January 11, 2022 • 37 mins
Alex Berenson on the covid hospitalization numbers and the Pfizer CEO's comments on vaccine efficacy. Rand Paul destroys Fauci, Fauci plays the victim. Twitter pulls down Pfizer CEO's vax comments. NBC Nightly News propaganda on kids and covid. C&B take calls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. We've gone backwards. COVID confusion snarls the
Biden White House. That is the headline up on NBC
News right now. Welcome back to Clay and Buck Show.
It's not just us telling you that they got big
problems here. The strategy doesn't make sense, it's contradictory. They're
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falling apart. The narrative is in freefall. Others are starting
to notice it as well, even on the left, so
to speak. We've got our friend Alex Barrenson with us
right now to make sense of the latest data and numbers.
The man who is right, no matter how much they
claim otherwise, author of Pandemia, a great book you should
pick up and please subscribe to his substack. I'm a
(00:40):
subscriber as is Clay. Thanks so much for being here, Alex.
It's always a pleasure book. Okay. So Clay, just read
something out right before you came on to add into
all of this, which was all time high in nationwide
hospitalizations for COVID. Now we know that the hospitalization data
is is funky and has to be looked at. To
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begin with, that's been talked about openly recently, but the
fact that it's an all time high is also a
big indicator of something. What the heck is going on? Well,
it's we are It is a very confusing momentum. There
is an enormous amount of omicron out there, you know
it is. It is not clear how understated the testing
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is right now, but it's massively understated. So one place
you can look is actually wastewater. So I mean not
to be too you know, graphic about this, but you know,
COVID is found in wastewater, and the amount of it
is rises as more and more people get infected. And
one city that looks at this, or one region state
that looks at this pretty hard, is Massachusetts, and the
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Massachusetts wastewater data is off the charts, I mean, it is,
it is. It is incredible how many people are infected
with omicron right now, and that makes the hostilization data
really to figure out in some ways, because so many
people are are getting incidental diagnosies. Um, if there were,
if if if there were a really really serious problem
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with amicron, you'd see the hospitals being overrun, not just
the COVID numbers going up, but the hospitals as a whole,
and we're not seeing that. Right. What we're seeing is
that they're staffing shortages in hospitals and that some hospitals
are under you know, certain temporary pressure. But we're not seeing,
you know, the idea that the hospitals are collapsing. So
so that's a good thing, right. It suggests that there's
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a ton of amcron out there, but that but that
the system is still functioning. Um. But but there's other
data that you know that that that that's also confusing.
There's just a there is a lot right now. We're
kind of in the middle of this unprecedented surge, and
I think it's going to take a little while to
figure out where we wind up. Bunch that we need
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to unpack. Alex, thanks for joining us, But I want
to start here. Did you see, I imagine you did
the fire iSER CEO come out and effectively say that
there was no benefit whatsoever to the first and the
second shot of the COVID vaccine against omicron. I think
his quote was limited, if any, if any effectation against it.
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I did, and in fact I wrote a substake about this,
which I published this morning because it's fascinating what he said. Okay,
he actually said even more than that. He said that
that protection against the hospitalizations and the severe disease was
quote unquote reasonable right now if you'd had a third dose. Yes, okay,
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So he's not saying he's not saying it's effective against
hospitalizations and severe disease if you've had a third dose.
He's saying it's reasonable right now. And then simultaneously, this
is really fascinating, he said, we need to see about
a fourth dose. So what's he saying. He's saying, you
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know what this is could be sent to protect you
at all, and I'm talking about a third those it's
probably not going to protect you for very longer. Do
we lose Alex there? Oh? No, I think we might
have lost them there for a minute. Where is this?
Is this some kind of Fouci conspiracy? Are is he
pulling them off the air? Are we gonna have to
quiz the FBI, like Ted Cruise dead to find out
(04:19):
whether they were involved in knocking our boy Alex off
the interview in the middle, this is what happens when
you question the science claim side have been fiser. He's
he's he's laying out the fiser vaccine from the CEO.
And next thing, you know, we lose Alex. Uh and
and by the way, we should reiterate for those people
who were out there, new COVID hospitalization record has been set.
(04:41):
We'll get Alex back in a minute. Uh. You know
that they're running scared buck because I talked to you
about this off air, CNN reached out to me. I
think we got Alex back. CNN reached out to fact
check some of my COVID. You can tell CNN they
could reach out to me on your behalf and I
have one finger to extend in their direction. But Alex,
what's going on? So so the fives you know, and
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I don't know where we got cut off. He's saying
even a third dose doesn't work very well. Two doses
doesn't work at all. But I'm not going to promise
you that you should get a fourth dose. Now, why
on earth would he say that. My suspicion is he's
saying that because he's worried about the side effects of
a peated dosing. Because there's now data, good data out
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of the UK showing that the my charditis l charditis charditis.
I'm sorry, side effects double with each dose in young
men and um. You know, if that continues at some point,
that's going to be obvious to everybody. There are other
side effects that we you know, that we're concerned with
that may also be dose dependent. And so if you're
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Albert Borla, you made a lot of money selling the
first and second dose. You've made a lot of money
selling the third dose. Now you have a drug, an
anti viral, that seems to work pretty well, and you
have a straining that seems less dangerous. So what you
might want to do at this moment is trying to
pivot out of the vaccine business in a gentle way
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so that you're you don't get gored by side effects.
And it wouldn't surprise me at all if you hear
a lot more out of this about this from Fiser
in the next few months. Now. The other vaccine companies
are all in on vaccines. They don't have any other products,
but fis lots of the problems we're speaking to. Alex Barnson,
author of Pandemia, recommend you get this book while you can,
(06:29):
before they tell you can't read it might ban it
for being too accurate. Alex the data right now, and
we've been telling everybody you've been on with us. We
were talking in July, you would say things, quite honestly,
I would say, might get that one danged on Facebook,
you know, you'd say the vaccines don't work very well.
And at that point there were very few people willing
to say that. And people can go back and check
our work on this from July and August you were
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very open about this. Certainly in August you're very openly
open about this. And here we are now with the
Fiser CEO being like they don't work that well, you know,
like the sky of the sun's telling us what we've
known for a long time. But the data on hospitalization
the CDC right now is I can't have the exact number,
but it's effectively saying that if you are vaccinated, there's
almost no chance that you die from COVID and a
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very very very small chance you're getting hospitalized. But that
doesn't seem to track with what we've seen in other places.
Are they playing games with full vaccination including booster versus
just the two shots, or know how effective against hospitalization
and death? Is this stuff really so far? That is
a great question and The answer is they are playing.
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They are playing games, yes, the number one game they're playing.
So they make this adjustment to the data. They adjust
by the age of the vaccinated person. And their defense
against this is or the reason their statories doing this is,
we know, if you're older, you're more much, much more
likely to die from COVID, which is something, by the way,
that they completely bled about for the first year, but
now they admit, okay, you're much much more likely to
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die from COVID if you're older. Being older and being
morbidly obese, those are your risk fact from death from COVID.
