Tyrese Haliburton is NOT Top 10, Is OKC in trouble? Is LeBron James bubble comments crazy and more

The Pacers are here for real, but Tyrese is not top-10!! How does OKC respond, and the bubble resulted in some of the best hoops ever.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, what's up people.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
We are back with another live stream of To the Baja,
and I ain't gonna lie to tell we want some
ship this morning. We're gonna call today to the Baja
Phase Edition, Phase Edition, running, real, real, fat some ship.
We got my brother Raymond felt in the building with
the fire ass stone call. I love to day, I

(00:31):
love Okay.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
We feel like slamming niggas today. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
That's crazy. Four three in the building.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Baby, when it comes up cussing on the show, you're
to have a classic today. I help you. We gotta
fixed with raised mic.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
You know, I don't be you know, don't be pussing
like that too much. My mom told me not. Yeah,
I listened to mom saying, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Working on that right. Whoa, you have the craziest what
you be saying? That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
But we also got my brother Charlie Villing the Waiver,
the building in the building with the with the that
the the dream Team Jersey dream m J.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, put it into the face.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
WHOA, Come on, come on, bro, we too.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
We're not even two minutes into the stream, bro, can
we get into business real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Look, I go around introduce everyone, give their respect. And
then we do the intro right in to business.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
And look we got we got mister Fade himself, Fade himself,
mister viral.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Let me say this, said Pience something. That's all they said.
It's hilarious deal. I see your peace maker over there,
he got the line on his ship. He's not no
peace right now?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
You sure you're gonna have the Porto Rican today?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Hey listen, Hey, I love to Rico.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Okay, we're good over here, bro, goodric We're all good
now because the.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Fact fact. Then we got look and then we got
Hong in the building. What's up all right? Now? Look?

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Look trying ready to get into business? I hold a
look like my business. First, I paid my debts, raking,
I pay my debts.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I like having it on camera.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Case I said, as a as a as an order
for for for all the deals over here?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
What's up? You wanted to be on camera up?

Speaker 6 (02:43):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:44):
So let's say what what was your bet for? What
was your bet for?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Pacers are going to be out in five okay, in
which you know can't just statistically happen anymore because they
want And now what is your bet for?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
About that?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Again? But I'm gonna paying my money.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know I said Indiana was gonna win another game. Okay,
two hundred dollars. Don't come me out, don't call me
out on social media.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Emotion, Charlie said, I gonna call no names out, but Raymond.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
In the caption, I mean, I'm tagging. I wanted a response.
You want to get up.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I want to let go back and forth.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
A little bit that I don't know the way the
way Rayfeler right now. I think you want those fun
right now.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I didn't want to do that. Yeah, Shelter Ray though,
pas that's queer good.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Man, good Man losing a whole lot of money though,
But good Man, I don't know about that. I haven't
lost a bet to you.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah, I think the ball how bet you're down a
little bit because you're you're down to He wanted New
York ones initially, then you're up a hundred and then
and then you want New York one.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
But he down. I think down like two hundred, baby,
So I think it's not that bad. Okay, one to day,
I told you.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
He's gonna come out again. Hes gonna come out of retirement.
Let's get to the Bajac. Let's get let's get to
the As we know, the Pacers won Game three in
Indiana by nine points.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
You gotta drop the mic a little bit. Yeah, I
got all right. So look, so look let's let's get
first reactions, right.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
We're gonna start with you. We already know you've been
waiting to talk about it. What's what's good?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Man?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Listen, man, Okay, see to me, I still think they're
gonna win this series.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
You know, guys, guys any other stepped up last night.
I got to get props due when it's due. You know.
Haller Burton had a good game, you know, which is
what they expected him to do. And then Matham That's
what I'm gonna talk about. Matham was the player of
the game.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
To me.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Without him, that game is out of control, you know.
And and then this guy right here, you know, actually
I take that back. Matthly did the scoring, but TJ.
McConnell was the heart and soul of the game. He's
definitely the player of the game. The way he just
fired him up, he changed the whole momentum of the
game last night. So and just okay, see, just they

(05:18):
gotta they gotta find somebody else. That's going to spark
this team. You know, I think Check had a good game.
I think j Doub had a good game. I think
Shay had a good game. Somebody else is going to
have to be that guy. And I think Indiana had
guys that really stepped up last night, and okay, see didn't,
so we'll see.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
I mean, let me just say one thing quick. I'm
not rooting for the Pacers because Okay, he's lost me
two hundred dollars and I'm gonna leave.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
It at that. You're read that's it.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
I didn't watch a game fight. I can't speak on
the game, but I'm just saying I'm rooting for Indiana.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I lost a little bit of bread. Go Indiana. One
thing I noticed that that's what it's called.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
What Ray was saying, they all had to do with
the bench guys, you know, with t J mccullor, with
matherin this this series is gonna come down to the bench.
That's who's deciding the game. Last game, it was Alice
Caruso with twenty. This game is Mathern and TJ McCollum
and Obi Topping, and you know the Shepherd came that

(06:26):
You're fine, New York. So Yeah, it comes down to
the bench and whose bench is going to be better
at that particular game. And yesterday he clearly saw that
Indiana's bench was better.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, what you think.

Speaker 7 (06:42):
It's on Wax? That ship on Wax. I told y'all,
whatever bench plays better wins the games.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
I think these are two evenly matched teams. You got
two guys, like I said, s J. S. G A
is a bona fie superstar. He's won m v P.
You got Tyde's Halliburn who's on the way to being
a superstar, just performing in big moments. These are evenly
matched teams. Think about it. What's different between them? They
both don't know what the folks they doing except for

(07:10):
Pascal s Yeah. Come really, and they're just going out
there and playing good basketball.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Great.

Speaker 7 (07:16):
These are great teams, and I think that's what everyone
needs to understand. These are two great teams that have
probably two of the best camaraderie out of anybody else
in the league. And that's why they are where they are. Indiana,
they were together all your last year. They felt like
they laid the egg against Boston when four oh got swept,

(07:37):
then you had Okay, See, they pretty much brought the
same teams back, except okay, see out of Alex Caruso
and Hernstein and now look at them, like both of
these teams are just well oiled machines. I'm gonna be
real with this goes seven, This series going seven. These
are two evenly matched teams. It's so back and forth,

(07:57):
you just it's hard to say, Okay, se, he's not
gonna respond because they've just shown they're going to.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know what I'm saying. They they respond.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
They're very common, cool, collected team.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
This is what people don't understand.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Okay, See, you can say they're inexperience and they don't
know each other, but they fuck with each other. And
Ray and Charlie, y'all know how far that goes. When
you have a unit that you rock with, you're gonna
do whatever it takes to keep that train rolling so
you can go ahead and continue for your successful and

(08:31):
this will be the best season in the best ride
of all these guys' careers right now, you know what
I'm saying. So they're gonna they're gonna continue to do
everything they can to win these games, and they're gonna
put their egos aside and do everything they can to win,
and I see, okay, see winning game four. Like I said,

(08:52):
I've told people this is gonna be great, bump. These
teams are two evenly matched teams. It's gonna come down
to the bench. Like CV just said, because I didn't
see the game either. To be completely honest, I had
a game last night. All I saw Benning at Mack
then have twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
So that's the tail. Whoever bench wins plays the best,
wins the game. Anybodys the game, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I just.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
I got twos. I got three things to say, three
quick points. Hey the Charlie's point. Indiana still hasn't lost
two games in a row. So we'll see if they
they need they need to for you, okay, see to
win the series. Second point is okay, see gave me
twenty fifteen Warriors vibes. Well, they were down to one
in the series before they won three in a row
against the Cavaliers.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
But we see that. M No, we'll find out. I
don't think he can't beat Oklahoma three times in a row.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
We gotta start with these Warrior computers. Fuck, who gotta win?
Who gotta lose twice?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
PACER's gotta lose twice twice, and they haven't done it
done in all playoffs. And yes, THEO you said that
this team is close. We we said on a show.
It's all wax. The steamer reminds us of that team,
how young they are. That's all I'm saying. It's parallels.
I say this too. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
They both s g A and both Halliburn have both
never lost game fours in their career.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Oh that's a nice stat. Okay, somebody gonna lose somebody else,
somebody it's gonna be I'm gonna tell you this right now.
Everyone keeps saying it's okay, See's biggest game.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's not India.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
If Indiana wants to be a champion, no funk all that.
If Indiana wants to be a champion, if they want
to really win this, they have to win game four.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I believe that. I don't think they win in seven.
You think you do? Okay?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
You think okay the can win three in a row. Yes,
you just gotta win one in Indiana. But you get too,
O k C.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
If you if they win next game, I think you're
gonna say the same thing. No, no, no, he's.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Do you hear what I'm saying, okay, see games at home.
If Indiana wants to win, you can afford.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
Okay, cool, you lose it, okay, see, then you know
you're going back to the crib to close these mossuckers
out for game six. You have to win game four
because for okay, see you like, okay, cool, we're going
back home. Let's take care business, do what you gotta do.
You gotta win one game in Indiana, one game, and

(11:34):
then you're going back to the crib.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
For Indiana, you have to win game four if you
really want.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
To win this series.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Because I understand, we all know Indiana put themselves in
great position right now, they're in an unbelievable position because
they stole the game they weren't supposed to have. Right
when you got your foot on their neck, kill them,
take the motherfuckers out.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
So you know what I'm saying, Yeah, that's what they
try to do, the Marcus Cousins out. We're gonna get
to that. We're gonna get that.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
So so you guys don't think so nobody here thinks that.
I won't say nobody, you guys don't think that. Okay, See,
potentially could pull off three games.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
In a row. I don't think that. I don't think
they can the game.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think we I think it's I think it's they're capable.
But you know, the way this the way this series
is going, in the way Indiana has responded, and I
would just be honest with you, brocall out hell.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's hell, that's that was my third point.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
If if he pulls this off, he's gonna have the
two greatest runs twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
And for sure, Bro, we're gonna have to have some
serious discussions about about real call out.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
He does this. If he don't, he's still impressive.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Just just when he substitutes, when he put guys in
at the right time, he knows when to leave guys in.
He knows, Like if you look at it, Bro, he's
he He let Halibert sit down for a very long time,
and TJ McConnell.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Was just because, yeah, we got to talk about that. Okay,
she was having some terrible turnle inbounding the ball.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
That was crazy. That was crazy. Steels know he got
three steals with was like two within three possessions.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, steals with him throwing the ball in out of
the mounds.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
He had five total steels. Bro, it was come on,
that's crazy. You gotta be better. And the final Bro,
he jumped in the air and caught one out the air.
Do you not see the dude DBU right there in
the contract.

Speaker 7 (13:38):
I'm track, but you just him, he just signed just
yeah you keep him, keep him listen. This These are
one of those situations that CV is right sometimes because
Indiana that could have easily fucked this whole ship up. Yeah,
you get swept by Boston last year and you could

(13:58):
have been like, oh, we gotta do something, we gotta
do something up the whole and they could have fucked
up the.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Did they win one? I think they got swept, Bro, No,
I think they got swept. If like two balls two games.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
They should have they should have won Game one in Boston.
They fucked it up.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
But that's when I think they hit the crazy three
in the corner.

