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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yo, yo, yo, yo yo.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We are back with another live stream of to the
Baja Fixed Angles.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, my head is cut off.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's all good girl, fixed them.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
You can hear us, can hear y'all. Can't see you though,
you can't see us. Yeah, he can't see us.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
No, what's up, everybody? What's up?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We got Ray back in the building, back off sabbatical.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You know, champs in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Okay, see you know, raised on payroll.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
No, I'm not no, no, I was.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Getting ring right.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You should you should get a you should get a
coaching call.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Easy.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I mean you called this from the get go.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I should get something coach and call or ring.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I just want to ring. Just give me a ring.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I can put it up in a glass box.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You called. You called this from the get go.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately Jingles.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
He called the Jangles. You in tolerance crazy on one,
ain't you.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I mean, they just don't feel right and play the
full game.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
But you know that's how people win championships. Things happen,
you know, these things happen. It just wasn't ment, you know,
It's just it wasn't meant for any end of this year.
That's Okay, it was meant for my boys.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
This is what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I wish I had my shirt.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Boy.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, still in the rico. When when do you get back?
We got one more week, one more.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Week, okay, one more week and I'm back, my boy
to be back.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Banging y'allas game. We're on the two game winner, street man.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I watched the game.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Bro, the two games had a little thirty ball, then
I had a little twenty five.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
How to feel with the North Carolina violence? Bro, you caught.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Hey, look, bro, you get it right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What we say in between those lines, they can get wicked,
get wickeds be cool. Hey anytime anytime Ray came back,
we won friends when we saw playing.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I'm trying to kill y'all every time you get some
to eat out of it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, just like that, right like that?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, yeahs I's supposed to.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Go and yo, we'll start with some fun stuff. You
you guys down to start with the fun stuff. Let's
go all right. You heard this clip before, play the
play the the Nilo clip. We talk with the champs afterwards,
we'll talk about the champs off.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
He comes in and said, you guys, you know I
think you know it's he said it to the GM
and the coach. But he's like, you guys got to
do it. If not, there is no there is no
other situations.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know, you gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So here he goes.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
The next day, we you know, they told us you
were being traded, and all of a sudden we are
talking to each other, me and Raymond Moskob Wilson, Chandler
and well somebody else was in the trade. And we
were talking as like, guys, the next that, when is
(03:29):
the next Denver game? When do they play next? Can
we stay here in New York couple of days, party
like crazy, and then go to Denver. So we're looking
at the schedules like yeah, yeah, yeah, don't they don't play.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Until like Friday.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
All right, So I'm gonna call my agent, said, listen,
I'm not I'm gonna stay two days in New York
and on the thurday I'm going to Denver. He said, okay,
all right, So the next two days, me, Raymond Wilson
and a couple of other guys, we spend two days
in New York, but be it in sleep, and then
(04:02):
we got to Denver.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Legendary y'all had a good.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Time, right, what was'all doing for forty eight hours? Y'all
had a good time. I want to secrecy.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Boy, that's one of things to take to the grave,
you understand me.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Hey, but yea, we enjoying New York City. So the rumors,
so it's true, y'all. Y'all, y'all didn't play like four
days or three days.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, we took us two days before we left New York.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
It took two days. Hey, don't call me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
When he told me, I was with it, I'll say, hey, listen,
if it ain't no U to get the different and
let's let's get it in.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I was a young book then.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I was a young shout like trip about that.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
That was just like, no, what about we get there
when we get there, y'all ain't got no game. We
ain't playing soon as we getting anyway, we got there,
they was actually playing the game, and we just came
in and we just went up to the suite and
watched the game. That was it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's what's said. Man, Well, I'm glad you had a
good time. When I saw that clip, I was dying laughter.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yellow.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Hey Ray, Hey, Ray, was you uh? Was you shocked
about the trade?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Because I was thrown in the trade last I was
the last one to get thrown in.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You said the heat George Cars asked about you.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, George called last minute. George Cross said, well, to
make this trade happen, let's bring let's bring Raymond Felton
over here too. And I was like, uh, I didn't
want to leave New York.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I didn't want to leave New York. You know what
I'm saying. But you know, it was all good though.
You know, we had a lot of fun there. Me
and Ty got a chance to play with each other,
and it was fun, you know with young bo Yeah,
me and Ty, Yeah, so we got a chance to
play and it was fun. I asked for a trade
after that season though, because I was still young. No,
(05:58):
I did. I was still young.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
They gave they wanted to give Tie the keys, you know,
and and I was like, well, you're going to do that.
I just came out of nineteen and nineteen and eight,
nineteen and nine season, you know, yeah, you know, I
didn't want to be no backup point guard. You know,
at that point, I was like year six. That was
like year six for me. I'm like, nah, I'm still young.
(06:20):
I know, I'm good, Like, just go ahead and trade me.
You know, I wish I wouldn't have because I ended
up going to Portland.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But you know, conversation, that's interesting that they want to
throw you into trade because they had tie like why
are you gonna ask for you?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Exactly? But that was George called George called like me.
I like George though George. George was cool. He was
a good coach, you know. But yeah, I didn't. I
didn't like it at all, but it happened. Yeah, I'm
with you.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's funny. Last last business, that's the business. Last thing
on that. Also, you have anything to say, you said
you took away his fifty points, bro, we just got
to react to the race stuff on the pod. That
game winning layup.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That's on him. He should have he shouldn't have took
that three hey, people left it. He left it. He
left it open. He left he left it open, so
he left it open. I had to go do what
I had to go do. And I was with a
lot of people don't know about that game. That game
meant everything for me because I came off a high
anchor injury and I didn't play for like three four months.
(07:19):
When I first got to Dallas, I was out for
a high inco injury. And when I came back, shit,
Rick Rick Carlout told me he had no minutes for me. Like,
so I was playing that whole season, like you got
ask Charlie, like I was playing, I was having DMPs
and I'm like about to go crazy. That's when you
really got to tap into your your mental and really
understand that you got to stay professional. You really got
(07:41):
to stay ten toes down, because if you don't, you're
in a situation like that being a start of your
whole career and then all of a sudden you ain't
playing at all. You're sitting down. I'm not old, you know.
At that point, I was like twenty nine to thirty.
He just like, I ain't got no minutes for you
because they traded for JJ Barrero when I got hurt.
So now you're looking at JJ, Devin Harris, Monte, Jamil
(08:02):
Nelson at the time, Wesley Matthews. There's so many guards
that were well channing Parsons. There was so many guards there.
The man told me he had no minutes for me.
Bro So I finally get an opportunity towards the end
of the year, and it was funny. It was that
game and and I got the game win the layup.
I hit somebody I think it was Randy for you
(08:23):
with the crossover, went to the basket, laid it up.
But then after that, I blocked Kenneth far Reid's shot.
He had me in the post and try to shoot
a jump hook, and I blocked his shot to win
the game.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
After that, it was red.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
After that, after I hit that layup, came down. It
was a defensive position. I blocked this shot to win
the game.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Something happened with the audio, Curt.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I can't hear.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I can hear it, Okay, I guess.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's so crazy, bro, that part of the game of
like guys like you sit there and I used to
be you know, everybody called me the great teammate and
all that stuff. I still used to be mad as hell.
I wasn't playing like they'll be guys in front of me.
I'm sitting there, like, bro, what I could do what
they're doing? And more so, why am I not playing?
(09:17):
And for a guy like you who started your whole
career to go do that. People don't understand like that
shit fucks with you, you know what I'm saying, Like
you've been playing, you've been doing all this, you made
your name, and for you to go through that and
then after be the pro be a pro I think
that's what people really need to understand, Like not when
(09:38):
you get there, how do you handle that adversity?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And I'll said this before you go, Ray, People forget
how cold you were because the y'all comments. People are
on your ass and Charlie what you guys said about y'all,
which you know I disagree with, but they're like, you
guys didn't do nothing. I'm like, yo, Ray was almost
an All star.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Like, man, listen, you're gonna have You're gonna have people
who hate. I look at the comments sometimes too. I
see people make comments, you know what I'm saying, and
I just I just laugh and I just laugh because
at the end of the day, what did you do?
Did you play? You know? And that's how I look
at it. Did you play? You can you said I'm sorry,
you said all you y'all y'all didn't do nothing. I
(10:15):
was a starter. I'm pretty much my whole career, you know.
I mean, I can't sit here and say I'm gonna
be a Hall of Famer, But you know, I did
pretty good for a little old South Carolina boy. You
know what I'm saying from from where I'm from. So
you know, whatever that do that, don't that. Don't bother
me when they when they do that, I don't care.
You know, loans, my peers know. My peers know I
was a dog, and that's all that matters to me.
(10:37):
But they go back to what THEO was talking about. Listen,
a lot of people don't even understand that whole year,
I'm coming off a gun charge in New York. That's right,
you know, I'm mentally, I'm messed up. I had to
I had to go see a psychiatrist and everything. A
lot of people don't know that about me. And that's
what I be talking about with people, just fans like
that that got comments like that. They don't know your story.
(11:00):
They don't know what you have to go through and
what you deal with. All they think is all y'all
get paid a lot of money, y'all. Just y'all need
to stop crying. Ain't about crying. I'm still a human being,
you know, at the end of the day, and I'm
still a person who deal with stuff on everyday life.
Regardless of my bank account, regardless of what I got,
that don't matter. I'm still a human. I still gotta live. So,
you know, coming off a gun charge in New York,
(11:20):
where I could have lost everything, I could even did
the in prison time, you know, and God willing, thank God,
to this day. You know, I never served any time.
You know, obviously I lost a shitload of money, you know,
just off lawyer fees and things I had to do
to get out of the situation and come to New York.
I mean, then come to Dallas to a new team,
new situation and get injured on top of that, and
(11:44):
I'm already still dealing with the backlash of the situation
of my divorce and the gun charge and everything that
I had to deal with in that moment. Then turn
around and get hurt and then come back and not
get not play man. The coach tell you, I have
no minutes for you. A lot of people don't understand
the things that you go through, man, but you know,
it just it builds character, It builds you know, you
(12:06):
as a person. You know, just just the strength that
I had mentally to go through those things and still
you know, get through that adversity and still be able
to play another four years after that, you know, with
just you know, just just amazing, bro.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
For real.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
People don't understand that, but you know they always.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Have something not nah, right, Like it's one of those
things where you sit here and it's kind of a
great segulary to the game because you when they look
at NBA players, when they look at guys that played
at the level we play, that you kind of feel
like we have to bottle a lot of shit in
(12:45):
because you think about it too. We are human like shit, bro.
We do make a lot of money. We did make
a lot. We do make a lot of money. We
got a lot of privileges. We we we are treated
very respectfully than a lot of the normal person.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
We know that we're not fucking stupid.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Uh, And like that comes with it, right, but also
comes with we got to understand as athletes and as
people that we're human also and we can express those emotions,
We can have those emotions, and we can also ask
for help, you know what I'm saying. So I think
it goes to exactly what this happened last night. Last night,
(13:27):
Game seven was the weirdest game I ever watched for
me post as soon as he went for him to
go cook like it was literally like Kevin Durant, no
cap KD was cooking, Tyreech was cooking soon. I don't,
(13:49):
I don't, I don't even know. I don't even know
if if I said it on the last show or
who I was talking to, and I said that exact
movement is what could happen and how it can go bad,
exactly what he did a situation You're not gonna do
and warm up say anything. It's gonna be a reactive
(14:11):
because our game is so reactive that those are the
best players where you could just react. Yes, So like
you throw the ball, he's about to shoot right, so
you're relaxing your body to shoot the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh heart, close out, let me take a step back
to get by him. Right. That's how the freak freak
shit happens.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
He's now he was about to go crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And then now you sit there and Obi top has
said it. After the game, he was like, Bro, I'm
gonna be honest. I play like shit, but all I
can think about is Tyrese. You know what I'm saying?
Like this dude literally come out. He knew that, everyone
and their mama knew what could happen, and then it happened.
That's tough, bro. So now we go back to the
(14:58):
real thing, right, mental health? Right, does Tyree sit here
and be like, of course, everybody in their mamadedd's competitor.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We'll go out there and play. But you sit there
and you see a dude fall like that.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
First of all, that's the biggest shot of the game
right there, the lou door shot was the bigges shot
of the game. I don't give a fuck about any
of these other buckets. That was a huge shot because okay,
she was right. Okay, see was raveling, bro. They were
getting no good shots, and then when they hit that,
they went on a run. But all that to be said,
(15:34):
it was a very very unfortunate that we was about
to see an unbelievable game seven if Tyree's did not
get hurt.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Real the whole game, Indiana was making a run.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm sitting there like, they can make this bitch as
close as they want to. Their guy, their closer is
not there, that guy that they know they can throw
the ball to suck. They don't know who might get
the shot but he gonna make the play. He's not there, right,
t J McConnell unbelievable player.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I shout out to TJ to man. TJ played like
a warrior, you know, and he just made himself a
lot of money.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
He made himself a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
First of all, he extended last year. I think intended
year extended.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I hope, but it don't matter. But he solidified as
far as like, but that's not a TJ McConnell was
a great point guard. He's like, yeah, that's not that moment. Yeah,
that's that's not t J McConnell's job to go win
a game seven.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
No, no, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's not in them Hart's job to go win again.
The way the way that game was going.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
If you really look at the first court before tyres
went out, Shae Tyresse, Tyrese Shaye, that's.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
How that the game was disgusting. It was nasty bump.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
The only people making plays were the guys that you expected,
who you're paying to make plays.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And they triggered though.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
But he but he have he was just shripping the
ball so well.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He was making he was going on like that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
See but that's that's that's the issue right now, that's
not an issue.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I get what you're saying. But Shae was aggressive.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
No, I know he was gonna and he made plays
like to see for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And that's how Tyree was appro He was like, bro,
if I'm gonna be out here, fuck it, like, I
gotta go, don't. I have nothing to say. I have
nothing to save at that point, so you gotta go.
They both was going at it. I love how Shade,
like Shae might have took up bigger step in that
one game last night than he did all year.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You're the biggest game.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You get twelve dimes? When the fuck have we ever
seen Shakee get ten dimes?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
He don't do that. Ship, He don't do that. Bro.
He went into that game and said, whatever it fucking takes,
I'm gonna do it. Yeah, to win.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And that's why you have to sit this look at this. Yeah,
you have to sit here and look at this situation.
But like, look, bro, as hard as as is to say, oh,
but Tyree's got hurt. He was cooking blah blah blah. Okay,
See deserved his win. They deserve to win the championship
the way Shaye went out. I give ultimate respect to
him just because I give more credit that he did
(18:22):
everything to get twelve domes in the game. Seven for
a guy like him is elite to me.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
He's definitely an elite player. He definitely one of those
guys that you got to say, he's a do you
know they? I think I don't know who made the comment.
I think it was Magic Johnson, Right, it's tears to
be in a superstar. Yeah, you know who sell out?
Arenas SGA will be a guy that was Yeah, Arenas.
He's a guy that you know, wherever city he's playing
(18:51):
and people want to go come to watch him play,
to watch the Thunder play, you know, period. Because they
so together that it's amazing. You think a college team,
just how they are, how cool they are, how close
they are, how together they are. It's just it's just
amazing to see. And it's good to see that in
NBA basketball that you can now put teams together. It
(19:13):
don't have to be a whole bunch of superstars. You
could put a legit basketball team together of guys who
really genuinely, you know, ride with each other and care
for each other's individual success and all for the betterment
of the team's success.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So when you see that, man, I just listen.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I love it. I love it, And I ain't just
saying that because you know I'm a thunder guy. You
know I played it, I played in OKAC and I
was rooting for those guys. It's just what you see
anybody who watches this team play. Those guys are together
more than any team in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
For real?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is he the face of the league after this? Like honestly,
like I don't want to get into huge debate. You know,
he's Canadian. You guys say, can be a Canadian player.
But if he keeps doing this and if he does
a nice year, I mean, he.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Can never be the face until Lebron retire. You know,
let's let's let that be understood. But if Lebron retires today,
who can you say is the face in the NBA?
It has to be either him, Jannie or your Kischen.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Be Rich. It's not gonna be Why not because he
don't give.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
A I understand what I know you don't. But I
understanding though, just talk about just just like just I'm
talking about basketball like period, Like he's he's in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Player in the world.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
So that's what I'm saying. So, but this guy here.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Is gonna be sy because he can.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
He can be a commercial, should be a face. He
can like you know, he's more. He's like you, like
you said, don't care. He's a guy that will care,
like for that stuff commercials and being characteristic like.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I mean, I want.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
So Here's here's the thing though, right, Gianni's shoes on
clearance Nike clearance factory.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's just right, be.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Honest with you. I seen a bunch of them. So
here's the second thing.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Guy, he has a shoe.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
That I saw there? Does he have a signature? Show
he do? Who's with nikey? No, come on, bro, you
talk about basic league niggas know what. I thought it
was some off brand. No, he's a Nike. No, Bro,
he's with some off brand called three sixty one Sports.
I think when he won a championship, he was with
Nike though Broye. But now they get a Nike when
(21:33):
when they want a championship a Nike. Yeah no, I
know that, but he got he got his own shoe. Now,
maybe I was saying, but like when he won championship,
they had a joker Nike as No, I know that,
but I'm saying he didn't have a signature. Oh I
thought he he didn't have a signature shoe yet. So
that's my whole point, Like he got a signature now,
but like, do you even know what the signature shoe
looks like?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Could it really be Yoki? Guys?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I said it wasn't gonna be.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No, I know you didn't, but I don't know. I
don't know if feels m I A right now? But
can it really be yokid? You don't know if he
hasn't you don't even know what signature shoe looks like?
Like you can't do the fat to be fair about
a't gotta win one because he don't want to make
sense to be I agree with you, but I'm saying
the thing is, if you're a Canadian, is so stripped
this ship. I'm just telling you because like his ship
(22:16):
booty to me, I don't like his shoes.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
You don't like the Conference?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I don't really like them either. But you know what
the thing is, though he's really a Nike athlete, that's
because Conference owns Nike. Like, let's just keep it. I mean,
it's cool but like face the league, you gotta have
like some nice shoes, you gotta be I don't think
with his shoes, I think luting with the league. I
think we diluted. No, no, I'm saying I don't think
(22:43):
your shoes looks nice now because they haven't looked nice since.
Like Jordan's bro, I don't really think basketball shoes look
really that nice anymore. The Miami the Minami Vice Brons
were insane. Do you think you can do you think
Kyrie's well years ago? Niggas holl and them niggas still
the face of the league, saying y'all really still y'all
think those shoes are back. I don't think there. I
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don't think they look any better than the converce, is
my point. I'm going ahead about.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
The new shoes.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
K guys, K guys, They're just not there's a run.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
That Paul George was running shoes.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I'm really that nice and shoes. None of you
guys are rocking shoes like you're rocking J's bro. That's
my point, Like none of them can be worn on,
but nobody rocks like that. Some kids kid basketball shoes.
But that's my point. Though I was I don't even
know that in general, that's my whole kids They do that,
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kids do that I was and I was a kid,
I rock basket shoes just a chilling. That's what niggas
do with their kids. We're adults now. What I'm saying, no,
but that's what I'm saying. But I'm saying I don't
think basketball shoes today look good like that was just
like for sure, kids just.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Rocking because for sure Kobe, for sure Kobe's.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Niggas just rock Kobe's just because like.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That might be a thing.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Might be because I'm like niggas, that might be American kids.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
American kids bro like they go to school like I
was wearing starberries at school.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I was always wearing like forces. My my nephews and
ship they just be wearing like I had, no I
think only rain nos. I have the pumps. You have
the pumps I had. Then those ones are tough that
I had, the ninety the ninety five.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Dishes checking them coming back out with him too. Those
let you get.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Over Hey, ray shame, shame.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Might not have a choice what to be the face.
Yeah you might not have a choice. That give him
some better shoes.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But yeah, that's part of it. But I don't know
a we acting like it's not. But this is first one.
This is one.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
So you know a lot of people have some ass
for shoes and then it got better as they designsn't
even by his new shoes are starting. Yeah, the first one, right,
you the.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Best first shoot Lebron's Lebron. No, I like Lebron second shoes,
the best first shoes of Michael Jordan's. Lebron's second shoes
are tough.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, it was one pair of here, so many shoes
was nice, bro Lebron Lebron like some crazy Lebron like
eight through like twelve.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
These joints, you guys know, these joints were tough. I rock,
like I said, Lebron like eight through twelve or some
of the best shoes ever. Bro.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Bro, I think I think might be might be knocking
at that door. He gotta be unto and win one, Bro,
because I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it up
up because.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Not far from being American. Yeah, like he is, he is.
He is black.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
We talked about we're talking about it's not like he's
we're talking about. He had icon though, camp like you
gotta think about this. As far as like kids, there's
only one person. There's no other person people mentioned. Yeah,
there's no other person they mentioned. As far as fashion
other than Sha everyone, I think fashion probably I think
he was fashion.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Say, like you know, I feel it only niggas I
know who that fashion week was him and Russ Yeah,
a lot of guys trip J gos. I mean like walking, No,
who's who's in trip J have done it? Who's and
trip J have done it? So really go down there?
But really walking walk down the aisle star the Niggs
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cary about, don't give the trip trip J has done it.
Trip J's model, I believe starts. The niggas carry about
trip J is a star, not he's on a superstar.
But he's just starting to hear about. That's fair, But
trip J is a starting big We ain't gonna say
he's not a star. But like I said, any of
the day, Lebron is the face until he retires. So
let's get into it. Historic season for though, right, three
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m vps the first one ever do it. Obviously the
m v P thing really only started about three years ago,
so we can't act like Michael them wouldn't have done it,
but first one ever to do put three m v
p s in the row. It's the first one since Shack,
I believe, since two thousand, two thousand. No, Kobe did
it too. Kobe did in twenty ten. Yeah, no, he
didn't win VP though, No, actually ep right right, right right,
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So scoring Champ Lebron didn't win the scoring Champ. That
was the thing that that was Shack. Shack was the
last one to do it in two thousands before.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Scoring Champ and all three MVPs.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No two because there wasn't three vps it before him. Okay,
So it's it's a it's a superhistoric year when you
think about Shaye. So we have these stats if Kurt
wants to pull up the image on kind of where
does Shay sit beyond in terms of historic years? So
like the finals difference, there's people with better years. But
ninety two m j he won everything and he won
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the Olympics. Twenty twelve Brown he won the Olympics. So
is that's why I say had the best season? So like,
where do you rank Shane in terms of when you
think about it, all best seasons all time?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Jordan? And that's coming from me.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Because there's two thousand Shack, ninety two MJ and twenty
twelve Bron. Those are probably the three best seasons of
all time because ninety two MJ won everything and his
first team first team defense the record. Yeah, I think
he was like sixty plus wins. But he also won
Olympic gold that year too, so that's probably the best
year ever. Shack declined to play in the Olympics that year,
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and then twenty twelve Bron won everything except Defensive Player
of the Year and he had Olympics two was the
final list.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Twenty twelve he was a finalist. Oh yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, yeah, he's still a final.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So which one you who do you rank is the
best year ever? Is it twenty twelve Bron or ninety
two MJ or two thousand Shack's last chase last? For sure,
But I mean he's not on this list, But but putting
him in historical context, this is an all time great year.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Man saying for a kid that's twenty six, that's what
we're not talking about. He's twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
He's twenty six.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Like that's that's that's not that's not forget that part
we talking about him with all the greats, and he
is twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I think Lebron was twenty six years two. Though, yeah,
a lot of basketball to play. Bro Lebron was twenty
six that years. You know what I'm saying, got a
lot of better. And that's why Lebron is the face
of the No you go too far to go for
say this Jordan.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Jordan was thirty.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
No, Lebron was twenty eight that year was forty.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
He didn't play.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Hey, so so let me ask you this, Let me
ask you this for me. For me, it's a two
man race. J t getting hurt hurts him a little
bit because now you got to see what he comes
back and looked like, even though we all know he's
gonna come back and be Jason Tatum. I think it's
between those two. I think it's the first one or two.
