The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Podcast

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Twitter-banned Alex Berenson on all the latest covid data the media won't tell you about. Virginia election: Youngkin vs. McAuliffe. C&B review the Chappelle Netflix special. Five For Fighting's John Ondrasik on his Afghanistan protest song: "Blood on My Hands."

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the third hour of the Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show. Everybody, thanks for being here. Man. We
are flying through all these topics today. A lot to
still discuss though. Eight hundred two eight two two eight
eight two to open on Friday. We'll take some calls
from you in the back part of this hour for sure,
and we also want to make sure you remember to

(00:20):
subscribe to the podcast, The Clay and Buck Podcast Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Where have you listed podcasts?
They put it up hour by hours. If you missed
the second hour, you want to hear it right. Therefore,
you've missed a third hour. You know you do the
rest and figure that one out. We all got it
all right. Our friend Alex Barn's about to join us.
Want to say this comes from his sub stack, and
I just want to read you a quote from one

(00:41):
of his recent pieces of analysis. Here in the United States,
we do not force adults to take medicines or have
medical procedures if they're psychiatrically competent. Would you not make
them lose weight or stop drinking or exercise? Would you
not make women have abortions or get pregnant? Personal medical
decision making is personal. It does not belong to the state.
These COVID vaccine mandates and quasi mandates are fast becoming

(01:05):
the greatest infringement on liberty in the United States since
slavery was abolished. And I don't know what is going
to stop them. It's got a new book, Pandemia, which
you can get now, mister Alex Barrinson. Good to have
you back. Goodness talk your book. So let's just start
with top, top level view of what you're seeing right now,

(01:25):
as Biden and everyone's walking around the Democrat side saying, hey,
mandates work, isn't that great? Yeah, yeah, they work if
you force people to, you know, give up their jobs.
Even in an economy as tight aims or you know,
as this one, a lot of people have mortgages to
pay and they have kids to worry about, and they're

(01:47):
not going to give up their jobs. Even if they
don't want to be vaccinated. They will. They will take
you know, they will swallow hard and take the shot
and hope it's okay. I mean, so what's clear is
that a lot of people are doing this unwillingly at
this point. Okay, there's still a lot of people who
will not take this. Okay, you despite the fact, despite

(02:07):
all the pressure that's being put on right now, there's
still there's still a large number of people who are
not going to take this thing no matter what. But
what I think the administration is trying to do is
so you know, maybe sixty percent of the country, uh
maybe half the working into population was okay with this.
Um they were so scared of COVID that, you know,
and all they did was watch MSNBC and they thought

(02:29):
this was a miracle. Um so so so you know, so,
so you got about half the country through May that
was that was okay, and then they thought, hey, when
everybody else sees that how well this vaccine works, everyone
will sign up and it will be fine. You know,
because Americans in general actually are not anti vaccine. I
think I told you this, uh you know, a few

(02:50):
session a few times ago when I was on it,
something like ninety percent all of the children get their
recommended vaccines pretty much on schedule. Um so, so most
Americans are pretty happy to get their kids vaccinated with
vaccines that work, with vaccines that have been around a
long time, with vaccines that you know, that have a
mechanism of action that we understand. Okay, the rest, so

(03:12):
half the country didn't want to get vaccinated. Half the
adults you know who were under sixty five didn't want
to get vaccinated. And then something terrible happened to Anthony
Faucci and Joe Biden and the left, which is the
vaccine stopped working. Okay, they don't work. They don't prevent infection,
they don't prevent transmission. It looks like they have some

(03:35):
efficacy around severe disease and death, but it isn't clear
how long that lasts. Okay, and anybody who was looking
at the data could see this by late summer, and
in the face of this, the rational response would be,
all right, we tried this, we bought ourselves a few months.
Guess what. Mark came out with a pretty good drug
that looks like it can help people too. And that's it.

