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Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's good, y'all. Welcome to the motherfucking Baljas. Ready wild
up in here, yo, it's patting the camera on Charlie
right now.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
He's dying of laughter. People listen.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
So we got the usual cast. We got Anti double
A Champ. I'm not going to say how long ago.
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Age him age me. Hey.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
In my opinion, Toronto great one year dropped forty eight
mister Charlie V.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Wait a minute, yeah, forty eight. Yeah, that's the rookie
record for likes. Yeah, forty eight. Yeah, Rebound's point. I
still got that still today. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I didn't know that you did an interview with him, bro.
In fact, I didn't know that. I've done a lot
of how many interviews have I done?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Probably like a hundred? Okay exactly.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
We got obviously my main man, yes, Charlie, we got
my main man, THEO. We've been building for a little bit.
We got THEO Pinson twenty seventeen and NT double.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
H have a good people, go get your murder. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Also, do you guys also know THEO has a real
creator around him?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
M hm mm hmm. It's called theol pincon Roll.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Did you know that it's because you know, he was
pissing off the team because he looked like he was
wearing home. Jersey passed the ball the ball to balance,
so it's called the theold Pinson roll.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Peters up.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Peter's fixing up the camerangle, so we can't pull up
the graphic. About to ask him to pull up. God damn, Peter,
don't even worry about it. And then we got somebody
that was probably cooking THEO and Puerto Rico Rico probably
cooking THEO.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
You can have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You have a conversation, pull up the pull up the graphic, Peter.
I need I need the Jamaican air horns. We got
our guest, mister Manuel Moody in the building lottery pick.
He's a busting ass in Puerto Rico. Y McDonald's all American.

(01:53):
Make sure we give a warm welcome for our guy man.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
You know, Okay, yes, sir, walking to the show. Hey
for discretion here, Hey listen, I got the last dub,
you got the last that was That was my first.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Time beating though. But was he cooking you though? I
mean you have like eighteen I think I have. Yeah,
he went.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Window, What was going on in warm up sto.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
He was like, he said, so we weren't playing for nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
We was done most I told him, I said, where
y'all looking at warm ups? We're gonna get you all
to night. Y'all are to relaxed, to relax. Came in
there b t A Actually it wasn't b T. Y'all
about was up. They came back. He found me at
the end of the game.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It was not a fum. He found me. We can
playing the clip playing for anything though, Yeah, we were
in the playoffs. They weren't right.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
No was going it's gonna be my off night, like
I'm playing player so but but.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
That don't count though, Bro, they were playing for nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Come on, bro, they were trying to win.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Hey man, all right, man, will listen. We'll appreciate you
pulling up on the show.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Appreciate be back tomorrow for all the people back tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
But yo, man, talk about how Puerto rican in the last
two years, have you enjoyed it? What's that been like, man,
Puerto Rico has been It's been live, man, it's been fun.
A lot of talent coming through, a lot of NBA
talent coming through too, So it's been definitely been great
for me. Uh, I fell in love with the game again.
So it's been It's been fun.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Man. It's competitive fans they go crazy if he can.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
It makes you want to play for sure, and it's
it's a better lead than you think too. So it's
like a lot of competition, short, short season, but it's fun.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, just to piggyback on that.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
He was telling me for ship two years, like I'm
telling you, go to Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I'm the Puerto Rico dog. You will love it.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
And the thing is, Bro, the passion of the fans
is just way way higher than you. Not not that
you expect, but it was something new for me. It
was like it was kind of college on steroids. When
I'm telling you, someone got a lob dunk on on
me and they fireworks fire flying all over the ship.

(04:18):
I'm like, what the hell going on? And they really
care about hoops there, They really care about I seen
the first hands with Bookie Cousins, Bro, very passionate. It
gains real hectic over there. It is some good talent
the league. It's just getting better and better. I'm going back,
going back, So we're gonna We're gonna try to do

(04:39):
the same. We're going back.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
To be there.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Let's take care of dr first. We're going to want
to go to China. Yeah, y'all did say crazy. A
lot of customs for that.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I got my visa though, but we got ours because
I'm with it. Do the China joint. I'm with it.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
How many teams in the Puerto Rican League? Burton just asked, Yeah,
I think it's sixty side, I think how many?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
How many? Like is there a rule like how many?
Like three imports?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Imports? Yeah, it was three last year.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
But I did the last two years, so it was
two at first last year.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
They chanced to three this year.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think they Are you considering the import as long as
you play or do you have to play certain amount
of years?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Actually that's a good question because some people there are
most keep real. Most of them are Americans, but they're
Puerto Rican American. Like you know, they was raising they
went to college year raised that.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
It's tricky the Puerto Rican Americans. But when it's I
mean to America, right, it's atory of America.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right from what I've been correct.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
They don't feel they don't feel that they don't It's
the funny part is a bunch of niggas out there
will be like, like, wait a minute, You're not then
important right now?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
What a nigga?

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I played you in college? You are from America, from Balkas. Bro,
fucking Miami, Bro. This is hilarious. No, but it's a
great league. I'm looking forward to it again this year.
And my man, he got MVP though, m VP, that's
not what was the numbers looking like?

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Sure, I know you know about twenty three, twenty three,
twenty four, like five and five around there.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Something you got to respect, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
I ain't go to college though, So it's funny because
that rule was different to me, like three seconds and
the paintings and that in the league, you know you're
don't do that.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
So I learned a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Find the game was easier, like in terms of just
spacing or because obviously three key, that's a dumb question.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
We gonna move.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Were laughing for another reason. We laughed for another reason.
It's not easier.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
No, it's I can I even say that it's not easier.
But you have freedom, bro, you have you have more
freedom because you know what you can do. You feel
like honestly yourself though you know what I mean, like
stuff that you probably was held back from in the
league or whatnot. That you know, you got a certain
role in the league, but over there you're the main guy.
So you feel like how probably Luca will feel here,

(07:10):
or you know what I mean, certain people will feel here.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
That's exactly what I was about to say.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, it's a totally different feeling there because now we
know what Luca, when you go out there, I think
that that's what makes you a superstar though, you know
what I'm saying, when you feel like you could just
go out there and do whatever the fuck you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I was shooting twelve threes again, Listen, No, I watched
one game. I think he shot sixteen. Bro.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
I was like, oh, forty one from three. If you
get sixteen three, you've got to make at least six seven.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
You good, and like, you know what I mean. But
though he you know, he wasn't able to shoot her.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
No, you know, shooting forty Come on, bro, got we
got shooters run.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Something something I did want to touch on Low. It's
good to hear because he said it before. Obviously you
just said it. You got your love back for the
game because a lot of people. It was their love
for the game that yeah, they don't understand it's a
circumstantial league. So you know, obviously talk about talk about
your journey a little bit. Obviously top ten pick, how
was that, man, Like, you know, navigating the league is
always is a little tricky.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, man, definitely a blessing to get picked that high
for sure, and changed my life, changed my family's life.
At the same time, though, you're starting over. That's what
people don't understand, Like your basketball life is really starting
over because now you're coming in with grown men, you
know what I mean, They feeding their family and a
lot of the times you think, like some some I'm

(08:32):
not gonna say, ah, some vets they're not happy with
a young person coming in and you know what I mean,
they get to play right away, they taking their spot,
whatever the case may be. So for me, it was
an adjustment. But at the same time, you know, I
made some mistakes early. It was different. It was It
was a good experience for me though, and I learned
a lot, to be honest with you, But I was
in different for a little bit and then I felt

(08:55):
like it was time to move on. So then I
went to New York and then the Knicks. Yeah, Nicks
was fun. I ain't gona lot nigga. Kicks was funt.
You both are drafted seventh.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
That's crazy. Drafted seventh overall, So that's what what was
the crazy? Have you seen what they're making now compared
to what like, of course that's crazy to talk about that,
like I think the seventh bro Man, Yeah, it might be.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, when was there? Four years is like fifty something?
What was it when you when you got drafted it
was like twelve? Yeah, I mean I was running the
same around twelve twelve.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
You're getting like two and a half your first year
and half and he was up a little bit. They
make what you guys make for your whole contract two years.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
They getting get in the bag now. Yeah, that's great, bro.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I want to talk about this, and like I said,
c you can chime in on it too, just to
after basketball part, not even after basketball, but finding that
love again because you talked about how you lost it
right for a minute, I'm glad you brought that up.
You got a lot of guys and there's a lot
of NBA guys that went overseas this year that's making
that jump.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like listen, I'm not waiting. I'm not putting up with
this shit no more.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Even though it's not ship like you're just there's a
lot of players that's not themselves in the NBA. For sure,
that's okay because you got to fit that role for
that team. But there's a lot of guys going overseas.
Now what is like what was it for you that
made you go overseas? And like what can they expect
doing that?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Now? Yes, to see you on me?

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I ain't over see no, No, I mean, I mean
I kind of went volve on your stuff for saying
this last time on the Runner race. But I think
when you fight in the political battle, that's a you know,
I mean, that's a tough fight, bro. So it's like,
I'll say it again, I got no shame saying it.
If somebody's making twenty five million whatever, thirty million you making,

(10:44):
like we just said three four, like majority of the time,
they're gonna go with what they invested in it. No
matter how you know, how they playing, they will force
that person to start playing well you get what I'm saying.
So like they have a longer leash and with you
was probably a little shorter. So yeah, you fight through.
That fight is something that you probably can't win. Sometimes

(11:04):
you can't, sometimes you can't. But it just depends on
the circumstances.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I think.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
I always say is like getting drafted seven is cool,
But now I think about it, I was like, was
it the right situation for me?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Though?

Speaker 4 (11:15):
So you got to be in the best situation for
yourself to where you can thrive, you know what I mean.
So so I think now making that jump is just
like you're getting older, You're like, man, if I still
love this game, I'm trying to maximize what I can
with this game. Like I'm not about to sit around
and just basically let them kind of toy with you. You
feel me, So it's like, let me just go out
there and do what I do and do that at
the level, at a high level.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I know I can do it.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
As the og og, I want to ask you this
and then as the og og, how do you know
a situation is right for you? You need to move
on or you need to stay put and figure it
out in your opinion? Shit, Like for me, like when
I got drafted by Toronto number seven, I felt like
that was the right situation for me because Toronto wasn't
really a good team. You know, sometimes you get drafted

(12:00):
to a team and that team is supposed to be
a bad team, that's what they got in the lottery.
But some of the times it's a good team you're
being And I don't know, for you got.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Draft, I got Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
They always was like if they had to play in
back then they're always being playing, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Like for me, I mean Toronto was a good situation
for me because I did get the playing time right.
There wasn't a vat, they weren't vets ahead of me,
but they were kind of on their way out. So
I was kind of like that that new that new
thing coming in, a new player coming in, that they
was gonna let him rock out. And they did let

(12:40):
me rock out. But I've been on some bad teams.
Just call it what it is. And that's one thing
I know, you guys both talked about like the politics
of the game, bro. I fucking hate that ship, bro.
I hate the politics of the game, bro. And that's
why you know, for me, like I'm gonna touch on
the loving part, like I felt I fell out of
love of the game too, but I never recovered from

(13:03):
that like once the love was gone, it was gone.
Like for you to like to gain that back, it's dope.
But for me, it's like, and that's why I didn't
want to play overseas. That's why, Like for me, if
it's like I'm done and I retire thirty one years old,
which is crazy, I played eleven eleven. Yeah, from twenty

(13:23):
to eleven, I mean twenty twenty years old to thirty one.
So yeah, I kept mendy for that, like to find
that love. That was dope, to find that love. And
then now you got your you know you do you think? Nah?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
You was that dope? Love was gone. I was done.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's like it's like it's like an ex girlfriend, bro,
like you broke up and it was like it's like
a hard marriage.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's like a rap. So you know what I mean.
I got a quick question for you.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Did you actually think it was a good fit because
you and CB played the same position as that time?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
At that time, I thought it was because you can
play me and and you can kind of go small,
meaning four.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Or five didn't really do that five six there.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
We didn't really do that much. I went three, we
went three, four, I remember that. But that's when you know,
Jalen Rose ended up getting traded to the Knicks and
then they put me at the three spot.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Cool. We got two questions and sorry, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
So I thought it was a good fit to be honest,
because Chris and I were we're young, and then not
to compare us to David Robinson and Tim Duncan, but
like those are. But I was like, okay, so here's
a thing, you know what I'm saying where you can
play too big.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
But that was a conversation in Toronto. I remember, like
it's a it's a big man parent that can grow together.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Correct. Correct? I was way more versatile too. Yeah. Yeah,
your time.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
So two questions, I guess we'll start with if you
found the love back, would you try to get back
in the league?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I mean you never that's you want to stay home
if you can stay home in the country and obviously
play with the best time that there is, So yeah,
for sure, I'll definitely try to get back in there
if it was possible.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah. Cool.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
And do you still have love for the game now?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Is yeah? Absolutely? Shure, I'm talking about hoops right now. Listen.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I love the game as a fan like outside of
the league, right, the league is I love the league
because you always as a kid on the dream and
be on the NBA, and then once you're in there,
you're like, oh, maybe the same.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
What I That's that's really what did it for me.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
It's like, man, I thought this was basketball. I thought
you rode the ball, you go.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
It's so it's not about when the business part of
it started happening. It's like and that's where we talked
about it yesterday, being young. If you're doing if you're
doing that as an eighteen nineteen year old, you're doing
that to an eighteen nineteen year that's tough. Yeah, I
don't I don't know how mentally they can comprehend. They're

