November 22, 2022 • 48 mins
Hit the Road, Fauc, Don't You Jab Us No More, No More! FL Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo: It's Time to Transcend Fear. VP Pence on Biden Admin: I Knew They'd Be Bad... I Didn't Know They'd Be This Bad, This Fast. What Do You Think of the University of Idaho Murders?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. We're gonna tell you about the Foucci
low lights that he just gave his last public pronouncements today.
They're absolutely terrible, but just a bit of quick housekeeping.
Charles Marie Gustave Lebon was born in eighteen forty one,
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so it was mid nineteenth century he was born, and
he actually he lived on nineteen thirty one. He wrote
The Crowd. He wrote a Psychology of Revolution, a lot
of really inner but The Crowd, a study of the
popular mind, is the one that he is most famous for,
where he talks about chants and slogans and the mob
mentality and basically the Democrat Party before it really was
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the Democrat Party of today. So that's well worth it
for anybody who's looking for some light pre Thanksgiving reading.
Clay just throwing that out there. And we've got Foucci
telling everybody all of the place that they need to
mask up. And I know you shared this on Twitter
a few moments ago. Everybody, he's still telling you to
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get a COVID test before Thanksgiving dinner. People that went
along with this guy and defended him and said that
he was a genius and a hero should be ashamed.
I mean they should feel deeply embarrassed, you know. But
Clay people have different Oh, it's in. We've got some
of it. Oh boy, let's play which one do we have?
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I want to do? We have the first one here,
Let's do the one where he says that you should
get a COVID test before Thanksgiving. We're not talking about
this in twenty twenty twenty. I mean, this is crazy.
This has just happened in the White House, Fauci telling
you you may want to get a COVID test before
Thanksgiving dinner. First of all, everybody should be vaccinated and
boosted with flu and with COVID, whether or not you
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wear a mask or Another thing we shouldn't underestimate is testing.
So when we're gathering at a family gathering for Thanksgiving,
or for Christmas, or for any other holiday. As we
get into the winter, it makes sense that you might
want to get a test that day before you come
into a place in which you might be infected and
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spreaded or other people who might be there, in order
to protect. So this masking is important. But you can
count masking vaccine boosting testing. All of that is part
of the spectrum of protecting yourself. None of that stuff
does anything that's going to stop anybody from getting COVID.
By the way, we all know this. We've been through
this now, Clay, he is a vile sociopath. I mean,
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this is I also think it undermines people's faith in
government in general, in our federal bureaucracy, specifically that this
could be the highest paid federal employee, be a celebrated
person by the media and he's awful. I mean, this
is something he's never apologized or said he was wrong once.
He is wrong about everything and should apologize for everything,
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but instead he's riding off into the sunset like big
checks for his memoirs. Yeah, and the question that I
would have, first of all, what percentage of people do
you think are testing or wearing masks to their thanksgivinggether?
But even what would be the point? So is he
telling people? You know, if you're a Rachel Maddow watching
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five five Ukraine flags and pronouns in the biolib are
you gonna be like, well, you know, unless unless somebody
gets the test this year, they can't come to my
Thanksgiving dinner. You know they can't eat the big toe
furky that I've made for everybody, Like what is this?
And also the question I would have. I mean, look,
I think everything that he said in that clip we
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just played is utterly ridiculous. But when would he say
that ends? So for the flu is not going away. Never,
COVID is not going away, So does he? I mean,
that's the question. So for the rest of our lives,
doctor Fauci, you are saying that you believe people should
wear masks and test for COVID before they go to
Thanksgiving dinner or to hang out with people for Christmas.
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I mean, I just I wish that you know they've
they've kept him away. Honestly, the only people that I've seen,
the exception of Rand Paul, who get access to Fauci
are completely worthless and don't ask him any real questions.
I'm just gonna say it. I mean, if somebody, if
Faucci has been willing to sit down with you, certainly
in the last year, maybe in the last eighteen months,
it's because you're weak on what's actually happened here. I
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have never seen him subjected to an interview. Rand Paul's different, obviously,
that's the Senate, But I mean the media sense. He
has evaded every serious interview with real accountability, and that's
it's obvious why he's done it, because Clay, think about this,
So when should you wear a mask? Exactly? Because it's
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gonna be flu and COVID season basically from now until
the middle of March, So you're gonna wear a cloth. Oh,
by the way, cloth masks don't work, which every data
set that you can find shows and ninety five masks
don't really work either. Folks, you know that wasn't true either.
Double asking certainly doesn't work. So what are we even
talking about here? Moreover, Buck, if you're going to Thanksgiving,
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you're going to eat so presumably in his mask up
between bites to your point. Absolutely, I mean, like what,
I don't even understand that argument. And he's telling people
we've got a mask. Quote this is not from twenty
to twenty or twenty twenty one. Fauci just now in
the White House said, if you go into a room,
we're gonna play this for you and you're the only
person with a mask, you should be feel good about yourself.
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You look great. Listen to this you say about the
word mask now being a pejorative and some commando it
shouldn't be. I mean, you're absolutely right. I mean, I
know sometimes when you walk in and you have a
mask and nobody has a mask, you kind of feel guilty.
You shouldn't feel guilty. You look terrific. I mean, I
mean we're at a point now if someone is if
someone is going into places where unless you know, honestly,
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even if they have a health issue, does mask don't work.
So if someone's wearing a mask at this point, they
either have a level of anxiety that they're not able
to control, or they're just ignorant of the actual data
sets with masking. Those are the only options at this point.
There is no third option. And I'm seeing people, like
I watched football over the weekend, Buck, there are people
going to football games outdoors and wearing masks. I mean,
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I just I'm going to Michigan, Ohio State this weekend.
There are going to be some people sitting in a
hundred thousand seat Buckeye Stadium wearing masks. I've given up.
On airlines, there's what like fifteen twenty percent of people
are still wearing masks on airlines. It is scientifically as
valid as a toddler keeping their blankie because it'll scare
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the monsters away. It's absurd and and that's how adults
should actually view it. Now, it's not at all. We've
gotta no no, because remember anyone who's out there still
masking with overwhelming that I won't say everybody, but generally speaking,
people are out there still masking. If they could, they
make you mask too. We saw that. So this isn't
a live and let lifting. This is take the stupid
mask off your face. It's ridiculous. That's where I'll try
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to bring it back. I mean the stories up at
HHS today that they would try to bring back masks.
I'm telling you a lot of you listening to us
right now, LA's talking about doing it. You may and
your poor kids. You may well before this winner is out,
if COVID players back up, they're going to be trying
to get you to put masks back. I'm gonna be
on our flight back to back to New York tomorrow.
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I've been down in Florida. I'm gonna be taking a
flight back New York tomorrow. You know, I think I'm
just gonna take a you know, a distance, one of
those sort of distant selfies, like a Bradley Cooper at
the Oscars, except they'll be, you know, near the front
of the plane. I mean, I don't fly first class
because I'm not fancy, but you know, I like to
try to be near the emergency exit. And that's always
funny to people. People Sometimes seeing me, they're like, aren't
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you Buck from the Clay and Buck Show. I'm like yeah,
and they look at me like, interesting, You're you're next
to the bathroom in like row twenty seventy eight. I'm like,
that's right, that's right. I fly southwest, Buck. There is
no first class, you know. I know you flew southway.
You flew southwest of Patriot Wars. That's how Clay rolls too,
because come on, we're just trying to get where. We're
getting the easiest way to get somewhere. Now. Sometimes I
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will hop on a little charter to get in and
out of a college town when it's hard to get into.
But I had to call that play force one or
is that not? Do they put a little decal on
the side for you? I have not. I you know,
I rush had a big plane, right, I'm hoping that
one day I'll have a plane too, that's my goal. Yeah.
He a a superplane. Um yeah, anyway, I just say
it about the plane. I want to take a photo
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because I'm going back to New York tomorrow from Florida.
So this is a particular route. I know this route
very well, going back to be you know, in New
York City and spending Thanksgiving with the fan, and I
think there will be I think it'll be fifteen to
twenty percent mask up tomorrow. That's my guests on the plane.
That's what I think, which is sad for those. I mean,
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I flew Nashville to Fort Lauderdale and I was stunned
at how many people I saw still wearing masks on
the airplanes. Now, it wasn't a huge number because I'm
going from a free state to a free state, but
it wasn't zero. I mean, there were still a lot
of people wearing masks on airplanes and at the airport.
I mean, I would put this out there. I mean,
the only you know, if you're a senior citizen with
health risks, the same way that senior citizens are advised
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to maybe get a flu shot because okay, maybe there's
some downside but you know, even a little bit of help,
even if reduces your risk maybe five or ten percent.
