November 17, 2022 • 24 mins
Kalie revisits one of her favorite episodes of the podcast and talks about where she’s at in her body positivity journey. Also… can we please stop saying “heroin chic”?!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, I'm Kaylie Shure and this is too much
to say asking questions. Now turn it out you all right, hello,
welcome back. UM. So, one of my most popular episodes
(00:23):
to this day of the podcast that is, like I
think it's like the most shared and definitely the one
I heard the most from you guys about is Hungry
as the New Skinny from the very beginning of the podcast,
And if you haven't listened to it, I recommend going
back and listening to that now before we dive in,
because it's like a little bit of a part to
slash an update, but it's the episode on body image,
(00:47):
and um it's one of my favorites as well, so
if you haven't heard it, go back and listen to it.
It's one of the beginning, very first episodes. But if
you have heard it, then let's dive in. So it's
so hard to keep up because body image is like
gets woven in with trends so often where it's like
(01:11):
this certain body types and style or like body positivity
is being used by large brands to get people to
buy their ship and it just becomes so commercial and
just like body positivity and body types shouldn't be have
any part in capitalism, but they do um and we're
(01:31):
being sold things every day everywhere we look, from stuff
we see on Instagram, stuff we see on TV, stuff
we see in magazines and even like, I mean, it's
hard going through Instagram and seeing people that you know
that you're jealous of and that you like compare yourself to.
And I've had to like, I want to get past
(01:54):
this point, but there are some people that I see
them and I see their posts and they might be
like really like heavy on the fitness stuff and talking
about calories and what they eat and blah blah blah,
and I've had to like mute them because it's not
good for me to look at. And it's nothing offensive
to that person because that person might have no disordered
(02:15):
eating thoughts. They're just passionate about fitness and it's not
their fault, but it's also something I can't see. So
for starters, never feel guilty about doing that. I feel
like one of the new trends that has caught on
that's really damaging is intermittent fasting, which I'd also like
to preface this with different things work for different people,
(02:37):
and some people really enjoy doing that and it's seeing
good results and feel healthier. But what's right for one
body is not right for all of them, and that's
something we need to remember. So if you ever did
the whole thirty and you didn't see any results, you
didn't feel any better, like you might haven't like you
might need nutrients. You might have a calcium deficiency, so
(02:58):
dairy is actually really good to eat for. You might
not be lactose until rant um all of those things.
So some people have really differing types of metabolism that
relates to their thyroid. Um My cat, for one, has
a um hyper active thyroid hypo. He has the one
(03:18):
where you can't gain weight no matter what. So this
freaking cat, he is just starting to get his little
belly back, which is really good. But he metabolizes things
so fast, and he'll eat all day every day. He'll
eat people food off the counter if he sees it,
and so I have to feed him all the time.
And I've started making him like real people food, so
(03:39):
he's eating. He has like a plate of chicken that
I cooked in a pan, Like that's how much I
love this cat. But people have things like that with
their thyroids too, so they can eat all day every day,
not gain weight, but still not feel well like it's
still a problem. That's not a good thing. Um. And
then some people have like an underactive thyroid, which means
that they could diet, they could work out, they could
(04:00):
do all these things, and their body just retains the weight.
And that's why. And I'm not a doctor. Also, I
feel like I should preface with that, but I do
know from my decades of experience as an anorexic about
what starvation mode is. And when your body goes into
starvation mode, it's basically like you haven't been feeding it enough,
(04:22):
and the primal parts of you are like, Okay, I
don't know. The next time I'm going to get food,
I'm going to turn everything into fat to store it.
And I'm not going to let that go because I
need to have fat stored in order to stay alive,
because I'm starving and your body doesn't know that you're
doing it to yourself, like your your body has no idea.
(04:45):
Your body thinks that you're, you know, on the planes
in a jungle and have no access to food and
there's a famine, like that's as far as your body
is concerned. That's what's happening. And so it's like an
amazing thing that our bodies do that. But because we're
starving ourselves, it's like making everything go out of whack.
(05:06):
And it also takes a while for your metabolism to
recover from something like that. So there would be times
where I wasn't eating at all, Like I would not
eat for like days, and I do all these weird diets.
