STUMP THE BUFF 2: The Titanic vs. Punk Rock

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show
that gives you the secret histories and little known fascinating
facts and figures behind your favorite TV shows, movies, music,
and more. We're not gonna do that today, Well we will.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
But we will und around to it. Yeah, we'll get
a round to it.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan run Tug and Jordan.
Today we are bringing back out of a combination of
ad hoc need and laziness and listener feedback, we're bringing
back a beloved installment. I can say beloved right. We
had one of them and it went over well, went
over really well. I loved that.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I've been pushing for us for a while. I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
That's true, you have. Yeah, so our inaugural stumped the Buff.
Jordan was doing Beatles trivia and I was doing horror
movie trivia, and Stump of the Buff is just what
it sounds like.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You know, you were asking each other trivia.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Questions about our pet obsessions, about our pet obsessions of
increasingly not increasingly. Jordan puts a lot of thought into this.
I don't but a very granular nature, and so we've
been trying to pitch another one that would have the
same kind of hilarious dichotomy as horror movies and the Beatles.

(01:22):
I don't know if we quite nailed the brief as much.
I disagree. Okay, okay, So this week on Stumped Above,
Jordan is going to be testing his knowledge of the
Titanic ship and movie.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't know, you tell me he came up with
the questions for me. Okay, it's gonna be both. It's
both good good good, And I'm gonna be testing Haigel
on his knowledge about punk rock.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, I mean, I have to give the caveat that
I kind of tune out by the late nineties. So
we're gonna be doing what you know, many people of
our demo and Above would consider the classic era. I know.
I mean, dude, people consider Blanquinity too classic punk now.
But for all intents and purposes, we're going to be
talking about, you know, the birth of it from the
late seventies into the mid nineties.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I mean, you don't know that this is punk rock
as defined by me, So you might be like, what
the hell's this? That's also true?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
That could happen so we have not seen each other's
questions in advance. We are off to the races. And
that is as much of an intro as I'm going
to summon at this exact moment. Thank you for listening.
I say that at the end after a great start, George,

(02:39):
do you want to go ahead? Or should I give
you a launch?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah? Let me start, unless you don't can follow me,
because I did try to put this into some form
of a shape. I have seven rounds for a total
of fifty questions.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Jesus Christ. Some of them are themed rounds. Some of
them are bag We're not doing that, We're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, I've already done it.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's gonna be like an a clockwork orange.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm just gonna gonna tie you down, pry your eyes
open so you can see me on the zoom, and
I'm just gonna pummel you with questions about punk rock
bodily functions.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Okay, okay, Well, here's your inaugural, here's your here's your
here's your opener, and tell me this is if this
is too granular, and.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I will adjust.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
On April tenth, the Titanic left the Southampton Dock narrowly
escaped a collision with another ship.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
SS New York. Yeah, it was really crazy. The ship
was so big that the suction it drew from its
propellers caused all these other ships that it was steaming
past to break free of their moorings. And it was
just drawn to the Titanic like a giant magnet, much
like me as a child. And the ship grew terrifyingly

(03:54):
close and nearly rammed the side of the Titanic before
it left the dock at Southampton. So it's made the
voyage was nearly over before it started, which you know,
in retrospect you could say if it had a collision
and needed to be brought back in the dock for repairs,
it wouldn't have gone out into the North Atlantic and
it wouldn't have struck the iceberg. So if the ship

(04:14):
had hit the Titanic, you know, we might not be
talking about the Titanic today. And also the ship was
called the New York, which is where the Titanic was headed.
So it's very It's a lot of a lot of fate,
a lot of questions of fate wrapped up in that.
Sorry I should have let you finished the question.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
No, I anticipate that's how a lot of these will
be going. Here is your official scorecard. Sound am I
living mas? Yeah? All right, there we go. One point
for Jordan.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Okay, okay, I'm not keeping score.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Jordan. You did that last time and I won, But
you did you? Oh, okay, I win in the in
the spirit, if not the letter.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Well yeah, you went in the fact that you're married
with a nicer apartment. All right, all right, we're not okay.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm just gonna give me, give me a round of
several Okay, okay, okay, we do clusters. What was the
name of the Titanic crewman deserted at Queenstown?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh, man, that's a great question. I don't know his name,
but I know that, you know, there's a part of
me that wonders if he was just a random guy
who said that he was like, you know, had a
bad feeling about that ship and I got up. You know,
it was a part of me that wonders if it's
actually true. I don't know his.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Name, though, Can you let me know of what about
his position on the ship?

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I think he was a stoker. He was a relative.
I mean, not to be awful, but I think he
was a relatively low ranking member of the crew who
just jumped ship. Because the Titanic had several stops to
make before it went out to the North Atlantic. It
left from Southampton, England. Later that night it arrived at Sherburg, France,
and then the next morning it arrived at Queensland, Ireland,

(05:55):
where a few passages departed.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I want to say not many. I want to say something.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Like twelve passengers departed, and one of whom was a
Franciscan priest and father, Francis Brown, and he was an
amateur photographer, and he took a lot of photos on
board of shipboard life, and they're some of the only
pictures we have of the Titanic's interiors. Plus, you know,
the only pictures I really have of shipboard life. Him

(06:22):
and another family who disembarked, I think they're called the
Odell's also had a few amateur you know, because it
was the early days of porest photography.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So I was gonna say like silver, like.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, something like that. Now, So the answer is.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Fireman John Coffee, Okay, yeah, And his previous ship had
been the Olympic.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
It was the Titanic sister ship. He was paid six
pounds a month.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
The ship that he joined after disembarking the Titanic was
the Mauritania, and he remained a fireman at sea, but
he would have another aquatic accident befall him in nineteen
forty one.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
He was rescued after falling into the river Hull.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
He died in fifty seven and is buried in Hull
in an unmarked grave. So, oh that's not that's not
Good's well? That ends well for John Coffey.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Was his death maritime related or aquatic related?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I does not say, good question, good question, Well, thank.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
You, thank you? Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
So, which was the first lifeboat to be lowered from
the Titanic. That's really good, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I'm not sure. I mean, okay, these are the kinds
of facts that I am not good at.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I know, And that's what you warned me. And so
now i'm I'm you shouldn't let me know. That's true.
That never let him, never let him know your weak
point before competition boat twelve. So good guess number seven
lowered at twelve fifty six a m.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
So it was about an hour and about an hour
or twenty minutes after the ship struck the Iceberg.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
And it was only filled with nineteen yes out of
a capacity of I.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Believe somewhere between sixty to seventy sixty five.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Very good, very good. And do you know which prominent
film actress and later socialite and activist was on board that.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I forget a first time somebody Gibson, Dorothy and Dorothy
gibbson Yes. And then within weeks I think if the
Titanic sank in April fifteenth, nineteen twelve, I think by
the end of the month, like April thirtieth, something like that,
she made a QUICKI cheapy, silent movie called like Escape
from Titanic or Rescue from.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Titanic Saved from the Titanic YEP, released a month after sinking.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Incredible. Yeah, don't let them tell you that, like you know,
Craven attempts to cash in on tragedies is a recent phenomenon,
because it's we've been doing it for doing it for
a long time. Let's not be too judgeful of Dorothy.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
It was the last film she supposedly suffered the nervous
breakdown after completing it.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, I'm sure making that movie wasn't her idea. I'm
sure some some cigar chopping executives. All right, honey, are
you still got the clothes from that night?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
All right?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Great?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
All right?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Who do we got under contract? Who survived the Titanic?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Deep exhale of cigar smoke?

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, and she was pilloried over it.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I'm just saying about how oh yeah, I mean her performance.
So the fact that she did.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
It, the fact that it was even released.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I think it's what as a lost film? Now, Oh,
I'm sorry. That was not the correct That was not
her last film. She starred in one more film called
Roses and Thorns, released in May of nineteen twelve, but
probably filmed around the same time, and then she had
a reported nervous breakdown, retired from acting, and pursued a
career as a chorus singer.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Who I hate to think of what that really means.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, it gets worse. She moved to Paris after the
dissolution of her marriage, and she eventually became a Nazi
sympathizer and of their alleged spies. She decided to quit
in nineteen forty four and was jailed and escaped, but
two years later would die of a heart attack, and indeed,

(10:11):
all known prints have saved the Titanic perished in a
fire in nineteen fourteen.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
The Prince perished.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
The prints were tragically died of diabetes related to common
Oh too soon, Yeah to sou rimp, Shelley de Vall,
How could you?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I'm so sorry. Well I'm one for three.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Geez, you want to do? You wanna change over? Give
me two more, give me, give me one more, two more. Okay,
so let's see what we got here.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Mine are so much easier than yours. I mean I
looked for hard stuff. Oh no, good, of course.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Like I was like, do you know which lifeboat the
unsinkable Molly Brown was in?

Speaker 1 (10:54):
I want to say?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Eight?

