January 11, 2022 • 37 mins
Ted Cruz torches FBI on role in Jan. 6th riot. CNN: Americans are living normal lives, dammit! Congressman Jim Jordan on the blockbuster trove of new Fauci emails. Biden's America breaks new record for covid hospitalizations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to our number two Clay
Travis Buck Sexton Show. I hope all of you are
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let you know we're gonna be joined here in a
little bit by Jim Jordan, whose House Judiciary Committee subcommittee
the Republicans there have uncovered some more emails from doctor
Fauci which make his behavior look even more suspicious. And
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then we're gonna talk with Alex Barrenson, the Twitter band
Alex Barrenson in the third hour of the program. So
that is where we are headed as we continue throughout
the course of the program. But there's a lot of
discussion last week Buck about the ridiculous January sixth attempt
to memorialize by the Democrats and really Kamala Harris coming
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out and saying it was nine to eleven and Pearl
Harbor to her was maybe this headline that got the
most attention, ironically of all of this. But one of
the questions that has lingered as the January sixth event
has been investigated in many ways for political purposes to
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allow it to continue to fester as a story while
not paying attention at all to the summer of riots
effectively that occurred all over this country is there's been
a lot of questions, I think good ones about who
are all of the people that were involved in these riots,
and in particular was the FBI. Was your own government
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involved in helping to fament in any way this incident
that occurred at the United States Capitol. So Ted Cruz
decided to go after the FBI over these issues. This
just happened in testimony in the Senate and ask whether
or not the FBI was in any way involved in
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either the rioting or potentially in violent acts as a
part of the rioting. Listen to this clip. How many
FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the events
of January sixth, Sir, I'm sure you can appreciate that.
I can't go into the specifics of sources and methods.
Did any FBI agents or confidential informants actively participate in
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the events of January sixth? Yes or any wordy six?
Yes or no? Sir? I can't. I can't answer that.
Did any FBI agents or confidential informants commit crimes of
violence on January sixth? I can't answer that, Sir. Did
any FBI agents or FBI informants actively encourage and incite
crimes of violence on January sixth? Six? Sir? I can't
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answer that. Miss Saburn, who is rayeps? Yeah, I'm aware
of the individual, Sir, I don't have the specific background
to him. Okay, Clay, So I know this game pretty
well because the CIAU of sources and methods, FBI of
sources and methods. But how hard is it and what
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are we supposed to think the real accountable accountability will
be here? How art is it for the FBI to
just come out and say that this publicly for the
purposes of restoring faith in that institution for which we
have to remember, faith has plummeted in recent years, and
rightfully so, after Andy McCabe and the Deep State and
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James Comey and the actors, the bad actors. And we've
now seen through all the reports, we have the information.
Remember Lisa Page and Peter Struck and the tech's back
and forth, all the stuff, the insurance policy against Donald Trump.
The FBI is at probably it's lowest level of public
trust in living memory, I mean at least in my
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living memory. And now it would be a time the
FBI should say, hey, just for the purposes of clarity,
we had absolutely nothing to do with this. We had
no confidential informants, no undercover agents, nobody involved in the
pay or at the behesse of the FBI on January sixth.
The fact that they won't say that, I don't even
just mean in this one hearing this one circumstance where
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she's doing the sources and methods game right, can either
confirm nor deny. I know this game shows you that
something is funky here, something doesn't smell right. There was
a guy on video. We've all seen it being pointed out,
every yelling fed fed fed, saying go into the capital.
We also have to remember that the plot against Gretchen Whitmer,
the governor of Michigan, Remember how we were Donald Trump
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was blamed for it because he was still president. Well,
then when then actually came out who was really involved.
There was someone working at the behesse of the FBI
who was pushing this along in a way that did
look like in Tratman, it did look like an FBI,
not agent as any employee of but someone working as
an informant for the FBI was pushing along a plot
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that might not have gotten very far otherwise. So where
are the answers here? We need to get them. Not
only that, we have an entire committee that is ostensibly
investigating January sixth that will not ask any of these questions.
And I think that goes to the lack of public
trust that exists in general surrounding this entire investigation and
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this entire incident. And Buck, you've done intelligence. You were
at the CIA when you hear these answers. And by
the way the answers were coming from, let me make
sure we get the woman's name right at the FBI.
That was Jill Sanborn who was testifying on behalf of
the FBI. Doesn't it raise some wildly interesting questions about
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what exactly was going on and if the media were
really doing its job This would be something that they
would almost a meeting follow up on, right, because there
are so many intriguing aspects associated with those answers. Yeah,
and also there isn't actually a sources and methods issue
unless sources and methods and intel speak are at issue,
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meaning that you know, if I ask an FBI agent,
you know, have you deployed and undercover to Clay Travis's
home in the last five days, the answer, if they haven't,
it's pretty it's pretty easy. No, we haven't done that, right, right,
And so it obviously raises suspicion here because if they
had nobody there, if they had no person working in
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any way tied to federal law enforcement, they could easily
say no, that's not us. And occasionally, whether it's you know,
the CIA, the FBI, one of the three letter agencies
will come out for the purposes of public clarity and say, look, guys,
this wasn't us or we didn't do this. Whether you
believe them or not, by the way, an entirely different issue,
but they will at least address it. It is not
enough for the FBI to try to hide behind sources
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and methods on an issue of absolute paramount public concern here.
And I think that what you have to remember is
that this is an FBI that is tainted as an
institution by what was done to Donald Trump. The people
who said, oh, there's no deep state, they would never
try a palace coup against the president from inside the
federal bureaucracy, they were wrong. The people who said that
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they tried to overthrow a duly elected president by concocting
a Russia collusion narrative that was a pure fabrication of
the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Democrat aligne media and deep
state Democrat actors within the FBI, they were right. And
we can't forget that now. We can't unlearn the things
that we've seen. And I think the other question this raises,
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at least for me, in addition to why aren't more
questions being asked about this, is what's the goal? Right?
I mean, take a step back. You well know this book,
but everybody out there listening to think about it. Why
do you usually have an informant? Right? Why is the
FBI inside let's take it outside of January sixth, or
anything political. Why might the FBI have someone working inside
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of a drug ring undercover brokenly and they're trying to
catch people the best way that they can by getting
the evidence from inside. Right, So what's the goal of
this incident? It seems like you just mentioned the guy
that we saw on tape saying, hey, why don't you
go into the capitol. It seems entirely political in nature. Right.
