Deron Williams joins To THE BAHA, Steph vs Book, 2005 Title chat, Clips vs Thunder recap & more

Deron Williams joins the show for an in-depth conversation on his legendary 2005 draft class, the evolution of true floor generals, and how his coach Jerry Sloan would do in today’s NBA. He reflects on his McDonald’s All-American days, the 2007 Finals against the Spurs, and weighs in on LeBron vs. Larry Bird. The crew debates Ja Morant’s trade value, Austin Reaves’ rise, and a must-watch Wemby vs. Luka matchup. Plus, Anthony Edwards’ return, Booker’s loyalty to Phoenix, Draymond’s thoughts on KD, and a hilarious Bulls commentary moment — all with multiple Shoutouts to Oasis throughout the episode.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
We are back in the building. We do got a
special guest. But before we get to that, shout out
to the boy, THEO Penson, one of our very horns.
And then obviously we got national champion in the building,
mister point guard himself.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
It is you know what the other day was cracking?
Do y'all lead with that every time?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Sometimes?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sometimes, but I'm not rolling with the national chair. That's
the topic on this fucking count.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
He's a two time gold medal Olympia. We can talk
about that too, well, we we will. And now we
got obviously another national champion in the building. Mister Charlie.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Damn, what bro what are you talking about? Man here?
Now go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I got a shout an oasis, a little bit shouting oasis,
but we got a very special special guest. I'm not
gonna lie to you guys. If you know you know
two K ten, two K eleven the best jump shot
in the game. It was a cheat code. That release
was automatic, really easy release automatic. That's what's the highlights.
Who we got in the building with us.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
First cross to sleep with that thought, okay, I know,
oh oh got them coach. Why was the clarity so
bad back then? Because we was old as ship.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Oh my god, Dela Dover, don't no way, Yeah yeah,
get a twisted.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Now, my god, that was a mistake like that. That
was a hey good dam mm hmm oh give me
to you.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I think that's Jeff green.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
A before man, I man buckle.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I need to about ten horns. I need about ten horns.
Be willing the building, Williams. Everybody said, what's up?

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Appreciate you pulling up, bro, Bro just don't like the
national champ like, yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
His credit.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
He called me dran on top of that. Yeah, I
was just gonna say, to the point, now you know
what my name is. I'm to the point now. I
don't even Darren Williams. My fault, my fault.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
But three time NBA All Star, hold hold back up
three times right, and it's three times get it right right,
two time All n B A, two time Olympic gold medalist,
All Rookie, first team.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
If I want to talk about it, you were first
team rookie. Oh no, you're not bad, damn. That's what
we own today.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
But I was, this is the type of show we own,
and seven we don't have some fun today.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
By the way, you got your Jersey retired after playing
with three months nearly.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Talk about that a little bit silly. You break your
records in three months. I had a couple of records,
I think. But yeah, man, I loved it over there.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
That was I didn't want to come back because I
was coming back to a team that was like.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Nineteen and damn seventy seven. That was my Bobcat years.
Damn that's out. Yeah, sure was one.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's crazy, man, that's crazy. But let's get into it.
Dan c double a Day's you want to talk about
Charlie and Charlie's recruitment because he said, there's been some fun.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
I had a great time.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I had a great I mean it's a sensitive subject too,
because we put in a lot of work to make
Charlie I feel like he was at home so great.
We tried to we try to bring New York to
to it feels of Illinois, got him to commit all
for him to just break our hearts and go to Connecticut.
But it wasn't a bad decision. It wasn't no, you

(04:18):
made the right decision. I mean, I blamed Bill self,
but you were a good host.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
You will.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I appreciate that. I appreciate I tried all the extra career.
I don't think it was me though. I think it
was Charlie's Angels.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
But you know, you facilitated. You was in the mix
angels Charlie. These angels. They picked me up as a
private jet had some Charlie's angels. Yeah. Do you ever
watch he Got Games? Yo? You never watched he Got gad? Yes,
I've seen that. I understand that recruitment. Very similarities.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
You had a good time.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
I had a great time, a good time. The wife
watch him too. He committed before I think he committed
after commit on the spotcast one day.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
But it was like you didn't even finish the whole weekend.
It was like, yeah, bro, I'm coming here.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
That's it. And I remember, man, that was good times.
Man on the chat, I know the wife is, she's
she's watching that.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
That was a long long time we was boys.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Then for sure you won't pull the picture that discord.
What was it like being.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Squad three guards? Right? There was a market issue, you
hear me? Yeah, that was probably.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
That's the reason why you know I went to Illinois
was because of d of course is my brother till
this day, and Luther as well. But yeah, man, it
was amazing playing with those dudes. You know, two of
the most unselfish humans I know, two dudes that just
give you the shirt off their back and walk down
the street do anything for you. So man, yeah, those

(05:58):
times are great and like I said, those are my
brothers for life.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You guys were a problem.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Called we were until we ran into talk about that.
You started off that, you started off off like that.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I always give you guys credit for be national champs.
That's how you announce the show about fifty percent of time.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Okay, fifty percent of time. Let you We should have
talked that through and maybe not boy talked that through.
I know y'all talked about it before.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, we did it. We did, But we also talked
about how you have all those other things you could
drop on them.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, we talked about that. We definitely did. He got
Charlie up there with me on the rookie team. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's not even up there. Oh yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
All first you know, you know, always be where it is.
Though only a select few get to play talk thousand
and five.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Man, oh man, listen, man, good years. Man, it was
a battle. You know this guy here was was terrorizing.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Hey, who got the best out of each other that
that game?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
We both had seventeen and seven. We both we go type,
look at from stats, we both have seventeen and seven.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
You know what I mean. I need the facts. I
need the fact we both had seventeen and seven. Seventeen.
I thought you had twenty. I don't think I had twenty.
I think I had seventeen.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
They and Darren had seventeen seven and seven. We both
had seventeen and seven even, but they won. He's the
point guard, he's the leader for that team, so he
had to win the battle. No, ain't no doubt, no
with Sean McCants carried him.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
No he did in that game. No, he did not.
You troll.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
He trolled, got the refs, got James Augusty. He wouldn't
even let him touch him. He was breathing on him,
calling fouls.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, he had nine minutes and he had five personal
fouls nine minutes.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Sean McCants.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, they need you know, how they're doing this investigation.
They need invest They need to investigat They.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Need to go back and investigat that ship.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, it was pretty even. It was seventeen.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Though, right, there seventeen seven, and we had chances, we
just didn't make shots downs you will.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
It was like they had three seven seventy yep, seventy five,
seventy seventy.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
It was that score for like a minute. Now, I
was by five, was by five five You got uh do?
You Will had one more rebound than Ray. Ray was
four for ten deals four for ten at four for
nine for Ray, four for ten for d you will
both had two turnovers. Ray had two steals.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
You must have looked it up right before this ship.
It was close, you know, it was even.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Both seventeen to seven. I know that I knew the
stats with that seventeen to seven.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Okay, I ain't never watched that game.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
You never watched that watch? That would be tough to watch.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, it'd be tough to watch. I should though, now
twenty years later, it'd be fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Be fun to watch twenty years late. I know, right,
we old, we old draft twenty years ago? Crazy crazy? Hey,
let's pull up the draft class picture.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
My big ass fucking six AXT suit crazy. Yeah, I had.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Them suits is bigger into the draft class.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
One of the most tailored suits up there.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Your suit was the worst. I'm about put in the chain.
It was the worst. You will coat on so clean,
that's not you. Joint and y Ray timeless too. You
know what your child who had the worst. I'm about
to put in the chat.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Having pinch stripes.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Dang, you got one more time, bro, I'm having boys
outside waiting.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
They're gonna be waiting on your you'll got them from
men's warehouse, everybody. You know what's crazy?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Back we thought we was popping, nobody saying.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Any draft class. And you go back twenty years, you're
gonna be like, what the fun was the.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Harvey Joy.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
But Charlie's was the worst.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Charlie had a trench coat. You had nine buttons on
a suit. That's wild, that's wild clean what boy's talking about.
Damn that that's a good fit.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Now right now you have the ninety percent of Chat
thinks it's you, by the way, they're.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Right, they're right. And he had hair back then. No, bro,
come on, that's what we don't want. We are the same.
Well this type of show today. What I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
A fun fact to my boy j Apogy Map he
told me that obviously you two have the same birthday
with j Brow and all played on the same team.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Look like Blade, Yeah I saw that. Ain't ship. I
ain't that but now yeah, man me d Will J. J. Burrew.
We share we share the same birthday, same year days.
How many people I know with our birthday? For real?
You know?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
So yeah, I met two other people with the same year.
But then I know, like Amon Shumper, I played with
multiple people. I think with our birthday somebody else too.
But I'm just always running into people just.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
The same time. That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
He said that to me too. I'm like, bro, come on,
is that a fact? But so what I don't want
to hear about my mom and daddy.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Getting it on, get it popping. That's a fact. This
man is crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
What this guy said, Bro, Charlie's wild bro. I'm gonna
by the way, maybe saying you're the ra McCants the podcast.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
You might be saying some wild ship bro at your mouth.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
You just be wanting to just go you ain't that.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Ain't that that was your chance right there.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
I ain't gonna do that too, not that that not that.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
But you do be saying that topic mcant know it
ain't Oh you don't know. You haven't want our episodes.
I see clips. I can't watch anything in its entirety.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
No, it ain't no problem over here. That man don't
that man don't do nothing, even for my life. He's
been talking. He even saying a couple back and forth
and all. Yeah, it was a couple of those when
it started. What happened, it's not my story to tell.
They called him Charlie mckant's that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I might I am liable to swing on somebody call
you Charlie.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
That's funny. I mean that was a little sense of
the topic for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Man.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Stop saying it was sensitive.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
I said what I said. I didn't know. I walked
into person what I say, and I stand on it.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
I think he's funny because he's so delirious, delirious about
his career and his man his ability.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Did what Kobe did. I didn't heard he said that
I would never listen to him.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
I heard him when he said he could average forty
or what thirty or whatever he said.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
He said, I could have got eighty one like Kobe. Yeah,
I said, okay, I can't listen to.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Him no more.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Why would I go back with a dude back and
forth with a guy like this. He just put his
damn name in the same era as fucking Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I can't. I can't.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
But anyway, you know that became a meme, right, I
know it. Whenever whenever anybody says anything crazy online, that's
what they play. It's like a meme that you put
on NBA stuff.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Now guaranteed's points. Now, then you put that in. You say,
I can get eighty one if I if I factor
the sin factor this sin I just had. I got
fifteen in the first.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
That was easy. Wasn't doing nothing. It was easy. I
was just what eighty one? He's talking about Kobe's eighty one? Boy,
it's after Monk.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I's always saying fifteen, fifteen, fifteen and fifteen. It's only
sixty subtracted two minus.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah. I don't yeah, Mathea Matthew sixty the mathe Mathews.
He didn't go to class. Damn wait, we'ren't on the
shoot one of you guys wanting.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
I know.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
That's why it's an asterisk by it. That's an.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
I wasn't playing fair, bro, I went to class. Y'all
was just out there hooping. Just that did bring that up, though.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I went to Claus. Did he bring that up? Yeah,
he brought it up. I don't give an he said
in a minute. Yo, bro, we ain't go to class.
Go back and look at my records. I'm straight. I
can graduate within twelve hours, so I'm straight. I just
ain't did it yet. I went to class.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Bro, Now listen, when I did declare for the draft,
there was no more class for.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Me, saying as soon as that national championship was over, like,
come on, you don't know, you know, let me do something.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
You don't know if you're going. I didn't withdraw. I
was you from my classes? What you was eligible?

