Tyson Chandler joins the show, does James Harden has the greatest season in history?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, welcome back to the motherfucking Baha.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
We are back.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Uh my boy Ray is out of town today. Pink
slip early. It's reasonable, is it conducting business? That's reasonable?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Hold, if we're talking business, we signed some contracts. You
you guys have some appearances. You're asking miss we didn't
sign that.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Don't be missing something anyway, legally, legally.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
To do shows.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Listen, I was making that brand.

Speaker 6 (00:47):
Probably right if he gets a pass with business.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
But we're back.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
We have my boy c V here, sure, National champion, yeah,
con yeah, school, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
All right, we got my brethren. Had a tough day yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I had a tough we We're.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Gonna get there. We're gonna get there.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Very very special guests here today, people, very special guests California.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I have known him.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
When I think of Tyson Champs first, first and foremost,
nineteen nineteen year bet NBA champion, done it at all levels,
best big coming out of high school. They say he
was a guard. I got to see the film. No,
I don't know about.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Where your guard. Where your guard?

Speaker 7 (01:39):
He was the rock he was, he was getting he did.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
We miss some accolades. Go ahead, he's all n B
A first team All Defense Defensive.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
Player of the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Give me flowers that ship.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Americano I'm surrounding two times, mister basketball Kelly.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's the most impressive thing on that list.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
That two times times as a junior in the city,
as a wing, as a wid Hey, listen that CP.
That pick a roll with us c P was dynamic. Listen,
preston city connection.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Charlie's hating right now about we got a clip on it.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Charlie didn't get back. We gotta go. We got real hectic,
real hectic plays.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I want to dress something quick, right.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, we we we we you know, we talk things
we talked about off camera. I got no prime talking
about camera that. I was just shocked.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
You were you were running back, but we're gonna running back.
We can talk about the question was, does y'all mean
have a bag?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
You want to take it back here?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
In disrespect that all time. Let me give you some context, contest.
Let me understand, we were we were talking about who
has a bag? Right, and obviously the Asian guys, we'll
try to throw his people in the mix.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yo people.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
He tried to throw y'all me. He caught me off guard.
I wasn't prepared. You know, I played against y'all maybe
a few a few years and I was like, no,
he doesn't have a bag. But after I saw some
clips and after that I sat on there a little
bit paused.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I was WHOA. I was like, Okay, I have to
say that I fucked up. That's my bad. Y'all man
got a back, y'all got a back? Ya I mean,
because y'all may have a back. Absolutely, y'all is one
of the most skilled bigs to.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
Ever come to WHOA.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Elite, WHOA one of the one biggs to ever come
through the league. Absolutely, I'm standing on it over el one.
I'm not saying all of that. I said one, does
Shock have it back? Shack? Shack is just a beast

(04:07):
bag young he's skilled. Actually, yeah, we've seen yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like if you're going with the big homies, like I
feel like it needs to be a different type of
criteria because we're not talking Kyrie bag. Of course, we'll
be talking about big man bag. Like, yes, so does
Tyson Chandler have a bag?

Speaker 8 (04:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Not NBA Tyson.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
No.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I did my job. He did a job, and that's
why he did his job.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
That is, and we talked about it. We talked about it.
Nineteen sound good, It would have sound better. He would
have run better, what he would have run better with
great reasons though, great reason to do it. But at
the same time, it's like, you get nineteen points, it's not.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
But I'll make your category a great category. Yes, I
think it's nineteen. That's I don't know who else in nineteen,
but I stopped there.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
What's crazy is that the list is short of guys
that played in the league for nineteen bears.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Oh, by the way, you're massing you on air, Burt,
he said Charlie, showing some cognitive flexibility.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
That's your man's bro.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Let's let's moving on. I appreciate the beard though, appreciate
the beard.

Speaker 7 (05:31):
Love heyo.

Speaker 9 (05:32):
But by the way, what was it like coaching deal?
I mean, you were you know great, Yeah, if that's
what you want to call it. What was it like
being to do the same thing.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
You have to tell you.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
We had to bring energy, were bringing it, bring energy? Okay,
I didn't know that was the ultimate blue guy. Hey,
I got respect for blue guys, got some very important
part in the league. You know what I mean? You
need that glue guard people just gonna keep the locker
room together, you know what I mean, guys, is gonna

(06:06):
go all out do all people in practice, keep people honest,
you know what I mean, and be ready when it's
when it's number is called. Now you need that. I mean,
I appreciate that anytime.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
And I hate this when people are like, oh, this
player is not good, that play like making the NBA
is fucking I hate to hear that. I would never
call another NBA player trash or he's not good or this,
that and the third because at the end of the day,
if you look at his resume in college, he was
the man.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
In high school, he was the man. You're taking a
lot of people.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
That whether man from their respective college and high school
and you're putting them all on the team. So each
and everyone has to have a different role. We have
to change our roles. I mean, there's only one fucking basketball,
right we can all be stars. So you know, we
gotta salute that and respect that and give our flowers
to those that are the glue guys. So for sure,
I want to think back on that. I'm not even

(06:56):
talking about me. I'm talking about just because we got
Tyson on here with us today. We just talked about
him having nineteen years in the league, right, and we
talked about I mean we was having fun with it
to start with, but having nineteen years going from playing
the three to four in high school, having to really
reinvent your not even really re event, but like swallow

(07:18):
your pride and just be like, you know what, how
am I going to continue to make get paid and
stick in this league?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
And how hard was that?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Was it hard for you at first or was it
something that you were that just came easy to you
just I'm gonna figure out a way to help my
team win.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
What was your mindset on that? The helping my team
win was easy, but understanding how I could be effective
and how I can help my team win. It's hard
because you come in with a different mentality. You come
in thinking that you're gonna help your team win in
a different way, like I'm drafting number two. I think
I'm gonna be the man yep. And it's always you know,

(07:56):
in this league is situational. It it depends on where
you get drafted and how the organization was the state
of organization at that time and the actual plan that
they have for you and everybody in the organization has
to be on the same page, from the guy who
drafted you, to the coaching staff to the trainers have
to be like and we see it now. The league

(08:18):
now is way different than when I came into the league.
The league now prepares for guys with potential and they
you know, and they prepared to have the right guys
around them, you know, and try to bring that potential out.
When me and and Eddie came into the league, it
was like you need it was a grown man league.
You have to be ready already. So it wasn't this
developing thing. Some players like if you got drafted into

(08:41):
the right situation, not saying we didn't get drafted to
the right situation. We just got drafted after Michael Jordan left,
so the organization was in a different place. So it
was like figure it out, you know, And and I
had I didn't play the position I was asked to
play in the league ever, I didn't play that style.
When I first got to the Bulls, they were like

(09:02):
I was facing up. They were like, get you back
to the basket. I'm like that, that's not like it's
only even way enough to go against these like I mean,
when I came to the league, it was real big,
like it was grown men at the five n for
so it was like, you know, just coming across the key,
he was getting checked. You know, I wasn't My body

(09:24):
wasn't prepared for that coming in the league at nineteen
years old.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Talk about what was it like having obviously you know,
when you usually drafted second overall you're the guy that's
coming in, but you came in with Eddie. Those two
of you guys getting drafted in the same year that
are supposed to be these obviously top prospects. Was that
challenging for you because you both had to obviously be
the top rookies.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
It was, Uh, it was just just as challenging it was.
It was good because I had that support. I had Eddie,
like I had another guy to look at to gauge
or to see like, okay, like either he's doing great
in these areas or he's struggling in these areas too.
Like it's just not like you on an island or
alone by yourself with a whole bunch of vets. Also,

(10:04):
because it's just just even having somebody to hang out with,
you know, because everybody at that at that time, grown
men with family, with kids, and it's like they're not
doing the same things you're doing. So so having Eddie
not even just from a basketball perspective, but from a
life perspective to be able to survive in the basketball
perspective like he was, he was huge, like in an

(10:28):
incredible support system, you know, more than even those because
it's like, you know, you had that guy to lean on.
Bro you were.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
One of forty one players to come from high school
to the league, which is that's rare error in itself.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
My question, and this is for everybody that's.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
One Brood, this is a question for everybody less than that.
You just said you came into the league, you had
to be ready. Do you think kids could do that nowadays? Uh,
you can answer that, what would you do it with?

Speaker 2 (11:04):
With this league? And it's no disrespect to this league
because it's different, it's more skilled, it's more developing. There's
there's so many coaches now, like it wasn't like that
when I came into got you Like, I feel like
now teams are coaching all that ship. You got so
many coaches. I mean, you got me walking around and randomly,

(11:25):
you know, you got so many people that's there to
help where I feel like, yes, and it's not as
physical like if I was able to come into this league,
I probably could have transitioned where I was in high
school facts, but you know my league was not that
so so yes, I do think guys now, it's not
necessarily that I'm seeing what I was seeing back then,

(11:46):
because I also think there was and it's again I'm
not trying to you know, the errors, but I feel
like there was just more dogs back then because you
just had to be. It was a different era, so
that was like, you know, a different but the way
the skill is, I feel like, yes, oh your.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Dam let me ask you this. Would you have made
the jump today? You think because of all Nil all
that stuff.

Speaker 8 (12:18):
You know what I.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know, I just seen what Coop got, So you know,
I was like when I first when I like, because
I was having that conversation, I just wasn't even thinking
about him. And I was actually having that conversation with
Jay the other day and I'm like, man, with this
ni L like my probably were I for sure would
have went to college and I would have stayed in college.
I had no reason to leave, Like you could have

(12:44):
had a complete setup, which I do think I would
have went to college, like if you know, if the
nil and that whole opportunity was there, But like I saw,
I thought where the nil money was, But then I
saw what Coop signed for. So I might would have
been one, but you still would have got in the back.
You know, you still still got you still got the battle.

(13:06):
Like what they're making now and college was more than
I made, like coming in as the number two pick,
but what you know, the number one and two pick
was was my whole was like my first contract, my
first contract now is the rookie salary crazy? I mean,
you know the different man you think they can do

(13:27):
it now players? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I mean kind of echoing with what Tyson was saying,
like when he was coming into the league. He makes
a very valid point. You going against where you're playing
a traditional big, You going against the shacks alone of
morning the came in May Tumble, I don't even know
was around him, So that you're playing against these elite

(13:57):
centers nowadays they kind of went and went went away
from that, right, So it's a lot of small ball,
but there's not a lot of guys that are very physical,
So I think, yes, the game is easier in that aspect,
but yeah, I think he would have done it. Yeah,
he would have and would have been great and not

(14:18):
as you know, when he first went into the league,
you know, had to adapt to that game.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I think it goes both ways though, right because we
always speak about there's not a lot of vets now,
so like if you're eighteen years old, sometimes even seventeen,
like if you're super young coming out of high school,
there's not vets really leading you.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
The league has to change that, like, and it's not
necessary when I say league, it's like, you know, it's teams,
like you know, in each individual teams, they have to
see the value and what it was having vets, you know,
even if it's not like even if it's not keeping
a vet around necessarily on the roster, which I would
love because you know, it's a guy all the time
in the locker room, but they need to just have

(14:58):
like you know, like what them was like even if
it has them retired, it had been great for I mean,
has them doing something, but like a guy like that,
like to keep them around, have them in the locker
room because it was like it was so like huge
having having a vet there, like when you're going through
drills like coaching, telling you all the things that coaches
don't know, you know, because you know God's experiences. It's

(15:21):
different from playing that position and understanding it, you know
for years than coaching and watching film. You know, there's
there's little things that you can give in details. So
you know, when I first came in the league, it
was every you know, it's big lines, wing lines, guard lines,
and the vets were always at the end because they
made the young players do more reps because we needed
more reps. But then you had that like you know,

(15:43):
that vet in your ear as soon as you came
back in line, Hey, young fella, like when you're doing
that da da da, And it was like an education
that you could never buy, you know, and that that
has been lost, which I feel like, is is uh
tampered the development of young players because it's they don't
have that og. You know, they call him vets now
three years you know in the league they're like, yo,

(16:04):
what I was just just literally laughing, we're live about
that because you know, he was like they calling me
a vet now, you know, and so it's like they
need the old heads you know what I mean, to
drop that knowledge down, that's life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
You need them elders to play kind of my fault
to play kind of Devil's advocate. Like back then it
was an old there was, it was an older league,
right like now in today's game, it's a young league.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
They based things all the potential you know, like vat
Live right that you just alluded to, he's what twenty three,
twenty maybe twenty two, Yeah, twenty to twenty three years
old and you're talking about he's a vet. Like, come on,
that sounds crazy to us because we grew up in
a different era. But the game has transitioned. It's like

(16:56):
it's now these younger dudes, like this is what the
game has gone to, even though we disagree with it,
but that's kind.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Of where the game is going. Bro, Yes on the
court for sure to get Like I'm not saying get
any like, it's just it's just like it's the intangibles
and it's things that like if you have that guy
whether whether like it's it's like if I was around
for Lively last year, Like you know, I love like
what what God said in the place uh set in

(17:24):
the play, like being there in general just to be
around for him and all those things. And it's still
like I kind of take it as that, like I'm
still doing the same things as if I was, you know,
still in the locker room. So yeah, I like it's
a young man's game and he should be the one playing.
But it's like there you could speed up the process,
like just by having guys around, you know, not to