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Am I about to live Moss? Six? Yeah, there was
a fact about Molly Brown in my Titanic thread I
sent to you, and I'm trying remember what it is
when it is now.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, you did a lot about Molly Brown, as I recall,
or at least a graph something like that. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
She was credited for inventing or at least popularizing buffet
style eating.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's true, that's amazing. What was the How long did
it take the Titanic to sink?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Jordan struck the iceberg at approximately eleven forty night, and
it's believed to have gone under it about two twenty.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Damn, that is right on the money, exact time stamps.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, we know the time because when a lot of
the bodies were recovered, the watches that they had had
stopped at that point. And there's still been some watches
that were brought up from the seafloor where some of
them are stopped at that time, and some of them
were the hands have disintegrated the vanished, but there's like
a watermark scar at two twenty. Yeah, it's really it's

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really eerie.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Good lord, Okay, what about here's a gimme upon surfacing
from one of his Titanic dives, who was James Cameron
informed of nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
By Bill Paxton? That is my beloved Bill Paxton.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
As recovered in our Titanic episode. It was indeed, it
was indeed Bill Paxton who had the honor or burden
of informing James Cameron that nine to eleven had occurred.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Jim, Jim, nine to eleven just happened. And also you'll
know what that means later.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, we gotta talk.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
About Bill Paxton was also also watched the Motorcade with
JFK on the day that he was assassinated too.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
That's correct, he has, in fact a real life Forrest Gun.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, yes, he is all right, So I have a
fifty percent success ratio. I got three right and three wrong.
Let's let's see how you do with round one. This
is a just a grab background and the relatively easy,
although this first one's not, but I think you can
figure it out. Which punk Icon and then being generous
with the term Icon was fond of breaking and entering,

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ultimately stealing Ronnie Wood's fur coat, Rodney Wood of the
Faces and the Rolling Stones, and in an unrelated incident,
Keith Richard's Color TV and in a further unrelated incident,
David Bowie's PA system.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
These were all in I'm guessing these were all in London.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
That's correct, or thereabouts.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay, it's got to be one of the sex Pistols
or the Clash. The Clash were except for Joe Strummer,
who is the son of a diplomat like Paul Simon,
and in the Clash grew up in like project housing,
council housing, and they were all a bit The other
three members of the Clash were actually like considerably more
rough and tumble than Joe Strummer. In fact, you talk

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about the first time that he met them. They were
in the Dole Line and he thought that they were
sizing him up to fight him, but they recognized him
from his previous band, the one oh one Ers, and
were like trying to.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Get up their nerve to approach him.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
And so he hes talked about interviews about being like yeah,
and so I figured I'd take out Paul first because
he looked like he was the most tasty, like he
used that word. And then he was like, no, it's
probably going to go for Mick because he was the skinniest.
But I I, I that sounds so laddish. I'm just

(14:36):
gonna say it was one of the sex pistols. I
don't know which one, you know, I'll give it to
Steve Jones. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
He broke into Ronnie Wood's Richmond Hill mansion in the
winter of nineteen seventy two to seventy three and stoles
fur coat, and then a short time later to Keith
Richards's house on Cheney Walk. I think that's how you
say that in London and stole his color TV and
some of his quote hip clothes, and in a passage

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written by the writer John Savage said, Steve Jones's gang's
greatest coup came in July nineteen seventy three when David
Bowie was playing his big concert at the Hammersmith Odeon,
filmed by d A. Penny Baker. That was Bowie's famous
It was the it was the ziggy starred Us Farewell Show.
The boys slipped in easily since it was their local,
and hid until nighttime. There was a security guard a sleep.

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One of the gangs said, we walked on stage with
a pair of pliers snipping the wires. We took the
whole pa every single one of their microphones RCU were
recording it. So there were Neuman microphones about five hundred
pounds apiece.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Pounds the money, not the weight. Yeah, Neiman's are not cheap. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Prior to that, Steve had gone out and nicked a
minivan to cart the stuff away. Say that you're just
stole a minivan.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
It was me. It was me and Steve Jones. Paul,
that's Paul Cook, the drummer man. That is impressive. He
was like a genuine cat burglar.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
And the belief was that was the stuff that was used,
you know, the sex Pistols use that as they were forming,
you know, with that was the basis of the sex
Pistols in a way, theft from.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
A glam rocker. That makes sense. I thought they punk
guys loved David Bowie. They did like Bowie. I remember
in reading Actually funny enough, I remember reading a book
about the sex Pistols first American tour. Twelve days on
the road, they heard that Elvis had died, and Johnny
Rotten said, Oh, that's kind of sad. It's a bit

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like hearing like your old uncle died. It's a shame
it couldn't have been Mick Jagger. And so yeah, So
Steve Jones and Paul Cook were actually the foundation of
the sex Pistols. They'd been in another band. So and
you're like, they did Nick all their shit. But they
hung out at Malcolm McLaren's and Vivian Westwood's shop, which

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was hilariously surfing whatever trends they could. It had opened
as lead It Rock, and they were trying to cap
it lies on the teddyboy trend, which Jordan, do you
want to try and explain teddy boys?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Teddy boy is like an English hood in the fifties,
there wasn't really greaser culture.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Sort of dovetails with mods, right, like they were like
Natalie dressed and into like really and into R and B.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, they were. They were earlier that they were fifties.
Mods were sixties. It was sort of pre greaser culture.
In the fifties. They would wear these long Edwardian coats
hence teddy boy and word teddy, these big thick crape
soled shoes, brothel creepers, brothel creepers, yes, and these big
slicked back basically ducks ass haircuts. Like it was this

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weird English equivalent of greasers, but like minus the leather.
And then they would have things like I'm sorry, I'm
about to sound really named droppy, but I remember interviewing
Bringo Star.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Once and he was he very much was in a
teddyboy style in.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
The fifties, and he was telling me about how guys
would put razor blades in their jacket collars. So when
you know, hoods would try to grab them by their
jacket collars and pin them up against the wall, their
fingers would get cut, so it's like a safety measure,
which is interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, a little terrified. You imagine Ringo cutting somebody.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, the reason I remember that exchange so well was
because he demonstrated it on me by grabbing my jacket collar,
and I didn't know he was about to do that.
So to suddenly have one of the beatles pinning you
against the wall by your jacket collar made an impression.
Did you come.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Sorry? Malcolm mclarnin and Vivian Westwood had this shop that
was originally called Let It Rock to capitalize on the
teddies it was it was renamed Too Fast to Live,
Too Young to Die, and then it was then renamed Sex,
which like good marketing guys, and so the Paul Cook

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and Steve Jones meant Glenn Matt there, who is the
original bassist of the Sex Pistols, who's fired for either
being too well fed or too talented. And Malcolm McLaren
much like I mean, he was basically like Lou Pearlman
or one of these guys. He knew that Jones and
Cook could play, and he steveus Steve Vicious.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
It would not have worked.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's like when Freddie Mercury called said vicious Simon ferocious. Yeah,
So so McLaren knew that he had at least half
a band who could actually play and or three quarters
of one, and he auditioned Johnny Rotten by having him
sing or lip sync Alice Cooper's I'm eighteen into a

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shower head in the shop. Never let it be said
that the sex pistols were a musical concern first and foremost.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
You've actually led perfectly into my next question. Oh go on,
because Johnny Rotten made an impression on Malcolm McLaren on
the fu at the sex shop, not that kind of
sex shop, by a T shirt he would wear.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Johnny Rutten, I hate Pink Floyd.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, it was funny because Pink Floyd were God. They
would have been coming off of the wall. No, not
the wall.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Pink Floyd would have been wish you were here if
it was what seventy five, wish you were here with
seventy four. Yeah, so they would have been coming off
which you were here.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
And he described that shirt as like, you know, to
attack Pink Floyd at the time in British music was
like coming after the Queen, which they also did. But yeah,
it was famously an Pink Floyd shirt that he had
simply scrawled I hate over the front. Funnily punk rock
t shirts get people in trouble. There's the famous Legs

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McNeil oral history or the first first wave of New
York punk rock called Please Kill Me. One of the
guys recalls wearing a homemade please Kill Me shirt to
CBGB's and this gang member on the Bowery was like, really, Oh.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
It was Bob Gruen, who I actually was having dinner
with last night, which is the second dickish nap drop.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Sorry, trying and keep him to like one every five minutes, all.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Right, Sorry, sorry, sorry, but yeah, he was like, that
was one of the most shocking things I'd ever seen,
and I was just kind of like, really, like, you
have some other anecdotes from you and in this very
episode that are more shocking.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
My favorite Johnny Rotten fashion quote or quote about his
fashions to say is actually from Ladys McNeil.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
He said that he'd seen Johnny Rotten backstage at the
Sex Pistole's final Winterland concert, and he said its McNeil
wrote of Johnny Rotten, he looked like a duck on crack,
except he wore a long overcoat, so that he actually
resembled a French duck on crack. Amazing.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, I forgot that. The I Hate Pink Floyd T
shirt also had the band member's eyes scratched out, which
is such a wonderfully unhinged touch. Can you see Pink
Floyd is going through the change? Do you see this
is my design?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well?

Speaker 1 (22:09):
This is good, this is good. I get to sprawl. Yeah,
on the topic of things that suck or things that
people think suck. Who recorded the song sca sucks?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Oh? Good question.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I can give you a multiple choice if you want. Yeah,
could you tilt no use for a name? MXPH or Propagandhi.
It's Propagandhi. You're correct. Propagandhi is a great name. That's
a great name.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah. They'rey incredible. They are. I mean, I think like
every one of these guys they had some kind of
they stuck their foot in their mouth about something at
some point during the pandemic or in the identity politics
peak era. But they Yeah, they're an incredibly just a
legendary DIY fiercely leftist band. MxPx would not have said

(23:00):
Scott sucks. They I think they were like peers with
a lot of nineties punk bands. Actually, who are the
other people?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
No use for a name and tilt.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Those are blind spots for me.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Moving on. This isn't strictly sca, but it feels Scott Jason.
So that's why I felt.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I didn't know you were going to be bringing in Scott. No,
this isn't Scott, This isn't Scott.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What legendary punk has alter ego?
Buster Poindexter of Hot Hot Hot Fame.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Oh that's my boy, I know, That's why I asked it.
God by my blank on, his name's New York Dolls frontman. Oh,
come on, god, what the fuck is that dude's name?
David Johansen.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes, I didn't know that until very recently.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Saw him as Buster Pointdster.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
What yeah? Do this?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Why? Why? Because?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Well? So, first of all, I mean he is truly
a repository of twentieth century American music. I mean he's no, yes, no, no,
I mean he's way more into like Delta blues, also
Calypso music, and like because the.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Song was written by like a Monserrat Soca artist.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Right, Yeah, he's that's so, That's that's what I'm saying.
He he like New York Dolls, was like a total
laugh when you consider his wider interests. I mean, he's
sung with a lot of famous blues groups. He knows
all kinds of obscure pre war stuff, and Buster Poinsacer
was like an outlet for this. And I saw him

(24:43):
at the Cafe Carlisle, and I had been pitched an
interview with him, so I did get to interview him.
Now my turn to name drop. But I saw him
and he was just he First of all, his band
was amazing, like all jazz players, and so he did
all these lipso songs, he did a bunch of early
like R and B jump music, and he was just

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he's he's a character, like he's truly not David Johansson
when he's Buster Poindexter. And he was doing all of
these like hilarious ad libs and long introduction.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Into between songs.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
The one that stuck with me was my doctor told
me to keep it to one drink a day. So
this one's from April fourteenth, twenty six forty. Yeah. And
when I he, I mean I was kind of green
when I interviewed him, and he got me. I asked
him what I thought was a quite reasonable question, which

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is like, you're one of the you know, more famous
New York celebrities who's elected to stay in Staten Island,
and like live in Staten Island. Staten Island's your home base,
and I wonder if you could, you know, tell me
why that is what you love about it. And he
just there's a brief pause and he just goes, well,
I hear the Fairyes, nice, like a really reasonable question.

