May 24, 2023 • 50 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in everybody. This is the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show. I'm Buck, He's Clay.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We have much to discuss with you today. As always,
thanks for rolling with us.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The announcement comes in a matter of hours. Governor Ron
de Santis of Florida will be officially entering this race,
joining Elon Musk on a Twitter spaces which I think
I know what that is. I certainly know what Twitter is,
But how does this look? How's The Trump campaign responded,
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as you can imagine, not a particularly.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Warm welcome from the Trump team. At the prospect here
of a Elon I mean of a Elon launch for
Ron DeSantis, which is imminent. We'll talk more about that.
Still hearing some stuff about how a debt ceiling. Oh,
it's so scary. The debt ceiling.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We may break through without We might update you on
some of that later on in the program. It seems
like there will be a deal. The brinksmanship has gotten stale,
so some of the people who like to push it
are still hoping that you will be particularly aggravated at
the prospect of some kind of major financial crisis coming
(01:25):
along because of this, but I don't think it's going
to happen. But the budget deal, debt ceiling thing, We've
got some more for you on that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
And also.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Target is feeling the heat right now, and I think, Clay,
that's a good place for us to start, because we've seen,
for the first time, really that I can remember, in
the last I don't know, call it the last twelve
months or so, major corporations that have gone extreme left
and very woke with their products and with the way
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they present things. We've seen them start to get meaningful pushback,
not just people saying I don't like this, but financial consequences,
which is the only thing that's going to change that
corporate behavior. Right, unless it hurts the bottom line, nothing changes.
In fact, I had been frustrated for a while because
the right had been saying go woke, go broke.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And it hadn't really been true.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I mean, you look at Colin Kaepernick, for example, somebody
who became much more famous and much wealthier because of
his wokeness. Right, there are other examples you can point to.
We say go woke, go broke, but it hadn't really
hadn't really worked out that way. In fact, I don't
know if it ever really worked out that way pre
who who went woke.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And went broke. It's a really it's a really good,
good point. And this is where I think the sports media,
being so far left wing, Buck has refused to acknowledge
that the NBA and the NFL really took it on
the chin over going woke right, and they really have
(03:01):
tried to run in the opposite direction. It took a
few years for it to register. It's unlike bud Light.
And the reason why I think bud Light's so significant,
Buck is you get a direct amount of bud Light
sold every week and people can say, holy crap, they're
down twenty eight percent. We've never seen anything like this.
I think it's harder to see in some brands than others.
(03:26):
But the television ratings of the NBA have collapsed. And
I think one thing is sports media is so far
left wing that no one will even acknowledge it because
they don't want to give credit to the idea that
what we said, hey, you're alienating a huge part of
the sporting public was actually true. So I do think
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the NBA is a good example of one that took
it on the chin, and I think, to a certain extent,
Disney because Disney Stockbuck. Yeah, but that's I was gonna
say Disney.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So going back to the timeline, I was gonna say,
Disney is the beginning of what we are seeing now.
Disney was the first one that I can think of
on the NBA, in the NFL. I mean, these guys,
you know, now you get into well, who's going broke clags?
It's not the players. They're demanding more money than ever.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Right. They don't feel like there's any there's no hit
to their pocketbook that's happened because of this, But I
do think it's coming.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So that so then see that's the thing if the
if the NBA takes a fifteen or twenty percent haircut
in because of the ratings, that doesn't register in a
way that everyone feels like this is a big victory.
When bud Light is down thirty percent in one quarter,
you see the work that you have. So let's just
let's again back up for a second.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Disney.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
There's this fight with Ron De Santis, and it was
interesting also to see how this plays out among conservatives
because we generally have a especially about economics.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
A lais a fair attitude about things. Oh, let the
market decide.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, that's not so clear when you have advantages being
given to a company that don't go to other companies,
and that is also taking political action. So Disney was
the beginning of what we saw as pushback. And then
the bud Light phenomenon happened, which has put the fear
of the bottom line, to be sure, if not the
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fear of the almighty into some of these companies. And
then we add to that now Target because of the
bathing suits that tuck away the man stuff. People are
showing up and saying this is a problem. And then
that brings me to the latest play. And this is
going back into the sports world. So the Los Angeles Dodgers,
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and I will be honest, I have not watched a
professional baseball game, I think in almost twenty years now,
so I'm not up on the latest. But I know
of these LA Dodgers. I know they used to be
the Brooklyn Dodgers. A long time ago. They had they
had invited for pride celebration stuff. They invited this group
Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, and this is for their annual
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LGBTQ Plus. I don't know why they're leaving out the IA.
