November 22, 2021 • 37 mins
Joining C&B in the second hour, Dr. Scott Atlas, Senior Fellow in Health Policy at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, former advisor on the pandemic to the president. Dr. Atlas discusses Fauci and the dangers of unelected bureaucrats, booster efficacy and the question of when covid will end. "Rapper" Darrell Brooks was out on bail for running over his ex before he plowed through Waukesha Christmas parade killing five and injuring 40. Tucker Carlson interviews Kyle Rittenhouse. Shoplifting gangs target uber wealthy Union Square in San Francisco. Liberal prosecutors are responsible for the rise in crime in blue cities.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome on out number two Clay Travis
buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with
us as we roll through a holiday week edition Monday Show.
We are joined now by doctor Scott Atlas. He is
a Senior Fellow in health policy at Stanford University's Hoover Institution,
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former advisor on COVID to the President, and author of
the new book A Plague upon Our House, My Fight
to stop COVID from destroying America. Doctor Alice, appreciate the
time that you are spending with us. Let's dive right
into it. How much of a disaster has doctor Fauci
been for America in terms of the advice that he
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has given over the last eighteen months based on your experience, Wow,
thanks for having me. You know, I think this is
something people have to understand that they have to be
critical thinkers about what is said because the advice from
the doctor there's on the task force to six months
before I got there, the three and a half months
I was there and following that has been inconsistent, erratic,
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anti science, contrary to the science and they simply lack
critical thinking. Now, the head of the task force actually
with doctor Burkes, who was the Medical task Force Coordinator,
who wrote all the policy advice to the states. She
visited dozens of states, She spoke to all the local
health officials. Doctor Fauci was not in charge, but he
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was the most influential figure on the media to the
American public. And what I saw in the task Force
was shocking, And that's one of the reasons I wrote
the book, because we have to be aware that we
can never let these kinds of people be in charge again.
There were not critical thinkers. They both been in government
bureaucrat positions for forty years. I came in as a
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health policy scholar fifteen years of health policy work and
twenty five years of medical science research, clinical work in
some of the best medical centers. And so what I
would do to the meetings, I would bring in a
dozen twenty different scientific publications, data from all over the world,
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and I would go through the data. When I was
asked my opinion, their approach was something very different. Their
approach was simply saying I'm an outlier, or saying that,
you know, most people agree that we should be doing lockdowns.
So of course their position. Their policy was lockdowns, restrictions,
closed schools, close businesses, curfews, quarantines, and this was the
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policy during the entire year that was implemented by almost
every governor. I visited only one state during my three
and a half times, and that was Florida, who did
something very differently. And so, you know, we have a
problem here because we have bureaucrats who were not critical thinkers.
They never cited the data, they never refuted anything I
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said with the data. And what's more, they never disagreed
with each other. They had a pact that Burkes revealed later,
which was if one of them was fired, they would
all just quit, which is not exactly the attitude of
people trying to help the country in my opinion. And secondly,
I'll give you another anecdote here. You know I arranged
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I wanted to make sure that the president had the
most information possible from the experts of the world of
the country. So I arranged a meeting. I brought in
people from Harvard, Stanford, Tufts University UCLA. These were the
medical scientists who were doing the research on the pandemic,
and they were there to answer the President's questions. Doctor
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Burkes was asked to come to the meeting. She refused,
and in fact that almost scuttled the entire meeting. And
then she complained to the media that there were quote
parallel streams of data being given to the President that
she didn't know about, as if she's supposed to be
the funnel. So this is the attitude of a bureaucrat,
in my opinion, and my role had nothing to do
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with politics or anything else. I was there for one reason,
because the country is off the rails. People were dying.
The lockdowns were implemented, they failed to stop the spread
of the infection. They failed to stop the dying, and
they destroyed and then pluted a tremendous amount of harm
and on families and children, particularly at the lower income.
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The lockdowns were a luxury of the rich, and they
were being instilled and implemented without knowing the data and
without thinking through what was important. Doctor Atlas, it's buck.
You know, we just got more information last few days,
I should say, more pronouncements in from Fauci and the
rest about boosters. We now are being told boosters are
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open to all adults. They're going to want to get boosters.
I'm sure soon for kids approved, and it seems like
only a matter of time before they try to make
the boosters mandatory. Fauci said, we're hoping that this booster
will last longer than the vaccine and better protection. Do
they have any actual data or or proof that that
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is something that is likely to happen, because it seems
to some of us like they just don't want to
tell us yet. You're going to have to get the
shot every six months, every whatever it is they come
up with on the schedule. Yeah, I mean, here's the
problem is that their actions and their lack of transparency frankly,
have been harmful to the acceptance of the vaccine by
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people who actually would benefit from the vaccine. I mean, here,
the data is the vaccines are protective against death, and
that that protection seems to last at least so far,
except there is some data from Sweden. It says it
lanes the protection against death lanes for people who are
over eighty. Okay, so if your high risk, you know,
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it makes sense you should be taking the vaccine high
risk from COVID if that means elderly with multiple comor
abilities or young people who have these same commor abilities.
That makes end. But to say that you know you
need a booster, well, I mean there are people who
should think about getting the boost or the high risk people,
because the protection against infection after vaccinated sort of goes
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down tremendously really after three to six months. So if
your high risk, you know, you really should think about
getting the booster. But to say that children who have
a very healthy children have an extremely low risk from
this disease, I mean this has proven. This was only
a year and a half ago when I said it.
It's been proven, it's consistent. And so to say that
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a child must get a vaccine for disease, they have
extremely low risk for healthy children. And then in the
vaccine where the technology is new, okay, this technology has
never been used before an mRNA vaccine, We've only had
it for not even a year. Most vaccines take five
to ten years to make sure we have safety and
efficacy data. Okay. So to say, oh, we should start
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getting boosters, okay, I mean it's fine that they're available,
but you have to realize everyone should realize that the
vaccine a booster data the safety has only been valued
for like thirty day periods in Israel, thirty days is
not a safety evaluation. And to say you need a
booster if you're protected against dying, that's what's important here
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now high risk people. Okay, but you know, people have
to start thinking. Here's what's happened. If I may, the
trust and experts has gone. Okay, it's diminished, and that's
appropriate that it's gone because they've destroyed it. They've issued
they've not looked at the data. These so called experts.