What is going on? The Fauci conspiracy continues Clay, Let's
let's let's go to break here buck, we'll bring him back.
Ask a couple more questions of our boy Alex Barns.
(08:16):
And assuming that he hasn't been put inside of a
hood and tossed him, he's getting get said to one
of those Australian camps you know where you maybe you
can't knock outside, you know. Fauci's going to arrange a
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More with Alex Barnson in Just a Moment walking back
in Clay Travis buck Sexton show, I believe we have
with us right now Alex Berenson, unless doctor Fauci has
got him in the back of his car inside of
a hood driving as fast as he can towards a
off ramp into the ocean, Barrenson has the right to
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remain silent. Alex. By the way, I should mention this,
your CIA is showing, yeah, I should mention this. By
the way, that Fiser clip Buck and I were talking
about this off air, the Fiser clip that, and we
may have talked about it on air two that I
mentioned where it said it offers limited protection if any.
They made a copyright claim, so the video is no
(10:06):
longer up on Twitter, Like I just went to go
check and see, and they have pulled the CEO's comments
that the vaccine provides limited protection if any. So, if
that's not shady, I don't know what is. So, I
you know, there's always so much to talk about it.
I think this is a really really crucial point because
you always see these charts being put out about how
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protective the vaccine supposedly are, and you never see the
raw data. Okay, in the US, you cannot get a
raw number on how many vaccinated people have died in
the United States anymore, and that is a crazy, crazy fact. Okay,
you just the CDC and the state House authorities put
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out these charts that seemed the show the vaccine they're
really protective. And what I'm telling you is they are
making an adjustment that makes that essentially untrue. Okay, what
they're doing if they are just my age and saying, well,
so many more people die, who are plots of vaccinated
people are dying, but they're all really old. But they're
not making a second adjustment that is even more important,
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and that is adjusting for the health status of the
people who are or are not vaccinated. And what I
am telling you, and this is very clear from the
British data and places that are much that are more
honest about this, is that a lot of people who
are not vaccinated and dying are extremely old and they
don't get vaccinated because they can't they're in hospice or
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there or they're near hospice and they cannot be vaccinated.
And those people bump up the death numbers of the unvaccinated.
And that is the number one lie. That's the number
one way they lie with the data. And Alex keep
saying this because it's so crucial and no one else
will acknowledge it. Alex. Yesterday, I'm sure you read it.
(11:52):
The Wall Street Journal had an incredible editorial dealt with
whether the COVID vaccine mandate should be upheld by the
Supreme Court. But very inside of that article was a paragraph,
and I know you've talked about this a little bit,
that there are preliminary studies that suggest that the vaccinated
are actually under more risk to get omicron than the
(12:12):
people who are unvaccinated. In other words, we may have
a pandemic of the vaccinated as opposed to a pandemic
of the unvaccinated. What do you think about that data?
Does it comport with what you had seen? And how
much legitimacy are the early numbers to be given from
your perspective? Yeah, no, I mean I don't how my
(12:33):
test two much. But I actually think that they the
two guys who wrote that probably read my hub fact
because yeah, the four papers they mentioned come out are
four papers that I mentioned in a sub stack article
last week. So there's data from Denmark and there's data
from the UK, and it all points the same way. Actually,
the Dantash stata is the worst. The Danish status is
that you're more than twice as likely to be infected
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with omicron if you're vaccinated more than nine days prior.
So that's called negative efficacy. It means that the vaccine
is driving infection, Alex, how could that even theoretically be possible?
Just so we understand, like, how could I That just
feels like that defies believe. People are hearing that I'm
hearing and saying, wait a second. So the reason it's
possible is that the vaccine makes your body make a
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version of the spike protein. But that version of the
spike protein is not the Omicron spike protein. The omicron
spike protein has mutated it and it looks a little
bit different. So what that may mean If so, then
your body gets exposed to omicron and it starts making
a lot of anybody's okay, a lot of different kinds
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of anybody's that hook up to that spike protein. But
if they hook up in a way that doesn't exactly
fit exactly as well as as as anybody's would have
fit to the original spike protein, it can actually help
the spike protein enter your cells. Okay, the worst version
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of that is called antibody dependent enhancement. And that can
mean that can mean that you're actually getting much more
serious disease. Okay, right now, we don't have evidence of that,
but we do have evidence that that there's some there's
some version of this happening where your protection against infection
is actually negative. This is not science fiction. This is
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a real risk that was discussed months ago before it happens. So,
I mean, can we just say for a second claim,
I mean, imagine the implications of what that would mean.
A forced mass vaccination campaign that might have made might
and possibly we are you know, couching all this some
people more susceptible to infection, not necessarily severe disease, but
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infection which we might not know about fully buck for years,
right because if this is true, it's going to be
something that they try to cover up to the best
of their ability for years and years to come, certainly
as long as Biden is in office. It's amazing to
watch all this continue to unfold and there's still not
really a particularly honest discussion about this. Alex, I want
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to ask you. I know we've only got a couple
more minutes with you and having some comms issues here
on the line, but uh, you know, Fauci today was testifying, well,
Lenski was testifying. Faucci was literally pulling his mask up
and down, depending on whether he's answering or listening. Well,
Lenski is double masked up there, she's triple vexed and
double masked, and she's alone speaking to the Senate. I mean,
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these people look like utter morons to anyone who can
think for themselves. And I'm seeing now that the CDC
is under serious consideration to mandate and ninety five masks,
which is crazy. And by the way, we know Germany
did it and it did nothing, But what the heck
is going on? Look, they're like, uh, inspector gadget. Now
(15:51):
they're just like slamming the control panel. It's all a cartoon. Okay.
I walk around in New York City and New York
State with no mask on anywhere, and piece is a
word to me. Okay, you go down to Florida. It's
over all we can hope is that AMACRM is, you know,
the people who aren't infected with it to develop sort
of long term immunity the future variants, whether or not
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they've been vaccinated. Hopefully that will be the case. And
if that's the case, it doesn't matter what they say,
and especially if the vaccine companies advisor, which is the
most powerful of all, you know, are concerned enough about
sort of the risk of future shots that they don't
push them. This will all come to a crashing halt
in a matter of months. Now, where do we go
(16:34):
in the next month? That's the question I think a
lot of people have, Alex b Yeah, So so I
gave you the best case scenario. The worst case scenario
is that, you know, the vaccines actually do interfere with
development of natural immunity, and that politically, Biden and these
you know, these idiots in the public health authorities will
not let go. And so I don't know which way
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we go. But um, you know, there definitely is an
optimistic scenario here where amacan is the end of this.
Let's certainly hope. So, Alex, where can people go to
continue to support your work? Read what you've been doing,
and we do encourage everybody go back. It's all on
clambuck dot com. You got transcripts. Go listen to what
Alex was saying back in at least August, if not
July about this. But Alex worshould folks go, Um, yeah,
(17:16):
so go to substack. You can sign up for free,
you can pay, but you basically can get the same product.
