh yeah, I agree. This is a lot is gonna
make some changes.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Man, because when her said that, he even said he
was like, nah, bro, what you think is gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (59:41):
It's not eve gonna happens. For the be the fact
that the fact that the fact that Kad might be
traded before draft the draft is fucking insane, and not
even they get before the draft. They damn gear. Yeah,
they're like, he's probably gonna get traded. Like, but I
just said, I just saw that they weren't excited about
any of the offers they got for many of those teams.

(01:00:02):
I mean, the Nigga is thirty six, That's that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Like the Katie ship, I can see Toronto doing that
Katie ship because they just have to give him above
average offer and they will get it done. The Jannie
one is the one. I'm like, I'm up in the
air about the Gianna's one. I think I think that's
where to me if if Katie gets traded to Toronto,

(01:00:26):
I think that's where we see another guy that we
weren't thinking about, like an.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Embiid or some ship that gets traded there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Not Gianna's. I don't think is really gonna be. Yeah,
that's just my opinion. That's how I feel about that.
They said Toronto's open to trading R. J. Barrett Quickly
and Yaka Pearle Yako portal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Jacob is name Jacob is jakab Jaka. I could have
sworn it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
He's from from Australian No, Austria, Austria, Austria.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yeah, where's Austria.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Austria is Uh, it's in Europe, but I forgot exactly where.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Uh, I never heard of it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
It's by a Croatia.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
But I'm a history nerve, I'm I'm not. I don't
want to sound history someone who says I want to
go to Austria.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Well, anyways, does this Does this move the Magic into
the top three in the East? Are they contenders now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Maybe top four? I don't top They got better. They
got better, for sure, they got better.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
They're they're for sure not going to be in the
play in I say that they're not going to be
a playing team anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
They didn't lose much either, other than picks, they didn't
lose much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
And those are they didn't really use the much. Yeah,
I can see them. I mean they went to the
basically got a younger KCP.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Way way better offensively, the worst than a way better.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I mean, the thing is they are pretty good defensively
as a course, where like it won't be like a
wash or anything like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
It's not too it's not too big of a difference.
I feel like this opens up the floor for polo. Yeah,
a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
It's gonna we're gonna see if this is really gonna
be his year to like really rise.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
But do you miss that veteran presence from KCP, because,
as we talked about, that's a really important when you're
trying to go from good to great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I mean, I'm gonna say this right, let's say this.
It's not like Bain is that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Fucking young either, he's like twenty six. No, he's young
like your father.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Yeah. Yeah, so he played in some big series though,
That's what I'm saying. It's not like he's just like
he got another ten years plus cool.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
No, Camp'm saying he's experienced, which I get. Yeah, I'm
just saying like he's not like a he also from Indiana,
he's not a way.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Yeah, trying to tell your niggas Gary Indiana from Richmond
and Gary.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Another first name Richmond? Rich What Richmond? That's right, Charlie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
What are your thoughts? Are they a top top team
in the East? Can they make up I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Think Orlando's ye, your top top five? Top five? For sure?
They tough five.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
They got better because let's talk about this. How they're
playing style. I think they're playing styles fit with Bang
really well. France plays in France.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Remember Orlando's well coached to man and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
You had Mosley, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I had him in Dallas. He's solid man, and I
know the players like playing for him, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
The tough thing about it. The tough thing too is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Even with Cole going to Memphis like that helps him out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
But they got him John and Pipping and I feel
like they got another guard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Over there too, Jen and Wells. Is the three right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
They got that rookie, a young boy well as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
That's three.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
They got Jackson g Jackson Jacksons he was hurt from
your year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, they got some people they can go get. I'm
saying they gonna get somebody. They got some pieces.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I think. I think j J J C what you can.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Get for him, and then I think you gonna get
There's more moves to come.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
For sure. I think they keeping, they keep y and
be taken for the bans.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
You think so, I mean, Josh, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
You get rid of all them new regime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
I think you keep ja, get rid of everybody else.
You just get a new cast because you have so
many many pieces. I think you should get a new cast.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
If I was job man, I will request you think,
so it's time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Let me it's time. It's time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
And it's like, if you're Memphis, how after the record,
how can you say you trust Joe as your superstar.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Over j J? Correct? How can you say you trust
you know what I'm saying, wanted to be the star. Honestly,
he's been there. I mean he's not. I'm just talking.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I'm just talking. He's not a superstar. I'm just saying
somebody who at least gonna be there majority of.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
The Knights, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the case.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
And and Josh's history. He ain't been healthy the past
two years, two three years.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
That is true. Yeah, he's been getting hurt a lot.
I think you did you do you just blow that
ship up and take the picts.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
I know y'all keep saying no, but I just try
to swap him for Trey. Train J and Trip J
would be a nice combo. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Imagine what what you could do with Trip J. Bro.
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say this though, in the West,
lay in for Memphis, play in Yeah, in the West,
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
But if I'm Trey, I would stay in the East.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
I would say in the East for sure. But he
don't have a choice though he doesn't. True, but he
has a choice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
True.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
True, it's time. It's time for a change of scenery
for both of those guys. We've all said it. I'm
not saying that's a deal, but I'm saying if.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
You think that John Morant would have a better career
in that. I didn't say that. I said I didn't
did I want to say. I'm not saying you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I'm just saying, like as far as like the GM,
like what I be looking at him, like, what do
you think is going to happen?

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
But it's it's just time for a trade for both
those players. Both those players need to move on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
True.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
No, yeah, I agree. I would have I would have
liked to see that again in Orlando. Okay, I thought
that would have been a good place.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
I think we've all said that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I think Zion, Trey and John they all need some
type of good store.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
It's time, bro, she's been confisentrated. Keep doing the same
shit over and over. It's a different result. What are
we doing? Like, what are we doing? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
So the next topic, this is some I don't know,
this is a good topic. What's one word you would
use to describe Jiannis's career if he doesn't win another
title UNDERT Chiever.

Speaker 8 (01:07:23):
Undert Chiever, I'm gonna tell you why. It's one of
the greatest players to ever played the game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Over the last.

Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
Four years, minimum two hundred games, Yanna second in the league,
thirty point four points per game, fifth in the league,
eleven point seven rebounds per game, fifth amongk qualifies a
fifty eight percent from the field and nine All NBA
selections in his career, nine All Star selections and top

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ten finishes in league MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Voting nine times.

Speaker 8 (01:07:59):
And he did, and he has more of that in
postseason series wins.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
That's unacceptable. It's not his fault.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
I'm not in any way pointing to him, but what
he's not doing, I'm saying that you don't look at
somebody that dominant, that fantastic, with that kind of fire
in his belly to compete on a night and night
out basis and all you have is one championship to
show for it. He's got one playoff series win in
the last four years, and his fault, he's hurt a

(01:08:28):
couple of times.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I disagree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I disagree with it because you can't say he's an
underachiever and then say follow it up with he's one
of the greatest players in the world. Look, you're saying
you can't say that, you can't do that. You're one
of the greatest players in the world. But you're an
underachiever only because he has one. But he has a championship.