(29:36):
If it's first one or two, then it's easily share.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
No, because if gets gets one, then I think it's
like it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's why I said.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
That's why I said first one or two, because listen, bro,
we got to get one. This is my thing. This
is my thing. Though we got it, we got a year,
we gotta.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Go ahead, we got it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Oh, yeah, we are talking about that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
But I do want to like, what do we say
that's go ahead, go ahead and finish off point.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I do want to say this about Jason Tatum. Now
he's had a historical year, but like, Jason Tatum has
done a whole lot of ship in the NBA, like
a whole lot, I mean, first teams this man.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's because we've normalized it because he was he was
dunking on the brown in the East Conference finals at nineteen.
Why he's why, Bro, Like we're normalizing his greatness. Think
about it. Jason Tatum was has been an elite player
since his second year in the league.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Bro, why don't we get so bored?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
He don't have no illegitimate kids, no baby Mama's like
that's that's really what it is. Bro.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
He's too perfect. We don't like two perfect people people
can relate. Broun not perfect perfect, ain't got no outside
bron was homeless.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
By what are we talking about? He won't.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Want what's your point? Right now? J has a single
j T has a single mom. J don't know that
has two different baby. You have a film called More
Than a Game that came out when he was in
his third year in the league, though, Brin had a
doctum that came out three Yes truly.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Was it more than the game?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, track with Eminem, Lil Wayne and Drake. Listen that song.
That song was a remix though forever and that's cool.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Who's your face of the league?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Who's my face of the league?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
That's mean? Still brin.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
The next phase? The next phase, I mean, realistically, bro
it it should the league wants it to be Wimby.
We we don't talk about that. They wanted to be Wimby.
It's not going to be Wimby though. Yeah, it should be.
It should be s g A. It should be a
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definitively it should be a Shia. But if somehow even
just gets to the finals of the probably who you
got today?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Who I got today? I just said I got today?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
No, yeah Bron?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
No, No, without Bron, without as I.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Said, that's sweetest today though, No, No, who do you
have Bron out?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
If Bron say, if Bron comes out and say I retired.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Who do you have as the face of the league.
And I don't think about Honestly, guys, this is an
unpopular opinion, but it should be Luca. He's in law.
It should be should be Luca. Let's just be honest.
The way he plays, He's like Bun for sure. But
if you want a championship, would you not say it's
Luca regards if he's American? Saylay Americans were talking about
he loves drinking beer. What is not more American than
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drinking would I would say that Luca is prime to
be the face of league if they win a chip.
It couldn't be Luca. It would be the first time
he plays broa would be the first time ever being
an international player. But what I'm saying, he plays for Lakers.
Like it should it should it should be one of
these foreign people, like it should be it should be
him and Wimby Yo Ray who is the face of
the league. When m J retired it's two years Kobe
(33:02):
wasn't in the league yet, was he maybe ninety four?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, I'm talking about when Mike retired for his little
stint when he played baseball. Oh, it was like Penny,
I don't know, was a penny. That's when I was
That's when I was picking Penny. I guess Penny and
shocking it wasn't a Keem right, No, it was a key,
but I don't think it was a only he had
the faceause it could have been Grant best playing grand
(33:25):
Penny or Shock. The best player was a key, grand
Penny or Shack. That were probably the face who it
was a key. Back and back the two years that
I said, yeah, it was the year, the year the
year had.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
As well Keeing did.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Then it was a king.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
He went and he won dpot too. For those two
years it was the king. Yeah, all right, it was
the dream.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
So let's get back on topic historical years. Where do
you rank sha He's at the bottom of those four
Those are things that come to mind. M v P finals, MVP.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Bottom, I mean, nobody, nobody with that. Shack was the
two thousand.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Hold on?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Did you see the point differential in the final? Twenty
two points?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Did you see?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's what I'm saying to the image, but forty But
the Shock didn't win the Olympic gold MJ and MJ
and Brown? Did that matters? I feel you? But no, no, no, no,
he was in the finals carrying a team like that.
But that's insane.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
No, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But I'm saying, let's put the whole year together, right,
Shack was an All defensive team. I don't think that year.
I can double check. He was deepoy DePoy. He was DePoy.
Shock was deepot than it. I think it goes to shock.
It's easily shocked. Was that his DePoy year?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yes, two thousand, he was the best player on earth?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
He got de point And what are they talking about?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
D Wade?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Up there?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's point differential?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
THEO when they came back, when they came back on Dallas.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's funny that Shack is involved in the No, he
wasn't the DPOY then, he wasn't the DPOY. What was
his depot year?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Then?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
He was second team defense that year? What was his
depot you?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Then?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
We're talking about five know performances. D Wade put on
one of the most epic final performances.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
He is in top three.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh, because I got us all over the I have
I have a I just wanted to show how dominant
some people's finals years have been and all that stuff.
The point of it is, where does this rank in
terms of the all time greatest years for any individual?
In terms of accolades winning individual?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Like all that together, I mean you got to put
everything into into the into the spectrum. Yeah, like this
man gonna get first team. You're gonna your first team,
all the NBA got, MVP, got scoring champ, you got
all three m vps. Like, he's twenty six years old,
first championship ever in Oklahoma City, thunder history, Like you
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got to put all of that into the conversation. Now,
can I rank it over all these other greats? I
can't say that, but you it got to be discussed
about in a very high and a high light because
of everything that comes with it.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
He's twenty six, I give him like top eight is
he's I think he's top accolades. Hes gotta be top five.
He can't pass Michael or or bron or Shock just
because they had all defensive teams that year two and
or Elijah won immediately. I mean, if he don't get
like her, no, he's for sure Hall of Fame after this.
He has to be m v P and the championship
(36:18):
and scoring titles. He's MVP. He has to be in
the Hall of Fame immediately. If he don't get hurt yet, No,
even if he doesn't, he's played five years. Why is
his no she's been seven years seven Damn, he's all
even if even if he started with nineteen, he's set
in twenty twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Crazy, that's why he's played seven years, bro, and he's
only twenty six.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
He's he's about to he's about to come up on
the second extension. Shows you how long it's been in
the league.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
But but even okay, seven years, twenty six this is
But let's put it in perspective though, even if he
doesn't win, if he doesn't play another game, why is
his career not greater than Tracy mcgrady's. Well, you know,
if you could put him in a hall of Tracey
mcgrady's Hall of fame, you have to play more. But
Tracey mcgrady's is a hall of fame. You have to
play mo But he's got more accolades than Tracy, and
he has he has an m v P title.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I don't think. I don't think your your it's not football,
you go, yeah, basketball is the The hall of Fame
is not based on your accolades, because there's.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
A lot of dudes that got Brandon Roy should be in.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Is Robert Horry and is Robert I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
I think rober got like Ale. I'm talking about like accolades.
Accolades don't matter. It's about what you your body of
work that you do in his league. So you know,
he's still got a lot more to do. He's done
a lot at a very early age. In seven years
he had, don't get me wrong, but you got to
think about it. We really only been talking about for
like the last three years.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
But his resume is a hall of fame resume. If
you stopped it today, your resume, your that's you. That's
not the is gonna look at.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
But that's what you got to say.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
He played three more years, he's a hall of fame bro,
he's like ten years. If you have an m v P,
you should automatically be in that in the hall of fame.
There we're gonna argue Derek ro should be the fame
for sure.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
But it hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
It's crazy and it's not just it hasn't happened. Derek
gros not tell you that being legit, Like he's got
three All stars. If if you make, if you're an
m v P, you're gonna be in the Hall of fame.
He's gonna be like the first probably be like a
third or fourth ballot. He's not gonna be first ballot.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
But it doesn't matter. If Vince Carter was never v P.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
He should still being because of his longevity.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
But he is in the Hall of Fame. But he's
never he was never v P.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Though chat ne v P.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
He was never like but he was never like topic player.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yes he was the league. He was top three in
the league at one point year Vince year. It wasn't
two thousand one he was the most explosive two thousand
one wasn't it probably shock Kobe than him, he was
the most probably five. Here's you got all these right there.
It's like there was never there was never Tim Duncan.
(39:11):
You're not he had he was with them in those
raptors when he was when he made the East.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I'm listening, I'm not. You know, Vince is my god,
that's big bro. But I'm just saying, though you're talking
about like he was one of them most he was
the most exciting player to watch back then, not to
say he was one of the top.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Players, like you know, nobody, nobody, Nobody's going to vote
that he averaged twenty eight, six and four and that
two steals in one block. That's five player in the
LEA said top five. I said he was No, you're right,
You're right, I said top three. No, but top five
for sure. He's top five in.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah. And then I want you to go back and
look at the All Star Game that year. All right,
let me go look at it, but anyway, and I.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Want you to name. I want you to see that
list and then come back and say that. I'm just saying,
look at that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No, you're right, I know the list. There's KG, there's
a II, there's Tim, there's Kobe, Thu Shack. But he's
right there with all this day five people think he
was better than him either. He might have been that
one year though, That's what I'm saying. His numbers and stuff.
He went to the Eastern Conference finals that year. He
might have been better that one year.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Listen, Vince was a hell of a player.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I'm not taking none of that from it. Like Vince,
Like I said, that's big Bro.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Thirty points that year, and that's what I'm saying. But
it's my thing, right who also one of the most
insiding players for me to ever watch. I wouldn't consider
him ever being in the top three player in the league.
Even it's kyrieving and he's like my favorite player, but
it's being legit like he's true. He's never been like
the best player in the league.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I mean, let me put it this way. Let me
put it.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
If you look at it, if you look at it
with like this, SGA has.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Done pretty much everything this year.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's about it, right, Yeah, he's done everything other than
play playing elite defense.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I don't he's gotten all this accolade, he's he's gotten
all his accolades and all that ship this year, and
you give credit what credit is due. He fucking dominated
the year. It's was really fucking good. He was really
fucking good. But let's say a motherfucker comes from overseas,
has one good year, motherfuckering up winning m v P
(41:10):
uh the championship and the finals m v P.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Is he a Hall of Famer because he came here
one year?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
By your description, he will be y'all disrespectful because he
has three first teams, three All Stars, he's a scoring champ.
We were not acting like this is only one good year,
but that's but still just three.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Three first.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Since he hit Okay, see, he's he has taken taken his.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Guys three as soon as hard in here Houston, he
became like I get when you guys need to do
that for.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Three NBA all first teams and one m v P.
M was a Hall of Famer in the.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
He's in the Hall of Fame, I think, so.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
There, right, But what I'm saying to you, Taylor, but
Taylor's been Tatum don't have an MVP. Taylor's been better.
He is, but he's been better long so you think
and tatums the whole famer today he is. But what
I'm saying, but he's in it for like seven years.
But Tatum's draft twenty sixteen, so he's done it for more.
That's But what I'm saying to you is that if
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you have an m v P, that means you were
the best player theoretically in the in the league for
at least one year. That's Hall of Fame. I don't
give it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
I'm gonna give it a buck now. I'm kind of
with home.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
If you win a v P, you famous because you
were the best player in the league, because at least
for one.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Bigger You're better than Brian, You're better than Step, better
than KD, better than you. As far as what the
argument is, our argument, that is debatable. I thought you
I thought was the MVP. He's If I'm going to
go out there and put it on a limb, he
won it and my in my opinion, he is a
(42:54):
Hall of Famer. He's done enough. Nigga, I didn't know
he had three first teams. You got three first team.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. His resume is ready, speaks
enough for it. That's all I'm saying. You're right, Cam,
he does have to do more. I will the three
first team I know. I thought he might have three
NBA selections.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I know he had three.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
He's been three back to back twenty twenty three. It's
like in baseball, if you win three back to man. Yeah,
in baseball, if you win three straight Silver Sluggers or
three Gold Gloves, you're probably gonna be We ain't talk
about all stirs when you're voting.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Huh, three years in a row. Yeah, looking seems like
he's been three first teams.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, twenty three.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
He was cooking bro last year. I know he was,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I know that but like last year, I don't know
about year before. Remember the year.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Before is when he took the team to the playing
and there and he was carrying them. But that got
you three guy, my first team he was that year.
I'll give you guys the stats, but remember who was
check that check three first teams is average thirty one
five and six three two years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yes, I can tell you he's been cooking.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
He's been averaging. Wait, wait.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
And I get that the NB three years ago, yeah,
it should have it should have.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Been he was thirty one, him and Luca, it should
have been looking Luca's first team that it should have
been Luca and him were the first team that year.
It should have been Luca Lucas got should have even
be by now bro. But anyway, that forty yalls, he's
been cooking. He's age thirty two. He's average thirty three
years in a row. Didn't you guys gonna tell me
that's not Hall of Fame stats?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Thirty three?
Speaker 2 (44:32):
That's all saying right now, That's what I said. Once
you said the first teams, I agree with you. I
didn't know he was three for I thought he might
have just three, like maybe a third team or second team.
Even if you if you have three all NBA teams,
you should be a Hall of Famer. Debatable, debatable, but
that's what I believe you could be. You should be
on a ballot. Yet you should be on the ballot.
You should be able to at least you shouldn't be
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on the.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
On the ballot, but you have three first teams.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I never said he wasn't a Hall of Famer. I
was just making a point that I just say, Yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Accolades don't matter in some situations because some guys don't
have the accolades that he have.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
If he's you're right, But the fact that he has
the accolades is what propels him, is what I'm saying.
My part was average three more years, he would be
in all That's my point.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Hey, these are two different players, and Shade for sure
is on a different level.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Well who's the name Pascal? If he won last night
and got finals MVP, is he a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Uh? If he continues another three years. Putting up to stats,
I agree, he probably hall of famer. You need to
bring what you said, You bring two NBA finals the
teams that never had them before. But he doesn't have
a Finals MVP. He don't have the individual accolades like
these you would have had. That's what I'm saying. But
this past, how many first teams does Pascal have. I'm
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not debating my own point. The I'm saying the accolades
is what adds to it with the team success. Pascal
is at the team success.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
And is Dramon and Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Hell yeah, Dremon's a Hall of Famer Defensive Player of
the Year.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
All right, But I know that, But Pascal hasn't done
what he what he's done, you can't put everybody.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Know, But that's what I'm saying to you. I would
ne see another I would need to see another three
to five years of really elite level basketball past.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I don't care about that. You can't put everybody.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
And he got the Hall of Fame. No, no, Pascal,
you got to talk about he got one second team,
one third team, and three All Star selections.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
You he's be on a ballot.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
You gotta talk. You got to talk about it, at
least the second favorite years he has. You got to
talk about twenty six one. Sorry, you got to talk
about it in Toronto. Yes, yeah, you gotta talk about
the year after they won a championship twenty Yeah, he
was really, really good.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Yeah, he was the man.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
You got to talk about it. At least that's what
that's what he was.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
He was a surefire.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
But I'm not here. I'm not here saying he's guaranteed
Hall of Fame. I'm saying, you got to talk about it,
but I gotta se a little bit more from past.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Who's not Hall of famers.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
It's famous. I think if you have all NBA teams,
you're on in the conversation, that's all I'm saying. So
if he has a couple more than he plays out couple,
if he plays five more years averaging twenty and ten,
and you guys are not going to say that's our
twenty a night twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
You're not gonna say if he don't win it, if
he don't win a championship.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Quiz Webber Chris Webers in the Hall of Fame, it
took him like eight tries, exactly so.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
But Pascal.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
But my point is that Pascal past it's similar.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I don't think he's won his one championship. That's the
only thing he's done better. That's only that's a that's
a big But that's a big I understand that.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Chris Chris got total six All NBA selections, one first team,
three second teams, and one third team.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
So if he plays and.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
More and more All Star selection.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
He's got two more All Star sections.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
But this is but the championship adds is what I'm
saying is the gap. What I'm saying is he still
took him how many tries? But I don't think I
said he used to be on a bat that.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
I wouldn't say that he won't be. I don't know
if he's gonna get in there.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
That's what I was saying. He ain't gonna be first
team though, like first even now his first balance, there's
no way. But anyways, let's let's continue on. Does this
Does this ignite the dynasty of OKC? What did you
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think of my Bargnanni take? Obviously it's crazy? Did you
not see my take in the chat?
Speaker 1 (48:58):
All right?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, hold you put him in the same I said.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
I didn't didn't say if someone has to go at
some point with the next year or so, I didn't
say who who would go?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Jay does not going?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
You like cruise go.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Check the one on like check what does check do
very well for you guys.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
I'm gonna be honest, Bron, It's gonna be hard. I'm
not I don't know if we go, we'll see many
dynasties anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Bro. I mean they have at least another three years together.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Bro, you needna have that can have a team together.
All the one teams are too good, Bro, Yeah, teams
are too good, and.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Niggas come injuries, injuries all people like, you're gonna be healthy?
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Come on, Bra, Like it's just like, it's just like Boston.
Like that. You made a face what I said, do
you like?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
No? No, No, I was just thinking something else. I
do like that though. I think Dallas will be contenter
next year if Boston.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Bro, if Boston didn't have all those injuries this year,
I think we're all. They don't tell me that, Bro.
They were down then one.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Bro, Bro, this is what we're saying.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
When Tatum got hurt, they were down thirteen with two
minutes left. They were going to lose that Drew Drew,
but they wanted they have momentum, Like they have momentum
going their way. When it happened, Drew Holliday wasn't right.
The whole playoffs.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
You're right, he was not the same player of the
year before, not at all, but that ol Horford wasn't
the same He got a year older.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Jaylen Brown was hurt, but.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
That everybody, that's my that's my point though. That's why
I think the dynasty ship is over. I think it's
so little room for error. Let's just say, let's say,
okay See, doesn't fuck around Crusoe. Something happened. They're not
the same team, and I feel I feel.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
They just aren't overly dominant the whole the hold the
hold of the hold of the let's not act like, okay,
so he's a normal team. They got fourteen picks in
the next five years first round pace.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
They have got keeping a full Aaron Gordon wasn't hurt?
Were we even picking? Okay see?
Speaker 2 (51:03):
And if Chris, if Chris Paul isn't hurt, did the
Warriors win their back to back championship? Like those are IFFs, bro,
I'm gonna keep it a full buck, right, what's keeping
okay see from still not getting honest? Yeah, Like, like,
let's let's feel right, let's stay on that topic. They
have fourteen picks year, they got the first round picks
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next year exactly, they can make a move for another star.
Like you said, they have Aaron Wiggins waiting to play.
They have all these guys that are waiting to play,
like it really is next man up for them, Like
you guys have both said it, like they have such
a rich of assets and even guys that can play
that don't play often, so why can't they? They can
actually legit build an actual super team and it actually
work if they wanted.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
The only thing, the only thing I said about that,
it is everybody else getting better too. That's the thing
about this.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
And they can keep washing their hands. They have so
many that's cool. But okay, C was only this much
better than Denver, I agree with.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
I mean, I didn't have the niggas winning. So they listen.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
They beat the ship out of They beat the ship
out of memph They beat the ship out of Memphis,
but Memphis had them in a backwood.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I know we're about to talk about this, saidhis Kevin
just went to Houston. Did you say Memphis in the backwood?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
They were beating the ship out of him in game three?
Speaker 2 (52:19):
They talking about Game three? Yeah, he's right.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Job in a series and in a game four.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
I'm just saying, when you go but haven't talked about
this though, women crazy beating about thirty.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, that's a backward. I thought you meant for the series. Nigga, Swell,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
So, but this is what I'm saying, though, camp the
transition when you play at home those first two games
and you go back home as a whole new series.
They go to one back in Memphis, they had Game four,
they just didn't have that guy again, so then they
ended up losing. But my thing is, I think the
league is such in a great place because you never
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know who's gonna win. Who the fuck predicted? Okay, people
put get it predicted? Okay, see and nobody predict Indiana.
You know what I'm saying, Like, I think the league
is in such good places. We got so many good
fucking players, and now people understand you got to have
a team. I ultimately think we about to go away
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from this young buckshit that people started to do. Like
you gotta see a lot of teams have a lot
of young guys. Uh, you're gonna have to pay to
start getting you some vets now, because you need a bench.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
You need some guys to know what they're doing when
they get in there, or you can trust.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
So I can definitely see this going back to where
it was before, where you got a lot more veterans
and guys that you know you can count on that
can go winning your game.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
TJ. McConnell, How long this motherfucker be in the league?
Ten years?
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Remember McConnell was part of the process.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, come on, bro TJ. McConnell has been in the
league for years. You got James Johnson over there, you
got uh, you got Obi Topping. This has been his
fourth fifth year. You know what I'm saying. Mathter young vts,
You got vets. All these teams that are successful, got vets.
Think about the teams that's won over the last few years.
Think about Boston who they had over there. Al Hope Crusoe,
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he's won, He's been in lead for a while. He's
the oldest guy over there.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
That's crazy. Cruso is like thirty something. Yeah, I think
I think he was. He's been in the league for well,
he was in he started off in I think it's
a seven or eight years. This is a seventh very
he's still have been in league for like eight years
and he started off in OKAC I believe as well, Bro,
Like that's a full circle moment you started off with.
Speaker 4 (54:34):
That's what I'm saying, Bro. But that's the thing, Like
you got to think about it. These teams, like he said,
James Johnson over there in Indiana VT been lead for
a while somebody. And you look at him, if you
look at the game, he's always standing up. He's always
in their ear. He's always talking to Halliburt and he's
talking to those guys. That's a vet.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
You need that.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
These young guys need that Crusoe. They listened to Cruiseo.
He's won a championship, he's been there before. You know,
he's been in the league for a while. He's been
through adversity in the league. They listen to him. The
young guys listen to him. You need that. You need
it on your team, Bro.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Boston won Game six because of who won Game six
in Indiana? Fucking Thomas Bryant. Motherfuckers hitting dumb threes? How
long timas Brian been in the league.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
For a while?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Guy, for a minute, you know what I'm saying, Like
two of them don't didn't get one with the Lakers too.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I know you got one with Diver Lakers, and yeah,
I would say, I mean, yeah, Thomas Bryant was drafting
twenty seventeen. I mean, you hear the stories, right, I mean,
you know Fiel mentioned al Horford, but let's be real,
Jason and jail And have been through so many battles they.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Have, But you gotta think about al Horford though, that
there's still that leader, that that voice. Yeah, because you know,
even with them being through some stuff, they still got
all that pressures of every night. Those guys gotta go
out there and play and perform at a certain level
every night. So you need somebody to talk to you
through those things. Need somebody that you listen to, that
you trust. I'm telling you, Bro that.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
And that's and that's that's the perspective.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
That's the perspective though, because Ray can be a perfect
example of when he's playing with Melo, Melo is counting
on Ray because sometimes he gonna look at Ray. I
need you to carry me a little bit, you know
what I'm saying. Like you got when you're the star
and Ray you probably can talk about because you played
a lot of stars, like even with Luca, one of
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his very best friends, a guy that he knows always
had his back, Dorian Phinnish Smith. He wants Dorian Phinish
Smith and he will rib with that dude any day
of the week because you need a soldier like that
that's gonna have your back.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
You got the way of the world on Melo and Luka,
Doncicz and Lebron James and Shade.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
You gotta have those guys who don't give a fuck
and who their sole job to make your job ten
times easier.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
And that's our Horford. You know what I'm saying. That's
our Horford, That's Ray, that's.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Let me go championship teams for you. So Al and
Boston before that was Denver. We have DeAndre Jordan, Jeff
Green right?
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (57:05):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Jeff? And that was Jeff Green DJ yep right.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
And then and then the Golden Stage why DJ is
still there? And Golden State was and and when you
saw him talking to Wiggins in that championship, remember that
one moment and.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
That motherfucker didn't play that Nigga was coaching.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
And Milwaukee Bucks, let's keep it a stack. PJ. Tucker.
