October 13, 2021 • 37 mins
Author Heather MacDonald on America's crime wave. Will Dems pay a price for their disastrous policies? Defund the Police is the dumbest political decision of all-time. Nets ban Kyrie Irving from playing until he gets the covid vaccine. C&B take calls on crime, the economy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
We are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program.
Joined now by Heather McDonald. She is a senior fellow
at the Manhattan Institute, a contributing editor at City Journal,
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and the author of the best selling book War on Cops. Heather,
thanks for joining us. I gotta say your data and
your analysis of that data, which I have read a
lot distributed through the Wall Street Journal editorial page, has
been so fabulously well done. Thank you for the work
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that you have that you have produced, and also for
the impact you have had in terms of helping to
fight back against the onslaught of defund the police. Why
do you think there is such antipathy towards police? How
do we end it? And we ever ended well, thank
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you so much. We end it by being realistic about
crime in this country. The Americans are turning their eyes
away from the civilizational breakdown in the inner city that
is leading to these utterly barbaric, insane drive by shootings
that are taking every single day, literally dozens of black lives.
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The country doesn't want to confront that, and instead we're
blaming the messenger. We're blaming the cops. They cannot fight
crime without having a disparate impact racially. Everything that's happening
today in the criminal justice system, Clay and Buck can
be explained by two words, disparate impact. We are unwinding
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criminal law enforcement or unwinding incarceration because you cannot enforce
the law without having a disparate impact on black criminals.
Why are we doing that? Why do we want to
enforce law to save black lives. There's no government agency
more dedicated to the proposition that black lives matter than
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the police. And what we've seen in the time since
the George Floyd race riots, the police have backed off.
The result was utterly predictable, the largest one year increase
in homicide in this nation's history thirty percent. We have
to stop demonizing Joe Biden, have to stop putting out
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this lie that the biggest thing that black parents have
to fear when their children walk out the door is
the police. That is utterly fantastical, and it continues to
escape go to profession. That is really in these inner
city neighborhoods, the only thing standing beside the thousands of
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good law abiding residents that live there, and utter anarchy.
We're speaking to Heather McDonald, author of The War on Cops,
an excellent book I recommend to all of you. I
have my copy at home. Heither It's back. I want
to know what you can tell us about whether we
are seeing a bit of a final turning of the tide.
Enough pushback against you mentioned disparate impact and the way
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this affects law enforcement, the amount of theft that is
going on, really systematic shoplifting and just looting. Actually, I mean,
I think when you have a bag and you are
just taking all the most high priced items you can
get your hand on, throwing it in the bag in
broad daylight and walking not even necessarily running out of
a store, it's clear to people seeing that how there's
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something's going on. Is there finally pushback for the district attorneys,
because that's not even necessarily a police level, that's a
legislative and district attorney issue in places like California New York.
Are we seeing that backlash? Not enough? Frankly, I mean,
we had some of the most left wing prosecutors in
the country re elected in the last election. Cycle, and
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you're right, Buck, it is we have given up on
bourgeois or norms of respect for property. Why again, because
they have disparate impact. That we are living this experiment
in progressive ideology, which is that you can unwind law
enforcement and you're going to have peace and love. Instead,
what you get is barbarism, anarchy, unbridled theft, unbridled attacks.
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You know, it's tragic in San Francisco when you have
Walgreens shutting dozens of stores simply because it does not
want to have to ac cost and arrest shoplifters again
because of disparate impact. The result is is that senior
citizens who depend on those pharmacies for their drugs are
out of luck. The law abiding people are being sacrificed
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in order not to have a conversation about what's going
on in the inner city. The thing to watch for
everybody is what happens in Minneapolis. Minneapolis was the start
of this latest wave of anti cop hatred after George Floyd.
They've lost about a third of their police departments you've had.
When Al Sharpton was there celebrating the one year anniversary
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of the George Floyd death at that time, you'd had
two girls, a nine year old and a six year
old in the last couple of days right before that,
having been shot in the head by these insane drive
by shootings, who died in a ten year old boy
who was shot in the head in his parents' car,
who is on life support for the brain dead for
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the rest of his life. Not a word from Al
Sharpton and Benjamin Crump. But Minneapolis has a vote coming
up on its progressive attempt to unwind the police department
and replace it with social workers. I don't think that
that initiative is going to pass. That will be a
good sign, but I frankly do not see enough pushback.
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The progressives are still pushing the phony narrative that we
are living under systemic races, which is not the case.
We are living under bad behavior that has consequences. We
don't have an incarceration problem in this country. We don't
have mass incarceration. We have a crime problem. We're talking
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to Heather McDonald. Heather, you had a stat that blew
my mind, and I want to ask you to share
it with our audience, because I think a lot of
people might not have heard it. We hear all the time,
Oh my god, the police, they're so racist. Like you said,
there's the narrative that is being shared that black people
are in danger of being murdered by police at a
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regular level, even though seventy five percent of people shot
by police are white, Asian or Hispanic, and even though
over fifty percent of all murders are committed by black
people in this country. And it's like, you can't say
that without people saying, oh my god, it's so racist
of you. How is it racist to share a fact?
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You shared a data point in one of your articles
that blew my mind. It was the chances of a
police officer being shot by a black person as opposed
to a black person being shot by a police officer.
I think, am I correct in that it's something like
twenty eight, which was more likely? In other words, who
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was under more danger? Yeah, exactly. Let's just look. Let's
let's start with the basic numbers. I would love for
your listeners to guess how many unarmed blacks have been
killed this year by the police. My guess is they
will say hundreds, if not thousands. The number is four
four unarmed blacks out of a population of forty seven million,
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and unarmed is defined very liberally. This is the Washington
Post count include people who are grabbing an officers gun
beating them with it. Now you compare that to the
number of police officers who have been fatally criminally assaulted
and killed this year, it's about fifty five. When you
compare the population ratios and calculate how many acts are
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likely to have killed those cops. Because blacks historically make
up about forty percent of all cop killers blackmails, even
though there's six percent of the population, a police officer
is three hundred and seventy five times as likely to
be killed by a black as an unarmed black male
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is to be killed by a police officer. So the
threat level is exactly the reverse of what we've been
led to expect. And yet police officers continue to go
into high crime neighborhoods trying to save lives, putting their
own lives at risk, and when they back out, the
result is last year, we've probably going to see about
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ten thousand blacks who were killed. That's more than all
white and Hispanics combined. That those are the bodies that
the mainstream media does not want to talk about, because
if you talk about black crime victims. You have to
talk about black criminals, and nobody wants to do that.
