June 21, 2021 • 36 mins
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Governor DeSantis blowing it out in Clay's GOP 2024 Twitter straw poll. Democrats hate DeSantis because he stood up to Faucism and managed his state best during the pandemic. Callers on Ron DeSantis. Clay, the lawyer, analyzes the big Supreme Court ruling that deals with the NCAA athletes and their ability to earn money. More on DeSantis, Trump and the straw poll, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Day one, flying by already. Thank you so much for
being here with us. The number if you want to
call in, and we'd love taking calls eight hundred two
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how we make the magic happen. Oh stories. We're gonna
get to in just a second to give you a
sense of where we are going on this on this
train today. Ncublea with a big change in its future
thanks to the Supreme Court, and I got I think
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the best person in the country possibly would talk about
this with mister Clay Travis here, So we're gonna be
getting to that in just a moment. And then also
the World Health Organization on vaccinations for those under eighteen
warnings about a delta COVID variant. We'll get oh no, oh,
my gosh, another variant, Doctor Fauci. We'll get into all
that coming up in a minute. But first we promised
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you polling data, and Clay has it for us. Yeah,
I want to give you some background here, so appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. By the way,
I hope you enjoyed the first hour. There will be
a podcast a lot of you out there asking that
question already, and by the way, you want to get
your reactions here as well. One eight hundred two eight
to two eight eight two. We're just talking about death
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Scantists trending on Twitter and the degree to which Ron
de Santis has become one of the major targets I
would say of the media sort of industrial complex. And
one reason is because I think there's a lot of
fear over the state of Florida and how well the
Santists did using actual science as opposed to the science
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of the Fauci stooges to run his state, maintain the economy,
allow for normalcy of life to exist. And by the way,
there's lots of states. I know you were in New York, Buck,
I would have my mind living in New York City
during all of this. I'm fortunate I live in Nashville,
born and raised here in this city where we're doing
the show. State of Tennessee in general was wide open. Texas, Florida, Georgia.
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There's a lot of states out there that managed to
stay open, the Red states. But there's a fear because
thanks to federalism, we can look at the data, and
the data is telling us a pretty clear story what
New York and California did, shutting down all the businesses,
shutting basically the states down, kids still not in school.
It didn't make any sense. It's worth looking at the
twelve month mark now if you were just reverse In
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June of twenty twenty, the great heroes, oh said, the
great heroes of the pandemic were Andrew Cuomo, the governor
of New York, who has had a whole bunch of problems,
including the pushing of COVID positive seniors into nursing homes,
then covering it up, and then covering it up some more,
as well as a whole slew of inappropriate comments to
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female subordinate. He kept his job, though, which is fascinating,
not yet surprising. And then you had also Gavin Newsom
out in California, who's got this recall effort against him.
And what everyone has seen since then is the heroes
from the beginning based on media narrative when it comes
to COVID and lockdowns have now turned into if you
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look at the data, the villains of the lockdowns and
Governor Ron de Santis, we owe him so much, Clay,
and you were an early believer in asking questions even
before we were doing the show together, asking questions about
lockdowns and whether they really had the science on their side.
De Santis is responsible for holding the line against the
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Fauchiite madness in a way that affected the whole country.
And God, if you want to know the importance of
a governor election, imagine if Andrew Gillham had De Santis
only won the state of Florida by thirty thousand votes.
You think about Stacy Abraham's lost by fifty thousand in Georgia.
Brian Kemp kept Georgia open thirty thousand votes to Santists
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won over Andrew gill them in Florida. Without that, even
with our great federalism laboratories in all fifty states, we
wouldn't have the data in Florida because Florida would have
done I think what California did and what New York did,
Buck and so DeSantis is writing high now that we've
seen this data, and there is a straw pole that
was out there the I'm reading from this. The Western
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Conservative Summit had a non part as an approval voting
poll result, and these were the five candidates that they
found to be. They had thirty candidates poll Democrats and Republicans,
the five that were the most popular Ron De Santis,
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Mike Pompeo, and Tim Scott in
that order. Now, Twitter only allows us to put up
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four of these nominees because you can only vote on
four different options in a Twitter poll. You can go
vote in this right now if you would like to
at Clay Travis and what I wrote was and we
retweeted it. I'd encourage you to go follow us as
well at Clay and Buck and if you want to
drive left idiots crazy, you can help make hashtag Clay
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and Buck trend which I think there's probably a good
chance we can get that trending if you just use
the hashtag hashtag Clay and Buck talk about whatever we're
discussing on this show. Most recent polls four options Ronda Santis,
Donald Trump, Ted Cruise, Mike Pompeo. Have you looked at
the results yet Buck, No, I want him to be
in a surprise. There's the audience. But I have a feeling.
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All right, I'm gonna ask you what you think the
numbers are there now over twenty five thousand of you
out there who have voted in our poll. Those were
the four options based on that straw poll that was done.
These were the four highest ranking Ronda Santis, Donald Trump,
Ted Cruise, Mike Pompeo. I asked you, I asked the
question of the audience out there, who would be your
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top pick of those four if you had to pick
a nominee for twenty twenty four. Right now, that's the
poll question. Twenty five thousand, over twenty five thousand people
have voted in the first hour, first forty five minutes. Actually,
who do you think? What do you think the results
are showing? Well, there was the straw pole. Just so
everyone knows, over the weekend, that's one so we took.
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We We're not saying these are the top four in
our opinion. This is coming straight out of the straw pole,
the top four from the straw pole. And I believe
that straw pole also showed, you know, numbers that the
way they set it up, it was would you be
willing to support the following right, So it's a little
bit different methodology, not that I'm not a number Scott,
but it's gonna be clear for everybody the four most
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popular on the list, because some people are gonna be like, oh,
you're inflating the results, like why no, no, no no, We're
taking the foremost popular and just putting them in a
pole to see who would these. In our audience right now,
twenty five thousand of you have voted who would you support?
I think that the number one on this and I
have not Clay can attest to because we're sitting around
next each other. I have not seen. I think that
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Ronda Santis is winning, but just by a little over
Donald Trump. That's that's the smart man's bet. Based on
the data I've seen so far. Where are we over
twenty five thousand votes, Ronda Santis seventy two percent of
the vote? Wow, Donald Trump twenty three percent, Ted Cruz
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two percent, Mike Pompeo three percent. So according to this audience,
you retweeted it, I tweeted it. All of you out
there listening to us right now have the same ability
to go vote. You can go vote at Clay Travis.
You can go vote at Clay and Buck. You can
go vote at Buck Sexton. If you go to any
of those Twitter accounts, you will see this poll, these
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four options, and we now have had over twenty five
thousand of you vote in the first forty five minutes,
a pretty representative sample. Twenty five thousand, maybe over one
hundred thousand will end up voting. I want as many
people to vote as possible, although you don't have to
show any there's no voting controversy here that we're aware of.
