September 14, 2021 • 37 mins
Dr. Marty Makary returns to the show to discuss covid confusion at the CDC. Decisions on boosters relied on data from Israel, why isn’t the U.S. producing this research? The CDC is a bureaucratic monstrosity that has turned medicine into politics by government doctors who stick to a party line rather than speaking the truth to the data. White House livestream cuts Biden mid-sentence as he goes off script. Treason? Gen. Milley undermined Trump White House with secret calls, promising to alert China of potential U.S. attacks. Blinken fumbles to answer why U.S bombed an innocent aid worker and his family.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in an hour number two Clay
Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us as we roll through the Tuesday edition of
the program, where you're joined now by doctor McCarry, who
is who is a big time I would say, analyst
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of COVID data. He's at Johns Hopkins. It's got a
recent book, The Price We Pay, What Broke America's Healthcare
and How to fix It? And I'm reading today Wall
Street Journal op ed page COVID confusion at the CDC,
and doctor you write, I want to read this paragraph
for our audience. You write that Israel published data that
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showed with seven hundred thousand people included natural immunity was
twenty seven times more effective than vaccinated a mute and
preventing symptomatic infections of COVID. Thank you for joining us. Doctor.
Why has America been so bad at producing our own data?
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And why have we avoided talking very often about natural
immunity in general? In your mind? Well, good to be
with you guys, Thanks for having me. I'm not sure
why we have not been able to produce data. We've
got fifty seven billion dollars at the NIH and CDC
and about thirty thousand employees. I don't know what they're doing,
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to be honest with you. I don't know if they're
browsing through the office depot catalog or getting things notarized
in their lunch break. It's inexplicable that all the good
data is coming out of Israel. The only clusteranomized control
trial of masks looking at different types of masks came
out of Bangladesh. We're the United States of America. Why
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are we getting blindsided by overwhelming data that natural immunity
is twenty seven times more effective when our public health
officials have been parting the opposite. They had it backwards,
doctor McCarry's buck. I saw doctor Faucci last week. I mean,
doctor Fauci seems to be on TV every five minutes.
I didn't know this was actually an official role at
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the NIH or NIA IDEA or whatever it is, but
doctor Fauci is constantly out there spreading faucism. He was
finally asked in a way that I hadn't seen before
about natural immunity, and he kind of said a version
of Yeah, that's interesting, we'll look into that. How is
it possible that we're eighteen months into this pandemic and
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they don't have I mean, is it fair to say
that they just don't view this as a priority. Well,
it interfered with the political edict to vaccinate every American,
and when you had anything that got in the way
of that edict, it became marginalized and downplayed by our
all ACUC leaders. And there are a lot of things
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out there that said, hey, wait a minute, the second
dose and kids is causing heart complications. Doesn't matter. They
still got to get vaccinated. So we have seen a
lot of things like that sort of interfere with the
political agenda. And remember they're an old school group of docs,
the people calling all the shots with COVID. It's a
very small group of very old doctors, and they have
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group think. I appreciate you being on with us, doctor McCarry,
and for all the work you're doing at Johns Hopkins. Okay,
so let's we gotta that's probably the number one question
natural immunity in your mind. When you look at Europe,
which is doing in many countries a pretty good job
of acknowledging natural immunity. When Joe Biden is coming out
and saying, Hey, I'm going to mandate federal vaccinations, let's
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lead aside the legality of whether that's possible. There's the
discussion about the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Aren't we overlooking
tens of millions and potentially a hundred million or more people,
including people like Bucket myself, who have already had COVID
and recovered from it as if we don't exist. Shouldn't
this be an important part of the discussion about how
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our nation responds to COVID Well, Ignoring natural immunity has
hurt the credibility of public health because we really want
to encourage I want to encourage most doctors want to
encourage all adults who have not had the infection to
get vaccinated and to do it quickly. And that message
got really hurt by all this dishonesty around natural immunity,
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ignoring it, blowing it off. So that was a big setback,
and I think part of the issue right now is
that they are come around way too late. It's sad because,
to be honest with you, tens of thousands of Americans
died December through April when we were rationing our limited
vaccine supply and we were giving it to people with
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natural immunity. We should have had them step as a
great point, the hYP office has hurt a lot of people.
We're speaking to doctor Marty McCarry. He's a professor at
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Got a great piece
in the Wall Street Journal today, Oh it's yesterday, rather
COVID confusion at the CDC, an eloquent version of what
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I've been saying all the time, which is that the
CDC is a bureaucratic monstrosity. And as a former federal
government employee, I know bureaucratic monstrosity when I see one. Doc,
I want to know if you've seen this piece at
the published in The Atlantic where they looked at all
the different hospitalizations starting I believe from January to June
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of this year, and the piece comes away with and
it was by a Zwi who I believe we had
clay earlier on the show. Remember was he the New
York magazine. I think it's the same guy. Yes, that
New York magazine he wrote. But but doctor McCarry, he's
saying that forty to forty five percent of COVID hospitalizations
under the period studied, which went, as I said to
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June of this year, were people who were either in
the hospital for non COVID related reasons or for very
mild illness. Do you buy that? I mean people have
been saying, oh, along the hospitalization numbers don't there's something
funky going on. Doesn't add up? Could that really be happening?
I mean, if someone goes into a hospital in April
of this year's for cancer screening and they test positive
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for COVID, does that go as a COVID hospitalization Sometimes
so it depends on the hospital. And California had a
county sort of do it wrong. They were accounting everybody
who just tested positive for COVID, which, by the way,
it's very easy to test positive for COVID with a
PCR test. It'll pick up one dead virus particle. So
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they revised in this California county, Alameda County, they revised
their real numbers down by twenty five percent. When they
looked into the cases, we are seeing hospital ICUs overrun
and those are real I talked to doctors out there.
But with the hospitalization numbers they're probably inflated. And what
about the what about the numbers of those who are
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in the ICU who are vaccinated versus not vaccinated. Are
we getting really good data on that. I think we are.
But the actually what they're actually doing is when they're
saying people are in there who have been vaccinated, some
of those are just incidental, and some pop are saying
they've been vaccinated and they really haven't. So really, almost
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everybody in the hospital with COVID and very sick is
an unvaccinated adult, and that's where we should be focusing
all of our efforts. Doctor McCarry, what do you think
about the idea of requiring vaccines to travel on airplanes,
as doctor Fauci is talking about now almost every mandate
we've gotten wrong as a country. When we force people
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to get vaccinated who already have natural munity, we're going
to potentially subject them to adverse side effects for no
good reason. Let me let me pause you there that
that's an interesting point before we get to the airplane.