Speaker 7 (14:25):
But like I said, I think this is a perfect
situation where like that camaraderie and then you got a
good team. Sometimes you don't need to touch it, you
know what I'm saying. You gotta let these things play out.
Give that team a couple of chances to see what
they can do, and as you can see, Indiana is
paying the dividends on that because ultimately, like I said,

(14:48):
from what I heard and what I've seen, I watched
a couple of highlights, everything I've heard is that the
fucking starting unit was terrible to start the game, and
then the bitch came in and played with you know
what I'm saying. Those are that's what changed the game.
And like I said, you don't really have those situations.
That's why I can't put him at the.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I guess.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
Superstar level because you can't really have that because I
don't know the last time I seen Lebron get saved
by bench guy because he wasn't playing well really, But
I think.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's a topic. We'll talk about that quickly. Let's hold
that thought for one second. We'll get to that. I mean,
the bench difference was eighteen to like thirty forty.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
The difference was mathering. Mathroom was hurt last year, and
Tyree said it after the game, this guy was hurt
last year for us in the playoffs. If we had
him last year, who knows what we could have did
last year. He brings you a guy off the bench
who has extreme high level of confidence, this man knows
and thinks he's supposed to be a starter, and I

(15:56):
think he can start on a lot of teams in
the NBA. This guy's a to five score. He can play,
he plays defense, he rebounds. I like the kids, I
like mathroom and you know, and he was the starter
for majority portion of the seasons.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Whatever, both of those. I love that game though. I'm
a fan man. Yeah, I know you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
Listen, but you gotta give, you gotta give what's the
name credit uh mather and played big time last night.
So yeah, let's get into he's been He's been asked
before then he's been.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
He has not been good. I want to say he
has been bad.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
He was.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
He was bad the NIXT series. I feel like he
was bad Game one and two. So how many games consistent?
That's eight, that's eight games of not playing well.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I feel he kind of that Jonathan Ming.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Aaron Wiggins last game. When was the last time we
talked about on the show. He was.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
Okay, that's what I'm saying. That's the beauty. This is
where this is where I'm gonna hit you out with
this cv uh ray. If I'm looking at this City.
I'm looking at this NBA Finals and I'm looking at
the playoffs in general. What's the number one thing that
y'all take away from this playoffs that can help a
team win a championship?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
What do you need? Size? Depth?

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Depth. That's the way the NBA is.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
It is so many good players out here that can
play the game of basketball. Fuck all the young shit,
fuck all the other stuff that people are trying to do.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
You need depth.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
If you have depth, you have a chance of winning
a championship. Because at the end of the day, your
guys might not have it every night yesterday prime example.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
You know what I'm saying, You gotta have some other
guys that you can trust.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
And that's the reason, and I know I keep harping
back on this, that's the reason I said that what
I said about the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
You don't even know what the.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Other guys could give you because they never got a
fair opportunity every night. Okaysee in Indiana, give their guys
opportunity every single night where they know they're gonna get
their shot right when you came off the bench, when
you came off the bench at OKC. In the other places,
they always told you when you were going to the game, right,
how much did that help you?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Oh? A lot?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's huge. CV.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
I know I knew my rotation. I knew when Rust
was coming out, I knew when I was going in.
So yeah, that a lot. But let me speak on
that part of it and the part of the coaching part.
Rick Carlile is trusting his bench. And I'm not saying
the coaching. I can't think he's marm now Mark Mark.
I'm not saying Mark is not doing that in Oka see,

(18:58):
because he done it all year. But in the pose,
for some reason, he's kind of cut down his bench
a little bit with their minutes. Should I say? Because
last night I thought Joe he came in and hit
two threes, didn't see him no more, but he kept
going with Wiggins, and I feel like Wiggins wasn't having
a good game. So as a coach, he got to
see that, like, Okay, Joe is giving me a better

(19:20):
give me a better push tonight. I gotta go with
Joe tonight because I can. I can trust them too,
because Joe plays defense and he and he was making
shots last night.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
The guy was two for two, hit both of his threes.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
You think he's getting out coach. I think he got
to read that situation better than don't. He kept going
back with Wiggins because I guess he felt he got
more trust than Wiggins, but Wiggins didn't have it. Wiggins
went playing well, So go with Joe. Joe is playing good,
he hit his two threes, he's playing good defense.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Go with him.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
You know what I'm saying. I just think you got
to make those decisions where Rick Carlile he's doing that.
He left Mathern out there, He left TJ. McConnell. When
they playing bad, they had sit down. When they're playing good,
he plays them. That's what you gotta run here topping.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
I don't disagree with you, Ray, I would say it's
obviously you guys know better. It's a tough balance because
when you have someone like that's theoretically earned their stripes,
you kind of gotta let them play through it, try
to play.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Out of the times.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
You can't do that. You can't do that in this
situation at all. This This ain't the season. This is
the playoffs. This is you're trying to win a ship.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Like so does it change for a starter the bench
players out what you're saying the starters, you're gonna leave
them in and try to let them figure it out, right.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, you know, I mean not necessarily if somebody else
is playing better. You know, sometimes you got to put
your starters on a bitch in this situation because it's
all about winning. It's not about Okay, we're gonna let
this guy get out of this. We're gonna let him
just continue to play and get out of because we
know we're gonna need him throughout the season long term.
This is we win this, winn win, Now, we'll lose.
Now you're done.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
Like that.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
It's that simple. And I feel like in that situation
last night, he should have made that decision and let
Wigans sit down and play.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Joe. That's just my opinion. There's only two people.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
There's only two people on each team that are going
to be in regardless j Dubb and Shae Pascal and
Tires everybody else.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Last game, though, the tyrese was he rolled the bench,
he let.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
You're talking about game three? Yeah, well no, this last game, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
He didn't play. He didn't play at all in the fourth. No, No,
he did play. But what I'm saying is he sat
out pretty much all of the third he shat out
for a good portion of the game. I'm talking about
I'm talking about clutch minutes. I'm talking about in the game.
I'm talking about when you that finishing lineup to end
the game. Who the guy said, like I said, like

(21:42):
Hank said, that got a rot. You're paying them the
big bucks. You got to be in the game at Dog. Yeah,
Shae j Dubb and Pascal and Tires, they're gonna be
in the game. Everybody else. It's it's on how you
playing exact. And that's what I was saying, Like Joe
should have been in there. I feel like Joe should

(22:04):
have had more minutes. I think he should have had
wings minutes. That's my opinion.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Cool, So let's get to the Tyree's conversation. He didn't
show up for the first two games. He showed up yesterday.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
What do you guys thoughts, because I mean, like he
was listening to the the inconsistency, Like we got to speak.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
About that, right, Like he plays better at home, bro,
I mean, this is what it is.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
But super when we put him the Superstar conversation, superstars
have big moments on the road, no question.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Is he has just not the finals in the finals finals.
This is his first vodeo true or false.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
And he's been showing up big on the road and
the other series up until up until now, Like up
until now, he's been show up on the road the
other year.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Listen, man, I have nothing negative to say about this man. Yeah,
this man is balling. This man is putting himself out
there as one of the best guards in this league.
Whether you want to call him a superstar, all star star,
what the fuck you want to call him?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Man is good. Now. He is not top ten to ten,
but nobody want to hear me.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
But he's definitely wanted. He's definitely one of the best
guards in his league.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
He's not top ten Bros, not top ten, top ten Bro,
Peter cut Charlie's mic off Bro. He's top ten, but
wants to hear me. He typed the top ten light skin.
I don't want to hear no particular order. It does

(23:32):
have to be in order give us your top ten Luca,
be honest. R K Shay uh Steph Steph. I don't
I'm not whoa whoa whoa whoa bron Bron Katie. You

(23:52):
don't have Katie there. That's where he differs, you don't.
I don't have today's game to day till marrow you
wee Joker Shay, you got five, you got Lucas, Steph, Jannis.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum, Tatum, Anthony Edwards, Anthony Edward.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, that's seven seven that that was eight? Right now?
Did you put Bron Did you put Bron in R?
That's I have not put Bron. So right now he
has Luca, Steph, Joker, Shay, Jason, and Anthony.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
No, he said no to Kawhow.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Katie averaged twenty seven six and four k K k D.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
When you throw numbers k D Kawhi, that's eight with
Katie Kawana.

Speaker 9 (24:46):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Name is James hard Caliburton, James Harden h Yeah, k
cunnaheam k connahell No, Okay, I can't think I'm Donovan
Donovan Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Healthy A d is better than Tyrese Haliburt. I agree
with that healthy, but you got to put an asterisk
to that.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
But Jayson Tatums are healthy and we put him in
the list, but he didn't get Urt to this ship.
Did David is a better than celeb Donovan Mitrill?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, So that's nine Donovan David, I can end it, Donovan,
I can edit Devin Bookers ahead of ty book Kate Cunningham.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
He's good, but no, I got all these dudes is
better good. These guys have morean nothing. I don't know
if these guys are getting bumped in the first round.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I got over. We're not talking about Tyree's Halliburn is
really good.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Team is really good. He's top ten my book. He
didn't do it Sacramento. He didn't do this a second.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
He is a retired this year just based off this
year's performance and him taking a decent team.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
He's a big part of taking the decent team.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
You said last show or two shows ago, you didn't
have him over. Jalen Brunson, Yeah, said oh Ja, so
he's not talking.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
You forgot about Jayleen bro You forgot about a lot
of people, all right. So he's not better than he's
not better than. I'm cool with the top twelve, top fifteen.
I'm cool with top twelve. That's my cool. That's my bad.
That's cool. You can switch off to the bottom thing.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
But he's on.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
He better than bet and Be came and played. Heo,
you played more games and N B and B can't
be talk to. He have he plays half even put
Kawhi in there.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
So let me ask you a question, barely play Let
me ask you a question, though, that is kind of
that's kind.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Of guy, bro. Here's a good one Kyrie this year
Carrie IV tyree a healthy Kyrie. So he ain't top ten.
I said top twelve, correct, you had you had a
bunch of.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Top twenty, top twenty. Thank you, And you know I'm
a big ty Taliban big. He's top in the league.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Top is based of what he's doing this year. You
have to put him.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
If he looks in the top twelve, if he takes
the minium playoffs better than next year than yes, I
got over him. He's not better than winby women with
depot until he got hurt women year over there.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Spending time with the monks too.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, he's on some ship this year.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Him Duncan season better than my Carroll M. Dunking season.
He's better than I think. I think I care him
on the same level.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I might.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
I might take him over bodcast. I'm okay if you
think him over him, but I think they're kind of
right there. But yeah, okay, cool so on, did anybody
have Indiana going to the finals?

Speaker 10 (27:53):
No?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
No, right, okay, so is Tyburn one of the reasons
why they're there for sure?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
But but okay, hold.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
On, hold up, okay, okay, you want to bring up
v hold the whole rack? I got you, guys, didn't
you say they do collectively?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Okay? Okay, okay, G.

Speaker 11 (28:14):
G coach Okay, correct, But listen, O listen, go ahead,
go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
He's still top twelve. That's fair.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Cool twelve cool because look, you can't tell me to go.
He not to go, but he's still to go, you
know what I'm saying. Also, fourteen years ago, it's the
mass won the finals. Today, show to the master win
in that, let's move on. Draymond Green says that Crusoe
is the third most important player on the okay, see roster.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
How do we feel about that? You got a clip
for that. Peter's just slow. Peter's a novice.

Speaker 10 (28:55):
And that's where it gets triggered when you start talking
about third more supportant players, third option, because like one
and two is usually always one to two, that's what
it is, and in the regular season and third it's
usually third, like it's but when you get to the playoffs,
third can be taken out of a series, and five
or six can become more important than three. And I

(29:18):
feel like, when I look at this OKC team, I
actually think the third most important player is Alex Caruso.
Sometimes you run into that in.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
The regular season lou Will, for instance, right like you
got to coach that's agreeing like, yo, we want you
to get this six man award, like, but then when
he gets to the playoffs, he usually go out the window.
And I think Caruso is so important to what they do,
and I feel like you never gain plan for him.
It's so because you don't game plan for him. He

(29:48):
coming to these finals and he he go crazy, But
the reality is he's a champion, so he actually knows
what they expected.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
I agree, I agree with him.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I agree he's one of the He's one of the
important guys. I can't say the third most important, but
he's definitely one of the most important guys because what
he does defensively was he what he does is toughness
for this team, and he he hit open shots like
Caruso is a he's a guy that's been on winning teams.
He's a winner. So we we got to give him that,
give him his flowers.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Now.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Third most important, Nah, their most important is between you
got Shade and you got j dubbed. It's gotta be check.
It has to be checked. Check has to have a
bona fide good game, rebounded, defensively, scoring everything. But then
you got guys like Caruso in them. They have to
do their job.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Off the bitch is his name, Okay said Check for
the first he right right?