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In other words, when and this gets into an interesting
sort of criminal law discussion of when you are trying
to encourage and I think this is a big part
of the Governor Regretchen Whitman's story as well. When you're
trying to encourage someone to commit a crime that they
would otherwise have not done but for your actions, it
raises a lot of questions surrounding entrapment. Right, Hey, you
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are trying to create a crime that otherwise would have
never occurred. And that's what I think you wonder about
as it pertains the FBI involvement on January sixth, And
this is where you see Senator Ted Cruz I think
continues to have his best moments as when he's in
prosecutor mode. You know, when he is when he's able
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to push somebody who doesn't want to give answers on
an issue like this, and think of what the broader
context of all this would be we have clear law enforcement,
a clear law enforcement gap insecurity and failure on the
January sixth day, right during that riot, crowd control was
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as everyone understand, if they were really looking into this,
this would be the discussion. That's the number one question
that would be a huge part of this. Because everyone
else who was involved has already been tracked down by
the FBI. They're prosecuting them. There's not a lessons learned from, Hey,
we got this guy who broke a window in the
Capitol who shouldn't be there other than okay, that person
is now facing punishment and as we've discussed here, in
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some cases facing solitary confinement for months on end for
nonviolent crimes. But there was a failure of preparation that
day that is suspect in how inept it was. Right,
We've seen the video of what looks like the rioters
being let in. You know, they're just kind of being
told they moved the barricades. I've seen the video many times.
You'd probably folks listening and seeing it. Tucker's show has
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shown it many times. So that's one part of the conversation.
But then also there seems to be no interest in
finding the pipe bomb. They would be pipe bomber, the
guy who left pipe bombs outside DNC and RNC headquarters.
Very little interest in this Ray Epps character who keeps
coming up in the video of him. And also the
possibility that if the FBI had people who were in
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any way involved in this. You know, what was the hugestinction?
How did this go bad? It went bad because some people?
How did it become a riot and not a protest?
In part? Some people decided that they were going to
actually breach the capital and go inside, and that's wrong
and that was illegal. But where did that idea start?
Where did it come from? Who was pushing it? We
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should know that that should be something that is public
record now. And I think it also goes to Clay
why we don't have all the footage release from Capitol
Hill that's out there. There are a lot of things
they don't want to talk about. All they want to
make sure is that all Trump voters are insurrectionist and
Donald Trump can't run again. That's really what this is about.
It was their fevered dream. This was the dream of
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the left wing industry. Was they wanted Trump to do
something that they found to be so outside the bounds
of acceptable democratic behavior, and up to January sixth, there
had really not been anything. And in fact, and I've
been arguing this for a long time, and I think
you would agree, but for COVID, Trump would have won
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against Joe Biden and it wouldn't have been remotely close.
So they got their meteor, so to speak, streaking across
the Knights guy that struck the United States political fabric.
But it was totally something that Trump was in no
way responsible for. And then they tried to blame him
for everything associated with COVID, and that was enough to
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pry away independent suburban women voters and independent voters in
the suburbs overall. And January sixth is their attempt to
ensure that he never runs again, and they're trying to
continue to blow that up as best they can without
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Travis and Buck Sexton. Sure we have Jim Jordan, Congressman
from Ohio joining us in just a few minutes. Talk
about some fauci emails. Seems like the not so good
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Doctor may be untruthful, may have been on truth Flush's
including perhaps under oath about Wuhan Institute of Virology, Gain
of Function Research, and a whole lot more. We'll talk
to about that, and don't forget Alex Barrenson gonna have
some Barrens in truth bombs dropping at three oh five
Eastern time when Clay and I have on the author
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of pandemia. So you can either you know, listen to
programs like this one, for example, listen to Clay and
back here. Sorry that was the third person, but you
know what I mean, listen to us and trying to
just look at what's really going on and be normal.
As I was saying to Clay, just just be cool,
right like we're figuring stuff out. Just be normal. Just
be normal everybody. As we're trying, you're trying to get
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back to normal life, trying to look at things as
they are. We're not when I'm in the hysterics and
craziness and I just want to be clear. Over at CNET,
it seems in terms of their coverage, but sometimes they
even say it out loud. They are very upset at
the notion that, like this audience is gonna just be normal,
like just gonna roll about their day, live their lives,
not be like, oh my gosh, I need to wear
three masks and maybe goggles and I'm gonna wear gloves,
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you know, all the double mask like Walinski did it
or Eddard testimony today. I mean, she wasn't double masking
a few weeks ago. Anyone who doesn't see this for
the stupidity and the ostentatious virtue signaling that it is,
I don't know what to say. At some point about
Fauci Buck, you tweeted about this too, taking his mask
off to answer questions and then putting it back on.
Otherwise he takes the virus seriously. He is the absolute worst,
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I mean, the absolutely less. But anyway, they're they're very
upset at the notion. I think there's there's the old
line about like a fundamentalist is somebody who lives in
the constant fear that someone somewhere is enjoying their life,
or some variations of the quote CNN lives in the
constant fear that some of you listening to this right now,
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somewhere across the country are enjoying your lives and living
lives of purpose and not abject fear because of the
fauci eite apparatus. Here is one of their own over
at CNN saying people are just living their lives. A
lot of the media does seem when I look at
it and then travel the country to be very touch
with people. I mean, if you travel the country, people
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are not really living in the same bubble that it
seems that most of the media is messaging toward. And
so yeah, and so I think this is an issue
because if people are tuning out what's going on on
cable news, if we're not messaging toward the general population,
you know, they're just you know, ignoring everything and living
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their lives. And we're not really getting the perfect that's perfect.
They're just they're ignorings of cable news and living their lives. Yes,
do that, hang out with us and ignore those clowns,
because we're telling you live your lives. Yeah, And I
think it's also reflective, and this is one of the
things that concerns me a little bit, to the extent
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that I'm concerned about it. Buck, the Supreme Court justices
all live on the East Coast, and I talk to
people constantly, and I know you've lived this example, but Buck,
the difference between the way people are leaving living on
the East and West Coast and the way that they
are living in the middle part of the country. Oftentimes
you think whatever is going on around you is representative
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of what the larger universe is. I mean, you came
on the road from New York, for instance, and went
to a college football game, no masks anywhere. Everybody's leaving
living a completely normal life. You were in Florida. You
go back to New York, and it's a totally different
universe in which in which people are living. Just as
I was trying to learn about the latest COVID data,
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I was also seeing apparently it was a good night
for bulldogs. And I love bulldogs as actual pets, but
apparently there's a mascot for a certain team that had
a good night Georgia Georgia. Buck broke a forty one
year non tidal streak and took down the Alabama Crimson
Tide last night. Bigwen Wow. Interesting, not the Tide is
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not rolling so much. Tide is not rolling right now though.
They'll be the number one team in the country next year.
And Georgia had been close for many, many years since
nineteen eighty to winning a national championship. They got it done,
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plan Buck walking back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
roll through the Tuesday edition of the program. We've got
Congressman Jim Jordan on with us right now, and Congressman
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you guys, you've got doctor Fauci testifying on Capitol Hill today,
and you guys have uncovered some more interesting emails from
Fauci relating to what exactly went on with the Wuhan
virology lab and how COVID emerged. What can you tell
us about the emails? Then the letter that you sent
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today from the get go, From the get go, it
looks like doctor Fauci, doctor Collins knew this thing likely
came from a lab, and then they went into overdrive
to cover their backside and make sure the country did
not know that we were able to We had the
staffing who's able to go in and view these emails
in camera because what we had got the AFOYA we're
all redacted, but never forget play that. On January thirty first,
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twenty twenty, there's an email that comes at ten thirty
pm at night to doctor Fauchi. The email sales virus
looks engineered, virus not consistent with evolutionary theory. Comes from
doctor Christian Anderson, one of the virologies who's been getting
your tax money and grand dollars over the years. Virus
not consistent with evolutionary theory. Virus looks engineered. Ten thirty
two pm, January thirty first, twenty twenty. And that's a
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fancy way of saying this thing came from a lab.