(17:46):
take any minutes, but just for honestly for teaching.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Hold on, I'm gonna say this though, to piggyback on
that you one hundred percent right. I think we spend
the money. You spend the money on three fucking analytics guys.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
You don't need use that for a former player guy.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Because there's a difference between Tyson Chandler as my guy
that's helping me as a coach, and there's a difference
in Tyson Chandler being like, all right, bet you're in
the locker room, like you don't go you're not You're not,
I don't you don't talk to the coaches. We see
you as a player. You travel with the players. You
are on the bench. You're not on the back of
the bench. You're on the bench. You know what I'm saying, Like,

(18:25):
but you don't. Don't you know you're not playing that
is only think only think you, but you are treated
as a player because at that point there is such
a I came in with elite vets like I had
Jared Dudley, Ed Davis, Jamari Carroll, and I think after that,

(18:48):
after that year, the Vets start they start doing it.
And then, as he just said, I was a vet,
I'm like, I really don't know everything. You know I'm saying,
I'm trying to figure all this shit off too. And
to the point of the question, which we got back to,
is can high school players get.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Into the league? They can get there, But the scariest
thing right now is that you can.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Just as quick as you get in the league, you
can be out just as quick, you know what I'm saying.
So that's the scary part about it because we see
a lot of guys that get into the league after
one year in college and then they get here and
then they're gone after two years. The problem is they
ain't developed. They know another young guys right behind you. So,

(19:39):
like my advice and what I prefer is be ready
when you get there, especially now, you got nil When
you know you ready and most.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Of it's up here.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
When you know the game and you understand what you're
getting yourself into, that's when you should go to the
league because I'm telling you, when you get there, you
got two years to prove yourself.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I've seen it because at the same time I was
I'm a realist. I really am.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Once after my third year, when I left the Knicks,
I knew what the league had made of me. You're
a team, You're a glue guy. I knew I had
to do everything correctly. I knew every they could never
worry about me. You know what I'm saying. My margin

(20:36):
air was so fucking thin, So I'm on time and everything.
You never got to worry about me. But I'm always
gonna bring the energy and I do my fucking job.
But at the same time, we won the first year,
everyone got rewarded. We lost the next year. I knew
I was in trouble. You know, somebody got to pay.

(21:00):
I guess who's not gonna get blamed for it?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Not Lucas. Appreciate your brother, Appreciate you. It is what
it is.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
But that's where the I've been through it. I'm old
enough where I understand the business. You tell that to
a fucking twenty year old that just came from high school,
don't get it? Yeah, eighteen year old, but I'm saying
two years. You tell that to a twenty year old,
he's fucked up. I don't understand. You tell us that
as me at twenty, you tell me that that's how

(21:32):
many times have we heard a young dude come? How
many times are a young dude?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Can you many times?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
What am I doing? I'm busting his ass in practice?
And guess what, kid, it don't even.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
To you know you you did the pard with Damion Wilkins.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
He saved Jeff T's career, bro like, because you had
a good vet and you got to think about these
teams want to save on the roster spot like you're
investing hundreds of millions, spend four to five develop young players.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
But speaking of winning, hold on, we change gears, changings.
We got to touch on something we forgot to touch about.
Let's talk about your bad day yesterday. We do gotta
get on that he did try to avoid you trying
to avoid about.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
At any time on the show.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Right now, bringing it because it's waying heavy on. It's
wayne extremely heavy. CV was gracious. I was very gracious.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Appreciate a lot of hospitality about how late day we did.
Day Deo dropped all fucking ranch on my floor and
on the door. We ordered some pizzas and chicken wings

(22:49):
and ship and wife. He had to have the mouth
I was holding. He was like he was being a gentleman,
doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
No, I got it. Wife is like I got it.
He was like, nah, I got it. The wife is like,
all you got it.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
This motherfucker dropped all the fucking the ship dropped out
the bag dog.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
All and then the dog was underneath the dog drenching.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Fucking Who's putting barbecue sauce on it? Who's putting barbecue
sauce on it?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I'm not putting on that was happening to dogs fucking drenched.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
But that was the point.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
We're not talking about it because that was fixable. Your
issue is not fixable right now. I'm still dealing with
your ship. Was it.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'm gonna just do the talking. We're outside, you see
they taught me the bag.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yes, we are having a good time, you know when
they're taking.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
The scuff Mark.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, the stuff he said, Yeah, discuss you see the
scuff mart Yeah, yeah, I wanted to hear that happen.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I'm relaxed.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I got my ship off, chilling with the boys, smoking
the god chilling, fucking Hong. I don't know what the
fun happened? Like Kanye's assistant, huh, got the rolls and
somebody told him why the fun?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
He turned his jet ski off. He can still operate?

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Can I tell you why?

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Come on yourself?

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Trying to save you some gas?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
That was it. You're trying to save me some gays.
But now you got a bigger problem. I need half
a point, bro, Bro, we can talk about off.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I need half a point. I need something. All I
heard was a big ass bang. I'm like, what the fuck? Damn?
Ran into the jet skis not the first rolls on
the lake. You took it out. Come on, somebody. You
could have took out anything else on the somebody somebody
on the lake saying open your eyes, oh ship, someone.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Come on, man, And that person in the lake is
on this coach.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm not here.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I don't expose who it is. We ain't gonna say
who it was. He now, heyst that was I take
full account put your mother fucking eyes.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Oh like, what would you say that?

Speaker 7 (25:17):
Are you good?

Speaker 8 (25:19):
Here?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I got we might be even that might be, we
might be good.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I just had to get get accountability for my actions.
Your actions was terrible fault. But now we can move
on now.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Speaking about winning.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Tyson's an NBA champ Golden State got NBA championship pedigree.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Obviously this is topic pedigree.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
We've talked about this a lot, but basically Kaminga's in
contract hell whatever you want to call it, contract jail.
The big three have all it's been reported that they
have all made the call to the front office and
get it done.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
We want him back.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
You've been on a championship team which is very well
vocalized that you guys had credible chemistry, incredible bond.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
How does this get done?

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Obviously from in terms of the front office perspective where
you don't sign a player, where every your three leaders
are saying get it done, and how does that affect
the locker room?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Kick it to you first, Oh man, I'm probably a
bad person for this because the same thing happened to me.
I was the guy that after the championship didn't get
the contract and get off your chest. No, no, no, no,
everything worked out well, that worked out, but I mean,
you know it was it was the championship run. I

(26:34):
wanted to come back. I wanted to keep the team together,
U And yeah, it didn't work out that way. So
you know, I don't know what's going down there in
Golden State. But sometimes management has different ideas than what
the team has, you know, and they kind of go
in that direction. That was my situation. I don't know
the situation down there. Haven't been paying attention to it,

(26:55):
you know, as much far enough to really quote on it.
But you know, if those guys want them in there,
like those players clearly see something and they know something
about him. Like everything I've seen he looked like, you know,
he just maybe a move away from turning into a
young star, you know, because he's been there. So the
way this plays out, I could see him going somewhere else.

(27:17):
Uh and then we see him all of a sudden blossom,
uh and see what a lot of people thought about him.
But you know, it can get it can get triggering
because like you know, like I said, everybody uh on
that that maps unit. You know, like wanted to keep
the team together, but things didn't work out that way.
I think that's how it's gonna play out. I don't think.

(27:37):
I don't think they give a fuck. It's been too long,
it's been it would have been done already, because my
thing is it's been done already. I think that.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I think the relationship is not salvageable. Let's let's go
and talk about this. Steve Kerr Kaminga don't like each other,
then they don't like each other. But I think Steve
Kurtz trying to big dog himself.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's not.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
He doesn't want to play him correct. So any moment
that Kaminga fucks up, he's not gonna be himself, He's
gonna play. He's gonna have a short least.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
He's not.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Kminga doesn't deserve a short least, because what you say,
he's one move away from being a fucking star. He
has the intangibles. He's proven it, not just in the
regular season, but in the fucking playoffs. He's played at
a high level. I think Steph on the way out,
Dre on the way out, Jimmy on the way out,

(28:30):
I think they're like, fuck that. Yeah, yeah, y'all could
tell us what you want right now, but y'all, y'all
are gonna play for us this year, right, We're gonna
get where we can from We'll we'll do right by him,
but we're gonna get what we can because Steve don't
want to play for him. We're still gonna be here
when y'all leave.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
So oh so, and in the way they already did
that for and not but they already did that for
him with the championship team. You know, they kept all
these those guys together until like until now you know why,
uh thankful the plays here now. So it's but like
you know, they paid all of those guys and like
you said, now, they're coming to the end of their run.

(29:07):
So the organization, he's like, they're not being vocal about
it clearly, but they clearly also have their idea of
where this is gonna go after, you know, this Big
three is gone, because the Big Three is at the
end of their career as great as they are, and
they don't think aminga is a part of it. I mean,

(29:27):
if I'm if I'm if I'm running, like they clearly
have to see something that they don't like there, you know,
because if something we don't know, something that we don't know.
Because if I'm running this organization and I've seen this
young stud, then I'm of course he's the future. Like
after these order guys go, this is the guy and
he's been there and he should have he should have
the pedigree, he should have what it takes to be

(29:49):
a warrior. All of that. He's been around incredible guys.
I mean, those guys down in Golden State know how
to win. So it's like if they're not pulling the
trigger already, it's clearly they don't feel that way. I
don't know why. You know I'm not there, but so
then why not let him go and get something for him? Bro,
it's one guy that don't funk with him. I know
that for a fact. The staff Steve Kurge does not

(30:12):
fun with Remember.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Kaminga that he does not fun with Kaminga because he
doesn't fit Kaminga want.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Minga wants a whole different style. It's a whole different
style than what he's Steph.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
He'll like go at them and they want to do
the handoff. He returned trying to get downhill. My thing is,
I don't see a big issue in that if yes,
hopefully you make a great play from it, but like
that just brings that makes them more dangerous.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
So that's what that's what that's the issue for me.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
If you got guys that's on the floor, and sometimes
we can be honest, coaches sometimes aren't in tune with that. Yes, right,
Sometimes coaches aren't in tune and what's really going on
the floor because they don't the gravity. I'm like, listen,
we need this young motherfucker to just be himself because
that opens it up for everybody, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
But that's not Golden State style of play though.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
But at the end of the day, as you see,
Golden State hasn't been the best since twenty twenty two, correct,
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's sure.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Everybody's starting to figure these motherfuckers out. And you can't
keep running this guy to death. If you want Steph
to play three more years, three four more years, which
we all do, which we all want to. If you're
trying to run him to the ground, continue to do
what you're doing. But do you see what happened in
La Bron might play two more years because of Luca.
He got a fucking demon beside him. Now he got

(31:43):
a guy who can carry That's why he still wanted Kyrie,
because you got a guy still there that can fucking
carry the load of what He doesn't have to be
fucking Superman every night. That's why most stars are done.
They it's short, not short careers, but they don't get
to where Bron is. Bron has surrounded himself by great players,

(32:03):
and that's why he's able to be where.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
You say that Golden State is more of a system
team than anything Lebron's on though, because.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Like Lebron is the system and Golden State has a system. Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Here's here's what I would say.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
He is from. Oh sorry, if you no, no.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I would just say, like they like Andrew Wiggins because
he could go to the Cup, but he typically made
better decisions to Minga, Like if you swap the two
old I'm sure they're happy.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
That's all I would say. But go ahead, I say.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I say Steph is a playmaker because the threat like that,
it puts on the defense gravity. So like me, I
hate it playing against Steph a big like because it's
like guards are screaming at you. The coach is screaming
at you to stay up. And it's like as a
as A, as a big I gotta run all the
way back and protect the paint. So now you're telling
me to run back to protect the paint, but also

(32:54):
keep my eyes on where Steph is at somewhere on
the perimeter. So I gotta get back all the way
up under the hoop. But then if my guy is
like logging up the floor and then coming to set
of pick, I got a hall ass to be up
there on that screen because if you just give him
a little glimpse like he's seeing and a lot of
times that's putting you out of position, which turns him
into a playmaker regardless, because the defense is always you know, they.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Don't talk about that aspect, and that's why it's great
obviously have our shows like you Got It. Instead of
being ten feet over from the paint, you're twenty five
feet out trying to go back and rebound. Yes, which
obviously wears in the game too. So the stuff effect, the.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Sh the Steff effect, but that it's a stepf effect.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
But like as everybody else does, you have to adapt,
and if you if you're not willing to adapt and
not understand, uh, yes, STEP's having a great career, but
at the same time, majority the last five years, how
many times of Steff been hurt?