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Did?

Speaker 12 (30:51):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
I heard Check was cooking the first half and then
they just stopped giving him the ball.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
But he ended up with plus I know, but but
he played, but he played well.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Though he played well, he missed like the one shot
the whole first time he played.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Draymond Green's point, I think Alice Caruso low key might
be the third. I think I think so because it
goes back to what we were saying though, right Like,
it comes back to the bench and you gotta have
somebody in the bench kind of pick up the slat.

Speaker 13 (31:21):
And we've been seeing that, you know, uh Indiana when
they won those two games, Draymond Green plays. I mean,
Caruso is the guard version of Draymond Green for this team.
That's where he sees a lot of and think about
high in point. Caruso wasn't at Denver Series.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
No saying if he hits, if he hit shots, they
they got it, they probably win the game. I agree
with you. If he hit more shots than when he
when he had twenty, then exactly, I would say.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
But so Chet was Chet was six for fifteen yesterday
he plays. I heard he had twelve points. I heard
he had twelve points in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
He was six or fifteen years today.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, he didn't shoot it that well because he was
six six from three h he was. He started the
first quarter only missing one shot. That means he just
was asked after that, Yeah, okay, so after that after that,
I guess you.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
I mean, but like, yeah, for sure, Like if he
missed six threes, that's a lot of points that you're
leaving out there. Ch That's the most important to me, Bro,
Like he changes this team. It's sort of like Persingers
for Boston last year when Persingers was came back. Oh
my god, that it was not that ship Dallas could.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Do with him.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
There was nothing they can do because the length what
he can bring to him. Put the ball on the floor,
can shoot the ball. And as you can see in game.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Two, Check was elite Jet played very well and he
changed that whole ship and uh, from what I've hear,
mouse Turner turned that ship up. Second half, took the challenge, saying,
well evensively, he turned the defense up, and uh, I
think that that that always helps because you got a
neutralized Check to have a real chance against these guys

(33:00):
because he is and the.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
More and Charlie, you might be right like.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
That might they might have to just do everything they
can to just let these three guys continue to develop
with each other, because.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Check is that good. You know what I'm saying. So
you ain't traded. I don't think Gianna is going anywhere.
That's not my point. Though you say you'd rather develop
them or trade for you honest, I.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Mean I would, I wouldn't trade for honest. But like
I said, I don't think it's going anywhere in my
opinion so quickly. But I think I think Check can
do really a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
He came bullied by Miles because of his size in
the second half.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
It was bad like what I did see, because when
I saw the last five minutes of it, he get stronger.
But so that's why I want to ask you guys,
like you know, Kd's never got bigger, He's got a
little wiry stronger, but you think.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
He's not.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
I'm saying that's asking you, do you guys think he
needs to put on real weight or just get wiry
stronger because he's gonna be bumping with bigs.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
He definitely needs to get struggle that he has to
get better offensively so that people will overlook that. And
what I mean by that is like KD, Right, KD
has been skinny, you know, not really that strong famous staff,
but they still offensively, it's such a threat that I
don't think that that matters.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
But I think Check plays a different role because he's
responsible for bang with Yo playing in the paint, right,
So that's all mask is. Like he's rebounding, he's playing
against Miles, He's gonna play against Jokic, think about it,
He's got a match up with big.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
So it's like it can't be the same as it
can't be, yeah, because I just named like some guards.
Yeah so but you know they also say you change
your body type.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Some players they're just not the same player, Like they
can't handle that, you know, the extra muscle, masks and stuff,
their bodies breakdown.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
So there's an interesting conversation on Chet. What does he do?
You'll figure it out. I mean, he's young as hell, man,
he did what twenty two, twenty three years old?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
He need to play the whole first season, but he's
always injured. It's really only his second season he got
his grown man, he's always injured.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
I would say that, yeah, hey, Ches's gonna be fine, bro,
because at the end of the day, you don't have
to listen. I play against Danilo Gallinari. Yesterday he had
thirty He has nine. Gallous team at the back. So

(35:29):
last night we put we had this really strong dude
on my team named Romeo. We put him on him
and Romero probably ten times stronger than him. Sometimes it
don't fucking matter how strong somebody is. You can use
your body. You can find ways to score. Chest's gonna
have to find ways to just exploit the physicality. Sometimes
being physical don't mean ship you can play smarter. Okay,

(35:52):
as soon as somebody try to bump you go up,
just like Shaye does. That's a foul, you know what
I'm saying. So I think it's certain ways he can
exploit that next series. He's gonna learn from it. And
that's all they come down to. Y'all lost the two
games back to back?

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Is that what I'm hearing? That's what I heard.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
They're the best team in the fucking league.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
And then and then missing, and they missing some pretty
big name. I'm not right now.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
We gotta we gotta talk about what Lou Wilson, let's
let's jump into that quickly. We've heard this comparison before
the next Kobe Bryant. He said that Shay Gilders Alexander
is becoming the next Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
He's in the making. What are you all thoughts on that? No,
I have no comment. I got no no. Shay is
becoming his own version of himself. So I'll give you
the exact warning. We are looking at a Kobe Bryant
being created. I gotta see more.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I gotta see more Brot And he played with him,
he played with Kobe, he did, but he played with
later Kobe too.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
I'm just saying, so yall, y'all just have no comment.
I would say no comment. I don't want to be
like I love Lou will that's my guy, that's my
dog something. But yeah, he's on something.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
On the second He on the second floor. So we'll
move on. You got anything on that, I'm not gonna
cap Bro.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
I think the more we talk, the more we talk
about stuff like this, I think we need to just
stop start letting people be themselves.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
There's never gonna be another Kobe, Bro. Yeah, he's a
how fucked up in the head Kobe.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Was That's what I said. Kobe's a psycho path.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Kobe's a psycho path, Bro, Like he was psycho and
there never be another Lebron James, Like there's never another
Michael Jordan. Those are those are rare people, you know
what I'm saying. So let's just let them be. Shaye
is Shaye. Everyone talks about Shay's or let this nigga
have his little or ship.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, he's because he's such a very unique player and
has a unique player. Bro.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
You can take things with people games, but like, he
doesn't approach the saying the game the same way as Kobe.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
And there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people.
There's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I like that Pobe.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
A lot of people hate Kobe. I don't think I
ever go to somebody like, do you like Shae? No,
one's gonna be like I hate Shape, you hate.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I'm not a Shae fan, but I don't hate the guy.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, why would you hate him?

Speaker 5 (38:21):
If Shae wants three championships before the age of twenty five,
I think people would hate him more.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Put that out there. I'm just gonna put that.

Speaker 10 (38:28):
Yah.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
Yeah, now, yeah, how sick the world is? You win games,
you win championships, they hate you?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Jason Tator, Well, let's let's talk about hate, man, Let's talk.
Let's Peter Clip to the Baja Fates, the Clinton to
the Baja fads.

Speaker 10 (38:46):
On.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Still ain't.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Okay over there? Okay, thel okay, be a peace maker.
What the fuck was you talking? In Spanish and and English?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Right? That deal? I think I think I said all
a couple of times. This is wow. Come on, what
is you thinking is gonna happen? Bro? Man? Come on,

(39:28):
you're gonna fight a whole reading? What you thinking? Let
him go? It's to hold him back. That's the crazy
big dude though it's a large uman, that's a large human.
That's a big dude. Man. Yeah, yeah, give us, give us,
give us the play by play deal.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
The car, and the chat said, so before you go
to the car, and the chat said, I didn't even
know that was steal.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I was with t BO, like, did you see what
happened to Marcus.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
I'm like, yeah, I'll steal that broken up and he's like,
I could have swore I thought, but.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
Always no, bro, listen, it's a bullshit.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Hey listen when I tell.

Speaker 7 (40:05):
You, easily the craziest thing I ever been through, been
in my life as far as like it happened so fast,
but it was brewing the whole game. So, like, y'all,
everybody know Cuz because very passionate guy. You don't give
him calls, He's gonna cush you the fuck out. So
uh they uh the literally the play before, he had

(40:30):
got a tech earlier in the game, so they was
already off of him.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
It was mad as fuck.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
So then the play before, uh Cuz got the rebound,
goes up, gets smacked in the face, I mean smacked
the ship at him.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Then called that down court.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Oh come on, you can hear me. Yeah, So they
smacked him in the face.

Speaker 7 (40:59):
As soon as we go back down court, I'm running
back and when I saw him laying on the ground,
I said, oh, it's up.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I knew it was Curtain's calls.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
I knew it was either he gonna get another tech
or coach better review that ship, and it's gonna be over.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Because I thought this, I thought this, I was black.
I thought he blacked his eye.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
So I turned my head and I'm looking the other direction.
And the first I didn't see the nut grap. I
didn't see that the.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Nuts. Hold on, I didn't someone something wild.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Smell Listen, I don't think I don't smell my hand.
He was giving him the fingers. He was trying to
he was giving no. Look at the video, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Look at.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Put that up the first part of video. There's no
way he said, you smell my hand. No, he's giving
finger because the dude is giving him the finger. So
he's given him the finger.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Back off her, touch his face.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
He just put the finger directly in his face. Yeah.
Maybe it looked crazy to me though, all right, just thought, good,
go ahead, deal I got. I got at that point.
I saw the I saw the middle finger. Boom boom boom.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
And when I saw the we're touching each other, I
was like Okay, we can't be doing all that ship.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
After that happens, there's a guy from behind the front
row pushed him, who comes and pushes him at that point.
So at this point, this is all I see, and
I'm like, nah, bro, like we can't have nobody touching us.
You know what I'm saying. I didn't know all that
happened before, so I didn't see that part.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
The security was non existent.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
When I tell you, I'm looking at the security, I'm
looking at the security.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
They looking at me, security looking at each other. I'm like, yo,
y'all gonna do something. They just looking like what you
want me to do? I'm like, no, speaking, I'm.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Crazy.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
The scariest part about that is if I didn't break
it up, there's no doubt about it, they would have
fought and we would have been in danger of the
whole fucking arena easily like they the whole arena would
have tried to jump all of us.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
No cat territory.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
So we get done.

Speaker 7 (43:36):
That whole situation happens. Y'all see the Marcus, he goes
to the tunnel. We're standing by the bench. One of
the coaches from the other teams like, yo, y'all got
a chill, don't play around here because these fans they
passionate and they're crazy. They would they they don't give
a fuck. And we I'm like, we on the side.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
What do you do.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
We're standing on the sideline and tell these niggas calm now.
So next thing, you know, popcorn, Me.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
And my teammate deliberately saw this woman.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Full cup. It looked like pepsi and it had to
be and it was a woman on God and it
had to be beer or pepsi. I thought it was pepsi,
but we had a basketball game, so it's probably beer.
When I tell you, she absolutely drenched this man and it.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
When I saw that, one of my my teammates flipped
out because when she did it, she started giggling, she
started letting.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
She was like, He's like, no, fuck that get her
kicked out.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Bro. It was like it was a full cup drenched them.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
We played.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
It was like a thirty minute break. We end up finishing.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
We were trying to figure out we're going to finish
the game because it was just hostile as shit.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Apparently the comment.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
The dude at the at the game was like encouraging me,
like he we don't like that ship here, not going
to be touching our fans.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 7 (45:02):
I'm like, look, bro, I'm just trying to play the
basketball game and get home. That's all I'm trying to do.
We finished the game. There's ten security guards helping us
to the tunnel with bulletproof.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Vest I said, Bro, where am I right now? What's happening?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
And in the region?

