Is Siakam the number 1 option? Why this series will be competitive, Should the Knicks keep Thibs??

Where do the Knicks go from here, do they make a bold move and try land Giannis? Are the Raptors actually real with the Giannis sweepstakes. Are we going to have a great NBA Finals or does SGA and the OKC Thunder make light work of the Pacers?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yo. What are people? We are back with another live
stream of To the Baha. Today is a very special episode.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
We are welcome Ray first, before do anything, were introducing
the episode.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Get into always always always introduce people after I say
too much already off, I'm like ship like this, this
the I apology. I let's start or what let's let's

(00:50):
start over party people? How are we doing? We were
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This is a very special episode because it's the first
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Let's get to it. Let's introduce our cast today. Sorry,
my brother Ray back in the building. It's been with
a week man, it's been a week man, Yes sir,

(01:11):
Yes sir, yes sir.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Even a good life in New York man.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
And look look what he got on the payroll shirt
on you know we called we called, we call a
double agent.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I respect it. In the finals. One thing I will
say about being a double agent. I just want to
one thing I will say about being a double agent.
At least the colorways match up perfectly for both. You
know what I'm saying. I got I gotta give respect
where it's due. So but good to have you back to.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Make a better about the clowncil. I didn't know he
didn't do that. No, I did not empty tripping mt.
We appreciate you, clown might that was you.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
We still haven't seen that soup yet.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I did know you.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Ah, this is crazy. That that's that's the crazy. Did
y'all hear that you catch that New York, New York game,
New York, New York, York, New York.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm so New York.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
You're funny. But also introducing the rest of the cast.
You know, we got my brother Charlie V in the building.
You heard you know what I'm saying. We're trying to
keep it. We're trying to keep him safe in the
New York. Right now, I'm on my New York ship
you heard, with the with the with the Woo tang,
with the you see them. That's hardest ship. That's hard ship.

(02:32):
Of course we got we got home sitting across from
What's so? What's What's so? How's everybody doing? Already already
on bullshit.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Fucking shirt down you also after dark?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
That's cool right.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Now, said scared after dark.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Somebody needs to take over his goddamn Mike and his
gold field ain't got to go through today. To Bro,
that don't mean he's got some of the card on
he takes something for a guy.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
He spike it.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
You spiking your energy drinks game bringing the energy he
got got same water that we questioned what was inside
the water as well?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
He said, what's in the cup? Don't wry about what's
in his cook It's all good. We're gonna have a
good time. Like little wayn don't wry about got a cut.
I gotta cut like this was like two weeks ago.
You gotta fa hull.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
That's a fake that.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
I'm not qualified to talk about.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Hey man, let's get to it. Man, I already know
I already ready talk.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
About the hold hold shout out to he got a
dumb Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
He got a I think he got a road game today,
so good luck to him. Yeah, we need back to
back up game.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Did he perform on though he said he couldn't throw
the ball into the ocean.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I used to have like a light eighteen, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
He had like a seventeen, like six and five or
something eighteen, So he just didn't throw the ball into
the ocean.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, eighteen on slight days.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
As long as you get the dub, that's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It's my team. It's about winning, winning culture. How was
your experience in New York? Bro?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
It was great.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
Man, had a good time, man, you know it went
to to watch parties and then went to the actual
game game five. You know, sat on the floor. It
was It was fun, man, it was amazing. Atmosphere was crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
So you're saying, you saying they want because she was
on the floor.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
I'm saying they won because yeah, I was in the building. No,
I'm just kidding. But but it was it was fun.
I had had a good time.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Is that your first fafame this this year?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
For the next actually being there and they won?

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It might do with you for all that now we.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Talked about that one game, broo late for all that,
not the secret sauce.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's cool.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
All I'm saying is, though, you know we can get
another bid in the well, okay, see you want to.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
We get it that later.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Ray, I just need the series and the five in five,
says a gentleman sweep.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I don't even know, Bro, you think it's I don't
think it's a gentleman sweep.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
We'll see at least six out of that. I know
we're going to go Bro, I know we're gonna talk
about it. But the slander towards Tyrese is crazy like
that Austin Clip. I don't know if you guys saw.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
What Pa lamellow ball, I mean, right, was that it?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah? It was Lamello over him. That was wild. That's wild.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Two back to back Eastern Conference finals and the finals
appearance leading the team.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
There's something to be said about being able to win.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
And but he's also one of the few pure point
guards in the league too, like actual pure point guards. Yeah,
I agree with you totally. Yeah, But I mean, let's
get into it. Let's get let's get into the indie
next series. Let's reactions to Game six, how we feel
about it, What we see.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Should mean, what we saw, we saw get the ass beat.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
They came strong, though, a strong infor if we do
the show for another two years. Charlie's not gonna be
good in New York.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
I'm good in New York?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Is it New York? Said that? I'll say this to
you guys quickly.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
I mean, Tyris is pretty quiet into the fourth, he was,
and he was quiet last game too.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, he's always quiet. He typically does that. He wakes
up like in the in the fourth.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
He wakes up when he was supposed to. Like you said,
he's a true point guard. Yeah, he's running teams all
game and then if he needs to in the fourth
court he takes over. That's what that's what a true
point guard is.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
I'm actually with you. We haven't seen that in so long,
so like, yeah, I'm not used to that anymore.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think he's like.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
Because tradition, traditional now point guards is scoring twenty five
plus a game.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
That's what they do. They scored the ball passing.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
He's still averages like twenty. It's like he's not getting bug.
But like what tennis is a game more than ten, eleven, twelve?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Ray hit to hit the nail on the head though, man,
like you think of Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul,
they would all wake up up in the fourth because
they're pushing it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Especially.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I think you just haven't seen that in so long
because guys are just scoring all the time.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
Yeah, because you're running your team, you know what I'm saying,
Like you have to run your team and get everybody involved.
Like hell ever, burn to understands he's not going to
be able to do this without these other guys. Yeah,
he understands that, so it's not his game.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah. I think. I think Too National is a good
comparison because they both run. They pushed the offense the
whole time. They're getting up and down to court the
whole game. And I think it's not we don't see
that in the sense of past first anymore, like we
see guys giving down the four, but not in a
past for sus like that.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
I'm not gonna lie, bro. This series was exciting to watch.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
It was done, it was it wouldn't blow out, it
was no never.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
I hate that my Knicks lost. But at the end
of the day, if you didn't like this series, you
don't like basketball. This was good bump. It was good
bump this whole series. It was intense. They was talking jump,
it got physical. Everything you want to see in basketball
was in this series.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
The storyline, it was very dramatic with Alberry hitting that
crazy shot.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, that's when the series was lost. Game one, Game one, Yeah,
that was a big win.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Game one.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
This might be because might be the rest of the
series was can New York bounce back? The whole narrative
is like ken bound from this, bound from this. It
was never like New York was ever in control of
the series.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
They were never even after that, then Indiana led the
whole way.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, do we think that this series reignited that
rivalry between these two teams?

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Of course, yes, we needed to see this man back
to the nineties basketball.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
It's fun.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
It was just funny. It was fun to see like
just all the all the ogs in Indiana came back
to the games and then all the ogs that came
back in New York, like just to see everybody there.
And then when you think about it, this is like
a real robbery from Larry Johnson, John Starks, all of

(09:04):
them with Reggie Miller and them two to us with
PG Hilbert, David West, you know those guys you know
with me Mellow j R. Trump, Tyson like j Kid,
Like you know Kirk Thomas or kurk Thomas. What's funny,

(09:25):
shout out to my mayor Kurt Thomas. And Kurt Thomas
was a part of both eras. He played with l
J and them, he played with me, So you know
what I'm saying, but live man, this this is a
robbery that's gonna be It's gonna be here for a
while because I feel like in any Pacer is gonna
be good for a very long time. And I feel
like the New York Knicks is gonna be good for

(09:45):
a long time. And if they land Giannis, I bet
you ahead of time. Baby from Dallas and raised like
that rage game is crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
His son's son's days when he's a little older, he
was still nice.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
He's still didn't work.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Shout out, shout out of the Regie Miller comment man
comment game.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
He gave him the trophy to.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
That's crazy. So how do you feel about Reggie Miller
like being very active on the Pacers side, especially like
since he's a commentator, he had a lot he got
a lot of flack about that he was he was
very active about being biased.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
No, I don't think he was biased. I think he
did a good job. He did his job. He did
his job. He did a good job. He did his job.
And just say a good job because it was a
lot of times when he was tell he was all Pacers.
It's like you over there commentation this God, we know
you hate.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
The New York Knicks.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I hate the Knicks.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
You said that, Yeah, he said, Ben said that. You said,
I've never heard he said hated nixt going on. Yeah,
it's wild. He listened to.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Team just traumatized Broy crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
You know, it's just like younger Bro picking a different
team than Big Bro. That's what it came out there.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
You go, come on, but hate th hate.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
It is a little insane, but I get it.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
You can't hate hate a local team you from New York.
That's crazy. I don't hate none of my but with
New York.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
I'm like Charlie that I don't rock with the Raptors,
but I rock with you hate them though you don't
hate them.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I really don't like them like I wouldn't hate. But
I dis liked the Raptors quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
It's like you're gonna be banging from Toronto, NA.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Like New York though what they gonna be.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
No, no, no, let's let's keep it a stack. We want
to be New York. We're baby new York.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's the reality.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
You said all the time. It's baby new York. Real quick,
real quick. Got to give a shout out to Robbing
in the building.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Okay, Robbing walked in and Ship. But it's all right, man,
but I've been beyond me. But I ain't nothing on
my social That's what.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
That's what.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
When he came up the steps, he.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Came up to step, so I was like, Ship, take it.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
He shoutouts on time, ser agency.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Next, are we shocked that one? Yes, waiting for you
to bring that up. It was he won. He was
the best player of the series.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Get your out of here. This was crazy. Though. If
Caliburn really thought he was gonna get I.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
Would say this, Listen, I'm not disrespecting. He was great.
He was the next best player. But if you, god damn,
take Halliburton off that team, they do not win.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
If you if you take off the team, they do
not win. Yes, yeah, right, that's true that.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
He carried them in like three points, just points. I'm
talking about what I'm talking about. What you see? What
he defense?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
He was good, bro Haliburton. Hell, I'm gonna be quiet. Congress, congrats.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
This this is how I feel. That's how I feel.
I get it.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Give your point, Give point guard, give point guards. There
their flowers. When when you're supposed to Halliburton, to me,
was the m v P of that series.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm sorry, but you can't get he can't get mad at.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
I'm not mad at. IM not mad at because because
I don't really give it damn about the patient. So
I don't I don't care. You know, I'm gonna be.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm gonna keep then, you know what I say, I
don't care.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
But still like I just I fel like Haliburton, especially
where everybody just kind of on going at him with
the overrated that was on that.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Was he definitely the narrative wise, I see why you
said that, but you know what I'm saying, Like specifically, though,
what do you think that Halliburn and did that separate
himself from Siako?

Speaker 6 (14:02):
Like he controlled the whole game. Even when he was
at scoring, he still impacted the game by being a facilitator,
by being a leader, like like we just talked about it,
like even in the fourth quarter, like the first three
quarters he was chilling, and all of a sudden in
the fourth quarter he explosed because that's what he needed
to do. They needed another score because Sikom already had
about twenty five twenty six. He don'e did his scoring

(14:25):
to kind of keep him flowing. But he's the guy
that's doing the facilitating. You take him out the game, bro,
Like I just I don't think it flows the same.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
I mean Sakam was gaining most of those assists right
from him.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Where I challenged you on that ray and ask you,
is I feel like you take him out, you have Nabhard.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Not the same. I like him, I liked him. I
like him a lot. He's still not Halliburton.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
He's not Halliburn, but he still gets the teamwork they
needed to get done when you put him in the
game and TJ it's levels to it, though for sure
there's levels, But my point is, like Siakam was getting buckets.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
He was I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I saw defense on Carl was really good too, Like
he was I thought was the best player in the series.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I think, definitively for me, he was the best player
in the series.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
That's all I was said.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
I mean, I'm not mad about it because, like like
you said, like he he did do his thing, But
for me, I just felt like Haliburton was more was
more valuable to me. I think that's that's my opinion.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
You got to remember I always said that Indiana was
a team that is a well balanced team, right well,
if anybody can it could be their time, It could
be there their day. And I think it was series
bro even though we think we know that Tyrese Haliburn
is the best player on that team, we feel like

(15:45):
but it was that that kind of carried him over
the hunk.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I'm gonna say this though, I kind of see race perspective,
but I also think it's because you understand how much
it takes to run and temple over a team and
being a true point guard, especially like in the playoffs,
some things slowed down. Indiana's been like the one team
who hasn't slowed down, like how they play if you
really think of what I mean, Okay, see two but
as far as like half sets, they still running teams

(16:11):
up and down court no matter how what they try
to do. I I personally believe I would have gave
it to Halliburton, but I kind of do think it
might be because more narrative reasons. I think the narrative
around him and he how badly he disproved, like the
narratives against him made it seem like he kind of
should get it. And I think the two best games

(16:32):
in the series he had, I think might have been
more consistent, and so I get that's why he won MVP,
but the two bad like he had a perfect game,
literally had like a perfect thirty two to fifteen and
twelve no turn, wait, a couple of steals too. You
know what I'm saying. He played really and that's what
I'm saying. I do think that that has to mean something,
especially in that game. They needed to win that game.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
I don't know, man as then have thirty six or
thirty eight one game, then he had thirty one the
next game.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
But I'm saying a well rounded all. Yeah, that's what said.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
It was more consistent, right, yeah, because they were games
where haller Burn kind of faded.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Tyres did not show up a game five, right, and
and game in game three where they lost, he wasn't
that good either, Like I think, is way more consistent
and that means something in the series.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Right. He lost the voting by one by one point.
It was five five boy. Yeah, I mean I'm not
mad at it. Saying if I had, you guys know,
means I'm.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Not mad about it either. I just that my opinion
is like Halliburton.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Which award is this is a Larry Bird Award conference.
Do you guys like this award?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
They do the same thing with every Baseball has the
same Football has magic.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I believe it's magic.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
It is its magic, right.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, because East and West Lakers Celtics Finals. His career
Finals is m J. Yeah, J is the actual m
v P. That's MJ, the m.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
V P on the year. Yeah it is. Yeah, So yeah, no,
but I do I appreciate you. See, I can getting
his flowers. Like I said, he's been really consistent for
a long time. Like you can put him.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Very underrated. He is under He's very underrated, but.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Welcome next down. Tim supposedly has the support of a
team to remain a head coach. What do we think
about that? Do we think that is the right move
on the Knicks?

