Is Derrick Rose or Russell Westbrook the better athlete? The Patrick Beverley drama and more

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Ay man, what's going on? I'm ready on my bullshit.
Supposedly Charlie's out here working around with the mic. Yo yo,
I said the mic, I said the mic, A man,
what's going on? We got another episode for you. It's
the last one of the weeks, so we gotta bring
some energy. We got Raymond Felton in the building.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Look look look from now I'm doing the intros. You
didn't even say welcome to the Baja.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
I was getting to that.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome to the Baja.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Man, I don't have to start with that.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We don't have to work on up your first what's
you'll think aspect?

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Is that my first time?

Speaker 5 (00:49):
This is not my first time, No, your first time,
the first time we came live.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
But this is all right. Ma Hey, we're gonna put
that on. Weren't put that on? Wax. I've been billing
for three years, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's a fact. That's a fact. You definitely have.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
What we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I can work. Let's do it. Take it from the top.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm not sorry we welcome to the Baja. That's just
not where I'm go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
What's good, everybody, Welcome to the motherfucking Baja.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
We got my boy home with me to the right.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
We got national Chance to the left and to my right.
But then a lot take something just like bad and
tray young world. Let's get care right, let's take it
away home.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
What we got?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh well, we're first turn off with Cooper. Got y'all,
I got y'all. We we we in Dallas. I was
having a conversation with Jay, you know, Jay shout out
to Jay matter room. Can Cooper flight average twenty this year?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yes or no? It's a simple question.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
He look, he got me thinking, no, cap you wound out? Hey, yeah,
my bad.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
It's like Friday for us.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
I get it work. It's already thinking about the weekend
and bad.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
You can get it on the jet skizer, you feel me?
What's the roles? It is called the.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Boat one's mumblebee?

Speaker 4 (02:30):
No, No, what's the actual what's the brand? WATERCRAFTA? It
was cool? But yeah, back to the question, Ken Cooper
average twenty? Yes or no?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
This year?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I mean, listen, Kyrie's out eighty. You know he might
not start the season. They're saying he should be ready
for training camp. Maybe maybe not.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Let him rock out, let him learn.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
I don't think Hey, this year, I think eventually he could, but.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
This year, no, I think he'll have a lot of
games where he averaged, where he'll get twenty points more. Yeah,
but to average twenty as a rookie, that's it's hard, bro,
that's hard to agree on a very good team.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Very few rookies of average twenty, right.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
You know, a few, very few. And the thing is,
you gotta be really good. You gotta be really good.
He's going to get the opportunity, Joe, that's the suit
I think. I don't think it's not that he's not capable.
I think he's more of a basketball player where he's
going to be making plays for others. He's gonna be
creating rotations, playing off closeouts and stuff like that. That's

(03:30):
the type of player he is right now.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
But he'll be flirting with it though. Don't get a trip,
don't get a twisted.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I think average like fifteen, that's solid. No, fifteen, sixteen, Listen, Silid,
there's a lot of great players who don't average twenty.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That's hard to do.
Ray Felon Tarville.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
Come on, man, what y'all average all rookie year? You
got a lot of minutes you got more than twelve?
We talked about that.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, yeah, I think it was like thirteen.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
I was like twelve.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, and y'all play big, Y'll play thirty minutes a game?
Minutes of players a rookie?

Speaker 6 (04:04):
What rookies average twenty? What about Mellow? What about Millow?
What do you ever?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I want to say mill was like ninety AI.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Oh yeah, I definitely. Did you want to hear eight?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
The name Tyreek Evans ooh, twenty five and five.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
As a rookie twenty five, twenty five.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Lately I'll be thinking, I thought he said twenty five the.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Same ship with twenty and five.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Man from Scottie Barn twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Twenty five and five, twenty and five and five now
clarified now, But that's crazy, right, put in perspective, only
him and Lebron, only two rookies ever average twenty five,
twenty and five and five.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah, he not averaging twenty Terry Evins shout outs with Tyreek.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Okay, so you guys want to know the names. We
got wemby Zion Luca.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Who who right behind it? That's what I said. We're
right there. Yeah, I mean you saying it was like
a landslide.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
You seem like it was oll Like, yes, serious, right now,
defensive wise rebounded you're talking about overall, I'm talking about dominant.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
I'm talking about just's not dominant. Yeah he is dominant.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Okay, he's done on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Listen, I'm sticking with I'm going with Zion bro it's
not Carolina right below us.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
I'm with them that he's not wrong with the international player.
That's what it is. That's what makes sense. It makes sense.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
So you guys want to know the players average twenty
pretty much all Hall of famers. So we continuing down
the list. Blake Griffin hall of Famer. No, I mean,
I mean like Blake Griffin. The Hall of Fame has
to be I don't know if he.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Has Tim Hardaway is one. He has to be Tim Hardway.
Who Tim Hardway Senior?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
No, Now, Blake Griffin might be a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
If Blake Tim Hardaway first, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Let you know, he had a run. Blake Griffin had
a run. But it was like three years.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
It was like six years.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh, it was because he cooked at Detroit. He had
he cooked it.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Remember in Detroit. He was cooking.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
He had a good run.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
Blake, Blake, Mine make it. I don't think his first ballot.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
My first ballot.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
No, he's a six time All Star, he has five
All NBA teams, no first teams, Rookie of the Year, obviously,
slam Dunk champion. He scored almost fifteen thousand points average
nineteen eight and four for his career.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Those are Hall of Fame numbers.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
This was solid.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, solid, get in there. One day, he's one of those.
One day we got tyre Gevans. Obviously not a Hall
of Fame, but he's there. Kevin Durant, Carmelo, Anthony Lebron,
James Elton Brand, Tim Duncan. I thought mellow and okay, yeah,
so the list is crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think the team's too good for Cooper the average Twins.
It's too good.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think they're too deep. I think they got a
team that got a lot of guys who can't anybody
can have a good night.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Are they actually that good thought to start off the year.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
I don't think it'd be a situation where he gonna
beat them, even with those guys being out, He's not
gonna be the vocal point He's not going to be
that main guy that they go to every night they
get buckets and stuff like that. Nazie Marshall, you took
all these guys that you got Klay Thompson, Yeah, and
d Lo there. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah,
you got other guys that J kidd is probably gonna

(07:18):
trust more right away than Cooper.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Were you legit asking if they were good or you
were just trying to make covers?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
No, I'm asking because when you think about it, Kyrie's out.
If ads out to start the season, that's that's eighty million,
that's ninety million dollars lost.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
You still got PJ. Washington, You still got a crew.
Bro Ad gonna play because he has.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
To heal a bad team.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
But like if they're if they're playing at five hundred,
like are they a good team at five hundred?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I don't think that's a five hundred team.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I think without Kai and if Aid doesn't play start
the season, I think they're gonna be around five hundred.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
I don't think I think a D starts the season
if in a.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Different conversation eye surgery, I think I still healing. So
they said his timetable is gonna may or may not
line up. He got lay No, I think he had
to detach right now or something like that.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Oh I remember correct. He had a serious eye surgery,
so they said he may not be ready on time.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Hey fucking kareem that bitch.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, I mean no, that has nothing to do with that, bro.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
He can't see.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Something to attached in the back of his head. It's
not like when you had something like a little laser.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Don't down play my lasi. That's what you did. You
did lasik surgery. Yeah, I had lasi.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
So you see twenty twenty. Now this one is still
a little blurry. I got p r K in this one,
So this will take a little. This one technique.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Here's his lack of on court activity is troubling, not
for the Mavericks, but they're saying they don't know if
he's going to be ready for opening night.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
So that's all I'm saying. So if he's not there,
who else you going to.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Load?

Speaker 5 (08:50):
But the question is is he going to average twenty?
I mean, he can have twenty the first month, but
is that going to continue throughout the season.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
So I don't think it's the rookie wall real that
shit for ship.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
So talk about the rookie all a little.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Bit unless you are it's one of them special players
where you don't you run right through that motherfucker. I mean,
it's it's a lot of games, a lot of games
back to back that you're not used to, that you're
not used to exactly, and experiencing this for the first time.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
This is the first time you experience. We came in.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
When we came in, least ninety games because we had
to play eight preseason, eight preseason game.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
They played hell a.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Pre I remember now, it's like three or four preason Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Barely something. You got two. Yeah, it was eight preseason game.
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
And y'all used to do a lot more four games
of five nights.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh yeah, that was a rag.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, y'all used to do a lot more of that too.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
And y'all had the y'all used to do too a
days practice two days.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. So here's what here's what I'm
saying for Cooper. You asked me he might average twenty
for the first month. If you average twenty for the
first month and eighty comes back, wouldn't he still be
the second option with with eighty. If he's cooking like
that and yeah, wait until it changes.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I just think if it was like a it was,
he's not. I don't look at Cooper as a score.
He ain't average twenty in fucking college college different game. Yeah,
the NBA is harder.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
That's harder to score. But let me ask you guys.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
What we're saying is Cooper flag is a player like that.
He can passes, he rebounded defense, you know, he does everything.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
So I don't see him just being a twenty point
a night guy. Can he get something? He might get thirty,
get thirty.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I think if Cooper averaged twenty, I don't think that's
good for the MAVs. I think I don't think the
team that good if he got an average twenty.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
That was kind of my point. I don't think the
teams that good. Don't play so he will. That was
where I was coming from.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'm gonna be honest with you, bro, I think you
really disrespected who was on this team.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Gafford Live, Gafford Live.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
So isn't this a situational league? You guys can all
speak to that. If they say, let's give Cooper the ball.
Let's give Cooper the ball, see what he can do.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yes, that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
But Cooper is a right play type like listen, even
from high school, Cooper has always been a and that's
why I love his game, because he makes the right
plays every single time. He's not a go for sit
type of guy a lot. He's not a go shoot
over to people type of guy. If he draws two,
he gonna find the open man. It's gonna be a
swing swing for somebody else. Cooper's gonna average fifteen. Yeah,

(11:27):
I can see twelve to fifteen points. If he has
to go average twenty points, this team is not good,
but I don't think. I think they have a good
team around him where he doesn't have to have that pressure.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
He is a number one pick.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
He is one of the most beneficial number one picks
that we've seen it a long time. He don't have
that much pressure on him.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
He doesn't have to carry the load. He don't gotta
be great, he doesn't have to carry well.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
I would say to you, I mean, I agree with that.
I think Cooper is gonna get easy six to eight
just in transition and steals like that's gonna.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Be easy for him.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
So that's what that's where I was coming from.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
But makes sense, Peter, Do you want to roll the
clip of the main topic of today, Pat Bev versus
Trey Young wasn't really a contest though.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
We got six foot in under argument.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
That's crazy, like six to two. Run that clip, I'm asking,
I don't know, I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's Pete. You're sleeping on the wheel, Pete, run the clip.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
He's really sleeping right now.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Damn my fault, people, Peter back that drunk got a
drug testy.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Pop bav Bro.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Peter fuck is going talk for ten minutes? What too much?

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Home?

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Too much?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
He doesn't have it? Drop my fault? Okay, all right,
hold up?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Oh damn, but he was just playing it on the screen.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
No, no, no, here, I'll sending him right now.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Give me some technical dip.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
We have some technical difficulties.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
My fault. Guys.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
You know I just sent it to you in the screen.
What we're doing with the screen?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yo?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Can you remove the Cooper flag poll? By the way
as well, Peter.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
When you get a chance, we apologize to the chat, Yes.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Sir, we apologize my fault.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
My fault. Higher up.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
You got to talk to the people. Man, It's Thursday,
but it's really Friday for us. Man, these guys are
on vacation already, Man, already week.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
What's wrong on Peter?