I used to just like drink cayenne pepper, lemon water
and like call that a meal. Um, just really crazy
stuff like that, and I wouldn't lose weight, and if anything,
(05:26):
I feel like like I don't feel like I noticed
that I like gained weight, like I wasn't like doing that,
but I was losing muscle and all of it was
being converted to fat. And that's like where like the
term skinny fat kind of comes in, UM, where it's
just like you you have no muscle because your body
is turning everything into fat. And also if you start
(05:47):
have too much, your body will start eating its own
organs because that's like the best option, which is terrifying. UM. So,
when you bring intermittent fasting in and somebody doesn't have
the kind of metabolism that that works for you're going
to not feel good. You might end up gaining weight,
and then that kind of like triggers this whole other thing,
(06:07):
because like I have to be really careful to not
weigh myself but also to like not throw my metabolism
for a loop, because right now I've settled into like
my body type and what it's supposed to look like
if I eat healthy the majority of the time, but
like also like down so brownies when I feel like it,
(06:28):
and I think that that's kind of falls under the
umbrella of intuitive eating. I've tried to not do too
much research on what that is because I just don't
need to fall down that rabbit hole, because you can
be looking at something about like nutrition and then all
of a sudden, you're like looking at like nothing tastes
as good as skinny fields, and that ship is so
(06:48):
triggering for me. Um. But so like I'm just follow
what my body wants and it feels really simple, right,
Like it's like almost like ridiculous that that could be
like a concept, but it but it is, and it
works because your body tells you what you need, and
typically when you're craving something it's like your body knows
that that has that nutrient and you're missing that nutrient.
(07:10):
And also we crave brownies because we crave brownies. But like,
I just feel like following that has helped me a lot. So,
but the intermittent fasting thing. I have a friend who
was like, I feel like I'm not losing any weight
and I look different and I don't like how I
feel in my body right now, and I'm not feeling
really good. But I'm doing this inter minute fasting thing,
(07:30):
so why isn't it working? And I was like, well, girl,
you're like thyroid is probably like hates you right now.
And I feel like we need to remember that everybody
is different. Everybody is different, and what works for some
girl on Instagram isn't necessarily going to work for you
and also might not even work for her. Because another
(07:53):
thing I feel like we forget when we're looking at
celebrities and seeing there like crazy workout routines and all
that is like, ay, they have a nutritionist, they have
unlimited access to vitamins and supplements because that stuff is
super fucking expensive. They have a personal trainer, they have um,
A lot of people have had work done so like
(08:14):
you can't compare your body in its natural state to
somebody who has all those resources and probably has had
lifeho section and temmy tucks, and there's a thing like
I don't I'm not diving into what's wrong with plastic
surgery because I just don't. I think it's up to
the individual, and I don't know if i'd be against
it after I like have kids one day and like
(08:36):
maybe want to feel like I'm in my normal body.
Like I respect it, but it's really fucked up. I
think as a celebrity to not be honest with people
about that, because you're you're just adding to the unattainable
like ideal of what our body should look like. So
(08:58):
like when you're just reading something celebrity posts online, just
remember that, like it's not just because they eat this
certain smoothie for breakfast every day, Like there's so much
more going on there and m hmm. Intermittent fasting is
not going to cure all your problems, and you should
(09:19):
follow your appetite and follow like what you feel like
your body needs and that might work for you, but
don't put pressure on yourself where you feel like absolute garbage,
because it's not working for you, because it doesn't mean
you're doing it wrong. It just might mean your body
doesn't like it and it would like to be treated differently,
And is you know, kind of rebelling against you because
(09:40):
it doesn't like your approach. Yeah. So I've seen a
lot of stuff recently online talking about the Kardashians having
their um bbls dissolved, which is a Brazilian butt lift.
(10:05):
I don't even know what. I know that a lot
of people have had like really adverse reactions to it
because like I think it wasn't even illegal or wasn't
even legal in the US for a while, and people
were getting them done in other countries and basically just
having like cement injected into their asses. And I can't
imagine carrying that much that I would like. Well, I
(10:28):
guess I put my life at risk being hand rexit,
but I can't imagine doing that and like going under
anesthesia because I wanted a bigger butt and I have
like really fucked up body image issues and I've gotten
so much better over time, But like, I don't even
I think that's where I draw the line, and I
don't think like I'm using the Kardashians as an example.
(10:51):
I don't want to vilify them, I just don't have
an opinion, but that people end up perpetuating these like
body trends, and body trends are really fucking weird because
you change your body and then the trend goes away.
It's not like a pair of jeans, like skinny jeans
(11:12):
used to be really in and now they're out, so
you can just like donate your jeans and buy a
new pair, and then when those go out of style,
you can do the same thing. But like that's not
how bodies work. Like you're kind of stuck with it.
And it's so interesting because at one point in the nineties,
like super skinny, like real thin no ass with giant
fake tits was really in and it's a really bizarre
(11:35):
look because that's not like that's not a thing anymore.
Um And when you see like these women who had
that done back in the day, and they like just
look really unproportionate, and it's like a clearly something is
not like something's off, you know, like just from a
(11:55):
proportion standpoint, and you're you're like eyes know how to
sense that. It's almost like Uncanny Valley for bodies where
you look at something and you're like, okay, that's not
something that's human, but something's off and your your brain
knows that. Um. And I don't want that to sound
like I'm judging people's bodies, but like, I just want
to talk about the trend aspect, because people did that,
(12:18):
spent thousands and thousands of dollars on these trends, got
the really really really narrow noses, and now they're stuck
with those things even though that's not a trend anymore,
and like stronger features, like if when people are getting
those jobs, they do it completely differently, like they don't
look like that. And also people end up contouring their
noses a lot now, so not always getting nose jobs.
