January 24, 2023 • 37 mins
Former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy joins Clay and Buck on the classified documents scandals and tarnished FBI. Doomsday Clock moves closer to midnight due to war in Ukraine. Former Secretary of State and CIA Director Mike Pompeo, author of the new book "Never Give an Inch," joins C&B. The most consequential and incompetent transportation secretary in recent memory?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Tuesday edition
of the program. Final hour of the show. We bring
in now our buddy Annie McCarthy, who is doing an
incredible job breaking down so much of the legal related
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issues all around the absurdity of classified documents and beyond.
Fox News contributor, former federal prosecutor at the Southern District
of New York. He spent over twenty years there, wrote
a book, Ball of Collusion, The plots are rigging election
and destroy a presidency. And like me, he also had
Sorry Buffalo fans and also fans of the Dallas Cowboys.
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You had a Bill's Cowboys super Bowl that went up
in smoke on Sunday as well. I did, Clay, And
you know, I feel terrible about this because I hate
both teams. I just you know, but I thought they
were I thought they were getting hot at the right time.
So who knows. Do you think before we get into
serious stuff, do you think Tom raid he's gonna retire
or do you think he'll come back? No? I think
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he's I think he's going to play another year. I
think he could still he'd have to be like in
the right offense, right, um, because he could still really
throw the ball. He's not you know, he's not what
he used to be. But it's like that's like saying
like each roo's only hitting three oh five, you know,
I mean, he's still really pretty good. I think I
think he's gonna end up down in Miami where Bucks
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been in part of the year. Now. I think he's
going to be another Miami and more Miami people. I
think he's gonna play for the Dolphins. That's my prediction
to Brady. Yeah, a lot of reports about that today
that he's like, look, you're checking out schools and stuff
like that. So we'll see, Yeah, we'll see. All right,
So let's dive into Mike Pennce today comes out and
says he's got classified documents. The continued fallout. Five different
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times Joe Biden has been caught with classified documents. What's
your take on the big picture question here of whether
anybody's gonna get charged with anything related to these classified documents.
I don't think anybody's going to get charged, but if
like I think we discussed before. If you would ask
me that question like two and a half weeks ago,
I would say, you know, Trump was one hundred percent
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going to be charged, Yeah, with do you think anyone
will be? But my other I mean, my other big
picture impression. I couldn't help this, but I'm I'm reminded.
I guess this is because I'm getting too old, but
I'm reminded of the Clinton Lynsky stuff where the Democrats
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refrain throughout those years, was everybody does it? And I'm like, well, no,
everybody doesn't have sex with interns in the White House,
but maybe everybody does do this. I don't It's starting
to look that way, isn't it. Andy. You know, you
may have seen yesterday there was an arrest of a
former top FBI official who oversaw counterintelligence in New York City.
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I don't know if you guys ever crossed paths in
your day, but Charles McGonagall facing charges of money laundering.
I think, among others, that he took money from a
former Albanian intelligence employee and a representative of the Russian
oligarch Oleg Deripaska. A lot of people see this and
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they say so one of the guys, who if you
were involved at that level of counterintelligence in New York City,
the FBI office in New York City, you certainly were
aware of the Trump Russia collusion investigations and things going
on there. So somebody who would have been overseeing the
fake Russia collusion investigation of Trump has now been charged
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with colluding with Russians to evade US money laundering loss. Yeah,
that's exactly right, And Buck I was reminded you guys
were kind enough to mention my book in the intro.
I wrote a lot in the book about Derra Pasca,
including the fact that you know, number one, the FBI
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tried to flip him in was it the twenty sixteen
before the Trump stuff ever got rolling, And that was
the reason they were dealing with Steel at the time,
because Steele was working for Tera Pasca, where all the
FBI was taking information from him that ended up in
the Steele docier, which I thought, in and of itself
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was remarkable. And you know, the funny thing with dearra
Pasca was apparently the Bureau. One of the reasons the
Bureau soured on the whole idea of turning him is
when he sat down with them. They pitched him on
this on the Trump poutin conspiracy, and he was like,
what are you talking about this? No, Trump putin conspiracy,
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which was apparently that was not what the party line
was at the time. But I'm just I can't help
I mean, it's terrible for the FBI, but I can't
help but be amused by, you know, the way these guys,
you know, seemed to change on a dime. So like,
you know, first they're trying to flip Derera Pasca, then
there executing Deak Posca. Then the head of the Foreign
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counter Intelligence in New York is working for Derek Pasca.
It makes you dizzy, doesn't It is the FBI something
that we could dramatically reform in a meaningful way, Andy,
I mean a lot of people ask me this all
the time, and I know some people in the rivals say, oh,
we got to tear it down to the studs and
start anew. Well, if you're gonna have federal laws, you've
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got you're gonna have a federal law enforcement agency, so
you know, remolding the f You know, people think, oh,
we have a DNI and we had NCTC and all
these things, you know, we didn't need all that, right,
you're just creating more bureaucracy to paper over the failures
of the bureaucracy you had before. Could we do something
within the FBI? I mean, can there be a house
cleaning that that would be meaningful? I think there could
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buck if they were serious about it, like if they
really went about it in a Church Committee type style.
I'm not I'm not a big fan of the outcomes
of the Church Committee, but like the dry think force
behind it, those spying scandals and the you know, the
sixties into the eighties, those were good reasons to have
that um committee. And if they you know, I think,
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you know, if you throw out the extremes of both sides,
like there's one side on the left that wants to
be fund all police and really doesn't believe in prosecution
at all, and then there's people on the right who
I think unrealistically think that we could get on without
a federal police force. I just think the way society is,
in the way the law is now, you have to
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have a federal police force. It doesn't have to be
the FBI, but we have to have one. So if
you toss those people aside, I think there's enough people
in the in the broad middle on both sides who
have gripes about the current FBI, and maybe that's the
makings that people could if we still have a capability
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in Washington of people like like being grown ups with
respect to a problem that everybody understands as a problem.
I mean my own view of it. You and I,
I think have talked about this before. I think the
Bureau after nine to eleven became too much of an
intelligence agency and it started to be an intelligence agency
with a police sideline. And they're very you know, I
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think intelligence work is very important. Police work is very important,
but they're very different. And if you become an intelligence agency,
it really damages your dedication to civil rights, which police
have to keep like in the front of their minds.
And I think that's what's really hurt the FBI. I
would take their counter intelligence mission away from them. Andy,
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I want you to take me into what a search
of Joe Biden's home would have required, at least in
your mind, from a sort of procedural mechanics perspective. It's
one thing when you know Marlago, they show up at
former President Trump's home and they raid that but for
a sitting president to be essentially searched by his own
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Department of Justice's FBI is truly unprecedented. Is that something
that Merrick Garland signs off on? Is that something that
is threatened if the Biden regime does not comply? Like who?