But what you just said, so we had Ran Paul
on and he was discussing I think and maybe Senator
Ron Johnson as well. But Ran Paul obviously as a doctor,
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and he's going to be on with us later this week.
And when we had him on, he was talking about
people who have natural immunity the vaccine could actually make
them less healthy than it would be if they just
relied on that natural immunity. How would you break that down?
Because there's a lot of people out there. I'm one
of them who have natural immunity, and I haven't been
vaccinated yet for one of those reasons. What are the
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risk factors from a vaccine from someone like me who
still has antibodies already had covido recovered, feel one hundred
percent fine, and other people like me who might be
out there listening well, With every subsequent dose of a vaccine,
you get more of an inflammatory response, and you can
consider having COVID like getting two doses of the vaccine,
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So each subsequent dose is going to knock you down
a little bit more and cause side effects. In kids,
and that is anyone under twenty nine, there's actually a
risk of heart inflammation with that second dose, So we
don't we don't want those kids to get a second dose.
I don't even want to get it. If you don't
have natural immunity, so that's the complication, Doctor McCarry, What
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about these comparisons that are being made now as part
of the justification for the COVID mandates. You'll hear a
lot of folks out there, some of the air Blue
check mds, so I'm sure you're familiar with. Others are
just people parroting what they see online. But they'll say
it's just like the MMR vaccine, specifically for kids having
to get COVID vaccination. What do you say to those
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who say it's just like which doctor Faucci I believe
is one of them, it's just like measles mom's rubella vaccination. Well,
I'd love to see the data on how many healthy
kids have been in the have been hospitalized with COVID.
No one's been able to give us those numbers. Out
of the roughly four hundred some kids who have been
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hospitals who have died of COVID, out of the twenty
five million or so that have gotten at the entire
year and a half, most of those were rescued towards
deaths when we didn't know how to treat them, and
so today the risk to a healthy kid is infinitesimally small.
And over half of kids in America have had COVID,
So it's a much different landscape today than with MMR.
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But I mean, as if a child gets about how
dangerous are those diseases versus version. I mean, obviously COVID's
basically not dangerous. Measles, mumps, rubella, those higher risk factors.
Oh yeah, people, we I mean we see little outbreaks
of those in other countries and they can be deadly.
It's a much different disease. That's important people to know
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because I'll talk about smallpox, for example, in the vaccination
campaign with that which my understanding GOCA is that has
a thirty percent mortality rate, which is terrifying. That's right,
Dr McCarry. One of the things that I hear a
lot about is building on what Buck was just saying
about vaccines that kids get. When I was a kid,
and I don't know how old you are, but I'm
guessing you're around bucking Mind's age, rough, chicken pox didn't
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have a vaccine, and so just about every kid that
I know got chicken pox. In fact, we actually had
chicken pox parties where a young kid would get it.
And that will you get sent over to try to
get it as well, because the idea was if you've
got chicken pox at an older age, it was much
more likely to be harmful than at a younger age.
Now they have a chicken pox vaccine. I've never, to
my knowledge, gotten the chicken pox vaccine because I had
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chicken pox as a kid. Is there an analogy there
for people who maybe are thinking about the natural immunity angle.
No one has ever argued to me, hey, you need
to get the chicken pox vaccine, because I would just
naturally respond, well, I had chicken pox when I was
a kid. I know, we don't know how long natural
immunity from COVID last, because this is still a novel
virus in many ways. But is there an analogy there
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from a natural immunity perspective that we never really said
to people, hey, you need to get a chicken pox vaccine,
even though we have it now if they had had
it before. Is there an analogy there that makes sense
to you as a doctor. Absolutely, there's an end analogy.
There's it's a direct analogy. And ironically, the CDC has
on their website that if you had chicken pox, you
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should not get the chicken pox vaccine. It's like they
have adopted the immune system to the Democrat Party for
one virus, but not for another virus. It is absolutely
illogical that they've ignored national community. It doesn't make sense
with what they've put out on chicken poxcut So that's fascinating.
So you're telling me I didn't even know this. I
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would encourage you to write and you may have written it,
but if you haven't, that would be fascinating. I think
for a lot of people out there to read like
they have your other Wall Street Journal editorial pieces which
have been so good. So the CDC is giving directly
contradictory advice as it pertains to the chicken pox vaccine
and the COVID vaccine for people who have had those
viruses earlier. That's right. Then they cherry picked the data
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to support whatever they've already decided. I don't know if
you saw the study they put out on natural immunity
out of Kentucky. But they read that, yeah, and they said,
oh we did studying Kentucky. Naturalmmunity doesn't work. You can't
trust it. Well, they only looked at two months, even
though they have nineteen months of data, and they only
looked at one state even though they have fifty states
of data, and it's oh interesting. The risk is slightly
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higher with fascinated immunity of getting COVID or starting natural mute.
They cherry picked the data. They salami sliced it, something
we call fishing in statistical techniques, that as you look
for a tiny sliver of data the supports which you
already believe. Doc, we got we gotta go, but I
just want to know before we let you go. And
we're speaking to doctor Marty McCarry. You should all check
out his piece in the Wall Street Journal today is
from JOHNS Hopkins University School of Medicine. Have you I mean,
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is it just depressing to see your field be politicized
in this way. We actually all want people to be
healthy and live long lives, but it feels like this
has turned into some kind of a partisan food fight. Yeah,
it is really sad. I had a patient who's an
older patient tell me he's lived through the tuberculosis, polio
H one N one pandemics and has never seen this
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degree of polarization before. So it is a tragedy how
we're seeing medicine turned into politics by government doctors who
stick to a party line rather than speaking the truth
to the data. Doctor McCarry, thanks so much for being
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Really interesting on a
play Biden getting at mic turned off to really interesting
just now discussion with doctor Marty mccarree on what's going
on with all things COVID and and everything that is
happening in this country right now. He told us straight
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up that when it comes to the chicken pox vaccine,
you were told don't get the vaccine if you'd already
had the virus. I was told by an infectious these
specialist that I know very well early on to at
least wait. And that was actually the CDC guidance. We
can all remember that, right There was a period where
the CDC early on said if you had COVID, wait
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ninety days before you get the shot, because they knew
there was the possibility of an overimmune reaction if you
already had the antibodies and created this inflammatory response in
your system. But then they kind of just decided, shut up,
just get the shot. It doesn't even matter anymore. The politics,
not the science, are driving this all over the place
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and another and there are other areas play where I
think we see this and we should get into both
herd immunity as well as airlines and whether they're going
to push this stuff forward the mandates. Yeah, there's no doubt.