(12:41):
And then you have these breast implants and it's like
I don't feel I mean, I feel like men always
are like into boobs, but um, I don't feel like
they're as in style as they were and I have them,
so I feel like I can say that. Um, but
it like change to like butts and like being thick
(13:02):
and all of this stuff, and so like you you
can only change your body type so much with surgery too,
So like I remember I was like really big on
the squats thing. I was like, I'm gonna get a butt.
I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna have a booty
and it's gonna be great and men are gonna love me.
And I just couldn't do it, like no matter what
I was eating, no matter how much I was working out,
no matter how many squats I did. But I blame
(13:24):
myself and I'm like, I'm not good enough, I'm not
working out hard enough. But truthfully, it's just not my
body type. I just don't have an ass and that's okay,
that's completely fun. I also used to try to like
like I was thinking about getting a breast production and
like they're not even that big. But I just felt
like the um, you know, so many things in fashion
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were made for a body type I didn't have. And
that's also the problem with trends because like, okay, people
are following trends, but then close follow those trends and
you have like fashion nova jeans, which I could never
fit into in my fucking life because my hips aren't
that big and my waist isn't that's wall and you
just create this like weird thing where it's like you
have to have one body type, and it's not even
(14:08):
necessarily like just being skinny. It's having like these very
specific proportions. And then now that that's changing and butts
are out, apparently we're going I've seen these articles that
are like talking about going back to the super skinny
supermodel like Kate Moss smoking a cigarette aesthetic from the
(14:31):
late nineties, and it's like, we can't perpetuate the bodies
are a trend when you're like born with one and
you can only change it so much from diet, exercise,
and like plastic surgery. It's endlessly frustrating to me. So
I feel like that's something we're also up against every day,
is like fighting those standards and the fact that they
(14:53):
are just sometimes change at all times. YEA. So a
huge part of why I wanted to revisit this topic
was this article that I saw that was like baby
(15:13):
els are out, heroin chic is back in, and like
that's what they called the Kate Moss smoking a cigarette
acetic from the nineties, and it was just as like,
I mean, it's exactly what it sounds like. It's just
like super skinny and kind of sickly and a body
type that very few people have in a healthy way. Um,
(15:34):
but I also have to say, like this article was
totally written from a perspective of someone who was not
necessarily saying it was a bad thing. And they were
just like they're like, look without and look what's in,
like as if we're talking about like fucking shoes, and
it was so upsetting. And I also like, I mean,
I'm granted I'm a little extra sensitive because of my life,
(15:54):
but like I had, I have a sister who died
from a heroin overdose, Like I don't really want people
using that and like throwing it around like she was
heroine skinny because she was on heroin, not because she
thought it was cute and trendy and what Kim Gardashian
was going for now, Like it just feels like a
(16:14):
really fucking dark way to put it. And I thought
that maybe we've evolved enough in the past twenty five
years that we could like ditch that phrase. And you know,
I don't expect society to be less problematic about this,
to be completely honest, but I would think that maybe
they'd find a better term for referring to super skinny,
and like that's like an aesthetic you see now, like
(16:35):
it's like heroin chic aesthetic, Like also heroin chic. Heroin
is not chic, like stop it no bad and that's
just like ship Like, I mean, it's really hard because
when something like that hits that close to home, like
my sister, there's just triggers everywhere. And that's like, you know,
(17:00):
a micro trigger. And I don't want to sound like
a you know, snowflake saying that, but it is triggering
because I'm just like going about my day and then
it's like boom heroin and then I'm like boom crying
and it's just not I mean, I'm sure people feel
similarly about about like cancer, like just hearing that stuff
and like not being able to void it and TV
and like if you lost like a parent to it,
(17:21):
it's just awful. Um. But yeah, So I just was
like spiraling about how angry I was about the heroine
chic thing, and I I am so happy though that
there's good examples out there. I'm really happy that Taylor
Swift is being open about her eating disorder. It's not
(17:42):
anyone's business, she doesn't have to do that, but I
do think it's like it's important for people to see
that like a she wasn't that skinny naturally. Um again,
very few people are and be like she's beautiful and
talented and rich and gorgeous and still has had issues
with her body, like no one's immune to it um
(18:06):
at all. And I also love like Victoria's Secret by Jack's.