Speaker 7 (18:28):
When you talked about the confidence, obviously, I feel like
nobody takes more criticism than Tom and this team obviously
has turned around during his tenure. Do you kind of
feel that going forward he's the same guy, lift you
guys the rest of the way that next level?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Is that a real question right now? You just asked
me if I believe that if he's the right guy. Yes,
thanks guys, Come on, yeah, so he was, he.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Was, he was.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah, that's the wrong time to ask that question, bro,
right right after the game, Right after the game you
just lose, and all of a sudden, you ask me
about my coach. What is he supposed to say? Now
we need to get rid of him? Ask what is
he supposed to also?

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Like how you said that too?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, just giving him the keys to the kingdom and
trusted him. Like what do you expect from the guy
that he's best.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Especially because like you know, no one really thought Halliburn
would be that and he saw it in him first.
So like, what do you think he's going to say
about the guy who trusted him first?

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Exactly? And then why would you fire somebody that got
you to the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
The farthest you've been since two thousand.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
The farthest you've been in a while.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Hey, listen, let's fire him.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Dwayne Casey Eastern Conference Finals Coach of the Year.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
I mean, at the end of the day, like.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
You know, the things he was doing in the playoffs
was what we wanted during the season, and I feel
like if he keeps that, then I think the Knicks
want to be fine next year because he started playing
his bench, I think, and I think he started giving
guys minutes. And if he do that in the regular
scene in then I think I think they're gonna be
alright with some changes.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
It's gonna be some changes.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
So let me kick it back to you guys, right,
Not that he's not a good coach, but you know
I'm not saying the same situation, Mark Jackson, Steve Kerr,
pat Riley Spoelstra. Sometimes changes are just needed, true, Are
you got? Like I'm not saying we don't have any
inside presence on the locker. You might ray, but I don't,
so I can't speak on it. Maybe that's just good

(20:25):
for the team. They've been at this kind of level
where they play hard, they run certain sets. Maybe they
need someone to take them to the next level because
it's easy to go from bad to good. Not easy,
but that's an easier jump from going bad to good,
then it's going good to great. You everybody in this
room knows that.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, how long has this been?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
In?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Like four or five years?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Deals in the chat shot out the theal man got your.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Child, the man let him go n Why deal you
know tips tis he's been there what four or five years?

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, he's been there twenty one, twenty two, I think
the twenty twenty one after the COVID year.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, been there four years.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Maybe changes.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I'm gonna say this. I don't know because I'm not
a TIBs guy. I'm not a really big TIBs guy.
But I will say this, he furthered my expectations what
I thought he was going to do. And I do
think if the players are on his side, actually on
the side, not just saying this, I think you give
him one more year and see he makes those adjustments.
If by like early in the season, you see like,

(21:22):
all right, this is not gonna work, then you make
the change quick. Make it quick.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Though, I can roll with that.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I don't think you wait too long into the season.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
I wouldn't sign up.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I can't say, are you guys, I don't.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Think he'll get an extend?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Can you guys speak on what it's like getting a
coach mid season, a new coach mid season?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, like, because he's saying make the change, good season.
But I'm like, is that isn't that worse?

Speaker 4 (21:44):
No, it's not bringing a totally new coach you'll probably
hire an assistance already there for the room, someone you
like it so well.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Rick bront Is probably gonna be the head coach, the
interim head coach. But I don't know about Rick as
a coach. I haven't seen him enough, honestly.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
So you start seeing more former players as coaches. It's
just like you're gonna start seeing that because that's who's
better to read the game, who's better to make adjustments,
who's better to get across to this young generation other
than somebody who's been through it, you know, at this level,
you know that can really talk to these guys, explain

(22:27):
to these guys, and really get across to them and
have them understand it. Because that's the world we live
in now. If these kids can't relate to you, if
these young dudes can't understand you, then they not gonna
want to play for you. They're making all the money
in the world because college dealing with it with the
nil deals. If these coaches, some of these old school
coaches are gonna start getting pushed out because they can't relate,

(22:51):
and that's just what it is. Unfortunately, you know, this
is what it is. Starting. You're gonna start seeing younger coaches.
You're gonna start seeing player coaches coming in and you're
gonna that they're gonna have The league is gonna have
to start seeing that, and they're gonna have to stop
making these highest This is what it is.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
So who's the best coach in the NBA to you
guys right now?

Speaker 4 (23:09):
The best coach.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
If you guys, or give me a top three.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
I think one of the best coaches is Okay se coach.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I think he didn't play Mark.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
He didn't play no.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Mark.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Now you know you've been.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Around the game. Yeah, he was Florida Spostra.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
He was with Billy Donovan and Florida.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
He was in Billypo is played D two. I think
obviously Poppy retired, but Pop he was played. I think
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
He lose probably the best way and Steve are y'all
ain't putting Steve up there. I think he's the best
former player coach.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
That's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
So yeah, a decent amount of the good head coaches
today are former players. THEO saying shout out to theod Obviously,
he said, are they there if Detroit isn't young? Are
they there if Boston isn't fully healthy and don't give
up twenty point leads.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Well, the they did so they a lot. Boston was
fully healthy for most of the series.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
They were up three, They were gonna probably win that
game that JT got hurt in my opinion, who Boston was, No,
the Celtics, the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Ye know, they were gonna win the.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
He was gonna go for about sixty but they still
gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, yeah, they what thirt team with two minutes left? Like,
I don't think they were really going to win that
game or that series, and even he was still there
in my opinion, Yeah, I just I just don't. Yeah,
I think it wasn't the Boston Celtics year, which is
Missoula is put Mosula is one of the best coaches already. Yeah,
I think.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
For sure, I'm putting Bigger Staff before him.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Really in Detroit, Bigger Staff doesn't have a chip, no.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Matter, Bigger Staff hasn't had his talent.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
He was handed the bigger listen, don't. I mean you
don't have that was team and he was just handed.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
That's like Steve Kirk. Steve Kirk was handed the team
for more. Just yeah, one of our points. Is Peter
pull up the where do you put rank Rick if
he wins?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, he is one of the top coaches. Yeah, he
was the top coaches the league. Yeah yeah, carry looking
like yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Just my mom called me and said that the other day.
She's like, who is his twin? I was like, his.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Face, his facial expressions is so hilarious.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
So so so y'all have Rick in your top five coaches.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah. Yeah, he's done.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
It without a championship, without that, he's up there ready
he got one. No, no, I'm saying without.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Even without one, because he has one of the most
impressive championships.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
He had dark Dark and no one else was All Stars.
Not saying that, you know, everyone else went good. Just
they went all Stars, like the Indiana patients.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
They went Our Stars. Then that year, that's what you meant.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I don't think any of them have I mean, yeah,
but I kid, yeah, but yeah man.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Not that year.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
This This is like, but you guys was on that
team too. Obviously got injured.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
But yeah, yeah he didn't play the whole year. Really
problem was on the team? Did he get injured? He
doesn't play like twenty games that year.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Title A.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
I remember my boy but I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Like, besides Tyson, most of them were past their problems.
I'm saying, you'll.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Remember Brian Cardinal the game, putting in some putting in
some in some big minutes.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
A cart right, Bill, right, correct, Cardinal Cardinal.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
You said Cardinals Cardinal had like a legacy game. We
had like six stres like everyone everyone was just having
legacy games. But I think the whole world was rooting. Yeah,
I was the whole world is patient sing but like
patient like retired like the year after that though. He
just back was done. His back was.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
That's what was on that team.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Bro. I would say this Rick got like the best
out of everyone before, like they just weren't in their
problems anymore. I think that that was that was interesting.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
He started j J and Jason Kidd J.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Terry was off the bench right that year.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Cherry was off the year.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
That year he was was the starter. Yeah, he killed
and killed the Lakers nothing with him.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
They swept the defending CHAMPI Lakers man he could do
with big if if if our. If RC wins a
ring this year, he's gonna have to the most person rings.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I think he ain't winning though, putting out I'm gonna
put put that on the same thing as in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's a I'm gonna say it's the same thing they said.
They said we were not winning that ship. They said
we were not winning that ship.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
This guy says, we like he's part of the Pacers,
going now what I said.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
They said we were not winning that ship in twenty eleven,
the Mavericks.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
The one the one thing I will saying that he
has going for himself is that he does have chair
with your pedigree.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
He's won it.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Before, and he will be the guy to beat Oklahoma
City and shot the world because he's done only the
world before.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Is the only champion on either team, Pascal. Yeah, there's
no other champion on any other team on the either team.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Right, No Carusoe.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Caruso the bubble Caruso.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh yeah, I forgot so got one too.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
So both team got one, one champion on each team.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I got about that. He was on that bubble. He
was like a rookie though he was really young.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
He was young.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
He was a rookie of the second year. He was like
second year.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
I think, yeah, that young, but he was cruiser. He
looked like about forty.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Remember he played five playing in the He right, he's
thirty one, bro, thirty one, but then he like, no, no, no,
he was four.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
He was three years in the league.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
When he wanted to about to say, it wasn't no
rookie three years.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
He was three years in the league. One two, Yes,
it is one more year. So they got they got
one champion on each side. So should there it's relatively
young teams, man, this should be really you.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Know, I think it's going to be more exciting than
what people think.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
Don't it's gonna be scrappy, though. I don't think it's
gonna be just sweet. No, I ain't say sweet gentleman.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think it's a gentleman sweet.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I think it's I think it's okay. Scene six, Yeah, yeah,
I think it's. I think it's okay. I hope I wrong.
I want like, I don't hate okay see or anything
like that. I just kind of want Indiana. I like,
Rick is my guy.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
What I'm saying you can't be you can't be on
a shown door.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Snap bro heay me.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I ain't rolling, right, rolling, ain't rolling.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I mean it's you shouldn't you have it'd be crazy
to with that, do you guys.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
I don't know if you guys heard the stat with Oklahoma,
but that there are twenty nine and one against.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
The circ conferences and then and when the only team
to beat him was Cleve Cleveland. I remembers, hold on, hold.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
On, wait, wait a minute, and then overall the record
in the playoffs and regular season, they're eighty and eighty.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Lizard, it could be, Broz, can you spend it for
a David Goli situation?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Eighty and eighteen?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Hope?

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Okay, See it's so good, bro, Like it's when you
watched them. When I watched them versus Minnesota, everybody thought
Minnesota was gonna go shock the world. They beat Minnesota
like they what's supposed to be on the court with him? Bro,
I'm serious? And then I'm looking at man some possessions.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
He didn't want to touch the ball because of lou Dort.
He didn't want to touch the basketball. So what you
think Haliburton and I think Ethony is way more like
just tougher and just stronger than Haliburton. What do you
think Haliburt is gonna be feeling with lou Dort. He
ain't gonna want the basketball? Bro.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I don't think he'll be guarding him.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Who gonna guard him? But Indiana play good defense.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I probably probably put on Halliburton.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Why who you put on Pascal?

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I probably I probably put Check. I probably put Lou
on Pascal. I probably put Lou on Past. No, I'm
put check on does's working in the mid post right,
A lot of his work in the mid post lose.
Lo's gonna not give him positions to be a physical
fight mid post.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Jalen j doub Garden.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
I hear that Indiana is the best offensive team out
of this team. Yeah, Indiana was the best offensive.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
She's gonna garden.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
He was the best defensive. Double him.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
When you're gonna put j double him?

Speaker 1 (31:24):
J double past right? No on Terrese, No, I'm putting
Lou dor Who you who you say? You say on past?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
He said on I don't like Jalen on Pascal. I don't.
I feel like I think for length wise, I think
you want to put j up on him, and then
I can see.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Check gonna be on him.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Though.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Just start off the game, because they start they start
being they starting.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Check On be one because Harror Hard will be on
Miles forget. Yeah, yeah, you have to. You have to
put checks, gonna cook chat.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
I think I don't know, no sleep, you can't stop
forgetting positions. I feel like, yeah, if he gets to
the interior, But like, as far as.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
He's a better defender than what Pascal has been seen,
he got length and he's a better defender. Yes, he's
he's smaller, he's gonna be able to bump him and
use his physicality. But me watching him versus Randall, who
I think is way more physical than Pascal, I don't know.
Pascal a better score, he's a better score, give him that.
He's a better score. But Julius is way more physical

(32:25):
and he was able able to still do decent versus Julius.
So I'm I'm liking my Thunder. No, I like the Thunder.
But this is gonna be an exciting series.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Man.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
I think RC will make the right adjustments, make the
right adjustments too.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I mean, who do you guys think wins the coaching war?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Man, that's that's two more coaches right there. But that's
gonna be a good It's gonna be good here. That's
why I said it's gonna be a good series.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I'm probably gonna be probably gonna lose my money if
Rick makes the right adjustments. Honestly, I feel like Rick
is too good to like he's too good to it
ain't gonna be no five. I'm gonna you want cash
right now?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Buy out?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Is it cash?

