July 27, 2022 • 36 mins
When is a recession not a recession? When the Democrats are in power. Watch as liberals scramble to redefine the word "recession" in real time. In Colorado, once someone has stolen "3 or 4 cars" within "say, 3 months," THEN it's time for consequences. Julie Kelly of American Greatness joins Clay and Buck to talk about the DOJ announcing an investigation into Trump, and the treatment of almost 850 January 6th defendants. Lester Holt Questions Merrick Garland, and raises the prospect that prosecuting Trump "would arguably tear the country apart." Garland says, "We pursue justice without fear or favor."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Everybody, Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show. Clay and I here in NYC, right
in midtown Manhattan, and it was very it's very hot
last few days. Specify's actually doing pretty well right now,
all things considered. A lot of masks on the street, though,
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which upsets me. Clay's probably looking at this like this
is some alien invasion going on right now. It's with
all these masks everywhere, all of a sudden. But we'll
get into some of that coming up a little bit later,
because the question we have to address today is when
is a recession not a recession. I think the answer
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is what a Democrat is president. That's what, all of
a sudden, A recession is something else. It's a recovery,
it's a transition, it's a mitigation measure, whatever. It's something else.
It's not actually a recession, especially when you're almost at
the August recess and out of midterm election. Coming up
here is just a sense. I mean, they've got Brian Deese,
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the economic advisor in this White House, who's out there
trying to make the case there are a few people
you'll see popping up on TV not making a compelling
case or even a coherent one, trying to tell everybody
about how this is not really a recession. Here is
what they say sometimes versus other times, But one do
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we have it? Two negative quarters of GDP growth is
not the technical definition of recession. It's not the definition
that economists have traditionally relied on. A recession is just
two consecutive quarters of economic decline? What is a recession?
A recession is two consecutive quarters of two consecutive quarters,
two consecutive quarters, two consecutive quarters of declineing GDP. Did
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you know it's two consecutive quarters of down GDP? It
is actually a definition of a recession. Most common definition
of a recession to consecutive quarters of negative growth. Even
if we don't have two consecutive quarters of negative growth,
we might have one quarter of growth so deep that
it's classified as a recession. And McClay to be fair
if they can redefine the word woman, redefining the word
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recession is pretty easy in comparison, But I think everybody
sees the game here. If you wonder what the number
is going to be. About a week ago, this argument
began to be trotted out that it wasn't a recession
until it's officially called a recession by the grand pooh
bahs in charge of economic analysis and buck Oftentimes, they
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don't even make their official statement on recession having arrived
until a year after the recession has already been here.
So what seems quite clear is Republicans are going to
argue rightly that the traditional definition of recession is two
straight quarters of declining GDP growth. We already were down
one point six percent in quarter one, We're likely going
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to be down tomorrow early in the morning when this
number comes out for the second quarter, and when that happens,
we'll be in a recession. And what Democrats are afraid
of is we've already got nine point one percent inflation.
We're sitting at a little over three months until the
mid term, and in addition to the worst inflation in
over forty years, two generation failed inflation numbers, you're now
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going to also be able to argue that Biden has
led the country into a recession, and so they are
desperate to try to adopt this technical version of recession
that won't be officially analyzed and determined until after the midterms,
so sometime in twenty twenty three all of these I
think it's like eight guys who are sitting on an
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economics board that analyze all the data and determine whether
we've officially hit a recession. Then it'll happen in twenty
twenty three, when we're likely already moving through the recession
and it's not an election year. They don't want to
give this ammunition to Republicans. And the reality that the
Democrats don't want to discuss is rates are going up
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even higher, and the recession that we are eaten right now,
whether it is a technicality or not, is probably going
to get worse. This You're going to see likely a
period of stagflation, so rising or high inflation rates and
rising unemployment. That's likely to be the case. So they're
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trying to do this slow role, boil the frog and
the pots, slowly approach to the economic reality we are
all in. Here's an economist over at KPMG saying, look,
the reality here is that the Biden economy is not
good and it's going to get worse. At the end
of the day. The worst mistake would be to allow
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a repeat of the nineteen sixties and seventies, where we
let inflation, road living standards and squeeze profit margins layout
compound a vicious cycle that went on for years. That's
worse than a recession. It's nothing is good. This is
between a rock and a hard place, and there's no
way to extract ourselves without there being some pain. Now,
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if the Biden administration was staffed with serious people, and
if Joe Biden had the energy, cognition and clear synapses
in the brain necessary to really understand what's going on here, Clay,
I think that they could say to everybody, look, we
were in a pandemic. We spent trillions of dollars, and
we were in an emergency situation, and we need to
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get ourselves out of this now. And that is going
to require some difficulty. But we're going to make smart decisions.
We're going to bring on some business leaders into this
White House. There are things they could do. What they
have been doing all year is saying, look at all
the jobs we created, We're great, this is a great economy.
What are you talking about? And the American people looking,
I'm saying, can't afford my gas my groceries or my
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mortgage buddy, it's not so great. They're in a really
tough spot in this respect. Buck. Two thirds of the
American economy is consumer spending. So if consumers recognize that
we're in a recession, which I think consumers have, what
happens people start to spend money less. And this is
what you're seeing with the earnings numbers that are coming out.
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Walmart is always a good approximation of the larger national economy.
Remember last year, Walmart came out and said, hey, we're
starting to see people trade back to generics a little bit.
Instead of buying the expensive brand of peanut butter, they're
buying a Walmart version. They're saving a little bit of money.
They came out and said that that was last year.
Last quarter, I believe most recent quarter for Walmart stock
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dropped ten percent because they said people are dialing back
spending in a big way. First thing you do is
go to generics. Next thing you do is start buying less.
And when people are buying less from Walmart nationwide, we're
in a recession book and people are behaving like we're
in a recession. And we talked about this last night
at dinner. I'm really nervous about the housing market. Yep, right,
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because just think about it out there. We talked about
this last week with Art laugh Or two Economic Genius.
But there are a lot of people out there, probably
many of you listening to us right now, who have
fifteen or thirty year mortgages in the two and a
half to three percent range. And you might have been thinking, Hey,
we just had another kid, maybe it's time to move.