I'm obsessed with that song. Um, it's so good. It's
such a positive message and it also throws in some
like Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories, which I think is really
interesting but if you like and the fact that I
got released around the same time as that Victoria's Secret
documentary about the Jeffrey Epstein tian so like it was
(18:28):
not on purpose, like just happened, which is like very cool,
very good timing for Jack's. She's been hustling for a
really long time. Um. I remember I first heard her
music when she was in this band called Meadowland, which
was like I don't know if they opened for Testa
Py or if they were doing a contest, but I
remember like seeing them on Twitter when I was in
high school, so I'm an OG fan. But I love
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that song. It's so well written and it's like, I
don't know It's just one of those things where I'm like, Okay,
this is why I want my third junior, a little
sister to see. Like it's just great. And I noticed
that Victoria's Secret pretty shortly thereafter did like a body
positive campaign, which is like a little I don't want
to say too little, too late, because it still is important,
(19:10):
but it's also like come on, guys, come on, like
I can't leave. It took you this one. And I'm
also so thankful for stores like Airy, like I love
Airy so much, Like that's where I want to take
my thirteen year old sisters shopping for bras. She's not
going in and seeing this like hyper sexualized, super skinny stuff.
She's seeing people who look like her, who are like
(19:30):
beautiful and smiling and happy and doing things like I
just I love their entire aesthetic, like the whole nature thing.
I love the um thing they did with Kelsey Ballerini,
like from her being like an ambassador, just very cool.
I just I love Airy. Like whenever I have to
fill out like a questionnaire with my production team where
(19:51):
they're like, what's your like goal advertiser for your podcast,
I'm like Airy, Airy hands down. So this is my
this is my desperate Please please sponsor me. Arry, I
really love you. I'm wearing I'm wearing an entire area
off there right now. Um. But yeah, just that's that
stuff gives me hope. But I can't believe it took
that long for Victoria's Secret to get the fucking message. Um.
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But I love that song. And I do feel like
despite all of this messaging in everywhere and everywhere, Um,
I am doing better with my body than I ever
have been. Um. It's very rare that I have thoughts
that used to just like completely dominate my brain. And
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I do find that, like I don't know if this
is a good advice for anybody, but it's worked for me.
I do find that I am a little triggered by
being hungry because it's such a familiar feeling to me,
and it's like familiar in a really bad way. Like
it's just I used to really struggle with that, and
I would like get sort of addicted to the feeling
(20:57):
of being hungry, and that's just like really bad. Um.
And so when I don't have time to eat in
the middle of the day, because that just happens to everybody,
Like I get really grumpy, and then I start to
think about, like, oh, like if I could just feel
like this a little bit longer, like I could be skinnier,
and I could be and I'm like, shut the funk up, Keyley,
(21:17):
absolutely not. Those sazis do go away, and so I
just avoid it by just eating all the time and
that to that point, Like that might not work for everybody,
but for me, versus intermittent fasting, I feel like my
body responds best when I'm constantly feeding it and doing
like six smaller ish meals a day or like four
(21:40):
large snacks and then doing like a really big dinner
because I just like love food and I love going
out to dinner. Um, but I feel like that's been
really helpful for me, and it's been a lot less
triggering to not like feel that kind of dizzy lightness,
heavy like head rush feeling that happens from being hungry,
Like I just I don't need to go there, but
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I do feel better than I ever have. UM. I also,
full disclosure, um, started eating a little bit of meat again.
Like I still am mostly vegetarian, like flexitarian is a
good term, But as soon as I started eating me
like I started eating like healthy stuff like not processed,
(22:22):
like going to like the local butcher shop, going do
they like have their farms are like solar powered and
like really really like reduced waste and um, trying to
be as ethical as I can about it, because I
do feel like ikey when I eat animals, but I
feel so much better. Um, I definitely think I had
an iron deficiency. I just by bringing in a little
(22:44):
bit into my diet because I just don't feel like
I was being a responsible vegetarian, I feel a lot better,
and my doctor and I've talked about it, and it's like, Okay,
if this is working for you and you feel better,
don't add guilt into the picture, because guilt is what
made my neating disorder spirals so much. So I'm just
trying to like listen to my body and ideally one
(23:05):
day we live in a world where you can get
all your nutrients very easily from vegan foods. I can't
um because I just like I've I've looked into it,
but then I end up like counting things like calories
and protein and all of that, and that's like such
a slippery slow for me. So I just feel like
what I'm doing right now is working and I'm listening
(23:28):
to my body and it's not ideal, but I'm trying
to not get into that like dirty versus clean, good
versus bad food thing. Um, So we're working on it.