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I have to give you if it's if it goes
six six, right, he'll be I know min with you
was five.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I said that it's a gentleman sweep. You said, you
said five under? I said five or under? Just give
him six cash? No, no, it's cash. I mean give
him sixty five hundred. I'm just thinking about it as
you playing. Is what it is?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Got accepted though, I just feel like arc is too
good like you guys are right, is gonna make adjustments.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I'm saying, don't make adjustment. He not a coach. Get blown.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Let me ask you this is okay?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
See?

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Is this the best team we've seen ever? No, no team,
no best team. There's no way, bro, think about it now.
The Wars teams, okay, but they lost about doing KD Okay,
what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
He said, was this the best team ever?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Told?

Speaker 4 (33:50):
The best team ever? Is it?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Is? It? Is it about ninety eight? Bulls? Fucking I
mean twenty seventeen Wars. I just gave you the numbers lost. Okay,
see uh eighteen total with playoffs.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Bulls on the lost ten games in one season total
and won the championship. Yeah. Yeah, respect.

Speaker 8 (34:11):
That doesn't saying like the Bulls better respect, I'm just
saying it is for the discussion. I mean, I hear
those numbers and the leading and eighteen within the.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
Last If they take care within the last crazy maybe
within the last ten years, this might be the best team.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
The twenty seventeen Warriors have the best playoff record of
all time.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That WARS team sixteen and one twenty seventeen war teams
because the Lakers were fifteen to one.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah that's what Kobe's may.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, the Lakers are fifteen to one and the Warriors
sixteen to one. I think the best team in the
last twenty years is definitely the seventeen Warriors.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I think the question I don't think you've been biased
with that. I do think so too.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
And if I had to go with a second team,
I'm going with the Heat over this team. Yeah, the
Heat that won the Heat that won that twenty twelve team.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
He that when Brown was like the numbers. You talk
about skill, that's.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
What Bron was too certain. I'm going by the number.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's when he locked in.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
After that one, Bro, you're talking about you're talking about
a six nine to seventy fast.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Remember that's deep poy Bron, that's d poy Bron too.
Bron is running for to that's deep. Team wise, what
was the record, I don't remember. I think they want
sixty games or something. That not the year they won
twenty something saying okay, I was seventy. Believe that might
have been the year that. No, no, no, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Okay, she already gotten the Minnesota series. You want to know,
because they had already gotten hurt and they lost to
the That was that.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Was a lockout year.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
So they only won fifty forty six games.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
That year, forty six games.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
It was a lockout year. It was a lockout year.
Forty six and twenty. They weren't they won that dominant.
But the next year after twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, they
won sixty six games, and that was that was it?

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Not sixty eight. Well, okay, she won.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I mean that's doesn't matter. Okay, gotta win dominant sing
This would could potentially be one of the most dominant
years we've seen. You're just looking at numbers. Then it's
not the question. The Warriors are bulls.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Isn't we going off numbers?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
The Warriors are bulls. It's for sure, the Warriors are bulls.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
He's not in that conversation if they're not in there,
one of the best, but they're not top two, They're
not in that conversation.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Might be three.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I think, are you just I mean just numbers, bro?
You we don't evaluate basketball just off the numbers, the
eye test, but we for the eye test.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's case, And then what are we talking about if
we're doing the eye test and would have gone on
m v P. All right, it's a whole different topic,
all right, Right?

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Wrong?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Going off numbers.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Always want to go to the next topic. They don't you
like numbers.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
But the best team of all time on numbers is
the seventy to two Tenants balls that's it, yes, or
the even even the Wars.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Even the Wars. What they want seven that game they beat,
they want seven?

Speaker 3 (37:08):
They want like I think sixty seven or sixty five
games they won between sixty five and seven games.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
That year, but they win sixty eight.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Didn't know but then but then I think they only lost,
like they lost one game in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
They lost one game. So they went sixty seven and
fifteen and they lost.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
One game in the playoffs. Respect they're automatically better than
the whole case team. I respect it because they want
a chip to you. Got it all right, That's all
I'm saying. Charlie is awesome. Ship today.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Numbers got man, that.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I get it. I respect it.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Hey all, I'm gonna say, hey, chat, what do you
all think? Y'all put your opinions in the chat?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Is trying woman? Numbers don't numbers No. Numbers can also
be fudged though, Yeah, hey that's real people in the
estate business. So let us know, chat. What do you
who do you guys think the best teams?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
The time is?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
I'm going I.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Believe the show is over. What I missed it? Hey no, no,
this man is wild. You gotta know we ain't don't
repeat that, Wenna repeat.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
We're gonna move on.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
We're gonna do but real quick, real quick, real quick,
real quick. Topic, I forgot topic.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Take his drink from him.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I told you that's lace and something don't ask him
what's in the cup? He like, little, that's what's in
this cup? You wants to disagree? But no, real quick,
before I go forward, we got to talk about one
more one thing on the Knicks. We got to talk
about this situations bullshit. You think it's bush.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Before for the viewers who don't know, for the viewers
don't know, it's that the Knicks players and some coaches
are reported report allegedly allegedly out sources.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
I mean, I remember, lets you know exactly what source.
I think it was a reliable next, it was a
reliable next.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
I think they're just trying to point the fingers.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I want to say it was the same.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
We just look it up before I say that. Anyways,
they say they were frustrated.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
With his lack of communicational defense and sometimes he'll be
playing the wrong scheme and didn't have a reason as
to why he was doing so. I mean as a player,
as a player, though, think about this. I want to
hear that ship that.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
This is my issue with things. This is my issue
with things.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
Nobody said anything about being frustrated about nothing until they
lost it was so if y'all were frustrated about this one.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Wasn't about this. This has apparently been a thing. I
never heard it.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Gave when they all talked to me, but they didn't
talk to each other in real time those situations.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, there's there's been some had like a lot of
players only meetings with this. It's been small stuff here
and there. Understand it. But let's be honest.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
If we've been watching Cat for years now, don't play
Cat ain't the best defender there. Robinson was the best
defender big man they had that. We know that, and
probably precious after that. Cat wasn't even in the conversation.
So you know what you got. You brought him here
to what score? You brought him here to have a

(39:59):
better big out the score that could score, rebound and score.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
That's his job. What are we talking about. He's a
big reason why you got to where you got to.
What are we talking about? Why are you trying to
put this blame on this name? I mean, because it's
a lot of people that I can start naming some
people that I because I watched the Knicks all year
and I watched them in the playoffs. Because I can
name some other people who's some liabilities on defense.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
So go there.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
So there's two things I want to actually address. Right,
It's crazy they said that Tim's got farther. Well, they
got to the same place with less without Julius last
year and O G.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
So is this team actually better?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
They got to the same place they were.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
No, they're in the Eastern Conference semi finals, Game seven
the East Conference, but they didn't get to first semi
finals last year.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
This is the first passed two thousand. My fault, my fault,
my fault, chap. You know what I'm saying. Like if
you Tim has made some history, you know what I'm saying.
We gotta give him.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
But if Julius was healthy, I think last year they
probably beat the pay if they whole team with I
don't I don't think.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
They're that much better for a team. To be honest
with you guys, I think the trade has worked out
fine for both teams. I just don't know if they're
that much better. I don't disagree. I think that I
think the the trade might have helped Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
More on the cool it don't matter. They're both home.
They both both from d R. Right now, you see
what I'm saying, they're doing a dr Wow, understand me.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
But I just went out before we do You have
you ever had a situations like this where stuff will
come out about players that the other players like not
it's not true, it didn't happen.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
I just think people would just be putting it out
just to put blame on why they lost, right, you
tried to find a reason why something didn't work out.
You know, they're blame it on the coach or they're
blaming on the player and Cat just to be This
seems to be the escapegoald of this because I've been

(41:55):
hearing his name and a lot of trade rumors, this,
that and the third. So let me stare the pot
up with the media right now so he can feel
uncomfortable so we can trade him, you know, type ship.
But Cat is a big reason why they got to
where they got to. So what are we talking about here?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Are you making a move for you?

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Honest, I'm not making a movie.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
You wouldn't trade.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
You wouldn't do a flat swap for Cat? I mean
for Cat. Yeah, I'll do it straight up. Yeah, I'll
do that.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
And maybe but they canna want a couple of picks Cat,
a couple of picks I think be close the knicks
a couples.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
You probably have to give a deuced cat and a
couple of picks. I think he do it.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I'm getting honest.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
I'm getting Yeah for that, I'm getting But if you
gotta throw in Michale, you gotta throw in the mother cats.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I do think I think you do.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
We're talking about another guy who was p voter and
he's really to get honest, we're talking about Gianni.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
That changes everything defensively, offensively, like that changes.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Things, like they have too many they have too many
guys at the same position, though, josh O G mchel right.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Well, they already talking about Michel being added in there
to go to the thirty team coming in here and
the thirteen given picks.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I saw that they traded five first rounds for that game,
so that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
And I like and I like Kill.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
I just think he wasn't as consistent as we needed
him to be. But I like him.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Though, I like to do you guys think that's because
then I was just watching the games and like, I
just feel like he kind of has to just randomly
find his spots.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
No, you know what, I'm gonna speak on that. Yes
to me when I watch their team I feel like
Jalen holds on the ball long, too long.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
You get that ball a headache. He holds onto the
ball too.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
Long, and I think that, you know, when it comes
down to the fourth quarter, When it comes down to
the fourth quarter, then yeah, you know, you want the
ball into your main guy's hands in the pick and roll,
and maybe he's more dominant at that time. But throughout
the Florida game, I feel like the ball needs to
be moving more because you got guys like that, they
can give you more. M you know, og like those

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guys can give you more. But if they just sitting
in the corners or waiting to get the ball with
six seconds on the shot clock, it's tough to score
like that. Bro, It's tough to score when you got
eight seconds and now you got to come up with
a move to try to go get a shot off
like it's not that simple. And he really pounds the
ball a lot with in the office.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
This is why I want to run it back though.
This is what tips right.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
This is why I say, do you need to change
in the leadership because not leadership of coaching, Because same
thing in Chicago, same thing with Jimmy Butler in Minnesota,
Like guys have to go get a one on one offense,
Like that's not how list the last last ten championship teams.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Which teams have won on ISO basketball? Yeah, even the
last twenty. I bet you can't name one the Triangle,
Yeah that one. I mean it's like teams that go like, hey,
I went, but they ain't win.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
So it's like, you know, can you if you really
want to win, if you think you have a championship team,
Tim is really the right guy.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
This is awesome. I think that's why I made that
point about Halliburn been one of the real point guards
where he can incorporate his guys and still get his
You know what I'm saying. I think Jalen that's not
his style, Like it's hard for him to still incorporate
guys and still get his sometimes.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
You know who Jalen plays like and Luca plays the same.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
I think you took you one that said you took
Jayleen Brunson over Luca.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
You said that, you said that, I said the way
he's playing, the way he was playing.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
This year, Yeah, that's not that crazy.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
They playing overall, Hell no this year overall. No, I'm
not taking him over clarification.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
But this year is is that's a fair statement because
I'm picking I'm picking u A. I'm picking probably Karl
over Joel because we haven't seen Yo all right now.
It's kind of the same conversation they've just he just
looked way better this year.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Availability is a big part.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Have you seen Luca though? I seen the images that video.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Going around his skin that every summer though.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
He's putting the league on.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
He don't just be fat ye around like that. I
don't know why you.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
See that every summer.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Because he's because he plays through something. L A man
is that Olympic man? Oh he's eecting bron got him
on it.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
On the knife they go on the table.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
You know how much money o Ozmpic would get Luca
came back. I'm sorry, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
So back to the Cat conversation quickly, so we know,
I mean, you bring in a player that's not known
for his defense, but to win championships, you at least
got to put in the effort.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Do you guys feel like he actually put.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
In the effort?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Cat?

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Yeah, he did the best he could.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
He was.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Basketball players, right, Hold on, hold on, go ahead? And
go ahead and from closer to.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
Me as as players, like I wasn't the best defender
in the world, but it's not like I wasn't trying
like Bro. I was trying, but I just wasn't good
at it, right, So I think he's trying, just not
as good as the others. But he's good at other things.