Speaker 7 (14:43):
Did not?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
I didn't you knew you? You knew you was going
before you went to the tournament. Yeah, yeah, there was
no There was no but bout it. I knew I
was going.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I was when before before the tournament?

Speaker 4 (14:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
No, no, yeah, yeah, once you because you know you
got to be eligible like January or something. It right
that you got them. There's two semesters, right my trip. Yeah,
so the first semester you got to be eligible, and
then the second one I just stopped. I didn't go
because I knew I wasn't coming back. I just went
to school. I mean I just went to class. I mean,
uh practice. Yeah, it was just I became a professional.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
On that point, I said, sign.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
I was over.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
After we want to win the championship. I had that
meet with coach Williams. It was over.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Did you know? Did you know?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Did what you was going like after that that year?
Like something?

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Did I know?

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I was going like yeah, yeah, I mean as soon
as we got to like they we started.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I didn't before the season. No, I wouldn't even really
thinking on the mock.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I mean I was thinking about it, but I wasn't
like on the mock draft, top top ten, top twenty,
any of that.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
It was that whole that last year. Last year put
you on the map.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, when we started out twenty one and oh or whatever, hey,
and I started climbing up and then by the time
the tournament.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Hit, yeah, knew it's over. It probably after the Arizona game,
Oh lord, I wish we could show on the game
what did he do? Well? We just had to come
back down.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
We was down fifteen with three minutes left, came back
and I had some big shots down the stretch to
tie it, and then in overtime I hit like three
more threes to kind of seal it.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's where you saw your name kind of just I rocket.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I mean I think it was already like it was steady,
like it was a steady jump that whole season, and
then yeah, once the once the tournament hit, I think
it was kind of went off.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
So, speaking of leaving school, did you guys match up
with each other in draft work outs?

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Oh that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
You know what's funny about that? They were avoiding each other.
We weren't.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
No, I was.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
My whole stance was because everybody said CP was the best.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
M H, it was CP, ray d Will those were
the three names.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
But everybody the consensus was CP was the best in
our draft. Right, So then I think I'm chasing CP.
So my agent was like, we're not gonna work out.
We'll work out against anybody as long as Chris Paul's there. No,
I wasn't with Jevit wasn't no. And so see he
wasn't working out against nobody.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
He wouldn't, so I was trying to catch him.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
So, so I was doing all my all my workout
solo solo, right until.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Was that Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Until Charlotte, So I so I get there and right there,
I got a story for that.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
So I look over, I'm like, oh, right here. So
I call my agent.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
I'm like, I think they're trying to get me to
work out against right, but like I truly I don't.
I'm not scared of anybody. My whole thing was, I'm
just trying, like Ray said, I'm chasing, I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
To get I'm trying to get the looking past right.
Yeah no, I'm not looking past right, trying to you're
looking past keep it word, we're looking past right, Okay,
I got you looking at continue No.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
So so anyways, my agent was like, just go ahead
and do it.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
So I ended up working out you worked.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Out with Yeah, no, no, we can't talk about it
because he remembered is. So it was perfect because guess
who the fuck it was? Me and Rashad, Me and
Rashad against him and Julius Hodge.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Didn't he ducked the workout.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
The motherfucker he got hurt. I was so listen. I
was so mad.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Did JB. Bigger Staff jumped into the workout with us? JB.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Brickerstaff the coach shout out to JB. Man coach at
Detroit right now. His daddy was the head coach. He
jumped into the workout just to because we were doing
like a type of thing.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
It shot to pull up. Huh, it was a shot
to pull up.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
Hurt.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, no, he got He got hurt in the workout,
and Julius Hodge would live it. Yes, he was. He's all,
you've been ducking me, not fuck that. Get your ass up.
He was hot.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
He was Julius Hodge was hot. Eat your ass up.
You've been ducking me all summer.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Get you. I just like, yo, come on, bro, like
what are you doing now? Man? I'm hurt.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Man, I can't go no more. I said this, But
it was a good workout, so you know what I knew.
Let me give you a story, give y'all story. So
me and d Will end up being in Utah together.
Two next morning, I wake up, Dan Will already did
his workout. I said, ship you talking the drafts?

Speaker 4 (19:17):
I said, you talking the draft here? Bro. So I
think I ended up working out with lou Will. I
think it was me, lou Will and like two other
guards and two and some big men. You know, we
ain't up having a workout. But I told my agent
I called my agent, I said, Utah drafting d Will.
D Will did his own private workout with them early
that morning. I didn't even see deal will no more. Man, listen,

(19:38):
I listen. I don't found to do that stuff over again.
I do like these dudes do now private workouts.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I think it was worse though, because I'm by myself. Yes,
that man court drill, lay up drill, Oh my god.
And and that's I never played at altitude before.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
That was my first time at altitude. I didn't even
know what altitude was found out that people want to know.
Jerry Jerry Sloane got cool. Yeah, well we'll dive in.
We'll dive into a little bit. He just told you
he runs it. Huh yeah, he is part of the
higher ups.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm not part of the higher ups.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
He is higher ups. He said, he is higher ups.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
That said, I'm not part of the higher ups.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Anyways, think about it. You haven't an Asian racist bro
Asian non.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Basketball player sitting with three basketball players on a daily basis.
He must do something.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Mm hmm. Think about it.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
What does he do?

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't
do it. It's your first day, do well. I would
like to get you here more often though.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
For real, all right, pulled the picture of the of
the point guards hurt please and thank you, sip it's
a tough photo.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Was nice to he live out here to the country.
He's out here to your country? Boy? Is he probably
out in like the line or some shit?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Charlie, you got them saying hon Rico incoming, bro.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
H, look at them adioys? Was fine? Trash? Was you
always Adidas for seven years and that went on? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
So basically the question I have for both of you
guys and a little bit of Charlie, is you know
when I think of that class, I think of flour
generals U CP three ray. Do you guys believe that's
floor generals are still existing today's game? Because I can't
really name a lot of them.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
It's different, man, The game is just so different.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
But there's no like, there's not a lot of prototypical
point guards anymore, but there's still guys.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
I feel like Tyresee.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Is is he's probably the closest in the game to me.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Maybe yeah, I think, yeah, he probably might be the
only one to be like when I think about it, it.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hias Jones is the name O start.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Is Austin Reeve for point guard.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Come on, bro h, he can play the point, can facilitate,
he can play the point.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
But you can pass.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
What you're laughing for, I can pass say a word
because you like you feel me? Yeah, you're not feeling
you don't feel me. We're talking about prototypical point. Can
he play the point? Yes, there's a lot of people
that can bring it up. What's the definition of prototypical
to me? Motherfuckers?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Just like point guard magic, this couch, these couch right now,
you got these two guys point guards prototypical. We can
score now, don't get a twist. We can go to
get your ass thirty, but we're gonna facilitate.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
As that's not Austin Reeves. Really don't think so that's
the reason want to get a bucket.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I mean Lucas can play the point. Is Luca a
true point guard? Is the true point guard?

Speaker 4 (22:54):
They do point? That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
They really want to score today, Like you know what
I'm saying that we came in the era where we
had big Man that was like, man, you don't give
me that motherfucking ball. I'm sitting on this fucking box
that throw this ball to me. Now, they ain't got
no traditional bings like that. Nlets you play with yo
k and hell, he brings the ball up. He don't
just sit on the box, you know what I'm saying.
But Julian B dude, you know he kind of stops

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the offense a little bit and sit on that box.
Be different now now Giddy, I like giddy.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Giddy and a Lonzo. I would say those two ball.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
He still want to score too, but he'll he'll he'll
pass her. Yeah, pass is nice. Stay healthy.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Oh, I'm thinking Aboutlamelo.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Point guard. Yeah, I mean, I don't see too many.
That's the only person I think it was really Chris.
But obviously Chris from your guys that ship on trip
you are.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
He's still playing. He's still and played eighty two last year.
I got hurt walking down the stairs. The other day,
I got.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Can I wake up with something different every day? Every fuck?
I'm I'm hurting sitting on this sumpression, bro. But listen,
let's be honest. Though he can't move out there, I'm
looking at him now. He looks like he's forty.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Now, yeah he's near and then yeah, my dog like
he's forty about to come on, come on over here,
come get on the show with us, my boy, come
on over here.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Let's talk about some basketball a little bit.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
So, right, what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Who is the TP general?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
The floor General's I mean, I'm the only person I
could really see, you know what, I'm gonn add another
guy I like. I like Kate cunning him.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Oh, I like that's a good name from he from
from I heard.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, Kay, Cunningham could really pass that ball, Like you know,
I'll see some of the things he doing. He scored first,
he can score. But me looking at him this year,
he's been having almost every game double digits and insists.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
I feel like that's the league now.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
It pushes guys like yes, like if you want to
be successful in this league, you have to do you
gotta do that, Like sha, he can get go out
there and get sist yep, you know, but he's also
a bucket looking at that ball.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's easier to guard maybe if your if your passport,
is it easier to guard for a defense, if your
past first point guard, is it easier for the defensive
guard you because you're not really looking to score every time.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Well, I can't say that because it wasn't easy to
guard Ronto, is.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
We all?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
We all know.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Though, Yeah, it was easy than guard if you had
going against. If you're going against, are you going against?
You us score the Utah offense. Like I used to
hate playing against Utah. At you tell that Utah team was,
I hated it. I hated it.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Bro, we just ran the offensive A who's your Millsap
was on that team too.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
You didn't get many dubs against his jobs? Did you?