To McDonald, author of the War on Cops, Heather the
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defund the police narrative has certainly run into some political
problems now because cities like Austin, Texas, like Minneapolis, New
York that have either defunded or said they were in
the process of defunding police have had major increases in
homicides and shootings. I know you've been detailing and putting
out a lot of those stats. Is defund the police
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now politically toxic as a slogan? Or is this just
going to go through a cycle. I mean, I like
to remind everybody BLM in June of twenty twenty was
really BLM two point zero, and it started under the
Obama administration. It certainly did. We had the Ferguson effect
in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen after the Michael Brown shooting,
another two thousand Blacks killed over two years compared to
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twenty fourteen. Last year, we had another two thousand in
one year. I think it's becoming toxic. But you know
what I'm looking for, Buck and Clay is changed in
the Biden administration you know, I do not see any
backing of of Merritt Garland both pretending that that conservatives
are domestic terrorists. I don't see any backing off of
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them saying we're going to put as many police departments
under enormously costly, enormously burtison enormously unnecessary, consent decrees. Biden
could do a heck of a lot if he said
I was wrong. I've seen now what happens when you
demonize the cops. Minneapolis again, ground zero of the anti
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police movement. Car stops dropped eighty five percent after the
race riots. Pedestrian stops dropped seventy five percent. Cops are
making a very valid, understandable calculation. There's a whole lot
of discretionary activity, like getting out of your car, initiating activity.
If you see somebody on a known drug corner at
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two am hitching up his waistband as if he has
a gun, you can or you cannot get out of
your car. You don't need to. There hasn't been a
nine one one call. Cops are saying, I'm driving on
buy I'm not going to stop that gang banger and
see if he's got a gun, because if the situation
escalates and it's caught on cell phone. I may be
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out of my job, I may be facing a criminal penalty.
Who knows if you can get due process of law
in this country, because juries know that if they don't
convict a police officer, America will burn to the ground.
That's what happened after Derek Chauvin trial. And so officers
are not doing discretion or activity and the result was
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again predictable. As you say, we saw this in twenty fifteen.
Twenty sixteen with deep policing, crime went up. Crime has
gone up twice as much now, and Biden has a
lot of explaining to do. Heather, I really appreciate your work.
How many people do you hear from that say I
want to share the data that you have written. I
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want to share all of the things that you are saying,
but I'm afraid that if I do, I'll get called racist. Huge.
It's a huge problem. It is so amazing. These are bodies.
The bodies do not lie. Homicide data is the gold
standard in criminology for every and we know blacks die
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of homicide in this country between the ages of ten
and forty three at thirteen times. The rate of whites.
That means they are killing each other at thirteen times
the rate of whites. Blacks commit eighty eight percent of
all interracial crime between blacks and whites. These are the data,
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but nobody dares talk about them because to talk about
the black victims means you're a racist. I just you know,
people like me that I've been writing about this, we
keep scratching our heads and saying but, but, but, but
black lives matter. Don't They know? They don't because America,
as I say, does not want to talk about the
cultural behavioral family breakdown in the inner city. You have
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elite institutions that would rather accuse themselves of phantom racism
because they are so terrified that the behavior and achievement
gaps are never going to close, that they're setting out
in advance the only allowable explanation for crime disparities, for
achievement disparities, which is white racism. That is an explanation
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that holds no water whatsoever in a country where now
every single mainstream institution is bending over backwards to hire
and promote as many minorities as possible. We were once
appallingly racist. We are not so today. Heather McDonald's, author
of The War on Cops and at the Manhattan Institute. Heather,
thank you so much, but thank you so much great pleasure.
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Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck. We were just talking
Clay and I with Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute,
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who is fearless on the topic of defund the police
of black lives matter of crime in America. She really
knows her stuff. I mean, I've seen her go toe
to toe with people many times, had her on many times.
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you get your podcasts. And we just thought Heather really
really brought it, and you know, we we do think
it's very possible that there might be a real political
price paid by the Democrats on two in two areas
well three. Actually there's so many. Yeah, I wasna I
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kept trying to narrow down. I'm like, I was gonna
say crime, that's gonna say, well, actually the border, and
that's gonna say, well, actually the economy, and that is
say we'll actually, you know, foreign policy, COVID, you get one,
you get on the list. The actual question at this
point would be where would the Democrats if the election
were held in you know, the mid terms were held
in a few weeks, where would they not pay a
political price? And you know, I don't know. I think
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the only thing they have, bucket. This is what I
think is gonna end up happening the midterm is abortion.
I really think. I think they're gonna try to terrify
everybody in the suburbs as a war on women. Yeah,
get those suburban suburban women to be their only play
suburban singer women or something that the Democrats look to
give them advantage with all the time. But here's here's
DC police chief. We just want to get to this,
Rob CONTI blasting defund the police. I remember what defund
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looked like, right when we didn't have the twols that
we needed and we were the murder capital and our
police officers shot more people than anywhere else in the country,
right here in our nation's capital. We were poorly trained
as a department back then, So I don't know what
defund looks like. At that time, police officers were going
into their pocket to put breaks on cars and tires
on cars. So, you know, when people say the fund
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to me, you know, I look at it as you know,
we're taking money away from from the police department. And
while we may be trying to do other things, I
think we have to be able to this is this
country I believe has enough money that we can do
both things, and we can do both things well. We
can provide services that community members need to do, guttering,
community to invest in education, social work, all those things.
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But we also need to make sure that our police departments,
that our law enforcement agencies are properly funded to do
the job that communities expect them to do. Anyone who
knows about police work Clay says the same thing. It's
amazing that's considered to be anything other than conventional wisdom.