(47:38):
He couldn't do his job, and he did his job,
yes in the league. Like we are specialists on certain things, right,
Like Ray was good, particularly good on one thing. I
was good on one thing, you know, or two or
three things, whatever it is. But Cat is lacking on
the defensive end. That's okay, But it's not like he's
not trying. So he is trying. But I just know,

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I mean, just not working.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
But let's be honest, though, Charlie, like we both know this,
Like you got what you do this, Like Charlie said,
I wanted he wasn't the best defender, but we know
Charlie was gonna knock that down though, you know what
I'm saying. So that's what he that's what he's in
to do. We ain't worry about CHARLIEO defense. We know
he comeing in and hit these shots so we're not

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worried about that. So you know, Kat not a good defender,
so just let him do what you do your defenders,
is O G. Josh Hart, Mitchell Robinson, because at the
end of the day, Brent said, ain't the best defender
either the best defender.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
No, but I feel like hard and I know, so
forget that. This goes back to my original point. What
did Rick carl Out and Dwayne Casey do with Dirk?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
What do you mean what they did? He protected exactly
Sean may Brandon.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
They put a perfect scheme around the defensively, right, I'm
going back to the question, going back to coaching.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
It's Tims the right guy, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Because he can do that.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I can't answer that.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
I felt like I felt like I felt like that
was getting killed. And like you guys said, some guys
just aren't good at defense. I understand that's part of basketball.
I don't know if he was putting the right scheme.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Michell Robinson in soon and.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I'm gonna say this too, I don't you know, Sims
is not a good end game adjustment guy.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
He's on a good but he made adjustments, clearly made
it in this.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Series, not in game to where in game that win started. Ut, yeah,
that wins. The best coaches are the ones who can
do that. It does like I think, who is it?
Tyler said it? I think maybe you guys, one of
you guys said it. And the chats like you know,
when you're at this levels like coaches the small minor
as well, when you win you these championships, it's not
really up to talent at this point because there's so

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much talent on both teams. Even at this point. At
this like disciple the playoffs, MOS, teams are going to
be more evenly matched.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
You got to you gotta find the mismassage. And I
felt like what what Rick Carlot did. What I saw
just me as a player and me as a coach.
He really had to put the lineups with with topping Siakam.
He had all these guys in at the same time,
and these guys are tall, so he got big guards

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out there. So sometimes there was problems on throwing the
ball to them in the post and getting easy layups,
getting extra possessions on rebounds. That stuff hurts. That stuff
wins games, getting extra possessions, getting you know, officer rebounds,
kicking it out for three That hurts. That's a backbreaker,
you know, getting that extra position when you really need
to stop.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
So, like, I feel like Rick did those things to
having advantage in certain situations, and that just comes down
to coaching, bro. That's to come down to, like, like
you say, in game adjustments, and.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
I will agree with I'm agree with you.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
I don't think Tims has the in game adjustments. He
doesn't do it.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
You know how people talk about like a floor riser,
like someone that can take it good to great. I
think he can take bad teams to make them really good.
I think that's his specialty. I don't know if he
can take teams to make them good.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
To great because that's one of.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
My that's fair, that's that's a detail, because that's hard.
That's harder to do. Going from good to great is
just a different elevation. Like you could take a even
in the business world, you can take someone bad that's
not good at their job, teach them competent skills and
get the more they need to get to. But taking
them to that one percent elite is such a different level.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
And I'm gonna make this comparison. I think that's where
a guy like and he's still young in the coaching game,
but I think a Missoula comes in where you can
have someone like TIBs and like someone who's a very
detail oriented guy like Missoula to make those minor adjustments
to make.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
And I'm just saying, and you know what a great
comic in Boston, And I don't know anything about the
locker room, but like Brad Stevens, great coach. But what
happened as soon as they switch the voice in the
locker room started winning. DOCA brought them to the finals
and Joe.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Wan Oklahoma, I mean Oklahoma, Golden State.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's like, you can have really good coaches, but there's
these minor details that someone else can see and have
a different voice about.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
So before we get off the Knicks, ask you guys,
onis aside, because is a big splash, what do you
guys want to see the Knicks do if they keep
relatively the same roster, What do you guys think the
next moves are.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
I think they definitely got to answer the question on
the depth. They gotta ask the bench players.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
And what positions point guard? You don't like? Deuce is
he a point guard.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Mm hmm, he I mean today's point guard.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
He is.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
I gotta add an extra big man coming off that bench. Yeah,
a defender. Maybe put some defenders around.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
I think that team I think they got. I think
they have enough. I think you have to trust your bitch.
I think, yeah, you know, add another big guy that
you can rely. But I think what really needs to
change is their offense.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
The flow.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Their offense needs to be more. They need to have
more movement instead of being so much so much ice
of basketball and one or two guys making the plays
like ball needs to be moved more.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
That's my opinion. I don't really think personnel really matters
that much because look how far they made it, so
obviously they got the players there to do it. It's
just all about changing some things up far as offensively
and then obviously defensively when you play against certain teams,
just changing up schemes and being able to hire certain people.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Period.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Go to State, did it forever? Go to State? Did it?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Just be honest?

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Like Steph wasn't the great the greatest defender, but they
hit his ass.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
They did their job, you know what I'm saying, Because
they know they needed him the.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Years though, of course, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I don't think anybody. I don't think what do you
call stuff? A liability? On defense, he's very he's very
like just a neutral like he's not that he's mean today.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
No, no, I'm talking about today. He's very No.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
No, yeah, like you said, he's gotten better as a defendant.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
So like, we gotta get cat there. Cat has to
get there because it's an effort thing.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
So I think he's trying Cam.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I'm just saying more like we need That's all I'm saying.
Do you all want to see it?

Speaker 6 (54:30):
You're talking about his dr But you know.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
I'm not good at d R gonna be good at
some of the best teams of all time around the
triangle offense.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Why don't we see that anymore?

Speaker 5 (54:45):
The triangle had had his moment R right, Triangle, I
wanted the triangle to have. I can tell you why,
because we don't have your your typical big man anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Right.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Typically, you need a big man in order, and that's
not many.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
You need two great players.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
You can run a tangle with with three guards with Yes, you.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Can maybe something with him and you and you get
you one more like dominant player, because you got to
think about it.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
When the triangle worked, it worked with they worked with
m J.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Scotty, those two guys, and then you have bigs that
you can throw in there that knew their role and
knew how to play. You go to the Lakers, you
got Shocking Kassol, he had Shock, but Shack and play
up on the Shack players did. But you had Shack,
but you had Kobe. So you know what I'm saying.
You come on about those two, and that's what the

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first time the Bulls did.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
What They didn't have a great big man in the triangle, No.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
They didn't, but they had big man that knew their role,
they knew how to play.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
They had smart players.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Did.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Lonely did his job. You know, Bill cart Right did
his job.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
So why can't this work with Brunting and Cat?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Because I'm gonna be real with you.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
I love Cat to death, but like no, I'm just saying,
I love I love Cat Deaf, but Cat makes silly
decisions sometimes and being in that position your i Q
and you have to be smart like some of the
files that Cat made sometimes, and come on, we need

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you in the game. Like some of those files. I'm like,
why why did you even do that? You got three
already and you got four. He was balling like, he
just kept doing this, He kept hooking people arms, and
it was obvious Nicko office and file on him, and
you already got three foules. So it's like just things

(56:45):
like that. One thing about Phil Phil Jackson's offense. You
gotta be smart. You gotta be smart to run that
tagle bro and if you if you not, if you
just off wrong talent and it's gonna work.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Did it work?

Speaker 4 (57:00):
It was Dwight? How did Dwaite Howard play there?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah? He did? Okay, I would believe. What's the coach? Then?
I don't think Phil was a coach.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Shout out the text Winters. He's the real genius behind
that text winters. He's a real gens behind the trying offense.
Heard that name a lot mmhmm. But he that's all
we had on New York. Let's get to the finals,
matchup the real boom.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
You're gonna be at the game. We're gonna see your
course side or what you might see me, you know,
I mean, okay, your favorites, Okay, he don't.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
If you pull up with him, they don't funk with him.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Yeah, going with me there, you brought Charlie Hill like us.
I'm believing now.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Okay, see, man, you believe he said his apology, You
had your tour.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Yeah, them boys real Dale Man to me, I have
one of the best teams ever in the last years.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I mean, he said, as long as say one of
the best, one of them is fair in the one
of the bestess that's fair. As long as they win,
they gotta they gotta win that. But and they are.
They are very, very very favorite, heavy favorites. Do we
agree with them being heavy favorites like this? The numbers?

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Yeah, I also think people are counting out Indiana. I
also think I mean during the regular season, Oklahoma blit
some boys.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I think it's three one or two one one.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
No, they only played twice to Okay, I mean they
never You didn't hear my stat earlier. The only team
to beat them on the Eastern Conference was Yea the
whole season of thirty games.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
You're right, that was last year. Verifying. No, I'm just
I'm just trying to look at something.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Go ahead, I'm just looking I'm just looking at.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I said, you're right, Damn, continue on my fault. My
fault for disrupting the flow, my fault.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, man, I mean I will say this though, if
Indiana was to win, they would probably win by committee.
Am all right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Like I said, they're the They're the two thousand and
four Pistons in twenty twenty five, like the offensive version,
like twenty more offensive game by committee, Chauncey's tyres, Like,
I see so many similarities with that team, just how
they got done by committee. Anybody can beat you on it,
and given night, whether it's riped sheet, Shawn beat you sometimes.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Yeah, as well said, wasn't RC on that team?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
No?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
ARC was with Indiana at that time?

Speaker 5 (59:39):
I no, No, But wasn't he Like, oh no, he
was Indiana.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
He was with the j O team. I'm thinking that's crazy.
His name is O'Neill is crazy? Yeah? Can we talk
about that quickly?

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Does right?

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Does he deserves to have his jersey retired in Indiana?

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Bro, because I don't know if you all saw a clip,
he's like like the Pacers basically like this owned him
and I feel really bad for him because he well.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
I mean, I'm glad you brought this up because I
was just talking to my pops about this last night.
What's what's so upsetting about the NBA sometimes is when
something gets put out about us as athletes, and everybody
talks about you, everybody talks bad about you, everybody to
create these narratives about you. All this stuff is said

(01:00:28):
about you, like all this scrutiny happens, and then boom,
when the truth comes out and you're exonerated for all
these things, nobody comes to your your rest, nobody comes
to your defense, and like I told you all this,
this is like everything gets quiet now, but when it

(01:00:48):
was on, the heat was on me. Everybody's talking about ESPN,
CNN and everybody, all these tabloids wants to talk about you.
But then once you're clear weird, it's quiet, nobody want
to speak on it again. And I don't think that's fair.
And I think he spoke about that how nobody protected
them during that time of that fight. So it was like,

(01:01:12):
and he won federal court, he would he said, the
judge said, you did what you were supposed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
To do, exactly what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
So it doesn't fit with the narrative though, Yeah, but
that's not fair because it's not fair as athletes you're
supposed to protect us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
We're working for your organization.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
Your organization, like you got these security people around these
courts and all these other extra securities that y'all hire
to make sure we are safe. So all these fans
is on the court and you're looking at one of
your teammates down there, and you see four fans on
top of him. He said, he ran over there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
The dude turned and he said, boom, he hit him.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
The league is going to protect the league. That's crazy, right,
even though he won in federal court.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
The right thing we're talking about today in twenty five,
twenty years later, but.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
I know that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
But at the end of the day, like Indiana, the
right thing they should have done, the League should have
done is after whatever the federal court, whatever it is,
you got to look out for him, right, But they
penalized them, thank you, right, and they look.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Money for away.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
He took money from money away from it because he
doesn't fit. Well.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
What it looks like perception, perception looks all you see
is Jo swinging.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
On somebody that looks terrible, right, So.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
What it looks like the league saying, ah, you're good
to play, here's your money. But it will get the
league will get bashed. So the league is always going
to protect the league.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Bro all the sponsorships, all the sponsors, the league will
always protect the league.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
I'll say this about the situation too, right, Like that's crazy.
How are you supposed to react when nobody's protecting you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
And then you know, Jail made a great point. He
didn't have to do all the community stuff he does
for Indiana. He treated Indiana like it was his own home,
like it was South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
You have to do all that, he said.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
He listen, man, for somebody to say, for us to
say as as as guys who love basketball since we
was kids, for us for him to come out of
his mouth and say he didn't love the play.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
He hated the game.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
He hated the game after that, he said, I'm talking
about And he played a few years more after that
and he said he didn't love it no more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
He didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
So you take the love out of something from people
because you just feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
You're you're not appreciated. That's how they made him feel.
Because you realize the politics.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
You realize they really don't give up about you. That's
how you feel.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
I don't care about you when you're on top.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
That's the reality of it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
But that's why I encourage your use the league as
much as they use you. At the end of the day,
your window of opportunity is very small. You're going to
be in the league for X amount of years. Maximize
as much as you can use them because they're using
your ass.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Feel shout out to jail Man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
That's interesting, man. So yeah, we'll get back to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Man, what do we got camp?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
So going with what I was saying, who is the
last they are? They are the Pistons, the last team
that won by committee? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
No, who then who you got the last team that went?
They can't say committee because I was going to say.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Dallas, but Dallas, Derek was there was like kind of committee.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
No, But like, I don't think the the Pistons truly
got it done by They still had one point, like
I need a bucket, Let's go give it to Disco Dirk.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Like, hold on, now, hold on, now, Detroit have four
All stars?