(25:59):
I was, yeah, I don't think this is anything else.
From that interview, he was cool man, He was pretty generous.
He said at one point he was like, well, I
don't know that you. I don't know if you know this,
but Staten Island's actually home to many of the great
think tanks in American politics. And I was like really
and he was like no, but yeah, I mean he's

(26:22):
in Scrooge. He's the cab driver in Scrooge. We mentioned
he has a cameo and Adventures of Pete and Pete.
He has a great solo record that he performs songs
off of. I think the one song on there is
called Heart of Gold, just a great song. Yeah. So
he does Harry belly Fonty songs, He does country He
also does English music Hall.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
He did Lydia the Tattooed Lady.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
He does Rocket eighty eight, which was many people think
is the first rock and roll song. And when I
asked him about this breadth of material, he says, I
dig stuff. I defined myself. I just found this interview.
I defined myself largely through what I dig, and I
don't pay much attention to anything that doesn't turn me on.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well you know what he doesn't dig these days, Hot
Hot Hot, which he's asking an interview with MPR as
quote the bane of my existence.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, yeah, he said. Sometimes you get saddled. He told me,
sometimes you get saddled with a hit. You go through phases.
But one time I went to my nephew's wedding and
the band played it and they made me get up
and sing it, and I thought, oh God, this thing
is an albatross around my neck. And if you ever
want to know what you know, Buster Porndexter ak David

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Johansson's most romantic song because I interviewed him around Valentine's
Day and he says, Billy Ward in the Dominoes do
something for me, And he had that right at the
top of his tongue, tip of his tongue sore.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
And baby, can't you see you?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
What something for me? Here's my David Johanson's story. Love him,
great guy, obviously New York Dolls whip. But he's so interesting.
It's like if Joey Ramone was like fixated on I
don't know light opera, which.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
He may well have been. Well, here's one I know
you have the answer to. But it's an interesting story
and I want to hear you kill it, so I
will take the ill. What's unique about the vocal track
on Bad Brains Sacred Love?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh, it's one of the classic done through phone line songs.
It was done while HR was in jail. That's correct. Yeah,
HR is a tempestuous man. I mean he there's lots
of Bad Brains are pretty contentious. Themsells actually, I mean
they like are a foundational hardcore band.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
You know, they.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Inspired the Beastie Boys name and performances, like Yeah, Beastie
Boys named themselves BEB because they wanted a BB name
because of Bad Brands and Bad Brains are incredible. I
mean Daryl Jennifer, Earl Hudson and Doctor No bassist, guitarist, bassist,
drummer and guitarist, respectively.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
They were jazz freaks.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Like serious fusion hits, doing like Weather Report and all
this stuff. And then they heard Ramones and punk rock
and we're like, oh, we should do this now. And
Hr was kind of the live wire. His voice is
obviously insane, and he would do like backflips on stage
like it really just a one of those front men
that's just like touched by lightning.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
And that's a reference to their one album cover.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
But if you read American hardcore, which is think Stephen
Blush is an oral history because they were Rastafarian, they
were deeply homophobic, and they we're coming through Texas and
they stayed at the home of a Texas, very important
Texas queer punk band named Big Boys, and they asked

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them to score weed and then they did the classic
you know, we'll leave the money on the desk and
had left it like left an envelope and peeled out
of town with the weed. And they opened the envelope
and there was a note that said fire burn all
blood clot f slur, thanks for the weed, like later

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or something. Blood clot is a this is another digression,
but do what blood clot is I do it a lot,
and like in like any Jamaican music. Really it's a
homophobic slur that is derived from blood cloth, which was
like pre sanitary napkins, and so they started calling each
other that as a denigrative thing because it was, you know,

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connected with women.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
So yeah, after that incident, in.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Particular, because hardcore was such a closely knit network, really
linked by phone and like tape trading, like literal letter writing.
E Maikai would just talk about it just like write
letters and trade tapes with people. Same with thrash metal,
people were like yo, bad brains are like deeply homophobic
and dickheads. So they really did not achieve anything that

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they're not like, they didn't get like a breakthrough. They
weren't pumped into like epitaph or any of these like
major like feeder bands. I mean they had some they
kept going, but I think it was kind of always
came down to hr and his sort of instability. And
it was reviewed a couple years ago that he was
suffering from some rare neurological condition that gave him like

(31:43):
intense cluster headaches and all this stuff, and I think
some of his behavior was sort of explained away by that.
But yeah, they're a really interesting case just and like
the music obviously rips. I mean, they are a superlative
band of musicians, great songs. Just you know that that
specific incident and those years of their lives, which I

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think Darryl Jennifer has like apologized for in interviews, like
he's been like, yeah, that was really of us, but
it really caused the community to close ranks around them.
And really because they were also obviously all black guys,
and which is like such a rarity in that era
of hardcore. It was like, so, yeah, anyway, sorry, as

(32:26):
you meditate on that, we'll be right back with more
too much information after these messages? Was that was that enough?
I just met back to me.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I think it's back to you. Yeah, okay, you have
a perfect score.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
By the way, well, I'm willing to take a half
point for the for the Steve Jones sex pistols. No no, no, no,
it's not.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Do you how should we should.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
We give you like an easier one?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
But no, no, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
No.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
One man missed the Titanic because his car broke down
en route to meet the ship at Cherbourg.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's not a question, what was his name?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I've actually never heard this.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't know this.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Oh, okay, his name on the passenger list, Frank Carlson
was the man's name. He was booked on the passenger list,
and we indeed that's his name. But he was one
of the ones who missed it by circumstance. And I
assume you have a list of others who were notable
others who were booked and missed.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
JP Morgan was very famous the the Yes, a famous
American finance here who owns the parent company that owns
the Titanic. If I phrase that right, International Mercantile or Marine.
I amm just a huge power player. Wasn't there a
story that Hershey or Hershey's wife, Milton Hershey's wife was

(34:02):
supposed to be on it or something.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I have a few here. What was Henry clay Frick,
who is an American steel magnate.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Who coined the praise friggin that's not true, George Vanderbilt.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Ah, they canceled on April ninth, and one of their
servants had already boarded. It went down with their luggage
and the ship. US Ambassador to France, Robert Bacon, had
reserved passage. Their departure was delayed by the tardy arrival
of the new ambassador who was taking over, and they missed.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Milton Hershey, Yeah, I'm on. In the Hershey Archives, one
of the most intriguing moments of Milton Hershey's life was
his narrow escape from the sinking of the Armis Titanic.
Milton Hershey had originally booked a passage on the o
fated liner, but a last minute change in plans saved
us life. In our collection the Hershey Community Archives, as
a canceled check for three hundred dollars written to the
White Star Line the Titanic's line on December eighteenth, nineteen eleven,

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ten percent deposit to reserve a room which went for
three grand. Three grand in nineteen twelve is an absurd
amount of money. That's like fifty sixty grand today. Mister
Hershey and his wife had spent a significant amount of
time in Europe. Much of that time has spent seeking
relief from Kitty's health problems. We stemmed from a chronic illness.
The illness was never fully diagnosed, but it appears to

(35:27):
have been progressive and neurological in nature. Hershey's been wintering
in France. Nice France. But in early nineteen twelve, Milton
Hershey determined he needed to return to his business in
the town of Hershey, Pennsylvania, earlier than his booking on
the Titanic would accommodate, so he changed his reservation.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Okay, all right, let's see if this is too niche
can you name the Belfast or Belfast shipyard or the
number at which the Titanic was designed and constructed.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
It was the Harlan and Wolf Shipyard. The number I
think you're referring to is the ship's number that was
given to the hull that was being built, because the
ship's names can change, but the whole number is consistent,
and that was four to oh one.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And double double whammy. I'm fine with the wording you
two live mass for that, I need the two.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
And there's this whole conspiracy theory, and it's a dumb
conspiracy theory that the Titanic was switched with her sister
ship who had been damaged in a collusion at sea
and some I don't even want to get into it
because it's not that interesting, but basically an insurance fraud
scheme that they were going to try to sink the
damaged Titanic sister ship by pretending I google the.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Titanic switch theory.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
It's not that interesting. But anyway, when divers went down
to the Titanic, they could see the ship's propeller which
is still attached to the ship's stern and you can
actually see etched in the propeller four to oh one,
which proves that it was still the Titanic, not the
Titanic sister ship.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yes, that was all very correct. Can you for bonus points?

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I need bonus points?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Named the marine architect who work with chief designer Thomas Andrews.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oh man, you're gonna say his name and I'll remember.
I can't remember off hand.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I'll give you a hand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
His initials are A C. Alexander Carlyle bam.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, bonus. Where's my hang on?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I got it?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I don't have any real interesting stories about Alexander Carlyle,
but Thomas Andrews is famous to most people who are
you know, are in any way interested in the Titanic
because he's played by Victor Garber in the Titanic movie
and he's.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Character actor Victor Garber.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yes, he's the guy who in the ship's going down.
He gives Rose his life belt and says, I wish
I could have built Chabetta ship Rose, and he's last seen.
According to Titanic lore, he spent the ship's last moments
just kind of wandering around in shaw and he was
last seen in the Titanic smoking room, just standing by
the fireplace. In reality, he worked very hard to try

(38:11):
to save people. He was seen running around throwing deck
chairs and basically anything that floated overboard so that people
could have kind of make shift rafts and stuff. And
he made no attempt to get into a lifeboat himself
or save himself. So no, he's somebody who. And he
was very well liked by the crew too. He was
always he was famous for making just little nods to

(38:33):
their comfort, like installing extra water bubblers.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
That's my new England coming through water bubblers, water.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Fountains for the ship's firemen and crew down in the
in the boiler rooms and stuff. And yeah, he was
a very well liked man. Oh yeah, no, I'm sad.
Oh no, give me a question about like the potato
peeling room or something. On the Titanic, there was a
room dedicated to peeling potatoes.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Why did you need a whole? I guess there were
a lot of potatoes. Yeah, you know. Uh name the
youngest surviving passenger of the Titanic. She's got a weird
twentieth century American name, Melvie and a Dean bam one
more live moss for Georgie.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
And she was the last surviving Titanic survivor. She died
in I think two thousand and nine. I think she
was like something like nine months old when the ship sank,
so she would have been what ninety nine weeks old?