Speaker 4 (45:25):
But I heard like, like I said, we got to
understand what we're playing at.

Speaker 7 (45:29):
This is their country. We did this, they territory. We
are visitors, you know what I'm saying. We just here
to put on the show and play basketball, and we
are visitors.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
So I hey, listen, I love the Puerto Rican people
were good over here in my book, and it was
definitely one of the craziest things I ever been a
part of my life. Okay, what's crazy is that I
experienced similar situation because you know, I play with the
Dominican Republic team and we actually played and we played

(46:04):
Puerto Rico, and the mistake that I did was to
pop ship. That's a mistake. I started talking my ship
and then got into it with the fans. Same thing,
same sensor situation. I mean, I didn't grab my Nick
Johnson or anything like that, but you know, it's hard

(46:24):
not to get into it because I was cooking too,
and the fans talked shit. They're really disrespectful and at
the end of the day, we're human, so I was
getting disrespectful back. That was a mistake because I mean,
even though it's part of America, we're not technically in America.
They played by different rules in Puerto Rico, So I mean,

(46:46):
I love the Puerto Rican people, but I got popcorn.
I got I gotta get it. I had to get
excorted when the game was over. There was like the
military dudes with shields and I had to get under
it because they were throwing all types of ship at me.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
So the security guards like my size the shields.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Real, I'm talking about life and death situation. You wanna
crack jokes, that's what you do on the goddamn time, na,
So it's serious though, Yeah, it's serious out there. You
have to be careful out there, man. They played by
different rules over there, man, and at the end of
the day, we've grown ash man, bro, Like, this is

(47:28):
not a fucking a twenty year old, right.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
The market is damn near forty right, market's thirty five.
Come on, control your emotion. He was in college.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Somebody giving you the finger? Yeah, who cares, bro, Somebody's
done worse, I'm sure. But to do that, what you
think You're gonna fight a fan and people are gonna
be cool with that? Dude, he would have put it.
You would have not been here right now.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
No, no, no, listen to me.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
Like I've had multiple people I've had I've had multiple
people hit me and just say, thel, you don't understand
what you stopped. That's a fact. Yeah, like like on
no bullshit, no funny ship. They have told like you
don't understand what you stopped that.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Night, like they when we spoke that night.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
They're talking about conversation. They don't, they don't.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
These people don't know each other, but they all feel
like they want big family.

Speaker 7 (48:26):
You see what I'm saying. So at the end of
the day, you mess with one, you mess with all.
And the biggest thing that and what uh CV just said?
Like I said, they they're disrespectful. I had one dude
literally point at me say hey you you fuck you?

Speaker 3 (48:45):
And I was like, damn you like point hey you hey,
literally sought me out. Hey you you hey, fuck you?
And I was like, damn, what what what did.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I do to you?

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I'm over here trying to control the situation. But the
thing is, in those moments you get very rouled up.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
But then you got it.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Like I said, you gotta realize where are you at?
Where are you at right now? And I know, Uh,
the Marcus, he he put out apology about like I said.

Speaker 7 (49:17):
He he's helped me get here. He he loved the country,
he loved playing in this league. He said, it was
very high intensity. It just got really out of hand,
very unfortunate situation. But you know how to get when
you competing CV, especially if you're cooking and you're playing
at a high level and some ship happens like that,
you just want to as hoopers a ray, we know,

(49:40):
we all we start popping our ship a little bit.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
And listen, they love talking. They'll talk ship back, for sure,
they talk. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, I'm glad you played the peacemaker THEO And I'm
glad you know you don't promote violence.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Yeah, we don't promote violence. And it could have been
a lot worse than uh, they could have gotten worse.
You was a big part of preventing that. Yeah, I
appreciate that. Hey listen, we had a to the by
High emergency conference call right that night.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Was just making sure you suh.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Because bro, literally like right when that ship happened, Like
how I found out is a fucking Jacob from Hoops.
He was like, bro, have you talked to Like what
are you talking about? And that's the first like he
sends me. He sends me before they post. He sent
me the videos like oh and maybe like two minutes
later you called the group. I was like, yeah, he
sent it to me, So then I just hit the
I was like what she was insane, Broy, But you're

(50:43):
glad you saved my brother.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Sure, because he's gone though, right yeah? He who you're
picking up?

Speaker 4 (50:53):
No, I talked, we can't pick up nobody. We can't
pick we.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Can't pick enough more forts.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I'll go with this jersey on over there too. Yeah,
you can get they had nobody he's and we lose
the spot too bad position come on the market?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I was, how was the markets after everything? Good?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
With him?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
You spoke? Yeah he could he back at the crib.
Yeah cool, Yeah, that's good. Everybody to Puerto Rico no
more say that much. Yeah, let's list ain't coming back.
Let's come back to after the bron bubble conversation. Yeah,
it was was the bubble, the purest form of hoops.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
So let me okay, remember how I don't know if
Ray was part of the episode. But who grilled me
on why I don't have Brown as my goat?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
It was ste you. Well I didn't grill you. I
just asked why you were you were you had him
as not your goat either? Right, No, he's not my goat? Ray?
Were you part of that conversation? Well, who's the goal?
You ain't gonna yeah, you know, so.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Let me give you guys contact because I couldn't really
answer that, but I did figure it out.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I am.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
It's a stated but you got to stay how I'm
gonna feel about that. It has to do the bad conversation,
right conversation.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
It's because you see greats like MJ and Kobe perfect
the game at such a high level on so many
different skill sets, and I don't feel like we really
saw that from Lebrontos last.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Three four years.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
So no, I don't his turnaround, his jump shot didn't
really improve the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen like his last
five six years. That is why I don't have him
that whatever. That is because I felt he just got
away with his peer raw talent for so long. That's
why I don't have him as my go That's why
that's just for me. I'm not saying it's the right reason,

(52:41):
but that is why.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I don't know. Brown was really fucking good, but he
was so dark. He's not a guy because he doesn't
have a bag.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
He didn't have to use his bag, he didn't have
a His jump shot wasn't that wasn't that great back then?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
He was shooting the ball pretty good in Miami. Well,
we're not here to argue that. I'm just I mean,
was he was? He was solid, he was great. But no, no,
you're right, let's go to a level.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Let's go to Some.

Speaker 9 (53:11):
People say it's like the purest form of basketball being
in the bubble, like this experiment, and then others like, oh,
it's not real at the end of the day, like
you're human beings competing.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
It doesn't matter if you're competing on.

Speaker 9 (53:24):
The moon or in the bubble.

Speaker 8 (53:25):
I agree with a lot of people say when it's
the purest form of hoops. Like it was just it
was strictly basketball, Like it's no, you know, we're we're
all like you know, have the ability to do what
ever you want in life. You know, we've made a
bunch of money. We have all the access you know
that was taking that's gone in the bubble. You can't

(53:45):
just you know, about to go to a restaurant or
I'm about to do this, so I have the you
can't do none of that. Like everything in the bubble
was strictly about basketball. And obviously we was there, you know,
you know, talking about a lot of the off the
court things that was going on, you know, social injustice
atually soutality and stuff all that rightfully so, but when
the basketball portion was the focus, you know, that's all

(54:09):
it was. Like of all my championships, I've won that
level of focus. Like if how long can you maintain
your focus in order to get the job done because
you have all the you have all the reasons if
you want to to get out of focus because you're
so accustomed to a certain lifestyle that you like, the

(54:30):
hell with this, Like I don't want to do this,
Like why am I here?

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Like I don't want to be a part of this, like,
this is not what you know.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
I can't get a certain meal, I can't do this,
I can't see my family, I can't lock in on
like and you can very easily get out of why
you're there.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
I'm gonna say two things, the narrative and the second
thing I'm gonna say is fans are part of the game,
and there's no fans. Agree with that part though, so
I'll let you you guys take it.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
There's no fans at the game.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I probably would have to agree with them, because at
the end of the day, I feel like everybody was
kind of treated equally, right, nobody had an advantage over
somebody else because you all had to do the same
ship couldn't really go nowhere. I had to stay in
the same facility or in the same area, eat the
same food and everything eat the same food, you know
what I mean. So I'm figuring, I mean I would

(55:24):
have to agree with that statement.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
No fans.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
That's tough, bro, that's tough to play without no fans.
It's almost like you're playing in the park type of
type of vibe, but a little bit more organized.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
He got a point low it is we just it's
just hoops all day? Like that's really like there's not much.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
We can do high level AU tournament, Yeah yeah, high
level with no.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Yep, And that's is that not just.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Hoops?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I think the fans are part of the peer hoops
still at the competition level. I think I agree with you.
I think it's the only part they're missing, Like everything
I think. I think.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
I think Ray going into do concealing the game with
all those fans screaming him as part of competition means
something for sure, Like that's that means something to me
as a basketball fan, Like I don't.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
I don't, I don't agree with that. I think pure
hoops is like because my thing is like could you
imagine could you imagine seeing that dream team scrimmage?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
That's pure hoops.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
You know what I'm saying among himself, You know what
I'm saying, Like that that's pure basketball.

Speaker 7 (56:31):
Yeah, like that, that's what I think of pure hoops.
I agree with what he's saying as far as like
you don't got nothing else you could do? No girls,
you know, going out to eat late at night, you
either playing a game, playing cards, drinking wine, doing whatever
with your boys. Standing up like doing other ship like
it's nothing. It's no like going to clubs and none

(56:54):
of that ship. You just you see the team you
just played in the playoffs. Every day you're trying to
figure out how to beat them and all that. That's
pure basketball, bro. So like that, I agree, I definitely
think that's pure hoops. God, could you imagine seeing that
dream team play that pick up game?

Speaker 14 (57:14):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Oh damn Jordan when Jordan's ralls off non straight baskets, Bro, that.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Would have been That's not.

Speaker 7 (57:23):
Like you gotta think even when it even when y'all
came back to Carolina, Ray with the older group, you know,
not the older group that was sucked up with the
with the ogs.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Okay, yeah, yeah, with the O G.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
But what I'm saying is, for example, he won a
championship twelve years after rated it is O G O G.

Speaker 14 (57:49):
Let's definitely correctly except accept what it is. Like you know, coaches,
coaches make it what it was.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Ray was in your twelve when theos Wanta championship in
the league. That's crazy perspective. The fact that he was
in the league is like he's still in the league
at your twelve. That's it. We know that three four years.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
So I'm gonna be honest. Some of the purest basketball
I've seen, Bro.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
It's like when they came back and then we had
our team were not even playing because they beat us.
We watching them motherfuckers play each other and they going
at it like like you talk about you talking about Schamon,
You're talking about Ray matching up. Danny Harrison would come.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Back, John uh Zeller uh t hand like you talking
about you and see greats going at it just in
a pickup. Ain't nobody there except for fucking camp counselors.
I will, Yeah, I would have to agree. I think
pure basketball is when nobody's there and just hoop.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
It's like it just took me back to like I
used to hoop against my brother one on one.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
That's pure basketball. Bro. It's just him and I the
wrestling man talking ship.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
I don't swung a broom at him. Wow, yeah, you're
right it is. But that's pure hoops right there, Bro,
I hear you where we don't which we don't see
no more.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
We don't see that. We don't see that no more.
Like my dad called me the other day and my daughter,
my kids is down there with my parents. So he
just called me. He was like, Yo, I'm just watching
He's watching my daughter out the window. And I just
took me back how he used to watch me when
we used to have twenty twenty five kids in the
backyard and we out there just hooping, just hooping, hooping,

(59:37):
like these kids missed that these days. I was happy
to see that my daughter was just out there hooping
in the neighborhood. They got handles. She's gonna be with it,
Bronna be with.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
Him down my daughter nine years old, she got back,
said she locked into the w bro.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I'm with that little red felt Is she running barefooted
in the world? That was my last question. Barefoot? Okay?
Was not in the woods though I ain't got no
woods in the suburbs.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Okay, just standing out of us, quietly, humble herbs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Okay, you where the money's at? You urge you out
the hood? I hear you should I hear y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I want to say this real quick. Y'all know I
didn't have Brown as my go to twenty eighteen. It
used to be Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
So why do you change? Why you change twenty eighteen?
Brown happened twenty eighteen. Brown was there. What's fucking other world?
That left hand that left going left right handed floater
on the Raptors to win the game. Bro, we're talking
about doing that? It in like year sixteen. Bro, that's
not a bag. Floaders not Jordan played fifteen years. He
didn't have a bag? Is a floater bag? You say sho?

