June 22, 2021 • 38 mins
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Democrats attempt massive power grab with Orwellian "For the People" Act. Who lies more: journalists or politicians? Left-leaning Monmouth poll shows public overwhelmingly supports voter ID. Graham and Sinema on ending the filibuster. Democrats want to do away with the filibuster. When Democrats smell power, they go for it. Republicans never do. The Senate saucer analogy. Manchin and Sinema will come under enormous pressure from Democrats. Should Herschel Walker run for Senate in Georgia against Raphael Warnock? Walker teases run on social media.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in wherever you may be across
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this great country or this great land. It is the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show and we are off
and running, calling out hypocrisy across the land, having fun
with you. Guys. We appreciate all of you. I don't
want to make it seem like we're struggling at a
high level, but the show is so hot on day
two that the air conditioner is not working in the studio. Yesterday, Buck,
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you made fun of me kind of because I came
in in shorts flip flops. I'm a pretty chill guy,
like a beach vacation. Unbelievable. But today he was prepared.
My friends, it is balmy in the studio, and I
gotta call you out a little bit. We were talking
about how there's no mask requirement. Basically we're doing the
show from Nashville, which is my hometown. You're a New
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York City guy. You've been lockdown for basically sixteen eighteen months.
I'm a lockdown expert, yes, and you are staying in
a hotel that is at most a half mile from
the studio. Yes, you took an Uber. Yeah, of course
you are a New York City guy. You guys walk everywhere.
And in addition to taking an Uber, you got one
of the few ubers in the city of Nashville that
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immediately mandated you put your mask on when you've got
in the car, which I gotta say, I feel like
it's basically letting you know that you should be walking
to the studio from now. By the way, weather perfect
outside seventy five degrees in Nashville in the summer, which
doesn't happen that often, and you were in an uber
with a mask on. I had no choice. Gotta be polite,
Gotta make sure that the folks feel like they don't
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have to worry about COVID even when vaccinated, even at
this stage of the decline of Fauchism. But but I
can I take us to the world of politics for
a moment, mister, mister Travis, because I am concerned that
we may be feeling like things are going too well
in one area right now. The Democrats are trying an
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enormous power grape. You know this, This is this has
been central in fact, from the very beginning of this
Biden administration. They've wanted to make structural changes. They talk
about things like statehood for DC and for Puerto Rico
right statehood. And they want to eliminate the philibus or
why do I want to eliminate the filibuster because they
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want to create a legislative steamroller effect where they can
get whatever they want. I mean, they want amnesty boom
done fifty one votes or fifty plus Kamala as the
vice president as the tiebreaker. Today, Senate Republicans are going
to be blocking the Democrats in the Senate from this election.
However they call it election at Ethics Reform Bill. I
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was not of the impression that our elections were so
polluted and awful that they needed reform in this regard.
But when you actually dig down into what has happened
here and what's actually going on with their efforts, you
see that a lot of this claim. I don't think
this will be a surprise to you. They're lying to
people about where the public actually is on things like
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voter ID. They're lying to people about what it will
actually mean if you federalize elections at this level. So
it's important that Republicans hold this line not only are
they lying and I don't really and I understand it.
There's always this great topic. Remember Brian Williams and Hillary Clinton.
Brian Williams loses his job in the media for lying
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about being under fire in Iraq. He said the exact
same thing that Hillary Clinton said, she lied about being
under fire in Iraq too, And they went and they
looked at the response and they said, well, why did
you hold as a nation, Brian Williams to this standard
that you didn't hold Hillary Clinton too? And it's kind
of an antiquated standard back in the day, Buck, But
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the answer was because people expect politicians to lie. Several
years ago, at least, there was the hope that if
you were a journalist, if you were a media member,
that you would be held to the standard of truth
and honey, remember when the Billy Bush tape came out
with the Access Hollywood with Donald Trump. Billy Bush wasn't
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allowed to work on the Today Show anymore and Donald
Trump got elected president. Right. The disconnect sometimes between the
way that media and politicians get treated based on similar behavior.
So what upsets me is not that politicians lie, because
I think, unfortunately most of us have come to the
realization that politicians often lie, but that this wouldn't be
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a big story. To your point, the data is out
of what the American public actually supports when it comes
to voting bills. Do you do you think that politicians
lie more than journalists, because I would actually I would
argue that journalists are more dishonest now than your stand
ed issue. Politis a good question. I think it used
to be that there was more trust in journalists than
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there was in politicians. I think it is now the
case that there is less trust in journalist. There's not
a lot of trust in politicians or journalists. Like I
remember when you look at the professions that people trust
in the country. I remember I was for a while
when I was practicing law, and then I moved into journalism.
I think lawyer and journalist are the two least trusted
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positions in America. Right. There have been lawyer jokes for decades.
The journal jokes, jerks jokes same thing are just starting now,
no doubt. And also lawyers recognize that we are hired assassins. Right.
If you pay a lawyer enough money, his job or
her job is to argue your side. That's why I
like not practicing lawfull time now because I get to
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look at all the facts and I get to choose
which side I want to argue. I didn't like necessarily
being a hired gun, because you talk to any lawyer
out there. You can look at two sides of a case,
and if you give them five minutes to review it,
they'll be like, oh, I'd choose that side. So I
would argue that journalists are in fact very much the
same as lawyers in this regard, and that people who
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work in the media are all taking orders for a
side for a constituency, and that journalism as a profession
of neutrality and objectivity has always been a farce in
this country. It's just gotten more apparent. I think it's
gotten worse in social media era. And that's an interesting
discussion the difference, I would say between lawyers and journalists.
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Warriors don't pretend that they're doing anything other than advocating
for their client. Journalists, I always like to call them
capital jay journalists, the people who think that they have
the most important job in America. They will argue with
you that the sanctity of truth is their only light,
when in reality it often isn't. But This is what
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a good journalist I think should be doing. They should
be looking at the data from the country as a whole.
This is from Monmouth, right. They do a big poll
dealing with this question of whether or not we trust
a left. They're a little liberal. By the way, monmouthskews left.
Just so we're all so every listening, we're on the
same page. Monmouthskews a little liberal. Okay, So this result
then is even more fascinating. The question was pretty straightforward.
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Do you support or oppose requiring voters to show a
photo ID in order to vote? Eighty percent support it.
That includes buck ninety one percent of Republicans, eighty seven
percent of Independence. Do you know how hard it is
to get eighty seven percent of Independence to agree on anything?