They've issued edicts and mandates and things that were anti science.
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They've denied the impact of natural immunity after recovery. We're
the only country in the world that does not allow
for that. We make believe somehow the experts here that
protection does not come after being infective. That's just that's
just anti that's denying basic immunology and the data on
this virus. And so when they start doing these sorts
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of things, people have to realize, Okay, we need to
be critical thinkers ourselves, for ourselves and our families. We
need to find a doctor who's rational, and if we
don't have a doctor who's a critical thinker, we need
a new doctor and we need to start analyzing and
trusting people who are being consistent, who speak from the data,
and who do not have an ulterior motive. When you
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look at people, and I'm gonna put it this way,
who have been in government bureaucrat jobs for forty years,
that's not because they're politically neutral. It's because they are
political themselves. It's because they know how to navigate the system,
to make friends in the media, to make friends in
the agencies. When somebody like me came in, I had
no interest. Frankly, I wasn't there to make friends. I
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had no secondary gain. I wasn't getting a second position
later on. I would there to stop people from dying
and to add critical thinking. So I think at this
point we American people have to have the sense to
look through the stuff ourselves to find people who we trust,
because we cannot just assume that the people in the
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CDC or in leadership positions in our country are really
going by the data. I mean, we know this not
just in the vaccines. We look at the masks, we
look at the studies that they ignore, and just you know,
I mean, the whole thing is still off the rails. Unfortunately,
talking to doctor Scott Atlas. He's the Senior Fellow and
Health Policy at Stanford's Hoover Institution. Also has a new
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book out, encouraging to check it out. A Plague upon
Our House, My Fight to stop COVID from destroying America,
Doctor Atlas. Much of the Red States, it appears, have
basically gotten back to normalcy. I live in Tennessee. I'm
down in Florida right now. I've been all over the
South during football season. People are basically back to normal.
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You wouldn't really know that COVID existed. But for airplane travel.
When are the rest of the states in this country.
You're out in California, it's madness still there. Buck is
in New York. How do we land the proverbial plane
and get back to normalcy in your mind? What's that
time for you? Yeah, I mean that's a that's a
good question. Because what I say when I'm asked, when
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will the CDC say this? When will doctor Fauci say this?
The answers never. You must assume it's never. There is
no indication that the people in power in these states
or at the national level are going to start stud
suddenly obeying the data or and looking at the data,
So this is an individual thing. In my view. I've
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been shocked by two things. The number one shock. The
first shock was how the power of the government could
be imposed upon Americans to restrict business, to restrict personal movement,
to do all these things, to require all of these things.
But the boat bigger surprise was the acquiescence of the
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American people. Okay, we I think all of us are stunned.
Where are the independent thinkers in the country, the independent
New Yorkers? Okay, where are the Western people who are
just always been valuing independent thought. We see protests going
on in Europe by the thousands about these mandates, about
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these requirements, about these lockdowns. That's not been a feature
in the United States. Is this is surprising to me? Now,
you're right, the states in Florida, I mean again, like
I was advisor, one of the advisors to Governor Desantha
since last spring. You know, he looked at the data
and people moved to Florida. The response was overwhelmingly positive
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because people want to live normal lives. So over one
hundred percent, one hundred percent of people over sixty five
are vaccinated in Florida, as they are in twenty states
now at this point they've had at least one dose,
which means they'll get the second dose that's in twenty states.
Once you've protected the high risk people from dying, you know,
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people should start thinking, Okay, the point is to live
your life. The point is not to be in fear
of a single virus and shutdown society on the basis
of that bizarre of focus. The public health leadership in
this country has been immoral and they've abandoned what their
basic responsibility was, which was to consider all health. They've
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never talked about the damage from the lockdowns, and those
damages were tremendous, particularly in our children. But they answer
to the question is the end is when people decide
that fan that's the only way this will end. In
my opinion, Doctor Atlas, fantastic. We appreciate you, encourage you
to check out the book, and we look forward to
talking to you again down the lineswere in the future.
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Wauka Shaw. It was a mass murder by vehicle incident.
Five dead, dozens grievously wounded. And unless something, you know,
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unless something crazy happens. They've got the guy in custody
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motivation quite yet. But here's an interesting bit of news
that just broke in the last thirty minutes or so
and is now getting much more attention. Daryl Brooks thirty nine.
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He's the driver of that Redford SUV that was plowing
through and murdering people on Sunday in Waukeshaw, Wisconsin at
the Christmas at the Christmas parade. He was out on bail,
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but the news update he only had to post a
thousand dollars cash bond. The news update is that the
charges that put him in that position. Why was he
out on bail? What was the crime? He was accused
of running over the mother of one of his children.
According to Daily Mail. Here he is said to have
hunted her down in a hotel, followed her in the
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street in his car, demand did that she get in,
punched her with a closed fist, and then ran her
over with his vehicle. Now, Clay, they want us to
believe that this individual, mister Daryl Brooks, who was a violent,
longstanding criminal, was just trying to escape something and so
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ran through all these people. And the very crime that
he was out on bail for forty eight hours from
involved the usage of his car as a weapon against
a defenseless person. That's where we are right now, well,
and the question that is going to become more and
more paramount if you look at so many of these
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crimes that are being committed right now in the United States,
as we are having an unbelievable, massive, without precedent increase,
for instance, in murders all over this country. Why in
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a car, can you post a thousand dollars bail and
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you're getting arrested because you have a broken tail light
and you haven't paid your traffic fines. Nonviolent offenses, I
can understand the idea of having low rates of bail
and allowing people back out into the streets, but this
is an incredible failure buy our justice system that we
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right back out onto the street with almost no dollars required.
Buckets happened all over the country. It's not an accident, right.
This has been an active decision made by the Democrat
Party with its criminal justice reform mantra and George Soros
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We've got more on that here, come up in a
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on Tucker Carlson, we will hear from Kyle Rittenhouse a
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full sit down interview explaining much of his thoughts that
you haven't already heard from his testimony during the trial.