Speaker 4 (13:32):
That's me.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
He's light skinning, he's little fun for the people of
the check. We about to talk about.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Tree Young, Peter, you do have it. It's called Tree Young.
But wait, we got some more facts for you.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
Nothing to do with any of the guys, legacies and
players that I'm about to name, because to be honest,
I didn't really want to mention anybody's name in this
because this is between me and you. You play with
some big time players, my guy. You talk about winning
and impacts, winning all these things. You've been on some teams,
some big time players. How about go through a list

(14:06):
of these guys Lebron, Giannis Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George and
man Kat And we're not even gonna talk about how
we celebrate playing wins. I win playing games on the
road and I'm ready to get to the playoffs. You
win playing games at home and you standing on the
scorers table like it's the championship. We celebrate wins different too.
But let me get back to these guys. You've had

(14:27):
some great teammates over these years that you've only been
able to make the conference finals with because your impacts
was that strong one time. James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Sweet
Limon pepperlou.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
And Dwight Howard.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
I can go on and on them. Is just the
Hall of famers that I could just pop on the
list right now. It's not name some of the guys
that I know may have listened to you when they
was around you, but the way they act is not
the way you act. Even from the young guys who
are going to be future All of famers. A guy
who just won MVP, a guy who just won a championship,
I know he looked out to you as a rookie,

(15:00):
but you saw what happened when he left. Because we
don't even need to get into that, some of them
are still adding on to their legacies in the game
of basketball. We're talking basketball here. In one conference finals,
in one conference finals, show for it. Your impact for
winning was very strong.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
Huh.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
This ain't no shot again to them guys, because I
know from being in my shoes, I know how hard
it is to win in this league. I know how
much lucky you have to have on your side to
win at a high level and go playing the June
like you said, because you play in June every year.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Huh.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
You've been able to play with all these guys and
you talk about impact winning, Where was your real impact
in winning? I know you were labeled as a tough defender,
a great defender, and the accolades say that you were.
But I promise you, anytime he was on the court
with me, I was never scared of you. I was

(15:54):
never scared of Patty Bev. I promise you. And as
you can tell Patty, don't scare me now. And also
let me clarify my tweet for you, since you want
to do it this way. Relax, let us speak for ourselves.
It's simply just that. Let us speak for ourselves. Some
of us have different opinions than others. But if you

(16:15):
have somebody who's a non All Star, who's never been
to the All Star Game, never even had a chance
or even felt like he had a chance when he
was playing in this league, say that the guys who
are All Stars take the game for granted when we're playing.
I can't speak for every All Star that's been there.
I can only speak for myself, and I just wanted
to let you know that you need to relax because

(16:35):
not every All Star that's played in the game or
plays in the game wants to play the way we
do or wants to see the type of performances that
we've had. So when I say, let us speak for ourselves,
I mean just that, Patty, let the All Stars speak
about us. Let the All Stars speak about the game.
Everybody has an opinion. You have an opinion, but just

(16:55):
don't be disrespectful.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
I respect it. I respect I respect to comeback. I mean,
I don't mind not like this tone. What you mean
it his tone, I don't know, a little bit more
base in your voice and some right, just a little bit,
a little bit, a little.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
More conviction there was he was talking ship. It was
smooth though it was. He was talking ship. He was
hitting them on straight facts and I respect that. But
it was just like, it's too calm.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
It was too calm.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
I mean, you're gonna go back a somebody, you gotta
go back.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
Listen, listen to the message, not the delivery, right, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (17:37):
It was tough to listen to the whole thing. It
was tough to listen to the whole thing. Like, if
you want some tips, go look at me and Ray.
We did it right to go with the motherfucker. Y'all,
ain't ask somebody I forgot play the clip. All I've
saying is I respect what he said. He went back

(18:00):
at him. He responded to him live. Uh hey, he
pubbed his podcast. I think the delivery was the delivery.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Was you want me to come out and say that
it was.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Cut up, really trash. There was a lot of cuts.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
But before you say, before you say that, I gotta
say that, I gotta that's you.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
You gotta be careful.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
No, I'm talking Pap Bath now, Pap Bev right where
you have to be careful comparing yourself to other players.
That's a fine line because people are now gonna critique it,
and people are gonna go through the The Intern is
always gonna win. The Intern is undefeated. They always gonna
find some ship. Comparing yourself to another player. I mean,

(18:46):
I'm gonna say, and no disrespect from Papa Pap Bath,
but one hundred out of a hundred times we picking
Tray Young over Pat Bev. Let's be real, right. So
at the end, of the day. Be careful, bro, be
careful man, because I picture you over that back.

Speaker 8 (19:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
It just wasn't. It wasn't needed. It wasn't there you go, there,
you go. It wasn't. It wasn't needed for what he said.
It wasn't.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
The question was why on All Stars and listen, Trey said, Yo, bro, like, no,
don't say that about everybody. Let us talk about it.
You know what I'm saying. Granted, did Trey have to
say that, No, but he did. Your response didn't have
to go. When you compared the careers, they don't do that.

(19:40):
That's where he kind of lost this there.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
He lost us.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, that's where he lost everybody because once he started
comparing the careers, were like, all right, bra.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
Look well, no, he lost He lost me and everybody.
When he said he can't even talk.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I was wild.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
He can't even talk to so another NBA player can't
talk to another NBA player.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
He can't even talk to me.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
I was like, hey, because if we really been if
we're gonna be real about it, Trey Young has played
less years and done less and we're gonna remember trade
before Pat I'm.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Gonna remember his celebration the playing celebration to you remember
that forever.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
That will always be remembering.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
He acts like you want a championship on that we
talking about hooping here.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
But let me ask you guys this, right, if you
want a championship, is it different if you're NBA champ?
Who if Pap was the NBA champ? Could he could
he say that? You know you're know about winning? If
he was like an integra role player on a championship team.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Maybe different situations, different calibers of players. Bro, you gotta
compare apples to apples. You're not comparing apples to apples here, Bro.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
So playing double's advocate was all we've all watched it.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
I'm gonna give you an example. A dude, I mean,
and I don't think and I know this guy that
I'm about to name, he's He would never do this.
He would never say anything. He would never even get
into no argument like that with him. But Mario Thomas,
Mariol Thomas was never an All star, he was never
none of that. But guess what, he's a champion and
winner and played a big time role. Yes, winner.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yes, it started on the championship team.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
Champions started on championship team. With some bona fide players,
and he played a big key role some big shots.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
So what I'm saying is I say this the same
guys like that is not even speaking that. He wouldn't
He was never an All star, you know what I'm saying.
But he would never come out and attack a guy
like that. He would never do that, you know what
I'm saying. Like, so it's like that, come on, bro,
you did some good stuff in the league. May you
made you some good money. You know what I'm saying.
People respected you as a defender, like Trey say, nobody

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was scared of you. People respected you. You was a
good defender. You played hard, You was a leader. You
know what I'm saying. You help people accountable. You know
what I'm saying. So, like you got your respect and
your flowers. But bro, don't go don't go ahead.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Don't go ahead. Guys like that. I got to say yesterday,
don't go ahead.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Guys like young you have to like trade like thirty
four thirty five. Yeah, he got a lot more basketball
to play and a valid point Trey had. He don't
play with a lot of guys with some killers. Now
with some killers. Trey ain't playing with a lot of guys.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, he hasn't.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
It's always going to be somebody better than you, man,
There's always gonna be somebody.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Best teammates Lou.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
You talked about pure talent Lou Will yeah or VC
who oh yeah VC.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
It was at the end of his career when you
played the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
I mean it was Yeah. Who was on the team
when Gallinari Gallinari Cole the team? John Collins, John Collis,
So yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
His best teammate is probably Lou. But was at the
end of his career though, wasn't he was he still cooking?

Speaker 6 (22:58):
He was still cooking still, Lou was still cooking in
his career. He was still frying Lou Wis.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I think it just comes down to the fact that
what what CV said when you start comparing, can't do that.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
This levels to it.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
If it came from Mario Chalmers, I don't know if
people really going at Mario like that because of what
he has done. So to your sir, it might be championships.
Mario been on some big teams and we remember Mario
being important in those runs.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
And just win another championship in a Big Three with
the game win three. Remember Mario for Maon Chomas just
like that he was in college to when.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
He hit that three over d ros or whoever he
did to win the national championship.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
He's a gamer, He's a he's a winner, period. That's
that's what you're gonna say.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
He's a winner. It's a winner. He takes big shots
and he ain't scared to take him.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
And then and then you made it awkward now because
like you, like, I done talked to some guys who
know about you.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
That's what I want to ask.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Trade's team. I'm like, listen to this trade team period.
Team Dallas was Lucas team period. Lebron wherever team he
goes to is his? Well, ain't this year?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
But uh, Steph Curry, when you go to the Warriors,
who team is it? Step Come on.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Bron, that that that's the NBA. He if anybody know,
that's Pat Bath. Every team you've been on the Superstar
is day team and you have to fit who you're
gonna be a vet.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
How are you gonna help.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
This star when your role on the next was what
helped Melo make Mellow look good.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
But I ask you, guys, this right is it not
different for every superstar, Like I'm gonna use Tim Duncan
because you guys are mad am using stuff. If you
go to the Spurs, like, it doesn't feel like it's
Tim's team, He's just one of the guys.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
But everybody know that's Tim's team for sure, But it
don't feel like because because Pop is a type of coach.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
He coached.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah, he treated everybody the same way like I saw him.
Tim duggan out like he was the seventeenth man.

Speaker 2 (25:00):

Speaker 1 (25:01):
That's what I'm saying though, Like, is it trade makes
it feel like his hit his team versus other leaders,
which is very inclusive.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, you know, but he chose the one rare current.
I mean that's literally, that's no, that's literally the only team.
Steve Kerk treats him like royalty.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, but I'm talking about the leadership of the of
the leader. I'm not talking about the overall team.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
No, no, no. Pop emphasized that it's not just Tim
Duncan's team. Right, you go to the Warriors, you know what,
steam Steve Kirk gonna make sure you know he listen.
I don't give a fuck who you are.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
You passed that ship to thirty thirty shooting up thirty shooting.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
It's the leadership they exude, right, Like, that's what I'm
talking about. It's the selfish, selfless leadership is I'm asking you.
It's like maybe I feel like that's what he's speaking about.
More so just like who shoots the ball thirty times
a game?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
No, because there's there's there's leaders that like was Mellow
very vocal or he was just going out there doing
this thing like Luca didn't talk that much. He was
talk but he wasn't a vocal leader. But we all
knew he's young. It was his ship, and we go
as far as he go. Right, It's just because he

(26:15):
don't say it, don't mean we don't know he's showing it.
He's showing it. We all know it's Steph's team. We
all know it's Trey Young's team. We know Orlando that
ship going through Polo, we know in Cleveland's going through Donovan,
we know in New York going through James Brunson. Like
we know these things, and it's one of those things.

(26:35):
Was like, you don't shoot the ball at the end
of the game if you up twenty points, like those
unwritten rules and you just know these things without having
to be said. So, like I said, biggest thing that
comparison shit pick poison.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
And I think Pat bavview Og was a real o.
G hit him up right. If you're trying to like
you a vet, he's still young.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Boy.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
If you feel something about his game, then voice your opinion.
But privately, boy, call him out blast. He's not even
in the same like rehealm as me.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Why call him? Why call him? Though I'm talking? Why
even call him?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
If you have problems game? That's his game, Like, why
does it bother you so much?

Speaker 6 (27:17):
I mean, I feegre on that too, especially if we
never played with each other, we don't have a relationship.
You call them unless you call me to help me.
You're not about to call my phone talking about some
man your game is.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Man who you Yeah, it's a reflection more on I
think Pat Bath more than anything because hit a nerve right,
and he responded right away. On how Trey Young responded,
it just wasn't it. I would have done it a

(27:50):
lot different man, and I just would have done the
whole compariship ye opening up the gates.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
With that, There's some important context he complained about the
All So Game all stars don't want to play, and
Tray said, relaxed, let us speak for ourselves, and he
attacked Trade so like he's so out of pocket, Like
there's no there's no explanation for it.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Who's out of pocket? Trade?

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Oh? Because he just said relaxed, let us speak for ourselves.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
I mean, if he has an opinion on the way
these guys need to start playing in the All Star Game,
and that's cool, because I have an opinion about it.
We don't have an opinion exactly. Like I'm not mad
about his opinion. I'm mad that the way he came
back once Trey said let us all Stars, and then
I would have came back like, look, young fella, I
get it. I would never an All Star. But all
I'm saying is you all stars, when y'all go to

(28:34):
these games which your go play harder, that's it. Like
he could have came back like that, but he came back,
feel me. But then he come back on some man,
you you can't even talk.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
To me, and we've talked about We talked about that
a lot. I mean that's the same thing as respect
to telling your homeboy that you play eight years with yo,
might be going a different direction. That's Pat Beth came
out from some bitter ship.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
You just want what it sounds like, and he got it.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
And I said, he got it. He got what he
wanted because he got to respond. And everybody waiting to
see what Pat bev say. But at the same time
for us, for Ray and especially both of y'all because
y'all played at a high level when y'all done it,
y'all not going about it that way, and we said
it before, y'all you said it yesterday.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
Just play a little bit harder. Well, he didn't attack
me personally. Somebody attacking me personally as a man, then
I might my response might be a little different. I
mighta I might have came I might have came at
him a little differently. But if you didn't really come
at me, he was like, man, just and relax. Just
let the all stars know speak for himself. I would
have took that personal came back and said something. But

(29:47):
I would have came back like, hey, young fellow, you
can't even talk to me like.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
That? Was that was crazy?

