September 21, 2022 • 37 mins
New York Attorney General Letitia James files a blatantly political, frivolous civil lawsuit against Trump. Buck says, "I think Letitia James wants to be AG-AG. Just to be clear." Clay's analysis: "As soon as I saw that this was civil and not criminal... I just immediately said this is a billion percent political designed to put Trump on the ballot in the midterms." Dems will stop at nothing to stop Trump from becoming president again. Will Merrick Garland bring criminal charges against Trump before the election, right after the election, or not at all? When will Trump announce he's running? C&B call him a "scorned man" with sights on Trump, who is the reason he's not on the Supreme Court. Are Democrats going to knock out Trump and get a potentially harder opponent to beat like DeSantis? Clay and Buck talk to an enthusiastic caller on their evolving Hunter Biden bet and ask for his input.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number one Clay Track
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you spending your Wednesday with us,
And I just want to dive right into it because
there's gonna be all sorts of craziness going around about
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this story today. In the last hour or so, New
York's Attorney general has announced that she is bringing civil
fraud lawsuits against Trump, members of his family, the Trump organization.
This is going to receive a lot of attention. The
timing on it is not an accident. Democrats are going
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to try to make the midterms a referendum on Donald Trump.
An abortion that is the entire race so far as
they are concerned. They don't want to talk about Joe
Biden's record, they don't want to talk about any of
the decisions they've made over the past couple of years.
It feels incredibly calculated, given that we already had the
Department of Justice FBI raid on Mara Lago. But what
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I want to say that is significant here it's a
two hundred and fifty million dollar I believe civil fraud lawsuit,
is that it is civil. This is ultimately just a
business dispute. It is one hundred percent political, but is
a desperate ploy to put Donald Trump on the ballot
in the mid terms. I voted for Trump, voted for Trump,
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A lot of you voted for Trump. I don't want
people to get distracted as we sit here forty eight
days from the official midterm election, as all of the
polls are breaking in Republican directions in every major race
all over the country, because inflation, the border, and crime
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are the top three issues pretty much everywhere. Buck you
said it, still think the Department of Justice may bring
charges against Trump even before the midterm election, but at
least for this a lot of people are dumb. Is
certainly in the media, they're not going to focus on it.
As soon as I saw that this was civil and
not criminal, meaning it's a monetary dispute, not some major
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threat to someone's freedom, I just immediately say this is
a billion percent political designed to put Trump on the
ballot in the midterms. But Letitia James is making a
calculated decision to use her office for political attacks, and
that's frankly what this is about. Today. How many lawsuits,
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criminal allegations, different charges of all kinds can they bring
against Donald Trump that are entirely frivolous, absurd, untrue, before
everyone just understands what's going on here, right, And I
think we're actually at that point, Clay. I think the
Democrats largely know that this is all just get him.
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You know, it's Laventi Barrier from the old Soviet secret police.
Show me the man, I'll show you the crime, right,
it's the the usage of the apparatus as a weapon
against your political opponents. You know. They're also talking now
about the media is giving coverage to a e. Gene
Carol I believes her name who brought the initial allegation
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or brought an allegation against sexual assault thing sexual assault
against Trump. She doesn't and I'm I'm being serious. She
doesn't remember what year it was, but she's pretty sure
that it happened. She's not totally sure where or how,
but she's pretty sure. She went on CNN, if you recall,
and it's actually quite a moment with Anderson Cooper to
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bring this allegation while Trump was still president, and they
effectively abandoned the whole thing because of what she said
during that interview, which I'm not even gonna say here
on the show because to quote it is so you know,
I don't want anywhere to cut the quote out and
say that I've said what she because what she said
was completely insane on that show. But they never stop, Clay,
I mean, the Libs will do anything to go after
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Trump and destroying And here's my thought process on this,
because people would rightly say, well, Buck, you've been a
little skeptical of them bringing charges against Trump, and then
you've been less skeptical. Yes, because I believe this is
all being calibrated to exactly what you started talking about,
exactly what you're starting out with analytically, which is this
is about the midterm election, clearly obviously, and they're trying
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to make it about Trump. But to your point about
it being a civil lawsuit, Yeah, this isn't going to
be enough. This is grandstanding. This is shifting the focus.
Will they as we get closer to the election, are
they willing to bring a criminal charge of any kind
from the DOJ against Donald Trump? He's not running. I
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have to remind everybody about this. Right we think of
him as, oh, well, he's going to be a presidential
candidate right now? He is just a former president. He
is a citizen. He is subject to all the usual
There's not even a guidance at the DOJ that would
prevent him officially from being charged in this election cycle.
I would think, right now, Claire, curious what you think
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on this, I would think, right now, they still don't
want to do that, because that's the nuclear option, right
that's once you've indicted Trump criminally. Now we know, okay,
it's you know, it's all hands on deck. They don't
care what the system does, they don't care what this
does in the country. But as we're getting closer to
your point about where the polls are breaking, they're desperate.
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These people are lunatics. And if they think that the
best option is to indict Trump right before the election,
I think I think they're willing to do it. I
think that it would they I think they will not
do it right before the election. I can respect the
argument because I do think they're crazy and delusional and
convinced that Donald Trump is Hitler. And if you were
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truly in your mind and convinced that Donald Trump is Hitler,
well why would you rely on any precedence at all?
You're staring into the face of here, can you make
the case to me and everyone obviously millions of people
listening across the country. Why won't they do it? Because
I think this is an interesting exercise. Well, so I
don't think they will do it because one, I think
it's actually bad politics. That's the only thing I would
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think would stop them. Yeah, So leaving aside the legality,
which I'll get to in a moment, but one, it's
bad politics because I think if they charged Trump directly
before the midterm elections, it's impossible to argue that it's
anything other than a political prosecution, even for people out
there who may hate Trump. The argument that you have
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to file charges now, we're forty eight days before the
midterm election. There's nothing that is such an exigent danger
that they would have to bring charges now as opposed
to on November tenth or November twelfth, a few days
after the election, Like there's no reason that has to happen.
So that's one, And I think it would blow up
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in their faces. And I think we would see a
lot of people say this is an actual direct attack
on democracy, And I think it would motivate republican and
Republican leaning independent voters to turn out in great numbers,
So I think it's bad politics. Two, if you really
want Trump, if you really want to nail him to
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the you know, nail him to the proverbial cross and
hold him up so everybody can see it. If you
are Marrick Garland, you need to make this non political.