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That's a pretty big number. I mean, does that surprise you?
That is surprising. I thought it would look. DeSantis obviously
has the political wind at his back right now on
the right, and we see this, and this is why
I think it's important even to cover some of these
stories like the death scantists trending on Twitter, because the
same mania everyone needs to remember. They tried. I feel
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like I bring up the name Mitt Romney on the
show and I can already hear the booze. But they
turned Mitt Romney into a high school bully who abused
his dog and gave people cancer. In the twenty twelve election.
If they can do that to Mitt Romney, who's about
as you know, as as dangerous and on the edges
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ned Flanders from the Simpsons, that very good analogy, they
can do that to absolutely anybody, So get ready for
that whole. I don't know how many Lord of the
Rings fans there are, but the eye of Sauron is
going to start moving from two Descantists. Yes, and a
sixty minute story of me was a perfect representation of
that for those of you who missed it, because it
was totally false. The idea was that Descantists had sold
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to publics because of one hundred thousand dollars donation, some
sort of untoward relationship as it retained the vaccine distribution,
which was one hundred percent wrong and dishonestly they took
a out of context quotes from him, which it was
just a fundamentally flawed story. But to me what it
represented was, oh, this is a sign that the shift
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from trying to destroy Trump has now shifted over to
Rond de Santis. And I just want everyone to be
prepared for this because you may have thought that this
that that machinery of propaganda and destruction that has been
arrayed against Trump and anybody who was too vocally supportive
US a little bit before the eye of Sauron will
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find its way to the Clay and Buck Show if
it has not already, but that same approach from the media,
you can already see it at this early stage with
the attacks on Ron de Santis and just also in general.
Because de Santis became he's at the forefront of the
questioning of fauciism and standing athwart the lunacy of like
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mask mania, And because of that, there's going to be
a Soviet style rewriting of history that occurs between now
and the midterms about who did what during the pandemic,
who the real heroes of the pandemic were. When it
comes to politicians, I know that we could say first
responders and people that are of course that's true on
doctors and nurses, but if you're looking at who made
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the right decisions, there's going to be there's so much
political importance behind this that you're going to be and
it's one of the reasons why I think the show
is so important. Cliff I may say, so, yeah, people
are going to be lied to by those who benefit
from the lie. And even when they're caught in the media.
Desantists is going to be one of the primary targets,
but there'll be others. It doesn't matter because their purpose
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is activism. The purpose is not reportage. Yeah, and I
think what scares people about Desantists right now, And obviously
he's still got to win reelection in twenty twenty two
in Florida in order to be a viable big time
candidate in twenty twenty four is he's got the combativeness
of Trump with the logical background of a Harvard law
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grad and governance skills. I mean, really, look what he's done.
If he's done a phenomenal's job, done a phenomenal job
in one of our nation's most difficult states to run.
When we come back, we're going to take your calls.
I want Mike and Denver, Colorado, he'll lead us off.
We want you to react to that poll result. Does
that surprise you? DeSantis monstrously ahead. You can go vote
again yourself at Clay Travis, at Clay and Buck and
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Rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Wherever you
are across this great country or this great Lanne, thank
you for hanging out with us. We're talking about what
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I think it's fair to say, Buck, poll results that
would you call them stunning to you relative to your expectation? Absolutely,
I mean that that would not I can tell you this.
I don't think that would have been the poll result
even close to it three or six months ago. Yeah,
I think there's a real momentum right now for descent as.
We got to come up with a you know, Ronnie
Ronnie d I mean whatever whatever his name is gonna be.
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He's got some wind at his back. The exact opposite
of death Santis is Ron de Santis's vibe. Right now
now we're telling people to go vote, and over thirty
thousand of you have now voted. These were the four
top vote getters in terms of approval in the most
recent Conservative West Wing I think it is the West
Side of the Country straw pole that they did. Ron
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de Santis with thirty voting. Encourage you to go vote
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but it is the Clay and Buck show. But again,
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Ron de Santis with a massively Donald Trump in second place.
A lot of you want to react, and we're gonna
go first to the phones, by the way, phone number
one eight hundred two, eight to two, eight eight two,
if you want to weigh in. Mike in Denver, Colorado, Hi,
Clay and Buck, thank you so much for taking my
Callum in congratulations on the new show, obviously, Um and
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I just had a quick comment today, Um, can you
hear me? Okay, yeah, go for it. Okay, great. Well,
first of all, it's so great to be here today
for your very first show, and I want to say
I'm so excited for kind of this next chapter in
radio history. And also, um, you know what you said
about this being a show that we'll what younger people, um,
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express their views without having this judgment that comes from
the mainstream media, because you know, I can tell you
for a fact, Um, I'm a millennial. I'm twenty five,
and there is so many of us out there, you know,
being millennials and gen z that have these conservative values
and we don't want to be censored. But you know,
like you said, if we post something that goes against
this less narrative, we will be judged, we will be censored,
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and we will be taken off Twitter and Facebook due
to this this cancel culture, you know. And I mean
you know, I've lost some really good friends over some
of you know, my views on these things. And you know,
growing up, um, it was people like Russia Limbob always
gave us a voice. And um, you know the reason
I think Rush cared so much about Trump and what
Trump stood for is because Trump really cared for freedom.
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And you know, yeah, Mike Trump Trump fights. That was
that was a big, a big jam. By the way,
I'm I am technically Mike, just you know, I am
technically a millennial. So we share that. I think I'm
the oldest possible millennio you can be. I like to
infer of myself as a great beard millennial, but I
am technically in that category. And so we'll certainly be
trying to speak to folks who have that sense that
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you know, they're not looking around and seeing a culture
that represents their values or not even just represents their values,
as you point out, will allow them to have a
different point of view, will allow them to say what
they want to say without being censored on social media.
I was getting beat up. I'm sure, Clay, you were
too right. I'm getting beat up for COVID stuff. And
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I was right by the way I said things like
they're going to demand two masks. No, you can't say that,
you know, Facebook, you know, pushing me down. Oh, wearing
masks outdoors is stupid and not backed up by science.
Oh you can't say that. Turned out I was right,
yeah about these things, and I know that there are
others who have felt the same way. But Mike from Denver,
great to have you and now and Marie in Chappaqua,
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Clinton Country right is indeed Chappaqua, New York. And Marie,
what's going on? Hi, guys, good luck to you with
your show. Sounds great. Um, I wanted to comment on
the polling that's been that you're doing with DeSantis and Trump.