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The numbers continue, sixty two percent of Democrats, seventy seven
percent of white voters, and prepare for your jaw to drop,
eighty four percent of non white voters, eighty one percent
of all voters under fifty thousand dollars a year in income.
And yet every night when you watch not that any
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of you should, but if you watch MSNBC or you
watch CNN, you turn on these shows, you want you
read these newspapers, they will tell you, and this is
the central narrative, that voter ID is racist. They will
say this to you. They'll say that that any effort
to impose voter ID. They'll even you. Remember Joe Biden,
I was, honestly, I'm rarely shocked Clay by how over
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the top and dishonest Democrats are in political discussions. But
when Joe Biden was referring to the Jim Crow of
this Jim Crow two point zero, that felt like, you
guys have got to be kidding me, right, I mean,
this is this is called the filibuster Jim Crows. This
is the same level of stupidity as when there were
there were some Democrats, including Unfortune, the former CIA director,
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who were comparing under the Trump administration the the detention
centers for migrants coming to the country to the Holocaust.
So yeah, it's concentration camps, a level of stupidity beyond
what you would even expect from Democrats. But they keep
saying that it's it's racist, night after night on TV,
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and then as you point out, the data show so
very clearly, folks, I mean, they're just lying, They're just lying.
Absolute This is also fascinating. Buck. Do you know what
you're required to do to get a vaccine for COVID?
Bring a photo ID. I got my email before I
didn't get my vaccine. I was signed up to get
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the one shot because I told my wife i'd get
a shot get the vaccine if three things happened. One
all the people who were severely in danger had had
their right to do it. Two there was a one shot.
Three I didn't have to wait. I'm impatient, so I
had it scheduled. On the day that they pulled the
Johnson and Johnson vaccine, I was scheduled to go get
the vaccine. Right, I got an email Publics, which is
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where I was getting at the local grocery store chain.
The email told me Buck that in order to get
my vaccine, I had to bring a photoid. So we
are a allowing an argument to be made that it
is racist to require a photo ID to vote, but
in order to get this holy Grail vaccine, you have
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to bring a photo ID. Supreme Court's already ruled on this.
By the way, in the past, there's nothing there's nothing
discriminatory or wrong about voter ID, and yet it is
one of the most misrepresented. And why are we we're
not just talking to this because it's we're trying to
have some academic discussion right now. They're trying to make
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it so that you have a federal control. Here's the truth.
You want to know what really happens. If Democrats were
to get their way on this, Republicans are not going
to win another national election for a few years and
maybe forever because after this goes through. If they were
to get let's say they get HR one, which they're
not going to because of cinema the filibuster right now,
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but let's just accelerate this a little bit. If they
were to get their way, and of course you've got
amnesty down the line, and you've got all these things
the Democrats have been promising. They want to do HR
one for the People Act, which is I mean it
does have a kind of Orwellian or Soviet vibe or
the four the People Act. How could you be against that?
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It's the It's the Good People Act. If they get
this clay, they have such an advantage. They use COVID.
Here's what happened the last election cycle. They use COVID
as an excuse to force through under emergency circumstances, everything
that they thought would assist them expanding and I would argue,
in the case of Pennsylvania, I don't care the Supreme
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Court didn't take it up still in an unconstitutional fashion,
expanding the voting parameters and early voting and getting rid
of ID requirements, all this stuff, and now they want
to make it permanent. That's what HR one's all about, which,
by the way, it's really the make Democrats a permanent
majority Act. That's the purpose of this. And I think
we agree, and we talked about this. I'm sure we're
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going to talk about it a lot. Trump wins in
a landslide if COVID doesn't happen. Democrats latched on to
COVID what I call fear porn as a way to
beat Trump in twenty twenty. Now we can talk about
whether that beating in quotation marks ever actually occurred even
with all the parameters that were in place. But you're right,
they want to give themselves a permanent home court advantage.
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For lack of a better way to say it, you
talked about it potentially adding once the other way with
the filibuster. Two seats for Washington d c two seats
for Puerto Rico, also expanding the Supreme Court. I mean,
these are monumentally radical ideas, and we're going to talk
about when we come back. Kristen Cinema and Joe Mansion,
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and I think several other senators in the Democratic Coalition
who haven't been willing to go public yet. But Kristin Cinema,
actually senator from Arizona, called out her own party in
a pretty massive way buck in the Washington Post, and
we're gonna read you some of the lines from that
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argument that she made against ending the filibuster and talk
about why it matters. It was also just a clear
abandoning of principle. It's actually like the Democrats like to
show everybody that whatever they said a year ago, whatever
they said five years ago, irrelevant to where they are now.
As long as they can achieve power, that is the soul.
The unifying goal of Democrats is the relentless pursuit of power.
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The Democrats. I have a plan. They haven't been able
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to get it yet. Kristen cinema senator from Arizona, seems
to be standing in the way, at least for now.
It is going to tell you exactly why she's making
that case. But first, Senator Lindsey Graham, besides that, he
needs to call out what he's seeing here. I light
Joe Mansion a lot, but we had the largest turnout
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in the history of the United States, and states are
in charge of voting in America. So I don't like
the idea of taking the power to redistrict away from
state legislators. You're having people moved from blue states to
red states. Under this proposal. You would have some kind
of commission redraw the new districts, and I don't like that.
I want states where people are moving to have control
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over how to allocate new congressional seat. So as much
as I like Mansion, the answer would be no. In
my view, SR one is the biggest power grab in
the history of the country. It mandates ballot harvesting, no
voter idea. It does away with the states being able
to redistrict when you have population shifts. It's just a
bad idea, and it's a problem that most Republicans are
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not going to sign. They're trying to fix a problem
most Republicans have a different view of So Lindsey Graham
play lays out what this would do, and everyone should know.
These are enormous changes top down from the federal government
to the states, and we really want states to actually
be running their own election procedures for national elections. This
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is what Democrats want. The only reason they can get
it is that they don't yet have the votes. Because
christin Cinema says, not down with this Christian Cinema and
Joe Mansion, and it's worth mentioning to me putting my
lawyer hat on here. Buck. If this bill were to pass,
we would spend years in litigation over whether this bill
is constitutional or not, and we would have all the
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different circuit courts weighing in. We would have all the
Eventually the Supreme Court would have to step in and
decide this thing. It's just a colossal mess. But fortunately
there are enough same people who are at least staying
committed to some aspect of the idea of the filibuster
needing to exist. And I thought that Kristen Cinema, who
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has a piece up that went up yesterday in the
Washington Post. This follows Joe Mansion writing in a local
West Virginia newspaper, basically cutting the legs out from underneath this.