And here is a cut that they have released from
that interview with Tucker Carlson. Let's play cut two. Of course,
Kyle Rittenhouse immediately argued by massive amounts of the media, Oh,
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this is a white supremacist, this is a racist act.
Tucker asked him directly about his affiliation with the idea
of white supremacy. Here was Kyle Rittenhouse's answer. I tell
everybody there what happened. I said I had to do it.
I was just attacked. I was dizzy, I was vomiting.
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I couldn't breathe. This case has nothing to do with race.
It never had anything to do with race. It had
to do with the right to self defense. I'm not
a racist person. I support the BLM movement, I support
peacefully demonstrating, and I believe there needs to be change.
I believe there's a lot of prosecutorial misconduct, not just
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in my case, but in other cases. And it's just
amazing to see how much a prosecutor can take advantage
of somebody. They were trying to feed Kyle to the
mob play. That's what this was really all about from
the beginning. You even had remember I said almost a
month ago now on this show, they never should have
even brought charges. You agreed, they never should have even
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brought charges against Kyle Rittenhouse. Chris Christie, for whatever that's worth,
he was a federal prosecutor. I don't know. People have
very intense views on Chris Christie one or the other.
He said over the weekend, they never should have even
charged this individual based on the facts, based on that
they had video, which I also believe very strongly. If
there was no video, he may very well have been
found guilty, not because he did anything wrong, but because
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the narrative was so powerful and people were so set
in believing certain things that absent video, it might have
been hard to convince that jury otherwise. But I mean,
let's just let's let's look at this little bit, because
they're still saying he's racist, in a white supremacist. You
even played a clip in the first down. They're still
they're still claiming this about him. Would Kyle Rittenhouse have
gone to Kenosha if it had been entirely an ANTIFA,
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you know, radical anarchist burning down of Kenosha that was
going on that had nothing to do with BLM. I
believe the answer is very clearly, Yes, he wanted to
stop a community from being destroyed. That was his rationale
for it. Because the only place where they claim now
obviously shooting three white guys. It's hard to make a
white guy shooting three white guys. It's hard to make
the claim that's racist. They do it, but no intelligent
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person believes this, So then it's the motivation for being right.
It went from the he crossed state lines. A lot
of people freaked out about that. I mean, I crossed
state lines into Connecticut and New Jersey on a regular basis,
not a big deal. Now, the whole thing as well,
his motivation for being in Kenosha was somehow racist because
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of the connection to the Blake incident and Jacob Blake
and BLM more broadly in the background of all this,
and I just think that also has that's not if
you listen to Rittenhouse, he says he's supportive of BLM, yes,
as a movement, and even beyond that, this is a
kid who wanted to stop a neighborhood from being destroyed,
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or stop a city from being destroyed. And I think
from what we've seen of him, there's every reason to
believe he would have wanted you that, regardless of what
the background left wing or any wing political narrative was.
He just didn't want to see a town burn. Fuck
the story here, we hit on this early. The people
who are angry at kyle Rittenhouse are angry because he
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was there in the first place. That's their story because
they keep saying inaccurately he crossed state lines with a gun.
He didn't do that. The gun was in Wisconsin. And
if you look the amount of Blue Checkmark Brigade members
out there that can't even bother to get basic facts
correct in their takes is evidence of how little they
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pay attention to the real facts and how much they
embrace the narrative version of the facts. Because look, I've
said before you said this, I wouldn't want my seventeen
year old son to have been there, period. I wouldn't
have wanted protesting for BLM. I wouldn't have wanted him
trying to protect small businesses because it was a chaotic, messy,
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ugly situation. But that's not the case. The case is
did Kyle rittenhouse on that night, fear for his safety,
potentially his life, and exercise self defense as a result.
The answer is yes. The case is not about why
he was there. The case is about once he was there,
did he have a self defense? And he did? And
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why are all these rioters there? I mean, built into
all of this is an expectation on the left that
there was something righteous behind the destruction of Kenosha on
behalf of BLM, like they're somehow okay, they're allowed to
burn things down and terrorize people and break a senior
citizen's jaw because he didn't want his store to get
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burned to the ground. They did that, right, didn't hear
a lot of reporting about it. But those are the
kind of things that are going on. But people were
angry in the left, as we know, in June of
twenty twenty, was having a giant temper tantrum in the
middle of a pandemic, mind you, because of Trump, because
of BLM. They were just having this spasm of rage
unleashed onto American cities across the country, and they ultimately
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believe that there's something righteous in that. Of course, you,
and I reject that, this audience rejects that it's insane.
But as to the point about Rittenhouse and whether he
would him being there as a question of it's not
a question of honors, a question of the wisdom and
safety of being there. In my opinion, meaning this is
parent perspective, I write, I respect why Kyle Rittenhouse wanted
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to be there and what he was doing, and I
think it was brave to be there and do what
he did. I though, would be very cautious in counseling
somebody who was thinking about doing that, because let's just remember,
Kyle does what he did. There's no video there just
happened to be no video that was clear of the incident.
That young man probably goes to prison for the rest
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of his life or at least for a few decades,
which is pretty close to the same thing. So that's
what I mean. You cannot trust the system. You can't
trust the district attorney, this guy Chisholm at a Milwaukee.
You can't trust these people in the state. I'm not
even talking about the rioters. You can't trust the state
to do the right thing. They essentially abandoned Kenosha to
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this It was like a sacrifice to the rage of
the left. They should have had National Guard out there
tear gassing and resting and taking care of business. Oh no,
not in Kenosha. They did it all over the country.
They abandoned any sort of law and order. And that's
why my point is, regardless of what your political leanings
were as a parent, I don't want my kids out protesting.
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I don't want my kids out responding to the protesters.
I don't think it's safe period, because the state abrogated
its responsibility to protect business, to protect citizens, and to
protect the city. And that is the fundamental failure. That
void of leadership is what we had injured. And I
just want to mention this tubuck. There's still, to my knowledge,
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has been no suggestion that the Blake story had anything
to do with race. There's nothing to suggest that Rittenhouse
had anything to do with race. There's nothing to suggest
that George Floyd and Chauvin had anything to do with
race other than the fact that their identities are their races.