I think a lot of voters want a Trump like
candidate to take charge and do what he says, type
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of person like Donald Trump. But I think a lot
of his supporters would love to have him back, but
don't want the hundreds of investigations that Congress will bring
forward and you know where nothing will get done. Although
it was amazing what Trump was able to accomplish despite
all those investigations, I think there's just a lot of
weariness of the constant battle with Congress, if that is,
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if Congress stays Democrat and with mainstream media. So I
think that's why they're looking for that change. Because DeSantis
has been a politician and he's been vetted, so he
knows a Marie. I think that's true. I mean, he
understands the situation in a way that somebody who's been
in that role and it's spend years in politics. Cam
we'll get more into the Santa. Thanks for calling it
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We're gonna get some calls. And then I have to
tell you Clay is going to dive into this earthquake
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that has gone through the NC double a courtesy of
the Supreme Court, not five four, not seven two nine zero,
a slapdown from on high in the court in DC.
So we'll get to that in a moment, but first
we have mantras in Virginia. Mantras you're on the Clay
Travis and Bucks Exton show him. I was gonna say
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hi there, I'm gonna say they'll ask caller that you
had on there as she was concerned about you know,
any if if Trump was on there, if they don't
want any buddy to have to go through what Trump
did you know with the Democrats did in the persecution
that he went through, if he's learned anything from Listman
over the years to Russian even personally, the Democrats will
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do that to anybody who was a conservative. I think
you're correct. I was getting at that with Romney, and
by the way, I would I would add mantras that
and the Remember the Bush administration. People often forget this.
There was a special counsel in the Bush administration that
the only reason it existed was to get either Carl
Rover Dick Cheney. That was why they set up with
the name league. Remember that people always forgot this. Now
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Democrats always get a special counsel Clay to go after
their preferred targets. I think we're in an era where
everybody's going to get impeached, where everybody's going to get
investigated to the high heavens, which is why to me,
you need somebody who's going to be a fighter, because
this idea of oh if I just a milk toast
if I don't really say anything to offend people. I mean,
to your point, Mitt Romney looks like the guy who
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is in the photo of every frame that you buy,
right Like, he looked like a model that is totally
inoffensive that you would be like, oh, I could put
that on my counter. I'm more likely to buy this
picture frame. And they tried to destroy met Ramy, whoever
you are. And I think, by the way, it's politics
in general, you're gonna get lit up in a degree
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that I don't think it matters if you were Jesus
Christ and you were running for president of the United States,
you would get destroyed. He's not married, what does her No, No,
I'm just saying, what is he claiming that he's gonna make?
You know? Uh? I don't buy into this, uh into
this uh idea that he's never sinned. I don't buy
into this Last Supper. What are you talking about with
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the fishes and the loaves and all this stuff. I
mean you there's a great video I think some of
these political consultants put together one time where they attack
to Jesus as if you know, he were the worst
human being who'd ever lived. Instead of the best human
being who'd ever lived. Right, But that's the world that
we're in now, and so it doesn't matter who you are,
Saint Center, it's all the same mantras. I think you're correct, Clay.
You got somebody else up on the board. Yeah. And
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in Naples, Virginia, Naples, sorry, Naples, Florida, she is in
Ron DeSantis territory. And when we put up the poll
results for the question, did it surprise you that DeSantis
had as much support as he did and what's it
been like for you living in Naples as one of
his constituents, it did not surprise me at all. And
after good afternoon, gentlemen, it did not surprise me at all.
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As a homeschool mother to millennials. He has hit on
something that patriot Parents dot Org has also hit on,
which is fighting against the indoctrination of our children. And
he is the line between what is right to do
and what the Democrats are doing wrong in the other states.
And with an example like that, and the fact that
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he is a fighter and he is intelligent, we concede
already that he would be upholding the values of those
of us who embrace the fact that everyone's created equal,
and we can't have race wars again, I said, and
you know, and I think you're pointing out some important stuff,
which is that Ron de Santis. You know, Clay, it's
not even we've been talking with the COVID thing a lot,
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but protection from big tech at the state level, getting
rid of CRT, keeping the schools open, which I know
falls under the overall anti lockdown mentality. But there are
some things that he's done that are really important for that,
And there's a reason why so many of my fellow
New Yorkers are in number. Is not seen in my
lifetime heading down to the Sunshine State. Not only that,
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I mean you talk about keeping schools open and every
kid sports, which are obviously we're a huge part of things.
How about the decision that he's fighting right now with
the cruise ships over not allowing people to have to
be vaccinated to get on a cruise ship. And it
seems like he's winning there. He got a big court
decision on Friday in his favor. Obviously, so many of
these cruise ships leave from ports in the state of Florida.
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Let's want to be transition there too. Because you said
big court decision, Clay, yeah, So I feel like this
is a big one, especially for the folks out there
who care about college sports, which I would guess a
large percentage of this audience. I couldn't. We can't do
a Paul Matt right now, but I'm guessing it's it's
almost like a dissentist level support when it comes to
people watching college sports. I just want to tell folks
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what happened, and then I'm gonna let Clay explain why
this is a big deal. I can't say the Biden
version of it's a big deal. Okay, So, the Supreme
Court of the United States has unanimously affirmed a ruling
today that provides for an incremental increase in how college
athletes can be compensated and also opens the door. This
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on the ESPN dot com right now also opens a
door for future legal challenges that could deal a much
more significant blow to the NCAA's current business model. Clay nine, Oh, slapdown.
Why does this matter so much? So? Big picture, what
I have argued for years is I'm a robust capitalist, right.
I believe in the market. I want you and me
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and all of you out there with us to make
as much money off of our talents as we possibly can.
That's what's so strange about the way that college athletics
is set up right now, Buck, Because your talents, in
particular in football and men's basketball, which is where all
the money is made, you aren't able to compensate be
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compensated for your own talents. So it can lead to
ridiculous situations. And I'll give you an example. A lot
of people probably are familiar with the name Johnny Manziel,
won the Heisman Trophy, played at Texas A and M
went on and was a first round draft pick. Did
not have a great NFL career. When he was in college,
when he showed up at class or when he was
around campus, people would show up with sports illustrated magazines
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with his picture on the front and ask him to
sign those. As soon as he signed those, they would
then take him and put them on eBay, put them
on wherever they could sell them hundreds of dollars. You
or me could have shown up on that college campus
with those magazines, taken it to Johnny Manziel, gotten his autograph,
sold it for as much money as the mark was
willing to pay for it. If Johnny Manziel himself sold
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his autograph he was not eligible to play college football.
Give you another example. Todd Gurley, good running back played
for the Rams, played at the University of Georgia. He
sold his own jersey that he got for a bowl game,
his own jersey that he wore that he was not
going to wear again, that was his property, and some
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cleats that were old that he was not going to
wear anymore autographed him. They found out that he did that,
he was suspended. I believe it was six games. I
think everybody out there listening right now is wait, wait
a minute. These guys, the Johnny Manziel's and Todd Gurley's
of the world, didn't even have the right to make
money off of their own autograph. But if somebody else
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got their autograph, they could immediately sell. That does not
strike most people as being a responsible and fair and
just in America, in a country that embraces capital as
in marketplaces, doesn't seem right. So this lawsuit effectively challenged
the overall consensus benefits that were going to athletes, and
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it was determined to violate antitrust law. Now, this is
just the first domino that is starting to knock down
all the other dominoes. Right. The big significant factor here,
I would say, is what Brett Kavanaugh. Remember Brett Kavanaugh,
the guy that all the Blue Checkmark Brigade members out
there were furious that Brett Kavanaugh could ever become a
Supreme Court just lied about this guy a lot. By
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the way, well that's something we will relitigate here on
the show sometimes, which is that the stuff they did
to Kavanaugh should be a reminder to everybody. They could
do it to anybody in your background. Brett Kavanaugh filed
a concurring opinion. This was a gorse such opinion nine oh,
as you mentioned. But this, this paragraph I think is
particularly significant from Brett Kavanaugh writing in a concurring opinion.