Speaker 5 (33:51):
I want to say he's had minor injuries and one.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Major injury, then a lot of fucking ankle injuries and
shit like that, because we're still running him to the
fucking death.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
He runs three miles a game.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Okay, yes, that's the.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Gravity that makes you great, But like, why can't you
sprinkle in different ways of playing?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Like as the head coach, you have to see that.
All right, Bet my man is thirty six, thirty.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Six, thirty seven, all right, I want him to play
a little bit longer. I'm sure he wants to play
a bit longer. How can I get him some more years.
Let's get some more young talent and put that ball
in your fucking basket.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Make sure you yeah, I disagree. And the way he plays,
he can and I don't disagree if he didn't have
to run as much, of course, like if I don't
know if STEP's ever like steph ever been up to
spot up and then throw the ball to somebody, I'm
not even saying just spot up either, and we see
what that was like. So if kaminga was developed like

(34:47):
in that way, not saying clearly not saying a KD,
but saying if he became another option, definitely anytime, anytime
there's another option that That's also what I would hate
with coaches. They don't understand that, Like, Okay, if you
just if you just throw that guy a bone who
never scores, it makes the defense at least think about.
But if I know, like that corner guy, like they

(35:08):
ain't never thrown it to your ass, like and I
don't have to go out there like I'm cutting half
the floor in half like so so I could not
agree with that.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
It's tough because Steve Kirk played the game, so you
would think he would know that ship but I.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Just don't think that. And then not but like and
Kamena's not young, but I don't think Steve has been
in a position where he hasn't had to play young
players like he had those guys that like you know,
when he got to him, like they were ready, and
that's what it's being able to be. Like But if
you look back at like Wiseman going there, who came

(35:49):
in like talented as hell and then even started off,
but then something went with his confidence, you know at
some point and then like we've seen whatever with kaminga
kind of so and it's and it's like, you know,
sometime coaches just don't like young players for whatever reason.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
He's got three cases that he's done well.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Jordan Poole, Draymond because Draymon was only a third year player,
and he gave Draymond the battery in his back because
Draymond was not They release.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Started before the whole yes run, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And then.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
That's about it.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
But think about what you're saying. First of all, Steve
Currs a fucking problem. This is where it comes down
to you think about the young player. You just tell
you James Wiseman m hm, number two pick talented this
fuck before he got hurt in Indiana, he was about
to have one. Hell he was, he was gonna have
a great he was gonna have a great fucking year.
Now he's back. I think he's gonna have a good year. Uh.

(36:42):
Then you got kaminga right now, right, Think about all
the fucking guys like even Moody that's there now right,
hit and miss when he plays. You had to play
Jordan Poole because Jordan Poole was fucking spasm. The worst
thing that happens that Kaminga played in these play and
he's fast, so he really has the cominga. Stock hasn't

(37:04):
dropped at all because everyone knows. Everyone knows everyone. I'm
telling you, everyone knows Kaminga can play. Everyone knows. Steve
Kurr just doesn't like him. Everyone knows. This is just
a Warriors and cominga type of thing. But the other
thing is, why the fuck? What?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
What? What's the big that plays.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
For the Warriors, Trey Jackson trade?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
What's the other one? The white dude Post?

Speaker 3 (37:31):
He won't play on another fucking NBA team, but he
fits the system because he doesn't say shit. He's gonna
do exactly what Steve Kurr says. Every person, that young
person that plays for them. Jordan Bell does exactly what
they ask him to do. Uh, Prazinski, It does exactly
what they asked him to do. Quinton Post should not

(37:52):
be on the fucking floor. They said he's a shooter.
The nigga shot like ten percent. He was he was,
why is he playing over Kaminga? He didn't play well
in the players that no playoffs. That is clearly because
he doesn't like would you play Quintin post Over?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I'm asking you what.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
No, I would not, but let's not disrespect question.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Would you?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
My question is would you play Quinton Post? Would you
play Quinton post Over Kaming?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, I haven't even seen posts, all right, So anyway,
come answer the question.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
So I agree with you. I don't think there's anything
wrong with what you said.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I'm just.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
But at the end of the day, Steve curR is
what he wants. Five championships.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, can you against Okay?

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Coach there, Okay, so we're talking about him as a player, right,
and then listen what.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Happened with you incur something? Something happened. I don't. I don't.
I don't like how he's doing and KAMINGA. I don't
like how they did Kavar Looney. I don't like how
they've done a lot of guys there because they don't
fit with step But like I said, they won they
had to do.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
There's two things I want to address right. A.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
He has killed his stock because he should be one
hundred and twenty million dollar player and he's only going
to think about eighty million, So yes, they have killed
the stock. Literally they did, so don't tell me they
didn't kill the stock. The second thing is he.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Can still make that next year.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
He's not going to though, He's gonna make like twenty
five a years instead of forty a year. And then
the second thing I want to just address is Steve
has also been under Pop and Phil Jackson. Those are
two of the greatest coaches of all time. So obviously
I'm not the I'm not the biggest Steve Kirfran.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I'm just saying, like, why can't he adjust? Then?

Speaker 5 (39:41):
I don't know, but I'm just I just want to
lay up. That's all I want to do, as.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Some guys are stuck in their ways.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Now. Phil definitely didn't adjust. He kept that triangle to
the day he died.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
You sure did?

Speaker 5 (39:52):
I think the triangle could be successful today? What do
you guys think?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I mean, you gotta have like nasty, you gotta have right.
I mean, no, I played in the triangle, young, I
don't know if it was quite a triangle that we
was running. It might have been a square. No, no, no,
I played for everybody that was left the leftover. I
don't know. We were quite running the triangle. But like

(40:17):
I was there for that, and then I was in
New York when Phil came in. That's when I left.
Uh So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if
the triangle today in today's game. I feel like the
game is just so different for it to actually you
got to have unless you got you gotta have a
dominant big in order to run the train, right or

(40:37):
I mean not not necessarily to say dominant big, like
because we say that because of shock. But MJ was
the post in Chicago. If you had KD, maybe you
could run the triangle because you could got a guy
that you could just throw it to and just get
straight buckets. But like, if you don't got a guy
like that, I think the triangle because what we didn't
We did not have that, So we were not run

(41:00):
quite that. We weren't running that. What team was they
still was running the triangle?

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Did they running through Eddie?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
They did? They did? Uh, we ran through Eddie, but
we didn't. We weren't. We weren't the whole bulls. They
weren't right. It wasn't right. We had we had such
a talented ass group honestly that we just never stayed
long enough together. Like we had Jamal Crawford, Triming Hassle,

(41:30):
Eddie Robinson, Brad Miller r on our test, Eddie carry me. Yeah,
we had, we had the players. It's just you know,
we were young. That was on paper it looked good,
but it was like you know that mentality where it's
just like bad. Like it was like we were literally
the bad News Bears. Like I remember, like I men real, dude,

(41:55):
Like I remember, Uh, we were in Orlando. It was
like twenty games into the season. I don't know, we
might have been like our sixteen games something like that.
We were like I don't know, thirteen and three, excuse me,
three and thirteen or something like that, like maybe two
we won either two or three games like within the
first twenty, right, And I was just like I was

(42:18):
so mad, like a I wasn't playing, coach was playing
all kind of games with me and all that kind
of shit. But so I came into the locker room.
I'm used to winning, like and I've been I've been
a competitor of my whole life. Like my mam almost
made me stop playing basketball because in my junior high
championship game in the eighth grade. We lost and it
was against all my homies because I had moved and

(42:40):
my team was scared to play against them. And they
were celebrating in the middle of the gym, and I
picked up one of the chairs, the plastic chairs, and
swung that shit right in the middle of they celebration.
My mom pulled me out. I was like this, you
got to learn how to win and lose, Like, if
this is the game, you're gonna play like, you cannot react.
Like so I'm saying that to say, like I always

(43:01):
hated losing with a passion. So we come in there
and Tim Floyd is just giving a normal speech like
it's just another day, and tears started rolling down my eyes.
He's looking at me. He's like, what do you call? Like,
what's wrong with you? He's like, he's like, what's wrong
with you? I'm like, I can't take this ship. I
hate fucking losing. He's like, well, if this is if,

(43:22):
if you hain'te losing, this is not the league for you,
You're gonna have a tough ass career. And I was like, no,
the fuck I won't because I will never get used
to this ship. And I did the Bulls on three
and then like went back to my art. No no, no,
Tim Floyd, no, no, no no. Tim Floyd was like,
if you get this upset after losses, you're gonna have
a tough time this league. And I was like, no
the fuck I won't because I planned on winning in

(43:43):
this league. But I'm saying that to say that it
was it was fucking terrible, Like it was not the
right pieces and uh, you know, in place for young
players to develop in the right way because all of
that culture, you know before it's gone.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
YEA fair to say y'all got anything left on the topic.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I think we covered it all.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
This is yours. This was your topic you brought up
last week. The single season you want to bring us in.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, Brouh.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Saw this on like Friday night or Saturday, and I
was just thinking, who had the best single season ever?

Speaker 5 (44:22):
We'll do We'll do in the last twenty five years
as an individual?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, so lay five years, last twenty five years?

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Do you want run the clips we got James Harden.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I was gonna say, who comes comes up for he
scored like you.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
Have forty three points that one season? Yeah, Yeah, I
mean it's like a month forty three.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
This was a couple of years after him leaving. Okay,
see right, like thirty, this.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Is twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. This is when you got
the MVP.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
When he leaves left in twenty twelve, that's like seven years.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
And then we got Russell Westbrook his triple double year,
his revenge tour straight the Boys.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Was on the same team, crazy man. That's right after
what's the name left.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Was tuy And then we got stuff is Uns the
m v P.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Three, We've been blessed to watch some special players my
running the system through them. Then, because this motherfucker was young.
Hey you're talking about Steph. Yeah, that's so unbelievable. This
ship don't make no stamn sense. No, he didn't, thank you.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
And then we got your KIC last year. I think
last year is as best.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
We haven't even got to arguably the most dominant season.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Spencer Yoks just so skilled, Like, yeah, the ship he does,
I don't know that you could like not one ounce
athletic man. He could play forever if you wanted to. Yeah,
we don't love the game like that. He's gonna go
race horses. But if you wanted to he could do
this ship forever. He liked me out there.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Practice it's and then we got and then we got
arguably the most dominant season ever.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I have to go. You gotta go that you This
is two thousand from l A. Shock was just your
hero man, you're young, big from l A. I mean,
you don't have to be from la.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
But too, bro, this is two thousand Shock. And then
we got twenty twelve bron Revenge of Year.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
After that was the Beast too. This is a tough one.
This is a tough one.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
So so I just so everybody's clear, we only picked
the last twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
You know. Yeah, there's no losers here, Yeah, there is none.
You can start a team with any one of them.
We gotta pick. Let start a decade team.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
When who wants to go first? We got a list
we got to Oh I didn't get that was my list.
But I go first.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I go first.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
It's an extremely hard list, tough list to pick. Obviously,
those are all Hall of famers, all great players. But
I'm always been the numbers guy, right, numbers got so
what separates.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
One from the other, and to me is averaging a triple.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Yeah, but you don't win that argument. What separates Nicole
average triple.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
But multiple years?

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Multiple talk about one single season, one single season. I'm
sorry to cut you off, but he did last year
average tripple up.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
But what you can what you like.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Comparing the teams though after this where ranks and your bigs.
I mean, I could got I can have a guard
in the big but I can have dumb cold cove.
I can have a cold right, I have two So
to me, what two players to the greatest? To me

(47:56):
is triple double. You can't you just make your own
me it's triple double. The rules, damn one b one bro,
I'm gonna stick with rush.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I'm cool, there's no wrong. I'm gonna want to pick
you said you go first, and then start bouncing around rock.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Explain why you picked Ruskin because he averages triple double
and even though yo kid average triple double.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
To me, you got to give it to us. I
ain't got m v P and he got MVP that
year too, Right? Was that the same year that also
russ put up the twenty Yes, that that ship was.
That's impressive, that that ship was. That that's one of
the most impressible impress.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
From the title bur and he lost that year won
to come back.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So when when yokis averaging triple double, he didn't get
m v P, No, that was last year with exactly
Russ got m v P and got uh an average.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
Single season though right, Shack and Braun won a chip.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I was gonna I was gonna go with I was
gonna all right, I have I was gonna go with
Shack or go with Shack because they want to chick.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
And he was m v P and he made a
defensive all team like like that.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
That that ye, that year like that is just too
many accolades. And then also to end with a championship
is one of the greatest.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
And that's fair to say because in two thousand, you
know he two thousand, I was a young pop.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I was about to come into the league. If you
feel me, that makes sense. I didn't see Shock in
two thousands. He let me tell you, like, oh my god,
Like when when when people tell me, like who's the
most dominant players, you, I don't count Shack.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Like like.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
He's in the world. I always SHA's on one. Yeah, yeah,
we all because because he like usually take Shack out
because there was no guard He's there's no guarding on me.
So like that was stupid, Like how was it like Guarden?
I mean look at me, how do you think it
was like Garden? Shack like it? I mean that was
one of Like Shaq was one of the most impressive

(50:04):
human beings I feel like like watching at that time ever,
like to that size, like the way he moved like
he was like you could not stop him, couldn't. There's
nothing you could do. Those defensive scheme does not I
don't give it down. What you who? You got? What
you got like we saw, I mean he saw incredible
to Kenbay was, I mean like defensive Player of the

(50:26):
years defensive teams. I mean he was murdering the uh
leek during that run. Like, yeah, I was a young plup.
I was actually going to uh the Shack's house in
between games, the Shack's house early man, man, I had
some love in l A shock was Uh it was
actually between that series we're talking about two times, mister basketball.