So I'll cut senior citizens out of the conversation about
masking a little bit here, even though I don't think
it really helps them. But I get it, Like you know,
you're at that age you want to avoid getting sick,
and maybe you think it helps you a little bit.
Anybody under fifty with a mask on, I just like
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I said, I just think they have other anxiety disorder
or aren't familiar with the data. I don't know what
else to say at this point, because it's just an
impossible case to make. Their brains are broken, and Fauci
has made it worse. And and Ali, our producer, saying,
you know, up in New York City subway still packed
with tons of people wearing masks. And I remember my
wife saying this. I thought she was crazy. She said,
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master never going away. And I feel like that's the truth. Now.
I don't think masks are ever going to leave in
the United States again. Well, because the moment that people
stop wearing them there was the moment a lot of
people realize they never should have warned them. Yep, And
it's it's about the ego involved of accepting that you
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were wrong, Like you know, I'm I'm still upset that
I said I didn't say stochastic properly yesterday. You can
imagine if I've been wearing an un ninety five mask
and super uncomfortable for two years for no reason. Clay,
you know, yeah, that's a tough one. I think that's
why they're never going away. Sadly, but we should have
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adults telling people, hey, it's safe, you don't need to
do this. Instead we got fouch you doing the opposite,
saying you look fantastic wearing your mask. It's a good
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General doctor Joseph Latipo with us now. He's got a
book out, Transcend Fear, a blueprint for Blueprint for Mindful
Leadership in Public Health, which's been out for a couple
of months, Doctor Latipo. Honor to have you on, sir.
Thanks for making time for us. Hey, thanks for having
me on. I'm happy to be with you guys right
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before Thanksgiving. Yes, sir, and one thing we are not
thankful for is doctor Anthony Fauci's leadership during the pandemic.
You may have seen him giving his farewell speech of
sorts today from the White House. What is I mean?
You're a Harvard trained MD, You're the surgeon general of
the state of Florida. You've looked at the data for
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your state of over twenty million people extensively. When doctor
Fauci says that you should be proud to mask up
when you walk into places, that people should consider masking,
that they should all get the vaccine. The vaccine will
keep anyone from dying. And there's a whole lot more
we could say. What do you say as a medical professional?
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I say that I am stunned by doctor Fauci's inability
to adapt to data. You know, in his comments he
said something about how it's too bad that people aren't
getting these COVID nineteen vaccines, or for the people who aren't,
most people have, but for the people who aren't he
hates to see them get infected. Well, then he really
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ought not want them to get because, as every as
very plainly clear, their protection from infection wanes rapidly, and
that he's still not acknowledging that and still playing mask
you know, charade mask. I don't know. Whatever this silly
masquerade is with masks is just it's a it's a
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testament of why he cannot leave fast enough. Doctor Latipo,
appreciate you joining us. This is clay. Doctor Fauci also
said that he thinks people should test for COVID before
they get together with their friends and family for Thanksgiving.
It is two days until Thanksgiving. I can guarantee you
that the Travis family will not be testing before we
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have Thanksgiving dinner. You've got I think two kids, maybe three.
Will the Lattipo family, you are obviously in a steam physician,
will you be doing COVID tests before you sit down
for Thanksgiving dinner? The only thing is going to be
tested this week is going to be my patience because
our three boys are going to be running all around
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with you know, pomps full of yummy pumpkin pie from
my wife and all that good stuff. You know, it's
really sad. It's just a he has a right to
believe that, of course, but it's just a testament to
how sad his vision of life is. I mean, you
can't just enjoy the beautiful time with people you love
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and care about you have to think of about testing
and what maybe even masking or who knows whatever whatever
else he's suggesting before Thanksgiving. It's sad, and yeah, I
feel in some ways I feel bad for him that
that's how he sees Thanksgiving. I mean it's sad. Speaking
of Florida, certain general doctor Latipo and his book is
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Transcend Fear, a Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health.
Actor Latipo have a lot of doctors come forward. I mean,
I would assume it's easier for them in Florida than
there is in other places. I'm in Florida right now,
and said that they're going to stand against some of
the madness, that they're not going to pretend like the
establishment experts got everything right, and that we should all
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still go into every hospital with a little cloth mask
on all the time and all this stuff. I mean,
have you seen a change in the mentality of a
lot of your fellow physicians over let's say the last
year or so, as we've really seen everything that we
were told by the Fauci apparatus and the Biden administration
just not actually happen. I mean, everything fell apart. I'm
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going to give you what I think might be a
surprising answer, and that answers no. And what the reason
it's know is because it's not new. Most of the
doctors over the past year who have opposed these policies,
they haven't changed. They've known that we've done many trials
of masks and they just have generally not been effective.
They've known that the vaccines aren't doing a good job
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at preventing infection, but they are afraid to speak because
of the repercussions. And that's that's really the issue, that's
what's behind it, and there are consequences, and it's it's
a very real thing. You've got boards of medicine trying
to strip doctors of their license, not because of anything
they did with their clinical care, but because they said
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the quote unquote wrong thing on Facebook or Twitter. And
that's the reality. That's the reality that physicians are living with.
I'm sure you're familiar with the California law that was
passed restricting essentially threatening to punish doctors for saying the
wrong things about one specific issue, which is COVID nineteen.
So unfortunately, no, people's opinions haven't changed. But even more unfortunately,
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a lot of doctors who are totally opposed to what
doctor Fauchisman saying are still afraid to speak up. Doctor Latipo,
I'm sure you have seen speaking on that fear. California
has tried to pass a law and you moved from
California to the free state of Florida, if I remember correctly,
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California is trying to pass a law that could create
consequences for medical professionals who speak out against whatever the
preferred sciences at the moment. I'm just curious in general.
You probably remember when Fauci said, I am the science.
Isn't science about questioning everything? How quickly have we forgotten
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that that's the primary goal of scientists is to rigorously
question everything less you believe things that are untrue. And
how scary is it that we're trying to pass laws
now to essentially keep medical professionals from ever questioning the
consensus opinion. Well, it's terrible, It's terrible, and that is
exactly I mean that is at the core of science,
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is asking questions and debating and bringing evidence and seeing
how things shake out. Being curious that those are core
tenets of science and of their things that motivated people
like me and many other people to pursue science, and
unfortunately what's happening in California is they're trying to rewrite
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reality to match their dystopian fantasy. And that's essentially what's happening,
and hopefully people will just realize that it's total nonsense
that they're doing there. It's being a doctor Joseph Latipost,
Surgeon General of the Data Florida, and doctor Latipo if
somebody was willing to, let's say, somebody out there thinks,
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you know, wearing two masks, because because Fauci says two
masks are great, it's going to keep them safe. But
they're at least willing to look at what data you
have access to say, when it came to mask mandates
in schools, we're two years into this, What could you
point them to? What could you tell them about the
real numbers that you saw in Florida during now two
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full years of data collection when it came to schools
that required masks versus schools that did not. The Florida
data has definitely been supportive of the fact that in
schools these masks are doing basically nothing. And there are
other studies as a doctor in California, doctor Tracy Hog,
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that's done a ton of research on masks. She's debunked
one of the CDC studies where the CDC reported that
the masks were effective when they compared a couple of
school stricks. But then you'll she looked and found it basically. Actually,
if you look further, they were only it only looked
that way because of the specific period of time to
the CDC. Look, why did they look during that time? Only?
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Who knows? It's not that they were trying to put
their finger on the scale, is it. So it's really nonsense.
The air goes around guys, if you're in a room,
whether you wear the mask or not, the air is
coming out. And there's even a randomized clinical trial that
shows harms, believe it or not, harms associated with cloth
mask and healthcare workers. So it's it's it's just a
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total barrel of nonsense, just complete nonsense, this mask obsession.
And they cannot die soon enough. But unfortunately, many of
my colleagues are trying to revive it this winter. Yeah,
and so that's the question that Buck and I have
been asking, how does this end? And that's the question
we would ask Fauci, if he would ever come on
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with us. You're saying, hey, this holiday season, I believe
this is now the third Thanksgiving we've had basically since
COVID started. If I'm doing the math correctly, Fauci saying,
you still need to take a COVID test, you should
still be wearing masks. If you're doing this in year
three of COVID, how does it ever end? Will it
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ever end? And are you concerned? I think you are
just based on the way that you answer that question,
doctor Latipo, that we can't just live and let live,
because the people who are still wearing masks, if they could,
would demand that all of us wear masks, including two
and three year olds, the minute that they have the
power to do so. Well, you're you are dead on there,
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There's no question about that. And I think people, first
of all, I think people just need to really be
acquainted comfortable with the scientific data from clinical trials. These
these advocates always point to these observational studies of the
CDC quotes, but clinical trials are really the gold standard,
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and these masks have done terrible almost in all of
these clinical trials. So people need to feel comfortable first
of all, that they really on a scientific basis, they're
doing little to nothing. And then the second part is
just deciding that you're not going to participate in these charades.