(01:08:55):
You know how many superstars superstars don't have a championship
chip too. So is James Harding under achiever? Is Russell
Westbrook under achiever? He might be Charles Barkley was underachiever.
Tracy McGrady under Tracy McGrady definitely underachieved.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
I mean he hurts times for.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
Sure, but he underachieved and the aspect of his career.
But he did say it's not his fault. He said,
injuries have gotten the way. But if you look at
we're not looking at his individual play. He's talking about
his team success. He's underachieved. In that context, he has underachieved.
Something like Giannis, you think should have three four titles.
How dominant he is same with those those are that

(01:09:33):
dominant where you feel like they should have multiple titles.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
But it has to be a different word. It has
to be a different crazy are you under man unders? Yeah,
I'm an MVPs gout scoring scoring titles, double check. He
got to MOVs Defensive Ship year. Yeah he got hit.

(01:09:58):
Come on, his accolades is crazy, even for seven first teams. Yeah,
underchiever is crazy. Okay? Is he on crack? But does it?
I get Yes, that's where he's right. The team achieved

(01:10:19):
he is not. He is not an underachiever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
That's the fact that he even brought them a championship
is a blessing in itself, all right, So happy about that.
He is done way more than people can even dream of.
So he is far from underachieved. The man is achieved enough.
If he stopped right now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Hall of Fame first ballot, he ain't under achieved. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Now, all you can really say is like, team success
has not been where you would think his number the
way his numbers look, they have not been. They don't
match up. But that just comes better teams around him.
That's just how it. That's just how it worked. But
as far as the dominant force, everyone will always know

(01:11:12):
who Gianni is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Everybody I would say to you guys, like when you
think of of him, me and camera having the debate earlier.
Where's he ranking your power forwards right now? If he
stopped playing three after KG and Tim Duncan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
I had him at four.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
You have Dirk ahead him. I don't have ahead of him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I don't have him Dirk. Yeah, don't. Dirk's ahead of him.
I don't say you don't I said today, I don't
he said today. I say all. I say, you gotta understand.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
The eye test matters to me. To Dirk only play
one side of the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Ball, right, But Dirk is top six in scoring.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Is Dirk's best season is twenty six and nine. He's
averaging thirty two and twelve regularly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Yeah, I'm gonna say this though, yet that nigga Dirk
beat problem Lebron and Dight though.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Let me say that at the end of at the
end of the day. Yeah, I listened. You're splitting hairs
at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
I have his head.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
But my whole point to you guys is when you're
that dominant, I feel like you should have more team success.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
I'm not saying he underachieved, but you should have more
team success.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
But I would say because your comparison with Shack.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Right, No, my comparison was Shack and Elijah Wanta Pigs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, he's that I think a good amount better. But
that's like saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
But he would never go out and say Dirk Nwinsky
was underachieved. Correct, only got one chip, no defensive players.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
That's true, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
That's but but if you if we went back and
said Shack only had one championship, y'all would say he
probably on their achieved his career.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I would never say that. In terms of team success,
I wouldn't say that, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
The difference is he had Kobe Bryant for three those
rings and the one he lost he shouldn't lost because
they had Carmelon and Gary Payton too on that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
But yeah, I mean, listen, he has he had injuries
with name Day was supposed to be his number two
and it just hasn't worked.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
That's what I'm saying, Like how many?

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
But Joanna still has a good seven eight years less.
So he's saying if he doesn't win one more.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
No, it depends where he goes, though, I will say
that if he goes to like if he teams up
like Katie or some shit, he don't win the one,
then Bro, if he had But if he stays with
Milwaukee this whole time, but he goes like I like
Dirkin and says with Milwaukee, then though, because it's Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
If Janni's the tough part is go ahead. If Jiannis
doesn't win another championship, Bro, he'll still be with a
four time fit I mean fourteen time All Star defensive
player the year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Two two, three time two Like not, Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
That's a successful career, not an underachievement. He'd be in
top That's insane. They even say that top twenty to
twenty five football time, Come on top, Yeah, what are
we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Steven A. Smith? You clearly never played ball in your life.
He's already a top five for all, He's already a
top five. I think, I think, I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Think the I think the statement of how I got
perceived was very wrong because he's not an underachiever.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I think the team successes. I do think he needs
to have at least.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Two more runs in them for him to be upset
his legacies. Yeah, to solidify that, he need he need
two more good runs. And for me, good runs is
Eastern Conference, Western Conference Finals. Whereas like you got a
chance to do something, to go to the finals and
really do some ship.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
So let me ask you guys this, Right, you got
constiad of the best player in the league in twenty one.
He was considered the best player, Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
For those two three years until popped up on obviously
took it to another level for someone that we're gonna
argue if he belongs in the top ten, and we
are nitpicking at this point. I want to make that
very clear. We are nitpicking because you're talking about top ten,
which is the league top ten player. Yes, that's what
I'm saying. I'm not saying he's top ten. I'm saying

(01:15:14):
that's the way his career trajectory and his stats all right,
and his numbers look like their top ten accolades, right,
he does not have the top ten success to match.
That's the only point is I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Making team success. Team success, Yes, he does not have that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
When you talk about Larry, when you talk about Magic,
when you talk about Mike Steph all the time, and listen,
I agree that he hasn't had the team that has
that has been put around him. I think he should
have two. The only knock I have his mean field
of had in depth conversations. Was that Miami series He
fucking smoked it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
He did.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
That was the only series I can be really critical
on him. But I'm just saying you should have some
more success if you're going to be in that accolade
slash range.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
That's all.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
I'm saying, more team success.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
That's why I agree with you. If he has two
more runs, it will look a lot better.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
I think he needs one more chip to really put
him catapult him in that car.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
I think he goes to the finals one more time,
he'd probably be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Are you guys putting him in that conversation in top
ten if he doesn't get another.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Ring ever, you told my top ten top.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Ten ever, that's that's his type of trajectory. Yeah, if
he get it, No, he does, I would say enough.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Will's in that conversation, right, and he's top ten.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
No, I don't think I don't a lot of people
don't have well. I don't even think you did either.
When did you mention your top ten? Don't think you
put well there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I think Will's top fifteen, top twenty. Yeah, he's top fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
But Burton made a great point too. He said, your
kitchen isn't probably going top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
I don't agree with that, but some people are going
to hold out absolutely to some people are gonna hold
that if he doesn't win another he.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Has four MVPs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
I don't champions Yeah, I'm if he's if he's like
second and third all time in m vps, Like what
are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Let's beah, so is top ten? Ever you have to
have multiple championship. I do think criteria.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
I think you do unless you have like or five MVPs.
I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I think more than three m v ps that has
to count for damn championship at that point. More you
have more than three m v ps, Like listen, what
we're talking about more than three m v.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
P s, which is an individual award.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Like just your like, yeah, you have more three vps,
bro your top If he gets the four how many
all time?

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
He got two?

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
He has three?