We're evolving. Every day is just one step closer to
being better, and I want to just make sure I'm
(23:49):
not getting swept up into old habits. But that's my
little update on Hungary as the new skinny. Um. Thank
you guys so much for listening, and I will be
back next week. I'm really sure. And this is too
much to say, but don't gonna ask me questions to
do answer, So I've got to say now'll tell it
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out to you. You
Hey, guys, I'm Kaylie Shure and this is too much
to say asking questions. Now turn it out you all right, hello,
welcome back. UM. So, one of my most popular episodes
(00:23):
to this day of the podcast that is, like I
think it's like the most shared and definitely the one
I heard the most from you guys about is Hungry
as the New Skinny from the very beginning of the podcast,
And if you haven't listened to it, I recommend going
back and listening to that now before we dive in,
because it's like a little bit of a part to
slash an update, but it's the episode on body image,
(00:47):
and um it's one of my favorites as well, so
if you haven't heard it, go back and listen to it.
It's one of the beginning, very first episodes. But if
you have heard it, then let's dive in. So it's
so hard to keep up because body image is like
gets woven in with trends so often where it's like
(01:11):
this certain body types and style or like body positivity
is being used by large brands to get people to
buy their ship and it just becomes so commercial and
just like body positivity and body types shouldn't be have
any part in capitalism, but they do um and we're
(01:31):
being sold things every day everywhere we look, from stuff
we see on Instagram, stuff we see on TV, stuff
we see in magazines and even like, I mean, it's
hard going through Instagram and seeing people that you know
that you're jealous of and that you like compare yourself to.
And I've had to like, I want to get past
(01:54):
this point, but there are some people that I see
them and I see their posts and they might be
like really like heavy on the fitness stuff and talking
about calories and what they eat and blah blah blah,
and I've had to like mute them because it's not
good for me to look at. And it's nothing offensive
to that person because that person might have no disordered
(02:15):
eating thoughts. They're just passionate about fitness and it's not
their fault, but it's also something I can't see. So
for starters, never feel guilty about doing that. I feel
like one of the new trends that has caught on
that's really damaging is intermittent fasting, which I'd also like
to preface this with different things work for different people,
(02:37):
and some people really enjoy doing that and it's seeing
good results and feel healthier. But what's right for one
body is not right for all of them, and that's
something we need to remember. So if you ever did
the whole thirty and you didn't see any results, you
didn't feel any better, like you might haven't like you
might need nutrients. You might have a calcium deficiency, so
(02:58):
dairy is actually really good to eat for. You might
not be lactose until rant um all of those things.
So some people have really differing types of metabolism that
relates to their thyroid. Um My cat, for one, has
a um hyper active thyroid hypo. He has the one
(03:18):
where you can't gain weight no matter what. So this
freaking cat, he is just starting to get his little
belly back, which is really good. But he metabolizes things
so fast, and he'll eat all day every day. He'll
eat people food off the counter if he sees it,
and so I have to feed him all the time.
And I've started making him like real people food, so
(03:39):
he's eating. He has like a plate of chicken that
I cooked in a pan, Like that's how much I
love this cat. But people have things like that with
their thyroids too, so they can eat all day every day,
not gain weight, but still not feel well like it's
still a problem. That's not a good thing. Um. And
then some people have like an underactive thyroid, which means
that they could diet, they could work out, they could
(04:00):
do all these things, and their body just retains the weight.
And that's why. And I'm not a doctor. Also, I
feel like I should preface with that, but I do
know from my decades of experience as an anorexic about
what starvation mode is. And when your body goes into
starvation mode, it's basically like you haven't been feeding it enough,
(04:22):
and the primal parts of you are like, Okay, I
don't know. The next time I'm going to get food,
I'm going to turn everything into fat to store it.
And I'm not going to let that go because I
need to have fat stored in order to stay alive,
because I'm starving and your body doesn't know that you're
doing it to yourself, like your your body has no idea.
(04:45):
Your body thinks that you're, you know, on the planes
in a jungle and have no access to food and
there's a famine, like that's as far as your body
is concerned. That's what's happening. And so it's like an
amazing thing that our bodies do that. But because we're
starving ourselves, it's like making everything go out of whack.
(05:06):
And it also takes a while for your metabolism to
recover from something like that. So there would be times
where I wasn't eating at all, Like I would not
eat for like days, and I do all these weird diets.