And doctor Fauchi starts emailing people at two in the morning, because,
you know, starting this process in place to say we
don't want that information out there. There's a conference call
the next day, and that conference call it's Fauchi, Collins
and eleven virologists from around the world who also been
getting your tax dollars and your listeners tax dollars over
the years. And what we finally got were the emails
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that happened on that as a result of that conference call,
where I think they were frankly getting their stories straight,
because now that we've seen the unredacted emails, they all
say that. One of them says, I just can't figure
how this thing gets accomplished in nature, so the other one,
the other one says, I really can't think any plausible
natural scenario. So these guys understood this thing had to
come from a lab, but they spend the next several
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months trying to sit downplay that. And we got other
emails that talk about that this thing, oh no, it
came in nature, didn't actually, So how these guys switched
in that short a ton is amazing to me. But
I think it just shows that they were more concerned
about covering their backside. And frankly, we have one that says,
we don't want to upset, we don't want to do
any potential harm to science or international harmony. That's an
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email from Collins to Fauci. So it's almost like they
were more concerned about the Chinese people's feelings, the Chinese
government's feelings, than they were getting the truth to the
American people. Congressman Jordan, it's buck I want to know
what you think should be done about all of this.
I Fauci today was getting grilled by Senator Ran paul
A bit on this same issue of coordinating to crush
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epidemiologists in the early days who weren't going along with
the party line, whether it was about Wuhan or any
number of other things. By the way that there was
bureaucratic in fighting, I think that's really Fauci's true skill
as being a bureaucratic infighter and somebody who can lay
the old DC ambush on folks. And I want to
know what you think should be done about this? Is
we continue to get this information, we're talking about these emails. Now,
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where should we go and what does accountability or change
look like as a result of these revelations. Well, well,
what one thing that should certainly happen is we should
not be using American tax dollars to fund gain a
function research That should be just like that should be
prohibited period. That needs happened. Second, the power that Collins
and Fauci have Fauci still has Collins has left the government,
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thank goodness, but the power that they have because they
control so much money. You know what the budget is
to NIH and CDC. It's fifty six billion dollars a year,
and they're handing out some of that money to these virologists.
These virologists who say, on February first, on this conference call,
they say this thing came from a lab in different words,
and then four days later their story changes, and then
they write an article. Seventeen days later February and teeth
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they write an article that they first give to Fauci
to edit before it appears in Nature Medicine magazine. So
the eleven people on that call then are authors of
this article that goes in Nature's Medicine magazine, and they
change their position and they say, no, no no, no, it
didn't come from a lab at all. So it changed
in that short of time. What did Fauci and Collins
tell these guys and did they pass any of this information?
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Did Fauchier Collins pass any of this information to President
Trump and his team? This is something the President of
United Stakes needs to know. If it came from a
lab that we funded, they were doing gain a function research,
the President of United States, the Commander chief, needs to
know that, particularly when the country's China. Did they share
it with him, because it sure looks like they didn't.
They went into complete cover their backside mode. So yeah,
they need to be held accountable. And what needs to happen,
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certainly as a law needs to change is we should
not be even thinking about funding gain A function research,
Collressman Jordan, When are there going to be consequences for
doctor Fauci? I mean, he's the highest paid government employee
in the entire country. As you have pointed out rightly,
our tax dollars have gone to subsidize gain A function
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research that may well have led and helped to a bet.
Certainly it appears the data reflects this, the release of
COVID across the world and all of the impact that
has had since. Yet Fauci is making over four hundred
thousand dollars a year. I believe he's the highest paid
governmental employee in the entire country, which is crazy, and
there seemed to be zero consequences for him. How does
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that change? When is he going to bear any consequences? Well,
I think it does change to in fact, the American
people put us back in control of the Congress, because
then we'll be able to bring Fauchie in and we'll
be able to get these documents, and frankly, we'll be
able to subpoena to the people. He was those eleven
of virologists on that call. We'll be able to subpoene
to some of those individuals and ask them the tough questions.
So it begins to change, I think when we get
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back in control. But I keep coming back to this
a clay, the influence these guys have. There's one email
that doctor Collins, Francis Collins sends to doctor Fauci and
he said, I hope the Nature Medicine article would settle
this debate about whether this thing started. And then the
very next sentence and that email says, anything more we
can do. So the keyword in there is more. In
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other words, they were the ones behind getting these virologists
on the outside to write the article that said what
Fauchi and Collins wanted it to say. And the reason
that all happens, is my guest, is is because these
guys want the money. They want the money to come
from Fauchi and Collins, so they're willing to write an
article that they disagreed with. As evidence by what they
said in their emails on that initial conference call on
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February first, twenty twenty. So yeah, we gotta be able
to bring him in, but the Democrats wont They won't
even bring him in for a hearing in front of
the House anymore. In the Senate they can get Fauchian
and these guys in like they did today, but in
the House they would't have been let him come in
for a hearing. In fact, there's a briefing later this
afternoon we're getting on the Coronavirus Select Committee. It's private.
The American people don't even get to see what's happening.
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Will Lynsky's going to brief members of that of our
committee privately hide it from the American people, which is
just completely wrong. Speaking to Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio,
you know, Congressman, right before you came on, we were
talking about the questioning of a senior FBI official on
Capitol Hill or via zoom but during a hearing by
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Senator Ted Cruz basically saying, look, was there any FBI
involvement in putting putting informants or other actors in the
crowds on January sixth? What do you make of all that?
I mean, do you is this an area that concerns you,
and how could we get answers, especially if going forward,
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perhaps we have a majority in the House. Yeah, well right,
we need we need, we needed an answer to that
because we know it's happened before. We know in a
situation in Michigan, we know that there were FBI informants
in part of that that that effort they're regarding Governor
Whitmer there, So we know what's happened before. And then
of course we've all seen some of the video that
one of my colleagues actually brought up to when we
had Merrit Garland, the Attorney General in front of the
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Judiciary Committee. Thomas Matthew brought it up. Tucker Carlson has
played on this show regarding this individual name Ray Apps
and the way he conducted himself. So I think it's
a fair question. I would like some answers. There are
lots of things we need answers. For examples, today, Buck,
we just find out today that, oh, it was exactly
like we talked about on your show a few months ago,
the school boards issue and the and the Justice Department
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targeting mom's, the dads who have the audacity to show
up at a schoolboard meeting. It didn't start with the
school Boards Association writing the letter to the government. It
was the other way around. They just used that letter
as the pretext. We now have the story with the
emails from Secretary of Education Cardona and these the head
of the school Boards Association, so we know this kind
of stuff that's happened before. It's a fair question that
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Senator Cruz asked, let's hope we can get some answers
at some point. Why do you think they're having a
new counter terrorism domestic terrorism focused unit formed within the
Department of Justice. Congressman, it's this whole weaponization. It's a
great question, Buck, It's this whole weaponization of government against
the people. Mean, the idea that we had a whistleblower
come forward and say they're asked putting a designation on
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moms and dads who are going to school board meetings
speaking out against a crazy crke curriculum. The idea that
there's a designation, a threat tag put on parents, and
now we have a domestic terrorism unit being formed at
the Department of Justice to go after Americans is frightening
when you couple it with everything we've seen over the
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last few years, with what the FBI did to President
Trump's campaign, with what they're doing to school boards, with
what we now learned today, with what the Education Department
Secretary of Education did that it started with him and
it was pretextable to start this whole process to go
after parents. It is frightening and it needs to stop.