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He was he was Hollywood. Would imagine what.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I just slow down, I'll going with bron twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
No staff, Wow, I can't go stuff because it's productal
system like this, Wait what did you just say it
was a product of the system as well, like having
played with him and stuff like that. I think if
you took Steph out of Golden State, he would still win,
but it's not as.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Great nod to state. You're saying, wait, what is this?
He said?

Speaker 4 (51:22):
If you take Steph out of Golden State, he's not
as dominant because the right pieces bitk.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Okay, this is what we're gonna do. Were gonna have
a conversation about that statement after Yeah, I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
That's that's.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Disagree with that, and that's fair.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
I think I think Steph is a floor riser where
it can take us make a ceiling first team all defense,
a first of all defense m v P. Chip Lebron
was on Avenge Tour. You think that's I've been on
air saying that's the best Bron I've ever seen. So
that's why Broun.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I respect that, and I don't think you can be
wrong with that. You can't be wrong with any brown
very valid point.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
I'm gonna be honest, I'm struggling right now because it's
between James Harden and Bron. For me, what James Harden did,
especially he was averaging fifty for a month forty three.
But yeah, if there's any world where we where we

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boost something that's not usually when forty.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Round and everybody was trying to stop him, was that
the year that they could.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Have beat the No, No, this was the year they lost,
like they weren't gonna win eighteen.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
This year they had, they had a chance, got got you,
got you, but but.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Chris was out that year. I think that that that period.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I'm gonna be honest, Bro, I'm gonna go Bron just
because he I'm gonna go Bron twenty twelve because that
shit didn't make no sense.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
He was too eighty. You said what he was too eighty? Wait? Wait,
wait what legit that out there? I heard he was
too eighty. I mean I don't doubt it.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I heard he was like to eighty first of all,
to the facts and move like that because run like
a four to three bro, four four You know what, Nah,
I'm gonna be different, bro, I'm gonna go James Harden.
I think averaging fifty four month is insane.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, single season, Yeah, singles, we talked, we not with
everybody gearing up to stop.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Trying they was they was trying to guard the motherfucker
behind them. They it got to the that's the best
single season the fucking thought that. They were like, hey, listen,
let's just pay We're gonna do We're gonna play behind them.
We need we're gonna get one. Yeah, right, that was
utah right, no, no, no, no, we tried it.

Speaker 8 (53:45):
I was.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
We tried some stupid stuff too. I remember saying, You're like,
I can't believe this ship like this that we were like,
I remember saying, no way, we're actually.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Going out there with this. Yeah, it was stupid. James
had had the best singles. Think there's the wrong answer, bro,
No it's not.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
But like I said, I saw it. That's probably why.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Are you guys adding it also like the end result.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
To clearly I wasn't because I know I wasn't because.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Because like you got you picked Shack in Shack want
to Chip Finals m VP.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
I picked Lebron because that's part of it for me.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
And you know that was the year when James went
ice cold in the last three games against the Warriors,
So like that's part of it for me, And I
get you guys are talking about just maybe regular season.
I'll just say maybe that's why we have to.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
A triple double for this season?

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Can we just put it on wax if Lebron want
to average a triple double head good, Like, let's just
let's just be honest.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
That's fair to say. But why has he.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
Probably hasn't cared about it.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
That's is an interesting question. We don't have. Yeah, we
don't have. I think he just so you know, he
he could.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
He aged thirty six and ten that year.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Oh, Lebron, what are the names average? Wait?

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Wait in in the twelve years twelve? Yeah, thirty six,
thirty let me say thirty and oh I'm like thirty Okay,
what if rest average the year that I got you?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I got you? Yeah, gi me throt me some numbers.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Let me throw you some numbers. You're a numbers guy.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Here numbers. We need MJ's rookie years.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Stats James average thirty six and seven point five, so
and eight and seven.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
The average thirty six, eight and seven.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I'm not going to six points a lot of what's
the ball the whole game got the what's the most
points averaged ever in the season? Is that it? I think?
I mean outside of like, oh, they are like will
like this new era is got the highest two. I
think it is that that might be the highest average
h average more than that.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
Points per game. I gotta find that. One second, it
was thirty seven point one by Mike.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Because then didn't Mike average thirty is rookie year. That's
what I was saying. I'm like Mike, I something stupid
as rooky, something like that.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Hold on, give me rush numbers, Give me rush numbers.
I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest. Okay, he's last.
Who what do you mean I'm not give me the stats?

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Bro Okay, hold on, he thirty one point six, so thirty.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Two, thirty two, eleven, eleven.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
And I guess ten point four?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
So ten thirty, thirty two, eleven and ten? Who average
six forty two points?

Speaker 5 (56:36):
That was thirty one point six or thirty.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Two sex shocks. The shock is a little different now
that I mean shot out the share. No, we got
we got, we got it. But like I can't go
against the West.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Shock is thirty fourteen and four.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Thirty and fourteen doesn't beat thirty two, ten, eleven and ten.
So those are shocks averages thirty and you understand he
at least did this eighty two times, but thirty fourteen.
Thirty fourteen is what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Was shot thirtyound. That's cool. And for the fourth four
blocks blocks, my man was passing the bar. Three blocks,
three blocks, that's all. I've never averaged three blocks. Listen, No, now,
that's that's hard to do.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
Coverage.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
That's hard to do, probably to some change. First of all, Like,
first of all, it's not like got the same thing,
just like the Lebron I could have averaged, but it's
like a that's like a defensive end getting sacks but
giving up all the damn running yards and all kinds
of other ship. Yeah, like like some shot blockers just

(57:48):
go for shot blocks, right, So I never wanted to.
Like there was possessions where I didn't want to get
out of defensive position because I knew I had to
go for the shot and get the rebound. So my
stats could have been boosted to go, you know, to
ever playing defense. It's just you know, the same thing. Again,

(58:10):
I do this a lot, so I don't give a fuck.
Oh boy, trade carefully. I don't know. Russ average thirty
two points. That's that's stupid, man, that's a lot. I
was ignorant with dying. Rus was doing stupid ship. That's why, like,
you don't have it wrong?

Speaker 6 (58:29):
He said, you value winning? No, he just no, he
already he already just I thought you said you value
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Be honest with you. You're doing a lot right now.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
You're doing what you're doing a lot to do this.
Who has been the most successful single season? He said
he didn't value it this time. We're not talking about winning.
We're not talking about apologized. Yeah, I apologize, I need
half some point there. That ship went up. The point

(59:01):
yeah went up. That here was for sure stupid. Come
on you, that's no wrong answer. I got James Steele,
I got thirty two with ten dimes. Eleven dimes, come on,
crazy and then ten uh, come on.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
That's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
He was.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
He wasn't first team defense.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
We ain't talking about Jokish though. What was Yokis numbers?

Speaker 3 (59:25):
It was thirty Statistically, Kis had the best single season
of ever.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
You might be right, his p his pr is the
best ever. It's thirty ten and ten, thirty eleven and ten.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
That's what you're right.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
But I listen, I'm with, I'm with. There's no wrong
answers here. I want to address the point I said earlier.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yes, let's address this ship a t the graphic off peak.
I forgot what the fun you shaid? What you said? Said?
This man said something blasphemy. Steph Curry was not on
the war as would he be the same.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
No, I'm talking about that unanimous MVP season right, because
here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Let me explain.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
You think one year he wouldn't have been m v P.
On another you know he would have been.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Let's let's let's make it very Arlotte twenty twenty one,
when Steph was the sole All Star on his team,
what did he do? He did not make the playoffs.
I've never said that about Bron. I've never said that
about Shack.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Wait whatit what that they didn't make the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
The didn't make the playoffs when he was a soul. Well,
he's a sole All Star. I think Steph is obviously
he's top ten in my opinion. But if you take
Lebron and put him with Brian didn't make the playoffs
with but he was injured for games of that though

(01:00:34):
he was in playoff, contentionally.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Got inured, you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah, yeah, he got he got. He got somewhere after Christmas,
I think or something.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
It was early so so, but my point is that
I think Steph Steph is a great player. But you
could take Lebron and put him on any team and
they're gonna make the playoffs we saw with the Eastern
Conference Finals in twenty eighteen he took.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I'm just that's just my I don't think Steph can
carry that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
I think because of the stature.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Like listen, I'm playing in the NBA, so you guys
correct me if I'm wrong, But the stature being six
to eight and being physically dominant is a lot differently
being six three and running around with people that aren't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I respect that, but but Steph is different. It's something
we've ever seen, like Steph changed the game. So it's
hard for me to say that you can't put Steph
on another team and then he accomplished what he accoplished,
because I feel like a lot of what happened was
because of Steph, Like all of that was formed because
of like the greatness that you were watching and you
saw how special he was. So it's like we have

(01:01:32):
to build around this, and it's like that wasn't the
league like that was far from what the league was,
and then they decided to build around this special ass kid.
So for me, then it's hard to say, Okay, you
can't put that type of special of a talent somewhere
else and he won't do the same thing. So let
me ask you this because I'm just and shout out
to Mark Jackson for saying yeah. Because if I was

(01:01:54):
Steph's coach, I would have Steph Curry would not be
Steph Curry today, like I would have stumped ship out
of his growth. I ain't gonna even front because I
ain't even lie, like I love the ship out of Steph.
Stephan was one of my Stephan is one of my
favorite people in the world and one of my favorite
players to watch. But when we were on Team USA
together and Steph was like young Steph, just coming into

(01:02:16):
all of this, and he was like still working on
the ship and we would come down and he would
do that and throw behind the back pass and that
ship would skip by the bounds. I would be like,
what the fuck is this? Like, stop doing that ship.
So if I'm on the coach, I would have been
screaming stopped doing that ship, and he would have never became.
So shout out to Mark Jackson's foreseeing that greatness and
bringing that out of him or helping bring that out

(01:02:37):
of him. The first of all, you wild, you Wiling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
So you think if Steph Curry was on the Atlanta Hawks,
butt Tray Young took that team too, He's not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
He ain't doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I think he was doing that because Young can do it.
But I think the consistency of Lebron.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
So your point.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Of Lebron, I mean, it's kind of hard for me
to vocalize it, right because I'm sticking with my point
that Lebron is just so physically imposed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
You're taking it out.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
We can't argue that, and like Shack is so physically imposing, right,
So that that's where I'm going to. Like James, I
don't know if Steph Curry is taking his team to
the Western Conference Finals with the team that James Harden
has and and taking the Warriors to six games, that
team that James took to six games seven games or
six games or the Wars, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I don't think that team. Look at Alan Iverson, right,
we go back and look at the team that Alan
Iverson to to the finals and you're like, you didn't
have nobody. He didn't have nobody because they built that
team around him because of how special he was. You
don't think that they wouldn't or some team couldn't do
that for Stan.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
They could, but I think they also have the really
the writing, like I think Alan you could. I'll be
plugging in a lot of different players that fit the role.
I think Steph and Golden State pick the right pieces,
like the perfect pieces, Like I Klay Thompson is like
the perfect piece because he's a two way wing. Clay
Thompson is one of the best, one of the greatest.
And then Draymond Green. There's not a lot of Draymond

(01:04:15):
Green's walking around. So my whole point is that I
feel like it was the perfect Storm and Golden.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
But I feel like that's built. And do you think
that Draymond Green is Draymond Green if he's not playing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
With the SID.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
I feel like it goes both ways. Like I feel
like Steph creates a lot of this is the reason,
no reason. So you're saying Steph doesn't become Steph without
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Both sides right, Like you gotta look at history for
every single player, Like I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Feel like we can't argue like that though. I feel
like we can't argue like all hypothetical yeah, because then
you're going like, all right, if this person didn't have
that and this is But it's like that's the whole point,
Like that's that goes back to me talking about when
I came into the league or any other young player
like you come in are even talking about Communia and
its situation though, like rather than you know, somebody building

(01:05:02):
a team around.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
So where I'd leave it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
And obviously you guys, you guys are very valid points
on my debating them. I just remember watching that season
and everybody on the Warriors was so good. Sean Livinson
was really good that year, Clay Thompson was incredible. Everybody
was so incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Was Sean Livingston that good somewhere else?