I think that's really not inclusive enough. I'm gonna write
to the New York Times here because the IA the
plus isn't enough. You need the IA and then the plus.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
But they were.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
They invited the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, and then they
disinvited them, and now they've reinvited them for their June
sixteenth Celebration of Pride night at Dodger Stadium. For anyone
who doesn't know, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence have been
around since I think the eighties. They are cross dressing
gay men who dress as nuns and engage in sexually
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provocative public displays. You know, think strip teases, thong dances
dressed in nuns habits, including video that you may see
circulating right now of these, you know, hairy thirty five
year old or whatever men dressed as nuns with high
heels and thongs on doing a strip tease around somebody
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pretending to be the crucified Jesus Christ, and we all
sit around saying, okay, first of all, why does anyone
in the Pride celebration community think the Sisters of Perpetual
Indulgence or a group that should be supported period. I
want to start with actually that one for everyone out there.
(07:16):
And then what do the LA Dodgers think the audience
that they have a lot of a lot of Catholics
in general, a lot of Christians in general, a lot
of Latino Catholics for example, who are very fond of baseball.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Probably the base of Dodger fans in LA is overwhelmingly Catholic,
Hispanic fan base. I just have to ask you, clag
I mean, you're you're not a Catholic.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I am if they but if they had invited let's say,
a group that did depictions of the prophet Mohammed and
then sexualized it and mocked the whole thing, would that
be okay? You know, if they did something that was
meant to mock Judaism, If they had a pride group
that had you know, rabbis dressed up and were then
all you know, I can't even describe on radio that
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some of the displays that the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence do,
but it's meant to absolutely graphically sexually humiliate Catholics.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's the whole point of it. I was raised Southern Baptist,
so that is my religious background. You are Catholic in particular.
But what I would say, Buck, is what you just said.
If the Dodgers, as part of an outreach, decided that
they were going to allow a group that mocked anyone
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affiliated with the Jewish faith, anyone affiliated with the Muslim faith,
that would be immediately condemned and disallowed. And honestly, if
you mocked Mohammed, you might have to worry about your
players being murdered by terrorists and being put on a
(08:55):
fatwa list like we just saw happened to Salmon Rushti.
Or cartoons controversy, you absolutely would have to worry about
that one hundred percent because they would say, you are
mocking our religion. We're going to kill you, right, And
the fact that if you mock the Muslim faith you
have to worry about being murdered. You saw what happened
(09:17):
with Charlie Hebdo when they published the cartoons there and
they had the attack on the I mean the satirical French,
I mean they had a teacher beheaded for showing a
Muslim representation I think of Mohammed. So this to me
is just should be a bright line rule. And if
if you're Christian, if you're you know, Muslim, if you're Hindu,
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if you're Jewish, if you're really not really affiliated with
any religion, I don't understand for the Dodger perspective. And
this goes for all sports teams. How is the standard
not the same for all religions. I mean to me,
if you are going to allow the Catholic faith to
be mocked, then you have to allow all faith groups
(10:02):
to be mocked and honor it, right. I mean, there's
a difference between it existing and the Dodger specifically saying
we want these things. This is representative in our building.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
This is specifically inviting people to go out and I
guess they gather in the stadium. They probably have something
where they go out into you know, center field or
the you know the dugout or whatever they call it
in baseball. So and just so we all understand, this
isn't like a gentle uh parody or satirizing. It's not
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in good fun. This group, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
I have seen the videos, I have seen the photos.
I have seen what they do. It is meant to
be not only offensive to Catholics, it's just depraved. I mean,
someone doing a striptease over whether you believe in Jesus
or not, it's a man who's being crucified on a cross,
and you have a nun dressed up who's actually a man.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
By the way. So this stuff is depraved, it is grotesque,
it is wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And yet the Dodgers are more afraid of the backlash
they'll get from the activist community than the Catholics, in
particular because the nuns, obviously is what they're going after here.
And also it's interesting the activist hostility, the LGBTQIA plus
activist hostility toward Catholics is nothing new, something you're not
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really supposed to talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You're just supposed to take it as a Catholic. But
when you see what's.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Going on here, Clay, this is another moment where it's
a gut check moment. You know, you ask yourself, Okay,
you're a Roman Catholic. You go to church, let's say
every Sunday or once a year, I don't even care.