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
He has two m vps at this point, got three,
has to have three.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
If you get one more has three m vps, he
should really have four, but he should have four top
ten out of time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
And it's never been done right, nobody's had three when
he gets when he Larry magic when he got the
third one. There's a few guys that had three. Larry
had three back and there what and there what? Arry
got four trips to back it up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Then they got five Hall of Famers on his team. Though,
that's it's different.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
These are different things, different times, different times he has
had Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
But at the end of the day, but you are
nitpicking in top ten and.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
That's what I'm saying. I'm nitpicking. I'm picking labor.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Your criteria, maybe m vps other people. That's what I'm
saying is that a lot of people are gonna leave
him out because of the lack of team success. And
that's cool. I'm just saying it wrong. So that's it.
I mean, they're not wrong, so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
You think objectively. I'm just saying on my through my opinion, his.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Fifty point game in the finals definitely is a huge moment.
That's like Steph's Steph's moment in Game three in the
NBA Finals, like that fifty point game. Not every player
has that adds his legacy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
But Kis is in front of you, honest.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
That's what I'm saying right now, is in front of
they retired to that. No I agree, Okay, I agree, honest.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
I agree. I agree with So you think under achiever?

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
No I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I don't. But did you say if he doesn't get
one more, if he.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Doesn't get one more, I would think his team success
was underachieved. His team success, he's that good to get
you multiple underachieved. I didn't say, I'm just saying his
team so to be his his team success is underachieved.
His team success was underachieved. Well, if you're that dominant,
if you're the best player in the league, as everybody says,
you should win more than one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
If you have the team around you. But but yo
is the same with Jordan and Lebron. Them niggas didn'
winch it till they had another player.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
On the team.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
K is literally okay, So I hate to go back
to but is there are these Nuggets really worse than
the twenty twenty two Warriors.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
We go talking about the war saying they're about the same,
So what are we talking about? But did he not
win one? But I'm saying how he need to steph
Curry went to with that same roster he won one
in fifteen sixty, fourteen, fifteen, not the same rosters, but
fourteen fifty wasn't wasn't stacked like seven eight years, but
fourteen fifteen wasn't stacked.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
It was more stacked than twenty two. But my point
is my point, am I trip? What are you trying
to argue right now? My point is it's not that
Steph has had a team that has two championships that
aren't completely stacked. That's my whole point to you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Correct me, correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
There was no all stars on that Dinner team, right besides, yeah, right,
was Andrew Wiggs not all star?

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
He was?

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
But but but we're gonna act, but we're gonna act
like we're gonna act like Jamal Murray. Is that people
are picking Andrew Wiggins over Jamal Murray. That was a
position thing. Nobody, nobody in this room is picking Andrew Wiggins.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Over Jamal Murray. If you were to do a draft
right now, you're gonna do that. Maybe maybe that that
playoffs series? No, no, no, no, we're talking about what.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
About what about Jamal Murray in twenty twenty three Andrew
Wigs twenty two when they both want to chick? Who
are you picking? Feel you're picking Jamal Murray? Cam, Who
are you picking I'm picking Jamal Murray. All right, cool Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
But again, but what I'm saying has Okay, let's ha,
no all stars on the team, like what we what
are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
My whole point is that he should get another one.
His third best player was m PJ. Wh Is that anybody?
Although although let's let's have a real conversation took Okay, See,
although Clay Thompson's an All Star, he was a really
really elite shooter and a two way player. He wasn't
like a traditional All star that can get his own
bucket all that stuff. When he was in twenty fifteen,
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, Clay was not a top twenty

(01:21:14):
five player in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
But we're talking about Hall of famers though, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
No, I'm talking about comparing his twenty fourteen twenty fifteens
a Hall of famer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
On that on the Dinver team besides yr Kisch, that
was the that was one of the best teams put together.
And I don't know what do we talk about. I don't,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
I don't think there's another Hall of Famer level player
and twenty two that played at the Hall of Fame level.
You're talking about old resumes in.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Twenty two even you said Andrewiues, but Jordan Poole, but
he's a Hall of Famer, play the Hall of Fame level.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Talk about Austin even just All Star level.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
My whole point to you is that at the end
of the day that twenty you have two players who
could play at the Allstar living outside Steph Curry, and
you still had Draymond Nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
You just had Yo Kic and Murray.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
The MPJ Bruce Brown, he didn't have a lot of
complimentary so compared to what Jordan Poole is playing like.
But Jordan Pool was an All sir.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Those teams were the same.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
That's my whole point. Those sports are very similar.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
And then they won, so they both won.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
I'm saying, so y'all could change another one what I'm saying,
but those teams, it's not like so so he won
with a team that was similar to the twenty two
team that won.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Yes they did. They weren't together the next year, That's
what I'm saying. They lost Bruce Brown and then I
lose case No Ksey left last year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
His first year. Guys, come on all. My whole point
is that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Oh but Jamal Murray was hurt, Jamal Worry was on
the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Was he not hurt? Who knows he was on the floor.
I don't know. I just I don't think that. Okay. Anyways,
all right, so y'all, So y'all agree that he's not
under clip clip that sending the camp in hall. That
was a great debate, fellas. Yeah, Charlie enjoyed that. I

(01:23:00):
was just sitting back watching these two. Yeah, let go
this wresting. I liked it. I liked it too.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
All right, so listen, Steven Adams extended, y'all want to
talk about it. We talked about the rocks a little bit.
I don't know if we need to go over it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
He's a glue guy. He's a great piece. You gotta
have him.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Gotta have him, got to have a Yeah, and he
got three years too. Man, that's solid, almost forty.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
I think I think it's thirty nine over there. Thirty nine,
I am I respect that man. How old is he
he's up there?

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
He's probably thirty four, thirty five is getting there?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Okay, that's how bad? Who retired like thirty seven? Knocking
on the door, Yeah, he's knocking that's how bad. Kudos
to Man, Man, Kudos with Steven Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
It just shows that if you're a blue guy, you
can stick around in this league for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
He's more He's probably like the DeAndre Jordan, but a
little more effective at this point, right, Jordan. I don't
mean in terms of things, but I meant like towards
the latter half of his career, he's gonna get what
you mean. Play a role player, Yeah, come in, play
some spot minutes for twelve to twenty minutes. Yeah, good,
rebounding some blocks.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Role Players have a have a place in this league, man,
And he's the perfect blueprint.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
For that man. Guy that just doesn't brow, puts his
hard hat on and keeps you moving.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
And so he makes the money. I was that extent.
She makes the money, right, Yeah, he deserves that, man.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
He's only thirty one, guys, thirty one, Bro, I think
he left he left pitt as.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
A fresh He's been around forever then, Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
He's been around since he was draft in twenty thirteen.
He's innes draft class.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
What thirteen. Yeah, he's only been in the league for
twelve twelve years. And I only don't year that's a comparison.
I played against him. It's crazy, but I always thought
he was only thirteen. Thirty one is not old. He's
still got a lot of good five years in him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Yeah, yeah, No, I thought he was. I thought he
was at least thirty four though. That's what I was like, Yeah,
I thought he was old.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
I played. You said that's older. You said that's not old.
You play against him in high school, that's not old. Yeah.
I played agains him in high school. Why you thought
he was thirty four? Man? He just exactly when I
said it. I was like, wait a minute, Yeah, that motherfucker. Goddamn,
that's an awkward man. Yeah, all right, you guys know

(01:25:30):
I'm passionate about this one. Were we talking about the Warriors?
Why why do they want to retain leek bro?

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
I don't get it. What do y'all think?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
You Toronto?