I understand the point Buck that it is intensely political,
but he has to be able to go out in
front of the media and say, no one is above
the law. This is about justice in America. It's not
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about Donald Trump. And I think they need to do
that early in twenty three or run. And you think
that Hunter Biden because you still think that'll mean our bet.
But you may be right about this one. I think
Hunter Biden is the sacrificial lamb. Look, Buck, I'm pretty
good at understanding BS Bowyer arguments. You go to law school.
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There's so many people who walk around and they're like, Oh,
I really love the law. It's such a majestic thing.
And then you're like, yeah, then why are you taking
a job so that you sit in your office and
look at docs all day long? You like money, all right?
You like power? That is where you are going to
going to law school. But this move Merrick Garland is
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the quintessential one of the law guy, so that Hunter
gives him cover to charge Trump. The other issue, though,
becomes Latissa James office. He doesn't care how this looks.
In fact, she likes how it looks. I'm just I'm
just this is a little bit of Devil's advocacy, because
I have been very skeptical that they were going to
bring a criminal charge against Trump at any point, just
because the one thing that the reason that I think
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it's so hard, it's not even as much the layally
legal aspect of this as the what will the political
ramifications be? Right, It's it's like a political declaration of war.
What happens. Everyone's got a plantil, they get punched in
the face if they throw this punch. I think they
don't really know what comes next in terms of the
political ramifications of it. But what I'm thinking is, I mean,
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Letitia James, this could not be more obviously political. Right.
They're bringing some two hundred and fifty million dollar fraud suit.
It's a two hundred eighty page clay. They're doing it
a month from the election, effectively, whatever six weeks from
the election, so clearly they didn't care enough as the
Attorney General in the state of New York, Merrick Garland,
did this and set this up in the summer before
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an election. I mean, you can already argue that it
was intended to interfere at some level with the election.
And so I think what they're watching here is how
does this actually play in if you're right that that
their belief is that a prosecution Trump would mobilize and
would because there are a lot of people, Clay who
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are just like I can't they throw their hands up
at the end, like I can't handle this Trump stuff again, Yeah,
I hear, don't you talk to people that have that.
I can't get all that, And we can have a
big discussion about that, and I think we should today.
Let me just say this, the political calculus is different
for someone like Letitia James or the DA who is
down in Atlanta conducting state level investigations right in terms
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of their New York State ag She's going to be
able to be elected a g for the rest of
her career because people I think she wants to be
agg just to be clear, and that may well be true.
But for her individually the politics are very beneficial for
the prosecutor down in Atlanta. The politics may well be
very productive. What I'm talking about is the federal lawsuit
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being brought by the Attorney General of the United States,
the Department of Joe So why do you think Merrick
Garland couldn't Again, I'm not I don't pretend that I can.
I can predict the future here. Although they're not going
to They're not going to prosecute Hunter Biden. But why
why do you think the Merrick Garland argument wouldn't be
the following. Donald Trump is not above the law. He's
a former president, he is a citizen. These documents, this
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whole issue started to come to the four this year.
We're not going to delay it just because he's a person.
He is not running for office. He has not announced
his candidacy. In fact, you could argue, again I'm just
playing it all out here, that waiting to indict him
after he's announced he's running for president is clear election interference.
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To indict him before he announces, Merrick Garland could make
the case, not that he I don't even think he
really cares. I think we gave these people too much
credit for their honor and everything else. But a side note,
he'd say, look, this is the normal pace of a
prosecution of someone who is now a private citizen who
had classified information and was you know, what's the word,
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I'm looking what was he doing? Obstructing? Thank you? Obstructing justice.
I'm just I'm thinking that it's possible, because Clay, this
age thing today is completely insane, right, I mean, we
just didn't think some audio for you because we got
it added now this just I mean had the press conference.
But I believe that when you are a like this
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guy wanted to be on the Supreme Court, and when
you are on that level, you consider yourself to be
a steward of precedent and the law. I'm just telling
you how he thinks. And the only way that I
can see that he can convince himself that this is
not political in nature is if he also charges Hunter
Biden and says no one is above the law. But
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but I mean to your point about how he want
to be on the Supreme Court, why isn't he on
the Supreme Court? I get it, and that he's been
Donald Trump, I think he is a scorned man. I
think he is deeply internally forever bitter, and the individual
that he blames most directly is the person who is
now in the DOJ's sites. Yeah, I get it, I
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understand the argument. I do not, And to your point,
we need to have a longer conversation on this. This
is why to me, the moment mar Lago got rated.
If you remember, like the first few days we discussed it,
I said, if I were advising Trump, I can see
an argument that he should go ahead and announce that
he's running for president, because if he announces he's running
for president, then if he's charged with a crime, can argue, right, Hey,
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this is political in nature, and they're trying to come
after me because they don't want me to be the
next president of the United States, Which is why I
think we may have a rush for both Trump to
announce right after the midterms and also for their two
p potential charges brought right after the min I also
just want to throw this out there too. If they
don't charge Trump, and let's just say that just this
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lingers on we get into and he announces he is
going to pound that drum on. They came after me
and mar Lago and it was all a sham and
by the way, which it was, but put that aside.
It was all a fraud. It was all political, and
it's gonna look very obvious to people that it was
so this anyway, there's some fashionating calculations here. Yeah. Well,
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we also promised for this audience we will stay focused
in on what was our montre yesterday. Clay immigration, crime,
the economy, immigration crime, the accomlation, all all of those
things should be the focus. But I do want you
all out there listening to have talking points because there
is going to be a frenzy and the most important thing.
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My first thought when I saw this story break is
it civil or criminal? When I saw it was civil,
and again that means it's a monetary dispute in this case,
not a criminal dispute. I immediately said, this is a
nothing burger. It's gonna get a lot of attention, but
it's really just a dispute over money that will drag
on for years and probably not have any serious ramifications.
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is this is a civil case to your point, but
she's saying there were crimes on earth here too. Yeah.