I'd like to be in this other neighborhood. Or maybe
you're downsizing and you're like, it's time to move, But
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then you think, wait a minute, in order to move,
my overall mortgage is gonna go to six percent. Why
would I move when I've got a two and a
half or three percent mortgage locked in? And you're starting
to see housing prices come back substantially all over the country,
even in hot markets. This is supply and demand. You're
gonna have fewer possible buyers for all of these houses
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because they won't be able to afford the financing as
the rates rise, as well as the challenge of paying
all their other bills. Right most families are living within
a pretty confined budget space. Month the month and you
see these numbers about how many people even have the
savings to deal with a five hundred dollar emergency nationwide.
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It's pretty small. But when you have fewer possible buyers
in the housing market, you're going to have the effect
on price. A lot of people obviously also have seen
their equity go up dramatically in their houses in the
last couple of years, and now the question is what
are they going to do Right those prices are going
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to be coming down. The housing market could slow down
pretty dramatically, and that obviously affects building, that affects the
broader economy in a lot of really important ways. And
they keep pushing, they keep pushing us on this idea. Well,
unemployments really low, yeah, but not for the reasons they
want people to believe because of low labor force participation,
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because a lot of people retired during COVID, And I
also think that they're not measure I think there are
a lot of people that are just out of the
job search right now because they've decided that they have
better options or they'd rather just move in with family.
So when you're looking for some kind of an upshot
in this economy, I think it's really hard to find one,
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and the people in charge are both dishonest about this
and incompetent in the handling of this. That's the big challenge.
And let's talk about this potential basis point rise, which
we anticipate it's going to be a three quarter basis
point rise. They did this last month, which was the
biggest interest rate rise since nineteen ninety four. The expectation
as the feed is going to raise another three quarter
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basis points today, when and or if that happens, Buck,
think about the challenging dynamic that we're in. We may
be in a recession and rising interests, raising interest rates simultaneously,
which almost never happens. Usually you're cutting interest rates during
a recession to try to stimulate demand. So you're doing
something that actually could add more fuel to the recession fire.
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And the reason we're having to do it is because
they so mismanaged things that they allowed inflation to get
out of control, so they could destroy the recession simultaneously
getting worse while maybe not even being able to address
the underlying inflation, which is why we're in one of
the most difficult economic markets in terms of just trying
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to handle it. And we've got maybe the dumbest, least
business centric management that we have ever seen in our
lives in the White House. Right now. This is all
ultimately cause and effect. The Fed, the government put too
much money into circulation. This was a problem of monetary policy.
They overstimulated the economy, They artificially kept rates too low.
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They spend too much money. Where thirty trillion roughly now
in the national debt. Joe Biden comes in after a
period of overspending. Let's be honest, during lockdowns that happened,
trillions of dollars spent. He spent two trillion more, wanted
to spend another five trillion over ten years on top
of that for build back better. The cause and effect
here economically is clear. You spent too much money, You
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manipulated the economy too much, and so now there's going
to be the pendulum swinging in the other direction. The
political cause and effect should be the people that wanted
to do this even more than they already did, and
have no idea how to actually operate within a free
market economy to make things grow and improve and get
better for all of us. They need to be held
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to account in this midterm election that's otherwise you're getting
more of this. They still think if we could spend more.
Remember the stimulus package under Obama. I remember what the
criticism was when the Obama economy wasn't even a trillion,
wasn't even a trillion. And their whole thing, though, was that, oh,
we didn't spend enough. That was always the thing. It's
always more spending. Right now, if Joe Biden could, would
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he spend five trillion dollars for build back better? He
had the votes one hundent, he would do it. They
think they know how to put the money to work
better than the American people do. They have to be
taught a lesson. We're just talking about how it's going
to be an interesting day the next twenty four hours
or so. You're going to see the markets get really
choppy because you have another big interest rate rise from
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going to be announced right at two o'clock Eastern, So
about what forty minutes from now we will give you
the update. Stock market will lightly likely move substantially if
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it's anything other than a three quarter point rise, and
again that is historically incredible in terms of having back
to back three quarter point raises. We have not seen
a three quarter point raise until last month, going all
the way back to nineteen ninety four. We're gonna be
joined by Julie Kelly hereon minute. She's been covering the
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incredible story of the January sixth political prisoners, and she's
got an update on one of the guys that has
been held basically in solitary, having his charges changed after
five months in prisoned. Already. I think you guys are
really going to enjoy this discussion. But what's so wild
about the treatment of the January sixth political prisoners and
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the draconian punishments that they are facing, is out there
in the larger universe, almost no one is getting punished
for anything. Buck. We talked about the viral video of
the sixteen year old kid throwing punches at the police officer.
Certainly we talked about Leezeldon. We're both in New York
City right now. An assault on Leezelden that got basically
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no time immediately released. Now they've been federal charges brought
since then. Colorado. Colorado's got an interesting Senate race that
is going on. There, possibility of a big Republican upset,
and if that happens, it's gonna be because of things
like what Attorney General Phil Wiser is saying, you don't
really want to punish car thieves until they've stolen cars
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three or four times. I'm not even making this up. Listen,
after someone commits a third or fourth car theft in
say three months, they should be kept in with a
really high bond, because you got a sense they're gonna
get out, they're gonna commit more crimes. Oh wow, three
or four, first couple of car thefts to get a
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free pass. Pass, go go ahead and drive them wherever
you want. Is this guy at till of the hun
I mean, let's be let's be kind, let's be nice.
After the fifteenth car you've stolen, I think they can
assume you're a car thief who needs to be punished
three or four cars. Oh that's that's JV stuff right there.
Maybe I'm in the minority here. I'm gone my whole
life without stealing a car. Even maybe I evidently in Colorado,
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I've got to buy one, get one free on the
on the car theft because nothing will happen to me
until I get to three year four. I got a
crazy idea. Can we play that one more time? Because
people won't even believe that's real. Hey, they're getting tough
on crime in Colorado. Once you get to three or
four cars, they're gonna throw the book at you. Listen,
after someone commits a third or fourth car theft in
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say three months, they should be kept in with a
really high bond because you got a sense they're gonna
get out, they're gonna commit more crimes. You got a sense, buck,
when you've stolen a car every month for three consecutive months,
you're probably gonna steal another car. And then they got
to get really severe with you. Yeah, I mean, what
is this guy? It's not the part of the Talabad here.