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Nine weeks old? Oh man, Okay, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Although there are stories and I don't remember their names,
but there are people whose mothers were pregnant with them
aboard the Titanic who were then saved, or at least
they claim, I mean, I guess it's verifiable. So there
are I don't know, if I can't imagine there are
any fetuses. No, they would be one hundred and twelve,
So no, there are probably no people who were alive

(39:56):
as fetuses unborn fetuses on the type Tic.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
At this point, she was a cartographer working for the
British government during World War Two.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Cool, yeah, give me one more.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Okay, name the US based firm who is claiming ownership
of the Titanic, RMS Titanic Incorporated.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yes, which bex Is just announced. AA.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's kind of a gimme. But I know that you
knew that because you loved ship sunk in ship lore. Yeah,
I mean there's not a lot of lore.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I think it was just like a consortium got together
and once it was discovered and named itself fat Well.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Admiralty law claims that sunken vessels in international waters are
you know, not able to be claimed.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
That's interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah. White Star Lane had obviously evaporated by the time
the ship was discovered in nineteen eighty five. There was
literally no paper trail left, but no insurance company. Liverpool
and London, who paid out on some of the passenger policies,
actually took RMS Titanic Ink to court settled. Nothing beats

(41:16):
an insurance company.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I think that the biggest insurance claim that was taken
out for an item lost on Titanic was for a painting.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
It was one of those terms of like a fat
kid and a dog.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
It was a painting by Mary Joseph Blondell called La
circusan Albaan. I don't know what that means, but it's
it's a picture of a woman in a some kind
of outdoor shower, and it is the most valuable item
lost aside from you know, human life. The insurance claims

(41:50):
for one hundred thousand dollars, which is about three million
dollars today, okay, which is very crazy. So it's the
most highly valued item lost. And in terms of just
a recovery, artifact recovery, and it's getting back to the
Titanic incorporated stuff. They are not allowed to through some
kind of law. I don't really know specifically what it is.

(42:12):
They're not allowed to recover items from inside the wreck itself,
presumably because it's it's some way that it's classified either
as an historic place or as a grave site, or
some combination of the two. So they're only able to
recover items that are from the debris field because the
ship broke in two and it sank and it just
spilled out all the stuff. The technical term in a

(42:35):
you know, I think it's a called I want to
say it's like a mile So it's just like a
mile space just strewn with you know, a boiler with
a china teacup on top, and a piece of you know,
a staircase, and then a suitcase, and then I mean
a piece right I do I own a piece of
deck wid from the Titanic.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Guess all right? All right, so that's I got five
out of six, got a good bonus. We have come
and thank you.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
It was very generous if you. We have now arrived
at a round that I like to call what's in
a name? Now, most of these are probably pretty easy,
but at least but we'll start. We'll start soft, which
punk rock band named themselves after a term from Aldus
Huxley's book Brave New World.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh, I mean the thing that's coming to me immediately is.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
The doors. Obviously that's doors of perception. But I'll give
you the broadest hint imaginable that probably barely registers as
a hint. Aldus Huxley famously died November twenty second, nineteen
sixty three. His death was out shone by the death

(43:49):
of JFK. I believe his last words were written down.
He asked his wife or caregiver to shoot him up
with some heroic dose of LSD to send them out,
which which I appreciate. Somebody who also died on this
very day, whose death was also over shown by the
death of JFK was C. S. Lewis, whose books The Lion,

(44:12):
the Witch and the Wardrobe and the Chronicles of Narnia
were known as religious allegories.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, oh yeah, religion is allegories. I actually had a
book of letters between who was C. S. Lewis and
I'm trying to help you teenage Jesus in the Jerks
Lyddy Lunches first band. Bad religion, bad religion. Okay, okay,
did not know that? Do I get minus points? This
isn't like Jeopardy, right, you don't take no, no, no,

(44:41):
all right.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
This one's a little easy one because I a little
easier because I think I've heard you speak of this.
The scott punk band was named after a nuclear bomb test.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Oh Operation IVY. Yes, yeah, my boys, oh Man. Operation IVY,
famously the band that would spawn Rancid. Basist Matt Freeman,
who was easily the best punk rock bassist of all
time and frontman Tim Armstrong, who was then going by
the nom du punk Lint, formed Operation IVY with Jesse

(45:15):
Matthews and forget the drum Dave Mellow is the drummer.
I think they taught him to play drums in like
a week for that band. Yeah, And so they were Berkeley,
they big Gilman kids. And then the band basically broke
up after their first and only tour just because they

(45:36):
were I mean, first of all, they were literal children.
And then Tim Armstrong spent like a couple of years
in the gutter. Literally, it's probably why he talks all weird,
and it's definitely where he gets most of the material
from this music from. And then Matt Freeman, who just
seems like the sweetest guy. I follow him in on Instagram.

(45:57):
He just posts about his dogs and taking motorcycle rides
through like the Bay Area mountains. He said that he
would form a band, a new band with Tim if
Tim got sober. Oh yeah, and that band became Rancid
or a different band that then became Ransom anyway, man, Yeah,
operation I was great. That's probably as far as I

(46:18):
get into skat actually, other than like the Specials and
maybe the Toasters, and I like like one or two
real big Fish song and maybe a mighty mighty Boston
song and the Scottilits and the Slackers can you.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Give us a pick it up?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Pick it up?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Pick it up?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Kle Danny Elfman. That's what's funny about skat, is that
like because there's that same emphasis on the upbeat if
you're white, which shocker. So many SKA bands were Uh
it sounds like PoCA because you're super square and you
can't play it right. Scott of Lights are Jamaican or

(47:00):
I think they were Jamaican studio musicians. Yeah, they were
legitimately a just sixties Jamaican band, and so obviously, like
you know, they have a different rhythmic feel that doesn't
make it sound so cloyingly relentless.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
All right, this one, this one's.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
An easy one.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Before they were renamed in nineteen eighty nine, what were
Green Day originally called?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
What was Primordial green Day called?

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I know all of their stupid original like EP names
like ten thousand smoothed out slappy hours? Is it like.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
You know it?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Because I sort of dimly knew it.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
It's something children right, No, but it sounds very childlike.
I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Then the Nimrods, Oh, that is interesting. Let me do
a quick let me do a quick.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Google circum check check me.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Oh, yeah, yeah, you're like, uh, Green Day original band
name blood Rage and then Sweet Children.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Is there Nonmrods.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I'm not seeing that. Uh uh it might be one
of their weird side project things. All right, we can
toss that question out. Okay, okay, there is on discogs
there's something called the Nimrods, but I do not, for
the life of me, understand what this actually is.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Sorry, I'm I'm challenging it. All right, Okay, that's okay, Okay,
we'll take it over to the UK. Which punk band
named their debut album, City Baby Attacked by.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Rats g GBH, charge or charge GBH. They're one of
those bands. They're they're that is correct, they were famous
for They're one of their guys calling I think either
invented or was like super famous for the liberty spikes hairstyle, Yes,
that was it, or adopted by one of the sexual
predators in the casualties or hey, uh what else do

(49:06):
I know about GBA? Oh?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Man, I just know that song.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
City Baby, City Baby, City Baby tak by.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Rats, so good for bonus points. What does GBH stand for?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
It's it like a hair treatment or something. It's some
kind of.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
No, not what I have on the card.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Okay, what do you have in the card?

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Grievous bodily harm?

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Oh yeah, I should have known that, because it's like
it's like.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
A it's like a police code or something.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, it like it's a nine nine nine code or something. Yeah.
There's also a punk band called nine nine nine of course,
just the English nine month long correct. Oh good stuff,
good stuff? All right? Baby about rats here? You're like,
we just drive around in my saturn blasting that song.
You'll enjoy this one.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
This New York City band's name was taken from a
hypnotic sedative also known as ap stumped me.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
They may be obscure. I genuinely don't know gorilla biscuits.
Oh yeah, gorilla biscuits. They're not that obscure. They're they're
you know, in New York hardcore, once it kind of
got out of the seventy seven punk influence, you started
to get all these like preppy kind of guys, like preppy,
posy guys like Youth of Today, Youth and gorilla biscuits.

(50:24):
I might be showing my ass a little bit here.
I never really liked this offset of hardcore. I was
more into chromags. But uh, they were like all about
like positivity and like staying clean from drugs and like
loving your bros. And they would dress in like they
literally dressed in like letterman jackets, like they were just
so they were so wholesome. Gorilla biscuits. That's so funny.

(50:46):
I remember, I'm just going on tangents now, but disco
biscuits is British slang right for something. I think it's
in snatch.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
No, disco biscuits was just another word for a kuailude
from our Studio fifty four episode. I think unless there's
a different meeting over there, then I'm.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Gonna take umbrage with guy Ritchie because I can I
can hear Jason Statham saying this about the Russian guy
took too many disco Russian disco biscuits to the head
and eat Russian disputations. Is that some kind of Cockney
slang thing, That's what I thought, Jason Statham. I don't know,
maybe they had a different kind of biscuit over in Britain,

(51:25):
or maybe it's just anything sounds good coming out of
Jason Stath and is really.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
The more whole of that story?