Kristen Cinema says, the headline is we have more to
lose than gain by ending the filibuster. And it's a
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really interesting argument. But in particular, what I thought was
most fascinating about it is she gently, gently calls out
her entire party and says, and I'm reading directly from
her peace in the Washington Post, good faith arguments have
been made both criticizing and defending the Senate's sixty vote threshold.
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I share the belief expressed in twenty seventeen by thirty
one Senate Democrats opposing elimination of the filibuster, a belief
shared by President Biden. While I'm confident, several senators in
my party share that the Senate has not held a
debate on the matter. She drops a bombshell there on
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We're talking about a potential structural challenge to the government
at large. As we just finished the last segment, we
were reading from the Washington Post editorial written by Kristen Cinema,
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a Democratic senator from Arizona, explaining why she opposed the
filibuster being altered and going with a simple majority in
the Senate. We got a lot of people actually who
want to weigh in. You can always call us and
weigh in. Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
And I thought we'd hop on the line here and
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talk to Frank in Merritt Island, Florida. Frank, you have
an interesting take here that I think Buck and I
wanted to explore a little bit. Well, yeah, well, I'm
trying to even wonder about it, But I just think
we should let him kill a filibus and when we
get back in the House and the Senate and the Whitehouse,
they will be totally true. Thanks for call, Frank. There
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are some people out there, Buck, who would make that
argument right, And I think probably what Frank's building on
there is the idea that we saw with the judges
right the Supreme Court, the fact that you change it,
and obviously, Mitch McConnell there's an viral clip where he
says to Harry Reid, you may regret this day. I
think you're going to regret this day and may regret
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it much sooner than you expect, and boom, it ends
up happening obviously in twenty twenty that the Democrats change
the rules and then the Republicans are able to come
in over the top and Trump gets three Supreme Court justices.
But Buck, the downside, here is something we were talking
about off air, and I think it's a pretty coaching argument. Well,
this goes to why conservatives get so frustrated when even
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they have a majority, which we did for least total
majorities for the first two years the Trump administration. Democrats
play wield power. They have an idea, they want to
pursue it, they go for it. Conservatives, as we were
joking around the break, conservatives generally when I say, by
the way, I mean Republicans. Now now we're talking about
elected officials, not the ideology of conservatism GIOPI officials. They
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want to cut taxes. Yes, Democrats, when they have a majority,
want to change the fun to mental structures of government,
change the electoral map, create an amnesty for I know
it's officially eleven million, but ask anybody as I have
a border patrol and it's more like fifteen to twenty
to twenty plus million illegal immigrants in the country. They
want to make sure that they are a permanent majority.
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They don't want this pendulum effect. They don't want they
back and forth. So that's why DC statehood, Puerto Rico statehood,
court packing, these are all things. Supreme court packing. These
are things that we could play clip after clip of
Democrats in the past, including some today, who are saying
that they would do these things, when back when they
were very clear that this would be destabilizing, this would
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be harmful, that there should be some rights for the
political minority. The constitutional checks and balances. They you know,
there's a line. I think it's a Frank Herbert children
of Dude. When I am strong, or rather, when you
are strong, I ask for freedom because that is according
to your principles. When I am strong, I demand obedience
because that is according to my principles. And this is
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the way that Democrats approach politics. When they can get
what they want, they go for it. When they want
to make an argument about balance of powers in the Constitution,
it's not because they actually believe in those things in
a principal sense. It's because they want they want protection
from the very rules that they would implement against the
other side. And that's why I think the filibuster issue
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is so interesting now. I do think Clay that the
Democrats have at least recognized that on the judge side
of things, there's that they did have to deal with
the consequences of that mushroom cloud from the so called
nuclear option. It is such a fascinating question to me,
and that's why reading Kristen Cinema's editorial, as I just
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did a little bit from the Washington Post, she points
out first the hypocrisy here right thirty one Senate Democrats
opposed ending the filibuster in twenty seventeen, including President Biden.
You know then obviously not the president. But what is
so fascinating about this is her real argument is something
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that is ingrained, I think in many different minds out
there in America. What the filibuster maintains and guarantees is
that we don't have massive swings based on who happens
to end up in power in any given year. And
this ties in buck you were talking about. I think,
really sort of interestingly there the argument that you made
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about minority and majority rights. I used to when I
was in constitutional law class. I remember my professor Rebecca
Brown saying democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding
what's for dinner, which is really kind of an interesting
way to think about it. Minority rights matter a great
deal in our government. But you've probably heard this story,
maybe apocryphal over time, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington talking
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about the senatorial saucer. Have you heard this story where
Jefferson would say, why did you Washington asked Jefferson, why
did you pour that coffee into your saucer before drinking
to cool it? My throat is not made of brass.
And the argument is the Senate is the cooling mechanism
in our country, right, And it is such a fascinating
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way to think about it, because if we allow the
Senate to be governed by a fifty fifty tie break
vote by Kamala Harris in either direction, then that Senate saucer,
which is supposed to cool the overall heat of the
temper in this country, I think, threatens to become much
more of a conflagation and make things that much worse
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and that much more heated. We need a little bit
of coolness sometimes in this country, particularly in a social
media era. When you look at sweeping legislation, though I
mean in the last two decades, I think is a
good example of this, putting aside foreign policy and wars
and stuff for a moment domestic sweeping domestic legislation. When
Democrats have the option, they go for it. Yes, when
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Republicans have the option, they make the Senate is the
cool the place for passions to go and cool off
or whatever. The truth is that the Democrat Party of
today is increasingly embracing a whole bunch of different people
called cultural Marxism and racial Marxism and even sometimes economic Marxism,
what I would say is insanity. And as long as
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that's the ethos that they have, they believe in. And
I'm somebody that this goes back to the era where
I had to deal with the Jihadis and the counter
Terrorism Center at the CIA. You know, you should take
you should take opponents seriously and at their word, right,
you should believe them when they say and the radical
left fringe of the Democrat Party is really no longer
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the fringe. They're actually they're drawing comokos, they're driving the bus,
and they want to create a transformation of the country.
They're very open about this. They push this forward. They
want to use the apparatus of the state as a
weapon against their political opponents, which is what goes right
to the insurrection narrative we hear about every day. They
want to use the laws to punish people that they
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don't like for purely political reasons. Mind you, while actual
violent criminals are supposed to be getting recently a pass,
these are revolutionary characteristics. These this comes from people that
really do believe in a fundamental transformation of the country.