And by the way, doctor McCarry, I thought, did a
really good job pointing out that early on we were
rationing who was getting the shots, we let people who'd
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already had COVID get the shoots, meaning that some people
who desperately needed a COVID vaccine shot, we're not able
to get it right. So that is there are so
many public policy failures. And i'd encourage you guys to
read It's in the print edition of the Wall Street
Journal today. COVID Confusion at the CDC went up yesterday
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afternoon evening on the website. You need to read it
because he did such a great job of laying out
why in the world is the United States relying on
Israeli data, for instance, to guide our decision making when
we've had eighteen or nineteen months, as he said, with
a massive twenty one thousand employees, billions of dollars in budget,
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What in the world's the CDC eve been doing? The
data on natural immunity interferes with the democrat and narrative clays.
That's what this really comes down to. I think that's accurate.
Everything else is just you know, we're hoping come back
into this in a moment because we've got a lot more,
including on herd immunity. Where are we going? When does
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McCarry Wall Street Journal op ed today Marty McCarry. I
keep messing up his name, probably, but the important thing
is he's a doctor at Johns Hopkins and he has
done a fabulous job of actually looking at data and
trying to make a rational public policy. And that's what
Bucket I have been arguing in favor of for now years,
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go give us five stars. Now, some of you may
be saying, why isn't Joe Biden having to answer that
natural immunity question you heard doctor McCarry say. The CDC
on their own website gives a different analysis of what
you should do if you had chicken pox when you
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were a kid compared to if you had COVID and
you haven't gotten vaccinated, two different answers. Joe Biden, to
my knowledge, has never had to answer a natural immunity question.
Why is that? Because they are running and hiding anytime
Joe Biden has a question, Buck, I problem with him
being asked a question. Yeah, well they can't even get
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questions to him. Listen to what happened yesterday. When Joe
Biden started to answer questions, they cut his mic. Listen,
can I ask you a questions of one of the
things that I've been working out with some others is
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they cut him off. That's the end. That's not a
mistake from us. Joe Biden is interacting with the media
and they will not allow him to answer questions. They
cut his mic off. This is the leader of the
free world, Buck, and his own staff doesn't trust him
to be able to answer questions to such a degree
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that they turn his microphone off when he starts to
answer questions. Embarrassing. And this is not happening in a vacuum.
This is happening in the context of a president who
frequently stands up at the podium and not only says
weird mumbling, bumbling, bizarre things, but will often say something like,
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I'm not supposed to talk to you. You know, you
young folks out here. You know he's supposed to not
talk to us. He's the president. I want to know
who's giving him the orders to not speak to us.
You know, you would think, I mean, do you remember
what it was like under Trump? That guy he would
walk out to you know, to the helicopter beyond the
White House, or he and he would do an impromptu
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press conference on the fly. Every one of those journalists
that had assembled was there for one purpose, and one
purpose only to attack him, to undermine him, to catch
him in something they could say as a lie. And
you know, nine times out of ten Trump was doing
verbal roundhouse kicks to all the journals, which is why
they hated him so much. Joe Biden doesn't do it.
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This is the Hiden Biden and the Basement presidency, even
though he's technically not in the basement anymore. And that's
why when they're cutting his mic, you say, it's not
like this is a guy that usually takes questions, Clay.
This is a guy who everybody's got, Everyone has questions
about why can't he handle questions? Biden will not take
a single question. They will turn it off. Trump took
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hours of questions sometimes, I mean he would stand at
the podium and take There were days he took hours
of questions from the media, and yet the media would say, oh,
we need to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment on him,
even though you know this, Buck. One of the most
challenging things to do is extemporaneous, unplanned discussion on daily
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basis what we do for three hours, right, and the
president to be able to field questions like that and
answer on the spot in a press conference setting is
an incredible skill set. Biden can't do it. Not only
can he not do it, his own people are so
terrified of him doing it that they are cutting his
mic off when he starts to answer questions in contravention
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of what they want him to do. It's I mean again,
when you hear that, imagine what happened in, for instance,
the phone conversation with Joe Biden and Chairman Z in China.
Ninety minutes Supposedly Joe Biden talked to him. How much
sense do you think he made and how much do
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you think the authoritarian leader of China Chairman Z when
he's sitting there listening to that conversation is not like,
Oh my god, the United States has elected a total
buffoon who has lost control of his mental faculties. Do
I have to be concerned about him on anything? Trade? Taiwan?
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They're flying airplanes, threatening to fly airplanes directly over Taiwan
after watching Afghanistan. Do you think China in any way
is afraid of America being able to protect Taiwan after
what they did in Hong Kong. Look, we have an
empty suit as our president. And whether you're a Democrat,
Republican or Independent, that ain't good because you know who
takes advantage of empty suits. Bucks, Bad guys take advantage
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of weakness, and we're weak right now in the office
of presidency. Biden doesn't always get the most warm and
fuzzy reception. Everywhere these days, we've been talking about the
the blank Joe Biden. You can say, maybe they're they're
basically telling the letter F Yes, they're basically telling him
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to go fauci himself. Yes. And they're doing this in
college football games all over the country. Also, when he
was out in he was out in California, his motorcade,
there was a big mob. We actually have this. We
have a motor cad and of people that were I'm sorry,
his motorcade rather was being jeered at by some folks.
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So let's just have not ever loves Joe. I know,
people jeered you know their libs there, leftist who are
Jerry Trump too. But it's so funny because this is
where the media propaganda machinery makes such a difference. If
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if it were a Republican who had people gathering to
boo him like that, it would be something that you
would see everywhere. It would become part of the narrative
of the news events of the day. But somehow we
are supposed to believe that Joe Biden is the beloved
you know, as as voted for president in the history.