Speaker 4 (25:48):
And ut It's tough to win in Utah, Bro, very tough.
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I remember that team.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
But they was will you'll play together? Though they'll play together?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
That ship was a squad.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
CJ wasn't Was he that young boy? Yeah? Young boy,
young boy? Yum boy? I mean he was our year
Yeah he's yeah, he's out of high school. Yeah yeah.
You know what's crazy? I never knew that.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
You know, he came out high school. I never knew
c I thought CJ came in later on you said
CJ was our draft class.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
I'm like, damn, he's draft one of the forty was
your forty one players? Should ever do it?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
I think it's forty one.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, there's one players. He's one of the forty one
players to ever do it im out of high school.
It's impressive.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's crazy to think about there's only forty one in
the history of the NBA. Let's talk with Jerry Sloan
Man obviously, uh known for a harden I guess hard knows, approach, discipline,
no nonsense. How was that for you coming in as
a rookie in the league. Obviously Ray talks about all
the time it's the most difficult position to play, especially
back then when there's probably where the point guard responsible

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for running the show.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
What was that like, man, Yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
There's mix emotions around it, like when I you know,
of course he's you know, arguably the best coach I've
ever played for, but there were some things that were
hard to deal with as a twenty one year old kid.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Just his his style.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, it was like he was very old school, very
hard nos which which I didn't mind. But I think, uh,
you know, me being stubborn, him being stubborn. We kind
of butted heads on a lot of a lot of
things at times, and I think, really what rubbed me wrong.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Early and what I had a lot of like.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Resentment and animosity built up towards him is because of
my rookie year, where there was no doubt I was
the best point guard on the team. The other two
point guards were. No disrespect to those guys because I
love both of them, Keith McLeod and Milk Plasio who
and who? And they were both great vets, both guys
that I leaned on my you know, my rookie year
and learned learned things from not only you know, on

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the court, but off the court. But that being said,
I should have been, you know, running the team from
the start. And Coach Sloan being old school, he doesn't
just give the keys to a rookie, and he wants
you to earn things and he played mind games and
you know, so that was tough for me to deal

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with and and and go through because like the first
start of the season, I'm playing like the first quarter,
I mean the second I didn't start. I was playing
the second quarter and fourth came off the bench and
I'm playing second quarter and fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
That's it. I'm finishing games, but I'm not starting them.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Interesting and then at one point during the first you know,
third of the season, both of them get hurt, and
I'm for sure I'm gonna start.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
For sure, I'm gonna start a point guards. No other
point guards left. He proceeds to start Andre Owens at
point guard. He was not what, bro, what do you
talk about mat who's not a.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Point guard, never played point guard. It was undrafted rookie
who made our team. And I love Andre as well,
I know him since since I was in high school.
But that just pissed me the fuck off, like out
like all the way, and so like from that moment,
it was hard for me to like get that shit

(29:23):
out of my mind because it was just like I
just had so much like because then I'm seeing I'm
seeing you and CP y'all just running the show right,
and like I know I could be doing that. We
end up missing that. We missed the playoffs by one game.
We were forty one and forty one. You're telling me,
if you don't just give me the ball from the
start and we just rock, we wouldn't made the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
So to me, it's like.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Almost like you know, you know, rubbed me the wrong
way and just and so but I now that I'm
older and I got older, and I look back on
things I understand why he did it.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
You know, it was pushing me.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
It was you know, trying to see how it spawn
see if I was shut down, which for a part
of the season I did shut down. I kind of
was like, I'm over this ship, like kind of want
I want out. I wanted like I just was over it.
Did you feel like you hit a rookie wall because
of that? Mentally, yeah, But then I had to, like,
I like, at at all Star Break, I just like

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changed my mindset. I'm like, all right, don't matter because
at times he was playing me at the two, playing
me at the one. He started like really messing with me.
I'm like, I'm like, I just gotta I just gotta hoop,
no matter if he puts me at the one, don't matter,
puts me at two, It doesn't matter if I play
forty minutes, don't matter if I played five.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
I just gotta hoop, play hard. And so I started
doing that, and then.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
All of a sudden and then he started me for
like the last I don't know, twenty five games of
the season or whatever it was, and he gave you
the from fucking keys o the second year now second year, Yeah,
he's I went to the summer or the Summer League.
I played two games and he's like, all right, shut
him down.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
It's all enough. So yeah, well I did.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I dealt with a SIMI situ wish than you did,
because I had Brevin Knight when I got to Charlotte
had b k that's my o G.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
And Bernie.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Bernie didn't. Bernie didn't start me, so I came off.
I came off the bench like the first ten to
twenty games, and then he started starting me in Brevin.
So I didn't even play the point a lot until
Brevin went out the game. Then you know, obviously I
had it. But I played the two. So I'm over
here guarding fucking Joe Johnson and Ray Allen and fucking

(31:31):
Dwayne Wade and all these dudes, like.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
I'm it's just I don't know, it was. It was difficult,
but I was just out there to try to make
it like a name for myself. Yeah, like you listen,
we're young, coming out of coming out of college, like
I felt like I was invisible. I felt I could
do anything I tried to. I was still trying to
dunk on people at that time until shot shot there,
dunk on people. Did you done? You have to you

(31:55):
see that reaction?

Speaker 1 (31:56):
You see that now?

Speaker 3 (31:58):
You me like, come on, we school, high school was together.
I don't just don't remember you taking off on people.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
You know, I haven't seen it. It's very fair. Can
we get did you take Peter? Yeah? I dunked on
the whole Wizards team and I haven't seen it. We
talked about it.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I never had bunnies.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
It was the dunk McDonald's game. They had baby bunnies.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Baby buddies is always remember.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
I remember Ray ye not in the league, though not
as much inbduction in the league. Brother through me, bk
through me lot. I need to see it. I just
need to see it. Taking a long time to pull
the footage. Okay, okay, we got something. This is old, bro,
that's like, that's that old time. That's old in my career. No,

(32:45):
go to the younger days, Kurt. Come on, that was
to the Bob Cat days. Yea, the Bob Cat days.
That was weak. That was a dunk that like, that's
how you do.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Depends when talking about and he can k Chris Humphrey stories. No,
oh no, that's okay, Damn, that is crazy. That's what
he wanted to know.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
That's what that's his boy, Tinton.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
That's that's not my homie. I mean, I don't know
him like that.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
That's all we got.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Ray.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
He was in the dunk contest, right, I told him
he was looking. That's one game I didn't watch.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
I was hot. Yeah, that was crazy, true, they left
you out. That was crazy. I wasn't she was weak.
This it's crazy because the only person that like had
a career in the NBA was Ray. Yeah, that was
crazy to me. There was like nine point guards that
year that It was crazy. Man, they didn't have what's
the who's in?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Elijah Ingram, Sean Dockery, Dee Brown, Anthony Roberson, Daniel Horden.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
He knows, remember, he knows. You the funk out of me.
It wasn't even the best point guard in Texas. He
wasn't even the best going to Texas he was. And
de Horton made also game. And I was like, I
d Horton and d Will didn't make it. I didn't
understand that. I mean, I fucked with the yort was
a ball. It was a hooper now, but I was like,

(34:09):
why do you will? This ship?

Speaker 1 (34:10):
This ship was min It's another Bracy right, No, Bracy
was Ray Listen.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
It was his teammate Anthony Robson.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
That was his teammate in high school. I said, Anthony
Roberson school. Uh that Adam.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
He was was our year.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, Roster he was was our year. He was we got.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
You're younger than And then with Sean mckants. Yeah, I
didn't understand that the will came down to South Carolina
and have it down there the Beachball Classic, So.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Man, we couldn't play on Sunday. So we are coach,
he took us down to South Carolina during the school
year for a tournament Myrtle Beach, and we were the
team was down there and we're supposed to meeting in
the finals. They had it paired up, play all the
games and then on to the finals. And then the

(35:10):
coach tell it, don't tell us till the till right
after the game that we can't even play in the
in the championship game because Texas teams back then weren't
allowed to play sports on Sundays.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
School sports public yea, public schools couldn't play. That's crazy,
that's crazy. We was at our coach like, why would
you even bring us down here.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
You took some giants all that year.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Right, I'm still mad. I took I took the mattha
out that year. He took each other. He was the
tallest dude on the team. He played play on defense. Bro,
he was the tallest dude. Okay, but what.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Come out? You're not gonna do go back? Come on now,
you six twelve, bro, Come on my side? Was acting?
You're two year for sciatica.

Speaker 8 (36:10):
The whole.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Come on, show me the whole joint. Yeah, okay, all right, gosh,
that's trash. Bro, that's getting a three. And Howard mister boos,
the Howard Goldfeeble, they gave you an eighty one. Yeah
that she was all right, check this out. Okay, I

(36:37):
give you that one.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Okay, damn it starts hanging on, it starts two.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Thousand and three. That was all right. Now, Now that's trash,
that's normal, that's that's.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Mid don't call this today crazy man, what they do.
But let's talk about your time at the Olympics, man,
Back to back.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
What you got, dude, that's tough. I think about that
a lot.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I can't even call it because I mean, I feel
like that's it's one of them things where like it
would be a back and forth battle, like because that
second team, that twenty twelve team had Anthony Davis, Russ,
Katie and James, but they were all young.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
They were all like under twenty three years old.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Know that the.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Eight, So that one's tough. Man Like.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I got twenty twelve, you got to twelve. That's my
I think that's the best Olympic team ever in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
It was a roster.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Cob was on it, d Will uh CP, James Harden,
Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant. The names were crazy. I think
Tyson was on the team too, and the name was
Hard and Russ Davis. That's my that's my best team
of all time, of all time. Of the twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Some crazy teams. There's some teams bore. This was cut
off and it's like it's like what do you How
how are the teams done?

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Because are they like if you take everybody in their prime, right,
because like Anthony Davis was out of it was out
of college, didn't played the game of he.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Was still in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
You still played in the limp I remember he barely played, right,
I ain't playing much.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
I mean, we had a lot of blowouts. So who
was the eight? Who's on the eight squad?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Kid?

Speaker 4 (38:27):
J kid Bron? You take the twenty twelve team, Mellow?
We have Mellow on our on the twenty twelve team
to I know, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Saying that, you know, can they pull them two thousand
and eight? That's two thousand eight up? Two ago Kurts twelve.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Okay, t P. Who's that in the back? Is that
Chris Bosh in the back? Who is that in the back?
Chris Bosh? And it is behind behind Mellow? Dwight, how
did you say? Who? Who did you said? Four years old?
He dude looks like Michael a little bit. Mike Red.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, trying to pull the twenty twelve team right now,
I don't know for some reason. I mean you had
Melobron said Bam, what bad? That team was stacked too.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
That's that's a tough team too, though.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
That's what I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
That's a tough team, Bro, That's a tough team. Just
like young James, young everybody are you? Are you going
everybody in their prime?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
No, I'm going at this moment because you, you and
CP were older heir right. I mean I was twenty
eight Yeah, you guys are a little bit more seasoned.
You obviously have James Harden. They were like young, they
were just.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
In the finals eighteen eighteen. You're right, they weren't that young.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
There's twenty twelve Lebron, the Miami Heat Lebron. Yeah, you
obviously have. Kobe was still killing twenty twelve. I got
that's my yout mellow In twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I wasn't playing with Cole oh Man. I mean you
hear a lot of stories about cobD Ship. Yeah, I
mean all the stories are truth. Like Cob is just
in his own own world, like he's just different. He's
just built different. He's always locked in. Like it's it's
like he's just you know, you talked about like the
Lebron and Cold comparison, Like Lebron is just like fun, great,

(40:23):
great energy, nice to talk to everybody, you know, lighting
the move, bring the energy. Cob just a savage at
all times. It's like he always just locked in. So
it's good to see. It's like good to see somebody
like that and see see their work ethic and like
it like puts things into perspective, like Damn, I need
to be harder.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
I need I could be doing more.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know, ask you a question. So we've debated about it.
Roll the ball out one game?