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Oh, I hate Fred VanVleet, Like crot those three threes
in Steph Curry's face, and Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Goes back to the war the war everything, everything goes
back to the Warriors. There it is. I like Frank Fleet,
I met as a basketball player, not as a human.
He's a playoff. I don't like him. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
This thing is he's spotty in the regular season, but
you gotta get enough team around him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
It doesn't matter. In the playoffs, he shows he's a riser.
He was er. I mean, he was one of the
reasons the reason why he went as long as it did.
I did because he played well.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
I'll give that him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
He played well. He played very well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
It's like they said, Kevin Durant would not go, said,
Kevin Durant has no interest, no interest playing in Minnesota.
The Sons are focused and heat rockets in Temple. Hey, listen,
all I know is Katie don't want to go nowhere
with bad weather.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
I'm telling you about. He cared about where he's gonna
be at. He cared about where he want to be at.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
He cares about where he If Minnesota makes a deal
for him, he don't have a choice.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Hen somebody is going to pull the fucking the MASSI
move and just trade for him. So I got you
on a one year rental. It's gonna happen, and I
ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
So is Minnesota. Who is Minnesota trade for him? Well?

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Jayden is off limits, so you trade what Rudy because
they need a center Rudy and who else. You can't
trade Rudy. They ain't taking Rudy back. That's insane. It
makes the money work. Can't he get paid fifty five
million dollars here? Nobody wants Rudy. Rudy's contract is atrocious.

(01:27:30):
We're talking about a four time DePoy and no one
wants it. Biggas think that him being four time dpoy
isn't crazy? Okay, Okay, bro he I'm not saying. I'm
not saying you. I'm saying I'm not saying you. I
want to say nobody. Nobody's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
But I don't think. I don't think they want Rudy.
Rudy for Kate. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
You can't get I think the dialogue around Rudy is
not it's crazy that that he's going to be a
Hall of Famer and we're talking about the single for sure,
But but this this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Van fleet ship are they talking about with the money
they gonna give him or what they do right now?

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
I think, No, it's I just got paid. No, no, no,
he got a three year, one fifty to two and
a half two years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
This is a lot. It's a team option he got
three years. He got more than Carrier. He got more.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
He got three year one twenty my.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Fault, not one finish forty years.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Yeah, no, I think he got like sorry it was
one twenty nine nine, but he got he got three
more million a year than Kyrier.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
They're trying to see, they're trying to see if.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
They give him the sixty because they get KD. I'm
trying to tell y'all, look, you can't throw leet dollars.
They're gonna throw that nigga vanvleeting the deal, trying to
make the money. They're mutually they're mutually interested in reunion.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
So he has a team option, but I think he'll
probably just take less money and extend for a longer
period of time. I'm gonna assume, right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Yeah, bro, you can't, you can't. You can't pay him
forty million dollars. Bro, No, no, no, hang on the field,
it's forty four point nine.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Yeah, he's getting paid three more million point for getting
played with forty one forty two. But that's why I'm
not happy with his topic for forty five. Oh no, no, no, no, no,
you paid no more, not a dime over thirty?

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
A players.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
It's a team option, Bro, but it's reported that they're
actually interested in a reunion, both of them. You pay
that Nigga twenty is interested. Twenty seven million dollars a year.
He probably had a lot of fun in Houston too.
Oh he does his chef. He has a good time
in Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
I don't think Van is a forty plus I mean
a forty million plus player, Bro, who.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Doesn't have a good time. Sorry, Hell no he's not.
He's not. He got overpaid. But you want to do
that person. There's not a forty million dollar player on
that team.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
You're crazy? Who a man is a forty million dollar player?

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Yeah he will be.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
No, he's a you said, there's not a forty million
dollar player, like as in a player right like you
sign him right now forty. I'd pay a man forty
right now for a million, Yes, but he's not worth
Amen was for average extension right now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
You're not paying him, Charlie, not forty.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Because of his potential, but not right now. He averaged
ten points a game last year.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
What are you doing about.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Averaging a guy? Yeah, you're gonna give forty ms to
a guy that average.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Ten points a game. Did y'all see what he did
in the playoffs? You're talking about potential?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
I agree, yeah, if he was only points, you don't
give some forty million. You don't give somebody part of
three points. Part of it has to be. You don't
give somebody forty based off potential. You give somebody forty
because of the work that they your resume.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
You feel me forty tomorrow if you know or not?
And if they do, they're paying him for a potential
poor potential. Man is getting a max, Sam Goon got
a max. A man's making forty next year, men's making
forty next year, or he's on the four year game.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
For his potential? Yes right now? Is not worth.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Twenty twenty points a game, isn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Amen? He averaged ten points a game last year? About Alper?

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Alpern, Oh oh yeah, but you keep saying amen, but
opering too though Alper is making Alfred is there's twenty player.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
You said, there's not a single player that would get
you paid for say that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Can that's right, but the person, but the person but look,
the person you said is wrong. The person you said
that wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
But I still believe a man deserves forty a year
for what he.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Can do for potential, And I say, I kept saying
for potential, we don't get forty. But you know that's
what I'm saying. You don't you have to do something?
He paid. He have just ten points a game. Anyways,
we can agree to disagree. Ten point get you forty.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
He actually averaged fifteen eight and four of fifty six
percent shooting last year.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Yes, what the fuck he averaged fifty I don't even
know what the hell he's talking.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
But even nigga, but even if he averaged fifteen camp
fifteen doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
How much does mikel Bridges get paid? Mcal gets is
going to get the same deal right now, Like right now,
Mike's getting paid thirty right now, So thirty and forty.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Amn's defensive impact and what he can do creating the
off the ball and passing is way more than you get.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Are you giving Jayalen Green fifteen? I mean forty?

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
Jalen Green is gonna make forty next year. I mean
he's on the mix thirty. He's gonna make third. But
like based on his contract, it's one sixty over four,
isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Or is it five?

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
He makes he makes three let me let me double
check his contract. Let me double check his contract. But Jaalen,
Green and and thing are gonna be basically on like
the forty fifty million dollars per year the extensions.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Yeah, when he's twenty five, he will get probably another
forty one. But he's if he plays better.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
I don't know about y'all. Well, let's see. I'll let
you guys know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
But yeah, I ain't gonna lie. We start to hand
that money in NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Yeah, I'm like, forty forty should be like a like
that should be like a number one guy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
I feel like, or no, the number one guys are
making sixty to seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Yeah, that's the number two guy numbers. Yeah, numbers that
was just like two years ago. That would be number
one guy money.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Alperin and Jalen on thirty five thirty six next year
basically forty basically forty.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Yeah, but you know we can hear her. Yeah. I
don't say nothing in criminal I don't Yeah, we can
hear you deal.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Anyways, So you guys, so if Jalen's making thirty five
thirty six and alpering.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Yeah, I guarantee, yeah, he should with that with that
in mind, yes, but Doude, I think the Nigga should
be making that No, I think that's the issue, like
that's where they lies. I don't think the Niga should
be making that much a right, I don't think Jayleen
Green should be making that much money.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
I mean that's fair off of what we just saw.
I don't think that niggasoud making thirty five. But he averaged.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
But your point was he didn't average. You can't average
ten points. Jalen Green average how much last year?

