April 30, 2025 • 30 mins
Daisy’s friends and family receive a shocking tip in an Instagram DM about the suspect’s whereabouts. It completely upends their understanding about where he’s been hiding all these months. They send the tip to detectives, and a day later, they finally see their dogged efforts pay off: The suspect is caught. But his long-awaited arrest marks the start of yet another nightmare.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It was a little before eleven am on July first,
twenty twenty one, a Thursday, right before July fourth weekend.
Everyone on the road seemed to be in a hurry,
trying to squeeze in one last thing before the holiday,
including Susie. She was running a work errand to the
post office when her cellphone rang. It was her cousin,
Mimi Garcia. Mimi had been managing the Justice for Daisy
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instagram account along with one of Daisy's friends. Together, they'd
been sifting through dms from people who claimed they'd spotted Victor.
They didn't want to overwhelm Susie or give her false hope,
so they only passed along the most promising leads. Susie
knew this, and now she was anxious to know why
Mimi was calling, but her cousin was insistent that she
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pulled over. After some back and forth, Susie agreed, and
that's when her cousin shared the news. Somebody had messaged
the Justice for Daisy instagram account, and this person said
that not only had he seen Victor, he knew him.
Actually he knew Billy. That's the name Victor was apparently
going by. They worked together at a bar in Mexico,
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and he had a video to prove it. Susie was confused.
Tons of people had reported seeing Victor around La so
how could he be in Mexico and why would he
be working at a bar. Susie wanted to see the video,
but there was a catch. The guy who offered it
wanted money. He said that Victor or Billy or whoever
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owed him money, and that if he got arrested, he
wouldn't get his money back, so he had to get
it somewhere else. Susie was skeptical. It was a huge
risk because what if the man never sent the video,
or what if he did and it turned out to
not be Victor in it. But her cousin had already
thought this through. She'd told the guy in her DMS
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that she needed to know for sure the video was legit,
and he came up with a solution. He said he'd
send her a snippet of the video, a sampling of
the product before she got it. It would disappear immediately
after she viewed it in her DMS, and if she
wanted to keep it, it would cost her. When the
video arrived in Mimi's DMS, she took a deep breath
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and clicked on the play icon. She had hoped to
take a screen recording, but she was so nervous that
her hands froze. Before the video ended, she realized she
had just enough time to take a screenshot, and that's
when she called Susie. She needed her to look at
the screenshot and tell her was it him. It's why
she was so insistent that Susie pulled over. Susie sat
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in her car waiting for her cousin's text to arrive.
When it did, she immediately opened it. The resolution wasn't great,
but the photo clearly showed a man sitting at a
high top table with at least one other person. There
was a bucket of beer and a few bottles on
the table. The man's elbow was propped up and he
was holding a cigarette between his fingers. He didn't have
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any of the distinctive features that were displayed on the
photos of Victor. For one thing, he didn't have dark hair.
It was bleached, or at least like the middle of
it was. He wore a long sleeve shirt so no
visible tattoos, and his face was turned to one side
and his hand was covering his ear. But Susie didn't
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need to rely on hair color, or tattoos or ear
piercings to know that it was Victor. She took one
look at the screenshot and she knew instantly it was him.
This man so casually smoking a cigarette at a bar.
This was the man who had murdered her daughter. I'm
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Jen Swan from London Audio iHeartRadio an executive producer, Paris Hilton.
This is my Friend Daisy, episode seven Karma. Seeing Victor
in that photo, Susie told me it did something to her.
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Those were the words that she used in our interview.
It did something to me. There was something about how
he looked in that image. He just looked so completely unbothered.
That just drove Susie crazy. Before seeing that screenshot, she
had imagined that maybe Victor had been hiding out somewhere,
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living in the shadows on the fringes. She had considered
that maybe Victor had made his way across the border.
But whatever she pictured, it was not this Victor in
a bar, out in the open, out of the shadows.
There was something else about it that really did not
sit right with Susie, and that was the type of
bar that Victor had apparently been recognized in.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's called Papa's and Beer. Maybe you've heard of it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It's not this like underground hole in the walls Eye Bar.
It's one of the most popular nightclubs in all of Baja,
a place so massive that it calls itself the West
coast largest beach club, and so touristy that it offers
its own shuttle service from San Diego. It was just
about the last place that Susie had expected Victor to
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show his face to her. The screenshot telegraphed an almost
incomprehensible message that Victor thought he was going to get
away with murder. I actually tracked down the guy who
sent this DM. I found his Instagram handle in the
screenshot that Susie had texted to me, the one that
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her cousin had texted to her. I had a phone
conversation with this guy over WhatsApp, and maybe they shouldn't
have surprised me, but he actually tried to make a
deal with me too. He didn't want to do the
interview unless he got paid for it. But just as
he'd eventually given in and sent the screenshot to Mimi,
he also ended up giving me the information that I
was looking for. He confirmed Susie and Mimi version of
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events with me. Anyway, Susie sent this screenshot to Detective
Luco right after Mimi had sent it to her. This
was the big tip they'd been waiting for, but when
she got Lugo on the line, he wasn't nearly as
energized about this tip as she was. Luco said he'd
already gotten a tip of his own, and the last
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thing he wanted was for Victor to catch wind of
it and make a run for it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Again.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Susie was told to wait, to calm down, to sit
back and let the detectives do their jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
She'd heard that before.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Earlier that morning, Detective Sanchez wasn't a meeting at the
homicide Bureau. It was a weekly meeting where he and
the other detectives gave status updates on their cases.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The phone at my desk rings, and I didn't want
to be rude. Somebody was talking, so I'd let to
go to voicemail and got a message. So after the
meeting I heard it. It was a lady's voice and says, hey,
I have some information on a flyer that you guys
put out yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Okay, I haven't been able to speak to this woman,
and I haven't heard this voicemail. Sancho said, it doesn't
exist anymore. He and his partner Lugo said all messages
get automatically deleted after thirty days.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I called the lady back. When I called the lady back,
the ring tone was odd. It was in a regular ringtone.