So while we sit here and just the factly that
we're even having this debate about getting rid of something
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that has been in existence in the Senate as long
as it has specifically to avoid what they're talking about doing,
just goes to show you that, you know, we're often
defending on our goal line here and thinking that we're
on offense. Well, I think your point is a good one.
To the caller from Florida. There's a difference between a
tax decrease, which may end up getting taken away in
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four years or two years or whatever else, and a
fundamental transformation, because if for instance, Washington, DC and Puerto
Rico became states, they're not going to be unbecoming states. Right, Like,
you can change a tax rate, which what they're trying
to do right now, right, You can change the capital
gains rate, you can change that happens all the time
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throughout history based on who's in a position to power.
But once you give a state senators, you can't unring
that bell. And once you decide that you're going to
have fifteen Supreme Court justices, if that became the law,
you can't suddenly go in and just say, hey, you
six Supreme Court justices, you can't exist anymore. There's a
difference between advocating for a belief that you have which
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may or may not be permanent, which is typically what
Republicans are trying to do, and go out there and
fundamentally alter the trajectory and transformational nature of our government,
which is what would happen if this filibuster did not exist.
You look at what they've wanted from the beginning and
what Joe Biden, I would note, he went from you know,
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Grandpa who's always squinting and acting like he's what's going on.
You know, he's just sort of wandering around. He's got
the handlers who are making sure he doesn't call on
the wrong people at the press conferences. We know how
that goes. You got Joe Biden wandering around during the election,
and of course Trump they made it sound like he
created COVID in you know, Marlago in a lab or something.
I mean, it was all his fault. Yeah, that was
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the approach, that it was racist if you even mentioned
China's response, event's right, And that then transformed very quickly.
The Biden messaging transformed after the election to okay, now
we actually have the trojan horse. You know, the trojan
horse is in the gates of Troy, so to speak,
so we can actually allow the progressive stuff to start
to come out and see what they can get away with.
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You mentioned how there are some things you can't undo,
you can't unring the bell. I think in some ways
the biggest you could roll back the four the People
Act theoretically if you could actually win enough elections to
do it right, to get that majority, which I don't
know if you could do. If it's the legal even
which I which is a big question, espially whether it's
even permissible. It's the federalization of elections, which are supposed
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to be controlled, as we all know, by the States.
But amnesty is I think still the single most obvious
extension of exactly what you're talking about. When you give
people permanent legal status, the chance of you taking that
away is zero. That's that's never going away. And the
Democrats recognize that. Between changing and I look, I almost
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it's like dealing with I don't want to say evil
geniuses because they're not that smart, but maniacal and somewhat
evil strategy here. They see that they only have a
certain period here before they're going to have to run
back to being a little more normal. They gotta put
Grandpa Joe out there to make everyone feel like everything's
going to be cool before the midterms. So it's between
now and the real midterm cycle kicking in that they're
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trying to push and push and push. If they don't
get radical transformation in year one, they might have to
wait until they do a head fake in the mid term,
and maybe not even year one Buck because think about
how often the reason why Democrats have control in the
Senate right now is because of the lack of health.
In Georgia right we had a special election because a
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senator could not fulfill his term. There are a lot
of old people in the United States Senate statistically, if
you look at the data we saw before years and
years ago Jim Jeffords decided to switch parties. I don't
necessarily think a Joe Mansion or a Christen Cinema is
ever going to switch parties. But there's a lot of
unhealthy people in the United States Senate. There's a lot
of people over the age of seventy. So it may
not even be until twenty twenty two until we have
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some sort of health related condition that could arise. And
that's why so much of this is being pushed to
need to happen right now. Why you have the auspices
of the crisis and everything that we're saying right now
about the cooling of the passions in the Senate. The
pressure doesn't stop on mansion on cinema and right now,
sure they're able to and I think they like it.
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Look attention. The Democrats have a have a John McCain
situation here where I think they like the national attention.
And there's there's a lot of it's basically a country.
They're as powerful or more powerful than the press. Then
now think of the amount of pressure and you and
I both know the way. The one thing that Democrats
always do so much better than the other side. It
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drives me insane is all the inducements. Oh it's it's
so sweet to go along with the Democrat machine. Those
book deals waiting for you, those Netflix consulting deals, those professorships,
board seats. You know, that's the stuff that people don't
hear about when you're talking about some of these senators
right now who are who are holding the line for
the filipbuster. All it takes as you get a couple
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of breaks in that damn cracks in the dam, and
we got a whole different ball game all of a sudden.
Speaking of cracks in the dam, Warnuck obviously won an
incredibly close election in Georgia. He's running next year for reelection.
There's a guy who wants to run against him that
sports fans are really familiar with and is maybe the
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biggest legend in any individual state anywhere in the country.
Herschel Walker. Good move or bad move for him to
throw his hat in the Senate ring in Georgia and
potentially upset this fifty fifty mess. We'll discuss that. That's
going to be our poll question in the day that
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fifty Senate. What's going to happen with the filibuster? One
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of the big questions has been given the fact that
he has to run for reelection in twenty twenty two.
Reverend Raphael Warnock, who won a close election in Georgia,
who the Republicans are going to pick to run against
him has become a massive storyline. And one of the
guys that I think would absolutely dominate in the state
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of Georgia is herschel Walker, legendary former running back of
the Georgia Bulldogs. We just saw in the state next Doorbuck,
Tommy Tubberville in Alabama, former Auburn football coach, get elected
and he replaced Doug Jones after the mess with Roy
Moore in that Senate election. I think the same thing
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could happen if herschel Walker ran against Warnock, and herschel
Walker is teasing it in a big way. Listen to
what he posted on social media earlier this week. Hey,
what you hear that? As Holt that's what I call him.
You know he's ready. I'm getting ready, and we can
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run with the big dolls. So herschel Walker the National
Championship running running back for the Georgia Bulldogs, who have
not won a title since he was there. And it's
a video that he put out where he zooms in
on that car, says he's ready to run with the
big dogs and shows a Georgia Wison plate on that car,
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and many people, including me, are taking that as a
sign Donald Trump has tried to encourage him to run. Buck.
Are you at all intrigued by this story? Does herschel
Walker for Senate in any way make sense to you? Well, look,
Kelly Leffler, you remember was appointed. That's right, right, Kelly
Leffler was appointed and then defeated by Raphael Warnock. But
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I think that was a perfect storm of bad timing
for Republicans in Georgia. You had a lot of GOP
on GOP consternation, to put it politely, family show here consternation,
and Trump was obviously getting all the attention because of
the after election traverses and all the debates about what
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happened there. So we lost. I mean the fact that
we lost those two Georgia Senate seats was a gut
punch after getting kicked in the face on election day.