I just don't even understand how that ends up happening.
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What do you think the mechanics and the procedures behind
the scenes were like for this, Clay, I think that
the big thing was Biden signing off on it, because
you're quite right, you know, this is President Trump had
a very exalted status because he's a former president, which
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is a big deal, but it doesn't have any political power, right,
whereas the incumbent president is the only guy. I mean,
you know, Justice Scalia taught us all this like thirty
years ago, right or forty years ago. The only person
with power in the executive branch is the president. Everybody else,
including the Attorney General, and the executive branch is a
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delegate who exercises the president's power at the president's pleasure,
and that includes the Special counsel. Like they try to
tell you they're getting an independent prosecutor, and there's no
independent prosecutor. In the United States prosecutions and executive function,
everybody answers to the president, So they couldn't have done
this without Biden's sign off. It would have been insubordinate.
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And I think that's probably a big part of the
reason why they didn't get a search warrant, which they
certainly had legal grounds for, and why they cut a
deal with Biden's lawyers that they were able to accompany
the FBI as they did the search, which of course
didn't happen in Trump's case. So I think the mechanics
of this is Biden has to sign off on it,
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and then there's probably some limits that are negotiated about
what they're allowed to look at or where they're allowed
to and then the lawyers went along with them as
they went from from room to room in the house. Andy,
So this basically goes where in your mind, I mean,
how does all this end up? I mean, you saw
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Mike Pennce has classified documents at home too. This has
crossed over into crazytown. Yeah, So I think that's a
big part of why nothing's going to happen with this,
because I think people are starting to think that, you know,
if we now started to look at like, listen to
what Biden's excuses here, right, he wants you to believe
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that it was sloppy AIDS who packed up his stuff
and sent it to you know, and it turned out
that classified information ended up in there, as if the
AIDS had security clearances, right, as if the AIDS when
he was a senator went into the skip with him,
and are the ones who stole the document? You know.
I mean, it's it's ridiculous, But I think this is
such a culture of carelessness that if weed to search
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a lot of these guys, who knows what we would find.
And everybody kind of realizes that. So I think the
Democrats badly want to prosecute Trump. Right, So if it
was just Trump who had this problem, there'd be a
very high chance that he'd be indicted. But now that
it looks like Biden has it and Pence has it,
and who knows, what will you know, who's the next
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person we'll hear about. I don't think they're gonna I
don't think they're going to get indicted. And I wonder
if Pence having these documents is going to lessen the
enthusiasm of the new Republican majority in the House to
start asking a lot of aggressive questions, because I really
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think that's the only way we're going to find out
anything here. That these special counsels are there to just say,
you know, we're doing our investigation. We can't comment. So
this whole thing is supposed to go into a black hole.
Either the Republicans in the House use their subpoena power
and conduct hearings. That's the only way we're going to
find out anything. And I just wonder if they'll do
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that at this point. And you mentioned earlier and Buck
and I both have this opinion. Now my opinion's changed.
I thought they would charge Trump over the classified documents.
I now think I agree with you that they will not.
I wonder if this classified documents scandal is becoming so
all encompassing that it actually is going to make it
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harder for the Department of Justice to charge Trump for anything.
January sixth they related. Now, I presume you would think
those were harder charges to bring in the first place.
But do you think this overall mushroom cloud of incompetence
that sort of is surrounding everything now is actually making
it far less likely than anything January sixth related will
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also be brought against President Trump. That's a really interesting question.
I hadn't thought about that. I thought up until now
that they look at January sixth and the class the
Moro Lago documents as like two separate boxes that don't
really have much to do with each other. Although I
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do think that if they had found at Mara Lago
any documents that were incriminating with respect to the Capital Riot,
they would certainly have used them. But I thought they
were looking at that as like two separate trend I
agree with you, by the way on that, but I
thought the charges would actually be easier on the classified
docs to prove. And so, but it's such a mushroom
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cloud now that I almost feel like it implicates January sixth.
Then I was just wondering if you thought so too,
because in the mind of the public, charging anybody now
when it looks like there could be, you know, potentially
felonious behavior everywhere, feels kind of like a arbitrary and
capricious application of the law. Yeah, I think there could
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be something to be said to that. But I still
think that their big problem with January sixth is because
Trump is not implicated in the violence. The only way
that you make a federal case out of that is
to criminalize John Eastman's legal theory, right. And I just
think that this whole idea of going down the avenue
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of making a felony into frivolous legal theories is nuts.
I mean, I don't think we want to live in
that kind of a system. I know they're they're so
rapid to get Trump that they'll probably overlook all that.
But I've had hope that because they haven't done it
up until now, that maybe Garland realizes this is like
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a really bad idea. Any McCarthy, everybody look for his
latest on National Review and also on Fox News. Andy.
We always appreciate it. Look forward to talking to you again. Thanks, guys.
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to a former Secretary State Mike Pompeo here in just
a few minutes. There is this thing, the doomsday clock.
Clay familiar with this. Yes, doomsday clock, according to CNN
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an hour ago, reveals how close we are to total annihilation.
Play cliff one. Today, the members of the Science and
Security Board move the hands of the doomsday clock forward, largely,
though not exclusively, because of the mounting dangers in the
war in Ukraine. We move the clock forward the closest
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it has ever been to midnight. It is now ninety
seconds to midnight. I guess we're supposed to be really
freaked out. Yeah, I mean ninety seconds to midnight sounds
like a movie that would be out on a streaming service.
I mean, I don't know what my reaction is supposed
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to be. My inclination based on Ukraine is I'm less
troubled by the danger brought to bear on the nation
and the world by Ukraine now than I was last
year at this time, right like, as we were talking
about whether or not there might be an invasion and
whether Putin might use tactical nukes and everything else, it
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seems to me that this is kind of just bogged
down in trench warfare. Now, Buck so I'm less troubled,
although I know we may send tanks. There's talk that
the NATO Alliance is going to give tanks and we'll
see what happens there whether that could accelerant be act
as an accelerant. But I'm just I feel like things
are less dangerous now than they were last year. Do
they ever give the clock back like where we're actually safer?