Was it more of a buzz sound? Al and I
know that when you call a foreign country, the ringtone
is a buzz Where's this person calling.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Me from Mexico? She was calling from Rosarito, Mexico. She
was an American living in San Diego and she was
visiting a friend at the bar where he worked.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Somehow they saw our flyer and recognize Victor Sosa as
one of the employees at that bar, that he had
been there for a period of time, and that she
last saw him. I think like the day prior said Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Sanchez wrote down the name and location of the bar,
and then he forwarded it to the US Marshalls. They
then sent it to the Rosarito Police department, and then
Sanchez sort of forgot about it because the next day
he was at an auto body shop with his daughter.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
When a cellphone ring Friday morning, which would have been
July second, probably ten ten eleven, am ish, I get
a phone call from our office. I want to transfer
a phone call to me some camadante from some police
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in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Sanchez was about to leave on a family vacation to Mexico,
of all places, and like most American workers on the
friday leading into a holiday weekend, his mind was elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I said, okay, just transferhim. I didn't know, I didn't
know who he was. I wasn't sure what he was
calling about. And he identifies himself has some commandanta for
the Rosa Rito Police Department. That's when I kind of clicked,
oh man, and he says, hey, are you looking for
Victor Sosa? Yeah, says I have him.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
The Rosa Rito Police Department had Victor Sosa.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Do you remember how you were feeling when you got
this phone call?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Kind of been like, holy crap.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Holy crap.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
The murder suspect that had been on the run for months,
the guy Daisy's family had been rallying the internet to
find the so called shadow, the Richard Ramirez look alike,
the guy who had been everywhere and nowhere at once,
he'd suddenly fallen right into Sanchez's lap.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's not the first time since I've been here that
I've either scheduled a vacation or I've had I could
drop a kid off at college out of state, that
I've gotten a call and said, hey, we arrested your guy.
You know, It's like, oh my god, now.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
What the commandante had Victor transported to the border. There,
he was turned over to US Customs and Border Protection.
They located the warrant that sheriffs had filed for his
arrest just four days earlier.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
That had to been probably in the afternoon, like two o'clock.
I got a call from the CBP officer said, hey,
we have Victor social and custody. I said, outstanding.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Sanchez arranged to have a detective with the Sheriff's Fugitive
Division go on a road trip to one of the
busiest border crossings in the world on one of the
busiest travel days of the year.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Remember this is fourth of July weekend, so anybody driving south,
I mean, what's travel time from here down? There was
probably two hours, which probably took them double that and
then back up.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It meant that Sanchez and his partner Lugo had some
time to prepare for their interrogation. They got suited up,
they reviewed the evidence they'd collected, the interviews they'd done,
and they drove over to the East LA Sheriff's station.
Sanchez was filled with anxious energy. He was trying to
psych himself up. He had to figure out what to
say and how to get a confession out of an
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alleged killer.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I remember getting ready to go try to interview. I'm thinking, Okay,
what am I going to ask him? Like, how am
I gonna How am I going to approach this guy
so that he could tell me what happened that night? Right?
And you kind of kind of pump yourself up, like, Okay,
am I gonna how am I going to approach him?
What's the angles I'm going to hit this guy with?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
How did you decide? What was your approach?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
So?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I didn't want to come in too strong, right, because
I didn't want him to shut down. A lot of
it was was determined on when my first vision of him, right,
because I'd seen some pictures of him. He looked obviously
he was a lot younger, like you know, he was
in his twenties early twenties or whatever it was back then.
But I didn't want to come too strong to get
him a shut down. I didn't want to come into
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week say where he would overrun the or overtake the interview.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But when Victor walked through the door of the Sheriff's station,
he didn't look like he was going to overtake anything.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
When I saw him, he just he seemed very when
he looked tired, like he'd been up all night or
something like that, but he looked he looked scared, right like.
We walked into the interview room and he was sitting
in the back of the room. So we walked into
one door right he was sitting, and the room's probably
half this size, and he just looked at us and
had that like, oh man, who are these guys? Right?
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You show up in a suit? Who are these guys
to talk to me?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Victor looked so terrified that Lugo and Sanchez decided they
needed to get him to relax.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
We asked one of the one of the station of
Texas there, Hey, can you grab this guy something to eat? Right,
because again he doesn't know who we are. We're trying
to gain some sort of confidence so he could open
up to us.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
They ended up getting a McDonald's. After that, Lugo and
Sanchez decided it was time to ease into the interview,
and there were so many questions to ask, questions like
what actually happened and the night he allegedly met up
with Daisy, why did he go to Mexico, how long
had he been there, and how did he end up
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working at a spring break style nightclub. Before the detectives
could question Victor, they had to read him what's known
as the miranda warning. It lets the person in custody
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know they have a Fifth Amendment right against self ascrimination,
they have a right not to answer questions, they have
a right to speak to lawyer, and anything they say
can be used against them in court. And that's when
the interview fell apart before it even started.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
He didn't understand what our attorney was. Now. I don't
know if he was playing me right. You know, when
you asked him, you have the right to an attorney,
you understand, well, what's an attorney? I thought he was
playing like, what are you talking about? You don't know
what attorney is? Right, So you could continue the interview,
but anything you any questions or any information you gather
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after that, you're not gonna be able to use because
defense attorney's going to throw that out, you know, based
off of Miranda. So it's just I don't want to
say it was odd and I don't know if maybe
that was he was planning all along on his trip
up here. Hey, if they asked me a questions, I'm
just going to play, you know, like I don't understand.