If there were, though, why why didn't she bring criminal charge? Ah? Yes, indeed,
But well she couldn't bring the federal ones. Obviously she
couldn't bring the federal ones. But I'm talking about for
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in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Okay, we just played
you audio as we finished the last segment of Letitia James,
new York Attorney General, saying that she has forwarded evidence
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of crimes to Department of Justice officials and to the
Eastern District of New York. I believe irs you have it, Buck,
if she had you know that she hates Donald Trump
more than anything. You know that she has said that
essentially she's going to get Trump politically she benefits. This
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could help her potentially take over one day after Kathy Hokel,
Remember she wanted to run. I think she even officially
announced she was run for governor, and then they couldn't
raise enough money, so she decided not to run. So,
if she really had the goods on criminal violations by
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Donald Trump, why would she only charge him with civil violations? Again,
state law, not federal law. Because she is a state prosecutor,
she doesn't get to make the decision on federal criminal violations.
But if she really had the goods, certainly there is
a state law that Trump could be charged under of
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a criminal statute nature. Instead, she only charges him with
civil violations monetary penalties. Essentially, she is seeking and then
makes a big show of saying, I'm giving the rest
of this evidence to others. She is politically ambitious, She
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wants to be governor one day, she may want to
be the Attorney general of the United States. Why wouldn't
she bring criminal charges if she had evidence of criminal
behavior of Donald Trump, do it on a state level,
and then say, there are also federal charges here I
believe could be brought as well, and I forwarded all
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that information to the federal government. My answer would be
buck because she doesn't actually have the goods that there
are criminal violations here. Well, she also doesn't want to lose,
and to lose in a Remember, in a civil situation,
the standard of proof is very different, very very different.
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Who don't know civil lawsuit preponderance of the evidence that
is fifty percent plus a feather for criminal, it's beyond
a reasonable doubt. But I would argue, even if she
lost a criminal proceeding buck, she's still the person who
had the stones to bring criminal So I think, more
than anything else, it's this is she's hoping to hand
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it off to the Feds and to Merrick Garland specifically,
or the Southern District of New York. Look, it depends.
There are so many right now, or rather this week,
I should say, But in the last twenty four hours
there were Trump lawyers in federal court in Brooklyn dealing
with the special Master situation, the eleven thousand seased documents.
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The process is the punishment. Everyone sees this. They are
mobilizing every aspect of the legal apparatus that they can.
The libs are doing whatever they can to try to
bring just legal entanglements. And here's part of the problem
is that this just also creates This sends a message,
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I think, to people who might want to get involved
in the next Trump campaign and possible amistration. This is
we will the libs even if they don't criminally charge Trump.
The message they have send here is we will hound
you and your family. Remember Trump's kids are involved in
this too. You will hound you and your family for
the rest of your days. The Libs will bring frivolous lawsuits.
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They will bring the most bogus charges, whatever they can
do to just punish you and ruin your life for
no actual wrongdoing they could speak of. So that sends
a message. Russia collusion, emoluments clause stuff, the two impeachments,
now the Marlago documents, now the civil case from the AG.
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I mean, Clay, this is the thing we're trying to
get in the heads of crazy people here. They're nuts,
they can't see what's going on. They never actually get him,
but they keep bringing more and more criminal charges, more
criminal or more court cases, I should say, against him.
I think at some point they've boxed. This is why
I keep thinking the desperation move becomes if they don't
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charge him, they actually help him become president. I think
that's where the mentality switches happening. Well, I think they've
guaranteed that he's gonna run. The way to make Trump
not run was to be like, oh, you know what,
he was a pretty good president, but you know, we're
going to do presidents now. We don't really have to
talk about him. I thought, I thought Biden one with
the most votes ever, and it was such a clean
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election and it was perfect, and yet they seem terrified
of doing the redo here with a second round. That's
I do think that's kind of interesting, Like, shouldn't they
be the lib should be rolling out the red carpet
for defe be such a bad candidate they should want
to run against him. Here's the other thing I would say, Buck,
I do think Republicans out there on some level are
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going to have to make a decision in twenty three
as we run up towards the primary season to get
ready for twenty four. And I think that decision is
going to be and I think there's a lot of
you out there rationally kind of sitting around thinking about it.
Is Hey, as great as Trump was, and as great
as he is, he's got one term that he can serve.
(24:55):
Right Trump wins in twenty twenty four, he's got to
be gone by twenty eight, that's a reality. Are there
other candidates that Republican primary voters might consider? And the
reason why I bring this up is some of those
guys could survey years and so I guess my my
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biggest thought in terms of Democrat calculation here is the
Republican bench of potential, real, legitimate, big time contenders is
way deeper to me than the Democrat benches. Right, buck
you go? But does it even matter when Joe Biden
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was you know what I'm saying, like, like we're running
against I get put in the machine. But I would
argue that there are some candidates out there that could
be better, uh candidates and even presidents than Trump, like right,
Rhonda Santis, Ted Cruz, and I'm just naming names, Nicky Haley,
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Tim Scott who carried away? Are you saying that you
think they could be or that the voters may decide
that they voters may decide that they could be. I
mean to me, the thing is Democrats are trying to
knock out Trump, but the reality is Republican voters are
going to get to make that decision. Right. So the
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question that I think in the political calculus is out
here is if they do bring charges against Trump. I
mean criminal charges, not civil charges. Its civil charges. This
is all just a sideshow. Whatever you and I can
get sued, hopefully, let's note, but you can get You
can sue someone for anything at any point in time
in this country. So the idea that you have a
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civil lawsuit pending against you is and then this is
the former lawyer in me speaking, or former full time
lawyer in me speaking, It's just not that big of
a deal. So civil lawsuits to me are not significant.
If there are criminal charges brought sometime against Trump, then
the police calculus becomes far more interesting to me in
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terms of what primary voters would say as to whether
that makes them more or less likely to want to
support Trump. And I don't claim to know the US,
but you still very strongly believe in your Trump. And
Hunter Trump gets prosecuted and Hunter Biden gets prosecuted. The
second part of this, well, we have a bet audit.
But the first part of this, I'm with me on
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the Trump gets prosecuted. So I'm feeling like, well, I
just keep going through the iterations in my head. And
then there's also the frustration of the fact that they
benefit from this. No matter what it's, it's a little
bit like you're going through an IRS audit. You know
who loses you? You know who doesn't really care one
way or the other. The government, the guys that are
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auditing you get paid. They either get their money or
they look like they're busy. And it doesn't matter the
fact that we're even here. Having to go through the
possible iterations of a prosecution of the likeliest X, not
the only one, but likeliest next Republican presidential contender, just
goes to show you that they're forcing us a little
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bit onto defense. I mean, it is also just an
interesting intellectual exercise to think about how crazy these libs are.