And that's what needs to happen. And I think if
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enough of us do that, they'll they'll stop trying to
work their weasel their way back in with their mask
recommendations which later become strong recommendations, which later become mandates
and all the nonsense that we've seen over the past
two years. Florida certain General doctor Latipo his book Transcend Fear,
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A Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health. Doctor Latipo,
thanks for being with us. Hey, thanks so much, guys.
Happy Thanksgiving guys, you too, no doubt, happy Thanksgiving to
you as well. And thank goodness that if you live
in Florida you're still going to have some freedom. But
about how crazy this is, there is no end to
this COVID insanity, which is why Buck and I continue
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to hammer it here, because they're coming for you. They're
coming for you with masks, they're coming for you with
the vaccine mandates. As soon as these things come up
again in terms of cases, they are going to chase
you and they are going to demand that you submit.
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Tune in every day to the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show two days until Thanksgiving. If you find yourself
traveling across the country around the world, hope you're safe
and we appreciate you listening. We are thankful for all
of you. We're joined now by former Vice President Mike Pence,
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who's got a new book out that is being well received.
And as we start with you, mister Vice President, I
appreciate you giving us the time we've been talking. Faucci,
just thanks for having me on. Yeah, no doubt. The
book is so help me God. Released earlier this month.
Fauci just had his final press conference as he is
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in the process of retiring. I'm sure you knew that
that was going on. We were just talking about it.
Everything in twenty in hindsight is often twenty twenty in retrospect.
What could you and the Trump White House have done
better to not allow doctor Fauci to what I think
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is quite frankly, drive us right off the cliff of insanity.
In terms of how we should respond to COVID, he
said that people should still feel very proud if they're
wearing masks. He said that as you get ready together
with Thanksgiving family, that continuing to get COVID tests could
make sense. Those are just some of the things he said,
not years ago, but just a few minutes ago at
the White House. Would you any regrets? Do you have
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anything that you would change about doctor Fauci in particular
and COVID? Well, first, just let me say what a
what a privilege it is to be on with with
both of you, A great fan of the show, Thank
you and uh and and was honored to have the
opportunity to write my autobiography, So help Me God. That
came out about a week ago. It's the story of
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growing up here in Indiana. It's a story of of
of you know, being raised by a combat veteran and
a first generation Irish American, starting out as a Democrat,
joining the Republican Revolution, and then m through through decisions
that I made, beginning with the decision to put my
faith in Jesus Christ, the decision to marry Kare and Pence.
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We were able to serve and advance the Conservative agenda
and the Congress and the governorship here in Indiana, and
then as Vice President. I'm incredibly proud of the record
of our administration, and I'm proud of what the American
people accomplished during COVID. Guys. There's a couple of chapters
in my book, in one of which is entitled Only
in America, where I really pay tribute to the extraordinary
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compassion of our healthcare workers, the extraordinary generosity and innovation
of American businesses. I mean, from the time I was
I was tapped to leave the White House Coronavirus Task Force, Guys,
I was really inspired by what the American people were doing.
But in those early days, you know, when I became
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the leader of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, it
was a fairly small group. The President organized it a
week a month earlier, and it included doctor Tony Fauci
and some other medical experts that would grow. But one
of the first decisions that I made was to add
the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Agriculture, Larry
Cudlow on our economic team, because I knew that the
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advice that we were going to give the president could
not just be, you know, the advice of the clinical doctors.
It had to be balanced and take in the whole
interest of the American people. And and as as I write,
and so help me god. Um, you know, in those
early days, I know that doctor Fauci, when when we
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didn't know what was coming, when we didn't understand the disease,
and Americans were anxious, we were reinventing testing, we were
manufacturing billions of supplies and and you know, over one
hundred thousand ventilators in a hundred days. I think in
those early days, doctor Fauci was a comfort to millions
of Americans. And uh and and he always stayed in
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his lane. That's how I put it in my book.
I mean, he was invariably the first person to say, look,
I'll give you the scientist's perspective, but I understand the
President's got to consider a lot more. And that was
one of the reasons why, you know, one month into
our efforts to essentially buy time and slow the spread. Um,
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we worked to open up America again and Mike when
did you realize that that Fauci was actually a partisan
and the absolute worst than hoping to deep six the
presidency that you were a part of. Well, early on,
I must tell you I didn't perceive it that way.
In fact, I thought President Trump and Fauci as a
couple of old New Yorkers h you know, had had
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a good working relationship. But things began to shift, you know,
toward the end. And I must tell you it grieves
my heart that the Biden administration lost more Americans in
their first year with COVID with all of the tools
that we left behind, including vaccines, more Americans than we
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lost in our first year when we, for the most part,
had none of those tools. But I do think it
is part and parcel of the Biden administration essentially putting
doctor Fauci in charge of the national response. You know,
there's the old saying that you know, when when you're
holding a hammer, everything's a nail. And I wasn't I
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wasn't surprised that the Biden administration abandoned our commitment to
you know, therapeutics, abandon our commitment to opening up states
around the country, and and largely turned all of its
focus on vaccines and ultimately and wrongly mandated vaccines for
Americans that was partially turned aside by the conservative majority
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on the Supreme Court. So and as I said, I think, uh,
you know it was it saddens me that the Biden
administration in so many ways squandered the progress that we made.
And uh, and putting doctor Fauci in the lead of
the Biden administration's response, I think explains their focus on
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on concentrating everything in Washington, concentrating everything on vaccines, ultimately
mandating vaccines, instead of taking the whole of America federalist
approach that we took in our administration. Where was being
the former vice president Mike Pennson's got a new book out,
So help me God, I was President Pennce tell us this.
You know, the midterm election, there were some bright spots,
(31:06):
there were the votes in the aggregate, but there wasn't
the red wave that we needed. And it seemed that
there were a number of points of failure. Might be
too strong a word for some people, but I think
for others it's not strong enough. Clearly there were some
problems and some places we came up short. How do
we fix that? Well, guys, look there, thanks for saying
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you're the first. You're the first show not surprisingly that
said that there was a red wave some places. I mean,
you'll look you look at at the governors or re
elections in places like Texas, in Florida, in Georgia where
they had probably the most formidable Democrat candidate in the country,
and Stacy Abrons raised one hundred million dollars in Governor
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Brian Kemp, you know, one decisively in the fall. And
my friend Leezelden came up short in New York, but
he actually brought with him four new Republicans elected to
Congress from his state of New York. That could be
our new margin of a Republican majority. So I really
do believe there were there were pockets, there were places,
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and the common denominator to me, guys, is that, you know,
candidates that were focused on the future, that were focused
on the challenges facing the American people today, which are
border security and crime and record inflation and high gasoline prices.
Candidates that were focused on the future did quite well,
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but candidly, those campaigns that were focused on the past,
including relitigating the past, did not fare as well. Then
we're talking to former Vice President Mike Penns. His book
out last week, So Help Me God. Donald Trump announced
on Tuesday of last week, same day your book came out,
in the evening, he announced that he was going to
be running for president in twenty twenty four. I know
(32:57):
that there were several people speaking out in Las Vegas
who might be interested in potentially running in twenty twenty
four as well. You are among those. When would you
think is the right time for you to officially decide
if you are or are not going to run in
twenty twenty four. What kind of timeline do you have
(33:18):
in terms of making that decision. Well, first, I'm I'm
always humbled to be asked, and early in my career,
as I write in the book, So Help Me God,
back in twenty ten, I had unfer national office. I
ultimately prayed through it with my wife, spoke to friends,
(33:38):
and we felt called to come home here in Indiana
and serve as governor of this great state. And that
decision was, you know, one of the great honors of
my life and led to opportunities to serve as as
your vice president as well. So you know, what I
can tell you is that you know, with two inactive
duty military in our immediate family, we actually haven't been
(33:59):
together for the last three years. But this Christmas, everybody's
going to be home in Indiana, and Karen and I
are going to take time as we always have, to
sit down with our kids, their spouses and talk to
friends and continue to listen to the American people. And
I always tell people there's two kinds of people in politics.
There's people that are driven and people that are called.