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And by the way, people out there who are like,
why does your I do have a law degree as well?
So I used to say on my sports talk radio show,
let me put my lawyer hat on here and sort
of analyze this from a legal perspective. Why it matters
to me? This is the essence of not only thinking
about what the news is now, but thinking about how
the news is going to go in the future. This
is Brett Kavanaugh, to be sure, the NC double a
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and its member colleges maintain important traditions that have become
part of the fabric of America. Game days in Tuscaloosa
and South ben the pack Gems in Stores and Durham.
The Women's and men's lacrosse championships on Memorial Day weekend,
track and field meets in Eugene, the spring Softball and
Baseball World Series in Oklahoma City and Omaha. By the way,
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that's going on right now. It's fantastic college World Series.
The list goes on. But those traditions alone, and I'm
reading from Brett Kavanaugh his concurring opinion, cannot justify the
NC Double a's decision to build a massive money raising
enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not
fairly compensated. Nowhere else in America can businesses get away
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with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market
rate on the theory that their product is defined by
not paying their workers a fair market rate. And under
ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why
college sports should be any different. The NC Double A
is not above the law. The big story here, Buck
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is I think the NC doublea's days are numbered in
the NC double A, of course, manages all college athletics,
and there are going to be so many lawsuits that
spiral out of this because basically, in college athletics there's
only really two sports that produce revenue in a profitable
and only a small percentage of schools overall too. That's right,
men's basketball and football, and a small minority, tiny like
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one or two, the Yukon women sometimes the University of
Tennessee women. Big women's basketball programs might break even or
make a little bit of money, but all the money
comes from the Ohio States, the Alabama's, the Oklahomas of
the War Old rolling all of their cash, primarily from football,
into the rest of the college athletic ecosystem. So the
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challenge here, and this gets really complicated, but under Title nine,
male athletes and female athletes have to be the same
number of scholarships but also receive all the same benefits.
So in theory, in this socialistic system, the starting quarterback
for the Alabama Crimson Tide has the same value as
a women's lacrosse player. We know that's not true in reality,
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but they get the same benefits. How is that going
to play out going forward? It is a monumental and
a massive question. And the Supreme Court saying that right
now the NC DOUBLEA is violating antid dress law puts
the NCUBLEA on the short list here. I think in
terms of what it's long term longevity is going to be,
it's gonna be quite a thing. When women's field hockey
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is saying we want an eighty we want an eighty
thousand person stadium and salaries and benefits too, There's no
doubt that's going to happen. And there may be some
questions out there if people want to ask any questions
about this, because it is kind of a complex issue.
You can weigh in there as well. One eight hundred
two eight to two eight eight to encourage you guys
to go vote in our poll. Question Clay Travison Buck
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Sexton Show. When we come back, we'll unpack maybe a
little bit more of that story will also start to pivot. Buck.
We can't trust the WHO, but guess what they came
out with an interesting statement as it pertains to kids
and vaccination. You mean doctor Fauci may not have gotten
everything right. Once again, the side of heavens. The science
is pretty fascinating. We'll talk about this sum as we
(31:31):
move into the third hour, I've got three boys. What
do I think about vaccinating kids? Will tell our stories
about covid. I think we both have covid antibodies right now.
What do we think about the vaccines? All that and more.
We will discuss latest news from the who continue to
unpack that Supreme Court decision as well. This is a
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. All that still to
come in the final hour fifteen. Thanks for hanging with us.
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First show ever, going pretty well so far. I think
this is our show. Welcome back to the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. I don't think we should be
allowed to have so much fun on our first day,
but this is how it's going in here. We're at Jinx.
It's just we still got an hour just flying by.
Usually the first day is all you know. Here, here
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is your pass to get in, you know, where's the restaurants,
all that stuff. We're actually doing a show, so this
is fantastic. We got lines lit all over the place.
Two eight I'm sorry, eight hundred two eight to two
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eight eight two. We want to call in. We got
lines letter. We will get to a whole bunch of stories,
including the World Health Organization guidance on vaccines for those
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under eighteen, big thing there, and doctor Fauci. But let's
get to Buddy in Kentucky first. Up here, out of
the gate, Buddy, what's up? Hey, gentlemen, Just I'm not
gonna allow too. Yeah, I was expecting to tune into
a different program today. I'm out in my car, but
I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation and the insight you guys
(32:56):
are bringing today. I'm gonna June back in. Um, thank
you so much, no problem. Um, I wanted to talk
a little bit. We've all talked about and everybody knows
what Trump derangement syndrome is, and um, you know, that's
easily defined. But I think what a lot of us
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people who are who are patriots and who are uh
that love our country and love our flag. I think
a lot of us are suffering from what I call
t FS, which is Trump fatigue syndrome. Um, all of us,
a lot of me and my friends are are love
the policies and the ideas of putting America first, and um,
(33:40):
you know, making sure that you know that we have
equality and uh and you know in the United States,
but you know, the media is such a de facto
left our propaganda wing of the Democratic Party, it would
it's almost going to be impossible for the Donald Trump
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to be on top of the ticket again, because if
you thought it was bad before, it will be ten
times what it was before. So, I mean they tried
to prevent him from running again. To give you a
sense of Yah, it's an interesting point, buddy. Thanks. Like well,
I hear that from a lot of people that they
of what Trump got to and I mean by that
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the conclusions that he reached, but they felt like he
sometimes left himself open to attacks, the way that he
used Twitter, the way that he was sometimes I would say,
the bull in the China Shop impact just Santis to me,
I think for people out there who may be willing
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to be voting for him in our poll. And if
you're just curious right now where this conversation is coming from.
The most recent straw Pole had rhnd to Santis, Donald Trump,
Ted Cruz, and Mike Pompeo as the four most popular
Republican candidates potentially for twenty twenty four. So we put
up a poll question. Nearly forty thousand of you have
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voted so far, and just a little bit over an
hour to vote. You can go vote at Clay Travis.
You can follow me there, you can follow Buck sexon
at Buck Sex, and you can follow the show at
Clay and Buck Rod de Santis. Right now, seventy percent
of the vote, Donald Trump twenty six percent, Ted Cruz
two and Mike Pompeo two. Again, forty thousand votes. I
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think that says a lot of folks. So we're going
to continue to get to lines here in a second.