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
That was that was after for what wasn't that that
year they had four All Stars? I was a little
to remember the full all right, then maybe it wasn't them.
Maybe this might be the first.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Team because Troy had four All Stars.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Now they have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
But I'm saying you can have one All Star and
it still would.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Be then it's the Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah, because you can have one All Star.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
No, Bro, Ben Wallas is the only one that made
the All Star team that year.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
What in two thousand and four?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah, bro, right, now, so they made it the nixt year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yeah, got the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
McGrady v c j O, Ben Wallace bea d J Kid,
Michael Red, Paul Pierce, Ron, Ron Kenyon, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Jam Wallace was the only only Al Star name.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
So the next year is when they made it after
they won.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
The first championship, because they gave them new credit after
they want a championship, you know how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
The politics next politics again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
So next year they had Ben. No, they only had
one on each side too, Bro, what I think it
was two thousand and six or something like that, So
they didn't give them pros after they won two in
a row.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Negative, that's crazy because I do remember all four of
them making that was one year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
You're right, that was one at the same time. Yeah,
it might have.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Been, yes, yes, you're right, it was two thousand and six,
Chauncey ripped, Rashid and Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Were all yeah, and that was after they won two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Years after, two years after. But yeah, but so I
guess the pissons. I mean, but let's actually look at it.
There was no superstar. I don't know who to use
the term superstar. There was no main option that you know,
he's getting the ball every time you can.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Say superstar because I don't think there wasn't no superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Ray debated that Chauncey is a superstar. So I don't
want to get into that debate. So superstar, We're not
going to get into that bank.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
But but we will say, are they the first are
they going to be the first team that could potentially
win that they didn't have a clear number one option.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
I think it's the easy way to put it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so, yeah, yeah, you put
it that way because even though because Theresa was the
only all star on that team, right, was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
He throwing Tyree wasn't all star?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
He was what I'm saying, but was a star? Or
was he? Did he not make.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
It all star thing?

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Still making this year?

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Did? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
I think they both made it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Oh okay, but actually No, No, made it Tyree and
didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
He didn't make it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
He was a reserve, but on this roster it was
he didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Make it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
So yeah, one off, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
But you know, I don't think anybody here would say
Pascal is the number one. You might say Tyree number
when you might say Pascal is the number one. I
said to make this Pascal.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Who do you think it is on Indiana option?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Yeah? Do you think the team?

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I think it's Haliburt because he has the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I go at the end of the game, who they
get a ball through? Callerburton was open. No, No, Haliburton
lash every time. What you're talking about. We just saw
the series.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Hallur hfore he hit every game, win of the he has.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Eleven of twelve games. But I think hold up up.
When they needed buckets with two minutes left for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Ball was going to Pascal.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
So yeah, Heliburton was going to Pascal as well Haliburt.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
But mostly like it was running, it was. I would
say this, Look, it was Halliburn's decision. It was Hallib's decision.
I would say this, it was Halliburn's decision. If he
was incorporated, if he wanted the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Ball and don't get open. I'm gonna because I'm a
point guard. But this ball is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
So this aside? Right, that aside? What original question? Is
this the first thing to do committee since the Pistons.
You could argue the Mavericks, but they had Dirk. You
could argue the Warriors, but they had stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Although a lot of the teams it's the same thing
as a Dirk Championship, where there's a number one, but
there's a bunch of players contributing on any given night.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Sometimes play, sometimes it's pool. You know, you can go
with Yo Kitsch and then everybody else tribute. But I
don't think there's been a team like this since two
thousand and four.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
It hasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Yeah, I can Yeah, I can see it because the
comparison you made to Detroit was really good. So yeah,
I can go with that. They will be I think so,
which again with it further question, would that make the
super team thing be like irrelevant? Now be super teams?

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Three super teams?

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Because I don't I think you could.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Afford it for too long.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
That's the problem, because would you consider time, would you
consider okay, see a super team at all?

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
No, because they were doing they were they were.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Formed the right way, they forget forget if they're formed
the right way, are they a super team?

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
They got two All Stars and they got a bunch
of really good role players. Yeah, and let's chat evolves
into be a third like.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
I think he will, but not right now, He's no,
definitely not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, I think I think that Indiana, honestly,
either one of these teams winning would change how teams
probably make up their teams and how they go about
like building teams together. Bacially, if Indiana wins, it's gonna
get the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Only super team in the NBA is not a good team.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
It was the Phoenix Suttons.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yuh, would you consider Boston where No, Boston's are two
All Stars and a really good bunch of collection of players.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
But you know, but Phoenix is the only team with
three guys that you can look at and say they
can all go get me twenty five already on any
given night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
That's just dead.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Yeah, that's over it. That ship don't work no more.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
All right, Well, next, what does each one of these
teams need to do to win a championship?

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Starting with Indiana.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
Indiana needs to make some adjustments from the jump. They're
gonna have to make some adjustments. It's how they respond
to when they get punched in the mouth because they're
gonna get punch in the mouth. We all know that
Indianna's gonna get ban Some boys gotta be ready and

(01:10:36):
how they're going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Coach I think RC is obviously the world more experienced coach.
He will make the correct adjustments. But I mean, I
don't know, man. I think this is a year for Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
They just have better talent on both sides of the
of the court. They just playing phenomenally.

Speaker 9 (01:11:00):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
But I also think Indiana's gonna give them a little
run for their money too. At the same time, it's
not gonna be cakewalk, kind of like what they did
to me. So it's gonna be akek. You think it's
gonna be a cake give me like twenty twenty three.
I don't think it's gonna be like versus Miami. It's
gonna be a cakewalk. That's the way I look at
the series.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
I mean, you did put money on their home, so
I respect it. I respect your opinion, but it's gonna
be I got okay, see winning obviously. Yeah, okay See's winning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
But what I say, I don't think it does Indiana
have to do this Like in a perfect wa would
they need to be doing to win?

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
They can't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Now they just have to be and you guys think
that Miami was actually be Denver.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
They have to be who they are to win, Like
they're gonna have to make shots. They're gonna have to
defend at a high level. And and that's that's you know, Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Hit the nail the head.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
They have to shoot fifty or seven from three. They
believe they're.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
Gonna have to play almost perfect every game to be
okay see, And that's why I say it's gonna be
hard to beat them, because they have to be damn
near perfect for seven games.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
And we ain't even talking about how okay See, his
home crowd is rocking.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
They're not losing at home. So how is Indiana going
to feel going down to Oh but let.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Joker had a historical performance to be take them down
in the game too, right, Sure did.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
That's what it's gonna take.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
But Indiana hasn't lost a back to back games since March.
That's number one, number two in every series. That they
were the the away team they beat. They won too
in a row.

Speaker 6 (01:12:35):
That's why I said, what they do, how they're going
to feel when they go down to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Milwaukee, they go down, they're going out to you think
I don't think they lose to hold up?

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Are you comparing those teams to the Okay See Thunder.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
I'm saying. I'm saying that they're gonna split in Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
They're gonna split in Oklahoma. Oh, he looked like he
want a bat? Is that a bad about?

Speaker 10 (01:12:59):
How?

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
First? What's that? What's the bet to be? I get
on specific? What is the bet?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I need both one hundred?

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
I think they spread.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
He think they're gonna want to win. I say they're
going I think they spread the first game to Ears.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
We agree to the confusion.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
When I come in here, you know is gonna keep
doing what?

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
They haven't lost back to back games since March, and
I'm gonna stick to that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I got you.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
But that's why that's what I said. What how they're
gonna feel going down to Oh then it's never happened
to him. So I feel like the back is gonna
be against the wall and they're gonna crumble.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
They haven't run into Okay, see two games in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
I don't know why I did this already.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
You shook on it. It's all no problem losing, losing hunts.
He got it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
He got it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
That's right off to the ball you got you see
that little business experience I got.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
I need your business.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
I need your business, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
So back to back to what what Ray was saying.
The only way they win is if they shoot forty
plus from three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
That they have to do that. But you know there's
probably a game.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
That's why, I mean, Indiana, get defend down to now
they can defend.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
They who have they defended against?

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
I just know when it was time to defend and
when it came to crunch time and against the Knicks,
they locked up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
But what what did Race say earlier in the show?

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
They're easy to that that they the Nick Smith being
all physical that ain't working with and it ain't working with.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
New York easy to defend, right or wrong. Jalen's gonna
stop the ball, like you said. I'm sorry to say,
but Don would do some stuff similar like this is
just a different team they haven't really facing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
This is a different bro.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Anybody in Okay, So he can get you buckets.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Like like the Pacers, they moved the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
They moved.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
They're just a.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Different played the same way. They almost played the same.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
But okay, see's bigger, Okay, see bigger and better, bigger, better, stronger,
whatever you want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
All Right, it's gonna be a series five.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
I still think they splayed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
It's not gonna it's gonna be six. It's gonna be five.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
That's a series. Six is a series six is five
and five is not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
A serious I just think r C bro r C,
he'll he'll figure out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
What about your fellow yukonna alone there gonna figure I
mean they're gonna win. We're not saying we're not saying
Indiana gonna win. You know he said he are gonna
figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
I think she will figure it out where it's not
a sweet boy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
If RC goes to six games, we're gonna have dres
insulting Doris and r J right now. Couldn't if RC
even takes this. So we talked on the last show,
how we went from Mark Jackson and Jeff to Doris
and r J. We gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
Doris broke at least four.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Games, cam calls is stepped on product product, the product
is step throwing. Hey we said it before, but I'm
excited for NBC to come back.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
M J on the on the count, yeah said coming
back to the end of Lebron's career, he's there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Hate watch you trying to still controversy, saying here for
just throwing it out, getting the getting to the bottle
of a sudden.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Now he wants to be back on n b C.
When Lebron's was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Out, you know, the comments were in the chat and
the think about hilarious, Like that's how we know the
recessions here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Needs to get a job. I was like, that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
Trust, that's what man. They don't need a job. Job
job one man who who betting a lot? That's what
we'll be Hut. You know he'd be betting a lot though,
you do. But he he lose all that, he lose Billy,
he got a couple of Billy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
No, that's cool. But again on the other end, so
what is okay, So he needs to do to himself,
do what you've been doing all year round.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Don't stop anything.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
To show up showing no, no, we're all due respect
with okay. See okay, Se have to keep that same hunger.
Don't look at Indiana. Oh we don't beat them twice
doing the regular season, don't we about to run through them?
Don't do that because Indiana's not the team to mess
around with.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
True.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
So if okay, Se do continue to do what they've
been doing all year round, they'll be fine. They'll win
the series. But don't overlook Indiana patients.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Basically, don't don't get too comfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Don't get too comfort.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
But I'm that's what I'm saying. If they do what
they did in the last series, they'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Yeah, the bliss like that on the side.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Note, Car asked Shelton. The car is always what you're getting, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
The whip, the videos, dropping the videos.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Wait for the Instagram, Yeah, wait for the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Yeah it's ready, it's ready.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
He got the whip. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about hold
on right here right, No, no, no, have you been
locked in the socials?

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
You bet la, I bet the white shout out to
the white.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
That's what the common whoever one got a new wife,
she brought your whip.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Yeah yeah, I mean I know I did right, and
I'm gonna collect too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I know. That's right, I know where she lives. You're
gonna send your people to the people off to for
you to leave the house. I gonna go to grocery story.
So the videos dropping, matter of fact, videos dropping them all,
video dropping my d streets waiting on that, y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
If y'all miss on Charlie Socials, we were about to
post it on the Okay, show me, we'll show some
love on the show too, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Okay, I'm gonna make a segment just for that. Okay,
and you you got a car courtesy of a little bet, Yeah,
I sure did.

Speaker 9 (01:19:04):
We always got to recap about I'm excited. I'm excited
to see what I'm thinking about churning out bet put
the I want none of that smoke, Yeah, because that's
that's not that's not a favorable bet.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Yeah. He already thinks he lost the bet. Broes. I'm saying,
I don't know why you bet if you thought you lost.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
It, because I'm stubborn like that sometimes man generally like
the you know me, sometimes I'm a risk taker.

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
You don't scare money, don't make no money. Can you
hurt you? You feel me? Jo?

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
I gotta throw a little throw a little bet I
read a little soft honey, ain't gonna hurt name.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
I'm definitely gonna lose.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
But boy, for fight. Never know, you missed one hundred
percent of the shot. You don't take caim risky, I'm
taking the shot. See what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Look look I might throw
her away too. I won't. But anyways, first time both
teams in the finals didn't play on Christmas Day since
two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
And hold on, how did okay see not making it
in the Christmas Day?

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Which is crazy? They were the best team in the
last year or second team they were on Christmas Day
when KD was there. That's bigger name at the time,
at the time, at the time, is a big name
bro at the time. But that's just to show you
what the league at that time. Remember Katie was then
m P already the business. Look look, look, look, I
know the league is a business.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Pakay do you want to see do you want to
see Shad?

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Who?

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Hold of?

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Hold hold up?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Were talking about okayc not even making one game. We're
not talking about one for one. There's fucking five games.
They were the best team in the league. Last year
second best.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
You know they won the most games last year, didn't
they Boston? Okay, they were the second most games, one
of the most games last year. Boston was a dominants.
I thought Boston dominated last year.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
But that just to show you what the league things
of OKC. No't matter what the numbers, are they doing great,
playing phenomenal basketball. At the end of the day on
Christmas Day, do you want to see Shade or do
you want to see kat.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
And I'm not saying again they had they had Joel
em beat on here, they had Wemby that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
The nixty you'll pay the National Star.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
But they have the Mavericks, Luca, yeah, six yuess, you
put the sixers over. Okay, see barely. I'm gonna say
this though. I'm gonna say this though. Remember Katie had
m v P already. Shah, you beat too. Right now,
they'll be in Christmas next year.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
They'll be on Christmas next ready the rest of longer
now they'll be Christmam saying.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Indiana make it to the Christmas because I guess the
finals rematch they won't make it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Yeah, they'll they'll make it. They probably shouldn't be, but
it's Indiana will be there, unfortunately when I unfortunately like Indiana.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
The Knicks will be there, Lakers will be there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Golden State, No, by the way, probably gonna be there.
By the way, he did not have m v P
when they made it in twenty eleven. Okay, see thunder
on the Christmas game he had. He didn't get an
m v P and the finals yet. So just so
you know, because Katie is that electric.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Not mad at that he got Russ. That's when Russ
was on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
They also played in twenty ten on christ like that Russ.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
I guess ASO. Also, look, Kate, Katie had a memory.
He was a rookie that year. Katie had a memories
who he was already. No, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
I'm just saying Shay is also ship. I'm not taking
away from it all. Hey, but this is like the
one and I have this argument with Toronto people all
the time. It's like it's a business. Why the hell
would they put on national television.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
Yeah, we don't want to Canadian bro like Canadian Canada, America, America.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
The viewership is going to be from Canada. Who the
hell cares?