(34:22):
And if you reach so help me God, you'll you'll
hear that. I've been both. I've let my ambition get
ahead of my values in the past and the way
that as a Christian I feel called to represent myself
in the public square. But for the last twenty years,
we've we've tried to follow a calling, guys, and so
we're going to pray through it, give a careful consideration,
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and sometime after the first of the year, we'll just
discern what our next calling might be. But I promised
to keep Clay Travis and Buck Sexton posted thank you.
I appreciate that, do you And as part of that,
do you think Joe Biden will run? Do you think
he should run for reelection? And does his choice in
(35:03):
any way impact your own choice. Well, the thing I'll
tell you emphatically is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris should
not be reelected as President and Vice president. I no doubt, guys,
I knew they'd be bad. I didn't know they'd be
this bad this fast. But then again, you know, I mean,
literally from day one, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have
(35:26):
been dismantling the very policies that created the prosperity, the
border security, of the strength of our economy that we
had in those first three years of the Trump pens administration.
I mean, they literally a gusher of spending that launched
the worst inflation in forty years of war on energy
(35:49):
after we achieved energy independence that has now set in
motion that gasoline prices through the WORF going into a
Thanksgiving weekend. And of course, what I've been down to
the southern border in Arizona many times in the last
two years, five million people have come into this country
illegally in the last two years, after we had reduced
(36:09):
illegal immigration by ninety percent. So, you know, whatever President
Biden decides to do and whatever we decide to do,
I'm going to be working my heart out to make
sure that we do not get four more years of
the disastrous record of the Biden Harris administration. We've got
(36:29):
a good start in the House of Representatives with a
new Republican majority, but the next step is to win
the Senate. When the White House win statehouses around the country,
and I believe we will. I think we're at the
beginning of a great American comeback. The book is so
help me God, Vice President Pence the author, Sir, appreciate
you being with us. We'll talk to you soon. Guys,
(36:50):
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Clay Travis said Buck Sexton Show, So I want to
(38:19):
open up phone lines here yesterday and I would encourage
you to go listen to this because I thought it
was a really interesting conversation. We had Nancy Grace on
to talk about a story that's leading the news everywhere
right now, and both Bucket, myself and probably you and
some of your family as you get close to Thanksgiving.
It's a conversation that will likely be emerging, and it
(38:41):
has to do with the quadruple murder that is as
of now unsolved from near the University of Idaho, right
off the campus there in Moscow, Idaho. And we got
a ton of feedback after that conversation that we had
with Nancy Grace yesterday. I want to open up phone
lines just these specific callers. If you are listening to
(39:05):
us in Spokane, Washington, the area kq NT AM huge
audience that we have there, we believe it extends down
into the University of Idaho area right there on the
border between Idaho and Washington. I'd like to hear, and
Buck would like to hear from people in Moscow, Idaho,
about how all of this is going down, what the
(39:29):
community is responding. There hadn't been a murder there in
seven years. Buck, and there were six people in this house.
Four of them were stabbed to death on the second
and the third floor. They still have been unable to
find alleged perpetrator, at least publicly, not a lot of
evidence in this case. There were two people on the
(39:52):
first floor. I don't know if they were in locked bedrooms.
I haven't seen the specifics about why they were not attacked.
But on the second and the third floor, four people
stabbed to death while they were sleeping. They were not found.
I don't believe buck until the next day around noon.
These are college kids. They believe the stabbing happened in
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the three to four am time area. These kids have
been out until around two in the morning. It's a
Saturday on a college campus, not uncommon at all. And
I can't stop reading about this case and or consuming
stories about this case. And I know many of you
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are the same as us. So eight hundred two eight
two two eight eight two. We didn't give people an
opportunity yesterday to react, but we would like people in
the Moscow, Idaho region in that area to let us
know what's going on and what it feels like to
be in this community where there hadn't been a murder
in seven years and suddenly there's an unsolved quadruple murder
of college kids. And you know, yesterday when we had
(40:54):
Nancy Grays on to talk about this, she said that
she would not connect the data point, if you will,
the report about a dog that had been skinned and gutted.
That was found a few weeks before this, but in
the same neighborhood. This is not a big place in Moscow, Idaho.
We said yesterday, twenty five thousand people. There's a small town.
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It's pushed right up against the border of Washington State
and you know, so it's western Idaho. And today the
police are saying that they're unrelated. But when I read
the explanation for why it's unrelated, they just said it's
wildlife activity or something. It seemed bizarre to me. And
you have to remember and this is this is just
(41:37):
the way it is, unfortunately, and instances like this where
there's a very very serious, hainous crime that happens in
a community that just has limited law enforce and resources.
The cops that are dealing with this, especially the first
ones on the scene, they're to say they're not used
to this. As a dramatic understatement, I mean, very few
cops have seen these kinds of crime scenes before. But
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there's already a lot of a lot of parting. Is
it fair or not? I don't know. Right, we're not there,
We're not able to cover this on the ground. The
people are saying that you know, tire tracks were not
preserved immediately. I mean, some rudimentary investigative mistakes seem to
have been made here, which may slow the whole process
down of even getting some sense. I mean, they have
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no idea of motive, They have no suspects that we've
even gotten an inclination about yet, and I think people
are realizing that this could be This could be a
long haul to try to get some measure of justice
for these families by finding whoever did this. I mean,
this is among the more heinous crimes anybody can think
of in recent memory. So I don't understand how why
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the dog based on the reporting, why that would be unrelated,
But apparently police are saying it is unrelated. There's just
some things that don't add up. Clay went into there
were other people in the house. How is it this
person was able to the killer was able to do
this without waking anybody. There was a dog in the
house that didn't I mean maybe they're used to Maybe
(43:02):
the dog barked a little bit, it didn't wake anybody
up because they're used to it. But the dog has
been taken away from the house. This is reporting from today.
How could somebody manage to get in. Think of the
risk of discovery that this murderer would be taking by
going into this house with a knife and one by
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one killing these individuals in their sleep. It would be
so easy for someone, including people in the house who
weren't even attacked, to cry out, just you know, to scream,
to say what's going on. It just doesn't I've I've
never looked. I don't know if anyone's ever seen anything
like this before. I've never seen anything like this, And
I asked Nancy yesterday during that interview, I don't think
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you can underrate the aspect of the murders being occurring
with a knife. That's so violent, it's so visceral. You
are right up on top of the person, and it
feels quite a lot different than say, shooting someone with
a gun from a disc Yeah. I remember I listened
to a very popular iHeartMedia podcast on the piked In
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massacre in Ohio, which I think was the second biggest
mass murder in the country in that year after the
Pulse nightclub shooting. So it was a major and it
was a dispute between two families that escalated to where
I think it was five of the family members were
killed in their sleep. They were killed with a firearm though,
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so somebody went in and killed And clearly there was
a there was a baby at one of the crime
scenes that was spared. They didn't they didn't go after
the baby. They were going after the adults and the
family was a mass murder. Five people killed. But they
used a gun and in this instance they were using
this individual was using a knife. And it cannot feel
right now, well, I mean that to that community, for example,
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they have no idea. It's not like they have a
sense of who this might be and the person's on
the run. They seemed to know nothing, which given the
national level attack mean meaning the police seemed to know
nothing about who did this. Now they could behold I know,
law enforcement officers listening to sing. Look, that could be
holding back key details. That is possible, clearly, And like
I said, we're not doing the investigation. But it doesn't
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you know how they pull all this together. They're gonna
have a lot of DNA we discussed this yesterday, a
lot of evidence at the scene, but you need the
other piece of that, meaning you need to have a
match with somebody. So if they're not in any databases,
really tough to know who you're looking for. And also, again,
if you're living in that community eight hundred two a
two two eight two, it's unlikely that someone just suddenly
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snaps and stabs for people to death. So is this
a vagrant? Was this a crime where someone is moving through?
Are there any other crimes that are somewhat similar that
could be connected to this one in the region, in
the area. To me, this is this is one of
those stories. I'm not surprised at all that it is
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receiving the amount of attention it does, and is that
it's opening many different newscasts right now because this is
the mystery the likes of which we frankly just do
not see very often in this country. So again, we'll
take some of your calls in the next segment. I'd
like for people in that region to give us a
sense for the community and the community's response so far.
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Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. Maybe Also,
if you're an investigator, a criminal profiler based on we've
got a huge, huge law enforce and community that listens.
If you have any and just any insight you can
offer to us. You know, the only investigations I ever
did were counter terrorism, which is obviously very different from this.
We'd love to hear from you guys as well, in
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the event that you could help to analyze this based
on what you do for your profession. One eight hundred
two eight two two eight A two. We will take
your calls. We're also going to be speaking with doctor
Latipo from Florida, the Surgeon General, who has helped to
drive what is the best response I think on a
state based in the state of Florida to COVID. What
does he think of the comments made by doctor Fauci
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and doctor jaw today in the White House Press briefing.