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is it Lebron or Kobe? Who you picking one on
one game? No one, It's a team game. It was
a team game, a team game.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
It was one on one on one.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
We said, get a bucket, like, roll the ball out,
you need a bucket. You're going with Kobe, You're going Lebron.
That's what it was to win one.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
That was the question you said, col.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Yeah, I told you. Yeah. I mean I think we
all said that. No, no, No, I said Kobe, you
said Lebron.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you and THEO said Lebron.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
It was an argument because I said Kobe.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
There was a massive argument, said Kobe.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
You was rolling with Kobe.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
But you was like, well, Lebron, you know that I
picked KD in that scenario over Bron. Let's get a bucket.
Are you get a bucket?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I'm glad I got another point guard on this show
to talk with me because talking about building the team
around I'm going Lebron one game.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Remember I made the comment five hongs and They roasted
me for that, but it was one game. They're your
first player.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
It's still the same thing.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I'm picking Kobe one game, you roll ball up.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I was picking Kobe. We all picked cold. I picked
I think the Lebron younger.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
We said in the team setting, roll the ball it matter.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Team said one on one, need a bucket. One on one.
I'm going with Kobe. I probably got to go.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
But I said, I think I know what you said.
You said it was easy. It's not even close. And
I was like, Yo, you're not gonna disrespect Lebron.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'm just saying I'm not dis And then I told
you I'm not disrespecting Lebron. But it's not it's not
it's not a question for me. If I'm choosing between
Kobe and Lebron, it's easy. I'm going with Kobe. That's
all I said. I'm not saying I'm disrespecting Lebron. I
couldn't go to Lebron because obviously I could go to
him too, But if I had to choose between the twos,
ten times out of ten, I'm going to Kobe.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know, Kobe's number two for him. He said that
multi he said that he's right. He said that time.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
He's my number two of all time, Kobe's two for him.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I understand that.

Speaker 9 (42:43):
M J.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Cole for me, that's how that's fair. He will you
right with that. I'm on that.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I'm on that standard. That seems I think it was
Baron Davis talking about why are we comparing? That's where
I'm that's you're saying, that's my stance, like different eras,
different player, Like that's.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
What I said.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
No, they played in the same arrow though. Who Lebron?

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Lebron and Kovid? But I'm talking about you do Jordan
Lebron like all time? No, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I'm with you on that one. Who you got is
your NBA champions year?

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Who do you who?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Early?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Who are you picking?

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Mm hmm?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
These two got okay, see yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
You gotta go through and that's who I would pick.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I just know how hard it is to repeat, Like, no,
there's not a lot of teams that repeat, Like statistically.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Did you see the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
We're you're talking about baseball, about the different sport. How
many how many teams have repeated? And I, yeah, you're right,
the Dugs, Lakers in Chicago, Miami, they repeatd Miami.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
In the last in the last one years, dumb heat
and Lakers in the last what in the last twenty years.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
I just don't nobody beat repeated. They didn't.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
They won five and they won ninety nine, two thousand
and one years, two year, two thousand and three, two
thousand and seven, and twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
You go right there, uh decades and see it and
low key Shay is like he's getting thirty every night,
like just because he's the winning without Yeah, no, the
second best player. I know. That's what I was just saying.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I was just talking about it last night, like Kurt,
it's not the graphic, by the way, And that's what
I said, Like if I had to, if I had
to pick somewhere and now, I would pick Okay.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
See, I just know how hard it is. It's hard.
It's hard to repeat. Go ahead, let me let let
you fish.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
That Boston could if they stayed healthy. That's a bigol. No,
they got no big man Boston. Oh yeah, they lost.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
They lost, Chris Stabs, they lost. They got nobody. So
THEO and I say it's Denver because they basically traded
Michael Porter Junior for Jonas valentiunas, Bruce Brown, which I
obviously won championship with them, Tim Hardway Junior, and Cam Johnson.
So they retooled the whole team, brought in death for
Jonas and the same team and okay, barely beat them
when they're a pretty similar team.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
That's all they picked. Go ahead, question for you, Brody,
how you feel about Larry Bird kill? Talking about Larry
Bird killing killing?

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Thank you? What's the What's is that he's a killer? Okay?
That was it? No, give him some context here we go.
Finish it.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Larry Bird, what are we talking about? Who's better? I mean, like,
that's what I'm trying to tell. Here's the and this
is what I talk about.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Ras right, But that's what I saying. But they disrespect
the birds so bad. They're saying it's like it's not
even close.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
He will I don't got a bag or whatever. Larry
Like Larry's bag was very like, very narrow. Yeah, but
he was a killer. It was a score. Bro heard you.
I heard you.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
And that's why I say it's hard to compare errors
like but you can't. It's so different than the people
that they was playing against. Were so different than like,
so I discussed played and Lebron Lebron the same way.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
How he is. I'm glad then back then he's averaging sixty.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Let's give him context. So the argument was, just.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Bro, Bro, you the twelfth man on the team back
then compared to the twelfth man on the team night
and day.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
You know, I understand the day, but it was way
more physical back then. So you're telling me Larry Bird
wan but he said, he said, Larry Bird want to
kill now.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
That I did because I feel like what you feel like,
whatad of dirt? Yeah, you would kill her the dirt,
But I wanted he would have played the same. That
is what I'm saying. You know you can't. That's not
the he played was physical and.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Larry the other side to that argument, right, it's like,
because like I see people talking bad about AI like
he couldn't play.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
I've heard it.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
You don't think an athlete of his nature is going
to adapt like if he was in our times, like
he wouldn't play the same way as all these He
was getting thirty.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Five with hand checking and and physicality, and now you can't.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Really breathe on anybody exactly. So I think the same
thing about Bird, like he was. If he was playing
in today's game, he would play different. He wouldn't play
exactly how he did back then. He would adapt and
play how they're playing today.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
It would be easier for him to score because you
can't touch and bump and do all the stuff they
was doing back then, the hand checking all of that.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
That's why close lining you when you go to the
bath for real.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
So the argument was that who we were ranking our
top five small forwards of all time, and me and
him said, it's Lebron and it's not the conversation who's
number one? And they said, it's a conversation between Lebron
and Bird and me and him said, hell though, that's
because if Lebron's and the gold, Lebron's won. Yeah, yeah,
that's what we're If Lebron's.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
That wild Lebron Lebron and then Bird, he put yea over.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I did it, just wow, I did. I did it
for argument, but you know I had already said it,
so I had to stay. I had a stamp up.
But if we be real, I'm picking.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
I'm picking on that list, Scotty. Why he putsving and.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I'm tripping.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Julius.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Julius, we removed like like seven people.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
That's like seven people.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh, but you're talking about our list. I think his
list was Lebron, Katie, Larry Kawhi and Scottie.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
George had to be on that.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
We kind of removed anybody.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Well, we removed like what we didn't really see you
know what I'm saying, because they had ball on there.
They had uh, they had some names out there, but
I was like, I didn't Adrian, we can go to
some names now, but you know, we know the game.
You know, these these young bucks here, give.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Me young bucks. You shoot old ship you're talking about
you're a young book. You know it's okay. No memory
of them, guy, I don't remember. I know you don't know.
I definitely don't say. Give me Rick Barry over bird whoa, whoa.
I don't know about that one. Barry was cold.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Cold was cool though over Larry put the Lebron and
labby Len Larry not the conversation.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
I love talking. Yeah, that makes sense right there.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Players of all how many threes the brook Low haz
take when he played with with me none, I used
to tell him. I used to get so mad because
he would shoot literally straddling the line and I'm like, bro,
one step back, three points. Paul Mills sad when he
played in U talk would not shoot threes. And then
when he got he got to the Hawks, he was launching, launching.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
He's a five step three? What where did that come from?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Miss, you played with KG?

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Right?

Speaker 4 (49:58):
KG, and and Joe Johnson. That's tough dud. The Raptors
to he got traded. Oh he got traded before you. Yeah,
well he was no. I played with him.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
He played with him a little bit.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
I played with him in New Jersey and then Brooklyn,
but he got traded for KG and Paul. He went
to why work?

Speaker 1 (50:17):
You were thought you were on the team that sent
us home in seven?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Right? The Raptors broke his foot, had surgery, some injuries.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
I was hurt, Paul was hurt. KG was you know
man his he was on one leg and wouldn't sit
the funk down like KG. You can't get him to
sit down. But he just he just wanted, He just wanted.
He's one of the monsters too, like almost like to
a fault where it's like, bro, you you're forty years old,

(50:47):
Like it's okay, we need you for the game.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
We need you for the games.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
But yeah, it was just like, uh it was jay
kids first year coaching, Like we had all types.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
That organization was just because on paper that looks scary.
Organization was just weird, you know, in a bad in
a bad way back then. Yeah, we should have been
better for sure.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
They got a question for you, how was this two
thousand and seven series against the Spurs?

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Sucked? Lost in four five?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
There I saw Cole people ask how difficult was it?

Speaker 4 (51:20):
It was tough.

Speaker 8 (51:20):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
It was just I mean they that was the same
year they swept Cleveland year in the finals. I mean
that was just a good team. Like that team was
sid they were so well coached, like they just had
already a championship swing.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
How good was to Parker? I don't think we don't.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I don't think a lot of us believe we could
beat them, Like going into the series and if you.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Don't believe, you already lost, Yeah, you already lost. I
didn't feel that way.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
I felt we could be but it just felt like
I felt like we didn't feel like we had a chance.
Was different, bro, Yeah, was so good in that offense,
like that their off under it is so hard to guard.
They just knew how to play the game. They made
the right play. Everybody on their team knew how to
play the game of basketball and played the right way.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
It was unselfish, even the guys who came off. The
guys came and that's what made the Spurs. So it
was good. Was their organization from top to bottom was
just like the best. Yeah, he was the standard for
organizations when we first came in the league.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Like, I mean, how many coaches have come from under
Pop and his seat, Like he's just in the league.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
The Pop coaching tree is crazy. It's crazy. Talk about
that because you guys always played for different organizations. Talk
about how important it is to go to a good
organization that has structure and actually understands how to win.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Man, listen, I started off as Charlotte. Yeah, I started Toronto.
I started off good. That's a luxury, that's good.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
But old school, like there were some things they needed,
like they weren't catching up on the times with and
kind of were behind the eve ball because they were
so stuck in their ways. But I will say great organization,
like ownership was great, coaching staff was great. Held you accountable,
you know what I'm saying. So made sure they got
the right guys in the organization. And then I went

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to I went to New Jersey and it was just
in disarray.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
We had rush. I mean like we had a Russian
owner that didn't.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Really know basketball, and the people he put in place
didn't really know basketball.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
So it made things very very tough, right, And so.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
He just made big sposhes moves, right, he just made
a bunch of trades with big names.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
That's what I'm here. You're not fucking New Jersey, No, No,
I liked. I had a great time there. I had.
I played for four coaches in three and a half years.
Damn you played with more coaches and the coaches in
three and a half years. You know, that is a
point guard that I dealt with that in Charlotte. Different
coach every year.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
When I was in Charlotte, every year knew new new playbook,
no consistency, like especially back then, like it was important
to get like chemistry with players and coaches and teams
and staff.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Just every year it was just different.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I went from Charlotte to New York, and that shit
was like night and day. That's when I really when
I really got in the NBA. It was my fifth
my sixth year when I was in New York because
Charlotte bro then we didn't have no chef. I got
to New York, man, it was like, we had a
chef on site to cook for you. And I'm like,
what the fuck is this practice.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Facility was off site from Madison Square Garden. I've never
seen this shit. In Charlotte, everything was right there at
the arena. Practice facility was downstairs. Arena was upstairs, and
to get your own food or they catered whatever they
catered you know back then, and it was just like,
I don't know, it was just different. And it was
fun times though in Charlotte, because still in North Carolina,

(54:56):
it was fun, you know. I had a lot of fun,
but I didn't have that luxury. We had a lot
of fun in Toronto.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
That was some bad teams boys, some bad teams Toronto, Milwalkee, Detroit.
I didn't really start winning until the end of my career. Yeah,
now that was another good organization that was actually a.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
One loved it. What the fuck? I loved it? Word, Okay,
I loved this I called at the end of my career.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Though, my last my last few years was like great
because then I went to the Clippers.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
For Charlie six six percent. Sorry, I didn't mean to
cut you off six percent worse suit.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Yeah, my ship was weak, I admit it. Hey, listen,
and one thing about me d woe. Man, I'm gonna
tell you the truth. She was weak. I look at it, Okay,

(55:59):
I was some bullshit. Oh I thought you watched it?
Ye want mean to tell you? Want me to? You
want another story about the how bout that ship? On
the draft day?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
You buying China?