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Eighteen? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
So then based on your point, then he he deserves forty. Yeah,
so he then he sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
He sucks on.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
But you guys just said, I pay you for what
you do. He averaged twenty. I said, part of it
is points, I said, part of that, I say, part
of it is points. I said that after for three minutes,
after you say I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Not paying someone for ten forget them. Yeah, yeah, twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
But the part of it, all of it has to
go together, and they gel like it has to be
points and you played, even you do something.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
You have to do something that's not une forty. That's
not true.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
A lot of non defensive players don't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Get get in my opinion, in my opinion, but we're.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Talking about what the NBA pays guys. If you ship
that's the case, and yeah, everyone, everyone fucking actually them.
If Rudy Gobear makes forty million dollars a year, for
sure that you can play.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
If you're elite at what you do, you can make
thirty to forty million.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
And a man is elite at the defensive end of
the side of the ball and mucking things up.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Because yeah, you're right, Ducky Doucan Robinson makes what you
gotta get it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
You gotta get a defensive Player of the Year under
your belt before you get that type of brain that
some type of award, right, you gotta get something, an
award and the accolade you do something was what was he?

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
What was he like Van Fleet? He's a champion, He
has an accolade like he has a big accolade.

Speaker 4 (01:35:06):
Bro That has nothing to do with why he got
the money, has to do with the market and all
that stuff. And he played well in the Raptors, I
mean as first championship for the AMN was first team
All Defense. He sure was right, he was first team
All Defense. What you guys want from I think that
I forgot he was right. What what what more accolades
you guys want from them?

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
I forgot he did it. They can calm down. Said,
I'm just asking what.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Yeah, I just said aggressive. I just said, I agree,
nigga damn different in a different seat.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yeah, I said, I just.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Said, I'm a bad I'm asking what more do you
all want to see?

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
I just said I agree. I'm saying he's not going
to get forty.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
I just said, I just said, I agree right now,
right now, you say you pay him forty right now?

Speaker 9 (01:35:51):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
GM, No, if he if he's first team All Defense
and has threeteen points, that that's enough to get forty.
If Jalen Green's getting paid thirty five, yeah, Unfortunately, I
agree with him. Unfortunately. The part is, I don't think Jai.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
He convinced you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
He convinced you because not because I think I agreed
that nigga makes fortune to make forty MS.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
When Jared Jackson got his deal, he was averaging fifteen
points doing similar shit.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
That's what's saying.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
I just said, no, No, I'm explaining to you guys
the market. Yeah, Charlie, does Jared Jackson deserve a rookie
extension Max. Did he deserve one?

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
He's kind of get one? No, he already did. That's
what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean did he deserved it?

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Did he deserve it when he when he got it?

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Yes? I think that was that one was based off potential,
but that's part of it though.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
It's potential and your production.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
And I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
I said, off potentially he make forty ms, but I
think right now that's what I was. That's fifth point.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
Fifteen and eight and the first team all defense to
me as at least thirty. But for his age, you
paid forty hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Yeah, we can hear you now. Yeah, I agree again.
She said that Jared Jackson is a big he's a
big one.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Two.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
I'm gonna say this. He's definitely not forty million dollars
right now. He should one hundred one thousand get.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
For forty million. But he has to make a somewhat
ever jump.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
And show like seventeen eighteen next year. Then yeah, he
for sure he deserves that ship. Yeah, and still plays first.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
I think you gotta make a couple of shots. I said,
you gotta be respectable at least age seventeen. They don't
got to be. He gotta be over thirty from three?
Is he over thirty from three? Now? Why he wasn't?
Is he not over three from there right now? I
don't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
I don't know if he was over for thirty for three,
that's bad. If he's not with it, I don't think
he care. You shouldn't be taking three, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
I mean, Lou Door start off like that. He's better
Blue Door got.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
Better though, you see what I'm saying. But they didn't
get Door his bag when they first.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Saw was only getting like seven eighteen so loud. Yeah,
Lou Door of fucking forty million was not first team. No,
he was fourteen. He wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
But but y'all acting like all a man can do
is handle the ball. But we saw what he did
in the playoffs. I'm just asking a question. I'm not
I think amen, I would get twenty five percent from three?

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Yeah, that's fucking three. Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
Y'all not gonna talk about y'all not gonna talk about
how he's on the floor, MUCKs up the defense like
someone like Draymond Green, and how he can handle the
ball and great for himself.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Yeah, that nigga mucking up the defense.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I mean, but look, he got a point though. Twenty
twenty five percent from three is really bad. Home, you
got it, you gotta you gotta say something about that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Hong is not feeling how are you not? Twenty five percent?
He is tied right now? Twenty five percent? Hey, what
was home? How you that's twenty that's twenty that's twenty
five percent on like, no, I'm picking up one stat bro.
But he don't even shoot a la matters as a wing.
What the fuck? Though? He's a guard, he's a guard.

(01:39:14):
He can play on a guard.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Did he not play the small ball fog?

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Did he? What happens?

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
Like alper bro Bro twenty all the whole hold of it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
What do you mean? What happened? Jalen Green? Fucking happened.
That's what happened. That's what home is on a long
day chat because Jalen Green a man playing a small
ball and they gave up this ship. I'm leaving my mic,
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
No, don't mute ship. We need you, we need you
home that ship, that ship. Yeah, he gone, But that's
also why I said that. Jayalen Green getting thirty something
is still nasty. But that's again I'm not gonna go
back there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
I wouldn't give a man forty We're going back to
the topic twenty five percent.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
I mean, you give him forty off potential. I give
him like thirty seven. That's fucking forty. Cam. We know
that was a three million is crazy and Ship? That
was off season. He in the postseason, he was twenty
five percent. Okay, yo, dad, Oh come on, he got
yelling that Hong and Ship his wrong stack.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Okay, okay, regular season twenty seven percent my fault. Okay,
Oh he is god. He was shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
He was shooting basically season average in the okay coge Okay, Okay,
he got to get about average.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
He gotta get the thirties. That's the jump I need
to see. He got to get in the thirties. You
get to the thirties, you're forty million dollar man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Yeah, because then he'll he'll easily average to three more
points a game, easily.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
He has to start shooting as good as Lou Dort.
In my opinion, that's a comparison. Crazy Lou Door is
your comparison? Is I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
I think he but he does more offense, like he's right,
he can still Lou Door's really good. Yeah, yeah, he
give you a little bit more offensively, but lou Dort's good, yeah, better,
a better offensive Blue Dort is probably worth forty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Not gonna lie. That's the better't where he is? Yeah,
a better offensive Blue Dort. Yeah. Yeah. The nigga the niggas.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
The nigga is a broken o g Andnobi to to defense.
So the money has changed, though, man, the money.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Has money has changed.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
So like, no, that's what he says, Like, because you're
ogi getting forty and he's like the third best.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Yeah, so yeah, that's the million dollar man has.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Like you're talking about is getting there forty dog, there's
three number three options in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Who's getting forty, bro? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
And then and the number four option getting with thirty five.
So what I'm saying, like he kind of right, is right,
because it's just the markets sucked up. The mark is
fucked up. That's really what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
How much is how much is Dylan Brooks getting.

Speaker 9 (01:41:53):
Dylan Brooks and getting the twenties? Yeah the money has changed, man, bad, Yeah,
the money has changed.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Okay, I mean I give him you said if he
gets to the thirties. I give him forty. I give
him forty. I like it. So wait talking about how
you good over there? Oh you're good. I did not
blame him for losing.

Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
I just said twenty five cents in the fact that
THEO said, what happened when Jalen Green showed up looking
like me on a basketball court?

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
That was him? Though that I had none to do with.
I didn't say that. I already agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
That's the guy I had already agreed Jayen Green was
the only reason Houston lost.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
I agree with that, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
But THEO saying is because a man played a small ball.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
Four, and that's him. THEO said that I didn't hear that.
I didn't agree with. No, THEO said, I said they
play when I said that he played small before, THEO said,
so what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
But what happened though, So he's basically in sinuator because
he played a small ballfour. In my mouth, yeah, but
you wead but the word yeah, we said you're not
allowed to show feels just gas. I'm definitely a little

(01:43:10):
bit all right. Anyways, let's we won't get to the caws. Yeah,
we won't skip the cat the cas right now, he's
not pretenders.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Damn he took some gold. God, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
He is a little a little sassy today, a little spicy,
you know what I'm saying. But Nicks, Let's get to
the Knicks. Bro, they've been drunk. Holliday XS and the
exist similar voicemail. So the front office was hung up
on several times after calling several teams about their head coaches.
A lot of times pro fantasy profanity was used. Not

(01:43:49):
just no, they said fuck no in their face. Can
you take the next series? Serious?

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
You have to, bro, they've been to the East in
conference finals, semi finals.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
I don't know, but you calling like and you're not
calling like just rant. You're calling good teams.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
But what are you supposed to do? There's good coaches. No, no, no, no,
we're not talking about that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
That's what you're supposed to guys. Let's let's stay on topic.
You if you like coaches, you can call in choir.
Is your coach available? What is wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
As a business person, you're exploring your options, but like,
this is my thing?

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Why did you do that first? Before definitive shot? You
don't so what I would say to you, guys, that
is they had.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
The decision that they made is that they want to
get rid of tips by any means. By they he
was not the answer. So they made a decision and
then they said, we'll live with it and figure it
out after.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
And I understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
I mean, one of the first lessons I learned in business,
when running a jewelry store was make a decision and
live with it. Whether it's wrong or right. You make
a decision and you learn from it. Yeah, so I
agree with them, Hey, I mean things, they'll figure it
out because there's good coaches available.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
I just think.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
They can't be surprised by the ship that's going on
to them, because like you're calling good teams for their
coaches and they're obviously not going to get their coach.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Because yeah, I get the theory of you know, just
shooting your shot and see what sticks.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
You never know. You know, i'd shot you don't take,
but I'm not. You gotta have some type of plan, though, Like,
come on, you said, this is toxic. This is toxic.
It just looks bad. It looks I agree with you,
it looks terrible. But you guys said that their plan
was I've never heard.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Of this, No, I've heard of it before, but not
I've never heard of them doing it to this many teams,
not like seven eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
I've heard bro likee to freak what it is? It
is crazy. Yeah, I've never heard of them doing like
like a quarter of the teams in the league. I
get like, if Popovich was available, they probably have called
yeah great pap Is hadn't retired, like you want to
you want to finish out in the garden, you know,
you see Brunson Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
They support that. Players don't really rock with him in
the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
That can't. That can't. That can't happen. That can't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
So so guys can't they can't come out at least
I think I think the problem here is I'm just
thinking out loud, right, Yeah, they they made a decision.
They didn't have a real I think they didn't have
a real plan in place. But they're like anything's better
than tips, which I don't agree.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
I don't agree with you. I don't agree with that statement,
but it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
The Knicks, and I think the Knicks think they're like
the hot girl problem that wasn't really that hot. They
thought everybody'd want to take their job and it's not
as appealing as you as as it looks from the outside.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Because I mean it's also a hard called nah, you bro,
I'm getting paid.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
I'm getting paid the same money they sit at home.
This guy said, called Tim look hell because he was
getting the thirty jims get the thirty million with man.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Come. I was just playing, Brad, Really they really drunk calling.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
You're saying as adult and connect type situation.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
I was just playing. Yeah, I was just playing to
see how he was acting passed. I just want to
see if you're gonna move on without me.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
All right, let's move on from this. Let's get me
out of the pocket the next thing. All right, we
got a clip one of one of my favorite players Warriors. No, no, no,
he's you know you Weres Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Still love watching Kyrie.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Is there anyone have you've seen the handle like that?

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:47:44):
Jamal Tensley? You remember Jamal Tensley. Man, I don't think
nobody had better handles than Jamal Intensely, even Kyrie. I
think Jamal Intenseley handles was probably the best I've seen.
H That's an argument, though, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
Like to take that's a good take. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
he was. He was nice with that thing on the string.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
That is a terrible take, a horrific bro. Jamal Tinsley
is from New York, Charlie, Yeah, talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
I don't think his handles is like Carrie. Carrie is different.
Carrie is a sorcerers wizard and he has that thing
on the string.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Bro. A lot of people say just hates something general
but no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
But yes to t mac, defense is t Mac has
probably seen Jamal enough of Jamal Tinsley to even have
the courage to put that on record.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
But yeah, he's tripping because he was only in the league.
What do you what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
Kyrie Irving has been playing for four years. He has
seen Kyrie Irving enough to yeah he actually yeah he
did because he played against Kyrie show for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
The reason the reason, oh boy was so hyped about
that's a great take. He I doot, I do pods,
you know, yeah, say something that's gonna be a great clip.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
That was stupid as that is that that's what you
want to say, stupid? Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
I'm going to tell you this right now. I don't
give a fuck. I have not seen Jamal Tinsley play years.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
And I just know he's not better than Carrier. I
don't need to handle you, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
I watched his top ten plays, I said, his handles. No,
I watched his top ten players. It's not even close.
Come on, Kyrie's Carrie's top one hundred beats his top
ten and put that out there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Damn are you talking about the best ball handler, most
skilled player of like all time?

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
What I thought he was gonna say, Jamal Crawford, that's
a better argument.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
That's argument. Him and A on two said, I said,
wait a minute, like Jamal Jamal Man.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
I thought, yeah, I wouldn't have been been like, you're
still wrong. But I'll hear the argument for it, you
know what I'm saying, Like him him and A y
I'll hear the argument.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
But let's go ahead and put this on the left.
Let's come out. Time out. Was drunk as fun when he.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
Said no, no, no, you know, I think Mac is
one of those guys that the whole old generation is better.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
I'm gonna be honest. I seen something legacy and.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
He's one of my he's top three player of mine
all time. But he definitely hated the new generation.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
He is. I agree most old heads.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Dude though, because it helps his legacy. It makes him
if the old era is better, it makes his legacy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
Don't need that though. T Mac was. T Mac was
a futures player. I have a humble who legit things.
Trades is the great player. T was timeless. His game
is time.

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
His game is his game with His game would translate
to any era.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Oh for sure. He could sure average thirdy today. That's
not so. I don't know why he's hate. He could
average thirty five today, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
But what I'm saying, that's what I understand why he's hating.
We all respect that he can do that. So why
are you trying to make it down place someone? That's
a good question. No one is going to take any
different from.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
A Grady bro. We saw you score looking on that gas.
He was with Bombido. Yeah he was in Houston.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
He stays in Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
I don't know that he was with bum Bee in
the studio doing the pod. Oh yeah he was. He was.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
He had a couple of drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Yeah, he drink got like some Burger spots some no, yeah, no,
he was sorry, you haven't heard of true burgers? Oh no,
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
I wasn't talking about that. He was a national studio.
They're in a music studio.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
In seven one three.