(15:49):
not mature enough. You're not mature enough to handle that,
especially if you're a second round pick. You know what
I'm saying, Like when you when all your mistakes, you
can't have no more stakes. You can barely make a mistake.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
As a damn first round Yeah, I mean you have
the second rounder ship. I mean, it depends on coaching.
It depends on coach.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Mike Malone was my coach when I got there. Tough
coach to coach.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
It depends on the situation too, right, because there's some
sometimes you have a longer leash.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know I didn't have that bad Mitchell. Yeah I
had Sam Mitchell. Yeah he was cool.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Speaking of situations, this is a pretty controversial just came
out today or you know, I saw it today. Ben
Wallace said that if the Detroit Pistons drafted Carmelo Anthony
second overall, they never win a title. So some of
its context, as it says on the screen, is it
would disrupt the team chemistry. You know, Darko's willing to

(16:55):
sit on the bench. You can't do that with Mellow.
Mellow has to play right away. Heyshaun would not have
become the player he was because he had to play. Obviously,
everybody here, I'm sure remembers Tashawn Blockham, Reggie Miller. Don't
know if Melow does that, it's not the same player.
What's everybody's thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:13):
You want me to get that one? I mean, I
play with Ben, you can start now, Yeah, I play
with Ben. He's right, I will agree with him. Mellow
changes the dynamic of the team because now he becomes
a focal point. You know, Detroit was known for playing
team basketball. I mean, if you think about it, they
almost had I think, like five All Stars one year

(17:35):
they make it, but they have four.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I don't know if those guys.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Would have blossom and had that chemistry with Melo there,
because Mellow is a ball dominant kind of player. He
commands the ball right, So I think that was just
would have thrown off the team.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Man is he ball dominant if he's a rookie though,
that's his game. Though, that's his game as a school
got to give him.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
So I think Chauncey couldn't have been the Chauncey in
my opinion, because Chauncey was leading that whole team. You
got Hamilton coming off screens doing that, you know what
I mean. So I don't think now couldn't Mellow adjusted.
I think maybe, but to win a championship. Don't think
he would have been a good fit for them for sure.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think they get more champions to one. I think
they have a chance to beat the Lakers. I haven't
think they have a chance to beat all the motherfuckers
because at the end of the day, think about it,
we're talking about we talked about this yesterday and you
weren't here, But Stephen Curry, right, you can put him
on any team you got, adjust to him. He's the

(18:39):
generational talent. Ben Wallace, you're justin the Camaralo Anthony, not adjusted.
We're not playing for Ben Wallace right away though, Young Melo,
Young Mellow who just came off for national championship a
fucking issue.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
That's why you're not winning. So Melo already, So that's so.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Did she wanted adjust to Broun so that Cleveland just
bron eventually Miami exactly eventually away with Miami eventually adjusted
Dwayne Wade eventually exactly, That's what I'm saying. But somebody
would have to go somebody winning team right then and

(19:23):
there could Mellow play six man and just get you
eighteen off.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
No, no, he's not coming back.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Larry Brown was that coach, the head coach on that team,
and he yeah, I don't think he's going for none
of the Mellow one on one this and that, like
he had a I because a I wass only option.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Really he had no other score.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
So him being the coach, he I know Larry like
he's he wants That's why we played the right way
every single time. You know what I mean, so, I
think that's a major fact that you got to throw
in there.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's probably why they didn't draft.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
But what I will say though, is Mellow took a
seventeen win team and won forty nine games next year
when he was drafted an average twenty one sixty nine.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
But he was he was a focal point.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I think you were talking about a rookie that came
in and change the team from seventeen wins to forty.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
You put those type If you put those type of
vets around Mellow, he might have a different granted Hall
of Famer, right, we might. We may look at Mellow
a whole different realm NBA wise if he had those
come on, we talked about it and listen, having those vets.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Melo was my favorite, one of my favorite players growing up.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Like, I love Mello, but I think it's so hard
for me to picture him with Detroit because that's that's
just not his his Yes, it's it's not his game.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
So I think him going to Denver allowed him to
be Mellow.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, to be Mellow.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
But like I said, everything is a great situation because
at the end of the day, he got to go
there and shoot all the ball. Yeah, right, he'd have
to worry about that. But when I might think Mellow
wil won a championship, how to win?

Speaker 1 (21:04):
This is what I This is what I want to
say for sure. Right the context of the quote that
I saw there was that they never win a title.
I think they might win one in two thousand and eight,
thousand and nine, I win one.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Eventually.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I think they probably would have figured out or could
have went south. Melow not happy. Let me ask you this, right,
it's the same thing with Brian. Why did why would
they have to move over for Brin? He was a rookie,
but Cleveland was come on, it was not a good team,
but they're still a good What do you mean when
they drafted when they drafted Troy, I'm not talking about Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know, trot was a good team already.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
So you're like, they were winning, we don't need him,
they don't need him. Yeah, that's where they drafted Darko.
They only won one, like they they went to but.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
They went to like five, six or seventh. Eastern Conference.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Gets you over that pump? Boston got the Big Three?
Does Mellow get you over that hump?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Though?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
But what Melow does you even get there exactly? But
you can he's a rookie, right, you're saying he's a rookie.
You can help him get you over that hump.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I mean also to like, you know, if you have
Chauncey ben Sheet and those are different vets.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
He's not talking crazy to she Ben? Is he talking
crazy to Ben So?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
But there's a thing though, you know what if you
have different bats, I think they could get him in
line and get him to buy in and.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Play his role. But notation was such an important lare
on that team.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
You.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Like, that's okay to his point, that's too much talent.
That how you're going to manage all that talent? Sure,
and that's one of the hardest things to do.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Would you would you take let's say, all right, bet,
we'll take uh, we'll take uh mellow, but we gotta
get rid of rip.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I'm doing every day. I'm doing that every day week,
the rip.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Because I'm buying Carol. I'm not going I'm not doing it.
Six figures in your pocket. You're doing that.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
I'm not doing doing it. I'm not doing not doing it,
I'm doing it. I'm not doing it. I mean that that.
That's ultimately okay, we got from Rip. We gotta take,
we gotta take.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Uh. We needed our glue guy.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
We're gonna keep Rips playing at He's at the peak
right now, he's at the peak. You bringing in young Mellow,
all right, we'll give You're gonna put Mellow the two.
Huh you think about about the game talking about how
many chimps do they win? Think about game? I think
constantly moving without the ball, right, and you putting shooters

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around them?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
No, no, no, no, no, you didn't put shooters around Rip.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I mean, I don't think it changes with Mellow lim
don't let me. Don't let me not mellow and rip me.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
But that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
But to me, what that team specifically needed, they needed
a guy like that.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I think you can just change the way you play
a little bit. She can stretch the flour. Is she
not one of the origins?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
But she got ripped on steroids. I wouldn't say that. No,
Rip is so different, just a different player.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Bro Ripples eighteen ripples twelve to twenty feet out right shooter.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
He was shoot it Midbrady's game was crazy crazy. But
here's the thing that I'm saying Mellow is ripped on steroids.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Is if you gave Mellow a bunch of open eighteen footers,
he's knocking that a lot of those down.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
But he's coming off pin downs. You think Mellow not not?

Speaker 4 (24:30):
You think Melow want to run throughout that much because
he's the med Mellow. I'm saying, do you want he
wanted to do all the pin downs? Then go down
there and.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Stay Yeah, bro, And then you got to think about
Mellow at that rim too. He on that rim.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
But but like, do they not have the spacing to
make it work? You got She's sitting on them three
she can shoot it, Shawn could shoot it, and Chauncey
so it's only Ben and Mellow that can work in
the thin. Ben's not really working down there. But I'm
just saying we don't need him. You have the traditional
spacing we don't back in the day. I can see
it's still working.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I think it was wild to just say we wouldn't
because being in Seed and Chauncey, they would have made
it work. They would have made that work. So you're
gonna tell me think about what Ben just said. Right,
He's there every day dealing with these guys. He should
know better, right at the end of the day, he

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knows better than we will know. Yeah, so I'm gonna
have to agree with him on that. Actually know he
actually I played again? Did he play with Mellow?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Would have been like so he's talking about the unknown.
He's only talking about what he sees, not the flip
side of it. If you bring Mellow in.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I understand that part. But Mellow isn't Mellow on that.
That's the same Mellow in Detroit. He's not because he's
not gonna have the same role as he did into that.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Can't he evolve to that? Yes? I think he would.
He would, He would have evolved in it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
He would have been like a sixteen eighteen point score
for his first three four years. Chauncey's a little old
Thereshi's a little all right, Melo's.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Gonna cook mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
But I also think that chemistry, it didn't fun when
they drafted Darkle didn't fuck up the chemistry.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
But they knew Darker wouldn't take the ball out their hand.
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Now, when you're throwing Mellow in it, now, you gotta adjust,
You gotta change ship and it might have took in
a couple of years. And who's who's to say that
fucking rip ain't tight? Like fu is I mind? I
mean ultimately, you know what I'm saying that get rid
of him. It ultimately worked out for Hi because they
end up winning the chip with the next year four four. Okay,
so then they're like, all right, cool whatever. But the
same time, dog like, at some point, I think you

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win a chip with Mellow.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
At some point Mellow didn't Mellow he wanted to go there,
didn't he? Yeah he did, he did. Yeah, he wanted
to go. Remember, correctly, he wanted to go.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I fault by the way, they won forty three games
on forty nine. He would have sent forty three correctly.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's still a lot. I mean, it's still a big different.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
He would have I don't like to say fall in
line because he had grown ass man.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
He would have a large party. He would have bought it.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think he has the vets to buy in because
those of.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Them they don't agree with that. On that team on Detroit,
who was like, uh, who was the star? Who was
ball dominant?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't think a single person was ball dominant.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Now you add that piece to that mix. Think, let
me ask you that. I'm gonna ask you this.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
They had a chance to get Lebron James, do they
draft him? Yes, Lebron James a whole different anybody.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
But you can't compare different type of player. Come on, Bro,
I get where Charlie's coming from.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
But no, no, no, you dance. You can't tell me
you see where he's coming from. You're saying ball dominant.
Lebron James is ball dominant. Not But at that time,
Lebron James isn't ball dominant.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
But now we see him now, I feel like first sting,
Bron was definitely like a different person that we've seeing
right now.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
He's moving the ball, moving the ball like Bron always
makes the right proker like. It's a little different playmaker
could make plays.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
But he can make play making for others.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Bron's touching the ball every time. Mellow Mellow. Mellow a
volume score or is he a playmaker volume score? What
is Lebron volume? He's a playmaker.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Maker, He's both. He does it all.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Exactly, but Mellows doesn't do at all. Mellow is more
of a volume score.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I don't see the difference in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
So what I would say, see how you as a GM.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Don't I don't see. I'm gonna gt.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Charlie back on this though, right damn Adding Mellow as
a whole different dynamic to the team. So saying that
they're not gonna win, I think it's crazy because when
you add you had a three level scorer that can
score any Mellow is the top five scorer in the league.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Fact, the weird part is saying never, never, they would
have had to adjust.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
But that's.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
But it's not the same team. If Mellow is there,
somebody's leaving.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
But they might be better. Maybe we don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
So never adding a generational talent. It's not like you're
adding fucking Anthony Bennett.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
But the is Melo generational talent? Yes he is. He's
a top ye A, top ten scorer.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Ever, he's a top top ten, top five whatever, he's
a general.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
A lot of people can't sew like him. I'm just throwing
the question out there.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
I about to kick you doing it out there. Question
you want to kill all.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yea? Is he a generational player?

Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's all we all say, Yes, generational player.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
I'm just asking you know what I'm asking you now,
but what what what is a generational player?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
To that is is.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Subjective right to what is a generational player? James, that's
one of one. I mean that's he's the.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Very generational yes one hundred when we keeople nonetheless generational?
KD wh Yes, is Katie generational?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
You can't say Lucas. I can't.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, you're right, you can't say Lucas more generational than Mellow.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
At this moment. Is Katie the generational?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, the Mellows generational, Melow generational.
You put Melon those gonna say words, they win two.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Titles as well. Mellow's generation, they win two dollars. If
you put Melo on that team.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
The only thing they were missing was someone that can
get a bucket and crunch time. That team had everything
other than that. That's why they lost in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
I mean, question that's always thrown out there. It's always
do you get about it? K What year was that?
What was mellow ed in twenty seventeen? What team was
you know your looked at it?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Nicks?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Was he.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, that's a tough one. You still averaging twenty five
twenty three? Probably he's a problem. Melo is a problem.
Is a problem. He's a problem. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
So so you're still saying no, No, I'm saying he is. No,
I'm nothing with Generational. I'm saying that you don't win
the championship ever with Mellow.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't know. I don't think it's same team bron
That's not the question.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Do they ever win one? In his fifteen twenty yere playing?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Its hard? Bro?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I say no, Okay. My thing is, that's a lot
of firepower. If you could keep Chauncey, you can keep
You could keep what I'm saying, you're drafting. You're drafting him.
You literally get to pick. Somebody's gonna have to go.
Melos never won a chip, right, No, he wins a chip.
He ever came close? Yeah, Western Conference.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
With him? Yeah, he was on that team. Yea was
on the team. Listen, played with him older. Let me
ask you guys, he was cool, he was playing was older.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Let me ask you guys this, what can you get
for Rip and on the trade put as a two.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
At that time? What could you get from m.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
You could you could get a lot back to you
could get an get a whole lot to replace Rip.
Put that out there too, Anyways, speaking of giving flower want.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Detroit team though, if you really sit back and think
about it, they were well put together. Like you had
your Sondy, you had like your Dennis Rahman type of dude.
Defender rebounded. They didn't need to didn't need to shoot
the ball offensively. You know, he'll get the offensive rebounds Wallace.
Then you have your Hie Wallace as as your floor,

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he's spreading the floor. Then you have a defender he's
missed the intangible blue guy. You got fucking running around
in all the screen shooting mid range. And then you
got fucking Chauncey Billups.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Bro, I think that's the only team to win with
all the top seventy five player in history.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I don't think that's crazy to me. Like, think about it, Bro,
that team was nice. Bro.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Then don't forget about the bench. Mccd was on that team, right,
They had a very solid team.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Bro. Now you throw mellowing there, they fucking even better.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
No, the we talking about that's a tough one, Bro,
I don't even key.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
But the key one is do they ever win one?
Do they ever get one? Whatever? What are you going with?
Yes or no?

Speaker 4 (33:09):
M I'm gonna say I'm gonna say, no, the dynamic
would have had to change.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Bro Hey man, that's that's their opinion.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
There a loud cool.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Now if when Melo said he was going to Miami,
if he would have win, now that's different.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
At that time he was ready, Yeah, yeah, I got you.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Can you imagine Mellow went instead of Bosh. What does
that team even look?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I don't think that. I don't even think it works.
I don't think it works.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
So what's the difference thing, That's what I'm saying. So
what's the difference with that? I don't think that works.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Just Dwayne, Wade, Bron and Carmel. There's three people that
need the basketball. There's only one person that really needs
a basketball the Detroit team. Chauncey can do whatever. She
can play his role, Ben plays his role. Melos the
only guy that needs the basketball.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
The reason why I said, but I don't think Chauncey
was dominating in him in his his own way. So
I don't think Chauncey becomes who Chancey became that year
with the Mellow being there.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
As well or MV. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
he took over like at that time they I understand
the point. I'm not going to disagree that. I'm just
saying they get more than one day have mellow.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
But I think I think you guys make a good point.
The team was built the way it is. But we
can't I don't think us two can speak to see
what's that team.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Look, I'm thinking i'm thinking too much of four when
they actually want it. So if we're thinking long term, yeah,
probably probably.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
What's a dynamic? Like when you add something that dynamic
to your offense, it's a whole different problem term yoh so,
But speaking of giving flowers, let's give flowers to the
four time MVP man a a four time MVP, Miss Wilson.
She was cooking this year. Shout to the ass Jules
a tie league member.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
They got BTA Yes Sunday.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, they got built to ass Sunday.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
But he'll bounce back to twenty fourteen. Yeah, twenty fourteen,
we got to go good for Long's a statue in Vegas,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
She already got one status South Carolinas about to get
another one.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
How many championship got to to? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Statues? Yeah that's super tough, bro. She's been cold like
that for a long time, bro, long long time to go?

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Even a question, you're gonna take that away from your
Yukon Maya more? You think more VP Diana my goal?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Tough? Why is Diana your go?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I mean she's still the all times she'll take over.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Why is she not the go? Now?

Speaker 3 (35:37):
How many more m v ps you need to get satisfy?

Speaker 2 (35:40):
I mean, just more longevity? What you can start?

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, then technically I would have Maya. Maya's over her?

Speaker 2 (35:47):
How many I don't know? V one?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
My only she got four championship, she played career, yeah,
and she was a problem.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
But why why are you acting like that.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Question?

Speaker 1 (36:04):
We already know Yukon is by far the most dominant
programmed women's basketball.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
That's not a question. That's man. How many ships I got?
A man's six.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Carolina I got No, you don't know, yah, don't look
it up.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
He got six, bro.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
They try to say that that one don't count.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
No type it up.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
This man trying to like twenty four. The fact that
Yukon small last school is in the same They.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Say it's retroactive. They don't count that, bro. It wasn't
the NT double A or something else.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Ukon a small lass. Fucking school seven. It's in the
same conversations in North Carolina. Seven.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Come on, I mean, okay, but hold on, you would
us you're chasing us. I'm not chasing who's more relevant
right now? Who has?

Speaker 3 (36:55):
First of all, you have the most chips and you
twenty five years?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
We got it probably you guys. Yeah, you guys want
to who's the first school ever? When men's and women
at the same time.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I was like, I said, you can't put women's into this,
y'all have clearly.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, we're talking about the men's programs right now. Okay,
who has who has a goal? Who's the goals to go?
Come on, ye talk about let's compare.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Let's come say who has to go in the last
twenty five years? We have the same manner. But Mike
mikel was nice, But no, we don't. Don't.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, don't.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
We got what we got to talk about, like the
programs you developed like that.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
When he's talking for we won our first one to
nineteen ninety nine four you guys twenty three but you
keep going.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So you has a title chips. Let's talk about starting fires?
Who has a better starting fire? Who's produced more talent?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
No, you ain't see that's part of it. She got
that better talent.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
We got Jesus though, and they got they got they
got black Jesus.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Shut you right there too, right, Karan Yeah, Rip Gordon
TVV yeah and Drummon Yeah, said.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Right, I got some guys. Yeah who your goat in
w NBA.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
I love mine more, bro, But that's the preference. Though
about Asia, I think what she's doing for vps you
can't top that. And Diana's arritty too. Bro's it's hard, bro,
when you talking about goats. Bro, it's I don't basic
just off of m v p s because shoot, Lebron
can have eight m vps right now, though you know
what I mean like that if we were talking about
the straight strictly MVPs. But my more, Bro, she played

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shorter and I think she was winning championship.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Can we from my own perspective? And twenty eleven is
when she's drafted. She wanted a rookie, and she wanted
twenty thirteen, twenty fifteen, and twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Retired in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
That sounds crazy, fan. She chose to leave at her peak,
and she chose.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
To That's why it's hard for me. Like, if you're
talking about the short career, I can't pick anybody over mind.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
And then she won like three and I can't.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
You're short you short changed this, But that means you're
mad Asian.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I'm tired about it.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
But Asian only has eight years in the league too
as well.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Right now, I just saw you just said four and
six years four.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
But she has eight years in the league, is what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Just want four m vps and tough man that she
just wont four m vps in the last six years.
That's crazy. That it's crazy. Come on, bro, nobody else,
nobody else ever, nobody's ever done that, nobody's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
She's a go now, she's She's the greatest. All you
got is the greatest all time.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
That's pure down.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
You've been be able to go back to Yukon. That's
pure You're good anywhere.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I know this Parker rookie year went MVP and championship. Bro,
if she didn't have championships, for sure, she wouldn't be
to go. She got two you.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Got to Miles only got one MVP. Just so you
guys know, bro, Yeah, I set up four chips. I
mean two chips, four MVPs. How many defensive players she
got three? She's a trophy from the size of I'm
with you, I'm with you. She's insane, Bro, Maya. If

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we're talking about that, but I feel so you're going,
I'm going Maya.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Bro, I I'm going I'm going Diana because I can't
pick Maya.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
But if he couldn't move longevity, But then you gotta
pick Diana because she's only eight years in two.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
You know how many? How many does Diana half championship?
Just because you tried more times don't mean you to
fucking go.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Okay, Okay, So then so then I have that Maya
then and then I have Maya.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
You can't, I got if I'm moving.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Maya's career has been better than Asia.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You can't just because you're throwing m v p s dominant, just.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Because you've been the best play okay, because you've been
the best player to leave four years.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Always said this, Bro, don't be a prisoner at the moment,
bron moment right now.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, Age is killing for me. She just won.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Age is great to me. It will be one A,
one B. But I'm gonna go with it. If you
can do it in a short thing.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I'm not saying, Maya, that's like saying, okay, understand, I
hear what you're saying. That's like putting dere rolls that
one year like, don't be a product?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
What just happened? Deck Rose? That one year player got?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
She has won four m v ps. How many four
m v ps have we ever seen?

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Are we only basing this off m v P s? Yes? Okay,
I am to him. That's your criteria. Diana, Diana.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Diana is the closest to I don't. I think Asia
needs to play a couple more years. That's what eventually
becomes the goal. But what else does you have to
do to make y'all feel like she's the go so
to you?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
To you m v ps is what is what tells you?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Years? What I'm telling you is if she didn't have to,
if she had one, I say no, yes, two?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
He has two championships, four m vps. How many Defensive
Player of the.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Years she got got three?

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Three different defensive player? She has three gold medals? What
the fuck else does she have to prove that everybody
she's the best player that right now.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
That is the all time leading scorer. She played twenty
years in the league.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
She has more longevity, that's why.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
But if agent you also know Diana Siddo a couple
of years because she went to play in Russia. You
know that too, right when she was at her peak.
I think to get her bread.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
How many MVPs she got? Got one? Dang? But I
also a bucket fan.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
But cool, that's a cool that's cool, that's cool, that's cool.
I'm gonna tell you who else a bucket? Mellow be
a bucket. He the best ever no buckets in the league.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Three time champion. But that's that's my argument to get
to I'm giving it to her. You're just saying right now,
you can right.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Now because the longevity is not there from you time.
And if we're moving on jevity, I'm picking Maya Moore.
Is there really a big problem that?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I think it's a big problem.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Man.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
When when you go home type of Maya bro, you're
gonna see you was dominant dominant ship.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
She has to be dominant to have four MVP is
dominant just as dominant. And she won four chips in
eight years, not just as dominant as her That's crazy. Wow,
she's that's why.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
He buys because AhR our class twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
So you cool? Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
I think Maya Moore was very fucking good. She's elite.
But you're not gonna say here and discredit this woman.
Nobody discredited her. Bro She's right there. I get it.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
How I don't know, y'all.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Have to So is it just one more championship she
has to get? Do you want the championship?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Champions What does she has to do for another four years?
And what am I to do for you? Play four years?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
So she's gonna get two more MVP in the next
four years. She gave me six m vps. I cannot
I can my head, No, she gives That's what we're asking.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Can I make an argument?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
We're asking people to.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Be making make an argument Larry Bird better than Kobe
Bryant because he has three MVPs?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
What did you say?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
It's Larry Bird better than Kobe Bryant because he's not.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That's it. But what's the difference. What makes a difference difference?
So what's the difference different? What's the difference better Wilson?
I think Wilson, I think a Wilson is better.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Than my all right, hey man, not better than my man?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Bro, have you seen Maya so y'all would pick y'all
would pick Maya More before Asia Wilson.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
You your GM, you would pick Maya Moore before A Wilson.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
I will beat your ass. I got a Defensive Player
of the Year and the d P on the office.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
I'm gonna beat your ass.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Listen, you can have all your little I was about
to say, wow, say say we.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Would have got cast.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
You are fucking wild. It's cool year for eight years.
Let him know every year.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Let me ask you this, Let me ask you this.
I tried. I just apologize. Let me ask you this
that who was.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Who was on Minnesota's team, Who's on Who's on team?
Who's on Minnesota's team? We're done, bro, Minnesota team, both of.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Them, they with each other.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
But that said, listen, that says a lot. You're still
the big dogs. I'm telling you I think they win.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Be still literally said you'll.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Beat my ass and winning championship.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Women.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
No, no, no, but no, I think you gotta you gotta
look at what you just said, though, Bro, You're basically saying, like.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
My Maya's game was crazy. Bro at that point she
was Jordan, but the girls Jordan of the w n
B A I ain't rolling.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
You just haven't seen enough. That's that's that's fine to
say I was old enough to watch Maya more. I
was old enough to watch anymore. There's nobody that has
purely dominated a game like fucking Asiel Wilson. So is
it the same with both ends of the floor. She
has controlled everything.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I would argue Canni's Parker her peak.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I said there earlier for rookie year she won m
v P and the finals.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I'm gonna put that out there. Cannas Parker at her
peak was anybody seen.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I'm gonna be honest. Cannis Parker was my goal before Asia.
I thought respect you had Cannas Parker over Maya Moore is.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
To go the way Cannis Parker? Can you can you
tell me what?

Speaker 1 (47:38):
What?