I'm not in this for money. I'm in this to
get as many people leading and getting to the truth
as possible. And Pandemia is available you know, on Amazon,
on PNN dot com. Uh. You know that the book
came out at the at the end of November. It
was the best seller, even though the only people who
(17:38):
would talk about it are you guys and Tucker and Laura. Um.
But you know, I do think the truth is getting
out there. I think there are a lot of people
out there who, you know, gotten sick after being vaccinated,
and I I have seen that family members get this and
it's pretty hard to you know, trust that the vaccines
work when you've seen for yourself that they don't work.
So yeah, substack or or the book is called Pandemia.
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In an email exchange with doctor Collins, you conspire and
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I quote here directly from the email to create a
quick and devastating published takedown A three prominent epidemiologist from Harvard,
Oxford and Stanford. Apparently there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists
at Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. A published takedown, though you know,
doesn't exactly conjure up the image of a dispassionate scientist.
(19:27):
Instead of engaging them on the merits, you and doctor
Collins sought to smear them as fringe and take them
down and not in journals in lay press. This is
not only anathetical to the scientific methothod, it's the eponymity
of chief politics and it's reprehensible, doctor fouching, Do you
really think it's appropriate to use your four hundred and
twenty thousand dollars salary to attack scientists that disagree with you?
(19:53):
Is there anything more satisfying that you can watch on
Capitol Health these days than Senator and Paul having a
go at doctor Fauci over just all the all the nonsense, dishonesty,
catastrophic policy decision making, authoritarianism. They're Senator Paul pushing him
on why would you, as a public sector bureaucrat, essentially
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coordinate the undermining of other top scientific voices who disagree.
We all know the answer to it, but he should
make Fauci answer the question publicly so we all have
to hear it, and of course then Fauci did the
whole clay. You saw this right. People are mean to me.
There are threats against me, and it's like there are
threats against everybody that I know in conservative media all
(20:41):
the time. People have stalkers, they have crazy people sending
them things or whatever. That doesn't answer, and that's bad
and of course reprehensible. Nobody should do those things to anybody.
He doesn't answer the question though with Fauci, and I
think what was remarkable those when you brought up with
I think even Alex was like, wait they pulled the
video of the five or CEO. It takes a lot
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for me to be stunned with the way that disinformation
and misinformation is spread regularly on social media. But do
we still have that clip? We have that clip, right,
Let's play it so people can actually hear it because
it's been pulled off of social media. Now if I'm
not mistaken, yeah it is. You can't watch it on
Twitter anymore and see this anymore? Waited an hour one
(21:24):
listen to this. Do we know that three the two
doses of the vaccine offer very limited protection in family
The three doses with a booster. They offer reasonable protection
against hospitalization and death and less protection against the infection. Now,
we are working on a new version of our vaccine,
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the one point one that will cover only room as well,
and of course we are waiting to have the final results.
The vaccine will be ready in marks. So this is
staggering to me. So let me just kind of lay
out what exactly is going on here for people who
are listening. We just played that clip which is fisor CEO.
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We sent that clip. Buck and I go through and
look at a lot of different audio and we send
it and our crew does a fantastic job grabbing audio
we sent in that clip. And since that clip started
to go viral, the Fiser people, I'm assuming it's the
Visor people because they would theoretically have the copyright to
(22:28):
that clip that we played. They went to Twitter and
they made a copyright claim and Twitter has pulled that
video that you just heard off of all social media platforms. Now,
why would this be going on, Well, I think because
they don't want Fiser CEO admitting that the vaccine, which
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currently is a part of the vaccine mandate before the
Supreme Court, that there is in his own words, very
limited if any protection that is offered for for that
vaccine for the first two doses, And that flies directly
in the face of the Biden administration narrative, buck the
(23:12):
one they just argued Friday at the Supreme Court, which is, Oh,
if everybody was vaccinated, then we wouldn't have these issues
with COVID. Let me hit you the data again. Ninety
five percent of people sixty five and older have gotten
at least one COVID shot. Eighty six percent of people
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eighteen and over have gotten at least one COVID shot.
That's according to New York Times data. So if that
data is accurate, then which there's no reason to believe
it isn't How in the world. The question I think
that a lot of people follow there is wait a minute,
if these massive vaccine rates have occurred and we're still
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setting all time hospitalization COVID records, how is that possible.
There's a disconnect. There's also the reality here that while
we're telling you what's actually happening, what the data is,
and there are some who are recognizing that this just
if you're going to live in the real world, the
fauciite narrative is essentially in collapse. Right, That's what we've
(24:16):
been told is and true, But there are still people
that realize, for either the purposes of ratings or politics
or both, it's very useful to terrify people. This was
on NBC Nightly News. Clay I sent this into our
team last night. It is studying. Listen to how they
explain what's going on with kids and COVID. It's something
(24:38):
that I'm telling you. When you hear it, you're gonna
say it's like they don't read the news. Over at
NBC News, Good Evening. The numbers remain staggering tonight, stretching
our patients and our capacity to fix all that COVID
has broken. From the millions forced to isolated home to
the emergency rooms and ICUs desperately short on staff but
filled with a sick and the very young. We've learned
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that over the last week, more than five hundred eighty
thousand child COVID cases were recorded, tripling the number of
cases two weeks prior. COVID cases in children are not
serious ninety nine point what seven point eight percent of
the time. I think even higher, probably ninety nine point
(25:22):
nine nine nine. I mean, the real CDC data for
twelve and under. Forget about what the idiots on the
view in other places say. The real CDC data is
something like one hundred and fifty children, maybe credibly have
died from a severe COVID case. And keep in mind
that every year of flu season, about fifty to one
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hundred and fifty die of flu in that same age category.
Every death is a tragedy. But acting like when you
have hundreds of thousands of cases and maybe maybe fifty
to one hundred children have actually died of those hundreds
of thousands of cases, we're gonna shut down society in
some capacity in schools to stop this is utter madness.
It's just that these are known cases. We're likely in
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the tens to millions, that's right, right, of actual kids
that have had COVID. This is why another area where
the numbers, we have to keep reminding everybody the mortality
data in general is crap the way that it is
presented to you. It is because if you have one
hundred and fifty kids, let's say, who have died from COVID,
and it's roughly that you can go fact check me
(26:27):
at CDC dot gov. They put this on all my
Facebook and Twitter post TOC dot gov. Right, even when
I list something from CDC dot gov, I'm on the
list of you know, Fauci hates me and I don't know.
I don't know if he hates you. He probably is.
He's probably a Georgia Bulldogs fan. I don't know. Well,
I'll say this, CNN is angry about some of the
tweets that I've been sending, so they're checking me, literally
(26:48):
the worst news organization. You know, you should reply, didn't
you guys ban me forever? Whimp? Yes, anyways, I would reply,
but you banned me for life? Yeah, exactly, so you know.