We will talk with him in the third hour of
the program as we continue to move towards Thanksgiving. We're
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. We're gonna tell you about the Foucci
low lights that he just gave his last public pronouncements today.
They're absolutely terrible, but just a bit of quick housekeeping.
Charles Marie Gustave Lebon was born in eighteen forty one,
(00:22):
so it was mid nineteenth century he was born, and
he actually he lived on nineteen thirty one. He wrote
The Crowd. He wrote a Psychology of Revolution, a lot
of really inner but The Crowd, a study of the
popular mind, is the one that he is most famous for,
where he talks about chants and slogans and the mob
mentality and basically the Democrat Party before it really was
(00:46):
the Democrat Party of today. So that's well worth it
for anybody who's looking for some light pre Thanksgiving reading.
Clay just throwing that out there. And we've got Foucci
telling everybody all of the place that they need to
mask up. And I know you shared this on Twitter
a few moments ago. Everybody, he's still telling you to
(01:07):
get a COVID test before Thanksgiving dinner. People that went
along with this guy and defended him and said that
he was a genius and a hero should be ashamed.
I mean they should feel deeply embarrassed, you know. But
Clay people have different Oh, it's in. We've got some
of it. Oh boy, let's play which one do we have?
(01:28):
I want to do? We have the first one here,
Let's do the one where he says that you should
get a COVID test before Thanksgiving. We're not talking about
this in twenty twenty twenty. I mean, this is crazy.
This has just happened in the White House, Fauci telling
you you may want to get a COVID test before
Thanksgiving dinner. First of all, everybody should be vaccinated and
boosted with flu and with COVID, whether or not you
(01:52):
wear a mask or Another thing we shouldn't underestimate is testing.
So when we're gathering at a family gathering for Thanksgiving,
or for Christmas, or for any other holiday. As we
get into the winter, it makes sense that you might
want to get a test that day before you come
into a place in which you might be infected and
(02:13):
spreaded or other people who might be there, in order
to protect. So this masking is important. But you can
count masking vaccine boosting testing. All of that is part
of the spectrum of protecting yourself. None of that stuff
does anything that's going to stop anybody from getting COVID.
By the way, we all know this. We've been through
this now, Clay, he is a vile sociopath. I mean,
(02:36):
this is I also think it undermines people's faith in
government in general, in our federal bureaucracy, specifically that this
could be the highest paid federal employee, be a celebrated
person by the media and he's awful. I mean, this
is something he's never apologized or said he was wrong once.
He is wrong about everything and should apologize for everything,
(02:58):
but instead he's riding off into the sunset like big
checks for his memoirs. Yeah, and the question that I
would have, first of all, what percentage of people do
you think are testing or wearing masks to their thanksgivinggether?
But even what would be the point? So is he
telling people? You know, if you're a Rachel Maddow watching
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five five Ukraine flags and pronouns in the biolib are
you gonna be like, well, you know, unless unless somebody
gets the test this year, they can't come to my
Thanksgiving dinner. You know they can't eat the big toe
furky that I've made for everybody, Like what is this?
And also the question I would have. I mean, look,
I think everything that he said in that clip we
(03:38):
just played is utterly ridiculous. But when would he say
that ends? So for the flu is not going away. Never,
COVID is not going away, So does he? I mean,
that's the question. So for the rest of our lives,
doctor Fauci, you are saying that you believe people should
wear masks and test for COVID before they go to
Thanksgiving dinner or to hang out with people for Christmas.
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I mean, I just I wish that you know they've
they've kept him away. Honestly, the only people that I've seen,
the exception of Rand Paul, who get access to Fauci
are completely worthless and don't ask him any real questions.
I'm just gonna say it. I mean, if somebody, if
Faucci has been willing to sit down with you, certainly
in the last year, maybe in the last eighteen months,
it's because you're weak on what's actually happened here. I
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have never seen him subjected to an interview. Rand Paul's different, obviously,
that's the Senate, But I mean the media sense. He
has evaded every serious interview with real accountability, and that's
it's obvious why he's done it, because Clay, think about this,
So when should you wear a mask? Exactly? Because it's
(04:43):
gonna be flu and COVID season basically from now until
the middle of March, So you're gonna wear a cloth. Oh,
by the way, cloth masks don't work, which every data
set that you can find shows and ninety five masks
don't really work either. Folks, you know that wasn't true either.
Double asking certainly doesn't work. So what are we even
talking about here? Moreover, Buck, if you're going to Thanksgiving,
(05:07):
you're going to eat so presumably in his mask up
between bites to your point. Absolutely, I mean, like what,
I don't even understand that argument. And he's telling people
we've got a mask. Quote this is not from twenty
to twenty or twenty twenty one. Fauci just now in
the White House said, if you go into a room,
we're gonna play this for you and you're the only
person with a mask, you should be feel good about yourself.
(05:30):
You look great. Listen to this you say about the
word mask now being a pejorative and some commando it
shouldn't be. I mean, you're absolutely right. I mean, I
know sometimes when you walk in and you have a
mask and nobody has a mask, you kind of feel guilty.
You shouldn't feel guilty. You look terrific. I mean, I
mean we're at a point now if someone is if
someone is going into places where unless you know, honestly,
(05:51):
even if they have a health issue, does mask don't work.
So if someone's wearing a mask at this point, they
either have a level of anxiety that they're not able
to control, or they're just ignorant of the actual data
sets with masking. Those are the only options at this point.
There is no third option. And I'm seeing people, like
I watched football over the weekend, Buck, there are people
going to football games outdoors and wearing masks. I mean,
(06:14):
I just I'm going to Michigan, Ohio State this weekend.
There are going to be some people sitting in a
hundred thousand seat Buckeye Stadium wearing masks. I've given up.
On airlines, there's what like fifteen twenty percent of people
are still wearing masks on airlines. It is scientifically as
valid as a toddler keeping their blankie because it'll scare
(06:35):
the monsters away. It's absurd and and that's how adults
should actually view it. Now, it's not at all. We've
gotta no no, because remember anyone who's out there still
masking with overwhelming that I won't say everybody, but generally speaking,
people are out there still masking. If they could, they
make you mask too. We saw that. So this isn't
a live and let lifting. This is take the stupid
mask off your face. It's ridiculous. That's where I'll try
(06:57):
to bring it back. I mean the stories up at
HHS today that they would try to bring back masks.
I'm telling you a lot of you listening to us
right now, LA's talking about doing it. You may and
your poor kids. You may well before this winner is out,
if COVID players back up, they're going to be trying
to get you to put masks back. I'm gonna be
on our flight back to back to New York tomorrow.
(07:18):
I've been down in Florida. I'm gonna be taking a
flight back New York tomorrow. You know, I think I'm
just gonna take a you know, a distance, one of
those sort of distant selfies, like a Bradley Cooper at
the Oscars, except they'll be, you know, near the front
of the plane. I mean, I don't fly first class
because I'm not fancy, but you know, I like to
try to be near the emergency exit. And that's always
funny to people. People Sometimes seeing me, they're like, aren't
(07:39):
you Buck from the Clay and Buck Show. I'm like yeah,
and they look at me like, interesting, You're you're next
to the bathroom in like row twenty seventy eight. I'm like,
that's right, that's right. I fly southwest, Buck. There is
no first class, you know. I know you flew southway.
You flew southwest of Patriot Wars. That's how Clay rolls too,
because come on, we're just trying to get where. We're
getting the easiest way to get somewhere. Now. Sometimes I
(08:00):
will hop on a little charter to get in and
out of a college town when it's hard to get into.
But I had to call that play force one or
is that not? Do they put a little decal on
the side for you? I have not. I you know,
I rush had a big plane, right, I'm hoping that
one day I'll have a plane too, that's my goal. Yeah.
He a a superplane. Um yeah, anyway, I just say
it about the plane. I want to take a photo
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because I'm going back to New York tomorrow from Florida.
So this is a particular route. I know this route
very well, going back to be you know, in New
York City and spending Thanksgiving with the fan, and I
think there will be I think it'll be fifteen to
twenty percent mask up tomorrow. That's my guests on the plane.
That's what I think, which is sad for those. I mean,
(08:42):
I flew Nashville to Fort Lauderdale and I was stunned
at how many people I saw still wearing masks on
the airplanes. Now, it wasn't a huge number because I'm
going from a free state to a free state, but
it wasn't zero. I mean, there were still a lot
of people wearing masks on airplanes and at the airport.