But we're not talking about the border inflation crime. We're
not talking about But I mean when I say we're not,
we will at a moment, and we're going to talk
about the what is it seventy five basis points that
they're expected to raise. Just later at two o'clock Eastern
were expected to see a seventy five point basis rise.
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I mean, I think anybody honestly play it was almost
like invoking the mercy rule. I remember I used to
play whiffleball, right, and there'll be the mercy rule, because
we play whiffleball a lot. If they like one kid
who's really good at whiffleball, and all of a sudden
the score gets into double digits and all the other
kids are like, he hits too hard. And watching Trump,
I'm sorry, watching Biden up there at the UN and
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the UN apparently only exists so world leaders can whine
about conflicts that the UN was unable will to prevent,
like this is what does like what do you what
is the purpose of this thing? But Biden's up there,
He's doing his shouty kind of grimacing, squinty eyed thing,
and then they cut to Letitia James, you know, with
Trump announcing the civil suit. I think it was the
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mercy rule because Biden up there the whole thing. I'm
just like, what is this old man shouting about? Like
what is this even supposed to be at this point? Yeah,
And if we go to break here, I would just
ask everybody out there and think about this. And we
got a lot of fun stuff to still talk about.
We got some incredible audio clips. Our friends at the
View are done with their summer recess. Us both think
about what a great show, what a great guest pairing.
(29:37):
That would be we'd have so much fun. Those ladies
would be so charmed by us. It's amazing how stupid
that show is. They were on summer break and they've
immediately come back. Plus I think we tease that we
might talk about this yesterday, but Don Lemon decided to
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Good times. Michael in California has an important announcement. Clay,
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what's up man? Where's that? Where's that dinner? For Bluck? Well,
I mean Buck, This is an intriguing position now on
our bet because no work, no, no, no no, but you
now agree, you now agree with me that Trump's gonna
be charged. No hold on, Michael, remembers the bet is
about Hunter Biden being charged, which we talked about in January. Okay,
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so it's now September, so I understand I still think
Hunter is going to be charged. Okay, so we had
a timeline, so we can we go double or nothing
into twenty three one Hunter? Who let it wait? So
double or nothing if Trump and Hunter? If Trump and
Hunter get invited, Trump, No, just a Hunter. But I
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think I still think Trump, and I think you agree
with me on Trump right like, if you had to
choose right now, you think I wouldn't bet. I wouldn't
bet against Trump being charged right now, So we are
now in agreement on that. I'm saying just double or
nothing on Hunter. But giving me the twenty twenty three Michael,
what do you think should I should I ease his
pain here at this double or nothing? Or should I
just start sharpening the knives for the filet Mignon? What
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do you think I sharpened the knives? No? No, double
or nothing. I mean, here's here's my only thought. Michael's
a smart man, he knows well. Thank you for the call. Michael.
By the way, here, I think that I think our
our audience out here Buck what if you have a
fabulous steak dinner and then Hunter gets charged with a
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gets charged with a crime just based on the time.
This would feel like a bit of a bit of achieving.
I would see, you know, the bed is the bed.
I mean, I gave you till December to be fair.
He could get charged. He could get in November December
time frame, in which case, you know, obviously I'm gonna
be on the wrong side of this one. I'm gonna
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think about this this double or nothing to twenty three.
I still believe that a sitting United States president, his party,
his appointee. Now, I would say that if they if
they had a special counsel. Which did you see this?
By the way, I was like, thirty three Republican senators
think there should be a Hunter Biden special counsel about
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the other ones? Yeah, I don't understand how that fifty
did not agree that the special who Yeah, the seventeen
who voted against that, I don't know how that's possible.
I mean, like, this is the most honest legal analysts
I know all admit that if there was ever a
case for a special counsel, it is the influence peddling
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and federal crimes of the sitting president's son. And frankly,
it's not only for Hunter Biden. I'm still in complete
disbelief that Merrick Garland is allowed to head up an
investigation of Donald Trump. Like, this is also what the
Independent Council Statute was designed for. Merrick Garland buck is
leading an investigation of his boss's chief political ros. This
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is what they always do. I get always they don't
recuse themselves. Yeah, like, oh, but people will say, I
mean things about how we have no ethics. They're like,
deal with it. They're like take it. We're not gonna
they don't care our side. We always have Republicans who
are like, what about our principles? Like what about our principles?
We're about to be overrun and they're gonna start slaughtering
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the survivors of the battle with bayonets afterwards, Like what
do you mean our principles? This is always how it goes.
They keep the power, they don't want to give it up,
and we sit around being like, well, well, you know,
I don't know what would Edmund Burke say about this one.
It's like, oh, I just I can't believe that. I
feel like I'm the only person that has even been
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talking about the fact that this is totally it's not
even just impropriety, Buck, the appearance of impropriety. How can
there not be the appearance of impropriety when the chief
political rival of of I can explain this for everybody,
and everybody will know exactly what I'm talking about. They're
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gonna go, oh, yep, that's that's right. The same mentality
that allows Merrick Garland to not, you know, recuse himself
or to or to be in charge of this investigation
and not feel badly about it is the Martha's Vineyard
libs who are patting themselves on the back publicly for
having migrants on their island for forty four hours and
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how well they did. But an easy analogy from the
world of sports, Buck is, would the Yankees be able
to investigate the Red Sox for alleged wrong doing? Would
Ohio State be able to investigate Michigan? Would Alabama be
able to investigate Auburn. This idea that you could have
your chief rival with the opportunity to take you out
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conduct an investigation is just pure madness. But I do
think of all the craziness that's going on right now,
the most significant thing to come out of Letitia James's
announcement here is she didn't have the goods. She didn't
have the goods or the stones forty eight days before
the election to actually charge, despite a multi year investigation,
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Donald Trump with any criminal violation. Now, she put the
onus on others to do it, but she didn't have
the stones to do it herself. I think that's pretty
significant here. We're gonna talk to you in a few
minutes about what happens when somebody who actually knows quite
a bit of history talks about requests for reparations. Plus
also we'll talk about some transgender issues. That's all coming up.