Defund the police buck is the stupidest idea to gain
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COVID vaccine mandates is, obviously most employees don't have the
ability to say no, because most of us out there
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so all of this trumpeting of oh, look, COVID vaccine
mandates work. Yes, if you threaten people with losing their jobs,
most people out there don't have the financial wherewithal or
the flexibility to be able to say I'm not going
to comply with your mandate. There's an interesting story going
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on right now in the NBA with a player named
Kyrie Irving. Now we've talked before about how NBA players
have been very questioning in many ways of the efficacy
and necessity of COVID vaccines, but essentially because of city
mandates in New York City, in LA and in San Francisco.
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By and large, if you are an athlete in those
locations playing indoors and you are refusing to be vaccinated,
you are not able to do your job. So Kyrie
Irving right now, at least for the moment, is sticking
to his guns and refusing to be held be a
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part of the COVID vaccine mandate, and he therefore is
not going to be able to play in your hometown
of New York City for the Brooklyn Nets. He's one
of the best players in the NBA, one of the
highest paid. What's interesting to me is not only Kyrie
Irving having the resources to fight against the COVID vaccine
man date, and also to put a different spin on
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who is refusing the COVID vaccine right We're not talking
about Southwest Airline pilots. We're not talking about Trump supporting
Red state voters. What's interesting here, Buck is not only
Kyrie Irving so far saying no to the COVID vaccine.
It's what this says about larger society's ability to understand
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and acquiesce to risk. And I want to see if
you buy into this analogy here in the nineteen nineties,
Magic Johnson tested positive for HIV. At that point in time,
HIV was a death sentence. The idea was if you
got it, you were going to die, and announced that
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he was no longer going to be able to play.
After getting treatment, the NBA permitted Magic Johnson to come
back and play. They changed protocols to say if you
had to cut, you had to come off the court.
There were players that were apprehensive and nervous about the
idea of obviously, with bodies being into each other, the
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idea of potentially blood transmission leading to an HIV infection.
But Magic Johnson was allowed to play. I want to
contrast that, and by the way, that's the right decision,
I think, based on the data and the science. But
the risk of an HIV infection occurring, however remote and
limited it might have been, during the course of competition,
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was at that point in time considered to be a
death sentence. In other words, unlike COVID, which spreads and
if you get it, you're sick. If you're a young,
healthy athlete, you might not even know you had it.
We haven't had any athletes who are in competition that
we know of at the professional level where COVID is
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even spread from one team to another or one player
to another, even in something like football where you're tackling.
Certainly in basketball hasn't happened. And obviously Michael Jordan is
one of the most famous athletes of all time partly
because he played basketball with the flu. Refused to allow
the flu, at least according to historical record, to keep
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him from having an incredible game. Obviously, the flu is
very communicable during the course of a game as well.
That made him a legend. Do you find this interesting?
In the space of whatever it is twenty five years roughly, Buck,
we have gone from let's find a way to allow
Magic Johnson to play with HIV, which at that time
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was effectively a death sentence, to now we can't even
allow Kyrie Irving in New York City or LA or
San Francisco to play if he's unvaccinated, even though Buck,
they can test him and confirm that he isn't COVID positive,
and that anybody out there who is nervous about this
could go get their own COVID vaccine and theoretically have
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even more protection. What does that tell us about risk
analysis and risk factors. Do you find this as intriguing
as I do in a larger societal picture, Yes, because
the people who are pushing for the mandates won't really
say this out loud, but they need in their own
minds for the mandates to be universal and without exception, right,
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so they needed to apply to everybody. They need there
to be almost no opt outs or loopholes whatsoever, because
in their minds they're going to turn COVID. And this
is I think where the epidemiology, not that I'm a
doctor or playing on a radio, but this is where
the epidemiology becomes a problem for them. They think that
this is going to be like measles. They think that
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this is going to be like malaria, a disease that
we have effectively eradicated in the United States. They don't
seem to understand that this is going to be much
more like either the common cold or the flu in
terms of the various iterations of a strange way, the
mutations there. It will never be gone entirely the same
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way that as much as it would save a lot
of lives and billions of dollars of lost productivity and
working out is every year to get rid of the
common cold, to get rid of the flu. We don't
yet have the scientific basis to do that. We don't
yet have the knowledge to do that, and we are
seeing I think that people believe that this is going
to be because this is what they're saying also about
the vaccine men. It's oh, it's just like what about measles, mumps, rubella.
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Those are different diseases that have different levels of or
different speeds of mutation, and also are much more dangerous
to children if they get them. I mean that's so
they're comparing things that aren't really that much alike, and
they're negating things that actually do have a lot of similarities.
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With this and because of the one size fits all
policy is the only policy that will allow them to
feel safe and warm and nite when they go to sleep.
The Fauciites want this to be a everyone has to
bend the knee scenario. And with Kyrie Irving, I mean,
of course, what are we really even talking about here?
Right when you discuss the application of this policy. He
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might get COVID and therefore he might expose some of
his teammates. Well, he might get COVID and expose people
in any number of ways that aren't his teammates. Where
this is the world we live in, why not at
least make it a He's got to get tested regiment,
which the Biden administration and their OSHA rule says is
an opt out from vaccination for employers more than one
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hundred So why go to this extreme? The chance of
Kyrie Irving getting COVID and dying from it is effectively zero.
I mean it's almost here, It's statistically zero, and yet
they're going to force him to get this shot. You
sit here say, if they can do this to you
based on the risk parameters that we're dealing with, what
can the government not do to you in the name
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of health. This is what I think the conversation people
need to start to have, need to start to think about.
And I think what has to happen is people with
the resources can fight this. I think what Kyrie Irving,
whether you agree or disagree with him on a variety
of different subjects, he has the financial resources to be
able to survive and take care of his family without
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making the money right now. And so there are a
lot of people out there with the same financial resources.
These are the people that need to be fighting the
battle because it's unfortunate. But there's a lot of people
out there who are facing COVID vaccine mandates. We know
because we've taken their calls buck who, Hey, if they
don't get the shot, then they aren't able to pay
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their mortgage, they aren't able to take care and go
get food for their family. And so as a result,
a lot of people have to comply, even though they
fundamentally reject the very precept of requiring mandating these vaccines.