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
I don't know if they if he was rapping, but
they were in a studio where they did recorded.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
They probably had seven one three. Yeah, probably seven one three.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
I last topic for there.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
Yes, Sasky best freshman out of Duke.

Speaker 4 (01:52:04):
There's been comments that he's the best freshman out of Duke.
I'm sick of that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
I'm just sick of it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
The recency bias is crazy. Who is the best freshman Zion?

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
It's so much it's not even crazy. It's so much
recency bias. It's insane. Bro, I've said this the time.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
Come on, hold, hold, give context. This is why I'm
so mad. We sent him to listen to to the
ball Hall. They had him having the best season ever.
He didn't win over Mellow eighty and all of them.
Then I see comments like this, Steve, go ahead, bro,
I just have to do context to our few viewers.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
No, I'm with you. Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
I don't go a fuck what happens if Cooper won
that motherfucker this year. He ain't fucking with Zion Williamson
had a Duke.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
He wasn't a freak.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
Yeah, he was like there, like there, there's a certain
situation where no one's said even debating this Cooper flag
number one pick type of thing. But you still take
a look at Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper, you know
what I'm saying, Like you're still taking that look When.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Zion was coming out, it was not a question.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
I don't think the number one pick with I don't
think they are either, but I, like I said, I
think the gap is way further than what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Niggas will get fired if you don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
The man broke his shoeing college because he was too
too much force.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
He blocked someone, he was blocked, but he blocked someone
over the Virginian game in a corner three and he
was starting from the block.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Bro, Niggas remember that, Like you know, I don't even understand, Bro.
I'm gonna be honest. Kyrie Irving and dude was fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
He played it easy being him. If he played more
eleven games games he played, he's fast, He's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Remember the remember the story that Nolan told about Kyrie.
He was cooking every what he as soon as he
stepped on campus. No questions asked. Kyrie was different too, differently,
he's a hooper. He's if he was just six six,
he'd be one of the greatest players of all time.
Did so easily, he said, he said on the Tracy thing,

(01:54:16):
I didn't I didn't put it on here. But he's like,
I'm not worried about those comments. Nobody could move like me.
I had.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Nobody has motion like me.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
There's nobody that could move and handle the ball at Kyrie,
just stopping on a diamond, what he can do.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
How he splits double teams, how he like, how he
does everything. It's just like, how does your body even
do that?

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Like his balance is insane. He has probably one of
the best balance I've ever seen, like almost as like
a running back in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Yeah, I mean it's an argument. It's not It's not
like hold. It's not far FETs though. Where No, no, no,
the best freshman you was talking about Kyrie, the Kyrie freshman.
I'm talking. I'm talking about what's on the scool. It's

(01:55:02):
not an argument, bro, It's definitely not an argument. No,
it could be an argument because Cooper Flag was one
of the I mean, he led his accolade on paperculators
in every statistical category. Damn there, right, yeah, no everyone
not damn near no everyone, right, But.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
I don't know exactly guy that had those accolades though,
you got Jabari Parker, Austin Rivers.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
But ever.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
In every stack category did they lead their team as
a freshman as a freshman as a freshman, he averaged.

Speaker 4 (01:55:44):
Twenty three nine, two and two. I'm pretty sure he
led his team in every stat All right, let me go,
So now I look at Zion's No, that was Ion stats.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
Oh that was Zions. Okay, I don't look at I
don't think Cooper average twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
Yes, Cooper average nineteen. He never was seven and a
half and four. So Zion stats are better.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
And then and then let's put I'll read the accolades
he was. He was a National College Player of the Year.
He was consensus All American waiting to his word, calme alone,
n b N ABC Freshman of the Year, a sc
Athlete the Year, a CC Player of the Year, AC
Rookie of the Year, a c All First Team AC
All freshman.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
This is Zion cool, This is Zion. I think I
think him.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
Cooper got the same accolades on that head.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
But it's an argument. It's lucky. Was that what I'm
saying is an argument? A little bit like they gave him,
I think the same ship. Yeah, it's pretty similar. Yeah,
so it's pretty It's so it's back to my point home.
You're right, he's on a good argument. You're right. I said,
all paper is argument.

Speaker 4 (01:56:46):
Hold on, hold on, hold that that's the last point
right on paper. But the eye test, what is That's
what I say. I agree, Charlie.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
What is the zion?

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
So it's not what I'm saying is an argument. No,
it's not because the eye tests you say, zion. I
get what he said, he said, test both both. It
comes to the eye test. I played your play, he said.
It's an argument. He's saying, the deciding factor is the
ie test. It's not an argument though, because everybody says
the acthletes saying, but once you put in the eye test.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
It's not argument. So that's the deciding factors. That is
the argument. That that that's it's not really an argument though.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
It's like if you have a debate and someone wins
four three, because at one point is the deciding factor
in the society.

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
Do you guys think it's even close when it comes
to the eye test.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
Yes, not for me. So that's my whole point. It's close.
You compare accolades and accolades, it's close.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Niggas were scared to plays Iron. No, it's not niggas scared.
Niggas scared.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
And listen, all I'm saying. All I'm saying is.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
There's no doubt we all knew Zion Williamson was an
All Star as soon as he stepped for in high school.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
Are we sure Cooper Flag is an All Star? In
what I'm saying, we knew. Are you one hundred percent
sure Cooper Flag will be an All Star?

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
Yes, but as definitively as you knew about Zion, you're
that definitive you know it for a fact point.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
But that's my point is that when you when you
look at Zion, we see a generational talent. I don't
think you've ever said that about Cooper.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
We haven't. We have, well, I haven't. But that's my
whole point. Charlie did even say I'm going to say this,
I'm gonna say this when my team was playing Copper Flag.
Hold on, let's let's address it.

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
Charlie, you said that Zion is a generational talent when
you saw one. You never saw that, Cooper. There's a difference.
There's levels to this ship. That's my whole point, that it's.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
Not a generational talent. I'm going to say.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
A lot of people say it is. I think it
is a generation For my sake, for my Mavericks, I
hope he is. I think he is to the level
of Zion. That's the only thing. There's levels to the
ship when Zion is healthy. Charlie, he is said I
think he is. Nobody said that about Zion. We said,

(01:59:04):
he know he is.

Speaker 4 (01:59:05):
Go ahead THEO I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
No, I'm with you on that. I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
I'm with you, Cooper Flag. Cooper Flag is really good
at what you though. I'm not disagreeing he's really good
at basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
But all I'm but my thing is, there's no doubt
in our minds when Zion Williamson was coming out it
was gonna be a bonafide off. But it's based off
his athleticism. It is because Zion is super He's a
super free But that's why, and we don't doesn't matter.
It's not the super free.