I mean, I would put this out there. I mean,
the only you know, if you're a senior citizen with
health risks, the same way that senior citizens are advised
(09:05):
to maybe get a flu shot because okay, maybe there's
some downside but you know, even a little bit of help,
even if reduces your risk maybe five or ten percent.
So I'll cut senior citizens out of the conversation about
masking a little bit here, even though I don't think
it really helps them. But I get it, Like you know,
you're at that age you want to avoid getting sick,
and maybe you think it helps you a little bit.
Anybody under fifty with a mask on, I just like
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I said, I just think they have other anxiety disorder
or aren't familiar with the data. I don't know what
else to say at this point, because it's just an
impossible case to make. Their brains are broken, and Fauci
has made it worse. And and Ali, our producer, saying,
you know, up in New York City subway still packed
with tons of people wearing masks. And I remember my
wife saying this. I thought she was crazy. She said,
(09:50):
master never going away. And I feel like that's the truth. Now.
I don't think masks are ever going to leave in
the United States again. Well, because the moment that people
stop wearing them there was the moment a lot of
people realize they never should have warned them. Yep, And
it's it's about the ego involved of accepting that you
(10:11):
were wrong, Like you know, I'm I'm still upset that
I said I didn't say stochastic properly yesterday. You can
imagine if I've been wearing an un ninety five mask
and super uncomfortable for two years for no reason. Clay,
you know, yeah, that's a tough one. I think that's
why they're never going away. Sadly, but we should have
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do this. Instead we got fouch you doing the opposite,
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General doctor Joseph Latipo with us now. He's got a
book out, Transcend Fear, a blueprint for Blueprint for Mindful
Leadership in Public Health, which's been out for a couple
of months, Doctor Latipo. Honor to have you on, sir.
Thanks for making time for us. Hey, thanks for having
me on. I'm happy to be with you guys right
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before Thanksgiving. Yes, sir, and one thing we are not
thankful for is doctor Anthony Fauci's leadership during the pandemic.
You may have seen him giving his farewell speech of
sorts today from the White House. What is I mean?
You're a Harvard trained MD, You're the surgeon general of
the state of Florida. You've looked at the data for
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your state of over twenty million people extensively. When doctor
Fauci says that you should be proud to mask up
when you walk into places, that people should consider masking,
that they should all get the vaccine. The vaccine will
keep anyone from dying. And there's a whole lot more
we could say. What do you say as a medical professional?
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I say that I am stunned by doctor Fauci's inability
to adapt to data. You know, in his comments he
said something about how it's too bad that people aren't
getting these COVID nineteen vaccines, or for the people who aren't,
most people have, but for the people who aren't he
hates to see them get infected. Well, then he really
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ought not want them to get because, as every as
very plainly clear, their protection from infection wanes rapidly, and
that he's still not acknowledging that and still playing mask
you know, charade mask. I don't know. Whatever this silly
masquerade is with masks is just it's a it's a
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testament of why he cannot leave fast enough. Doctor Latipo,
appreciate you joining us. This is clay. Doctor Fauci also
said that he thinks people should test for COVID before
they get together with their friends and family for Thanksgiving.
It is two days until Thanksgiving. I can guarantee you
that the Travis family will not be testing before we
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have Thanksgiving dinner. You've got I think two kids, maybe three.
Will the Lattipo family, you are obviously in a steam physician,
will you be doing COVID tests before you sit down
for Thanksgiving dinner? The only thing is going to be
tested this week is going to be my patience because
our three boys are going to be running all around
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with you know, pomps full of yummy pumpkin pie from
my wife and all that good stuff. You know, it's
really sad. It's just a he has a right to
believe that, of course, but it's just a testament to
how sad his vision of life is. I mean, you
can't just enjoy the beautiful time with people you love
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and care about you have to think of about testing
and what maybe even masking or who knows whatever whatever
else he's suggesting before Thanksgiving. It's sad, and yeah, I
feel in some ways I feel bad for him that
that's how he sees Thanksgiving. I mean it's sad. Speaking
of Florida, certain general doctor Latipo and his book is
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Transcend Fear, a Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health.
Actor Latipo have a lot of doctors come forward. I mean,
I would assume it's easier for them in Florida than
there is in other places. I'm in Florida right now,
and said that they're going to stand against some of
the madness, that they're not going to pretend like the
establishment experts got everything right, and that we should all
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still go into every hospital with a little cloth mask
on all the time and all this stuff. I mean,
have you seen a change in the mentality of a
lot of your fellow physicians over let's say the last
year or so, as we've really seen everything that we
were told by the Fauci apparatus and the Biden administration
just not actually happen. I mean, everything fell apart. I'm
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going to give you what I think might be a
surprising answer, and that answers no. And what the reason
it's know is because it's not new. Most of the
doctors over the past year who have opposed these policies,
they haven't changed. They've known that we've done many trials
of masks and they just have generally not been effective.
They've known that the vaccines aren't doing a good job
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at preventing infection, but they are afraid to speak because
of the repercussions. And that's that's really the issue, that's
what's behind it, and there are consequences, and it's it's
a very real thing. You've got boards of medicine trying
to strip doctors of their license, not because of anything
they did with their clinical care, but because they said
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the quote unquote wrong thing on Facebook or Twitter. And
that's the reality. That's the reality that physicians are living with.
I'm sure you're familiar with the California law that was
passed restricting essentially threatening to punish doctors for saying the
wrong things about one specific issue, which is COVID nineteen.
So unfortunately, no, people's opinions haven't changed. But even more unfortunately,
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a lot of doctors who are totally opposed to what
doctor Fauchisman saying are still afraid to speak up. Doctor Latipo,
I'm sure you have seen speaking on that fear. California
has tried to pass a law and you moved from
California to the free state of Florida, if I remember correctly,
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California is trying to pass a law that could create
consequences for medical professionals who speak out against whatever the
preferred sciences at the moment. I'm just curious in general.
You probably remember when Fauci said, I am the science.
Isn't science about questioning everything? How quickly have we forgotten
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that that's the primary goal of scientists is to rigorously
question everything less you believe things that are untrue. And
how scary is it that we're trying to pass laws
now to essentially keep medical professionals from ever questioning the
consensus opinion. Well, it's terrible, It's terrible, and that is
exactly I mean that is at the core of science,
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is asking questions and debating and bringing evidence and seeing
how things shake out. Being curious that those are core
tenets of science and of their things that motivated people
like me and many other people to pursue science, and
unfortunately what's happening in California is they're trying to rewrite
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reality to match their dystopian fantasy. And that's essentially what's happening,
and hopefully people will just realize that it's total nonsense
that they're doing there. It's being a doctor Joseph Latipost,
Surgeon General of the Data Florida, and doctor Latipo if
somebody was willing to, let's say, somebody out there thinks,
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you know, wearing two masks, because because Fauci says two
masks are great, it's going to keep them safe. But
they're at least willing to look at what data you
have access to say, when it came to mask mandates
in schools, we're two years into this, What could you
point them to? What could you tell them about the
real numbers that you saw in Florida during now two
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full years of data collection when it came to schools
that required masks versus schools that did not. The Florida
data has definitely been supportive of the fact that in
schools these masks are doing basically nothing. And there are
other studies as a doctor in California, doctor Tracy Hog,
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that's done a ton of research on masks. She's debunked
one of the CDC studies where the CDC reported that
the masks were effective when they compared a couple of
school stricks. But then you'll she looked and found it basically. Actually,
if you look further, they were only it only looked
that way because of the specific period of time to
the CDC. Look, why did they look during that time? Only?
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Who knows? It's not that they were trying to put
their finger on the scale, is it. So it's really nonsense.
The air goes around guys, if you're in a room,
whether you wear the mask or not, the air is
coming out. And there's even a randomized clinical trial that
shows harms, believe it or not, harms associated with cloth
mask and healthcare workers. So it's it's it's just a
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total barrel of nonsense, just complete nonsense, this mask obsession.
And they cannot die soon enough. But unfortunately, many of
my colleagues are trying to revive it this winter. Yeah,
and so that's the question that Buck and I have
been asking, how does this end? And that's the question
we would ask Fauci, if he would ever come on
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with us. You're saying, hey, this holiday season, I believe
this is now the third Thanksgiving we've had basically since
COVID started. If I'm doing the math correctly, Fauci saying,
you still need to take a COVID test, you should
still be wearing masks. If you're doing this in year
three of COVID, how does it ever end? Will it
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ever end? And are you concerned? I think you are
just based on the way that you answer that question,
doctor Latipo, that we can't just live and let live,
because the people who are still wearing masks, if they could,
would demand that all of us wear masks, including two
and three year olds, the minute that they have the
power to do so. Well, you're you are dead on there,
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There's no question about that. And I think people, first
of all, I think people just need to really be
acquainted comfortable with the scientific data from clinical trials. These
these advocates always point to these observational studies of the
CDC quotes, but clinical trials are really the gold standard,
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and these masks have done terrible almost in all of
these clinical trials. So people need to feel comfortable first
of all, that they really on a scientific basis, they're
doing little to nothing. And then the second part is
just deciding that you're not going to participate in these charades.