There hasn't been any suggestion that all of these stories
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that divided and destroyed us in the summer of twenty
twenty were directly related to race. To my knowledge, there's
zero tangible evidence of that. That is narrative one more
time over fact, there also seems to be a left
wing movement away from law and order that we've all
been suffering through, and you see some of the results
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of it with these with these essentially theft riots or
whatever you know that they're they're really essentially a theft
mob that gathers together. And there's more of this that
happened over the weekend. We'll tell you some of the
details we come back because it's so brazen. It is
true lawlessness, and it undermines our sense of living in
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happens when the people that are supposed to enforce the
law decide that the law is problematic for them, that
social justice is more important than actual justice, and that
criminal should get away with things. Welcome back to the
Clay and buck Show. We've seen for a long time
now the rise in violent crime across the country. We've
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seen that murders, shootings have skyrocketed. I mean, one of
the ones that is the most mind blowing to me,
and it's they're way up at Houston, They're way up
in New York, They're way up in every major an
all Democrat controlled major city by population really in the country.
Portland had a thousand shootings over last year, a thousand
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in a city that's not that big by population, by far,
the most it's ever had. One thing that we're seeing
is that when you undermine cops and when you put
prosecutors in place who are supposed to be deterring crime
and they decide that well, that doesn't seem like a
social justice mission that they really want to take on,
bad things happen. Case in point, and this is also
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at a moment where we're looking at the at the
incident involving Darryl Brooks here and we're looking at this
individual and we're understanding that he was let out just
two days after being arrested for a crime of trying
to run over with his car the mother of his children. Meanwhile,
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you have people. You've got, you know, grannies who are
waving a flag inside the Capitol in solitary confinement for
you know, eight months on end, because there's such a
danger to the public and in the in the the
EC holding cells endlessly and clay over the weekend alone,
just the last few days, you have what I think
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you have to call now theft mobs, because this is
not one or two people. This is ten, fifteen, twenty,
perhaps thirty or more people at a time, pulling up
in cars, running into a high end retail establishment, grabbing
everything in sight, and running out with it. They did
this in San Francisco over the weekend at Union Square,
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very famous, well known place, the Louis Vaton store there.
They did this in Chicago at a Louis Vaton store,
over one hundred thousand dollars of merchandise stolen. Do you
think any of the people caught Claire are going to
serve really severe sentences? Doubtful not Buck. And actually one
of our listeners sent me a video he was staying
in Union Square. For people who don't know San Francisco
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well historically, Buck, Union Square is like, I mean, there's
a Louis Vatan there for God's sake. I mean, this
is a super high end area. Because we've been talking
in San Francisco about I believe it was Walgreens that
has effectively said, hey, we've got so much thievery that
is going on that they're shutting down five Walgreens. And
the impact here is substantial because those are jobs in
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lower income areas that are important to so many people
in those communities, and they're basically saying, hey, we can't
run these stores anymore. But Union Square is the heart
of San Francisco, a high end shopping district, and they're
just showing up and running roughshod through a Louis Vatan
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with no expectation that there's going to be any law
enforcement at all. And there are people This is gonna
be fascinating to watch because they're trying to recall Chesa
Boudin right now in San Francisco, who has made all
of this possible by effectively saying, hey, we're not going
to do any sort of criminal enforcement anymore. The rule
is if you steal less than nine hundred and fifty dollars,
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the police won't can arrest. That's the rule. Clay By
Chester Boudin. It is madness, Buck, and even in San Francisco.
And this is why I know that things are changing substantially.
I've got a lot of friends who live out in
San Francisco. We don't agree on a lot of political
related issues. They've started listening to the show. Buck, you
were talking about one of your buddies in New York
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who's not necessarily like a conservative radio listener. But they're
getting so fed up with quality of life related issues
and with this sort of crazy propaganda media world that
we live in, where they start to get told things
that they see what their own eyes are not true.
There's a demand for honesty. I gotta tell you another group,
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just the same way that I have a friend who's
a corporate lawyer in lifelong Democrat who says he loves
us for holding Fauci accountable, a guy I've known a
very long time in my life and a huge fan
of the show. I have prosecutors and I get. I mean,
I'm the one who's pointing out, for example, that Chisholm,
the district attorney in Milwaukee who let out Brooks, the
guy that just and down murder all these people with
his car that's the same district attorney everybody who ran
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the John Doe case against Scott Walker years ago. He
abused this secret investigative tactic to try to go after
the Walker campaign. I interviewed somebody that they were trying
to throw in prison for seven years for crimes like
using her cell phone inside instead of outside a building
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for campaign business. Chisholm is an absolute political hatchetman, a
Democrat left winger, of course, and he's the guy in
Milwaukee Jessi budin these other guys. I'm just pointing out
to Larry Krasner in Philadelphia. People that I know who
are prosecutors reach out. They're like, thank you for trashing
these awful prosecutors who undermine what it is we're trying
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to do, which is enforced the law and make everybody safer.
No one is safer because prosecutors feel sanctimonious and self
righteous for letting criminals go. And that's what major cities,
including New York, including San Francisco. I'm sure it's happening
in Houston too. That's what's going on. There's no doubt
and buck what this all represents is being concerned with
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overpunishing criminals is a luxury of low crime. Right Cyclically,
when people start to say, hey, maybe we're putting people
in jail for too long, it's because the crime rate
has gotten so low that it is a luxury to
be concerned that you are overpunishing criminals back in the nineties,
and I think that's where we're headed all over again.
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Three strikes in, you're out. Remember Joe Biden helped to
pass that. The reality is putting hardened criminals behind bars
for a long time does work, and it drives down,
particularly in violent crime incidents, drives down the overall rate
of crime in this country. Look, everybody in Milwaukee who
is looking at what just happened in Waukeshaw is saying,
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how in the world did this violent criminal have the
ability to be on the streets and murder in old
blood at least five people wound, forty people driving through
a Christmas parade. We are failing at protecting our communities
when that guy was allowed back on the streets for
a small amount of bail. Total failure of the criminal justices.
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We should have major updates for you momentarily based on
police doing a press conference on what happened in Wauka Shaw.