I know we've got every line lit, so we'll get
to that in the next hour. We also have a story,
a couple of stories about COVID about vaccination. Should your
under eighteen year old get vaccinated? Well, the World Health
Organization has some thoughts on that that you should hear.
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the best person in the country possibly would talk about
this with mister Clay Travis here, So we're gonna be
getting to that in just a moment. And then also
the World Health Organization on vaccinations for those under eighteen
warnings about a delta COVID variant. We'll get oh no, oh,
my gosh, another variant, Doctor Fauci. We'll get into all
that coming up in a minute. But first we promised
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you polling data, and Clay has it for us. Yeah,
I want to give you some background here, so appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. By the way,
I hope you enjoyed the first hour. There will be
a podcast a lot of you out there asking that
question already, and by the way, you want to get
your reactions here as well. One eight hundred two eight
to two eight eight two. We're just talking about death
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Scantists trending on Twitter and the degree to which Ron
de Santis has become one of the major targets I
would say of the media sort of industrial complex. And
one reason is because I think there's a lot of
fear over the state of Florida and how well the
Santists did using actual science as opposed to the science
(01:49):
of the Fauci stooges to run his state, maintain the economy,
allow for normalcy of life to exist. And by the way,
there's lots of states. I know you were in New York, Buck,
I would have my mind living in New York City
during all of this. I'm fortunate I live in Nashville,
born and raised here in this city where we're doing
the show. State of Tennessee in general was wide open. Texas, Florida, Georgia.
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There's a lot of states out there that managed to
stay open, the Red states. But there's a fear because
thanks to federalism, we can look at the data, and
the data is telling us a pretty clear story what
New York and California did, shutting down all the businesses,
shutting basically the states down, kids still not in school.
It didn't make any sense. It's worth looking at the
twelve month mark now if you were just reverse In
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June of twenty twenty, the great heroes, oh said, the
great heroes of the pandemic were Andrew Cuomo, the governor
of New York, who has had a whole bunch of problems,
including the pushing of COVID positive seniors into nursing homes,
then covering it up, and then covering it up some more,
as well as a whole slew of inappropriate comments to
(02:56):
female subordinate. He kept his job, though, which is fascinating,
not yet surprising. And then you had also Gavin Newsom
out in California, who's got this recall effort against him.
And what everyone has seen since then is the heroes
from the beginning based on media narrative when it comes
to COVID and lockdowns have now turned into if you
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look at the data, the villains of the lockdowns and
Governor Ron de Santis, we owe him so much, Clay,
and you were an early believer in asking questions even
before we were doing the show together, asking questions about
lockdowns and whether they really had the science on their side.
De Santis is responsible for holding the line against the
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Fauchiite madness in a way that affected the whole country.
And God, if you want to know the importance of
a governor election, imagine if Andrew Gillham had De Santis
only won the state of Florida by thirty thousand votes.
You think about Stacy Abraham's lost by fifty thousand in Georgia.
Brian Kemp kept Georgia open thirty thousand votes to Santists
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won over Andrew gill them in Florida. Without that, even
with our great federalism laboratories in all fifty states, we
wouldn't have the data in Florida because Florida would have
done I think what California did and what New York did,
Buck and so DeSantis is writing high now that we've
seen this data, and there is a straw pole that
was out there the I'm reading from this. The Western
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Conservative Summit had a non part as an approval voting
poll result, and these were the five candidates that they
found to be. They had thirty candidates poll Democrats and Republicans,
the five that were the most popular Ron De Santis,
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Mike Pompeo, and Tim Scott in
that order. Now, Twitter only allows us to put up
(04:42):
four of these nominees because you can only vote on
four different options in a Twitter poll. You can go
vote in this right now if you would like to
at Clay Travis and what I wrote was and we
retweeted it. I'd encourage you to go follow us as
well at Clay and Buck and if you want to
drive left idiots crazy, you can help make hashtag Clay
(05:03):
and Buck trend which I think there's probably a good
chance we can get that trending if you just use
the hashtag hashtag Clay and Buck talk about whatever we're
discussing on this show. Most recent polls four options Ronda Santis,
Donald Trump, Ted Cruise, Mike Pompeo. Have you looked at
the results yet Buck, No, I want him to be
in a surprise. There's the audience. But I have a feeling.
(05:24):
All right, I'm gonna ask you what you think the
numbers are there now over twenty five thousand of you
out there who have voted in our poll. Those were
the four options based on that straw poll that was done.
These were the four highest ranking Ronda Santis, Donald Trump,
Ted Cruise, Mike Pompeo. I asked you, I asked the
question of the audience out there, who would be your
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top pick of those four if you had to pick
a nominee for twenty twenty four. Right now, that's the
poll question. Twenty five thousand, over twenty five thousand people
have voted in the first hour, first forty five minutes. Actually,
who do you think? What do you think the results
are showing? Well, there was the straw pole. Just so
everyone knows, over the weekend, that's one so we took.
(06:05):
We We're not saying these are the top four in
our opinion. This is coming straight out of the straw pole,
the top four from the straw pole. And I believe
that straw pole also showed, you know, numbers that the
way they set it up, it was would you be
willing to support the following right, So it's a little
bit different methodology, not that I'm not a number Scott,
but it's gonna be clear for everybody the four most
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popular on the list, because some people are gonna be like, oh,
you're inflating the results, like why no, no, no no, We're
taking the foremost popular and just putting them in a
pole to see who would these. In our audience right now,
twenty five thousand of you have voted who would you support?
I think that the number one on this and I
have not Clay can attest to because we're sitting around
next each other. I have not seen. I think that
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Ronda Santis is winning, but just by a little over
Donald Trump. That's that's the smart man's bet. Based on
the data I've seen so far. Where are we over
twenty five thousand votes, Ronda Santis seventy two percent of
the vote? Wow, Donald Trump twenty three percent, Ted Cruz
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two percent, Mike Pompeo three percent. So according to this audience,
you retweeted it, I tweeted it. All of you out
there listening to us right now have the same ability
to go vote. You can go vote at Clay Travis.
You can go vote at Clay and Buck. You can
go vote at Buck Sexton. If you go to any
of those Twitter accounts, you will see this poll, these
(07:28):
four options, and we now have had over twenty five
thousand of you vote in the first forty five minutes,
a pretty representative sample. Twenty five thousand, maybe over one
hundred thousand will end up voting. I want as many
people to vote as possible, although you don't have to
show any there's no voting controversy here that we're aware of.
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That's a pretty big number. I mean, does that surprise you?
That is surprising. I thought it would look. DeSantis obviously
has the political wind at his back right now on
the right, and we see this, and this is why
I think it's important even to cover some of these
stories like the death scantists trending on Twitter, because the
same mania everyone needs to remember. They tried. I feel
(08:09):
like I bring up the name Mitt Romney on the
show and I can already hear the booze. But they
turned Mitt Romney into a high school bully who abused
his dog and gave people cancer. In the twenty twelve election.