(03:59):
The great vaccine experiment, the Great mRNA vaccine experiment for
COVID is over. We can all go home now. They
won't do it. They won't admit the truth. They won't
admit that efficacy has gone away. They're trying to force
they're trying to Fouci and Biden in the face of
the CDC and the FDA want everyone to take boosters,

(04:19):
and they want to drag the rest of the country
over the line. So their hope is that they can
get to let's say, eighty percent with corporate mandates, which
are which you know. And somebody emailed me a conservative
email on me a couple of days ago and said,
this is terrible. The US has basically outsourced its constitution,
so so the US can't ban me from speaking, but

(04:42):
Twitter can, so the US the US government can lean
on Twitter to get it to do that, and then
I have to go sue if I want to get
back on Twitter. Okay, the US federal government cannot mandate
adults to get vaccinated, but it can lean on private
companies to do so, and that's what it's doing. And
if they get to eighty percent, then they'll really try
to squeeze those of us who are pushing back. They'll

(05:03):
say you can't fly and so, and that's what they're
going to do. And it's insane, Buck, it's insane. It's
interesting you mentioned that, Alex, we got seventy eight percent
of people aged eighteen and up who have gotten at
least one shot, according to the most recent New York
Times data, ninety five percent of people sixty five and

(05:24):
up have gotten the COVID vaccine. Those are pretty monstrous
numbers when you look at them in that context. That
is the vast majority of people of those ages. And
by the way, it's seventy six percent of those ages
twelve and up have gotten at least one shot, So
those are pretty monstrous numbers. The question, Alex, and thanks
for joining us here on this Friday. The question is,

(05:46):
and Buck and I have been talking about this. We
don't have a good read where are we headed as
the fall progresses and we go into the winner. We
understand you don't have a magical ability to prognosticate the future,
but you have been pretty outstanding looking at the data
and trying to forecast based on that data where we headed,
where are we headed into the fall and the winter.

(06:09):
So so you know, as we know, COVID makes fools
of people who try to predict it um and and
and also as we know, you never get points for
being right in your predictions. You only get noticed by
the people who don't like you if you're wrong. That's right,
that's right. That said, I think this idea you know
which a few which people, some people you know, serve
in the in the pro vaccine community, have said, and

(06:31):
you know, played all the all the great and good
minds at the New York Times, that we're maybe through
the worstness. I don't think that's correct at all. And
the reason is in the UK and in Israel, which
have you know, even higher rates of vaccine coverage than
we do, um, they have not. They have not come
close to eradicating COVID, and Britain is really in the

(06:53):
third month of another wave. And I think what happens,
I mean, it seems pretty clear what happens is that
after a few months your vaccine immunity wears off, and
so the only people who really have immunity are those
who got infected naturally and recovered. And I think in
the US we're probably I mean, you can argue about
this because we've never done the proper studies, but we're

(07:14):
in the forty to fifty percent range for that, and
so everybody else still needs to get infected, you know,
and and maybe you can sort of like roll that
out with vaccines as this vaccine immunity rolls on and off.
But in places like Britain, ninety seven percent of the
country has either vaccine anybodies or natural immunity. They've done

(07:36):
the studies, they know, and yet the epidemic continues there.
So what that tells you is that the vaccine anybody's
don't really work for very long. Alex, it's baking. I
want to know what we're seeing in terms of the
data right now. I mean, you know, Fauci has been
asked some questions recently, where goes Yeah, you know, we're
not tracking that. I mean, you start to find out

(07:56):
more and more. There's some things like breakthrough infections that
they don't seem to be tracking very closely, but you
get little snippets here and there. And I think it
was earlier this week I saw that, according to the
Health Department of the State of Massachusetts, about twenty five
percent roughly of people in the hospital with COVID were

(08:18):
fully vaccinated against COVID, And I feel like that's a number.
You know, they keep saying about the serious death and
serious death and are rather serious disease and death. Pardon
me that that's what it protects you from. But I
feel like people would also they would think very differently
about this if they were being told, well, you know,
maybe a quarter, maybe a third of vaccinated people that

(08:39):
end up in the or of people in the hospital
are going to be the vaccinated. I think that people
believe that that's never going to happen to them if
they're vaccinated. What does the number? What do the numbers
tell us? The numbers are much worse than that mark.
In Vermont, which is the most heavily vaccinated, seventy six
percent of the people who died in September will fully
vaccinated who died. That's not me making that up. That
is a number you can find in the in the