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Sleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number one Clay Track
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you spending your Wednesday with us,
And I just want to dive right into it because
there's gonna be all sorts of craziness going around about
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this story today. In the last hour or so, New
York's Attorney general has announced that she is bringing civil
fraud lawsuits against Trump, members of his family, the Trump organization.
This is going to receive a lot of attention. The
timing on it is not an accident. Democrats are going
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to try to make the midterms a referendum on Donald Trump.
An abortion that is the entire race so far as
they are concerned. They don't want to talk about Joe
Biden's record, they don't want to talk about any of
the decisions they've made over the past couple of years.
It feels incredibly calculated, given that we already had the
Department of Justice FBI raid on Mara Lago. But what
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I want to say that is significant here it's a
two hundred and fifty million dollar I believe civil fraud lawsuit,
is that it is civil. This is ultimately just a
business dispute. It is one hundred percent political, but is
a desperate ploy to put Donald Trump on the ballot
in the mid terms. I voted for Trump, voted for Trump,
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A lot of you voted for Trump. I don't want
people to get distracted as we sit here forty eight
days from the official midterm election, as all of the
polls are breaking in Republican directions in every major race
all over the country, because inflation, the border, and crime
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are the top three issues pretty much everywhere. Buck you
said it, still think the Department of Justice may bring
charges against Trump even before the midterm election, but at
least for this a lot of people are dumb. Is
certainly in the media, they're not going to focus on it.
As soon as I saw that this was civil and
not criminal, meaning it's a monetary dispute, not some major
(02:19):
threat to someone's freedom, I just immediately say this is
a billion percent political designed to put Trump on the
ballot in the midterms. But Letitia James is making a
calculated decision to use her office for political attacks, and
that's frankly what this is about. Today. How many lawsuits,
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criminal allegations, different charges of all kinds can they bring
against Donald Trump that are entirely frivolous, absurd, untrue, before
everyone just understands what's going on here, right, And I
think we're actually at that point, Clay. I think the
Democrats largely know that this is all just get him.
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You know, it's Laventi Barrier from the old Soviet secret police.
Show me the man, I'll show you the crime, right,
it's the the usage of the apparatus as a weapon
against your political opponents. You know. They're also talking now
about the media is giving coverage to a e. Gene
Carol I believes her name who brought the initial allegation
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or brought an allegation against sexual assault thing sexual assault
against Trump. She doesn't and I'm I'm being serious. She
doesn't remember what year it was, but she's pretty sure
that it happened. She's not totally sure where or how,
but she's pretty sure. She went on CNN, if you recall,
and it's actually quite a moment with Anderson Cooper to
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bring this allegation while Trump was still president, and they
effectively abandoned the whole thing because of what she said
during that interview, which I'm not even gonna say here
on the show because to quote it is so you know,
I don't want anywhere to cut the quote out and
say that I've said what she because what she said
was completely insane on that show. But they never stop, Clay,
I mean, the Libs will do anything to go after
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Trump and destroying And here's my thought process on this,
because people would rightly say, well, Buck, you've been a
little skeptical of them bringing charges against Trump, and then
you've been less skeptical. Yes, because I believe this is
all being calibrated to exactly what you started talking about,
exactly what you're starting out with analytically, which is this
is about the midterm election, clearly obviously, and they're trying
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to make it about Trump. But to your point about
it being a civil lawsuit, Yeah, this isn't going to
be enough. This is grandstanding. This is shifting the focus.
Will they as we get closer to the election, are
they willing to bring a criminal charge of any kind
from the DOJ against Donald Trump? He's not running. I
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have to remind everybody about this. Right we think of
him as, oh, well, he's going to be a presidential
candidate right now? He is just a former president. He
is a citizen. He is subject to all the usual
There's not even a guidance at the DOJ that would
prevent him officially from being charged in this election cycle.
I would think, right now, Claire, curious what you think
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on this, I would think, right now, they still don't
want to do that, because that's the nuclear option, right
that's once you've indicted Trump criminally. Now we know, okay,
it's you know, it's all hands on deck. They don't
care what the system does, they don't care what this
does in the country. But as we're getting closer to
your point about where the polls are breaking, they're desperate.
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These people are lunatics. And if they think that the
best option is to indict Trump right before the election,
I think I think they're willing to do it. I
think that it would they I think they will not
do it right before the election. I can respect the
argument because I do think they're crazy and delusional and
convinced that Donald Trump is Hitler. And if you were
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truly in your mind and convinced that Donald Trump is Hitler,
well why would you rely on any precedence at all?
You're staring into the face of here, can you make
the case to me and everyone obviously millions of people
listening across the country. Why won't they do it? Because
I think this is an interesting exercise. Well, so I
don't think they will do it because one, I think
it's actually bad politics. That's the only thing I would
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think would stop them. Yeah, So leaving aside the legality,
which I'll get to in a moment, but one, it's
bad politics because I think if they charged Trump directly
before the midterm elections, it's impossible to argue that it's
anything other than a political prosecution, even for people out
there who may hate Trump. The argument that you have
(06:42):
to file charges now, we're forty eight days before the
midterm election. There's nothing that is such an exigent danger
that they would have to bring charges now as opposed
to on November tenth or November twelfth, a few days
after the election, Like there's no reason that has to happen.
So that's one, And I think it would blow up
(07:03):
in their faces. And I think we would see a
lot of people say this is an actual direct attack
on democracy, And I think it would motivate republican and
Republican leaning independent voters to turn out in great numbers,
So I think it's bad politics. Two, if you really
want Trump, if you really want to nail him to
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the you know, nail him to the proverbial cross and
hold him up so everybody can see it. If you
are Marrick Garland, you need to make this non political.
I understand the point Buck that it is intensely political,
but he has to be able to go out in
front of the media and say, no one is above
the law. This is about justice in America. It's not
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about Donald Trump. And I think they need to do
that early in twenty three or run. And you think
that Hunter Biden because you still think that'll mean our bet.
But you may be right about this one. I think
Hunter Biden is the sacrificial lamb. Look, Buck, I'm pretty
good at understanding BS Bowyer arguments. You go to law school.
(08:13):
There's so many people who walk around and they're like, Oh,
I really love the law. It's such a majestic thing.