But it was it was kind of a downer when
he was like, I don't know what an attorney.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Is, all right, good, look, it was to Sanchez a
huge disappointment.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
The one guy that could tell me what happened, didn't
they Just that was that was a big lit down. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Victor's bail was set at two million dollars. The booking
record from that day states that he had no property
with him and no car. There's nothing listed in the
line for an emergency contact. This paperwork also includes a
physical description of him, including a description of one of
his tattoos, the word karma on his right shoulder. In
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the booking photo, his hair is bleached down the middle,
just like in that screenshot that Susie had sent to Lugo,
and where his gauges had once been were now just
a pair of stretched holes in his ear lobes. He
looked tired, defeated. It had been a long day and
an even longer four months on the run. The night
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that Victor was arrested, Susie went on Facebook and posted
a public statement, first in Spanish and then in English.
She wrote, February twenty third, my life was brutally destroyed
by the murder of my only daughter. The person responsible
was a coward who hid. In the post, Susie thanked
her friends, her cousin and her daughter's best friend. She
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thanked Lugo and Sanchez and all the people who called
and shared posts on Instagram and Facebook and ticked talk.
Thanks to all of you, she wrote, this bastard is
behind bars. The post included a photo of Daisy in
her prom dress, her hair glowing bright white. Susie signed off,
using a moniker she'd come to use again and again
on social media, Daisy's mom Forever nineteen.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Three days later, Daisy's friend.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Her name is Rebecca Flantez, she posted a duet with
her original TikTok, you know the one that began this
is my friend Daisy, and she used it to announce
the news he has been caught. But this wasn't just
a celebration post. It was yet another call to action.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
But now we need all the help we can get.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
We need all of you guys to meet up to
get our voices heard.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Location in the comments. The next day, Daisy's mother and
about a dozen of Daisy's friends gathered at the location
in the comments, the Compton Courthouse. It's this towering concrete
building and there's the big white sculpture in the shape
of a tent in the plaza outside it. Daisy's friends
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streamed the whole thing on the Justice for Daisy Instagram page.
It was July sixth, the day of Victor's arraignment.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
We're on live, we're on live, recording live.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
As comments trickled in on the live stream, Rebecca turned
the camera on herself and read them aloud.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
We're now waiting for the hearing. It should be anytime soon. Now,
did you guys see him? No, all of us are
actually gonna go in the courtroom and we're going to
basically see his face since he did what he did.
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I'm praying for gus. Thank you I mean, we're being
safe about it. We're being respectful. They totally we could
protest behind the lines that we're doing now following instructions,
but you know, we have to see the life. SI.
Remember my friend's name. Hello. Yes, thank you guys for
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following along. We'll keep you guys updated. Feel free you
guys have any questions. She'll keep you guys updated.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
At one point, there was this comment that came on
the live stream that really seemed to upset Rebecca. I
don't know exactly what it said, but based on her reaction,
I assume it was something nasty.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Like, have some common sense in you. We're obviously all her,
Why would you say that.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
When the hearing started, Victor was read his charges first
degree murder and personal use of a deadly weapon. The
murder charge alone carried a possible sentence of twenty five
years to life. Victor pleaded not guilty. Susie found it
deeply distressing. When I spoke to her a few months
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after that day, she told me that he would have
avoided so much heartache and so much headache if.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
He would have just pled guilty.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But all right, she said, I guess you just want
to make it this much harder on yourself. It also
meant that it would be that much harder on Susie.
It meant that this case was going to trial. When
the preliminary hearings started in early September, Daisy's mother and
her friends all wore white T shirts printed with a
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photo of Daisy on them as they stood outside the courthouse.
Susie gave an interview to the local ABC seven news station.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's a coward. He knows exactly what he did.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
He took a part of my soul, and I can
never get her back until I ring night with her again.
I smile, and I go to the notions of life,
but I always have the empty space in me always.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I looked up the case on the court's website and
started showing up to these hearings. And it was in
the Compton courthouse that I first introduced myself to Susie.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I told her I'd seen.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Her story on the local news and that I thought
there was more to it. I told her I wanted
to know more about her daughter, about the social media
campaign about the investigation, And soon after that was when
we met at the Mexican restaurant and she told me
everything from the beginning about her daughter, her daughter's sex boyfriend,
her daughter's incredible friends, and the way she was still struggling,
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especially now that she was bracing herself for the trial.
She was experiencing a new kind of anxiety and waiting,
waiting for the court system, which was moving even slower
than normal thanks to COVID. Victor was being held at
Men's Central Jail in downtown LA and anytime someone in
his housing area got sick, it meant he couldn't come
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to court, which meant that nobody could come to court.
So the dates kept getting pushed back. But even as
the judge and the lawyers met again and again to reschedule,
Daisy's mother and her friends kept showing up. They wanted
Victor to see their faces, to know that they were watching,
that he wasn't going to get away with it. It
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was strange because ever since Daisy's murder, her friends and
her family had been desperate for any scrap of information
about the investigation, and now they'd have to hear and
see everything that had been hidden from them, every horrifying detail,
every graphic description, crime scene photographs, police camera footage, autopsy
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illustrations in April of the following year, I returned to
the Compton Courthouse for the main event the trial. Susie
and her cousin and a handful of her daughter's friends
filled the seats in the gallery. Sanchez was there too.