He was a big piece of that winning team. They
don't win it without him, there's a there's a lot
of vets.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Man, it means And I think how many times about that? Right?
Speaker 4 (57:34):
I tell people all the time, bro, think about this
Phoenix son ain't been the same since this one trade.
And I'm gonna tell your name, Jay Crowding.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (57:47):
Think about what Jay Crowded did for them when they
when they when they was hot, when they was just
like God Phoenix winning seventy games.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
Crowd is a dog.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Jay Crowder was avent a dog who did all the junk.
He was the tough guy. He was that guy that
held all of them accountable. Who get in their face.
You need that when you got young guys who are
upcoming stars and they feeling himself, you need somebody to
put it, push it in perspective for him that they respect.
They don't want to hear from a coach.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
That is what it is.
Speaker 4 (58:13):
These guys got egos. Now they get they getting paid
three hundred million dollars that coach man. Shut up. I'm
trying to ship you talking about but if you yeah,
but you for.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
That, nigga hm.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
And the crazy thing is give you another example, right,
I'm gonna give you another example, right, Dylan Bruks leaving
Memphis hurt Memphis more than anybody.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
No, no, no, no, I'm with so much with Memphis
so much.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Draymond said it right, The dynasty starts after you leave.
You guys, remember that, Mephis I know.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
The terrible that that statement became wrong. Dylan Brooks, they need.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
Like I think Dylan Bros. That guy, I think he
could too much. Honestly, Josh, he took us a way
off of them mother fuckers. I think it's a little
bit of both, all of them. Togas do too much
of the men. All right, Hey, lit'sten Help Houston, Help Houston,
all right. So Alex Krusoll, Kurt, you want to play
a player.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
A real one.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
I don't know if you can say anything, he said, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (59:18):
I think just because of the way the team is
constructed now versus the team I had in twenty twenty,
Like it was much harder with this team just because
of the experience, right, and everybody talked about you need
experience to win a championship, and you need.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
This, that and the other.
Speaker 6 (59:33):
And I said multiple times through the postseason with this
team that the good basketball is good basketball winning basketball
is winning basketball, and the best team can win no
matter what happens if you go out there and execute
and do the stuff.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
That you need to do to win the game.
Speaker 6 (59:49):
And I think through the playoffs this team grew up
and learned on the fly.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
No, I just think that's valid to what you guys
are saying. Yeah, like experience makes a big difference. It's
just valid validated.
Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
He does think about okayc has been the best team
all year, but the experience of Denver would have probably
beat them if they would have been healthy, if they
would have been healthy, if if An Gordon don't go out,
that experience was was too much for Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Michael Porter, there's too much for them.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
I'm just saying, that's just how it goes. Bro It's tough,
So it's tough.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Y'all think y'all think they got their break like going
the State did in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I think.
Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Period, it's things happen, Ships, things happen.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
You gotta get lucky.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Sometimes, But that's what I'm saying. But they super lucky.
The niggas got super lucky, right, lucky kat to.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Be right, what game?
Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
What game in the tournament they did bro, what are
you talking about? They got they got lucky with Kyrie lucky.
That's just one other player wasn't healthy. The biggast heard
the niggas got smacked. James Hamstring was not even there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
If just one other player was one hundred percent with
KD they getting smacked. Just want to championship? Ever run
that one? So were the Raptors lucky?
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Hell yeah, yes the fuck and wasn't like the Warriors,
but yeah they were as long as Kirk can hear that?
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
That your team your.
Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Championship the way my Mavericks, Yeah, we backed everything the
championship year on the way to the Natty? What game
were you not supposed to win? Everyone has a game
you're not supposed to win.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I know this one is Villanova. I heard the story
Villanova Lucky. Which one was yours?
Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
I found out I found out.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
That game ours was Arkansas. Were not supposed to win
that motherfucker. But at the end of the day, along
that journey, things happened. You you look at each other
like we got out of that one. We got I
don't know how he did.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
It, but let's keep it moving. So anything y'all want
to say on I know we talked about Tyree's achilles.
That's our last topic on the finals and kind of
the Okay, see pacers, you guys got last words are.
Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Yeah, man, Tyres Haliburton, Listen, he was a warrior. I'm
a fan like I love you as a player, just
me being a point guard. Just the way you run
your team, how important you are to your team as
we can see and everybody can see, you're a closer.
You're a warrior. All respect for me, Bro, I wish
you no but the best. I hope you get better,
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you know, I hope you come back even better because
you know, the league, the league needs guys like him,
you know, these guys like that, just warrior, just can
play the place, the game the right way, you know,
knows how to win. And he's a winner. I don't
care what nobody say. Tyreus Halliburton is a winner. He
went over there and changed Indiana's you know, organization back
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to the level how they used to be with Regie
Miller and was there and you know Jermaine O'Neill and
those guys when they played when they was really good.
And he's came over there helped to do that. So
I think Anianna will struggle this year without him. I
will say that they will be a playoff team, but
they will struggle because what he does for them. You know,
it's kind of something you can't You can't go out
and go get That's just what it is. But shout
(01:03:06):
out to him.
Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Hey, for real, Yeah, we in the media space, so
we have back and for a superstar, not superstar blah
blah blah. Listen, you are one hell of a basketball player.
You have been very entertaining to watch this whole playoffs.
Shout out to Tyres Halliburn. That's what I'm talking about
for anybody who just joined. But he is a true
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definition of a great and like I said, it sounds repetitive,
he's a great basketball player. And the reason I say
it like that is he doesn't force anything. He takes
what the defense gives us, regardless if he had zero points,
ten points, thirty points. He's playing the right way. I
respect that because that's how I learned how to play
the game. And now I think that's how you have
(01:03:47):
the most fun and that's the most team success. And
that's why your team got there in Game seven, because
you was on that team and you did everything, and
you gave everybody. Everyone knew the risk and everybody to
make that decision was you. You knew what it was
gonna come down to. Very unfortunate this happened, and like
I said, there's no other way you really want to
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go out You went out there and you gave it
everything you got. So I give you much much respect
for I have a loan. You can decide to play like.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
You can.
Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
You can't do nothing but tip your cap because that
is legitimately putting your body on the line.
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
There's no there's no question. They told listen, bro, it's
the same ship, like.
Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
It could be. You know what this can be. It's
your call. You can play, but it's your call. You
know what possibly could happen. And for him to do
that for his team, that's that's big time.
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Are saying you had sources or you're saying that's what
you're assuming.
Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I mean, that's just obvious.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I'm just awesome.
Speaker 7 (01:04:55):
Thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Uh, Yeah, he don't get hurt. I think we are
having a different topic for sure. He was going for
a legacy game for sure. Yeah, like Nigga's like you
need to have a forty he was he was going
for probably forty if if he don't get hurt, where
they win and lose, who knows, but it was it
was gonna be a more much more interesting game if
he doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
And I hate it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Shout out the Haliban, shout out, Shout out the Pacers.
The fact, the fact is that all zero's toward their
achilles this year is kind of crazy. Tatum, Dame and
Tyres all rocking the numbers zero, the eastes, and the
East is now completely wide open. Nah, No, that's not
(01:05:38):
completely wide open?
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Who who fuck? Is it out?
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Oh? You're right, I probably got Uh, you're right, you're right.
I'm probably good. I'll probably go with the Knicks. I
mean's got to show me some ship Nicks Detroit. Detroit
is gonna be a problem. I think the thing is,
all these seems to me wide open. To tell you,
this changes if you if you all gets back to normal. Joel,
(01:06:03):
Joel is going to dominate the East next year at
the Philadelphia. I feel like if they keep the team,
I think I'm taking Joel. Speaking of a new team, though,
let's talk about it first. Thoughts. When you guys heard
the trade. I heard that Nigga Katie was in the
door last night. Hey, I'll say, I mean a lot
(01:06:25):
of people were saying they're they're, they're kind of upset.
But let me go you guys first, first initial reactions
Steve and Ray.
Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
First, you know, go ahead, right, I like it.
Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
I mean, you gotta you gotta closer. Now, you got
a bona closer with those young guys who's what number
two in the West last season. You know, you make
some changes and add a bona fide player that can
get you a bucket, that can win games when you
need them to. There's been a champion being m v P.
(01:06:58):
Didn were talking about Kevin Durant here, so he was
able still to keep some really good young cores. So
I don't I don't think. I don't think Rockets did
nothing but got a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
They're about to add the smoking bus there too.
Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Yeah, I was Steve, I was, yeah, they still had
they still signed Steve o back and you know, just
some of the things that they still got they still
got on the Thompson Twins.
Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Do you know what connections are with the Katie on
On Houston coach in Brooklyn Royal Ivy is one of
his OG's as you. I'm sure you know that everybody
knows that DJ, Augustine and him got some ties and
obviously Steve O a lot of ties to Katie and Houston.
Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I'm gonna say, and and the biggest, the biggest ties, Drake.
He got a place in Houston and he always wear
Travis Scott's Listen.
Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I'm just saying that. You know, his crib in Toronto
is kind of what he's iconic, what he's doing for.
Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
You're right, You're right, Hey, I would say this. I
would say this good friends. I would say this, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
First off, you always look to see what they gave up.
Is anybody saying no to that? So hold on?
Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Hold up? I want to hold on. I want to listen.
It's not the same level, but you you are giving
up twenty three year old legit twenty five point score
for aging thirty seven year old supers Okay, around twenty five,
twenty three? I got this twenty are you you sure? Yeah,
he's skimming twenty. Let me you get saying I'm not
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saying no, but I just want to play Devil's advocate
because everybody was going on and I'm not comparing him
with everybody. No, I'm not comparing him to Lucas. Everybody's
going off about trading an aging superstar for young person
in a group chat, who is No, I'm talking about
the Lucas situation, and I'm not saying that they're on part.
I'm not saying they're on part. But what I'm saying
is that you are trading for an aging superstar, one
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that has two good years left, like a lot of
people are saying for some of that has potentially ten years,
but like, do we know that?
Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
I'm not agreeing with that. Everybody know that Katie only
the Nigga is averaging. He's more efficient now than he wasn't. Okay,
so I'm doing the deal ten times over now. I'm
just gonna put that on record. He hasn't shown any
sign and he hasn't shown any sign of slowing down
because if Katie's there, If Katie was there this year,
they beat the Warriors and they probably would beat Minnesota.
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I would just say, if Katie is averaging above twenty
four points a game on the Fisher shooting, like, what
the fuck are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
You can do that?
Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I don't know. So y'all don't have a single problem
with the trade. Y'all thought it was a good trade.
Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I'm with it.
Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Any team that got Katie got better five second round
picks don't feel like that. I have to give a
price either. For me, it were first Listen, how many
second round picks actually be turning out?
Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Bro keep it a buck.
Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I mean today I would say kt KTI they them defensively,
they gave up one. I mean Dylan Brooks is very
essential to that defensive prowless. But at the same time,
you didn't give up that much. You're still gonna be
defended at a high level, right, you still got a
lot of young guys. Easton, Fred Fleet, Thompson with uh
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with more kad but.
Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I think he's j Parker.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
But do you mean Jabari Smith? I think they look
at Easton could be the next the next great defender
on the team, like they think it's next man up,
because I like, I've seen Easton play. Easterton looks he's
a really good defender. But you got to think about it, right,
they're putting how tall Sangoon six eleven seven six eleven,
Sangoon six eleven, Jabari Smith seven ft KD A man
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is what six nine and six nine lengthy as well?
And then I mean, I don't like Fred van Vleied
in the lineup anymore. I'm not gonna lie to you, guys.
I think you just need a better shooter. I think
you need an elast shooter. He sho like thirty seven
percent shoot.
Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
That's what he what?
Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
He sat a Toronto guy, you though, not for you.
That's the reason why y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Want but a golden stan You know my golden I was,
but you're still from there. He's a matter.
Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
He's a playoff bro from Toronto.
Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
He shot thirty five can I'm good in Toronto. I'm
good in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
That's not bad.
Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Thirty five percent from three is not good enough. Guys,
come on bad either with with I mean, Kate is amen,
Katie shoot for y'all. Y'all are roasting a man for
shooting twenty five.
Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
They said, what a shoot is that?
Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Katie shoot forty percent?
Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Yap? That's it?
Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
And no whate else is there's an laite shooter. I
think you need a little bit more shooting the lineup?
Is that really?
Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
That exactly?
Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
I think Smith is a shooter I think I think
Jabari Smith is a competent shooter. Jalen Greenwood, I know,
But what I'm saying to you is that Dylan Brooks
was a better shooter than Amenok. Shoot, I think I
think Dylan was like.
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
He shot hot Share, he shot bro.
Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yes, I actually saw that the other day.
Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
He was forty.
Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
He was forty, can get shot, so y'all, So y'all
think y'all y'all want to keep frad I.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Don't think they're done that.
Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
I think I like Shephard, I like the young kid
would it was?
Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
So what was the point I'm making?
Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
You tell it? I don't like what.
Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Are y'all really mad at that? What I'm telling you,
I don't like him for forty two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I agree with you on that. I think they pay
the funk out of him. For sure, too late, he
got already said. I said that I like it, but
not for the price. For sure. I agree that this
is the best he got a player option.
Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
It's a team option, so he can get down to
real team option.
Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
He's not I don't think so let's tiny can find.
Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
But again, he's gonna get forty three million dollars a year,
it's like forty. They can't get that. They'll give him
like maybe, like, do y'all believe in Cam with Moore?
I like him, Yes, I think time. I think you
go try to find someone with Cam with Moore and
some and some more assets. But two years, no, I
think you go trade him and go find like a
legit point guard, like a Drew Holliday potentially like someone
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like that now Drew Holiday go there. That's what I'm saying,
Like I would go get a Jew Holiday or someone
of that Jew How hello, they come here?
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Legit? No?
Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I think Chris Paul, Chris Paul on the list, Chris
pauls don't want the list? You know, THEE is gonna
be at every game?
Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Oh yeah, hey, hey, I'm gonna say this though hear
me out. As far as Katie's moves, it might have
been one of his best moves other than the Brooklyn one,
because the Brooklyn one, like I said, that was just unlucky.
The reason I say it's one of his best moves
is before the draft and free agency hasn't opened yet.
Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
They'll get somebody. They're not done, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
They have a lot of room. They have a lot
of room to get better guys.
Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
All I'm saying is I would like to see them
make make a upgrade at the point position. That's all
we're saying. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Once I figured Drew.
Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Holiday, I'm there's a lot of people trying to go
get him something. But to be fair, legit, how how
many holiday have? How many legit?
Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
How many good of the years? Is KTI have holiday?
In my opinion, who Drew Hollid That's a tough one.
I think it's the same. I think they year for
Drew Holland to give KD. If KD dropped to twenty
four points on fifty percent shooting, that's not a fantastic year.
But Drew Holidays, that's don't show up though we know
that what Drew oh, I mean true, but like he
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also didn't do too well.
Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
And he had an injury injury year, bro come on man, he.
Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Had I mean, look, I'm just but that's saying that's
I'm adding, how many more good year guys?
Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
That's my initial question.
Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
But you know who I would love to see go
there though, just with just how they play and just
Trey Young, no Murray Murray when he gets back.
Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
He's miserable, and oh my god, I would love to
see him in Houston just because they play defense.
Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
You don't need to be in Houston.
Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Why not he don't.
Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
He don't. He don't do that.
Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
He don't go out like that.
Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
You don't just what he said. I got a name
for you, guys, I don't know I got I got
two names to you guys. Do you guys like Malcolm
Brogden over Van Vleet?
Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Who Malcolm playing?
Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I heard him in two years? I don't know. I
really wouldn't know Malcolm Brockden. I remember Washington, Washington got
to watch Malcolm Brogden. I remember he was an elite
shooter and he can play, so I pick him over Fred.
But I haven't seen him in two years. Like you
guys said, he'd like he's been hurt. And the other
red though, and the other name I have for you guys.
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Is the issue?
Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Though?
Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
It wasn't the no, No, I don't, I don't wasn't
the issue. I don't think it's about him being the issue.
I just think with this team, I think you could
use a different types. So you don't rit for some reason?
Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Because he hit those three threes on crazy. But but
my thing is, like, what the what the three threes?
Remember in the finals, he couldn't shoot. You can ask
shootings without getting rid of him. That's the problem. They
just can't.
Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
They can't pay him forty two million.
Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
That's what I'm saying. They want to pay him forty
two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I agree with you. I think you change the contract
and then we're go get That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Like he's going to get paid like twenty five to
twenty seven, and that's gonna be okay. I take Chris
Paul over Fred, to be straight with you, mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
I'm just trying to see how that would Jill, because
Fred don't necessarily need the ball as.
Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Much as CP. But can you imagine, so you gotta
think about that too. Can you imagine CP orchestrat into
this line.
Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
I love it, I love it, but CP needs that
ball more when really they kind of plays through through
Big Fella a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Kad He need to be in Dallas, said, I don't.
I don't see that. Cep needs to be somewhere where
he really anywhere you imagine could you imagine if Chris
Paul running a pick and roll at Anthony Davis Gafford.
Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
I just don't think of making it instead of takeout.
Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
I forget about Cooper.
Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Listen, I don't like Fred. Y'all know that we're going back,
going to going to Chapel Hill. I was going to Durham.
Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
He was on the plane normally too. People was like that, Coop, Yeah,
that's him.
Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Was the first class at least, Yeah, the first.
Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Right in front of me.
Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Well, you know, people like I mean, I'm sure he could,
but private jet money is different, Bro, it's different.
Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
But Bro, you about to be the number one pick
in the drift, probably the most athlete right now.
Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Nasty new balance, nasty as new balance, guys, that's nasty NB.
He's putting a new balance in nasty NB.
Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Bro, and better than them sketches.
Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
We're talking about Nike versuswhere you gotta go, right. I
ain't never seen you wear anything other than Nike.
Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
Bro, I was I didn't even wear that can in
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yeah. I know you had a shoot, I know you
had deals. I haven't seen you anything other than Nikes.
Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Now you want me to bring different shoes?
Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
No, No, I'm not saying do you have any new
balance in your in your closet. Damn, I didn't know
that Y used to be heavy you a because they
paid his pills. They paid his bill. You used to
lace you.
Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
I'm talking about boxing.
Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I can't hear.
Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yes, the Calves, Oh, they got the Calves. Calves. I
mean I said it wasn't gonna be the Knicks, That's
all I said.
Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I think I think the Calves are pretenders. So, unless
you know where my head's at, Kurts of the Calves
are if with everything coach right, depend on what they
do with their coach to put my resume.
Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
The Calves are the favorite already. They just gotta upgrade,
all right?
Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
So listen, does Kevin Durrant make them contenders?
Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Yes, this is Kevin Deer for niggas in the media.
Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I want to know you're talking. You know better than
never asking question.
Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Are they better than that? In your opinion? They would
be better than Denver Woo? I want you.
Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Off season, huge off season?
Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Are they better than right now?
Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Okay, if we're right now, if it's right now today,
But the way the teams are orchestrated Houston is the
best team.
Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
In the league or just in the West.
Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no, I don't
know if they I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Toes down it'll be a great clip. Are they the
best team right now? Okatie, yes or no? Uh, they're
not the best team.
Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
I'll take that back. They're not the best team.
Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
But I think they're better than the.
Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Warriors right now.
Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
I think they're better than the Warriors, but they're not better.
I don't think they're better than the Wolves. I think
they're right below the Wolves. I think it's okay see
Denver Wolves and that the Wolves gotta show me some
ship now. They can't disappoint me. How they went Wolves?
No no, no no no no no get rid no
no no, yes, yes, yes, the Wolves are good.
Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
The Wolves are good. Been in the Rockets.
Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
To the Rockets is to me is top three now
in the top three.
Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Four for me.
Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
I don't think the biggest thing is that he did
it before, he did it before free agency.
Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, we got Dallas too, but they ain't better than Dallas.
A healthy Dallas with.
Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Kyrie, they they're they're out of there there.
Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
They're top five to me, you can swap out Wolves
injury is gonna be fucking and and let's be honest, if.
Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
You don't forget about the Clippers now.
Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Don't forget about the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
If we get Bobby Porter, like they reporting, we're gonna
get Bobby Porter, you put them with Dre the Warriors,
we're the favorite to I was like, Bobby Porter is
my fault? We're the favorite to land Bobby Porters. You
put him side Dre Jimmy. But who the wh.
Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Huh? That makes us?
Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
That puts us right in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
With the Wolves and everything? Make contender because no, I.
Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Said that puts us in the conversation with Houston in them,
I don't. I think there's only three contending. You know,
it's Kevin Looney, the three for Bobby for what Looney for?
How they play talking about but we're not talking about
like Lak you're better to Yeah, Bro, Lakers, the Lakers
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through five, the Lakers get a big I think they're
better than this Houston team. Are we really? Are we
really gonna say they're contenders? Like I think there's only
three of the contenders right now. They still continuing the Lakers.
Who makes them gonna get get one big one Big,
they get a legit big.
Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
It's legit.
Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
My fault on Bobby port Chat my fault compell agent
who Clint Coppella Read Copella?
Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Who they need it? They need?
Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
They need to picking picking big.
Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
You gotta spend that much money to get Compella now,
but you're gonna spend some money to get Read. I
think you gonna get both of them.
Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
What not?
Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I think I think you move on from Austin Reeves
and try to get like a beat big and you
can kind of find find guard to Phillis you're not
getting rid of You See what they got for Desmond Band.
I think they should. You see what they got for
Desmond Band. You could do something like that for Austin.
Get more because like because like do you do you
really need Austin with Lebron and lucahotrolling the pace?
Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
That's what I But that's the thing. You gotta know
how long Lebron gonna be there, That's what I'm saying.
It's like that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
But but my whole point to you guys is like
you can get somebody else that that can shoot what
they can replace eighty percent of Austin Reaves that's for
a cheaper price.
Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
I told you, I'm definitely trading a R.
Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I'm training a R two. I'm doing it for what Desmond.
What they got for Desmond band, I think they canna
get triple J. I would probably try to figure something
off for trip J. That's a that's a great that's
a great trip J.
Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
I was.
Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I ain't got to brow that ship up. That's so
they consider which calling one or two? Austin rees what
they considered him one or two?
Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Two's it too?
Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Because Luca there, because I was saying, send them to
send them to Sacramento for Zach Lavine.
Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Oh but nasty? Why that's nasty?
Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
It was nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
It didn't help that with Zach. They need a center.
Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
It's okay, you still go get you a center, but
you still need somebody else to score that case.
Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Training for the bonus?
Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
All right, y'all?
Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I mean anything anyone on the Kings is nasty. Do
you have the contents point? Do you have tender rockets?
Are they contenders yes? As is, no, they may make
the movies. Do you have them as is?
Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Their contenders?
Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Okay, cool, their contenders right now?
Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Next thing on the three teams better than how they continents.
There's three teams in the West better than them, y'all,
But there's hell of teams that could containd Okam.
Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
And we were saying, we were saying teams we met
like lef they make changes right now.
Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Okay, when we define contenders, we mean talk that like
you expect them to be in the Western Conference Finals?
Do you expect the Rockets to being the West Conference
Finals next year? If they don't, they don't a bus No, no, men't.
It's a bust. No, no, feel don't don't give me
that with this roster. Should they be there?
Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Yes or no?
Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
Not?
Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Not?
Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
You your surprised should they be there?
Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Not you?
Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
You wouldn't if they are in the West Conference Finals,
it's a bust because you know what I's that's continued.
I expect Denver and Okay, no.
Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
There's no way, no way you feel that talked about it.
There's no dynasties no more because teams are good. There's
too many good teams.
Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
We didn't.
Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Their team and it changes things.
Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Like we can next year if y'all don't put money
on Okay, see a Denver being in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Y'all are frauds.
Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
No, that's not that's who I expected. That's who I
expected even free agency.
Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
What do you think how I think they're all. I
think they're all in a continuing way. And I think
if they get the right road, if you used to
get the right road, they have.
Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
And Stiel and I said, I didn't say you're wrong.
I'm just defining what I defined as a contender. And
you said that you believe that they should be in
the Western CONFS finals. Actually that's fair. I didn't say
you're wrong. I believe they could get there. But is
it the team you expect to be there with this roster?