And then you're like, yeah, then why are you taking
a job so that you sit in your office and
look at docs all day long? You like money, all right?
You like power? That is where you are going to
going to law school. But this move Merrick Garland is
(08:37):
the quintessential one of the law guy, so that Hunter
gives him cover to charge Trump. The other issue, though,
becomes Latissa James office. He doesn't care how this looks.
In fact, she likes how it looks. I'm just I'm
just this is a little bit of Devil's advocacy, because
I have been very skeptical that they were going to
bring a criminal charge against Trump at any point, just
because the one thing that the reason that I think
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it's so hard, it's not even as much the layally
legal aspect of this as the what will the political
ramifications be? Right, It's it's like a political declaration of war.
What happens. Everyone's got a plantil, they get punched in
the face if they throw this punch. I think they
don't really know what comes next in terms of the
political ramifications of it. But what I'm thinking is, I mean,
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Letitia James, this could not be more obviously political. Right.
They're bringing some two hundred and fifty million dollar fraud suit.
It's a two hundred eighty page clay. They're doing it
a month from the election, effectively, whatever six weeks from
the election, so clearly they didn't care enough as the
Attorney General in the state of New York, Merrick Garland,
did this and set this up in the summer before
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an election. I mean, you can already argue that it
was intended to interfere at some level with the election.
And so I think what they're watching here is how
does this actually play in if you're right that that
their belief is that a prosecution Trump would mobilize and
would because there are a lot of people, Clay who
(10:05):
are just like I can't they throw their hands up
at the end, like I can't handle this Trump stuff again, Yeah,
I hear, don't you talk to people that have that.
I can't get all that, And we can have a
big discussion about that, and I think we should today.
Let me just say this, the political calculus is different
for someone like Letitia James or the DA who is
down in Atlanta conducting state level investigations right in terms
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of their New York State ag She's going to be
able to be elected a g for the rest of
her career because people I think she wants to be
agg just to be clear, and that may well be true.
But for her individually the politics are very beneficial for
the prosecutor down in Atlanta. The politics may well be
very productive. What I'm talking about is the federal lawsuit
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being brought by the Attorney General of the United States,
the Department of Joe So why do you think Merrick
Garland couldn't Again, I'm not I don't pretend that I can.
I can predict the future here. Although they're not going
to They're not going to prosecute Hunter Biden. But why
why do you think the Merrick Garland argument wouldn't be
the following. Donald Trump is not above the law. He's
a former president, he is a citizen. These documents, this
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whole issue started to come to the four this year.
We're not going to delay it just because he's a person.
He is not running for office. He has not announced
his candidacy. In fact, you could argue, again I'm just
playing it all out here, that waiting to indict him
after he's announced he's running for president is clear election interference.
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To indict him before he announces, Merrick Garland could make
the case, not that he I don't even think he
really cares. I think we gave these people too much
credit for their honor and everything else. But a side note,
he'd say, look, this is the normal pace of a
prosecution of someone who is now a private citizen who
had classified information and was you know, what's the word,
(11:59):
I'm looking what was he doing? Obstructing? Thank you? Obstructing justice.
I'm just I'm thinking that it's possible, because Clay, this
age thing today is completely insane, right, I mean, we
just didn't think some audio for you because we got
it added now this just I mean had the press conference.
But I believe that when you are a like this
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guy wanted to be on the Supreme Court, and when
you are on that level, you consider yourself to be
a steward of precedent and the law. I'm just telling
you how he thinks. And the only way that I
can see that he can convince himself that this is
not political in nature is if he also charges Hunter
Biden and says no one is above the law. But
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but I mean to your point about how he want
to be on the Supreme Court, why isn't he on
the Supreme Court? I get it, and that he's been
Donald Trump, I think he is a scorned man. I
think he is deeply internally forever bitter, and the individual
that he blames most directly is the person who is
now in the DOJ's sites. Yeah, I get it, I
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understand the argument. I do not, And to your point,
we need to have a longer conversation on this. This
is why to me, the moment mar Lago got rated.
If you remember, like the first few days we discussed it,
I said, if I were advising Trump, I can see
an argument that he should go ahead and announce that
he's running for president, because if he announces he's running
for president, then if he's charged with a crime, can argue, right, Hey,
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this is political in nature, and they're trying to come
after me because they don't want me to be the
next president of the United States, Which is why I
think we may have a rush for both Trump to
announce right after the midterms and also for their two
p potential charges brought right after the min I also
just want to throw this out there too. If they
don't charge Trump, and let's just say that just this
(13:52):
lingers on we get into and he announces he is
going to pound that drum on. They came after me
and mar Lago and it was all a sham and
by the way, which it was, but put that aside.
It was all a fraud. It was all political, and
it's gonna look very obvious to people that it was
so this anyway, there's some fashionating calculations here. Yeah. Well,
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we also promised for this audience we will stay focused
in on what was our montre yesterday. Clay immigration, crime,
the economy, immigration crime, the accomlation, all all of those
things should be the focus. But I do want you
all out there listening to have talking points because there
is going to be a frenzy and the most important thing.
(14:33):
My first thought when I saw this story break is
it civil or criminal? When I saw it was civil,
and again that means it's a monetary dispute in this case,
not a criminal dispute. I immediately said, this is a
nothing burger. It's gonna get a lot of attention, but
it's really just a dispute over money that will drag
on for years and probably not have any serious ramifications.
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illegality under that section of Law sixty three twelve. We
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(17:15):
the Attorney General of New York State. Leticia James saying, Clay,
she's using all those terms you never want to hear
if you're a possible defendant, fraud, conspiracy, criminal referral. Now
maybe it's all grandstanding, but I don't think the referral
part is. I think she's at least going to push
it to the Southern District. And she's saying it's this
(17:37):
is this is a civil case to your point, but
she's saying there were crimes on earth here too. Yeah.