But you're somebody who believes, you believe the divinity of
Jesus Christ. You believe in the Bible, you believe in
the Holy Trinity. You're gonna watch a Dodgers game after this.
You're gonna show up. You're gonna buy tickets to go
to Dodger Stadium. You're gonna support them. You're gonna pay
(11:48):
fifteen dollars for crappy beer and a hot dog. I'm sorry,
thirty dollars for crappy beer and a hot dog. That's
how you want to spend your time, your dollars. You
want to support an organization like this. If you do
not bring the Dodgers to your knees, you are not
serious about standing up for your faith in the public
sphere as a Dodgers fan. At this point, that's just
reality now, people, they canug.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Oh, I just love to go with my buddies from
work and whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You want bud Light to feel the pain, you want
target to feel the pain. You want entities to stop
doing things that corrupt, corrode, and undermine our culture, our freedom,
our dignity as a society, or not.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I think it's a gut check moment for a lot
of Look. I mean, I can't pretend if I boycott
baseball nothing happens, because I think that it's the most
boring sport on television next to golf. And I could
care less, but I know there are people listening. We
got a lot of people listening. KEI be Los Angeles,
people in the Los Angeles area. People just like to
watch baseball at home. I think you just have to
ask yourself, if you're a Catholic, why.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Would you continue to support this?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You know, And I think that people say, oh, but
are we calling for boycott's. Yeah, damn right, we're calling
for boycotts. Look at what they're doing. I mean, did
you see the other day, Clay They went viral with
some story.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Oh, they're banning books again in Florida. Yeah, they were
re stocking books. Yeah, I know they were the opposite
of banning. They were buying more books. Just you know,
I think at some point we come back, let let
let's talk about this more. And I want to open
up phone lines eight hundred and two eight two two
eight eight two. What I would say is this, at
some point, I think the key here is that there
(13:22):
are so many people who are on the right and
in the middle, and frankly on the left just a
little bit to the left right, who disagree with a
lot of this, but they don't want to create a stir.
And so for so long, the far left wing in
this country has created all the stirs, and so they
have they have won in many of the cultural battles
out there, and there have been no consequences for going
(13:45):
too far left wing. Zero. We have to stop turning
the other cheek. At some point, when you get punched
in the mouth, you have to throw a punch back.
And I think that's what bud Light has shown. And
I want to talk about how this interplay exist with
cancel culture, because I see a lot of people saying, Oh,
this is canceled culture. It's not. I'll explain what the
(14:05):
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Speaker 2 (15:49):
Keeping it real, keeping it honest, all right, So we
mentioned this yesterday on the show, and we wanted to
spend a little more time with if you want it
right now as we're talking about the primary season really
ramping up and it's it's going to be an interesting one, folks.
I mean, now we're getting Ron DeSantis officially in as
(16:13):
of well six pm Eastern time today, but also you
can see that there's some others who have thrown in already,
Senator Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, vek Ramaswami. I think there's
pretty interesting reporting on a possibility of a young Kin
(16:33):
presidential presidential bid. I think it's possible. Some are even
saying likely right now, So you might have a pretty
interesting primary. I think a primary that hones the different
campaigns and the messages is a good thing. So we'll
have a lot to talk about, a lot to work
through all together here on this program, which is great.
But in the background of all of this, there's something
(16:56):
else going on, something that the Democrats are hoping to
use to subvert the very process of this election. It's
already underway and there are some updates. As you know,
there's a special Council looking at Donald Trump. Now, there
are different things that they are saying about this. There
(17:17):
are different uh you know, components of it. There's the
mar A Lago documents aspect, and then there's the January
sixth insurrection aspect. But it's really just a get Trump
operation right top to the whole thing is again Trump operation.
Once again, they have not stopped. There's also and we're
not even gonna spend much time on this one, Clay
(17:38):
right now, but there's the Georgia election interference situation, right
and that may also be criminal chartist for Trump. Here's
the update from yesterday, Clay. I want I want you
to react to what former Attorney General Bill Barr said,
because I think he's right. I want to know if
(17:59):
you think he's But we'll get to that in a second.
Special Counsel Jack Smith is wrapping up the investigation. According
here to Axios, a bunch of sites and I'm sure
they work. You know, whoever's talking is talking to all
the lib get Trump websites out there, wrapping up the
classified documents issue at mar A Lago. Now, this doesn't
(18:20):
get into specifically the January sixth component. But there's a
belief that, based on what has already gone on here
in the evidence that has been collected, the obstruction component
of the mar A Lago Documents Special Council investigation could
(18:41):
be real legal jeopardy for Trump. Bill Barr, who I know,
you know some of you have mixed opinions on Bill Barr.