So it also changes the storyline of who exactly is
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We are rolling through the second hour of the program.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Encourage you
to go download the podcast Buck even if you usually don't,
because I gotta tell you, we have a lot of
good guests on here. But Heather McDonald just laying out
the facts behind why defund the police is one of
the dumbest political decisions of all time. If you're just
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joining us right now and you didn't hear that discussion
at the top of the second hour, that's the kind
of information we want to give you and allow you
to be able to share with your friends and family
out there when they're making arguments and they're completely illogical
about police being dangerous. She was just phenomenal. Yeah, she
really was very strong, guests, I would be interested to
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see an analysis of because remember, defund the police really
got going. It was under the Trump administration. Of course,
it was a Democrat movement, and the Democrats managed to
we could talk about all the ways and all the things,
but they managed to at least push Joe Biden into
the Oval office. Despite the fact that cities were burning,
and as Heather described it, there were race riots going
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on the summer of twenty twenty. David in Kentucky has
some thoughts on Heather McDonald. Want to get him on, David, welcome, Hey,
good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you all. We're good, Thank you, good,
excellent show man. I've been in law enforcement several years. Um,
never seen it this bad, never thought it would even
begin to get this bad. Heather is spot on. I
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know a lot of times we just looked blind eye
to what's going on. They don't want proactive policing here.
They don't want proacting policing in a lot of states anymore. Um.
You know, I jump out on the gays standing on
the corner. I'm chastised because I'm doing my job. You know,
it doesn't have anything to do with its African American,
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Baxican white, doesn't doesn't doesn't matter if he has suspicious
activity going on. We just turned blind eye to it, man,
until we get to call most of us. Yeah, David,
you know they're actually not even allowed to respond. Thank
you for calling in as a law enforcement officer. They're
not even allowed Clay to respond now, and I say
allowed it's official policy in Austin, Texas, in an otherwise
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great state. As we know, Austin is uh the the
little piece of blue in the midst of all that red,
although obviously Dallas and Houston are also majority Democrat cities,
but Austin police are not. They defunded it over a
one hundred billion dollars and they don't respond to property crimes.
They'll say, sorry, we'll send somebody over there in a
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day or two, you know, unless there's an actual felony
in progress or there's a violent crime that's being reported.
Cops in Austin are told, sorry, you'll get to it
when you're Rather, people who call the cops are told,
we'll get to it when we get to it. Tyler
in Sacramento, California got some thoughts on the shipping situation.
What's up, Tyler, Good morning, guys, calling you from Sacramento,
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Russia's old stopping grounds from KFPK. Indeed appreciate that I
actually has some thought about this container crisis right now,
and I am of the opinion that it's completely manufactured.
I work in the American maritime industry and there seems
to be a huge layer of focus in the drive
by media right now. But oh the backup in Long Beach,
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at backup and Long Beach back up in Long Beach?
Have people forgotten that the entire like there's like another
ten container terminals all along the West Coast, I mean
even very close along with Beach in San Diego and
PORTLANDIMI in Oakland, in Portland and Tacoma that could all
handle this traffic. But why are we all back? Why
is everybody's focused on just the backups in Long Beaches.
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It's completely manufactured. There's no reason on the planet that
these ships could not go up to say Oakland. While
I was waiting for this call, I looked up how
many ships are in port of San Francisco right now,
and the twenty four spots to have for an ship's anchorage,
only eleven are taken right now. And there's only seven
container ships in San Francisco, three of which are American
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flat container ships right now in San Francisco Bay compared
to what the two three does. Is one of the
big Sorry to cut you off, and I'm far from
a logistics expert, but isn't one of the big problems
with all of the supply chain right now? That there
aren't enough workers to be able to distribute and unload
the product, and also that due to inflationary pressures, the
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cost of shipping have increased to such a substantial degree
that many companies are not able to effectively and efficiently
transport their product without having to massively increase the overall cost.
I appreciate your call, but the data seems to reflect
and again just looking at the data, that we are
going to see shortages, and I would tend to believe
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that much of this is now related to COVID disruptions.
And my wife keeps hammering me on this buck, so
I'm gonna try to say it, Well, these are choices
we made about COVID. COVID didn't cause this, right, And
I think that's an important distinction, COVID response, not the
virus path. Yes, And so much of the discussion occurs
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as if COVID has caused this to happen. No, no, no, no,
it's our response to COVID that has caused many of
the societal disruptions that still are plaguing our country. Right,
you have to remember some of the dynamics everyone that
we're ascended to the Democrat Party in the last election,
especially during the Democrat primary, that COVID essentially provided an
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opportunity for the implementation of those things. Client I talk
about modern monetary theory in a regular basis. Bernie Sanders,
the Sandernistas, these are people who generally believe in MMT
and oh my gosh, the COVID emergency. We have to
spend trillions and trillions of dollars pay people to stay home.
Remember the rise of universal basic income, another very popular
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idea in some quarters of the left. Well, we started
sending people checks to stay home and not go to work.
They've had not even really a dry run. They've had
a taste of some of these things that they hadn't
been able to get and have wanted on the left
for a long time. This all goes into what we're
seeing now with the massive social engineering that they're hoping
(35:57):
to get through with the multi trillion dollar stimulus slash,
rescue splash, whatever they're calling it built. I don't think
there's any doubt we come back more of this chaos
that's going on in the country. We haven't talked about
it a lot buck but things have gotten so bad
in California that businesses are just saying we're gonna shut
down because we can't make money because people are stealing
from us too much. Plus, we've got leaked border patrol
(36:20):
documents showing the mass release of illegal immigrants into the
US by the Biden administration. That story just breaking on
Foxnews dot Com in the last couple of hours. We
will bring that to you the border. Friends, the Biden
administration does not want you to hear what Clay and
I are going to be telling you about the border,
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the truth about it in just a few minutes. So
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
We are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program.