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He's the most voted for president of the country. Everyone
thinks he's a steady hand, everyone thinks he's uniting, and
we all just see man the emperor knowledgies. You have
no clothes, He's wandered around, you know, wear him my pants,
angry Joe Biden styles. It's so unfortunate that we've ended
up in this situation. It was imminently predictable, and they
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manage the Democrats did to hide Joe Biden while arguing
that they were trying to be safe with COVID going on,
They stung him in the basement because, I mean, really,
think about if COVID doesn't happen, Joe Biden is your
presumptive Democratic nominee in March of twenty twenty, and he
has to go on the road March April, May, June, July, August, September, October,
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eight months of campaigning on the road. First of all,
he wouldn't have made it right physically, I don't think
he would have made it. But if they had kept
him on the road for eight months, buck it would
have been impossible to disguise the mental decrepitude that he
was dealing with, and it would have been so self
evident to everyone. And the Democrats knew it. And they
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got fortunate in the context of being able to use
COVID as an excuse if there wasn't COVID. What what's
I mean, Yeah, they're gonna he was gonna yell about,
you know, yell about Russia, and he was gonna yell
about you know, Trump's mean, twenty Lives Matter still probably yeah,
I mean, but but they weren't going to be able
to say what that the economy was booming, The economy
was fantastic, lowest unemployment, rased unemployment. I mean, we're at peace.
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We hadn't been hit by a big terrorist attack in
four years. I mean, the Trump COVID was other than
the new narratives, just mostly fabricated narratives about things like
Russia and all the rest of it. They didn't really
have an area of effective attack. So it's a shame
that this was the you know, the the hand of
cards that the country was was dealt at this point
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in time because in the year that it happened, which
is awfully convenient too. Yes, yes, indeed, absolutely so we'll
come back into more this SUPs. We've got some updates
for you on Blincoln's testifying up up on Cappa Hill
to the Senate, and he's just he's just there to get,
you know, verbally fillated for a while. I mean, they're
just they're just giving him the rough stuff, which he
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completely deserves. But he's not gonna He's not gonna resign,
I can tell you that much, folks. He's not gonna
step down. I don't. I don't think although man mc
cuomo resigned. So you know, I guess that anything is
possible these days, but I think it's very, very unlikely.
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Section Show. This is Buck. You know we've got some
from news breaking. It's from Bob Woodward book, but we'll
be talking about it in just a few minutes. Here.
It's essentially making the claim, which seems certainly plausible, that
there were secret discussions between then Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff Millie and his counterpart in the People's
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Liberation Army of China, effectively creating a back channel of
communication to let them know that don't worry, Trump's not
going to there won't be a war with China because
we won't allow Trump to declare war on China. That's
essentially what the allegations now Bob Woodward books. There's a
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lot of people that criticize them, I think rightly when
it comes to things like, oh, the people who come
out looking good in them tend to be people that
were probably sources for them. And then there's a whole
lot of very convenient reconstruction of dialogue, down to the
very words used without actual recordings of these things. Well,
we should come back into it. Don't admit it, because
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it does strike me as credible and as plausible. But first,
Blinklin is getting the rough stuff up on Capitol Hill
from Algin's rightly so, especially because I think no one
really believes that Joe Biden was a commander in chief
who was closely managing what was happening with the withdrawal
from Afghanistan. That it was likely some of his subordinates
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who were doing it, and I would guess trying to
keep a lot of it play away from Biden so
that he wasn't gonna mess things up even more. Remember
Barack Obamas said, never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to blank
to active years ago. Yeah, that was when he was
you know, sharp as attack compared to now. Yes, but
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we have the blinking testimony on the Hill. I think
it's so interesting too. He was doing it remote. I
think he's remote again today. Remote so he can get
to the Hampton's Clay but not to Capitol Hill. Very interesting. Yeah,
the Secretary of State, you know, I thought Bill Himmer
made a good point. He's like, wait a minute, there
are you know, basically millions of people going to college
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football games and NFL games and we can't have a
guy I go to Capitol Hill and testify in person.
I testified in person in March, I mean, you know,
of twenty twenty one, Like, maybe find a way to
do that. It would be just a suggestion. And I'll
tell you this. I've spoken to some of the people
that I respect in the national security and counter terrorism
analysis side of things, which basically means no one who
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goes on CNN because I know they're all they're all buffoons.
But in other places in the media, I've checked in
and they agree with me that it is almost certain
at this point. I mean, it is highly highly likely
that the Biden administration took a whole victory lap about
stopping a massive terror attack against our soldiers and civilians. Again,
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in Cobble, they actually blew up an entirely innocent AID worker,
seven members of his family children in the car. Senator
Ran Paul, who was willing to ask the tough questions
posed or really say the tough words, said this to
blink in today the guy the Biden administration droned, was
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he an AID worker or an isis K operative. The
administration is of course reviewing that that strike, and I'm
sure that a you know, full assessment will be will
be for you don't know if it was an AID
worker or an isis K operative. I can't speak to that,
and I can't speak to that in the setting in
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any event, So you don't know or won't tell us.
I don't I don't know, because we're reviewing it. Well, see,
you think you'd kind of know before you off somebody
with a predator drone, whether he's an AID worker or
he's an isis k wow. I mean that's a pretty
big deal. Play. It's a pretty big deal because it
wasn't just like a strike among many. This was the
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Biden team showing their command know how much in control
they were and how much they were able to protect Americans.
And if you haven't paid attention to this story, we
talked about it yesterday, came out on Friday. Credit to
the New York Times for writing it. The Washington Post
has also written a version of this. The evidence certainly suggest,
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as you just heard Brand Paul ask, that the guy
we essentially vaporized with a drone was hoping to come
to America and was basically a charity worker in Afghanistan.
And not only did we kill him, as Buck said,
we killed seven kids in his family, young kids in
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his family. I think it's ten people overall, Buck, And
again I would encourage you guys to go read about
that article. It's about Biden trying to show his competence
and how much in control in standing up to terrorist
he's willing to do, and instead it sounds like we
just vaporized a totally inno s Advandon his family Clay.