(01:00:52):
You said, y'all mean, oh, I forgot to pull the
y cliffs from Yeah, I forgot to post that. Yeah,
you got a post that post roasted for that Rod.
Don't have a You said, ya don't have a bag?
Don't don't you have a bag?

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
YEA between the legs is that we're not say a
guard bag a bag though y'all may have a bag,
yes or no. If Duncan has a bag to he
has a bad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Has a bag?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Do you just compare Tim dun I'm not going to
say at the same level. But y'all has work, he
has the footwork, he has a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
They got the footwork. But jeff he's looking for Jefferson
got a bad bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Than y'all me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
You agree, but it's a similar Jefferson had a post bag.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Ever to play the game every time. Whatever you want.
He got the show that never went off shoulder.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
But my point is is that y'all has a big
man bag. That's my only point. No, he does not
stop you. Wow, I know you're looking out for your people.
I don't want to take you there. I don't want
to take it there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
You're looking out for your Get that. I was gonna
say that, I mean, I get it. That is your
goal you China.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
No, that is not my goal.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
The bet thing never happened. Is your mean, who's better
than your China?

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Anyways? But no, that's actually good question. Chinese basketball? Yeah,
come video, so I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
In China and anywhere. Who's who you're putting ahead of
y'all mean Chinese?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I got you enter the dragon, Bruce Lee. I was
gonna say, Brucely yeah Chinese. Yeah, I never wanted to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Don't forget Bruce Chinese, not Korean. Stop Chinese, be for real,
real for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Make sure you're looking at for your peoples. I respect it. Anyway,
does not have a back. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I forgot where that you don't go to what you're
supposed to talk about. Yanna's trade talks apparently have no
traction what's all whatsoever?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Do we have a clip for that? No, we don't
have a clip. We just have But.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Apparently they said Yannis hasn't even requested the trade.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
So Wendy said, yeah, when Brian wan Windhurst still.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
And they said, and they said, the Bucks won't trade
him if he doesn't request the trade. So there's really
no traction, they said, none. None of all the rumors
we're hearing are just like rumors, just rumors.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
And so is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
There is a rumor when you just say that's also
had no question of trade, that they're not talking to nobody.
There's no traction.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
There's a lot of there's a lot of traction.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Trust.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I'm just not talking about it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Who's our said, Brooklyn has real legs trust for Toronto?

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Got okay? But you think the Bucks would trade him
without him re questing the trade? He might have low
key with question to trade, but keep it low key.
The business is the business.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I'm just saying. I'm asking a question. I'm not saying
I believe it or not. I'm just asking I would
I would?

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
I would be scared of Toronto though, bro, because miss
oh boy, what's the what's the your name?

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, he don't give a funk.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
He'll do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
He made the mar trade, he made the mellow trade.

Speaker 15 (01:04:45):
He's doing he has some type of relationship back here. Yeah,
I think Jannis likes Toronto. Of course he does. Everybody
likes Toronto except for you and Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah, I don't get joke. I didn't like to fish
because I'm staying in the States like that. I'm joking.
I'm joking. Nobody here said they didn't like Toronto, and
make that very clear, except for Peter. I love to
give me in trouble with draking them. You know what
I'm saying. Anyways, let's get to it. So obviously they

(01:05:19):
say there's no traction. We can smoke smoke. You guys
think of smoking marriage.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
I think it's smoking marriage. They're playing chests while thinking
they're playing checkers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Man, he's going to San Antonio. I think. I think
Katie is going to San.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Antonio broto put them that might put them top three
in the West.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I think Katie going to San Antonio unfortunately, And did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
You want to find a way there?

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yes, Kad, And do you how much as they got
for the Jonte Murray? That's true? What both of them
go over there. They they the champions. I have a feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
They're the champions. If Katie and Johannis go there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
With Fox still be there for one of them Castle,
but like Fox, the Fox still be there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
I don't know if Fox will be there. I don't
think Fox would be I just think those two will
end up somewhere. I think they man in Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
San Antonio and that small, four powerful center LINEU would
be crazy year we've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
No, No, you gotta sign Chris Paul back for another year.
No no, But guys, guys, there's rooms in Toronto.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
David Robinson and and Tim Dunan over.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
But then totally but they different. But then with Katie
on top of that, so puts perspective right. They've said
that they can land in Toronto potentially together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
I could see that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
I just think I just think San Antoni has more
assets and they can make it happen. So I just
feel like Santonio might pull something off. I don't have
any sources. They said Katie want to go to San Antonio.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
He do? He do?

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
I would Fox Kati for sure, because I'm like, I
like Fox and Books together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
That would be nice.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Fox and booking together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
They didn't run together. No, that was leak and Fox
and boy. I like it. Fox and book could be nice.
That would be nice. I like it. MO think traded,
I think I don't think so. You think Our source
says he doesn't think so. So we gotta put something.
You want to say. Brooklyn had real legs.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I did.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
It for me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
For me, I just feel comfortability, Like I feel like
he wants to be like that dirt type of nigga.
I feel that. Shout out to him for that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
But if he don't get traded, if Joannics don't get traded,
you know, on me, catch.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
A catch, catch in the mixture.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Hold if you hear me about the shows, what's expiring.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
By the end of the off season, you're talking about
in general.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
Before the season starts, he's traded the time on it.
That's because you can't just you can't wait to the trade.
They like this year, he said to the season starts,
like season.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Starts, you get traded, get on me and catch if
he doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
So let's let's jump to Let's jump to the one
that I guess everybody's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
The Knicks are running around drunk, calling their access Basically,
I love that. I love that nobody's allowing them to
speak to any coach. Nick, What's what's everybody's thoughts? Because
they fired teams with no plan? How do you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
You had no But my thing is, though, like, why
do you think that a coach that they got locked
in a successful coaches, very good coaches who are at
good organizations, like you think they're going to allow you
to talk to their coach that they don't want to
get rid of just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Because you doesn't make any sisty moving in titles. I
don't even pay no attention, Bro, I don't pay that
no attention.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I'm like this, I think they're oh for six or
seven requests, not even going that Mike Brown and the
old coach from me.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
There's but there's so many good coaches that don't have
Joss bro around. It is a great coach Malone, Mike Malone,
the coach had. The coach has just left Memphis. They
got fired in the middle of.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
To could could for sure be good coaches, But like,
why are you calling go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Get my man, Go get my man, Rondo man and
bring me in on on.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
They great fellon like Rondo New York man, go get
against free where at this point get to sell?

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah? I like that he said last year. I liked that.
I's wrong with Mark Jackson. They blackballed that Nigga does
Mark really? Is Mark really different from TIBs?

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
The way he coached last time we saw him, he
made Steph Cury play one on one isolation ball to
play hard change the culture. Has he really shown he's
that much different than Tibbs? I'm not saying he isn't, man,
I mean I ain't seen Mark and so long, Bro,
I don't know. That's That's what I'm saying. But you
haven't seen him for ten years. So like, go for
something you've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Have you ever seen J. J. Riddick? No? And that's
it works. That's true what I'm saying. So you go
get somebody like Rondo, That's what. But that's what I'm saying,
or Sam Coussell. I think I need a younger, more
centric coach.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I don't think it happened in New York, though I
think it can happen somewhere. I do see Sam getting
a head coaching job. I just don't think it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Will be for the I think, Bro, you you get
a young, centric coach in New York that that changed
some ship up. You get some young game New York.
But I'm we know Samlling is scared of scared of
that job.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
The fact thing that bothers me, though, is how do
the Knicks like, all right, we're gonna get rid of
no plan, have no plan, no backup or no list
of who you're gonna go after the only guys that
they really hated.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
Do you really think Leon Rose didn't have a plan?
We're talking about Leon Rose. I mean, obviously he didn't.
It's looking like it's looking like they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Maybe maybe he.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Just fell apart, But I doubt Leon Rose did not
have a plan. I think I'm gonna give more credit
they had. What the nigga Trump said, I think he
had thoughts of a plan.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
All this stuff is putting up attention, man. Do y'all
really think that New York Knicks think that they can
go have a conversation with a coach that's under contract
and another organization that hasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Got fired, and they're like, that's winning, like good coaches,
coaches that are winning, coaches that have been just in
the playoffs right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Now, that's that's that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Ain't true. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Okay, bro, I think for me, they feel that entitled.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
I've heard I've heard this ship. We've heard too many
damn coaches and it's ship. Ain't Sham's reporting this ship? Yeah,
jus so I feel like they are getting a little
bit entitled. I think they feel like they could contact anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
I'm like this New York.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
But but Ray, you just said it, though, Why would
you contact somebody who a team didn't even fucking fire.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I'm gonna be honest with you. The playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
I'm with you, no disrespect, but a little why the
fuck are you calling Chicago really?

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Donovant? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
You know which one I did like though? I did
like Quinn Snyder Atlanta. I think Quinn's a great coach.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
That was the only one I kind of agree with. Yeah,
I like Quinn. Yeah, that that like. But I don't
know if.

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
Quince Snyder's I don't know if Quinn Snyder's uh personality
fits New York though. You listen your person your personality,
your person your personality gotta fit or they'll run you out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
That motherfucker. Yeah, that's why I think you need a
a nigger. You know the fact that you paying them
thirty million to the wall, don't have a backup plan.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I'm like, bro, you might as well just kept team.
That was the case, But I think I think.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
I mean, did you see what was reported what they
said that Timms didn't scrimmage, which is very normal in
the NBA, didn't work on late game late game plays. Like,
there's just a lot of things I'm not saying THEO
has said on Wax before that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Of people says.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I'm not saying I don't disagree with them Lego to
I'm just saying, like, have a fucking plan, Like, have
something in place.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
I mean, I think maybe I would. They just said
we're moving on from him and then we go from there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Especially because that'sl like Mike thought about it for such
a long time, like they been thinking about it for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
You think Alone will be the next coach of New York.
He should.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
He's from Queens, got a little swag, he got a resume,
he got a chip. Makes sense to me, he's available. Yeah,
I like it, it will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
There's too many goods to New York too. I'm available
to think.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
On payroll to just.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
The sound on payroll. Bro, you said you said, I've
never got He's never said.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Okay see he said okay. No, No, he's never said
to talk to okay see to let you out your contract.
He's never said that, has never said y'all always said that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
We've always said that's never said that. All right, So
back to trade. Obviously, we talked about Katie san Antonio.
We've already addressed that. Let's talk about the Celtics are
really evaluating every single person except Jason Tatum, even Jalen
Brown and Derek White, for the right price can move
from Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
How do you feel about that? I think Derek White
might be gone.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Yeah, they need to make some changes obviously, with Jason
Tatum being out for a long period of time. It's
time though.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Why some things, I mean you can't afford No, No,
I'm talking about like but but but JB.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
I don't think you trade JB. I think it's Derek
White who has to go. Yeah, but they're hearing conversations
on everybody though. I mean because.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
You need but you need a star like Jalen Brown
is the only like star you can trust to be
a number one for the until he's back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
I feel like list So why were you shopping, Jalen Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
I don't know shopping. Sorry, listening to offers my fault.
So as a GM, you got to do your job.