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I can assure you the doomsday clock is never at
just chill and go to the beach. It's all gonna
be fine level that I do know. I just I
don't know if they can dial it back. It seems
every time the story comes out, we're getting closer to doomsday.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by Mike Pompeo, seventieth Secretary of State, former CIA director
under Donald Trump, his new book Never Given Inch, Fighting
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for the America I Love, and Secretary Pompeo, you probably
didn't expect this would be the lead question. But given
that Mike Pence has classified documents, and given that Donald
Trump has classified documents and Joe Biden has classified documents,
do you have classified documents? Have have you gone back
through papers in the way all this what do you
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make of everybody seeming to have classified documents? Oh, my goodness,
foot on a mess. No, I don't believe that anything
that's classified. Anybody who has that, they should turn it
back in what a mess. Classified documents should stay in
the places they're supposed to be. And just as importantly,
if it turns out that somehow they got where they
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we're supposed to be, you should give them back and
then you should be as transparent as you can about
what the heck it happened. By the way, you shouldn't
say you don't have regrets. If someone classified information in
my home or near my corvette, the corvette, I promise
you I wouldn't say I didn't have any regrets. I
would regret it deeply that I'd screwed up in that way.
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Secretary Pompeo, it's Buck wanted to ask you about the
reports on Abrams tanks possibly being provided to Ukraine by
the US. A lot of the people you're you're speaking now,
we're listening all across the country served in a Rock
and Afghanistan. We have a lot of veterans in this audience,
a lot of active duty military, and I hear from
them all all the frequently about their concerns that we're
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getting deeper and deeper into the Ukraine fight. Where one,
do you think the Abrams tank should be provided? And
then where would you draw the line on us support
for the fight against Russia. Well, two things. I do
think that that equipment should be providing if Ukrainians can
make use of it and it can help them push
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back against invasion by Vladimir Puttin, it's in America's best
interest to do so. They haven't asked for. To your point,
I'm a veteran troop I served as a young soldier
and then East German Communist border. I worry about American
getting too deeply involved. But the best way to keep
American soldiers from having to fight in Europe or to
fight against Russia or China any pikes, is to make
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sure that when there's an authoritarian invades a place like Ukraine,
and they haven't asked for the eighty second Airborne, they
haven't asked Promotorized Raffle Division. All they said is can
you send us stuff? We ought to provide them with
the stuff that we can that they can use, that
they can be trained on, that are actually going to
deliver against the mission set. It's the only way to
end Putin's invasion of Europe. Secretary Pompeo a lot of
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talk lately about twenty twenty four, who's running, what the
time frame is to run, If you are going to
run for president, when would you announce? And are you
exploring running for president it now? So my wife and
I are praying about it, trying to figure out if
this is the next place for us to go serve.
As for timeline, we kind of think the Lake Spring
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early summer is probably when she and I will have
to turn from prayer to action and we decide to
get in head to Iowa and New Hampshire's af Carolina
to make our case to the American people and if
not find where it is, will next surphy if not
an elected office. So that we're so good about Yeah,
so so far. Donald Trump is in. Does that impact
your thinking in any way given that you were a
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Secretary of State and served at the CIA under him?
Or is it not even about who else is running?
From your determination now it has nothing to do with
who else. Ritns mother Prindent Biden Rins defarm at President
Trump or whomever in the end, you must come to
believe that this is the time and you have something
that you can not only offer the American people in
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terms of a policy agenda that delivers good outcomes for them,
but that you have the tenacity that where the capability
to actually deliver on those promises. If you believe those
two things and it all works as a personal matter,
you have an obligation to go make the kings and then,
like the American people, start it all out being a
Mike Pompeo, former CI director of former Secretary of State
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under Trump, and his book is out today, so our
timing here on Clanbuck is always as excellent. Never Given
Inch is the book, and a Secretary Pompeio, I kind
of ask you because it's always fun whenever I see
a book come out from from somebody on our side
of things, to see what the media focus is on
right away and they are drilling down into it's all
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over Twitter. Oh my gosh. Have you seen Mike Pompeo's book,
which I guess in a sense this is kind of
an unintentional advertisement they're doing. Have you seen his book
Never Given Inch? Because of what he says about the
murdered journalist Jamal Kashogi. Well, the secretary, what did you say?
And why are they all so upset about it? Oh goodness,
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I don't know. I don't know what they're so upset about.
The Washingtons has had an obsession about this. When I
was in office, we made very clear the murder of
Jamaica Shogi was nasty, it was heinous, which was sumptions
thirteen Saudis for what they did. But we also knew
that that person's life wasn't more important than the lives
of Americans, life of American soldiers who were protecting us,
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and we weren't about to give up the partnership with
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that was helping us keep
the American economy going, keeping American security going. You can
see what happens when you flipped the script prosen Biden said, oh,
this is a prionation. He immediately had to go on
bended knee to the Kingdom and Austin to produce just
a little more crude oil. For we did not for
a moment mistake the fact that this was a bad act.
But we did not for a moment forget the putting
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America first was what really mattered most, and keeping America's
secure men, keeping a relationship, a security relationship and a
diplomatic relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the
United States Secretary Poonpeo. There's a big debate now still
ongoing about where COVID came from. You have worked in
the CIA, you certainly served as Secretary of State. Do
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you think it's a settled question? What's your own opinion
about where COVID came from? Was it a lab leak
or was this a natural animal evolution of a virus.
It's largely settled question. This virus came from a laboratory
where they were working on the virus and others like
it in Wuhan, China, and it leaked accidentally from that lab,
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and then the Chinese Commnist Party knowingly sent that virus
across the world when it was inside of human beings
on airplane, and they killed millions of people as a
result of that decision. So what consequences should there be
on China? And what do you think about people like
doctor Fauci who are still saying, oh, I don't believe
the lab leak theory happened. If you're correct, and I
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agree with you that this was a lab leak and
that China tried to cover it up and also then
basically spread this virus all over the world. It seems
like there should be really severe consequences for them. And
it also seems like it's kind of an important discussion
to be having in the United States and not have
somebody like doctor Fauci wagging his finger and saying the
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evidence doesn't support this and how dare you even raise
it as an issue. Well, the second one's easy, and
doctor Faucci got this wrong from the beginning. Seen its
debates on gain A function research is angles on the
head of a pan. The truth is he knew that
America was funding gain a function research in the laboratories
in China. I can't explain why he's chosen it that
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perhaps it's money. I don't truly know, but I know this.
I know he's wrong. I know that with near certainty
that it came from that lab. You should know that
lab is still up and operating and conducting the same
kind of research it did before this thing leaked. Who
knows when we will see that again. Which really gets
your second question is what should the penalty be how
should we respond to that. There are lots of pieces
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to this. The challenge of the Chinese Commist Party far
extends beyond, far beyond the challenge of the Wuhan virus,
and we have four forty years allowed the Chinese Communist
Party to be at war with US, at least economic war,
and we've turned the energy. One of the things I'm
most proud of that I did a secondary state is
we confronted the Chinese Communist Party in a serious way.