It never added up. Oh, they just so happened to
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have surveillance on the one guy who was the suicide
bombing car. The svbied, that's how good our intel on
the ground in Afghanistan. We didn't know the whole country
was gonna collapse and the TALIBANMA was gonna roll up
three hundred thousand on paper. Afghan national security forces we
had no idea about that. But we can find the
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one guy who's building the suicide car bomb to kill
our people when we're under a tight deadline or chaos,
and give me I was in the CIA. No way,
no way, man. It just never had it up. They
never would give us a name either. They said, oh,
trust us. Basically we took this guy. People were like, okay,
who was it? What was the significance? And they never
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gave a name. And now all this data is coming
out and you held nervous blanket. Wasn't that answer? There
were two strikes. They didn't give us the names. The
guys they hit an eastern Nangar province, as they said,
were the facilitators. This was the imminent suicide bomb in
a striker and they blew up an innocent guy in
his family. You're listening to, Clay Travis said buck sex
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in an hour number two Clay
Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us as we roll through the Tuesday edition of
the program, where you're joined now by doctor McCarry, who
is who is a big time I would say, analyst
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of COVID data. He's at Johns Hopkins. It's got a
recent book, The Price We Pay, What Broke America's Healthcare
and How to fix It? And I'm reading today Wall
Street Journal op ed page COVID confusion at the CDC,
and doctor you write, I want to read this paragraph
for our audience. You write that Israel published data that
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showed with seven hundred thousand people included natural immunity was
twenty seven times more effective than vaccinated a mute and
preventing symptomatic infections of COVID. Thank you for joining us. Doctor.
Why has America been so bad at producing our own data?
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And why have we avoided talking very often about natural
immunity in general? In your mind? Well, good to be
with you guys, Thanks for having me. I'm not sure
why we have not been able to produce data. We've
got fifty seven billion dollars at the NIH and CDC
and about thirty thousand employees. I don't know what they're doing,
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to be honest with you. I don't know if they're
browsing through the office depot catalog or getting things notarized
in their lunch break. It's inexplicable that all the good
data is coming out of Israel. The only clusteranomized control
trial of masks looking at different types of masks came
out of Bangladesh. We're the United States of America. Why
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are we getting blindsided by overwhelming data that natural immunity
is twenty seven times more effective when our public health
officials have been parting the opposite. They had it backwards,
doctor McCarry's buck. I saw doctor Faucci last week. I mean,
doctor Fauci seems to be on TV every five minutes.
I didn't know this was actually an official role at
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the NIH or NIA IDEA or whatever it is, but
doctor Fauci is constantly out there spreading faucism. He was
finally asked in a way that I hadn't seen before
about natural immunity, and he kind of said a version
of Yeah, that's interesting, we'll look into that. How is
it possible that we're eighteen months into this pandemic and
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they don't have I mean, is it fair to say
that they just don't view this as a priority. Well,
it interfered with the political edict to vaccinate every American,
and when you had anything that got in the way
of that edict, it became marginalized and downplayed by our
all ACUC leaders. And there are a lot of things
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out there that said, hey, wait a minute, the second
dose and kids is causing heart complications. Doesn't matter. They
still got to get vaccinated. So we have seen a
lot of things like that sort of interfere with the
political agenda. And remember they're an old school group of docs,
the people calling all the shots with COVID. It's a
very small group of very old doctors, and they have
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group think. I appreciate you being on with us, doctor McCarry,
and for all the work you're doing at Johns Hopkins. Okay,
so let's we gotta that's probably the number one question
natural immunity in your mind. When you look at Europe,
which is doing in many countries a pretty good job
of acknowledging natural immunity. When Joe Biden is coming out
and saying, Hey, I'm going to mandate federal vaccinations, let's
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lead aside the legality of whether that's possible. There's the
discussion about the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Aren't we overlooking
tens of millions and potentially a hundred million or more people,
including people like Bucket myself, who have already had COVID
and recovered from it as if we don't exist. Shouldn't
this be an important part of the discussion about how
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our nation responds to COVID Well, Ignoring natural immunity has
hurt the credibility of public health because we really want
to encourage I want to encourage most doctors want to
encourage all adults who have not had the infection to
get vaccinated and to do it quickly. And that message
got really hurt by all this dishonesty around natural immunity,
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ignoring it, blowing it off. So that was a big setback,
and I think part of the issue right now is
that they are come around way too late. It's sad because,
to be honest with you, tens of thousands of Americans
died December through April when we were rationing our limited
vaccine supply and we were giving it to people with
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natural immunity. We should have had them step as a
great point, the hYP office has hurt a lot of people.
We're speaking to doctor Marty McCarry. He's a professor at
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Got a great piece
in the Wall Street Journal today, Oh it's yesterday, rather
COVID confusion at the CDC, an eloquent version of what
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I've been saying all the time, which is that the
CDC is a bureaucratic monstrosity. And as a former federal
government employee, I know bureaucratic monstrosity when I see one. Doc,
I want to know if you've seen this piece at
the published in The Atlantic where they looked at all
the different hospitalizations starting I believe from January to June
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of this year, and the piece comes away with and
it was by a Zwi who I believe we had
clay earlier on the show. Remember was he the New
York magazine. I think it's the same guy. Yes, that
New York magazine he wrote. But but doctor McCarry, he's
saying that forty to forty five percent of COVID hospitalizations
under the period studied, which went, as I said to
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June of this year, were people who were either in
the hospital for non COVID related reasons or for very
mild illness. Do you buy that? I mean people have
been saying, oh, along the hospitalization numbers don't there's something
funky going on. Doesn't add up? Could that really be happening?
I mean, if someone goes into a hospital in April
of this year's for cancer screening and they test positive
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for COVID, does that go as a COVID hospitalization Sometimes
so it depends on the hospital. And California had a
county sort of do it wrong. They were accounting everybody
who just tested positive for COVID, which, by the way,
it's very easy to test positive for COVID with a
PCR test. It'll pick up one dead virus particle. So
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they revised in this California county, Alameda County, they revised
their real numbers down by twenty five percent. When they
looked into the cases, we are seeing hospital ICUs overrun
and those are real I talked to doctors out there.
But with the hospitalization numbers they're probably inflated. And what
about the what about the numbers of those who are
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in the ICU who are vaccinated versus not vaccinated. Are
we getting really good data on that. I think we are.
But the actually what they're actually doing is when they're
saying people are in there who have been vaccinated, some
of those are just incidental, and some pop are saying
they've been vaccinated and they really haven't. So really, almost
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everybody in the hospital with COVID and very sick is
an unvaccinated adult, and that's where we should be focusing
all of our efforts. Doctor McCarry, what do you think
about the idea of requiring vaccines to travel on airplanes,
as doctor Fauci is talking about now almost every mandate
we've gotten wrong as a country. When we force people
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to get vaccinated who already have natural munity, we're going
to potentially subject them to adverse side effects for no
good reason. Let me let me pause you there that
that's an interesting point before we get to the airplane.
But what you just said, so we had Ran Paul
on and he was discussing I think and maybe Senator
Ron Johnson as well. But Ran Paul obviously as a doctor,
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and he's going to be on with us later this week.