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
But that's not what I'm debating.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
When I watched Lebron playing twenty twelfth, when I from
what I've heard of Shack and what I've seen to
James Harden and Russell Westbrook, I won't think their teammates
were as good as Steph Curry's teammates in his MVP season.
So because they were lifting carrying so much of the load,
and Steph Curry was carrying a huge load, but not
as big as those guys. That's why I'm giving it
to them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I can respect that, but then I can like, it's like, Okay,
Tyson Chandler wouldn't be I wouldn't have got looked at
the same had I not gone to the MAVs and
played with dirt and then won a championship and then
all of a sudden, I'm in New York. I went
in Defensive Player of the Year, and I wasn't a
better defensive player then than I was earlier. He's just
got more, Sean. So that's kind of I feel about
like players just put Like even when I said Sean Livingston,

(01:06:04):
it wasn't a dig. It's showing when certain players get
around other great players because there are team players, they're lifted.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
So you're saying, if Steph went a different situation and
be sip, he lift all those players up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
That's if you have the right guys. I'm not saying
that you can't put up Steph with some other guys
who want to be the man like, because then no,
But if you put Steph with guys that understand their role,
and they're all there and you build a team around
this guys gonna play that role. Yeah, I absolutely think so, Yeah,
you got to understand.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
For another example of like if you when you make
a big free agent acquisition, you got to adjust to
that start that gets there, Like everybody from the Lakers
when Luca got there, even Bron have to make an adjust.
All shit, we got a motherfucker coming in him. Now
we gotta adjust. I think the same thing would have
happened with Steph. You aren't gonna have the same players

(01:06:57):
because a you're gonna have to give up a ship
ton to get Steph. Be Steph is the generational talent.
Steph is who you got to adjust to. So the
question is, hell, yes, he would succeee wherever the fuck
else every because the GM is his job to put
the right people around him. If Steph went to the

(01:07:17):
Houston team that you said that James had, that won't
be the Houston team. It'll be a totally different team
because you're gonna need You probably keep Clint Capella, you
probably keep PJ. Tucker because you're keeping those tough, hard,
those defensive players around him. Now, the other guys, you
might need to bring one more motherfucker to put the
ball in the basket to help Steph and take a

(01:07:38):
little bit of the the weight off of him, because yes,
he doesn't have the stature of Lebron to carry to
the Every single.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Argument is I just feel like Lebron and the way
Russ they carried a little bit more weight than Steph.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I'm gonna be honest, every Bron championship he had somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
There with him.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
No, but I'm talking about this year, dominance of the season.
I'm not talking about the championship. I'm talking just like
what Bron was gonna do whatever he did, no matter
who was on his team that year. And I felt
that same way about James and Russ. They were just
willing their teams to victory. And Steth's team was so
great it didn't feel like he was always willing his
team to victory as those guys were.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
That was my argument.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
But it's trying to say that Steph is a generational
player right for sure, So it doesn't matter where you
put him. He's a generation.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Context of the conversation is why did you not put
Steph as you guys are shocked I didn't have Steph
as a single best season.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
And my argument, I'm shocked because you a fucking wars
But I'm trying to be right. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.
I wasn't shocked. You didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
We only was shocked because you're a Warriors fan. Yeah,
I'm not mad at you because you didn't pick Steph.
Because if we're being completely honest of that list, Steph
might have been last to be completely honest of that
list that we named over yo Ki James Bronack. Because

(01:08:58):
what you're saying, because the you're dominant, that's but.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
That's what I say.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
I don't think he's And maybe I said it wrong
in that in that time, what I was trying to
say is that those guys were so dominant. Steph didnt
obviously he was great that m v P year, but
his team was also so dominant. Like when you have
Iggy as your six man, Like, how does that speak
about your team?

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
So that was kind of my.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Step After year they won seventy plus seventy two, Yeah,
twenty three, so your team has to be really good. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
So that was my point, Like, if you took if
you took them off.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
I think those that Warriors teams still winning forty five
fifty games.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
And I would say this, and I might be wrong.
I might be wild to say this. I don't think
that team is as good the next two or three
years if they stayed together, because I think they would
have been figured out. If they don't get Kevin Durant.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Dre said it. Dre said online, he came out and said,
Lebron and Kyrie figured us out. We needed Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Oh for sure. I don't disagree.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yes, that team that good that year, but they didn't
go and yeah they don't go as far as goes.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
All right, we're gonna ask, we're gonna play the clip.
Let's pull up the Brendan Haywood clip. Run your race, Peter, Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Sleep back there. There's a debate on the greatest NBA
Finals run.

Speaker 10 (01:10:15):
It's not even it's not a debate, not a debate.
When you look at who Dirk had to beat. The
only thing maybe close is maybe Keem Elijah wants they
had to run. But when you look at when you
look at who Dirk had to be, obviously Portland first round,
that's that's Brandon Roy and Brandon Roy you know what
I'm saying. So Brandon was the problem for different That's

(01:10:39):
Brandon Roy and the Marcus Audrige. Then you gotta realize
the next series it's Kobe and Powell. Mm h yeah,
coming off a championship, swept them. Then the next series
it's k d Russen Hardened oh ship him in sweet.

(01:11:02):
Then the next series Bosh Wade Broun Like how many?
Like how many Hall of Famers did he knock off
on that run? Your favorite Hall of famers from that
time period got clapped on that run.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Yeah, it's not no debate. I didn't realize that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
And so the question is, is Dirk's Finals run the
most impressive run of all time? That was it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
I would have to say yes, uh, you know, and
and not not because I run I am. I am
biased for sure, for sure, I ain't gonna even lie.
But I feel like it has a hell of an argument,
and I don't disagree. Watching Dirk that year was a
man on a mission.

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
It's some of the most incredible basketball I've ever seen
in my life. Like whether it was what people were
seeing or is what I was watching and practicing in
the gym's and watching his preparation. There was just a
focus to him. That was just a different level and
that run. The guys that we faced were monsters, like

(01:12:10):
it's literally on some space gym shit. It was. It
was no like there was not an easy round when
he's saying it, Portland was one of our hardest a series, Like,
oh my god, like he was a problem and thank
god he was on one leg, like because I don't
know if we make it out if not, Like so

(01:12:33):
like you said, going on the list from Portland to
the Lakers to Young Okay see to Brown them, Like
that's a stupid ass run. That's that's like I don't
know if you ever faced that many Hall of famers,
I don't know. Like this is also a different era
of the league when it was when they were putting

(01:12:53):
superstars together, so like you're having to face like more
superstars than you did like in the past. We can
kind of key in on, you know, one person like yeah,
we would like that was a hell of a runner
and Karan got hurt. So it's Dirk had to pull up.
He had to, he had to, you know, pick up
more slack because honestly, I feel like if we had

(01:13:16):
Karan were running through everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:13:18):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Like k was man like a dog too, like shout out,
shout out, shout out to tough Juice, Like tough Juice
was all of that, Like he was a dog, you know.
And and when when we lost him, that like took
something from us, you know, And it says a lot
about Dirk, you know, to be able to carry that,

(01:13:42):
you know, like without having your guy like we had Jet.
Jed also stepped up in that. You know, Jet was
always his robin. But it's like, you know, it's also
a mental game in there that they also lost to
the same team, you know, back in those second So
now you're coming back, it's like, ship, we just lost Karen.

(01:14:03):
That was like supposed to be getting us over the hunt,
supposed to be adding that extra little scoring, you know,
like when we need that, Like we lost that. Now
we're kind of we're going back up against him the
same way, Like what's gonna be different? So you got
you have to like it was the mental hurdle that
he had to get over. It's like that ship we're
going against the Lakers. I think we were up too

(01:14:24):
oh or up three oh. I'm back at home watching
the press conference. Kobe's up there, and Kobe's like, we're good.
They asked him something. He's like, no, no, no, we're
right where we want to be, Like, yeah, we're good.
I ain't gonna even front and I'm watching like does

(01:14:44):
he know something I don't know? Like as he talked
to David Stern like about to throw this ship, like yeah,
like I promise y'all, was thinking like this ship might
be rigged, like like I ain't just like like I'm
thinking on my own like that. I'm thinking, like because
why the fuck is he saying that? But like it
was that mamba mentality. So I'm saying, like you like
it was. It's a different type of ship that you

(01:15:06):
had to go through right now to get over there.
You have any other old stars on that team? Again?
Did that many? We had all stars? But that year,
that year it was only dirt.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
It was just I think it was only Dirk.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
I will say that was the most as an outsider,
that was the most impressed cold though he.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Also said on the same Dirk was like, if they
wanted a real big they would have got me into
the Chris who.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Said that ship dirty dirty.

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
Instead of Chris. If they wanted a real big three.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Said, he really said, that's hilarious. You know, supposed to
go something. Man, people don't know like Dirk. Dirk is
for sure, brother, what's Dirk nigga.

Speaker 8 (01:16:00):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yeah, he could wrap all the ship wang this he
goes deep into the culture, like I bullshit you not
exactly like Dirk started chopping it up with you in
the locker room. It's completely different than when you get
on that mic and start talking. He turned to the

(01:16:21):
barbecue for sure about a bunch of you. Marc.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Supposed he's bumping through.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
He not like that because in Memphis, yeah, Mark and Memphis,
so he don't got no choice, but he gonna get ran.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Up out that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
You got to piggyback on that, bro the thing ship
to sweep cod That's what I'm saying in the MoMA
mentality got the championship right there. I just went back
to back.

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
When you say it a loud that Coked couldn't get one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Couldn't get one. Think about that. Think about that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I mean you just think about all the Hall of famers,
Bro that I was even say you say cold that team, yes,
I think was coming off the bench as you talk
about with was coming off the bench, was the sixth
man was a problem, and then we keep forgetting that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Yeah, okay, he had three m v p s on
the team, but they were young, so it's not but
like not normal young. But yeah, I was gonna say
they actually had them picked over us people had them
picked over. You can't give him the excuse for them
being young because now they would have never been in
that position.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Yeah, okay, see this year right, very young? Yeah he was, Yeah,
he might have been a difference man. Everybody. Everybody, I
will say, I would say on the championship team, you
need different players to have their moment, right, Paiser had
a moment like before his back when out, Like Paist
had a moment, but he got us over there be

(01:18:00):
like like every janitor, everybody had a moment. And then
JJ was a problem. He was a matchup problem for
him in the finals. Like so if you go through
a championship run, like somebody random has to step up
in that run because they gonna like it's to the
like the coaches the defensive plan and like they are

(01:18:21):
so geared in, like and you know on what what
your strategy is. Somebody has to throw a wild Card
and and JJ was that was that Pagier was that
like it was? It was a different series, different guys
step but I'm somebody you guys didn't give a shout
out to r C r C put coach coach change

(01:18:42):
made that adjustment and two change finds takes a lot
of balls that and that is important to have a
coach is able to adapt and change. On another thing
about that about coach on that we're called out and
we're seeing his genius now play out, like he's being
able to adapt through generations, through teams and all of
that type of ship through styles like big up or

(01:19:04):
you know our sizzle, Uh both of us. I forgot
we used to call our sizzle to Rick Carlisle, not
the Janity. But he also stepped out the way that
year he coached the ship out of us, Like oh
d like I'm talking about because that's him too, that's
his style. Like he's changed, he's evolved since then. Like,

(01:19:27):
but he was coaching the ship out of us, calling
every play Jay Kid wanted to run. You know, he
was calling every single playoffs we came over half court.
Uh when we got in the playoffs, he let the
rings go like he let he let us go, he
stopped calling place play play. We did this ship through
the year. Y'all got it. Now it's time to be

(01:19:48):
creative because we can't can't call ship. They can't understand
what what what? What are you about to do? What's
coming at him? Like y'all got to hit him with
something different on the fly. That that double screening roll
that we fucked miam Me go with. We accidentally stumbled
into that because it was our rules was first person
to the rim, next person screener, right, So normally I

(01:20:10):
bust out, I run like I get to the rim
and then I can come back up. I think Dirk
got the board or no, I mean I got the board.
Dirk's supposed to sprint down. He's a little late, like
coming downstairs at the top of the key. Then I'm
I'm running into it. I'm just like, fucking let's get
into a double pick. They come off. Then as I
got ready roll, I see that somebody has to be
my tag guy that's supposed to be closing out the dirt.

(01:20:31):
I'm like, fuck the roll. I'm gonna set the screen
and it's put like hit Dirk. So then when when
Dirk hit a three. Now they fucked because now they
don't know if they should get to the roller. They
don't know if they should get to three. They still
got an honor j Kidd coming off the screen and
or if it's JJ, so they that kind of put
him in the blender. And that only happened because coach
Carl out let go of the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
That's fucking dangerous, bron you got one of the best
dimers ever, Jason Kidd hand ball coming, got this dude
of the rollers rolling and then you fuck them up.
First of all, it just has to work. One time
you go down, you got Tyson sending the screen. You
hit to pop the dirt right, that opens up everything.
But at that point you trying to cheat the shit
the dirt. All right, we're gonna get the litt left

(01:21:12):
and then let's suck around. You try to take the
roll away. I'm gonna skip that bitch right to Jay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
And then when y'all fumbling and fucking up JJ coming
off the double screen because nobody showed and he turning
around and throwing up his floating bro I'm gonna be
honest with you, that sounds very familiar to a lot
of great coaches. Coach Williams, coach A. Shewsky, I'm sure
your coach at Calhoun, they coach is so hard during
the year, every single thing, and you can go down

(01:21:41):
every and I can only speak for Carolina players every
single time when it gets the tournament play Coach Williams,
y'all know what to do. We've been coached all year
to know what to do, and we just go out
there and hoop. That's why you see Carolina teams just
start rolling at the end of the year. Great coaches
know when to move out the way exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
I mean, you also have to have the right team.
You guys have the right team because j Kid is
a coach. We didn't we talked about All Stars like
when we first said, well, all Stars, that was a team,
that was a squad when you put it together.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
How did y'all get to and I think a lot
of people, even the teams that's now NBA teams, how
did y'all, like you said, y'all had a bunch of
Hall of Famers, that All Stars, all that on y'all's team.
How did y'all become so selfless? Because if you talk
about down that line, those are jj B, Jason Terry, Tyson,

(01:22:38):
Chandler Dirt and to win Sean Ron Butler, Sean. It's
a how do y'all's team? Because that's the danger of
y'all team. Everybody can step up and have those moments.
How did y'all come together and just like be selfless?
It was a it was a perfect storm. Like we

(01:22:59):
were at the diff times in our career to where
it was about the bullshit, you know, like Washington, the
DC Boys, like they had already been through their runs,
you know, trying to win down there, you know, with
Gil and and that whole that whole unit, you know,
so they had that. Then you had Dirk and Dallas
and you know that was Dirk uh and Jason Terry,

(01:23:21):
and then you have me coming into the folk I
was with Pages down in New Orleans. We could get
close to the mountain and get knocked off, so like
we had that fire inside. So when we got here,
it was everybody honestly just wanted to win. Now, don't
get me wrong, we had our bumps in the road,
just like every other fucking team, like you know, where
we get into it and practice or this or that.