Speaker 7 (56:07):
J C.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Penny? No bullshit? Was it? You save money though? That's
why I live the way I do. Now, that's fake, guys.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Jewelry like a motherfucker smart play the part you thought
it was really you thought it was popping that watched
right there? Way, no bullshit maybe like fifty dollars bro swear.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
This wash right here and now different now a little
different now, Yeah, I never got caught up back.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
To get the diamond chucker and pull up tomorrow you can.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
We can absolutely legit now, legit back then a little
different back then.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Like the Jewelish just to get your ass anyway, so
many Jewelish board that that that fuck that fucked you over?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Wow, like what just charge overcharge you or charge Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Know you you asked for a certain gold and they
give you something lesser they give you, give me eighteen,
they're giving you ten, or they're giving you silver. It
was just so much ship that, you know. The motherfuckers
has to do les. They said, somebody boat jingles trying
to look like.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Jngles in Texas. Now, yeah, they yep, that restaurant trash,
chicken spots, Chicken spot, chicken back down from dirty Rice.
They don't know about that both time. I don't know
about that.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah, you know, all right, let's let's get into today's stuff.
Appreciate obviously d Will talking about some of the past.
There's more John Moran stuff coming out. We've talked about
a bunch of times. No, this is not a negative
thing on him. Come on this part per se. They
say he has notes.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Sorry, No, I was.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Gonna say, what what's the latest? Because I saw something
on Instagram? But I was driving or I was doing something.
Something else came out.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I wouldn't say anything crazy about him. I'm just saying, okay,
get suspended like that was that was a game ago
we've talked about it, but more so like they're saying
he has no trade value, Dobe wants to trade for him.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
I don't believe that. I believe that I can see that.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
Talk to a couple of gms who told me, like
last summer, every player on the Grizzlies was available for trade,
that includes John Jared certainly curious to me that the
Orlando Magic were able to make a trade with the Grizzlies.
They got Desmond Bay, which made it apparent that they
could have got John Morant and decided not to.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (58:36):
Forty execs I talked to today said they really have
no interest in trading for him. One said it was
because it's a combo of contract and off the court issues.
Another suggested that if Jay is traded, it'll probably be
a problem star for a problem star. A couple of
them also said that you need to write coaching staff
to have such a mercurial star as him. And I

(58:58):
asked one current NBA coach if he with like the
coach John Moran, and he's not, and he said, I'm
not sure I'd want to.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Perception becomes reality, So I.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Just want to mark a pretty rep reporter. You guys
rock with my experience that you guys know, it's.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Not about not rocking with him or rocking with or anybody.
At the end of the day, John Moran is a
fucking hooper, bro, and he goes he's been through some Yeah,
he's been through some things off the court. You know
what I'm saying. Well, he's a hooper. So for anybody
to say that they wouldn't trade for him, it's insane
to me, It's insane.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
If I don't think his hooping ability is a question,
the liability becomes off the court.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
But he hasn't done nothing. He's gotten in trouble, yeah,
but he hasn't done nothing bro lately.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Like it looks like he was living independent for contract
contremental to the team. So what is that? There? You go,
but I know that, But what did he really say?
Though we was talking about this on the I don't
think it's what he said. Played the role Tay go
ext the coaches, but it's his effort that he was
given on the court.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
About that we talked about that, that's that was fucked
up on him, Like you still got to go out
there and hoop for your guys, regardless of what you're
dealing with with the coaches.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
But that adds up to all the other ship that
he's done. It's like this dude's a headache. It's a
lot of it looks like it's a lot of dudes
that's like that, and they still getting jobs. People still
trade for him. Jimmy Butler did it. Jimmy Butler would
go out there and want to shoot that motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
You know, Jimmy Butler was gonna give you a hundred
and ten percent time, but he There's been times he
did it. John Murrett plays hardest ship every time he
step on the court. But Jimmy Butler at the time Miami,
he didn't play before they let him out of Miami.
He won't even play. He won't even shoot the basketball.
He had an open shot of pump fake throw that
motherfucker back. That's given no effort now here, go to
state new contract, but have a good time. You don't

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got them gun ship them gun whatever, fucking ship all thegate,
whatever the fuck he had. I understand that everybody in
the same different, everybody in the same.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Though I feel like Jock comes with for a lot, right,
you don't know what you're gonna get, but don't know what.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
You don't know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I'm not saying that he hasn't changed so he's done.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
No, I didn't say he's done because at the end
of the day, he can fucking play ball.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Broue is definitely lower because of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
That will hurt you, right, that's what I'm saying. That's
gonna hurt you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
The trade value can't be low getting he's making make
it two hundreds something million dollars, so it's never gonna
be low.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
So you're gonna get something low because no matter what
you can get back, what are you gonna get back
for that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You've got to get something back. It's not gonna be equal.
The trade still got to be equal. The money's got somebody.
There's got to be somebody out there and say, all right,
you know what we can we can help him. We
can help him off the court. We we we can
use him on the court. Obviously we can help him
off the court. It got to be a team out there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Organizational product of the environment. You become a product of
your environment. I don't think Memphis is a good environment.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
From I see Miami. A lot of people say you
should go to Miami in the chest because play Miami, they.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
Can go the other way.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
He if he do that and second second floor Lemon
pe that means I don't know what that means. Please
floor Pepper. He pleaded the fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
I think I think Miami is a tough spot because
it's Miami. I'm gonna be honest with you, spot, that's
a tough spot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Yeah. I would have loved to though. I bet you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
He's gonna he's gonna higher up for moving to Miami tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Yeah, I would just love to talk to him. Man.
He was going on in his life, man, because he
just needs to He needs some guidance being real with him,
you know what I mean. He need a vent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
He needs a VT bro. And they took all the
events out of the league and got all these nineteen
eighteen year olds at the end of the bench now
and they ain't thinking about it. They're looking at Jill
like ship keep sucking up. I'm trying to get out
there on his court.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
That impacted you, pretty m who's a vet that impacted
you in your career?

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
And p I had a bunch of them, man, I
had great vets.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
You know my first year, I talked about Milk Plasio,
you know, he kind of gave me the ins and
outs of the league and schooled me on that. Then
I have Brevin Knight after that, and I had Earl
Watson after that. So I had I had that was
like my that took me up to like year five
by that time pretty much vet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
So I had. I had good dudes good at the
point guard position.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
That kind of helped me. And again I was in
a good organization. So but it's rare to have good
vets that played the same position. Yeah, that's crazy because
you know, like, oh, this d willis coming to get
my spot, So I got a mentor this dude. Nah,
But some dudes will put that aside and do the

(01:03:53):
right thing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Yeah. So that's why clearly you don't got that. You
don't have that at all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Somebody said Connelly that Connley finished in Memphis and Memphis
where he started would be a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
They should have never moved him because he was there
when Joe was there. Was he first year? Yeah, you
got Conley got moving twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
John been in the lead that long.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
John got draft in twenty eighteen. Oh actually no, I'm tripping.
I think John got drafted in twenty nineteen. Yeah, he
didn't drafted eighteen. He got drafted in nineteen, right, he
get drafted after the bubble right after? Am I tripping?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Yeah? You're tripping after the bubbles.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
In year six right now?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Or seven?

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Isn't he? Actually I might be wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Long in the league, he might be like, yeah, that's
been six seven years, he's twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah, Mike, they moved Mike when they when he got there,
So they didn't they didn't. Yeah, that's my fault. But
they should have kept Mike for real. They should have
really kept Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
So that is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
We got to get into it because you know, there's
been two shows in the row we've talked about it.
Charlie says, quote for quote, he would take Austin ree.
It's a conversations over jaws over who John right?

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
What do we? I mean? What's this like in a
per world or as is right now?

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
He says, it's a basketball player in the perfect world
right now, right now?

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
What's going on right now?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Basketball?

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Only listen to get all the stuff that's going on.
I can't hooping everything that's going on. But we're talking
about hooping. Bro, Like, if you're talking about who's the
better player? Come on, what are we talking about? Of
course is John We said that's all basketball. But if
I'm building a team.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
As your number one, you're picking.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
And I don't want no. If I want to make
a good investment, my safer pick is that's all I
mean to start your franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
No, it's not a safe pick to start your franchise.
Res Sorry, we're.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Talking about Austins right now. Right now, I'm not talking
about right now. Ain't nice. No, that's what they say.
They gave They say, Paul George is better than Paul George.
Right now, it's better than the one who came on
the show is Flowers. I gave him the slow was

(01:06:05):
on the show. You said, Paul George, but you're still
rolling with Paul George And you said it's not even close.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
He didn't say that. I don't think I didn't say that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
You said, what now, wait what I said, I'm rolling with,
still rolling with Paul George over here? Right now? Over
who reeves I'm still rolling with? Disrespectful?

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
How's that district? You're disrespecting Paul George? Paul George plays
seven games in the last three years. I understand that's
the issue. I don't think about issue. I don't think
it's about Paul George game. If that's that's I go back.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
To perfect world.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
If the perfect world and Paul's playing eighty two and
Austin playing eighty two, Yeah, taking Paul George all.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Day, if if, if, if p can't play, obviously, then
it's not it's not a question talking like you're taking.
But given that scenario, Charlie is right for taking of
the res Yeah, no question. I would take ass if
PG is hurt. But job over John scenario right now?
Are we're talking about right now?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
But if you were to pick him because my thing
but the start of the season, you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Over am I am I overlooking all the gun ship
the wildly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Not all that ship have to well, to be fair,
that hasn't popped up for two years. Right now, I'm
talking about job right now. Let me ask you this,
right because the court in the whole year. Bro Let's
get some context though, right they changed the whole of
in Memphis. They brought it a new coach. Everybody thinks
it's fucked up. How Terry Jenkins got fired. They want

(01:07:28):
to run a five out offense instead of pick and
roll for Jaw's best. Are you not going to be
upset as a point guard?