And when we had him on, he was talking about
people who have natural immunity the vaccine could actually make
them less healthy than it would be if they just
relied on that natural immunity. How would you break that down?
Because there's a lot of people out there. I'm one
of them who have natural immunity, and I haven't been
vaccinated yet for one of those reasons. What are the
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risk factors from a vaccine from someone like me who
still has antibodies already had covido recovered, feel one hundred
percent fine, and other people like me who might be
out there listening well, With every subsequent dose of a vaccine,
you get more of an inflammatory response, and you can
consider having COVID like getting two doses of the vaccine,
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So each subsequent dose is going to knock you down
a little bit more and cause side effects. In kids,
and that is anyone under twenty nine, there's actually a
risk of heart inflammation with that second dose, So we
don't we don't want those kids to get a second dose.
I don't even want to get it. If you don't
have natural immunity, so that's the complication, Doctor McCarry, What
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about these comparisons that are being made now as part
of the justification for the COVID mandates. You'll hear a
lot of folks out there, some of the air Blue
check mds, so I'm sure you're familiar with. Others are
just people parroting what they see online. But they'll say
it's just like the MMR vaccine, specifically for kids having
to get COVID vaccination. What do you say to those
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who say it's just like which doctor Faucci I believe
is one of them, it's just like measles mom's rubella vaccination. Well,
I'd love to see the data on how many healthy
kids have been in the have been hospitalized with COVID.
No one's been able to give us those numbers. Out
of the roughly four hundred some kids who have been
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hospitals who have died of COVID, out of the twenty
five million or so that have gotten at the entire
year and a half, most of those were rescued towards
deaths when we didn't know how to treat them, and
so today the risk to a healthy kid is infinitesimally small.
And over half of kids in America have had COVID,
So it's a much different landscape today than with MMR.
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But I mean, as if a child gets about how
dangerous are those diseases versus version. I mean, obviously COVID's
basically not dangerous. Measles, mumps, rubella, those higher risk factors.
Oh yeah, people, we I mean we see little outbreaks
of those in other countries and they can be deadly.
It's a much different disease. That's important people to know
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because I'll talk about smallpox, for example, in the vaccination
campaign with that which my understanding GOCA is that has
a thirty percent mortality rate, which is terrifying. That's right,
Dr McCarry. One of the things that I hear a
lot about is building on what Buck was just saying
about vaccines that kids get. When I was a kid,
and I don't know how old you are, but I'm
guessing you're around bucking Mind's age, rough, chicken pox didn't
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have a vaccine, and so just about every kid that
I know got chicken pox. In fact, we actually had
chicken pox parties where a young kid would get it.
And that will you get sent over to try to
get it as well, because the idea was if you've
got chicken pox at an older age, it was much
more likely to be harmful than at a younger age.
Now they have a chicken pox vaccine. I've never, to
my knowledge, gotten the chicken pox vaccine because I had
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chicken pox as a kid. Is there an analogy there
for people who maybe are thinking about the natural immunity angle.
No one has ever argued to me, hey, you need
to get the chicken pox vaccine, because I would just
naturally respond, well, I had chicken pox when I was
a kid. I know, we don't know how long natural
immunity from COVID last, because this is still a novel
virus in many ways. But is there an analogy there
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from a natural immunity perspective that we never really said
to people, hey, you need to get a chicken pox vaccine,
even though we have it now if they had had
it before. Is there an analogy there that makes sense
to you as a doctor. Absolutely, there's an end analogy.
There's it's a direct analogy. And ironically, the CDC has
on their website that if you had chicken pox, you
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should not get the chicken pox vaccine. It's like they
have adopted the immune system to the Democrat Party for
one virus, but not for another virus. It is absolutely
illogical that they've ignored national community. It doesn't make sense
with what they've put out on chicken poxcut So that's fascinating.
So you're telling me I didn't even know this. I
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would encourage you to write and you may have written it,
but if you haven't, that would be fascinating. I think
for a lot of people out there to read like
they have your other Wall Street Journal editorial pieces which
have been so good. So the CDC is giving directly
contradictory advice as it pertains to the chicken pox vaccine
and the COVID vaccine for people who have had those
viruses earlier. That's right. Then they cherry picked the data
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to support whatever they've already decided. I don't know if
you saw the study they put out on natural immunity
out of Kentucky. But they read that, yeah, and they said,
oh we did studying Kentucky. Naturalmmunity doesn't work. You can't
trust it. Well, they only looked at two months, even
though they have nineteen months of data, and they only
looked at one state even though they have fifty states
of data, and it's oh interesting. The risk is slightly
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higher with fascinated immunity of getting COVID or starting natural mute.
They cherry picked the data. They salami sliced it, something
we call fishing in statistical techniques, that as you look
for a tiny sliver of data the supports which you
already believe. Doc, we got we gotta go, but I
just want to know before we let you go. And
we're speaking to doctor Marty McCarry. You should all check
out his piece in the Wall Street Journal today is
from JOHNS Hopkins University School of Medicine. Have you I mean,
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is it just depressing to see your field be politicized
in this way. We actually all want people to be
healthy and live long lives, but it feels like this
has turned into some kind of a partisan food fight. Yeah,
it is really sad. I had a patient who's an
older patient tell me he's lived through the tuberculosis, polio
H one N one pandemics and has never seen this
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degree of polarization before. So it is a tragedy how
we're seeing medicine turned into politics by government doctors who
stick to a party line rather than speaking the truth
to the data. Doctor McCarry, thanks so much for being
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Really interesting on a
play Biden getting at mic turned off to really interesting
just now discussion with doctor Marty mccarree on what's going
on with all things COVID and and everything that is
happening in this country right now. He told us straight
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up that when it comes to the chicken pox vaccine,
you were told don't get the vaccine if you'd already
had the virus. I was told by an infectious these
specialist that I know very well early on to at
least wait. And that was actually the CDC guidance. We
can all remember that, right There was a period where
the CDC early on said if you had COVID, wait
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ninety days before you get the shot, because they knew
there was the possibility of an overimmune reaction if you
already had the antibodies and created this inflammatory response in
your system. But then they kind of just decided, shut up,
just get the shot. It doesn't even matter anymore. The politics,
not the science, are driving this all over the place
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and another and there are other areas play where I
think we see this and we should get into both
herd immunity as well as airlines and whether they're going
to push this stuff forward the mandates. Yeah, there's no doubt.