Speaker 2 (51:31):
All right, Great gorilla biscuits that's funny. But their logo
is amazing. I forgot about the other crucial aspect of
their iconography, which is champion. They were like so defined
by like champion hoodies, like on this cover, on this
cover of this one release, the Gorilla, he's got a
very prominent champion logo on his on his hoodie. Yeah,

(51:55):
that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
All right, all right, last question for the What's in
a Name?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Round?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
So, just because I find this humorous, I want to
hear you say it was.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Henry Rowlands real name Henry Garfield.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
I love.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, Rollins is so interesting. Uh, you know he had
he was like a military kid. He got sent to
some kind of uh I mean he looks like G
I R.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Joe.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Well, yeah, Henry Lawrence Garfield born in d c.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, he went to the Bullets School, which is an
all male prep school in Potomac, Maryland. Yeah, he got
really into weightlifting there and and he said that's what
that's what credit setted him on that track and credited
him with learning discipline. John Phillips of The Mama's and
the Papas is an alum of the Bullets School. Possible

(52:44):
c I A plant. John Phillips possible. Uh, never mind, Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
My favorite fact about Henry Rollins was that he worked
at a Hagen Das.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yes with with Ian Mackay.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
That is right, That is right.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Other famous indie punk figure who was known for his
ice cream capabilities Thurst and More was an ice cream
man specializing in chip witches in the Lower East Side
or before. I bet I don't know. That's funny.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Okay, all right, back to the Titanic. Who headed the
US inquiry into the Titanic's disaster. He was a senator,
got his correct three part name, very white. Well, he's a.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Senator in nineteen twelve. I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
William Alden Smith. Yes, yes, The inquiry into the Titanic
led to a led to major reforms in maritime.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Safety, including the ice patrols. Where the ice patrol come from?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
And he was also a big railroad safety guy. He
was a leading advocate for universal safety standards on railroads,
which made him an enemy of actually the Vanderbilts. Yeah,
this is this is great. Here's a wonderful thing from
his Wikipedia. Smith was laughed at in the British press
because uh he was He was nicknamed watertight Smith in

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the British Press because he asked whether the water tight
compartments which were made to keep the ship afloat, were
meant to shelter passengers. And then he asked the ship's
fifth officer, Harold Low, what an iceberg was made of,
and Low responded, ice I suppose.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Sir, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
All right, keeping in. I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with
the politics theme for at least one more. Which US
president had a close friend, Major Archie Butt, a passenger
on the Titanic who died.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Taft it was easy, he was the president at the time.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
But yeah, Taft was wept openly at butts memorial service.
He called him his younger brother, and he had to
be led from the podium.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
You don't think he even smiled a little bit when
he said the name Archie Butt.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
His body was never found, bomber. The only two federal officers, well,
the only two, get it.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, that's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
The only two US officers lost on the Titanic were
this gentleman, Major Archie Butt and Frank Millet. And Taft
has ordered the construction or supported the construction of Memorial
Fountain to two of them in President's Park.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I visited the grave at Woodlawn Cemetery of Colonel Archibald Gracie,
who is a Titanic survivor. But he was in the
water for a really long time and suffered. I forget
how he was saved. I think he I believe he
was one of the men who just climbed the board
and overturned lifeboat and just was like on the backside
of it as it as there's an air bubble keeping

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it afloat, and the air just seeped.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Out throughout the night. See these guys like.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Surfing on this overturned lifeboat as it sunk lower and
lower lower into the freezing water all night. Horrifying. He
suffered health effects from that for the rest of his
very short life. I think he died and I want
to say October November nineteen twelve, just a few months
after the Titanic sank.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Wonderful, and he's buried in Woodlawn. Yeah, let's see what
we have for more questions regarding the Titanic. This is
an easy one. What was the name of the ship
that responded to the Titanic's distress call.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
The Carpathia, which steamed through an ice field at night
at basically top speed. Act's not basically at top speed,
putting herself in her passengers at risk to try to
make it in time. But by the time they got
to meet the lifeboats, they learned that there was nothing left.

(56:54):
Carpathia would later be sunk, I believe by a German
U boat in World War One in nineteen eighteen.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
What was the name of the only black man on
the Titanic.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
He had his wife with him too, right, because his family, Yeah,
this whole family.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I don't know his name.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I know there was either a documentary or some kind
of a long profile on him. There was something came
out about him recently, but I don't know his name.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
No, his name is Joseph Laroche. He was a Haitian man.
He was born into some degree of privilege in Haiti,
so he was multi lingual. He was sent to study
in France. He spoke English, French and Creole. But in France,
where their racist is hell, he wasn't really given many

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opportunities there, and so he was going to return to
Haiti via the Titanic, and apparently the White Star was
White Star line was moved to issue a public apology
about the racism that some of these people faced on
the Titanic with darker skin. He was the only person

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who spoke English in his family, so he had to
he had to relate what was happening to his.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Entire family and did he survive?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
No, so he couldn't follow his family, his wife and
daughters into the life boat. And then that family subsequently
returned to France just in time for World War One,
and his story was largely overlooked until nineteen ninety five
when a researcher named Olivier Mendez interviewed his daughter for

(58:33):
the Titanic Historical Society, and then June of two thousand,
Ebony ran a profile on him, which was probably the
first time any publication naturally had paid any attention to him.
So that is the story of the lone black man
on the Titanic. Wow, what else we got?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Um?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
You did a great job of picking questions that yielded
like cool stories. Well, I was really just cheating for horror.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
This is an interesting one which Officer told White Star
President Bruce ismay Off when he kept getting in charge
of launching Lightboat number five.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Sounds like Officer light taller fifth.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Officer, Harold Harold Low.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
That was my second choice. Harold Low was kind of
a spitfire. I believe he to keep people from swamping
the boat. He fired his service revolver into the air,
I believe. But well, as far as we know, to
try to, you know, keep people at bay. And I

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think he swore at somebody. He swore at some there's
some issue with him swearing that raised eyebrows. Or so
get back or I'll shoot you all like dogs?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Nice? Is that in the movie? Did that make it
into the movie? Yeah? Did?

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Hell?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah? In twenty thirteen, a violin belonging to the Titan
band leader sold.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
I will accept the price or the name of the
band leader, what about both? Great Wallace Hartley was the
band leader and there was an engraved plaque on it.
It was a gift from his future wife. I think
it was his fiance at the time. I want to say.
Her name was Maria and was very sweet. And it

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was found on his body. I believe his body was
recovered and it was like a small case that was
still strapped to him, and so it was floating in
the water. So it was it was damaged by the water.
And I don't know specifics, but because it was damaged
in such a way, it could never be played again,
so the song can submergent. Well no, I mean, okay,

(01:00:50):
So the last song that was played on it was
the last song that was played on the Titanic as
it went down. The name of that song has been
hotly debated for over one hundred since it happened. Basically,
some people believe we got into this in the our
Titanic episode. Some people believe it was near My God
to the that's kind of the more famous version. And

(01:01:13):
it's also I think he was asked by a friend
what he would do if he was stuck on a
ship that was sinking, and he told his friend he
would play that song as the last song, so that
that unlike the Titanic, that holds some water. But there
are other people who believe they heard a hymn called
song de Tom, which I believe I think translates to
song of Autumn. My eight years of friends are failing

(01:01:35):
me right now. So yeah, and I believe it sold
for I want to say, two point three million. It
was so absurd amount of money, it was like, really
one point seven Oh, well, that's a bargain.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I've bargain at any price.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right
back with more too much information in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
How many more? One more?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Okay, you're destroying me, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Finally, here's a question that's it might be too hard
for you. How many bathtubs were available for third class?

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
There is a lot of talk about schools have thought
about it. No, I mean there's a whole the short answers.
I want to say two. I think it was two.
That is correct. Yes, okay, you should really be giving
me like two points for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
That, one for men and one for women.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yes, but I might be having this wrong. I think
there were showers or the equivalent of showers on board,
and there were, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Mean, it was just different back then.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
You kind of you had like places to sort of
wash up, and that was kind of that past. They
also weren't that many toilets either, because this was in
the age when cabins aboard ships didn't have bathrooms in them,
and that you had shared bathrooms in the hallway. And
that was actually one of the things that doomed the

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Titanic Sister ship that survived into the thirties, was that
she was kind of seen as really outdated because she
didn't have these bathrooms and you know what they called
en suite bathrooms. If she'd have built maybe like even
a couple of years later, two or three years later,
she probably would have There's a video by I consider
them kids, at least in the realm of Titanic researchers,

(01:03:39):
where you usually have people that are in their sixties, seventies, eighties,
they're maybe, you know, in their twenties, early thirties that
have spent the last twelve, thirteen, fourteen years trying to
make a digitally perfect rendering of the Titanic for VR.
You could basically travel through it. It's fully interactive. You
can open every drawer, every door, or anything you want.

(01:04:01):
You can change the time of day so that the
sky looks different on the outside and the lights are
on to the inside. They are truly crazy in a
way that I can't even fathom, but they are amazing.
They're called Honor and Glory is the name of the program,
and they have a YouTube account and they have all
these really crazy videos, and one of them is answering
the question of how many toilets are on the Titanic,

(01:04:24):
and the answer is not many. I want to say
it's something like thirty something. I don't have that figure
directly my tips. Oh sorry, I was wrong. There are
two hundred and eighty five toilets and some with automatic
flushing in third class cabins because a lot of people
traveling in third class didn't know what a toilet was,

(01:04:46):
and there were a lot of horror stories from third
class stewards of just finding what all politely described as
piles in the darkened corners of certain hallways because that
was gross. Yes, okay, it's just gross. Let's just say
it's gross. What you know, what you've I wish you

(01:05:08):
could actually see this right now. My next category is
called that's gross. And there's only six of these questions
because they just got two gross. The first one, although
this wasn't isn't strictly speaking, all that gross, But the
guy who it's about assuredly is. And we'll talk more
about that after you answer the question. What was buried

(01:05:30):
with punk outlaw gg Allen, as requested in his country
song When I Die?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Uh yeah, I think wasn't his grave like desecrated? Constantly
constant yes, with fecal matter. Yeah, I can give you
a multiple choice if you want. Yeah, okay, was he
buried with all his money? His boy scout uniform, a photo.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Of Hank Williams or a bottle of Jim Beam And
again this is as requested in his country song when I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I mean, if that's if it's in song, I'm assuming
it's whiskier the Hank Williams picture.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Jim Beam.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
That is correct. Ah. I was really hoping it was
gonna be the Hank Williams thing. To get that one wrong. Yeah.
G g Allen Man, what a just a hilarious provocateur.
There's a famous picture of him handing one of his
records to Johnny Cash, whoa who looks like bewildered. Oh
his shirt T shirt? Oh, the band was called The