The police update is expected momentarily, so we'll know a
whole lot more about what is clearly a mass murder,
mass casualty incident in Wisconsin. We'll bring you more on that,
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plus the fight against COVID. That's all coming up. Stay
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome on out number two Clay Travis
buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with
us as we roll through a holiday week edition Monday Show.
We are joined now by doctor Scott Atlas. He is
a Senior Fellow in health policy at Stanford University's Hoover Institution,
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former advisor on COVID to the President, and author of
the new book A Plague upon Our House, My Fight
to stop COVID from destroying America. Doctor Alice, appreciate the
time that you are spending with us. Let's dive right
into it. How much of a disaster has doctor Fauci
been for America in terms of the advice that he
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has given over the last eighteen months based on your experience, Wow,
thanks for having me. You know, I think this is
something people have to understand that they have to be
critical thinkers about what is said because the advice from
the doctor there's on the task force to six months
before I got there, the three and a half months
I was there and following that has been inconsistent, erratic,
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anti science, contrary to the science and they simply lack
critical thinking. Now, the head of the task force actually
with doctor Burkes, who was the Medical task Force Coordinator,
who wrote all the policy advice to the states. She
visited dozens of states, She spoke to all the local
health officials. Doctor Fauci was not in charge, but he
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was the most influential figure on the media to the
American public. And what I saw in the task Force
was shocking, And that's one of the reasons I wrote
the book, because we have to be aware that we
can never let these kinds of people be in charge again.
There were not critical thinkers. They both been in government
bureaucrat positions for forty years. I came in as a
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health policy scholar fifteen years of health policy work and
twenty five years of medical science research, clinical work in
some of the best medical centers. And so what I
would do to the meetings, I would bring in a
dozen twenty different scientific publications, data from all over the world,
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and I would go through the data. When I was
asked my opinion, their approach was something very different. Their
approach was simply saying I'm an outlier, or saying that,
you know, most people agree that we should be doing lockdowns.
So of course their position. Their policy was lockdowns, restrictions,
closed schools, close businesses, curfews, quarantines, and this was the
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policy during the entire year that was implemented by almost
every governor. I visited only one state during my three
and a half times, and that was Florida, who did
something very differently. And so, you know, we have a
problem here because we have bureaucrats who were not critical thinkers.
They never cited the data, they never refuted anything I
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said with the data. And what's more, they never disagreed
with each other. They had a pact that Burkes revealed later,
which was if one of them was fired, they would
all just quit, which is not exactly the attitude of
people trying to help the country in my opinion. And secondly,
I'll give you another anecdote here. You know I arranged
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I wanted to make sure that the president had the
most information possible from the experts of the world of
the country. So I arranged a meeting. I brought in
people from Harvard, Stanford, Tufts University UCLA. These were the
medical scientists who were doing the research on the pandemic,
and they were there to answer the President's questions. Doctor
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Burkes was asked to come to the meeting. She refused,
and in fact that almost scuttled the entire meeting. And
then she complained to the media that there were quote
parallel streams of data being given to the President that
she didn't know about, as if she's supposed to be
the funnel. So this is the attitude of a bureaucrat,
in my opinion, and my role had nothing to do
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with politics or anything else. I was there for one reason,
because the country is off the rails. People were dying.
The lockdowns were implemented, they failed to stop the spread
of the infection. They failed to stop the dying, and
they destroyed and then pluted a tremendous amount of harm
and on families and children, particularly at the lower income.
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The lockdowns were a luxury of the rich, and they
were being instilled and implemented without knowing the data and
without thinking through what was important. Doctor Atlas, it's buck.
You know, we just got more information last few days,
I should say, more pronouncements in from Fauci and the
rest about boosters. We now are being told boosters are
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open to all adults. They're going to want to get boosters.
I'm sure soon for kids approved, and it seems like
only a matter of time before they try to make
the boosters mandatory. Fauci said, we're hoping that this booster
will last longer than the vaccine and better protection. Do
they have any actual data or or proof that that
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is something that is likely to happen, because it seems
to some of us like they just don't want to
tell us yet. You're going to have to get the
shot every six months, every whatever it is they come
up with on the schedule. Yeah, I mean, here's the
problem is that their actions and their lack of transparency frankly,
have been harmful to the acceptance of the vaccine by
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people who actually would benefit from the vaccine. I mean, here,
the data is the vaccines are protective against death, and
that that protection seems to last at least so far,
except there is some data from Sweden. It says it
lanes the protection against death lanes for people who are
over eighty. Okay, so if your high risk, you know,
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it makes sense you should be taking the vaccine high
risk from COVID if that means elderly with multiple comor
abilities or young people who have these same commor abilities.
That makes end. But to say that you know you
need a booster, well, I mean there are people who
should think about getting the boost or the high risk people,
because the protection against infection after vaccinated sort of goes
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down tremendously really after three to six months. So if
your high risk, you know, you really should think about
getting the booster. But to say that children who have
a very healthy children have an extremely low risk from
this disease, I mean this has proven. This was only
a year and a half ago when I said it.
It's been proven, it's consistent. And so to say that
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a child must get a vaccine for disease, they have
extremely low risk for healthy children. And then in the
vaccine where the technology is new, okay, this technology has
never been used before an mRNA vaccine, We've only had
it for not even a year. Most vaccines take five
to ten years to make sure we have safety and
efficacy data. Okay. So to say, oh, we should start
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getting boosters, okay, I mean it's fine that they're available,
but you have to realize everyone should realize that the
vaccine a booster data the safety has only been valued
for like thirty day periods in Israel, thirty days is
not a safety evaluation. And to say you need a
booster if you're protected against dying, that's what's important here
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now high risk people. Okay, but you know, people have
to start thinking. Here's what's happened. If I may, the
trust and experts has gone. Okay, it's diminished, and that's
appropriate that it's gone because they've destroyed it. They've issued
they've not looked at the data. These so called experts.
They've issued edicts and mandates and things that were anti science.