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Needless to say, Pat Bath, he can't talk to you,
Oh for sure, he's in the same room, not in
the same rum. He can fuck he's above come one hundred.
I picking trade Young one hundred times over.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
One hundred is one hundred million dollars player, right.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeahs Tying.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
I mean he can definitely talk to you easy, He
can definitely talk to you.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
But it ain't even about the money.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's about I'm at the max player.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
He's a spooper, yeah he can. He can play bad
like you. That's all about to say. Like Trey Young,
he was also for a reason, like he can fucking hoop.
So it ain't even about the bread. It's about like
this man can talk to you because he's a bona
fire hooper just like you like it, ain't you know.
And a lot of people may look at me crazy
like him, like y'all because y'all two different players. By

(30:47):
what you bring to the game a lot. I would
love the type of player like you on my team
because that's how I like to play with. Great play, hard,
play defense, cool. But Young thirty, the nighted guy, that's
the type of guy he is. He can get at you,
thirty if you want to, you know what I'm saying.
So I don't know, it's just different. And that's when
you open up ship like this, When you make comments

(31:08):
like that, you open up a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, he opened a lot of stuff. Now did I.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
See uh that clip said on the chat about every
time you.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Sent me yesterday were diabolical?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
The same clip talk about that clip.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Talking about when when he was cooking, he was cooking
pat back, Yeah he get listen said no one's scared
of him.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
We respect him, don't scare the yo.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
He hit him with you average seven and two? Oh yeah,
that was that was all right?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
So I got a question for y'all. This is hypothetical.
I'm using examples, guys. We're not saying shack her cheme,
but I'm just using example with you guys as NBA players,
if you were a point guard on your team, would
you prefer someone that is just completely skilled like I'm
not completely but a lot more skilled like Kakeem or
an athletic dominant player like Shaq?

Speaker 4 (32:11):
What do you guys prefer?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
And a point guard comparison is like Kyrie versus d
ros Ah.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
I'm taking dominant player. There's no one can guard Shaq.
Dominance is not guardable. Somebody that's skilled might be able
to figure out some type of scheme. Somebody that's dominant
is going to be dominant at all times. And I

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think Shaq that's why people will put Shack above Elijah,
right because Shaq was the most dominant player. But we
all know Elijahn was way more skilled than Shaq, and
Shaq will say that himself. But you're always gonna put
dominance over skills.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
He put it like that. Yeah, I mean I have
to agree, Like I will love a ski old guy.
But when you got a guy like you said that
you have no answer for every night you're gonna have
to double tea them, follow them to do something, you
have nothing to stop him, then.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with the dominance as well.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, if you can't shoot, they just packed the pain.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
They sha how are you guarding that animal? Gona we
gotta pick somebody else?

Speaker 4 (33:23):
No, no, no, I'm using it as an example.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Let's let's go. Let's let's go to White Howard in Orlando.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
And a skilled player like Hakeem No, not not Hackeen,
because that ain't fairy.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
IM about to say I'm going on key.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
To White and Elton Brand something like that. I'm talking no.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
But but you guys are Hold up, Hold up what
I'm trying to explain to you guys. Let's not use
the player as an example. We're using just do you
want something that sheredominantly athletically.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I think it matters because if you Shack, everyone's picking Shack.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Okay, but okay, let's use a different one. Let's use
Steve Nash and John Wall.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
That's a great comparison. Someone super skilled that can do everything,
or someone super athletic.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Ah, I'm going with Steve Nash.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
I'm going with Steve Nash because he I mean he
he won more.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
John won some games, but he won more. Steve want more.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
I'm not even gonna look at as the winning. I'm
like to me, I feel like Nash is gonna make
you better. I would love to play you. Actually me,
I would love to play with Steve Nash because I
know he's gonna pass the ball if I know, if
I've run that floor, I'm gonna get the ball.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Right.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
That's me being selfish and me thinking, you know, John two,
but John's more of a score I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, he was way more, more.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
More than John's pure point guard. Yeah, he was pure
point guard.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Was a pure point guard. John, he's a point guard.
In that comparison, I'm going Steve. I think if we're
going big, let's say the white fucking Okay, hold on,
I'm gonna give y'all go. I'm gonna give you Today's
you going with yo Yo guy? By oh, you're going

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with yo kids. They're both skilled, they're still two different players.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
You got an athletic dude over here, who's who can
one of the best defensive players in the league. He
can possibly be one of the best defensive players in
the league. And he's a scorer. You can shoot the three.
He's skilled.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Then you got Joki, who is your all purpose guy.
He ain't really a good defender. Nothing about that man.
Nothing athletic but man.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
So let's take away the m vps and everything talk
about players. Yokis is three years in and we saw
what we saw. Who you picking.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's tough. I see here you go.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Yeah, we also haven't seen what one bee can do.
I'm you know what I mean, We've seen what I
can't get any better than what the kids has done.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Is that Yet, Biggs are tough. Bigs are tough.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
You can't teach seven three with the seven and the shooting.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's just me.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
If you're building a team, I understand, I'm going, I'm going, yok,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I'm going with but I'm going, I'm sorry. Are you
mad at No, I'm not mad. It's no role answer,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
It's no answer with that and no cat and I
might get crucified this, but healthy NB, I'm taking in
b too over whoy and Be's an issue, bro And
we've seen how healthy and when he's healthy, he is
easily huh when he leaves yesterday, when he's easy when

(36:46):
and that's what I was going to say. I was
gonna say, skill wise, you can go uh uh yoke. Indeed,
I'm gonna be honest. Bro embeid Yeah, he can't get
you any way you want it, No, Diddy, you gotta
clarify that. But I'm telling you, brot and Be, when

(37:10):
he healthy, top three in the league, you can't stop him.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
You can't stop them. You can't you can't stop.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
You can't stop I think unless one, unless it be,
you still can't stop them.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
But them the two that kind of like it's like
hearing him.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
It's like god Zilla and fucking King call.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Guys what means the best defender this year?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I think he will be.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
How did he do gainst jokes? I don't watch those games.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
I don't think when he didn't get cooked? But you
know he made things difficult at times for Yokis. But
let's be honest, that man just smart. He just knows
he figured things out. That's just who he is, and
that's what That's one of the things I love about.
You can guard him a way for a while and

(38:08):
you might be successful, but it's not going to It's.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
So tough because we've seen a great sympesize from Yo
Kicchen and be Wimby has the opportunity to fucking blow
them niggas out the water.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
And that's what's crazy. That the scary part.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Over them do anything with him, though I don't think so,
not right now. Under the hole.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yes, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
There's there's ways around if he learns how to use
his frame where like, yes, you're gonna physically dominate, of course,
but at the same time, I don't gotta bang with you.
I'm gonna just use my fucking length, all right, sooner
pull the chair no, Diddy, God, we can't say Charlie's insane.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Id he say nothing? Bro, I'm chilling over here. Bro,
I ain't saying nothing, man, Bro, just listen.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
But seriously, though, like that that that was. That's a
good one. Though, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I like that. Yeah, point guard wise.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Who we know when we jumping, we know what we're
jumping into.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
We gotta take that down there.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
It's a good poll.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
No good but uh, you got the graphic.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yeah, we can bring up Peter has a graphic.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
So more explosive, more athletic, more dynamic. Russell Westbrook, d
Rose or John Morant. We didn't add job, but we
have all Right, let's just go.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
Let's go to o G. Let's go. Let's go rusting.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Uh, d Rose, God, that's hard, bro athletics, that's hard.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
We got some clips. We can get some clips to them. Peter.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Let me ask you guys this though you you came
out here and said on the podn't run your race.
There are secial because d Rose flu you ever heard
of Russell westbroksoo, I haven't heard.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Of that yet.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
And I will say that I would say this, and
I don't think he would mind me saying that.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I talked to Chris Paul.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I remember going to a game in Houston and Chris
is like, fuck, we got Rush tonight. Not because he's nervous,
because it's because he knows what's gonna go about a thousand,
thousand miles per hour, and you got to be fucking
ready the whole game. Get your wrists so you are listen,

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people are prepared for Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Your risks.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
But d Rose All Star year, I'm serious, bro, And
like if you listen, there were guys. I remember, there
was guys like like being sick when it was time.
I'm like, they're sick again, this dude's sick. They playing
Chicago to night so while you rose, So it became

(40:55):
a thing like they was like saying it around the league,
like the dudes got the.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
D Rose flu.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
This is what I would say, though, just quickly, I'll
let you guys rock out age. The Charlie's point kind
of like the gravity situation with Russ you have no breaks.
Derek Rose was methodical, like he wasn't going one hundred
miles an hour every single second of the court.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Russell Westbrook, he wasn't.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
But that's what made it so bad because he'd be
chilling and all of a sudden he goes one hundred miles.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
And then my other other thing would be Okay, my
other thing would be Derek Rooks, who's more explosive.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
No, I'm on the bench.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
I'm sitting betch I remember that one, Bro, We're just
showing one clip.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I'm sure it's like an eight minute clip.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
So the next one, Lord, have mercy. Now when he
dunked on Tragic, Yeah, you're still going up. We gotta
play that one.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
It's It's a tough comparison, though, because almost when Russ
is sprinting at you this this is one of the
most insane dunks. First of all, camera, ain't go crazy.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
What the that's your point guard?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
You look at the teams standing like, what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (42:17):
At the rim?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
What are you? Are you kidding me? Bro? Yeah, the
movie is here. He can't look great. Yeah, I had
that high school, I had that. Ain't got it, ain't
had no more.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
When we pulled up raised dunk contest, Yeah, I mean
Russ serious too.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Now you to go to dunks, Bro, Who's who's faster?

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Ah, I'm going d Rose. I don't know. I never
played d No better than us. Russ quicker, Rose, Rose quicker,
changing the paces crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I think the Rose got the twitch. Yeah, he's quick,
change the direction is but straight line. Oh, I think
Book is more athletic.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
I think I'm gonna go with Rush too. I'm gonna
go with Rush.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, go with Rush, Bro. He's way more athletic.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Man than the Rose. Used to float though.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Six four d Rose six six. Oh yeah, that matters.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
The hangtime on d Rose is crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
That matters.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
So okay, all right, I mean that's that's fair. I
really can't choose one. I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm kind of fifty to fifty. So let me ask
you all this. Do y'all think John Moran more athletic
than both of them?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yes, but I think I think is Russell faster than him?
Faster who than Jaws? I thinks quick.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I think both of them are faster than Joe.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Yeah, be fast, but Jo's very quick.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah. Yeah, but I think Josh athletic the most athletic.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I know he's the most exposed.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Yeah, Jo, John caught some seven foot of some kind
of body.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
He did, but he didn't count. Oh yeah, that was crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
But then wouldn't you guys say Russell is probably the
most athletic because he can he can elevate the those
and he's the fastest.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Like when you combine the.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Two, he can.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
Y'all pull that clip up with John dunked on on
he went down the middle of the playoff game, not Wimby.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
It's a playoff game.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
It's Minnesota, Minnesota, right, yeah, I think y'all pull that
one up.

Speaker 8 (44:31):
Man.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
We got to see that dunk. Bro, bring it up, Peter, Peter,
let me get that dunk of Joe in the playoffs
versus Minnesota when he went down the middle. Hey, listen,
I'm gonna go with Rust in this one. You're going
with us because because.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Russ, what's this? What's this? What's this?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
No, it ain't landed landed landed perfectly fine.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
But that's not even the crazy ship he he's done though.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That's that's crazy. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
That's not even pull up dunk the best dunks. Just
pull that up. Just pull that up when you get
a chance. Crazy and it was headed crazy. What's going
on in South Carolina?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Bro? When he went, when he went, you.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Got Ion, go down there, you have water?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Ya? You Ray up there? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (45:23):
I had bounced with bounce, Charlie. This is not gonna
do We're not gonna do this. You know we're not
gonna do this. You want to pull up my high
school clips? You want to see those? O God, that's stupid. Yeah, stupid,
rad and have bounce.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Probably know what I had bounced?

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Did you punch on Charlie once?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Probably on Charlie? Better knock it off. Better stop it.
I punched on Ray when Steve Pray Carolina.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Stop it. You did not punch on me. What you're
doing as a teammate after that, you go pick.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
A bu that's tough.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
You know, I got a clich We talked about Duncan
when uh DeAndre Jordan dunked on Brandon.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
That's the best dunk. Oh my goodness, just right here though,
John Murran got it, bro what we're talking?