(01:06:35):
band was called gg Allen and the Murder Junkies. Yeah.
I mean he was initially like just this insane provocateur,
songs like bite It, you scum, and famous for like
rolling in blood and encouraging people to piss on him
and all this just awful scatological stuff. But then he
actually has a rather delightful pivot to country music. There

(01:06:56):
are many people myself included who prefer his country his
country music. I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
For years he used to threaten to commit suicide on
stage on Halloween, but he was always in jail on Halloween,
so he was never able to so he was never
able to really make good on that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
On the last night of his life, he was playing
a show at a New York club called the Gas Station.
It's film, this is on video. He did a few
songs before the power went out, and then he trapped
the venue, fled the police, and walked the city streets
covered in fecal matter and blood, surrounded by adoring girls

(01:07:37):
whom he embraced. He then went to a friend's apartment,
snorted reportedly three bags of heroin, and discussed plans for
an upcoming recording before nodding out. Several party guests posed
for photos with the singer, who they believed to just
be unconscious, unaware that he was already dead. His girlfriend
at the time, who had actually written to him as

(01:07:58):
a thirteen year old when he was in prison, she
was on the roof chatting with a friend about her
plans to marry Gig at the moment that he was
down below dead. It was not until morning that friends
realized that he was in fact dead. Par Gg's instructions,
his brother put on his band's album Suicide Tapes while

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he lay in his coffin.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Did you know that I didn't? I mean with a
suicide on stage?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Thing is?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
I immediately thought of Darby Crash from The Germs, and Germs
are lauded as an la hardcore band. I never found
very much musically to like about them, but they're famous
for performance. In his Decline of Western Civilization the Penoblic
Spears film, Darby Crash was intentionally going to commit suicide

(01:08:44):
via a heroin overdose, and he chose the day John
Lenning got shot to do so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
He chose poorly. Speaking of music that punk guys listened
to as they were dead or dying, Joey Ramone as
he was dying in the hospital but on the U
two song in a little while, and Kurt Cobain apparently
listened to Automatic for the People by Rim before he
shot himself. Okay, next question. In the That's Gross Round

(01:09:14):
on tour in nineteen seventy seven, Joe Strummer of The
Clash caught hepatitis.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
How did this occur?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Was it a sleeping in a garbage bin, b someone
spatted him and he accidentally swallowed it, c eating a
bad curry, or d using a bathtub previously used by
one of his rodies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I don't think you can get hepatitis through I mean,
now I'm just showing my ass about hepatitis, but I
don't think you can get hepatitis from food or bathtubs, right,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
The thing about this time was that the spitting thing
was insanely pot like that was just like a rite
of passage for British punk bands, and it was disgusting.
And the American bands that came over, like the Ramones,
were just like mind boggled to the point of like
physical altercation. I'm gonna say it's this bit one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
That is correct. Wasn't Johnny Ramone like in Tears when
he was like, why are they spitting us?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I don't know's there's a lot of weird there's a
lot of funny stories about that. Yeah, he's quoted as
saying they got it on my guitar.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
He said. This is a quote from Flaming Groovies Chris Wilson.
When they came off the stage, Johnny Ramone was in
floods of tears because the punks had been spinning on
the band. That was purely a London thing. Nobody did
that in New York. I remember him saying, they got
it on my.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Guitar, they got it on my pick.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Oh poor and Joey still didn't know if they had
gone down well or not. Did they like us, did
they hate us? He couldn't tell because the whole spitting
thing really threw him. I read that the spinning thing
started apparently because Johnny Rodden had like a sinus problem
that led him to like spit a lot, because he

(01:10:57):
was always really congested in the nose and throat, so he.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Did have often sinus infections. Yes, the uh, I'm just
reading now that Spin magazine. Actually, in May of two thousand,
Douglas Woke wrote a Brief History of Gobbing. Adam Ant
reportedly wore an eyepatch than to cover up conjuncti vitis
he got. Susie Sue got both. Steve Jones rat scabies

(01:11:23):
of the Damned blamed Steve Jones of the sex pistols
polystyrene of x ray specs, one of the early trailblazing
female fronted punk bands blamed sid Vicious.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Do you know how rat scabies go?

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
His name.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Showed up to an audition for the damned, scratching at
his skin condition and the rat. So that was the scabies,
and the rat came when he wore presume I read
it was a dead rat as an earring Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Yeah, well that's enough about that's really gross or I'm
sorry gobbing. I have a grocer story, oh wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
In Johnny Rotten's autobiography, he writes, it was laughable when
Glenn Mattlock was in the band. When Steve Jones would masturbate.
He'd pour hot water down a hollowed French loaf, chuck
some raw liver in it, and then it the hot water.
The hot water would cook the liver, and I suppose

(01:12:28):
he's cooked it too, and then he then set it aside.
I would turn up and Steve would say, I'm sorry,
I've done it again. Should we make Glenn Mattlock a sandwich?
I particularly remember how he used to love how soft
the bread was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
All Right, that's it. That's the line. I will not
go further than.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Okay, next question, speaking of bodily fluids, which punk rocker
played so ferociously that blood and sweat would leak into
his guitar, causing it to short circuit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
A problem.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
A problem is a problem he resolved by turning the
volume knob up to ten and soldering it in place
and installing a waterproof switch.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, that's correct, that's Greg Ginn. He was playing an
old Dan Armstrong. I think the plex one of the
plexiglass guitars was also played by Keith Richards. And that's
why so many Black Flag recordings just start with a
squall of hainous feedback because there was no longer any
it was on or off, and he played so loud
that he would just flip it on, would just go

(01:13:37):
immediately over. Fine. Yeah, Greg Ginn is such an interesting figure.
He found it, s ST. Yeah, he was a real
he He was a real tinkerer and also a huge
grateful dead fan. Hilariously, But and SST, you know, their
importance cannot be overstated. Uh, not just Black Flag, but

(01:13:59):
Sonny Youth, I think Minute Men, Dinosaur Junior. And but
the problem is is that gin has famously become like insane,
the paranoid and controlling of all those master recordings and
they all sound like dog because you know, the engineer
they had spot was not super familiar. He did a

(01:14:23):
perfectly serviceable job. But like they should all be remastered
and remixed from the master tapes because they sound horrible
and oh Hohoskar Do in particular, God, those Whoskar Do
records sound like a hive of bees, which is so
annoying because the songs are amazing. But yeah, Gin has

(01:14:45):
famously reformed Black Flag with like a drum machine and
whoever vocalist is ego deadened enough to take the job,
and I believe it is also like a straight up abuser,
a child abuser. So yeah, he sucks. But you know,
the architect of one of the most foundational bands in

(01:15:05):
punk history. So what are you going to do?

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Well, we're on the topic of blood. Just sort of
a blood side bar as a story told from legendary
rock photographer Bob Grewin. He's most famous to me as
the guy who took all those pictures of John Lennon
to New York City, you know, with the New York
City T shirt and I think over by the Statue
of Liberty and all those really iconic mid seventies John Lennon,

(01:15:30):
New York shots. He was traveling with the Sex Pistols
and one night the tour stopped on our roadside truck
stop and sit had ordered steak and eggs and he
was starting to eat right when a local show we say,
came by his table and said, you're vicious. Huh, yeah,
you're so tough. Let me do this. And the guy

(01:15:50):
burned his own hands with a cigarette and Sid replied,
can I hurt myself?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah? He took a steak knife, made a deep cut
into his hand, blood dripped into his eggs and steak,
which he kept on eating without missing a beat, and
the guy watched and grabbed his family and fled the restaurant. Yeah,
that's one of the stories recounted in Twelve Days on
the Road. He also, at one point, I think, carved

(01:16:18):
the words gimme a fix into his chest because he
was obviously fiending from heroin, and they would basically he
had a full time minder on that tour, and that
guy's job was to keep Sid from scoring, because as
literally as soon as the bus stopped, he would sprint
out and go to try and find heroin. And the

(01:16:39):
compromise that they accepted was he could drink as much
peppermin schnops as he wanted, but not heroin.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
His mother bought him the fatal fix of heroin. Isn't
that right? Because he was in jail at Riker's Island
for the murder of Nancy and he was released and
while he was in prison, he detoks and as soon
as he but he was in jail, I want to say,
for months and months and months. Yeah, I mean that's
the problem. He That's what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Tallerance went down.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Yeah, and his mother bought it for him, and I
believe even shot him up. I could be wrong. There's
a Final twenty four documentary Final twenty four about his
life that gets into the forensics of that, if you
care about such things. Okay, back to something a little,

(01:17:25):
a little more lighter. Vomit, who was inspired to form
his first band after seeing a Lex Interior of The
Cramps Vomit on stage.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Lux Interior, what I say, Lex? Oh yeah? Lux Interior
took his name from a car ad Oh well yeah.
Famously married to poison Ivy Rorshak, who they one of
the most enduring and cute as hell punk rock marriages.