If there were, though, why why didn't she bring criminal charge? Ah? Yes, indeed,
But well she couldn't bring the federal ones. Obviously she
couldn't bring the federal ones. But I'm talking about for
state violations of law. Why not bring those herself as
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in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Okay, we just played
you audio as we finished the last segment of Letitia James,
new York Attorney General, saying that she has forwarded evidence
(19:28):
of crimes to Department of Justice officials and to the
Eastern District of New York. I believe irs you have it, Buck,
if she had you know that she hates Donald Trump
more than anything. You know that she has said that
essentially she's going to get Trump politically she benefits. This
(19:51):
could help her potentially take over one day after Kathy Hokel,
Remember she wanted to run. I think she even officially
announced she was run for governor, and then they couldn't
raise enough money, so she decided not to run. So,
if she really had the goods on criminal violations by
(20:12):
Donald Trump, why would she only charge him with civil violations? Again,
state law, not federal law. Because she is a state prosecutor,
she doesn't get to make the decision on federal criminal violations.
But if she really had the goods, certainly there is
a state law that Trump could be charged under of
(20:33):
a criminal statute nature. Instead, she only charges him with
civil violations monetary penalties. Essentially, she is seeking and then
makes a big show of saying, I'm giving the rest
of this evidence to others. She is politically ambitious, She
(20:54):
wants to be governor one day, she may want to
be the Attorney general of the United States. Why wouldn't
she bring criminal charges if she had evidence of criminal
behavior of Donald Trump, do it on a state level,
and then say, there are also federal charges here I
believe could be brought as well, and I forwarded all
(21:14):
that information to the federal government. My answer would be
buck because she doesn't actually have the goods that there
are criminal violations here. Well, she also doesn't want to lose,
and to lose in a Remember, in a civil situation,
the standard of proof is very different, very very different.
(21:37):
Who don't know civil lawsuit preponderance of the evidence that
is fifty percent plus a feather for criminal, it's beyond
a reasonable doubt. But I would argue, even if she
lost a criminal proceeding buck, she's still the person who
had the stones to bring criminal So I think, more
than anything else, it's this is she's hoping to hand
(21:58):
it off to the Feds and to Merrick Garland specifically,
or the Southern District of New York. Look, it depends.
There are so many right now, or rather this week,
I should say, But in the last twenty four hours
there were Trump lawyers in federal court in Brooklyn dealing
with the special Master situation, the eleven thousand seased documents.
(22:18):
The process is the punishment. Everyone sees this. They are
mobilizing every aspect of the legal apparatus that they can.
The libs are doing whatever they can to try to
bring just legal entanglements. And here's part of the problem
is that this just also creates This sends a message,
(22:41):
I think, to people who might want to get involved
in the next Trump campaign and possible amistration. This is
we will the libs even if they don't criminally charge Trump.
The message they have send here is we will hound
you and your family. Remember Trump's kids are involved in
this too. You will hound you and your family for
the rest of your days. The Libs will bring frivolous lawsuits.
(23:04):
They will bring the most bogus charges, whatever they can
do to just punish you and ruin your life for
no actual wrongdoing they could speak of. So that sends
a message. Russia collusion, emoluments clause stuff, the two impeachments,
now the Marlago documents, now the civil case from the AG.
(23:25):
I mean, Clay, this is the thing we're trying to
get in the heads of crazy people here. They're nuts,
they can't see what's going on. They never actually get him,
but they keep bringing more and more criminal charges, more
criminal or more court cases, I should say, against him.
I think at some point they've boxed. This is why
I keep thinking the desperation move becomes if they don't
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charge him, they actually help him become president. I think
that's where the mentality switches happening. Well, I think they've
guaranteed that he's gonna run. The way to make Trump
not run was to be like, oh, you know what,
he was a pretty good president, but you know, we're
going to do presidents now. We don't really have to
talk about him. I thought, I thought Biden one with
the most votes ever, and it was such a clean
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election and it was perfect, and yet they seem terrified
of doing the redo here with a second round. That's
I do think that's kind of interesting, Like, shouldn't they
be the lib should be rolling out the red carpet
for defe be such a bad candidate they should want
to run against him. Here's the other thing I would say, Buck,
I do think Republicans out there on some level are
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going to have to make a decision in twenty three
as we run up towards the primary season to get
ready for twenty four. And I think that decision is
going to be and I think there's a lot of
you out there rationally kind of sitting around thinking about it.
Is Hey, as great as Trump was, and as great
as he is, he's got one term that he can serve.
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Right Trump wins in twenty twenty four, he's got to
be gone by twenty eight, that's a reality. Are there
other candidates that Republican primary voters might consider? And the
reason why I bring this up is some of those
guys could survey years and so I guess my my
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biggest thought in terms of Democrat calculation here is the
Republican bench of potential, real, legitimate, big time contenders is
way deeper to me than the Democrat benches. Right, buck
you go? But does it even matter when Joe Biden
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was you know what I'm saying, like, like we're running
against I get put in the machine. But I would
argue that there are some candidates out there that could
be better, uh candidates and even presidents than Trump, like right,
Rhonda Santis, Ted Cruz, and I'm just naming names, Nicky Haley,
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Tim Scott who carried away? Are you saying that you
think they could be or that the voters may decide
that they voters may decide that they could be. I
mean to me, the thing is Democrats are trying to
knock out Trump, but the reality is Republican voters are
going to get to make that decision. Right. So the
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question that I think in the political calculus is out
here is if they do bring charges against Trump. I
mean criminal charges, not civil charges. Its civil charges. This
is all just a sideshow. Whatever you and I can
get sued, hopefully, let's note, but you can get You
can sue someone for anything at any point in time
in this country. So the idea that you have a
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civil lawsuit pending against you is and then this is
the former lawyer in me speaking, or former full time
lawyer in me speaking, It's just not that big of
a deal. So civil lawsuits to me are not significant.
If there are criminal charges brought sometime against Trump, then
the police calculus becomes far more interesting to me in
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terms of what primary voters would say as to whether
that makes them more or less likely to want to
support Trump. And I don't claim to know the US,
but you still very strongly believe in your Trump. And
Hunter Trump gets prosecuted and Hunter Biden gets prosecuted. The
second part of this, well, we have a bet audit.
But the first part of this, I'm with me on
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the Trump gets prosecuted. So I'm feeling like, well, I
just keep going through the iterations in my head. And
then there's also the frustration of the fact that they
benefit from this. No matter what it's, it's a little
bit like you're going through an IRS audit. You know
who loses you? You know who doesn't really care one
way or the other. The government, the guys that are
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auditing you get paid. They either get their money or
they look like they're busy. And it doesn't matter the
fact that we're even here. Having to go through the
possible iterations of a prosecution of the likeliest X, not
the only one, but likeliest next Republican presidential contender, just
goes to show you that they're forcing us a little
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bit onto defense. I mean, it is also just an
interesting intellectual exercise to think about how crazy these libs are.