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He sat next to the prosecutor. The bailiff walked Victor
into the courtroom and removed his handcuffs. His hair was
parted and jelled. The bleach had grown out. He stared
straight ahead, emotionless. Over the next couple of days, I
watched as a small army of government workers took the
stand one after the other. There was a DNA analyst,
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a forensic identification specialist, a corner criminalist, a medical examiner,
and they were mostly young women. I remember listening to
them and feeling totally overwhelmed by this degree of specificity.
They went into about the most atrocious things. I thought about,
how their jobs required them to react to violence, to
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study its aftermath, to examine its impacts on human skin
and bones and organs. They talked about how they swabbed
Deasy's body, put the cotton swabs in sterile tubes, retrieved
her tampon, placed her clothing in brown paper bags. A
blue zip, a putty, a black shirt, a bra, pants, socks, shoes.
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They talked about collecting items from around her body, a knife,
a pair of black glasses, a yellow and blue beanie,
a keychain with a set of keys on it. They
told the jury how they rolled up the rug Wendy's rug,
packaged it, took it back to a crime lab and
laid it out on butcher paper to dry, then booked
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it into evidence. Tested everything for blood for seamen for saliva,
found a DNA profile consistent with victors on the carpet,
the knife, the keychain, the tampon. It was hard to
argue with the evidence, but victor's public defender aj Bain
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found a way. Throughout the trial. He argued that investigators
relied too much on DNA. He argued that they'd introduced
errors into their work, that they used outdated software, that
they were sloppy with changing their gloves, clumsy with collecting evidence,
half hazard was storing it, and that the detectives were
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lazy that they failed to ask questions to find out
who the knife belonged to, who the keys belonged to.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Detective and do law detectives.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
They didn't show any of the events to any any
either for mister or miss Lowe, to the town's cases.
Yours is sosinstello host.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That these keys hit the store, is a snife belong
to someone.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
He argued that Victor had nothing to do with Daisy's staff,
that Daisy lived in an area where robberies were routine,
where prostitution was pervasive, and that her murder could have
been committed by anyone.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
This is a high crime area, robberies that occur right there,
not in the area right there in that back block.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
What he seemed to be saying was this is the
price of living in Compton. Murders are tragic, but they happen,
and sometimes they're random. I thought about how hard Daisy's
mother and her friends had worked to get at ten
on this case to counter this idea that homicide and
Compton was normal, that it wasn't worth media attention or
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police resources. I thought about how the same narrative was
now being weaponized by the defense to help convince a
jury that Victor was innocent. The cross examinations were sometimes
brutal to watch, and not just the ones involving the
forensic specialists, I mean they were professionals who had taken
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the stand in lots of other murder trials. It was
their job to talk about their work, even if it
was gruesome. But it was the interrogation of Daisy's neighbors
that was really hard to stomach. The people who together
made up this portrait of Daisy's community. There was Jose Tayas,
the building manager, Juan de le O, Daisy's grandfather, and
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Jeffrey Wendy Veldbas's son. Like For example, when Jose took
the stand, AJ repeatedly asked him if he'd seen Daisy
and Victor having sex a blanket outside the apartment complex.
And it was this line of questioning. I think that
was meant to argue that the two of them were
in this loving, consensual relationship, basically that Victor had no
motive to kill Daisy. But each time AJ asked the question,
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Jose insisted that he didn't see any sexual relations between them.
He said, through an interpreter, I cannot say that I
didn't see that, and then AJ just kept asking. At
one point he even said, you know what a zipper
sounds like?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yes, I suppose I do, said Jose, all right, great,
did you hear zipper, Aj asked, maybe you know where
this is headed, and I'll just say that. The questioning
became more graphic and more upsetting from there. When one
took the stand, AJ pointed out that he wasn't wearing
his eyeglasses the night he saw this shadowy figure in
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the window of his apartment. He said there was no
way that one could be sure that it was Victor
he saw. At one point later on, Aj told the jury,
so you have mister Dello, I feel that point of course,
would you want mister McGoo in your case to make
an id if you didn't catch that. Victor's public defender
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referred to Daisy's grandfather as mister Magoo, you know, the
cartoon character with comically bad vision. Even Jeffrey, who was
fourteen at the time, was questioned about his eyesight, about
the fact that he'd walked past Daisy and Victor that
same night, but he couldn't make out their faces. He
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didn't stop to look at them, he didn't peer at
them from out the window, and when he was leader
shown the six pack, the defense attorney pointed out he
did not pick the photo of Victor, but Jeffrey kept
his focus he answered all the questions, and when he
didn't understand the questions, he simply said. So it was
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unusual to see a child testifying at a murder trial.
I mean, according to Lugo, it was almost unheard of
in Compton.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Nobody had their child testifying.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Nobody. Wendy told me that Jeffrey had insisted on it,
that he wasn't scared of retribution, that he knew it
was the right thing to do. But the most surprising
testimony it didn't come from Jeffrey. It didn't come from
anyone who lived at the apartment complex with Daisy, or
anyone who examined her body on a medical table. It
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came from someone who had only met her a couple
of times. And Victor well, she'd known him his whole life,
she'd given birth to him, and somewhat incredibly, she had
agreed to testify against.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Him next time.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
On my friend Daisy, I have compassion for the position
that she is in. That I am asking her to
testify against her son, and that's not an easy thing
to do. Think about, like, how terrible that must feel.