(09:01):
Vermont Health Department's website. Okay, seventy six percent of the
people who died were fully vaccinated. That is completely consistent
with the British experience where seventy and seventy five percent
of people who died, you know, in the last couple
of months were fully vaccinated. There. The vaccines, again, they
may reduce the risk of death, they don't reduce it

(09:23):
to you know that this idea that they reduce at
ninety to ninety five to ninety nine percent is just
not borne out by the data. And again there's this
time element, so for the first couple of months after
you're vaccinated, it looks pretty good. But then then then
your protection against the faction and transmission goes away, and
then at some point it looks like your protection against

(09:46):
serious disease and death also declines. I put out something
on my substact this morning, by the way, because you're right,
you can't find this data in a good place in
the United States, so you sort of have to rely
on random papers that come out. But there was a
very good paper that can amount two days ago, actually
three days ago, on the fifth of October, in a
peer review journal from US government and academic researchers, showing

(10:10):
month by month what has happened to infections in the
vaccinated in a large group of people, five hundred and
fifty thousand Americans. And it's an amazing chart. I ay,
just all the churches speaks for itself. It's a true
hockey stick. Between July and August, the number of cases
per day your risk went up five folds between July

(10:31):
and argus, are they basically just trying to get us
to start getting boosters alex before people can realize how
much the vaccines were all. Yeah, it's a good question
for Buck two, and I want to build on what
he just asked, Alex, If your data is as clear
as it appears to be, at some point there has
to be an acknowledgement of what's going on here? Right?
When does that acknowledgement occur? How does it happen? What

(10:53):
is the Biden administration hoping they're going to be able
to do by not acknowledging that this vaccine in quotation
marks is not the panacea that they've been selling to
the American public. I guess what they're hoping to do
is get through the winter. And you say that as
to being an acknowledgement, But I was banned from Twitter
on August twenty eighth. Okay, that's six weeks ago, and

(11:15):
nothing has come out except more data showing that I
was correct. Okay, all they did was forced me to substack,
but they got me off Twitter. So I can talk
to you, I can talk to Joe Rogan, I can
talk to Tucker. But I can't. But but you know
they are. They are forcing this argument to the margins,
and every day they're trying to get more people to
get that first shot. I don't exactly know why. I

(11:36):
guess the game is, let's get through the winter, because
the problem they must realize that they're going to face
is that in the northern half of the country, vaccine
immunity is rolling off at exactly the wrong time. That's right,
there will be there will be another big way of
this winter. If they don't get people to get a booster.
A booster, probably buy some a few months. Maybe they
get to the winter, and then the hope is, Okay,

(11:57):
we'll be two years into this, people will really be
sick of it. We'll have this merk therapeutic. Maybe we'll
have another couple of therapeutics. We can reduce to death
rate and we can stop. We will, we will stop
pretending the vaccines really work, and we'll just move on.
I guess that's the game. I don't know the game
because they don't have a working vaccine. Unbelievable. Alex. By
the way, we know you have a new book out, Pandemia.

(12:19):
We want to do to tell folks about it where
they can get it. Sure, so it's not out yet,
it will be out November thirtieth. In fact, I gotta
get you guys at copies early copies of it. But
you can order it on Amazon, you can order it
on BNN. You know, right now my focus is really
on the stack, on the substack, because that is where
I can reach people, and I can you know, and
I can prove to Twitter that even though they censored me,

(12:41):
I can still speak. But the book will be out
November thirtieth, and it is called Pandemia, which is sort
of you know, it's the pandemic hysteria, Pandemia outstanding. We'll
be reading it for sure. Thank you to Alex Berenson.
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(15:00):
play Travis Buck Sexton Show Final thirty minutes. As we
roll through the program here man Alex Berenson, I am
so glad that we have the ability to put him
on the program and allow him to talk about the
data with all of you, because so much of big
tech has shut him down, censored him, literally kicked him