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We understood its ideology, we understood its economic motive, and
we began to put real restrictions on their capacity to
do harm to the American people. Secretary State Pompeio, appreciate
you joining us to talk to us about all this,
and people should go check out the book Never Give
an Informer Secretary Pompei I appreciate you, sir, gentlemen, thank you.
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they haven't had to call an all out stop to
air traffic in a little while, so I guess the
Biden's got that going forward tomorrow. Oh man, I forgot
about that one. Sorry, you you blame me when your
flight's delayed four hours because you know, not enough diversity
and inclusion seminars have been completed by you know, the
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FAA or something. But Pete Buddha Judge is out there
telling everybody. Remember, he's transportation secret I think it's fair
to say the most consequential think about that term, though,
the most consequential transportation secretary in recent memory. I'm saying
he's good, but he certainly had consequences. Yeah, very much
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about transportation secretaries in the past, because everything just kind
of worked and so it didn't matter. It's it's an
interesting argument. You'd have to go back quite a ways
to be able to or you have to ask a
lot of people for them to even be able to
rattle off a transportation secretary. I think. By the way, Langley,
the George HW. Bush Intelligence Center is also right next
to the Federal Highway Administration. So there's that for those
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of you who've ever had a tour of CIA headquarters.
I didn't even I don't know Federal Highway Administration. I
used to joke around, you know, that's that's where the
real secret stuff's actually happening. Langley was all just a front.
You know, it's like many even tour you can take
a tour of the CIA. Uh, they used to do them.
They don't really do them. I don't know. They kind
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of go back and forth on it. It's obviously super limited.
You basically can like press sometimes will go into the
lobby or they have portraits of the former directors, the
stars on the wall for fallen officers. But like that's it,
you know, you're not you're not like hanging out with
everybody in me that you could even walk around Langley
like I wouldn't think. I know, you can tour the FBI.
I've done the FBI tour before, but that's not really
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on its own camp. It's right down town. You have
on its own campus. They have a couple of internal
spy museums at the CIA where they have things, you know,
World War two era oss stuff and things like that.
So I think, you know, they're very limited tours you
can do. But it's not, No, they don't. They don't bust.
It's not like the Bronx Zoo. They're not sending bus
(31:54):
loads of kids out there to you know, to go
check out did you get adrenaline? Rusha's working at the CIA,
like where you were like, oh, like this is because
people tend to have it. And I'll say this, people
think when you practice a law that it's all like
a time to kill, you know, and when they think
of lawyers, and most of the time you're just like
sitting in front of a computer pushing a button, you know,
like over and over again to scroll through emails. So
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I'm just curious. Very similar, yeah, very similar reality. I
used to say to people that being a CIA analyst,
which is what I was doing, and there's other jobs,
case officers, a very prominent role the people often will
think of. It's written about a lot of books and
talked about. But to be a CIA analyst, which is
what Jack Ryan was very handsome, played by Harrison Ford
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and now by John Krasinski. Just putting that out. Ben
Affleck I think also played him right, Ben Affleck. So
you know, handsome CI analysts with great hair who live
in Georgetown. That's like a thing. That's a thing that happens,
but you know, it's it's I used to tell people
it's eighty percent mundane, ten percent particularly crappy, and ten
percent legitimately cool and badassy. So eighty percent of your
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hours are doing things that you're like, well, you know,
I could be like I could be working in mutual
of omaha. You know, it's paperwork, it's meeting, that's whatever.
Some of the training stuff you get to do. And
then obviously going overseas it's a whole lot more interesting
and you see a side of the world. I love reading,
You love reading. So the information that you've got to
learn and have access to is itself interesting. But the
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job of a CIA analyst is like the job of
an analyst in anywhere else, massive amounts of information absorption
and then synthesis into small usable bytes, in this case
for the policy community. But it is it's a reading
and writing job. Like, yeah, I did get weapons training
and stuff, but it's really a reading and writing job,
which is really very similar to being a lawyer, right,
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Like you're basically just synthesize arguments and try to and
a little bit of what we do here, right, there's
a voluminous amount of data that comes in every single
day and we try to make sense of it for
the larger or community. Yeah, being an intelligence officer I
was to joke around people is actually very good training
for being a doing media, being a writer, journalism. It's
all very very similar. Back to Pete Boute judge for
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a second here, though, because the most now increasingly, I
think you could say, incompetent secretary of Transportation that anybody
can remember is out there reminding everyone that every decision
about transportation is a climate change decision, Play twenty four.
But we're looking at investments that are fair, that contribute
to equitable economic growth. We're looking at climate impacts, because
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every transportation decision in the twenty first century is a
climate decision, whether we recognize it or not. And thankfully,
because we have such a big investment, you don't have
to look at which states got funds from this infrastructure
law and which ones didn't. Every single state, I believe,
we're already over three thousand bridges. So we're making sure,
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whether they're talking about big projects like this or smaller communities,
that every part of America sees the benefit, because frankly,
every part of America has a need. Just notice that
whenever someone starts using the term equity and climate and
climate equity and these things altogether, this is the language
of the modern day American commissar sort of like in
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the Soviet Union, when there's always talk of the revolution
and the need for the workers and all that stuff.
Equity climate. This is the secular religion of America today,
and Pete Buddha Judge is one of its priests. I
think that's well said. I'm also genuinely curious about what
his future is. So he's not a very good Transportation secretary.
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He's relocated to Michigan. There's obviously a Senate seat that
is opening in Michigan. But if you ran for the
Senate and lost, it would certainly dent his ambitions going forward.
He probably in the back of his mind thinks, Okay,
I'm going to run against Kamala and beat her in
twenty eight, because we think Biden's going to run in
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twenty four. But is he going to be Transportation secretary
for eight years? I gotta say I think. I think
in a head to head matchup, I think Kamala Harris
for the Democrat nomination beats Pete Voda Judge. I think
Pete Buddha Judge has a zero percent chance of being
nominated because he's gay. And I don't mean that because
I think there's some massive anti gay sentiment in the
(36:17):
country that I prevent him from being elected. I mean
him getting the Democrat nomination because there's lots of black
guys that aren't going to vote for a gay white
guy to be the nominee for the Democrat Party. And
it's like they won't talk about it, but you look
at the data, he didn't get any support from minority voters.
Pete mayor Pete is the woke white liberal selection right.
(36:42):
A lot of woke white people like him, but it
doesn't actually connect with the huge percentage of the overall electorate.
I think he'd probably have to be VP, and then
maybe he's Kamala's VP, and we have the diversity inclusion
ticket officially out there for twenty twenty eight. The converse
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Tuesday edition
of the program. Final hour of the show. We bring
in now our buddy Annie McCarthy, who is doing an
incredible job breaking down so much of the legal related
(00:21):
issues all around the absurdity of classified documents and beyond.