(01:23:42):
But we were also grown ass men to where we
could talk about that ship. We could talk about it
in the locker room. We could talk one on one
because we had them one on ones. Me and Brennan
had one on one, Like, yo, we need each other, bro,
Like me and Brennan were fucking enemies, like we used
to fight. We used to and damn their fight every
time we played against each other when I was with

(01:24:04):
the Bulls and when he was with the Wizards, like literally,
and then when.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
We got on the same team, it was still that
awkward energy to where we like and also he was
the starter when I came, you know, like so and
he was he was guaranteed the starting job, you know
what I mean, Like what the fuck? Like I can't
like they signed me late because like markin them didn't
think I was gonna be available, so they signed him
to his contract with a guarantee of starting, and then

(01:24:31):
they signed me. So then now you got that tension there.
So we had to iron that out, like you know
at some point through the years, Like, Bro, if were
gonna accomplish what we're gonna accomplish, we fucking need each
other and we can't be going at each other. I
got respect for you man, got love for you, Like,
I'm not trying to fucking take your spot. I'm not
trying to do Ship. I'm trying to win you. I'm
trying to win, but you did. I'm trying to Like

(01:24:56):
it can't be about me and you because we need you.
Whether if I'm starting, then you're gonna we need you.
If you started, you need me. Like whatever the fuck
is going on? Dog, Like it can't. It can't create
some kind of tension between us, Like we got to
be together and roll out and we were mature enough
to be able to have those come. Those come. That's
the problem. That's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
In the training camp game, did you guys believe you
guys are a championship team?

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Yes? Yes, Like Jet went and got the trophy tatted
on him before that was that was the tone. That's
that's at the tone Ship went, that's dumbest hell. Hey,
Bro came in like coming you leg exactly like he's

(01:25:41):
just he came in. He's like, Bro, I believe we
got the team. He was like, so I put the
championship trophy on that like this our year. That's real,
Like it was some real ship and we went through
all kind of like ship, you know what I mean,
like happing to be there for one of each other.
Like that's why when you go to that type of
mountaintop like them, dude to my brothers. For the rest
of my life, I see any one of them cats
on the street. Them is my brothers for the rest

(01:26:01):
of my life. Because you get a you have a
bond that's fucking unbreakable. Because you go through some ship
like you gotta put pride to side, you got you
gotta put all kinds of all that ego, gotta go
the fuck away in order to accomplish a championship. And
you love them brothers because they did something and helped you,
because you can't do that ship without them. You cannot
be like, I'm not winning I got these accolades. I'm

(01:26:24):
not winning a championship with all these dudes, no chance. Like,
so you love them forever for helping you accomplish you know,
some of your dreams. That's a fact, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
You just said something that is really the problem with
today's teams and the game. We've gotten so fucking young
that we got to you got ten to twelve players
on the team trying to establish themselves. That's fucking hard.
You can't even blame these young niggas. Yes, because they're

(01:26:54):
trying to get to their second contract. That's part of
roster building. Exactly. You gotta when you you just hit
it on top of the head, because when you got
a team that's already tried to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Do that, you who started exactly Man's making to get
back to that York would be doing that ship given
for pre game speech is going through the damn defensive
and the whole time, he paused, I'm like, we're talking basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
It's all good. I know you boy, give them. But
the biggest thing is like you had you had a
bunch of guys.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Ship out with this ball.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
When you got a bunch of guys that already had
that that time of they've already proved themselves, they already
got their bread and you put them on the same team.
You cool, But like I said, okay, see this year
is a rare.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Yeah, that's rare.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
The one they got a bunch of dudes. That's culture,
the culture. They built something there where they got to
buy yourself this dude.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
It's also I feel like the city, like I feel
like you can't you can't do that in New York.
It's gonna be too many outside the influences. And Forrest's
like you, like, no, you do that in Oklahoma City
because it's a great quiet family home the town. Yes,
that's preaching team and preaching to the like even out. Yeah,

(01:28:29):
the same thing as college. Like, you can't you can't
get away with that in the big city. Can do
that in l A.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Don't know, Shade does a garage cell with I just.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Saw that ship. That's gangster. That's that's crazy right there.
That's cute guys, and that's chemistry. Can do that in Memphis.
You can't do it in New York? Why can't you.
They're gonna rob the ship a couple of you give

(01:28:57):
that motherfucking that dress. They're gonna rob the.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
Teammates only it's I know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
They're still gonna find out is in there over the
weekend running that bitch getting in the gated community. I'm
about to show up. I was doing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
All right, So listen, we're gonna take it back a
little bit. One of my favorite teams that I watched
growing up, putting you c P three David West.

Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
This guy's disrespectful.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
I'm pointing at Charlie the clips.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
The clips cool.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
It was cool if we got you on camera when
you were talking that ship. It was cool.

Speaker 5 (01:29:38):
Like Peter and Peter Bros.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Monday though, God damn Peter, Chris Paul back on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Okay, they're gonna see me take the ball out a
little bit. We won that game though, has no idea
won that game?

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
You don't, okay, bro, So I just remember obviously the
west top of the key Chris Paul's screen Tyson for
the lob.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Do you think you guys should have won a championship
with that team?

Speaker 8 (01:30:16):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Yeah, I don't have enough. We didn't have enough. So
realistically no, because we didn't. But after that, if you.

Speaker 5 (01:30:29):
Got stuck together for a little bit longer.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
We stuck together and they actually gave us like more
players like and they act they if they we as
a as players and as coaching staff, we're going for
a championship. The organization was not going for a championship.
You called a year later because I was on there
for three years. A year later after this, after we

(01:30:53):
really start going rolling, was my second year. After my
third year, they traded me. They traded me for a
Mecca for for salary, like you just just you know,
I didn't know that they traded for you. Yeah, they
traded me for America for salary. They tried to trade
me before that that got rescinded, but Chris Wilcox and
somebody else to Oklahoma City, right, So I only finished

(01:31:16):
the year there that year because my trade got rescinded
in my third year. So they tried to trade me
off my third year and then they went to Oklahoma City.
The doctor there, uh yeah, flagged my physical and rescinded
the trade. Then I had to go back to New
Orleans to finish the year. That was awkward. Awkward as fun, guys,

(01:31:39):
they tried to do that in the middle of the night.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
If you did go to Okay, see, that would have
been the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Hey, no, that's a different dynasty, like respect the perk, Yeah, no, disrespect.
But I like games much better. Not only that, this
was my young boys, like Rush from La James from
l A. Like, it's like it's different, you know what
I'm saying. So if I go there on top of that,

(01:32:04):
like our styles match athletically, I can keep up with him.
I'm actually gonna push the pace for them. I honestly
think we get two to three championship for two minimum
whatever that doctor is, he definitely got five. Like even
young was there, So you man serge playing the power
for I'm playing the five, the two athletic, big tough.

(01:32:25):
It would have been like we would have would have
been a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
It's CP three in the point guard Mount Rushmore. Yes,
well people don't know because it's only how many four?

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
So we had a conversation about the hard ass like
it's so many things, but we're.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Talking about I mean it was unanimous if you're talking
about traditional points.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Were talking about traditional traditional yes, yes, like there, I mean,
how many more floor generals you know that you're putting
over CP that has the type of i Q basketball knowledge.

Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
And like so who's easy?

Speaker 8 (01:32:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
How many?

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Though that's the only point who is who is easy
to play with? JK?

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
First of all, I got Ja Kidd like in year
sixteen or some shit which are different, crazy like that
he was doing that. Then I had CP in year
two coming off of his rookie year, little hot head
for sure, Like you don't know how many talks like

(01:33:23):
and I love that's my brother, Like I love like
you know how many talks we had to have, like
uh in the locker room, just to get CP to
pipe down a little bit, like just pipe down a
little bit on the floor. But that's like, it's like
what I talked about about me throwing the chair. That's
why I understood it. Like I talked about me throwing
the chair, you know, after losing my junior high championship.

(01:33:44):
That's CP. Cep like his dad told me a story
to helped me completely understand because it was my chair story.
He said. He said, I had a little basketball court
in the uh in the basement, him and CJ, which
is his older brother, would play one on one. He said,
they were playing one on one and I'm filming it
and then c J dunked on CP and was like oh,
he said, CE jumped up and socked them Like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
That's sound about right. So that tells you everything you
need to tell you everything you need to know about periods. Nah,
you could just tell they didn't. There's no reason that
team should have broke up.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
That's what I said when we were young.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
There was nothing that broke up.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
That was she didn't have enough that you play with.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
You guys need a piece, we need a bench, like,
but they weren't investing in the team, like we were
having to play forty minutes a game. Pop had a
strategy against us. He ran us to death, like he
was throwing waves at us, like because he trusted their system.
So Timmy was getting you know, like they're getting their
burn and getting rest. They throwing out, they throwing fresh. Guys,
We're still in there, like me go, I'll come back in.

(01:34:50):
I'm like ship yeah, like he fresh. Now I'm about
to do with this like so you know, like when
we didn't have enough, like you know, and.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
This is prime to Duncan too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Prime gets don't get about it. He don gonna give
you all the work. You won't and no light it
won't say nothing good hell, good work. Good. That was
a good defense. I used to hate the ship out
of that. That might be the worst. That's the worst.
Who is Obviously you never got mad at him, You

(01:35:22):
never wanted to fight him. It's just like good job laughing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
His guard obviously say really, shock up?

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Was it was it?

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
KG? Was it a tip?

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Tommy?

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
Who? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
It's It's honestly so hard to like judge that error
because I came in into an era where you were
facing a monster and I'm not even putting it lightly.
Every night, like power forwards were the thing, you know,
like the league goes where it's like, all right, shooting
guards are thing, wings are the thing? Are bigs? Like
you know, when I came in, it was bigs, Like

(01:35:54):
you were gonna see a great big every single night,
whether it was a singer or power forward, and I
had to guard him. So it's like, you know, whether
like because people leave a sheet off of that list,
which I don't know why, Like she is one of
the most skilled players I've ever faced in my life, Like,
so I'm throwing sheet in there, I'm throwing kg I'm

(01:36:14):
throwing Dirk, I'm throwing Duncan. Those will be my my
toughest guards. But then you thought ship was sweet, thinking
you have an off night against somebody like mc dice,
who was nice, who was a borderline All Star, we
should have been like so I'm saying these were your
nights up. And then you had the young like who

(01:36:35):
was my generation that I'm trying to compete against, whether
it's Amar Zach Randolph like these cats not even playing,
but Zach wasn't Amari was, like you know, so it's
it was so many great talk about like people like
Mari is one of the top power forts of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
He was like, I don't know why at the honest
players to watch and you know he's going right, he
can't go. You can't stop them. He cannot be that part.
He knew that he cannot. He's going athletic and with
Steven see, this is the ship that I can.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
I can. I can hold my own again. I feel
like against anybody, take shock the funk out like again,
against anybody, like guarding and one on one. But when
you put somebody in a pick and roll, that's what
I When you put somebody in a pick and roll,
it takes that away because I gotta just shift my
body a little bit. At Steve Nash is coming off
and we dumped that fucking ball off. Now I'm going back.

(01:37:32):
I'm late with a live body of them already going
downhill to his right. It's fucking impossible, so quick took
off his feet. I feel like, and he's still one
of the greatest. He's one of the greatest of all time.
Should have been in that top seventy five. I feel like,
and now I'm shifting to Yeah, I'm shifting to Dwight.
I feel like if Dwight Howard had continue to run

(01:37:55):
that pick and roll with Jamir in Orlando, God damn
like that dude. He's like he like it was not
getting sleep the night before you you and the way
are you doing all that ship like leading up because
he was such a problem in a pick and roll. Like,
he was such a problem because you're he's so athletic
and strong and he had moves, so he's now catching

(01:38:16):
you off balanced and it's impossible. But when you can
get at him just on the block, it's easier guard.
But you could hear him, bump and fire him, get
him off his spots or whatever. So if like, because
when you're talking about tough guards, had the White stayed
in that pick and roll like and then keeping that
like and then posting up off of that, I probably
would put him. Did he go to Lakers first or Houston?