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My Friend Daisy is a production of London Audio with
support from Sony Music Entertainment. It's reported, written and executive
produced by me Jen Swan. I'm also your host. Our
executive producers for London Audio are Paris Hilton, Bruce Gersh,
Bruce Robertson and Joanna Studebaker. Our executive producer for Sony
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Music Entertainment is Jonathan Hirsch. Our associate producer.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Is z Colkin.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Production assistants and translations by Miguel Contreras, sound design, composing
and mixing by Hans Dale she Our fact checker is
Fendel Fulton. Our head of production is Sammy Allison and
our production manager is Tamika Balance Callosny Special thanks to
Steve Akerman, Emily Rossick and Jamie Myers at Sony, Ben
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Goldberg and Orley Greenberg at UTA, and Jen Ortiz at
the cut
It was a little before eleven am on July first,
twenty twenty one, a Thursday, right before July fourth weekend.
Everyone on the road seemed to be in a hurry,
trying to squeeze in one last thing before the holiday,
including Susie. She was running a work errand to the
post office when her cellphone rang. It was her cousin,
Mimi Garcia. Mimi had been managing the Justice for Daisy
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instagram account along with one of Daisy's friends. Together, they'd
been sifting through dms from people who claimed they'd spotted Victor.
They didn't want to overwhelm Susie or give her false hope,
so they only passed along the most promising leads. Susie
knew this, and now she was anxious to know why
Mimi was calling, but her cousin was insistent that she
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pulled over. After some back and forth, Susie agreed, and
that's when her cousin shared the news. Somebody had messaged
the Justice for Daisy instagram account, and this person said
that not only had he seen Victor, he knew him.
Actually he knew Billy. That's the name Victor was apparently
going by. They worked together at a bar in Mexico,
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and he had a video to prove it. Susie was confused.
Tons of people had reported seeing Victor around La so
how could he be in Mexico and why would he
be working at a bar. Susie wanted to see the video,
but there was a catch. The guy who offered it
wanted money. He said that Victor or Billy or whoever
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owed him money, and that if he got arrested, he
wouldn't get his money back, so he had to get
it somewhere else. Susie was skeptical. It was a huge
risk because what if the man never sent the video,
or what if he did and it turned out to
not be Victor in it. But her cousin had already
thought this through. She'd told the guy in her DMS
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that she needed to know for sure the video was legit,
and he came up with a solution. He said he'd
send her a snippet of the video, a sampling of
the product before she got it. It would disappear immediately
after she viewed it in her DMS, and if she
wanted to keep it, it would cost her. When the
video arrived in Mimi's DMS, she took a deep breath
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and clicked on the play icon. She had hoped to
take a screen recording, but she was so nervous that
her hands froze. Before the video ended, she realized she
had just enough time to take a screenshot, and that's
when she called Susie. She needed her to look at
the screenshot and tell her was it him. It's why
she was so insistent that Susie pulled over. Susie sat
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in her car waiting for her cousin's text to arrive.
When it did, she immediately opened it. The resolution wasn't great,
but the photo clearly showed a man sitting at a
high top table with at least one other person. There
was a bucket of beer and a few bottles on
the table. The man's elbow was propped up and he
was holding a cigarette between his fingers. He didn't have
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any of the distinctive features that were displayed on the
photos of Victor. For one thing, he didn't have dark hair.
It was bleached, or at least like the middle of
it was. He wore a long sleeve shirt so no
visible tattoos, and his face was turned to one side
and his hand was covering his ear. But Susie didn't
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need to rely on hair color, or tattoos or ear
piercings to know that it was Victor. She took one
look at the screenshot and she knew instantly it was him.
This man so casually smoking a cigarette at a bar.
This was the man who had murdered her daughter. I'm
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Jen Swan from London Audio iHeartRadio an executive producer, Paris Hilton.
This is my Friend Daisy, episode seven Karma. Seeing Victor
in that photo, Susie told me it did something to her.
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Those were the words that she used in our interview.
It did something to me. There was something about how
he looked in that image. He just looked so completely unbothered.
That just drove Susie crazy. Before seeing that screenshot, she
had imagined that maybe Victor had been hiding out somewhere,
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living in the shadows on the fringes. She had considered
that maybe Victor had made his way across the border.
But whatever she pictured, it was not this Victor in
a bar, out in the open, out of the shadows.
There was something else about it that really did not
sit right with Susie, and that was the type of
bar that Victor had apparently been recognized in.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's called Papa's and Beer. Maybe you've heard of it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It's not this like underground hole in the walls Eye Bar.
It's one of the most popular nightclubs in all of Baja,
a place so massive that it calls itself the West
coast largest beach club, and so touristy that it offers
its own shuttle service from San Diego. It was just
about the last place that Susie had expected Victor to
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show his face to her. The screenshot telegraphed an almost
incomprehensible message that Victor thought he was going to get
away with murder. I actually tracked down the guy who
sent this DM. I found his Instagram handle in the
screenshot that Susie had texted to me, the one that
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her cousin had texted to her. I had a phone
conversation with this guy over WhatsApp, and maybe they shouldn't
have surprised me, but he actually tried to make a
deal with me too. He didn't want to do the
interview unless he got paid for it. But just as
he'd eventually given in and sent the screenshot to Mimi,
he also ended up giving me the information that I
was looking for. He confirmed Susie and Mimi version of
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events with me. Anyway, Susie sent this screenshot to Detective
Luco right after Mimi had sent it to her. This
was the big tip they'd been waiting for, but when
she got Lugo on the line, he wasn't nearly as
energized about this tip as she was. Luco said he'd
already gotten a tip of his own, and the last
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thing he wanted was for Victor to catch wind of
it and make a run for it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Again.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Susie was told to wait, to calm down, to sit
back and let the detectives do their jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
She'd heard that before.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Earlier that morning, Detective Sanchez wasn't a meeting at the
homicide Bureau. It was a weekly meeting where he and
the other detectives gave status updates on their cases.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The phone at my desk rings, and I didn't want
to be rude. Somebody was talking, so I'd let to
go to voicemail and got a message. So after the
meeting I heard it. It was a lady's voice and says, hey,
I have some information on a flyer that you guys
put out yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Okay, I haven't been able to speak to this woman,
and I haven't heard this voicemail. Sancho said, it doesn't
exist anymore. He and his partner Lugo said all messages
get automatically deleted after thirty days.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I called the lady back. When I called the lady back,
the ring tone was odd. It was in a regular ringtone.