And that's why we've called for the Attorney General to
stop that. We've called for the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee,
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mister Nadder, to bring Merritt Garland back in to answer
questions because we think he completely misled the country when
you're testified in October. Last question for you, Congressman, you,
I'm sure have seen twenty six Democratic House members have
decided not to run for reelection. We're still always away.
You talked about the mid terms and there importance and
holding Fauci accountable. What would you set the over under
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at right now? How confident are you that Democrats are
going to lose the House Republicans are going to take
it back in the mid terms. Well, I mean, look,
you know your backgrounds in sports like like minus play,
you're never over confident, But I am confident. I mean,
think about the Democrats message particularly what they're saying in
big cities right now, and big cities Democrats are saying,
we won't let your kids go to school. We're gonna
make it, We're gonna let bad guys roam the streets,
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and we're also going to let illegal immigrants votes. I mean,
that is the three things that Democrat Party is now
for controlled by the leftist that control that party. So
I think the American people are saying, we're fed up
with that. And then you couple that with inflation, the
bordering climate, everything else, and then the idea that they're
now weaponizing government to go against their political enemies. If
we don't take it back, I would be shocked. So
I think there's a there's a great chance we're going
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to be in control. And when we are, we're going
to do the investigations that need to be done, and
we're going to pass the legislation that we told the
American people we were going to pass. Thanks for taking
the time, Congressman Jim Jordan. Make sure you follow him
on Twitter, you watch him a lot on Fox News,
you can see him on Capitol Hill. Thanks you bet,
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hundred two eight two two eight eight two And just
a reminder, we have author of Pandemia, the man whose
sub stack is the bane of doctor Fauci's existence, Alex
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Barnson will be with us in just a few moments,
former New York Times reporter from a long time ago,
and a guy who has been right so much. If
you've been listening to this show, you're just it's mind blowing.
And then you add into it that he's been kicked
off social media all over the place. They never bring
him back, Clays and amazing. They never bring him back
and say we're sorry, you were right. We're idiots, we're libs. Well,
(31:56):
what can you do? They never do that, And you
got some pretty stunning new data that we're going to
bring in the conversation with Alex that I wanted you
to tell everybody because something's not adding up here. Yeah,
we just hit The Wall Street Journal just reported that
we hit a new COVID hospitalization record and average of
one hundred and forty thousand, five hundred and seventy six patients.
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That is higher than it has ever been for COVID
in in since March of twenty twenty. And so I
think a lot of people out there when they hear
this information, now there is discussion, and we should continue
to have this discussion surrounding the fact that many people
who are hospitalized I'm putting it in quotation marks for
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COVID are actually not there because of COVID. They're there
because they are they have COVID if they find out
when they go there. For instance, if you go in
to have a baby and you are soon to be
delivering a baby and they find out that you have COVID,
you would be listed as a COVID hospitalized patient, even
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though COVID is not the reason you're in the hospital.
And having said that the data has been the same
in the way that we count COVID hospitalizations. We haven't
changed the method by which we do that. So the
fact that we are hitting a new all time high
of one hundred and forty thousand, five hundred and seventy
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six average COVID patients reflects that the vaccines to a
large extent, are not stopping, as we know, the spread
of COVID in any kind of significant way. In fact,
Joe Biden, now one year into his presidency, when he
promised that he was going to shut down COVID, he
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basically ran his entire presidential campaign on that idea well bucked.
The numbers reflect that there are now one hundred and
forty five hundred and seventy six people, the most ever
hospitalized with COVID in this country, and unfortunately a lot
of those people are going to Based on the data
in the past, you would think that deaths are going
(34:04):
to continue to rise, because deaths tend to follow by
two or three or four weeks the overall peaks in
the number of cases. Hopefully it won't be as high
this time as it was in the summer of last year,
but certainly this is not ideal and alarming data that
I think would stun a lot of people. If we
had said this with Alex Barrenson buck back in June
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or July, people would have told us we were crazy,
that we were going to set all time COVID hospitalization
records in January of twenty twenty two. And I think
it's very important to note that right now, the official
word from the CDC on this, and this could be true,
this is the official word right now, is that of
those in the hospital, a small number by percentage are vaccinated,
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and a even small or vanishingly small number, you know,
something along lines of one percent are dying who are vaccinated.
That's what they tell us. That is something we're going
to need to dig into pretty substantially. I think one
area where you're going to see a lot of messing
with the numbers to service the narrative is when they
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say vaccinated. Remember that this keeps changing all the time.
Are we are we now going to consider somebody who
is unboosted to not be in the fully vaccinated category?
How is that going to play into the data? Essentially,
You've got the Fiser CEO, you know, I just saw
they had a copyright claim on that video. They're pulling
it down from places on the internet. Now really, yeah, yeah,
(35:36):
a copyright class I mean that, first of all, is
the essence of newsworthy, Like, I can't believe they would
be trying to blow I can't believe you'd be trying
to pull back you know what's going I saw this
was on Jesse Kelly's Twitter account, which by the way,
is a source of great amusement for many of us
who followed Jesse and and so it looks like they're
they're trying to get this out of the public view
that you have the CEO of Fiser saying two shots
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doesn't do very much at all for protection from infection.
It's pretty good for now is something they said something
like that against hospitalization and death? Does that mean that
we're going to find out a lot of the people
who are hospitalized, and maybe a good percentage unfortunately of
those who are hospitalized and actually succumb to the virus
are vaccinated but not boosted. You know, this is where
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I know it's all kind of in mesh together, and
there's a lot of parsing have to do here, folks.
But keep in mind they've been lying to you about
this stuff for a long time. So I think it's
only fair to say we should approach some of this
with some skepticism. What do you say, Clay, No doubt
at all. And I'm actually fascinated to see what the
latest data is from Alex Berenson. I mean, he has
been so far ahead in terms of analyzing the data
(36:41):
and letting us know. Remember when everybody was saying, oh,
COVID's over in June and July, we said he was
the prince of darkness, riding in to spoil everybody's parade,
and he ended up one hundred percent right. I'm just
waiting for the day when finally they have Fauci and
they grab him and he says, I would have gotten
away with it if it wasn't for that Barrenson coming up.