But we're not talking about the border inflation crime. We're
not talking about But I mean when I say we're not,
we will at a moment, and we're going to talk
about the what is it seventy five basis points that
they're expected to raise. Just later at two o'clock Eastern
were expected to see a seventy five point basis rise.
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I mean, I think anybody honestly play it was almost
like invoking the mercy rule. I remember I used to
play whiffleball, right, and there'll be the mercy rule, because
we play whiffleball a lot. If they like one kid
who's really good at whiffleball, and all of a sudden
the score gets into double digits and all the other
kids are like, he hits too hard. And watching Trump,
I'm sorry, watching Biden up there at the UN and
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the UN apparently only exists so world leaders can whine
about conflicts that the UN was unable will to prevent,
like this is what does like what do you what
is the purpose of this thing? But Biden's up there,
He's doing his shouty kind of grimacing, squinty eyed thing,
and then they cut to Letitia James, you know, with
Trump announcing the civil suit. I think it was the
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mercy rule because Biden up there the whole thing. I'm
just like, what is this old man shouting about? Like
what is this even supposed to be at this point? Yeah,
And if we go to break here, I would just
ask everybody out there and think about this. And we
got a lot of fun stuff to still talk about.
We got some incredible audio clips. Our friends at the
View are done with their summer recess. Us both think
about what a great show, what a great guest pairing.
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That would be we'd have so much fun. Those ladies
would be so charmed by us. It's amazing how stupid
that show is. They were on summer break and they've
immediately come back. Plus I think we tease that we
might talk about this yesterday, but Don Lemon decided to
argue with the British person about reparations and he got
dunked on so hard that he might be in concussion.
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Good times. Michael in California has an important announcement. Clay,
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what's up man? Where's that? Where's that dinner? For Bluck? Well,
I mean Buck, This is an intriguing position now on
our bet because no work, no, no, no no, but you
now agree, you now agree with me that Trump's gonna
be charged. No hold on, Michael, remembers the bet is
about Hunter Biden being charged, which we talked about in January. Okay,
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so it's now September, so I understand I still think
Hunter is going to be charged. Okay, so we had
a timeline, so we can we go double or nothing
into twenty three one Hunter? Who let it wait? So
double or nothing if Trump and Hunter? If Trump and
Hunter get invited, Trump, No, just a Hunter. But I
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think I still think Trump, and I think you agree
with me on Trump right like, if you had to
choose right now, you think I wouldn't bet. I wouldn't
bet against Trump being charged right now, So we are
now in agreement on that. I'm saying just double or
nothing on Hunter. But giving me the twenty twenty three Michael,
what do you think should I should I ease his
pain here at this double or nothing? Or should I
just start sharpening the knives for the filet Mignon? What
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do you think I sharpened the knives? No? No, double
or nothing. I mean, here's here's my only thought. Michael's
a smart man, he knows well. Thank you for the call. Michael.
By the way, here, I think that I think our
our audience out here Buck what if you have a
fabulous steak dinner and then Hunter gets charged with a
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gets charged with a crime just based on the time.
This would feel like a bit of a bit of achieving.
I would see, you know, the bed is the bed.
I mean, I gave you till December to be fair.
He could get charged. He could get in November December
time frame, in which case, you know, obviously I'm gonna
be on the wrong side of this one. I'm gonna
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think about this this double or nothing to twenty three.
I still believe that a sitting United States president, his party,
his appointee. Now, I would say that if they if
they had a special counsel. Which did you see this?
By the way, I was like, thirty three Republican senators
think there should be a Hunter Biden special counsel about
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the other ones? Yeah, I don't understand how that fifty
did not agree that the special who Yeah, the seventeen
who voted against that, I don't know how that's possible.
I mean, like, this is the most honest legal analysts
I know all admit that if there was ever a
case for a special counsel, it is the influence peddling
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and federal crimes of the sitting president's son. And frankly,
it's not only for Hunter Biden. I'm still in complete
disbelief that Merrick Garland is allowed to head up an
investigation of Donald Trump. Like, this is also what the
Independent Council Statute was designed for. Merrick Garland buck is
leading an investigation of his boss's chief political ros. This
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is what they always do. I get always they don't
recuse themselves. Yeah, like, oh, but people will say, I
mean things about how we have no ethics. They're like,
deal with it. They're like take it. We're not gonna
they don't care our side. We always have Republicans who
are like, what about our principles? Like what about our principles?
We're about to be overrun and they're gonna start slaughtering
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the survivors of the battle with bayonets afterwards, Like what
do you mean our principles? This is always how it goes.
They keep the power, they don't want to give it up,
and we sit around being like, well, well, you know,
I don't know what would Edmund Burke say about this one.
It's like, oh, I just I can't believe that. I
feel like I'm the only person that has even been
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talking about the fact that this is totally it's not
even just impropriety, Buck, the appearance of impropriety. How can
there not be the appearance of impropriety when the chief
political rival of of I can explain this for everybody,
and everybody will know exactly what I'm talking about. They're
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gonna go, oh, yep, that's that's right. The same mentality
that allows Merrick Garland to not, you know, recuse himself
or to or to be in charge of this investigation
and not feel badly about it is the Martha's Vineyard
libs who are patting themselves on the back publicly for
having migrants on their island for forty four hours and
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how well they did. But an easy analogy from the
world of sports, Buck is, would the Yankees be able
to investigate the Red Sox for alleged wrong doing? Would
Ohio State be able to investigate Michigan? Would Alabama be
able to investigate Auburn. This idea that you could have
your chief rival with the opportunity to take you out
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conduct an investigation is just pure madness. But I do
think of all the craziness that's going on right now,
the most significant thing to come out of Letitia James's
announcement here is she didn't have the goods. She didn't
have the goods or the stones forty eight days before
the election to actually charge, despite a multi year investigation,
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Donald Trump with any criminal violation. Now, she put the
onus on others to do it, but she didn't have
the stones to do it herself. I think that's pretty
significant here. We're gonna talk to you in a few
minutes about what happens when somebody who actually knows quite
a bit of history talks about requests for reparations. Plus
also we'll talk about some transgender issues. That's all coming up.
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