(01:38:39):
The White that wasn't with James because we were in
there with with Trade. We were actually in the USA,
uh needing and Kobe was talking about pull the trigger.
He's like, pull the trigger and then he walking out
to me and was like and we didn't know what
the fuck he was talking about and then they moved

(01:38:59):
the white.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
Quickly on your wasn't that wasn't that pick and roll?
Really heato and the white that was really a problem
that year.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
I mean any one of them, it don't matter matter
standing in the pick and roll the white when you
had to shift off and they come back, he used
to seal you in the lane and you were never
getting back on.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
What I remember though as well, I said, I remember
that heat on the white pick and roll.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
A lot of problems for a lot of teams.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
That's that's what they went to the finals on there,
just off the strength of was hurt. Yeah, was just
Fly L three Fly.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Another name that you didn't mention that was I gotta
give him his flowers to his Jermaine O'Neil bro Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
No, Jermaine. And it was a problem. Have you Absolutely,
the West so many problems, That's what I'm saying. I
didn't even mention him.

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
And it's like, damn if you talk about the West
during during that era, Zebo, Amari, even Elton Brandt, Yeah,
you had a lot of problems in the West.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
The West was That's why I said, there was not
a power for it. That wasn't good on top not
making an all star game, like good luck you just all.
I guess you already know these guys are slotted like
God bless you this year.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
Good look?

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
All right, well, I got a couple more questions for
you before we head out. What's your opinion on the
We had a big debate about the international game catching up,
so might have obviously twenty twelve, we didn't even mention
that he's a gold medal Olympian at the beginning of
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
We want to that's you, the one that made the
fucking graphics.

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
My fault.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Damn bro.

Speaker 5 (01:40:35):
It's a team effort, but y'all just gonna leave me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
We don't make the graphics. We didn't make the graphics.
You want me to do the graphics to ship bro.
You guys could have told me I'm gonna need more
points if you need me to graphics.

Speaker 5 (01:40:44):
Yeah, you you You don't throw You don't throw your
teammate on the bus like that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Never never, But anyways, team always.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
We had a big debate about if the International Games
caught up. My big debate with all them is that yes,
one to fifteen in a lot of countries can match
up because they played together in all this chemistry, but
if you look at the next fifteen best players from Serbia,
France to the next sixty, it doesn't even compare with
the US.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Okay, let's go ahead. I'm gonna get ahead. I'm gonna
go ahead. Tell him how the fucking line we can
play the click? He said, No, we we start, we
start talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
We started.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
We were talking about the team. We were talking about
if we put them.

Speaker 6 (01:41:24):
I'm not saying your debate question was there? The question
was I'm not asking that. We're talking about the Star
Game question, the All Star Game. I'm not arguing that
world verse USA.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
If you compare those two teams, not comparing countries they called.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
I'm not arguing that point. That's all I disagree. I'm
talking country specifically. I don't think the world is caught up,
because if you look at countries, it's not close.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
If we're talking like whole mass yes they have not
we agree with that, but they're talking about the players
that we're saying yes yes, like like this was brought
to my attention by a couple of years ago in
the locker room. It looks like a t R who's
is in your top ten or top five like you have.
Is it international winning or is it I think it

(01:42:11):
was top ten. It's top ten in your top ten?
Is it more that's what he says, more international players
or more an American plan. I was like, what American?
What is he talking about? Because I answered it really
fast and it goes really and then so I start yeah,
and I had to look at him and remember who
I was talking to him, like okay, clearly he's in.
And then I start I'm like, oh, Ship, yeah, and
he just started laughing because yeah, because because because you

(01:42:35):
always want to go man brons, like you know, you
can start there. And it's like, Ship, all these guys
are older, like all of their young the way younger.
So I'm like, Ship, So the answer to your question
is yes, I would have to say, yes, the world
has caught up. I called up catching catching, catching up.
The world is catching up, like two or three years

(01:42:55):
from now. They might oversee it like the way the
game is going, this is the problem. This, This is
what I This is where I see the problem. Internationally.
They are actually teaching the game and they're going into
clubs that are teaching them how to play basketball. The
right way, So at a young age. So they're going

(01:43:17):
into clubs at fourteen fifteen years old, right, we're playing AAU.
As we know, AAU is a shit show yep to
the end today, right, so they're just right now, AAU
is all about, which has been the players we can
buy and throw on the court and like have the
best team like that, like that we could the names

(01:43:39):
or whatever. Right, but they're not teaching them shit. They're
not learning during that summer in the international guys, they're
starting at a young age understanding and learning the fundamentals
of the game and being pros. Yes. And then so
when they come here, they already have an edge. And
now that fear factor of us dominating them is gone.

(01:44:00):
Like the last time I played for Team USA, like
we didn't have that fear fear factor advantage, Like I
ain't thought they could beat us, and they damn near did.
Like it went down to the wire in the Gold Game,
like as you've seen this year went down to the
wire too. That doesn't go off in trouble against Frances's.

(01:44:24):
And you got all of it, like if you've if
you've been paying attention and you see the scouting and
you see what's happening. You go in the France gym,
you might see a gym full of six seven and
six nine players that are just going against each other,
sharping their iron and like gonna be coming over here
in the next year. I don't we're not seeing that

(01:44:46):
in American gyms because it's like it's it's not as focused.
It's a little spread out and watered down, you know,
because of.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
A think about this, let me get my you're not
letting my shit get walt too much home, damn eight right,
KD might play right, yes, Lebron probably not gonna play.
Steph is not gonna play. The world that's caught up

(01:45:18):
because if you take those if you take the bronze,
the steps out against the world, it is a little.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
You're gott in coop. You're adding aj You're adding a
bunch of young guys, are.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Adding a bunch of young guys are coming up versus
you got the Giannises is still in their prime, the Jokis,
the Lucas, the Wemby are still in their prime. When
was the last time we've seen an American m VP.
Our development has to get better. When was the last time?
What year was it twenty nineteen, so you're gonna tell

(01:45:53):
me the world hasn't caught up.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
So my argument and nobody still address it, is if
you took the best American players versus the next fifteen
best Serbian fifteen to thirty on Serbia, they're getting I'm
gonna tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
I'm gonna tell you why you're being disrespectful To be
honest with you. You don't do you watch international basketball?

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
A little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Not too much? Okay, So I'm gonna tell you this
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
There's a lot of international players that play overseas that
can play in the NBA. There's a lot of people
that play. Listen, bro, listen to me. Why do you
think we are getting? It's getting closer. Those guys are
starting to hang around with us when they play on
international teams.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Those players can play.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
There's a lot of guys that come over here and
play basketball and play the right way. We are just
so focused on younger players. I think that's why we
have more of a chance here and they see them more.
There's a lot of guys over there that can play
over here if they want it to, but they're comfortable
where they are they're comfortable playing for the same system

(01:46:50):
and playing the right way, and some of those guys
don't want to leave home.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
Yes, so let me So you're saying that who didn't
make the US roster, So let's just say because Quie
didn't play, so we got we got power, we got
Polo was one on the roster this year, Kawhi. We
got Polo, we got Jayalen Brown, we got Jalen Brunts.
And you're saying that the next fifteen guys in Serbia
or France are as talented as those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
I'm not sure. I wait because because when you say
don't play, you're talking about straight Olympics.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
I'm talking about the next fifteen. I'm talking about the
top fifteen American players. And then okay, cool, because you
can't that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Because it's like it's Kawhi, I'm playing the next Olympics.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
No, I just met in general.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
So you'recving like we're saying they're there, though, what what?

Speaker 9 (01:47:28):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
What do we say they are catching?

Speaker 5 (01:47:31):
If you are so naive to say they are, I'm
saying it's not caught up. That's what I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
We said, they are catching.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
No one's bringing up an argument saying that you guys
said that. I'm just asking Tyson for his opinion because
I'm I'm given the case on Yes, the first twelve
in each country have caught are very close, but if
you look at the next one hundred, it's not close
in my opinion, That's what I'm saying. I didn't say
anything to do with our argument. I said we had
a big discussion around it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:54):
I'm not bringing up so are you saying twelve in
each country? The first twelve in each country are probably close,
but I'm talking countries. Are there one hundred and sixty
eight something like one hundred and sixty eight countries? There's
twelve in each country.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
I'm talking as a general collective feel. That's what I'm
trying to explain.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
If we just going and just even just just just
to Europe, like I feel like I feel like they're
catching up, and I feel like what the League is investing,
Like this is the problem that I have, right, is
our AA system where we're at, and are you compared
to what they're doing over there and even what's being
added over there, because the Europe is I mean, it's
the Europe. The NBA is pouring pouring into the European

(01:48:38):
game of course, so it's only going to continue to
grow because now you're going to start having athletes out there,
former athletes teaching them, so they're going to have what
they already learned because it's a different style of basketball,
different artistry, and then they're going to have the American influence.
So I just think the world gained just the gap
is getting close. It's not necessarily. I think the world.

(01:49:00):
The game is just global. It's a global game. So
that's why it's just like the map is getting because
everybody knows the game.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:49:10):
No, it's all good points. I was just asking for
Tyson's thoughts. I want the debating. What we had an argument.

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Moving on.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
Last thing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
We like doodles. Damn he went to the noodles because PTSD.
We gotta get him. What's going on. He got He
got made fun of when he was younger about his noodles,
and he got a little and we're not there with him.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
He was breaking Brady. He told hers like you not bullied.
He got bulled.

Speaker 5 (01:49:44):
I didn't get bullied. Bring it out, world, Hold up, y'all,
bring it out, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Bring out his private conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
What I'm saying is that getting bullied means that I
got pick No, I'd come the next day. I read
noodles and will sit beside you and eat the noodles
and then we can scrap it up.

Speaker 5 (01:50:07):
I didn't get I didn't get bullied. But anyways, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
The last thing we got for today is, uh, Damian
Lillard and Marcus do you want to play a cook?

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Peter? Peter get this one right?

Speaker 8 (01:50:25):
He was like, you serious.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
I'm like, I don't see what the issue is.

Speaker 8 (01:50:29):
So i walk out of the meeting with them and
I'm just like, it's our relationship, salvage you. I'm thinking
to myself, like, why don't they ask me that? So
I'm walking to the car, call l A like hell,
what's up? And he like, what's up? Bro? I'm like,
we're supposed to be coming to meet you, Like why
they you know what I'm saying, why they asking me?
He like, man, you know I'm hearing that, you know,

(01:50:50):
people saying it's your team, and you know they telling
me it's my team and they gonna do this and
all this other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:50:58):
Who's saying what so you know it's too late now,
Like you know, I'm gonna move on. That's what he's
saying to me on the phone. So I'm like, all right, bruh,
Like you know what I'm saying. I thought everything was smooth.
I ain't even know none of this stuff existed, you
know what I mean. So we get off the phone.
Shortly after that it came out like he signed with
the Spurs. You know, I was more confused because I'm like,

(01:51:20):
I never even been in their offices before today. Like
I never was in the office before today. So I'm
like it had to be just like rumors of people
saying that, you know, they telling Dame one thing and
telling you something. It took for us to be on
different teams for four years for me to talk to
him like bruh, Like they never said nothing about no
team or none of that to me. I never even

(01:51:41):
had no conversations with them outside of when I see
him at the arena rat practice on the court and
they shake my hand, like how is everything? Like we
finally got to the bottom of it, Like, man, it
was really just other people saying stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:51:53):
Wow, what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
That's crazy working who put the sound music behind it?
Because that's how I felt it. That's good editing, Like, yeah,
that's tough, Like you hate to hear that that shit
is trash, like I'm saying as trash would have happened,
Like I hate that, like if you know if I damn,

(01:52:19):
I'm like I can only say, like, damn, if I
was on the team or somebody was on the team
that could talk to him, because that shit is just trash.
That first of all, is trash. Just whose team is it?

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Who cares? Who gives a ship? Like both of them
was talented as hell. Both of them were talented enough
to be that guy, and you need each other, and
especially at that time in the league, neither one of
them was going to accomplish anything by themselves. So it's
just that shit is tough to hear that things are
word that far gone to where those two that are

(01:52:54):
in the locker room. I hate to hear that that
those two were in the locker room every day and
they couldn't speak to each other. Mm hmmm. And I
always hate when other forces get involved because there's no
reason why them. I know, I've been around both of
them and they're both great dudes. So I just feel
like anybody, because they're both sensible dudes. I feel like

(01:53:16):
anybody could have set them down and be like, oh,
this is who gives this is bullshit? Like look at
the long picture, look at like what's going to be
at the end of this, like at the end of
you guys's career, and what do you want your career
to be about? And let's walk back from there. And
it just sucks that nobody set them down. And you know,
it took all them years, put them the material on

(01:53:37):
their own to have that moment on their own before
it got to that point because we lost, you know,
a hell of a duel.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
It's a prime indication of having a bunch of influences
around you, a lot of people around you, and instead
of them talking directly with each other, they would listen
to each other's camps or whatnot. Like so I get
it because these guys are young. So it goes back
to having that like that older dude, mature dude like

(01:54:05):
to kind of take control of the situation.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
So he's older.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
At the time because he was dropping two thousand and
seven and this he put one year in college of
two years and twenty fifteen almost.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
But again it just comes down to them not dealing
with each other, talking to each other versus just listening
to what everyone else is saying, right, And it goes
to that's what happened, basically, you know, they listening to
outside forces.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
And that's why they didn't win like that exactly because
because because for sure that ship was affecting them before
that moment exactly. And this ship is like a lesson
for the young players out there, you know, like because
I'm sure there's there's there's two players on the team
right now that's going through the same ship. And it
should never. It should never, it should never get to

(01:54:53):
that point because you know, it's one thing if y'all
are having issues and it's like I can't I can't
play with this dude. I'll try communicating at you'll, like,
that's one thing, but it's another. To never have a
fucking conversation until that point is a little saddening. I mean,
that's that's just a prime Like I said, I've said it.
What they didn't win because of that. You blame the

(01:55:14):
Portland Trailblazers, and you gotta blame the people, and you
got to get fall to La and Dame. Dame was younger,
so he's like kind of naive, like, oh, we're good,
we're doing what we're doing. We were growing every single year.
I don't see no issue. But l A, why would
you not go talk to him? That's a good point

(01:55:37):
or you got You're probably right, La is younger. Why
I need to go talk to this little nigga? That's
probably what's going on. This is my ship.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
You need to come talk to me. But they don't
know no better. So it's ultimately it's not even on
La and Dame no more. It's on Portland. If you
want these two to be together, you bring them all
to one uh in the room together. Hey, look we
got this. La feels like it. I'm pretty sure Dane
would have been are you right? This is your shit?