I mean, they shouldn't be getting so strict with people
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clay three or four cars. Like I said, folks, you
gotta understand something. There are arrests being made every day
in New York City. I'm sure in Colorado two of
people who are doing bad stuff, who have been arrested forty, fifty,
even a hundred times. Okay, At the fact that the
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system gets to the point where you have people who
only finally get locked away when they murder somebody after
being arrested thirty or forty times, it's clearly failing and
This isn't failing because of what was passed, even necessarily
at the state legislature. It's a lot of it because
of prosecutors who are deciding to just give the sweetest
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deals possible to people, not even deals to just say
don't worry about it, don't do it again. Block. What
did we talk about yesterday Baltimore. The study that was
done about who's committing murders. One of those stats was
ninety out of one hundred and ten murders that that
guy had tracked down. If the people who committed the
murders had been serving the actual sentences that they're violent
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We have Julie Kelly
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joining us right now to talk about the situation of
the January six protesters and also the possibility of adj
criminal charge being brought against former President Donald Trump. Julie,
thanks so much for being with us. Hey, guys, thanks
for having me on. So first off, I just think
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it's so important because you've been on this from the
very beginning. You keep on it. You are in this
fight to get fair treatment and justice done for those
who are accused of crimes, including many accused of entirely
non violent crimes. On January six, What is the latest
that everyone across the country Julie should know about the
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status of these January six defendants. Right now, there are
about one eight hundred and fifty Americans charged in the
Justice departments unprecedented, abusive, vengeful prosecution of what happened on
January six. The overwhelming majority of those people are charged
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with low level misdemeanors, such as parading in the capital. Nonetheless,
the DJ is still requesting jail time for those people.
We saw this week doctor Simone Gold, who was also
an anti lockdown activist, was arrested on January sixth. She
pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. She just started a sixty
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day prison sentence. So even for the lowest charges, DOJ's
requesting prison time, and these judges are signing off on it.
We still have at least seventy to eighty people who
remained detained without bond, some of whom have been behind
bars for sixteen seventeen months awaiting trial. We've not been
convicted of anything. And so now we see the Washington
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Post confirming last night what I've been predicting for months
is that the DOJ is moving working with grand jury
and moving to indict Donald Trump on at least one
Salon account possibly seditious conspiracy, which is insane. But that's
where we are. Things are getting worse for these defendants
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and targets rather than getting better. Now more than eighteen
months later, Julie Kelly, political commentator, senior contributor to American Greatness,
author of January six how Democrats use the Capitol protest
to launch a war on terror against the political right
and disloyal opposition. You have some breaking news here for us,
I believe earlier today, a man named George Tanios is
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one of two men accused of the attack on Brian Sicknick,
the Capitol police officer. He spent five months in jail
over this. What exactly is going on and what does
it signify in your mind what the Department of Justice
is doing associated with George Tanios? You know, it's pretty
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stunning because, as you both know, with the idea that
Brian Sicknick died as a result of what happened on
January sixth has been an animating feature on the January
sixth narrative. He still to this day, even if Committee
continues to lie that Sicnic somehow died as a result
of a capital protest. Of course, in April twenty twenty one,
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after months of stories, including a New York Times account
claiming he was luging to death with fire extinguisher, a
story they later retracted. In April twenty twenty one, the
corner came out and said, unfortunately, at age forty two,
he tragically died of natural causes, two strokes caused by
blood clot that hasn't stopped the mediant and d o
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J itself from perpetuating the life. So two men were charged,
arrested and charged in March of twenty twenty one. They
were both denied bail George Tanios. They both faced identical
felony counts, including assaulting an officer with a dangerous or
deadly weapon pepper spray, and George Tanios was in jail
for five months, denied bail, lost his business, bankrupted him
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of course, just almost destroy his family. His detention was
overturned by the Dcapellate Court, a very rare move to
overturn these pre trial attention orders. Anyway, he still faced charges,
he refused to plea and then today suddenly DJI dropped
all of the assault charges against him and instead filed
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two low level misdemeanors, restricted trustpassing unrestricted grounds and disorderly conduct,
for which he will plead guilty later this afternoon. So so,
just to be clear, Julie for everybody in the Tanio's case,
if if that's where this goes, how long will he
have been held and are they keeping were they keeping
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u Tanios in a solitary or administrative segregation in the
in the jail system in DC? How long would he
have served for what are effectively as adjudicated misdemeanors. Right,
So he was in jail for more than five months,
and even when he was released. Judge Hogan, a Reagan appointee,
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if you could believe a man who should have retired
long ago still sentenced him to home detention. He couldn't
even leave his house, so he could not work after
being de seened for five months. Additionally, but I believe
it's only six months up to six months for each
of his two misdemeanors. So I'm assuming that DJ or
the judge will just after they sentence him, which won't
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be today, but for time served. But look doesn't change
the fact his life has been destroyed. The media describes
him as a cop killer. I've been in contact with
George really since before he got released, and you know,
he got out of jail and started looking up his
name and could not believe what he was reading that
he is now considered a cop killer. And as you know,
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even though DJ has dropped all those charges related to him,
this will still be part of his life story and
still considered someone who contributed to the death of Baron
Sicknick no matter what the facts are, Julie, The New
York Times will not cover a lot of the January
six political prisoner angle. But I was telling Buck. I
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think it was the Monday edition of The Times. They
had a big article about how media was covering January six,
and you were quoted. They talked about you, They threw
Buck and I in there. Tucker Carlson, what did you
think of the New York Times article and what kind
of feedback, if any, did you get because you were
a big part of their story. What was supposed to
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be a hit piece on the way that so called
conservative media is covering January six, But I actually thought
the way it read it actually sounded super logical on
many different levels. I think so too, And it was
great to be in such a good company, including you
guys who thank you, and Tucker and others. You know,
we because we have been running counter to the official
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regime narrative and in many instances, and the Sickney cases one, unfortunately,
we have been right. Yeah, and I knew that a reason.
I knew that this these new charges dropping, the charges
were coming, and I knew that. That's why the New
York Times tried to sneer me as somehow downplaying what
happened to Brian sick Nick. Well, now you've been proven
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right again. So that's part of what the New York
Times does. So that was their their predicate for publishing that.
Speaking of Julie Kelly political commentating, your commentator contributed to
American Greatness, author of January sixth, how Democrats use the
capital protest to launch a war on terror against the
political right, Julie, to that end, about the weaponization here
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against the political right and disloyal opposition from the government.