Joined now by Heather McDonald. She is a senior fellow
at the Manhattan Institute, a contributing editor at City Journal,
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and the author of the best selling book War on Cops. Heather,
thanks for joining us. I gotta say your data and
your analysis of that data, which I have read a
lot distributed through the Wall Street Journal editorial page, has
been so fabulously well done. Thank you for the work
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that you have that you have produced, and also for
the impact you have had in terms of helping to
fight back against the onslaught of defund the police. Why
do you think there is such antipathy towards police? How
do we end it? And we ever ended well, thank
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you so much. We end it by being realistic about
crime in this country. The Americans are turning their eyes
away from the civilizational breakdown in the inner city that
is leading to these utterly barbaric, insane drive by shootings
that are taking every single day, literally dozens of black lives.
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The country doesn't want to confront that, and instead we're
blaming the messenger. We're blaming the cops. They cannot fight
crime without having a disparate impact racially. Everything that's happening
today in the criminal justice system, Clay and Buck can
be explained by two words, disparate impact. We are unwinding
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criminal law enforcement or unwinding incarceration because you cannot enforce
the law without having a disparate impact on black criminals.
Why are we doing that? Why do we want to
enforce law to save black lives. There's no government agency
more dedicated to the proposition that black lives matter than
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the police. And what we've seen in the time since
the George Floyd race riots, the police have backed off.
The result was utterly predictable, the largest one year increase
in homicide in this nation's history thirty percent. We have
to stop demonizing Joe Biden, have to stop putting out
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this lie that the biggest thing that black parents have
to fear when their children walk out the door is
the police. That is utterly fantastical, and it continues to
escape go to profession. That is really in these inner
city neighborhoods, the only thing standing beside the thousands of
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good law abiding residents that live there, and utter anarchy.
We're speaking to Heather McDonald, author of The War on Cops,
an excellent book I recommend to all of you. I
have my copy at home. Heither It's back. I want
to know what you can tell us about whether we
are seeing a bit of a final turning of the tide.
Enough pushback against you mentioned disparate impact and the way
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this affects law enforcement, the amount of theft that is
going on, really systematic shoplifting and just looting. Actually, I mean,
I think when you have a bag and you are
just taking all the most high priced items you can
get your hand on, throwing it in the bag in
broad daylight and walking not even necessarily running out of
a store, it's clear to people seeing that how there's
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something's going on. Is there finally pushback for the district attorneys,
because that's not even necessarily a police level, that's a
legislative and district attorney issue in places like California New York.
Are we seeing that backlash? Not enough? Frankly, I mean,
we had some of the most left wing prosecutors in
the country re elected in the last election. Cycle, and
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you're right, Buck, it is we have given up on
bourgeois or norms of respect for property. Why again, because
they have disparate impact. That we are living this experiment
in progressive ideology, which is that you can unwind law
enforcement and you're going to have peace and love. Instead,
what you get is barbarism, anarchy, unbridled theft, unbridled attacks.
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You know, it's tragic in San Francisco when you have
Walgreens shutting dozens of stores simply because it does not
want to have to ac cost and arrest shoplifters again
because of disparate impact. The result is is that senior
citizens who depend on those pharmacies for their drugs are
out of luck. The law abiding people are being sacrificed
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in order not to have a conversation about what's going
on in the inner city. The thing to watch for
everybody is what happens in Minneapolis. Minneapolis was the start
of this latest wave of anti cop hatred after George Floyd.
They've lost about a third of their police departments you've had.
When Al Sharpton was there celebrating the one year anniversary
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of the George Floyd death at that time, you'd had
two girls, a nine year old and a six year
old in the last couple of days right before that,
having been shot in the head by these insane drive
by shootings, who died in a ten year old boy
who was shot in the head in his parents' car,
who is on life support for the brain dead for
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the rest of his life. Not a word from Al
Sharpton and Benjamin Crump. But Minneapolis has a vote coming
up on its progressive attempt to unwind the police department
and replace it with social workers. I don't think that
that initiative is going to pass. That will be a
good sign, but I frankly do not see enough pushback.
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The progressives are still pushing the phony narrative that we
are living under systemic races, which is not the case.
We are living under bad behavior that has consequences. We
don't have an incarceration problem in this country. We don't
have mass incarceration. We have a crime problem. We're talking
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to Heather McDonald. Heather, you had a stat that blew
my mind, and I want to ask you to share
it with our audience, because I think a lot of
people might not have heard it. We hear all the time,
Oh my god, the police, they're so racist. Like you said,
there's the narrative that is being shared that black people
are in danger of being murdered by police at a
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regular level, even though seventy five percent of people shot
by police are white, Asian or Hispanic, and even though
over fifty percent of all murders are committed by black
people in this country. And it's like, you can't say
that without people saying, oh my god, it's so racist
of you. How is it racist to share a fact?
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You shared a data point in one of your articles
that blew my mind. It was the chances of a
police officer being shot by a black person as opposed
to a black person being shot by a police officer.
I think, am I correct in that it's something like
twenty eight, which was more likely? In other words, who
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was under more danger? Yeah, exactly. Let's just look. Let's
let's start with the basic numbers. I would love for
your listeners to guess how many unarmed blacks have been
killed this year by the police. My guess is they
will say hundreds, if not thousands. The number is four
four unarmed blacks out of a population of forty seven million,
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and unarmed is defined very liberally. This is the Washington
Post count include people who are grabbing an officers gun
beating them with it. Now you compare that to the
number of police officers who have been fatally criminally assaulted
and killed this year, it's about fifty five. When you
compare the population ratios and calculate how many acts are
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likely to have killed those cops. Because blacks historically make
up about forty percent of all cop killers blackmails, even
though there's six percent of the population, a police officer
is three hundred and seventy five times as likely to
be killed by a black as an unarmed black male
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is to be killed by a police officer. So the
threat level is exactly the reverse of what we've been
led to expect. And yet police officers continue to go
into high crime neighborhoods trying to save lives, putting their
own lives at risk, and when they back out, the
result is last year, we've probably going to see about
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ten thousand blacks who were killed. That's more than all
white and Hispanics combined. That those are the bodies that
the mainstream media does not want to talk about, because
if you talk about black crime victims. You have to
talk about black criminals, and nobody wants to do that.