Was it more of a buzz sound? Al and I
know that when you call a foreign country, the ringtone
is a buzz Where's this person calling.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Me from Mexico? She was calling from Rosarito, Mexico. She
was an American living in San Diego and she was
visiting a friend at the bar where he worked.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Somehow they saw our flyer and recognize Victor Sosa as
one of the employees at that bar, that he had
been there for a period of time, and that she
last saw him. I think like the day prior said Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Sanchez wrote down the name and location of the bar,
and then he forwarded it to the US Marshalls. They
then sent it to the Rosarito Police department, and then
Sanchez sort of forgot about it because the next day
he was at an auto body shop with his daughter.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
When a cellphone ring Friday morning, which would have been
July second, probably ten ten eleven, am ish, I get
a phone call from our office. I want to transfer
a phone call to me some camadante from some police
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in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Sanchez was about to leave on a family vacation to Mexico,
of all places, and like most American workers on the
friday leading into a holiday weekend, his mind was elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I said, okay, just transferhim. I didn't know, I didn't
know who he was. I wasn't sure what he was
calling about. And he identifies himself has some commandanta for
the Rosa Rito Police Department. That's when I kind of clicked,
oh man, and he says, hey, are you looking for
Victor Sosa? Yeah, says I have him.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
The Rosa Rito Police Department had Victor Sosa.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Do you remember how you were feeling when you got
this phone call?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Kind of been like, holy crap.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Holy crap.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
The murder suspect that had been on the run for months,
the guy Daisy's family had been rallying the internet to
find the so called shadow, the Richard Ramirez look alike,
the guy who had been everywhere and nowhere at once,
he'd suddenly fallen right into Sanchez's lap.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's not the first time since I've been here that
I've either scheduled a vacation or I've had I could
drop a kid off at college out of state, that
I've gotten a call and said, hey, we arrested your guy.
You know, It's like, oh my god, now.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
What the commandante had Victor transported to the border. There,
he was turned over to US Customs and Border Protection.
They located the warrant that sheriffs had filed for his
arrest just four days earlier.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
That had to been probably in the afternoon, like two o'clock.
I got a call from the CBP officer said, hey,
we have Victor social and custody. I said, outstanding.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Sanchez arranged to have a detective with the Sheriff's Fugitive
Division go on a road trip to one of the
busiest border crossings in the world on one of the
busiest travel days of the year.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Remember this is fourth of July weekend, so anybody driving south,
I mean, what's travel time from here down? There was
probably two hours, which probably took them double that and
then back up.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It meant that Sanchez and his partner Lugo had some
time to prepare for their interrogation. They got suited up,
they reviewed the evidence they'd collected, the interviews they'd done,
and they drove over to the East LA Sheriff's station.
Sanchez was filled with anxious energy. He was trying to
psych himself up. He had to figure out what to
say and how to get a confession out of an
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alleged killer.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I remember getting ready to go try to interview. I'm thinking, Okay,
what am I going to ask him? Like, how am
I gonna How am I going to approach this guy
so that he could tell me what happened that night? Right?
And you kind of kind of pump yourself up, like, Okay,
am I gonna how am I going to approach him?
What's the angles I'm going to hit this guy with?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
How did you decide? What was your approach?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
So?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I didn't want to come in too strong, right, because
I didn't want him to shut down. A lot of
it was was determined on when my first vision of him, right,
because I'd seen some pictures of him. He looked obviously
he was a lot younger, like you know, he was
in his twenties early twenties or whatever it was back then.
But I didn't want to come too strong to get
him a shut down. I didn't want to come into
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week say where he would overrun the or overtake the interview.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But when Victor walked through the door of the Sheriff's station,
he didn't look like he was going to overtake anything.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
When I saw him, he just he seemed very when
he looked tired, like he'd been up all night or
something like that, but he looked he looked scared, right like.
We walked into the interview room and he was sitting
in the back of the room. So we walked into
one door right he was sitting, and the room's probably
half this size, and he just looked at us and
had that like, oh man, who are these guys? Right?
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You show up in a suit? Who are these guys
to talk to me?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Victor looked so terrified that Lugo and Sanchez decided they
needed to get him to relax.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
We asked one of the one of the station of
Texas there, Hey, can you grab this guy something to eat? Right,
because again he doesn't know who we are. We're trying
to gain some sort of confidence so he could open
up to us.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
They ended up getting a McDonald's. After that, Lugo and
Sanchez decided it was time to ease into the interview,
and there were so many questions to ask, questions like
what actually happened and the night he allegedly met up
with Daisy, why did he go to Mexico, how long
had he been there, and how did he end up
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working at a spring break style nightclub. Before the detectives
could question Victor, they had to read him what's known
as the miranda warning. It lets the person in custody
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know they have a Fifth Amendment right against self ascrimination,
they have a right not to answer questions, they have
a right to speak to lawyer, and anything they say
can be used against them in court. And that's when
the interview fell apart before it even started.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
He didn't understand what our attorney was. Now. I don't
know if he was playing me right. You know, when
you asked him, you have the right to an attorney,
you understand, well, what's an attorney? I thought he was
playing like, what are you talking about? You don't know
what attorney is? Right, So you could continue the interview,
but anything you any questions or any information you gather
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after that, you're not gonna be able to use because
defense attorney's going to throw that out, you know, based
off of Miranda. So it's just I don't want to
say it was odd and I don't know if maybe
that was he was planning all along on his trip
up here. Hey, if they asked me a questions, I'm
just going to play, you know, like I don't understand.