But but on the mortality data, let's all remember that
if you're talking about one hundred and fifty kids who
have died from COVID over the course of two years now,
and it's something like that, they said hundreds of thousands
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of infections, the numbers actually much bigger than that, which
should mean that people are much less concerned about children
getting COVID because in the early days of the pandemic
they thought they were catching one in ten cases. Maybe
maybe now we'd be catching one in five, which should
be remarkable. It's probably more like one in ten, especially
among kids who we all know beat the virus so quickly.
(27:33):
They don't remember when forty percent of cases were asymptomatically.
What happened? You remember when they would talk about forty
percent of all cases asymptomatic. Somehow that fell fell off
the radar. What's going on? Yeah, and look, we're setting
new daily records for number of people that are testing
positive for COVID. To your point, buck, even though the
vast majority I think of people who are testing positive
(27:54):
are doing so doing so either at home or they're sick,
and they don't even bother getting tested at all, because
it doesn't make sense. It's stunning, folks. And if you
want to chat with us eight hundred two two two
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show for the day. Thank
you so much all for being with us. If you
missed any part of it, our honestly fantastic interviews today
with we had Alex Barrinson, just now author of Pandemia.
(29:43):
We also had the Congressman from Ohio, Jim Jordan, and
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It's a quick one. Throw that in the mix too,
in case you run out of Clay and Buck, you
can throw that one. At the end of the day,
we have James in Canyon Lake, Texas. What's up, James? Yeah, Hey,
I was just gonna say right now, the Force vaccine
is a left problem. But the second Trump announces he's
gonna run, they will pivot so fast on the vaccine.
(30:28):
They will report all the negative side effects. They'll even
make some up. They will say warp Speed got it
wrong and Joe would have got it right. Joe, James,
I can appreciate the fact that you recognize these people
have zero honesty or integrity to protect, and so they'll
do almost anything. But I don't think I'll just be
honestly there, you're you're intil of the your opinion. Of course,
I don't see that happening because they've embraced all this
(30:51):
vaccine stuff so much. Clay, how do you it would
be happening buck if Trump were still president, Right, if
they could hang everything just like they did in twenty twenty.
I mean, more people have died with COVID. I think
we need to keep saying with COVID since Joe Biden
became president, then died with COVID when Donald Trump was president.
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But I think that what they've done is pivot away
from blaming the president, and now what they're saying is, oh,
nobody could have done any better than what Joe Biden
has done. Right, That's the argument they're going to try
to make. So I don't think that they're going to
be able to hang everything on Trump. Now. If he
had stayed president, then there's no doubt that he would
(31:33):
be getting blamed way worse for everything than Joe Biden.
I firmly believe that he would be on impeachment number three,
they'd find some crazy. I mean, look what they did
with the Ukraine phone call. These people are pizza president
or anything, debasing the whole system we have on the process.
I mean, just think about how crazy it is. We
(31:54):
still don't have tests, and Joe Biden went after Donald
Trump for not having tests, you know, during the middle
of the presidential campaign. So imagine if Trump were still president.
I am of the opinion some of you may disagree
that COVID isn't going to be much different no matter
what the political response was, right. That is, virtually nothing
(32:15):
that we have done, in my opinion, has substantially altered
the trajectory of We've basically been in a lead it
rip scenario. We just piled on top of that scenario
a whole lot of unnecessary mitigations, intrusions, masking, and all
the rest of it. That's really when you do a
real macro analysis of this, you look at look at
all over the world, all the things that have been tried,
(32:37):
all the places, and anyone that says this looks like
a success, that this regime of lockdowns and in the
global panic that ensued, it's just crazy. Chet in Tampa, Florida, Chet,
what do you got thank you, gentlemen. Well, for the
last year, all you've heard is mandate, mandate, mandate. You've
got to get this shot. You've got to get this shot.
(32:57):
Biden has been great at putting his feet in the mouth. Well,
I think he outdid himself two weeks ago, after all
this mandate issues, he says there is no federal fix
for COVID. Yes, so didn't that shoots the mandate right
out of the sound yet excellent point. Excellent point. And
I would say, just to expand upon or if we're in,
(33:20):
if we're in, you know, corporate Parlan's clay to piggyback
off of Chet's point here, yea, to circle back, close
the loop, piggyback and level set expectations. Oh, I can
go all day, folks. Chet, the the Biden regime wants
to simultaneously have the power to do whatever it wants
when it comes to COVID, but none of the responsibility
for the poor outcomes and failed decision making that led
(33:42):
us to this point that they've used during COVID. You
see what I mean. They want the upside, not the downside.
And look, it's not a surprise that as we hit
an all time hospitalization record, Biden is showing up in
Georgia to do what talk about fundamental threats to our
democracy from from the filibuster, if the filibuster is not
reformed and all these different things. Meanwhile, a lot of
(34:05):
you out there are kind of throwing up your hands saying,
I'm not really focused on electoral integrity right now. I'm
wondering why we've had a thousand flights a day or
whatever the heck it is canceled for the last ten
days in a row. I'm wondering why. One of the
girls that works here came in and she said her
mom works at Walmart, and she said, sixty three people
(34:25):
at her mom's Walmart called in with COVID today. So,
I mean, it's a big store, but that's got to
be happening everywhere all over the country right now. And
so this idea that we're focused on exidital threats to democracy, No,
let's figure out what's going on with COVID since you
promised to shut it down, Biden, Stephen and Allentown, Pennsylvania
has got some thoughts. Hey, Stephen, what's up? Thank you
(34:47):
for doing what you do. Thank you every day carrying
on the good work. Quickie. My wife's a veterinarian and
she said to me, there's a big difference between inoculation
and vaccination, and this covid shot is not a vaccination.
It's an inoculation. That's why you have to keep getting
(35:08):
boosters on a regular basis. You don't get your dogs
vaccinated every six months. You get them vaccinated, they're good
for five years. I'm not an expert on that distinction.
What I would say is when the fiser CEO gets
a video pulled off the internet where he's saying that
provides limited, if any protection the first two shots, that's
(35:28):
just a COVID shot, right, I mean it's the flu shot.
That's where we basically are. It is an inoculation, is
not a vaccination. It's a short thank you for that
call it. It's a short lived boost that we don't
know how long. Frankly, at last, we want to give
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My wife is from Michigan. Spend a lot of time
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Michigan and Illinois in recent years, Clay, and in parts
of those states that are so red and so freedom
(36:11):
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. We've gone backwards. COVID confusion snarls the
Biden White House. That is the headline up on NBC
News right now. Welcome back to Clay and Buck Show.
It's not just us telling you that they got big
problems here. The strategy doesn't make sense, it's contradictory. They're
(00:20):
falling apart. The narrative is in freefall. Others are starting
to notice it as well, even on the left, so
to speak. We've got our friend Alex Barrenson with us
right now to make sense of the latest data and numbers.