Do you expect them to be there not? Can they
get that? I can't. I can't expect any I expect
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to be there though. But that's what I'm saying. I
expect that that Those are my two favorite picks right
now talking about what do we not all expect Boston
to be back at least in exactly that we all did.
Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
That's a whole different team. That's a whole different team.
You're comparing Boston to the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
That're defining what contending me, that's what he's defining what
contending means he we expected Boston to be the only
real contender from the East until the cat that's what
everyone win. That exactly, that's what the point.
Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
But that's what a contender is, a team that you
can actually expect to win it all. If they just
said the Western Conference final, y'all didn't say nothing about
the fight, but.
Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
That that's that was his defense a contender. Mine was
will they be the one of the last? I said,
did we not expect Boston to be in the conference finals?
Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Again?
Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
I didn't say finals. Again, that's not That's not what
came in my mouth. But what I'm saying is that
you expecton That's the question. That's the question you want.
What do you expect Houston to be one of the
last two Western teams?
Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Standing? Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
If you were to put money on it right now, No.
Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
I wouldn't built the money on it. Then nobody though
I want to put money on Okay, see all right, then.
Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
You don't have a real contender. You don't have you
don't have a contender.
Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Say, dude, what the Cleveland a contender before the playoffs started?
Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
You know my answer, man, he knows.
Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
He's just trying to what are you talking about He's
just trying to.
Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Have an argument.
Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Everybody can be a contender. He's trying, okay, because you're
going all around his question, Bro, you're going.
Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Contender doesn't mean the questions like just first it was
Western Conference, Yes, they could get there.
Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Would argue, No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
I don't want to argue, but I think okay, so
and them could get to the Western.
Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Yes, let me make it easy for you. Let me
make it easy for you with this roster. Can they
Do you think with this roster alone, can they win
a championship? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I wouldn't be shocked.
Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
No, but that's just as I wouldn't be shocked. Do
you would you expect this?
Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Okay, here you go, I got you.
Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Do you do you expect them to win with this roster?
That's the question? Yes, you expected they're going to win? No,
win a championship? Do you expect them to win championship
with this roster? That's what a contender means. You expect
them to really give what legitimate it's not That is
what an I expect. Okay, a legitimate contender, A legitimate contender,
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that's not what I defind it as that gas comments
finals like. Okay, let me give you example. The Raptors
contended in twenty seventeen, but they were really pretenders. They
were never going to win a contender. They were pretender.
They were never gonna beat Braun. You had no idea
that they be because I knew they're gonna lose. They
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were pretenders.
Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
The war was not a legitimate one.
Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
That's your opinion.
Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
That was opinion, Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
They were never gonna You already thought drafts though the
Raptors are gonna be Lebron in the East.
Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
I think it's not that ship for real.
Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
B y'all don't understand.
Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Things can happen, Bro, of course, but if everything's healthy, okay,
if if everybody is healthy, but that's that's that's the
only assumption, everybody. If Lebron James can walk, who the
fuck is gonna be contenders? If Lebron James can fucking
walk on the floor, who thought that ship be for real?
Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I don't, I don't listen.
Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
I'm gonna be games and he's lost.
Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
So let's not go against the Toronto Raptors who thought
Lebron James wasn't gonna swoop.
Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Then I am camp Camp Cam you're holding that mike
and you're not gaining anything. Lebron James had Jordan Clarkson,
Larry Nance, George Ill, fucking.
Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Who supposed to be could have thought they would have
had a chance that year.
Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
So we understand THEE thinks anybody tosses ball is a contender.
All right, let's move On's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
I'm not gonna even let it. I'm not gonna let
you say move on or some dumb ship like that.
Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I did not say that.
Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
I do not think this Charlotte Hornets are gonna win
a championship. I do not think Washington Wizards are winning
a champions and I think the Sacramento things no nigga.
Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Games. You just said that. I never said that.
Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
So you're telling me if Kevin Durant goes to fucking
nuclear and they have nobody that can guard them. Fucking
Fred ban Fleet has another Toronto year. He's shooting the
piss out the ball. Sandon starts to dominate. Fucking Uh,
what's the all boy that come out the bench?
Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
A young bull?
Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
God, I forgot his name? Ea, sen Uh, what's the
other dude? Can't with Moore with more? He starts to
come into his own. So if they all have great
years and they.
Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Funk around, get to the fires, and then k he
becomes finals MVP. You like, well, I didn't see KD
doing this, No motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Nobody. You're asking that we haven't seen yet. You're asking
for stuff that is so far from what what you've
seen from them, Like like, that's not even.
Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
We haven't seen okay se do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
That's not even probable though we already average sixty points
a game and shoot seventy percent. Then the gon't say
Worries are fucking contenders. That's what you're basically telling me.
Everybody's in. That's not what happens about.
Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
They are contenders because right now Kevin Durant has committed
to the Houston Rockets with a very good team. Now
they have a good draft, and they got the fucking
free agency they have to make more they can go
in there and put the people they I legitimate think
I don't know what the move is, because that's what
you're gonna ask me. They're probably one move away.
Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Executively changers.
Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
They know until they make the move, Until they make
the move, Do you think that you think they can't. No,
I don't think the chances Ross, I do not believe.
I don't believe that chance.
Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Get me out right here, Camp, hear me, hear me?
Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
This right?
Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Hank thought they had a better chance. He thought Golden
State had a good chance to beat Minnesota. Steph Curry
didn't get hurt?
Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Did you not come?
Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Yes? Okay. They think.
Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
A chance, not a good chance. Chance, not a good chance.
I said a chance.
Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
I just put Cavin Durant on Houston, and I'm gonna
go back to camp.
Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Cam said.
Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
If Jalen Green.
Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Even played like a shelle of himself, they beat the Warriors,
So why can't they beat them with Cavin Durant on
the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
To be honest, I'm not sure if the Warriors are continued.
That's why that's my point, because the Wars, I don't
think the Warriors would.
Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Have been okay see though.
Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
But we just talked about the Western.
Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
But I don't think. I don't think the okay see
would have been I don't think for your point, he's
right here. But but here's the point. Here's the point, though,
I don't think the Warriors were ever contenders. This year,
if they made it, I would have thought their pretenders.
Like I didn't think the mass had a shot in
the finals last year, the mass had zero shot in
my opinion, but they were contending though.
Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
That's it. Y'all thought the mass had a shot against Boston. Huh,
y'all you thought the Mass had a shot against Boston last.
Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
No, no, But you knew I said that you were.
I was in Dallas and I told you they had
no shot. Remember I said, Boston, No, I shot absolutely,
But then but didn't I call that you remember that
I told you no shot and it was for one,
but it was for one.
Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
I think that America didn't think the Mavericks had a shot.
I'm just letting you know they really didn't. They had
a chance because they were there, but they didn't really
have a chance any team that run through the just
just just just like you said that teams had a
chance against the Warriors, but they didn't really have a chance.
Did you have a did you bet?
Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Okay? That Warriors team was.
Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
A fun and Boston was that good compared to the
rest of the league that last year, is what I'm saying.
And me with Katie's But Boston was that far ahead
of every team last year.
Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Though, let's just keep that team had not ship to
do with that Warriors team.
Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
But I'm not saying I'm saying that's how far had
they were in the league, like nobody actually thought anybody
had a legit chance to win against those words. That's
how good Boston was compared to the rest of the
league last year. I could I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
I would not be able to tell you that Kyrie
would have played like that against the Boston Celtics. I
couldn't have told you that he played like himself.
Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
He did not play well at all, all right, he
said it ship all right?
Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Well, last topic is, uh, Kurt, you want to roll
the Tracey McGrady clip.
Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
We have too many talented players that come through this
league that are championship worthy. What I mean by that
if you put them, if you take them off a
team that is a championship quality team, replace me with Kobe,
with shat I don't win a championship. You don't think
I could carry the Lakers to a championship like I've
never had the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
I felt like if I was put in that position.
Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
To win a championship.
Speaker 7 (01:34:08):
I damn sure would show up and do what I
do in the playoffs to elevate my team to that level.
Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
I just never had the chance.
Speaker 7 (01:34:15):
So do I get diminished because I never won a championship?
Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
That's what I'm saying. My fault.
Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
I was never put in that position.
Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
See, they added another layer onto a team.
Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Then you have players that start saying, Okay, no, now
I gotta be at the facto GM now have to be.
Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
No, I gotta.
Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
Everywhere because they need to get no no, no, I
get you know, when it comes to Lebron and he
gets he gets traded or goes to Miami. But I
wasn't talking about but I'm talking about players one, three,
not four, not five.
Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Now he puts some of that on himself.
Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
What do you guys think. I mean, there's a lot
of niggas we could say if we put them on
the team with Shack and his problem, that they would
win championships. We're going backt like Tracy McGrady didn't make
it out of the first round until he went with
the Spurs.
Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
That's That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Like, I mean, he's one of my favorite players of
all time.
Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
You like, what the are we talking about? Hey, what
was it? What was the Houston Rockets best year? But
then it went like fifty games, number one in eight West.
Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Something like that. I mean, listen, I will tell you this.
They they did have we're on our test, Shane Battier,
Yao Ming and Juwan Howard and Tracy Grady. That team
was stacked. But listen, I don't think ya was healthy
for the playoffs, So like, I mean, you gotta take
that away. But but Tracy McGrady never left the first
round playoffs other than when he was with San Antonio.
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I'm just like, he's one of my favorite players. I'm
buystwards Tracy. But let's like, you didn't even make it
out the round. What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
This is? This is where it comes down to, and
make sure y'all clip this.
Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
I love.
Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Ray talked about it earlier. We get respect from our peers,
that's the That's what. Honestly for me, this is my opinion.
I think I get you. You should get more respect
from your peers. You get respect from your peers, then
you know, okay, are really doing something Because things do happen. Injuries,
bad circumstances. Uh, you never know what the fuck could
(01:36:35):
be going on in the locker room ship like that.
Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
So all that came into play for Tracy's career. Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
So at that point I understand it's unfair, but that's
what that's the cards you were dealt. My thing is,
when we talked about great the Brons, the Steps, the MJ's.
Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Koby's, they're all so the Kobe's like shacks, they're so great.
We got to that ring.
Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Shit matter.
Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Because when it comes to numbers and all that other shit,
you're you're looking at the same thing. You know what
I'm saying. You can't look at numbers like that when
you talk about really you can't even look at numbers.
Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
When you talk about Bron and Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Bron played twenty three fucking seasons. Of course his number
is gonna be better than MJ's. But MJ never lost.
He don't know what it He don't know what it
feels like to play a game seven. He doesn't know
what it feels like to lose an NBA Finals. So
(01:37:49):
that's where that criteria comes from, right, you have that
that shit matters at the end of the day, when
you play basketball and your competitor. Right the end of
the game, what are we looking at?
Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Did we win?
Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Okay, then you look at the box score? All right,
look my plus mind is my points. I said, blah blah,
turnovers all that shit, But did we win the game?
If you didn't win, it's gonna hurt you. That's for everybody,
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's just how that's
just how it is.
Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
I hate it. Everyone hates it.
Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
But you're judged off how you do and you can't
just like if I was on that, you don't know,
Shack might have not liked your ass.
Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
You know what I'm saying, Jack.
Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
The difference is you don't mean to cut you off
to you now you're good. The difference is when you
when you when I hear a statement like that, like
I understand what Tracy's saying and what he's trying to say.
And you know, I'm a big fan. I was a
big fan of Tracy. I love Tracy game. You know.
But the problem was is not that you didn't have
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a good enough team, because I know people probably a
lot of guys sitting back like looking listening to you
say that if I wasn't on the team with Shaq, Like,
damn I would have did this. But you was on
some pretty damn good teams in Orlando and in Houston.
You had some good teams. But the problem was is
you was running you was running into a problem. Guess
what Charles Barkley problem was. He couldn't get past fucking
(01:39:19):
Michael Jordan. Tracey McGrady couldn't get past Kobe Bryant and
Shaq and Lebron when he came in the league. I'm
just saying, you you go through these dudes who just
on another tier, you know. And I'm not saying Tracy
McGrady is not up there, but those guys are a
tier up there. They up further, you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
(01:39:40):
they up further. So you know they you couldn't get
past them. That's his beat. That's just let's call it
what it is. You couldn't get past them. You had
to deal with Kobe Bryant, and then Lebron just came.
You had to deal with Lebron leaving. Who is who
is Tracy? Who were they losing to in the first round?
Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
In Houston, They've lost a Dallas one year they lost
I think San Antonio. They they lost us some team. Yeah,
then you had to deal with shit.
Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
You had to deal with the Donny Still san Antonio
ship till tim.
Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
They lost to Dallas in five in this fresh year there.
Two thousand and six, they didn't make the playoffs. I
believe t Mac was injured. And then two thousand and seven,
I think they lost to the Jazz.
Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
Like, do I think he could have won?
Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
They lost to Utah?
Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Do I think he could have a championship with with
with with Shaquille the way his game was.
Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Of course I do. But we don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
We wouldn't know, you know, sometimes things don't work out
like you said theo. Hell, Shaq might might have didn't
like you.
Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
You just I mean, you don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
You don't know what it could have happened. Maybe you
in shock didn't click the way him and Kobe did.
You don't know these things. I was you capable just
like Kobe? Hell yeah, he was very skilled and and
could win a game by yourself, and you could do
everything that Kobe can do. But but we all know
Kobe Bryant's mentality, Kobe Bryant's killing, Kobe Browant what he
(01:41:01):
can do on one difference between Kobe. Kobe can go
win on defense.
Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
Too, just like him. Jacob was really a defender as well.
But this is what I would say that, This is
what I would say, But you're right, mentality is different mainte, Like,
let's what you said, what Ray said earlier. A lot
of guys would have gone through what rated and come
out on your first game and fucking hit a game
winning layup and you scored like thirty that game. That's
not every guy's not built for that. And I ain't
(01:41:27):
gonna sit here and say that Trason m grady had
the same mentality as Kobe. Kobe's a fucking sick He's
just different. So sick it's sick, and Kobe it's not
like Kobe was old. He was twenty two, winning championships
twenty one, like, that's very rare as well. So look,
I'm not with I don't know if t Mac at
that age has the same maturity.
Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
So I think it.
Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
I think it's more. I think it's one of those
situations where the thing I don't like is don't bring
up other people. Yeah right, I don't like how he
brought up Kobe. Don't bring up Cob like Kobe was
different from everybody. I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
There is no other There's no other fucking Kobe. I
don't give a damn.
Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Who you are that you didn't Kobe didn't fuck with nobody.
He wanted to kill every.
Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Who's going after Michael Jordan? Who Tykes? Who talks to
Michael Jordan like that? No, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
Like he legitimately thought he was better than him at
that age. So my thing is, you're he ain't Cole.
You had Everyone respects Tracy McGrady. Everyone knows if it
wasn't for he's a fucking issue, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
He's a Hall of Famer. And it's not like just
be like I had unfortunate circumstances. We just never got there.
But I would put it like this, and I'll leave
it at this. Lebron, Michael Jordan, Kobe, Bryant, Shaq, they're
not losing to the Jazz. They're not losing the fucking Dallas.
You talked about them running into Kobe, they didn't. He
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didn't even get to them.
Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
It's true. Yeah, he ran to Kobe one year, I
think two thousand and nine that remember they had that
tough series. I remember they them, but what happened. You
can't you didn't even get to them, So I don't
know how we can. Oh, he was injured that year
when they made it out.
Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
The greats are the greats, and at the end of
the day, everybody can't be at that level. We strive
to beat.
Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Yes, they did.
Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
In two thousand and nine they play the Lakers, but
t mac was injured.
Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Yeah, but at the end of the day, we all
can't be there.
Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
In two thousand and nine, they beat Portland without te Tmak.
I remember specifically because I know for a fact. No, no,
I'm on a too ur two thousand and NBA playoffs,
Kirk can told me about Houston. Trace mccan is my
favorite player. Yeah, my point. See, come on, guys, don't
listen to Kurt. Listen to Kurt. No, you guys are right,
(01:43:57):
You guys are right.
Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
I'm with you, right, because I I get where he
was trying to say. But like, I think he lost
everybody once he did the Kobe thing. Once, He's like hours,
it sounded it was a bunch of hate.
Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
It sounded. He went straight the hater ship.
Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
He was being guys.
Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Can we be real?
Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Though?
Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Tam Ma never made it out of the first round.
He was being a hoe like he has no I'm
not gonna that's crazy. You talking about Kobe like put
some respect on t Max's name. Ain't a hope he
disrespected Kobe. Maybe maybe Kobe did if you put me there,
But you never made it out of the first round.
(01:44:36):
We're talking about championships. You never even made it out
the first round. Your teams are good enough to make
it out the first round. He did have a healthy
yelming when he first got there.
Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
What are you debt? Put it out there.
Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
You're a Hall of Famer. You're probably top five to
seven of your position. I think Tracy McGrady, a lot
of people argue, is probably one of them. If you
were to create a BASKETB player, he might be the
most talented basketball player because he really six nine to
six ten he and he's more athlet He's more athletic
than KD. But that's what I'm saying, what he arguing about,
that's what I'm saying. His vision team Ac could pass.
(01:45:07):
There's not a single skill that Teamac didn't have, and
he was so super athletic team. Ac might be the
most one of the most talented players to ever be
put on this earth. Is no one's disagreeing with him
on that. But that's why it's like, why are you
talking about the niggas?
Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
But this is the thing, though, we we we we
all listen, we all talked about we all saw the game.
Michael Beasley is probably one of the most gifted motherfuckers
we've seen play basketball, is right, So like we get
what Tam Mac's saying. No one said you weren't good.
(01:45:40):
You see what I'm saying. It's just like there's levels
to the ship. But we all know, like we all,
no one's disrespecting Michael Beasley. No one's going to play
Michael Beasley one on one.
Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
You know why, because they get cooked.
Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
It will cook you.
Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
That's what he is good at. You know what I'm saying.
He is a good, bad basketball player. But like I said, I.
Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Think the shot at Kobe was just a lot. I
was like, come on, bro, what do you mean, we
don't know what the fuck could have happened? If you
replace Kobe, Kobe would have won with what's her name?
Maybe if Kobe was in Houston, Kobe probably would have been, like, shit,
I would have took that Houston team won medi a chip.
Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
I think Kobe would have won.
Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Yeah, what I'm saying. I think what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
His twenty ten ring, his twenty nine twenty ten ring
kind of helped that narrative. But who one is his
twenty ten his back to back rings. The tough one
about the twenty ten one I would say is that
the Celtics center have the full roster. But you know
that was a Game seven, so hey.
Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
But at the end of the day, I said this
before all great players to get stamped, you gotta you
gotta do it somewhat on your own, not like a
super superstar Cleveland, you know, like fucking Kobe had to
do it without Shaq Steph had to do it without KD.
Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Like those guys have to do Those.
Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Kobe seems are stacked. Though Let's not get that wrong.
L O pal Andrew by them. That's a squad and Ron.
Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
Ron, But they're not like they're not like the Yeah
Bro show. If they're not the two thousand.
Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Healthy Andrew Bynum was one of the best bigs in
the league. Let's if that two thousands.
Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Show the kid Andrew a picture of Andrew Bidam. They
will have no idea who.
Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Yet, but we don't need it. But we're not talking
about that. When Andrew Bidham was actually healthy and he'd
have knee issues, was he not an issue in the league? Guys?
Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
No, he was.
Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
He was eighteen and twelve like this, eighteen and ten,
he's not. He was getting he was closed to be
the next great center, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
But during those years he was healthy, he was one
of the best centers. And Gasol is one of the
best players, none of the best power forwards of all time.
But no one's not saying it. But neither one of
the niggas a shack. That's sure. I agree with you,
But I'm just saying, let's not like Covid definitively, but
he had a stacked He had a stack seven. You
have to have a team a grade seven, not like
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have a team you said. But he's definitely that. But
that's not what I'm arguing. I'm not saying he was
on the least for sure, But what I'm saying is
that he had a very very good seven. Like his
seven was better than a lot of sevens. That's all
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Still like what it was good?
Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
It was good?
Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
No, No, I know I'm not saying it wasn't better
than I'm saying. Kobe saund a great roster on him though,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
No team winning the championship were not a good roster.
Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
No championship tam has a bad roster.
Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
Yeah, I gotta be healthy. His point. He proved his
point that he could win. Ony he what what we said,
what we say at the beginning of the playoffs, the
healthiest team gonna do?
Speaker 7 (01:48:43):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Who not that be actually healthy? Raised on payroll championship.
Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
Next time we have the show, I'm gonna have my shirt.
Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Hey, championship. He By the way, we're asking Charlie for
an apology or what another apologize, but he has He's
gonna have to say something.
Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
You're gonna have to say you're going right right?
Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
No, yeah, crazy though.
Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
You saw that.
Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
You saw that they painted the buses before they even win.
Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
That was crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
That's tough though.
Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
That was.
Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Now you gotta give you got to give your guys
a confidence. Bro, the Wizards. I just saw some about
k k.
Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Mid picked up his thirty three player. I would have
picked that mother up yesterday. Yeah, hey, before the season. Hey, look,
I'm going to tell you right now, before getting I'm
gonna pick that up.
Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Which Which team do you guys want to see Middleton on?
Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Not the Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
I'm only saying that because of what Jackson Jackson is.
Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
It crazy?
Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Not j Jackson, It ain't crazy. But we don't need
the point guard.
Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
You need a point guard.
Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
I would I would actually like to see him go
to UH for thirty three. I would like to see
him go to san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
I like him in Denver. I think he.
Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Is a good fit. I like him, and we didn't
talk about quickly. Where do you guys want to see
Jayleen Green? Because he's being moved. He's on State in Phoenix,
not on my team. I was telling Canvas earlier that
I could see Wizards. You want to see him in Washington.
Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
Give him a chance to just go out there and
just see if he can be a star. Why not?
Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
I want to see him in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Him going to a contendent team. He ain't ready for contendent.
Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
I want to see him in Atlanta. Beside Trey, I
would like to see something like that bring up in Dallas.
No you don't want him in Dallas. No, don't say
I said not on my team? Who said quick as fuck,
not on my team? Hey fuck it. If I'm if
I'm what's the name, I.
Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Don't maybe sack soon to the bucks Man, maybe Portland
or something, yeah, something so.
Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
So hear me.
Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
I don't want this to happen. I can just see
a crazy world where Golden State does like a d
LO thing where they want some assets and they trade
Cominga for him. So then you sport Steph Jimmy, Jalen
Draymond and Bobby Portist. I can definitely see something happen
like that, weird just so you get something back for Cominga.
I think Phoenix, I think I think Phoenix will love
Cominga though, like he fit perfectly in that with beside
(01:51:37):
the book. So I can see them getting an asset,
but I don't want to see that.
Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
We're gonna see some changes, Bron happen, or or you can.
Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Send them to Milwaukee and Brooklyn brook Low Pazz to Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
No, they don't they need you. They need you.
Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
They need in center jr.
Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Oh yeah, and the Cary has a great point after
what Draymond said the jailing, that's not happening. He probably
gonna be Remember he's talking about nails getting painted and
stuff on the court and talking a lot of that.
Ship to him.
Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Chris Middleton thirty three million.
Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Didn't actually fighted that, so I don't know about he
probably actually fighted that, all right, Yo, Any last words
before we sign out. Nope, I ain't gotten the thunder Man.
Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Shout to the thunder Shout out to Okay, see.
Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Hey, shout out to Tyres Speedy, recovery to tyrese man.
Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Yeah, spit recovered, Tyres, j T and Dan. Yeah, man,
y'all get healthy. The agency gonna be crazy, though, Ship.
Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
There's a lot of star player star power missing in
the league next year, last the season. Yeah, but Kyrie
gonna be back.
Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
I'm just saying for half the season. This is at
least we get to see Kyrie though. That's what I'm saying.
We don't get We won't get to see those guys
till twenty six seven. Yeah, twenty sixth season. Shit, them
niggas got hurt late in the playoffs. Yeah, we won't
see We won't see them in til twenty six twenty seven,
not twenty five, twenty six.
Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Definitely want to see Tyres.
Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Yeah, I know we won't see that. I mean Katie Took.