I used to just like drink cayenne pepper, lemon water
and like call that a meal. Um, just really crazy
stuff like that, and I wouldn't lose weight, and if anything,
(05:26):
I feel like like I don't feel like I noticed
that I like gained weight, like I wasn't like doing that,
but I was losing muscle and all of it was
being converted to fat. And that's like where like the
term skinny fat kind of comes in, UM, where it's
just like you you have no muscle because your body
is turning everything into fat. And also if you start
(05:47):
have too much, your body will start eating its own
organs because that's like the best option, which is terrifying. UM. So,
when you bring intermittent fasting in and somebody doesn't have
the kind of metabolism that that works for you're going
to not feel good. You might end up gaining weight,
and then that kind of like triggers this whole other thing,
(06:07):
because like I have to be really careful to not
weigh myself but also to like not throw my metabolism
for a loop, because right now I've settled into like
my body type and what it's supposed to look like
if I eat healthy the majority of the time, but
like also like down so brownies when I feel like it,
(06:28):
and I think that that's kind of falls under the
umbrella of intuitive eating. I've tried to not do too
much research on what that is because I just don't
need to fall down that rabbit hole, because you can
be looking at something about like nutrition and then all
of a sudden, you're like looking at like nothing tastes
as good as skinny fields, and that ship is so
(06:48):
triggering for me. Um. But so like I'm just follow
what my body wants and it feels really simple, right,
Like it's like almost like ridiculous that that could be
like a concept, but it but it is, and it
works because your body tells you what you need, and
typically when you're craving something it's like your body knows
that that has that nutrient and you're missing that nutrient.
(07:10):
And also we crave brownies because we crave brownies. But like,
I just feel like following that has helped me a lot. So,
but the intermittent fasting thing. I have a friend who
was like, I feel like I'm not losing any weight
and I look different and I don't like how I
feel in my body right now, and I'm not feeling
really good. But I'm doing this inter minute fasting thing,
(07:30):
so why isn't it working? And I was like, well, girl,
you're like thyroid is probably like hates you right now.
And I feel like we need to remember that everybody
is different. Everybody is different, and what works for some
girl on Instagram isn't necessarily going to work for you
and also might not even work for her. Because another
(07:53):
thing I feel like we forget when we're looking at
celebrities and seeing there like crazy workout routines and all
that is like, ay, they have a nutritionist, they have
unlimited access to vitamins and supplements because that stuff is
super fucking expensive. They have a personal trainer, they have um,
A lot of people have had work done so like
(08:14):
you can't compare your body in its natural state to
somebody who has all those resources and probably has had
lifeho section and temmy tucks, and there's a thing like
I don't I'm not diving into what's wrong with plastic
surgery because I just don't. I think it's up to
the individual, and I don't know if i'd be against
it after I like have kids one day and like
(08:36):
maybe want to feel like I'm in my normal body.
Like I respect it, but it's really fucked up. I
think as a celebrity to not be honest with people
about that, because you're you're just adding to the unattainable
like ideal of what our body should look like. So
(08:58):
like when you're just reading something celebrity posts online, just
remember that, like it's not just because they eat this
certain smoothie for breakfast every day, Like there's so much
more going on there and m hmm. Intermittent fasting is
not going to cure all your problems, and you should
(09:19):
follow your appetite and follow like what you feel like
your body needs and that might work for you, but
don't put pressure on yourself where you feel like absolute garbage,
because it's not working for you, because it doesn't mean
you're doing it wrong. It just might mean your body
doesn't like it and it would like to be treated differently,
And is you know, kind of rebelling against you because
(09:40):
it doesn't like your approach. Yeah. So I've seen a
lot of stuff recently online talking about the Kardashians having
their um bbls dissolved, which is a Brazilian butt lift.
(10:05):
I don't even know what. I know that a lot
of people have had like really adverse reactions to it
because like I think it wasn't even illegal or wasn't
even legal in the US for a while, and people
were getting them done in other countries and basically just
having like cement injected into their asses. And I can't
imagine carrying that much that I would like. Well, I
(10:28):
guess I put my life at risk being hand rexit,
but I can't imagine doing that and like going under
anesthesia because I wanted a bigger butt and I have
like really fucked up body image issues and I've gotten
so much better over time, But like, I don't even
I think that's where I draw the line, and I
don't think like I'm using the Kardashians as an example.
(10:51):
I don't want to vilify them, I just don't have
an opinion, but that people end up perpetuating these like
body trends, and body trends are really fucking weird because
you change your body and then the trend goes away.
It's not like a pair of jeans, like skinny jeans
(11:12):
used to be really in and now they're out, so
you can just like donate your jeans and buy a
new pair, and then when those go out of style,
you can do the same thing. But like that's not
how bodies work. Like you're kind of stuck with it.
And it's so interesting because at one point in the nineties,
like super skinny, like real thin no ass with giant
fake tits was really in and it's a really bizarre
(11:35):
look because that's not like that's not a thing anymore.
Um And when you see like these women who had
that done back in the day, and they like just
look really unproportionate, and it's like a clearly something is
not like something's off, you know, like just from a
(11:55):
proportion standpoint, and you're you're like eyes know how to
sense that. It's almost like Uncanny Valley for bodies where
you look at something and you're like, okay, that's not
something that's human, but something's off and your your brain
knows that. Um. And I don't want that to sound
like I'm judging people's bodies, but like, I just want
to talk about the trend aspect, because people did that,
(12:18):
spent thousands and thousands of dollars on these trends, got
the really really really narrow noses, and now they're stuck
with those things even though that's not a trend anymore,
and like stronger features, like if when people are getting
those jobs, they do it completely differently, like they don't
look like that. And also people end up contouring their
noses a lot now, so not always getting nose jobs.