Speaker 4 (46:22):
No, No, he's not.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
He's not as fast as Ross. You gotta come stronger.
Russ is the better athlete in my opinion, Yeah, the
better overall athlete. Rus is stronger, He's faster, can jump higher.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Russ is a physical specimen. Yeah, he is something wrong
with that nigga.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
He like you played with him, you guys you played
against him. Has he really lost that much of a step.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
No, he's still with un That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Bro, He isn't.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Really he's not. Definitely not athletic not.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I haven't seen him. I know he has, but it
doesn't look like he has from to me.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
He's just like Lebron, like Lebron, like Lebron, don't jump
as high, but he still jumps high.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, Lebron went to the lane this year with the
right and oh yeah, cradle. You know how it is
when you get older, though sometimes you have good days.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
We can't see the chat, but like Ray had bounced.
He played all five positions in high school.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Get a twist would have cooked you. You would have
cooked who you and in high school gave you seventy?
You crazy? No way gave him seven. I'm cooking, ain't
cooking high school? No way.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
You must have forgot who what I did. I must
have forgot what I didn't. Okay, we both was McDonald's right. Now,
you know what we do.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
I was number one playing in the country, number one
player of the year.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Lebron, what were you ranked?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Power forward?

Speaker 6 (47:47):
Look, look, look, you want to get banged though, Why
are you blocking ship like that? Don't get a twisted
watch this. Watch how I sit on this round though?

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Oh got it, I'm blocking that.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
I'm cooking, Charlie. Were you your number one ranking? Other thing?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Power forward? Yeahs, look it up. I was top three though.
Oh for sure, he's in a tough class.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
That was a tough class. But he wasn't a tough
He was a tough class. I was top three though.
Who was top three? I was top three though, yeah,
number one. My teammate was number two.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
All dang.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
We definitely got rest though. I got he was number one,
was right, number one? Look that up for sure. I
need to see I needed I need something.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
You think he got the top ten?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Do you think he got the Carolina John you take
the thing?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Oh no, this is the ESPN recruiting. He was a
top ten recruit, definitely.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Only the two people that are head of that look
like could be point is Marshall Strickland and Anthony Robertson.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Anthony, Yeah, but he wasn't Robson number one number one point,
number one point.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Coming out of that class.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
I just looking at the ESPN website.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Played all compositions in high school.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, oh no, never mind, this is the last, the hood,
the whole, I'm thrashing them.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Hold let me update, let me up at that. This
is the rankings after the end rankings. Ray was four.
He was a number one point guard.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
Put Nate Smith. Nate Smithles pulled me up. Yeah, I
got Nate Smith.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
You got Nate Smith. I respect No one want to play.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
All right, sorry guys. Charlie was no.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
This was preseason. My fault, my fault. That was preseason.
Charlie was three in the preseason. Let me look at
let me look at that. It was October thirty. I'm
trying to find it, but it only has October thirty.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
I was ten. Yeah I saw I saw yours last night. Yeah,
I was ten.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
But you are you j Jacks? Oh yeah, Jackson was
in front of me. Jackson was like, James was like,
look me up. Be quicker than.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
He was like and three, My boy, it's not that
easy that. It's not easy. I'm going I'm going arrivals
Shannon Brow. Charlie was seven.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
No no, no, no no no no no no no.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
You were finding some dude named Newdy. Abby went to Arizona.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
I banged on him the McDonald's American Game when I
was dancing and ship that was on him.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Eb he went to the league.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Though I can't. I can't find the us A one,
So my bad.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
At HP.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
I'm on the site.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I'm trying to tell you bro this Bro. If you
this ship looks like it's from two thousand and three.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Looking, bro, look at your graphics. Bro, Bro, I can't
find that. Bro.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
It's okay, man, what Rob? Don't know? Rob? What was
see fight on ranking in my high school? You know?
I just found out you was his brother, So you
got it.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Though, we'll find um, we'll find out. So consensus is
d ros at Charlie.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Okay, when I banged on okay, I got no bounce.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
He had bounced.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
Okay, wait, I got no bounce. I'm gonna rock with that.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
He says, your rank.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Okay, bron hang okay c V. He is like eleven
hurt no no, no, no no he eleven. Okay.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I'm gonna say this is okay talking about bouncing high school,
I definitely had the mother.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Come on, Pete, you gotta play some better clips. That
was weak. That was McDonald's know me what Pete give
me what? I jumped on Pete McDonald's Americans.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Pete, man, you may give me a little crazy right now,
said Rob did speak English. That was good, Bert, that
was just he just they did him dirty. He was
he a sound in his second language. They did him dirty.

(51:51):
Bert is killing me right out.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
You're you're second by four? Fifth overall? I was what
fifth overall? That's okay?

Speaker 5 (52:01):
You pe okay, hold on Peak, give me okay, wash
this deal? Wats this Chris Paul okay, Chris pz hang.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
That's why with the Dominican fly that is your brother,
shade off the boats, trumple the president for the rest
of his that Ice would have got him. Ice would
have took his back to the motherland. That was good,

(52:43):
little bounce.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Man, you had the most bounced off three.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
Yeah, get their bounce I respected go ahead and play
the clip out there, bouncey. But if they play all
five position, I'm thrashing him. Bro, you thrashing who man?
You crazy? And high school ring Charlie. Everybody used to
say that until they played against But if you everybody
had them playing him with the Mike Tyson Joint.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Huh.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Everybody has a prius. Bro, you played against I played
against Mount Zion bro in high school. Me too, Mount Zion.
What you do them?

Speaker 4 (53:20):
You know what you do?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Look at my height? You okay?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
We always punch with the face like a baby. Look
at these celebraces. Come on, get to the.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
See that. Think.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
Now it's different because you have fucking we have social media.
You got cameras real talking wen't have cameras.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Different that could?

Speaker 4 (53:49):
He just punched on PJ.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, Bro, I was at the punching Harry the West.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Wait, so it's fair to say, uh, it was the
most athletic.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Yeah, yeah, Hey you got it, you got you got
You're jumping over cash, you got it.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
It's a little different than I got to get back
to that. I want jumping over people. Now.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Hey he the foot injuries, bro.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, foot injuries fucked me?

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Mad?

Speaker 4 (54:23):
He shout three?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
What we got next? Man by fall?

Speaker 5 (54:26):
We got we we It's okay to rememin it a
little bit. Didn't sound like man right now?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
We was athletics, all right.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I got something for y'all talking about reminiscent Andre Miller,
welcome the right to the league. Ray raised been public
about this one of his welcome to League moments.

Speaker 9 (54:50):
Because I've heard different. I heard three games. I heard
six games that you missed. But you were there night
in night out. For someone who played seventeen years, you
would think you were on some kind of height tech
regimen and lyft and eat in them. But you just
love the hoop a Burger's and fry a pizza, you
know what I'm saying, A popcorn, you know.

Speaker 10 (55:11):
And I let my body gain weight in the summer.
I didn't do nothing special. It was just the urge
and the hunger to be available in practice.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
In the games.

Speaker 8 (55:21):
You know.

Speaker 10 (55:22):
The three games that I that I say, I missed,
two of them were to funerals and one of them
was to a hurt ankle, I believe. But I just
wanted to be out there. I just wanted to be
out there. It was no way that I was gonna
miss a practice. There was no way that I was
gonna miss a game. It was just that I wanted
to be available for my teams, Like they know, Drake
gonna get me the ball, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
So that's what I took pride in so.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I guess, wow, I thought that was important. Is a
he missed three games his entire career.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
That's impressive.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Three games. I want to say fifteen sixty. Yeah, he
put fifteen sixteen years he played seventeen.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
So suppressive. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
So here's the thing, too, right, And I don't know
if I hear this as much. I ain't gonna say
that because I was an in the locker room, but
I didn't want to miss games for my teammates. I
don't know if that's still a thing in the league.
Love to hear you, guys, and we're not the old
hat hating.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
I just want to hear you.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
No, no, we're not old No. I mean things are
definitely different. Like I can't I came in the league
where you played at least seventy five out of those
eighty two Like my rookie year, I played seventy seventy nine. Yeah, same,
I think I played seventy nine games out of those
eighty two. Like now you talk my guys playing sixty two,

(56:43):
just getting over that number so they can be qualified
for those you know, for those awards. Now, so you
got to play with at least what sixty one games
to qualify for those awards. There was no we wanted
to play. I mean, I know Charlie can speak for
that too. We want to the hoop. Like, so I
wasn't trying to sit out even if I had an injury.
Like I played with turf toe, keep it.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
A hunter, turtle.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
I played signed thirteen shoe, play twelve, you play basketball.
I put a metal to put a metal plate in
my in my own in my shoe, and I played
the care I wanted a hoop, bro, and it was
my rookie year. Who I respect it. I was hungry,
like trying to make a name for myself, like trying
to just.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Keep keeping it a buck. I don't.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
I don't think we was young, right. We were just hooping, bro.
We just loved the hoop.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
So missing games wasn't the thing, right, load management?

Speaker 6 (57:37):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (57:40):
I heard of that?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But I'm being honest.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
As my career, as I got older, I'm like, nah,
fuck that, Bro, I'm shitting this one.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
Not bro.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
You know, when I was young, it's one of the hoop.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Let me ask you this, though I can't say I
think I could.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
I would say this. In my opinion, that's all we knew.
We didn't really know. It's really hindering us like that,
y'all play the way longer if it was like this now,
that's what I'm saying. One thousand, right you you, you
and CV are one thousand the way the game is now.
Oh you're playing with you're for sure the way you

(58:21):
operated the way you would have took care of your
body because you was the way you played. First of all,
you played hard every single night and you were picking
up ninety four feet yep, you guarding your matchup. So
think about it, if you did take care of your body,
I know, like they do now, if I would have ate.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
Better, you know what I'm saying, I ain't give a fuck.
I was like Andre Miller too, Like he said, he
came in like he gain' wait in the summer.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I did.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
I did those same things like I see people make
comments sometimes like Ray came in to New York. He
was never in shape. No, but by the time the
season started I was because I did. I was just
I ate what I want, I ate whatever the fuck
I want. I ain't over lied to you.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Now.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
When I was in season, it was a little different,
but that summertime. I know other people do other things
in the summer, but me, I was eating.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
He did say, he did say that he didn't come
into camp in shape. Ever, he worked his way in
because he said, a.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Lot of people, that's a lot of people know how
to you know how to do it.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
Yeah, you start picking up a basketball, you know, training
camp is right around the carn and I give me like.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Two, like two or three weeks. Three weeks, you start
picking up a bag.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
You start doing a little summer and then training camp
you're not really I mean you're you're usually training can't
to get into shape.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
But that's the thing though, Training camp for us was
a whole lot with you don't go into shape training.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Right, Lebron, that career, right, I know, I'm just saying,
I'm just saying, but even stuff, why do you guys
have long careers because they take care of their body
all year long.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
But listen, if I would have knew the stuff that
I know now that I can teach these young guys,
oh man, I probably I still play fourteen. I might
have played another five. You would hit twenty. I might
have got you. I might have got to nineteen twenty seriously,
but give a fuckna be real with you. I didn't
get damn with my body. I cared about it when
I was in season. It wasn't annoyming of season. I

(01:00:11):
didn't care.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I remember my first year, and I think this is
when the maturation process of it just starting to change.
My first year, I was with Jared Dudley and the
nets were sawing, like, yo, we want to be in
shape now, and JD, like JD with y'all, like he thinking,
he like you mean, like I'm gonna get in shape.
I'm gonna be ready when I need to be ready.

(01:00:32):
Like you don't have to worry about that. As a hooper.
We know when our body is ready. You know what
I'm saying. We know where we need to be at
a certain situation. You not coming in completely out of shape.
You just not in regular season game shape immediately. And
like we talked about yesterday, you can work out all

(01:00:53):
you want, a lot of these niggas now not gonna
be in game shape to start off with, because that
first two weeks you're gonna feel good, and then that
third week.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
It's a marathon. Bro So and especially you, a guy
that's gonna be playing. You played a lot of minutes.
You're gonna patient, you got to you gotta pati yourself.
You ain't gonna go full Thrid or your stock gate.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, and a couple of things he did. I don't
know if you guys know, but he overdose on chocolate
twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
How you overdose?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I don't know what that means?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Said to the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Hospital, Yeah, too much chocolate. He still played the next game.
Just everybody knows chocolate.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
How do you do that? That's impression. I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
I can't tell you, but I definitely lost some teeth.
You know, bern got a got a good question. You
got you gotta listen to the chat.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
You we get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
We get to it, okay, but we gotta stop. Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Why did uh your attitude about playing change as you
got older?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
You feel like that? Why did my attitude change? My attitude?
Oh your attitude?