If they can do that to Mitt Romney, who's about
as you know, as as dangerous and on the edges
(08:30):
ned Flanders from the Simpsons, that very good analogy, they
can do that to absolutely anybody, So get ready for
that whole. I don't know how many Lord of the
Rings fans there are, but the eye of Sauron is
going to start moving from two Descantists. Yes, and a
sixty minute story of me was a perfect representation of
that for those of you who missed it, because it
was totally false. The idea was that Descantists had sold
(08:53):
to publics because of one hundred thousand dollars donation, some
sort of untoward relationship as it retained the vaccine distribution,
which was one hundred percent wrong and dishonestly they took
a out of context quotes from him, which it was
just a fundamentally flawed story. But to me what it
represented was, oh, this is a sign that the shift
(09:17):
from trying to destroy Trump has now shifted over to
Rond de Santis. And I just want everyone to be
prepared for this because you may have thought that this
that that machinery of propaganda and destruction that has been
arrayed against Trump and anybody who was too vocally supportive
US a little bit before the eye of Sauron will
(09:37):
find its way to the Clay and Buck Show if
it has not already, but that same approach from the media,
you can already see it at this early stage with
the attacks on Ron de Santis and just also in general.
Because de Santis became he's at the forefront of the
questioning of fauciism and standing athwart the lunacy of like
(09:59):
mask mania, And because of that, there's going to be
a Soviet style rewriting of history that occurs between now
and the midterms about who did what during the pandemic,
who the real heroes of the pandemic were. When it
comes to politicians, I know that we could say first
responders and people that are of course that's true on
doctors and nurses, but if you're looking at who made
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the right decisions, there's going to be there's so much
political importance behind this that you're going to be and
it's one of the reasons why I think the show
is so important. Cliff I may say, so, yeah, people
are going to be lied to by those who benefit
from the lie. And even when they're caught in the media.
Desantists is going to be one of the primary targets,
but there'll be others. It doesn't matter because their purpose
(10:42):
is activism. The purpose is not reportage. Yeah, and I
think what scares people about Desantists right now, And obviously
he's still got to win reelection in twenty twenty two
in Florida in order to be a viable big time
candidate in twenty twenty four is he's got the combativeness
of Trump with the logical background of a Harvard law
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grad and governance skills. I mean, really, look what he's done.
If he's done a phenomenal's job, done a phenomenal job
in one of our nation's most difficult states to run.
When we come back, we're going to take your calls.
I want Mike and Denver, Colorado, he'll lead us off.
We want you to react to that poll result. Does
that surprise you? DeSantis monstrously ahead. You can go vote
again yourself at Clay Travis, at Clay and Buck and
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Rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Wherever you
are across this great country or this great Lanne, thank
you for hanging out with us. We're talking about what
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I think it's fair to say, Buck, poll results that
would you call them stunning to you relative to your expectation? Absolutely,
I mean that that would not I can tell you this.
I don't think that would have been the poll result
even close to it three or six months ago. Yeah,
I think there's a real momentum right now for descent as.
We got to come up with a you know, Ronnie
Ronnie d I mean whatever whatever his name is gonna be.
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He's got some wind at his back. The exact opposite
of death Santis is Ron de Santis's vibe. Right now
now we're telling people to go vote, and over thirty
thousand of you have now voted. These were the four
top vote getters in terms of approval in the most
recent Conservative West Wing I think it is the West
Side of the Country straw pole that they did. Ron
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de Santis with thirty voting. Encourage you to go vote
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but it is the Clay and Buck show. But again,
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Ron de Santis with a massively Donald Trump in second place.
A lot of you want to react, and we're gonna
go first to the phones, by the way, phone number
one eight hundred two, eight to two, eight eight two,
if you want to weigh in. Mike in Denver, Colorado, Hi,
Clay and Buck, thank you so much for taking my
Callum in congratulations on the new show, obviously, Um and
(14:41):
I just had a quick comment today, Um, can you
hear me? Okay, yeah, go for it. Okay, great. Well,
first of all, it's so great to be here today
for your very first show, and I want to say
I'm so excited for kind of this next chapter in
radio history. And also, um, you know what you said
about this being a show that we'll what younger people, um,
(15:01):
express their views without having this judgment that comes from
the mainstream media, because you know, I can tell you
for a fact, Um, I'm a millennial. I'm twenty five,
and there is so many of us out there, you know,
being millennials and gen z that have these conservative values
and we don't want to be censored. But you know,
like you said, if we post something that goes against
this less narrative, we will be judged, we will be censored,
(15:24):
and we will be taken off Twitter and Facebook due
to this this cancel culture, you know. And I mean
you know, I've lost some really good friends over some
of you know, my views on these things. And you know,
growing up, um, it was people like Russia Limbob always
gave us a voice. And um, you know the reason
I think Rush cared so much about Trump and what
Trump stood for is because Trump really cared for freedom.
(15:48):
And you know, yeah, Mike Trump Trump fights. That was
that was a big, a big jam. By the way,
I'm I am technically Mike, just you know, I am
technically a millennial. So we share that. I think I'm
the oldest possible millennio you can be. I like to
infer of myself as a great beard millennial, but I
am technically in that category. And so we'll certainly be
trying to speak to folks who have that sense that
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you know, they're not looking around and seeing a culture
that represents their values or not even just represents their values,
as you point out, will allow them to have a
different point of view, will allow them to say what
they want to say without being censored on social media.
I was getting beat up. I'm sure, Clay, you were
too right. I'm getting beat up for COVID stuff. And
(16:31):
I was right by the way I said things like
they're going to demand two masks. No, you can't say that,
you know, Facebook, you know, pushing me down. Oh, wearing
masks outdoors is stupid and not backed up by science.
Oh you can't say that. Turned out I was right,
yeah about these things, and I know that there are
others who have felt the same way. But Mike from Denver,
great to have you and now and Marie in Chappaqua,
(16:51):
Clinton Country right is indeed Chappaqua, New York. And Marie,
what's going on? Hi, guys, good luck to you with
your show. Sounds great. Um, I wanted to comment on
the polling that's been that you're doing with DeSantis and Trump.
I think a lot of voters want a Trump like
candidate to take charge and do what he says, type
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of person like Donald Trump. But I think a lot
of his supporters would love to have him back, but
don't want the hundreds of investigations that Congress will bring
forward and you know where nothing will get done. Although
it was amazing what Trump was able to accomplish despite
all those investigations, I think there's just a lot of
weariness of the constant battle with Congress, if that is,
(17:36):
if Congress stays Democrat and with mainstream media. So I
think that's why they're looking for that change. Because DeSantis
has been a politician and he's been vetted, so he
knows a Marie. I think that's true. I mean, he
understands the situation in a way that somebody who's been
in that role and it's spend years in politics. Cam
we'll get more into the Santa. Thanks for calling it
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from New York and just a moment coming up play
will tell you all about out this big Supreme Court
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We're gonna get some calls. And then I have to
tell you Clay is going to dive into this earthquake
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that has gone through the NC double a courtesy of
the Supreme Court, not five four, not seven two nine zero,
a slapdown from on high in the court in DC.