(12:41):
And then you have these breast implants and it's like
I don't feel I mean, I feel like men always
are like into boobs, but um, I don't feel like
they're as in style as they were and I have them,
so I feel like I can say that. Um, but
it like change to like butts and like being thick
(13:02):
and all of this stuff, and so like you you
can only change your body type so much with surgery too,
So like I remember I was like really big on
the squats thing. I was like, I'm gonna get a butt.
I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna have a booty
and it's gonna be great and men are gonna love me.
And I just couldn't do it, like no matter what
I was eating, no matter how much I was working out,
no matter how many squats I did. But I blame
(13:24):
myself and I'm like, I'm not good enough, I'm not
working out hard enough. But truthfully, it's just not my
body type. I just don't have an ass and that's okay,
that's completely fun. I also used to try to like
like I was thinking about getting a breast production and
like they're not even that big. But I just felt
like the um, you know, so many things in fashion
(13:46):
were made for a body type I didn't have. And
that's also the problem with trends because like, okay, people
are following trends, but then close follow those trends and
you have like fashion nova jeans, which I could never
fit into in my fucking life because my hips aren't
that big and my waist isn't that's wall and you
just create this like weird thing where it's like you
have to have one body type, and it's not even
(14:08):
necessarily like just being skinny. It's having like these very
specific proportions. And then now that that's changing and butts
are out, apparently we're going I've seen these articles that
are like talking about going back to the super skinny
supermodel like Kate Moss smoking a cigarette aesthetic from the
(14:31):
late nineties, and it's like, we can't perpetuate the bodies
are a trend when you're like born with one and
you can only change it so much from diet, exercise,
and like plastic surgery. It's endlessly frustrating to me. So
I feel like that's something we're also up against every day,
is like fighting those standards and the fact that they
(14:53):
are just sometimes change at all times. YEA. So a
huge part of why I wanted to revisit this topic
was this article that I saw that was like baby
(15:13):
els are out, heroin chic is back in, and like
that's what they called the Kate Moss smoking a cigarette
acetic from the nineties, and it was just as like,
I mean, it's exactly what it sounds like. It's just
like super skinny and kind of sickly and a body
type that very few people have in a healthy way. Um,
(15:34):
but I also have to say, like this article was
totally written from a perspective of someone who was not
necessarily saying it was a bad thing. And they were
just like they're like, look without and look what's in,
like as if we're talking about like fucking shoes, and
it was so upsetting. And I also like, I mean,
I'm granted I'm a little extra sensitive because of my life,
(15:54):
but like I had, I have a sister who died
from a heroin overdose, Like I don't really want people
using that and like throwing it around like she was
heroine skinny because she was on heroin, not because she
thought it was cute and trendy and what Kim Gardashian
was going for now, Like it just feels like a
(16:14):
really fucking dark way to put it. And I thought
that maybe we've evolved enough in the past twenty five
years that we could like ditch that phrase. And you know,
I don't expect society to be less problematic about this,
to be completely honest, but I would think that maybe
they'd find a better term for referring to super skinny,
and like that's like an aesthetic you see now, like
(16:35):
it's like heroin chic aesthetic, Like also heroin chic. Heroin
is not chic, like stop it no bad and that's
just like ship Like, I mean, it's really hard because
when something like that hits that close to home, like
my sister, there's just triggers everywhere. And that's like, you know,
(17:00):
a micro trigger. And I don't want to sound like
a you know, snowflake saying that, but it is triggering
because I'm just like going about my day and then
it's like boom heroin and then I'm like boom crying
and it's just not I mean, I'm sure people feel
similarly about about like cancer, like just hearing that stuff
and like not being able to void it and TV
and like if you lost like a parent to it,
(17:21):
it's just awful. Um. But yeah, So I just was
like spiraling about how angry I was about the heroine
chic thing, and I I am so happy though that
there's good examples out there. I'm really happy that Taylor
Swift is being open about her eating disorder. It's not
(17:42):
anyone's business, she doesn't have to do that, but I
do think it's like it's important for people to see
that like a she wasn't that skinny naturally. Um again,
very few people are and be like she's beautiful and
talented and rich and gorgeous and still has had issues
with her body, like no one's immune to it um
(18:06):
at all. And I also love like Victoria's Secret by Jack's.