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Did you feel like your attitude change as you got older?
Like towards the game? Because mine's ded. I didn't have
the same approach as a young as a young buck
coming into the league, and then like years.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
I tell you how my changed my changing in the
sense of as a young and I felt like I
had to do stuff in front of the coaches. You
know what I'm saying, Like my attitude changed in that
way as far as my work ethic, the way I played,
and just how I did things. No, but as a younger,
you come in there, you want to do everything in
front of the coaches. You want to do extra work,

(01:02:32):
you want to get in early, you want to do
all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Me think you fuck.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
I came into practice whenever I wanted to, you know
what I'm saying, like unless I had to go do
something on the table as far as taking care of
my body, but extra work, I did it at night.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I came back at night all the time at night.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
Yeah, you got my last my last year, Like I
went out, I went to the gym every night that
we didn't play and got shot up. That was my thing,
you know what I'm saying. But I did that as
a youngin onund of the coaches. I wanted them to
see you. You wanted to see you put the work in.
But you know that time if you if you're working
out in the of course, they still got the cameras,

(01:03:09):
got them cameras, Yeah, I know they but still you
know it's a little different when you just want to
do it in front of them, trying to impress them.
But at that point I was like that my attitude changed,
like that I didn't give a fuck what they thought.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
I never looked at the NBA as a business like
it was just as a kid, your dream is to
be in the NBA. You get to the NBA, and
then once you're in it, you're like, ain't what is
what I thought it was supposed to be. And for me,
it's like the politics of the NBA. I fucking hate
the politics of the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
And as I got older, it was just like, they're
playing this dude ahead of me because like, I'll give
you an example that this is not coming at you.
But remember that's your people. You remember you, my peoples.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
I want every Dominican is your people's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
Absolutely. I claim every Dominican, good or bad, good or bad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Claim.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
So I give you an example. When he came into
the league, I mean Milwaukee, he was a rookie, they
started playing him ahead of me, but I was busting
this dude's ass nod mm hmm. And it doesn't matter.
It didn't matter what I did, because at the end
of the day. He got the whole China. Yeah, tickets
sells tickets, and now all of a sudden, we got

(01:04:36):
all these sponsorship with China and ship. I'm like, it's crazy, bro.
You know, there's a lot of us and I'm giving
this dude work pause. And that's that's when I felt
like mine, I'm looking at the league a little different.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It's like, oh, this is what it's about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
But that just comes from us being so naive and
being so happy to be there when you first got
the like I said, I did, I did six years right, Sally,
I was, Uh, we're still trying to talk to see
about one of the years. They're trying to fuck me
on that, okay, but we gotta figure it's you're coming in.

(01:05:17):
You're just we're so happy about being in the NBA
at that point, were like, I don't give a fuck.
What the hell they gotta do? Like, think about it, Ray,
you played your whole career, your whole career before you
got to the NBA, and then you're not playing that much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Y'are losing?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
You mad? Ain't that mad? Because you're in the NBA? Right,
we don't care? But no, you mad? But at the
same time, you're still happy because you're in the NBA.
Once you get older, you've been through it, you've seen
it all. You've been in the second floor, you've done
you've done all these things you sitting there. Then it's like, bro,
we're in a fucking respect of just like who hoops better?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
It's better? Yes, who's better?

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
And then you really realize what this game really is,
when you start realizing what the fuck the NBA really is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I doubled for sure. It fucks you up, It fucks
you up. Yeah, I'll doubled then for show. I doubled
that in Dallas. In Dallas, I remember you're not playing fan, you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Still playing in the Rico brought back your love for the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Game, right, Oh yeah for sure? When you, like I said,
you just want to feel value. When you know you
can play, you know you're better than a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Do you feel like right now looking at it, right
looking back retrospecting your career, do you feel like you
fell out of love out of the game while you
were still in the game.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
I didn't fall out of love. I think I just like,
like like you said, I just didn't care. No more
like I didn't care once I got to understand the
business side of it. When I saw a lot of
shit happening there was like, damn, I'm better than him.
Why am I not playing? It's a business side to it.
They want to play these young guy over here. You

(01:07:01):
know what I'm saying. They don't want to play the
old head. They want to play the young guy. And
I'm in practice cooking his young dude. I know I
can help the team, but they want to go to
the young boy. And it's like, all right, you may
sit over there for I might. I might have set
over there fifteen games. How long you was in Portland
one year? It was a luck on YouTube? Did you
play a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
I still started. Okay, I still started with Little Dallas.
Was the team that you didn't really play that much
early Dallas. In my last year at okay see, okay
see my last year.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Okay see, I went like, mighta been fifteen games straight
and then and it was towards the end of the season.
I was like the whole season, I was like in
and out, I was playing, I wasn't playing. I wasn't
But then they just went like fifteen games straight and
didn't play me. And then when the playoff start. Fifteen games,
then the playoff start, they're like, yo, we need you huh,

(01:07:51):
I need me now, that's how I go though.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
I was ready. They kept myself ready. Yeah. I kept
myself ready though. But it's just that's that's how that
should go.

Speaker 6 (01:08:00):
Wanted to play the young boys all year during the season,
and then the playoff come. You want to play the
overhead because it's time to win. Yeah, it's time to win.
It's crazy, that's how you. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Got yo, that's crazy, big bank, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Let me ask you as all this and I don't
ray is going to be No, did you ever consider
playing in Europe towards your later years because you actually
have to play and the money is probably similar?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
No, no for me, I didn't have that problem. I
was comfortable financial.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Not financial, just to play basketball again.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
I fell out of the game. I felt love. I
felt out of love with the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Game your Detroit years, Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I felt like yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
I mean I still loved the game, but it wasn't
like not enough to go play overseas or to play
in the Big Three all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
I get that today, like just in them all like, Yo,
you're gonna play the Big Three. Nah, I don't have
the desire to go work out like that or to
go prepare myself to go play in the Big Three.
I don't have to desire no more to put my
body through that type of pain to get myself back
in shape to go play again. That's the difference in

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if you that's when you know you're done exactly when
you don't want to work out, when you don't want
to prepare because it's we do it. Listen to get
in shape and get ready, you gotta do a lot
of shit you don't really want to. Well, that's what
people don't get. That's what the part that people don't understand.
They just like, oh, y'all get paid all this money.
Y'all ain't a limelight, y'all on TV Woo to woo.

(01:09:34):
But do y'all understand what we take our bodies through
to do these things. I'm talking about three workouts a day.
Start out in the morning. You might be on condition,
depending on who your trainer is. If you go to
Houston to John Lucas, Oh ship until you're right now, CARDIOO.
He put you on the track six am in the morning.
You're on the track out there in Houston. You're on

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the track for hour outside side.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
You do it on the track.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
You mean what you're doing on the track you running?

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
I mean, like, are you just doing track workouts? Sprints?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
You're doing sprints, You're doing miles, You're doing everything. I'm
talking about. Dudes just throwing up.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
Dudes who want to go out the night before because
Houston is cracking, So dudes who want to go out
the night before get all drunk and stuff. Oh base
believe they're throwing up. You're throwing up, I'm telling you.
Then you going to the weight room, then you training,
then you hooping all of this in one day, and
then you do it the next day, and you're doing
it all week and the weekends off right back again.

(01:10:32):
I'm telling you, bro, Like they don't understand the stuff
we put our bodies through.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
We know key robots, bro, and that's why. And we're programming,
and that's why hosts play. It's difficult for a lot
of players. We've been programmed to do something every every
single day. And then when you sit there, you like,
dam I don't got to go to the gym today.
I really don't got ship to do. That's why players

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struggle after they get done playing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
I definitely heard that a lot being around you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Playing somewhere this year. Are go anywhere. I'm going back
to the rico.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
He's going back to. Then we gonna have a rico.
I cannot support it. I'm gonna tell you that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
That means you gonna leave Wenna. We will find a
place for show.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
He might he won't be with us from me, probably made.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Can we do a show in the rico?

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
You'll talk to the higher ups, higher UPSI ups do
a show in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Ima. You don't need a passport to go to the rico.
So you good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
So everybody knows. We got uh Jay Jacks joining us
in the next twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Which will be good, okaj Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Speaking of long careers I mentioned earlier Lebron Peter, can
you roll the Lebron clip? If you don't have the
Lebron clip, let me know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I don't think it's about the record. I just think
it's it's a.

Speaker 11 (01:11:49):
Microcosm of my of my career, of my hall work
and dedication to my craft and my love for the game.
I'll put so many hours into trying to be the
greatest of the best. I can always want to be
coming and the best I can be coming that moment.
There is an indication of that of hard work paying off.
So it's always pretty cool when you can have, you know,

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those moments that show that the work does payoff.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
So reference he's beking about fifty k points, right, all
total kind of crazy, right, I just want to show
him some love.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
He's going to what twenty love Man twenty third season.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Listen, bro, ain't nobody's ever done a lot of the
things that Lebron has done. He's playing all these years,
He's scored the most points in the NBA history. It's
going to be very hard to even catch him, to
be honest with you, and just everything he's done, Bro,
on the court, off the court, you know what he's
doing as a as a basketball player, Like the man

(01:12:47):
deafinitely is going down as one of the greatest to
play this game. He's going down as one of them
for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
Just to kind of echo and piggyback on that ray, Like,
I mean, he's my draft class, right, we the same age,
and to put in perspective, man, what he's doing, Bro,
it's nothing but incredible, It's phenomenal. I'm gonna definitely give
him his flowers. But not only that, just on the

(01:13:15):
business side of things. Think about how he put his
boys on. He put his boys on. You never hear
Lebron on the news. You never hear him on the
old scandal, you know, cheated on his wife or you
got a couple of baby mom, you know what I mean. Like,
you never hear none of that ship about Lebron the

(01:13:35):
way what he did with the school I promise school,
just the way what he's been doing like and he's
been on the limelight since the junk Bro, and he
has responded, he's responded and answer not to be one
of the greats man, it's it's and it's salute man,
it's salt salute to him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I tipped my hat off to him. Man, he's a.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
Boy far the best. He's I don't mean to cut
you off to all, he's by far the best.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
Number one pick ever I agree, Yeah, I agree, and
just all around, just all around person as a businessman.
Never seemed to like fold, you know, like to get
that lamblight early on.

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
It's tough, it's tough, and he's intwer the call man,
so shout out to man to to Lebron.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
He says he's not your draft. He says, your high
school class.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
He's high school class. That's what fucking burn. I'm over
here breaking bread giving the man's flowers. Fuck.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
But yeah, Lebron man, he's the real Dale Man and
he's somebody that's that's gonna be remembered for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
I'll let you go after but just a quick note.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Crazy thing is like, nobody is going a lot of
people hate on Lebron, which is you know, that's sports.
Nobody is it's gonna understand how much they apreciate him
until he leaves us what it is, until he retires.
He's done a lot for the NBA. He's done a
lot for us as players, you know, just when it

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came down to negotiations and things like that. He was
one of those guys that was in those meetings fighting
for us. So he's done a lot for us. Bro,
He's done a lot for me. A lot of the
things that I'm able to to benefit from now is
because of him going in there fighting in those meetings.
Obviously he wasn't the only one, but he was one
of the main guys that was in there going in

(01:15:32):
the fighting for us to have benefits, to have you know,
post career like income. Let's be real, so you know
what I'm saying, Like, so he's done a lot for
not only for himself but for us players.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
So like you know, I definitely got to give him
all the kudos, all the respect and just his flowers.
Yeah on just what he's done. Man. And he's he's
definitely I mean, he's definitely one of those guys I'm
gonna put up there again as a pioneer.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
It's one of these exactly that crazy sounds crazy, that's crazy.
Like as a father, like that's a father's goal is
to play with someone like in the league. That's fire.
So yeah, command him as a husband, as a father,
as a businessman.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
This dude is legit. Man, He's the real deal. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
I think he h Like I said, you said it
hit on top of the head when you said that,
we're not going to appreciate him until he's gone, right.
I think one thing I want to continue to talk
about this because it needs to be the mental health peace.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Hm. Can you imagine being Lebron James Bro can't do nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
The weight of the world, not just the United States,
the world is on Everyone pays attention to what bro.
If he tweets, it's everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
It's twelve million views hours like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
He has to be legitimately perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
And what's the worst thing he did? It said is
when he lost in the finals, my life is better
than yours. That's probably like the lowest moment you can
speak of. And that's not even bad.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
My thing is I commend him from being able to
handle that type of pressure. I tip your cap to him. Brother,
that's tough to have, you bro, you you He basically
has controlled the NBA since he's been here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
The reason he's in those meetings because people gonna listen
to Lebron James Right, That's why Kaitlyn Clark right now,
you're gonna listen to Kayton Clark because they drive this ship.
Right now, Kayln Clark drives the w NBA. Whether you
believe it or whether you accept it or not. Guess
what red You accepted it, CV, you accepted it. I
accepted it. His death accepted it. All these people accepted

(01:17:52):
Lebron is the fat is the head of the NBA.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
There is point blank period and deny and will be
until he until he's retired.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
They gonna the first part, Broun, what you think period?