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
They only care about American viewership. So yeah, what I'm saying. Anyways,
we moved out the next topic. Next topic, yeah yeah,
funny ship. All right, let's get into some free agency.
I was cool with it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Anyone playoff basketballfore we move forward again. Anyone everybody's predictions
for the series.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Do that quick? I got I got four to one? Okay,
four two? Okay? See four two? Okay? See shoot? All right,
everybody got okay? See I want Indiana.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
I really wanted. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Serious numbers. I already bet you on that. We have
the serious We already got a bet on it. Yeah,
I said, you got my five best right now? He
got he got five best if it if.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
It's if it's five or less, ray, I get a hondo.
If it's more than five, you get a hondo. That
was a bet from time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
That's on wax.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Yeah, we're following all your bets. We got it on that.
I'm asking understands.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
I'm not gonna lie, but I really I want Indiana.
Got you got to go to Okay, I want Indiana
to win.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Bro to keep it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Hold up, hold up the car. You got four two pacers, Bro.
You have to let us know why you think papers
two pages but I want that to happen, but it won't.
I'll be fire paces Win is gonna be this guy
gonna be in Indiana.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Too tall, Indiana, you're gonna travel.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
I'm gonna need Indiana make me a scout because I
definitely call it that guy, all right, but I just
don't see him. So four two four two four two
four one yeah yeah, all right. Next thing, free agency?
Free agency boys. So let's what we're gonna do. I'm
gonna name some names and then we're going to see

(01:24:17):
who's the best fit for these free agents and how
much money do you think they will command in this market?
You got it good? Starting off? We got nas read.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Yep, yep, Houston twenty two years, twenty five ye.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
I like it's about twenty to twenty five mil.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
I want to go to Houston, spread the floor with
a man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
I like it, some space to work.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
He definitely shouldn't go back to Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
I actually still like him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Minnesota. They just kind of for I like him, but
they got they gotta either keep Ju and the Kiel,
which we're gonna get.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Not that they can. It's just he's always gonna be
that dude coming off the bench.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
So I like him in Houston. That's what he got,
the flourished and he helps singing and a man like like.
I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
You said, okay, I said, okay, k GM. Huh hong,
Yeah you might. You might have to look at you
being a GM somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
No, definitely not mid mid lunch, because they did take
some crazy ship. That's you would that's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Crazy, that's crazy. What who you y'all got any destinations
for nons?

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I got I got one.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
I know you, la, I don't have no destination. Lakers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
They need a big. They do need a big spread
the floor a little bit, but it's not your the
big that they really need.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Yeah, they don't need to spread the floor. I need
somebody who.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
I have.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
I have a poor man's version of a D.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
A poor man's versions of a D can't sit down.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Hey, Yo, come on, bro, that was called for.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
That was.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
All right, yo, all right, bro, defense defense, It's not
even a comparison.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
I got to I got to you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
I think the Rockets is a good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
I think Rockets might be the best. I have two
other teams that could work. I think the Rocket might
be the best. Phoenix at that I was gonna say Phoenix.
I don't mind him on Phoenix, but he can flourish
the Phoenix. I go your second team. No one's thinking
about it, but I think maybe even Atlanta. I was
thinking that I was Atlanta. I swear to you. I
think Atlanta. I like him with Tray it makes it fun.

(01:26:37):
With Trey, I think he can be almost bag him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Jaylen Johnson and Trey would be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Team to watch. Atlanta is not sexy, Bro. It doesn't
have to be sexy winning games. Bro. With my winning game,
if I'm a GMO winning game, I'll have to be
sex if you putting on the wing for you. I
don't think Cleveland's sexy. Cleveland set better than what they
did now. Yes, I think they would better. They won't
be a playing team. They will be a playoff team.

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
They'll be a player in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
There'll be a playoff out play out. Next name.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Let's go to the next name.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
That's funny, all right, Tadd Jerome. That's a good one
because his his value right now is little. We didn't
do the price, but it's fine. We didn't do like
how much money? He did say the price.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Though, I give tie like fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
He said twenty two years, twenty football. That's that's what
I say.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Around twelve to fifteen, twelve to fifteen he had a
bad playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
He would have got twenty if he played. I heard him,
if he would have had twenty. Around twelve or fifteen,
he would have had twenty easy. I think he the
most he can command like a team, A bad team
will give him seventeen. He going to twelve to fifteen
to Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
I'm calling it right now, nasty. I didn't say it
was I didn't say he go to sex. He fits
the person now though, yeah, saying like he might go
to because it's a person now, they'll give him the
most money.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
They might give it. They might give him seventeen.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
You need to go to DC.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Anybody can. Charlotte, No, Charlie don't need him. I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
Him the most money, and it's gonna probably be a
bad team.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
I would collect so just because they gotta they can't
keep three of the same players on.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Color got money. Orlando.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
I don't like him. I don't like why people shoot offense.
I will say that with Jamal in terms of defensive
I will say this though the point guard, though.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
I think so they need a puer point guard and
you put you, you're still keeping them in the peer
point guard coming off the bench roll, right, No, I
think he's.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
A starter if you're paying him that much money. To me,
the reason why a bad team. That's what I'm saying.
That's why I'm giving him a utah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
I mean he's gonna be a fringe starter slash six
man like he's gonna be on that roll. That's what
I see.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
He's your starter on every defense.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Is can put him on the pay Why would I
give him fifteen million dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
His value is gonna between twelve to fifty to twenty.
If a team really wants to sign him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Yeah, I think I think a bad team will give
him seventeen. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I don't think so either. I think he don't want
a bad team and be a starter.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
That's what I think. He could be a six man
on a pretty good team. I think what he gives
is good. He's just you can't cleve with Cleveland. You
can't have three the same players on the team. They
have two other players. We just like him. No, I
like him on a bad team. I like him a
bad team too. I think I personally think he goes
to you know who.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
He reminds me of Grievous Vasquez.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Wow, that's a fucking name. That's a name name Leaves.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Vacs was a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Dog, He was a dog.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
But Jernes a dog too, just.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Not a dog. But their games are very similar. Would
you say the games are not similar?

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
No, no, Vacuum will talk ship.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
I'm talking about the actual game, not the attitudes. He's
both bigger guards can shoot it, bo can pass it.
Like I'm just saying, like the games kind of remind
me of each.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Other a little bit. Okay, you you didn't play Grievous, right?
I played against him? Yeah? I did. He was with
what team was Venezuelan team? Yeah? And uh phoeb I
think so yea by all right? Next name? All right?
I like this name a lot. Quinn Grimes stay in Philly. Yeah,

(01:30:33):
they put you didn't have the money though to give?
Because he can get some money, you can get a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
He can.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
He can be resigned.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Coming off the bench he can't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
So I think he could.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Between he goet Aarony smith Field round eleven to put
in the.

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
Role where he you know, he had a score. He
got his showcases talent, but he ain't ain't about to
give him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
You think he stays in Philly, bad will A bad
team will think.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
So because most bad teams are trying to go young.

Speaker 6 (01:31:05):
He's he's young. He's young, but he's been in lead
for a minute. Maybe because he was in New York
bro for a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
He was in Dallas. Four This is for you, This
is for you. I'm pretty sure, is it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
He started in twenty one, so he's he's a free
agent this year. Four years, four years, Yeah, yep, I listen,
he's between eight to fifteen, depending on what his bidding prices.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Eight is I think he leaves.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
I mean I would take it if I'm quitting, I
would take eight to go to the Golden State, Yeah,
and showcase my talent.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
More like he's anywhere between that. I think. I think
a fit.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
I think, well, you got to be a Steph Curry
guy kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
I think he's that type of guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
I think he played with that system. I mean, same
thing with same thing with Dante. Dante took a big
pay cut and then look what happened after he left
Golden State. He signed a big deal with New York.
It's kind of the same case. Yeah, I liked I
like it. I think I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
I think he should stay in Philly, getting another year
with the guys being healthy. Yeah, cool, sign a one
year deal.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
I don't think the one. I think to you, guys
take security because he shooters around embiid.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
You know, does beat even suit up this year? Spacing
is who shoot up embid? He had a he had
a microscopic and he's ur bro.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
They're saying he might he might be out for a
lot of this year. From what I last remember, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Is time.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
If that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Do you think so?

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
I don't think you can do anything else, though. I
think you gotta give him at least one year and
see what he looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
We say that every year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
No, I'm talking about so let me rephrase that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
I don't think you'll get anything for Joelle because he's injured, right,
I don't think you can get some he's injured.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
I don't think he's going to give a lot of
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
If he's hurt. So it's like I don't think you
can get a lot of assets for him, So you
might as well just see what it looks like in
sixteen months, right, and give it a try and see
what it looks like, right, and just some for for parts.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
Boy, just wait until he gets healthy and then get.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Rid of him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Yeah, but then if he looks good, you're running it
back and seeing what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
That's my whole point.

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
That's I think process is over.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Yeah, I think you sell them with the values hockey.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
You can't use that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Word no more. He can't even use get rid of them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Speaking of these, Peter put a clip of Kawhi.

Speaker 10 (01:33:26):
When the injury stuff came down. How they didn't fight
for him in public like Tony had. Tony had an
injury and Tony was out a long time. Kauh I
never said nothing. It was question about was out and
Tony was like, well I had the same injury and
I came back questioning if he really hurt on national TV.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
That push him right out the door.

Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
But that what do y'all think about that? First first thoughts?
First thoughts, I mean he did want out. He made
it very clear at that time that he wanted out. So,
but do you think why don't like that type? So
something it's just like you just want to up and

(01:34:10):
leave for no reason.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
Yeah, something had to be some pissed him off where
he's like, all right, forget that, I don't want to
be So do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
You think do you think that it would have like say,
put yourself in that perspective, right, if you're really hurt,
like you really hurt and someone is like with the
same injuries, like questioning your like, how would that make
you feel as a teammate like this?

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
And I would put Tony Parker and told him I
am hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Let's put a perspective to Tony's probably his fat like
he came in the league with him too, true, this
is like you gave me this early qu this is
uh like play with like five six seasons there, so
it's still early kauhah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Yeah, put them Pauls.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Remember because Tony Tony was going on like a year
two after that. Don't put the on to Charlotte. And
it's tough to as a young player to do that
to a VAT that's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
And and in public you remember, remember they put it
was the finals MVP on this team though, so let's
let's actually put in perspect what do you how would
you guys feel your vat Let's say Jalen Rose called
you out in public, be heard you probably what the I.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Would have said my two piece because I don't gotten
into it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Because it's not like it's not like you just some
like This is Kawhi Leonard who won the finals v
P against the Lebron James. This is not like just
some some guy on your team, like just some young guy.
This is Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Tony Parker. Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Like I'm saying, they both should command respect. Both guys
deserve respect.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
He's an All star, said at this time, one of
the best point guards in the league. You're gonna win
team winning organization.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
So but you know, correct me if I'm too This
is later Tony Parker work the next year he was
in Charlotte.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
I just wasn't never a fan of teammates calling each
other out to the media. If he got a problem
with some public like me at the locker room, called me,
hit me out, go out of dinner.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
Let's figure this ship out. Why why do you got
to put that out onto me?

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
We didn't have the conversation man. Man, Yeah, and I
think it's interesting, especially with how we know spurs culture
to be that that's how it went down there, because
you know, I would Pop brothers are pretty nice ship,
you know what I'm saying. That's why I was like that,
that's kind of a surprising thing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
It shall depart, Man, the more serious that stories I
hear about Pop After's retirement class act.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Yeah, class that's I think. I thought this was a
very surprising report, Like, that's how it went down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
Kevin Lucas asked to bring Charlie. How do y'all feel
about teams misdiagnosing players, because that happens quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
I got mixed, I got misdiagnosed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
I can share. That's a good question. My Milwaukee, I
just got to trade it to Milwaukee. My second year,
I was sick by the way, Toronto did me dirty.
Toronto did me dirty. I was sick, but I made
the most out of my Milwaukee situation. I ended up
really loving I stayed there. But anyways, my first year there,

(01:37:15):
I tore my laborom and I remember my right shoulder
and I remember like my shoulders not right. And I
saw the team doctor. They evaluated me. They never told
me I had a tear. They said, oh, they just
you know, give an injection, you know, give your quarters
on shot, and you know, with some treatment rehab, you

(01:37:36):
should be fine. I'm like, bro, there's something wrong. So
I kept playing with this, this my shooting shooting on
and like, let me go get a second opinion about that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
Sounds wrong. Come to find out I had a complete
tear of my shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
And you can.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
And I mean, I had surgery in March. So I've
been playing and if I think it happens sometime like
in December. So I was playing and I was getting shots.
I got it multiple times. I got some quarters on shots,
but you know, the shots way off after a while.
So and then I go get a second opinion and

(01:38:18):
complete It's like are you serious that? The doctor was
like are you for real? Like they had a complete
tear and he shows me whether a ear is He's like, bro,
you have a complete tear. They let you play with this,
and that's when I shut it down, you know, and
I you know, I got the proof, Like wow, how
can you guys tell me? Like I got into it
with the like how can you guys tell me to

(01:38:39):
keep playing. I got a complete tear and yall guys
don't corrected, don't even tell me. So I always recommend
it's good to get a second opinion because some of
these doctors are in the payroll of these teams.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Yeah, and their best interest for you to play.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
You know what I mean at the end of the
day is you have to take care of you.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
The league is always gonna take care of themselves, the
team is always going to take care of themselves. You
have to take care of you and always seek second
opinions that because you will get the best diagnosis that way.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Were you playing well with that torn shoulder?