And I think that the next time around you'll see
a far more favorable environment because the great thing about Democrats, Clay,
is the more people have to deal with their actual
results of governance, the more they realize maybe they shouldn't
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actually have them in charge. Also, you won't have Trump
in any way on the ballot, so in twenty twenty two,
you would think that the overall number of people that
would vote would be down. By the way, this is
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My friends, it is balmy in the studio, and I
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show from Nashville, which is my hometown. You're a New
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York City guy. You've been lockdown for basically sixteen eighteen months.
I'm a lockdown expert, yes, and you are staying in
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And in addition to taking an Uber, you got one
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doesn't happen that often, and you were in an uber
with a mask on. I had no choice. Gotta be polite,
Gotta make sure that the folks feel like they don't
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have to worry about COVID even when vaccinated, even at
this stage of the decline of Fauchism. But but I
can I take us to the world of politics for
a moment, mister, mister Travis, because I am concerned that
we may be feeling like things are going too well
in one area right now. The Democrats are trying an
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enormous power grape. You know this, This is this has
been central in fact, from the very beginning of this
Biden administration. They've wanted to make structural changes. They talk
about things like statehood for DC and for Puerto Rico
right statehood. And they want to eliminate the philibus or
why do I want to eliminate the filibuster because they
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want to create a legislative steamroller effect where they can
get whatever they want. I mean, they want amnesty boom
done fifty one votes or fifty plus Kamala as the
vice president as the tiebreaker. Today, Senate Republicans are going
to be blocking the Democrats in the Senate from this election.
However they call it election at Ethics Reform Bill. I
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was not of the impression that our elections were so
polluted and awful that they needed reform in this regard.
But when you actually dig down into what has happened
here and what's actually going on with their efforts, you
see that a lot of this claim. I don't think
this will be a surprise to you. They're lying to
people about where the public actually is on things like
(03:19):
voter ID. They're lying to people about what it will
actually mean if you federalize elections at this level. So
it's important that Republicans hold this line not only are
they lying and I don't really and I understand it.
There's always this great topic. Remember Brian Williams and Hillary Clinton.
Brian Williams loses his job in the media for lying
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about being under fire in Iraq. He said the exact
same thing that Hillary Clinton said, she lied about being
under fire in Iraq too, And they went and they
looked at the response and they said, well, why did
you hold as a nation, Brian Williams to this standard
that you didn't hold Hillary Clinton too? And it's kind
of an antiquated standard back in the day, Buck, But
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the answer was because people expect politicians to lie. Several
years ago, at least, there was the hope that if
you were a journalist, if you were a media member,
that you would be held to the standard of truth
and honey, remember when the Billy Bush tape came out
with the Access Hollywood with Donald Trump. Billy Bush wasn't
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allowed to work on the Today Show anymore and Donald
Trump got elected president. Right. The disconnect sometimes between the
way that media and politicians get treated based on similar behavior.
So what upsets me is not that politicians lie, because
I think, unfortunately most of us have come to the
realization that politicians often lie, but that this wouldn't be
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a big story. To your point, the data is out
of what the American public actually supports when it comes
to voting bills. Do you do you think that politicians
lie more than journalists, because I would actually I would
argue that journalists are more dishonest now than your stand
ed issue. Politis a good question. I think it used
to be that there was more trust in journalists than
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there was in politicians. I think it is now the
case that there is less trust in journalist. There's not
a lot of trust in politicians or journalists. Like I
remember when you look at the professions that people trust
in the country. I remember I was for a while
when I was practicing law, and then I moved into journalism.
I think lawyer and journalist are the two least trusted
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positions in America. Right. There have been lawyer jokes for decades.
The journal jokes, jerks jokes same thing are just starting now,
no doubt. And also lawyers recognize that we are hired assassins. Right.
If you pay a lawyer enough money, his job or
her job is to argue your side. That's why I
like not practicing lawfull time now because I get to
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look at all the facts and I get to choose
which side I want to argue. I didn't like necessarily
being a hired gun, because you talk to any lawyer
out there. You can look at two sides of a case,
and if you give them five minutes to review it,
they'll be like, oh, I'd choose that side. So I
would argue that journalists are in fact very much the
same as lawyers in this regard, and that people who
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work in the media are all taking orders for a
side for a constituency, and that journalism as a profession
of neutrality and objectivity has always been a farce in
this country. It's just gotten more apparent. I think it's
gotten worse in social media era. And that's an interesting
discussion the difference, I would say between lawyers and journalists.
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Warriors don't pretend that they're doing anything other than advocating
for their client. Journalists, I always like to call them
capital jay journalists, the people who think that they have
the most important job in America. They will argue with
you that the sanctity of truth is their only light,
when in reality it often isn't. But This is what
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a good journalist I think should be doing. They should
be looking at the data from the country as a whole.
This is from Monmouth, right. They do a big poll
dealing with this question of whether or not we trust
a left. They're a little liberal. By the way, monmouthskews left.
Just so we're all so every listening, we're on the
same page. Monmouthskews a little liberal. Okay, So this result
then is even more fascinating. The question was pretty straightforward.
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Do you support or oppose requiring voters to show a
photo ID in order to vote? Eighty percent support it.
That includes buck ninety one percent of Republicans, eighty seven
percent of Independence. Do you know how hard it is
to get eighty seven percent of Independence to agree on anything?
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The numbers continue, sixty two percent of Democrats, seventy seven
percent of white voters, and prepare for your jaw to drop,
eighty four percent of non white voters, eighty one percent
of all voters under fifty thousand dollars a year in income.
And yet every night when you watch not that any
(08:00):
of you should, but if you watch MSNBC or you
watch CNN, you turn on these shows, you want you
read these newspapers, they will tell you, and this is
the central narrative, that voter ID is racist. They will
say this to you. They'll say that that any effort
to impose voter ID. They'll even you. Remember Joe Biden,
I was, honestly, I'm rarely shocked Clay by how over
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the top and dishonest Democrats are in political discussions. But
when Joe Biden was referring to the Jim Crow of
this Jim Crow two point zero, that felt like, you
guys have got to be kidding me, right, I mean,
this is this is called the filibuster Jim Crows. This
is the same level of stupidity as when there were
there were some Democrats, including Unfortune, the former CIA director,
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who were comparing under the Trump administration the the detention
centers for migrants coming to the country to the Holocaust.