You saw that Washington Post piece. I'm sure that is
trying to at least create the perception, maybe the belief
that Donald Trump himself may be charged. You mentioned the
possible insurrection seditious insurrection charge against him, or conspiracy to
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commit insurrection, whatever it is that however they're going to
phrase it. Do you think they actually might do this, Julie,
I mean, that's what a client are going back and
forth all this. You think they'll pull the trigger on
this and come what may from just what this would
do to the country. Well, first, I want to know
who thinks the DOJ is going to charge that? Okay, So, Julie,
my argument is if the DOJ charges Hunter Biden, which
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I think they will, that they're going to use that
as political cover to potentially charge Trump, and they'll say,
whether you are the son of the president or the
former president, Justice demands that we pursue it, no matter
who the defendant might be. So my theory is they
may use Hunter Biden charges as cover to charge Trump
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with conspiracy. Interesting, that's what I said, I thought about it.
But what do you think about them just charging Trump? Period?
Do you think they might do it under any circumstance?
Ninety nine point nine percent absolutely confident that this DOJ
is going to indict him. This is the purpose of
the January sixth Committee is to build a public and
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political case against Donald Trump, especially related to the alleged
two alleged militia groups. This DJ has not been held
accountable for repeatedly lying in court into a grand jury
about what happened on January sixth. These judges in DC
are letting DJ get away with anything. So I'm confident
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that if Matthew Brais, the DCUs attorney and Biden champaign advisor,
is presenting information to a grand jury made up of
DC residents city of course that voted almost ninety four
percent for Joe Biden, they'd be chomping at the bit
to indict Donald Trump for anything, including this exceedingly rare
charge of seditious conspiracy, a charge no American has ever
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been convicted of. And the last time DJ even tried
to prosecute anyone with seditious conspiracy in twenty eleven, federal
judge in Michigan tossed the charges out of court. That's
how unusual and rare discount is. Julie, what do you
think the timing would be on bringing If you're ninety
nine point nine percent certain that arges are going to come,
when do you think the DJ would bring them? I
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would guess sometimes September. I believe this will probably be
the October surprise. It will be the latest DOJ October
surprise to interfere in an election and there's nothing to
stop them. Julie, Kelly Craig call it a shot here
in the upper deck. My friend, she's about to see
Swig in the back too. That's a big call to
make October surprise Trump gets indicted, Julie, we appreciate you.
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How can people who want to and I've done this myself,
so I would encourage everyone out there listening to do
it as well. How can people donate so that these
January sixth defendants can have legal representation to help them
fight the charges that they are all facing. How can
people help them get better attorneys? Well, Klay, thank you
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for that. As you've donated to Patriot Freedom Project. It
is a fun that is helping to pay for lawyers
and the financial burden of families who are ensnared in
this abuse of prosecution. I also would ask people to
check out George tinius'sum gives end Go account because he's
really been destroyed to support this narrative about Brian Sicknick.
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And so those are two places. People who want to
help financially, or even if they can't, send a letter
to some of the detainees. I know that it's greatly appreciated, Julie.
Fantastic work. As always, we appreciate the time, and we
will keep you on the dial here as these January
six prosecutions continue. All right, guys, thank you so much. Truly.
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I'm up in New York City right now. Buck. You
know what I'm wearing. My Wolf and Shepherd shoes in
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Sexton Show close an Out hour two. You thought that
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my prediction on hunter By getting indicted was maybe aggressive, Buck,
How about Julie Kelly right there? Ninety nine point nine
percent chance she said that Donald Trump will be indicted
for this seditious conspiracy charge in her mind that the
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Washington Post wrote about last night. If you haven't read it,
that's a pretty aggressive I mean, she's been right. Let's
be honest on a lot of these January sixth, related stories. Well,
let's just think about what they've already done. They managed
and are unrepentant about it, to push a Russia collusion
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narrative that was the dominant news story from twenty sixteen.
Really basically up until the pandemic, the biggest news story
in America and really in the world was the complete
and utter fabrication, the lie that Donald Trump worked with
Putin and the Kremlin to steal the twenty sixteen election
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from Hillary. And what we've seen since then is that
they are just upset, not that they destroyed their credibility
in places like CNN, engaged in journalistic self immolation, but
that it didn't work quite as well as they had hoped.
They did manage to use it as a weapon against
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the Trump administration, that big lie against Trump. So Clay,
we have to stop and look at this and say
to ourselves, they've shown us who they are. I mean,
if you're really willing to believe that Donald Trump was
part of some Russian conspiracy to change people, believe that
they changed votes in the voting machines. Remember, questioning elections
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when Democrats win is literally treason. But when they were
saying that Trump didn't win the election, and Hillary was
even still months and months after she had lost, saying
that she didn't really buy it. That's just fine, man,
that's just safeguarding our democratic processes. The thing with Democrats
you always have to remember is they have no integrity
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to protect on these things. Gives them a lot of movement,
a lot of latitude. I was surprised that Merrick Garland
set for this interview. Lester Holt questioned the Attorney General
Merrick Garland about the idea of prosecuting Trump and what
it would do to the country. Listen to Merrick Garland's
answer right here. This is NBC News. Lester Holt questioning
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Merrick Garland. You said in no in certain terms the
other day, that no one is above the law. That said,
the indictment of a former president of perhaps candidate for president,
would arguably tear the country apart. Is that your concern
as you make your decision down the road here do
you have to think about things like that? Look, we
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pursue justice without fear or favor. We intend to hold
everyone anyone who was criminally irresponsible for and surrounding January six,
for any attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of
power from one administration to another accountable. That's what we do.
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We don't pay any attention to other issues with respect
to that. I think he's setting the table buck. I'm
just gonna say it, Hunter Biden's going to be the
fall guy for Democrats. Forces Joe Biden potentially out of running,
creates a mess, and then they are able to argue
no favor. You just heard him say it. There. We're
going to go after the truth no matter who the defend.
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So to be clear, you think that the Biden or
rather the Democrat apparatus, wants to take both these players
off the chessboard. Biden because if his son gets indicted,
he's going to have to pardon him or commute him,
and he's going to be too wounded as a political
candidate to go forward and Trump. Yes, you think they
don't want to just clear out the chessboard a little bit,
They want to flip it over and knock all the
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pieces off. Well. I think Democrats know that Biden is
an awful candidate, so I don't think they have any
issue now with throwing him to the wolds. And Hunter
Biden is testimony to that testament to that, and then
you look at Trump. They definitely still want Trump. I
think the only way you can charge Trump is if
Hunter Biden gets charged first. I think your odds of
a Biden Hunter Biden prosecution are one in ten. I
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think the odds that they actually try this thing against Trump,
I'm feeling like it's a fifty to fifty at this point. Man.