Fox News contributor, former federal prosecutor at the Southern District
of New York. He spent over twenty years there, wrote
a book, Ball of Collusion, The plots are rigging election
and destroy a presidency. And like me, he also had
Sorry Buffalo fans and also fans of the Dallas Cowboys.
(00:42):
You had a Bill's Cowboys super Bowl that went up
in smoke on Sunday as well. I did, Clay, And
you know, I feel terrible about this because I hate
both teams. I just you know, but I thought they
were I thought they were getting hot at the right time.
So who knows. Do you think before we get into
serious stuff, do you think Tom raid he's gonna retire
or do you think he'll come back? No? I think
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he's I think he's going to play another year. I
think he could still he'd have to be like in
the right offense, right, um, because he could still really
throw the ball. He's not you know, he's not what
he used to be. But it's like that's like saying
like each roo's only hitting three oh five, you know,
I mean, he's still really pretty good. I think I
think he's gonna end up down in Miami where Bucks
(01:25):
been in part of the year. Now. I think he's
going to be another Miami and more Miami people. I
think he's gonna play for the Dolphins. That's my prediction
to Brady. Yeah, a lot of reports about that today
that he's like, look, you're checking out schools and stuff
like that. So we'll see, Yeah, we'll see. All right,
So let's dive into Mike Pennce today comes out and
says he's got classified documents. The continued fallout. Five different
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times Joe Biden has been caught with classified documents. What's
your take on the big picture question here of whether
anybody's gonna get charged with anything related to these classified documents.
I don't think anybody's going to get charged, but if
like I think we discussed before. If you would ask
me that question like two and a half weeks ago,
I would say, you know, Trump was one hundred percent
(02:10):
going to be charged, Yeah, with do you think anyone
will be? But my other I mean, my other big
picture impression. I couldn't help this, but I'm I'm reminded.
I guess this is because I'm getting too old, but
I'm reminded of the Clinton Lynsky stuff where the Democrats
(02:31):
refrain throughout those years, was everybody does it? And I'm like, well, no,
everybody doesn't have sex with interns in the White House,
but maybe everybody does do this. I don't It's starting
to look that way, isn't it. Andy. You know, you
may have seen yesterday there was an arrest of a
former top FBI official who oversaw counterintelligence in New York City.
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I don't know if you guys ever crossed paths in
your day, but Charles McGonagall facing charges of money laundering.
I think, among others, that he took money from a
former Albanian intelligence employee and a representative of the Russian
oligarch Oleg Deripaska. A lot of people see this and
(03:15):
they say so one of the guys, who if you
were involved at that level of counterintelligence in New York City,
the FBI office in New York City, you certainly were
aware of the Trump Russia collusion investigations and things going
on there. So somebody who would have been overseeing the
fake Russia collusion investigation of Trump has now been charged
(03:36):
with colluding with Russians to evade US money laundering loss. Yeah,
that's exactly right, And Buck I was reminded you guys
were kind enough to mention my book in the intro.
I wrote a lot in the book about Derra Pasca,
including the fact that you know, number one, the FBI
(03:58):
tried to flip him in was it the twenty sixteen
before the Trump stuff ever got rolling, And that was
the reason they were dealing with Steel at the time,
because Steele was working for Tera Pasca, where all the
FBI was taking information from him that ended up in
the Steele docier, which I thought, in and of itself
(04:19):
was remarkable. And you know, the funny thing with dearra
Pasca was apparently the Bureau. One of the reasons the
Bureau soured on the whole idea of turning him is
when he sat down with them. They pitched him on
this on the Trump poutin conspiracy, and he was like,
what are you talking about this? No, Trump putin conspiracy,
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which was apparently that was not what the party line
was at the time. But I'm just I can't help
I mean, it's terrible for the FBI, but I can't
help but be amused by, you know, the way these guys,
you know, seemed to change on a dime. So like,
you know, first they're trying to flip Derera Pasca, then
there executing Deak Posca. Then the head of the Foreign
(05:03):
counter Intelligence in New York is working for Derek Pasca.
It makes you dizzy, doesn't It is the FBI something
that we could dramatically reform in a meaningful way, Andy,
I mean a lot of people ask me this all
the time, and I know some people in the rivals say, oh,
we got to tear it down to the studs and
start anew. Well, if you're gonna have federal laws, you've
(05:24):
got you're gonna have a federal law enforcement agency, so
you know, remolding the f You know, people think, oh,
we have a DNI and we had NCTC and all
these things, you know, we didn't need all that, right,
you're just creating more bureaucracy to paper over the failures
of the bureaucracy you had before. Could we do something
within the FBI? I mean, can there be a house
cleaning that that would be meaningful? I think there could
(05:47):
buck if they were serious about it, like if they
really went about it in a Church Committee type style.
I'm not I'm not a big fan of the outcomes
of the Church Committee, but like the dry think force
behind it, those spying scandals and the you know, the
sixties into the eighties, those were good reasons to have
that um committee. And if they you know, I think,
(06:12):
you know, if you throw out the extremes of both sides,
like there's one side on the left that wants to
be fund all police and really doesn't believe in prosecution
at all, and then there's people on the right who
I think unrealistically think that we could get on without
a federal police force. I just think the way society is,
in the way the law is now, you have to
(06:34):
have a federal police force. It doesn't have to be
the FBI, but we have to have one. So if
you toss those people aside, I think there's enough people
in the in the broad middle on both sides who
have gripes about the current FBI, and maybe that's the
makings that people could if we still have a capability
(06:54):
in Washington of people like like being grown ups with
respect to a problem that everybody understands as a problem.
I mean my own view of it. You and I,
I think have talked about this before. I think the
Bureau after nine to eleven became too much of an
intelligence agency and it started to be an intelligence agency
with a police sideline. And they're very you know, I
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think intelligence work is very important. Police work is very important,
but they're very different. And if you become an intelligence agency,
it really damages your dedication to civil rights, which police
have to keep like in the front of their minds.
And I think that's what's really hurt the FBI. I
would take their counter intelligence mission away from them. Andy,
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I want you to take me into what a search
of Joe Biden's home would have required, at least in
your mind, from a sort of procedural mechanics perspective. It's
one thing when you know Marlago, they show up at
former President Trump's home and they raid that but for
a sitting president to be essentially searched by his own
(08:06):
Department of Justice's FBI is truly unprecedented. Is that something
that Merrick Garland signs off on? Is that something that
is threatened if the Biden regime does not comply? Like who?
I just don't even understand how that ends up happening.