(01:17:54):
They met at university of Akron and bonded over basically
just being records. They were both into like Hazel Atkins
and really weird obscure rockabilly, and they're credited with using
the term psychobilly, inventing the term psychobilly, which has become
its own demented subgenre of punk. And Yeah, Lux's trademark

(01:18:16):
move poison ivy is still alive. Lux's trademark move was
fitting the entire head of an s M fifty eight
into his mouth, so that may have backfired and caused
him to vomit, But I do not know the person
you're referring.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
To, a young m McKay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Really, that is so funny. I would not have I
would not have credited Ian with that. I guess that's
probably somewhere in either American hardcore or I want to say,
our band could be your life, but that escaped me.
I e. It is just generally considered such a like
upright example of like punk ethics and this that the

(01:18:53):
other through all of his work with Minor Threat and
Fugazi and the record label Discord, which is probably up
there with I mean, it is up there with SST
and Epitaph is like they're probably the Big three of
American punk record labels.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
That's gross. Wow, this was so gross, Thank you so much.
He also threw up at a music festival in Leeds,
England in September nineteen eighty one, and he would later
say that's when I knew I was a success. I
got paid fifteen grand to throw up. So let's move
off this now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
I love the Cramps. You would probably actually like the Crams.
I mean, I don't know how you feel about rockabilly,
but they're like, I know that song from Wednesday Poison five,
that's the Cramps.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Oh Google muck, Yeah that's a cover. But yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
They were obsessed with all this stuff, man, like really
deep crate diggers.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
And if you go into their home.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
There's like a documentary of on Poison Ivy that has
footage of the interior of her home, of their home,
and it looks like the museum just all this vintage
e femera from the music music industry, Coney Island, free
show stuff, California, like drag culture. Poison Ivy is I believe,
a three time champion of some racing competition.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
In this documentary, she.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Just like hold it pans over like a series of
trophies that she won for racing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I knew Miriam Lena a little bit. She was the
founding drummer of the Cramps. I believe because she went
on to run Norton Records, which is like a reissue
label that has a lot of like obscure fifties and sixties,
like proto grunge garage type stuff and a lot of
weird stuff I used to DJ out. And she later

(01:20:37):
wrote a book about the death and I believe murder
of Bobby Fuller, who sang I fought the law and
the law won. She wrote a book with Bobby's brother,
and that's a story that is fascinating me for years.
Bobby Fuller wound up dead and his mother locked inside
his mother's car, covered in gasoline and bruises, with a

(01:20:59):
broken finger, and cops refused.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
To investigate further. They said they marked it a suicide.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
And when his family was like, he didn't beat himself
up and cover himself with gasoline, somebody clearly did this
to him, they said, oh, you shouldn't ask any questions
about this or else you might get hurt. And that
was nineteen sixty six, so almost sixty years ago, and
his death is still marked a suicide and no one
knows what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Well, let me ask you one more that's not gross.
We need a palette cleanser off of that. This one's
more fun. Please name it's a two parter sort of
or a six parter depingdon on how you view it.
Please name three things that the ramones want to do
and three things that ramones don't want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Be your girlfriend, sniff some glue, be sedated, walk around
with you, go down to the basement. Hear it. I
don't want to hear it? Is that one. That's the
last one. I'm the third. Don't want to is the
one I'm blanking on. But I'm pretty sure I got
the rest of those, Oh grow up are you? Including

(01:22:07):
I don't want to grow up in there?

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
The ramones don't want to songs are I don't want
to be learned, I don't want to be tamed. I
don't want to die in the basement. I don't want
to get involved with you, and I don't want to
walk around with you. But the ramones do want to
be sedated, be well, be your boyfriend, want to live
and now I want to sniff some glue.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
So there's I don't want to grow up, which Tom
Waits covered, and then there's it's not be killed in
the basement, it's go down to the basement because we
talked about that's on the debut record, and that's like,
that's the one famous to me because it's about like
early slasher movies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
All right, all right, one more round the piece, even
though I'm not I have no chance of coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
As the Titanic saying, which wealthy passenger changed into formal
attire and is attributed with the quote we're dressed up
in our best and are prepared to go down like gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
But we would like a brandy at least that's what
James Cameron had him say. Benjamin Guggenheim, who is related
to the famous Guggenheim family.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Correct for bonus point, who is he traveling with on the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Show his They would refer to them at the time
as his valet, his man's servant.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
I no, not just the valet. Oh yeah, oh, I'm
not sure who you're referring to. A French singer Leontine
o'bert mistress. I didn't know that she is portrayed in
the film.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Oh yeah, that kind of she's got a big old hat,
big old hat.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
What was the final message sent from the Titanic's wireless room.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Oh, this is creepy, Okay, So it was two v's.
There's morse code v's. But the sound of that sounds
like Beethoven's fifth Dunt dun dun duh dun dundu du
It was the rhythm of dun dun dundun dot dot
dot dot dash uh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
And so, I mean, no one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Knows, but it's thought that that was some kind of
weird bit of Gallows humor because all the all the
wireless operators at this time that were like basically the
computer it nerds of the era, they all had their
own senses of humors. They would all refer to each
other when talking to each other over wireless as old

(01:24:34):
man like you know, as like as like a fake
upper crust, like like teasing one another. Yeah, and so
they all had like their own slang and lingo.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
And then they were nerds.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
I mean again, they were like the the equivalent of
like our current day like it people. And so there's
a thought that that was like a last little bit
of Gallows humor, which is weird because right before there
were two wireless operators, Jack Phillips who died and Harold
Bride who survived. Right before they fled the wireless room,
some guy came into the room and tried to steal

(01:25:07):
one of their life fests, and they had to beat
him up quite badly. So that whips.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Yeah, I actually I did. I'm taking your word for
that because I have here. The final message was CQD
Titanic calling, come at once, we have struck a burg.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
So the last thing that's kind of the first thing
they said, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Well take that trivia dot FYI. So yeah, I'm gonna
call that for you. Here's an obscure one. Provide me
with either the name or the writer's name of the
eighteen eighty nine novel with a number of eerie similarities
to the tragedy of the Titanic.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Yes, we talked about this on the Titanic movie episode
Morgan Robertson, MARYL. Robertson. It was called Futility the Wreck
of the titan Yeah, and it was written.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
You know, what did you say, eighteen ninety eighteen eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Yeah, okay, so more than twenty years before the Titanic sank.
The ship was called the titan It struck an iceberg
in the North Atlantic and went down by the head,
which the same way the Titanic sank, and it was
a great loss of life because it weren't enough lifeboats.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Both sailed in April. Both could carry three thousand people.
Titan was eight hundred feet long, the Titanic was eight
hundred and eighty two and a half feet long, and
both ships could reach speeds of twenty five knots.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
It's pretty weird.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
It is super weird.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
And then he was interviewed after the Titanic sank. You know,
everyone was just like, what are you psychic? What's going on?
He's like, no, I just really like boats. I just
and he said something to the effect of, I really
am interested in boats, and I just follow boating trends
and like, this is just that's what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I predicted this. Yeah, that's so creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
By just knowing a lot about boats, I guess he
just knew like all the stuff that could go wrong
and the way ships were being built, and yeah, this might.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Be another gimme. But what was the name of the
ship received The Titanic's distress call and elected not to help.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
It didn't receive, okay, the SS Californian, it didn't receive.
So this was in the era when wireless was not
seen as a safety feature on a boat. A wireless
was installed as basically a luxury item to allow people
to contact relatives on land, so it was not a
twenty four hour a day service. Ships only frequently only

(01:27:27):
had one wireless operator who would work office hours and
then go to sleep. So that's what happened on this ship.
In fact, this ship, the Californian, had tried to get
in touch with the Titanic shortly before it struck the iceberg,
and the Titanic's wireless operator literally said to him these
are exact words, shut up, shut up. I am busy

(01:27:49):
because the Titanic's wireless system had broken down the night before,
and they'd been up all night trying to fix it.
So there was a huge backlog of like, you know, hi,
we're having a wonderful time on the Titanic, notes from
rich passengers to just get out there. So he had
a run. He hadn't slept the night before because he
was fixing this wireless set, had a ton of work

(01:28:09):
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Do you know the name of the man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Groves?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
No, maybe on the Titanic, on the on the Californian,
it was Cyril Evans.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Cyril I did know that, actually, so yeah, he so
the Titanic told him shut up, I'm busy, so basically said, okay,
he turned off his wireless set and went to sleep.
It gets a little thorny when apparently the officers on
the Californian and the captain, Stanley Lord, saw rockets on
the horizon and rockets at sea means distress that Titanic

(01:28:42):
was shooting off basically distressed flares, and they reportedly did
see these rockets but elected to not pursue the matter further.
And I'm not totally sure off the top of my
head why that was. And it ruined this man's life,
the captain of the Californian, Stanley Lord. I think he
was fired and he was pilloried in the press. He

(01:29:05):
was kind of a broken man for the rest of
his life, which I don't necessarily yeah, I don't necessarily
think it was deserved. I don't know offhand too much
about In the press, it was seen as if he
just you know, left these people to die. I'm sure
there was some kind of reason because he was tired
and wanted to nap. I think they were ten miles away,

(01:29:27):
which wasn't that far, and the Carpathia was like fifty
miles away. Yeah, that's not a great look.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
No, okay, here's a weird This is only tangentially Titanic related,
so this might be a bit of a gotcha. But
this is according to a January twenty fifth, two thousand
and one article from United Press International Akaupi, which country
and their highly conservative religious sect of violent rulers were

(01:29:58):
jailing barbers for giving them the Leo haircut from the Titanic.
They movie, they have previously, they have previously outlawed the
Beatles cut.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Iran. I have no idea. Afghanistan in the Taliban.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Uhh, that's close. Yeah, oh Man jailed barbers.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
For eight hundred Alex damn.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Twenty eight barbers in Kabul were arrested for giving the
Leo cut. All right, here's here's a fun one. I'm
looking up conspiracy theories about it. Well, this is a
deeply bizarre one. The Titanic's hull was stamped with three
nine nine.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Oh four Oh, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
What phrase does that allegedly spell backwards? And how does
it tie into two contentious sects of Christianity.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Supposedly the reflection of it spelled no Pope, and it
supposedly cursed the ship, it angered the Catholics don't believe
in the pope. And the ship was built in Belfast, Ireland.
So you had it played on the whole the troubles. Yeah, yes, yes,

(01:31:16):
that's good. I did not expect to get lord good stuff.
Huh okay, yeah, one more on you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
I got one more in me. Let's see, this one
is absurdly hard.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
We'll do this one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
And since there's absolutely no way you will possibly get it,
I'll have a backup. What was the name of the
new bacteria found and identified in the ocean microbes that
were sampled from the Titanic's hall. It's named for the Titanic.
It's something like Titanica or something.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Found in twenty ten, scientists discovered a new bacteria found
in samples of these rusticles, dubbed Hollo Monus Titanic ha. Yeah, wow, damn,
what a good one to go out on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
That was That was good? That was good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
This round or final round is a themed round famous people,
so they all involve people who are are sort of
bigger than the punk meal u U. I should probably
phrase this question differently to fit the category better. But
how did Blink one eighty two get their name? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
It was just Blink and then they were sued by
I want to say, an Irish band and they added
one A two.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
What is the one eighty two though, is it? I mean,
that's what I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Is it I don't know, public indecency or public exposure
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
No, getting cold, getting cold? No, it's not a code.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
It is the number of f bombs that al Pacino
drops in scarface? Is that incredible? That makes me like
them more?