They might just be crazy enough. That's interesting. I think
Hunter Biden's more likely to get charged than Trump. I
really do. Sleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the front
lines of truth
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Everybody, Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show. Clay and I here in NYC, right
in midtown Manhattan, and it was very it's very hot
last few days. Specify's actually doing pretty well right now,
all things considered. A lot of masks on the street, though,
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which upsets me. Clay's probably looking at this like this
is some alien invasion going on right now. It's with
all these masks everywhere, all of a sudden. But we'll
get into some of that coming up a little bit later,
because the question we have to address today is when
is a recession not a recession. I think the answer
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is what a Democrat is president. That's what, all of
a sudden, A recession is something else. It's a recovery,
it's a transition, it's a mitigation measure, whatever. It's something else.
It's not actually a recession, especially when you're almost at
the August recess and out of midterm election. Coming up
here is just a sense. I mean, they've got Brian Deese,
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the economic advisor in this White House, who's out there
trying to make the case there are a few people
you'll see popping up on TV not making a compelling
case or even a coherent one, trying to tell everybody
about how this is not really a recession. Here is
what they say sometimes versus other times, But one do
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we have it? Two negative quarters of GDP growth is
not the technical definition of recession. It's not the definition
that economists have traditionally relied on. A recession is just
two consecutive quarters of economic decline? What is a recession?
A recession is two consecutive quarters of two consecutive quarters,
two consecutive quarters, two consecutive quarters of declineing GDP. Did
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you know it's two consecutive quarters of down GDP? It
is actually a definition of a recession. Most common definition
of a recession to consecutive quarters of negative growth. Even
if we don't have two consecutive quarters of negative growth,
we might have one quarter of growth so deep that
it's classified as a recession. And McClay to be fair
if they can redefine the word woman, redefining the word
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recession is pretty easy in comparison, But I think everybody
sees the game here. If you wonder what the number
is going to be. About a week ago, this argument
began to be trotted out that it wasn't a recession
until it's officially called a recession by the grand pooh
bahs in charge of economic analysis and buck Oftentimes, they
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don't even make their official statement on recession having arrived
until a year after the recession has already been here.
So what seems quite clear is Republicans are going to
argue rightly that the traditional definition of recession is two
straight quarters of declining GDP growth. We already were down
one point six percent in quarter one, We're likely going
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to be down tomorrow early in the morning when this
number comes out for the second quarter, and when that happens,
we'll be in a recession. And what Democrats are afraid
of is we've already got nine point one percent inflation.
We're sitting at a little over three months until the
mid term, and in addition to the worst inflation in
over forty years, two generation failed inflation numbers, you're now
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going to also be able to argue that Biden has
led the country into a recession, and so they are
desperate to try to adopt this technical version of recession
that won't be officially analyzed and determined until after the midterms,
so sometime in twenty twenty three all of these I
think it's like eight guys who are sitting on an
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economics board that analyze all the data and determine whether
we've officially hit a recession. Then it'll happen in twenty
twenty three, when we're likely already moving through the recession
and it's not an election year. They don't want to
give this ammunition to Republicans. And the reality that the
Democrats don't want to discuss is rates are going up
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even higher, and the recession that we are eaten right now,
whether it is a technicality or not, is probably going
to get worse. This You're going to see likely a
period of stagflation, so rising or high inflation rates and
rising unemployment. That's likely to be the case. So they're
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trying to do this slow role, boil the frog and
the pots, slowly approach to the economic reality we are
all in. Here's an economist over at KPMG saying, look,
the reality here is that the Biden economy is not
good and it's going to get worse. At the end
of the day. The worst mistake would be to allow
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a repeat of the nineteen sixties and seventies, where we
let inflation, road living standards and squeeze profit margins layout
compound a vicious cycle that went on for years. That's
worse than a recession. It's nothing is good. This is
between a rock and a hard place, and there's no
way to extract ourselves without there being some pain. Now,
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if the Biden administration was staffed with serious people, and
if Joe Biden had the energy, cognition and clear synapses
in the brain necessary to really understand what's going on here, Clay,
I think that they could say to everybody, look, we
were in a pandemic. We spent trillions of dollars, and
we were in an emergency situation, and we need to
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get ourselves out of this now. And that is going
to require some difficulty. But we're going to make smart decisions.
We're going to bring on some business leaders into this
White House. There are things they could do. What they
have been doing all year is saying, look at all
the jobs we created, We're great, this is a great economy.
What are you talking about? And the American people looking,
I'm saying, can't afford my gas my groceries or my
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mortgage buddy, it's not so great. They're in a really
tough spot in this respect. Buck. Two thirds of the
American economy is consumer spending. So if consumers recognize that
we're in a recession, which I think consumers have, what
happens people start to spend money less. And this is
what you're seeing with the earnings numbers that are coming out.
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Walmart is always a good approximation of the larger national economy.
Remember last year, Walmart came out and said, hey, we're
starting to see people trade back to generics a little bit.
Instead of buying the expensive brand of peanut butter, they're
buying a Walmart version. They're saving a little bit of money.
They came out and said that that was last year.
Last quarter, I believe most recent quarter for Walmart stock
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dropped ten percent because they said people are dialing back
spending in a big way. First thing you do is
go to generics. Next thing you do is start buying less.
And when people are buying less from Walmart nationwide, we're
in a recession book and people are behaving like we're
in a recession. And we talked about this last night
at dinner. I'm really nervous about the housing market. Yep, right,
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because just think about it out there. We talked about
this last week with Art laugh Or two Economic Genius.
But there are a lot of people out there, probably
many of you listening to us right now, who have
fifteen or thirty year mortgages in the two and a
half to three percent range. And you might have been thinking, Hey,
we just had another kid, maybe it's time to move.
I'd like to be in this other neighborhood. Or maybe
you're downsizing and you're like, it's time to move, But
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then you think, wait a minute, in order to move,
my overall mortgage is gonna go to six percent. Why
would I move when I've got a two and a
half or three percent mortgage locked in? And you're starting
to see housing prices come back substantially all over the country,
even in hot markets. This is supply and demand. You're
gonna have fewer possible buyers for all of these houses
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because they won't be able to afford the financing as
the rates rise, as well as the challenge of paying
all their other bills. Right most families are living within
a pretty confined budget space. Month the month and you
see these numbers about how many people even have the
savings to deal with a five hundred dollar emergency nationwide.