Speaker 8 (01:14:55):
I can listen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Yeah, yeah, true, listen, true, that's somebody. Listen, Rob Plink, listen.

Speaker 16 (01:15:04):
You said sil you ask do it like like I said,
you never know somebody be like, all right, give me
Jaylen Brown, Dereck White, I give you, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Durant for honest, I'll give you honest. I don't like that,
Kevin get like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I don't like Kevin Durant. Listen, listen. I'm just, I'm just.
I'm just johns in Boston. I would do that, but
for j B and Derek what to look at it,
I'll do it. I'll do it for Katie Katy.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
But but if I'm Boston, You're getting more than just
John and sulf Like it's like you for sure if
you get the money work because Jaalen, it's gonna be like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
It's gonna be like Jalen Brown fucking Derek White.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
And I won't let let the White go.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
I'm gonna I'm gonna be real with you gonna be
real because these two.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
What's gonna making three hundred million dollars, I'll just do
it even trade you. You're making more money than.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
They wouldn't trade. I don't think. I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
I don't think either two of these guys are going
anywhere and lessens.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
For your honest Yeah, they're white, might go somewhere for
something else. You're not getting ready. They gotta make the money.
They don't have money.

Speaker 14 (01:16:26):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
White guys.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
You gotta understand. Let me say, Zingis and Drew are
there are also being shopped. They're all being shoped, just
these two are.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Also.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
They're listening to offers, so everybody is on the table
all the term listening to offer is very important.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
That's how it should be. You gotta listen, you gotta
do right, do homework.

Speaker 7 (01:16:49):
It's very unfortunate because you know we right ce, you
know we have our egos are fucking huge. So if
you know you're gonna you're gonna be, You're gonn to
ruffle some feathers. Hey, listen, Jami's heard this ship before though,
you know what I'm saying, like this ain't the first.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Time he's I brought you a ring the finals. Every
that's true. What j be mad about? You got three hundred?
You got three tecond highest contract of all time? What
are you mad about?

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Since somewhere else? Okay, send me there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
They still got to pay me my money. Send me
there and I'll get another big contract.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Track is signed.

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
And the thing is, and the thing is when you're
when you do that, and you're at JB's position, you
could call Brad Brad going on facts and answer.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Just let me in, and Brad Bragg gonna be like.

Speaker 16 (01:17:37):
Look, he might lie and we ain't doing nothing anything.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
We ain't doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Get traded next. Yeah, I've been through it, he said,
I've been through me too.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
Brian, Hey, man, Charlie, tell the story man Toronto Trading. Yeah,
you can tell the story.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
And you want me to tell the story. You heard
it before, but I don't know if these guys heard
it before the audience.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
All right, all right, cool. We finished the season. Obviously,
we didn't make the playoffs. We ended up getting the
first pick and then up picking Bargnani. So I'm like, oh, okay,
you picked Barnani.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
It's me Chris Bosh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
You know, we kind of play similar positions, and I
was like, oh, maybe they want to play all three
of us at the same time. All right, cool, So
I'm hearing my name and talks or whatever. So I
have a conversation with Sam Mitchell was a coach, and
Brian Calangelo, and Sam Metroll's exact words to me, remember
like it was yesterday, is if Michael Jordan comes back
from retirement, it's the only way we traded for you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Mind you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
I had a phenomenal rookie year, first team or rookie right,
he was first team, second.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Team, second team out the forty eight ball. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Yeah, I had a pretty good year. So I didn't
think I was gonna get traded. What now, Brian Calangelo
comes in, have a conversation with him. You're not You're
not getting traded, straight up to my face, we're not
trading for you. It's good that other teams are calling.
That means you're doing something right, but we're not trading
for boy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Twenty four hours, I was gone, trading for you or
trading we're not trading me. They're not trading me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Okay, with less than twenty four within yeah, less than
twenty four hours, I was gone for the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
There.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
So draft day happens. This is draft day. Draft Day
happens now, and we have a little party or whatever.
Woo woo whatever. All right, next morning, I'm out go
back to New York.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Boy. I was gone by the time I hit New York.
So when we got TJ. Ford, Yep, traded me for
TJ Ford. They need a point guard, like it made sense,
but they just did him dirty. Yep gone, shout out
to TJ. Ford.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
I was twenty one years old. Boys looked at me
stead in my face. Two grown men looked at me
in my face, say they was going to trade, not
going nowhere, and boom psych I lied, You're gone. That's crazy.
I was gone, cut through business off. Yeah, I was hurt, man,
that was hurt. I held that one for a minute.
Toronto did me dirty. And then they called first thing

(01:20:11):
when I was I was a free agent. That was
the first team to call me. Get the funk out
of here exactly. Yeah, because they called my brother. They
called my brother twelve oh one midnight and so, yo,
we want to talk to your brother. We want your
brother back. My brother called me. Yeah, they want you

(01:20:35):
back the funk out of here, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
You know if you came back.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
You know what I'm saying, egos, Bro, that was the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
I let my moment. You know, if I came the
red carpet, the loved you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
But I wasn't thinking like that. I was thinking of
my emotions, bro, because Toronto love Charlie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
You know, I wasn't really thinking. I wasn't thinking, man,
I should have went back.

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
So another franchise that has made some very interesting trades
of late Sacramento looking for a point guard, a long term.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Solution to talking about these motherfuckers. We'll just make it quick.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Trey Young.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Second, y'all got the thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
We know who not calling a theophore coaching. That's five
Trey Young or Darius Garland. You guys like either fit
for a Sacramento.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
I like Trey. I like Trey, I don't like I
think needs another needs another place.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yeah, he needs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
I think I think the Why would y'all do that
to him?

Speaker 9 (01:21:45):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
But it's Sacramento, Sacramento, Bro, Like, was the last time
would you do that? The tray bro? Two years ago?
Years ago, three years ago? Like the bean that was
like three years ago. That's not a bad city, man.
Organizations just doing something sacramental. I don't got nothing to
get sacrament Yeah, the fan bases, the fan the school

(01:22:15):
better than bas is great. What you got to get Sacramento.
Don't got that. He's just ripping. I know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
But you but you infern that you might you know
what I'm saying. You know, Charlie was spent that much
time you insinuated. Sacrament is a lot better now though.

Speaker 7 (01:22:31):
That's the fan bases. The fan base is legit out
there now, this fan base is legit. Yeah, that's what
bothers me. I'm like, they make decisions that don't make
no fucking sense. I'm like the fan base ready to
ready to go crazy, and they just do the dumbest ship.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
Bro Burton got a great point though, in the chat.
He says it's just gonna be a treadmill. They ain't
going nowhere they cause it's trade without them. If trade
is there, they can't have them all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
That's a good point, Like they're not like you gonna
do nothing with them exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Actually, Tree Young is a different If you put a
good team around he could do something. I don't believe
something players around him that you have to get. If
you keep Levine, you don't have to give up Levine
or DeMar. You know, I said, I said, themar can't
be on the team.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
See what conference? We can't hear you, bro, No, he
just is just WiFi like And that said, probably what
conference is second? The Western Conferences?

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
The fuck the Alright, we're moving on. The last time
Sacramento was great was Chris Webber White Chocolate Lott d Box.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Was on the team. That's with back baby too.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
You're talking about gods, the teams, the teams in the vision, right,
they play together. The teams in the vision is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
They gotta play.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
Lakers, uh, Clippers.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
I mean, listen, Booty right now. But yeah, Phoenix, he'll be.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
Yeah, all right, we're moving on from Sack. Moving on
from Sack. Listen, we have to talk about it. I
don't really want to talk about too much. You guys
putting any stock in the Slim Luca, all the pictures,
you'll put a stock into it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I'm rolling though about it. It looks good coming in coming.
But don't we see this every single year? Camp says,
we see this every year, not like this. I don't
know if I've seen him this slim, Yeah, early on
in his career.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Listen, he's he's coming to Look, there's a lot of
shipmen said about his weight, about his conditioning and all this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
And that defense in l A. Bro Nick Sam's in
l A. But they got restaurant. There's a lot more.
There's a lot more more.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
I'm just making a joke. I know the vegan out
there at Texas. You know what I'm saying, spots in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
I'm buying. I'm buying. You're buying. Buy some stock, buy
some stoff race.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Because the Lord works in mysterious ways.

Speaker 7 (01:25:17):
Luca gets traded and feel disrespected, doesn't go the way
he's supposed to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
He finally gets the summer to himself.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
That's a fact.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
This is probably his first summer he's had to himself.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
He didn't go far into playoffs, he didn't go to
the NBA finals, he didn't have I don't think they're
doing anything with his national team.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
I think he is in there your basket this year.
Am I tripping? Yeah? He is playing. He's playing. At
that point. At that point, he still had two months off.
Remember he even you're having that helps him. He had
a kid born last year too.

Speaker 7 (01:25:55):
Even that helps him because now he's working out to
get ready for that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
So he has to get in shape, he has.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
To do those things. And let's but then you can
go into the season and let's been good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
And let's be real. He's working out with a machine.
You think he's not not picking up with Lebron when
Lebron is doing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Get him.

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
They had conversations. They had conversations. There's no doubt about it.
Lebron and have I had a conversation that Lebron is like,
look o, d I'm gonna be completely honest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
I got one more good run in me mm hmm
to lock in twins.

Speaker 7 (01:26:30):
Let let let's rock. Let's make the best of this
ship and see what happens. They're gonna go get Clint Compella,
Clin Copella going to the Lakers. I don't give nobody
saying yeah, that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
They need to like that with the Lakers. Not more
than one, damn. For what I'm saying is they're gonna
get more. Can't catch no, no, not like not like okay, okay,
I just say we're gonna disrespect. They're gonna get more
than one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Big though, Like so if you get if you get
Stephen Adams, if you get them if you get Steve
O as a backup center.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
That they said Walker Kess's name has been tied to them,
to Kessler, it's it's some big it's gonna be in LA,
it's gonna be going.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
So I'm buying. Stop, I'm buying because I think Luca's
gonna have a rebound year.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
I think you do that. Maybe get like another wing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
They good heavy first team next year having a rebound years. Yeah,
same because how many points he average.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
He's still i know, having like twenty seven every eight points,
you're having a rebound year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
But that's just to tell you how it's a bad year, right, No,
that's a bad year. That's a bad Yeah, like Kadi
averaging twenty six point six is a bad.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Year for Yeah, y'all talking about KD and top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
That's crazy. Twenty seven points, Yeah, a couple, it's a
bad year for you. Gotta talk to Charlie. Twenty seven
a bad team. I don't care. He's will do that
shot fifty. You know, he's still shot fifty from the field.
Your young top ten. But we ain't talking about team success.
We're talking about players. He shot fifty from the field.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
But young top ten KD can average eighteen points, he
can eighteen points. Again, he's still top ten in this league.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Okay, if you let me ask you this question. Let
me ask you this question, Charlie. So, when DeMarcus Cousins
played on the Sacramento Kings in the average twenty six
and twelve? Was he not?

Speaker 10 (01:28:20):
Was he not?