I think Katie said the precedent. Bro, you're taking two
years off, a year and a half at least, because
he's the only one that's come back looking back to
pretty much normal with his Achilles injury. Right, yeah, he
lowk he might have played better after it. Yeah, all right, y'all, Okay,
we'll see y' all right Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Appreciate y'all. All Right, he's
Yo, yo, yo, yo yo.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We are back with another live stream of to the
Baja Fixed Angles.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, my head is cut off.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's all good girl, fixed them.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
You can hear us, can hear y'all. Can't see you though,
you can't see us. Yeah, he can't see us.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
No, what's up, everybody? What's up?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We got Ray back in the building, back off sabbatical.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You know, champs in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Okay, see you know, raised on payroll.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
No, I'm not no, no, I was.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Getting ring right.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You should you should get a you should get a
coaching call.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Easy.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I mean you called this from the get go.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I should get something coach and call or ring.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I just want to ring. Just give me a ring.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I can put it up in a glass box.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You called. You called this from the get go.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately Jingles.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
He called the Jangles. You in tolerance crazy on one,
ain't you.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I mean, they just don't feel right and play the
full game.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
But you know that's how people win championships. Things happen,
you know, these things happen. It just wasn't ment, you know,
It's just it wasn't meant for any end of this year.
That's Okay, it was meant for my boys.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
This is what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I wish I had my shirt.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Boy.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, still in the rico. When when do you get back?
We got one more week, one more.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Week, okay, one more week and I'm back, my boy
to be back.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Banging y'allas game. We're on the two game winner, street man.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I watched the game.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Bro, the two games had a little thirty ball, then
I had a little twenty five.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
How to feel with the North Carolina violence? Bro, you caught.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Hey, look, bro, you get it right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What we say in between those lines, they can get wicked,
get wickeds be cool. Hey anytime anytime Ray came back,
we won friends when we saw playing.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I'm trying to kill y'all every time you get some
to eat out of it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, just like that, right like that?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, yeahs I's supposed to.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Go and yo, we'll start with some fun stuff. You
you guys down to start with the fun stuff. Let's
go all right. You heard this clip before, play the
play the the Nilo clip. We talk with the champs afterwards,
we'll talk about the champs off.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
He comes in and said, you guys, you know I
think you know it's he said it to the GM
and the coach. But he's like, you guys got to
do it. If not, there is no there is no
other situations.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know, you gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So here he goes.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
The next day, we you know, they told us you
were being traded, and all of a sudden we are
talking to each other, me and Raymond Moskob Wilson, Chandler
and well somebody else was in the trade. And we
were talking as like, guys, the next that, when is
(03:29):
the next Denver game? When do they play next? Can
we stay here in New York couple of days, party
like crazy, and then go to Denver. So we're looking
at the schedules like yeah, yeah, yeah, don't they don't play.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Until like Friday.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
All right, So I'm gonna call my agent, said, listen,
I'm not I'm gonna stay two days in New York
and on the thurday I'm going to Denver. He said, okay,
all right, So the next two days, me, Raymond Wilson
and a couple of other guys, we spend two days
in New York, but be it in sleep, and then
(04:02):
we got to Denver.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Legendary y'all had a good.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Time, right, what was'all doing for forty eight hours? Y'all
had a good time. I want to secrecy.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Boy, that's one of things to take to the grave,
you understand me.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Hey, but yea, we enjoying New York City. So the rumors,
so it's true, y'all. Y'all, y'all didn't play like four
days or three days.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, we took us two days before we left New York.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
It took two days. Hey, don't call me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
When he told me, I was with it, I'll say, hey, listen,
if it ain't no U to get the different and
let's let's get it in.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I was a young book then.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I was a young shout like trip about that.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
That was just like, no, what about we get there
when we get there, y'all ain't got no game. We
ain't playing soon as we getting anyway, we got there,
they was actually playing the game, and we just came
in and we just went up to the suite and
watched the game. That was it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's what's said. Man, Well, I'm glad you had a
good time. When I saw that clip, I was dying laughter.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yellow.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Hey Ray, Hey, Ray, was you uh? Was you shocked
about the trade?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Because I was thrown in the trade last I was
the last one to get thrown in.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You said the heat George Cars asked about you.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, George called last minute. George Cross said, well, to
make this trade happen, let's bring let's bring Raymond Felton
over here too. And I was like, uh, I didn't
want to leave New York.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I didn't want to leave New York. You know what
I'm saying. But you know, it was all good though.
You know, we had a lot of fun there. Me
and Ty got a chance to play with each other,
and it was fun, you know with young bo Yeah,
me and Ty, Yeah, so we got a chance to
play and it was fun. I asked for a trade
after that season though, because I was still young. No,
(05:58):
I did. I was still young.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
They gave they wanted to give Tie the keys, you know,
and and I was like, well, you're going to do that.
I just came out of nineteen and nineteen and eight,
nineteen and nine season, you know, yeah, you know, I
didn't want to be no backup point guard. You know,
at that point, I was like year six. That was
like year six for me. I'm like, nah, I'm still young.
(06:20):
I know, I'm good, Like, just go ahead and trade me.
You know, I wish I wouldn't have because I ended
up going to Portland.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But you know, conversation, that's interesting that they want to
throw you into trade because they had tie like why
are you gonna ask for you?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Exactly? But that was George called George called like me.
I like George though George. George was cool. He was
a good coach, you know. But yeah, I didn't. I
didn't like it at all, but it happened. Yeah, I'm
with you.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's funny. Last last business, that's the business. Last thing
on that. Also, you have anything to say, you said
you took away his fifty points, bro, we just got
to react to the race stuff on the pod. That
game winning layup.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That's on him. He should have he shouldn't have took
that three hey, people left it. He left it. He
left it open. He left he left it open, so
he left it open. I had to go do what
I had to go do. And I was with a
lot of people don't know about that game. That game
meant everything for me because I came off a high
anchor injury and I didn't play for like three four months.
(07:19):
When I first got to Dallas, I was out for
a high inco injury. And when I came back, shit,
Rick Rick Carlout told me he had no minutes for me. Like,
so I was playing that whole season, like you got
ask Charlie, like I was playing, I was having DMPs
and I'm like about to go crazy. That's when you
really got to tap into your your mental and really
understand that you got to stay professional. You really got
(07:41):
to stay ten toes down, because if you don't, you're
in a situation like that being a start of your
whole career and then all of a sudden you ain't
playing at all. You're sitting down. I'm not old, you know.
At that point, I was like twenty nine to thirty.
He just like, I ain't got no minutes for you
because they traded for JJ Barrero when I got hurt.
So now you're looking at JJ, Devin Harris, Monte, Jamil
(08:02):
Nelson at the time, Wesley Matthews. There's so many guards
that were well channing Parsons. There was so many guards there.
The man told me he had no minutes for me.
Bro So I finally get an opportunity towards the end
of the year, and it was funny. It was that
game and and I got the game win the layup.
I hit somebody I think it was Randy for you
(08:23):
with the crossover, went to the basket, laid it up.
But then after that, I blocked Kenneth far Reid's shot.
He had me in the post and try to shoot
a jump hook, and I blocked his shot to win
the game.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
After that, it was red.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
After that, after I hit that layup, came down. It
was a defensive position. I blocked this shot to win
the game.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Something happened with the audio, Curt.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I can't hear.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I can hear it, Okay, I guess.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's so crazy, bro, that part of the game of
like guys like you sit there and I used to
be you know, everybody called me the great teammate and
all that stuff. I still used to be mad as hell.
I wasn't playing like they'll be guys in front of me.
I'm sitting there, like, bro, what I could do what
they're doing? And more so, why am I not playing?
(09:17):
And for a guy like you who started your whole
career to go do that. People don't understand like that
shit fucks with you, you know what I'm saying, Like
you've been playing, you've been doing all this, you made
your name, and for you to go through that and
then after be the pro be a pro I think
that's what people really need to understand, Like not when
(09:38):
you get there, how do you handle that adversity?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And I'll said this before you go, Ray, People forget
how cold you were because the y'all comments. People are
on your ass and Charlie what you guys said about y'all,
which you know I disagree with, but they're like, you
guys didn't do nothing. I'm like, yo, Ray was almost
an All star.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Like, man, listen, you're gonna have You're gonna have people
who hate. I look at the comments sometimes too. I
see people make comments, you know what I'm saying, and
I just I just laugh and I just laugh because
at the end of the day, what did you do?
Did you play? You know? And that's how I look
at it. Did you play? You can you said I'm sorry,
you said all you y'all y'all didn't do nothing. I
(10:15):
was a starter. I'm pretty much my whole career, you know.
I mean, I can't sit here and say I'm gonna
be a Hall of Famer, But you know, I did
pretty good for a little old South Carolina boy. You
know what I'm saying from from where I'm from. So
you know, whatever that do that, don't that. Don't bother
me when they when they do that, I don't care.
You know, loans, my peers know. My peers know I
was a dog, and that's all that matters to me.
(10:37):
But they go back to what THEO was talking about. Listen,
a lot of people don't even understand that whole year,
I'm coming off a gun charge in New York. That's right,
you know, I'm mentally, I'm messed up. I had to
I had to go see a psychiatrist and everything. A
lot of people don't know that about me. And that's
what I be talking about with people, just fans like
that that got comments like that. They don't know your story.
(11:00):
They don't know what you have to go through and
what you deal with. All they think is all y'all
get paid a lot of money, y'all. Just y'all need
to stop crying. Ain't about crying. I'm still a human being,
you know, at the end of the day, and I'm
still a person who deal with stuff on everyday life.
Regardless of my bank account, regardless of what I got,
that don't matter. I'm still a human. I still gotta live. So,
you know, coming off a gun charge in New York,
(11:20):
where I could have lost everything, I could even did
the in prison time, you know, and God willing, thank God,
to this day. You know, I never served any time.
You know, obviously I lost a shitload of money, you know,
just off lawyer fees and things I had to do
to get out of the situation and come to New York.
I mean, then come to Dallas to a new team,
new situation and get injured on top of that, and
(11:44):
I'm already still dealing with the backlash of the situation
of my divorce and the gun charge and everything that
I had to deal with in that moment. Then turn
around and get hurt and then come back and not
get not play man. The coach tell you, I have
no minutes for you. A lot of people don't understand
the things that you go through, man, but you know,
it just it builds character, It builds you know, you
(12:06):
as a person. You know, just just the strength that
I had mentally to go through those things and still
you know, get through that adversity and still be able
to play another four years after that, you know, with
just you know, just just amazing, bro.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
For real.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
People don't understand that, but you know they always.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Have something not nah, right, Like it's one of those
things where you sit here and it's kind of a
great segulary to the game because you when they look
at NBA players, when they look at guys that played
at the level we play, that you kind of feel
like we have to bottle a lot of shit in
(12:45):
because you think about it too. We are human like shit, bro.
We do make a lot of money. We did make
a lot. We do make a lot of money. We
got a lot of privileges. We we we are treated
very respectfully than a lot of the normal person.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
We know that we're not fucking stupid.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Uh, And like that comes with it, right, but also
comes with we got to understand as athletes and as
people that we're human also and we can express those emotions,
We can have those emotions, and we can also ask
for help, you know what I'm saying. So I think
it goes to exactly what this happened last night. Last night,
(13:27):
Game seven was the weirdest game I ever watched for
me post as soon as he went for him to
go cook like it was literally like Kevin Durant, no
cap KD was cooking, Tyreech was cooking soon. I don't,
(13:49):
I don't, I don't even know. I don't even know
if if I said it on the last show or
who I was talking to, and I said that exact
movement is what could happen and how it can go bad,
exactly what he did a situation You're not gonna do
and warm up say anything. It's gonna be a reactive
(14:11):
because our game is so reactive that those are the
best players where you could just react. Yes, So like
you throw the ball, he's about to shoot right, so
you're relaxing your body to shoot the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh heart, close out, let me take a step back
to get by him. Right. That's how the freak freak
shit happens.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
He's now he was about to go crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And then now you sit there and Obi top has
said it. After the game, he was like, Bro, I'm
gonna be honest. I play like shit, but all I
can think about is Tyrese. You know what I'm saying?
Like this dude literally come out. He knew that, everyone
and their mama knew what could happen, and then it happened.
That's tough, bro. So now we go back to the
(14:58):
real thing, right, mental health? Right, does Tyree sit here
and be like, of course, everybody in their mamadedd's competitor.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We'll go out there and play. But you sit there
and you see a dude fall like that.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
First of all, that's the biggest shot of the game
right there, the lou door shot was the bigges shot
of the game. I don't give a fuck about any
of these other buckets. That was a huge shot because okay,
she was right. Okay, see was raveling, bro. They were
getting no good shots, and then when they hit that,
they went on a run. But all that to be said,
(15:34):
it was a very very unfortunate that we was about
to see an unbelievable game seven if Tyree's did not
get hurt.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Real the whole game, Indiana was making a run.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm sitting there like, they can make this bitch as
close as they want to. Their guy, their closer is
not there, that guy that they know they can throw
the ball to suck. They don't know who might get
the shot but he gonna make the play. He's not there, right,
t J McConnell unbelievable player.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I shout out to TJ to man. TJ played like
a warrior, you know, and he just made himself a
lot of money.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
He made himself a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
First of all, he extended last year. I think intended
year extended.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I hope, but it don't matter. But he solidified as
far as like, but that's not a TJ McConnell was
a great point guard. He's like, yeah, that's not that moment. Yeah,
that's that's not t J McConnell's job to go win
a game seven.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
No, no, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's not in them Hart's job to go win again.
The way the way that game was going.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
If you really look at the first court before tyres
went out, Shae Tyresse, Tyrese Shaye, that's.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
How that the game was disgusting. It was nasty bump.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
The only people making plays were the guys that you expected,
who you're paying to make plays.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And they triggered though.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
But he but he have he was just shripping the
ball so well.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He was making he was going on like that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
See but that's that's that's the issue right now, that's
not an issue.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I get what you're saying. But Shae was aggressive.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
No, I know he was gonna and he made plays
like to see for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And that's how Tyree was appro He was like, bro,
if I'm gonna be out here, fuck it, like, I
gotta go, don't. I have nothing to say. I have
nothing to save at that point, so you gotta go.
They both was going at it. I love how Shade,
like Shae might have took up bigger step in that
one game last night than he did all year.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You're the biggest game.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You get twelve dimes? When the fuck have we ever
seen Shakee get ten dimes?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
He don't do that. Ship, He don't do that. Bro.
He went into that game and said, whatever it fucking takes,
I'm gonna do it. Yeah, to win.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And that's why you have to sit this look at this. Yeah,
you have to sit here and look at this situation.
But like, look, bro, as hard as as is to say, oh,
but Tyree's got hurt. He was cooking blah blah blah. Okay,
See deserved his win. They deserve to win the championship
the way Shaye went out. I give ultimate respect to
him just because I give more credit that he did
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everything to get twelve domes in the game. Seven for
a guy like him is elite to me.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
He's definitely an elite player. He definitely one of those
guys that you got to say, he's a do you
know they? I think I don't know who made the comment.
I think it was Magic Johnson, Right, it's tears to
be in a superstar. Yeah, you know who sell out?
Arenas SGA will be a guy that was Yeah, Arenas.
He's a guy that you know, wherever city he's playing
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and people want to go come to watch him play,
to watch the Thunder play, you know, period. Because they
so together that it's amazing. You think a college team,
just how they are, how cool they are, how close
they are, how together they are. It's just it's just
amazing to see. And it's good to see that in
NBA basketball that you can now put teams together. It
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don't have to be a whole bunch of superstars. You
could put a legit basketball team together of guys who
really genuinely, you know, ride with each other and care
for each other's individual success and all for the betterment
of the team's success.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So when you see that, man, I just listen.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I love it. I love it, And I ain't just
saying that because you know I'm a thunder guy. You
know I played it, I played in OKAC and I
was rooting for those guys. It's just what you see
anybody who watches this team play. Those guys are together
more than any team in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
For real?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is he the face of the league after this? Like honestly,
like I don't want to get into huge debate. You know,
he's Canadian. You guys say, can be a Canadian player.
But if he keeps doing this and if he does
a nice year, I mean, he.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Can never be the face until Lebron retire. You know,
let's let's let that be understood. But if Lebron retires today,
who can you say is the face in the NBA?
It has to be either him, Jannie or your Kischen.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Be Rich. It's not gonna be Why not because he
don't give.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
A I understand what I know you don't. But I
understanding though, just talk about just just like just I'm
talking about basketball like period, Like he's he's in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Player in the world.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
So that's what I'm saying. So, but this guy here.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Is gonna be sy because he can.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
He can be a commercial, should be a face. He
can like you know, he's more. He's like you, like
you said, don't care. He's a guy that will care,
like for that stuff commercials and being characteristic like.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I mean, I want.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
So Here's here's the thing though, right, Gianni's shoes on
clearance Nike clearance factory.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's just right, be.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Honest with you. I seen a bunch of them. So
here's the second thing.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Guy, he has a shoe.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
That I saw there? Does he have a signature? Show
he do? Who's with nikey? No, come on, bro, you
talk about basic league niggas know what. I thought it
was some off brand. No, he's a Nike. No, Bro,
he's with some off brand called three sixty one Sports.
I think when he won a championship, he was with
Nike though Broye. But now they get a Nike when
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when they want a championship a Nike. Yeah no, I
know that, but he got he got his own shoe. Now,
maybe I was saying, but like when he won championship,
they had a joker Nike as No, I know that,
but I'm saying he didn't have a signature. Oh I
thought he he didn't have a signature shoe yet. So
that's my whole point, Like he got a signature now,
but like, do you even know what the signature shoe
looks like?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Could it really be Yoki? Guys?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I said it wasn't gonna be.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No, I know you didn't, but I don't know. I
don't know if feels m I A right now? But
can it really be yokid? You don't know if he
hasn't you don't even know what signature shoe looks like?
Like you can't do the fat to be fair about
a't gotta win one because he don't want to make
sense to be I agree with you, but I'm saying
the thing is, if you're a Canadian, is so stripped
this ship. I'm just telling you because like his ship
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booty to me, I don't like his shoes.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
You don't like the Conference?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I don't really like them either. But you know what
the thing is, though he's really a Nike athlete, that's
because Conference owns Nike. Like, let's just keep it. I mean,
it's cool but like face the league, you gotta have
like some nice shoes, you gotta be I don't think
with his shoes, I think luting with the league. I
think we diluted. No, no, I'm saying I don't think
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your shoes looks nice now because they haven't looked nice since.
Like Jordan's bro, I don't really think basketball shoes look
really that nice anymore. The Miami the Minami Vice Brons
were insane. Do you think you can do you think
Kyrie's well years ago? Niggas holl and them niggas still
the face of the league, saying y'all really still y'all
think those shoes are back. I don't think there. I
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don't think they look any better than the converce, is
my point. I'm going ahead about.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
The new shoes.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
K guys, K guys, They're just not there's a run.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
That Paul George was running shoes.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I'm really that nice and shoes. None of you
guys are rocking shoes like you're rocking J's bro. That's
my point, Like none of them can be worn on,
but nobody rocks like that. Some kids kid basketball shoes.
But that's my point. Though I was I don't even
know that in general, that's my whole kids They do that,
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kids do that I was and I was a kid,
I rock basket shoes just a chilling. That's what niggas
do with their kids. We're adults now. What I'm saying, no,
but that's what I'm saying. But I'm saying I don't
think basketball shoes today look good like that was just
like for sure, kids just.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Rocking because for sure Kobe, for sure Kobe's.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Niggas just rock Kobe's just because like.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That might be a thing.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Might be because I'm like niggas, that might be American kids.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
American kids bro like they go to school like I
was wearing starberries at school.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I was always wearing like forces. My my nephews and
ship they just be wearing like I had, no I
think only rain nos. I have the pumps. You have
the pumps I had. Then those ones are tough that
I had, the ninety the ninety five.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Dishes checking them coming back out with him too. Those
let you get.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Over Hey, ray shame, shame.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Might not have a choice what to be the face.
Yeah you might not have a choice. That give him
some better shoes.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But yeah, that's part of it. But I don't know
a we acting like it's not. But this is first one.
This is one.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
So you know a lot of people have some ass
for shoes and then it got better as they designsn't
even by his new shoes are starting. Yeah, the first one, right,
you the.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Best first shoot Lebron's Lebron. No, I like Lebron second shoes,
the best first shoes of Michael Jordan's. Lebron's second shoes
are tough.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, it was one pair of here, so many shoes
was nice, bro Lebron Lebron like some crazy Lebron like
eight through like twelve.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
These joints, you guys know, these joints were tough. I rock,
like I said, Lebron like eight through twelve or some
of the best shoes ever. Bro.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Bro, I think I think might be might be knocking
at that door. He gotta be unto and win one, Bro,
because I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it up
up because.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Not far from being American. Yeah, like he is, he is.
He is black.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
We talked about we're talking about it's not like he's
we're talking about. He had icon though, camp like you
gotta think about this. As far as like kids, there's
only one person. There's no other person people mentioned. Yeah,
there's no other person they mentioned. As far as fashion
other than Sha everyone, I think fashion probably I think
he was fashion.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Say, like you know, I feel it only niggas I
know who that fashion week was him and Russ Yeah,
a lot of guys trip J gos. I mean like walking, No,
who's who's in trip J have done it? Who's and
trip J have done it? So really go down there?
But really walking walk down the aisle star the Niggs
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cary about, don't give the trip trip J has done it.
Trip J's model, I believe starts. The niggas carry about
trip J is a star, not he's on a superstar.
But he's just starting to hear about. That's fair, But
trip J is a starting big We ain't gonna say
he's not a star. But like I said, any of
the day, Lebron is the face until he retires. So
let's get into it. Historic season for though, right, three
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m vps the first one ever do it. Obviously the
m v P thing really only started about three years ago,
so we can't act like Michael them wouldn't have done it,
but first one ever to do put three m v
p s in the row. It's the first one since Shack,
I believe, since two thousand, two thousand. No, Kobe did
it too. Kobe did in twenty ten. Yeah, no, he
didn't win VP though, No, actually ep right right, right right,
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So scoring Champ Lebron didn't win the scoring Champ. That
was the thing that that was Shack. Shack was the
last one to do it in two thousands before.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Scoring Champ and all three MVPs.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No two because there wasn't three vps it before him. Okay,
So it's it's a it's a superhistoric year when you
think about Shaye. So we have these stats if Kurt
wants to pull up the image on kind of where
does Shay sit beyond in terms of historic years? So
like the finals difference, there's people with better years. But
ninety two m j he won everything and he won
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the Olympics. Twenty twelve Brown he won the Olympics. So
is that's why I say had the best season? So like,
where do you rank Shane in terms of when you
think about it, all best seasons all time?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Jordan? And that's coming from me.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Because there's two thousand Shack, ninety two MJ and twenty
twelve Bron. Those are probably the three best seasons of
all time because ninety two MJ won everything and his
first team first team defense the record. Yeah, I think
he was like sixty plus wins. But he also won
Olympic gold that year too, so that's probably the best
year ever. Shack declined to play in the Olympics that year,
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and then twenty twelve Bron won everything except Defensive Player
of the Year and he had Olympics two was the
final list.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Twenty twelve he was a finalist. Oh yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, yeah, he's still a final.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So which one you who do you rank is the
best year ever? Is it twenty twelve Bron or ninety
two MJ or two thousand Shack's last chase last? For sure,
But I mean he's not on this list, But but putting
him in historical context, this is an all time great year.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Man saying for a kid that's twenty six, that's what
we're not talking about. He's twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
He's twenty six.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Like that's that's that's not that's not forget that part
we talking about him with all the greats, and he
is twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I think Lebron was twenty six years two. Though, yeah,
a lot of basketball to play. Bro Lebron was twenty
six that years. You know what I'm saying, got a
lot of better. And that's why Lebron is the face
of the No you go too far to go for
say this Jordan.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Jordan was thirty.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
No, Lebron was twenty eight that year was forty.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
He didn't play.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Hey, so so let me ask you this, Let me
ask you this for me. For me, it's a two
man race. J t getting hurt hurts him a little
bit because now you got to see what he comes
back and looked like, even though we all know he's
gonna come back and be Jason Tatum. I think it's
between those two. I think it's the first one or two.