So we'll get to that in a moment, but first
we have mantras in Virginia. Mantras you're on the Clay
Travis and Bucks Exton show him. I was gonna say
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hi there, I'm gonna say they'll ask caller that you
had on there as she was concerned about you know,
any if if Trump was on there, if they don't
want any buddy to have to go through what Trump
did you know with the Democrats did in the persecution
that he went through, if he's learned anything from Listman
over the years to Russian even personally, the Democrats will
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do that to anybody who was a conservative. I think
you're correct. I was getting at that with Romney, and
by the way, I would I would add mantras that
and the Remember the Bush administration. People often forget this.
There was a special counsel in the Bush administration that
the only reason it existed was to get either Carl
Rover Dick Cheney. That was why they set up with
the name league. Remember that people always forgot this. Now
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Democrats always get a special counsel Clay to go after
their preferred targets. I think we're in an era where
everybody's going to get impeached, where everybody's going to get
investigated to the high heavens, which is why to me,
you need somebody who's going to be a fighter, because
this idea of oh if I just a milk toast
if I don't really say anything to offend people. I mean,
to your point, Mitt Romney looks like the guy who
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is in the photo of every frame that you buy,
right Like, he looked like a model that is totally
inoffensive that you would be like, oh, I could put
that on my counter. I'm more likely to buy this
picture frame. And they tried to destroy met Ramy, whoever
you are. And I think, by the way, it's politics
in general, you're gonna get lit up in a degree
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that I don't think it matters if you were Jesus
Christ and you were running for president of the United States,
you would get destroyed. He's not married, what does her No, No,
I'm just saying, what is he claiming that he's gonna make?
You know? Uh? I don't buy into this, uh into
this uh idea that he's never sinned. I don't buy
into this Last Supper. What are you talking about with
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the fishes and the loaves and all this stuff. I
mean you there's a great video I think some of
these political consultants put together one time where they attack
to Jesus as if you know, he were the worst
human being who'd ever lived. Instead of the best human
being who'd ever lived. Right, But that's the world that
we're in now, and so it doesn't matter who you are,
Saint Center, it's all the same mantras. I think you're correct, Clay.
You got somebody else up on the board. Yeah. And
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in Naples, Virginia, Naples, sorry, Naples, Florida, she is in
Ron DeSantis territory. And when we put up the poll
results for the question, did it surprise you that DeSantis
had as much support as he did and what's it
been like for you living in Naples as one of
his constituents, it did not surprise me at all. And
after good afternoon, gentlemen, it did not surprise me at all.
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As a homeschool mother to millennials. He has hit on
something that patriot Parents dot Org has also hit on,
which is fighting against the indoctrination of our children. And
he is the line between what is right to do
and what the Democrats are doing wrong in the other states.
And with an example like that, and the fact that
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he is a fighter and he is intelligent, we concede
already that he would be upholding the values of those
of us who embrace the fact that everyone's created equal,
and we can't have race wars again, I said, and
you know, and I think you're pointing out some important stuff,
which is that Ron de Santis. You know, Clay, it's
not even we've been talking with the COVID thing a lot,
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but protection from big tech at the state level, getting
rid of CRT, keeping the schools open, which I know
falls under the overall anti lockdown mentality. But there are
some things that he's done that are really important for that,
And there's a reason why so many of my fellow
New Yorkers are in number. Is not seen in my
lifetime heading down to the Sunshine State. Not only that,
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I mean you talk about keeping schools open and every
kid sports, which are obviously we're a huge part of things.
How about the decision that he's fighting right now with
the cruise ships over not allowing people to have to
be vaccinated to get on a cruise ship. And it
seems like he's winning there. He got a big court
decision on Friday in his favor. Obviously, so many of
these cruise ships leave from ports in the state of Florida.
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Let's want to be transition there too. Because you said
big court decision, Clay, yeah, So I feel like this
is a big one, especially for the folks out there
who care about college sports, which I would guess a
large percentage of this audience. I couldn't. We can't do
a Paul Matt right now, but I'm guessing it's it's
almost like a dissentist level support when it comes to
people watching college sports. I just want to tell folks
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what happened, and then I'm gonna let Clay explain why
this is a big deal. I can't say the Biden
version of it's a big deal. Okay, So, the Supreme
Court of the United States has unanimously affirmed a ruling
today that provides for an incremental increase in how college
athletes can be compensated and also opens the door. This
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on the ESPN dot com right now also opens a
door for future legal challenges that could deal a much
more significant blow to the NCAA's current business model. Clay nine, Oh, slapdown.
Why does this matter so much? So? Big picture, what
I have argued for years is I'm a robust capitalist, right.
I believe in the market. I want you and me
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and all of you out there with us to make
as much money off of our talents as we possibly can.
That's what's so strange about the way that college athletics
is set up right now, Buck, Because your talents, in
particular in football and men's basketball, which is where all
the money is made, you aren't able to compensate be
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compensated for your own talents. So it can lead to
ridiculous situations. And I'll give you an example. A lot
of people probably are familiar with the name Johnny Manziel,
won the Heisman Trophy, played at Texas A and M
went on and was a first round draft pick. Did
not have a great NFL career. When he was in college,
when he showed up at class or when he was
around campus, people would show up with sports illustrated magazines
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with his picture on the front and ask him to
sign those. As soon as he signed those, they would
then take him and put them on eBay, put them
on wherever they could sell them hundreds of dollars. You
or me could have shown up on that college campus
with those magazines, taken it to Johnny Manziel, gotten his autograph,
sold it for as much money as the mark was
willing to pay for it. If Johnny Manziel himself sold
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his autograph he was not eligible to play college football.
Give you another example. Todd Gurley, good running back played
for the Rams, played at the University of Georgia. He
sold his own jersey that he got for a bowl game,
his own jersey that he wore that he was not
going to wear again, that was his property, and some
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cleats that were old that he was not going to
wear anymore autographed him. They found out that he did that,
he was suspended. I believe it was six games. I
think everybody out there listening right now is wait, wait
a minute. These guys, the Johnny Manziel's and Todd Gurley's
of the world, didn't even have the right to make
money off of their own autograph. But if somebody else
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got their autograph, they could immediately sell. That does not
strike most people as being a responsible and fair and
just in America, in a country that embraces capital as
in marketplaces, doesn't seem right. So this lawsuit effectively challenged
the overall consensus benefits that were going to athletes, and
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it was determined to violate antitrust law. Now, this is
just the first domino that is starting to knock down
all the other dominoes. Right. The big significant factor here,
I would say, is what Brett Kavanaugh. Remember Brett Kavanaugh,
the guy that all the Blue Checkmark Brigade members out
there were furious that Brett Kavanaugh could ever become a
Supreme Court just lied about this guy a lot. By
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the way, well that's something we will relitigate here on
the show sometimes, which is that the stuff they did
to Kavanaugh should be a reminder to everybody. They could
do it to anybody in your background. Brett Kavanaugh filed
a concurring opinion. This was a gorse such opinion nine oh,
as you mentioned. But this, this paragraph I think is
particularly significant from Brett Kavanaugh writing in a concurring opinion.