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
I played through. You know, I was young, young pup.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
You know what are you shooting?

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
Well, I was shooting that thing, that one thing I'm
gonna do, I'm gonna shoot. But it was in pain.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:27):
Well when you take the shots, you know you don't
feel it for the next two weeks, but man, it's
gonna come right back. So yeah, man, it was one
of those things where I definitely had to get a
second opinion and they don't behold, it wasn't there And
at that point, oh okay, let's give them surgery. Now,

(01:39:48):
you know what I'm saying. So it was some bullshit though,
Bud get that second opinion. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
I've been hearing those more lately. I mean the DEREKLP situation.
I heard it was something similar like that. They like
know how bad his foot situation actually was.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Okay, someone said facts now he can overhead press one
hundred pounds dumb bells.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
You know, coach beat.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
Coach there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Yeah, it sounds like he knows.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's my peoplesh what's Brandon?

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Appreciate you showing some love.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
I'm not gonna lie though after the surgery though my
right shoulders I might need it on my left to
be honest, but my right shoulder has been good ever since.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Man, that's what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
Oh one more day two? Maybe there's too much information.
You guys have wiped the ass with your left hand. Okay,
I'm left handed, so that's a bullshit. That's some bullshit.
You right handed, right right, wipe your hands with your
left hand when you take a ship, when you go home.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
With your left hand, he ampredexes with the ship.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
Okay, you talented like that?

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
You gifted?

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
Oh you gifted?

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Okay, gifted. Okay, man, gifted the hardest.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
I ain't gonna lie. That was the hardest ship I
had to do. There's no.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Yo, we learn how to do.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Bro, we get to the ships here. You know what
I'm saying, crazy you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Do what your left hand?

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Yeah, you gifted empdetrics with the ships.

Speaker 8 (01:41:36):
Man, that's amazed right now, that's work, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
I don't know how we got here, but I just
I just got that y'all mood.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
That said, you started talking about my injuries and ship,
and then I started thinking about all the ship I
had to do and learned my injury.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
I had to do a lot of ship in my
left hand.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
I couldn't do it now, Epidius with the ships as well.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Nah, bro, that ship was the worst bro ship all
in my hand.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Anyways, I have a question for you, right nothing ship.
Oh God never touched me with that hand anyway. Anyways,

(01:42:39):
let's get to U sports.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Ray Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Specifically Ray Girl, Oh my god, specifically Ray Lebron James
has an issue with the current state of youth sports.

Speaker 11 (01:42:57):
My guys, we ran track and field as well, and
we were like super We're duper young.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:43:01):
We played football all the way American football all the
way through high school. We didn't just cap it at
one thing and just did one thing all year round.
And I think a lot of kids burned. They burned
the hell out. You're just telling them, dude, just okay,
I'm gonna just do this one all year round. I'm
just playing basketball, or just play volleyball, just play soccer
all year round. You burn out, you know at twenty two,

(01:43:25):
twenty three, twenty four, you know, because you've just been
doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Are young thirteen?

Speaker 11 (01:43:30):
Yeah, thirteen, they starts, you know, they say, fuck the
hell with it, I'm done. I don't even want to
play no more, you know. So I don't think putting
the cap on these kids being able to They should
be able to explore.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Man, do they still play on the playground in Slovenia much?
Even there? It's still more program now that's just funny.
But yeah, how do you feel about that statement?

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Ray?

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
I know you've been sports. I totally agree.

Speaker 6 (01:43:54):
I think kids should play multiple sports as a young kids,
and play really to they get in high school. Some
even play through high school. Just play everything and just see,
you know which one. It's the best situation for you
which one you love. But kids today don't do traditional basketball, training,

(01:44:21):
basketball just just going outside. And who we played at
the parks. There wasn't no basketball gym open, you feel me.
There wasn't no basketball gym.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
There's a privilege of playing the gym back then.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
Exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:44:33):
Like you.

Speaker 6 (01:44:35):
I could drive through every neighborhood in Dallas right now,
I don't see no kids outside.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
To me, that's a problem. True in its summertime, they
meet us a problem. No kids is outside.

Speaker 6 (01:44:44):
You know why because they got social media, I got
video games, they got laptops, iPads, they got the cell phones,
they got all these gadgets. But going outside and really
joint being a kid. And I tell these kids all
the time, I'll better enjoy this shit because when you
get to the real world, you get bills, when you
get just responsibilities, you feel me.

Speaker 4 (01:45:08):
So the youth is is just they unfortunately, like I know,
things are.

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
Going to grow, things are going to to to advance,
But I think some of the traditional things shouldn't change,
like going outside and just being a kid, broad room,
barefooted outside the world. I say, I mean, I ain't
saying the woods because you know, you know it's it's
a lot of coyotes out here. You no, no, they

(01:45:34):
ain't built like me. But you know, but my little man,
even with my little little Raymond, like go outside, like
go outside and play, go run around, Like take them
over to the park and let them go play. But
it's just the concept now of the youth sports is
just parents and stuff are like pimping out their kids.

(01:45:57):
Like it's just crazy, man. You know, parents are taking
money just for a tournament for that weekend, selling their sons,
selling their kids.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Even I'm pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Sure it's going going on in the girls basketball too,
like hey, we give you a thousand dollars, you know,
and pay for your trip, you know, get your run
a card. We'll do all this for you. You know
what I'm saying, just to come play with our team
this weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:46:19):
Like this stuff is really going on. And I ain't
talking about older kids. I'm talking about like grassroots, like
young kids. They are taking money at ten years old.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
M hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
I mean the game has changed, but it's not like
it's happened back in the day. Now it was you
don't got paid to go play a Nike camp or
ABCD camp.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
We ain't gonna talk about that, you know, but yo,
but I think I think.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
I mean what Lebron saying is like, Yo, you're training
as a pro like a pro at fourteen years old.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
That's insane.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
That's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Like, Yo, I'm sure y'all y'all made it. We're training
like pros at fourteen y'all were having some fun.

Speaker 6 (01:46:59):
I'm taking my saying an eight year old child to
go train with Tyler Reff who trained pros.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
What am I doing? Taking?

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
Keep supporting what I'm saying is like what I'm saying,
I'm taking a six year old kid to go train
with Chris Brickley, Like I have no problem with getting
my child trained.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Iin't got no problem with that. But it's levels, Like.

Speaker 6 (01:47:22):
I'm giving Tyler props, Tyler, you it's a level. Yeah,
he's a level of training pros. Like, yes, you're gonna
make your money with you know, obviously younger kids. But
he's a professional trainer to me, So you know what
I'm saying, Like, I'm not taking my eight year old child.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
You gotta let kids d.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
This too, Right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
I heard the term hockey assist a lot more now
in basketball, Right, that was something that you learned from
playing different sports.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
I small career. I played Canadian high school basketball. I
saw the floor well because I played hockey.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
I'm saying, That's what I'm saying, Like people see that
you learn different skills in football. We don't talk about that, right,
You learn different skills playing different sports.

Speaker 5 (01:48:05):
Exactly like people baseball. I play baseball. I'm just saying,
I'll give you a run for your money.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Camp. I'm saying, what is that help with cam?

Speaker 6 (01:48:15):
Your eye coordination eyehnd coordination, that helps when you're going
to the basketball court, football.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
Toughness, you're getting hit like that's just toughness. Like people
that that that stuff matters. They wonder why these kids
now are just so stay so soft because you got
kids playing basketball all year around. They don't want to
play football because I don't want to get hit. I
don't want to get touched.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
I'm just saying, no, I'm being real. I know you
you're going another way with it, but I'm just saying that.
But that's the truth. Though you're playing football, you're going
to get hit. Kids don't want to get hit period.

Speaker 6 (01:48:53):
Playing baseball, you don't want to get hit for the
hit by the baseball I've seen the kid. I've seen
the kid walk off the baseball field because somewhere was
hit him.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
With a pitch. He had the Dodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
Forget this, I.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Still got stitches, right, I got.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Seven from the skills. What do you learn from baseball?
I mean that can translate to basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Reaction time.

Speaker 6 (01:49:15):
The things you learn exactly football, toughness. You got to
be tough to play football.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Forget hockey. You gotta plays going. You gotta see what
predict plays.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
To be tough, You're going to get hit or be hit.
You've been hit somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
If we look at the flip side too, like you know,
you know, we've talked about it. Everybody says they don't
today's even today's pros or younger players, they don't watch film.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Why would I watch I want to say this, like respectfully,
why would I watch film? If I've been training since
a twelve year old as a pro right, right, all
I've done is basketball. Like you know, you sacrifice everything,
which is great, you made it to your goal, but
you know, I don't have anything else to do. All
I've been playing basketball for the last twelve years.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Sometimes as parents with it they get older.

Speaker 5 (01:50:04):
As parents, we shouldn't force the sport to our kids, right,
Like I don't force basketball my son, if he wants
to play, he plays because nobody forced me to play ball, right.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
I don't think no one forced you to play ball.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
I did it myself and at the end of the day,
like we just decided to grind on our own, right.
Obviously we had some mentors that probably guided us through
the process and whatnot. But when they're not forcing it,
like if they're doing it today, like these kids today
are starting super early and they're being like it's crazy
and to the point where up hating it. You see

(01:50:41):
what I'm saying. They grow up and they hate the
sport or they they hate it or they just doing it.
My mom forced me. That's the wrong way to go
about things, man, as parents. Let our kids be kids, man,
and let them enjoy their childhoods because they only gonna
get it once.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
And you want to talk about the flip side, even
love the game no more because you're burnt out and
then you have to deal with the business side of it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
And then you deal with the business.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
And that just so your hate for the game or
you're dislike for the game. Now when you have to
deal with I'm better than this guy, but he got
a bigger contract than me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Can't play Like no one told.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
Nobody told me to be a student of the game.
I just became a student in the game. But how
by collecting trading cards, by freaking playing video games, by
just watching the game now becoming that you become a
student in the game, but not knowing you becoming a
student of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
So we need to go back to that, man, Like,
stop forcing it on these kids. Man, you know what's crazy?
Like I play a video game, like I play a
real game. That's a fact, Like right, Like that's how
much like I think and love basketball, Like I'm playing
a video and a lot of people play video games
just for fun, just for giggles, Like I play video

(01:51:52):
games A swing swing, shoot that court, ye for real.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
I play a real, live game like I'm really playing.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
I'm really really into this, Like seriously, I would get cooked,
by the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Way, Give me two months and I will try. All y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
I promise you that we could play with money against baseball.
When I used to play like that, I was playing baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Show that's all.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
I'm playing a thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Yeah I was, I was, but I don't really play
that play like different games. So I'm nice. Now I'm
just an algorithm.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
I'm beating me on the show though. It may be
the show No Baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
That's who found me when that new college college football
drunk every day?

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
What the show?

Speaker 12 (01:52:41):
Yes, m B, Yes, with the game loves base he
will get cooked. Jump on this chat right now, funny
putting up.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
We can play that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Let's grab the.

Speaker 5 (01:52:59):
Play xboxx box.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
You listen. I don't play video I have the only
game I play. The only game is m.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
O bow were for the past three start off after
dark with the game of m l B.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Will put some money money, I put it, I put it.
I'll put whatever stack to He's a stack.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
Put in the stack.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
But you do you do regular teams or you do dynasty?

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
What do you mean?

Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
I don't do dynasts the regular teams? Okay, your team,
that's fine, I'm okay. You get the Yankees. You getting trashed.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
We got a stack on the line. We gotta let's
grab the real basket to the bad run. You talk too,
ship do it work all, y'all?

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
So let's let's push on because we were coming across time.
What y'all want to talk about? Mister he wants to
go to Toronto, But y'all, what are your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
You want to go?

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
We're talking about the NAS.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
They're saying that mutual interest to be in Toronto.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
Like, like, I think that'd be great because it's good,
you know, like he fits.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Toronto where he said he didn't want to leave these but.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
He also but he also said, I mean there's reports
that he don't want to deal with taxes.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Yeah, and that's the worst. But that's the worst place. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
So but but ya, what do y'all think of the
Toronto fit? I mean, it's just not that Toronto's looking
to add a big free agent. They're looking to either
go after Kdie.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
For the business side. That's a humongous and I think
that that can take Giannis.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
You know, he got a.

Speaker 5 (01:54:36):
Whole country on your back. Now that's the beauty about
playing in Canada, is you're going to have a whole country. Yeah,
it's just not a city or a state.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
But that country.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
Smaller ship, bro, there's more people in California than there's
in all Canada?

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
There's only million in Canada. It's all frozen. There's about
thirty eight million people in Canada. Are forty if it's
grown in the last and years. Yeah, it's small.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Yeah, it's like simvasion with the Australia. You can't live
the most of it. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
So but but anyways, what do y'all think of the fit?
I think they keep b. I they're probably gonna have
to move. You're gonna have to I mean, do Scotty
and nic Is actually fit? They feel like I don't
want to say similar players, but I don't feel like
they fit.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Does that move take Toronto over the hump? I think
you have to move Scotty. That's a defensive I think
that's what you're trade them for. I think you have
to move Scotti because you want to keep b. I
spreads the floor out.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
Move Scotti to Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
I think you move Scotty and and r J to Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
Too many guys, you don't you get rid of those
two and then you give picks and you build, you
get signed.