To McDonald, author of the War on Cops, Heather the
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defund the police narrative has certainly run into some political
problems now because cities like Austin, Texas, like Minneapolis, New
York that have either defunded or said they were in
the process of defunding police have had major increases in
homicides and shootings. I know you've been detailing and putting
out a lot of those stats. Is defund the police
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now politically toxic as a slogan? Or is this just
going to go through a cycle. I mean, I like
to remind everybody BLM in June of twenty twenty was
really BLM two point zero, and it started under the
Obama administration. It certainly did. We had the Ferguson effect
in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen after the Michael Brown shooting,
another two thousand Blacks killed over two years compared to
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twenty fourteen. Last year, we had another two thousand in
one year. I think it's becoming toxic. But you know
what I'm looking for, Buck and Clay is changed in
the Biden administration you know, I do not see any
backing of of Merritt Garland both pretending that that conservatives
are domestic terrorists. I don't see any backing off of
(10:08):
them saying we're going to put as many police departments
under enormously costly, enormously burtison enormously unnecessary, consent decrees. Biden
could do a heck of a lot if he said
I was wrong. I've seen now what happens when you
demonize the cops. Minneapolis again, ground zero of the anti
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police movement. Car stops dropped eighty five percent after the
race riots. Pedestrian stops dropped seventy five percent. Cops are
making a very valid, understandable calculation. There's a whole lot
of discretionary activity, like getting out of your car, initiating activity.
If you see somebody on a known drug corner at
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two am hitching up his waistband as if he has
a gun, you can or you cannot get out of
your car. You don't need to. There hasn't been a
nine one one call. Cops are saying, I'm driving on
buy I'm not going to stop that gang banger and
see if he's got a gun, because if the situation
escalates and it's caught on cell phone. I may be
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out of my job, I may be facing a criminal penalty.
Who knows if you can get due process of law
in this country, because juries know that if they don't
convict a police officer, America will burn to the ground.
That's what happened after Derek Chauvin trial. And so officers
are not doing discretion or activity and the result was
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again predictable. As you say, we saw this in twenty fifteen.
Twenty sixteen with deep policing, crime went up. Crime has
gone up twice as much now, and Biden has a
lot of explaining to do. Heather, I really appreciate your work.
How many people do you hear from that say I
want to share the data that you have written. I
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want to share all of the things that you are saying,
but I'm afraid that if I do, I'll get called racist. Huge.
It's a huge problem. It is so amazing. These are bodies.
The bodies do not lie. Homicide data is the gold
standard in criminology for every and we know blacks die
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of homicide in this country between the ages of ten
and forty three at thirteen times. The rate of whites.
That means they are killing each other at thirteen times
the rate of whites. Blacks commit eighty eight percent of
all interracial crime between blacks and whites. These are the data,
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but nobody dares talk about them because to talk about
the black victims means you're a racist. I just you know,
people like me that I've been writing about this, we
keep scratching our heads and saying but, but, but, but
black lives matter. Don't They know? They don't because America,
as I say, does not want to talk about the
cultural behavioral family breakdown in the inner city. You have
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elite institutions that would rather accuse themselves of phantom racism
because they are so terrified that the behavior and achievement
gaps are never going to close, that they're setting out
in advance the only allowable explanation for crime disparities, for
achievement disparities, which is white racism. That is an explanation
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that holds no water whatsoever in a country where now
every single mainstream institution is bending over backwards to hire
and promote as many minorities as possible. We were once
appallingly racist. We are not so today. Heather McDonald's, author
of The War on Cops and at the Manhattan Institute. Heather,
thank you so much, but thank you so much great pleasure.
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Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck. We were just talking
Clay and I with Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute,
(15:15):
who is fearless on the topic of defund the police
of black lives matter of crime in America. She really
knows her stuff. I mean, I've seen her go toe
to toe with people many times, had her on many times.
If you happen to miss that, please go listen to
it on the podcast. We put out each hour of
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(15:36):
every day, so you can pick the specific hours very easy.
The iHeart app a great place to listen or wherever
you get your podcasts. And we just thought Heather really
really brought it, and you know, we we do think
it's very possible that there might be a real political
price paid by the Democrats on two in two areas
well three. Actually there's so many. Yeah, I wasna I
(15:59):
kept trying to narrow down. I'm like, I was gonna
say crime, that's gonna say, well, actually the border, and
that's gonna say, well, actually the economy, and that is
say we'll actually, you know, foreign policy, COVID, you get one,
you get on the list. The actual question at this
point would be where would the Democrats if the election
were held in you know, the mid terms were held
in a few weeks, where would they not pay a
political price? And you know, I don't know. I think
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the only thing they have, bucket. This is what I
think is gonna end up happening the midterm is abortion.
I really think. I think they're gonna try to terrify
everybody in the suburbs as a war on women. Yeah,
get those suburban suburban women to be their only play
suburban singer women or something that the Democrats look to
give them advantage with all the time. But here's here's
DC police chief. We just want to get to this,
Rob CONTI blasting defund the police. I remember what defund
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looked like, right when we didn't have the twols that
we needed and we were the murder capital and our
police officers shot more people than anywhere else in the country,
right here in our nation's capital. We were poorly trained
as a department back then, So I don't know what
defund looks like. At that time, police officers were going
into their pocket to put breaks on cars and tires
on cars. So, you know, when people say the fund
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to me, you know, I look at it as you know,
we're taking money away from from the police department. And
while we may be trying to do other things, I
think we have to be able to this is this
country I believe has enough money that we can do
both things, and we can do both things well. We
can provide services that community members need to do, guttering,
community to invest in education, social work, all those things.
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But we also need to make sure that our police departments,
that our law enforcement agencies are properly funded to do
the job that communities expect them to do. Anyone who
knows about police work Clay says the same thing. It's
amazing that's considered to be anything other than conventional wisdom.