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the Republicans there have uncovered some more emails from doctor
Fauci which make his behavior look even more suspicious. And
(00:46):
then we're gonna talk with Alex Barrenson, the Twitter band
Alex Barrenson in the third hour of the program. So
that is where we are headed as we continue throughout
the course of the program. But there's a lot of
discussion last week Buck about the ridiculous January sixth attempt
to memorialize by the Democrats and really Kamala Harris coming
(01:09):
out and saying it was nine to eleven and Pearl
Harbor to her was maybe this headline that got the
most attention, ironically of all of this. But one of
the questions that has lingered as the January sixth event
has been investigated in many ways for political purposes to
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allow it to continue to fester as a story while
not paying attention at all to the summer of riots
effectively that occurred all over this country is there's been
a lot of questions, I think good ones about who
are all of the people that were involved in these riots,
and in particular was the FBI. Was your own government
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involved in helping to fament in any way this incident
that occurred at the United States Capitol. So Ted Cruz
decided to go after the FBI over these issues. This
just happened in testimony in the Senate and ask whether
or not the FBI was in any way involved in
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either the rioting or potentially in violent acts as a
part of the rioting. Listen to this clip. How many
FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the events
of January sixth, Sir, I'm sure you can appreciate that.
I can't go into the specifics of sources and methods.
Did any FBI agents or confidential informants actively participate in
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the events of January sixth? Yes or any wordy six?
Yes or no? Sir? I can't. I can't answer that.
Did any FBI agents or confidential informants commit crimes of
violence on January sixth? I can't answer that, Sir. Did
any FBI agents or FBI informants actively encourage and incite
crimes of violence on January sixth? Six? Sir? I can't
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answer that. Miss Saburn, who is rayeps? Yeah, I'm aware
of the individual, Sir, I don't have the specific background
to him. Okay, Clay, So I know this game pretty
well because the CIAU of sources and methods, FBI of
sources and methods. But how hard is it and what
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are we supposed to think the real accountable accountability will
be here? How art is it for the FBI to
just come out and say that this publicly for the
purposes of restoring faith in that institution for which we
have to remember, faith has plummeted in recent years, and
rightfully so, after Andy McCabe and the Deep State and
(03:43):
James Comey and the actors, the bad actors. And we've
now seen through all the reports, we have the information.
Remember Lisa Page and Peter Struck and the tech's back
and forth, all the stuff, the insurance policy against Donald Trump.
The FBI is at probably it's lowest level of public
trust in living memory, I mean at least in my
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living memory. And now it would be a time the
FBI should say, hey, just for the purposes of clarity,
we had absolutely nothing to do with this. We had
no confidential informants, no undercover agents, nobody involved in the
pay or at the behesse of the FBI on January sixth.
The fact that they won't say that, I don't even
just mean in this one hearing this one circumstance where
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she's doing the sources and methods game right, can either
confirm nor deny. I know this game shows you that
something is funky here, something doesn't smell right. There was
a guy on video. We've all seen it being pointed out,
every yelling fed fed fed, saying go into the capital.
We also have to remember that the plot against Gretchen Whitmer,
the governor of Michigan, Remember how we were Donald Trump
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was blamed for it because he was still president. Well,
then when then actually came out who was really involved.
There was someone working at the behesse of the FBI
who was pushing this along in a way that did
look like in Tratman, it did look like an FBI,
not agent as any employee of but someone working as
an informant for the FBI was pushing along a plot
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that might not have gotten very far otherwise. So where
are the answers here? We need to get them. Not
only that, we have an entire committee that is ostensibly
investigating January sixth that will not ask any of these questions.
And I think that goes to the lack of public
trust that exists in general surrounding this entire investigation and
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this entire incident. And Buck, you've done intelligence. You were
at the CIA when you hear these answers. And by
the way the answers were coming from, let me make
sure we get the woman's name right at the FBI.
That was Jill Sanborn who was testifying on behalf of
the FBI. Doesn't it raise some wildly interesting questions about
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what exactly was going on and if the media were
really doing its job This would be something that they
would almost a meeting follow up on, right, because there
are so many intriguing aspects associated with those answers. Yeah,
and also there isn't actually a sources and methods issue
unless sources and methods and intel speak are at issue,
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meaning that you know, if I ask an FBI agent,
you know, have you deployed and undercover to Clay Travis's
home in the last five days, the answer, if they haven't,
it's pretty it's pretty easy. No, we haven't done that, right, right,
And so it obviously raises suspicion here because if they
had nobody there, if they had no person working in
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any way tied to federal law enforcement, they could easily
say no, that's not us. And occasionally, whether it's you know,
the CIA, the FBI, one of the three letter agencies
will come out for the purposes of public clarity and say, look, guys,
this wasn't us or we didn't do this. Whether you
believe them or not, by the way, an entirely different issue,
but they will at least address it. It is not
enough for the FBI to try to hide behind sources
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and methods on an issue of absolute paramount public concern here.
And I think that what you have to remember is
that this is an FBI that is tainted as an
institution by what was done to Donald Trump. The people
who said, oh, there's no deep state, they would never
try a palace coup against the president from inside the
federal bureaucracy, they were wrong. The people who said that
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they tried to overthrow a duly elected president by concocting
a Russia collusion narrative that was a pure fabrication of
the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Democrat aligne media and deep
state Democrat actors within the FBI, they were right. And
we can't forget that now. We can't unlearn the things
that we've seen. And I think the other question this raises,
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at least for me, in addition to why aren't more
questions being asked about this, is what's the goal? Right?
I mean, take a step back. You well know this book,
but everybody out there listening to think about it. Why
do you usually have an informant? Right? Why is the
FBI inside let's take it outside of January sixth, or
anything political. Why might the FBI have someone working inside
(08:04):
of a drug ring undercover brokenly and they're trying to
catch people the best way that they can by getting
the evidence from inside. Right, So what's the goal of
this incident? It seems like you just mentioned the guy
that we saw on tape saying, hey, why don't you
go into the capitol. It seems entirely political in nature. Right.
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In other words, when and this gets into an interesting
sort of criminal law discussion of when you are trying
to encourage and I think this is a big part
of the Governor Regretchen Whitman's story as well. When you're
trying to encourage someone to commit a crime that they
would otherwise have not done but for your actions, it
raises a lot of questions surrounding entrapment. Right, Hey, you
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are trying to create a crime that otherwise would have
never occurred. And that's what I think you wonder about
as it pertains the FBI involvement on January sixth, And
this is where you see Senator Ted Cruz I think
continues to have his best moments as when he's in
prosecutor mode. You know, when he is when he's able
(09:10):
to push somebody who doesn't want to give answers on
an issue like this, and think of what the broader
context of all this would be we have clear law enforcement,
a clear law enforcement gap insecurity and failure on the
January sixth day, right during that riot, crowd control was
(09:31):
as everyone understand, if they were really looking into this,
this would be the discussion. That's the number one question
that would be a huge part of this. Because everyone
else who was involved has already been tracked down by
the FBI. They're prosecuting them. There's not a lessons learned from, Hey,
we got this guy who broke a window in the
Capitol who shouldn't be there other than okay, that person
is now facing punishment and as we've discussed here, in
(09:51):
some cases facing solitary confinement for months on end for
nonviolent crimes. But there was a failure of preparation that
day that is suspect in how inept it was. Right,
We've seen the video of what looks like the rioters
being let in. You know, they're just kind of being
told they moved the barricades. I've seen the video many times.