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It's pretty small. But when you have fewer possible buyers
in the housing market, you're going to have the effect
on price. A lot of people obviously also have seen
their equity go up dramatically in their houses in the
last couple of years, and now the question is what
are they going to do Right those prices are going
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to be coming down. The housing market could slow down
pretty dramatically, and that obviously affects building, that affects the
broader economy in a lot of really important ways. And
they keep pushing, they keep pushing us on this idea. Well,
unemployments really low, yeah, but not for the reasons they
want people to believe because of low labor force participation,
(08:54):
because a lot of people retired during COVID, And I
also think that they're not measure I think there are
a lot of people that are just out of the
job search right now because they've decided that they have
better options or they'd rather just move in with family.
So when you're looking for some kind of an upshot
in this economy, I think it's really hard to find one,
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and the people in charge are both dishonest about this
and incompetent in the handling of this. That's the big challenge.
And let's talk about this potential basis point rise, which
we anticipate it's going to be a three quarter basis
point rise. They did this last month, which was the
biggest interest rate rise since nineteen ninety four. The expectation
as the feed is going to raise another three quarter
(09:38):
basis points today, when and or if that happens, Buck,
think about the challenging dynamic that we're in. We may
be in a recession and rising interests, raising interest rates simultaneously,
which almost never happens. Usually you're cutting interest rates during
a recession to try to stimulate demand. So you're doing
something that actually could add more fuel to the recession fire.
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And the reason we're having to do it is because
they so mismanaged things that they allowed inflation to get
out of control, so they could destroy the recession simultaneously
getting worse while maybe not even being able to address
the underlying inflation, which is why we're in one of
the most difficult economic markets in terms of just trying
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to handle it. And we've got maybe the dumbest, least
business centric management that we have ever seen in our
lives in the White House. Right now. This is all
ultimately cause and effect. The Fed, the government put too
much money into circulation. This was a problem of monetary policy.
They overstimulated the economy, They artificially kept rates too low.
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They spend too much money. Where thirty trillion roughly now
in the national debt. Joe Biden comes in after a
period of overspending. Let's be honest, during lockdowns that happened,
trillions of dollars spent. He spent two trillion more, wanted
to spend another five trillion over ten years on top
of that for build back better. The cause and effect
here economically is clear. You spent too much money, You
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manipulated the economy too much, and so now there's going
to be the pendulum swinging in the other direction. The
political cause and effect should be the people that wanted
to do this even more than they already did, and
have no idea how to actually operate within a free
market economy to make things grow and improve and get
better for all of us. They need to be held
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to account in this midterm election that's otherwise you're getting
more of this. They still think if we could spend more.
Remember the stimulus package under Obama. I remember what the
criticism was when the Obama economy wasn't even a trillion,
wasn't even a trillion. And their whole thing, though, was that, oh,
we didn't spend enough. That was always the thing. It's
always more spending. Right now, if Joe Biden could, would
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he spend five trillion dollars for build back better? He
had the votes one hundent, he would do it. They
think they know how to put the money to work
better than the American people do. They have to be
taught a lesson. We're just talking about how it's going
to be an interesting day the next twenty four hours
or so. You're going to see the markets get really
choppy because you have another big interest rate rise from
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the Fed. You know what that means. You know that's
going to spook the markets a lot. Interest rates going up,
dollars going to be affected by this. The GDP report
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the update. Stock market will lightly likely move substantially if
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it's anything other than a three quarter point rise, and
again that is historically incredible in terms of having back
to back three quarter point raises. We have not seen
a three quarter point raise until last month, going all
the way back to nineteen ninety four. We're gonna be
joined by Julie Kelly hereon minute. She's been covering the
(14:01):
incredible story of the January sixth political prisoners, and she's
got an update on one of the guys that has
been held basically in solitary, having his charges changed after
five months in prisoned. Already. I think you guys are
really going to enjoy this discussion. But what's so wild
about the treatment of the January sixth political prisoners and
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the draconian punishments that they are facing, is out there
in the larger universe, almost no one is getting punished
for anything. Buck. We talked about the viral video of
the sixteen year old kid throwing punches at the police officer.
Certainly we talked about Leezeldon. We're both in New York
City right now. An assault on Leezelden that got basically
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no time immediately released. Now they've been federal charges brought
since then. Colorado. Colorado's got an interesting Senate race that
is going on. There, possibility of a big Republican upset,
and if that happens, it's gonna be because of things
like what Attorney General Phil Wiser is saying, you don't
really want to punish car thieves until they've stolen cars
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three or four times. I'm not even making this up. Listen,
after someone commits a third or fourth car theft in
say three months, they should be kept in with a
really high bond, because you got a sense they're gonna
get out, they're gonna commit more crimes. Oh wow, three
or four, first couple of car thefts to get a
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free pass. Pass, go go ahead and drive them wherever
you want. Is this guy at till of the hun
I mean, let's be let's be kind, let's be nice.
After the fifteenth car you've stolen, I think they can
assume you're a car thief who needs to be punished
three or four cars. Oh that's that's JV stuff right there.
Maybe I'm in the minority here. I'm gone my whole
life without stealing a car. Even maybe I evidently in Colorado,
(15:54):
I've got to buy one, get one free on the
on the car theft because nothing will happen to me
until I get to three year four. I got a
crazy idea. Can we play that one more time? Because
people won't even believe that's real. Hey, they're getting tough
on crime in Colorado. Once you get to three or
four cars, they're gonna throw the book at you. Listen,
after someone commits a third or fourth car theft in
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say three months, they should be kept in with a
really high bond because you got a sense they're gonna
get out, they're gonna commit more crimes. You got a sense, buck,
when you've stolen a car every month for three consecutive months,
you're probably gonna steal another car. And then they got
to get really severe with you. Yeah, I mean, what
is this guy? It's not the part of the Talabad here.