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And by the way, people out there who are like,
why does your I do have a law degree as well?
So I used to say on my sports talk radio show,
let me put my lawyer hat on here and sort
of analyze this from a legal perspective. Why it matters
to me? This is the essence of not only thinking
about what the news is now, but thinking about how
the news is going to go in the future. This
is Brett Kavanaugh, to be sure, the NC double a
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and its member colleges maintain important traditions that have become
part of the fabric of America. Game days in Tuscaloosa
and South ben the pack Gems in Stores and Durham.
The Women's and men's lacrosse championships on Memorial Day weekend,
track and field meets in Eugene, the spring Softball and
Baseball World Series in Oklahoma City and Omaha. By the way,
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that's going on right now. It's fantastic college World Series.
The list goes on. But those traditions alone, and I'm
reading from Brett Kavanaugh his concurring opinion, cannot justify the
NC Double a's decision to build a massive money raising
enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not
fairly compensated. Nowhere else in America can businesses get away
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with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market
rate on the theory that their product is defined by
not paying their workers a fair market rate. And under
ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why
college sports should be any different. The NC Double A
is not above the law. The big story here, Buck
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is I think the NC doublea's days are numbered in
the NC double A, of course, manages all college athletics,
and there are going to be so many lawsuits that
spiral out of this because basically, in college athletics there's
only really two sports that produce revenue in a profitable
and only a small percentage of schools overall too. That's right,
men's basketball and football, and a small minority, tiny like
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one or two, the Yukon women sometimes the University of
Tennessee women. Big women's basketball programs might break even or
make a little bit of money, but all the money
comes from the Ohio States, the Alabama's, the Oklahomas of
the War Old rolling all of their cash, primarily from football,
into the rest of the college athletic ecosystem. So the
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challenge here, and this gets really complicated, but under Title nine,
male athletes and female athletes have to be the same
number of scholarships but also receive all the same benefits.
So in theory, in this socialistic system, the starting quarterback
for the Alabama Crimson Tide has the same value as
a women's lacrosse player. We know that's not true in reality,
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but they get the same benefits. How is that going
to play out going forward? It is a monumental and
a massive question. And the Supreme Court saying that right
now the NC DOUBLEA is violating antid dress law puts
the NCUBLEA on the short list here. I think in
terms of what it's long term longevity is going to be,
it's gonna be quite a thing. When women's field hockey
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is saying we want an eighty we want an eighty
thousand person stadium and salaries and benefits too, There's no
doubt that's going to happen. And there may be some
questions out there if people want to ask any questions
about this, because it is kind of a complex issue.
You can weigh in there as well. One eight hundred
two eight to two eight eight to encourage you guys
to go vote in our poll. Question Clay Travison Buck
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Sexton Show. When we come back, we'll unpack maybe a
little bit more of that story will also start to pivot. Buck.
We can't trust the WHO, but guess what they came
out with an interesting statement as it pertains to kids
and vaccination. You mean doctor Fauci may not have gotten
everything right. Once again, the side of heavens. The science
is pretty fascinating. We'll talk about this sum as we
(31:31):
move into the third hour, I've got three boys. What
do I think about vaccinating kids? Will tell our stories
about covid. I think we both have covid antibodies right now.
What do we think about the vaccines? All that and more.
We will discuss latest news from the who continue to
unpack that Supreme Court decision as well. This is a
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. All that still to
come in the final hour fifteen. Thanks for hanging with us.
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First show ever, going pretty well so far. I think
this is our show. Welcome back to the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. I don't think we should be
allowed to have so much fun on our first day,
but this is how it's going in here. We're at Jinx.
It's just we still got an hour just flying by.
Usually the first day is all you know. Here, here
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is your pass to get in, you know, where's the restaurants,
all that stuff. We're actually doing a show, so this
is fantastic. We got lines lit all over the place.
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eight eight two. We want to call in. We got
lines letter. We will get to a whole bunch of stories,
including the World Health Organization guidance on vaccines for those
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under eighteen, big thing there, and doctor Fauci. But let's
get to Buddy in Kentucky first. Up here, out of
the gate, Buddy, what's up? Hey, gentlemen, Just I'm not
gonna allow too. Yeah, I was expecting to tune into
a different program today. I'm out in my car, but
I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation and the insight you guys
(32:56):
are bringing today. I'm gonna June back in. Um, thank
you so much, no problem. Um, I wanted to talk
a little bit. We've all talked about and everybody knows
what Trump derangement syndrome is, and um, you know, that's
easily defined. But I think what a lot of us
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people who are who are patriots and who are uh
that love our country and love our flag. I think
a lot of us are suffering from what I call
t FS, which is Trump fatigue syndrome. Um, all of us,
a lot of me and my friends are are love
the policies and the ideas of putting America first, and um,
(33:40):
you know, making sure that you know that we have
equality and uh and you know in the United States,
but you know, the media is such a de facto
left our propaganda wing of the Democratic Party, it would
it's almost going to be impossible for the Donald Trump
(34:00):
to be on top of the ticket again, because if
you thought it was bad before, it will be ten
times what it was before. So, I mean they tried
to prevent him from running again. To give you a
sense of Yah, it's an interesting point, buddy. Thanks. Like well,
I hear that from a lot of people that they
of what Trump got to and I mean by that
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the conclusions that he reached, but they felt like he
sometimes left himself open to attacks, the way that he
used Twitter, the way that he was sometimes I would say,
the bull in the China Shop impact just Santis to me,
I think for people out there who may be willing
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to be voting for him in our poll. And if
you're just curious right now where this conversation is coming from.
The most recent straw Pole had rhnd to Santis, Donald Trump,
Ted Cruz, and Mike Pompeo as the four most popular
Republican candidates potentially for twenty twenty four. So we put
up a poll question. Nearly forty thousand of you have
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voted so far, and just a little bit over an
hour to vote. You can go vote at Clay Travis.
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of the vote, Donald Trump twenty six percent, Ted Cruz
two and Mike Pompeo two. Again, forty thousand votes. I
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think that says a lot of folks. So we're going
to continue to get to lines here in a second.
I know we've got every line lit, so we'll get
to that in the next hour. We also have a story,
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