Speaker 3 (47:39):
What do you with Maya? What did you not see?
There's nothing I don't see. I think Maya had everything.
I really think she had everything. But there's difference. I
would say this women's basketball hype matters matters drastically. So
you think is gonna be the go I don't think

(48:00):
King is gonna be to go. I don't think she
will ever be able to do what Age is doing.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I think she could, Yeah, she could.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
If you put if you put a more talented team
around here, a defense.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
That's her game. That's what I think she could win. Listen,
pure domination, bro. What does she not dominate? Bro? Listen?
How many? How many defensive player the years? Is my half?
Just three? She has three? She has none, she has
two second teams. We can't discredit none.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Of So let me ask you a question and brings
back to the NBA, because I'm just using your points.
Rudy Gobert has how many defensive player of the years? Okay,
so let me ask you this. How many guards? Who's
who's the last guard to win a defensive Player of
the Year before Gary Payton was before Marcus Smart Tony

(48:51):
Allen shout out to t A. You know, I know,
does Tony Allen I deserve a defensive Player of the Year?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
He does? I think he does.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
So that's the only thing. BIG's always win defensive play
of the Year, So I can't. I can't always just
say she's got three.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Def But that's why, that's that's my that's my that's
my argument with the m VPS though, and also MVPs.
You she's well deserved, bro, But my point is if
we go back to Bron, Bron could have had way
more MVP. Sure, Shad could have had the m v
P with Steve Nash want MVP, Kobe could have had
it the year whatever. So my point is I'm not
basing it solely off of the MVP.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
And who will votes her MVPs reporters agree, I ain't
with that ship agreed.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I ain't with that agreed. So I don't know who
votes for MVPs and w b A, but I'm pretty
sure it's reports.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Okay, So if it's reporters, so y'all saying visually with
your eyes, I get it, y'all like maya more and
more right, I think now right now, So are you
telling me there is clear cut all agents MVPs somebody
else should have won them.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I think Stewie could have won one or two.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
She's the most dominant right now in her era, for sure.
I'm giving her that.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
But I would argue that when Miles in the league,
there is more names.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
That's and that's why my question was gonna be, like there.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Was Diana Young Diana, there's there's Larange. I think Laurna
Jackson is still there, like I just think there's Maybe
I'm biased because you know, maybe I'm.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
The old basketball. You think women's basketball was better back
then than now.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I think that some of the talent there there is
bigger names, so there's a lot more fighting for.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Things that we knew. You think women's basketball was better, No,
I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I think that's I think the top ten two percent
of the league was better than the top two percent
of league.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Now, that's what I believe. M hmm. That's a good argument.
That's what I believe. That's fair. That's a good argument.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Simona Augustus, That's just my opinion. I think the top
two to five percent of the league is better than
the top two to five percent of the league now because.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
To my to my argument, Bro with my why I say,
may too. When you are the top dog of those
Hall of famers, like you just said, Bro, that says
a lot like you on that team and you the
top dog, they like, yo, my, we need you.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Let's put in perspective.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
She was taking out d T super bird Lauren Jackson,
she was taking on Candas Parker and I don't know
how long Lisa Leslie played for she was taking out
those names, bro, and she was fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
In her years. In eight years, she won four chips.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's it. That's all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I'm a league is more popular now, But when it
comes to that, I will have to agree with Maybe
with home it was some more.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
It was some beasts back in the day. I think
he's done with this moving on.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
I'm not hot, like I told you. I just think
our chat's quiet, bro. What does this chat thing?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Bro? Y'all just watching us go at it? Anyways, it's
all good man.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Speaking of the news you posted about yesterday, mister Fred
van Vliet twenty nineteen NBA champion tore his a cl obviously. Yeah,
I feel sick for him because this is a real.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
It was still.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
He was stressed up about that.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
She was on my mind to yeah, like man, what
I just no, no, cap. I was not thinking about that.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
But then when I looked at him, I said, because
I would say that all camera, I don't need to
say it.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, that was why.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
If I said some ship like that, on the other hand,
I would get killed. I would get killed anyway.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
People make mistakes, People make mistakes. Little you get the
second chance Americas Island, the second.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Chances just boom and was glad he was able to
catch it real quick acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
It said bring the words back, but.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Already or no, Charlie's already, give him, give him a minute.
Bro we got this guy, obviously, I don't say heartbroke him.
And feel really bad for Fred because you guys are
about to embark on a championship type run. Obviously everybody
here believes that you believe Houston's contender. How y'all feel

(53:14):
you guys are former players, you guys all dealt with
super fortunate?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
First of all, did they ever say how he did it?

Speaker 1 (53:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I don't know. I mean, there might be just.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Super unfortunate because he's a big piece. Uh you know,
he's a former champ, he has a championship pedigree, good player,
and they didn't have enough depth in that position. So
now they gotta be able to adjust. And I know
kated is like, you know KD went there because I'm playing.
I'm sure he played a role in it for being

(53:42):
an elite player. But you got adapt now in.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Westbrook to because I know you're gonna say that.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Supposedly what I read report their max out on caps space.
They can't even sign They can't even sign Russ That's
what I saw, Yeah, report, So does.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Eight men play point guard more? Now?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
This chack quiet because it's sounding like divorced parents going
in bowsers sol Obama?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
What up?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Oh you heard that ship?

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Now you wake back there? Okay? Yeah? So what are
your thoughts? Man? Yeah? Go ahead. What's the question if
they happens?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Just you know, how do you feel about obviously, what
do you think they should do?

Speaker 4 (54:28):
I mean, I think they have a great coach that
can figure that out. But it still hurts, you know
what I mean, because he's probably the leader of that squad,
to be honest with you, he is the leader of
that squad. So yeah, like he just said, heart the
soul of that team. So I think it's definitely gonna hurt.
But they also have talent to where I think many

(54:52):
I think they still contender us though, to be honest,
but I think with Fred going out, it's gonna take
some time to just I think they already knew what
they was gonna go into it.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
They still have enough. Yeah, they have enough.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I was imagining it up against Frank did.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
It for five years. Man.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
At that time he was in Toronto too. It was
Fred undrafted, right yeah, yeah, so but I love Fred
and what is all?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:19):
I used to watch him and actually like, man, he
nice and I thought he was gonna get drafted. I
didn't know he was that short, like because you know
they said that. And then when I seen him with Toronto, man,
he caused fits bro.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
He was nice. He was nice. I've always been a
fan of his game for sure.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Man, Look, this hurts big time. I mean this hurts
tremendously because he was He was your pit bull, he
was your dog.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
He was a guy that you could count on every night.
He gonna set the tone.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Not not always offensively because as the numbers say, he
didn't shoot it efficiently as you would want him to,
but you knew the type of competitive nothing dog he
was gonna give you every single night, and he was
gonna set the table. Uh. I think it's more of
just like they they have.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Brought k D and this nigga. Look at the comment.
I don't blame him. I don't think we're gonna be coming.
This guy's putting on his sunglasses like, yo, I think ahead.

(56:34):
I'm sorry, bro, I gotta say when was over spot?
Oh that's a friend?

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Come on, man, I know that's why this is crazy,
But I think it's just very import to it for
the Houston Rockets because they got a two year window
pretty much with this KD situation.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
The exception from the league, though, won't they what you mean,
cap except because of injury?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah? Because of Yeah, I think you won't get an exception.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
And it happened is early, you know how you just
said though they got a two year window with KD.
My question is always is KD now thirty six, thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Thirty seven, thirty eight? Like?

Speaker 3 (57:27):
How long do you think he can play? We always
talking Aboutlebron, but KD? How long can he play?

Speaker 2 (57:30):
I think he played on four years?

Speaker 1 (57:31):
If you want that, let's say you can do foth
at that level, at that level, probably three.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
He's not slowing down either, though, bro, because it's efficients
is he.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
His top ten scoring today's league?

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Come on, he says he's time.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
You know what's crazy? Don't address? Hold on?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Hold on addressed because we made that his brother said,
so we made that post about so.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
You fucked me up. Up, I'm gonna be honest. Argument,
was he's not a top three? That was original one? Yes,
that's the original.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
So when you said top ten for some reason, yes,
it's Kate the a top ten score. Yes he is
in today's game one hundred. Is he's not a top
three scored? Well, please tell me the three. That's why
we're trying to okay, Shae, Luca, Yo, kids, No, you're
not gonna argue that.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Yes, I'm gonna arge what listen, I'm gonna argue efficiency
not s you can throw.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
But we ain't gonna say that. We argue. We'll let
you take you got it? You got go ahead because
we don't have this for three days.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
I mean, well, I'm gonna be on the side thing
because I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
How was he top three? Audience? He don't need a
lot of dribbles like Luca.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
He needs to pound the ball, pound the ball, pound
the ball, Shaye, I mean same, they need the ball
and Kate can score in always no doubt. So I'm
trying to figure out the best scorer. Ever, so how
is he not top three today? But why is he not?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Okay? He's not top three and the scoring, Like, you're
talking about numbers, numbers, number.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
I think that's a choice, though, what's what's what's the
I'm not even analytics guy. What's his usage? I got you,
that's what? Like the other guy's got the ball in
their hands way more than them.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Well, we think everybody says top three, chase top three. Okay,
I think his usage is out the roof. We know
it's more than Kd's for sure.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Okay, Well, I'm talking about numbers though, we're talking about
who's a better score.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Bro, those three guys that just names because they're scoring shaek.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
So see me, let me ask you. You're not an
eye test guy. You're not an eye test guy. You're
a number guy. I'm an eye test guy. I'm a
I'm a situational guy. Right, if we need a bucket
down the stre you're going to k here you go? Okay, right, okay,
So how you know the top.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Three score he's not top three scoring.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
He just might think hockey, you not top But you're saying,
but you're saying if the game is on the line,
KD here, that's that's my if games an't you just
said if games on the line now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Because that that blows me. Bro, I'm trying to figure
it out. Top three.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Okay, let me ask you this, let me let me
let me just throw this in the in the equation,
who did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
KD play with last year? And and Bradley Beal? Okay? Cool?
Just three people that need the ball. That's it, you
guys walk out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Hey, I'm gonna say this though, I don't like this
situation for KD because he has to do a little.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Bit more now. Could rust him even co exist? That's
not going there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
That's what I was saying, because he posted it. I
don't even think they co exists.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I don't think he do you want that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think both of
them want that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
KD has to do too much now he's gonna have
to lead these dudes. Can he do?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
You can he? That's not his thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Do you think e Ma can just? I mean, like
em is a smart coach. Everybody thinks he's top five
in the league. Yeah, yeah, maybe top three. I mean,
you could just play for Sangoon. That's what they did
last year, roasting Singoon. When we both mentioned Singo.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I didn't you roasted what he was broken sing No, no, no, no,
I don't roasted. Okay, let me ask you this question.
Is eighty frying sangoin one on one in any team setting?
Is eighty frying healthy?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Eighty healthy? Eighty?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Yes, that's my point because he tried to compare eighty
who's And I never said he was trash the clip
if I said.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
He I know, I know. I didn't say you did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I'll give you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I said that sanggoone trash, and I said I I'll
tell you this, sang Gooon could score on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
A D eighties cooking him frying him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Hold on, you're taking Sangoon over eighty No, no, okay, okay.
So I never said you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I never said he was trash. The argument was the
top eight world players versus the top eight USA players.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I said that they called up. That's all we said.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
I said from one people, they caught up from six
to eight about USA is blowing them out the water,
which is eighty Sangoon and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Not a specific country. That was a different But that's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
So if you look at one to five, the world
has can compete with us as top five.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
But if you go to six to eight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
While we're putting eighty versus Sangoon, So the bonus versus Kawhi,
we're talking about Sam versus who do you Who do
you want to put? Anton the starting lineup? Right, he's
top five, So who's the next one? Who do you
want to put? Who's the next best?

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
You will say, player, I'm still looking at you like
they're not cooking them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
They're not cooking them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
If you're playing three on three, they're cooking them. Who
played Guys, we're talking about you. We said the next
we're talking about from six to eight. They're way better
than the world six to eight. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Okay, once again, this all came from stirring from the
All Star.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Game you're missing. They were doing World versus.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
H NBA of NBA team and we said they have
called up. We're saying the world is catching up. That's
all we were saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yes, but you were.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Saying they weren't. He said, they are not catching up.
You know, I'm gonna the world catching I'm the world.
I'm part of the world, So I won't say the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
World is catching up, but they haven't caught up. That
was my only point from six to eight, but the
last one five he's been world though, right last last
like five and Pace been world world players. Exactly my point.
We had that debate.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
We didn't say they caught up. We can you want
to bet that. I didn't say they caught up. Said
they said, who's the last American to win the m.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
V pH We can't tell you it's James Harden twenty
nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
We just said that they are catching up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Okay, listen, we're not going to have this conversation because
we've talked about this so much. We'll move We will
move on. But once again the Rockets are in trouble.
You can talk off one. Who do you guys want
to go after because you can't know?

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Doesn't work? Somebody said, Drew Holliday.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I don't mind that, but that's if Portland let them go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I think Portland let him go for damn have nothing
for white price? What's the right price?