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What do you think the mechanics and the procedures behind
the scenes were like for this, Clay, I think that
the big thing was Biden signing off on it, because
you're quite right, you know, this is President Trump had
a very exalted status because he's a former president, which
(08:47):
is a big deal, but it doesn't have any political power, right,
whereas the incumbent president is the only guy. I mean,
you know, Justice Scalia taught us all this like thirty
years ago, right or forty years ago. The only person
with power in the executive branch is the president. Everybody else,
including the Attorney General, and the executive branch is a
(09:08):
delegate who exercises the president's power at the president's pleasure,
and that includes the Special counsel. Like they try to
tell you they're getting an independent prosecutor, and there's no
independent prosecutor. In the United States prosecutions and executive function,
everybody answers to the president, So they couldn't have done
this without Biden's sign off. It would have been insubordinate.
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And I think that's probably a big part of the
reason why they didn't get a search warrant, which they
certainly had legal grounds for, and why they cut a
deal with Biden's lawyers that they were able to accompany
the FBI as they did the search, which of course
didn't happen in Trump's case. So I think the mechanics
of this is Biden has to sign off on it,
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and then there's probably some limits that are negotiated about
what they're allowed to look at or where they're allowed
to and then the lawyers went along with them as
they went from from room to room in the house. Andy,
So this basically goes where in your mind, I mean,
how does all this end up? I mean, you saw
(10:15):
Mike Pennce has classified documents at home too. This has
crossed over into crazytown. Yeah, So I think that's a
big part of why nothing's going to happen with this,
because I think people are starting to think that, you know,
if we now started to look at like, listen to
what Biden's excuses here, right, he wants you to believe
(10:36):
that it was sloppy AIDS who packed up his stuff
and sent it to you know, and it turned out
that classified information ended up in there, as if the
AIDS had security clearances, right, as if the AIDS when
he was a senator went into the skip with him,
and are the ones who stole the document? You know.
I mean, it's it's ridiculous, But I think this is
such a culture of carelessness that if weed to search
(11:00):
a lot of these guys, who knows what we would find.
And everybody kind of realizes that. So I think the
Democrats badly want to prosecute Trump. Right, So if it
was just Trump who had this problem, there'd be a
very high chance that he'd be indicted. But now that
it looks like Biden has it and Pence has it,
and who knows, what will you know, who's the next
(11:21):
person we'll hear about. I don't think they're gonna I
don't think they're going to get indicted. And I wonder
if Pence having these documents is going to lessen the
enthusiasm of the new Republican majority in the House to
start asking a lot of aggressive questions, because I really
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think that's the only way we're going to find out
anything here. That these special counsels are there to just say,
you know, we're doing our investigation. We can't comment. So
this whole thing is supposed to go into a black hole.
Either the Republicans in the House use their subpoena power
and conduct hearings. That's the only way we're going to
find out anything. And I just wonder if they'll do
(12:02):
that at this point. And you mentioned earlier and Buck
and I both have this opinion. Now my opinion's changed.
I thought they would charge Trump over the classified documents.
I now think I agree with you that they will not.
I wonder if this classified documents scandal is becoming so
all encompassing that it actually is going to make it
(12:23):
harder for the Department of Justice to charge Trump for anything.
January sixth they related. Now, I presume you would think
those were harder charges to bring in the first place.
But do you think this overall mushroom cloud of incompetence
that sort of is surrounding everything now is actually making
it far less likely than anything January sixth related will
(12:43):
also be brought against President Trump. That's a really interesting question.
I hadn't thought about that. I thought up until now
that they look at January sixth and the class the
Moro Lago documents as like two separate boxes that don't
really have much to do with each other. Although I
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do think that if they had found at Mara Lago
any documents that were incriminating with respect to the Capital Riot,
they would certainly have used them. But I thought they
were looking at that as like two separate trend I
agree with you, by the way on that, but I
thought the charges would actually be easier on the classified
docs to prove. And so, but it's such a mushroom
(13:26):
cloud now that I almost feel like it implicates January sixth.
Then I was just wondering if you thought so too,
because in the mind of the public, charging anybody now
when it looks like there could be, you know, potentially
felonious behavior everywhere, feels kind of like a arbitrary and
capricious application of the law. Yeah, I think there could
(13:47):
be something to be said to that. But I still
think that their big problem with January sixth is because
Trump is not implicated in the violence. The only way
that you make a federal case out of that is
to criminalize John Eastman's legal theory, right. And I just
think that this whole idea of going down the avenue
(14:09):
of making a felony into frivolous legal theories is nuts.
I mean, I don't think we want to live in
that kind of a system. I know they're they're so
rapid to get Trump that they'll probably overlook all that.
But I've had hope that because they haven't done it
up until now, that maybe Garland realizes this is like
(14:30):
a really bad idea. Any McCarthy, everybody look for his
latest on National Review and also on Fox News. Andy.
We always appreciate it. Look forward to talking to you again. Thanks, guys.
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to a former Secretary State Mike Pompeo here in just
a few minutes. There is this thing, the doomsday clock.
Clay familiar with this. Yes, doomsday clock, according to CNN
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an hour ago, reveals how close we are to total annihilation.
Play cliff one. Today, the members of the Science and
Security Board move the hands of the doomsday clock forward, largely,
though not exclusively, because of the mounting dangers in the
war in Ukraine. We move the clock forward the closest
(16:44):
it has ever been to midnight. It is now ninety
seconds to midnight. I guess we're supposed to be really
freaked out. Yeah, I mean ninety seconds to midnight sounds
like a movie that would be out on a streaming service.
I mean, I don't know what my reaction is supposed
(17:06):
to be. My inclination based on Ukraine is I'm less
troubled by the danger brought to bear on the nation
and the world by Ukraine now than I was last
year at this time, right like, as we were talking
about whether or not there might be an invasion and
whether Putin might use tactical nukes and everything else, it
(17:27):
seems to me that this is kind of just bogged
down in trench warfare. Now, Buck so I'm less troubled,
although I know we may send tanks. There's talk that
the NATO Alliance is going to give tanks and we'll
see what happens there whether that could accelerant be act
as an accelerant. But I'm just I feel like things
are less dangerous now than they were last year. Do
they ever give the clock back like where we're actually safer?