You'd probably folks listening and seeing it. Tucker's show has
(10:13):
shown it many times. So that's one part of the conversation.
But then also there seems to be no interest in
finding the pipe bomb. They would be pipe bomber, the
guy who left pipe bombs outside DNC and RNC headquarters.
Very little interest in this Ray Epps character who keeps
coming up in the video of him. And also the
possibility that if the FBI had people who were in
(10:34):
any way involved in this. You know, what was the hugestinction?
How did this go bad? It went bad because some people?
How did it become a riot and not a protest?
In part? Some people decided that they were going to
actually breach the capital and go inside, and that's wrong
and that was illegal. But where did that idea start?
Where did it come from? Who was pushing it? We
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should know that that should be something that is public
record now. And I think it also goes to Clay
why we don't have all the footage release from Capitol
Hill that's out there. There are a lot of things
they don't want to talk about. All they want to
make sure is that all Trump voters are insurrectionist and
Donald Trump can't run again. That's really what this is about.
It was their fevered dream. This was the dream of
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the left wing industry. Was they wanted Trump to do
something that they found to be so outside the bounds
of acceptable democratic behavior, and up to January sixth, there
had really not been anything. And in fact, and I've
been arguing this for a long time, and I think
you would agree, but for COVID, Trump would have won
(11:38):
against Joe Biden and it wouldn't have been remotely close.
So they got their meteor, so to speak, streaking across
the Knights guy that struck the United States political fabric.
But it was totally something that Trump was in no
way responsible for. And then they tried to blame him
for everything associated with COVID, and that was enough to
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pry away independent suburban women voters and independent voters in
the suburbs overall. And January sixth is their attempt to
ensure that he never runs again, and they're trying to
continue to blow that up as best they can without
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from Ohio joining us in just a few minutes. Talk
about some fauci emails. Seems like the not so good
(13:47):
Doctor may be untruthful, may have been on truth Flush's
including perhaps under oath about Wuhan Institute of Virology, Gain
of Function Research, and a whole lot more. We'll talk
to about that, and don't forget Alex Barrenson gonna have
some Barrens in truth bombs dropping at three oh five
Eastern time when Clay and I have on the author
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of pandemia. So you can either you know, listen to
programs like this one, for example, listen to Clay and
back here. Sorry that was the third person, but you
know what I mean, listen to us and trying to
just look at what's really going on and be normal.
As I was saying to Clay, just just be cool,
right like we're figuring stuff out. Just be normal. Just
be normal everybody. As we're trying, you're trying to get
(14:30):
back to normal life, trying to look at things as
they are. We're not when I'm in the hysterics and
craziness and I just want to be clear. Over at CNET,
it seems in terms of their coverage, but sometimes they
even say it out loud. They are very upset at
the notion that, like this audience is gonna just be normal,
like just gonna roll about their day, live their lives,
not be like, oh my gosh, I need to wear
three masks and maybe goggles and I'm gonna wear gloves,
(14:54):
you know, all the double mask like Walinski did it
or Eddard testimony today. I mean, she wasn't double masking
a few weeks ago. Anyone who doesn't see this for
the stupidity and the ostentatious virtue signaling that it is,
I don't know what to say. At some point about
Fauci Buck, you tweeted about this too, taking his mask
off to answer questions and then putting it back on.
Otherwise he takes the virus seriously. He is the absolute worst,
(15:20):
I mean, the absolutely less. But anyway, they're they're very
upset at the notion. I think there's there's the old
line about like a fundamentalist is somebody who lives in
the constant fear that someone somewhere is enjoying their life,
or some variations of the quote CNN lives in the
constant fear that some of you listening to this right now,
(15:41):
somewhere across the country are enjoying your lives and living
lives of purpose and not abject fear because of the
fauci eite apparatus. Here is one of their own over
at CNN saying people are just living their lives. A
lot of the media does seem when I look at
it and then travel the country to be very touch
with people. I mean, if you travel the country, people
(16:02):
are not really living in the same bubble that it
seems that most of the media is messaging toward. And
so yeah, and so I think this is an issue
because if people are tuning out what's going on on
cable news, if we're not messaging toward the general population,
you know, they're just you know, ignoring everything and living
(16:25):
their lives. And we're not really getting the perfect that's perfect.
They're just they're ignorings of cable news and living their lives. Yes,
do that, hang out with us and ignore those clowns,
because we're telling you live your lives. Yeah, And I
think it's also reflective, and this is one of the
things that concerns me a little bit, to the extent
(16:47):
that I'm concerned about it. Buck, the Supreme Court justices
all live on the East Coast, and I talk to
people constantly, and I know you've lived this example, but Buck,
the difference between the way people are leaving living on
the East and West Coast and the way that they
are living in the middle part of the country. Oftentimes
you think whatever is going on around you is representative
(17:10):
of what the larger universe is. I mean, you came
on the road from New York, for instance, and went
to a college football game, no masks anywhere. Everybody's leaving
living a completely normal life. You were in Florida. You
go back to New York, and it's a totally different
universe in which in which people are living. Just as
I was trying to learn about the latest COVID data,
(17:30):
I was also seeing apparently it was a good night
for bulldogs. And I love bulldogs as actual pets, but
apparently there's a mascot for a certain team that had
a good night Georgia Georgia. Buck broke a forty one
year non tidal streak and took down the Alabama Crimson
Tide last night. Bigwen Wow. Interesting, not the Tide is
(17:52):
not rolling so much. Tide is not rolling right now though.
They'll be the number one team in the country next year.
And Georgia had been close for many, many years since
nineteen eighty to winning a national championship. They got it done,
big audience last night. I imagine Jim Jordan up with
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
roll through the Tuesday edition of the program. We've got
Congressman Jim Jordan on with us right now, and Congressman
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you guys, you've got doctor Fauci testifying on Capitol Hill today,
and you guys have uncovered some more interesting emails from
Fauci relating to what exactly went on with the Wuhan
virology lab and how COVID emerged. What can you tell
us about the emails? Then the letter that you sent
(19:41):
today from the get go, From the get go, it
looks like doctor Fauci, doctor Collins knew this thing likely
came from a lab, and then they went into overdrive
to cover their backside and make sure the country did
not know that we were able to We had the
staffing who's able to go in and view these emails
in camera because what we had got the AFOYA we're
all redacted, but never forget play that. On January thirty first,
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twenty twenty, there's an email that comes at ten thirty
pm at night to doctor Fauchi. The email sales virus
looks engineered, virus not consistent with evolutionary theory. Comes from
doctor Christian Anderson, one of the virologies who's been getting
your tax money and grand dollars over the years. Virus
not consistent with evolutionary theory. Virus looks engineered. Ten thirty
two pm, January thirty first, twenty twenty. And that's a
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fancy way of saying this thing came from a lab.