The man who is right, no matter how much they
claim otherwise, author of Pandemia, a great book you should
pick up and please subscribe to his substack. I'm a
(00:40):
subscriber as is Clay. Thanks so much for being here, Alex.
It's always a pleasure book. Okay. So Clay, just read
something out right before you came on to add into
all of this, which was all time high in nationwide
hospitalizations for COVID. Now we know that the hospitalization data
is is funky and has to be looked at. To
(01:01):
begin with, that's been talked about openly recently, but the
fact that it's an all time high is also a
big indicator of something. What the heck is going on? Well,
it's we are It is a very confusing momentum. There
is an enormous amount of omicron out there, you know
it is. It is not clear how understated the testing
(01:24):
is right now, but it's massively understated. So one place
you can look is actually wastewater. So I mean not
to be too you know, graphic about this, but you know,
COVID is found in wastewater, and the amount of it
is rises as more and more people get infected. And
one city that looks at this, or one region state
that looks at this pretty hard, is Massachusetts, and the
(01:48):
Massachusetts wastewater data is off the charts, I mean, it is,
it is. It is incredible how many people are infected
with omicron right now, and that makes the hostilization data
really to figure out in some ways, because so many
people are are getting incidental diagnosies. Um, if there were,
if if if there were a really really serious problem
(02:10):
with amicron, you'd see the hospitals being overrun, not just
the COVID numbers going up, but the hospitals as a whole,
and we're not seeing that. Right. What we're seeing is
that they're staffing shortages in hospitals and that some hospitals
are under you know, certain temporary pressure. But we're not seeing,
you know, the idea that the hospitals are collapsing. So
so that's a good thing, right. It suggests that there's
(02:31):
a ton of amcron out there, but that but that
the system is still functioning. Um. But but there's other
data that you know that that that that's also confusing.
There's just a there is a lot right now. We're
kind of in the middle of this unprecedented surge, and
I think it's going to take a little while to
figure out where we wind up. Bunch that we need
(02:53):
to unpack. Alex, thanks for joining us, But I want
to start here. Did you see, I imagine you did
the fire iSER CEO come out and effectively say that
there was no benefit whatsoever to the first and the
second shot of the COVID vaccine against omicron. I think
his quote was limited, if any, if any effectation against it.
(03:15):
I did, and in fact I wrote a substake about this,
which I published this morning because it's fascinating what he said. Okay,
he actually said even more than that. He said that
that protection against the hospitalizations and the severe disease was
quote unquote reasonable right now if you'd had a third dose. Yes, okay,
(03:36):
So he's not saying he's not saying it's effective against
hospitalizations and severe disease if you've had a third dose.
He's saying it's reasonable right now. And then simultaneously, this
is really fascinating, he said, we need to see about
a fourth dose. So what's he saying. He's saying, you
(03:57):
know what this is could be sent to protect you
at all, and I'm talking about a third those it's
probably not going to protect you for very longer. Do
we lose Alex there? Oh? No, I think we might
have lost them there for a minute. Where is this?
Is this some kind of Fouci conspiracy? Are is he
pulling them off the air? Are we gonna have to
quiz the FBI, like Ted Cruise dead to find out
(04:19):
whether they were involved in knocking our boy Alex off
the interview in the middle, this is what happens when
you question the science claim side have been fiser. He's
he's he's laying out the fiser vaccine from the CEO.
And next thing, you know, we lose Alex. Uh and
and by the way, we should reiterate for those people
who were out there, new COVID hospitalization record has been set.
(04:41):
We'll get Alex back in a minute. Uh. You know
that they're running scared buck because I talked to you
about this off air, CNN reached out to me. I
think we got Alex back. CNN reached out to fact
check some of my COVID. You can tell CNN they
could reach out to me on your behalf and I
have one finger to extend in their direction. But Alex,
what's going on? So so the fives you know, and
(05:01):
I don't know where we got cut off. He's saying
even a third dose doesn't work very well. Two doses
doesn't work at all. But I'm not going to promise
you that you should get a fourth dose. Now, why
on earth would he say that. My suspicion is he's
saying that because he's worried about the side effects of
a peated dosing. Because there's now data, good data out
(05:23):
of the UK showing that the my charditis l charditis charditis.
I'm sorry, side effects double with each dose in young
men and um. You know, if that continues at some point,
that's going to be obvious to everybody. There are other
side effects that we you know, that we're concerned with
that may also be dose dependent. And so if you're
(05:46):
Albert Borla, you made a lot of money selling the
first and second dose. You've made a lot of money
selling the third dose. Now you have a drug, an
anti viral, that seems to work pretty well, and you
have a straining that seems less dangerous. So what you
might want to do at this moment is trying to
pivot out of the vaccine business in a gentle way
(06:07):
so that you're you don't get gored by side effects.
And it wouldn't surprise me at all if you hear
a lot more out of this about this from Fiser
in the next few months. Now. The other vaccine companies
are all in on vaccines. They don't have any other products,
but fis lots of the problems we're speaking to. Alex Barnson,
author of Pandemia, recommend you get this book while you can,
(06:29):
before they tell you can't read it might ban it
for being too accurate. Alex the data right now, and
we've been telling everybody you've been on with us. We
were talking in July, you would say things, quite honestly,
I would say, might get that one danged on Facebook,
you know, you'd say the vaccines don't work very well.
And at that point there were very few people willing
to say that. And people can go back and check
our work on this from July and August you were
(06:50):
very open about this. Certainly in August you're very openly
open about this. And here we are now with the
Fiser CEO being like they don't work that well, you know,
like the sky of the sun's telling us what we've
known for a long time. But the data on hospitalization
the CDC right now is I can't have the exact number,
but it's effectively saying that if you are vaccinated, there's
almost no chance that you die from COVID and a
(07:13):
very very very small chance you're getting hospitalized. But that
doesn't seem to track with what we've seen in other places.
Are they playing games with full vaccination including booster versus
just the two shots, or know how effective against hospitalization
and death? Is this stuff really so far? That is
a great question and The answer is they are playing.
(07:33):
They are playing games, yes, the number one game they're playing.
So they make this adjustment to the data. They adjust
by the age of the vaccinated person. And their defense
against this is or the reason their statories doing this is,
we know, if you're older, you're more much, much more
likely to die from COVID, which is something, by the way,
that they completely bled about for the first year, but
now they admit, okay, you're much much more likely to
(07:55):
die from COVID if you're older. Being older and being
morbidly obese, those are your risk fact from death from COVID.
What is going on? The Fauci conspiracy continues Clay, Let's
let's let's go to break here buck, we'll bring him back.
Ask a couple more questions of our boy Alex Barns.