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If it's first one or two, then it's easily share.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
No, because if gets gets one, then I think it's
like it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's why I said.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
That's why I said first one or two, because listen, bro,
we got to get one. This is my thing. This
is my thing. Though we got it, we got a year,
we gotta.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Go ahead, we got it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Oh, yeah, we are talking about that.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
But I do want to like, what do we say
that's go ahead, go ahead and finish off point.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I do want to say this about Jason Tatum. Now
he's had a historical year, but like, Jason Tatum has
done a whole lot of ship in the NBA, like
a whole lot, I mean, first teams this man.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's because we've normalized it because he was he was
dunking on the brown in the East Conference finals at nineteen.
Why he's why, Bro, Like we're normalizing his greatness. Think
about it. Jason Tatum was has been an elite player
since his second year in the league.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Bro, why don't we get so bored?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
He don't have no illegitimate kids, no baby Mama's like
that's that's really what it is. Bro.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
He's too perfect. We don't like two perfect people people
can relate. Broun not perfect perfect, ain't got no outside
bron was homeless.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
By what are we talking about? He won't.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Want what's your point? Right now? J has a single
j T has a single mom. J don't know that
has two different baby. You have a film called More
Than a Game that came out when he was in
his third year in the league, though, Brin had a
doctum that came out three Yes truly.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Was it more than the game?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, track with Eminem, Lil Wayne and Drake. Listen that song.
That song was a remix though forever and that's cool.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Who's your face of the league?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Who's my face of the league?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
That's mean? Still brin.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
The next phase? The next phase, I mean, realistically, bro
it it should the league wants it to be Wimby.
We we don't talk about that. They wanted to be Wimby.
It's not going to be Wimby though. Yeah, it should be.
It should be s g A. It should be a
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definitively it should be a Shia. But if somehow even
just gets to the finals of the probably who you
got today?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Who I got today? I just said I got today?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
No, yeah Bron?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
No, No, without Bron, without as I.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Said, that's sweetest today though, No, No, who do you
have Bron out?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
If Bron say, if Bron comes out and say I retired.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Who do you have as the face of the league.
And I don't think about Honestly, guys, this is an
unpopular opinion, but it should be Luca. He's in law.
It should be should be Luca. Let's just be honest.
The way he plays, He's like Bun for sure. But
if you want a championship, would you not say it's
Luca regards if he's American? Saylay Americans were talking about
he loves drinking beer. What is not more American than
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drinking would I would say that Luca is prime to
be the face of league if they win a chip.
It couldn't be Luca. It would be the first time
he plays broa would be the first time ever being
an international player. But what I'm saying, he plays for Lakers.
Like it should it should it should be one of
these foreign people, like it should be it should be
him and Wimby Yo Ray who is the face of
the league. When m J retired it's two years Kobe
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wasn't in the league yet, was he maybe ninety four?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, I'm talking about when Mike retired for his little
stint when he played baseball. Oh, it was like Penny,
I don't know, was a penny. That's when I was
That's when I was picking Penny. I guess Penny and
shocking it wasn't a Keem right, No, it was a key,
but I don't think it was a only he had
the faceause it could have been Grant best playing grand
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Penny or Shock. The best player was a key, grand
Penny or Shack. That were probably the face who it
was a key. Back and back the two years that
I said, yeah, it was the year, the year the
year had.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
As well Keeing did.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Then it was a king.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
He went and he won dpot too. For those two
years it was the king. Yeah, all right, it was
the dream.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
So let's get back on topic historical years. Where do
you rank sha He's at the bottom of those four
Those are things that come to mind. M v P finals, MVP.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Bottom, I mean, nobody, nobody with that. Shack was the
two thousand.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Hold on?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Did you see the point differential in the final? Twenty
two points?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Did you see?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's what I'm saying to the image, but forty But
the Shock didn't win the Olympic gold MJ and MJ
and Brown? Did that matters? I feel you? But no, no, no, no,
he was in the finals carrying a team like that.
But that's insane.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
No, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But I'm saying, let's put the whole year together, right,
Shack was an All defensive team. I don't think that year.
I can double check. He was deepoy DePoy. He was DePoy.
Shock was deepot than it. I think it goes to shock.
It's easily shocked. Was that his DePoy year?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yes, two thousand, he was the best player on earth?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
He got de point And what are they talking about?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
D Wade?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Up there?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's point differential?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
THEO when they came back, when they came back on Dallas.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's funny that Shack is involved in the No, he
wasn't the DPOY then, he wasn't the DPOY. What was
his depot year?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Then?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
He was second team defense that year? What was his
depot you?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Then?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
We're talking about five know performances. D Wade put on
one of the most epic final performances.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
He is in top three.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh, because I got us all over the I have
I have a I just wanted to show how dominant
some people's finals years have been and all that stuff.
The point of it is, where does this rank in
terms of the all time greatest years for any individual?
In terms of accolades winning individual?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Like all that together, I mean you got to put
everything into into the into the spectrum. Yeah, like this
man gonna get first team. You're gonna your first team,
all the NBA got, MVP, got scoring champ, you got
all three m vps. Like, he's twenty six years old,
first championship ever in Oklahoma City, thunder history, Like you
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got to put all of that into the conversation. Now,
can I rank it over all these other greats? I
can't say that, but you it got to be discussed
about in a very high and a high light because
of everything that comes with it.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
He's twenty six, I give him like top eight is
he's I think he's top accolades. Hes gotta be top five.
He can't pass Michael or or bron or Shock just
because they had all defensive teams that year two and
or Elijah won immediately. I mean, if he don't get
like her, no, he's for sure Hall of Fame after this.
He has to be m v P and the championship
(36:18):
and scoring titles. He's MVP. He has to be in
the Hall of Fame immediately. If he don't get hurt yet, No,
even if he doesn't, he's played five years. Why is
his no she's been seven years seven Damn, he's all
even if even if he started with nineteen, he's set
in twenty twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Crazy, that's why he's played seven years, bro, and he's
only twenty six.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
He's he's about to he's about to come up on
the second extension. Shows you how long it's been in
the league.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
But but even okay, seven years, twenty six this is
But let's put it in perspective though, even if he
doesn't win, if he doesn't play another game, why is
his career not greater than Tracy mcgrady's. Well, you know,
if you could put him in a hall of Tracey
mcgrady's Hall of fame, you have to play more. But
Tracey mcgrady's is a hall of fame. You have to
play mo But he's got more accolades than Tracy, and
he has he has an m v P title.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I don't think. I don't think your your it's not football,
you go, yeah, basketball is the The hall of Fame
is not based on your accolades, because there's.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
A lot of dudes that got Brandon Roy should be in.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Is Robert Horry and is Robert I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
I think rober got like Ale. I'm talking about like accolades.
Accolades don't matter. It's about what you your body of
work that you do in his league. So you know,
he's still got a lot more to do. He's done
a lot at a very early age. In seven years
he had, don't get me wrong, but you got to
think about it. We really only been talking about for
like the last three years.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
But his resume is a hall of fame resume. If
you stopped it today, your resume, your that's you. That's
not the is gonna look at.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
But that's what you got to say.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
He played three more years, he's a hall of fame bro,
he's like ten years. If you have an m v P,
you should automatically be in that in the hall of fame.
There we're gonna argue Derek ro should be the fame
for sure.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
But it hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
It's crazy and it's not just it hasn't happened. Derek
gros not tell you that being legit, Like he's got
three All stars. If if you make, if you're an
m v P, you're gonna be in the Hall of fame.
He's gonna be like the first probably be like a
third or fourth ballot. He's not gonna be first ballot.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
But it doesn't matter. If Vince Carter was never v P.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
He should still being because of his longevity.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
But he is in the Hall of Fame. But he's
never he was never v P.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Though chat ne v P.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
He was never like but he was never like topic player.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yes he was the league. He was top three in
the league at one point year Vince year. It wasn't
two thousand one he was the most explosive two thousand
one wasn't it probably shock Kobe than him, he was
the most probably five. Here's you got all these right there.
It's like there was never there was never Tim Duncan.
(39:11):
You're not he had he was with them in those
raptors when he was when he made the East.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I'm listening, I'm not. You know, Vince is my god,
that's big bro. But I'm just saying, though you're talking
about like he was one of them most he was
the most exciting player to watch back then, not to
say he was one of the top.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Players, like you know, nobody, nobody, Nobody's going to vote
that he averaged twenty eight, six and four and that
two steals in one block. That's five player in the
LEA said top five. I said he was No, you're right,
You're right, I said top three. No, but top five
for sure. He's top five in.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah. And then I want you to go back and
look at the All Star Game that year. All right,
let me go look at it, but anyway, and I.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Want you to name. I want you to see that
list and then come back and say that. I'm just saying,
look at that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No, you're right, I know the list. There's KG, there's
a II, there's Tim, there's Kobe, Thu Shack. But he's
right there with all this day five people think he
was better than him either. He might have been that
one year though, That's what I'm saying. His numbers and stuff.
He went to the Eastern Conference finals that year. He
might have been better that one year.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Listen, Vince was a hell of a player.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I'm not taking none of that from it. Like Vince,
Like I said, that's big Bro.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Thirty points that year, and that's what I'm saying. But
it's my thing, right who also one of the most
insiding players for me to ever watch. I wouldn't consider
him ever being in the top three player in the league.
Even it's kyrieving and he's like my favorite player, but
it's being legit like he's true. He's never been like
the best player in the league.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I mean, let me put it this way. Let me
put it.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
If you look at it, if you look at it
with like this, SGA has.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Done pretty much everything this year.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's about it, right, Yeah, he's done everything other than
play playing elite defense.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I don't he's gotten all this accolade, he's he's gotten
all his accolades and all that ship this year, and
you give credit what credit is due. He fucking dominated
the year. It's was really fucking good. He was really
fucking good. But let's say a motherfucker comes from overseas,
has one good year, motherfuckering up winning m v P
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uh the championship and the finals m v P.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Is he a Hall of Famer because he came here
one year?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
By your description, he will be y'all disrespectful because he
has three first teams, three All Stars, he's a scoring champ.
We were not acting like this is only one good year,
but that's but still just three.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Three first.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Since he hit Okay, see, he's he has taken taken his.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Guys three as soon as hard in here Houston, he
became like I get when you guys need to do
that for.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Three NBA all first teams and one m v P.
M was a Hall of Famer in the.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
He's in the Hall of Fame, I think, so.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
There, right, But what I'm saying to you, Taylor, but
Taylor's been Tatum don't have an MVP. Taylor's been better.
He is, but he's been better long so you think
and tatums the whole famer today he is. But what
I'm saying, but he's in it for like seven years.
But Tatum's draft twenty sixteen, so he's done it for more.
That's But what I'm saying to you is that if
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you have an m v P, that means you were
the best player theoretically in the in the league for
at least one year. That's Hall of Fame. I don't
give it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
I'm gonna give it a buck now. I'm kind of
with home.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
If you win a v P, you famous because you
were the best player in the league, because at least
for one.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Bigger You're better than Brian, You're better than Step, better
than KD, better than you. As far as what the
argument is, our argument, that is debatable. I thought you
I thought was the MVP. He's If I'm going to
go out there and put it on a limb, he
won it and my in my opinion, he is a
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Hall of Famer. He's done enough. Nigga, I didn't know
he had three first teams. You got three first team.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. His resume is ready, speaks
enough for it. That's all I'm saying. You're right, Cam,
he does have to do more. I will the three
first team I know. I thought he might have three
NBA selections.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I know he had three.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
He's been three back to back twenty twenty three. It's
like in baseball, if you win three back to man. Yeah,
in baseball, if you win three straight Silver Sluggers or
three Gold Gloves, you're probably gonna be We ain't talk
about all stirs when you're voting.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Huh, three years in a row. Yeah, looking seems like
he's been three first teams.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, twenty three.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
He was cooking bro last year. I know he was,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I know that but like last year, I don't know
about year before. Remember the year.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Before is when he took the team to the playing
and there and he was carrying them. But that got
you three guy, my first team he was that year.
I'll give you guys the stats, but remember who was
check that check three first teams is average thirty one
five and six three two years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yes, I can tell you he's been cooking.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
He's been averaging. Wait, wait.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
And I get that the NB three years ago, yeah,
it should have it should have.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Been he was thirty one, him and Luca, it should
have been looking Luca's first team that it should have
been Luca and him were the first team that year.
It should have been Luca Lucas got should have even
be by now bro. But anyway, that forty yalls, he's
been cooking. He's age thirty two. He's average thirty three
years in a row. Didn't you guys gonna tell me
that's not Hall of Fame stats?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Thirty three?
Speaker 2 (44:32):
That's all saying right now, That's what I said. Once
you said the first teams, I agree with you. I
didn't know he was three for I thought he might
have just three, like maybe a third team or second team.
Even if you if you have three all NBA teams,
you should be a Hall of Famer. Debatable, debatable, but
that's what I believe you could be. You should be
on a ballot. Yet you should be on the ballot.
You should be able to at least you shouldn't be
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on the.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
On the ballot, but you have three first teams.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I never said he wasn't a Hall of Famer. I
was just making a point that I just say, Yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Accolades don't matter in some situations because some guys don't
have the accolades that he have.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
If he's you're right, But the fact that he has
the accolades is what propels him, is what I'm saying.
My part was average three more years, he would be
in all That's my point.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Hey, these are two different players, and Shade for sure
is on a different level.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Well who's the name Pascal? If he won last night
and got finals MVP, is he a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Uh? If he continues another three years. Putting up to stats,
I agree, he probably hall of famer. You need to
bring what you said, You bring two NBA finals the
teams that never had them before. But he doesn't have
a Finals MVP. He don't have the individual accolades like
these you would have had. That's what I'm saying. But
this past, how many first teams does Pascal have. I'm
(45:51):
not debating my own point. The I'm saying the accolades
is what adds to it with the team success. Pascal
is at the team success.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
And is Dramon and Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Hell yeah, Dremon's a Hall of Famer Defensive Player of
the Year.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
All right, But I know that, But Pascal hasn't done
what he what he's done, you can't put everybody.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Know, But that's what I'm saying to you. I would
ne see another I would need to see another three
to five years of really elite level basketball past.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I don't care about that. You can't put everybody.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
And he got the Hall of Fame. No, no, Pascal,
you got to talk about he got one second team,
one third team, and three All Star selections.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
You he's be on a ballot.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
You gotta talk. You got to talk about it, at
least the second favorite years he has. You got to
talk about twenty six one. Sorry, you got to talk
about it in Toronto. Yes, yeah, you gotta talk about
the year after they won a championship twenty Yeah, he
was really, really good.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Yeah, he was the man.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
You got to talk about it. At least that's what
that's what he was.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
He was a surefire.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
But I'm not here. I'm not here saying he's guaranteed
Hall of Fame. I'm saying, you got to talk about it,
but I gotta se a little bit more from past.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Who's not Hall of famers.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
It's famous. I think if you have all NBA teams,
you're on in the conversation, that's all I'm saying. So
if he has a couple more than he plays out couple,
if he plays five more years averaging twenty and ten,
and you guys are not going to say that's our
twenty a night twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
You're not gonna say if he don't win it, if
he don't win a championship.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Quiz Webber Chris Webers in the Hall of Fame, it
took him like eight tries, exactly so.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
But Pascal.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
But my point is that Pascal past it's similar.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I don't think he's won his one championship. That's the
only thing he's done better. That's only that's a that's
a big But that's a big I understand that.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Chris Chris got total six All NBA selections, one first team,
three second teams, and one third team.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
So if he plays and.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
More and more All Star selection.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
He's got two more All Star sections.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
But this is but the championship adds is what I'm
saying is the gap. What I'm saying is he still
took him how many tries? But I don't think I
said he used to be on a bat that.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
I wouldn't say that he won't be. I don't know
if he's gonna get in there.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
That's what I was saying. He ain't gonna be first
team though, like first even now his first balance, there's
no way. But anyways, let's let's continue on. Does this
Does this ignite the dynasty of OKC? What did you
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think of my Bargnanni take? Obviously it's crazy? Did you
not see my take in the chat?
Speaker 1 (48:58):
All right?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, hold you put him in the same I said.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
I didn't didn't say if someone has to go at
some point with the next year or so, I didn't
say who who would go?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Jay does not going?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
You like cruise go.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Check the one on like check what does check do
very well for you guys.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
I'm gonna be honest, Bron, It's gonna be hard. I'm
not I don't know if we go, we'll see many
dynasties anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Bro. I mean they have at least another three years together.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Bro, you needna have that can have a team together.
All the one teams are too good, Bro, Yeah, teams
are too good, and.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Niggas come injuries, injuries all people like, you're gonna be healthy?
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Come on, Bra, Like it's just like, it's just like Boston.
Like that. You made a face what I said, do
you like?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
No? No, No, I was just thinking something else. I
do like that though. I think Dallas will be contenter
next year if Boston.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Bro, if Boston didn't have all those injuries this year,
I think we're all. They don't tell me that, Bro.
They were down then one.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Bro, Bro, this is what we're saying.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
When Tatum got hurt, they were down thirteen with two
minutes left. They were going to lose that Drew Drew,
but they wanted they have momentum, Like they have momentum
going their way. When it happened, Drew Holliday wasn't right.
The whole playoffs.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
You're right, he was not the same player of the
year before, not at all, but that ol Horford wasn't
the same He got a year older.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Jaylen Brown was hurt, but.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
That everybody, that's my that's my point though. That's why
I think the dynasty ship is over. I think it's
so little room for error. Let's just say, let's say,
okay See, doesn't fuck around Crusoe. Something happened. They're not
the same team, and I feel I feel.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
They just aren't overly dominant the whole the hold the
hold of the hold of the let's not act like, okay,
so he's a normal team. They got fourteen picks in
the next five years first round pace.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
They have got keeping a full Aaron Gordon wasn't hurt?
Were we even picking? Okay see?
Speaker 2 (51:03):
And if Chris, if Chris Paul isn't hurt, did the
Warriors win their back to back championship? Like those are IFFs, bro,
I'm gonna keep it a full buck, right, what's keeping
okay see from still not getting honest? Yeah, Like, like,
let's let's feel right, let's stay on that topic. They
have fourteen picks year, they got the first round picks
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next year exactly, they can make a move for another star.
Like you said, they have Aaron Wiggins waiting to play.
They have all these guys that are waiting to play,
like it really is next man up for them, Like
you guys have both said it, like they have such
a rich of assets and even guys that can play
that don't play often, so why can't they? They can
actually legit build an actual super team and it actually
work if they wanted.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
The only thing, the only thing I said about that,
it is everybody else getting better too. That's the thing
about this.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
And they can keep washing their hands. They have so
many that's cool. But okay, C was only this much
better than Denver, I agree with.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
I mean, I didn't have the niggas winning. So they listen.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
They beat the ship out of They beat the ship
out of memph They beat the ship out of Memphis,
but Memphis had them in a backwood.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I know we're about to talk about this, saidhis Kevin
just went to Houston. Did you say Memphis in the backwood?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
They were beating the ship out of him in game three?
Speaker 2 (52:19):
They talking about Game three? Yeah, he's right.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Job in a series and in a game four.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
I'm just saying, when you go but haven't talked about
this though, women crazy beating about thirty.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, that's a backward. I thought you meant for the series. Nigga, Swell,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
So, but this is what I'm saying, though, camp the
transition when you play at home those first two games
and you go back home as a whole new series.
They go to one back in Memphis, they had Game four,
they just didn't have that guy again, so then they
ended up losing. But my thing is, I think the
league is such in a great place because you never
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know who's gonna win. Who the fuck predicted? Okay, people
put get it predicted? Okay, see and nobody predict Indiana.
You know what I'm saying, Like, I think the league
is in such good places. We got so many good
fucking players, and now people understand you got to have
a team. I ultimately think we about to go away
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from this young buckshit that people started to do. Like
you gotta see a lot of teams have a lot
of young guys. Uh, you're gonna have to pay to
start getting you some vets now, because you need a bench.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
You need some guys to know what they're doing when
they get in there, or you can trust.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
So I can definitely see this going back to where
it was before, where you got a lot more veterans
and guys that you know you can count on that
can go winning your game.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
TJ. McConnell, How long this motherfucker be in the league?
Ten years?
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Remember McConnell was part of the process.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, come on, bro TJ. McConnell has been in the
league for years. You got James Johnson over there, you
got uh, you got Obi Topping. This has been his
fourth fifth year. You know what I'm saying. Mathter young vts,
You got vets. All these teams that are successful, got vets.
Think about the teams that's won over the last few years.
Think about Boston who they had over there. Al Hope Crusoe,
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he's won, He's been in lead for a while. He's
the oldest guy over there.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
That's crazy. Cruso is like thirty something. Yeah, I think
I think he was. He's been in the league for well,
he was in he started off in I think it's
a seven or eight years. This is a seventh very
he's still have been in league for like eight years
and he started off in OKAC I believe as well, Bro,
Like that's a full circle moment you started off with.
Speaker 4 (54:34):
That's what I'm saying, Bro. But that's the thing, Like
you got to think about it. These teams, like he said,
James Johnson over there in Indiana VT been lead for
a while somebody. And you look at him, if you
look at the game, he's always standing up. He's always
in their ear. He's always talking to Halliburt and he's
talking to those guys. That's a vet.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
You need that.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
These young guys need that Crusoe. They listened to Cruiseo.
He's won a championship, he's been there before. You know,
he's been in the league for a while. He's been
through adversity in the league. They listen to him. The
young guys listen to him. You need that. You need
it on your team, Bro.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Boston won Game six because of who won Game six
in Indiana? Fucking Thomas Bryant. Motherfuckers hitting dumb threes? How
long timas Brian been in the league.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
For a while?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Guy, for a minute, you know what I'm saying, Like
two of them don't didn't get one with the Lakers too.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I know you got one with Diver Lakers, and yeah,
I would say, I mean, yeah, Thomas Bryant was drafting
twenty seventeen. I mean, you hear the stories, right, I mean,
you know Fiel mentioned al Horford, but let's be real,
Jason and jail And have been through so many battles they.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Have, But you gotta think about al Horford though, that
there's still that leader, that that voice. Yeah, because you know,
even with them being through some stuff, they still got
all that pressures of every night. Those guys gotta go
out there and play and perform at a certain level
every night. So you need somebody to talk to you
through those things. Need somebody that you listen to, that
you trust. I'm telling you, Bro that.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
And that's and that's that's the perspective.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
That's the perspective though, because Ray can be a perfect
example of when he's playing with Melo, Melo is counting
on Ray because sometimes he gonna look at Ray. I
need you to carry me a little bit, you know
what I'm saying. Like you got when you're the star
and Ray you probably can talk about because you played
a lot of stars, like even with Luca, one of
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his very best friends, a guy that he knows always
had his back, Dorian Phinnish Smith. He wants Dorian Phinish
Smith and he will rib with that dude any day
of the week because you need a soldier like that
that's gonna have your back.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
You got the way of the world on Melo and Luka,
Doncicz and Lebron James and Shade.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
You gotta have those guys who don't give a fuck
and who their sole job to make your job ten
times easier.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
And that's our Horford. You know what I'm saying. That's
our Horford, That's Ray, that's.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Let me go championship teams for you. So Al and
Boston before that was Denver. We have DeAndre Jordan, Jeff
Green right?
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (57:05):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Jeff? And that was Jeff Green DJ yep right.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
And then and then the Golden Stage why DJ is
still there? And Golden State was and and when you
saw him talking to Wiggins in that championship, remember that
one moment and.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
That motherfucker didn't play that Nigga was coaching.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
And Milwaukee Bucks, let's keep it a stack. PJ. Tucker.