Defund the police buck is the stupidest idea to gain
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this fantastic Wednesday. Buck. One of the challenges surrounding these
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COVID vaccine mandates is, obviously most employees don't have the
ability to say no, because most of us out there
have to have a job, have to have an opportunity
in order to take care of our families in order
to pay our mortgages, and especially to pay our bills
with all of the inflation going on right now, and
(19:36):
so all of this trumpeting of oh, look, COVID vaccine
mandates work. Yes, if you threaten people with losing their jobs,
most people out there don't have the financial wherewithal or
the flexibility to be able to say I'm not going
to comply with your mandate. There's an interesting story going
(19:56):
on right now in the NBA with a player named
Kyrie Irving. Now we've talked before about how NBA players
have been very questioning in many ways of the efficacy
and necessity of COVID vaccines, but essentially because of city
mandates in New York City, in LA and in San Francisco.
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By and large, if you are an athlete in those
locations playing indoors and you are refusing to be vaccinated,
you are not able to do your job. So Kyrie
Irving right now, at least for the moment, is sticking
to his guns and refusing to be held be a
(20:40):
part of the COVID vaccine mandate, and he therefore is
not going to be able to play in your hometown
of New York City for the Brooklyn Nets. He's one
of the best players in the NBA, one of the
highest paid. What's interesting to me is not only Kyrie
Irving having the resources to fight against the COVID vaccine
man date, and also to put a different spin on
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who is refusing the COVID vaccine right We're not talking
about Southwest Airline pilots. We're not talking about Trump supporting
Red state voters. What's interesting here, Buck is not only
Kyrie Irving so far saying no to the COVID vaccine.
It's what this says about larger society's ability to understand
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and acquiesce to risk. And I want to see if
you buy into this analogy here in the nineteen nineties,
Magic Johnson tested positive for HIV. At that point in time,
HIV was a death sentence. The idea was if you
got it, you were going to die, and announced that
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he was no longer going to be able to play.
After getting treatment, the NBA permitted Magic Johnson to come
back and play. They changed protocols to say if you
had to cut, you had to come off the court.
There were players that were apprehensive and nervous about the
idea of obviously, with bodies being into each other, the
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idea of potentially blood transmission leading to an HIV infection.
But Magic Johnson was allowed to play. I want to
contrast that, and by the way, that's the right decision,
I think, based on the data and the science. But
the risk of an HIV infection occurring, however remote and
limited it might have been, during the course of competition,
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was at that point in time considered to be a
death sentence. In other words, unlike COVID, which spreads and
if you get it, you're sick. If you're a young,
healthy athlete, you might not even know you had it.
We haven't had any athletes who are in competition that
we know of at the professional level where COVID is
(22:52):
even spread from one team to another or one player
to another, even in something like football where you're tackling.
Certainly in basketball hasn't happened. And obviously Michael Jordan is
one of the most famous athletes of all time partly
because he played basketball with the flu. Refused to allow
the flu, at least according to historical record, to keep
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him from having an incredible game. Obviously, the flu is
very communicable during the course of a game as well.
That made him a legend. Do you find this interesting?
In the space of whatever it is twenty five years roughly, Buck,
we have gone from let's find a way to allow
Magic Johnson to play with HIV, which at that time
(23:39):
was effectively a death sentence, to now we can't even
allow Kyrie Irving in New York City or LA or
San Francisco to play if he's unvaccinated, even though Buck,
they can test him and confirm that he isn't COVID positive,
and that anybody out there who is nervous about this
could go get their own COVID vaccine and theoretically have
(24:02):
even more protection. What does that tell us about risk
analysis and risk factors. Do you find this as intriguing
as I do in a larger societal picture, Yes, because
the people who are pushing for the mandates won't really
say this out loud, but they need in their own
minds for the mandates to be universal and without exception, right,
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so they needed to apply to everybody. They need there
to be almost no opt outs or loopholes whatsoever, because
in their minds they're going to turn COVID. And this
is I think where the epidemiology, not that I'm a
doctor or playing on a radio, but this is where
the epidemiology becomes a problem for them. They think that
this is going to be like measles. They think that
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this is going to be like malaria, a disease that
we have effectively eradicated in the United States. They don't
seem to understand that this is going to be much
more like either the common cold or the flu in
terms of the various iterations of a strange way, the
mutations there. It will never be gone entirely the same
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way that as much as it would save a lot
of lives and billions of dollars of lost productivity and
working out is every year to get rid of the
common cold, to get rid of the flu. We don't
yet have the scientific basis to do that. We don't
yet have the knowledge to do that, and we are
seeing I think that people believe that this is going
to be because this is what they're saying also about
the vaccine men. It's oh, it's just like what about measles, mumps, rubella.
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Those are different diseases that have different levels of or
different speeds of mutation, and also are much more dangerous
to children if they get them. I mean that's so
they're comparing things that aren't really that much alike, and
they're negating things that actually do have a lot of similarities.
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With this and because of the one size fits all
policy is the only policy that will allow them to
feel safe and warm and nite when they go to sleep.
The Fauciites want this to be a everyone has to
bend the knee scenario. And with Kyrie Irving, I mean,
of course, what are we really even talking about here?
Right when you discuss the application of this policy. He
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might get COVID and therefore he might expose some of
his teammates. Well, he might get COVID and expose people
in any number of ways that aren't his teammates. Where
this is the world we live in, why not at
least make it a He's got to get tested regiment,
which the Biden administration and their OSHA rule says is
an opt out from vaccination for employers more than one
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hundred So why go to this extreme? The chance of
Kyrie Irving getting COVID and dying from it is effectively zero.
I mean it's almost here, It's statistically zero, and yet
they're going to force him to get this shot. You
sit here say, if they can do this to you
based on the risk parameters that we're dealing with, what
can the government not do to you in the name
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of health. This is what I think the conversation people
need to start to have, need to start to think about.
And I think what has to happen is people with
the resources can fight this. I think what Kyrie Irving,
whether you agree or disagree with him on a variety
of different subjects, he has the financial resources to be
able to survive and take care of his family without
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making the money right now. And so there are a
lot of people out there with the same financial resources.