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
Like, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
And I'm gonna tell you exactly why I feel that way.
This is why Jason Kidd unbelievable coach. I'll never forget.
We were in Detroit. I want to say he was
in Detroit and Kyrie had just got there. Granted we
didn't do much, we didn't make the playoffs of nothing, right,
We're all in the meeting room and we're just waiting.

(01:56:29):
But Jake Kidd knew Luca and Kyrie had to have
a conversation together, just them two because we weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
We weren't.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
Dallas not gonna go far unless them two all a line.
Like Luca is a guy, he's not very vocal because
A he's from another country. He has to get comfortable
with you before he starts talking to you. But Jake
Kids been there. He knows that matters. That you got
to have your stars understanding and on the same page.
I'm pretty sure in that moment. And I used to

(01:57:00):
have conversations j Kid all the time. He's like, they
got to talk. They got to have that conversation. Okay,
he let them see if they did it on their own.
All right, look, I'm gonna make sure y'all have that
conversation now.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
And now they had it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
Look at them, they had one of the best relationships.
They got it together. It didn't work out that year,
and then what happened the next year they won a championship,
They went to the final, not win the championship.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
They went they went to the finals.

Speaker 3 (01:57:25):
Because at the end of the day, when you have
that relationship with the best player on the team. You're
willing to go that extra mile. You're willing to do
a lot more for that player than it is if
you don't have that communication, because like in the back
of your mind is a fucking it's a scary thing
because I could sit here and look at cv CEV

(01:57:46):
might be in the back of it like this Nigga
Thie oh doll would just be talking all the time
and I don't really fuck with them, but I'm getting paid.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
That's that's how I feel about home conversation. We need
to go.

Speaker 5 (01:58:03):
You just want your hilfh a point, bro, that's all
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
That might solve everything. T kid understanding that and getting
in front of it and like understanding that that needed
to be done and had to be done.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
Bro, that's the it had to be done. And the
thing is, you think Kyrie and a d ain't had
a conversation. He's making sure these things happen. And that's
where coaches now, you have to have open and honest
communication because at the end of the day, you can
never come back and say I didn't fucking know that,

(01:58:37):
like Dame just did. Transparency in the league, it's the
number one thing in my opinion, if you transparent with somebody,
they can never say they didn't fucking know that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
That's a perfect indication of miscommunication, not communicating. That's all
that is, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
I actually got one more thing for you to I mean,
you can get in on this if you want.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Oh can I say this right quick? Bro, Bruce World
just as is retiring.

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
That's what Justin just texted us as well.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
Probably randomly. Probably the NIL ship is like fuck it.
But that's what's crazy, Bro. This ship is running these
great coaches out because it is. They got to manage
it's different. I'm telling you. I'm telling you right now,
NBA coaches are about to go to college. I believe
that because A, you got more stability and it's an
NBA game now.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
It is. You got to operate this ship as an
NBA game, and you got to talk to players. You
gotta talk to play now, like you got to understand
how to motivate them. And that's what the NBA is.
How is the player making more money than the coach?

Speaker 6 (01:59:36):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Like, that's tough. So you got to treat it like
the But these older coaches they probably can't handle it.
Stuck and they can first of all, like the n
has been bullshit for too many years. Yes, and they've
been able to do this ship for too many years
and being able to have players being stuck there because
they give him a scholarship and they can't move and
they know you can't move, and they've been operating out

(01:59:58):
of that fear. Now they don't have that fear exactly.
Now they got actually be personable and they can't lie
and say, oh, yeah, come here.

Speaker 3 (02:00:04):
I like how you're advocating for the college player and
you ain't never go toge exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
Boards would you guys say the era of coaches being
the face like coach.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
I can see it changing. I can see, like you know,
it just it depends like a hot cat. It's like
it's gonna be like the NBA, but but closer in
four years. If you got that hot cat that's coming in,
I could very soon seeing like you know, a fab five,
where like young players are going to the same school
to just build up a system, get a championship, and
get on up out of there. Like I'm surprised we
ain't seen that yet. Oh, it's about it's about to happen.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
That's gonna be a bunch of it's gonna be a
bunch of coaches going to that because a colleges you
have way more stability than you do as an NBA coach.
B You have to recruit these guys and you have
to understand Listen, I know where you're trying to go.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
You want to get to the league exactly. You're gonna
be able to relate to them a lot better than
coach win. It's changing though.

Speaker 3 (02:01:04):
Before our goal was to go to the NBA, right,
But now with these kids making all this money in college,
coaches like, how can I maximize the most that I can?
And that's why you see the numbers of players who
enter the draft this or this pasty. It's just dropped
and it's going to continue to drop because they want
to stay more in college because they in the bag
in college.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
I'm not mad, but it also hurt. It hurts.

Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
I mean it hurts the league. I go to pet
because now players are staying are staying more in college.
The goal is not to make it to the NBA
no more. But I don't feel like that hurts the
league that they're staying in college. Like I feel like
the players hopefully come out prepared.

Speaker 4 (02:01:43):
But I would argue the fact that if you're not
in the same system developing, because if you're jumping four
schools in four years, then you're probably not developing that much.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
I mean you might fucking jump four teams and yeah.
And the one thing I will say too is like
even me coming out of high school and then seeing
all you know, the college players come in here and
out like it's it's it's personnel because just because you
went to college, don't mean that you're gonna come into
big writing because he's two different games. You have an
NBA coach and yeah, then yeah that's whyle like Caler

(02:02:12):
Perry pumping guys out, Like yeah, okay, But like if
you're not in a system like that, then not necessarily.
I was in peace Jam the past two years and
I talked to a bunch of uh bunch of college
coaches and they're like, man, this shit crazy, And I'm like,
is it? Yeah? Exactly?

Speaker 3 (02:02:30):
Really that fucking hard because I'm like, control is going
the controller. That's why it's crazy to them. The control
is gone. And you know, I'm talking to older coaches,
you know what I'm saying, All the young ones. They're
like excited by it, like.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
I have a chance. Now.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
You were losing it. You were losing the Bruce Pearl
to Coach Williams to coach k before. You didn't have
a chance because off the straight pedigree those guys was
getting them to to the NBA because they built that name.
Now uh uh oh, I can relate to you. So
this the landscape is changing, my buddy, This ship is crazy.

(02:03:08):
What was you gonna say, You was gonna say something. Oh,
you said keep me out of the count.

Speaker 2 (02:03:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:03:13):
So to wrap up, he says North Carolina as the
hoop state. Obviously you're from Cali. You're starting fives New York.
That's what I'm saying. I'm sure you got something to say.
So we're gonna go from shooting Guards, small Ford Power
Forward Center.

Speaker 5 (02:03:28):
You guys are from New York.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
So from New York, from Caldy No, no, no, But
what he's saying is, y'all don't got a chance.

Speaker 5 (02:03:34):
No I'm saying, I'm saying, listen, I believe New York y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
Got point guards. Yeah, you really don't got a chance.
But we're going to NBA. What are we going?

Speaker 7 (02:03:44):
Hold on?

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
You talking about all time, all time, all time New
York greats.

Speaker 5 (02:03:47):
Great, you can hit it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
He's got I got to name my starting m J
from New York. No, he's from North.

Speaker 8 (02:04:00):
Born.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
We got like, look at my point, j from got
New York. He was born in New York. Bro We
not no one that, no one said he can't do that.
Stop it.

Speaker 5 (02:04:14):
So just pick your standing point. Who do you want something?

Speaker 2 (02:04:15):
Your point? I mean it's it's like, that's what I'm saying.
You got like I mean, because I got Baron Davis,
I got Russell Westbrook, I got James Harden.

Speaker 5 (02:04:24):
You got picked one ros Jason kidd k you got
j k all right? Who you got?

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
I got better?

Speaker 5 (02:04:31):
Pick Steph.

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
God damn, I forgot. I got Chris Chris Who you got? What?

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
He got a Google Google? He got Google people from
New York? Steph okay, Reggie Miller exactly, he got stephry
I got Steph Curry my too, Okay, James Harden.

Speaker 5 (02:04:58):
Could you could want a lot of time.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
With Rod Strickland. No key, what you're losing, Steve from
my two Chris Manley.

Speaker 5 (02:05:12):
You're losing right now. You're who's your three history?

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):
I know Jordan who's your three Anthony is?

Speaker 5 (02:05:22):
He was he raising Baltimore? What is you're doing?

Speaker 2 (02:05:26):
Can't you can't claim you can't claim bottle from New York.
He was raising Baltimore, get the face of New York,
all that good stuff. But that we could do that,
I don't know that we could do.

Speaker 5 (02:05:39):
That's okay, we'llive him, we'll give him.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
I don't think we could do that, lady. And you
know he got a show called Brooklyn.

Speaker 5 (02:05:48):
Some ship he does Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
What about? Okay? Now, mellow, we got for your four,
that's what Who's I don't know my power for.

Speaker 7 (02:06:00):
Small boy?

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
I can go because because I got kareem New York,
New York. Damn it. Wait, there's another way I got.
Oh my gosh, go crazy. I could go Bill Russell,
Bill Russell from Cally. Isn't Bill Russell from like the
Bay Area?

Speaker 9 (02:06:18):
He might be right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
You gotta look game over Yeah, uh go Worthy, Oh
big game, James, Big games.

Speaker 4 (02:06:33):
No hero, he's from Louisy Ship. He was raising Oakland.
He was raising I thought, I thought raised. I'm going
to throw Russell meadow war piece. I need somebody in there,
a fighter. I need a fighter, So I need a
scrap like that.

Speaker 5 (02:06:49):
Look, Burn's trying to help you out right now.

Speaker 2 (02:06:51):
See Bill Russell is from San Francisco. Thank you, appreciate you.
Mash got anybody? Who else we got at the four?
Bill Russell's the five?

Speaker 5 (02:07:01):
He's your five? So who's your four?

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
I don't know my four? Tyson in this?

Speaker 5 (02:07:07):
You want to go small ball?

Speaker 2 (02:07:08):
You got Kawhill from Kah. I'm throwing Kahi in. There's
no way I'm not leaving.

Speaker 5 (02:07:14):
That's a lineup. Who you got is your five?

Speaker 2 (02:07:16):
He's looking it up right now. I am it's a
rap for y'all. You're putting it's a wrap. Can I
have a bench to ship? Yeah? Over here, I go Bam.
I want to go Brandan, but just Brendan. Brendan used
to just bake break backboards like I might go Brandon

(02:07:36):
just to protect I need a footer.

Speaker 5 (02:07:39):
He going Brandon.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
I got the second most points ever scored in NBA.
His sareem your last. You are not. He got number one.

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
You got number two, I mean he got sorry, he
got number three, number two. My fault number three.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
I think I might have that. We Cali. Yeah, I
think my bench is crazy. We competing y'all, y'all not gonna.

Speaker 5 (02:08:05):
Be bench is crazy to you? Didn't mentioned about we
went my pigs from China. No, you go to Toronto,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:08:15):
No, we're going China.

Speaker 5 (02:08:17):
We're China born and raised in Toronto.

Speaker 2 (02:08:18):
What are you talking about? Talking about where you're from?

Speaker 8 (02:08:21):
Toronto?

Speaker 2 (02:08:22):
Where you're from?

Speaker 4 (02:08:28):
Wowot, you never been so you are fraud, my fraud.

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
You've never been to China.

Speaker 4 (02:08:34):
No, I've been to I've been to Singapore, I've been
to some parts in Asia, but I've never been to China.

Speaker 2 (02:08:40):
He should be a shamed China. You need to take
a trip. Have we all been to China? All thet.

Speaker 7 (02:08:54):
We are.

Speaker 5 (02:08:58):
To the Baha in China talk the higher up talk
the higher ups.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
You don't want to go. You can go to Chinatown
because it's l a. I can take you to see
you all. We appreciate your brother. This has been an
unbelievable show. Everybody tuned into to the boy. How we
appreciate the love. We'll be back here tomorrow with my
boy May and Moody, So y'all tune in.

Speaker 3 (02:09:22):
Ray won't be back to Wednesday for everybody that was
asking about him, but we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
We're out of here. Come on Ray,

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