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Yeah, but you got to adapt. What said, he had three,
i mean four coaches in three and a half years.
Got to fucking adapt figure the ship out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
These kids are different, and I'm not making different and
I'm not making no excuse for him, but these kids
are different. We know that, like the way we did
things back in the day is not the way these
these little wais is gonna do it. It's just what
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
That's just how it goes bro And I'm not making
an excuse for Joe. You know, he got to get
a shit together, you know what I'm saying. Hopefully somebody
can get in his ear and things have changed. But
at the same time, if you going into practice every
day and this man trying to implement the offense, you
don't really fuck with the coach. He trying to implement
the offense that don't fit you, and you supposed to

(01:08:20):
be the guy. If I'm the guy, you're supposed to
put the office around me. Because in differ they put
the office around Yokich Okay. See they put the office
around Shay in New York, the offices around Jalen Brunson,
like everybody, the offense is fit for you to be
the best for you, so the team could be the best.

(01:08:40):
So if they're not doing that in Memphis for John,
then get him out of there. Get him out of there. Yeah,
bring somebody in that could go, that can fit this
five in five out offense that he's trying to run.
Because it ain't fit for joh that's it. Don't just
tarnish the man's career, his reputation. No, I'm not talking
about you, I'm talking about them over there in Memphis.
Turns the man career, his reputation. He already dealt with

(01:09:02):
the ship off the court. He already got a bad
name for that. Now you added on to it now because.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
He just need a fresh start. There you go, his
name is tainted. Get a first start somewhere, That's what
I'm saying. You know that because he deal with the
ship off the court. Once you start winning, people forget
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Can you name anybody else on the roster?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Uh KCP right, Yeah, then you want big fellow, big
fella alma A shooters from.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Right, he can Edie Edie what's the young boy named
rookie from last year? That was real good, but he
broke U on Wells.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
I like him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
J Willis also like they tradew Desmond.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
That that I didn't understand. That's a twenty point score,
That's what I'm saying. But it's stuff like that. These
dudes been battling for years together, you know what I'm saying.
Young guys came in together basically, you know, made their
names with each other. And then you trade, You trade
my homie, you trade, you get rid of my coach.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
People he's heard.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Out of there too, So I mean, it doesn't I
agree with him. It doesn't feel like they're supporting him
or trying to. That's just why I do believe that
he needs to act more of a leader and take
the higher road rather than have those that tone in
the media like you just got to be You're the
leader of a franchise, right, You're in your middle.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
When you mad, you mad, though, some signs some ship
come out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I get that now, I'm with that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Have you seen some of his comments show I haven't
seen nothing. You haven't seen anything?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Oh yeah, he hasn't seen the comments. That's why went
on for.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
There as.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Do you feel like, I mean, there was anything you
could do differently regards they had a whole spell to him.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
So from the outside and that I said may be wrong,
but from the outside, it didn't look like you had
your use only energy tonight. Okay, he like you should
play more.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
What could have been done different get a different outcome
other than actually the coaching staff.

Speaker 9 (01:11:11):
Uh, according to they don't probably don't play me honestly,
that's what basically a message was happen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
So that's cool. The coaching staff was cool. We're good.
You didn't have anything physically wrong, dons or anything. Okay,
I'm fine, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
So that was before he got suspended. He got suspended
for that. Well, I don't playing what happened last night
or two nights ago, Kurt?

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
And then he came out and said that, Kurt, you
have that video. He was about to play the video
that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
And I want you to give me your feedback. Well,
and what's the coaching staff stand? Sorry, thank you, we
haven't heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
In the coaching staff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
I will to talk about what happened, and.

Speaker 9 (01:12:00):
Law y'all asks that question, the huh what about for
you or y'all ask that question?

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Y'all know the answer to that. Do you feel like
everything's been resolved? Yeah? They told you all that, right. Well, yeah,
but when you don't hear it from.

Speaker 9 (01:12:16):
You, obviously they can't go and tell y'all something.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
An you say, you feel like you get the same
joy right now, but we used to see for uh no,
why not?

Speaker 8 (01:12:29):
Hm?

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
What can be done to get it back? Well, we'll see,
of course. Do you think you have a good relationship
with the franchise?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:12:38):
General, Yeah, they told y'all that, right, You didn't say
anything about that. If I had a good relationship, I
wouldn't talk to him at all. So do you what
And we've had our convos over thease.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Do you think he regrets about the way you played
on Friday night? And the second half? You said? What
do you think he regrets about the way you played
in the game? I'm not talking about that. That's your
home run question with your horn sound like a bake.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Well, I'm going to try to find the coaching club,
but the coach, basically the coach that's on them all
right right right here? About sub patterns and these.

Speaker 10 (01:13:10):
I would say I have a lot of understanding for
for the players who say this. I think a lot
of players have been conditioned throughout their career to play
in longer stints and to go find that rhythm and
and uh, basketball, just like every other global team invasion
sport is evolving and the demands on the intensity are

(01:13:31):
higher and higher, and and we are looking to also
adapt to the times. And that's that's one of the things.
And and yeah, a lot of planning, a lot of
feel goes into planning the sub patterns. I think what's
often forgotten is the what comes out the actual sub pattern.

(01:13:52):
It's to optimize results in the short, medium, and long term.
That is the only goal of the sub pattern. To
find a competitive advantage from it, because.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
That because that's the analytics talking like so so analytics.
I will say from my career, like when I started
with Coach Sloan, I would play the first six minutes
of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
He would send me out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Regardless of how hot I was, how it was going,
if I'm rocking and I would get some some games,
I would get so pissed off because I'm like, why
are you taking me out right now?

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
The Jersey don't have a card card? Yeah? One card? Yeah,
school man, you want to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
And so I get like, if that's why what John
is mad about, Like if he's just subbing them just
to sub just because his card says it, and like
analytics say this is the perfect time. It's like, Okay,
sometimes the analytics isn't everything to the game. You gotta
go the field of the game. What's going on, time, score,
moment and whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
So I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Now that being said, I don't know the content text
of what's going on, so I can't really speak on
the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Can John handle it better? Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
But he's also a young kid, right, and stop with
that young ship. He's twenty six is young?

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Still young?

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
I was, I was still making dumb ass were I
was headed, So you can't. But to me, it's like
he's not a kid. You can a motherfuckering players because
you're old now and you and now you look at
things differently, right right, differently? We could like if I
was if I was in those situations now at forty one,
with the knowledge I have and the work I've done

(01:15:34):
on myself, my whole career would be different. Fair, But
this kid he's still going through And that's why I said,
I wish I could sit down and know what's going
on in his life because you don't ever know what
people going through life off the court, so that plays
a part and everything. So I'm not gonna sit here
and just talk shit about fair enough situations. I don't know, right, Like,
I don't know the backstory everything is going on. So

(01:15:55):
there's that being said.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
But yeah, he can handle it differently, he can handle
it better. Is he going to maybe not with it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Maybe we don't know that what's going on every day
in that locker room and in the training room, and
like to get him to this point where he's just
fed up. Right, But my point is this the will
being paid two hundred and some millions. Yeah, I get yeah,
you are the best player. Too much as given, much
as expected. So at the end of the day, I
don't give a fuck what you got going on in
your life. You gotta still show up. That's why I'm

(01:16:26):
giving you. That's that's yeah, it's unfair truth you show up.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Yeah, that's what we're giving you this point. So that's
all I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
The only thing I can think of is he's trying
to literally get traded at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Yeah, he won't. Maybe he's taking that Jimmy Butler out.
He won't out let me out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
That's fair, you know, I mean, this is this is
the context they say he quit on this team and
just look pretty lacks of days in the game.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Look at all of this. Now, it's just the offense.
He's not happy with the office because what is he
because what is he doing? Like he's trying to go
one on one? They packing the paint, like comes to
the pick. That's because he's standing up straight. Yeah, he's not.
You could tell a little bit of the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Context for you. That's the game. The first clip he
saw it was after this game, and then he got
suspended after he said what he said about go as
the coaches gotcha. So yeah, anyways, we talked about Joe.
I don't want to say at least an hour and
a half in the last three episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
So we can move on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
But appreciate your inside.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Joah, holler at me. Hey got some good point guards
on here that can that can help you out. Now
he's from the crib too, though, I'm gonna reach out
to his dad, reach out to him. See what's going
on with him? One thing I do know, though he's
a he's a stubborn little kid. Though we all are.
We are stubborn. Stubborn. Tell me nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
That gave me to see how I you can't tell
me ship these contracts is crazy, but good for shol.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Ladies and gentlemen. Hold on, you have to bring away
cupsh out what happened? I think we just be direcord. No, yes,
hein Kurk, bring out the red cupta drink hund what
I need a sprik, I need a spiky curk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Current live viewers. So we started off at like sixteen.
Our peak was sixteen or twenty four in the first week,
and we're seven weeks in them. We've it's kind of
grown year over yere a week over week.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Look at it? Yeah, yeah, look at the time. Yeah,
look at the these dudes be on here getting Yeah.
I know I don't drink. I don't drink me and right,
we don't drink. I don't drink either, like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
You know, I don't drink. I've never drink in my life.
I don't smoke, don't drink, none of that. Choir boy
being right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
No, no, no, I gotta take a close this ship
with me. You don't have to know, you don't have
to show if you don't really have to, you don't
have to. You want shot, we ain't do a shot.
Fellowship with us, This fellowship ain't gonna lie. That's the
one thing I do miss about the NBA, the fellowship, fellowship,
bro breaking bread, traveling, the dinner's and flights.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
I don't traveling. I don't miss you miss travel amount
of traveling now. But the way we travel was pretty good. Yeah,
but getting in it at.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Two in the morning to get up the next day,
you back to back, traveling across the.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
Way we traveled.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Damn bro there trying to get us right over here.
Four games and five nights and five different cities.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Cheers, gentlemen to three hundred, appreciate you pulling a.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Little of that sprite, right, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Can you get them?

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Come on? All right? I'm good? Are you sure? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Cool?

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Cheers? What you're doing? What you're doing? I gotta stay hydrated.
Did you already take the shot?

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
No, no, wait, so you you just put the water
before you drinking. That's not a shot? What you mean
a shot with water? I'm confused right now now, which
means the shot with water.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
He's confused.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
You're gonna chuck the whole thing. Yeah, I take this
whole ship to the dome. Let me get a little
frightening because he just made a whole mixed drink. I
need to say hydrated. That I mean, I don't talk
about when we.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Hit a hundred, they made me take three shots in
the row.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
That was crazy. I talked about my dog was what
was the problem? Like this and the rest of the
show just dazed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Bring out the dieas we will not be bringing the jerseys.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Hongdoing O G Agent style? What's that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
I have no idea? Be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Be lit, Hong, Do be lit? Play that? Play that,
play that sound bite?