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Was he not a better player than someone that was
on the winning team? He's not? Was he not better
than was he talking to you? Was he better than
Paul millsop? All myself was on the top team in
the league. Who's better?

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Bookie?

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Okay, all right, that's that's the only thing. That's the
only point everybody trying to make here. Okay, But was
the was in top ten that year? Who's talking about
the Marcus Cousins? You said Cousins, I said Cousins. Okay,
was he top ten?

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
He might have been when he might have been a
top top fifteen player in the league because it was
he who was the Who was the best center?

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Who was the best center that year? I don't know,
I don't know. But anyways, I'm just making a point.
Winning winning does not the fund does not the.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
If yes, it does, Bro. If you have age twenty
seven on the bad team. That's sexy, that's dope.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
You top ten, you don't have no pieces around you.
But but I don't care what I mean. I understand
what you're talking about, but you got to understand the
names you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Kevin Durant, Yes, and I'm not talking about difference career.
I know you're not his career, talking about now, right now,
right now, right now, today's MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
He's still top ten in today's in today's NBA basketball,
Kevin Durant is still top ten in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Evan Mumble is not better than Kevin Durant. He's not.
I'm just saying no, he finished top ten. If you
if you put a poll out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Right now, Kevin Durant is still top ten right now
in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
He's flirting with being out of one. Let's put it out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Let's put it. Let's ex check.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
I mean, right chat, is KD still top ten right now,
right now, right now, right now, EASi league, Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Let me ask a better question. It is Kevin around
the top three scoring in today's game right now, easily
top three dollars. I think it's just only one person
who's saying that I think it's only Shaye that's ahead
of him for me, definitively as ahead he's no's not

(01:30:27):
ahead of him. I have share ahead of ahead of him. No,
I don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Yeah, is not a bad shot for kat There's not
a he'd a bad shot for Katie on the flour
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Katie is not a bad shot. I'm not mad at
twenty seven and that was.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
A down year shot fifty for the season. Katie is
a top two score in the league. You can put
share him. That's for me, Bro, right now, right now,
Come on, Bro, I literally watched both.

Speaker 11 (01:30:58):
I only watch kat bo Hell, Charlie, let's pull, let's pull,
let's pull back.

Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
We're talking about score. We're not talking about winning. Right now,
you're saying he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Score.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Charlie, you need a bucket right now. You the bucket
right now, point a laser to the.

Speaker 12 (01:31:15):
Earth and make Beasley then stop. Bro told me talking
about even might be even with say k d Come on, man,
they just asked Mike the other day, he said, could
you beat Kevin one on one? He said he has problem,

(01:31:36):
said mellow. He did not say said he was confidence
with Mellow. He said k might get he was confident. Mellow, Yeah,
and I think Mellow might be the most lethal one.
Mellow responded to what Melo said, and see you gotta
go on seven PM. I gotta I gotta go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Hold Onton brings up k D had another top twenty
player on his team.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
I'm talking about winnings. We're talking about scoring. When he
was with Brooklyn. What did he do with no one?
Whenever I got hurt, when everybody got hurt? He everage
was Steve forty. He played forty forty the whole series,
win the whole series.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
With double book on his team. He's still average twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
We're not talking fifty playing on fifty percent shooting. That's
not his talt that went on him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
We're talking about win, Bro, we're talking about school.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
They didn't have a center.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
Talking about scoring, but winning has to play a rolling center.
But not for that question, they didn't have a center either. Actually,
you who's is he top three in scoring? You said no,
Nick Reaches was a starting center.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
I don't think so, Bro, He's not a top three scoring.
He could be the best.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
He could lead the league in scoring every year if
he wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
He don't if he because he don't need he did.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
You see his sweet he stopped care well scoring after
he won his fourth scoring title.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
After he won his fourth and you can still do
it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
His game has changed at all. Katie can average thirty
five for a whole season if he wants to. You
know that. And you can't say he can't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
KD for my man CV, come out this year, average
thirty thirty three, average thirty three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Fund this year for my man CV. Just do it
funny in San Antonio.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
He'll do it in San Antonio, all right, where at whatever,
either in Toronto or San Antonio.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Wherever he go, he can average it. He'll be in
Toronto or we're purely talking. I think k might go.
I think KD might go to the Knicks.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
Hey like they get if they get the right coach.
I think he put on he put on that next jersey.
It's got to be are you are you trading care
for for KAD?

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
No, they're not. They don't need trade. What are you
gonna trade Michael Michel and who else?

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
I'm probably trading OG and whatever whatever assets I have, OG, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
But you gotta keep either O. You gotta keep one
of them og or.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
I think you probably trade they probably be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
I don't think. I don't think Kevin Durant's price and
it's Native Center. What better center you're gonna get out
of it? No, no, I know, but I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
I don't think Kat is a fair asking price, just
as the age difference. But anyways, have we just seen
Ad get traded for Luca?

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
It's not the same. What are we talking about? Years?

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Not the same?

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
That is that is exactly the same. That's exactly the
same seven years. It's not the same. Cat not thirty thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:34:18):
Okay, cam, let me give you, Let me give you perspective.
Kat Katie maybe got two three good years left. Two
Kat has at least a good eight years left seven years.
At Hes has a good what five years left? Six years?

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Two to five? Two to six. There's a difference. At
Ad got six years.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Left for real?

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Bro, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
I gets hurt every year?

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Anyways, you don't think he's playing until he's thirty thirty six,
thirty seven? Good? Yep, high quality top ten basketball? Think
he's thirty seven? How old is Anthony Davis thirty one?
Thirty two? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
So five six years.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
I'm twenty nine, he's not thirty. You know what, people,
he's my age. He's ninety two, so he's thirty three.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Yeah, he's thirty three. Whatch think he's thirty three? We
did try a twenty six year old four to thirty.
I hope y'all do do that. Yeah, yeah, okay, we
did do that. But Katie, Katie's thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Like, I just look at it differently.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
You're you're really at the end of your basketball clock
around thirty seven thirty three. You're not at the end
of your basketball clock. I mean, how old is the
barn you're using one anomomally he can he can.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Katie can play till he's forty all right, coty one
may if you want.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
We can disagree on that. I just got two quick questions.
Where the hell does Ben Simmons go? I saw a twee.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Does Ben Simmons go? Guys corneachi wa? Does he?

Speaker 5 (01:35:42):
Is he still in the league next year? They got
a spot in Rico? This was right, He's going to China.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
You see how fun that? He says?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Ja he trys go Giana Craze.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
That's crazy, Ben Simmon. I'm not selling what Ben Simmons
gonna go. You ready, he gonna go to stay, Ben Simmons, Shoot,
Puerto Rico.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Simmons, work on your s. You're not gonna speak that ship, right.

Speaker 8 (01:36:24):
Me?

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
No, black Puerto Rican and got be taking a boogie spot.
He going to p R. You going to d R
anything that ends with our I think he I think
I think he'll play with a team going. I think
he should go. He always shakes his head against He's

(01:36:46):
gonna be a naoma.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Oh no, Israel, Israelism. I don't know what they speak Hebrew.
But Israel really get ready to sign him to a

(01:37:09):
historic contract. They said, pat Man, No, they they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Wait. Didn't you see if port Russian West.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
Book they're going to offer him a store? Yeah fifty
that's not That was a lie. That's not that's that's
what I heard.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
That was.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
That was so you know, saudis or doesn't happen in Europe.
If it wasn't Dubaye, I believe it. But it was
in Europe. That don't happen in Europe. The maximum deals
in your by Thay like five is wow. Actually I
could be wrong, but I just would you take it.
It's it's like, would you take it? Do you think
Russell for three years guarant Israel away from his home?

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
I ain't going to Israel right now. You see what
THEO got a deal with When you're out the league, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Going to you want to? Right? Three years? Fifty but.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
Right right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Got because that Nigga Rinaldo took like how much money
to go to guitar. I think he was like seventy ms.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Yeah, yeah, I would go to guitar.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
But it's but but but it's more.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Than that though.

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
It's the houses all played for luxury cars, everything everything.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
Yeah, but that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
But but that's not talking about that's a different thing.
You're not paying that. Europe is not paying that. I'm saying, don't.
They don't got that the war right now, they don't
got that oil money. Dan, I got a all right,
hold on, hold on, hold on because I had to
look this up. I was talking.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
I was over here type and I was doing my ship.
Frans walking the top ten player. No no, what no
scoring is lead? No, but that's he was a top
ten scoring. No one saying about him. I'm just putting
it out there. Yourself were shutting it down.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Already he was. And as you said, say and as
you said to me, I'm answering your question.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Everyone said, no whose top ten scores? KD wasn't even
scores in the league because the league don't play no
defense no more.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
I'm just saying KD was not a top ten but
he shot twenty seven and he's not. There's no way
he's not top time forty nine.

Speaker 14 (01:39:25):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
In my scenes, you're your tripping bro. Jason Tatum was five,
Kevin Drat was six. What are you talking about, bro, Broy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
You just got the song playoffs? Yeah, yeah, in the playoffs. Alright.
Last question before he wrapped the show, Charlie Fop First.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
Yeah, is Damian the top ten scoring in the league
when he's healthy? Yes, he's a top ten scoring league. Yeah,
don't yeah, Dames, that guy all right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Were about we're about to put ray on the spot
Exhibit one. Peter not doing it? Do you better come on,
I I don't care what you have to do. Come
on right for the people that she.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
That she.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Get that ship out of here that I like, sheet
and handsbro, get up out of here. Cut him. In college,
we just college. We talked about college. College okay, and
then exhibit the last exhibit.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Ra Okay, your job was easy. Okay, right, this is easy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Start bench cut, start, cut, start. Imagine who you started?
Who you cutting.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
Starts Tyler Hansburg is cut, okay, but who you starting?

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
Okay? Ta carefully, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
I'm rocking with my big fellow, who I play with.
I'm gonna stay loyal to the game. Okay, Sean May
starting and and she coming up the bench.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Disagree Listening's she my big bro with you? But she
know me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
I'm riding down who I went to school with, and
that's who I'm rocking the world, who I went to
war with. Every day I'm rocking with Sean May. That's
my opinion. Who gives a fun with anybody else?

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Think I respect that he rocking with who you went
to war with. You rock with who you went to
war with? Because you piking b g over Reellen. It's
kind of it's kind of the same thing, to be honest,
it's the same thing. Did she win it? Really? It's
kind of the exact same thing with.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
You, loyal Cat your a former my teammate, bro, you're
a former tar heill Field.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
What you got what you got. You ain't got no
loyalties in terms of you got.

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
Yeah, we're gonna get an honest opinion for you. Come
on us, and we're talking college careers. Tyler is the
all time leading scorer. So let's not disrespect I'm not disrespecting.
I'm just I'm just I'm looking at just more than
just college. I'm looking at careers and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
So we're only talking college.

Speaker 7 (01:42:18):
I'm gonna be real with you. Uh, Tyler can't do
ship with Sean May uh. And Tyler hans Bro is
really good. We know points.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
I probably cut Tyler. That's crazy. We're gonna cut the
scoring leader. That's what he is. Crazy, We're cutting. He's
trying to bring up the Kevin Durant argument again.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
You saw. I ain't gonna you feel me. You're okay,
You're not good for genius Sho didn't shine? Did she
leave early?

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Mm?

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Hmmmm? Did they what? She left way earlyer than we did.
She was only two years yeah, yeah and Sean was three.
She was so scoring later?

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
Hey, listen, if we were talking about accolades, we know
who won that for sure. We talked about pure who
we picking? I got, I gotta cut t hands. I
am bench ching.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Ship.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
It's a tough one. I was gonna put it's not tough,
but go ahead, I was gonna put on. I would
have been asked as we'll ask you after. Yeah, yeah,
you asked me. This is tough. This is tough. I'm
gonna be honest with you. I got a bench. She
and I gotta start. Uh, Sean, listen, then, Sean, coach you.