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They've denied the impact of natural immunity after recovery. We're
the only country in the world that does not allow
for that. We make believe somehow the experts here that
protection does not come after being infective. That's just that's
just anti that's denying basic immunology and the data on
this virus. And so when they start doing these sorts
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of things, people have to realize, Okay, we need to
be critical thinkers ourselves, for ourselves and our families. We
need to find a doctor who's rational, and if we
don't have a doctor who's a critical thinker, we need
a new doctor and we need to start analyzing and
trusting people who are being consistent, who speak from the data,
and who do not have an ulterior motive. When you
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look at people, and I'm gonna put it this way,
who have been in government bureaucrat jobs for forty years,
that's not because they're politically neutral. It's because they are
political themselves. It's because they know how to navigate the system,
to make friends in the media, to make friends in
the agencies. When somebody like me came in, I had
no interest. Frankly, I wasn't there to make friends. I
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had no secondary gain. I wasn't getting a second position
later on. I would there to stop people from dying
and to add critical thinking. So I think at this
point we American people have to have the sense to
look through the stuff ourselves to find people who we trust,
because we cannot just assume that the people in the
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CDC or in leadership positions in our country are really
going by the data. I mean, we know this not
just in the vaccines. We look at the masks, we
look at the studies that they ignore, and just you know,
I mean, the whole thing is still off the rails. Unfortunately,
talking to doctor Scott Atlas. He's the Senior Fellow and
Health Policy at Stanford's Hoover Institution. Also has a new
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book out, encouraging to check it out. A Plague upon
Our House, My Fight to stop COVID from destroying America,
Doctor Atlas. Much of the Red States, it appears, have
basically gotten back to normalcy. I live in Tennessee. I'm
down in Florida right now. I've been all over the
South during football season. People are basically back to normal.
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You wouldn't really know that COVID existed. But for airplane travel.
When are the rest of the states in this country.
You're out in California, it's madness still there. Buck is
in New York. How do we land the proverbial plane
and get back to normalcy in your mind? What's that
time for you? Yeah, I mean that's a that's a
good question. Because what I say when I'm asked, when
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will the CDC say this? When will doctor Fauci say this?
The answers never. You must assume it's never. There is
no indication that the people in power in these states
or at the national level are going to start stud
suddenly obeying the data or and looking at the data,
So this is an individual thing. In my view. I've
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been shocked by two things. The number one shock. The
first shock was how the power of the government could
be imposed upon Americans to restrict business, to restrict personal movement,
to do all these things, to require all of these things.
But the boat bigger surprise was the acquiescence of the
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American people. Okay, we I think all of us are stunned.
Where are the independent thinkers in the country, the independent
New Yorkers? Okay, where are the Western people who are
just always been valuing independent thought. We see protests going
on in Europe by the thousands about these mandates, about
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these requirements, about these lockdowns. That's not been a feature
in the United States. Is this is surprising to me? Now,
you're right, the states in Florida, I mean again, like
I was advisor, one of the advisors to Governor Desantha
since last spring. You know, he looked at the data
and people moved to Florida. The response was overwhelmingly positive
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because people want to live normal lives. So over one
hundred percent, one hundred percent of people over sixty five
are vaccinated in Florida, as they are in twenty states
now at this point they've had at least one dose,
which means they'll get the second dose that's in twenty states.
Once you've protected the high risk people from dying, you know,
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people should start thinking, Okay, the point is to live
your life. The point is not to be in fear
of a single virus and shutdown society on the basis
of that bizarre of focus. The public health leadership in
this country has been immoral and they've abandoned what their
basic responsibility was, which was to consider all health. They've
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never talked about the damage from the lockdowns, and those
damages were tremendous, particularly in our children. But they answer
to the question is the end is when people decide
that fan that's the only way this will end. In
my opinion, Doctor Atlas, fantastic. We appreciate you, encourage you
to check out the book, and we look forward to
talking to you again down the lineswere in the future.
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an update for you on the alleged mass murderer here.
I'm already seeing people in the media right about this
as though it's a tragedy like a tornado went through
Wauka Shaw. It was a mass murder by vehicle incident.
Five dead, dozens grievously wounded. And unless something, you know,
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unless something crazy happens. They've got the guy in custody
and know who it is. So I think we know
the situation with regard to that. We don't know the
motivation quite yet. But here's an interesting bit of news
that just broke in the last thirty minutes or so
and is now getting much more attention. Daryl Brooks thirty nine.
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He's the driver of that Redford SUV that was plowing
through and murdering people on Sunday in Waukeshaw, Wisconsin at
the Christmas at the Christmas parade. He was out on bail,
which I had mentioned earlier in the show. He's out
on bail from November nineteenth. He'd been out for two days,
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but the news update he only had to post a
thousand dollars cash bond. The news update is that the
charges that put him in that position. Why was he
out on bail? What was the crime? He was accused
of running over the mother of one of his children.
According to Daily Mail. Here he is said to have
hunted her down in a hotel, followed her in the
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street in his car, demand did that she get in,
punched her with a closed fist, and then ran her
over with his vehicle. Now, Clay, they want us to
believe that this individual, mister Daryl Brooks, who was a violent,
longstanding criminal, was just trying to escape something and so
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ran through all these people. And the very crime that
he was out on bail for forty eight hours from
involved the usage of his car as a weapon against
a defenseless person. That's where we are right now, well,
and the question that is going to become more and
more paramount if you look at so many of these
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crimes that are being committed right now in the United States,
as we are having an unbelievable, massive, without precedent increase,
for instance, in murders all over this country. Why in
the world, if you try and run somebody over in
a car, can you post a thousand dollars bail and
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be back out on the street. It's one thing if
you're getting arrested because you have a broken tail light
and you haven't paid your traffic fines. Nonviolent offenses, I
can understand the idea of having low rates of bail
and allowing people back out into the streets, but this
is an incredible failure buy our justice system that we
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are allowing people who are accused of incredibly violent crimes
right back out onto the street with almost no dollars required.
Buckets happened all over the country. It's not an accident, right.
This has been an active decision made by the Democrat
Party with its criminal justice reform mantra and George Soros
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backing far left prosecutors in places like San fran Chicago.
We've got more on that here, come up in a
few minutes. What you have to call theft mobs running
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on Tucker Carlson, we will hear from Kyle Rittenhouse a
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full sit down interview explaining much of his thoughts that
you haven't already heard from his testimony during the trial.