I'm obsessed with that song. Um, it's so good. It's
such a positive message and it also throws in some
like Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories, which I think is really
interesting but if you like and the fact that I
got released around the same time as that Victoria's Secret
documentary about the Jeffrey Epstein tian so like it was
(18:28):
not on purpose, like just happened, which is like very cool,
very good timing for Jack's. She's been hustling for a
really long time. Um. I remember I first heard her
music when she was in this band called Meadowland, which
was like I don't know if they opened for Testa
Py or if they were doing a contest, but I
remember like seeing them on Twitter when I was in
high school, so I'm an OG fan. But I love
(18:48):
that song. It's so well written and it's like, I
don't know It's just one of those things where I'm like, Okay,
this is why I want my third junior, a little
sister to see. Like it's just great. And I noticed
that Victoria's Secret pretty shortly thereafter did like a body
positive campaign, which is like a little I don't want
to say too little, too late, because it still is important,
(19:10):
but it's also like come on, guys, come on, like
I can't leave. It took you this one. And I'm
also so thankful for stores like Airy, like I love
Airy so much, Like that's where I want to take
my thirteen year old sisters shopping for bras. She's not
going in and seeing this like hyper sexualized, super skinny stuff.
She's seeing people who look like her, who are like
(19:30):
beautiful and smiling and happy and doing things like I
just I love their entire aesthetic, like the whole nature thing.
I love the um thing they did with Kelsey Ballerini,
like from her being like an ambassador, just very cool.
I just I love Airy. Like whenever I have to
fill out like a questionnaire with my production team where
(19:51):
they're like, what's your like goal advertiser for your podcast,
I'm like Airy, Airy hands down. So this is my
this is my desperate Please please sponsor me. Arry, I
really love you. I'm wearing I'm wearing an entire area
off there right now. Um. But yeah, just that's that
stuff gives me hope. But I can't believe it took
that long for Victoria's Secret to get the fucking message. Um.
(20:14):
But I love that song. And I do feel like
despite all of this messaging in everywhere and everywhere, Um,
I am doing better with my body than I ever
have been. Um. It's very rare that I have thoughts
that used to just like completely dominate my brain. And
(20:36):
I do find that, like I don't know if this
is a good advice for anybody, but it's worked for me.
I do find that I am a little triggered by
being hungry because it's such a familiar feeling to me,
and it's like familiar in a really bad way. Like
it's just I used to really struggle with that, and
I would like get sort of addicted to the feeling
(20:57):
of being hungry, and that's just like really bad. Um.
And so when I don't have time to eat in
the middle of the day, because that just happens to everybody,
Like I get really grumpy, and then I start to
think about, like, oh, like if I could just feel
like this a little bit longer, like I could be skinnier,
and I could be and I'm like, shut the funk up, Keyley,
(21:17):
absolutely not. Those sazis do go away, and so I
just avoid it by just eating all the time and
that to that point, Like that might not work for everybody,
but for me, versus intermittent fasting, I feel like my
body responds best when I'm constantly feeding it and doing
like six smaller ish meals a day or like four
(21:40):
large snacks and then doing like a really big dinner
because I just like love food and I love going
out to dinner. Um, but I feel like that's been
really helpful for me, and it's been a lot less
triggering to not like feel that kind of dizzy lightness,
heavy like head rush feeling that happens from being hungry,
Like I just I don't need to go there, but
(22:00):
I do feel better than I ever have. UM. I also,
full disclosure, um, started eating a little bit of meat again.
Like I still am mostly vegetarian, like flexitarian is a
good term, But as soon as I started eating me
like I started eating like healthy stuff like not processed,
(22:22):
like going to like the local butcher shop, going do
they like have their farms are like solar powered and
like really really like reduced waste and um, trying to
be as ethical as I can about it, because I
do feel like ikey when I eat animals, but I
feel so much better. Um, I definitely think I had
an iron deficiency. I just by bringing in a little
(22:44):
bit into my diet because I just don't feel like
I was being a responsible vegetarian, I feel a lot better,
and my doctor and I've talked about it, and it's like, Okay,
if this is working for you and you feel better,
don't add guilt into the picture, because guilt is what
made my neating disorder spirals so much. So I'm just
trying to like listen to my body and ideally one
(23:05):
day we live in a world where you can get
all your nutrients very easily from vegan foods. I can't
um because I just like I've I've looked into it,
but then I end up like counting things like calories
and protein and all of that, and that's like such
a slippery slow for me. So I just feel like
what I'm doing right now is working and I'm listening
(23:28):
to my body and it's not ideal, but I'm trying
to not get into that like dirty versus clean, good
versus bad food thing. Um, So we're working on it.
We're evolving. Every day is just one step closer to
being better, and I want to just make sure I'm
(23:49):
not getting swept up into old habits. But that's my
little update on Hungary as the new skinny. Um. Thank
you guys so much for listening, and I will be
back next week. I'm really sure. And this is too
much to say, but don't gonna ask me questions to
do answer, So I've got to say now'll tell it
(24:10):
out to you. You
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