(17:51):
I can assure you the doomsday clock is never at
just chill and go to the beach. It's all gonna
be fine level that I do know. I just I
don't know if they can dial it back. It seems
every time the story comes out, we're getting closer to doomsday.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by Mike Pompeo, seventieth Secretary of State, former CIA director
under Donald Trump, his new book Never Given Inch, Fighting
(19:18):
for the America I Love, and Secretary Pompeo, you probably
didn't expect this would be the lead question. But given
that Mike Pence has classified documents, and given that Donald
Trump has classified documents and Joe Biden has classified documents,
do you have classified documents? Have have you gone back
through papers in the way all this what do you
(19:39):
make of everybody seeming to have classified documents? Oh, my goodness,
foot on a mess. No, I don't believe that anything
that's classified. Anybody who has that, they should turn it
back in what a mess. Classified documents should stay in
the places they're supposed to be. And just as importantly,
if it turns out that somehow they got where they
(20:00):
we're supposed to be, you should give them back and
then you should be as transparent as you can about
what the heck it happened. By the way, you shouldn't
say you don't have regrets. If someone classified information in
my home or near my corvette, the corvette, I promise
you I wouldn't say I didn't have any regrets. I
would regret it deeply that I'd screwed up in that way.
(20:21):
Secretary Pompeo, it's Buck wanted to ask you about the
reports on Abrams tanks possibly being provided to Ukraine by
the US. A lot of the people you're you're speaking now,
we're listening all across the country served in a Rock
and Afghanistan. We have a lot of veterans in this audience,
a lot of active duty military, and I hear from
them all all the frequently about their concerns that we're
(20:44):
getting deeper and deeper into the Ukraine fight. Where one,
do you think the Abrams tank should be provided? And
then where would you draw the line on us support
for the fight against Russia. Well, two things. I do
think that that equipment should be providing if Ukrainians can
make use of it and it can help them push
(21:05):
back against invasion by Vladimir Puttin, it's in America's best
interest to do so. They haven't asked for. To your point,
I'm a veteran troop I served as a young soldier
and then East German Communist border. I worry about American
getting too deeply involved. But the best way to keep
American soldiers from having to fight in Europe or to
fight against Russia or China any pikes, is to make
(21:25):
sure that when there's an authoritarian invades a place like Ukraine,
and they haven't asked for the eighty second Airborne, they
haven't asked Promotorized Raffle Division. All they said is can
you send us stuff? We ought to provide them with
the stuff that we can that they can use, that
they can be trained on, that are actually going to
deliver against the mission set. It's the only way to
end Putin's invasion of Europe. Secretary Pompeo a lot of
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talk lately about twenty twenty four, who's running, what the
time frame is to run, If you are going to
run for president, when would you announce? And are you
exploring running for president it now? So my wife and
I are praying about it, trying to figure out if
this is the next place for us to go serve.
As for timeline, we kind of think the Lake Spring
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early summer is probably when she and I will have
to turn from prayer to action and we decide to
get in head to Iowa and New Hampshire's af Carolina
to make our case to the American people and if
not find where it is, will next surphy if not
an elected office. So that we're so good about Yeah,
so so far. Donald Trump is in. Does that impact
your thinking in any way given that you were a
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Secretary of State and served at the CIA under him?
Or is it not even about who else is running?
From your determination now it has nothing to do with
who else. Ritns mother Prindent Biden Rins defarm at President
Trump or whomever in the end, you must come to
believe that this is the time and you have something
that you can not only offer the American people in
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terms of a policy agenda that delivers good outcomes for them,
but that you have the tenacity that where the capability
to actually deliver on those promises. If you believe those
two things and it all works as a personal matter,
you have an obligation to go make the kings and then,
like the American people, start it all out being a
Mike Pompeo, former CI director of former Secretary of State
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under Trump, and his book is out today, so our
timing here on Clanbuck is always as excellent. Never Given
Inch is the book, and a Secretary Pompeio, I kind
of ask you because it's always fun whenever I see
a book come out from from somebody on our side
of things, to see what the media focus is on
right away and they are drilling down into it's all
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over Twitter. Oh my gosh. Have you seen Mike Pompeo's book,
which I guess in a sense this is kind of
an unintentional advertisement they're doing. Have you seen his book
Never Given Inch? Because of what he says about the
murdered journalist Jamal Kashogi. Well, the secretary, what did you say?
And why are they all so upset about it? Oh goodness,
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I don't know. I don't know what they're so upset about.
The Washingtons has had an obsession about this. When I
was in office, we made very clear the murder of
Jamaica Shogi was nasty, it was heinous, which was sumptions
thirteen Saudis for what they did. But we also knew
that that person's life wasn't more important than the lives
of Americans, life of American soldiers who were protecting us,
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and we weren't about to give up the partnership with
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that was helping us keep
the American economy going, keeping American security going. You can
see what happens when you flipped the script prosen Biden said, oh,
this is a prionation. He immediately had to go on
bended knee to the Kingdom and Austin to produce just
a little more crude oil. For we did not for
a moment mistake the fact that this was a bad act.
But we did not for a moment forget the putting
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America first was what really mattered most, and keeping America's
secure men, keeping a relationship, a security relationship and a
diplomatic relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the
United States Secretary Poonpeo. There's a big debate now still
ongoing about where COVID came from. You have worked in
the CIA, you certainly served as Secretary of State. Do
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you think it's a settled question? What's your own opinion
about where COVID came from? Was it a lab leak
or was this a natural animal evolution of a virus.
It's largely settled question. This virus came from a laboratory
where they were working on the virus and others like
it in Wuhan, China, and it leaked accidentally from that lab,
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and then the Chinese Commnist Party knowingly sent that virus
across the world when it was inside of human beings
on airplane, and they killed millions of people as a
result of that decision. So what consequences should there be
on China? And what do you think about people like
doctor Fauci who are still saying, oh, I don't believe
the lab leak theory happened. If you're correct, and I
(25:47):
agree with you that this was a lab leak and
that China tried to cover it up and also then
basically spread this virus all over the world. It seems
like there should be really severe consequences for them. And
it also seems like it's kind of an important discussion
to be having in the United States and not have
somebody like doctor Fauci wagging his finger and saying the
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evidence doesn't support this and how dare you even raise
it as an issue. Well, the second one's easy, and
doctor Faucci got this wrong from the beginning. Seen its
debates on gain A function research is angles on the
head of a pan. The truth is he knew that
America was funding gain a function research in the laboratories
in China. I can't explain why he's chosen it that
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perhaps it's money. I don't truly know, but I know this.
I know he's wrong. I know that with near certainty
that it came from that lab. You should know that
lab is still up and operating and conducting the same
kind of research it did before this thing leaked. Who
knows when we will see that again. Which really gets
your second question is what should the penalty be how
should we respond to that. There are lots of pieces
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to this. The challenge of the Chinese Commist Party far
extends beyond, far beyond the challenge of the Wuhan virus,
and we have four forty years allowed the Chinese Communist
Party to be at war with US, at least economic war,
and we've turned the energy. One of the things I'm
most proud of that I did a secondary state is
we confronted the Chinese Communist Party in a serious way.