He was a big piece of that winning team. They
don't win it without him, there's a there's a lot
of vets.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Man, it means And I think how many times about that? Right?
Speaker 4 (57:34):
I tell people all the time, bro, think about this
Phoenix son ain't been the same since this one trade.
And I'm gonna tell your name, Jay Crowding.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (57:47):
Think about what Jay Crowded did for them when they
when they when they was hot, when they was just
like God Phoenix winning seventy games.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
Crowd is a dog.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Jay Crowder was avent a dog who did all the junk.
He was the tough guy. He was that guy that
held all of them accountable. Who get in their face.
You need that when you got young guys who are
upcoming stars and they feeling himself, you need somebody to
put it, push it in perspective for him that they respect.
They don't want to hear from a coach.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
That is what it is.
Speaker 4 (58:13):
These guys got egos. Now they get they getting paid
three hundred million dollars that coach man. Shut up. I'm
trying to ship you talking about but if you yeah,
but you for.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
That, nigga hm.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
And the crazy thing is give you another example, right,
I'm gonna give you another example, right, Dylan Bruks leaving
Memphis hurt Memphis more than anybody.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
No, no, no, no, I'm with so much with Memphis
so much.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Draymond said it right, The dynasty starts after you leave.
You guys, remember that, Mephis I know.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
The terrible that that statement became wrong. Dylan Brooks, they need.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
Like I think Dylan Bros. That guy, I think he
could too much. Honestly, Josh, he took us a way
off of them mother fuckers. I think it's a little
bit of both, all of them. Togas do too much
of the men. All right, Hey, lit'sten Help Houston, Help Houston,
all right. So Alex Krusoll, Kurt, you want to play
a player.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
A real one.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
I don't know if you can say anything, he said, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (59:18):
I think just because of the way the team is
constructed now versus the team I had in twenty twenty,
Like it was much harder with this team just because
of the experience, right, and everybody talked about you need
experience to win a championship, and you need.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
This, that and the other.
Speaker 6 (59:33):
And I said multiple times through the postseason with this
team that the good basketball is good basketball winning basketball
is winning basketball, and the best team can win no
matter what happens if you go out there and execute
and do the stuff.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
That you need to do to win the game.
Speaker 6 (59:49):
And I think through the playoffs this team grew up
and learned on the fly.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
No, I just think that's valid to what you guys
are saying. Yeah, like experience makes a big difference. It's
just valid validated.
Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
He does think about okayc has been the best team
all year, but the experience of Denver would have probably
beat them if they would have been healthy, if they
would have been healthy, if if An Gordon don't go out,
that experience was was too much for Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Michael Porter, there's too much for them.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
I'm just saying, that's just how it goes. Bro It's tough,
So it's tough.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Y'all think y'all think they got their break like going
the State did in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I think.
Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Period, it's things happen, Ships, things happen.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
You gotta get lucky.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Sometimes, But that's what I'm saying. But they super lucky.
The niggas got super lucky, right, lucky kat to.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Be right, what game?
Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
What game in the tournament they did bro, what are
you talking about? They got they got lucky with Kyrie lucky.
That's just one other player wasn't healthy. The biggast heard
the niggas got smacked. James Hamstring was not even there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
If just one other player was one hundred percent with
KD they getting smacked. Just want to championship? Ever run
that one? So were the Raptors lucky?
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Hell yeah, yes the fuck and wasn't like the Warriors,
but yeah they were as long as Kirk can hear that?
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
That your team your.
Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Championship the way my Mavericks, Yeah, we backed everything the
championship year on the way to the Natty? What game
were you not supposed to win? Everyone has a game
you're not supposed to win.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I know this one is Villanova. I heard the story
Villanova Lucky. Which one was yours?
Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
I found out I found out.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
That game ours was Arkansas. Were not supposed to win
that motherfucker. But at the end of the day, along
that journey, things happened. You you look at each other
like we got out of that one. We got I
don't know how he did.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
It, but let's keep it moving. So anything y'all want
to say on I know we talked about Tyree's achilles.
That's our last topic on the finals and kind of
the Okay, see pacers, you guys got last words are.
Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Yeah, man, Tyres Haliburton, Listen, he was a warrior. I'm
a fan like I love you as a player, just
me being a point guard. Just the way you run
your team, how important you are to your team as
we can see and everybody can see, you're a closer.
You're a warrior. All respect for me, Bro, I wish
you no but the best. I hope you get better,
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you know, I hope you come back even better because
you know, the league, the league needs guys like him,
you know, these guys like that, just warrior, just can
play the place, the game the right way, you know,
knows how to win. And he's a winner. I don't
care what nobody say. Tyreus Halliburton is a winner. He
went over there and changed Indiana's you know, organization back
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to the level how they used to be with Regie
Miller and was there and you know Jermaine O'Neill and
those guys when they played when they was really good.
And he's came over there helped to do that. So
I think Anianna will struggle this year without him. I
will say that they will be a playoff team, but
they will struggle because what he does for them. You know,
it's kind of something you can't You can't go out
and go get That's just what it is. But shout
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out to him.
Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Hey, for real, Yeah, we in the media space, so
we have back and for a superstar, not superstar blah
blah blah. Listen, you are one hell of a basketball player.
You have been very entertaining to watch this whole playoffs.
Shout out to Tyres Halliburn. That's what I'm talking about
for anybody who just joined. But he is a true
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definition of a great and like I said, it sounds repetitive,
he's a great basketball player. And the reason I say
it like that is he doesn't force anything. He takes
what the defense gives us, regardless if he had zero points,
ten points, thirty points. He's playing the right way. I
respect that because that's how I learned how to play
the game. And now I think that's how you have
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the most fun and that's the most team success. And
that's why your team got there in Game seven, because
you was on that team and you did everything, and
you gave everybody. Everyone knew the risk and everybody to
make that decision was you. You knew what it was
gonna come down to. Very unfortunate this happened, and like
I said, there's no other way you really want to
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go out You went out there and you gave it
everything you got. So I give you much much respect
for I have a loan. You can decide to play like.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
You can.
Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
You can't do nothing but tip your cap because that
is legitimately putting your body on the line.
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
There's no there's no question. They told listen, bro, it's
the same ship, like.
Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
It could be. You know what this can be. It's
your call. You can play, but it's your call. You
know what possibly could happen. And for him to do
that for his team, that's that's big time.
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Are saying you had sources or you're saying that's what
you're assuming.
Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I mean, that's just obvious.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I'm just awesome.
Speaker 7 (01:04:55):
Thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Uh, Yeah, he don't get hurt. I think we are
having a different topic for sure. He was going for
a legacy game for sure. Yeah, like Nigga's like you
need to have a forty he was he was going
for probably forty if if he don't get hurt, where
they win and lose, who knows, but it was it
was gonna be a more much more interesting game if
he doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
And I hate it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Shout out the Haliban, shout out, Shout out the Pacers.
The fact, the fact is that all zero's toward their
achilles this year is kind of crazy. Tatum, Dame and
Tyres all rocking the numbers zero, the eastes, and the
East is now completely wide open. Nah, No, that's not
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completely wide open?
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Who who fuck? Is it out?
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Oh? You're right, I probably got Uh, you're right, you're right.
I'm probably good. I'll probably go with the Knicks. I
mean's got to show me some ship Nicks Detroit. Detroit
is gonna be a problem. I think the thing is,
all these seems to me wide open. To tell you,
this changes if you if you all gets back to normal. Joel,
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Joel is going to dominate the East next year at
the Philadelphia. I feel like if they keep the team,
I think I'm taking Joel. Speaking of a new team, though,
let's talk about it first. Thoughts. When you guys heard
the trade. I heard that Nigga Katie was in the
door last night. Hey, I'll say, I mean a lot
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of people were saying they're they're, they're kind of upset.
But let me go you guys first, first initial reactions
Steve and Ray.
Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
First, you know, go ahead, right, I like it.
Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
I mean, you gotta you gotta closer. Now, you got
a bona closer with those young guys who's what number
two in the West last season. You know, you make
some changes and add a bona fide player that can
get you a bucket, that can win games when you
need them to. There's been a champion being m v P.
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Didn were talking about Kevin Durant here, so he was
able still to keep some really good young cores. So
I don't I don't think. I don't think Rockets did
nothing but got a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
They're about to add the smoking bus there too.
Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Yeah, I was Steve, I was, yeah, they still had
they still signed Steve o back and you know, just
some of the things that they still got they still
got on the Thompson Twins.
Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Do you know what connections are with the Katie on
On Houston coach in Brooklyn Royal Ivy is one of
his OG's as you. I'm sure you know that everybody
knows that DJ, Augustine and him got some ties and
obviously Steve O a lot of ties to Katie and Houston.
Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I'm gonna say, and and the biggest, the biggest ties, Drake.
He got a place in Houston and he always wear
Travis Scott's Listen.
Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I'm just saying that. You know, his crib in Toronto
is kind of what he's iconic, what he's doing for.
Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
You're right, You're right, Hey, I would say this. I
would say this good friends. I would say this, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
First off, you always look to see what they gave up.
Is anybody saying no to that? So hold on?
Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Hold up? I want to hold on. I want to listen.
It's not the same level, but you you are giving
up twenty three year old legit twenty five point score
for aging thirty seven year old supers Okay, around twenty five,
twenty three? I got this twenty are you you sure? Yeah,
he's skimming twenty. Let me you get saying I'm not
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saying no, but I just want to play Devil's advocate
because everybody was going on and I'm not comparing him
with everybody. No, I'm not comparing him to Lucas. Everybody's
going off about trading an aging superstar for young person
in a group chat, who is No, I'm talking about
the Lucas situation, and I'm not saying that they're on part.
I'm not saying they're on part. But what I'm saying
is that you are trading for an aging superstar, one
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that has two good years left, like a lot of
people are saying for some of that has potentially ten years,
but like, do we know that?
Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
I'm not agreeing with that. Everybody know that Katie only
the Nigga is averaging. He's more efficient now than he wasn't. Okay,
so I'm doing the deal ten times over now. I'm
just gonna put that on record. He hasn't shown any
sign and he hasn't shown any sign of slowing down
because if Katie's there, If Katie was there this year,
they beat the Warriors and they probably would beat Minnesota.
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I would just say, if Katie is averaging above twenty
four points a game on the Fisher shooting, like, what
the fuck are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
You can do that?
Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I don't know. So y'all don't have a single problem
with the trade. Y'all thought it was a good trade.
Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I'm with it.
Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Any team that got Katie got better five second round
picks don't feel like that. I have to give a
price either. For me, it were first Listen, how many
second round picks actually be turning out?
Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Bro keep it a buck.
Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I mean today I would say kt KTI they them defensively,
they gave up one. I mean Dylan Brooks is very
essential to that defensive prowless. But at the same time,
you didn't give up that much. You're still gonna be
defended at a high level, right, you still got a
lot of young guys. Easton, Fred Fleet, Thompson with uh
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with more kad but.
Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I think he's j Parker.
Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
But do you mean Jabari Smith? I think they look
at Easton could be the next the next great defender
on the team, like they think it's next man up,
because I like, I've seen Easton play. Easterton looks he's
a really good defender. But you got to think about it, right,
they're putting how tall Sangoon six eleven seven six eleven,
Sangoon six eleven, Jabari Smith seven ft KD A man
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is what six nine and six nine lengthy as well?
And then I mean, I don't like Fred van Vleied
in the lineup anymore. I'm not gonna lie to you, guys.
I think you just need a better shooter. I think
you need an elast shooter. He sho like thirty seven
percent shoot.
Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
That's what he what?
Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
He sat a Toronto guy, you though, not for you.
That's the reason why y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Want but a golden stan You know my golden I was,
but you're still from there. He's a matter.
Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
He's a playoff bro from Toronto.
Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
He shot thirty five can I'm good in Toronto. I'm
good in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
That's not bad.
Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Thirty five percent from three is not good enough. Guys,
come on bad either with with I mean, Kate is amen,
Katie shoot for y'all. Y'all are roasting a man for
shooting twenty five.
Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
They said, what a shoot is that?
Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Katie shoot forty percent?
Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Yap? That's it?
Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
And no whate else is there's an laite shooter. I
think you need a little bit more shooting the lineup?
Is that really?
Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
That exactly?
Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
I think Smith is a shooter I think I think
Jabari Smith is a competent shooter. Jalen Greenwood, I know,
But what I'm saying to you is that Dylan Brooks
was a better shooter than Amenok. Shoot, I think I
think Dylan was like.
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
He shot hot Share, he shot bro.
Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yes, I actually saw that the other day.
Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
He was forty.
Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
He was forty, can get shot, so y'all, So y'all
think y'all y'all want to keep frad I.
Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Don't think they're done that.
Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
I think I like Shephard, I like the young kid
would it was?
Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
So what was the point I'm making?
Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
You tell it? I don't like what.
Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Are y'all really mad at that? What I'm telling you,
I don't like him for forty two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I agree with you on that. I think they pay
the funk out of him. For sure, too late, he
got already said. I said that I like it, but
not for the price. For sure. I agree that this
is the best he got a player option.
Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
It's a team option, so he can get down to
real team option.
Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
He's not I don't think so let's tiny can find.
Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
But again, he's gonna get forty three million dollars a year,
it's like forty. They can't get that. They'll give him
like maybe, like, do y'all believe in Cam with Moore?
I like him, Yes, I think time. I think you
go try to find someone with Cam with Moore and
some and some more assets. But two years, no, I
think you go trade him and go find like a
legit point guard, like a Drew Holliday potentially like someone
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like that now Drew Holiday go there. That's what I'm saying,
Like I would go get a Jew Holiday or someone
of that Jew How hello, they come here?
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Legit? No?
Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I think Chris Paul, Chris Paul on the list, Chris
pauls don't want the list? You know, THEE is gonna
be at every game?
Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Oh yeah, hey, hey, I'm gonna say this though hear
me out. As far as Katie's moves, it might have
been one of his best moves other than the Brooklyn one,
because the Brooklyn one, like I said, that was just unlucky.
The reason I say it's one of his best moves
is before the draft and free agency hasn't opened yet.
Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
They'll get somebody. They're not done, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
They have a lot of room. They have a lot
of room to get better guys.
Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
All I'm saying is I would like to see them
make make a upgrade at the point position. That's all
we're saying. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Once I figured Drew.
Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Holiday, I'm there's a lot of people trying to go
get him something. But to be fair, legit, how how
many holiday have? How many legit?
Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
How many good of the years? Is KTI have holiday?
In my opinion, who Drew Hollid That's a tough one.
I think it's the same. I think they year for
Drew Holland to give KD. If KD dropped to twenty
four points on fifty percent shooting, that's not a fantastic year.
But Drew Holidays, that's don't show up though we know
that what Drew oh, I mean true, but like he
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also didn't do too well.
Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
And he had an injury injury year, bro come on man, he.
Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Had I mean, look, I'm just but that's saying that's
I'm adding, how many more good year guys?
Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
That's my initial question.
Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
But you know who I would love to see go
there though, just with just how they play and just
Trey Young, no Murray Murray when he gets back.
Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
He's miserable, and oh my god, I would love to
see him in Houston just because they play defense.
Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
You don't need to be in Houston.
Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Why not he don't.
Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
He don't. He don't do that.
Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
He don't go out like that.
Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
You don't just what he said. I got a name
for you, guys, I don't know I got I got
two names to you guys. Do you guys like Malcolm
Brogden over Van Vleet?
Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Who Malcolm playing?
Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I heard him in two years? I don't know. I
really wouldn't know Malcolm Brockden. I remember Washington, Washington got
to watch Malcolm Brogden. I remember he was an elite
shooter and he can play, so I pick him over Fred.
But I haven't seen him in two years. Like you
guys said, he'd like he's been hurt. And the other
red though, and the other name I have for you guys.
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Is the issue?
Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Though?
Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
It wasn't the no, No, I don't, I don't wasn't
the issue. I don't think it's about him being the issue.
I just think with this team, I think you could
use a different types. So you don't rit for some reason?
Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Because he hit those three threes on crazy. But but
my thing is, like, what the what the three threes?
Remember in the finals, he couldn't shoot. You can ask
shootings without getting rid of him. That's the problem. They
just can't.
Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
They can't pay him forty two million.
Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
That's what I'm saying. They want to pay him forty
two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I agree with you. I think you change the contract
and then we're go get That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Like he's going to get paid like twenty five to
twenty seven, and that's gonna be okay. I take Chris
Paul over Fred, to be straight with you, mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
I'm just trying to see how that would Jill, because
Fred don't necessarily need the ball as.
Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Much as CP. But can you imagine, so you gotta
think about that too. Can you imagine CP orchestrat into
this line.
Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
I love it, I love it, but CP needs that
ball more when really they kind of plays through through
Big Fella a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Kad He need to be in Dallas, said, I don't.
I don't see that. Cep needs to be somewhere where
he really anywhere you imagine could you imagine if Chris
Paul running a pick and roll at Anthony Davis Gafford.
Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
I just don't think of making it instead of takeout.
Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
I forget about Cooper.
Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Listen, I don't like Fred. Y'all know that we're going back,
going to going to Chapel Hill. I was going to Durham.
Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
He was on the plane normally too. People was like that, Coop, Yeah,
that's him.
Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Was the first class at least, Yeah, the first.
Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Right in front of me.
Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Well, you know, people like I mean, I'm sure he could,
but private jet money is different, Bro, it's different.
Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
But Bro, you about to be the number one pick
in the drift, probably the most athlete right now.
Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Nasty new balance, nasty as new balance, guys, that's nasty NB.
He's putting a new balance in nasty NB.
Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Bro, and better than them sketches.
Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
We're talking about Nike versuswhere you gotta go, right. I
ain't never seen you wear anything other than Nike.
Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
Bro, I was I didn't even wear that can in
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yeah. I know you had a shoot, I know you
had deals. I haven't seen you anything other than Nikes.
Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Now you want me to bring different shoes?
Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
No, No, I'm not saying do you have any new
balance in your in your closet. Damn, I didn't know
that Y used to be heavy you a because they
paid his pills. They paid his bill. You used to
lace you.
Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
I'm talking about boxing.
Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I can't hear.
Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yes, the Calves, Oh, they got the Calves. Calves. I
mean I said it wasn't gonna be the Knicks, That's
all I said.
Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I think I think the Calves are pretenders. So, unless
you know where my head's at, Kurts of the Calves
are if with everything coach right, depend on what they
do with their coach to put my resume.
Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
The Calves are the favorite already. They just gotta upgrade,
all right?
Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
So listen, does Kevin Durrant make them contenders?
Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Yes, this is Kevin Deer for niggas in the media.
Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I want to know you're talking. You know better than
never asking question.
Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Are they better than that? In your opinion? They would
be better than Denver Woo? I want you.
Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Off season, huge off season?
Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Are they better than right now?
Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Okay, if we're right now, if it's right now today,
But the way the teams are orchestrated Houston is the
best team.
Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
In the league or just in the West.
Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no, I don't
know if they I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Toes down it'll be a great clip. Are they the
best team right now? Okatie, yes or no? Uh, they're
not the best team.
Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
I'll take that back. They're not the best team.
Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
But I think they're better than the.
Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Warriors right now.
Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
I think they're better than the Warriors, but they're not better.
I don't think they're better than the Wolves. I think
they're right below the Wolves. I think it's okay see
Denver Wolves and that the Wolves gotta show me some
ship now. They can't disappoint me. How they went Wolves?
No no, no no no no no get rid no
no no, yes, yes, yes, the Wolves are good.
Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
The Wolves are good. Been in the Rockets.
Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
To the Rockets is to me is top three now
in the top three.
Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Four for me.
Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
I don't think the biggest thing is that he did
it before, he did it before free agency.
Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, we got Dallas too, but they ain't better than Dallas.
A healthy Dallas with.
Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Kyrie, they they're they're out of there there.
Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
They're top five to me, you can swap out Wolves
injury is gonna be fucking and and let's be honest, if.
Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
You don't forget about the Clippers now.
Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Don't forget about the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
If we get Bobby Porter, like they reporting, we're gonna
get Bobby Porter, you put them with Dre the Warriors,
we're the favorite to I was like, Bobby Porter is
my fault? We're the favorite to land Bobby Porters. You
put him side Dre Jimmy. But who the wh.
Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Huh? That makes us?
Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
That puts us right in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
With the Wolves and everything? Make contender because no, I.
Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Said that puts us in the conversation with Houston in them,
I don't. I think there's only three contending. You know,
it's Kevin Looney, the three for Bobby for what Looney for?
How they play talking about but we're not talking about
like Lak you're better to Yeah, Bro, Lakers, the Lakers
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through five, the Lakers get a big I think they're
better than this Houston team. Are we really? Are we
really gonna say they're contenders? Like I think there's only
three of the contenders right now. They still continuing the Lakers.
Who makes them gonna get get one big one Big,
they get a legit big.
Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
It's legit.
Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
My fault on Bobby port Chat my fault compell agent
who Clint Coppella Read Copella?
Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Who they need it? They need?
Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
They need to picking picking big.
Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
You gotta spend that much money to get Compella now,
but you're gonna spend some money to get Read. I
think you gonna get both of them.
Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
What not?
Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I think I think you move on from Austin Reeves
and try to get like a beat big and you
can kind of find find guard to Phillis you're not
getting rid of You See what they got for Desmond Band.
I think they should. You see what they got for
Desmond Band. You could do something like that for Austin.
Get more because like because like do you do you
really need Austin with Lebron and lucahotrolling the pace?
Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
That's what I But that's the thing. You gotta know
how long Lebron gonna be there, That's what I'm saying.
It's like that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
But but my whole point to you guys is like
you can get somebody else that that can shoot what
they can replace eighty percent of Austin Reaves that's for
a cheaper price.
Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
I told you, I'm definitely trading a R.
Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I'm training a R two. I'm doing it for what Desmond.
What they got for Desmond band, I think they canna
get triple J. I would probably try to figure something
off for trip J. That's a that's a great that's
a great trip J.
Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
I was.
Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I ain't got to brow that ship up. That's so
they consider which calling one or two? Austin rees what
they considered him one or two?
Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Two's it too?
Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Because Luca there, because I was saying, send them to
send them to Sacramento for Zach Lavine.
Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Oh but nasty? Why that's nasty?
Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
It was nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
It didn't help that with Zach. They need a center.
Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
It's okay, you still go get you a center, but
you still need somebody else to score that case.
Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Training for the bonus?
Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
All right, y'all?
Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I mean anything anyone on the Kings is nasty. Do
you have the contents point? Do you have tender rockets?
Are they contenders yes? As is, no, they may make
the movies. Do you have them as is?
Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Their contenders?
Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Okay, cool, their contenders right now?
Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Next thing on the three teams better than how they continents.
There's three teams in the West better than them, y'all,
But there's hell of teams that could containd Okam.
Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
And we were saying, we were saying teams we met
like lef they make changes right now.
Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Okay, when we define contenders, we mean talk that like
you expect them to be in the Western Conference Finals?
Do you expect the Rockets to being the West Conference
Finals next year? If they don't, they don't a bus No, no, men't.
It's a bust. No, no, feel don't don't give me
that with this roster. Should they be there?
Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Yes or no?
Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
Not?
Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Not?
Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
You your surprised should they be there?
Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Not you?
Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
You wouldn't if they are in the West Conference Finals,
it's a bust because you know what I's that's continued.
I expect Denver and Okay, no.
Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
There's no way, no way you feel that talked about it.
There's no dynasties no more because teams are good. There's
too many good teams.
Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
We didn't.
Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Their team and it changes things.
Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Like we can next year if y'all don't put money
on Okay, see a Denver being in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Y'all are frauds.
Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
No, that's not that's who I expected. That's who I
expected even free agency.
Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
What do you think how I think they're all. I
think they're all in a continuing way. And I think
if they get the right road, if you used to
get the right road, they have.
Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
And Stiel and I said, I didn't say you're wrong.
I'm just defining what I defined as a contender. And
you said that you believe that they should be in
the Western CONFS finals. Actually that's fair. I didn't say
you're wrong. I believe they could get there. But is
it the team you expect to be there with this roster?
Do you expect them to be there not? Can they
get that? I can't. I can't expect any I expect
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to be there though. But that's what I'm saying. I
expect that that Those are my two favorite picks right
now talking about what do we not all expect Boston
to be back at least in exactly that we all did.
Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
That's a whole different team. That's a whole different team.
You're comparing Boston to the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
That're defining what contending me, that's what he's defining what
contending means he we expected Boston to be the only
real contender from the East until the cat that's what
everyone win. That exactly, that's what the point.
Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
But that's what a contender is, a team that you
can actually expect to win it all. If they just
said the Western Conference final, y'all didn't say nothing about
the fight, but.
Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
That that's that was his defense a contender. Mine was
will they be the one of the last? I said,
did we not expect Boston to be in the conference finals?
Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Again?
Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
I didn't say finals. Again, that's not That's not what
came in my mouth. But what I'm saying is that
you expecton That's the question. That's the question you want.
What do you expect Houston to be one of the
last two Western teams?
Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Standing? Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
If you were to put money on it right now, No.
Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
I wouldn't built the money on it. Then nobody though
I want to put money on Okay, see all right, then.
Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
You don't have a real contender. You don't have you
don't have a contender.
Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Say, dude, what the Cleveland a contender before the playoffs started?
Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
You know my answer, man, he knows.
Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
He's just trying to what are you talking about He's
just trying to.
Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Have an argument.
Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Everybody can be a contender. He's trying, okay, because you're
going all around his question, Bro, you're going.
Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Contender doesn't mean the questions like just first it was
Western Conference, Yes, they could get there.
Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Would argue, No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
I don't want to argue, but I think okay, so
and them could get to the Western.
Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Yes, let me make it easy for you. Let me
make it easy for you with this roster. Can they
Do you think with this roster alone, can they win
a championship? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I wouldn't be shocked.
Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
No, but that's just as I wouldn't be shocked. Do
you would you expect this?
Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Okay, here you go, I got you.
Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Do you do you expect them to win with this roster?
That's the question? Yes, you expected they're going to win? No,
win a championship? Do you expect them to win championship
with this roster? That's what a contender means. You expect
them to really give what legitimate it's not That is
what an I expect. Okay, a legitimate contender, A legitimate contender,
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that's not what I defind it as that gas comments
finals like. Okay, let me give you example. The Raptors
contended in twenty seventeen, but they were really pretenders. They
were never going to win a contender. They were pretender.
They were never gonna beat Braun. You had no idea
that they be because I knew they're gonna lose. They
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were pretenders.
Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
The war was not a legitimate one.
Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
That's your opinion.
Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
That was opinion, Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
They were never gonna You already thought drafts though the
Raptors are gonna be Lebron in the East.
Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
I think it's not that ship for real.
Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
B y'all don't understand.
Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Things can happen, Bro, of course, but if everything's healthy, okay,
if if everybody is healthy, but that's that's that's the
only assumption, everybody. If Lebron James can walk, who the
fuck is gonna be contenders? If Lebron James can fucking
walk on the floor, who thought that ship be for real?
Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I don't, I don't listen.
Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
I'm gonna be games and he's lost.
Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
So let's not go against the Toronto Raptors who thought
Lebron James wasn't gonna swoop.
Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Then I am camp Camp Cam you're holding that mike
and you're not gaining anything. Lebron James had Jordan Clarkson,
Larry Nance, George Ill, fucking.
Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Who supposed to be could have thought they would have
had a chance that year.
Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
So we understand THEE thinks anybody tosses ball is a contender.
All right, let's move On's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
I'm not gonna even let it. I'm not gonna let
you say move on or some dumb ship like that.
Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I did not say that.
Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
I do not think this Charlotte Hornets are gonna win
a championship. I do not think Washington Wizards are winning
a champions and I think the Sacramento things no nigga.
Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Games. You just said that. I never said that.
Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
So you're telling me if Kevin Durant goes to fucking
nuclear and they have nobody that can guard them. Fucking
Fred ban Fleet has another Toronto year. He's shooting the
piss out the ball. Sandon starts to dominate. Fucking Uh,
what's the all boy that come out the bench?
Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
A young bull?
Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
God, I forgot his name? Ea, sen Uh, what's the
other dude? Can't with Moore with more? He starts to
come into his own. So if they all have great
years and they.
Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Funk around, get to the fires, and then k he
becomes finals MVP. You like, well, I didn't see KD
doing this, No motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Nobody. You're asking that we haven't seen yet. You're asking
for stuff that is so far from what what you've
seen from them, Like like, that's not even.
Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
We haven't seen okay se do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
That's not even probable though we already average sixty points
a game and shoot seventy percent. Then the gon't say
Worries are fucking contenders. That's what you're basically telling me.
Everybody's in. That's not what happens about.
Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
They are contenders because right now Kevin Durant has committed
to the Houston Rockets with a very good team. Now
they have a good draft, and they got the fucking
free agency they have to make more they can go
in there and put the people they I legitimate think
I don't know what the move is, because that's what
you're gonna ask me. They're probably one move away.
Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Executively changers.
Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
They know until they make the move, Until they make
the move, Do you think that you think they can't. No,
I don't think the chances Ross, I do not believe.
I don't believe that chance.
Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Get me out right here, Camp, hear me, hear me?
Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
This right?
Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Hank thought they had a better chance. He thought Golden
State had a good chance to beat Minnesota. Steph Curry
didn't get hurt?
Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Did you not come?
Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Yes? Okay. They think.
Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
A chance, not a good chance. Chance, not a good chance.
I said a chance.
Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
I just put Cavin Durant on Houston, and I'm gonna
go back to camp.
Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Cam said.
Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
If Jalen Green.
Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Even played like a shelle of himself, they beat the Warriors,
So why can't they beat them with Cavin Durant on
the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
To be honest, I'm not sure if the Warriors are continued.
That's why that's my point, because the Wars, I don't
think the Warriors would.
Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Have been okay see though.
Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
But we just talked about the Western.
Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
But I don't think. I don't think the okay see
would have been I don't think for your point, he's
right here. But but here's the point. Here's the point, though,
I don't think the Warriors were ever contenders. This year,
if they made it, I would have thought their pretenders.
Like I didn't think the mass had a shot in
the finals last year, the mass had zero shot in
my opinion, but they were contending though.
Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
That's it. Y'all thought the mass had a shot against Boston. Huh,
y'all you thought the Mass had a shot against Boston last.
Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
No, no, But you knew I said that you were.
I was in Dallas and I told you they had
no shot. Remember I said, Boston, No, I shot absolutely,
But then but didn't I call that you remember that
I told you no shot and it was for one,
but it was for one.
Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
I think that America didn't think the Mavericks had a shot.
I'm just letting you know they really didn't. They had
a chance because they were there, but they didn't really
have a chance any team that run through the just
just just just like you said that teams had a
chance against the Warriors, but they didn't really have a chance.
Did you have a did you bet?
Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Okay? That Warriors team was.
Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
A fun and Boston was that good compared to the
rest of the league that last year, is what I'm saying.
And me with Katie's But Boston was that far ahead
of every team last year.
Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Though, let's just keep that team had not ship to
do with that Warriors team.
Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
But I'm not saying I'm saying that's how far had
they were in the league, like nobody actually thought anybody
had a legit chance to win against those words. That's
how good Boston was compared to the rest of the
league last year. I could I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
I would not be able to tell you that Kyrie
would have played like that against the Boston Celtics. I
couldn't have told you that he played like himself.
Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
He did not play well at all, all right, he
said it ship all right?
Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Well, last topic is, uh, Kurt, you want to roll
the Tracey McGrady clip.
Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
We have too many talented players that come through this
league that are championship worthy. What I mean by that
if you put them, if you take them off a
team that is a championship quality team, replace me with Kobe,
with shat I don't win a championship. You don't think
I could carry the Lakers to a championship like I've
never had the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
I felt like if I was put in that position.
Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
To win a championship.
Speaker 7 (01:34:08):
I damn sure would show up and do what I
do in the playoffs to elevate my team to that level.
Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
I just never had the chance.
Speaker 7 (01:34:15):
So do I get diminished because I never won a championship?
Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
That's what I'm saying. My fault.
Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
I was never put in that position.
Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
See, they added another layer onto a team.
Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Then you have players that start saying, Okay, no, now
I gotta be at the facto GM now have to be.
Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
No, I gotta.
Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
Everywhere because they need to get no no, no, I
get you know, when it comes to Lebron and he
gets he gets traded or goes to Miami. But I
wasn't talking about but I'm talking about players one, three,
not four, not five.
Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Now he puts some of that on himself.
Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
What do you guys think. I mean, there's a lot
of niggas we could say if we put them on
the team with Shack and his problem, that they would
win championships. We're going backt like Tracy McGrady didn't make
it out of the first round until he went with
the Spurs.
Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
That's That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Like, I mean, he's one of my favorite players of
all time.
Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
You like, what the are we talking about? Hey, what
was it? What was the Houston Rockets best year? But
then it went like fifty games, number one in eight West.
Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Something like that. I mean, listen, I will tell you this.
They they did have we're on our test, Shane Battier,
Yao Ming and Juwan Howard and Tracy Grady. That team
was stacked. But listen, I don't think ya was healthy
for the playoffs, So like, I mean, you gotta take
that away. But but Tracy McGrady never left the first
round playoffs other than when he was with San Antonio.
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I'm just like, he's one of my favorite players. I'm
buystwards Tracy. But let's like, you didn't even make it
out the round. What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
This is? This is where it comes down to, and
make sure y'all clip this.
Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
I love.
Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Ray talked about it earlier. We get respect from our peers,
that's the That's what. Honestly for me, this is my opinion.
I think I get you. You should get more respect
from your peers. You get respect from your peers, then
you know, okay, are really doing something Because things do happen. Injuries,
bad circumstances. Uh, you never know what the fuck could
(01:36:35):
be going on in the locker room ship like that.
Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
So all that came into play for Tracy's career. Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
So at that point I understand it's unfair, but that's
what that's the cards you were dealt. My thing is,
when we talked about great the Brons, the Steps, the MJ's.
Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Koby's, they're all so the Kobe's like shacks, they're so great.
We got to that ring.
Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Shit matter.
Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Because when it comes to numbers and all that other shit,
you're you're looking at the same thing. You know what
I'm saying. You can't look at numbers like that when
you talk about really you can't even look at numbers.
Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
When you talk about Bron and Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Bron played twenty three fucking seasons. Of course his number
is gonna be better than MJ's. But MJ never lost.
He don't know what it He don't know what it
feels like to play a game seven. He doesn't know
what it feels like to lose an NBA Finals. So
(01:37:49):
that's where that criteria comes from, right, you have that
that shit matters at the end of the day, when
you play basketball and your competitor. Right the end of
the game, what are we looking at?
Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Did we win?
Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Okay, then you look at the box score? All right,
look my plus mind is my points. I said, blah blah,
turnovers all that shit, But did we win the game?
If you didn't win, it's gonna hurt you. That's for everybody,
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's just how that's
just how it is.
Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
I hate it. Everyone hates it.
Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
But you're judged off how you do and you can't
just like if I was on that, you don't know,
Shack might have not liked your ass.
Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
You know what I'm saying, Jack.
Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
The difference is you don't mean to cut you off
to you now you're good. The difference is when you
when you when I hear a statement like that, like
I understand what Tracy's saying and what he's trying to say.
And you know, I'm a big fan. I was a
big fan of Tracy. I love Tracy game. You know.
But the problem was is not that you didn't have
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a good enough team, because I know people probably a
lot of guys sitting back like looking listening to you
say that if I wasn't on the team with Shaq, Like,
damn I would have did this. But you was on
some pretty damn good teams in Orlando and in Houston.
You had some good teams. But the problem was is
you was running you was running into a problem. Guess
what Charles Barkley problem was. He couldn't get past fucking
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Michael Jordan. Tracey McGrady couldn't get past Kobe Bryant and
Shaq and Lebron when he came in the league. I'm
just saying, you you go through these dudes who just
on another tier, you know. And I'm not saying Tracy
McGrady is not up there, but those guys are a
tier up there. They up further, you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
(01:39:40):
they up further. So you know they you couldn't get
past them. That's his beat. That's just let's call it
what it is. You couldn't get past them. You had
to deal with Kobe Bryant, and then Lebron just came.
You had to deal with Lebron leaving. Who is who
is Tracy? Who were they losing to in the first round?
Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
In Houston, They've lost a Dallas one year they lost
I think San Antonio. They they lost us some team. Yeah,
then you had to deal with shit.
Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
You had to deal with the Donny Still san Antonio
ship till tim.
Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
They lost to Dallas in five in this fresh year there.
Two thousand and six, they didn't make the playoffs. I
believe t Mac was injured. And then two thousand and seven,
I think they lost to the Jazz.
Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
Like, do I think he could have won?
Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
They lost to Utah?
Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Do I think he could have a championship with with
with with Shaquille the way his game was.
Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Of course I do. But we don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
We wouldn't know, you know, sometimes things don't work out
like you said theo. Hell, Shaq might might have didn't
like you.
Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
You just I mean, you don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
You don't know what it could have happened. Maybe you
in shock didn't click the way him and Kobe did.
You don't know these things. I was you capable just
like Kobe? Hell yeah, he was very skilled and and
could win a game by yourself, and you could do
everything that Kobe can do. But but we all know
Kobe Bryant's mentality, Kobe Bryant's killing, Kobe Browant what he
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can do on one difference between Kobe. Kobe can go
win on defense.
Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
Too, just like him. Jacob was really a defender as well.
But this is what I would say that, This is
what I would say, But you're right, mentality is different mainte, Like,
let's what you said, what Ray said earlier. A lot
of guys would have gone through what rated and come
out on your first game and fucking hit a game
winning layup and you scored like thirty that game. That's
not every guy's not built for that. And I ain't
(01:41:27):
gonna sit here and say that Trason m grady had
the same mentality as Kobe. Kobe's a fucking sick He's
just different. So sick it's sick, and Kobe it's not
like Kobe was old. He was twenty two, winning championships
twenty one, like, that's very rare as well. So look,
I'm not with I don't know if t Mac at
that age has the same maturity.
Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
So I think it.
Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
I think it's more. I think it's one of those
situations where the thing I don't like is don't bring
up other people. Yeah right, I don't like how he
brought up Kobe. Don't bring up Cob like Kobe was
different from everybody. I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
There is no other There's no other fucking Kobe. I
don't give a damn.
Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Who you are that you didn't Kobe didn't fuck with nobody.
He wanted to kill every.
Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Who's going after Michael Jordan? Who Tykes? Who talks to
Michael Jordan like that? No, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
Like he legitimately thought he was better than him at
that age. So my thing is, you're he ain't Cole.
You had Everyone respects Tracy McGrady. Everyone knows if it
wasn't for he's a fucking issue, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
He's a Hall of Famer. And it's not like just
be like I had unfortunate circumstances. We just never got there.
But I would put it like this, and I'll leave
it at this. Lebron, Michael Jordan, Kobe, Bryant, Shaq, they're
not losing to the Jazz. They're not losing the fucking Dallas.
You talked about them running into Kobe, they didn't. He
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didn't even get to them.
Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
It's true. Yeah, he ran to Kobe one year, I
think two thousand and nine that remember they had that
tough series. I remember they them, but what happened. You
can't you didn't even get to them, So I don't
know how we can. Oh, he was injured that year
when they made it out.
Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
The greats are the greats, and at the end of
the day, everybody can't be at that level. We strive
to beat.
Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Yes, they did.
Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
In two thousand and nine they play the Lakers, but
t mac was injured.
Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Yeah, but at the end of the day, we all
can't be there.
Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
In two thousand and nine, they beat Portland without te Tmak.
I remember specifically because I know for a fact. No, no,
I'm on a too ur two thousand and NBA playoffs,
Kirk can told me about Houston. Trace mccan is my
favorite player. Yeah, my point. See, come on, guys, don't
listen to Kurt. Listen to Kurt. No, you guys are right,
(01:43:57):
You guys are right.
Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
I'm with you, right, because I I get where he
was trying to say. But like, I think he lost
everybody once he did the Kobe thing. Once, He's like hours,
it sounded it was a bunch of hate.
Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
It sounded. He went straight the hater ship.
Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
He was being guys.
Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Can we be real?
Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Though?
Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Tam Ma never made it out of the first round.
He was being a hoe like he has no I'm
not gonna that's crazy. You talking about Kobe like put
some respect on t Max's name. Ain't a hope he
disrespected Kobe. Maybe maybe Kobe did if you put me there,
But you never made it out of the first round.
(01:44:36):
We're talking about championships. You never even made it out
the first round. Your teams are good enough to make
it out the first round. He did have a healthy
yelming when he first got there.
Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
What are you debt? Put it out there.
Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
You're a Hall of Famer. You're probably top five to
seven of your position. I think Tracy McGrady, a lot
of people argue, is probably one of them. If you
were to create a BASKETB player, he might be the
most talented basketball player because he really six nine to
six ten he and he's more athlet He's more athletic
than KD. But that's what I'm saying, what he arguing about,
that's what I'm saying. His vision team Ac could pass.
(01:45:07):
There's not a single skill that Teamac didn't have, and
he was so super athletic team. Ac might be the
most one of the most talented players to ever be
put on this earth. Is no one's disagreeing with him
on that. But that's why it's like, why are you
talking about the niggas?
Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
But this is the thing, though, we we we we
all listen, we all talked about we all saw the game.
Michael Beasley is probably one of the most gifted motherfuckers
we've seen play basketball, is right, So like we get
what Tam Mac's saying. No one said you weren't good.
(01:45:40):
You see what I'm saying. It's just like there's levels
to the ship. But we all know, like we all,
no one's disrespecting Michael Beasley. No one's going to play
Michael Beasley one on one.
Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
You know why, because they get cooked.
Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
It will cook you.
Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
That's what he is good at. You know what I'm saying.
He is a good, bad basketball player. But like I said, I.
Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Think the shot at Kobe was just a lot. I
was like, come on, bro, what do you mean, we
don't know what the fuck could have happened? If you
replace Kobe, Kobe would have won with what's her name?
Maybe if Kobe was in Houston, Kobe probably would have been, like, shit,
I would have took that Houston team won medi a chip.
Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
I think Kobe would have won.
Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Yeah, what I'm saying. I think what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
His twenty ten ring, his twenty nine twenty ten ring
kind of helped that narrative. But who one is his
twenty ten his back to back rings. The tough one
about the twenty ten one I would say is that
the Celtics center have the full roster. But you know
that was a Game seven, so hey.
Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
But at the end of the day, I said this
before all great players to get stamped, you gotta you
gotta do it somewhat on your own, not like a
super superstar Cleveland, you know, like fucking Kobe had to
do it without Shaq Steph had to do it without KD.
Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Like those guys have to do Those.
Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Kobe seems are stacked. Though Let's not get that wrong.
L O pal Andrew by them. That's a squad and Ron.
Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
Ron, But they're not like they're not like the Yeah
Bro show. If they're not the two thousand.
Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Healthy Andrew Bynum was one of the best bigs in
the league. Let's if that two thousands.
Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Show the kid Andrew a picture of Andrew Bidam. They
will have no idea who.
Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Yet, but we don't need it. But we're not talking
about that. When Andrew Bidham was actually healthy and he'd
have knee issues, was he not an issue in the league? Guys?
Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
No, he was.
Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
He was eighteen and twelve like this, eighteen and ten,
he's not. He was getting he was closed to be
the next great center, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
But during those years he was healthy, he was one
of the best centers. And Gasol is one of the
best players, none of the best power forwards of all time.
But no one's not saying it. But neither one of
the niggas a shack. That's sure. I agree with you,
But I'm just saying, let's not like Covid definitively, but
he had a stacked He had a stack seven. You
have to have a team a grade seven, not like
(01:47:56):
have a team you said. But he's definitely that. But
that's not what I'm arguing. I'm not saying he was
on the least for sure, But what I'm saying is
that he had a very very good seven. Like his
seven was better than a lot of sevens. That's all
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Still like what it was good?
Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
It was good?
Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
No, No, I know I'm not saying it wasn't better
than I'm saying. Kobe saund a great roster on him though,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
No team winning the championship were not a good roster.
Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
No championship tam has a bad roster.
Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
Yeah, I gotta be healthy. His point. He proved his
point that he could win. Ony he what what we said,
what we say at the beginning of the playoffs, the
healthiest team gonna do?
Speaker 7 (01:48:43):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Who not that be actually healthy? Raised on payroll championship.
Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
Next time we have the show, I'm gonna have my shirt.
Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Hey, championship. He By the way, we're asking Charlie for
an apology or what another apologize, but he has He's
gonna have to say something.
Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
You're gonna have to say you're going right right?
Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
No, yeah, crazy though.
Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
You saw that.
Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
You saw that they painted the buses before they even win.
Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
That was crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
That's tough though.
Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
That was.
Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Now you gotta give you got to give your guys
a confidence. Bro, the Wizards. I just saw some about
k k.
Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Mid picked up his thirty three player. I would have
picked that mother up yesterday. Yeah, hey, before the season. Hey, look,
I'm going to tell you right now, before getting I'm
gonna pick that up.
Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Which Which team do you guys want to see Middleton on?
Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Not the Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
I'm only saying that because of what Jackson Jackson is.
Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
It crazy?
Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Not j Jackson, It ain't crazy. But we don't need
the point guard.
Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
You need a point guard.
Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
I would I would actually like to see him go
to UH for thirty three. I would like to see
him go to san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
I like him in Denver. I think he.
Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Is a good fit. I like him, and we didn't
talk about quickly. Where do you guys want to see
Jayleen Green? Because he's being moved. He's on State in Phoenix,
not on my team. I was telling Canvas earlier that
I could see Wizards. You want to see him in Washington.
Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
Give him a chance to just go out there and
just see if he can be a star. Why not?
Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
I want to see him in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Him going to a contendent team. He ain't ready for contendent.
Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
I want to see him in Atlanta. Beside Trey, I
would like to see something like that bring up in Dallas.
No you don't want him in Dallas. No, don't say
I said not on my team? Who said quick as fuck,
not on my team? Hey fuck it. If I'm if
I'm what's the name, I.
Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Don't maybe sack soon to the bucks Man, maybe Portland
or something, yeah, something so.
Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
So hear me.
Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
I don't want this to happen. I can just see
a crazy world where Golden State does like a d
LO thing where they want some assets and they trade
Cominga for him. So then you sport Steph Jimmy, Jalen
Draymond and Bobby Portist. I can definitely see something happen
like that, weird just so you get something back for Cominga.
I think Phoenix, I think I think Phoenix will love
Cominga though, like he fit perfectly in that with beside
(01:51:37):
the book. So I can see them getting an asset,
but I don't want to see that.
Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
We're gonna see some changes, Bron happen, or or you can.
Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Send them to Milwaukee and Brooklyn brook Low Pazz to Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
No, they don't they need you. They need you.
Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
They need in center jr.
Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Oh yeah, and the Cary has a great point after
what Draymond said the jailing, that's not happening. He probably
gonna be Remember he's talking about nails getting painted and
stuff on the court and talking a lot of that.
Ship to him.
Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Chris Middleton thirty three million.
Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Didn't actually fighted that, so I don't know about he
probably actually fighted that, all right, Yo, Any last words
before we sign out. Nope, I ain't gotten the thunder Man.
Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Shout to the thunder Shout out to Okay, see.
Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Hey, shout out to Tyres Speedy, recovery to tyrese man.
Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Yeah, spit recovered, Tyres, j T and Dan. Yeah, man,
y'all get healthy. The agency gonna be crazy, though, Ship.
Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
There's a lot of star player star power missing in
the league next year, last the season. Yeah, but Kyrie
gonna be back.
Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
I'm just saying for half the season. This is at
least we get to see Kyrie though. That's what I'm saying.
We don't get We won't get to see those guys
till twenty six seven. Yeah, twenty sixth season. Shit, them
niggas got hurt late in the playoffs. Yeah, we won't
see We won't see them in til twenty six twenty seven,
not twenty five, twenty six.
Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Definitely want to see Tyres.
Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Yeah, I know we won't see that. I mean Katie Took.
I think Katie said the precedent. Bro, you're taking two
years off, a year and a half at least, because
he's the only one that's come back looking back to
pretty much normal with his Achilles injury. Right, yeah, he
lowk he might have played better after it. Yeah, all right, y'all, Okay,
we'll see y' all right Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Appreciate y'all. All Right, he's
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