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
So who's on their team right now? You got Jabari Smith,
you got j Smith? It's amen? Right, amen?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Read Shepherd? Is that yeah? That's the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
The issue is they've built the team for all these
guys to be together. Now you're trying to trade to
get another point guard. But at the same time, they
gotta do something. You can't just waste. You can't just
start the year and waste the year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Twenty eighteen is the last time they won James Harden one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
You know what I'm saying. You can't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
You can't just waste this year because at the end
of the day, you still have a team that can compete.
You just need a point guard because right now all
you gott is fucking read Shepherd. And then you want
Amen Thompson to be the other point guard and he
be the point guard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Can't you you're going, I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Mean you got so I think you could play Katie
Cangoon Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
And though K and KD be the point guard. No, no, no, no,
you can bring.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Up the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
That just you're just exerting way more energy than you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
You're doing too much. They don't have to do something
because they try to do the same thing with book.
He just needs three dribbles. Bro, I got a point guard.
He's sitting on this couch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
M v P. Pierto Rico.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
I mean, if they get you, that would be that
would be nice. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I don't even know who's yourself. Uncle Jeff he's still
the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Yeah, they have Aaron he was he was decent in
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
They signed Josh shout with Josh Ko.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yeah, I mean they need They don't even have a
lot of guard players here like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
You said, I know cap to, so they probably can't
even go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
I think I think you got to move Capella and
try to get a point guard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
No, you just got just got there. I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
But like you have, you already have Steven Adams so
and you have saying we were talking about it when
they picked him up. He's like, why do you have
so many centers? Did we talk about that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
We did?

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
I think they liked that too big line. I think
they want to play santgoon at the four. No, I
hear that because saying goon at the five is BBQ,
it's barbecue chicken.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
But the thing I've as you that are you just
literally keeping that two man lineup and gonna run with
all a point guard? Would you rather go get a point?
I'd rather get a point. I choose that point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Think about this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
The reason I think they also did is because they
too big lineup work correct, So they was bigger than
everybody else and then think about if you take that
big out, you could put saning Goon at the five
and he going against the backup big sang.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Goon frying him. Yeah, no, I hear it, but.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
He gets more touches. When KD goes out, you can
focal point on sand Goon. So they probably gonna have
that going on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I don't know, man, we got to move somebody for
a point guard.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
You gotta move somebody. You might have to get rid
of Jabbari to be honest, you want they paid him.
They just paid him like for minimum. I think I
think that what you talked, didn't you say something like
they can.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Yeah, they could, they could run Amen at the point.
There's something like because they might get an injury exception. Yes,
they gotta get that. But right now, from what I
saw on the reports, they can't make any signings there.
They're Max and the roster spots. Yeah, I mean, they
just find out. So they're gonna figure that out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
But you also know Katie gonna have his handprint on
that team too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
So I don't know, there's anybody know they need a
point guard as them ship go get cp.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I was just thinking that they probably probably.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
He's not, but I feel like CP had the opportunity
to go to Houston. I'm sure they called him during
the summer.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
They didn't need him, Yeah, at that point, he didn't
need him at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
If Clippers aren't moving him, yeah, they clippers aren't moving him.
All right, y'all got what you got? You got anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I mean when you said Drew Holliday, but they had
to trace for sure? Yeah, I mean I throw his
name out a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Tis Jones is in Orlando and they have they need,
but they have jailing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Did not let go? They not letting it out t y.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Yeah, I think that. I think Tis Jones would be
a great fit. I mean, he played with Katie last year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
So I don't know. Yeah, they're in trouble. Yeah, we'll
see what happened in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
I don't like it. That's the wrong K. That's that's
like three years in a row. Kdie without a PG, right, yeah, bro,
that's the wrong piece to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Broh He haven't. Yeah, I guess he did. He did
he see people play together? Yes, yeah they did.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
They was winning, but then he got hurt, hurt his
finger mm hmm, fucking ship bro.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
All right, Peter, pull the tier list. We're getting into
a little debate.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
So, I guess where we'll start is S tiers like
a superstar, eight tiers, All Star, BS, starter, C and D.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
You know we just ranked them lower? Were we ranking now?
To point guards? So I'm getting to it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
We're ranking our top point guards for this year?

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Coming up?

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
What they'll do this year? Actually, let's talk about in
the past because we still have Tyres there. Obviously he's injured,
but let's talk about what we saw from last year.
So James Harden where y'all have him super He's an
all star for me?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Now he's hold on say that? How you how you
breaking it down as a superstar is also B starter?
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I don't even think CND matter here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
James Harden is he's a superstar, not a super He's
a superstar in today today, right right, James Harden, Bro,
he's an all star.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah he's not. He's an all star.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
We just can't be throwing that word around.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
You can't do that, the just throwing words like some.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Of our chat disagrees with you, Charlie, But we can
keep moving.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
We keep it moving. Why is James Harden not sup
I'm about to put that in the chat, but I
mean as a pole he said, what why is he
not a superstar?

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Tell me why he's not a superstar? Thirty seven? Right now, Broy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Ray's just jumping off a flight, so he probably won't
pick up. Ray said, he lands, like, why is he
not a superstar?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
He's thirty some years old. What he's done? Yeah, he
laos when it comes, he disappears.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
That's a good point. He's not the main guy, not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
The main guy in his team.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I think if you're a superstar, you're the main guy
in your team. That that that's kind of my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
What's he a superstar?

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yes, one hundred he was just majority of the famous
majority votes all star.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I think it's James Harden as an a teer, Peter Crazy.
Everybody asks super super no debate there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Come on, I think STEP's a superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Kyrie is in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
I think in the middle phase where he's kind of
where James Harden was, but he has superstar potential.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Where we rank Kai I think I think in between superstar.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
I think when he gets healthy in the trade with
A D and them, he's going to be in the Superstar.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
But as of last year, where was he for you?
Because we're based.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Off said right in between the S and A I'm
gonna put was he an All Star? He wasn't. He wasn't.
Also last year he was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
I think I always be an All Star as long
as he's in the league. He was the camera field.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
A dollar fucking killing me right now, Bro, he's a
fucking all star. Dog Who No, he's a superstar. Kyrie
is a superstar? Why carries a superstar?

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Bro? It does not.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
There's no point guard Listen. Kyrie plays James Harden, Who
you pick it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Kyrie?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
If he plays Damian Lillard? Who you picking? Were you
picking it? Darren de Aaron Fox, Jaylen Broton?

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I think part of its opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Though, carry kry no or he got hurt, he was
a superstar.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
He was cooking for sure last year to year where
he hit the left handed? Uh, last year he got
injured in like February.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Hey, Listen is a superstar. Bro, I'm cool with either one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I think more also, but I'm not mad at superstar.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
But can I ask what's a superstar? You did your
own criteria?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
What is your criter criteria?

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Superstar to me, like I broken down, Like in the world,
you're like you're selling tickets wherever you go, like you
are a superstar and as far as a player, you're
the guy on your team obviously, and you can travel
for arena to the arena and people are coming to
watch you play like that is if we're talking about money,

(01:12:42):
like you your box office.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I agree with that definition.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
I also think Kyrie wasn't that guy until he was
only that guy for about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Three weeks last year.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
It was Luca that was doing all that that That's
why I have him as All Star. But I literally
said when we first started with kay I said he
should be a superstar, but he played an all star
like level our tier because he didn't do that last year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
It was Luca.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
But no, because that's not fair to him because at
the end of the day, Luca don't get where he
was without Kyrie being a superstar. Because at the end
of the games, when Kyrie was finishing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
He was Kyrie is a superstar. Bro, He's a superstars
all right, Dame, you're coming to watch him? Dame also
for me, what's BA All Star?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
What's B be? A starter? Starter? What today?

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Last year? Last year?

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
I mean, come on, last year, bro, he's saying today
he can't play today, he can't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Play today last year. Why won't we put these as today?

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Because he's he's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Heard heard, So I'm thinking next year, like when he comes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Back, you started, he comes back, he's a starter. Yeah,
he's a starter. His achilles we talk.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Why because you gotta see No, because I gotta see
number one. He's coming off an achilles injury, which I
talked about this before. Any player outside of k D
when he came back from an achilles injury did a
little bit better than what they did that previous.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
That he's not averaging more than twenty in his year back.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
He's not. Yeah, oh yeah, said no, he's not in
his year back. No, he's not. I don't think. Let
me tell you something, man, he's not. How this dame again?

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Its gonna be you have that freedom, he's gonna he's
gonna back home. If anything, he's at twenty on the mark.
He's getting to twenty bro, y'all. Oh, he's been at
thirty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I think he'll be around eighteen. That's why I think
he did eighteen nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Game just started disrespectful. He's an all star, A sorry
all star, bro? So all star, all star? What we got?
You said? Starter started? No all star, all star or starter?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
No, But I'm like, hold up what you think?

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
He said?

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
But I'm fringe all star, So I'm cool with him
going to a because I'm not. I'm one hundred percent
on Starter. I'm fringe alsar fringe star.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
All right, So Dame is going to be an all
star after put him in Achilles injury, an all star
bear Fox?

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Okay, he's an all star, starter, all star, Starter? Bro,
you you're you're fifty big?

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
What's what's the star? What's your criteria for starter and
all star?

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
What? What? Just exactly what it is?

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I got you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
So starter in a sense of you don't think he's
all star talent or potential, He's getting there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
I feel like Dame's run is No, that's about Fox.
I think he's not gonna be an all star on
the wet not competing against those animals.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
He's a starter, actually, know what I'm think about it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
When was he an all star? Ever? Once? One time?
Maybe one time. It's a starter. Bro Okay, yeah, I
don't even know what's foxing all Star. He was, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
He averaged twenty six that year and he averaged twenty
five last year time with the San Antonio and he
got injured. So actually I'm cool that I think is
like your bona fide all star like like it's kind
of like, yeah, a starter. Jalen Brunson, I'm all star.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
I'm all Star, all Star, Superstar also feel stars that
sh I get some clicks. Whatever he says he's thinking
about it, he's between Superstar, all Star of me. New
York makes him Superstar. I think that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
I think if if he gave him Superstar, if he's
not in New York, I think he's a New York
They pushed that though.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
I think I give him Superstar because he's doing it
in New York and that's fair. Does that change anybody?
I played there? So I know, I know it's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Like that matter that not everybody, not everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Can handle that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
I got an All Star, but but I feel I
get exactly where he came.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Play New York. Fact, I think Jayleen, he's built for that.
He's built.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
He's clearly shown it multiples consecutive and he he's took
he's taking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Uh, he's finals twice, right, Jalen Brunton the best nick ever. No,
we can't do that yet. No, Listen, it matters anybody
that plays.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Anybody that goes like the nick list is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Yeah, like a lot of people have came and then
damaged for three four years.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Like you know what I mean. So that's Nicks, Nicks
and Lakers. You play well in those organizations. You built
a little different. You are built a little different, really,
the Knicks, because they will fry you. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Listen, I think he's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Say, are we really putting in the same tier as
Stephan Kai?

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Are we doing that? I think so? I said, I said,
I think. I mean, I said earned it? How about you?
I think he earned it? Bro? And the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
And if I'm gonna say Tyr, because I think Tyree's
Heller brings a superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Now fifty fifty. Hold, hold, we'll get to it. We'll
get to it. We'll get there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I'm fifty fifty, so let's see me put it super
You're superstar, right, bro? All right, he's superstar because I'm
fifty fifty. I feel convinced me. Shay Superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Anybody superstar, Trey Young All Star, I don't know, bro,
he kind of so we went with we went with
BRONI Superstar.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Yeah, okay, because I'm fifty fifty and it's too it's
two to one, Okay. It is Trey Young deeron Fox
really not different. I'm asking what the hell is mt
M T Steal's at your neck? Bro, no, bro, black cheek.
I'm with you. I think darreon Fox is more all Star.
But I gotta voted. But what's the difference in Trey

(01:18:57):
Young and and Darren Trey Young and I think trade
is I think the same level. So if we're putting
Trey out, I'm putting at wherever we put in.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
I think Trey is a little bit young, was a
little bit over. I say, trades all Star, all Star.
You have them all Star, and I'm gonna keep it
real with you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
I didn't coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
I didn't think t was gonna be like who He
trades them more or less and he's been to the
Eastern Conference.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Is Atlanta a poverty franchise?

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Poverty? Damn a poverty I'm trying to figure.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Like a bad franchise, A bad franchise won.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
What are you getting getting back?

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
No, I'm saying Atlanta poverty franchise. It's a bad ownership.
Are they always gonna lose?

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
They tried to play four and five? Bro, Like, let's
keep it a stat if you're talking about winning.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I don't know. Does anybody want.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
To play for Sack? Show everybody to plays for Sack.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
We have a couple of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
People into the ball hall to play for Sack. Ain't
gonna name any names.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Oh man, who played for Shack today?

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Okay, you play for Shot? I mean I didn't say
I was there for to days?

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
So are we gonna compare the franchises?