So yeah, it's concentration camps, a level of stupidity beyond
what you would even expect from Democrats. But they keep
saying that it's it's racist, night after night on TV,
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and then as you point out, the data show so
very clearly, folks, I mean, they're just lying, They're just lying.
Absolute This is also fascinating. Buck. Do you know what
you're required to do to get a vaccine for COVID?
Bring a photo ID. I got my email before I
didn't get my vaccine. I was signed up to get
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the one shot because I told my wife i'd get
a shot get the vaccine if three things happened. One
all the people who were severely in danger had had
their right to do it. Two there was a one shot.
Three I didn't have to wait. I'm impatient, so I
had it scheduled. On the day that they pulled the
Johnson and Johnson vaccine, I was scheduled to go get
the vaccine. Right, I got an email Publics, which is
(09:47):
where I was getting at the local grocery store chain.
The email told me Buck that in order to get
my vaccine, I had to bring a photoid. So we
are a allowing an argument to be made that it
is racist to require a photo ID to vote, but
in order to get this holy Grail vaccine, you have
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to bring a photo ID. Supreme Court's already ruled on this.
By the way, in the past, there's nothing there's nothing
discriminatory or wrong about voter ID, and yet it is
one of the most misrepresented. And why are we we're
not just talking to this because it's we're trying to
have some academic discussion right now. They're trying to make
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it so that you have a federal control. Here's the truth.
You want to know what really happens. If Democrats were
to get their way on this, Republicans are not going
to win another national election for a few years and
maybe forever because after this goes through. If they were
to get let's say they get HR one, which they're
not going to because of cinema the filibuster right now,
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but let's just accelerate this a little bit. If they
were to get their way, and of course you've got
amnesty down the line, and you've got all these things
the Democrats have been promising. They want to do HR
one for the People Act, which is I mean it
does have a kind of Orwellian or Soviet vibe or
the four the People Act. How could you be against that?
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It's the It's the Good People Act. If they get
this clay, they have such an advantage. They use COVID.
Here's what happened the last election cycle. They use COVID
as an excuse to force through under emergency circumstances, everything
that they thought would assist them expanding and I would argue,
in the case of Pennsylvania, I don't care the Supreme
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Court didn't take it up still in an unconstitutional fashion,
expanding the voting parameters and early voting and getting rid
of ID requirements, all this stuff, and now they want
to make it permanent. That's what HR one's all about, which,
by the way, it's really the make Democrats a permanent
majority Act. That's the purpose of this. And I think
we agree, and we talked about this. I'm sure we're
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going to talk about it a lot. Trump wins in
a landslide if COVID doesn't happen. Democrats latched on to
COVID what I call fear porn as a way to
beat Trump in twenty twenty. Now we can talk about
whether that beating in quotation marks ever actually occurred even
with all the parameters that were in place. But you're right,
they want to give themselves a permanent home court advantage.
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For lack of a better way to say it, you
talked about it potentially adding once the other way with
the filibuster. Two seats for Washington d c two seats
for Puerto Rico, also expanding the Supreme Court. I mean,
these are monumentally radical ideas, and we're going to talk
about when we come back. Kristen Cinema and Joe Mansion,
(12:41):
and I think several other senators in the Democratic Coalition
who haven't been willing to go public yet. But Kristin Cinema,
actually senator from Arizona, called out her own party in
a pretty massive way buck in the Washington Post, and
we're gonna read you some of the lines from that
(13:02):
argument that she made against ending the filibuster and talk
about why it matters. It was also just a clear
abandoning of principle. It's actually like the Democrats like to
show everybody that whatever they said a year ago, whatever
they said five years ago, irrelevant to where they are now.
As long as they can achieve power, that is the soul.
The unifying goal of Democrats is the relentless pursuit of power.
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The Democrats. I have a plan. They haven't been able
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to get it yet. Kristen cinema senator from Arizona, seems
to be standing in the way, at least for now.
It is going to tell you exactly why she's making
that case. But first, Senator Lindsey Graham, besides that, he
needs to call out what he's seeing here. I light
Joe Mansion a lot, but we had the largest turnout
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in the history of the United States, and states are
in charge of voting in America. So I don't like
the idea of taking the power to redistrict away from
state legislators. You're having people moved from blue states to
red states. Under this proposal. You would have some kind
of commission redraw the new districts, and I don't like that.
I want states where people are moving to have control
(15:57):
over how to allocate new congressional seat. So as much
as I like Mansion, the answer would be no. In
my view, SR one is the biggest power grab in
the history of the country. It mandates ballot harvesting, no
voter idea. It does away with the states being able
to redistrict when you have population shifts. It's just a
bad idea, and it's a problem that most Republicans are
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not going to sign. They're trying to fix a problem
most Republicans have a different view of So Lindsey Graham
play lays out what this would do, and everyone should know.
These are enormous changes top down from the federal government
to the states, and we really want states to actually
be running their own election procedures for national elections. This
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is what Democrats want. The only reason they can get
it is that they don't yet have the votes. Because
christin Cinema says, not down with this Christian Cinema and
Joe Mansion, and it's worth mentioning to me putting my
lawyer hat on here. Buck. If this bill were to pass,
we would spend years in litigation over whether this bill
is constitutional or not, and we would have all the
(17:02):
different circuit courts weighing in. We would have all the
Eventually the Supreme Court would have to step in and
decide this thing. It's just a colossal mess. But fortunately
there are enough same people who are at least staying
committed to some aspect of the idea of the filibuster
needing to exist. And I thought that Kristen Cinema, who
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has a piece up that went up yesterday in the
Washington Post. This follows Joe Mansion writing in a local
West Virginia newspaper, basically cutting the legs out from underneath this.
Kristen Cinema says, the headline is we have more to
lose than gain by ending the filibuster. And it's a
(17:47):
really interesting argument. But in particular, what I thought was
most fascinating about it is she gently, gently calls out
her entire party and says, and I'm reading directly from
her peace in the Washington Post, good faith arguments have
been made both criticizing and defending the Senate's sixty vote threshold.