(08:16):
And assuming that he hasn't been put inside of a
hood and tossed him, he's getting get said to one
of those Australian camps you know where you maybe you
can't knock outside, you know. Fauci's going to arrange a
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More with Alex Barnson in Just a Moment walking back
in Clay Travis buck Sexton show, I believe we have
with us right now Alex Berenson, unless doctor Fauci has
got him in the back of his car inside of
a hood driving as fast as he can towards a
off ramp into the ocean, Barrenson has the right to
(09:43):
remain silent. Alex. By the way, I should mention this,
your CIA is showing, yeah, I should mention this. By
the way, that Fiser clip Buck and I were talking
about this off air, the Fiser clip that, and we
may have talked about it on air two that I
mentioned where it said it offers limited protection if any.
They made a copyright claim, so the video is no
(10:06):
longer up on Twitter, Like I just went to go
check and see, and they have pulled the CEO's comments
that the vaccine provides limited protection if any. So, if
that's not shady, I don't know what is. So, I
you know, there's always so much to talk about it.
I think this is a really really crucial point because
you always see these charts being put out about how
(10:28):
protective the vaccine supposedly are, and you never see the
raw data. Okay, in the US, you cannot get a
raw number on how many vaccinated people have died in
the United States anymore, and that is a crazy, crazy fact. Okay,
you just the CDC and the state House authorities put
(10:48):
out these charts that seemed the show the vaccine they're
really protective. And what I'm telling you is they are
making an adjustment that makes that essentially untrue. Okay, what
they're doing if they are just my age and saying, well,
so many more people die, who are plots of vaccinated
people are dying, but they're all really old. But they're
not making a second adjustment that is even more important,
(11:10):
and that is adjusting for the health status of the
people who are or are not vaccinated. And what I
am telling you, and this is very clear from the
British data and places that are much that are more
honest about this, is that a lot of people who
are not vaccinated and dying are extremely old and they
don't get vaccinated because they can't they're in hospice or
(11:31):
there or they're near hospice and they cannot be vaccinated.
And those people bump up the death numbers of the unvaccinated.
And that is the number one lie. That's the number
one way they lie with the data. And Alex keep
saying this because it's so crucial and no one else
will acknowledge it. Alex. Yesterday, I'm sure you read it.
(11:52):
The Wall Street Journal had an incredible editorial dealt with
whether the COVID vaccine mandate should be upheld by the
Supreme Court. But very inside of that article was a paragraph,
and I know you've talked about this a little bit,
that there are preliminary studies that suggest that the vaccinated
are actually under more risk to get omicron than the
(12:12):
people who are unvaccinated. In other words, we may have
a pandemic of the vaccinated as opposed to a pandemic
of the unvaccinated. What do you think about that data?
Does it comport with what you had seen? And how
much legitimacy are the early numbers to be given from
your perspective? Yeah, no, I mean I don't how my
(12:33):
test two much. But I actually think that they the
two guys who wrote that probably read my hub fact
because yeah, the four papers they mentioned come out are
four papers that I mentioned in a sub stack article
last week. So there's data from Denmark and there's data
from the UK, and it all points the same way. Actually,
the Dantash stata is the worst. The Danish status is
that you're more than twice as likely to be infected
(12:56):
with omicron if you're vaccinated more than nine days prior.
So that's called negative efficacy. It means that the vaccine
is driving infection, Alex, how could that even theoretically be possible?
Just so we understand, like, how could I That just
feels like that defies believe. People are hearing that I'm
hearing and saying, wait a second. So the reason it's
possible is that the vaccine makes your body make a
(13:18):
version of the spike protein. But that version of the
spike protein is not the Omicron spike protein. The omicron
spike protein has mutated it and it looks a little
bit different. So what that may mean If so, then
your body gets exposed to omicron and it starts making
a lot of anybody's okay, a lot of different kinds
(13:40):
of anybody's that hook up to that spike protein. But
if they hook up in a way that doesn't exactly
fit exactly as well as as as anybody's would have
fit to the original spike protein, it can actually help
the spike protein enter your cells. Okay, the worst version
(14:02):
of that is called antibody dependent enhancement. And that can
mean that can mean that you're actually getting much more
serious disease. Okay, right now, we don't have evidence of that,
but we do have evidence that that there's some there's
some version of this happening where your protection against infection
is actually negative. This is not science fiction. This is
(14:23):
a real risk that was discussed months ago before it happens. So,
I mean, can we just say for a second claim,
I mean, imagine the implications of what that would mean.
A forced mass vaccination campaign that might have made might
and possibly we are you know, couching all this some
people more susceptible to infection, not necessarily severe disease, but
(14:45):
infection which we might not know about fully buck for years,
right because if this is true, it's going to be
something that they try to cover up to the best
of their ability for years and years to come, certainly
as long as Biden is in office. It's amazing to
watch all this continue to unfold and there's still not
really a particularly honest discussion about this. Alex, I want
(15:07):
to ask you. I know we've only got a couple
more minutes with you and having some comms issues here
on the line, but uh, you know, Fauci today was testifying, well,
Lenski was testifying. Faucci was literally pulling his mask up
and down, depending on whether he's answering or listening. Well,
Lenski is double masked up there, she's triple vexed and
double masked, and she's alone speaking to the Senate. I mean,
(15:31):
these people look like utter morons to anyone who can
think for themselves. And I'm seeing now that the CDC
is under serious consideration to mandate and ninety five masks,
which is crazy. And by the way, we know Germany
did it and it did nothing, But what the heck
is going on? Look, they're like, uh, inspector gadget. Now
(15:51):
they're just like slamming the control panel. It's all a cartoon. Okay.
I walk around in New York City and New York
State with no mask on anywhere, and piece is a
word to me. Okay, you go down to Florida. It's
over all we can hope is that AMACRM is, you know,
the people who aren't infected with it to develop sort
of long term immunity the future variants, whether or not
(16:12):
they've been vaccinated. Hopefully that will be the case. And
if that's the case, it doesn't matter what they say,
and especially if the vaccine companies advisor, which is the
most powerful of all, you know, are concerned enough about
sort of the risk of future shots that they don't
push them. This will all come to a crashing halt
in a matter of months. Now, where do we go
(16:34):
in the next month? That's the question I think a
lot of people have, Alex b Yeah, So so I
gave you the best case scenario. The worst case scenario
is that, you know, the vaccines actually do interfere with
development of natural immunity, and that politically, Biden and these
you know, these idiots in the public health authorities will
not let go. And so I don't know which way
(16:55):
we go. But um, you know, there definitely is an
optimistic scenario here where amacan is the end of this.
Let's certainly hope. So, Alex, where can people go to
continue to support your work? Read what you've been doing,
and we do encourage everybody go back. It's all on
clambuck dot com. You got transcripts. Go listen to what
Alex was saying back in at least August, if not
July about this. But Alex worshould folks go, Um, yeah,
(17:16):
so go to substack. You can sign up for free,
you can pay, but you basically can get the same product.