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Because we're not comparing the franchises, I'm gonna say this.
I let me lean back because my head to getting
cut off. I think Trade. I think Trade does not
get enough credit for what he's done in Atlanta, right
the Aaron I think he could have did more with.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
The talent he had. He's in the West. He's in
the West. That's cool. They don't choot. That's not their fault.
That's not Trade's fault. Trade.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Trade has been to the Eastern Conference Finals. The niggas
had twenty twenty games. He's he put up numbers, bro,
he put up numbers. He puts on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Too, Luca. When I argue that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
This is a tough one, here, fellas, this is a
tough one here, fellas, John Red, talk to me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
I'm all star as well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
I'm good Shelton, Memphis, by the way, I'm always in Memphis,
But I mean I'm all star CV.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
I'm gonna put him last year. Last year, you're just talking.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Criminal records, has criminal record that I don't think record
did have a little.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Blaking, just get some swelling from the NBA. Started using
that horn at the wrong time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
He was using when you're.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Like, whoa, I know you're gonna say, all right, that
was what I feel like. I feel like John Old
last year was a big year for him to take.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
He should take that. John, He's an all star, JA
all Star.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
If he didn't get sucked up, he's a superstar for sure.
He was running that way. He was, he was, He
was right there. John Rant was on the verge of
being the face of the lead.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
He was he is the face of no. He's not
for the kids.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Everybody's wearing jaws from John Jo from Josh this is where.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
This sorry my faulty trying.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Yeah, yeah, all right, so this is what kind of
where it started from Lamellow.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
I mean he's just started. That boy is not an
all star starter. He got all starting numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
But he also seems like you don't even belong in
this conversation. What's the d Then they were.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Original like he ain't supposed to be in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Is like yo, you ben, but no, he's gonna be there.
But I mean, we don't talk about l a little bit.
But everybody's good a starter.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Starter, darter, but he has all star numbers, but he
hasn't played long enough.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
He's been hurt the past.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
He's been hurt, you know what I'm saying. Season, it's
been hurt. They've been hurt a lot the past.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
That's a poverty franchise, Maxie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
That is a poverty franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
If there's one Curts in the building, CEOs in the buildings.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
The higher.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Come on, Oh fuck, Beter, one day you're gonna get
it right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Hit the horn. But it's all good, all right, Tyr's Maxie.
He's all star. He's between B and A for me,
All Star. It wasn't All Star. He gotta get it.
I'm gonna go start more starter. He's a starter. He started,
he's wowsers talk about it? Did disrespect? Yeah? For real?

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Oh yeah, by the way, Dre, it is a tough
crowd hat.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
It's tough hat. Charlie's wearing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Yeah, tough craw shout out to Brandon Jennings Simon little
care package.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yeah yeah, that's my guy. All right. So you want
a debate about it? I got him as a starter?
Have yall seen y? Yeah? Ain't see? Yeah? Yeah, come on,
you know he scored like fifty something points. He shot
thirty five times.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
But it's okay, you have to do he Maxie was
going to say something like, do they win that game?

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Tough? Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
No, he's tough when the Knicks, when they played the Knicks,
He's for sure tough if you want to just say
you started.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
But did we not say that A for us is
someone that's a guaranteed All star?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Was he he ans better? Max? Was he an All Star?
He's better? MAXI?

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Okay, come on, bro, he's six six. We can't ask
him that. He's a client. Uh, I'm not even gonna
put that you and put you in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Who's better Maxie? Okay, I got kid. He's a starter.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
All Star is the starters, an all Star, everybody is
the star.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
He was an All Star right this past yearns at
All Star, Peter.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
I mean, but the thing that he was, it was
a bad bro star before his name was down, was down,
was down. If them two playing, they might be the
All Star on that team. That's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
I can respect he got and he a reserve because
they were hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
He got more of an opportunity, was a reserve to
All Star. Don't forget that. So change trades got chatter
the couple. Yeah, yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
I'm just saying like, don't necessarily always represented.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
You're one of the he's got black ball.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
You can talk about it with he thinks he's a superstar.
You thought it was crazy. Take I want to talk
about it. Thought he was a superstar Tyre. You said,
oh man, I love Tys as a person for but uh,
superstar bro what you got come on with?

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
He's not a superstar? Yeah, I said, don't right after
looking at the list, I can't put him in. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
Something thing is he was making a big shot in his.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
Number off just last season, just what you think in
general numbers. Why is he had the worst season of
the year before, didn't he?

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
I think so because he was cooking years ago until
he did the splits.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
I'm going to put him as a superstar reason being
because what he did. He took his team. He's a
big reason why he took his team to the fight.
He's what did he see to a game seven?

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
This is what I would say, though, hold on, hold on,
let me let me get my ship off real quick.
He don't get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
They probably win, win, but I will say this and
then you'll let you guys go. We did put Jalen
in the superstar tier, probably probably because of New York
and probably what he did. So, I mean, if we
do that, we got to apply the same logics to Tyrens.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
You don't know why not. That's New York, it's Indiana.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I'm talking about the winning part because we did factor.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
He's what I'm saying is bro, what he's done, what
he did this it was great, Like don't twist. He
was making big shots, but he's not was a huge
part also of that team.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
So I feel like you take the equation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
They don't even towns All the question for Jailing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
No, I'm just saying you don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
No, you don't have the year before. No, he didn't
have before he was spasy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
My thing is where I think he's an ulcer. I
think you put Tyree, I don't know, on a different team.
I don't think he does the same thing. I know
if I put Kai, Steph, Shaye, Jailing and Luca on
a different team, they still gonna go crazy. That's that's
kind of where I'm at. He's he's a star. That's
not a super He's not Lucas put a superstar. What

(01:27:45):
you got, I'm all star. I don't have him. You
have him one of those guys, Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Because of what he did, the impact that he did
for his team, Yes, but was making big shots at
the right time. Bro the impact that he had. He
took the team to the final, something a group guys
could have done. They didn't do that. I mean, I know,
I don't know if James James might have been able
to do it. Trey might have been able to do it.

(01:28:10):
He never done it. Jack could do it, could could
could could, but did it he's a winner, Bro, never
did it. He's a winner. He has winning Halerburn did it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Everybody on that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
So you think so he's not the most you gotta wait, wait,
So do you think you think Tyree is better than James, Dang,
John K and Trey?

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
I think he does. You think he's better Biana?

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Though, No, I don't do that. Yeah, but don't do that.
I'm not doing that because of that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Are you sure? Positive? So you think he's better than them?

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Going by the boy he showed me last year? He's
not better than them, Bro, he might he's better than
who is better than a Google?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
I gonna be rup with you. I'll take K before
I take I take K two before I take her.
I'll take K. I will too. So then then then
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
To Yeah, Bro, he took him to the finals game seven. Sure,
gotta respect that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
I do repet that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
He's a great kind of like he's not the most attractive.
It's not the most attractive pick. I get it. But
resume wise, what he did last year showed me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
A whole lot. But I think I got to because
I put Jalen up there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
But if you talk about resume, James Dames. Dame's resumes
are better than his resume because of longevity, saying the resumes, how.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Long been in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Here we go this longevity because more years.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Not right, I can't compare.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
That, Listen, I'm cool putting the Superstar purely because we
put Jail in there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
But I but if I'm looking at the s tier,
I think it's my opinion's only Steph Kai, Shane, Luca.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
I'd move everybody else down. Stev. You played, You played
in New York, right, I never from New York. From
New York. You're from New York, so you know y'all's
New York is mindset? No, Yeah, it's impossible, right, tough.
So I love tyrs. Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
I don't know if he can do what Jalen does
in New York if you switch, if you switch spots,
if you switch spots, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Bruni can still do.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
He's a different type of you play there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
It's different, Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
So you you're to your point, you're saying you would
put him on a Superstar because.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Cool. I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
I thought I'm talking about the wing equation, not to
the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
He's a winner. I just give him he a winner, bro.
I think he will win a championship in his career.
I think he'll be a superstar.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
I'm curiously what he looks like when he comes back.
I think he's a superstar now, and it's unfortunate that
he got hurt. But I think they lost Miles though,
hold on, they don't make the playoffs. We got that
bad to Indiana makes the playoffs. He's not playing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
No, I'm not on that bad It's just you know me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
And they got hell of bigs, bro, They got wise Men,
they got Jackson, they got Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Bradley, they got uh. I don't think they just don't
have the shooting of Miles turn. I think that changes
a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
That changes Miles is they're not blockings like Miles bros.
Even if you don't make them, if you don't get
the la. I don't think we know how good James
Wiseman is yet. I think he's nice, but is he
ready to step in he?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Also?

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
I think they I think the way they play causes
a lot of problems for guys because they don't want
to run. Now you gotta really deal with fucking nim hard. Now,
you gotta really deal with McConnell.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
You go, like this, if we remove Jalen Brunton off
the Knicks, are they making the playoffs? Nope, Kyrie, I
think Dallas is Golden State making the playoffs without Steph
is the Lakers making the playoffs without So then I
can't put Tyres in that situation because everybody is confident
that the Pacers will still be good without Tyre.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Tyre, That's that's my logic.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
But not playoffs. Huh, They're not making the playoffs and
you're saying that they are making the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Don't you have a bet that they are making No,
I'm with you. I don't think they're making it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Okay, yeah, said they would do so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
But if you take if you're super started, to take
you off the team and yourself still good, they're an exception.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
They're an exception.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
The team don't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Want a championship. No, they're still good. Yeah they're good.
Back back?

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
No, No, who you got? Yeah, well there's actually that.
Who do you got for this year? That's hard, man,
It's hard to guess.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Okay. See, I'm gonna keep real with you. They's hard
to go back to back.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
It was hard to go back to back them was
always in the mix. But I had them with last year,
but they didn't. Okay, see, Bro, it's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
But they traded Michael Porter Junior for Cam Johnson, who
is as an elite shooter. I think he's a better defender,
that's my opinion. They added Jonas Valanciunas, who's a great
big off the bench, and Bruce Brown and Tim Hardway.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
I'm gonna address this last comment, Bro, you're talking about
we bugging because Tyree. They're not good at Tyre's how
many games was it last playoffs?

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Tyree's came alive.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Late, and that's my point. That's why I say he's
not a superstar. I agree that like that, when they
come alive, it was at the right time. It was
my point, Like they are, they're still playing well, Like
there was multi times you that like nine points, eleven points.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
He just yeah, he didn't show up till the fourth
quarter exactly. I don't worry we're talking about the clout.
Don't worry about and Burton. To address your point, Yes,
they don't make the player because he's talking about the
Pistons and Hawks don't make the playoffs without Cayden Trey.
I agree with that, but they're not in the superstar tier.

(01:34:15):
I'm comparing him to the superstars. That's why I'm comparing
to But yes, does anybody have anything else on the
top point guard list?

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Any thoughts? I want to see how job comes like this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Yeah, I'm still pondering on the job one as a
superstar or as a superstar?

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
I mean, he does.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Your definition is he sells stadiums.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
He definitely. People want to pull up on John and
not a superstar.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I just don't think he has.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
He's had the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
I think I think I'm gonna give I think he
took a step back from that one year when he was.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Up the league up.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Bro when when the word is one in twenty two,
I think everybody was like, John, Memphis can get you. Yeah, Like,
I don't feel that about Memphis anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
I don't know if you don't. You're right about that's
that window for them for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Right, everybody thought, Yo, the Grizzies could get you. So
I don't feel like that way anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
You're right about that. That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
All right, Let's get to it. Let's get let's wait,
let's get to.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
The ball hall. Let's play the Mike Miller clip.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
But I was my last couple of years. I ain't
gonna mention the kid's name, but the ownership came to me,
said hey man, we need to work on this. Kids
jump about and it just worked. All right, cool, hit
him up. I'll be there tomorrow nine o'clock because at
nine fifteen. Cool with that, though, I'm like, all right, cool, listen,
young fella. I'm thirty eight. I don't really need it.
I'll be here tomorrow. Nine shows up at nine thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
I said him.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
Last time, I sai yo, young fella, listen to me, man,
just so you know, I got yeah, one more again,
I'll be here tomorrow. Nine more shows up at nine
forty five. I said, you got later and later.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Every time I had a.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Boss man, I said, hey it and this was a
lottery pick man and not the league.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
That's what.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
So, just for context for everybody, he didn't directly say
man's name, but you were the only rookie on and
the only lottery pick.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
So you want to address it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Address if I don't know nothing about it, though, So
that's what I don't. I have no recollection that that
was me I mean people try to, you know, they
hit me up on Instagram saying, hey, it was late
to Mike Miller's workout. I'm cool with my I was
cool with Mike at the time, and you know, I
have to practice. You shoot sometimes this and that. I've
done that with him a couple of times. But I
personally do not remember him calling me saying we're gonna