And by the way, doctor McCarry, I thought, did a
really good job pointing out that early on we were
rationing who was getting the shots, we let people who'd
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already had COVID get the shoots, meaning that some people
who desperately needed a COVID vaccine shot, we're not able
to get it right. So that is there are so
many public policy failures. And i'd encourage you guys to
read It's in the print edition of the Wall Street
Journal today. COVID Confusion at the CDC went up yesterday
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afternoon evening on the website. You need to read it
because he did such a great job of laying out
why in the world is the United States relying on
Israeli data, for instance, to guide our decision making when
we've had eighteen or nineteen months, as he said, with
a massive twenty one thousand employees, billions of dollars in budget,
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What in the world's the CDC eve been doing? The
data on natural immunity interferes with the democrat and narrative clays.
That's what this really comes down to. I think that's accurate.
Everything else is just you know, we're hoping come back
into this in a moment because we've got a lot more,
including on herd immunity. Where are we going? When does
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McCarry Wall Street Journal op ed today Marty McCarry. I
keep messing up his name, probably, but the important thing
is he's a doctor at Johns Hopkins and he has
done a fabulous job of actually looking at data and
trying to make a rational public policy. And that's what
Bucket I have been arguing in favor of for now years,
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go give us five stars. Now, some of you may
be saying, why isn't Joe Biden having to answer that
natural immunity question you heard doctor McCarry say. The CDC
on their own website gives a different analysis of what
you should do if you had chicken pox when you
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were a kid compared to if you had COVID and
you haven't gotten vaccinated, two different answers. Joe Biden, to
my knowledge, has never had to answer a natural immunity question.
Why is that? Because they are running and hiding anytime
Joe Biden has a question, Buck, I problem with him
being asked a question. Yeah, well they can't even get
(20:57):
questions to him. Listen to what happened yesterday. When Joe
Biden started to answer questions, they cut his mic. Listen,
can I ask you a questions of one of the
things that I've been working out with some others is
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they cut him off. That's the end. That's not a
mistake from us. Joe Biden is interacting with the media
and they will not allow him to answer questions. They
cut his mic off. This is the leader of the
free world, Buck, and his own staff doesn't trust him
to be able to answer questions to such a degree
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that they turn his microphone off when he starts to
answer questions. Embarrassing. And this is not happening in a vacuum.
This is happening in the context of a president who
frequently stands up at the podium and not only says
weird mumbling, bumbling, bizarre things, but will often say something like,
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I'm not supposed to talk to you. You know, you
young folks out here. You know he's supposed to not
talk to us. He's the president. I want to know
who's giving him the orders to not speak to us.
You know, you would think, I mean, do you remember
what it was like under Trump? That guy he would
walk out to you know, to the helicopter beyond the
White House, or he and he would do an impromptu
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press conference on the fly. Every one of those journalists
that had assembled was there for one purpose, and one
purpose only to attack him, to undermine him, to catch
him in something they could say as a lie. And
you know, nine times out of ten Trump was doing
verbal roundhouse kicks to all the journals, which is why
they hated him so much. Joe Biden doesn't do it.
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This is the Hiden Biden and the Basement presidency, even
though he's technically not in the basement anymore. And that's
why when they're cutting his mic, you say, it's not
like this is a guy that usually takes questions, Clay.
This is a guy who everybody's got, Everyone has questions
about why can't he handle questions? Biden will not take
a single question. They will turn it off. Trump took
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hours of questions sometimes, I mean he would stand at
the podium and take There were days he took hours
of questions from the media, and yet the media would say, oh,
we need to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment on him,
even though you know this, Buck. One of the most
challenging things to do is extemporaneous, unplanned discussion on daily
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basis what we do for three hours, right, and the
president to be able to field questions like that and
answer on the spot in a press conference setting is
an incredible skill set. Biden can't do it. Not only
can he not do it, his own people are so
terrified of him doing it that they are cutting his
mic off when he starts to answer questions in contravention
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of what they want him to do. It's I mean again,
when you hear that, imagine what happened in, for instance,
the phone conversation with Joe Biden and Chairman Z in China.
Ninety minutes Supposedly Joe Biden talked to him. How much
sense do you think he made and how much do
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you think the authoritarian leader of China Chairman Z when
he's sitting there listening to that conversation is not like,
Oh my god, the United States has elected a total
buffoon who has lost control of his mental faculties. Do
I have to be concerned about him on anything? Trade? Taiwan?
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They're flying airplanes, threatening to fly airplanes directly over Taiwan
after watching Afghanistan. Do you think China in any way
is afraid of America being able to protect Taiwan after
what they did in Hong Kong. Look, we have an
empty suit as our president. And whether you're a Democrat,
Republican or Independent, that ain't good because you know who
takes advantage of empty suits. Bucks, Bad guys take advantage
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of weakness, and we're weak right now in the office
of presidency. Biden doesn't always get the most warm and
fuzzy reception. Everywhere these days, we've been talking about the
the blank Joe Biden. You can say, maybe they're they're
basically telling the letter F Yes, they're basically telling him
(25:22):
to go fauci himself. Yes. And they're doing this in
college football games all over the country. Also, when he
was out in he was out in California, his motorcade,
there was a big mob. We actually have this. We
have a motor cad and of people that were I'm sorry,
his motorcade rather was being jeered at by some folks.
(25:43):
So let's just have not ever loves Joe. I know,
people jeered you know their libs there, leftist who are
Jerry Trump too. But it's so funny because this is
where the media propaganda machinery makes such a difference. If
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if it were a Republican who had people gathering to
boo him like that, it would be something that you
would see everywhere. It would become part of the narrative
of the news events of the day. But somehow we
are supposed to believe that Joe Biden is the beloved
you know, as as voted for president in the history.