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
Bro Zion Williams was such a dominating force.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
He couldn't do anything with him in college and you
can't even I got one for you. But I think
Cooper will have a better career than Zion.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Well because of injuries. Injuries, but we're talking about in
college right now. We're talking about the college career.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
Because I'm gonna say this is bro we're talking about
right now. Niggas just aren't like scared of Cooper Flag.
Niggas was scared to plays all in college. Bro, Like
niggas was not trying to play Zion. If it looks again,
we played with my team, you played Cooper Flag. I
wasn't like scared, we gotta play Cooper Flag if we
if Zion was on that team, I'd be scared as
I'd be like, yeah, we're going home.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
I'm gonna put it to you this way. I don't
know who can guard Zion. I could probably pick about five.

Speaker 2 (02:00:13):
Or ten niggas that can guard I just saw I
saw niggas a nigga and you you just guarded that
nigga the last ten minutes of the game.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
That's how we won. I don't know who. I don't
know who can That's how I don't know who can
guard Zion whims to be completely honest, in college or now.

Speaker 3 (02:00:30):
No, now I'm talking about I'm talking about right now.
I don't know who can guard.

Speaker 4 (02:00:36):
Him even out of college.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
Who coul guard Zion even out of even because they didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
Lose because of Zion? Maybe Braun, they didn't lose because
of Ion in college. That's all I'm gonna say, was it?

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
Maybe, Braun? Is you only play that guard Zion when
he first came out?

Speaker 3 (02:00:53):
Listenis ship last year, not this past year, but the
year before? Fucking If Zion doesn't get hurt, broad to them,
don't even make the fucking playoffs?

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Yeah, you know what funck that? Man? If you Zion
got hurt at the very end, if you didn't win
a championship as a freshman in Duke, you ain't in
this conversation. But no, I don't think, right, Nigga, I
don't think. I don't know many of you.

Speaker 4 (02:01:17):
I don't know if there's many of them. Maybe it's
maybe no Christian Lanter Won is a Christian leader. Want
is a junior. I think sophomore, sophomore, junior or something
like that. Oh, he went back to back didn't he
and then he.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
Only people that did. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
And the thing is, but Jalil Okafer, Jalil Okafer had
oh yeah, Juli one hell of a fucking career, not
even career.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
Yeah, one year he what a name. He went to Duke.
He went to Duke, won a championship, him and Tigers
Jones as he was a freshman twenty fifteen. Right, he
was a fresh my freshman year. He said we were
all freshman he was. No. Julia was like that. I remember, No,
he was like that.

Speaker 4 (02:02:03):
He averaged seventeen and.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
Nine the year. Yeah, No, the nigga was he was nice.
I mean, I don't think he.

Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
Has to do with winning at this person was cold
at this point. You think winning has to do with that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
I mean he did on the other topics we had, right, Yeah,
I guess so, right, he's not. He's top ten. He
don't got no championship. Julia was out dominant too though.
He was nice.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
You know, he was dominant in the post. He was
because that was that was the year. It was him
versus Cat, right, him versus Cat. He faced Frank Kaminski.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
Yeah, he now Carlo Anthony the best freshman. No, I'm
going ad ad winning chip. Yes, yes he did. Okay,
now he and had like six I can respect it.
Argument an argument? No, like with twelve and twelve and
six blocks, he for sure dominated too. I remember that.

(02:02:56):
I remember. I don't know about Cooper being the best
for sure dominant bro? What do you But even that
pisses me off.

Speaker 4 (02:03:03):
More is that they that college basketball site that put
him number one all time?

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
They did? Oh yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
Yeah, that was Bro over eighty and only other like
if it's if it's if you're not going to choose ads,
it's either Ady or Carmelo and really.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
Grand hell, what was grand Hill's number?

Speaker 4 (02:03:19):
I think Grant Hill won as a freshman.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
He did, check and if he did, I'm putting grand
Hair over him. What's his numbers?

Speaker 4 (02:03:26):
Though, Grant Hill did his numbers eleven and five? No, No,
you can't, is jalil. If you want to count winning,
but if you talk about sheer dominance and stuff, I
have Zion.

Speaker 1 (02:03:41):
Zion twenty three, have Zion after twenty three as the freshman.

Speaker 4 (02:03:45):
But also to Charlie, the reason why I differ this
from the championship conversation, I'm not spending fifteen years at
you and playing with the same team. It's one and done.
Like championships to me is not as important here add
to the legacy. But how dominant Zion is. I don't
think you can argue that that's fair anyways.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
Because that man Zion came back the next year. Oh
they're winning.

Speaker 4 (02:04:08):
Before we sign off, guys, tonight we all got in
serious predictions. Let's get to it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
I got okay.

Speaker 4 (02:04:14):
See blitz fashion is it thirty plus twenty plus?

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
Blitz fashion in this and nowadays is like, I give
it twelve ten, not a blitz at all. The double figures,
double double blitz. They're gonna they're gonna cover the line.
That's a definitive win. That's the line that's a definitive win.
Let's say that because the blizz is over ten, I'll
check the ten and a half.

Speaker 4 (02:04:36):
I'm try really betting out here.

Speaker 3 (02:04:38):
Yeah, you know the money this early in the day,
DraftKings talked to us facts the money line.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
What's the money line? Ten and a half? Let me checked.
Let me check.

Speaker 4 (02:04:53):
We are not promoting DraftKings because they ain't sponsoring this.
It's nine and a half. So yeah, it's ten ten.

Speaker 3 (02:04:59):
Yeah, that's not so that's that's not a definitive win.
But I have a feeling they're gonna blitch them, so
like twenty, that's a blitz. Seventeen feel okay, seventeen.

Speaker 1 (02:05:13):
What you're thinking? What you got to see? You you're
on mute? First of all, where's your mic? Yeah? I
can't hear you. You're on mute? Yo. Yeah, yeah you're good. Hey, listen,
we're back. I got okay.

Speaker 3 (02:05:31):
See tonight, I think it's gonna be a blitz too.
I'm not gonna hold you think it's gonna get real
ugly tonight?

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
What's a blitz? What's a blitz to you? I think
you lose by fifteen? Yeah, fifteen, blitz fifteen.

Speaker 3 (02:05:43):
The all the reason I say fifteen, oh, I say fifteen,
because what's gonna happen is the bench guys come in.
It's gonna get ugly, they're gonna come back, and it's
gonna make it close.

Speaker 4 (02:05:55):
So you're saying they're really going up like thirty points.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be one of them.

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
Fair what but I got okay, see if Indiana hangs around,
If Indiana hangs around in the first quarter, it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
A close game. I got ind I gotta stay pick one.
The yeah is it a blitzer? Is a close we're
not asking for? Like, yeah, that was a wild take.
That was wild okay, see, okay, blitz fashion, but what
you got? I got okay? See.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
But I think it'll be within ten. I don't think
any game the rest of the series will be a
blow out. That's just my opinion.

Speaker 4 (02:06:37):
I got okay. See by twenty two.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
Damn by twenty that was such a specific number. Two
A damn no. Think you want to do something? You
want to wrestle? Signed off? Are you a mommer? Yeah?
We signed.

Speaker 4 (02:06:55):
We'll see you guys Thursday. Violence on your next game.

Speaker 1 (02:07:01):
Appreciate Joe. When's your next game the Thursday? Send us
a link.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
You better get it up.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
You need to win. Win. And then Charlie Charliet to
the d R. I being to d R Thursday, so
I'm gonna watch send me the link. I got you,
I got you all right, We'll see peace