(01:36:24):
get in the gym at nine o'clock whatever, so that
that never happens to me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
And I'm not trying to defend myself. He's talking about that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
I don't know, and if he is something me, just
directly say my name, because I don't remember that, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
So that's the only thing we can clear it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
We left it at that, and my thing isn't it
don't change my life today, So I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
The man spoke and we'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Peter's fixing some stuff, but we're gonna pull up the
graphics soon. He's fixing the cameras.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
We got hurt doing urt. We just you know, doing
big business thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
I am Tracy mcgrady's comments. Peter, you want to pull
that pull that graphic up please A the pictures A.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
But anyways, take it down, take it down, take it down.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
I'm reading a word for word. I'm not saying I'm Kobe.
I don't have to beat Kobe to play with Shaq
and win a championship. D Wade proved that, didn't he
d Wade prove that we are talking about a very
small time in my career when I was considered top
five player in the n b A. That's all we
talk about, and looking at what based off of Shaq
and who he was at that that last kind of

(01:37:46):
sense got me fucked up. But for context, d Way
to me is the top three shooting guard of all time.
I don't know about you guys, the shooting guards hardenn't
know it's Mike Kobe. And then d Way to me,
I'm I'm cool. If you guys think he's four five
wage three to me, wage three to me, so he's
a top that's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Not t mac to me. But how you feel about
those comments? T Mas basically said he would have won
the chip if he would have played with shot.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Because hes saying he's not Kobe. But d Wade did
it so that means I could have did it because
I was a player that d Wade wash.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
He's basically saying he's in the same level as d Wade.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Basically, that's what That's what I'm interpreting from that sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
A money.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
That was the actual picture used on the tweet that
was quoted, So we're using words literally using that pick.
I did not pick that picture, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Picture is that's the wildest pick I ever seen ever.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
The fact that the hand was like that you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Hot water, that was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
What was he doing. I get what I'm gonna I
get what t Is said. Anyone could win him, not anyone.
You have my fault, and I took it back. Idn't
even I caught myself. Damn, Penny is a dog. I
caught myself, Tam Mac. If you put t Mac and

(01:39:16):
ship Shock together, that's a serious that's a serious.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Tandem right there. That's a crazy dude. That's crazy duel
right crazy for sure. It's Peters on the camera, guys, shout, shout.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
I think they got a chance of winning, for sure,
So it's not far. Festibal team is saying, I'm gonna
have to agree with mac bro all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Right, then he wouldn't what you think I love.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Them man if if conversations bro, because it didn't happen,
so it's like But at the same time, man, I
think Mac is definitely do you think he might hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
What's he? A generational talent? One hundred per I agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
That T Mac was the original version of KD was
he not?

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I mean Kevin durant To evolved, but I got him.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
I got him. Man, Don't I feel like d Wade?
D Wade was a monster bro?

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
He agree with that? I think they? I don't know,
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
I'm going no, yeah, I say, I'm gonna say no,
I'm gonna know because said Wade as a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Yeah, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
And we ain't gonna just talk about talent. There's a
reason why we all love cod and talking about mama mentality.
D Wade got some sort of mama mentality in him.
I don't know if I saw that from T Mac,
and I'm gonna put it on record. T Mac was
my favorite player growing up. He was my favorite player.
So I hate to say it, but mentality, all that
stuff matters. And I don't know if T Mac is

(01:40:48):
on the level of d wading them.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
And we're talking about t Mac when t was Tam
forget the injuries, Orlando.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Mac when he even Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
This is the art I use it. I've used this before.
So they know if you put COVID with Yao, I'm
not saying they win a chip, but they at least
make it out the first round. Team ac did not
make it out of the first round until he played
with the Spurs when he was retired and they went
to the finals against Miami. We have to factor something
into that. He lost against the mass and.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
I know they had Dirk, but you consider winning a talent.
I think it's a skill, the skill, and I think
a lot of people don't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
So I feel like I'm not saying team was a loser,
but I'm just saying, like you gotta have something.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
You gotta consider the team he had, Houston, team who
had Yao? Ming? He had a good team. Houston was
a good team. Ming, y'all Ming shot, But we're.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
Not talking about championship. Were talk about geting ot the
first round?

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
No, but he's saying off what he said. He said,
if I had Shocked, if I had Shock on the
team instead of yao, Ming we're talking out.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
I don't know. Was team like a worker people. I
can't say, I can't what are you going to?

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
I mean, I played with t Mac, but I also
played with Tamate when he was in Detroit, so it's
a different team mat from when he was in Houston Orlando.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
But they go to the second round without t MAC.
I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Was in the same conversation as Kobe. Yeah, for sure,
talent though. Talent yeah so, and I don't see Tea
Mac give Kobe the business.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
So the mentality and when mentality.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Might be a little different. T Mac was almost if
we if we keep it real.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
I feel like the reason why Shaq got some of
his championship too, because Kobe's mentality though.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
Everybody always say shock they needed each other obviously, but
Kobe was that factory of like, nah, we were getting
this done.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
So I'll give you guys t Max roster in two
thousand and six, thousand and seven because that's probably ugly
his best roster. Yeah yeah, I had Ray for Austin
Luther Head, Shane Battye, Juwan Howard Bondzie Wells, Chuck Hayes,
Kirk Snyder, John Lucas and to Kembiam Tumbo. That's the
second round team. To me, if you swap out Kobe
for t Mac, that's the second.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Round team you swap out and push shack.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
That's not the debate, though, we're talking about his winning right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
That is the debate. No, no, sorry, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Not my point is that he couldn't take a team
like that to the second round.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
We're just going off what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
If you took Dwayne Wade and put him on that team,
they're making up the second round him and are making
out the.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
Second But what he's that's but we're going to we're
doing another what if?

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
On top of what if?

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
What team Mack is saying, if I'm fucking Dwayne Wade
and we switched, cannot do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Okay, he could probably do. Talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Let's talk about it. What was shock in two thousand
and six? He was He was not the same player
he was when they won. Let's keep do you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Remember those NBA finals? Shacked in the average more than
went for forty. The way changed it he turned. He
wasn't shocked on the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
He was shocked we talk about in early two thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
No, because he said he the way argument if you
switch so that means that would win six, it would
have been six.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Stats to know in the like seventeen, he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
The same shack garverage. This was the whole playoffs. Let
me see shacks finals averages.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
For the playoffs, them for just finals.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
I mean he might average thirteen and ten in this
two thousand and six finals.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
That's okay. What are you average in the playoffs? Average eighteen? Okay,
average eighteen? Well, d way average in the playoffs he
was like thirty thirty n average thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Thirty five eight and four average thirty five. I don't
think in the finals, in the finals, the playoffs, he
did not. He has not looked good team.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
I'm not gonna lie pick We're not gonna we're not
gonna act like that's light either though.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
No, no, I'm not so pick picked. Uh t Max's
highest playoff average? Which year was that?

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Are we gonna say listen if we're just plugging stats,
that's the whole argument. I think our debate is that
he's not the winner that d Wade is. He Wade
willed his team to victory.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Remember, winning is a whole different You gotta be you
gotta have that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Though the way willed his team to victory, that that
that's like he into mic bro and six.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
He was I I felt like I saw my This
is when when people say, yo, the win the winner problem.
I'm gonna use me an example. Right, I won three
championships in high school, I won a championship in college,
and then when I get to the NBA, I can't win.
So I'm not a winner.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
No, I don't. I don't you see what I'm saying.
So it was like, but but the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Thing is, I think when we evaluated on this termid point,
we have to look at the talent you had around you. Also,
were you a focal point you have?

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
No, I was not.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
So then if you were a focal point in every
single judge high school, you was, so I can judge you.
But you were a role put in the NBA, right correct,
So then I can't judge you off of that. I
can only judge off based on your talent and if
you are the main guy leading. So Tracy's past year
was thirty thirty one. That's how much he aed one
thirty one thirty one, seven and five solid, and that's

(01:45:59):
when they were up three to one in the melted
down versus the Pistons.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
I'm gonna be honest, I feel like Tea could have
been like taking. He could achieve way more than what
he achieved though he's hurt. It's like that the Rose
conversation Evince.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Though. I feel like Vince could achieved way more too
when he was I don't think Vince was hurt. No, no, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
Saying I feel like they could have took that level
of dominance level though, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
So we're going pound for pound, right, We're going pound
for pound. Who's the better player? That's taking away?

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Bro? Mm hm, I'm taking the way.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Bro sixty you bro, it's you said that too quick?
But you said I'm looking quick, I'm looking, Okay, I'm looking.
I'm looking at winning, I'm looking at We're talking about
pure talent. Come on, I mean, tam has the talent.
But you said player, you said who's the better player.
I personally just think top seventy five, yes, yeah he

(01:46:56):
made it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Yeah didn't he not make the list? I don't know
the can start the type of I think he is.
I think I think he's not. He's not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
I can't say the t can't do what d Wade
did just from being pound for pounds just as talented
as d Waight.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
I can't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
But the only thing that is making me go the
other way with d Wade is because I agree with
everybody doesn't know how to win. Correct, He is one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Right, Burns right, Mic was more talented than d Wade.
You can't be six, that's no question, agree on that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
But talent is there. But we're talking about winning. I'm
That's why I said I'm wae. I'm taking d Wade.
You're taking d Wad because he did it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Bro, Look way to your to your point, Look who
d Wade took to the final four with Marquette, Bro.
He ended up there, Like you say, he won high school, college,
he took him. You go to the league your second year, yeah, Charlotte, Yeah,
he beats Round Orleans, Charlotte, whatever. He beat them, and
Pat Roland was like, shoot, he's the one We're gonna

(01:48:02):
right that way. That next year he jumped all the
way to like twenty five games.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
And let's put in perspective that team was in the
lottery picking fit ye and they made the second round
of Lamar.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Was still there. Hello, I'll give it a d Wade.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Bro In his rookie season, he accomplished more winning than
team Act did.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
And I think it's unfair for teammate because it's been hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Is one of my favorite players of all times.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
He's been hurt, so it's hard. He can't bro. He
was hurt after like, clip this and put this on
your socials.

Speaker 1 (01:48:33):
You cooked on at oh seven. He was, he was hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
He cooked to his point. This is one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
Him being the vocal point like of that team got
so he know a lot about Yeah, he probably.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
You I put d Wade over Tea.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
But when you when when we talked about winning, right
when you said he had the team to do it
in Houston, in Orlando.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Now with that team you name what a young body.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
They were favored over the Mavericks when he dunked over
Sean Bradley.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
No, no, no, not with that, with that team he said to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
Get to the second round. Don't don't disrespect I'm not
disrespecting way for Austin. I was sha it was a
two star league. You had yelling. You're saying okay, and
then you said, Chuck Hayes that was their fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
No, he was the back of five. It was Jawan Howard.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
It was d I'm not I'm not Yo Burn mt all.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
You guys the team AC have the team to win,
and he was at least make it on the second
round and make it out the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Yes or no?

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
And you disrespect You're gonna disrespect Joan Howard.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
I'm not nice, all right? Cool?

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
They had a team to they had a team to
make it out the.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
First Houston, Yes, he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
This was two thousand and six. He played the twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Juwan coach that last five years and noo playing about
that home he was coaching the last five He ended
up being.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
On his team.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
He considered small for right small so s top five
small forward all time.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
There's no way you got Lebron. You got Larry, got Katie? Yeah, mellow, Mellow,
got mellow. I have mellow over team mac.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Bird, I said, Larry, Who else is there? WHI? Yeah?
He's so.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Let me ask you guys, is if we put Kobe
on that Rockets team, do they make it out the
first round?

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Yeah, we agree with you, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
No, he said no. He said, I didn't say no.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
I just say they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Have the team to make it out the first round.
That's what he said. Your team, but Kobe's better.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
He said, Okay, if we had weight on the Rockets roster,
did they make it up?

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Yeah, maybe and they get knocked out second round. I
don't know the winner, bro what what? What year?

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
The way?

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
No team was in his prime at that time. We
put d Waighte in his prime, like if they're both
in their primes. But anyways, anybody got anything else on this?