I'm not in this for money. I'm in this to
get as many people leading and getting to the truth
as possible. And Pandemia is available you know, on Amazon,
on PNN dot com. Uh. You know that the book
came out at the at the end of November. It
was the best seller, even though the only people who
(17:38):
would talk about it are you guys and Tucker and Laura. Um.
But you know, I do think the truth is getting
out there. I think there are a lot of people
out there who, you know, gotten sick after being vaccinated,
and I I have seen that family members get this and
it's pretty hard to you know, trust that the vaccines
work when you've seen for yourself that they don't work.
So yeah, substack or or the book is called Pandemia.
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In an email exchange with doctor Collins, you conspire and
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I quote here directly from the email to create a
quick and devastating published takedown A three prominent epidemiologist from Harvard,
Oxford and Stanford. Apparently there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists
at Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. A published takedown, though you know,
doesn't exactly conjure up the image of a dispassionate scientist.
(19:27):
Instead of engaging them on the merits, you and doctor
Collins sought to smear them as fringe and take them
down and not in journals in lay press. This is
not only anathetical to the scientific methothod, it's the eponymity
of chief politics and it's reprehensible, doctor fouching, Do you
really think it's appropriate to use your four hundred and
twenty thousand dollars salary to attack scientists that disagree with you?
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Is there anything more satisfying that you can watch on
Capitol Health these days than Senator and Paul having a
go at doctor Fauci over just all the all the nonsense, dishonesty,
catastrophic policy decision making, authoritarianism. They're Senator Paul pushing him
on why would you, as a public sector bureaucrat, essentially
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coordinate the undermining of other top scientific voices who disagree.
We all know the answer to it, but he should
make Fauci answer the question publicly so we all have
to hear it, and of course then Fauci did the
whole clay. You saw this right. People are mean to me.
There are threats against me, and it's like there are
threats against everybody that I know in conservative media all
(20:41):
the time. People have stalkers, they have crazy people sending
them things or whatever. That doesn't answer, and that's bad
and of course reprehensible. Nobody should do those things to anybody.
He doesn't answer the question though with Fauci, and I
think what was remarkable those when you brought up with
I think even Alex was like, wait they pulled the
video of the five or CEO. It takes a lot
(21:03):
for me to be stunned with the way that disinformation
and misinformation is spread regularly on social media. But do
we still have that clip? We have that clip, right,
Let's play it so people can actually hear it because
it's been pulled off of social media. Now if I'm
not mistaken, yeah it is. You can't watch it on
Twitter anymore and see this anymore? Waited an hour one
(21:24):
listen to this. Do we know that three the two
doses of the vaccine offer very limited protection in family
The three doses with a booster. They offer reasonable protection
against hospitalization and death and less protection against the infection. Now,
we are working on a new version of our vaccine,
(21:44):
the one point one that will cover only room as well,
and of course we are waiting to have the final results.
The vaccine will be ready in marks. So this is
staggering to me. So let me just kind of lay
out what exactly is going on here for people who
are listening. We just played that clip which is fisor CEO.
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We sent that clip. Buck and I go through and
look at a lot of different audio and we send
it and our crew does a fantastic job grabbing audio
we sent in that clip. And since that clip started
to go viral, the Fiser people, I'm assuming it's the
Visor people because they would theoretically have the copyright to
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that clip that we played. They went to Twitter and
they made a copyright claim and Twitter has pulled that
video that you just heard off of all social media platforms. Now,
why would this be going on, Well, I think because
they don't want Fiser CEO admitting that the vaccine, which
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currently is a part of the vaccine mandate before the
Supreme Court, that there is in his own words, very
limited if any protection that is offered for for that
vaccine for the first two doses, And that flies directly
in the face of the Biden administration narrative, buck the
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one they just argued Friday at the Supreme Court, which is, Oh,
if everybody was vaccinated, then we wouldn't have these issues
with COVID. Let me hit you the data again. Ninety
five percent of people sixty five and older have gotten
at least one COVID shot. Eighty six percent of people
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eighteen and over have gotten at least one COVID shot.
That's according to New York Times data. So if that
data is accurate, then which there's no reason to believe
it isn't How in the world. The question I think
that a lot of people follow there is wait a minute,
if these massive vaccine rates have occurred and we're still
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setting all time hospitalization COVID records, how is that possible.
There's a disconnect. There's also the reality here that while
we're telling you what's actually happening, what the data is,
and there are some who are recognizing that this just
if you're going to live in the real world, the
fauciite narrative is essentially in collapse. Right, That's what we've
(24:16):
been told is and true, But there are still people
that realize, for either the purposes of ratings or politics
or both, it's very useful to terrify people. This was
on NBC Nightly News. Clay I sent this into our
team last night. It is studying. Listen to how they
explain what's going on with kids and COVID. It's something
(24:38):
that I'm telling you. When you hear it, you're gonna
say it's like they don't read the news. Over at
NBC News, Good Evening. The numbers remain staggering tonight, stretching
our patients and our capacity to fix all that COVID
has broken. From the millions forced to isolated home to
the emergency rooms and ICUs desperately short on staff but
filled with a sick and the very young. We've learned
(25:02):
that over the last week, more than five hundred eighty
thousand child COVID cases were recorded, tripling the number of
cases two weeks prior. COVID cases in children are not
serious ninety nine point what seven point eight percent of
the time. I think even higher, probably ninety nine point
(25:22):
nine nine nine. I mean, the real CDC data for
twelve and under. Forget about what the idiots on the
view in other places say. The real CDC data is
something like one hundred and fifty children, maybe credibly have
died from a severe COVID case. And keep in mind
that every year of flu season, about fifty to one
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hundred and fifty die of flu in that same age category.
Every death is a tragedy. But acting like when you
have hundreds of thousands of cases and maybe maybe fifty
to one hundred children have actually died of those hundreds
of thousands of cases, we're gonna shut down society in
some capacity in schools to stop this is utter madness.
It's just that these are known cases. We're likely in
(26:06):
the tens to millions, that's right, right, of actual kids
that have had COVID. This is why another area where
the numbers, we have to keep reminding everybody the mortality
data in general is crap the way that it is
presented to you. It is because if you have one
hundred and fifty kids, let's say, who have died from COVID,
and it's roughly that you can go fact check me
(26:27):
at CDC dot gov. They put this on all my
Facebook and Twitter post TOC dot gov. Right, even when
I list something from CDC dot gov, I'm on the
list of you know, Fauci hates me and I don't know.
I don't know if he hates you. He probably is.
He's probably a Georgia Bulldogs fan. I don't know. Well,
I'll say this, CNN is angry about some of the
tweets that I've been sending, so they're checking me, literally
(26:48):
the worst news organization. You know, you should reply, didn't
you guys ban me forever? Whimp? Yes, anyways, I would reply,
but you banned me for life? Yeah, exactly, so you know.