I mean, they shouldn't be getting so strict with people
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clay three or four cars. Like I said, folks, you
gotta understand something. There are arrests being made every day
in New York City. I'm sure in Colorado two of
people who are doing bad stuff, who have been arrested forty, fifty,
even a hundred times. Okay, At the fact that the
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system gets to the point where you have people who
only finally get locked away when they murder somebody after
being arrested thirty or forty times, it's clearly failing and
This isn't failing because of what was passed, even necessarily
at the state legislature. It's a lot of it because
of prosecutors who are deciding to just give the sweetest
(17:22):
deals possible to people, not even deals to just say
don't worry about it, don't do it again. Block. What
did we talk about yesterday Baltimore. The study that was
done about who's committing murders. One of those stats was
ninety out of one hundred and ten murders that that
guy had tracked down. If the people who committed the
murders had been serving the actual sentences that they're violent
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crimes would have required them to serve, those murders wouldn't
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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We have Julie Kelly
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joining us right now to talk about the situation of
the January six protesters and also the possibility of adj
criminal charge being brought against former President Donald Trump. Julie,
thanks so much for being with us. Hey, guys, thanks
for having me on. So first off, I just think
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it's so important because you've been on this from the
very beginning. You keep on it. You are in this
fight to get fair treatment and justice done for those
who are accused of crimes, including many accused of entirely
non violent crimes. On January six, What is the latest
that everyone across the country Julie should know about the
(19:32):
status of these January six defendants. Right now, there are
about one eight hundred and fifty Americans charged in the
Justice departments unprecedented, abusive, vengeful prosecution of what happened on
January six. The overwhelming majority of those people are charged
(19:52):
with low level misdemeanors, such as parading in the capital. Nonetheless,
the DJ is still requesting jail time for those people.
We saw this week doctor Simone Gold, who was also
an anti lockdown activist, was arrested on January sixth. She
pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. She just started a sixty
(20:13):
day prison sentence. So even for the lowest charges, DOJ's
requesting prison time, and these judges are signing off on it.
We still have at least seventy to eighty people who
remained detained without bond, some of whom have been behind
bars for sixteen seventeen months awaiting trial. We've not been
convicted of anything. And so now we see the Washington
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Post confirming last night what I've been predicting for months
is that the DOJ is moving working with grand jury
and moving to indict Donald Trump on at least one
Salon account possibly seditious conspiracy, which is insane. But that's
where we are. Things are getting worse for these defendants
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and targets rather than getting better. Now more than eighteen
months later, Julie Kelly, political commentator, senior contributor to American Greatness,
author of January six how Democrats use the Capitol protest
to launch a war on terror against the political right
and disloyal opposition. You have some breaking news here for us,
I believe earlier today, a man named George Tanios is
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one of two men accused of the attack on Brian Sicknick,
the Capitol police officer. He spent five months in jail
over this. What exactly is going on and what does
it signify in your mind what the Department of Justice
is doing associated with George Tanios? You know, it's pretty
(21:45):
stunning because, as you both know, with the idea that
Brian Sicknick died as a result of what happened on
January sixth has been an animating feature on the January
sixth narrative. He still to this day, even if Committee
continues to lie that Sicnic somehow died as a result
of a capital protest. Of course, in April twenty twenty one,
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after months of stories, including a New York Times account
claiming he was luging to death with fire extinguisher, a
story they later retracted. In April twenty twenty one, the
corner came out and said, unfortunately, at age forty two,
he tragically died of natural causes, two strokes caused by
blood clot that hasn't stopped the mediant and d o
(22:27):
J itself from perpetuating the life. So two men were charged,
arrested and charged in March of twenty twenty one. They
were both denied bail George Tanios. They both faced identical
felony counts, including assaulting an officer with a dangerous or
deadly weapon pepper spray, and George Tanios was in jail
for five months, denied bail, lost his business, bankrupted him
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of course, just almost destroy his family. His detention was
overturned by the Dcapellate Court, a very rare move to
overturn these pre trial attention orders. Anyway, he still faced charges,
he refused to plea and then today suddenly DJI dropped
all of the assault charges against him and instead filed
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two low level misdemeanors, restricted trustpassing unrestricted grounds and disorderly conduct,
for which he will plead guilty later this afternoon. So so,
just to be clear, Julie for everybody in the Tanio's case,
if if that's where this goes, how long will he
have been held and are they keeping were they keeping
(23:34):
u Tanios in a solitary or administrative segregation in the
in the jail system in DC? How long would he
have served for what are effectively as adjudicated misdemeanors. Right,
So he was in jail for more than five months,
and even when he was released. Judge Hogan, a Reagan appointee,
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if you could believe a man who should have retired
long ago still sentenced him to home detention. He couldn't
even leave his house, so he could not work after
being de seened for five months. Additionally, but I believe
it's only six months up to six months for each
of his two misdemeanors. So I'm assuming that DJ or
the judge will just after they sentence him, which won't
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be today, but for time served. But look doesn't change
the fact his life has been destroyed. The media describes
him as a cop killer. I've been in contact with
George really since before he got released, and you know,
he got out of jail and started looking up his
name and could not believe what he was reading that
he is now considered a cop killer. And as you know,
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even though DJ has dropped all those charges related to him,
this will still be part of his life story and
still considered someone who contributed to the death of Baron
Sicknick no matter what the facts are, Julie, The New
York Times will not cover a lot of the January
six political prisoner angle. But I was telling Buck. I
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think it was the Monday edition of The Times. They
had a big article about how media was covering January six,
and you were quoted. They talked about you, They threw
Buck and I in there. Tucker Carlson, what did you
think of the New York Times article and what kind
of feedback, if any, did you get because you were
a big part of their story. What was supposed to
(25:24):
be a hit piece on the way that so called
conservative media is covering January six, But I actually thought
the way it read it actually sounded super logical on
many different levels. I think so too, And it was
great to be in such a good company, including you
guys who thank you, and Tucker and others. You know,
we because we have been running counter to the official
(25:46):
regime narrative and in many instances, and the Sickney cases one, unfortunately,
we have been right. Yeah, and I knew that a reason.
I knew that this these new charges dropping, the charges
were coming, and I knew that. That's why the New
York Times tried to sneer me as somehow downplaying what
happened to Brian sick Nick. Well, now you've been proven
(26:08):
right again. So that's part of what the New York
Times does. So that was their their predicate for publishing that.
Speaking of Julie Kelly political commentating, your commentator contributed to
American Greatness, author of January sixth, how Democrats use the
capital protest to launch a war on terror against the
political right, Julie, to that end, about the weaponization here
(26:31):
against the political right and disloyal opposition from the government.
You saw that Washington Post piece. I'm sure that is
trying to at least create the perception, maybe the belief
that Donald Trump himself may be charged. You mentioned the
possible insurrection seditious insurrection charge against him, or conspiracy to
(26:52):
commit insurrection, whatever it is that however they're going to
phrase it. Do you think they actually might do this, Julie,
I mean, that's what a client are going back and
forth all this. You think they'll pull the trigger on
this and come what may from just what this would
do to the country. Well, first, I want to know
who thinks the DOJ is going to charge that? Okay, So, Julie,
my argument is if the DOJ charges Hunter Biden, which
(27:16):
I think they will, that they're going to use that
as political cover to potentially charge Trump, and they'll say,
whether you are the son of the president or the
former president, Justice demands that we pursue it, no matter
who the defendant might be. So my theory is they
may use Hunter Biden charges as cover to charge Trump
(27:36):
with conspiracy. Interesting, that's what I said, I thought about it.