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
The last thing I got for y'all is Paul Pierce
I have over Team Mac too. Mm hmm, I got,
I got, I got. I think you could make either way,
but I got Paul Pierce over him.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Last last thing we got Shue. We should have talked
about earlier, but Cleveland had media day today. They had
media day, so Field was obviously a big fan of
Cleveland from last year. He ain't on payroll a fan though,
don'ton's man. We all know that Darius Garland max struce
and was one more player those who are gonna be
able to start the season. How do you guys think

(01:51:48):
it will impact obviously, I think Lonzo would Donovan's a
better backcourt in terms of matching up defensively, more length,
Lonzo moves the ball really well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
I don't know what are yours saw? What? So what what? What?
What do we we're.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Dressing that Shoots and Garland are out to start the season.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Start the season.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
You're a Cleveland fan, Bro, I thought I thought, I
thought Cleveland was the best team playing good basketball last year.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
But I never I said I said they was gonna
get out. I want down to do well. I want,
I want.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
I just I thought they was playing really good basketball.
They can translate like they gave me an okay see
vibe where it was not just you had your guy,
but everyone else played their role.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
I think I think it's so hard to win with
two small players in the back court. Bro, That's what
you can't win with a six one and six one
in the back don Actually Don's about six.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
One, Bro. Thomas Brian just signed a one year deal
with Cleveland. That's not a bad pick up.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
My thing is that being a six one, there's only
there's only two guys that have been under six to
four and been the lead championship in the last thirty years,
he Wade and Steph Curry and I don't have Don
Donovan that level.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
No, Bro, I said it. You can't win with two
small guards.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
That's why I think Lonzo actually would be a better fit.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
Yeah, he has toe turf or turf toe. Sorry, he's
still he got surgery. It was reported he's gonna be
like after the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
They reported it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
We talked about it. There's he has turf toe, so
he had surgery and he wouldn't be ready.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
There is nice though, they both nice.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
It's just that if Don's the Don's a two, bro,
so Don playing at two at six six one six two,
that's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
You gotta go. You gotta guard.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
A six seven wing in a playoffs that's you know
what I mean. And it's not a one like regular season. Bro,
You're only playing that team. Okay, you're not scouting that
team like you are in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
But it can work though, when you have to do
it ever. Work got a point though, Derrick Rose, benk Gordon.
They didn't win, they went far.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
And you know what, I'm not comparing twenty twelve Derek
Rose to Don at any point in his career. MVP
d rows is a different level. People had the fucking
flu for his for when he showed up.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
I think this is a big year for Don though,
but this doesn't help it. This is a huge year
for Don because he has to make that next step.
I think last year was that year, no for sure,
but then injuries just yeah, they just derailed them.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
But U.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
I've said it multiple times, I don't think Garland's it.
I think you got.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
I think when you make a team with Donovan bro
you really gotta be like the front course. Cool, that's
that's I think, But it's almost to the point where
do you just he's not a one, but you just
play him with the one. But Lonzo's the right fit
next because you need Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So
Lonzo is a bigger guard, like you can't have you got.
You gotta have somebody that because think you asking Darius

(01:54:48):
and don't want to play defense.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Yeah, I dude, you might have just you might have
broke the color. Gonna be their fucking GM because no,
cap I don't think Lonzo is the fit because at
that point you're winning Don and not Don should be
the point guard. Just give him the ball. He should
be the point guard. He should be Luca for because

(01:55:12):
this is my thing. I say, I say, okay, look
you let Don be Luca. Right, you know he gonna
go get his Then you need to have another wing
that can be a bucket.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
That's right, you're three man. No, you can't throw because
you need to defend. He's already a score with the
ball in hand. He needs a shooter.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
But he said he needs someone else to get a bucket, right, yeah,
should be your one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
No, he is the we're saying, we're playing. We're putting
him at the one. So but it's Donna. Is don
gonna be able to run the floor and actually do
all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
You don't want to overload him, bro, overwhelm them. I
think he's done it though.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
We seen I mean when I when I when I
played with him in Utah, when Mike Conley went out,
he started at the one, Bro. So it's like I've
seen it. Like I said, that's not his natural position,
but he has the ball, and he's saying so much. Anyways,
he plays pick and roll all day, so it's like,
why not you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Come down court, you throw it the don he'd running
the pick and roll.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
Do you think Don's a Legiti number one championship option?

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Yes or no?

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
You don't have to answer if you don't want nope.
I said no, and you said you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:23):
Say yes, yes, I say yeah, Bro, I'm gonna keep
Reil with you, Bro, that I think he's a great too, Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
Second option, Bro, because when you're if you're six one,
six two, as you would say, and you can put
something six eight over you every single time athletic defender,
those are tough bucks you're gonna get. That's not efficient,
and and Don takes some tough shots.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
Bro. I think if you put down on a KC,
a built team like that, I think they have it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
So you think if you were moved on with Shay
they win the champions I.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
Think they have a chance. I don't think they get worse.
The worst.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
I think they're worse are the worse because H's and
we all think she's the best scoring in the league,
and you put worst on be ten.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
Bro, you got but you're not thinking still Shay is
six seven, Bro, six Bro shakesp he's six six, he's
six six, Okay, but ya continue on, Sorry, Bro, Shaye
might be a little bit short. You maybe you sear
six seven. I'm six six six five. Now about what's all?

(01:57:23):
Are you sixteen? That's Bro, you are not sixteen? Promise
you're six.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Bro. He's reported at six eleven, So I say six
nine six ten at six eleven before the ses off,
how tall is your brother?

Speaker 5 (01:57:35):
Ron?

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
Even he got a wrong six eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
Rob's Cathain bro Burton Exactly. There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
I like that it says if if Donovan was with
the Nuggets, he would win a championship. That's because Yo
is the point guard. I think you put him with Okay,
see they got a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
No Bro, So but so do you think he's in
the morning? You said yes, right, I think you could.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
I think, but he's been in the morning. I think
it's been some bad championship. I think he's been on
some bad, not bad teams. I don't think he's been
on championship level team. I'm not gonna lie to you, Bro,
what championship level team has he been on? Name one Cleveland?
Last year they were supposed to trying to get me
in trouble again, they weren't the best team in the East.
Trying to get me in trouble again you rooting for understanding?

(01:58:26):
What do you he was basketball and you have they
Then they threw out a Jerome, Uh, Jill Rome, Max
Strus and uh, what's the other what's the other dude?

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
Name?

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
This this?

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
What's the other guy name? Just tell me the other guy?

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
What's the other?

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
The shooter? White shooter? They had Dean Wade and then
they had number five five.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
Ye, they started playing. They all four was on the
court at the same time they got the field.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
I would argue that what you're saying, I'd argue on
this point, right, Okay, you did say when he Ti
Drome was cooking, look at what Ty Jerome is doing.
That's why this team is so good, because a guy
like Ti Drome can come and.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
You had that, and you had Cleveland coming out. I
want it's on, Wax was Jerome? Did you get Cleveland
coming out the East? He did? He did.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
He did have a legit chance to win the championship?

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
He did. But he did say that they have a
legitimate chances, and I said, watch out for Indiana. That's on.
But you did also say they had legit chance.

Speaker 3 (01:59:36):
I thought they had a legit chance.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
Yes, that's the argument.

Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
I picked Boston, so they had I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Yes, they have.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
They had, they have Merrow, they have Merrow, Todd, Jerome,
Max Strews, Dan Way and then j A.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
So, guys, by the way, show to everybody in the chat,
we appreciate the Cary empty burn for sure. I gotta
ask you guys this though, right, And I'm not saying
he is the problem, but you guys are saying Don
has to do so many different things?

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
Is Don just not is Don just not talling them?

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
Is he the problem because of how he's a missing
He's not a problem. I'm asking because you guys saying
you need to do this around Don instead of saying,
well Don, I'm hearing the team needs to be built
differently around Don.

Speaker 4 (02:00:16):
Rather than you know what it is with Donald bro
I said, I said this, I said this a while back.
The thing with Donn is he came in into the
league on fire so much Bro Like, he didn't go
like this. He was like up top already. So now
it's like he's he's at his that's what he's at
his peak? Like what more can you ask him to do?

(02:00:37):
So my point is with most players, you see gradual
like Kawhi, Like you saw him doing this, this, this,
he was going up, he was involving, he was going
up with.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
Don He just came in like that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:46):
So now it's like it's kind of same situation when
Dame Bro like if they have a little bit of like,
let's say he averaged twenty three twenty four this year,
it's a bad year for him, You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
So as Donovo as a player, has he added a
lot more.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
I think he's gotten better.

Speaker 4 (02:00:58):
But I just think that he didn't have a lot
of room to to like it wasn't gonna be a
dramatic like, oh my god, he got so much better.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Who's a legit two.

Speaker 3 (02:01:06):
That Don's had that were like, that's that's the second
best player?

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
For sure, there's twenty.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
But is it fair to say that the reason why Bro,
that's on Cleveland they never really got over the hump
is because who having done as a number one option?

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
Ain't it? That's just my opinion. I think I think
you got that.

Speaker 4 (02:01:28):
You gotta look into that, Bro, I think who do
you have on Utah? He had broken? I was there
no number two?

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
Mike Conley, Joe Ingles, Yeah, like it wasn't Rudy was
He wasn't the need they needed Uncle Jeff ceiling is.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
I think Don's are two. That's just my opinion. I
think he's a legit to I don't think he's a
number championship two options. I think I think he's a
really fair you can have a one man.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
It's what we've seen.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
Yeah, exactly what makes you think so you think it's
the supporting cast around him.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
I think it's support. So you don't think it's him.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
I think every time you see Don's team get bounced,
the team around him has not played to the level
they are supposed to play at.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
That he did play really poor that one year. One
year we talked about this, that New York series.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
I think that that seriously not play. That's only not.

Speaker 3 (02:02:27):
But every other year he has not played, but his
supporting The year they lost, I think they beat Orlando,
but then they played Boston and he was hurt, but
there was nobody else around him doing anything.

Speaker 4 (02:02:41):
I'm not gonna lie to you, though, bro, when you
can keep in the thing, okay, thing with Don, he
like if shots ain't falling for him, it's tough, bro.
That's why I say he's six six months. He can't
go into post up. He can't go into like it's
so many different things. Like when you're in the playoffs
and I gotta play, I gotta beat you four times.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
I know exactly what I'm trying to attack. Bro, you
get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:03:06):
So it's like his adjustments in the playoffs is gonna
be a little harder because the disadvantage of a height.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
That's why we see it. I think he's gonna have
to be a number two's and that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
And to that point, that does make it tough, because
that's why I said there's nobody and we're going back
to this again. That's why I said Katie is the
ultimate cheat code because his height makes a difference. That's
why I said age was different, because that hype makes
a difference. And you're right about that. Because when you
have Kevin Durant and you got Shay him just being six',

(02:03:37):
five he give you that, shoulder he can get a
shot off any. Time there's no scout for. That, yeah
there's no scout for. That you're right about. That you're
you're right about the option of a if don don't
have it going with the three ball and all. That
it makes it a lot more tough because he's working
hardest funk to. Score but if you got somebody else

(02:03:58):
that you could count, on and all, RIGHT i don't
have to have it all the time that, day but.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
He got to be like to your, point he got
to be an elite. Score so let me ask you guys, this,
right it? Is how?

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
Different is how much better Is don Than?

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
Jamal? MURRAY a lot? Better you guys all believe. That
But jamal in the playoffs and Monster, Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
But just let's let's let's let's just say talent wise
and scoring, wise how? Different forget the playoff.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
From is just way more consistent.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
That?

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
Question jamal had a more. Talent i'm asking, you, Guys
i'm asking, SAID i think that's equal Until jamal got,
hurt right?

Speaker 3 (02:04:37):
Now so?

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Equal? Right?

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
Bro but did you See jamal in the? Bubble, no, no,
No i'm.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
Cool i'm trying to make a. Point let me make.
It i'm. Hearing i'm. HEARING i saw a. Firsthand, yeah
you him And DONALD i saw a first. Hand. Bro
they both dropped fifty this And, bro people don't the.

Speaker 4 (02:04:52):
Thing people don't know What jamal bro he can do
way more than what he's doing right now, Though and
Like yokis is just so dominant that it's, like but
in the, playoffs you see him emerge, bro so you
See jamal just go to another.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
Level so WHAT i would ask, you guys is all
you guys is Is Jamal murray the number one option
because he Needed yogic to really, evolve to really get
the team over the. Hump and if we feel that
way About, jamal THEN i can't Say don's a number
one option because they're very similar in stature and their
games are pretty similar in my. Opinion, Obviously donovan's more,
athletic he taxed him a little bit, more BUT i
think kind of. Similar Jamal murray is not a number one.

(02:05:30):
Option so that's WHY i see them in the same.
REALM i don't know what you guys. Think you think
there's two different.

Speaker 4 (02:05:38):
Plays jamal, Like jamal is bigger, Too jamal sixty three,
right six four six.

Speaker 3 (02:05:42):
Four you can get you agree to disagree on that.
ONE i think HE'S i think he's capable of being
the number one. GUY i don't think that's the, point
AND i think BUT i Think jamal also has a
lot more. Help but that's What i'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
Though SO i, Mean jamal was a number one option
in the, bubble right and then you get your, merge
so you know was, playing but he, Was But jamal's number.
Option i'm, saying, yo the first, round in that first,
round in that first, round you'll get your. Merge and
now he's the real number. One So i'm just asking
if you guys Feel dawn In jamal as the same.

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
Level if you, do then it number.

Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
One jamal has never made An All. Star he's never
that's actually in The West. Star, Yeah domin's like four or.
Five at least he made it in The west, Too
Bro docor Made. Yeah but, anyways y'all got any last
thoughts before we sign?

Speaker 3 (02:06:32):
Out basketball back, baby media days pulling. Up, yeah got
my man man. Here we appreciate you, brother your. Time
back to back to mar stay tuned. In we got
my board ray back, Tomorrow ray ray. Back everybody will give.

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
A big shout to man giving us his. Time, obviously
anytime you want to, welcome you can pull.

Speaker 3 (02:06:53):
Out when that's a, fact that's another show to The.
Baja we appreciate all the, love. Y'all Keep tune in
and tell your, mama tell your, sister tell your. Aunties
we need all the love we can. Get let's get.
It we out of here. Peace he's

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