And doctor Fauchi starts emailing people at two in the morning, because,
you know, starting this process in place to say we
don't want that information out there. There's a conference call
the next day, and that conference call it's Fauchi, Collins
and eleven virologists from around the world who also been
getting your tax dollars and your listeners tax dollars over
the years. And what we finally got were the emails
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that happened on that as a result of that conference call,
where I think they were frankly getting their stories straight,
because now that we've seen the unredacted emails, they all
say that. One of them says, I just can't figure
how this thing gets accomplished in nature, so the other one,
the other one says, I really can't think any plausible
natural scenario. So these guys understood this thing had to
come from a lab, but they spend the next several
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months trying to sit downplay that. And we got other
emails that talk about that this thing, oh no, it
came in nature, didn't actually, So how these guys switched
in that short a ton is amazing to me. But
I think it just shows that they were more concerned
about covering their backside. And frankly, we have one that says,
we don't want to upset, we don't want to do
any potential harm to science or international harmony. That's an
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email from Collins to Fauci. So it's almost like they
were more concerned about the Chinese people's feelings, the Chinese
government's feelings, than they were getting the truth to the
American people. Congressman Jordan, it's buck I want to know
what you think should be done about all of this.
I Fauci today was getting grilled by Senator Ran paul
A bit on this same issue of coordinating to crush
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epidemiologists in the early days who weren't going along with
the party line, whether it was about Wuhan or any
number of other things. By the way that there was
bureaucratic in fighting, I think that's really Fauci's true skill
as being a bureaucratic infighter and somebody who can lay
the old DC ambush on folks. And I want to
know what you think should be done about this? Is
we continue to get this information, we're talking about these emails. Now,
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where should we go and what does accountability or change
look like as a result of these revelations. Well, well,
what one thing that should certainly happen is we should
not be using American tax dollars to fund gain a
function research That should be just like that should be
prohibited period. That needs happened. Second, the power that Collins
and Fauci have Fauci still has Collins has left the government,
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thank goodness, but the power that they have because they
control so much money. You know what the budget is
to NIH and CDC. It's fifty six billion dollars a year,
and they're handing out some of that money to these virologists.
These virologists who say, on February first, on this conference call,
they say this thing came from a lab in different words,
and then four days later their story changes, and then
they write an article. Seventeen days later February and teeth
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they write an article that they first give to Fauci
to edit before it appears in Nature Medicine magazine. So
the eleven people on that call then are authors of
this article that goes in Nature's Medicine magazine, and they
change their position and they say, no, no no, no, it
didn't come from a lab at all. So it changed
in that short of time. What did Fauci and Collins
tell these guys and did they pass any of this information?
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Did Fauchier Collins pass any of this information to President
Trump and his team? This is something the President of
United Stakes needs to know. If it came from a
lab that we funded, they were doing gain a function research,
the President of United States, the Commander chief, needs to
know that, particularly when the country's China. Did they share
it with him, because it sure looks like they didn't.
They went into complete cover their backside mode. So yeah,
they need to be held accountable. And what needs to happen,
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certainly as a law needs to change is we should
not be even thinking about funding gain A function research,
Collressman Jordan, When are there going to be consequences for
doctor Fauci? I mean, he's the highest paid government employee
in the entire country. As you have pointed out rightly,
our tax dollars have gone to subsidize gain A function
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research that may well have led and helped to a bet.
Certainly it appears the data reflects this, the release of
COVID across the world and all of the impact that
has had since. Yet Fauci is making over four hundred
thousand dollars a year. I believe he's the highest paid
governmental employee in the entire country, which is crazy, and
there seemed to be zero consequences for him. How does
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that change? When is he going to bear any consequences? Well,
I think it does change to in fact, the American
people put us back in control of the Congress, because
then we'll be able to bring Fauchie in and we'll
be able to get these documents, and frankly, we'll be
able to subpoena to the people. He was those eleven
of virologists on that call. We'll be able to subpoene
to some of those individuals and ask them the tough questions.
So it begins to change, I think when we get
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back in control. But I keep coming back to this
a clay, the influence these guys have. There's one email
that doctor Collins, Francis Collins sends to doctor Fauci and
he said, I hope the Nature Medicine article would settle
this debate about whether this thing started. And then the
very next sentence and that email says, anything more we
can do. So the keyword in there is more. In
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other words, they were the ones behind getting these virologists
on the outside to write the article that said what
Fauchi and Collins wanted it to say. And the reason
that all happens, is my guest, is is because these
guys want the money. They want the money to come
from Fauchi and Collins, so they're willing to write an
article that they disagreed with. As evidence by what they
said in their emails on that initial conference call on
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February first, twenty twenty. So yeah, we gotta be able
to bring him in, but the Democrats wont They won't
even bring him in for a hearing in front of
the House anymore. In the Senate they can get Fauchian
and these guys in like they did today, but in
the House they would't have been let him come in
for a hearing. In fact, there's a briefing later this
afternoon we're getting on the Coronavirus Select Committee. It's private.
The American people don't even get to see what's happening.
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Will Lynsky's going to brief members of that of our
committee privately hide it from the American people, which is
just completely wrong. Speaking to Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio,
you know, Congressman, right before you came on, we were
talking about the questioning of a senior FBI official on
Capitol Hill or via zoom but during a hearing by
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Senator Ted Cruz basically saying, look, was there any FBI
involvement in putting putting informants or other actors in the
crowds on January sixth? What do you make of all that?
I mean, do you is this an area that concerns you,
and how could we get answers, especially if going forward,
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perhaps we have a majority in the House. Yeah, well right,
we need we need, we needed an answer to that
because we know it's happened before. We know in a
situation in Michigan, we know that there were FBI informants
in part of that that that effort they're regarding Governor
Whitmer there, So we know what's happened before. And then
of course we've all seen some of the video that
one of my colleagues actually brought up to when we
had Merrit Garland, the Attorney General in front of the
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Judiciary Committee. Thomas Matthew brought it up. Tucker Carlson has
played on this show regarding this individual name Ray Apps
and the way he conducted himself. So I think it's
a fair question. I would like some answers. There are
lots of things we need answers. For examples, today, Buck,
we just find out today that, oh, it was exactly
like we talked about on your show a few months ago,
the school boards issue and the and the Justice Department
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targeting mom's, the dads who have the audacity to show
up at a schoolboard meeting. It didn't start with the
school Boards Association writing the letter to the government. It
was the other way around. They just used that letter
as the pretext. We now have the story with the
emails from Secretary of Education Cardona and these the head
of the school Boards Association, so we know this kind
of stuff that's happened before. It's a fair question that
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Senator Cruz asked, let's hope we can get some answers
at some point. Why do you think they're having a
new counter terrorism domestic terrorism focused unit formed within the
Department of Justice. Congressman, it's this whole weaponization. It's a
great question, Buck, It's this whole weaponization of government against
the people. Mean, the idea that we had a whistleblower
come forward and say they're asked putting a designation on
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moms and dads who are going to school board meetings
speaking out against a crazy crke curriculum. The idea that
there's a designation, a threat tag put on parents, and
now we have a domestic terrorism unit being formed at
the Department of Justice to go after Americans is frightening
when you couple it with everything we've seen over the
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last few years, with what the FBI did to President
Trump's campaign, with what they're doing to school boards, with
what we now learned today, with what the Education Department
Secretary of Education did that it started with him and
it was pretextable to start this whole process to go
after parents. It is frightening and it needs to stop.