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Yeah? Yeah, that actually happened to Dinosaur Junior as well,
who brought brought up as SST. I loved Dinosaur Junior,
but they initially just called themselves Dinosaur and then they
were sued by like a band formed by a bunch
of like also rans in a band called Dinosaur. H

(01:33:17):
What was the name of this band or what was
the thing of this band? I thought it was something hilarious.
How it was like, Yes, Dinosaurs, a supergroup formed in
the Bay Area, actually consisting of members of Big Brother
and the Holding Company, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, The
Grateful Dad Country, Joe and the Fish and keyboardist Merle

(01:33:40):
Saunders of the Jerry Garcia Band In Time, a guy
from Hot Tuna, another guy from Jefferson Airplane, Nicky Hopkins
Session legend Nicki Hopkins Country, Joe MacDonald and member of Moby.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Grape began touring.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
That is Wild studio album released in nineteen eighty eight. Wow,
what else we got?

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Which band? On the topic of band names, I know
we already had a category for that. Which band is
named for Marilyn Monroe's final film? Oh, that's the Pride
of Lodi, New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Misfits baby Glenn Danzig one of my man, just one
of the all time Italian Americans? Is he like me?

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Is he half Italian and half Eastern European? Danzig seems Oh?
I don't think Danzig is his real name. Oh is
that like a German tank or something. His name is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Glenn Allen Anzeloni. Yeah, all the Misfits guys had fake names.
Do you know that Jerry Only who is the bass player.
His name, his born given name is Gerald Kayaffah, and
he got so tired of correcting people that mispronounced his
name that he would just say just Jerry only, and

(01:34:57):
that's what he started getting called. Glenn Danzig. Don't know
how he got that name, but there's another reference to
his I mean, he just referenced everything in the Misfits
logo is itself actually taken from the Crimson Ghost, which

(01:35:19):
was one of those old like cereals from the nineteen fifties.
If you look up this thing, it is literally just
that skull like but as like a as like a
cheap mask, and then he just like ran it through
a photocopier and Danzig's horn with skull like his demon horn.
Skull logo is taken from I want to say a.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Code in the Barbarian.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Oh yeah, comic.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Yeah he's got He's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
There's just a number of I implore everyone to just go
onto YouTube and look up Danzig home movies, because there
was at one point like a LaserDisc dish in or
like an extraordinarily lavish box set of his stuff that
came with a bunch of black and white home movies
of him pacing like around his house and los flies,

(01:36:11):
bare chested, just talking about his book collection of like, oh, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
Like, there's one hundred and fifty documented cases of Werewolve's
chronicle to his book All true, All true. There's one
of them where you know they're hunting this werewolf in
Germany and this guy comes out of the comes out
of the forest shaking a baby in his teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Pretty cool, pretty cool danzigcilaris. There's so many Danzig ephemeros.
I note one is that he used someone used to
see him in his backyard with a giant ornate like
full length mirror watching himself lift weights to his own music.
There is a story about his bricks, most famously that

(01:36:55):
he had a large pile of bricks in the front
yard of his Los Fhela, Los Phillies home, and his
neighbors were getting upset with him, and so one day
he was out in the front yard hurling bricks into
a dumpster he had rented, saying here I am cleaning
up my mother bricks, bitch like screaming over and over.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Obviously he got.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Punched out one time by that dude, but just a
tremendous voice man and a pretty great songwriter too. I
mean he wrote actually a really beautiful song sung by
Roy Orbison for the Less Than Zero soundtrack. Yeah, he
wrote a song that was later recorded by Johnny Cash
called thirteen Man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
I love Glenn dancing. He's so funny, tiny little guy,
so short.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Well, speaking of punk guys doing songs with rock legends,
the Ramones, when they recorded their covers album Acid Eaters
in nineteen ninety three, specifically a tribute to their favorite
sixties bands, they got one of their heroes to sing
backing vocals.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Who was it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Who did get? Getting total sense? It makes total sense.
You have to give me a hint.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
What song was it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Oh, it'll give it, It'll give it away, Okay, because
it's a covers album. Yes, that's true. I don't know. Pass.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Pete Townsend sang back the cover of Substitute Substitute, one
of my favorite songs of the I'm just gonna pull
up the this uh this wiki page real quick and
find this out.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Oh there are several guest singers actually, Tracys the the
adult film actress sings.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Sebastian Bach of skid Row singing on Rolling Stones cover,
So technically I could have said any one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Three, although I said one of the rock heroes, and
Tracy Lord's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Could have been a rock hero. She had a music career. Actually,
I don't believe she did. Oh yeah, she did her
song love Never. This is how they knew her actually
because she was featured on the soundtrack to Pet Cemetery too.
I'm guessing yeah, and Ramones did the song to the

(01:39:15):
first one, which is one of my favorite of those songs.
I don't want to be Baby pet Cemetery, So she
had already been putting out right. That's so funny, that
little connection. Here's a hilarious tidbit from Johnny Ramone's autobiography,
Commando Townsend. Pete Townsend was a half an hour late

(01:39:37):
for his session, resulting in Johnny giving up and leaving
the studio to watch a Yankees game. Well, speaking of
Tracy Lord's and pornography, I would say New York punk
to English punk crossover, which New York Punk Icon was
briefly considered to be a sex pistols vocalist. Which New

(01:39:58):
York City Icon punk Icon punk Icon sex pistols vocalist.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
After Johnny rotten quit, I believe, so. I don't think
there's a chance in hell of you getting this Richard Hell.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Yes, yeah, did you google that?

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
I saw your figures move.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
I didn't. I just threw out a guess because he's
the only other famous singer I could mention I thought
of other than Joey Ramone or like. No, it actually
makes sense though, because Richard Hell of television by the way, Yeah,
but he also uh he was kicked out of television.
But he's like one of the only guys I can
think of that is like that early that the British

(01:40:39):
punks would have been familiar with. I mean, they wouldn't
have picked David Byrne, although yeah, can you imagine how
funny that would have been? God's God Save the Queen.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Apparently Malcolm McLaren was obsessed with Richard Hell's look.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Yes, Richard Hell was one of the Yes that that
that tracks, And that's what I remember about that is
that Richard Hall was considered one of the archetypal early
punks in terms of having like rip closed that was
safety pinned back together, sort of the disheveled Johnny Thunder's hair.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
I guess Paul Cook and Glenn Matlock refused because they
wanted an English singer to be the sex Pistols and
new singer. Yeah, well let's see now. David Byrne even
inspired me to other kind of nerdy punk adjacent people,
the Modern Lovers. Oh yes, this is a gameme. Their
first album was produced by a former member of the

(01:41:34):
Velvet Underground. Who was it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
John Cale was the only one who did any production work, right,
unless it was lou Reid, because I know Richmond idolized
lou Reed that was inspired to write road Runner and
like a bunch of different songs by kind of that
talk singing thing. But if lou Reid produced it at
that time, I don't think that would have actually translated
into any work.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
So I'm gonna say John Cale, that is correct. Okay,
I have I have a Modern Lovers follow up question.
Speaking of the Modern Lovers, two of the members were
later in famous and popular new wave bands, which were
the bands Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
It's Talking Heads and Blondie. Oh you got one, Tom
Tom Club? Now I know it's it's that Jerry Harrison
and Talking Heads and like proper new wave or like.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Yeah, the the prototypical like the Wikipedia page landing photo
for the New Wave.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
American Yes, Culture Club. No, No, I don't know. I
don't know the second one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
David Robinson later went on to be a drummer for
the Cars.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Oh far out. Yeah, that's wild man. Those guys must
have been really way more plugged into the punk roxy
and than we really give them credit for. Because famously,
Rick Okasik produced one of the brad Brains records. Yes, yes,
Rior is the label, but that's amazing. They must have
been way like actually down in the bowery seeing this stuff.

(01:43:07):
That's so cool. It was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Rick Okasek whips Weezer producer, Rick Okay s and okay,
last question, because I have a factoid about Patti Smith.
What member of the Motor City five MC five did
Patty Smith Mary.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Oh Fred Sonic Smith baby?

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
That is correct. They were married until Fred's sudden death
in nineteen ninety five from heart failure. They had two children.
The elder Jackson grew up to marry White Stripes drummer
Meg White in two thousand and nine. That is crazy,
and I thought that would be a good one to
end on because Patty Smith was the last person to

(01:43:45):
perform at CBGB's before it closed in October two thousand
and six.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Patti Smith, if you read Please Kill Me, the punching
bag of that book, yeah, derided as like an incredible
clout chaser. There's obviously a whiff of misogyny there, a
lot of that was a similar complaints were also lodged
against Sonic Youth and you know Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore,
where I think the quote about them is that they

(01:44:11):
were very conscious of being seen at the right parties
and like talking to the right people, you know. But yeah,
Please Kill Me is very very stacked against Patty Smith
sort of one of the only things that runs counter
to her like deification.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Well you know, I think it looks like we tied.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Oh hell yeah, oh man, that's the that's the best
possible outcome.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
So there are no winners, but two losers.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Or two winners and the best friends. That is true.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
That was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
I like doing these folks.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
You actually, if I shra you've actually enjoyed That's how
it's gonna phrase that. Folks, if you enjoyed that, please
let us know. We can do more of these types
of episodes every now and then. I thought that was
really fun, you know. I mean you always joke about
doing oops all digressions episode and that's pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
What this was. Yeah, true, I mean it's because it's
difficult to find like overlapping, because my tastes only get
like more granular and less like pre war delta blues
or just broadly speaking, jazz.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Well, I just knew this would yield like scatological anecdotes and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Yeah, yeah, that says more about you than me, it does,
you know very much. So well, folks, thank you. This
has been the second stump the buff episode of Too
Much Information. We will be back whenever the hell we
want with a regular episode.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Thanks for listening.

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