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Hong, be lit? Who did that?

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Ain't got quiet? We will talking about it later on.
A good question, asked a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
That's a great question. But yo, we got some good
games tonight. We got a primetime game one Me versus Luca.
You're excited for that?

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
I can't wait. How do you feel about Wimby? About Wimby?
Because I'm not gonna I'm a fucking fan, bro. Yeah,
how could you not be.

Speaker 6 (01:21:26):
War?

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
War war war woe. You always do that. He wasn't rolling.
I wasn't wanting about them in the playoffs first, not
the individual.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
No, No, when we put named them the top three player,
he was off that. I didn't say he was top
five and he's not even top ten. That was your no,
that was your energy that I say he was the
top five. What I said, because the thing came out,
he was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
What I'm espn. Yeah, but I'm almost that's rage baden,
thank you. Rage is a great term for that. But
I'm almost sure race that he can move himself from
the top five this year. I'm pretty sure it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
You know, Charlie always gotta come with me all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Here's here's the thing they got. They got two hundred. No,
he paid all the bat off the.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
Pay off the bat I got a thousand on the
Indiana joint.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Yeah, he basically make the playoffs. And he said they wouldn't.
I mean, the Pulicans would be better.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
But it won't make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
But he said he's rolling with but he didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
He didn't pay off the bat. He apologized, man rolling.
He showed me some ship. He showed me some ship.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
So let's get to it. Are you guys excited for
this game? This is gonna be that mad for that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Is Tommy and Ghost is crazy. Crazy is for sure Tommy?
For sure?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
You Ghost grind me his head two face. Put that
goddamn hoodie on his own. Put the hoodie on't just
pop out anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yeah, that's gonna be exciting that one't being in, Luca,
Hell yeah, we want to see that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
I'm tune in and for that. Hell yeah, I'm tuning in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
You got where is it at in l A?

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
I got the spurs. I got spurs to bro. What's
wrong with bron right now? H mm hmm? You know, man,
I didn't getting old man? He's forty right, would be
forty one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Who you got?

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
Who got tonight? Ye? Lucas, I don't think we're watching
the NBA games. You don't even watch the games. He
will watch playoffs. I was about to say he watched
the season.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Just don't hit like that. For me, it just seemed
like it just seems like team with the new player
and teams is just okay.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Getting in.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Hey, I gotta talk about I got to give my
man d Will his flowers. I got give him Flowers
on one thing. We got fucking one up on the
NFL football players one up second.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
I would I thought they would have some more of them,
like it should. It should have become a thing like
every year they have a But you should have kept
it going though. Why'd you stop? I'm forty one, that's
the fact. Yeah, yeah, about getting just waking up. You
got through that because I took it last minute, which
that was part of the reason, because I came off
the couch and I was a little I was out
of shape for sure. But that training camp, training for

(01:24:23):
that ship, it's like you got to dedicate yourself again
to a sport, and that sport you get hit in
the face, which is crazy. It's a whole different mindset.
I ain't gonna lie. I'm glad you you you stood
up for the NBA Gouys.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
We was looking back. Well, I mean, Nate had no
business out there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Nate thought. I get what Nate thought. Nate thought, I'm
an athlete. This kid ain't no athlete. You gotta do
some research. Kid wrestled. If somebody wrestled growing up, they're
tough because I wrestled growing up, and so you're gonna
be naturally, you're gonna be a little tougher.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Well, he was already boxing, and he was already box. Yeah,
so what I'm saying, Yeah, he's already experienced. Like I'm
not doing good for us, Bro and d will gave
us a little bit of hope, give him some back,
give us some hope back again. We appreciate you, Bro
giving this ball play and do what.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
I can do and I can represent. Also, shout out
to Oasis.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
What's that mean? You will still live in America? Shout
out to Oasis?

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Maybe you're still living else?

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Will you be living? Where does he live at? Maybe?
Because I be traveling ship.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
That's the South Carolina. That's uh, that's that's a homey
from South Carolina. Kelvin, He's always in shout out to
Evian's always in this chap. I want to talk about
Anthony Edwards a little bit. He may return tonight versus
the next primetime game. But I do like or we've
all said that, we like the fact that Anthony Edwards
is the type of player that will build you up.
He'll give confidence his teammates. And I want to play

(01:25:50):
the clip on what Jaden McDaniel said.

Speaker 8 (01:25:51):
Day, this this mellow head?

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
What's up? Chance?

Speaker 9 (01:25:53):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:25:54):
When?

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
When when did that level of confidence become validating, solidified
and your mind? When do you say, you know, I
have to be that that Rob and I have to
be that that next guy next to and and bring
something different and give him something that that he can
rely on when we go into the bunker.

Speaker 6 (01:26:10):
Uh probably I'll say probably last year the playoffs or
the year before playoffs. Just uh, always installing that confidence
in me and telling me like, because we've been playing
with each other since high school and against each other,
so he always say, go play like Jayden j macja
high school Jay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Then So that's what I try to go do.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
And I just appreciate them always having my back end,
want willing me to want me to go score and
do them other things.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
So a couple of things. Obviously, I know you probably
have to put the battery path and well the drinks
got to me the battery and something's past.

Speaker 7 (01:26:44):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
You guys have probably heard that from your superstars. What
does that do for you?

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Say?

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
What you guys have to You probably have to put
a battery in somebody's pack and be like.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Yo, uplock, don't disrespect me off. You know what I mean, Bro,
I didn't hear what he said. He did, he fumbled
his words. I get that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
But you probably have to give some confidence to the
player when maybe somebody was out or maybe you were
out at the time. What does that do for a player?
I'd ask you guys as well, like what kind of
conference does that give when the star player comes you
and says, yo, go get it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's common with with the
leaders of a team, right, you gotta that's part of
being a leader. It's like knowing your guys, knowing guys personalities,
their traits, when they're down, when they're up. You know,
when when you need them to get you know, somebody struggling,
pulling him out of hole. So yeah, I mean that's
that's that's a big part of the game. A big
part of being the leader is doing what Ann did right,

(01:27:40):
going to guys who he knows he needs to step
up for them to be successful because he can't do
it on his own.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Ray You've talked about his confidence in general, like how
he makes everybody's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
To me, he's one of those He's one of those
guys like if you look at the n b A.
He's a much watched TV player. He plays with confidence,
and it's good to hear that he gives his fellow
teammates confidence as well. And if you understand that you
need everybody as a hold and it's just not all

(01:28:18):
about you. To me, that's a guy that can end
up being And I don't know if y'all can vouch
with me on this one. Hes a guy that could
be facing the NBA absolutely got to be facing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Him and him and shared my favorite players hands down.
I love watching him. I watched him every night they playing.
Watch what he's been out, change your perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
But I like Guards, right, You're a biggie man, you
know what I'm saying, So I get it right. I
do love watching Wemby too, but like Guards is you know,
I like watching the guard.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
Position makes sense. I know what it makes sense. And
I thought Jo was gonna be you know, am me
too up there too.

Speaker 11 (01:29:03):
Exactly? You know, come on right him, I'm still rocking
with him. But I got it rocking with him too
because he can still sucking hoop. Yeah yeah, but come
on now?

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Yeah, all right, cool. Let's get to Devin Booker's comments.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
Can you pull it up. What happened he's been he's
been falling too the image.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Kirt So basically just said he doesn't see himself leaving
Phoenix because, you know, Steph Curry holds a special place
and everybody's heart in the Bay and he has a
similar type of love in Phoenix. We talked about yesterday,
loyalty does not exist in sports. How do y'all feel
about this statement? Do you guys think Devin Booker retires
as a son as well?

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
You know they double down on him still being that
guy to give him an extension, big fat extension at
that got a lot of money. So bona fide player, men,
I've been watching him this year, what he's been doing.
He's the reason why they they being in games. They've
been winning some games. He's a he's a bona fid player.

(01:30:06):
He's definitely one of my top two guards in the
league for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
So where I asked Ray though, is because with go
somewhere else to go win if they don't win, because
they don't they're not gonna win this year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
I think he'll stay with you. But there's he's at
a place where people will go to Phoenix. He can
get somebody to come play with him in Phoenix. It's
hard to get somebody to come to Milwaukee. No offense
to Milwaukee. I love Milwaukee, but everybody don't have that perspective.
I have no problem with Milwaukee. I like Milwaukee.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
I love Milwaukee my three years there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Well, I'm what I'm saying. I have no problem in
that city. But let's be honest. You will go to
Phoenix before you go to Milwaukee so he can get
somebody to come there and to play with him. So
I can see him staying there his entire career because
you can get somebody else to come over there and
play with you to to try to win.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
The grass ain't always greener. Sometimes you gotta organization. You
like where you're at, like where you are, where you're at.
You know, you see, look at look at everybody wanted
Dame to leave, wanted Dame to leave, wanted Dame to leave.
Now he's back where he started. It's not the same name.
Back home is not the same name that they're getting.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
True, you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
That's what I'm trying to argue.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Six months you're trying to argue.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
When y'all said Steph should leave the Warriors to go compete.
You said that, y'all you and feel I can pull
up the clip and I'm not betting because I ain't
losing my handles about to say, I said, I'm almost
ninety nine percent sure. I ain't put.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Anybody's drunk right now. No, I'm not exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
I said he should go, he should go make a
move if they don't make a move. And I said
the ground greener.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
No, I didn't never say Steph would leave. I mean
what you call it. I just said I would like
for to see him play in Charlotte one year. That's
all I said, because it's where his dad played, this
where he's from.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Of course, why not, bro We were in the We
were in the old, the old him, and they are like,
he's out of there. He should get out of there
if they make a move at this trade deadline. I
almost remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
I said, but you know, pull it up, we'll fight,
we'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Hung lit, He's lit.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
For sure, and lit right now. He is lit.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
But I don't think you should. I don't think you should.
I think there's you spend twenty years of the organization
of fifteen that matters to me at least, I think.
I think that's special.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
I think he will retire him and Steve Kurr will
retire together. No, I also think the book he ain't
going nowhere. No, the book ain't going nowhere because it
kind of you remember that K. D. Bradley beal. They
are some names over there, bro, and the fact that
they doubled down on them, like, Yo, we're rocking with you.
I think they just gonna rock rock with him into
the wheels fall off. I mean there are some some

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organization I would do that. You know, Indiana did it,
Regie Miller, Dallas did it with fucking dirt Cold with
the Lakers even though he ain't start and he was
got drafted. Charlotte Spurs with Timmy. So there's some of
the organizations that will rock with you. But again, there
is no loyalty in this business. I truly believe that,
believe that. So you have to be careful. You never know.