(01:43:58):
He coached me.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
You buy this day if I hey, listen, that motherfucker
called me and cuts me the funk out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
I just told to him yesterday. Yesterday they're playing playing
Charlie trying to go again, Sean, because he put works
on them?

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Who put works on me? Act? Sean, what happened with
de Seanna Bobcat's workout when it was just me and him?
There we go about him. But if y'all want to
that your hoops. If you she came back and full,
that was your hoops.

Speaker 10 (01:44:39):
It was just him and I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Sean, who they draft at who they draft?

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
I mean they did end up draft Hold on, Wait
a minute, hold up, wait a minute, hold up, wait
a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
He was already going on the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
I was already gone off the board. You didn't see
what I'm saying. Okay, I was again, I'm gonna say
the again. I thought I was going number five. You
thought she was going.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
They made a.

Speaker 4 (01:45:03):
Mistake and Ray found. They wanted to peer hoops they
when they got Ray found. So I respect Charlie, man,
I put she number one. Man, what was you talking
about right now?

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
I respect. I wasn't old enough to watch she respect.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Come on, if you look at she Sean though Seant
only watched Sean and I've been.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
I'm not I'm not rolling. I'm not rolling with I
was careful Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
I'm cutting Tyler, Okay, Bench and Sean. She come on, man, yeah,
I was young. So you're rolling with Sean and Tyler
was I saw, No, No, I ain't doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
I rolled with Sean to start because I watched on
play the Myth and Legend of Sheets, and I watched.
I mean, I'm cutting Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
I mean, if you if you're saying Tyler doesn't want
to get cut, I'll cut Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
But it's crazy kind to do the most. But if
I put an one there, does it change? Because over
play the four. Yeah, I just tryed to That's why
I didn't put it. But I was almost we need
to put a point guard, and put a point.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
I couldn't because raised there. I wasn't gonna do that.
We got shooting guards coming up or small.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
For Ray asked me, Ray, who else the point guard?
You talk hold?

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
We could go we could go kindle uh Phil, I
mean uh, coda and tie.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Yeah, we'll say it for another show.

Speaker 5 (01:46:46):
Keep me, keep me out of keep I left you
out of I didn't bring it up purposely, and then
we'll bring the last exhibit up and listen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
I don't like them. Yeah, we know nobody's questioning. We're
gonna see right now, nobody's questioning that. Hey this is
that's not real. Ain't no way right?

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
Because I was the clips show the clip one more time,
more time. This is the two thousand and five season
in reviews. I was not with the last the clips.
That's it's right, and that was off the.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Verk the level. That's the last clip was shot with
the main man. Huh, bro, Bro, you're gonna get to
the edition. I want to know.

Speaker 5 (01:47:41):
But I was when I was fighting on the Clips
of Sewan. It was this two thousand and five, like
two hour documentary.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
So I saw, yo, no bullshit?

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Pull the clips whose story I was on Netflix, and
I put on some ship pop. The algorithm knows what
the going on. Some ship comes up and it talks
about the beef. Not to bring up old ship, but
I do want to know this because one of the
things to do I forget who it was he talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
There is no way y'all too weren't cool. Bro, Yeah,
y'all gonna hugging, y'all rolling, y'all won the chip, y'all
rolling on the floor together.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
If you didn't hear it, if you didn't hear me
talk about it, I had no problem with you until
he started talking about us. So okay, his beef with
coach Willims, they ain't got nothing to do with Raymond, Like,
I don't get into other beef. What you gotta do.
I got my own relationship with coach. He got his
own relationship. Whatever he thought about coach, whatever he feels,

(01:48:37):
that's on him, that's his opinion. When he started attacking
our team, us like the players like, when he started
doing that problem, that's when I came out d I
would have spoke about this a long time ago. He
did this on ESPN years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
I'm talking about when you guys were together a lot cool.

Speaker 5 (01:48:56):
Rage never said he had a problem. That to a
dumb mast stuff about we listened. They listened to jay Z.
I listened to jay Z that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
I was listening to a little Flip. I was nigga,
you listen to jay Z.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
That's you. I listened to.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
Listen Flip.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
He was the rapper Mike Jones. Hold then, what years
is this? Two thousand and four, two thousand, two thousand.
It was hard.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
I came into two thousand and two, their team. When
I came to thousand five.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
Jaz retired two thousand and three, right, but jay Z.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Still was out though he was listening to Reasonable. That's
what little Flip cash money. All them was hot.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
I know, I know, I'm just saying.

Speaker 10 (01:49:37):
That was my error.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
I just wanted to put on during Yes, okay, that's what.
That's respective that they were cool because they listened to
different music. That was I just thought what he was talking.
I thought he was just saying he was he was
better than jay Z. That's all I was asking.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
He was one of them dudes. He was one of
them dudes. He separated himself, so he would like, we'd
be like, all right, bro, we go out tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
He wasn't with it. He would be, but he wouldn't
go with us. He'd be already in it with some
of his partners. He was one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
But we was cool though, Like, I mean, at the
end of the day, Bro, I'm gonna go to battle
with anybody. We're gonna go battle. We're gonna do our stuff.
But if we don't hang out outside of that, I.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
You know what I'm saying. I've had teammates like that.
Everybody had team like that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:22):
There's a lot of guys that just not in college though, Bro,
Like in college, your kids, bro, y'all fuck with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
I mean we did. You mean, like it's different in college.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
It's hard for me a positive but you know, but
of course he probably gonna have his own perspective of
it now because he feels the way he feels now.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
When we was in school, we all kicked it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
We all was cool. We used to go work out together.
We just go down to the gym and work out.
We used to play pick up. We used to play
one on one like come on, bro, like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
He just the other the day they got that ring
together to ring together.

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
Yeah, you guys got any last words? Charlie a little
too much North Carolina for you look too much?

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
What's what you got it?

Speaker 5 (01:51:03):
By the way, what's all him and Kad? By the way,
I don't have no problem with every single time we
say trade for Katy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Ain't no talk, yo. No. KD is an amazing player. Bro,
He's thirty eight years old and he's still averages twenty
seven points on fifty shooting. And y'all wanted to trade
young pieces for that. We ain't talking about that right now.
We're talking about the top ten conversation. Nah, but but
you're talking about the whole k D ship. Yeah, that's

(01:51:29):
what Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
Cool?

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
Is he phenomenou He's a phenomenal score. Would you trade
for Brin? No, that was trade for Bron Bron got
one more year? Say like, you're gonna give up a
young player for Broun right now? No, I'm not depending
on the team. In my opinion, what young player. If
I have to give up Lively for Brown, I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
What the hell?

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Hey, guys, that's been a today. That's the end of
the Show's been because this man here is talking about
correct Lebron.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
Okay, so y'all gonna give up I give up Lively
and picture Bron give him Cooper?

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
No, no, we never said give a Cooper. Are you
giving Cooper for Lebron?

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
Lebron James said, I will come to Dallas right now.
I'm fucking getting rid of the number one pick. Talking
about really, Peter.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
About your opinion the.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
What are you talking about trading Cooper for Lebron? Yes
or no?

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
I don't know if I give up Cooper exactly. All
I'm saying is I'm definitely listening.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
But but here's the extreme Washington. You are a Laker.

Speaker 5 (01:52:44):
Here's extreme side. Though Charlie wouldn't give up Derek Lively
Bro for Lebron James. I give you p J and Lively,
but he's shaking and said he wouldn't do it for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
Bro, Can you imagine you get your you get you
a point guard?

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
Kyrie Bron? Carrie, I.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Say we signed Chris Paul Low contract him Bron coming, Yeah, Bro, Kay.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
Rock on the wig in the middle, and you got Cooper.
I'm Hooper flag. I'm just not a fan.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Show.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
That's not a fan of trading a young talent for
someone that's already won two years.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Max, I just won't do it. We're not competing for
the finals with Lebron James. I'm I'm not doing that.
Ray is ready ready to get on the show? Are
we not competing? And will Lebron not playing another year?
Is that actual chat? We don't need to ask the
chat convers.

Speaker 5 (01:53:51):
G Hey, this is what I would say. At the
end of the day, we know how how rare the
championship is right close. At the end of the day,
we know how rare winning a championship is. If you
put your team in a position to win a championship,
you gotta do that getting Lebron James put you next.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
I'm just not trading young talent. I'm just not trading
young talent for a guy that money used for one
to two years.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
Oh man, Lebron.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
James, we're talking about the greatest of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
The Mavericks have one champions Let me have it, Let
me have it, your sign, let me have it your
cam trying to slide one in there. The Mavericks have
one championship, not five, not six, not seven. That one
that was kind of cramble as. Wow, that's all I'm
gonna say.

Speaker 5 (01:54:46):
They got one? All right, we signed up. Appreciate you
for listening on Monday. I mean only there's only game
game four on Friday, then game tomorrow. The game five
is on Monday, right, so would be one game to
we're back.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
I got tomorrow. We ain't picked the game. That's easy, okay.
I mean I got Deianna, but I got I said it.
They split it? Right? What you got? Cam? All that?
I got Indiana? I got it, I got Indiana.

Speaker 5 (01:55:22):
I got okay, see, but I'm praying Indiana wins. Yeah,
I got pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Can you want to put a hunch on it? Cam
hasn't put on a single dollar on the show yet, Damn,
I don't gamble, you don't. That's fine. I'm just saying
he hasn't put a single dollar on the show. If
you notice. I remember Ray put the money up for
him on the New York Bat.

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
And we won.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
You did? You gotta tell the yet, I can't pay it.
When you get back from the rico.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
When I get back, what do you see?

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
What do you get back? He gave you?

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
You want to buy that, I'll buy you that and
I'll collect from him.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
Hey is doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
Don't ever take it, Charlie, don't ever take off his business. Mindset, bro.
I swear to God, I'll buy you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
You want to he owe you? You want to invest?
How much he owe you? An two hundred? Give you?
I give you. It should be to give you. It
should be too. But he came out here. I'll give
you fifty. I'll give you fifty and then I'll take it.
I'll take that good. The're gonna pay it, brol Good.

Speaker 5 (01:56:31):
I mean the record right now, I'm not tripping. I
was giving him a hard time. How we gonna disrestruct
my boy? And I can hear good for it? Gave
your hard time.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
You don't pay you? What happened? You get a vict
get questions? What rights? It's been over?

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
My I had an agreement when he gets back in
the been over that. I haven't gambled since. I mean
since I been money on Josh Green to score a points.
He scored zero in thirty minutes. That's the last time
I charge Green.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
That's tough. He was averaging eight points a game in
the season. You mean j Green? No Charlotte, Charlotte, and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
He played the most minutes of the game, including over Luca,
and scored zero. I remember he told me that, I
said I will never scort again.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
That was three years ago. I was so serious about that.
This is one of the first times I actually met Cam.
But yeah, all right, y'all, we'll see y'all Monday. Shout you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
You played this weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Right, No, we played tomorrow. I'm free on Monday, though.
Youah play a wack team and I need a dub field.
We need a dub We need a dub tomorrow. Legacy,
we need we need a twenty five legacy. Would you
do last game? Last game on nineteen nineteen?

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
You My usage was crazy yesterday almost came up with
a hammy at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
Usage rate was high. Okay, hey listen, No cat was.

Speaker 4 (01:57:57):
A forty minute game. I played thirty eight Damn damn
brom thirty eight minute game.

Speaker 3 (01:58:04):
Way, oh, Mike, right now? Everything?

Speaker 4 (01:58:07):
Oh man, I bro.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
Alright, l we need a game from you though, man, alright, game, alright, peace, alright,
peace