But it was it was kind of a downer when
he was like, I don't know what an attorney.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Is, all right, good, look, it was to Sanchez a
huge disappointment.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
The one guy that could tell me what happened, didn't
they Just that was that was a big lit down. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Victor's bail was set at two million dollars. The booking
record from that day states that he had no property
with him and no car. There's nothing listed in the
line for an emergency contact. This paperwork also includes a
physical description of him, including a description of one of
his tattoos, the word karma on his right shoulder. In
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the booking photo, his hair is bleached down the middle,
just like in that screenshot that Susie had sent to Lugo,
and where his gauges had once been were now just
a pair of stretched holes in his ear lobes. He
looked tired, defeated. It had been a long day and
an even longer four months on the run. The night
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that Victor was arrested, Susie went on Facebook and posted
a public statement, first in Spanish and then in English.
She wrote, February twenty third, my life was brutally destroyed
by the murder of my only daughter. The person responsible
was a coward who hid. In the post, Susie thanked
her friends, her cousin and her daughter's best friend. She
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thanked Lugo and Sanchez and all the people who called
and shared posts on Instagram and Facebook and ticked talk.
Thanks to all of you, she wrote, this bastard is
behind bars. The post included a photo of Daisy in
her prom dress, her hair glowing bright white. Susie signed off,
using a moniker she'd come to use again and again
on social media, Daisy's mom Forever nineteen.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Three days later, Daisy's friend.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Her name is Rebecca Flantez, she posted a duet with
her original TikTok, you know the one that began this
is my friend Daisy, and she used it to announce
the news he has been caught. But this wasn't just
a celebration post. It was yet another call to action.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
But now we need all the help we can get.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
We need all of you guys to meet up to
get our voices heard.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Location in the comments. The next day, Daisy's mother and
about a dozen of Daisy's friends gathered at the location
in the comments, the Compton Courthouse. It's this towering concrete
building and there's the big white sculpture in the shape
of a tent in the plaza outside it. Daisy's friends
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streamed the whole thing on the Justice for Daisy Instagram page.
It was July sixth, the day of Victor's arraignment.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
We're on live, we're on live, recording live.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
As comments trickled in on the live stream, Rebecca turned
the camera on herself and read them aloud.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
We're now waiting for the hearing. It should be anytime soon. Now,
did you guys see him? No, all of us are
actually gonna go in the courtroom and we're going to
basically see his face since he did what he did.
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I'm praying for gus. Thank you I mean, we're being
safe about it. We're being respectful. They totally we could
protest behind the lines that we're doing now following instructions,
but you know, we have to see the life. SI.
Remember my friend's name. Hello. Yes, thank you guys for
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following along. We'll keep you guys updated. Feel free you
guys have any questions. She'll keep you guys updated.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
At one point, there was this comment that came on
the live stream that really seemed to upset Rebecca. I
don't know exactly what it said, but based on her reaction,
I assume it was something nasty.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Like, have some common sense in you. We're obviously all her,
Why would you say that.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
When the hearing started, Victor was read his charges first
degree murder and personal use of a deadly weapon. The
murder charge alone carried a possible sentence of twenty five
years to life. Victor pleaded not guilty. Susie found it
deeply distressing. When I spoke to her a few months
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after that day, she told me that he would have
avoided so much heartache and so much headache if.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
He would have just pled guilty.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But all right, she said, I guess you just want
to make it this much harder on yourself. It also
meant that it would be that much harder on Susie.
It meant that this case was going to trial. When
the preliminary hearings started in early September, Daisy's mother and
her friends all wore white T shirts printed with a
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photo of Daisy on them as they stood outside the courthouse.
Susie gave an interview to the local ABC seven news station.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's a coward. He knows exactly what he did.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
He took a part of my soul, and I can
never get her back until I ring night with her again.
I smile, and I go to the notions of life,
but I always have the empty space in me always.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I looked up the case on the court's website and
started showing up to these hearings. And it was in
the Compton courthouse that I first introduced myself to Susie.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I told her I'd seen.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Her story on the local news and that I thought
there was more to it. I told her I wanted
to know more about her daughter, about the social media
campaign about the investigation, And soon after that was when
we met at the Mexican restaurant and she told me
everything from the beginning about her daughter, her daughter's sex boyfriend,
her daughter's incredible friends, and the way she was still struggling,
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especially now that she was bracing herself for the trial.
She was experiencing a new kind of anxiety and waiting,
waiting for the court system, which was moving even slower
than normal thanks to COVID. Victor was being held at
Men's Central Jail in downtown LA and anytime someone in
his housing area got sick, it meant he couldn't come
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to court, which meant that nobody could come to court.
So the dates kept getting pushed back. But even as
the judge and the lawyers met again and again to reschedule,
Daisy's mother and her friends kept showing up. They wanted
Victor to see their faces, to know that they were watching,
that he wasn't going to get away with it. It
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was strange because ever since Daisy's murder, her friends and
her family had been desperate for any scrap of information
about the investigation, and now they'd have to hear and
see everything that had been hidden from them, every horrifying detail,
every graphic description, crime scene photographs, police camera footage, autopsy
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illustrations in April of the following year, I returned to
the Compton Courthouse for the main event the trial. Susie
and her cousin and a handful of her daughter's friends
filled the seats in the gallery. Sanchez was there too.