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
He gets a lot of heat though too, right, a
lot of whole gold debate and this he gets.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
All that ship.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Yeah, but when it's when you like sit back and
really think about what he has done.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Crazy, it's crazy, shout Lebroun speaking about gold in another
specific area, obviously very controversial. This is Stephen A. Smith.
He's a golden in sports broadcasting. You can say that
supported he makes forty m's a year. What happened when
you guys hear that? What do you guys think?

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
We got to step in the fuck up? Yeah, we
gotta get shipped together. List get ship fucking ship together.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
That's not here.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Want to as Burton's question before we dive in to
Stephen A. Smith. Basically we've asked this question a lot
of times, right, I don't know who that is?

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
What's the question?

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Who takes after Lebron retires?

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Who takes it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Ain't nobody ready for that to take that on? Nobody?
I don't think it gives I don't think you give
it to nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
I think the only person that would be ready.

Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
J T is so level headed, probably the only like
like high level star that can like be like clean
cut family man, because you don't do it. He got
he got his old lady right there. And I think
it's about committee.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
I don't think any there's not another Lebron James.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
Shake would have. But he's not American.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
What are we saying? What are you saying?

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
You guys know what it is, Bro. They making old
Canadian the face of the league. If if was American,
it would be shape.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
I'm gonna be honest with you. There's no more face.
It's just the league now. Committee. There's no there's no
Lebron James in the league. I don't give nobody there
there's no Lebron James. Lebron is in the limelight plus
court a plus who else are we saying like that?
There's always something different for each player. And he ain't

(01:20:12):
done what Bron did on the court yet.

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
I guess you, I guess the only person that could
really slide in there, because I feel like Lebron probably
were retired before him, a few years before him. It's Steph.
He's the only only one that probably stepped up. Stephan
is Stephan. Stephan has the court, but he don't have
an off court. You do a little bit now he's
starting too. But what the what have you heard from

(01:20:35):
Steph in this offseason? What you mean have you heard
of anything about Steph this off season? You know, had
a camp, the.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Document documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
We've seen We've seen Bron golf, we've seen Bron stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yeah, but like it's not out there, like.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
It's not like stuff I.

Speaker 6 (01:20:59):
Lebron got like a hundred million followers or something disgusting,
something like one hundred million more.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
It might be more right, it's crazy. There's nobody. There's
nobody that's going to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I think could though, because he's pretty levelheaded and because
of like his personality, like he's larger than like he
gives you that kind of like fashion, larger than life persona.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
But he ain't. He ain't American. At the end of
the day, I don't think it's happening with SGA, but
he could.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Yeah, But I think I think Bron has just like
I said, eight straight finals, it's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
We take it for granted, what the fuck? Eight straight
finals is crazy? The man is great and I say
it all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
There's no one, there's no one getting there's no one
doing that because the league is too good now. I
think people think like just because I say MJ is
the goat, that's just my personal opinion, you know what
I'm saying. But as far as what he's done, like,
I think we get like so like just comfortable about it.
But think about what this man is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
What he last year? What he average last year? Like
twenty seven points?

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
Man was forty years old, Bro, he was forty averaged
twenty seven, Yeah, forty one.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
It was at times where he put the Lakers on
his back. It's forty.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Like, let's talk about that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
Lebron James forty years old, he average twenty he averaged
twenty seven, He's about to be forty. He's forty one
now and he's still going to average over twenty points
this year. Who's done that when he was forty? Nobody
with your I'm just saying, bro, like the man, I'm
just I'm just being honest with you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
The man is something we never see again. Way he
take care of his body like he's forty one years old,
his body like he's still twenty one, Like might be
better now. Honestly, his body might be better now than
it was when he first came in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Rich he does.

Speaker 6 (01:22:48):
I'm just saying, like, just it's it's incredible, Bro, just
like you, like THEO said, you will never see average,
will never see another Lebron.

Speaker 5 (01:22:57):
There's a level of dedication you have to do and
the sacrifice you got to sacrifice your family, right, because
he has to work on his craft. I wish I
had that mentality.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
You don't talk about that though. He's made a lot
of sacrifices with his personal life.

Speaker 6 (01:23:14):
But you have to have know that a lot of
a lot of a lot of a lot of us
wasn't married when we played the game. It wasn't you
know what I'm saying. So when you got to support
cast at the house, when you got kids and you
got a woman who holds you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
The fuck down, you know what I'm saying, Like that helps.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
That helps when you got a woman that can tell you, hey,
I got this, I got this at the house.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
You go, do you for as long as you want,
you go, do you? You go be great?

Speaker 6 (01:23:46):
That helps, bro, because that do weigh on you when
you like, dang man, I'm missing my kids games, I'm
missing these moments when I'm on the road, like that.
Shit is tough, but you get some of those moments
obviously because you still live with your kids and all that.
But think of a lot of those moments that he
did miss. That's sacrifice to be great. Time in the gym,
time on the road, time traveling doing business stuff that

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he had to go do with with his boys, and
just sitting in meetings and he did everything, but his
wife was at the house, like holding it down, Go ahead,
I got this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
That helps.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
Having having that partnership helps tell I was in the
streets fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
For real, tho, not seriously, if I had what I had.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
To have my wife, yeah back then, if I had
what I have, it would be different. Shout out to
the wife. She's in studio.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Yeah but.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
No, no, But if I would have had her back
then that helps. That support systems huge, bro, Bro, Like
that's my meal. Tell you, bro, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
In the league. You want me to talk, You talk
as long as you want.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
Now, I'm in the league, right and it's you in
this linelight, right and we're experiencing everything for the first time.
My mom and dad and I didn't have my supporters,
want my brothers. But my brother's experiencing this is for
the first time too, so we all fucking having fun,
having a good time. I get it Detroit, I got

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the bag in Detroit. But it's four single dudes living
in the house. What do you think is gonna happen?
Mh like, what you think is gonna happen? Like we
wilding out. We experiencing this shit for the first time.
This is fucking amazing. So I didn't have that mindset
where like I got a lock in, like I didn't
want to be great. I was just happy that I

(01:25:39):
was in the fucking league and how how long am I? Like,
I know, there's sixty players coming in next year. I'm
gonna try to have longevity. I'm gonna try to fucking
maxes out as much as I can. But my mindset
wasn't ooh, I want to be great at this. My
mindset was like, all right, I just want to fucking
survive and worry about the next day.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Okay, where we at that, where we at, where we're going,
what we're doing. Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
That was my mindset and that's majority for the athletes,
and that's why Lebron we look at him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
We have.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
He separates from the rest, and that's why he's so great,
because he did shit different, you know, like it's on
record he's been with the same woman for fucking high school.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
That shit helps you know me, me, I'm fucking running
the streets. And don't you think that correlates the fact
that I was running the streets to how my career
played out. Come on, let's be honest. I gotta be
honest with myself, right So.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Lebron Man, No, I feel that not hear that show
to lebron Man, show it to lebron We got a
couple of minutes before h J Jacks.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
J Jacks joins us.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
We talked about the Stephen Nate Smith quickly, and you
know we've talked about it. You know, he says, some ship,
you ruined, some relationships obviously, how.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Yall feel he gets paid that much? And he just
criticizes people.

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
He all, y'all, I mean, it's not about it, not
about a bother. I'm all about everybody getting their money.
Like so, I don't care about that part. But he's he's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
The guy that he violates. He's gonna violate.

Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
He's going to cross everyone there is and there's nobody
else like him in the country that people still want
to Nobody gives a full rage.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
What's going on? You want to talk about it? You
feel certain type of way about it. Well, you know,
I was just he don't say something about you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
If he did, I don't care, I don't know. But
but I'm just saying, like he's gonna talk about people
who who I consider friends, like real good friends, and
I just I don't really rock with that anyway. Anyway,
I'm about to get into that because they ain't about
him talking about sephen A Smith, but steven A.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Smith, just.

Speaker 6 (01:27:52):
Even with him saying the crazy ship he say, you
still want to watch People still want to watch steven A.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Smith. People still want.

Speaker 6 (01:27:59):
To watch his shows when he talks, even though we
know he's gonna say something crazy, but you know, you
still want to watch him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
He has that voice, he has that energy.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
He just and then he always gonna say some of
the people wants to watch that, Huh, you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Watch I wouldn't say watch him, But there's now the
to his point. I don't like listening to him all
the time. But at the same time, I never failed
to be like, all right, what What did he say?
You always say that, right, What did he say?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Now? It's always that what did he say? Now? And
you still listen and guess what, still got your eyes?
He still got your eyes. He's entertaining.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
So Burt makes a great, great point. He makes a
lot of money because he's a response for so many eyeballs,
and obviously eyeballs is great a business advertisement. But I
don't like listening to any media other than player media.

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
Now I can, and he's transitioning, Yeah I can't. It's
it's it's evolving. I feel like the media space is evolving.
It's like, would you even know Stephen A is great
at what he does? I'd rather still listen to Ray,
you know what I mean? He played the game, that's
been there, he's done, he's been in the locker room.
He knows what it takes, right. And I'm not saying

(01:29:11):
that because he's here. But to me, I rather listen
to an NBA guy versus somebody that's never played. And
I know some people might feel a certain type of
way about that, but to me, it hits different to
somebody that's actually been in those shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
And that's why ESPN changing. You see they get they're
getting a lot of former players. Now NBC, all these Amazons,
they see transitions.

Speaker 6 (01:29:36):
Pan changing because NBC got everybody. Oh yeah, yeah, you
gotta compete with that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
You got to compete with that because you're gonna lose
people because everybody wants to hear from fucking Michael Jordan's,
Vince Carter, Jamal Crawford, Kamelo Anthony. They're gonna tune into that.
So now they gotta compete. That's just that's just how
it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
Got to compete. Flip side team. Amazon got Steve now Ash,
d Wade Hey, Dirk Cannas Parker, and Blake Griffin, so
they got a pre stacked line up too.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
All Hoopers are not fucking NBC.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
They ain't fucking with NBC.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
NBC, NBC load, ESPN brought obviously inside the NBA, so
they got something there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, guys,
it's time for a boy till you gets him.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
But Peter, let's bring in Jay Jacks and then.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
We'll get another North Carolina. Hey, I see the shirt?
Can we hear him? Jacks?

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
Twenty seventeen, Chack, mister J. Jackson was good, bro.

Speaker 7 (01:30:41):
Fellers, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Man? Welcome back?

Speaker 5 (01:30:44):
You look good?

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
You hoping you look good? Hey? You trying to go
to the redo with me? No, I need it sooner.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
You know j Jackson? Then, uh where he's at, you know,
enjoying the family life? Expose his location.

Speaker 7 (01:31:05):
I'm in the Tennessee. Say that Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
That's the information to reveal Tennessee, Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Ducked away, Peter, you know, speaker fun.

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
You can't cast him for that, bro, It's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
No, Peter been up today. Bro, all right, we'll fall Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Peter, Jay Jack take us off? Man? What we got?
What you got for us today?

Speaker 9 (01:31:32):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:31:32):
Man, First, I just want to y'all look good man.
I ain't gonna lie. I was tuned down. I was
tuned in. I echoed a lot of y'all sentiments about
uh falling out of love at the game man when
it comes to really playing it, because uh, bo way,
when I tell you it's it's rough. People don't know,

(01:31:53):
they don't know what we what truly we go through,
you know. So shout out to y'aller opening up a
little about that. But obviously college college sports don't start
for a while, right, college basketball don't start for a minute.
But there's a couple couple of things that popped up
that I thought would be good to talk for a

(01:32:14):
little baking y'all's takes on it. Three players were banned
for betting on their own games, uh, which is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
And the money wasn't even right, bro, like barely made money?
Sorry guy?

Speaker 7 (01:32:32):
Yeah, sixteen k for good like for good? Yeah, like
that's it, all eligibility gone, which one of over one
of them already graduated.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
But like y'all thought, huh, I mean, my biggest thing
is like you're now making money, so it's not like
you don't have you don't really got to do that
no more or do it at all? Ship, I mean, right,
why are we going to that extreme? And and Jackson

(01:33:10):
not even.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
It's not even like life changing money, That's what I'm
about to say.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
I haven't seen one report yet where it's like twenty
million like something crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
Sixteen how much he got let off the hook? Right now?

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
I think then that you know he's now he's not
being investigated by the NBA, but he beat the FBI case.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
If he beat the FBI, he's gonna beat the NBA. Yeah, Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying.

Speaker 7 (01:33:40):
If they're gonna get you, if they will get you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
No exactly, j Jackson. They might just be trying to
get him anyway, you know what I mean, let me
hear it. The thoughts some of these dudes. Come on,
I'm just not looking at the bigger picture, Like, come on,
what are we doing? Huh? Bro, it's tough drinking games
off And I.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
Know the n I L money was way more than
they gotta be. The nil money had to be weak.
But state.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Even even if he getting a hundred K, that's more
than that sixteen.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
I don't think how good were these players.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
That's the thing.