(15:22):
off of Twitter because he was sharing inconvenient truths about
the COVID vaccine, the COVID shot, about all the data
surrounding it, and Buck and I have been quite clear
with all of you, we don't know where we're headed
in the fall and winter. We're not trying to predict ourselves.
But I do think that a lot of times, looking
at the data that is coming out of Israel and
coming out of England is what has allowed Alex Barrenson

(15:46):
to be so prescient in terms of looking into his
crystal ball and forecasting where we are headed. One question, Buck,
that is out there in terms of crystal ball dumb
is what is going to happen in Virginia. We've been
talking a little bit about the governatorial race in that state,
Young Cain going up against Terry mccaulliffe. And there have
been a lot of really body blows that I would

(16:09):
say have been delivered against Terry mccaulliffe in this race,
Glenn Young can most recent poll I saw basically a
one point difference here and Terry mccaulliffe. Remember Joe Biden
won the state of Virginia by ten points. It wasn't
particularly close. Biden is now underwater, meaning more people are
disapproving of Joe Biden in Virginia than approving, and even

(16:31):
Terry mccaulliffe now is recognizing that and discussing it. Let's
play that cut of Biden's unpopularity. In two thousand and four,
you said this about the election where President Bush beat
Al Gore. Let's go back to Florida. We actually won
the last presidential election. Folks, they stole my course to

(16:54):
talk about this. Yeah, I mean, we don't. So here's
the thing, Clay. We've been told now that the only
person who's ever claimed that an election was rigor stolen
and Trump so many times. And what's amazing is that
Democrats say elections are stolen regularly they say that it's
undermining democracy unless we go back and undo the election
of the past. And Terry mcculliffe is one of them.

(17:15):
I mean, these guys are such frauds. By the way,
He's an enormous fraud. I'm scared for the people of
Virginia that he may pull this out. I'm glad to
see that Glenn young Kin is making such a race
of it. I hope he wins. We've got Glenn coming
on the show next week, I believe, to talk about
that race in Virginia. And it's important for you to
know that mccauliffe basically is running away from Joe Biden
right now. And this is in a state again that

(17:37):
Biden won comfortably. Even there, he's not necessarily pulling away
in any respect, and mccauliffe getting called on his dishonesty
there as it pertains to whether or not he's telling
the truth. In two thousand and four, two thousand, all
that stuff now, all of a sudden, the countries at
grave danger because of the insurrection. On January sixth, By

(17:58):
the way, I got to talk to you about United
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close for years before dating and getting married. In two
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(18:20):
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(18:44):
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(19:14):
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(19:36):
to post things all the time. Over the weekend's play
is gonna be traveling, probably have some fun photos and
other things to show folks out there. I'm only a
couple of episodes into the Netflix phenomenon known as Squid Game,
which Clay is going to watch at some point. Right,
you're committed to watching it out you and the missus
should watch it. Yeah, I have agreed. The challenge during
football season is my life is so chaotic in terms

(19:59):
of in terms of everything that it's totally difficult. So
football games last like nine hours, so yeah, and that's
just all the travel and everything else. Usually when football
season ends is when I'm able to actually watch other
shows in and actually be able to chill and enjoy. Well,
we'll probably have some reviews for you for shows like

(20:19):
Narcos is coming out with its latest season pretty soon,
which I think is a fantastic show for what it is. Also,
Succession is a really fun show. Love it another really
good one. But the Dave Chappelle Netflix special is out
claim mentioning yesterday, and I finished my work in time
last night. I was a good boy who got my
homework done, so I felt like I had time to

(20:40):
watch a little Dave. It was only about it. It's
like an hour and ten, hour and fifteen, I think.
And so I watched the special and before the central
issue that the left is upset about has to do
with his comments about the trans community or trans individuals
within the LGBTQ plus community. And just to give you

(21:03):
a sense of the dichotomy that he discusses about public
anger at people based on things, here's a moment where
I think this got a lot of attention where he
laid that out. We've got a lot of the LBGTQ
community doesn't know the baby's history. He's a wild guy.