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He's the most voted for president of the country. Everyone
thinks he's a steady hand, everyone thinks he's uniting, and
we all just see man the emperor knowledgies. You have
no clothes, He's wandered around, you know, wear him my pants,
angry Joe Biden styles. It's so unfortunate that we've ended
up in this situation. It was imminently predictable, and they
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manage the Democrats did to hide Joe Biden while arguing
that they were trying to be safe with COVID going on,
They stung him in the basement because, I mean, really,
think about if COVID doesn't happen, Joe Biden is your
presumptive Democratic nominee in March of twenty twenty, and he
has to go on the road March April, May, June, July, August, September, October,
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eight months of campaigning on the road. First of all,
he wouldn't have made it right physically, I don't think
he would have made it. But if they had kept
him on the road for eight months, buck it would
have been impossible to disguise the mental decrepitude that he
was dealing with, and it would have been so self
evident to everyone. And the Democrats knew it. And they
(27:31):
got fortunate in the context of being able to use
COVID as an excuse if there wasn't COVID. What what's
I mean, Yeah, they're gonna he was gonna yell about,
you know, yell about Russia, and he was gonna yell
about you know, Trump's mean, twenty Lives Matter still probably yeah,
I mean, but but they weren't going to be able
to say what that the economy was booming, The economy
was fantastic, lowest unemployment, rased unemployment. I mean, we're at peace.
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We hadn't been hit by a big terrorist attack in
four years. I mean, the Trump COVID was other than
the new narratives, just mostly fabricated narratives about things like
Russia and all the rest of it. They didn't really
have an area of effective attack. So it's a shame
that this was the you know, the the hand of
cards that the country was was dealt at this point
(28:13):
in time because in the year that it happened, which
is awfully convenient too. Yes, yes, indeed, absolutely so we'll
come back into more this SUPs. We've got some updates
for you on Blincoln's testifying up up on Cappa Hill
to the Senate, and he's just he's just there to get,
you know, verbally fillated for a while. I mean, they're
just they're just giving him the rough stuff, which he
(28:35):
completely deserves. But he's not gonna He's not gonna resign,
I can tell you that much, folks. He's not gonna
step down. I don't. I don't think although man mc
cuomo resigned. So you know, I guess that anything is
possible these days, but I think it's very, very unlikely.
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Section Show. This is Buck. You know we've got some
from news breaking. It's from Bob Woodward book, but we'll
be talking about it in just a few minutes. Here.
It's essentially making the claim, which seems certainly plausible, that
there were secret discussions between then Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff Millie and his counterpart in the People's
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Liberation Army of China, effectively creating a back channel of
communication to let them know that don't worry, Trump's not
going to there won't be a war with China because
we won't allow Trump to declare war on China. That's
essentially what the allegations now Bob Woodward books. There's a
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lot of people that criticize them, I think rightly when
it comes to things like, oh, the people who come
out looking good in them tend to be people that
were probably sources for them. And then there's a whole
lot of very convenient reconstruction of dialogue, down to the
very words used without actual recordings of these things. Well,
we should come back into it. Don't admit it, because
(31:52):
it does strike me as credible and as plausible. But first,
Blinklin is getting the rough stuff up on Capitol Hill
from Algin's rightly so, especially because I think no one
really believes that Joe Biden was a commander in chief
who was closely managing what was happening with the withdrawal
from Afghanistan. That it was likely some of his subordinates
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who were doing it, and I would guess trying to
keep a lot of it play away from Biden so
that he wasn't gonna mess things up even more. Remember
Barack Obamas said, never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to blank
to active years ago. Yeah, that was when he was
you know, sharp as attack compared to now. Yes, but
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we have the blinking testimony on the Hill. I think
it's so interesting too. He was doing it remote. I
think he's remote again today. Remote so he can get
to the Hampton's Clay but not to Capitol Hill. Very interesting. Yeah,
the Secretary of State, you know, I thought Bill Himmer
made a good point. He's like, wait a minute, there
are you know, basically millions of people going to college
(32:57):
football games and NFL games and we can't have a
guy I go to Capitol Hill and testify in person.
I testified in person in March, I mean, you know,
of twenty twenty one, Like, maybe find a way to
do that. It would be just a suggestion. And I'll
tell you this. I've spoken to some of the people
that I respect in the national security and counter terrorism
analysis side of things, which basically means no one who
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goes on CNN because I know they're all they're all buffoons.
But in other places in the media, I've checked in
and they agree with me that it is almost certain
at this point. I mean, it is highly highly likely
that the Biden administration took a whole victory lap about
stopping a massive terror attack against our soldiers and civilians. Again,
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in Cobble, they actually blew up an entirely innocent AID worker,
seven members of his family children in the car. Senator
Ran Paul, who was willing to ask the tough questions
posed or really say the tough words, said this to
blink in today the guy the Biden administration droned, was
(34:02):
he an AID worker or an isis K operative. The
administration is of course reviewing that that strike, and I'm
sure that a you know, full assessment will be will
be for you don't know if it was an AID
worker or an isis K operative. I can't speak to that,
and I can't speak to that in the setting in
(34:23):
any event, So you don't know or won't tell us.
I don't I don't know, because we're reviewing it. Well, see,
you think you'd kind of know before you off somebody
with a predator drone, whether he's an AID worker or
he's an isis k wow. I mean that's a pretty
big deal. Play. It's a pretty big deal because it
wasn't just like a strike among many. This was the
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Biden team showing their command know how much in control
they were and how much they were able to protect Americans.
And if you haven't paid attention to this story, we
talked about it yesterday, came out on Friday. Credit to
the New York Times for writing it. The Washington Post
has also written a version of this. The evidence certainly suggest,
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as you just heard Brand Paul ask, that the guy
we essentially vaporized with a drone was hoping to come
to America and was basically a charity worker in Afghanistan.
And not only did we kill him, as Buck said,
we killed seven kids in his family, young kids in
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his family. I think it's ten people overall, Buck, And
again I would encourage you guys to go read about
that article. It's about Biden trying to show his competence
and how much in control in standing up to terrorist
he's willing to do, and instead it sounds like we
just vaporized a totally inno s Advandon his family Clay.
It never added up. Oh, they just so happened to
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have surveillance on the one guy who was the suicide
bombing car. The svbied, that's how good our intel on
the ground in Afghanistan. We didn't know the whole country
was gonna collapse and the TALIBANMA was gonna roll up
three hundred thousand on paper. Afghan national security forces we
had no idea about that. But we can find the
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one guy who's building the suicide car bomb to kill
our people when we're under a tight deadline or chaos,
and give me I was in the CIA. No way,
no way, man. It just never had it up. They
never would give us a name either. They said, oh,
trust us. Basically we took this guy. People were like, okay,
who was it? What was the significance? And they never
(36:31):
gave a name. And now all this data is coming
out and you held nervous blanket. Wasn't that answer? There
were two strikes. They didn't give us the names. The
guys they hit an eastern Nangar province, as they said,
were the facilitators. This was the imminent suicide bomb in
a striker and they blew up an innocent guy in
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