And that's what needs to happen. And I think if
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enough of us do that, they'll they'll stop trying to
work their weasel their way back in with their mask
recommendations which later become strong recommendations, which later become mandates
and all the nonsense that we've seen over the past
two years. Florida certain General doctor Latipo his book Transcend Fear,
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A Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health. Doctor Latipo,
thanks for being with us. Hey, thanks so much, guys.
Happy Thanksgiving guys, you too, no doubt, happy Thanksgiving to
you as well. And thank goodness that if you live
in Florida you're still going to have some freedom. But
about how crazy this is, there is no end to
this COVID insanity, which is why Buck and I continue
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to hammer it here, because they're coming for you. They're
coming for you with masks, they're coming for you with
the vaccine mandates. As soon as these things come up
again in terms of cases, they are going to chase
you and they are going to demand that you submit.
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Tune in every day to the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show two days until Thanksgiving. If you find yourself
traveling across the country around the world, hope you're safe
and we appreciate you listening. We are thankful for all
of you. We're joined now by former Vice President Mike Pence,
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who's got a new book out that is being well received.
And as we start with you, mister Vice President, I
appreciate you giving us the time we've been talking. Faucci,
just thanks for having me on. Yeah, no doubt. The
book is so help me God. Released earlier this month.
Fauci just had his final press conference as he is
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in the process of retiring. I'm sure you knew that
that was going on. We were just talking about it.
Everything in twenty in hindsight is often twenty twenty in retrospect.
What could you and the Trump White House have done
better to not allow doctor Fauci to what I think
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is quite frankly, drive us right off the cliff of insanity.
In terms of how we should respond to COVID, he
said that people should still feel very proud if they're
wearing masks. He said that as you get ready together
with Thanksgiving family, that continuing to get COVID tests could
make sense. Those are just some of the things he said,
not years ago, but just a few minutes ago at
the White House. Would you any regrets? Do you have
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anything that you would change about doctor Fauci in particular
and COVID? Well, first, just let me say what a
what a privilege it is to be on with with
both of you, A great fan of the show, Thank
you and uh and and was honored to have the
opportunity to write my autobiography, So help Me God. That
came out about a week ago. It's the story of
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growing up here in Indiana. It's a story of of
of you know, being raised by a combat veteran and
a first generation Irish American, starting out as a Democrat,
joining the Republican Revolution, and then m through through decisions
that I made, beginning with the decision to put my
faith in Jesus Christ, the decision to marry Kare and Pence.
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We were able to serve and advance the Conservative agenda
and the Congress and the governorship here in Indiana, and
then as Vice President. I'm incredibly proud of the record
of our administration, and I'm proud of what the American
people accomplished during COVID. Guys. There's a couple of chapters
in my book, in one of which is entitled Only
in America, where I really pay tribute to the extraordinary
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compassion of our healthcare workers, the extraordinary generosity and innovation
of American businesses. I mean, from the time I was
I was tapped to leave the White House Coronavirus Task Force, Guys,
I was really inspired by what the American people were doing.
But in those early days, you know, when I became
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the leader of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, it
was a fairly small group. The President organized it a
week a month earlier, and it included doctor Tony Fauci
and some other medical experts that would grow. But one
of the first decisions that I made was to add
the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Agriculture, Larry
Cudlow on our economic team, because I knew that the
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advice that we were going to give the president could
not just be, you know, the advice of the clinical doctors.
It had to be balanced and take in the whole
interest of the American people. And and as as I write,
and so help me god. Um, you know, in those
early days, I know that doctor Fauci, when when we
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didn't know what was coming, when we didn't understand the disease,
and Americans were anxious, we were reinventing testing, we were
manufacturing billions of supplies and and you know, over one
hundred thousand ventilators in a hundred days. I think in
those early days, doctor Fauci was a comfort to millions
of Americans. And uh and and he always stayed in
(28:35):
his lane. That's how I put it in my book.
I mean, he was invariably the first person to say, look,
I'll give you the scientist's perspective, but I understand the
President's got to consider a lot more. And that was
one of the reasons why, you know, one month into
our efforts to essentially buy time and slow the spread. Um,
(28:57):
we worked to open up America again and Mike when
did you realize that that Fauci was actually a partisan
and the absolute worst than hoping to deep six the
presidency that you were a part of. Well, early on,
I must tell you I didn't perceive it that way.
In fact, I thought President Trump and Fauci as a
couple of old New Yorkers h you know, had had
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a good working relationship. But things began to shift, you know,
toward the end. And I must tell you it grieves
my heart that the Biden administration lost more Americans in
their first year with COVID with all of the tools
that we left behind, including vaccines, more Americans than we
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lost in our first year when we, for the most part,
had none of those tools. But I do think it
is part and parcel of the Biden administration essentially putting
doctor Fauci in charge of the national response. You know,
there's the old saying that you know, when when you're
holding a hammer, everything's a nail. And I wasn't I
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wasn't surprised that the Biden administration abandoned our commitment to
you know, therapeutics, abandon our commitment to opening up states
around the country, and and largely turned all of its
focus on vaccines and ultimately and wrongly mandated vaccines for
Americans that was partially turned aside by the conservative majority
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on the Supreme Court. So and as I said, I think, uh,
you know it was it saddens me that the Biden
administration in so many ways squandered the progress that we made.
And uh, and putting doctor Fauci in the lead of
the Biden administration's response, I think explains their focus on
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on concentrating everything in Washington, concentrating everything on vaccines, ultimately
mandating vaccines, instead of taking the whole of America federalist
approach that we took in our administration. Where was being
the former vice president Mike Pennson's got a new book out,
So help me God, I was President Pennce tell us this.
You know, the midterm election, there were some bright spots,
(31:06):
there were the votes in the aggregate, but there wasn't
the red wave that we needed. And it seemed that
there were a number of points of failure. Might be
too strong a word for some people, but I think
for others it's not strong enough. Clearly there were some
problems and some places we came up short. How do
we fix that? Well, guys, look there, thanks for saying
(31:28):
you're the first. You're the first show not surprisingly that
said that there was a red wave some places. I mean,
you'll look you look at at the governors or re
elections in places like Texas, in Florida, in Georgia where
they had probably the most formidable Democrat candidate in the country,
and Stacy Abrons raised one hundred million dollars in Governor
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Brian Kemp, you know, one decisively in the fall. And
my friend Leezelden came up short in New York, but
he actually brought with him four new Republicans elected to
Congress from his state of New York. That could be
our new margin of a Republican majority. So I really
do believe there were there were pockets, there were places,
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and the common denominator to me, guys, is that, you know,
candidates that were focused on the future, that were focused
on the challenges facing the American people today, which are
border security and crime and record inflation and high gasoline prices.
Candidates that were focused on the future did quite well,
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but candidly, those campaigns that were focused on the past,
including relitigating the past, did not fare as well. Then
we're talking to former Vice President Mike Penns. His book
out last week, So Help Me God. Donald Trump announced
on Tuesday of last week, same day your book came out,
in the evening, he announced that he was going to
be running for president in twenty twenty four. I know
(32:57):
that there were several people speaking out in Las Vegas
who might be interested in potentially running in twenty twenty
four as well. You are among those. When would you
think is the right time for you to officially decide
if you are or are not going to run in
twenty twenty four. What kind of timeline do you have
(33:18):
in terms of making that decision. Well, first, I'm I'm
always humbled to be asked, and early in my career,
as I write in the book, So Help Me God,
back in twenty ten, I had unfer national office. I
ultimately prayed through it with my wife, spoke to friends,
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and we felt called to come home here in Indiana
and serve as governor of this great state. And that
decision was, you know, one of the great honors of
my life and led to opportunities to serve as as
your vice president as well. So you know, what I
can tell you is that you know, with two inactive
duty military in our immediate family, we actually haven't been
(33:59):
together for the last three years. But this Christmas, everybody's
going to be home in Indiana, and Karen and I
are going to take time as we always have, to
sit down with our kids, their spouses and talk to
friends and continue to listen to the American people. And
I always tell people there's two kinds of people in politics.
There's people that are driven and people that are called.