Speaker 6 (01:55:40):
Yeah, people don't want to play with you got quickly,
you got quickly. At the point you got quick you
got I like.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
Playoffs. They ain't gonna win no quick They ain't gonna
win no game.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
You got b You're gonna win some games in the East.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
And it's the same team in Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
No, it's not the team damed It was injured. They
gonna be out for years on problem.

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
He's a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Nice the Pilicans. The Pilicans, we already know they got
their problems.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
Hey, listen, I think Nis would be a problem at
the five.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
I think he should play the five. I know he's not.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
I think he would be a problem at a problem whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
It's not many. It's not just many. Five Who can
really stop him? Who can who can stop him?

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
I don't understand the KD fit though. What does KD
do for you in Toronto? Were he doing because they
want to their name. He wants to go after to
its like what I know?

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
Kati loved Toronto. He said he wants to play for Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
As a kid, but like be up there with Drake.
He said that. That's all I'm gonna say. He said that.
But my point is to ask you guys, is like,
does that even make sense? He's not young enough. He's not.

Speaker 4 (01:56:51):
He's not because Toronto is not a lie. It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
He's just flying right, now he's like the women. No,
he said that because of BC he wants to play
for the Raptors.

Speaker 4 (01:57:03):
Sounds good, So I don't think if he does, he
gonna play for the Raptors.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
You and I promise you he stopping him from doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
He's not anyways, that's not the point. Do y'all think
it fits? I don't think it's a terrible fit.

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
It's not fit because Toronto right now is not a
championship contender.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
I think and Katy two years, four years, two really
good years probably.

Speaker 6 (01:57:31):
Be I heard is looking at they're looking at here.
But I heard Drew Holliday looking to go to the Clippers.

Speaker 5 (01:57:38):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
That's a I can't afford him. Sou's a better fit.
We can't afford me. I don't thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
By the way, you'll have any questions, we will wrap
up in for five minutes, so y'all better ask now
real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
Actually, I do I like it with the Clippers like
I do like it? You put why Kawhi and Drew
defensive lea. I like it that that frees the harden
can do a lot, he can do a lot more.

Speaker 4 (01:58:07):
I'm with that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
That's a good that's a great pick up.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
JNS won't be in Toronto though, there's no.

Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
Way, So there's no world where Jana's stays in Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
You think it's over, Yeah, I think he wants I
think he going to I don't why would he Why
would he allow so much chatter?

Speaker 5 (01:58:23):
If he want if he wanted to stay, would have
said to sit down, to apply pressure to leverage that
right to Milwaukee because Milwaukee already had.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
So what are you applying pressure to you have no assets.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
Milwaukee want to keep them, right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
They want to keep them. I think they want to move.

Speaker 4 (01:58:37):
You think Milwaukee moved on?

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
No, I think both you know, parties feel like, okay, yeah,
we want a championship.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
It's time to move on, Like you know, we Dame
is injured. That's what the Dame of fifty forty five.

Speaker 5 (01:58:48):
Or if that's the case, Milwaukee's trying to get the
best value they can from potentially, you know, because you
want to get the best value.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
I mean, if do you all do you all think
he should say in Milwaukee?

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (01:58:58):
I don't think he should. I don't think helps wrap.

Speaker 6 (01:59:01):
I think what You're said about them mutually want to
move him is not true.

Speaker 4 (01:59:06):
There you go the don't. I don't think Milwaukee want.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
They had meetings with him, but they can keep you.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
Mutual is that he wants to leave. Their happy to
accommodate your quests and just tell you that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
It won't be a Jimmy situations.

Speaker 6 (01:59:19):
Them got that much love that if he wants to leave,
they're gonna do his best for him. They're gonna help him.

Speaker 4 (01:59:24):
But I don't think Gianni's has can come out and
say that he hasn't honest, will come out and say it,
but he don't have some meets behind him doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
Giannis will be either with the Spurs, and if he
wants to go in the East, he will probably be
with the Knicks or dark horse team Atlanta. That's my horse.

Speaker 5 (01:59:46):
I did see that video where when he lost with Milwaukee.
He did see him walk in the street to New York. Yes,
you know, yeah, yeah, he's just chilling in New York.
While New York you might like New York.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Remember he likes he likes to like big market. He
might be New York. He's playing a big market that
will be that. I ain't gonna lie. That would be huge.
I don't Adam Adam Silver will love it. I just
in New York. I don't like it. I don't want
him to you don't like I just don't like it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
I don't want to see honest in New York.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
That I don't I don't want.

Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
To do you don't want New York to be good.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
That's how I don't want to see New York. Joannis
in New York. No, I'm happy to see like Katie.
I just don't like joannest in New York, k D.
I think New York. I think Katie in New York
is great. He was already in New York. No, he
ain't work Katy ain't going back New York. My whole
point is I just don't like. I don't. I can't.
I can't picture him, and he can't picture it. I
just don't want to.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
See it for that can be great. Number thirty four
the okay, okay, great? Where you want him in Dallas
or New York?

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
What do you want to He ain't come here? Who
coming here? Were cool?

Speaker 4 (02:00:50):
They're not they're not they're not doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
Yeah, that ship shell if a lot of ship has
to happen like some other ship. For that, I don't
think they can. They not doing it. Well, Shoot, we're
gonna be We're gonna be lit. We got the draft.
We're gonna be watching draft that we're gonna be watching.
We got cooping in the city. If it do happen,
it will happen. Drafting now you heard it here first.
If it does happen, it doesn't happen, it will happen.

(02:01:15):
Last thing, quickly thing Pelicans said. No one on their
roster is untouchable.

Speaker 1 (02:01:20):
That's one of your guys. Everyone you want to see
one of your guys. If they actually move, I won't
get rid of them. His decision making is not the best.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
I won't him. I'm gonna tell you. Look right as
you don't need to be in Houston.

Speaker 6 (02:01:36):
I understand that you don't need to be. Still understand
that I need to be young. Fella is dealing with
a lot right.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
Now, he's dealing with a lot. This is the time
get rid of more distracts New Orleans.

Speaker 6 (02:01:47):
You got to get him out of New Orleans. Got
to that organization wants to get him because he he
needs to find so he need to go somewhere where
he needs to go, somewhere where he got something to do.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
He need.

Speaker 4 (02:01:58):
Decreases the right question I'm meaning.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
To me, would you swap out Scotty for for Yes, yep.
Oh I like that, yep, because if you do that,
If you do that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:09):
His college teammate, obviously he's familiar with b I Toronto's
from Massia might be a more structured program.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
I'm just throwing out there, and he's played with I before.

Speaker 4 (02:02:18):
Yeah, and it's gonna I mean Toronto.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
I do feel like Scotty is a hot is a
good commodity on on the other side to get you
get Scotty in some picks.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
I don't know. I'm just throwing up around.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
Scotty would hate it, but yeah, Scotty would hate it
going to New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (02:02:29):
If I'm New Orleans, I'll get rid of him for
whoever bro this point, for whoever, not whoever, But you know, Scotty,
I like Scotty like like is not looking too hortw
not looking too hot.

Speaker 4 (02:02:41):
That's not a sexy team.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
They say everybody Murphy's favorite. He's favorite to go to
the Nuggets, and I would like that. You don't like
that I like it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:52):
Love that. I like that. I like it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
I love that. I like it.

Speaker 6 (02:02:55):
He can shoot that rock and I can see that
trade with him and Michael Porter with a sign and
trade because you don't feel finna get paid. He's gonna
get paid. Murphy gonna get paid. I can see a
sign and trade.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
I think you do that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
You have.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
You have Murray him and Repelicans.

Speaker 4 (02:03:16):
The Pelicans are.

Speaker 1 (02:03:18):
Serious, fulcans on a serious franchise there there with the Kings.

Speaker 4 (02:03:25):
To get rid of Zion, get rid of him please.

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
Actually, this is this is all wax Tony says.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
It's a joke of an organization. He said that on
this pod. A says bad.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
I mean, everybody says, I've never not a good organization,
like they gotta get rid of sign and there's was
a clean up with David Griffin. He just made it worse.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Originally. You'll remember that time they were respectable.

Speaker 5 (02:03:47):
At one point there was someone respectable when they had
a d and yeah they had Boogie and Rondo at
the point.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Rod was on that team and he said the organization
was a joke.

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
That's how it was.

Speaker 3 (02:04:00):
Ranged didn't say the team, the team was bad. He's
talking with the organization, good with the team. Yeah, but
the King's the same way, and it's a it's a
couple of those in the league. You know, every one
of those couple every organization ain't gonna be top not
for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
That's that's all I'm saying. When he said they're not serious,
they're not a serious.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
Organized last last one. The Mavericks are also the favorite
Herb Jones. Do you think that's a good love that?
I love Herb Herb Jones and who goto you?

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
Probably you might trade Nause or p J one of
the two great detendant back.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
I don't think you. They might want him back. They might,
but I'm not young, Like, no, you don't have a choice.
That's true, no voice, that is true. I just like
Herb on Dallas. I think you think you gotta trade
either one of them. I think could be somebody else.
It can be.

Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
But why you gotta trade somebody? How much money Herb
asking for?

Speaker 3 (02:04:54):
I think Herb just extended extended. Yeah, so to trade,
it's gonna be trade because the Pelicans are selling.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
They're selling everybody yourself starting, bro. They might give him
up for some money.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
They need some cash, But I don't like getting rid
of Herb.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
I feel like you have.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
He's a player to keep around. He's like a fundamental cornerstone. Yeah,
I like her just keeping him there.

Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
I they just need the first blood. They're trying your
first blue.

Speaker 3 (02:05:18):
Just they're only making thirteen next year and fifteen the
next year. Like I'm keeping HERB. If i'm them, you
can trade. You can trade Hardy and somebody else for him.
That's case making money work. You don't have to eat nothing,
but you can keep nausey and quickly before we end up?
Where do you all want to see Ross? Because I
was a question in the.

Speaker 5 (02:05:32):
Chat west Brook? Yeah, why why change? Stay in Denver,
keep playing the role that he's been doing.

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
All right, team for y'all, Orlando, No, I play well
with those guys.

Speaker 6 (02:05:49):
Stay there. He needs to stay with VS. Not the
young dudes with Stay with some vents. I like, I
like him with the Nuggets and they like him over
there too, So stay with you like to stay with,
you know, because it's all about where Russ is, all
about where he goes.

Speaker 4 (02:06:05):
Just want to play more. No, he wants to pay,
he wants to win. He wants to win, Bro, he
wants to win and he wants to have he wants
to have a part in it. Like you know what
I'm saying, He don't want to be no guy. You
want no guy that want to sit on the bench,
you know what I'm saying. Like he's one of those
guys that he's he's accepted the fact that not starting.
But I don't want to be over here sitting over.

Speaker 5 (02:06:26):
Yeah, I'll come off the bench of Denver and I'm
gonna come off the bench in Land he started Orlando.

Speaker 4 (02:06:31):
W would you want like Russ starting orlanda that he'd.

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
Be a start on the playoff team. That's why I
saw it. If you start on a playoff team.

Speaker 4 (02:06:38):
Uh, how long that's gonna last?

Speaker 6 (02:06:42):
Because they're young, they're young. You're building with young guys
and you're bringing an older guy like.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
Every team you do, but the station.

Speaker 6 (02:06:51):
Yeah, but then you're talking about starting, like you know,
that's like Mike Conley going over there right now, like
on his way out, Mike Conley said he got about.

Speaker 4 (02:06:59):
A year or two he was retired already He's thinking about.

Speaker 6 (02:07:02):
It, Mike, Mike's thinking about it. Mike's coming back. He
probably coming back. But he's like, but he said it though.
He came out of you like, hey, my time is
about up. Yeah, my time is about up.

Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
Yeah, this year eighteen, I know thousand and seven. Bro
third over pick right after Greg and KD. Yeah, alright,
y'all any last words? So yo, we're gonna put this
on wax at the end of the show. So Ray
Charlie won one or two one hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
Bet right for the series. They split, I say they split.

Speaker 3 (02:07:35):
And then to the ball hafter dark. We're starting with
y'all playing a game of m ob show. He stacked
on the line.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
I shook thousand dollars, talk him out. He wants all smoke.
Any other bets we need to clear up before we
signed on?

Speaker 4 (02:07:49):
Are you messing with five?

Speaker 3 (02:07:50):
And then the last thing I want to say, I
told you to play our prediction, so everybody knows four
two four two four two four one. And then the
next time we'll see it Thursday, just before it starts,
so we'll probably break down the series a little bit more.
Let's go and mister Pinson will be joining us again.
To right, Tyler might be back in the building. I'll
be back in the producer's share. I may be here,

(02:08:12):
may not may not be here though, I forgot that.

Speaker 2 (02:08:14):
That's right, gonna be okay, See, who knows.

Speaker 4 (02:08:19):
You're gonna be working, You're gonna be working, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:08:21):
See he's all he's working right now. For talking about
working right now, you're talking about double let's go thunder though.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
All appreciate you tapping.

Speaker 2 (02:08:36):
Appreciate you tapping into the we started.

Speaker 3 (02:08:45):
Hey, by the way, don't forget drop tomorrow Charlie Socials
his new Oh yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (02:08:51):
New whip is dropping the ball c we believe the street.

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
All right, y'all, We'll see y'all on Thursday. Jeez,