(21:26):
He wants shot and killed him in Walmart. Oh, this
is true. Googling the baby's shot and killed in Walmart
in North Carolina. Nothing bad happened to his career. Do

(21:46):
you see where I'm going with this? In our country,
you can shoot and kill it, but she's been that
hurt of gay person's feelings. So it verily Baby, who
I you know a little more about than I do,
was at a concert in Florida. I'd never even heard
of this guy before. He's a rapper who was at
a concert in Florida and said some bunch of anti

(22:10):
gay I don't even know what he said, but he
said a bunch of anti gay things and that, and
it was like his career was in serious jeopardy. He
had shot and killed somebody previously, and he had a
career in rapping. It was fine, this is what this
is what Dave Chappelle is saying. Yeah, I didn't know
that full story. My kids, especially my eleven year old,
listened to a lot of rap music and so he's

(22:31):
familiar with this performer. But that it really kind of
crystallizes the insane hypocrisy out here. You are better off
behaving in a violent fashion against each other then you
are saying something negative about the gay community. They almost
canceled the rapper over his comments about the gay community,

(22:53):
not over his actual shooting and killing of someone, which
is perfect for the modern social justice this er and
I think we got a couple of more clips. By
the way, they are demanding that Dave Chappelle, the comedian
who we just played that clip from It's Up on Netflix.
They are demanding that his entire comedic performance be pulled
off of Netflix be there. They want to cancel him

(23:15):
because they say that conversations like these are disrespectful. Oh no,
no way. Beyond disrespectful, it's violence, Clay. They say that
it's actual violence. Worn his comments making fun of people
will lead to other people doing violence. Think about the
chain of transmission, the chain of responsibility here will lead
to other people doing violence. Therefore, your words that I

(23:37):
don't like are violence. This is a construct the left
uses to shut down speakers on college campuses they don't like.
It's not the first time they've tried this, But here
he is. He put on a JK. Rowling, who is
a liberal borderline socialist. I mean, she's one of these
billionaire socialists, but she is a person of the left,
the Harry Potter author. But she does think that erasing

(24:00):
women as a real thing that is biological and grounded
in physical reality is a strange place to go, and
she doesn't agree with it. And Dave Chappelle stands in
solidarity in this special with JK Rowling, and they've canceled
people that are more powerful than me, canceled jk Rowling.
My god. Jk Rowling wrote all the Harry Potter books

(24:22):
by herself, and they canceled it because effectually she said
gender was a fact. And then the trans community got
mad as they started calling her a TURF. I didn't
even know what the was, so I looked it up.
TURF is an acronym stands for trans exclusionary radical feminist.
This is a real thing. This is a group of
women that hate transgend. They don't hate transgender women, but

(24:45):
they look at trans women the way we blacks might
look at blackface. It offends them. Now, I shouldn't speak
on this because I am not a woman, nor am
I trans. As we've established, I am a feminist. It
is amazing. I agree, I agree man, gender is a fact. Yeah.

(25:07):
See that's see, that's the sin that he cannot get
away with. Or rather, they want they try to not
let him go to he is getting away with it.
By the way, he's got this Netflix special. Um, what
was your first of all? How many people just learned
what a turf is? I mean, I gotta say I'm
doing good on the leftist lexicon. Turf For me, I
think I had heard it once before and I could
figure it out based on the letters. But that's a

(25:30):
that's a really like, uh, that's a you know, advanced
seminar level leftist word. Well, and I mean, to me,
the ultimate hypocrisy here, which you could easily drive through.
And I support comedians trying to push the envelope regardless
of what their political background is. But think about this
for a minute, and this is where the ultimate hypocrisy lies.

(25:50):
If you decide that you are going to change your gender,
you are considered a hero by the modern American left.
If you decide that you are going to change your race,
that is horribly racist and unacceptable. Yet my argument for
a long time Buck has been I have way more
in common with other men than I do with other

(26:14):
white men. In other words, if I had to say
what's more significant your race or your gender, I would
say the gender is far more significant. Yet you can
choose your gender, and if you question that, you are
horribly transphobic. But if you choose your own race, you
are horribly There's also obviously so much more constant crossover.