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I share the belief expressed in twenty seventeen by thirty
one Senate Democrats opposing elimination of the filibuster, a belief
shared by President Biden. While I'm confident, several senators in
my party share that the Senate has not held a
debate on the matter. She drops a bombshell there on
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We're talking about a potential structural challenge to the government
at large. As we just finished the last segment, we
were reading from the Washington Post editorial written by Kristen Cinema,
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a Democratic senator from Arizona, explaining why she opposed the
filibuster being altered and going with a simple majority in
the Senate. We got a lot of people actually who
want to weigh in. You can always call us and
weigh in. Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
And I thought we'd hop on the line here and
(20:27):
talk to Frank in Merritt Island, Florida. Frank, you have
an interesting take here that I think Buck and I
wanted to explore a little bit. Well, yeah, well, I'm
trying to even wonder about it, But I just think
we should let him kill a filibus and when we
get back in the House and the Senate and the Whitehouse,
they will be totally true. Thanks for call, Frank. There
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are some people out there, Buck, who would make that
argument right, And I think probably what Frank's building on
there is the idea that we saw with the judges
right the Supreme Court, the fact that you change it,
and obviously, Mitch McConnell there's an viral clip where he
says to Harry Reid, you may regret this day. I
think you're going to regret this day and may regret
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it much sooner than you expect, and boom, it ends
up happening obviously in twenty twenty that the Democrats change
the rules and then the Republicans are able to come
in over the top and Trump gets three Supreme Court justices.
But Buck, the downside, here is something we were talking
about off air, and I think it's a pretty coaching argument. Well,
this goes to why conservatives get so frustrated when even
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they have a majority, which we did for least total
majorities for the first two years the Trump administration. Democrats
play wield power. They have an idea, they want to
pursue it, they go for it. Conservatives, as we were
joking around the break, conservatives generally when I say, by
the way, I mean Republicans. Now now we're talking about
elected officials, not the ideology of conservatism GIOPI officials. They
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want to cut taxes. Yes, Democrats, when they have a majority,
want to change the fun to mental structures of government,
change the electoral map, create an amnesty for I know
it's officially eleven million, but ask anybody as I have
a border patrol and it's more like fifteen to twenty
to twenty plus million illegal immigrants in the country. They
want to make sure that they are a permanent majority.
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They don't want this pendulum effect. They don't want they
back and forth. So that's why DC statehood, Puerto Rico statehood,
court packing, these are all things. Supreme court packing. These
are things that we could play clip after clip of
Democrats in the past, including some today, who are saying
that they would do these things, when back when they
were very clear that this would be destabilizing, this would
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be harmful, that there should be some rights for the
political minority. The constitutional checks and balances. They you know,
there's a line. I think it's a Frank Herbert children
of Dude. When I am strong, or rather, when you
are strong, I ask for freedom because that is according
to your principles. When I am strong, I demand obedience
because that is according to my principles. And this is
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the way that Democrats approach politics. When they can get
what they want, they go for it. When they want
to make an argument about balance of powers in the Constitution,
it's not because they actually believe in those things in
a principal sense. It's because they want they want protection
from the very rules that they would implement against the
other side. And that's why I think the filibuster issue
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is so interesting now. I do think Clay that the
Democrats have at least recognized that on the judge side
of things, there's that they did have to deal with
the consequences of that mushroom cloud from the so called
nuclear option. It is such a fascinating question to me,
and that's why reading Kristen Cinema's editorial, as I just
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did a little bit from the Washington Post, she points
out first the hypocrisy here right thirty one Senate Democrats
opposed ending the filibuster in twenty seventeen, including President Biden.
You know then obviously not the president. But what is
so fascinating about this is her real argument is something
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that is ingrained, I think in many different minds out
there in America. What the filibuster maintains and guarantees is
that we don't have massive swings based on who happens
to end up in power in any given year. And
this ties in buck you were talking about. I think,
really sort of interestingly there the argument that you made
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about minority and majority rights. I used to when I
was in constitutional law class. I remember my professor Rebecca
Brown saying democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding
what's for dinner, which is really kind of an interesting
way to think about it. Minority rights matter a great
deal in our government. But you've probably heard this story,
maybe apocryphal over time, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington talking
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about the senatorial saucer. Have you heard this story where
Jefferson would say, why did you Washington asked Jefferson, why
did you pour that coffee into your saucer before drinking
to cool it? My throat is not made of brass.
And the argument is the Senate is the cooling mechanism
in our country, right, And it is such a fascinating
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way to think about it, because if we allow the
Senate to be governed by a fifty fifty tie break
vote by Kamala Harris in either direction, then that Senate saucer,
which is supposed to cool the overall heat of the
temper in this country, I think, threatens to become much
more of a conflagation and make things that much worse
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and that much more heated. We need a little bit
of coolness sometimes in this country, particularly in a social
media era. When you look at sweeping legislation, though I
mean in the last two decades, I think is a
good example of this, putting aside foreign policy and wars
and stuff for a moment domestic sweeping domestic legislation. When
Democrats have the option, they go for it. Yes, when
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Republicans have the option, they make the Senate is the
cool the place for passions to go and cool off
or whatever. The truth is that the Democrat Party of
today is increasingly embracing a whole bunch of different people
called cultural Marxism and racial Marxism and even sometimes economic Marxism,
what I would say is insanity. And as long as
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that's the ethos that they have, they believe in. And
I'm somebody that this goes back to the era where
I had to deal with the Jihadis and the counter
Terrorism Center at the CIA. You know, you should take
you should take opponents seriously and at their word, right,
you should believe them when they say and the radical
left fringe of the Democrat Party is really no longer
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the fringe. They're actually they're drawing comokos, they're driving the bus,
and they want to create a transformation of the country.
They're very open about this. They push this forward. They
want to use the apparatus of the state as a
weapon against their political opponents, which is what goes right
to the insurrection narrative we hear about every day. They
want to use the laws to punish people that they
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don't like for purely political reasons. Mind you, while actual
violent criminals are supposed to be getting recently a pass,
these are revolutionary characteristics. These this comes from people that
really do believe in a fundamental transformation of the country.
So while we sit here and just the factly that
we're even having this debate about getting rid of something
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that has been in existence in the Senate as long
as it has specifically to avoid what they're talking about doing,
just goes to show you that, you know, we're often
defending on our goal line here and thinking that we're
on offense. Well, I think your point is a good one.
To the caller from Florida. There's a difference between a
tax decrease, which may end up getting taken away in
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four years or two years or whatever else, and a
fundamental transformation, because if for instance, Washington, DC and Puerto
Rico became states, they're not going to be unbecoming states. Right, Like,
you can change a tax rate, which what they're trying
to do right now, right, You can change the capital
gains rate, you can change that happens all the time
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throughout history based on who's in a position to power.