Speaker 7 (01:34:20):
Uh, Robinson and Weaver they both averaged ten and twelve.
Vasquez is the one that was coming up because he
averaged like two, so I think he kind.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Of he probably got Ma Jordan, they probably had.

Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
He kind of played a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Coming up.

Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
We just get a piece you know, basketball past.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
College and you know you ain't gonna be that. I mean,
I get it to be in the street message. You're
doing good? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Can they bet? Now? Can bet whatever? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
All these dude like all every college player is a
ro now at this point, Yeah, they're pros. They're pros.
You're getting looked at it pro so you're gonna be
treated as such. You can't do the ship, you couldn't
do the ship before. But at the same time, you're
getting paid. Go to work, do what you need to do.
What you throwing games for it, bro, because at the

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end of the day, if you're throwing games, you sucking
up everybody else to coach.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
I don't know if it's throwing games is his own performance.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
So he probably just hit the under on his points,
you know what I'm saying. No, No, he could just
past the ball for a little open shot. He can
still say he lost the game.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Are you It's a different there's a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
There's there's a throwing a game and just not getting
the numbers you need. That's what I'm saying. He's throwing
his own numbers.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
The fact that you're thinking about that, you think you're
justifying this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
That's how you feel. Tell us how you bron.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Jackson Hong got made because it's noodles. When he was
you knew about that. You know about that, he got bullied,
he got It's not bullying. Bro, you said it was bulliant.
He's not bullying. It's not bullying.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
He got made fun of.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
He tried to bully me. That what my business. That's
all right, But anyways we can take business.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Noodles, thing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Warms.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
He said that. Jackson, he said that. He did say that.
He's his words, his word.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Hey Jay Jackson is here, let's show j Jackson.

Speaker 9 (01:36:38):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
I mean, hey, look, I look, Hong. I mean some
things change over the summer that I don't know about.
But I don't know fellas. I think it's easier in
Texas too, because it's not legal to go through like
Draft Kings and like those kind of sites. Like obviously

(01:37:03):
Prize Picks has its little thing going whatever that's legal.
But like being out here in Tennessee and like really
seeing what sports betting really does, Like on one hand,
like obviously I don't support it at all, Like if
you're a college athlete, like you're there for a reason,
you gotta do what you gotta do. But on the
other hand, I can see like if all your boys

(01:37:24):
that aren't a college athlete, or your uncles and dads
and everybody are putting money on all these different games
and heck, you're averaging two points a game and you're
not even playing, Like I can see how well. Heck,
if I'm going to a little small sports book, nobody
will know, you know what I'm saying, Like, nobody will
find out, Like I'll make a little extra bread. Yeah

(01:37:46):
it's not life changing bread, but I'll make a little extra.
But at the same time, I think it's just it's
it it brings to light what sports betting really is
turning into, you know what I'm saying, Like you said,
you got Beasley in the NBA, that's going through a
whole situation. You got now these kids, there's there's more
that they haven't released names and stuff like that, but

(01:38:08):
there's more players that are under investigation basically for doing
the same thing, betting on games. So I think it's just,
you know, I read something that basically the NCAA is
trying to work now with sports like sports books to
allow college students to bet on pro sports and still

(01:38:29):
not do college sports, which I'm like, I mean, if
the the problem is always going to be there, you
know what I'm saying. So I don't know, I just
thought it was interesting that, you know, college I never
thought one time, and it was happening while we were
at school. I never thought one time that, hey, let
me hit up this sports book and see what's going on,
you know, let me see what my line is for

(01:38:49):
this game. Like you know, we were just there for
one purpose and that was just to play the game
and win games. So I thought it was just interesting. Man.
I don't I don't fully understand it. But at the
same time.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
Question for y'all, don't you just be twenty one to gamble?

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Yeah? I don't know legally, Yeah, yeah, I got a
question for y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Most kids aren't twenty Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
This is this is honestly, like I said, do I
wish I've made the bread to these little niggas making yes?

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
For sure?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Well, we are in some scary times, like these dudes
are really like we're they low key getting set up,
but not set up for failure, but they are set
up where it could go south quick. You've given a
seventeen eighteen year old millions of dollars, even one hundred grand, shit,

(01:39:45):
even fifty grand.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
I didn't know through it myself with one thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
If we had that in college, I don't even know
what we would be doing, and then we just talked
about it with Brin. Having the right circle around you
is even harder. So I feel for these kids, for
the college kids now, because they have to grow up
so much faster than we had to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
So I gotta think a sense. So now you're a business,
right your business? If you were seventeen right now, you
be a business like now you have to. If you're
a high profile athlete, you have to be a business.
You gotta get a financial It's crazy to say you
need a financial advisor at sixteen seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
They got to do it in a high school.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Now you gotta start looking at yourself as a business
at sixteen years.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
The thing is what sixteen seventeen year old is actually
thinking about that?

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:40:39):
That's no, you gotta talk about it. It's in high
school basketball now you these kids is getting fifty sixty
thousand dollars to play with the AAU team in the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
So that's that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Got to have the right circle, bro, you gotta have
or you're going to destructure.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
But that's what I'm saying though, So you know, if
you don't have the right circle, you're a business, and
you have no idea how to operate this business as a
sixteen year old. That's the real problem, Like it ain't
nothing's gonna change until every parents.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
But then your parents look at you as a business.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
But then we think about the other side of it, Jackson.
How many guys are playing for the love and how
many guys are playing because we obsessed with basketball, right,
you talked about it earlier cv.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
You played.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
We got all this recognition and all this stuff. We
just wanted to get to the league. Now they talked.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
About how do I get more than this bread?

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
How am I getting more money regardless of how And
this goes right back to the college situation. Even if
it's not the right fit, I'm gonna go to this school, bro,
you're if you know it's not the right fit, but
they paying you more bread? Why are you doing that
to yourself?

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
You also know you're not guaranteed the spot in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Someone stood some.

Speaker 6 (01:41:53):
Of them probably thinking like that, like I need to
maximize on how much I can make now because I
don't know what my career is going to be like
when I leave college. So a lot of these guys
I saw the other day, but maybe not the other day,
but not here recently. One kid went to four different
schools in four years.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
That happens often, But could you guys imagine like Johnny
Manziel got the capitalize on his time or Jim.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
Er Yeah right, yeah, Charlie ray Felon Yo, you different.

Speaker 6 (01:42:27):
Hey, No, Jacks might have came back.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Came back left he was we we won the two
wanted my junior year.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I might have came back.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
You would have came back.

Speaker 6 (01:42:40):
I mean, think about it. When me and Charlie came out,
our salaries was capped like it was already set. So
if I was making my first year, I think I
made two point eight more. Fifth pick, I was making
two point eight million. But if they told me a Carolina,
we give you five for your senior year, you know how.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Much the fifth going back to school? It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
It's crazy. I was making like not a seven or eight.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
I know it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:43:03):
Yes, like one pick was making seven or eight. Yeah,
I think five. Just whitch called a sign for fifty
four million? Bro the kid in San Antonio Harper Harper, Yeah,
four years, fifty four million.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
This man starting his own and don't he got his
own schools? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:43:23):
I'm just saying that his own. When me and Charlie
came out and there was we would just go do
a new car, a contract as a rookie and I
was Charlotte Spansion team went back to school.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Was glad it wasn't around when we.

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
Was exactly man that because our ultimate goal was to
get to the league. We wanted to play in the NBA.
But you start thinking like that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Like dang got two million.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Hunger is missing from kids, but that dog, that dog
and the hungry missing you can see, No.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
You can't.

Speaker 7 (01:43:57):
I mean, I say, like, my thing is, I'm not
even I don't ever get mad at a kid for
choosing to try to get more money, you know what
I'm saying, Like, it's really the it's NCAA and the
other people that are involved with all of the money
that I'm more upset with, because it's like you're basically

(01:44:19):
you want to sit here and say, why are these
kids not loving the game? Why are they not working?
Why is the youth not as developed as they used
to be? What's because all you think about is money
at this point, right, and there's no human being that
if you have a chance to make more money, won't
do it? You know what I'm saying. That's just the
reality of it, especially to playing basketball. Like you tell me,

(01:44:41):
I can go play across the street for somebody for
fifty k. Okay, let's go. Like I'll give my jersey
that I got right now, I'll put on the street.
You know what I'm saying, Like it don't matter to me.
So I think that's my thing with that, which takes
me right into the NIL issue that will continue to
be an issue in my opinion, with no restrictions. There

(01:45:05):
was a report that came out that basically they had
reported that there was around eighty million dollars that was
cleared in NIL deals currently and then basically they came
out and said that there was an error and only
about thirty five million of that has been cleared and

(01:45:27):
the rest is pending or haven't been cleared. And so
I guess for me, my question to y'all is, what
is the fix to NIL when it comes to is

(01:45:48):
it contracts to where everybody is binding?

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (01:45:54):
You know there's a certain cap on NIL that each
school can even you know, try to get for each player.
What is y'all thoughts on that? Because I mean this
is I mean forty million dollars that hasn't been cleared.
That means there's a lot of players that are sitting
there with what they thought were nil deals where they're
getting paid and they just haven't gotten paid yet. So
I don't know. I think this is a bigger issue

(01:46:15):
than people really think.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
The cap and there needs to be a limited how
many times you can.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
Train only one.

Speaker 5 (01:46:23):
You gotta have contracts, bro, Yeah, a contract. I think
it's got that blinding and green.

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
Things alladay above, like they they gotta change everything and
you need to For one, I think they need to
put a cap at how much they can give even play.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
See that's tricky though when you put a cap because
of school, like you can school, like you ain't ce
fucking in school, like fucking freshno state.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Yeah, the cap is gonna be different, So hold no.

Speaker 6 (01:46:48):
I get what you're saying, but let there be a
max that you can give some give up player and
then I don't they don't even worry about no minimum,
but like, but you can't go over. It's like because
you're gonna have some schools that may not be like
like a Carolina, like a Yukon like a duke. But
they can go down to Arkansas. Arkansas got more bread,

(01:47:12):
you know they can. They could give a kid six
seven million dollars. So a kid that probably like Man,
I rather win that Carolina just because they have basketball
history or Ukon because they're basketball history.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Kasos offered me does matter, But what does that matter?
If you like Yo?

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
The cap is ten mel right. If you don't got
fucking ten meal, that's on. You get to get the work,
don't get the ten meal, and then once the ten
meals gone, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
But don't you guys just think, don't you guys think
you should have like max ranges too for the players
or do you think no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
No, because it DEDs, I'm not paying aj de bands
are the same as I pay fucking Van Allen Lubin.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
True, just because it's the same person. That player is
way better than others.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
You pay Jalen Brunton, Jailing Brown the same thing you
pay Lebron I mean, if their contracts signed, the same
thing you pay, same time you pay Lebron James.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
So you think if you were the best player, you
should make the same as the niggas on the other
so this is the team.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
In my opinion, I don't think I should.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
But to have it regulated, you should have the exact
same amount. The max contract should be the exact same
amount every single school. But if you clear a certain
revenue amount. In my head, you should have more max
contracts available so you can go Duke North Carolina UK.
Because they have more money available, they should be able
to spend more, get more.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
No, I think it should be ten million, because at
the end of the day, if you want to be
all in, if you want to spend seven million of
your dollars to the best player and the rest of
your team, sup, that's your that's your decision. If he
wants to go to the team and be asked and
just get the most money, that's on them. But the
end of the day, if you want to go to
a good team, cool, all right, we'll give you three,

(01:48:46):
we'll give you four, We'll give you whatever the fuck
you want to get.

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
I don't I don't think it should be that high. Yeah,
I don't think it should be that high. I think
they should camp there. I think I think they should
camp that. I think you should cap it at like
like two million, Like if they get ten. Your best
player gets gets two million, and then boom, you break
the rest of it down to your other players. You
might give somebody three fifty. You might give somebody five hundred.

(01:49:13):
Your next best player, he might be making seven to fifty.
You know what I'm saying. But your your best player,
like an AJ coming out number one player probably gonna
be no more playing the draft. You give him two million?

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Cool?

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Right, This is what I'm the MAX. This is what
I'm saying, kids getting if I'm the GM, if I'm
the If I'm the GM, and you got a player
like a J or the Darren Peterson, I know we're
gonna talk about that. I'm gonna give him five. I
give him five, and you can make a good team
with five million dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:49:40):
Yeah, I give you you see what I'm saying them
caliber of guys.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
But I'm gonna have to fucking pay guys.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
Let me ask you. This wasn't the point of nil
to make sure that players.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
But it's gotten out of control.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
So that's my point. Two million. When is two million
dollars not off?

Speaker 6 (01:49:56):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Cap two million dollars or
nothing in college.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
The whole point was that these kids aren't starting.