(26:35):
What what do we call somebody who is you know,
who has a you know, parents from Mumbai and another
parent from you know, from Venezuela. I mean, what, what
what race is this person? Right, there's actually a tremendous
amount of crossover, you know, malleability. Even race as a
concept as much more gender is actually a scientific and

(26:55):
demonstrable reality. Race is actually much more of a race,
is more fluid in many cases, Yes, and that I
mean one thing I think is fascinating is that they'll
also talk about, you know, you can effectively appropriate gender
to borrow leftist term, but you cannot appropriate a culture,
even though in fact all culture constantly appropriates from other cultures,

(27:17):
all cultures constantly borrowing, stealing, and actually the highest compliments
in because it came out of you know, Ethiopia originally,
like coffee, has been appropriate. That's what assimilation is. We
take the best things from around the world and everybody
uses them. And yet if you do that, I mean
now that you'll see if there's like a white girl
who wears you know, who has like braids or or

(27:38):
does certain hairstyles. You see a white guy with dreadlocks,
this is considered that's awful. But if a guy is
trans and says it now wants to be called a woman,
there you know the boundaries there are obviously, you know,
constantly changing. I'll just say this too. The only part
of this, I mean, there were some funny moments, there
were some there were some cringe moments too, honestly, like
watching the special, but he said at the end of

(27:59):
it all, he kind of walked it all back Clay
and said, I'm really just talking about white people. I'm
actually not I'm not criticizing anybody from the LGBTQ community.
That seemed weird to me, Like, well, yeah, and look,
I think anytime you put your fealty and any one person,
you're going to be disappointed because it's not your opinions, right,
you can't expect somebody else to perfectly elucidate your opinions.

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What I would say in general is this is one
way that I think conservatives can win because you start
to get creative people attacking woke culture. Yeah, that's you
couldn't do that stand up that he did last night
and get away with it. I mean I could do it.
I could do it now because I've got enough money
that it doesn't matter if somebody tries to come. But
I mean, like I think you wouldn't you know, culturally speaking,

(28:43):
you wouldn't get away with saying the things that that
Dave Chappelle is saying. Right, that's another party. That's the
problem with identity politics in general is that it creates
different speech codes for different people based on immutable characteristics.
We don't get to choose. I gotta run out. I'm
headed to Texas that I'm headed to LA I'll hang
out with all you guys next week. Buck. Have a
great weekend. Yeah, man, have a great weekend. Clay. Everyone's

(29:04):
gonna say goodbye to Clay for now. He'll be back
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(30:54):
so much for being with us today. If you missed
any part of the show, go to the podcast please
of the Clay Traps us In Buck Sexton Show. Wherever
you get your podcast, The iHeart app a great place
to do it. But we have a special guest with
us now. Grammy nominated singer songwriter John Ondrasik of five
for Fighting. He's known for his hits A Hundred Years
and Superman, and John was so appalled by our withdrawal

(31:16):
from Afghanistan under the Biden administration that he wrote a
song expressing his anger, which has gone viral. The song
Blood on My Hands really connected with the military, so
much so that John decided to donate all proceeds to
Afghan refugee and relief charities as well as the Gary
Sini's Foundation. He did a show in New York City.
Here a couple nights ago. Our producer Ali actually went

(31:37):
it was free for all veterans. John joins us. Now, John,
thanks for being on the show, Buck, thanks for having me.
So I understand this all started because you got a
phone call from a friend, a private citizen who was
organizing evacuation missions out of Afghanistan at the end of
the summer. Tell us what happened. That's true. I had
no intention of writing a song, took no pleasure in

(31:57):
releasing this type of song. But I have a friend
who called me and said, hey, I need a contact.
I'm organizing evacs of am sits from Afghanistan. And this
is after we left our last troop left the ground,
and there was quiet on the line, and I said,
so you're telling me you're going to risk your life,
in your colleague's life, to go rescue Americans we left behind,
and she kind of choked up and said yeah. And

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the song started. The first few verses came about, and
it really wrote itself. When the President came out and
gave his Extraordinary success speech, and I kept waiting for
Million Austin to come out and clarify that I have
great respect for the military. I've sent my whole career
playing for the military. But when they echoed the extraordinary
airlift narrative, I realized very quickly this was a political operation,