But once you give a state senators, you can't unring
that bell. And once you decide that you're going to
have fifteen Supreme Court justices, if that became the law,
you can't suddenly go in and just say, hey, you
six Supreme Court justices, you can't exist anymore. There's a
difference between advocating for a belief that you have which
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may or may not be permanent, which is typically what
Republicans are trying to do, and go out there and
fundamentally alter the trajectory and transformational nature of our government,
which is what would happen if this filibuster did not exist.
You look at what they've wanted from the beginning and
what Joe Biden, I would note, he went from you know,
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Grandpa who's always squinting and acting like he's what's going on.
You know, he's just sort of wandering around. He's got
the handlers who are making sure he doesn't call on
the wrong people at the press conferences. We know how
that goes. You got Joe Biden wandering around during the election,
and of course Trump they made it sound like he
created COVID in you know, Marlago in a lab or something.
I mean, it was all his fault. Yeah, that was
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the approach, that it was racist if you even mentioned
China's response, event's right, And that then transformed very quickly.
The Biden messaging transformed after the election to okay, now
we actually have the trojan horse. You know, the trojan
horse is in the gates of Troy, so to speak,
so we can actually allow the progressive stuff to start
to come out and see what they can get away with.
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You mentioned how there are some things you can't undo,
you can't unring the bell. I think in some ways
the biggest you could roll back the four the People
Act theoretically if you could actually win enough elections to
do it right, to get that majority, which I don't
know if you could do. If it's the legal even
which I which is a big question, espially whether it's
even permissible. It's the federalization of elections, which are supposed
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to be controlled, as we all know, by the States.
But amnesty is I think still the single most obvious
extension of exactly what you're talking about. When you give
people permanent legal status, the chance of you taking that
away is zero. That's that's never going away. And the
Democrats recognize that. Between changing and I look, I almost
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it's like dealing with I don't want to say evil
geniuses because they're not that smart, but maniacal and somewhat
evil strategy here. They see that they only have a
certain period here before they're going to have to run
back to being a little more normal. They gotta put
Grandpa Joe out there to make everyone feel like everything's
going to be cool before the midterms. So it's between
now and the real midterm cycle kicking in that they're
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trying to push and push and push. If they don't
get radical transformation in year one, they might have to
wait until they do a head fake in the mid term,
and maybe not even year one Buck because think about
how often the reason why Democrats have control in the
Senate right now is because of the lack of health.
In Georgia right we had a special election because a
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senator could not fulfill his term. There are a lot
of old people in the United States Senate statistically, if
you look at the data we saw before years and
years ago Jim Jeffords decided to switch parties. I don't
necessarily think a Joe Mansion or a Christen Cinema is
ever going to switch parties. But there's a lot of
unhealthy people in the United States Senate. There's a lot
of people over the age of seventy. So it may
not even be until twenty twenty two until we have
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some sort of health related condition that could arise. And
that's why so much of this is being pushed to
need to happen right now. Why you have the auspices
of the crisis and everything that we're saying right now
about the cooling of the passions in the Senate. The
pressure doesn't stop on mansion on cinema and right now,
sure they're able to and I think they like it.
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Look attention. The Democrats have a have a John McCain
situation here where I think they like the national attention.
And there's there's a lot of it's basically a country.
They're as powerful or more powerful than the press. Then
now think of the amount of pressure and you and
I both know the way. The one thing that Democrats
always do so much better than the other side. It
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drives me insane is all the inducements. Oh it's it's
so sweet to go along with the Democrat machine. Those
book deals waiting for you, those Netflix consulting deals, those professorships,
board seats. You know, that's the stuff that people don't
hear about when you're talking about some of these senators
right now who are who are holding the line for
the filipbuster. All it takes as you get a couple
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of breaks in that damn cracks in the dam, and
we got a whole different ball game all of a sudden.
Speaking of cracks in the dam, Warnuck obviously won an
incredibly close election in Georgia. He's running next year for reelection.
There's a guy who wants to run against him that
sports fans are really familiar with and is maybe the
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biggest legend in any individual state anywhere in the country.
Herschel Walker. Good move or bad move for him to
throw his hat in the Senate ring in Georgia and
potentially upset this fifty fifty mess. We'll discuss that. That's
going to be our poll question in the day that
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Tuesday is going fantastically well. We're talking about the fifty
fifty Senate. What's going to happen with the filibuster? One
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of the big questions has been given the fact that
he has to run for reelection in twenty twenty two.
Reverend Raphael Warnock, who won a close election in Georgia,
who the Republicans are going to pick to run against
him has become a massive storyline. And one of the
guys that I think would absolutely dominate in the state
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of Georgia is herschel Walker, legendary former running back of
the Georgia Bulldogs. We just saw in the state next Doorbuck,
Tommy Tubberville in Alabama, former Auburn football coach, get elected
and he replaced Doug Jones after the mess with Roy
Moore in that Senate election. I think the same thing
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could happen if herschel Walker ran against Warnock, and herschel
Walker is teasing it in a big way. Listen to
what he posted on social media earlier this week. Hey,
what you hear that? As Holt that's what I call him.
You know he's ready. I'm getting ready, and we can
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run with the big dolls. So herschel Walker the National
Championship running running back for the Georgia Bulldogs, who have
not won a title since he was there. And it's
a video that he put out where he zooms in
on that car, says he's ready to run with the
big dogs and shows a Georgia Wison plate on that car,
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and many people, including me, are taking that as a
sign Donald Trump has tried to encourage him to run. Buck.
Are you at all intrigued by this story? Does herschel
Walker for Senate in any way make sense to you? Well, look,
Kelly Leffler, you remember was appointed. That's right, right, Kelly
Leffler was appointed and then defeated by Raphael Warnock. But
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I think that was a perfect storm of bad timing
for Republicans in Georgia. You had a lot of GOP
on GOP consternation, to put it politely, family show here consternation,
and Trump was obviously getting all the attention because of
the after election traverses and all the debates about what
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happened there. So we lost. I mean the fact that
we lost those two Georgia Senate seats was a gut
punch after getting kicked in the face on election day.
And I think that the next time around you'll see
a far more favorable environment because the great thing about Democrats, Clay,
is the more people have to deal with their actual
results of governance, the more they realize maybe they shouldn't
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actually have them in charge. Also, you won't have Trump
in any way on the ballot, so in twenty twenty two,
you would think that the overall number of people that
would vote would be down. By the way, this is
our poll question. Should herschel Walker run for Senate against
Rafiel Warnock and Georgia in twenty twenty two. You can
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