But what do you think about them just charging Trump? Period?
Do you think they might do it under any circumstance?
Ninety nine point nine percent absolutely confident that this DOJ
is going to indict him. This is the purpose of
the January sixth Committee is to build a public and
(27:58):
political case against Donald Trump, especially related to the alleged
two alleged militia groups. This DJ has not been held
accountable for repeatedly lying in court into a grand jury
about what happened on January sixth. These judges in DC
are letting DJ get away with anything. So I'm confident
(28:21):
that if Matthew Brais, the DCUs attorney and Biden champaign advisor,
is presenting information to a grand jury made up of
DC residents city of course that voted almost ninety four
percent for Joe Biden, they'd be chomping at the bit
to indict Donald Trump for anything, including this exceedingly rare
charge of seditious conspiracy, a charge no American has ever
(28:42):
been convicted of. And the last time DJ even tried
to prosecute anyone with seditious conspiracy in twenty eleven, federal
judge in Michigan tossed the charges out of court. That's
how unusual and rare discount is. Julie, what do you
think the timing would be on bringing If you're ninety
nine point nine percent certain that arges are going to come,
when do you think the DJ would bring them? I
(29:05):
would guess sometimes September. I believe this will probably be
the October surprise. It will be the latest DOJ October
surprise to interfere in an election and there's nothing to
stop them. Julie, Kelly Craig call it a shot here
in the upper deck. My friend, she's about to see
Swig in the back too. That's a big call to
make October surprise Trump gets indicted, Julie, we appreciate you.
(29:29):
How can people who want to and I've done this myself,
so I would encourage everyone out there listening to do
it as well. How can people donate so that these
January sixth defendants can have legal representation to help them
fight the charges that they are all facing. How can
people help them get better attorneys? Well, Klay, thank you
(29:49):
for that. As you've donated to Patriot Freedom Project. It
is a fun that is helping to pay for lawyers
and the financial burden of families who are ensnared in
this abuse of prosecution. I also would ask people to
check out George tinius'sum gives end Go account because he's
really been destroyed to support this narrative about Brian Sicknick.
(30:10):
And so those are two places. People who want to
help financially, or even if they can't, send a letter
to some of the detainees. I know that it's greatly appreciated, Julie.
Fantastic work. As always, we appreciate the time, and we
will keep you on the dial here as these January
six prosecutions continue. All right, guys, thank you so much. Truly.
(30:33):
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Sexton Show close an Out hour two. You thought that
(31:58):
my prediction on hunter By getting indicted was maybe aggressive, Buck,
How about Julie Kelly right there? Ninety nine point nine
percent chance she said that Donald Trump will be indicted
for this seditious conspiracy charge in her mind that the
(32:18):
Washington Post wrote about last night. If you haven't read it,
that's a pretty aggressive I mean, she's been right. Let's
be honest on a lot of these January sixth, related stories. Well,
let's just think about what they've already done. They managed
and are unrepentant about it, to push a Russia collusion
(32:39):
narrative that was the dominant news story from twenty sixteen.
Really basically up until the pandemic, the biggest news story
in America and really in the world was the complete
and utter fabrication, the lie that Donald Trump worked with
Putin and the Kremlin to steal the twenty sixteen election
(33:01):
from Hillary. And what we've seen since then is that
they are just upset, not that they destroyed their credibility
in places like CNN, engaged in journalistic self immolation, but
that it didn't work quite as well as they had hoped.
They did manage to use it as a weapon against
(33:21):
the Trump administration, that big lie against Trump. So Clay,
we have to stop and look at this and say
to ourselves, they've shown us who they are. I mean,
if you're really willing to believe that Donald Trump was
part of some Russian conspiracy to change people, believe that
they changed votes in the voting machines. Remember, questioning elections
(33:42):
when Democrats win is literally treason. But when they were
saying that Trump didn't win the election, and Hillary was
even still months and months after she had lost, saying
that she didn't really buy it. That's just fine, man,
that's just safeguarding our democratic processes. The thing with Democrats
you always have to remember is they have no integrity
(34:03):
to protect on these things. Gives them a lot of movement,
a lot of latitude. I was surprised that Merrick Garland
set for this interview. Lester Holt questioned the Attorney General
Merrick Garland about the idea of prosecuting Trump and what
it would do to the country. Listen to Merrick Garland's
answer right here. This is NBC News. Lester Holt questioning
(34:27):
Merrick Garland. You said in no in certain terms the
other day, that no one is above the law. That said,
the indictment of a former president of perhaps candidate for president,
would arguably tear the country apart. Is that your concern
as you make your decision down the road here do
you have to think about things like that? Look, we
(34:49):
pursue justice without fear or favor. We intend to hold
everyone anyone who was criminally irresponsible for and surrounding January six,
for any attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of
power from one administration to another accountable. That's what we do.
(35:10):
We don't pay any attention to other issues with respect
to that. I think he's setting the table buck. I'm
just gonna say it, Hunter Biden's going to be the
fall guy for Democrats. Forces Joe Biden potentially out of running,
creates a mess, and then they are able to argue
no favor. You just heard him say it. There. We're
going to go after the truth no matter who the defend.
(35:32):
So to be clear, you think that the Biden or
rather the Democrat apparatus, wants to take both these players
off the chessboard. Biden because if his son gets indicted,
he's going to have to pardon him or commute him,
and he's going to be too wounded as a political
candidate to go forward and Trump. Yes, you think they
don't want to just clear out the chessboard a little bit,
They want to flip it over and knock all the
(35:53):
pieces off. Well. I think Democrats know that Biden is
an awful candidate, so I don't think they have any
issue now with throwing him to the wolds. And Hunter
Biden is testimony to that testament to that, and then
you look at Trump. They definitely still want Trump. I
think the only way you can charge Trump is if
Hunter Biden gets charged first. I think your odds of
a Biden Hunter Biden prosecution are one in ten. I
(36:17):
think the odds that they actually try this thing against Trump,
I'm feeling like it's a fifty to fifty at this point. Man.
They might just be crazy enough. That's interesting. I think
Hunter Biden's more likely to get charged than Trump. I
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