(32:42):
not a military one. And the lines about them and
their kind of disgrace of their honor wrote themselves. John,
You've always been very supportive of the military. You've performed
a lot, I know for the USO, you've donated music
to the troops, you performed in the nine to eleven
concert in New York City. What was it about this
particular event that really propelled you to action? I think

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deep down we all know that the American honor has
been damaged. We've lost the piece of our soul by
not just abandoning American citizens, but abandoning allies that fought
with us that maybe saved our soldiers' lives to the Taliban.
And I think until we admit that complicity, there's been
zero accountability. As you know, you've been documenting this from

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day one. Nobody's resigned, nobody's been fired. Until we admit
that complicity and take some accountability for our role in
this disaster, especially for women and children in Afghanistan, that
shame in our gut, like any shame will continue to
fester and our moral conscience will continue to erode. So
I think it's going to have generational genderis or consequences.

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And I am I'm just so hurt for our veterans
who every night after the show come up to me.
They can't even talk. There's tears in their eyes. They're anger,
they're shame. And I've noticed what the song you mentioned
the concert before you New York, back in the day.
I saw a song twenty years ago help people get
to a really hard time. Songs can be cathartic in

(34:06):
ways other things can't. And our troops need to know
they are not alone. America is feeling their pain and
their anger, and I think that's one reason the song's resonating.
When you heard about the popular Afghan folk singer Fauad
under Robbie who was dragged from his home and shot
by the Taliban in late August, what impact did that
have on you as a fellow musician. You tell me

(34:29):
it's like you would think that if they free folksinger
was killed by the Taliban another country, maybe Rolling Stone
would put him on their cover. Maybe all these people
AOC and all the folks that have their Virtue Hill,
and they talk about compassion when we're seeing the biggest
women's rights disaster in a generation. Might speak up about

(34:50):
that the music industry, Look, Buck, we know I would
have written the same song if Donald Trump was president,
only the name would change and we'd know I'd be
the toast of the town practicing my Grammy speech. Where
are the usual suspects who talk about compassion oppression? They
should be writing these songs, not just me. It's a disgrace, John.
What are veterans who come up to you who have

(35:12):
been really affected by this song? What are they saying
to you? And what would you now, with all fifty
states having radio stations and a lot of veterans in
our audience here, what do you want to say to them?
They're angry at million Austin. They feel that the usual
troops on the ground, when they make mistakes, they're held accountable.
But these guys are going to get book deals and

(35:32):
do one hundred thousand dollars keynotes. But mostly they're ashamed
because people that were fighting by their side have been
left behind. Now here's the good news. The American promise
has not been forgotten. We have vets who have drained
their bank accounts, they have quit their jobs. They are
down there as we speak, performing operations to keep the
American promise alive, and you will have them on your

(35:52):
show one day. Their stories are heroic. I talk to
them and some of my contexts every day. So to
the vets out there, we love you, we have your back,
we know we know what you're feeling. If you need help,
Gary Siney's Foundation, there's so many outlets America have your back,
even though our government has let you down. We're gonna
post John's song Blood on my Hands at our websiteclanbuck

(36:13):
dot com. You can also find out more about what
John's doing to help veterans there. John Ondrasik of five
for fighting John. Great to have you here, sir, come
back soon. Thanks buddy, have a good weekend. Take care,
And just in closing, team, I want to tell you
all that I am very pleased I'll be receiving an
honor from the Metropolitan Republican Club of New York tonight

(36:36):
here in New York City. I've been telling people in
the last couple days to go. Apparently it's totally sold out,
so we've already gotten tickets because they're at max capacity,
but very kind. They're just honoring the work that we
do here on the show. And so I'll be taking
award on behalf of the show. So if you're gonna

(36:56):
be there down at New York City at the Metropolitan
Republican Club, be great to see you. Please come over
and say hi, and we'll hang out. We'll chat a
little bit, and honestly, I'm just gonna rest up this weekend,
dive into some research, get ready to bring you the
best show we possibly can on Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody,
talk to you soon. You're listening to Clay Travis and

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