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We understood its ideology, we understood its economic motive, and
we began to put real restrictions on their capacity to
do harm to the American people. Secretary State Pompeio, appreciate
you joining us to talk to us about all this,
and people should go check out the book Never Give
an Informer Secretary Pompei I appreciate you, sir, gentlemen, thank you.
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they haven't had to call an all out stop to
air traffic in a little while, so I guess the
Biden's got that going forward tomorrow. Oh man, I forgot
about that one. Sorry, you you blame me when your
flight's delayed four hours because you know, not enough diversity
and inclusion seminars have been completed by you know, the
(30:08):
FAA or something. But Pete Buddha Judge is out there
telling everybody. Remember, he's transportation secret I think it's fair
to say the most consequential think about that term, though,
the most consequential transportation secretary in recent memory. I'm saying
he's good, but he certainly had consequences. Yeah, very much
(30:29):
about transportation secretaries in the past, because everything just kind
of worked and so it didn't matter. It's it's an
interesting argument. You'd have to go back quite a ways
to be able to or you have to ask a
lot of people for them to even be able to
rattle off a transportation secretary. I think. By the way, Langley,
the George HW. Bush Intelligence Center is also right next
to the Federal Highway Administration. So there's that for those
(30:52):
of you who've ever had a tour of CIA headquarters.
I didn't even I don't know Federal Highway Administration. I
used to joke around, you know, that's that's where the
real secret stuff's actually happening. Langley was all just a front.
You know, it's like many even tour you can take
a tour of the CIA. Uh, they used to do them.
They don't really do them. I don't know. They kind
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of go back and forth on it. It's obviously super limited.
You basically can like press sometimes will go into the
lobby or they have portraits of the former directors, the
stars on the wall for fallen officers. But like that's it,
you know, you're not you're not like hanging out with
everybody in me that you could even walk around Langley
like I wouldn't think. I know, you can tour the FBI.
I've done the FBI tour before, but that's not really
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on its own camp. It's right down town. You have
on its own campus. They have a couple of internal
spy museums at the CIA where they have things, you know,
World War two era oss stuff and things like that.
So I think, you know, they're very limited tours you
can do. But it's not, No, they don't. They don't bust.
It's not like the Bronx Zoo. They're not sending bus
(31:54):
loads of kids out there to you know, to go
check out did you get adrenaline? Rusha's working at the CIA,
like where you were like, oh, like this is because
people tend to have it. And I'll say this, people
think when you practice a law that it's all like
a time to kill, you know, and when they think
of lawyers, and most of the time you're just like
sitting in front of a computer pushing a button, you know,
like over and over again to scroll through emails. So
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I'm just curious. Very similar, yeah, very similar reality. I
used to say to people that being a CIA analyst,
which is what I was doing, and there's other jobs,
case officers, a very prominent role the people often will
think of. It's written about a lot of books and
talked about. But to be a CIA analyst, which is
what Jack Ryan was very handsome, played by Harrison Ford
(32:37):
and now by John Krasinski. Just putting that out. Ben
Affleck I think also played him right, Ben Affleck. So
you know, handsome CI analysts with great hair who live
in Georgetown. That's like a thing. That's a thing that happens,
but you know, it's it's I used to tell people
it's eighty percent mundane, ten percent particularly crappy, and ten
percent legitimately cool and badassy. So eighty percent of your
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hours are doing things that you're like, well, you know,
I could be like I could be working in mutual
of omaha. You know, it's paperwork, it's meeting, that's whatever.
Some of the training stuff you get to do. And
then obviously going overseas it's a whole lot more interesting
and you see a side of the world. I love reading,
You love reading. So the information that you've got to
learn and have access to is itself interesting. But the
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job of a CIA analyst is like the job of
an analyst in anywhere else, massive amounts of information absorption
and then synthesis into small usable bytes, in this case
for the policy community. But it is it's a reading
and writing job. Like, yeah, I did get weapons training
and stuff, but it's really a reading and writing job,
which is really very similar to being a lawyer, right,
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Like you're basically just synthesize arguments and try to and
a little bit of what we do here, right, there's
a voluminous amount of data that comes in every single
day and we try to make sense of it for
the larger or community. Yeah, being an intelligence officer I
was to joke around people is actually very good training
for being a doing media, being a writer, journalism. It's
all very very similar. Back to Pete Boute judge for
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a second here, though, because the most now increasingly, I
think you could say, incompetent secretary of Transportation that anybody
can remember is out there reminding everyone that every decision
about transportation is a climate change decision, Play twenty four.
But we're looking at investments that are fair, that contribute
to equitable economic growth. We're looking at climate impacts, because
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every transportation decision in the twenty first century is a
climate decision, whether we recognize it or not. And thankfully,
because we have such a big investment, you don't have
to look at which states got funds from this infrastructure
law and which ones didn't. Every single state, I believe,
we're already over three thousand bridges. So we're making sure,
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whether they're talking about big projects like this or smaller communities,
that every part of America sees the benefit, because frankly,
every part of America has a need. Just notice that
whenever someone starts using the term equity and climate and
climate equity and these things altogether, this is the language
of the modern day American commissar sort of like in
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the Soviet Union, when there's always talk of the revolution
and the need for the workers and all that stuff.
Equity climate. This is the secular religion of America today,
and Pete Buddha Judge is one of its priests. I
think that's well said. I'm also genuinely curious about what
his future is. So he's not a very good Transportation secretary.
(35:35):
He's relocated to Michigan. There's obviously a Senate seat that
is opening in Michigan. But if you ran for the
Senate and lost, it would certainly dent his ambitions going forward.
He probably in the back of his mind thinks, Okay,
I'm going to run against Kamala and beat her in
twenty eight, because we think Biden's going to run in
(35:56):
twenty four. But is he going to be Transportation secretary
for eight years? I gotta say I think. I think
in a head to head matchup, I think Kamala Harris
for the Democrat nomination beats Pete Voda Judge. I think
Pete Buddha Judge has a zero percent chance of being
nominated because he's gay. And I don't mean that because
I think there's some massive anti gay sentiment in the
(36:17):
country that I prevent him from being elected. I mean
him getting the Democrat nomination because there's lots of black
guys that aren't going to vote for a gay white
guy to be the nominee for the Democrat Party. And
it's like they won't talk about it, but you look
at the data, he didn't get any support from minority voters.
Pete mayor Pete is the woke white liberal selection right.
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A lot of woke white people like him, but it
doesn't actually connect with the huge percentage of the overall electorate.
I think he'd probably have to be VP, and then
maybe he's Kamala's VP, and we have the diversity inclusion
ticket officially out there for twenty twenty eight. The converse
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