But but on the mortality data, let's all remember that
if you're talking about one hundred and fifty kids who
have died from COVID over the course of two years now,
and it's something like that, they said hundreds of thousands
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of infections, the numbers actually much bigger than that, which
should mean that people are much less concerned about children
getting COVID because in the early days of the pandemic
they thought they were catching one in ten cases. Maybe
maybe now we'd be catching one in five, which should
be remarkable. It's probably more like one in ten, especially
among kids who we all know beat the virus so quickly.
(27:33):
They don't remember when forty percent of cases were asymptomatically.
What happened? You remember when they would talk about forty
percent of all cases asymptomatic. Somehow that fell fell off
the radar. What's going on? Yeah, and look, we're setting
new daily records for number of people that are testing
positive for COVID. To your point, buck, even though the
vast majority I think of people who are testing positive
(27:54):
are doing so doing so either at home or they're sick,
and they don't even bother getting tested at all, because
it doesn't make sense. It's stunning, folks. And if you
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show for the day. Thank
you so much all for being with us. If you
missed any part of it, our honestly fantastic interviews today
with we had Alex Barrinson, just now author of Pandemia.
(29:43):
We also had the Congressman from Ohio, Jim Jordan, and
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It's a quick one. Throw that in the mix too,
in case you run out of Clay and Buck, you
can throw that one. At the end of the day,
we have James in Canyon Lake, Texas. What's up, James? Yeah, Hey,
I was just gonna say right now, the Force vaccine
is a left problem. But the second Trump announces he's
gonna run, they will pivot so fast on the vaccine.
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They will report all the negative side effects. They'll even
make some up. They will say warp Speed got it
wrong and Joe would have got it right. Joe, James,
I can appreciate the fact that you recognize these people
have zero honesty or integrity to protect, and so they'll
do almost anything. But I don't think I'll just be
honestly there, you're you're intil of the your opinion. Of course,
I don't see that happening because they've embraced all this
(30:51):
vaccine stuff so much. Clay, how do you it would
be happening buck if Trump were still president, Right, if
they could hang everything just like they did in twenty twenty.
I mean, more people have died with COVID. I think
we need to keep saying with COVID since Joe Biden
became president, then died with COVID when Donald Trump was president.
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But I think that what they've done is pivot away
from blaming the president, and now what they're saying is, oh,
nobody could have done any better than what Joe Biden
has done. Right, That's the argument they're going to try
to make. So I don't think that they're going to
be able to hang everything on Trump. Now. If he
had stayed president, then there's no doubt that he would
(31:33):
be getting blamed way worse for everything than Joe Biden.
I firmly believe that he would be on impeachment number three,
they'd find some crazy. I mean, look what they did
with the Ukraine phone call. These people are pizza president
or anything, debasing the whole system we have on the process.
I mean, just think about how crazy it is. We
(31:54):
still don't have tests, and Joe Biden went after Donald
Trump for not having tests, you know, during the middle
of the presidential campaign. So imagine if Trump were still president.
I am of the opinion some of you may disagree
that COVID isn't going to be much different no matter
what the political response was, right. That is, virtually nothing
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that we have done, in my opinion, has substantially altered
the trajectory of We've basically been in a lead it
rip scenario. We just piled on top of that scenario
a whole lot of unnecessary mitigations, intrusions, masking, and all
the rest of it. That's really when you do a
real macro analysis of this, you look at look at
all over the world, all the things that have been tried,
(32:37):
all the places, and anyone that says this looks like
a success, that this regime of lockdowns and in the
global panic that ensued, it's just crazy. Chet in Tampa, Florida, Chet,
what do you got thank you, gentlemen. Well, for the
last year, all you've heard is mandate, mandate, mandate. You've
got to get this shot. You've got to get this shot.
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Biden has been great at putting his feet in the mouth. Well,
I think he outdid himself two weeks ago, after all
this mandate issues, he says there is no federal fix
for COVID. Yes, so didn't that shoots the mandate right
out of the sound yet excellent point. Excellent point. And
I would say, just to expand upon or if we're in,
(33:20):
if we're in, you know, corporate Parlan's clay to piggyback
off of Chet's point here, yea, to circle back, close
the loop, piggyback and level set expectations. Oh, I can
go all day, folks. Chet, the the Biden regime wants
to simultaneously have the power to do whatever it wants
when it comes to COVID, but none of the responsibility
for the poor outcomes and failed decision making that led
(33:42):
us to this point that they've used during COVID. You
see what I mean. They want the upside, not the downside.
And look, it's not a surprise that as we hit
an all time hospitalization record, Biden is showing up in
Georgia to do what talk about fundamental threats to our
democracy from from the filibuster, if the filibuster is not
reformed and all these different things. Meanwhile, a lot of
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you out there are kind of throwing up your hands saying,
I'm not really focused on electoral integrity right now. I'm
wondering why we've had a thousand flights a day or
whatever the heck it is canceled for the last ten
days in a row. I'm wondering why. One of the
girls that works here came in and she said her
mom works at Walmart, and she said, sixty three people
(34:25):
at her mom's Walmart called in with COVID today. So,
I mean, it's a big store, but that's got to
be happening everywhere all over the country right now. And
so this idea that we're focused on exidital threats to democracy, No,
let's figure out what's going on with COVID since you
promised to shut it down, Biden, Stephen and Allentown, Pennsylvania
has got some thoughts. Hey, Stephen, what's up? Thank you
(34:47):
for doing what you do. Thank you every day carrying
on the good work. Quickie. My wife's a veterinarian and
she said to me, there's a big difference between inoculation
and vaccination, and this covid shot is not a vaccination.
It's an inoculation. That's why you have to keep getting
(35:08):
boosters on a regular basis. You don't get your dogs
vaccinated every six months. You get them vaccinated, they're good
for five years. I'm not an expert on that distinction.
What I would say is when the fiser CEO gets
a video pulled off the internet where he's saying that
provides limited, if any protection the first two shots, that's
(35:28):
just a COVID shot, right, I mean it's the flu shot.
That's where we basically are. It is an inoculation, is
not a vaccination. It's a short thank you for that
call it. It's a short lived boost that we don't
know how long. Frankly, at last, we want to give
a shout out by the Way Talk Radio fourteen hundred
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(35:50):
there is Keith Nieve. That is a fantastic area of Michigan.
My wife is from Michigan. Spend a lot of time
up in that area, and so we think everybody who
is listening on Sue Saint Marie. You know, it's one
of those things I've been to. I've given speeches in
Michigan and Illinois in recent years, Clay, and in parts
of those states that are so red and so freedom
(36:11):
loving that, yes, you forget that there are these whole
parts of Michigan and Illinois and places like that where
the commies do not. It's just Detroit in Chicago where
the commies run the show. That's right. Upstate Michigan is
one of the crown jewels of the country, completely hidden
up there. I'm probably a lot of people who love
upstate Michigan right now are screaming at their radio. Shut up, Clay.
Don't tell them how to give them this, but it
(36:33):
is a crown jewel in the summer up there waters beautiful,
incredibly outstanding place. I've got been fortunate enough to spend
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(36:55):
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