These are the people that need to be fighting the
battle because it's unfortunate. But there's a lot of people
out there who are facing COVID vaccine mandates. We know
because we've taken their calls buck who, Hey, if they
don't get the shot, then they aren't able to pay
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their mortgage, they aren't able to take care and go
get food for their family. And so as a result,
a lot of people have to comply, even though they
fundamentally reject the very precept of requiring mandating these vaccines.
So it also changes the storyline of who exactly is
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fighting this battle. And I think it's an incredibly powerful
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We are rolling through the second hour of the program.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Encourage you
to go download the podcast Buck even if you usually don't,
because I gotta tell you, we have a lot of
good guests on here. But Heather McDonald just laying out
the facts behind why defund the police is one of
the dumbest political decisions of all time. If you're just
(30:04):
joining us right now and you didn't hear that discussion
at the top of the second hour, that's the kind
of information we want to give you and allow you
to be able to share with your friends and family
out there when they're making arguments and they're completely illogical
about police being dangerous. She was just phenomenal. Yeah, she
really was very strong, guests, I would be interested to
(30:25):
see an analysis of because remember, defund the police really
got going. It was under the Trump administration. Of course,
it was a Democrat movement, and the Democrats managed to
we could talk about all the ways and all the things,
but they managed to at least push Joe Biden into
the Oval office. Despite the fact that cities were burning,
and as Heather described it, there were race riots going
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on the summer of twenty twenty. David in Kentucky has
some thoughts on Heather McDonald. Want to get him on, David, welcome, Hey,
good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you all. We're good, Thank you, good,
excellent show man. I've been in law enforcement several years. Um,
never seen it this bad, never thought it would even
begin to get this bad. Heather is spot on. I
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know a lot of times we just looked blind eye
to what's going on. They don't want proactive policing here.
They don't want proacting policing in a lot of states anymore. Um.
You know, I jump out on the gays standing on
the corner. I'm chastised because I'm doing my job. You know,
it doesn't have anything to do with its African American,
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Baxican white, doesn't doesn't doesn't matter if he has suspicious
activity going on. We just turned blind eye to it, man,
until we get to call most of us. Yeah, David,
you know they're actually not even allowed to respond. Thank
you for calling in as a law enforcement officer. They're
not even allowed Clay to respond now, and I say
allowed it's official policy in Austin, Texas, in an otherwise
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great state. As we know, Austin is uh the the
little piece of blue in the midst of all that red,
although obviously Dallas and Houston are also majority Democrat cities,
but Austin police are not. They defunded it over a
one hundred billion dollars and they don't respond to property crimes.
They'll say, sorry, we'll send somebody over there in a
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day or two, you know, unless there's an actual felony
in progress or there's a violent crime that's being reported.
Cops in Austin are told, sorry, you'll get to it
when you're Rather, people who call the cops are told,
we'll get to it when we get to it. Tyler
in Sacramento, California got some thoughts on the shipping situation.
What's up, Tyler, Good morning, guys, calling you from Sacramento,
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Russia's old stopping grounds from KFPK. Indeed appreciate that I
actually has some thought about this container crisis right now,
and I am of the opinion that it's completely manufactured.
I work in the American maritime industry and there seems
to be a huge layer of focus in the drive
by media right now. But oh the backup in Long Beach,
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at backup and Long Beach back up in Long Beach?
Have people forgotten that the entire like there's like another
ten container terminals all along the West Coast, I mean
even very close along with Beach in San Diego and
PORTLANDIMI in Oakland, in Portland and Tacoma that could all
handle this traffic. But why are we all back? Why
is everybody's focused on just the backups in Long Beaches.
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It's completely manufactured. There's no reason on the planet that
these ships could not go up to say Oakland. While
I was waiting for this call, I looked up how
many ships are in port of San Francisco right now,
and the twenty four spots to have for an ship's anchorage,
only eleven are taken right now. And there's only seven
container ships in San Francisco, three of which are American
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flat container ships right now in San Francisco Bay compared
to what the two three does. Is one of the
big Sorry to cut you off, and I'm far from
a logistics expert, but isn't one of the big problems
with all of the supply chain right now? That there
aren't enough workers to be able to distribute and unload
the product, and also that due to inflationary pressures, the
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cost of shipping have increased to such a substantial degree
that many companies are not able to effectively and efficiently
transport their product without having to massively increase the overall cost.
I appreciate your call, but the data seems to reflect
and again just looking at the data, that we are
going to see shortages, and I would tend to believe
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that much of this is now related to COVID disruptions.
And my wife keeps hammering me on this buck, so
I'm gonna try to say it, Well, these are choices
we made about COVID. COVID didn't cause this, right, And
I think that's an important distinction, COVID response, not the
virus path. Yes, And so much of the discussion occurs
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as if COVID has caused this to happen. No, no, no, no,
it's our response to COVID that has caused many of
the societal disruptions that still are plaguing our country. Right,
you have to remember some of the dynamics everyone that
we're ascended to the Democrat Party in the last election,
especially during the Democrat primary, that COVID essentially provided an
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opportunity for the implementation of those things. Client I talk
about modern monetary theory in a regular basis. Bernie Sanders,
the Sandernistas, these are people who generally believe in MMT
and oh my gosh, the COVID emergency. We have to
spend trillions and trillions of dollars pay people to stay home.
Remember the rise of universal basic income, another very popular
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idea in some quarters of the left. Well, we started
sending people checks to stay home and not go to work.
They've had not even really a dry run. They've had
a taste of some of these things that they hadn't
been able to get and have wanted on the left
for a long time. This all goes into what we're
seeing now with the massive social engineering that they're hoping
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to get through with the multi trillion dollar stimulus slash,
rescue splash, whatever they're calling it built. I don't think
there's any doubt we come back more of this chaos
that's going on in the country. We haven't talked about
it a lot buck but things have gotten so bad
in California that businesses are just saying we're gonna shut
down because we can't make money because people are stealing
from us too much. Plus, we've got leaked border patrol
(36:20):
documents showing the mass release of illegal immigrants into the
US by the Biden administration. That story just breaking on
Foxnews dot Com in the last couple of hours. We
will bring that to you the border. Friends, the Biden
administration does not want you to hear what Clay and
I are going to be telling you about the border,
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the truth about it in just a few minutes. So
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