And here is a cut that they have released from
that interview with Tucker Carlson. Let's play cut two. Of course,
Kyle Rittenhouse immediately argued by massive amounts of the media, Oh,
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this is a white supremacist, this is a racist act.
Tucker asked him directly about his affiliation with the idea
of white supremacy. Here was Kyle Rittenhouse's answer. I tell
everybody there what happened. I said I had to do it.
I was just attacked. I was dizzy, I was vomiting.
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I couldn't breathe. This case has nothing to do with race.
It never had anything to do with race. It had
to do with the right to self defense. I'm not
a racist person. I support the BLM movement, I support
peacefully demonstrating, and I believe there needs to be change.
I believe there's a lot of prosecutorial misconduct, not just
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in my case, but in other cases. And it's just
amazing to see how much a prosecutor can take advantage
of somebody. They were trying to feed Kyle to the
mob play. That's what this was really all about from
the beginning. You even had remember I said almost a
month ago now on this show, they never should have
even brought charges. You agreed, they never should have even
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brought charges against Kyle Rittenhouse. Chris Christie, for whatever that's worth,
he was a federal prosecutor. I don't know. People have
very intense views on Chris Christie one or the other.
He said over the weekend, they never should have even
charged this individual based on the facts, based on that
they had video, which I also believe very strongly. If
there was no video, he may very well have been
found guilty, not because he did anything wrong, but because
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the narrative was so powerful and people were so set
in believing certain things that absent video, it might have
been hard to convince that jury otherwise. But I mean,
let's just let's let's look at this little bit, because
they're still saying he's racist, in a white supremacist. You
even played a clip in the first down. They're still
they're still claiming this about him. Would Kyle Rittenhouse have
gone to Kenosha if it had been entirely an ANTIFA,
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you know, radical anarchist burning down of Kenosha that was
going on that had nothing to do with BLM. I
believe the answer is very clearly, Yes, he wanted to
stop a community from being destroyed. That was his rationale
for it. Because the only place where they claim now
obviously shooting three white guys. It's hard to make a
white guy shooting three white guys. It's hard to make
the claim that's racist. They do it, but no intelligent
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person believes this, So then it's the motivation for being right.
It went from the he crossed state lines. A lot
of people freaked out about that. I mean, I crossed
state lines into Connecticut and New Jersey on a regular basis,
not a big deal. Now, the whole thing as well,
his motivation for being in Kenosha was somehow racist because
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of the connection to the Blake incident and Jacob Blake
and BLM more broadly in the background of all this,
and I just think that also has that's not if
you listen to Rittenhouse, he says he's supportive of BLM, yes,
as a movement, and even beyond that, this is a
kid who wanted to stop a neighborhood from being destroyed,
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or stop a city from being destroyed. And I think
from what we've seen of him, there's every reason to
believe he would have wanted you that, regardless of what
the background left wing or any wing political narrative was.
He just didn't want to see a town burn. Fuck
the story here, we hit on this early. The people
who are angry at kyle Rittenhouse are angry because he
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was there in the first place. That's their story because
they keep saying inaccurately he crossed state lines with a gun.
He didn't do that. The gun was in Wisconsin. And
if you look the amount of Blue Checkmark Brigade members
out there that can't even bother to get basic facts
correct in their takes is evidence of how little they
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pay attention to the real facts and how much they
embrace the narrative version of the facts. Because look, I've
said before you said this, I wouldn't want my seventeen
year old son to have been there, period. I wouldn't
have wanted protesting for BLM. I wouldn't have wanted him
trying to protect small businesses because it was a chaotic, messy,
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ugly situation. But that's not the case. The case is
did Kyle rittenhouse on that night, fear for his safety,
potentially his life, and exercise self defense as a result.
The answer is yes. The case is not about why
he was there. The case is about once he was there,
did he have a self defense? And he did? And
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why are all these rioters there? I mean, built into
all of this is an expectation on the left that
there was something righteous behind the destruction of Kenosha on
behalf of BLM, like they're somehow okay, they're allowed to
burn things down and terrorize people and break a senior
citizen's jaw because he didn't want his store to get
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burned to the ground. They did that, right, didn't hear
a lot of reporting about it. But those are the
kind of things that are going on. But people were
angry in the left, as we know, in June of
twenty twenty, was having a giant temper tantrum in the
middle of a pandemic, mind you, because of Trump, because
of BLM. They were just having this spasm of rage
unleashed onto American cities across the country, and they ultimately
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believe that there's something righteous in that. Of course, you,
and I reject that, this audience rejects that it's insane.
But as to the point about Rittenhouse and whether he
would him being there as a question of it's not
a question of honors, a question of the wisdom and
safety of being there. In my opinion, meaning this is
parent perspective, I write, I respect why Kyle Rittenhouse wanted
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to be there and what he was doing, and I
think it was brave to be there and do what
he did. I though, would be very cautious in counseling
somebody who was thinking about doing that, because let's just remember,
Kyle does what he did. There's no video there just
happened to be no video that was clear of the incident.
That young man probably goes to prison for the rest
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of his life or at least for a few decades,
which is pretty close to the same thing. So that's
what I mean. You cannot trust the system. You can't
trust the district attorney, this guy Chisholm at a Milwaukee.
You can't trust these people in the state. I'm not
even talking about the rioters. You can't trust the state
to do the right thing. They essentially abandoned Kenosha to
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this It was like a sacrifice to the rage of
the left. They should have had National Guard out there
tear gassing and resting and taking care of business. Oh no,
not in Kenosha. They did it all over the country.
They abandoned any sort of law and order. And that's
why my point is, regardless of what your political leanings
were as a parent, I don't want my kids out protesting.
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I don't want my kids out responding to the protesters.
I don't think it's safe period, because the state abrogated
its responsibility to protect business, to protect citizens, and to
protect the city. And that is the fundamental failure. That
void of leadership is what we had injured. And I
just want to mention this tubuck. There's still, to my knowledge,
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has been no suggestion that the Blake story had anything
to do with race. There's nothing to suggest that Rittenhouse
had anything to do with race. There's nothing to suggest
that George Floyd and Chauvin had anything to do with
race other than the fact that their identities are their races.