Speaker 6 (01:50:04):
But I want these kids to stay hundry. And the
reason why I say the reason why I say not.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
Million, I'm gonna say it is not because a guy
like a j de banch is going to bring more
than two million money for.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
Sure, And how much money is Lebron Brendan Lakers.

Speaker 12 (01:50:17):
He's capped, but he's first of all, you think he's
capped the same quition too anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
They do exactly, So go ahead and give him the break.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
But for purposes, just do a salary.

Speaker 6 (01:50:33):
Can what I'm saying to you when I'm saying my
my reason of doing that, put in a two million
and don't let it go no higher than that. I
don't care who the player is because I want to
hunger back in these kids to play at a certain level.
Like these kids now, like college basketball is terrible, I'll
to be honest with you, it's not the same. I
want these kids to still go out there with that
same that same passion, that same design that I want

(01:50:55):
to make it to the NBA. I want to make
it to the next level. You know what I'm saying.
If you're giving a kid eight million dollars, AJ getting
eight million, even though he's still gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
But still that's a lot of bread, bro, that's on him.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
I feel like, like I said, it's it's on the program.
If you got the bread and you willing to have
a bad team to just pay one person, that's not
smart as a GM to just pay one person. If
you can convince this guy this, we're gonna get you
to the league the next year. And you can make
five million dollars this year, and I'm the last five
million dollars, I'm gonna put a good team around you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
If that's If you're.

Speaker 6 (01:51:33):
A kid and you just want to be selfish and
go to a school and be bad for a year,
that's on you. And if that's what you got a
GM for, it's to negotiate with guys just be like, hey, look,
I can give you this much, but I need this
other bread to get some guys around you so you
have a good year and you can go to the league.

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
I think there should be a maximum amount players can make.
It could be five, it could be two.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
But I don't like that either, because let's say, if
it's a lebron Asque type of dude, like Ajdabansa and Peterson.
I don't agree they're just two million dollar guys. They're
gonna bring more money than just two million dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
Is gonna bring more than six million dollars to what's
your points?

Speaker 6 (01:52:13):
Still but with still a cap though, you still you
still have to cap it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
You still have to cap it. It's on the GMT.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
How much money do you think let's lose Johnny Manzell,
how much money you think you made for that university?

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
I understand, okay they don't have a Captain Hong if
you still feel that way.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
But what I'm trying to say to you is that
at the end of the day, the point of nil
is to make sure that you benefit off your name,
image and likeness.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
Right yes, now, are these kids.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Benefiting long term the stars that will make the money
by losing that hunger and going through what they're going through.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
I think you still bring the competitive net back if
you have that cap whatever, because you know, if you
have a cap, you're not paying the guys that don't
play so much fucking money.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Right now.

Speaker 6 (01:52:57):
You're paying guys who don't play, and they need to
put too much bread. Yeah, they need to put the
sentence like the average.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
But the only way to do that, that's the contract.

Speaker 7 (01:53:08):
That's the contract. Yeah, I mean I think I think
something that's also going to be different to this upcoming
year is that the NCAA started doing this, like they'll
give each school like overall for all athletics, like twenty
one twenty and a half million dollars, right, So that's
the cap for the school when it comes to like

(01:53:29):
revenue share. Right, So if you're at a school like
North Carolina, Okay, fifty percent of that's going to basketball,
you know what I'm saying. Like, so then I think
the conversation is more about the NIL, which was started
in a good space of like, hey, look, if I'm here,
like if deals in North Carolina, like he can go out,

(01:53:52):
he can find whether it's with a Nike or with
the Gatorade or heck with a Chapel Hill tire whatever,
Like he can go out get his own kind of money.
But the problem is because of the no cap of
the revenue sharing, the NIL got grouped into all of
that and basically formed this like Okay, you can get

(01:54:13):
the number one guy, I'll get seven, AJ gets seven.
Now the second guy on the team will get whatever
one point five and then it'll go down to like
five fifty, you know what I'm saying. So I think
more of the issue is like there's no regulation that
you can truly have with nil. Right now that they
have the salary cap with the revenue share, now each

(01:54:35):
school can you know, directly pay players only a certain
amount at least they say that's what they can do.
But the nil, there's no real way to like register
what is truly going on. Like the agency that the
NCAA is using four just purely nil, like as of
last month had like eleven full time employees. So it's like,

(01:54:59):
how are you supposed to with eight thousand cases of
nil coming through? Like so there's no real you can't
there's no control, you know what I'm saying. So I
think that's the issue. They just let it open and
then it was just like, now, how are you going
to pull the reins back?

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
You know what I'm saying. She got out of hand,
This ship is out of hand.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Is the nca just a feeder league? Now it's a
pro league, so we should just put pro rules.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
On it and pros half.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
What, Yes, they have a certain amount of Okay, Baseball
doesn't have an earning cap, right, you can earn as
much as you want to baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
So the n C double A need to get a union.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
I feel, I literally think that's the only So you
need to treat it like a pro league. It is
a pro league. The definition of a pro is being
is being paid for a skill. They're being paid for
a skill. It's a pro league.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
It's not going to happen overnight for sure soon.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
And when Rob says this, I think Rob brings a
good point. There should be no salard capital ANIL space.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
Well, there's there should be no solid cap in space
then in any any any sports space.

Speaker 7 (01:56:04):
I don't think so. I think because because Nil, that's
basically like, okay, like we had our contracts in the league, right,
but then we also had our Nike endorsements, we had,
you know, whatever else we had on the side, you
know what I'm saying. So like Nil, I'm cool with,
but it's like there has to be some sort of control,
Like to your point, it's not gonna happen overnight. But

(01:56:26):
the problem is they unleashed n I L overnight and
so it like there was no boundaries to it, you know,
So now it's like, Okay, where do we go from here?
It's like, okay, well, now we're gonna try to do
a revenue share salary cap. Okay, cool that, I'm I'm
huge fan for that. But then it's like okay, now
with the NIL, Now what are we gonna do? Okay, well,
maybe we need to do a union. We need to

(01:56:47):
provide way more employees that's able to help and provide
whatever it is, clearance for the NIL deals, help with it,
whatever it is, because like you can't just leave all
of this up to the play and now agents and
then you've got twelve people working on everything like that's
you're asking for issues and lawsuits and people not getting

(01:57:10):
paid and without contracts too. Like that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
In my opinion, we started NIL, there was no sit
I firmly believe they did not think this ship through completely.
They was just like, hey, let's let's just do the NIL.
Let's pay these motherfuckers with the Indian and they got
crazy and then people calling an n Cuba, Yo, what
do we do with this? They're like, uh, let me

(01:57:35):
call you back. What do we do? It's crazy, It's.

Speaker 5 (01:57:39):
Crazy, like you fight all these years to want the
players to get paid and then now they're getting played.
Now we're trying to fucking control it. And what I'm saying,
it's like there's always a problem, right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
I think j Jackson made a really good point. You
shouldn't be captain on your nil where you should be
paid a salary to play for university.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Absolutely, that's what needs to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Agree, Yes, right, there should be a maximum salary. You
get two million dollars play for the University of North Carolina.
Now North Carolina says, I have X amount of nil
dollars for you because Ben and Jerry's and Seth will
pay you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
That's up to them. What you should only have X
amount of dollars to spend one?

Speaker 7 (01:58:19):
Yeah, I mean I think that's the only way.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
It's the same ship.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
No, But because then it's not everything through the school
is controlled. Like your salary happens to the school. What
you go get from other players is up to you.

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
You're gonna get all right, bet what you just say,
all right, yeah, we're gonna get you two mail but.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
I got you for sure, that's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:58:40):
But that just happened.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
What happens in the NBA too, but there is some
control around the salaries and the contracts and what you
play and what you do in the professional league. There
needs to be controlling the professional professional league. Right What
you can earn outside is up to you.

Speaker 7 (01:58:54):
But there's gotta be organization playing.

Speaker 5 (01:58:57):
You couldn't get paid. It was guys game paid. H
R got paid. I did not get paid. You definitely
got paid.

Speaker 4 (01:59:10):
It was putting that on blast, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
He just put me on.

Speaker 4 (01:59:15):
Used to putting people on. I used to put people.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
That. He always put me on blast. Yeah, so you
feel me. There's definitely zero organization organizations. Nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:59:32):
It's gonna happen regardless. Man, do you put a cap
on it. Yes, you put a cap, a salary cap
to play for that school. But you know in the back.

Speaker 4 (01:59:39):
End what's gonna happens everywhere and everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
But there needs to be some sort of structure that
you can at least have rules in play.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 7 (01:59:50):
Yeah, And then the next step is making sure that
everything's binding. Fellas, Like, that's the problem. You've got two
thousand cases out here of n I L that's just
not just not being cleared. You know what, I'm saying,
so like, imagine, imagine you're imagine you're at un C
and you're waiting for that next whatever Huney k to
come through from the nil deal of the photo shoot

(02:00:11):
you just did and it's just not getting cleared.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
Like that's what the Florida State thing, right, Florida State went,
they said, scream shit with Leonard Hamilton we talked about
last year. They was waiting on their bread. They were like,
wait a minute, dog, where my money at? And that's
what you don't want to run into because then it
gets But I think the biggest thing I say about
the cap, it just brings back the parody of college

(02:00:35):
basketball because it is so top heavy right now because
the other teams don't have that bread if you get
if you bring that cap, and then a player of
really a decent player, a good player, is like, Okay,
they can't give me the bread that i'll I can
get here. All right, Well, I'm gonna just go here
because that's all they chasing at this point anyway, Right

(02:00:55):
all right, bet that's how you can bring the parody
back on teams, and now we can have it way
more competitive because as we see right now, the sec
whole damn league was last year. Why they had the
most bread, had money, there was nothing, there was nothing
anybody else could do.

Speaker 6 (02:01:15):
And also it was good about it too. And also
protect it protects the college athletes. Is you signed contracts,
you gotta pay me this money? You're doing these n
I L deals? Why I got to give you this bread?

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
Yeah? And this university accountable? Are y'all?

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
Are you all favor for Like we'll only get your
salary is two million dollars a year or let's say
two point five over the year.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
But if you leave early, oh yeah, fifty yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
Like I think like that should be in two We
should hold them accountable for sure, because if I signed.

Speaker 4 (02:01:49):
A contract you said I want to be the league
in two years.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
Contract and go back to contracts.

Speaker 4 (02:01:53):
And contract if you stay for two years because contract protects,
it protects the the university, and it protects the players.

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
You get to everybody signs a two year deal, right ay,
j you stay here for you stay here for two
years or you get seven mil. You stay here for one,
you get two, I give you three, you get to
four the next year. Or some people might want it
front loaded. You know what I'm saying, like you negotiated.
You can negotiate that, but I can't give you all

(02:02:24):
that at once, and that just gives you the more
parody of the whole the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
I think there needs to be a penalty if you
leave the school earlier and you sign it to your contract,
because if you sign it to your commitment, you should
lose some There should be a penalty to that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:36):
And that'll help, and that'll help kids understand that you
gotta work.

Speaker 4 (02:02:39):
That's why I should be backloaded.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
You gotta work for everything.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Jay Jackson, Man, you got anything else for us before
we sign out? Man, it's good having you back on
the show. We lost and loaded for the rest of
the year.

Speaker 7 (02:02:52):
Sure, and I appreciate y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Boys.

Speaker 7 (02:02:55):
Man, y'all keep being great.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
See you next week, boy, appreciate.

Speaker 4 (02:02:59):
You see legend Jay Jackson in the building.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
Indeed.

Speaker 4 (02:03:03):
Sure, all right, y'all. We'll see you guys next week.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
Yeah, next week's gonna be girls from week.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
It was good days in a week. You know what
I'm saying. I'll be back on be back on Tuesday
with them.

Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
You appreciate talking higher ups.

Speaker 5 (02:03:19):
I gotta talk to the higher up my gas man,
I need some gas money.

Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
Bro, What happens when you got all the luxury cards?
You gotta buy a Honda Niga.

Speaker 6 (02:03:26):
Ye, get you electric forty five minutes from here now, man,
But yeah, I won't be here Monday, Monday, maybe Tuesday too.

Speaker 2 (02:03:34):
Damn already.

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
I think we got fed in the building on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
Okay, cool, Cool, You know I gotta hold it down
for you. Gotta replacement for replace. About saying now, don't
try to replace, can't be replaced.

Speaker 4 (02:03:50):
General. You know what I'm saying right, makesing go.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
There you go. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
I appreciate the love. Man, first week in the books.
Keep tuning in with us. We're getting bigger and better.
We appreciate all of love.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Again. We're out of here. We're trying to get in
night

Speaker 10 (02:04:08):
Mm hmm

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