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You might be thinking one thing and the motherfuckers be
thinking another. Motherfucker surprise you trade Chip.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
It's crazy that you were told you you wouldn't be
moved and the next day you were.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
Moved, exactly when the organization tell you're not going to
be moved. You should be scared, clearly, She'll be scared. Clearly.
I've seen that happen so many times. We ain't gonna
trade you. We love you. Next morning, you trade it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
No, that's that's facts.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
I double down on that. It happened to me. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Question for y'all, back to backs can be a statement
when I'm assuming, so, okay, he's got back to back
in Portland, they're undefeated, then we got the war is
going to sacrament on the back to back and Philly's
on a back to back against Cleveland? Is there such
thing as a statement win this early in the season?
And obviously what is a back to back like when
you're going against tough teams like that potentially as pros

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because I don't think everybody actually understands that. You guys
get in at two three am. You gotta be up,
but shoot around sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
I feel like you remember like Dallas that's I couldn't move.
He said that because I couldn't move. This is right,
fair enough, fair enough? Yeah, that in his career.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Yeah, So question for you all is that does this
you know you hear signature wins if OKC goes takes
a game against Portland at home on a back to back.
Does that matter? Does that build momentum? Does that do
anything for your season? Or is it it's November, We're
not even looking anything till March.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
To wait too early?

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Like, yeah, it's good, it's good for confidence, Like a
win is definitely good for confidence, especially for younger teams.
But like you said, it's November, not even you're not
even remembering a game and when you get to December
January that you had in November, So.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Yeah, surely cool.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Got anything else? No?

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
I said the same thing. I say, it's too early.
It's way too early for that. Yeah, it's early.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
It's way too early. I mean, like, what was saying,
you're playing eighty two games. This is game nine.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
You're not gonna even fucking remember that at game fifty
what happened in Portland? You're not?

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Now I'm with that, all right. It's Draymond's comments. Oh boy,
can you pull up the first one? Will Draymond be
what I saying?

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Oh, he basically he's always He basically said that the
Wars every time they play like younger guys, it's like
playing the finals because they grew up kind of idolizing
them because in the finals, you know, twenty fifteen to
twenty nineteen. I guess it's like a childhood dream and
that's why those guys come to play their best every
single time they play. How do you guys feel about

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that statement?

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
That's fair, He's right, He's right. It's just like when
you get into the league.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
There's guys I grew up watching want to be like
and I wanted to bust their ass, and vice versa.
When I you know, towards the end of my careers,
guys that got in the league, they probably wanted to
bust my ass.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
They grew up watching me. It's just part of it's
just part of the ass.

Speaker 10 (01:36:17):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Want New York bro, always that New York.

Speaker 11 (01:36:25):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
We can't say bust their ass now? Not around here?
A little suspect my bad. Yeah, I might have lost me.
This episode might have lost me. This episode? You done already, bro.
I'm so I'm so lightweight. Bro, I'm a lightweight. I

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don't drink like that. I'm a lightweight. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Fucking twelve o'clock. Why do you want to say the shot?
Because we have to once we get to when we
be every when we be our numbers, we have to
we have to do it. We we I'm an honest man.
We made that pack one shot for he did three
at one point.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
I gotta drive.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Ain't no way when we hit a hondo because we
were only at two digits. We handle. They made me
do three in a row. When we get to a thousand,
we gotta do five in a row, all.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Five back to back, bing bing bing bing bing me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Crazy raising raisinclude you know right, don't drink chill.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
I didn't do something drunk, I know, but that's what drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
He said. He said, my light one up.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
I said I would do it light one up. I
don't know if it's you know, if we could do
it in here? You know, can we?

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
I don't know, y'all talk the higher ups.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
I can apply. You just get a pin in a way.
It's smokeless, he said on air. Can we do it on?
Get him some milk?

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Sorry from Queen's Too right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Star got jokes, bro start, I have to leave the
show if I drinks.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
Want to call me? Diddy Ville called me all types
of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Okay, what Glizzy the neighbor or whatever?

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
He called you glazy? Diddyville knowing he called me all
types of shit. It's all good, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
His next comments Kevin Durant, Draymond Green around Kevin Durant.
Kevin Durrant basically said, and it was pulled out of
context for a lot of people, basically, offense wins championships.
So dre basically caught back and said that there's defense
in Golden State when you want championships. But for context,
and you know, the Golden State had one of the

(01:38:37):
best offenses ever and their defense wasn't ranked in the
top ten when they won. So that's some contexts everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
I haven't say it again, sorry, say.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
That again their defense that year when they want to
believe it was twenty eighteen, the Golden State wasn't ranked
in the top ten, but their offense obviously was the.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Top five offense.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
But he was, you know, Draymon, he said some controversial stuff,
so he was not too happy. But Kadi saying that, uh, if.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
They won't ever happy, that's a good point. You said
what I said when Daymont ever happy? Oh, I mean,
at the end of the day, I feel like, but
this is me. I'm offensive mind. I don't really think
defense that's good.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
We know you don't play. Defense is not known for
his defense. My defense. It's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
At the end of the day, the will Yetta put
the ball in the basket more than the other opponent. Yeah,
so offense to me wins game. That's just me, especially
in today's league. But you still need d to win. No,
not in this game defense. It'd be one forty five
and one thirty seven the regular season.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Let's talk about championships and playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
You gotta be able to playoffs that don't change? Yes,
do Does it pull up the finals score some least?

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
I mean, I guess. I mean I haven't been in it. Meantime,
I don't. You ain't never been in the finals.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
I never begot a game. Game one was one eleven
to one ten. Game two was one twenty three one
O seven. Game three was one sixteen to one O seven.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Everything's over one hundred four.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Game five was one twenty to one O nine, Game
six was ninety one to one A eight, and Game
seven was one O three ninety one.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Do you all remember when eighty eight to ninety Yes,
that's what I was. I remember seventy I remember seventy
four to eighty four. You know what I mean? If
you hit a hunt, it was like whoa Like that
was crazy. Remember the Detroit Pistons. That was fucking special.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Trolly can tell you this. If you scored one hundred
points in Toronto, you get a free pizza from Pizza Pizza.
Do you remember that?

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
That was like a fucking luxury. If you score over
one hundred, I.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Know you got a three pizza pizza.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Your bring was hot if you allowed one hundred points, Yes,
twenty not happening, bro, We're it was hot if we
allowed one hundred points now, just like.

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
I would have extended my career now keep it working.
I would have got a couple of years ago for
this league. He was for this league.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
But do you feel you fit better than in the
area you played in or today's later.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
I could fit in both. Honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
I would have just had supreme confidence playing this ship
to be able to just come up and launch like
a lot of these shots now today were terrible shots
when I played terrible, terrible. If you got confidence to
make them and you're still shooting, you know, damn near
forty from three. So I would have launched a good
at least ten eleven threes a game. Oh man, I definitely,

(01:41:39):
I damn show with a shot more. I can't believe
they was like, man, you gotta be a facilitator, all right, cool,
I changed my game around. I was a score You
gotta change that ship in order to stick. Now, see
here you go, you go, Coach Sloan one of us.
So he didn't want to to shoot to the last

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ten seconds of a shot clock.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
We wanted us to use. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Use make them guard, make them defend so they get tired,
which is a good strategy.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
That's fair enough, I get it, which is why we
didn't score on hundred and twenty points very often.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
But I would say that too, right, like when we
look at these scores in the finals last year, like,
there's a lot more talented now. I think when you're
talking about a hundred points, hundred and ten points, it's
not that many. That's not that many points with the
pace going up and down. Now talented, there's more talented, Yes,
I would, I would say, but then not more.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
Defense is not really let me but defense is not
emphasized like that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
It's not because we can't believe you had to play defense.
You didn't play defense. You couldn't see the court of
some teams.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
Yeah, I'm very aware of that, very aware of that. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Yo Lewis t says, I'm in Charlotte, worst basketball ever,
run up and down, taking bad shots, making dumb plays.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
Dang, it's a lot of bad teams out there, gentlemen,
A lot of bad teams out there in today's game.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Now I'm with you, Sheltera Wastes. By the way, sponsor,
did y'all did y'all see the Bulls commentator what he said?

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Chuck scor again the prize veteran steps south and it's
the biggest shout of the season. Oh my goodness, Elizabeth,
I'm coming again, Elizabeth. Oh, it's the big with Elizabeth,
the cardiac Bulls again. Just when you think you see

(01:43:41):
a flat line, there's a pulse. Pulse baby.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
Who you guys ever heard of the show? Sanford and
Sam believe that was the reference. But that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
No, he ain't saying I'm coming home. He said I'm coming. Hey,
I'm coming again. He'll come it again. What's this man saying?

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
What exactly? What?

Speaker 7 (01:44:09):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 8 (01:44:10):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
He got the home part he forgot he was on
fucking he thought he was. He thought he was back
in the Caribas. This is coming coming again. Peace might
be naming. Who's Elizabeth from the show The Son When
when when Red old Man Red foxes to Elizabeth, ain't

(01:44:33):
never I'm coming home.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
You have never seen so, I've never watched it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
To be honest, Dominican Aminican, I don't know nothing about that.
That's crazy. I mean, that's crazy. I love Lucy though. No,
this is my second language. Bro, I am an immigrant. Mhmm.
Don't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
You're not an immigrant.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
You were born in New York somebody. I like the narrative.
Don't say that. You don't let me rock you You'll
get so damn you're gonna do me dirty.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
That was right, Just so you know, I'm from Canada, bro,
I was the only thing that was on was like
Fresh Princes and Family Matters and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
That was.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
You're right, that was on. That was on TV as well.
I didn't even know about the show Big Anime. I
watched the anime Tough Dragon ball z to you always
got some racial ship with me?

Speaker 4 (01:45:23):
How is that racial?

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Because I didn't ready know where you're coming from.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
You got go cool?

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Well clear you know who Goku is. Did you watch
Dragon Ball Z at all?

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
Not? Not that much I did. I got it. You
gotta tatt it. Hey, we ain't got a bunch of tattoos,
you see right? Yeah, he went crazy. He had none
of that. I got was clean cut. Yeah, I was
clean cut the whole career. Now you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Had that the one joint. You had the one joint,
everything except for the last I had. Everything went crazy?
Why is it that playing everything when I played except
for this? I just got this done after I didn't
have my first tattoo at twenty eight years old.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Bro, So you had a tap when you're playing to
twenty eight?

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
Was my first ever done?

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
It's over for this.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
Got a little bit of room here, but I gotta
go to my back and my chest.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Hey see the chat says you will give a tramp stand.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Yeah, drawing a bike club.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
You don't get what your lower back way? I'm asking yo,
you that's you, that's the question. Right, We said back,
you must be you sat back is a Telemundo Charlie.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
It's crazy. You spelled the wrong though, but it's right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
George Lopez show.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
My gosh, that's my guys with George Logan.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
All right, man, before we sign out, y'all got anything else?

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
No, man shout out, coming on shovel in the class
of five. Hey, we would love to have you more.
We'll talk off lines. Right up the street. Yeah, come on, okay,
right of way, okay street.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Hey, shout out to d well Chat give him a
big round of a pause. Appreciate you pulling up. It's
his birthday, everybody, make sure you go. You guys, go
send for your happy birthday. We'll be back next week
and uh shelter Oasis, Man, cover Oasis, Ray and Charlie.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
I'm still waiting for that package. Man, need that package
my career.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
And we'll see y'all tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
Man back same time.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Make sure you join the discord And I said, man,
we'll see y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Peace,