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And if you reach so help me God, you'll you'll
hear that. I've been both. I've let my ambition get
ahead of my values in the past and the way
that as a Christian I feel called to represent myself
in the public square. But for the last twenty years,
we've we've tried to follow a calling, guys, and so
we're going to pray through it, give a careful consideration,
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and sometime after the first of the year, we'll just
discern what our next calling might be. But I promised
to keep Clay Travis and Buck Sexton posted thank you.
I appreciate that, do you And as part of that,
do you think Joe Biden will run? Do you think
he should run for reelection? And does his choice in
(35:03):
any way impact your own choice. Well, the thing I'll
tell you emphatically is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris should
not be reelected as President and Vice president. I no doubt, guys,
I knew they'd be bad. I didn't know they'd be
this bad this fast. But then again, you know, I mean,
literally from day one, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have
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been dismantling the very policies that created the prosperity, the
border security, of the strength of our economy that we
had in those first three years of the Trump pens administration.
I mean, they literally a gusher of spending that launched
the worst inflation in forty years of war on energy
(35:49):
after we achieved energy independence that has now set in
motion that gasoline prices through the WORF going into a
Thanksgiving weekend. And of course, what I've been down to
the southern border in Arizona many times in the last
two years, five million people have come into this country
illegally in the last two years, after we had reduced
(36:09):
illegal immigration by ninety percent. So, you know, whatever President
Biden decides to do and whatever we decide to do,
I'm going to be working my heart out to make
sure that we do not get four more years of
the disastrous record of the Biden Harris administration. We've got
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a good start in the House of Representatives with a
new Republican majority, but the next step is to win
the Senate. When the White House win statehouses around the country,
and I believe we will. I think we're at the
beginning of a great American comeback. The book is so
help me God, Vice President Pence the author, Sir, appreciate
you being with us. We'll talk to you soon. Guys,
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Clay Travis said Buck Sexton Show, So I want to
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open up phone lines here yesterday and I would encourage
you to go listen to this because I thought it
was a really interesting conversation. We had Nancy Grace on
to talk about a story that's leading the news everywhere
right now, and both Bucket, myself and probably you and
some of your family as you get close to Thanksgiving.
It's a conversation that will likely be emerging, and it
(38:41):
has to do with the quadruple murder that is as
of now unsolved from near the University of Idaho, right
off the campus there in Moscow, Idaho. And we got
a ton of feedback after that conversation that we had
with Nancy Grace yesterday. I want to open up phone
lines just these specific callers. If you are listening to
(39:05):
us in Spokane, Washington, the area kq NT AM huge
audience that we have there, we believe it extends down
into the University of Idaho area right there on the
border between Idaho and Washington. I'd like to hear, and
Buck would like to hear from people in Moscow, Idaho,
about how all of this is going down, what the
(39:29):
community is responding. There hadn't been a murder there in
seven years. Buck, and there were six people in this house.
Four of them were stabbed to death on the second
and the third floor. They still have been unable to
find alleged perpetrator, at least publicly, not a lot of
evidence in this case. There were two people on the
(39:52):
first floor. I don't know if they were in locked bedrooms.
I haven't seen the specifics about why they were not attacked.
But on the second and the third floor, four people
stabbed to death while they were sleeping. They were not found.
I don't believe buck until the next day around noon.
These are college kids. They believe the stabbing happened in
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the three to four am time area. These kids have
been out until around two in the morning. It's a
Saturday on a college campus, not uncommon at all. And
I can't stop reading about this case and or consuming
stories about this case. And I know many of you
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are the same as us. So eight hundred two eight
two two eight eight two. We didn't give people an
opportunity yesterday to react, but we would like people in
the Moscow, Idaho region in that area to let us
know what's going on and what it feels like to
be in this community where there hadn't been a murder
in seven years and suddenly there's an unsolved quadruple murder
of college kids. And you know, yesterday when we had
(40:54):
Nancy Grays on to talk about this, she said that
she would not connect the data point, if you will,
the report about a dog that had been skinned and gutted.
That was found a few weeks before this, but in
the same neighborhood. This is not a big place in Moscow, Idaho.
We said yesterday, twenty five thousand people. There's a small town.
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It's pushed right up against the border of Washington State
and you know, so it's western Idaho. And today the
police are saying that they're unrelated. But when I read
the explanation for why it's unrelated, they just said it's
wildlife activity or something. It seemed bizarre to me. And
you have to remember and this is this is just
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the way it is, unfortunately, and instances like this where
there's a very very serious, hainous crime that happens in
a community that just has limited law enforce and resources.
The cops that are dealing with this, especially the first
ones on the scene, they're to say they're not used
to this. As a dramatic understatement, I mean, very few
cops have seen these kinds of crime scenes before. But
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there's already a lot of a lot of parting. Is
it fair or not? I don't know. Right, we're not there,
We're not able to cover this on the ground. The
people are saying that you know, tire tracks were not
preserved immediately. I mean, some rudimentary investigative mistakes seem to
have been made here, which may slow the whole process
down of even getting some sense. I mean, they have
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no idea of motive, They have no suspects that we've
even gotten an inclination about yet, and I think people
are realizing that this could be This could be a
long haul to try to get some measure of justice
for these families by finding whoever did this. I mean,
this is among the more heinous crimes anybody can think
of in recent memory. So I don't understand how why
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the dog based on the reporting, why that would be unrelated,
But apparently police are saying it is unrelated. There's just
some things that don't add up. Clay went into there
were other people in the house. How is it this
person was able to the killer was able to do
this without waking anybody. There was a dog in the
house that didn't I mean maybe they're used to Maybe
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the dog barked a little bit, it didn't wake anybody
up because they're used to it. But the dog has
been taken away from the house. This is reporting from today.
How could somebody manage to get in. Think of the
risk of discovery that this murderer would be taking by
going into this house with a knife and one by
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one killing these individuals in their sleep. It would be
so easy for someone, including people in the house who
weren't even attacked, to cry out, just you know, to scream,
to say what's going on. It just doesn't I've I've
never looked. I don't know if anyone's ever seen anything
like this before. I've never seen anything like this, And
I asked Nancy yesterday during that interview, I don't think
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you can underrate the aspect of the murders being occurring
with a knife. That's so violent, it's so visceral. You
are right up on top of the person, and it
feels quite a lot different than say, shooting someone with
a gun from a disc Yeah. I remember I listened
to a very popular iHeartMedia podcast on the piked In
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massacre in Ohio, which I think was the second biggest
mass murder in the country in that year after the
Pulse nightclub shooting. So it was a major and it
was a dispute between two families that escalated to where
I think it was five of the family members were
killed in their sleep. They were killed with a firearm though,
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so somebody went in and killed And clearly there was
a there was a baby at one of the crime
scenes that was spared. They didn't they didn't go after
the baby. They were going after the adults and the
family was a mass murder. Five people killed. But they
used a gun and in this instance they were using
this individual was using a knife. And it cannot feel
right now, well, I mean that to that community, for example,
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they have no idea. It's not like they have a
sense of who this might be and the person's on
the run. They seemed to know nothing, which given the
national level attack mean meaning the police seemed to know
nothing about who did this. Now they could behold I know,
law enforcement officers listening to sing. Look, that could be
holding back key details. That is possible, clearly, And like
I said, we're not doing the investigation. But it doesn't
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you know how they pull all this together. They're gonna
have a lot of DNA we discussed this yesterday, a
lot of evidence at the scene, but you need the
other piece of that, meaning you need to have a
match with somebody. So if they're not in any databases,
really tough to know who you're looking for. And also, again,
if you're living in that community eight hundred two a
two two eight two, it's unlikely that someone just suddenly
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snaps and stabs for people to death. So is this
a vagrant? Was this a crime where someone is moving through?
Are there any other crimes that are somewhat similar that
could be connected to this one in the region, in
the area. To me, this is this is one of
those stories. I'm not surprised at all that it is
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receiving the amount of attention it does, and is that
it's opening many different newscasts right now because this is
the mystery the likes of which we frankly just do
not see very often in this country. So again, we'll
take some of your calls in the next segment. I'd
like for people in that region to give us a
sense for the community and the community's response so far.
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Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. Maybe Also,
if you're an investigator, a criminal profiler based on we've
got a huge, huge law enforce and community that listens.
If you have any and just any insight you can
offer to us. You know, the only investigations I ever
did were counter terrorism, which is obviously very different from this.
We'd love to hear from you guys as well, in
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the event that you could help to analyze this based
on what you do for your profession. One eight hundred
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drive what is the best response I think on a
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does he think of the comments made by doctor Fauci
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