There hasn't been any suggestion that all of these stories
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that divided and destroyed us in the summer of twenty
twenty were directly related to race. To my knowledge, there's
zero tangible evidence of that. That is narrative one more
time over fact, there also seems to be a left
wing movement away from law and order that we've all
been suffering through, and you see some of the results
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of it with these with these essentially theft riots or
whatever you know that they're they're really essentially a theft
mob that gathers together. And there's more of this that
happened over the weekend. We'll tell you some of the
details we come back because it's so brazen. It is
true lawlessness, and it undermines our sense of living in
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happens when the people that are supposed to enforce the
law decide that the law is problematic for them, that
social justice is more important than actual justice, and that
criminal should get away with things. Welcome back to the
Clay and buck Show. We've seen for a long time
now the rise in violent crime across the country. We've
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seen that murders, shootings have skyrocketed. I mean, one of
the ones that is the most mind blowing to me,
and it's they're way up at Houston, They're way up
in New York, They're way up in every major an
all Democrat controlled major city by population really in the country.
Portland had a thousand shootings over last year, a thousand
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in a city that's not that big by population, by far,
the most it's ever had. One thing that we're seeing
is that when you undermine cops and when you put
prosecutors in place who are supposed to be deterring crime
and they decide that well, that doesn't seem like a
social justice mission that they really want to take on,
bad things happen. Case in point, and this is also
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at a moment where we're looking at the at the
incident involving Darryl Brooks here and we're looking at this
individual and we're understanding that he was let out just
two days after being arrested for a crime of trying
to run over with his car the mother of his children. Meanwhile,
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you have people. You've got, you know, grannies who are
waving a flag inside the Capitol in solitary confinement for
you know, eight months on end, because there's such a
danger to the public and in the in the the
EC holding cells endlessly and clay over the weekend alone,
just the last few days, you have what I think
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you have to call now theft mobs, because this is
not one or two people. This is ten, fifteen, twenty,
perhaps thirty or more people at a time, pulling up
in cars, running into a high end retail establishment, grabbing
everything in sight, and running out with it. They did
this in San Francisco over the weekend at Union Square,
(31:31):
very famous, well known place, the Louis Vaton store there.
They did this in Chicago at a Louis Vaton store,
over one hundred thousand dollars of merchandise stolen. Do you
think any of the people caught Claire are going to
serve really severe sentences? Doubtful not Buck. And actually one
of our listeners sent me a video he was staying
in Union Square. For people who don't know San Francisco
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well historically, Buck, Union Square is like, I mean, there's
a Louis Vatan there for God's sake. I mean, this
is a super high end area. Because we've been talking
in San Francisco about I believe it was Walgreens that
has effectively said, hey, we've got so much thievery that
is going on that they're shutting down five Walgreens. And
the impact here is substantial because those are jobs in
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lower income areas that are important to so many people
in those communities, and they're basically saying, hey, we can't
run these stores anymore. But Union Square is the heart
of San Francisco, a high end shopping district, and they're
just showing up and running roughshod through a Louis Vatan
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with no expectation that there's going to be any law
enforcement at all. And there are people This is gonna
be fascinating to watch because they're trying to recall Chesa
Boudin right now in San Francisco, who has made all
of this possible by effectively saying, hey, we're not going
to do any sort of criminal enforcement anymore. The rule
is if you steal less than nine hundred and fifty dollars,
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the police won't can arrest. That's the rule. Clay By
Chester Boudin. It is madness, Buck, and even in San Francisco.
And this is why I know that things are changing substantially.
I've got a lot of friends who live out in
San Francisco. We don't agree on a lot of political
related issues. They've started listening to the show. Buck, you
were talking about one of your buddies in New York
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who's not necessarily like a conservative radio listener. But they're
getting so fed up with quality of life related issues
and with this sort of crazy propaganda media world that
we live in, where they start to get told things
that they see what their own eyes are not true.
There's a demand for honesty. I gotta tell you another group,
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just the same way that I have a friend who's
a corporate lawyer in lifelong Democrat who says he loves
us for holding Fauci accountable, a guy I've known a
very long time in my life and a huge fan
of the show. I have prosecutors and I get. I mean,
I'm the one who's pointing out, for example, that Chisholm,
the district attorney in Milwaukee who let out Brooks, the
guy that just and down murder all these people with
his car that's the same district attorney everybody who ran
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the John Doe case against Scott Walker years ago. He
abused this secret investigative tactic to try to go after
the Walker campaign. I interviewed somebody that they were trying
to throw in prison for seven years for crimes like
using her cell phone inside instead of outside a building
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for campaign business. Chisholm is an absolute political hatchetman, a
Democrat left winger, of course, and he's the guy in
Milwaukee Jessi budin these other guys. I'm just pointing out
to Larry Krasner in Philadelphia. People that I know who
are prosecutors reach out. They're like, thank you for trashing
these awful prosecutors who undermine what it is we're trying
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to do, which is enforced the law and make everybody safer.
No one is safer because prosecutors feel sanctimonious and self
righteous for letting criminals go. And that's what major cities,
including New York, including San Francisco. I'm sure it's happening
in Houston too. That's what's going on. There's no doubt
and buck what this all represents is being concerned with
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overpunishing criminals is a luxury of low crime. Right Cyclically,
when people start to say, hey, maybe we're putting people
in jail for too long, it's because the crime rate
has gotten so low that it is a luxury to
be concerned that you are overpunishing criminals back in the nineties,
and I think that's where we're headed all over again.
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Three strikes in, you're out. Remember Joe Biden helped to
pass that. The reality is putting hardened criminals behind bars
for a long time does work, and it drives down,
particularly in violent crime incidents, drives down the overall rate
of crime in this country. Look, everybody in Milwaukee who
is looking at what just happened in Waukeshaw is saying,
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how in the world did this violent criminal have the
ability to be on the streets and murder in old
blood at least five people wound, forty people driving through
a Christmas parade. We are failing at protecting our communities
when that guy was allowed back on the streets for
a small amount of bail. Total failure of the criminal justices.
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We should have major updates for you momentarily based on
police doing a press conference on what happened in Wauka Shaw.
The police update is expected momentarily, so we'll know a
whole lot more about what is clearly a mass murder,
mass casualty incident in Wisconsin. We'll bring you more on that,
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