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He sat next to the prosecutor. The bailiff walked Victor
into the courtroom and removed his handcuffs. His hair was
parted and jelled. The bleach had grown out. He stared
straight ahead, emotionless. Over the next couple of days, I
watched as a small army of government workers took the
stand one after the other. There was a DNA analyst,
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a forensic identification specialist, a corner criminalist, a medical examiner,
and they were mostly young women. I remember listening to
them and feeling totally overwhelmed by this degree of specificity.
They went into about the most atrocious things. I thought about,
how their jobs required them to react to violence, to
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study its aftermath, to examine its impacts on human skin
and bones and organs. They talked about how they swabbed
Deasy's body, put the cotton swabs in sterile tubes, retrieved
her tampon, placed her clothing in brown paper bags. A
blue zip, a putty, a black shirt, a bra, pants, socks, shoes.
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They talked about collecting items from around her body, a knife,
a pair of black glasses, a yellow and blue beanie,
a keychain with a set of keys on it. They
told the jury how they rolled up the rug Wendy's rug,
packaged it, took it back to a crime lab and
laid it out on butcher paper to dry, then booked
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it into evidence. Tested everything for blood for seamen for saliva,
found a DNA profile consistent with victors on the carpet,
the knife, the keychain, the tampon. It was hard to
argue with the evidence, but victor's public defender aj Bain
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found a way. Throughout the trial. He argued that investigators
relied too much on DNA. He argued that they'd introduced
errors into their work, that they used outdated software, that
they were sloppy with changing their gloves, clumsy with collecting evidence,
half hazard was storing it, and that the detectives were
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lazy that they failed to ask questions to find out
who the knife belonged to, who the keys belonged to.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Detective and do law detectives.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
They didn't show any of the events to any any
either for mister or miss Lowe, to the town's cases.
Yours is sosinstello host.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That these keys hit the store, is a snife belong
to someone.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
He argued that Victor had nothing to do with Daisy's staff,
that Daisy lived in an area where robberies were routine,
where prostitution was pervasive, and that her murder could have
been committed by anyone.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
This is a high crime area, robberies that occur right there,
not in the area right there in that back block.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
What he seemed to be saying was this is the
price of living in Compton. Murders are tragic, but they happen,
and sometimes they're random. I thought about how hard Daisy's
mother and her friends had worked to get at ten
on this case to counter this idea that homicide and
Compton was normal, that it wasn't worth media attention or
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police resources. I thought about how the same narrative was
now being weaponized by the defense to help convince a
jury that Victor was innocent. The cross examinations were sometimes
brutal to watch, and not just the ones involving the
forensic specialists, I mean they were professionals who had taken
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the stand in lots of other murder trials. It was
their job to talk about their work, even if it
was gruesome. But it was the interrogation of Daisy's neighbors
that was really hard to stomach. The people who together
made up this portrait of Daisy's community. There was Jose Tayas,
the building manager, Juan de le O, Daisy's grandfather, and
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Jeffrey Wendy Veldbas's son. Like For example, when Jose took
the stand, AJ repeatedly asked him if he'd seen Daisy
and Victor having sex a blanket outside the apartment complex.
And it was this line of questioning. I think that
was meant to argue that the two of them were
in this loving, consensual relationship, basically that Victor had no
motive to kill Daisy. But each time AJ asked the question,
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Jose insisted that he didn't see any sexual relations between them.
He said, through an interpreter, I cannot say that I
didn't see that, and then AJ just kept asking. At
one point he even said, you know what a zipper
sounds like?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yes, I suppose I do, said Jose, all right, great,
did you hear zipper, Aj asked, maybe you know where
this is headed, and I'll just say that. The questioning
became more graphic and more upsetting from there. When one
took the stand, AJ pointed out that he wasn't wearing
his eyeglasses the night he saw this shadowy figure in
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the window of his apartment. He said there was no
way that one could be sure that it was Victor
he saw. At one point later on, Aj told the jury,
so you have mister Dello, I feel that point of course,
would you want mister McGoo in your case to make
an id if you didn't catch that. Victor's public defender
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referred to Daisy's grandfather as mister Magoo, you know, the
cartoon character with comically bad vision. Even Jeffrey, who was
fourteen at the time, was questioned about his eyesight, about
the fact that he'd walked past Daisy and Victor that
same night, but he couldn't make out their faces. He
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didn't stop to look at them, he didn't peer at
them from out the window, and when he was leader
shown the six pack, the defense attorney pointed out he
did not pick the photo of Victor, but Jeffrey kept
his focus he answered all the questions, and when he
didn't understand the questions, he simply said. So it was
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unusual to see a child testifying at a murder trial.
I mean, according to Lugo, it was almost unheard of
in Compton.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Nobody had their child testifying.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Nobody. Wendy told me that Jeffrey had insisted on it,
that he wasn't scared of retribution, that he knew it
was the right thing to do. But the most surprising
testimony it didn't come from Jeffrey. It didn't come from
anyone who lived at the apartment complex with Daisy, or
anyone who examined her body on a medical table. It
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came from someone who had only met her a couple
of times. And Victor well, she'd known him his whole life,
she'd given birth to him, and somewhat incredibly, she had
agreed to testify against.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Him next time.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
On my friend Daisy, I have compassion for the position
that she is in. That I am asking her to
testify against her son, and that's not an easy thing
to do. Think about, like, how terrible that must feel.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks for listening to my
friend Daisy. If you are someone you love is experiencing abuse.
You are not alone. Help is available twenty four to seven.
Contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline for free confidential support.
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