And that's why we've called for the Attorney General to
stop that. We've called for the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee,
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mister Nadder, to bring Merritt Garland back in to answer
questions because we think he completely misled the country when
you're testified in October. Last question for you, Congressman, you,
I'm sure have seen twenty six Democratic House members have
decided not to run for reelection. We're still always away.
You talked about the mid terms and there importance and
holding Fauci accountable. What would you set the over under
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at right now? How confident are you that Democrats are
going to lose the House Republicans are going to take
it back in the mid terms. Well, I mean, look,
you know your backgrounds in sports like like minus play,
you're never over confident, But I am confident. I mean,
think about the Democrats message particularly what they're saying in
big cities right now, and big cities Democrats are saying,
we won't let your kids go to school. We're gonna
make it, We're gonna let bad guys roam the streets,
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and we're also going to let illegal immigrants votes. I mean,
that is the three things that Democrat Party is now
for controlled by the leftist that control that party. So
I think the American people are saying, we're fed up
with that. And then you couple that with inflation, the
bordering climate, everything else, and then the idea that they're
now weaponizing government to go against their political enemies. If
we don't take it back, I would be shocked. So
I think there's a there's a great chance we're going
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to be in control. And when we are, we're going
to do the investigations that need to be done, and
we're going to pass the legislation that we told the
American people we were going to pass. Thanks for taking
the time, Congressman Jim Jordan. Make sure you follow him
on Twitter, you watch him a lot on Fox News,
you can see him on Capitol Hill. Thanks you bet,
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Welcome back into the Clay Travis and Buck sex and
show everyone if you want to chat with us. Eight
hundred two eight two two eight eight two And just
a reminder, we have author of Pandemia, the man whose
sub stack is the bane of doctor Fauci's existence, Alex
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Barnson will be with us in just a few moments,
former New York Times reporter from a long time ago,
and a guy who has been right so much. If
you've been listening to this show, you're just it's mind blowing.
And then you add into it that he's been kicked
off social media all over the place. They never bring
him back, Clays and amazing. They never bring him back
and say we're sorry, you were right. We're idiots, we're libs. Well,
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what can you do? They never do that, And you
got some pretty stunning new data that we're going to
bring in the conversation with Alex that I wanted you
to tell everybody because something's not adding up here. Yeah,
we just hit The Wall Street Journal just reported that
we hit a new COVID hospitalization record and average of
one hundred and forty thousand, five hundred and seventy six patients.
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That is higher than it has ever been for COVID
in in since March of twenty twenty. And so I
think a lot of people out there when they hear
this information, now there is discussion, and we should continue
to have this discussion surrounding the fact that many people
who are hospitalized I'm putting it in quotation marks for
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COVID are actually not there because of COVID. They're there
because they are they have COVID if they find out
when they go there. For instance, if you go in
to have a baby and you are soon to be
delivering a baby and they find out that you have COVID,
you would be listed as a COVID hospitalized patient, even
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though COVID is not the reason you're in the hospital.
And having said that the data has been the same
in the way that we count COVID hospitalizations. We haven't
changed the method by which we do that. So the
fact that we are hitting a new all time high
of one hundred and forty thousand, five hundred and seventy
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six average COVID patients reflects that the vaccines to a
large extent, are not stopping, as we know, the spread
of COVID in any kind of significant way. In fact,
Joe Biden, now one year into his presidency, when he
promised that he was going to shut down COVID, he
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basically ran his entire presidential campaign on that idea well bucked.
The numbers reflect that there are now one hundred and
forty five hundred and seventy six people, the most ever
hospitalized with COVID in this country, and unfortunately a lot
of those people are going to Based on the data
in the past, you would think that deaths are going
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to continue to rise, because deaths tend to follow by
two or three or four weeks the overall peaks in
the number of cases. Hopefully it won't be as high
this time as it was in the summer of last year,
but certainly this is not ideal and alarming data that
I think would stun a lot of people. If we
had said this with Alex Barrenson buck back in June
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or July, people would have told us we were crazy,
that we were going to set all time COVID hospitalization
records in January of twenty twenty two. And I think
it's very important to note that right now, the official
word from the CDC on this, and this could be true,
this is the official word right now, is that of
those in the hospital, a small number by percentage are vaccinated,
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and a even small or vanishingly small number, you know,
something along lines of one percent are dying who are vaccinated.
That's what they tell us. That is something we're going
to need to dig into pretty substantially. I think one
area where you're going to see a lot of messing
with the numbers to service the narrative is when they
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say vaccinated. Remember that this keeps changing all the time.
Are we are we now going to consider somebody who
is unboosted to not be in the fully vaccinated category?
How is that going to play into the data? Essentially,
You've got the Fiser CEO, you know, I just saw
they had a copyright claim on that video. They're pulling
it down from places on the internet. Now really, yeah, yeah,
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a copyright class I mean that, first of all, is
the essence of newsworthy, Like, I can't believe they would
be trying to blow I can't believe you'd be trying
to pull back you know what's going I saw this
was on Jesse Kelly's Twitter account, which by the way,
is a source of great amusement for many of us
who followed Jesse and and so it looks like they're
they're trying to get this out of the public view
that you have the CEO of Fiser saying two shots
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doesn't do very much at all for protection from infection.
It's pretty good for now is something they said something
like that against hospitalization and death? Does that mean that
we're going to find out a lot of the people
who are hospitalized, and maybe a good percentage unfortunately of
those who are hospitalized and actually succumb to the virus
are vaccinated but not boosted. You know, this is where
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I know it's all kind of in mesh together, and
there's a lot of parsing have to do here, folks.
But keep in mind they've been lying to you about
this stuff for a long time. So I think it's
only fair to say we should approach some of this
with some skepticism. What do you say, Clay, No doubt
at all. And I'm actually fascinated to see what the
latest data is from Alex Berenson. I mean, he has
been so far ahead in terms of analyzing the data
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and letting us know. Remember when everybody was saying, oh,
COVID's over in June and July, we said he was
the prince of darkness, riding in to spoil everybody's parade,
and he ended up one hundred percent right. I'm just
waiting for the day when finally they have Fauci and
they grab him and he says, I would have gotten
away with it if it wasn't for that Barrenson coming up.
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