He's a very smart guy and a very smart lawyer.
Can get mad at me for saying it, but you'll
never find a lawyer who's a serious person in the
law who will tell you otherwise. He knows the law really,
really well.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
He said.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And he's slam Bragg's indictment is a total you know,
that's a circus, that's ridiculous. That whole thing is a joke.
But he says Trump is very legally exposed on the
on the obstruction issue here, and he says, quote, yes,
I do think he will go to I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no,
he didn't say that. He said he's very exposed. Ty Cobb,
(19:21):
who was the Trump former Trump White House lawyer, said quote, yes,
I do think he will go to jail on us.
You've got Bar saying he's exposed Cobb saying he thinks
he'll actually go to jail.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
What do you think, oh man, I think I think
charges are going to be brought, and I think chargers
are going to be brought. We already know New York City,
and they announced, by the way, that that trial will
take place in late March of election season, right like
right in the middle of the primary. Don't mistake what's
going on there. Fanny willis down in Georgia. Buck, They've
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basically cleared the docket for the first three weeks of August.
So the expec is Georgia, if you were she already
said they're going to do something in the summer. The
expectation is, if you're looking at your calendar, that a
Trump indictment in Georgia could happen in August. I feel
like all these prosecutors are talking. Maybe they're not. I
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would be stunned if they aren't. I feel like there
will be an indictment for Trump on federal issues at
some point in June or July. That would be my
prediction that we will get an indictment from the United
States government the Jack Smith investigation of Trump. If that occurs,
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then the question becomes are you confident that a jury
would not convict Donald Trump in in District of Columbia courts.
I think he would get convicted right now. The question
that's interesting to me, Buck, is the timing on this,
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because you could have a situation where Trump is and
there is a choice made about whether or not to
pardon him of federal charges. Trump could, theoretically, I think, Buck,
get elected in November of twenty four before they were
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able to try him on these federal charges and pardon
himself as president of the United States. That's an interesting perspective.
I think what also would happen, And this is something
that I would be curious to see how it would
play out. And I have not heard anybody else analyze this,
And certainly if there are really smart attorneys out there
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listening and you want to weigh in on this idea,
I would love to hear what you think. Eight hundred
and two two eight A two, Buck. Here's what I
would advise. If I were advising DeSantis or vivik Ramaswami
or Nicki Haley or Tim Scott or any of those people,
I would advise them to say, Hey, if I'm elected
president in twenty twenty four, I will pardon Donald Trump
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on all federal charges, and that would effectively wipe it out. Now,
what I'm getting at here, Buck, is the only way
that Trump might ever stand charge on any of these
Department of Justice brought charges would be if Biden wins.
So a big part of the November election, even if
Trump were not the nominee, could end up being do
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you think Trump should stand trial there? Now? To be fair,
you cannot pardon on state related criminal charges, right, So
Georgia's a problem. Regardless, New York City and Georgia could
still be issues. And we talked about this. We got
a great call. This is where I talk about the
brilliance of some of our callers. Remember they called in
Buck and said, Georgia is one of like three states
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in the nation where the governor of Georgia does not
have the ability to pardon for state related offenses. So
Brian Kemp, even though there's a Republican governor of Georgia,
would not have the ability to pardon Trump even if
he wanted to in Atlanta on this case, if he
were convicted. So I can see an opportunity DeSantis is
(23:05):
announcing tonight. I can see an opportunity for DeSantis to
cut a lot of the power of the Trump indictment
by saying, if I'm elected president, I will pardon Donald Trump,
and I will keep him from serving time under what
I think are bogus Department of Justice investigations that are
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entirely based on political related issues. Somebody out there can
call what do you think about that? Angle? Because the
argument has been if Trump gets indicted, it strengthens him
in the primary process because people rally around him. And
I think that certainly happened with March. But if other
Republican candidates out there running for president come out and
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say if I'm elected president, I will pardon Trump, I
don't see any way, Buck And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
I'm wrong. I don't see any way that they could
get this trial scheduled and have a result before November
of twenty twenty four. Maybe they could try to rush
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it through. This is an Andy McCarthy question. He may
be smarter on the timing of this. I haven't heard
a lot of people talk about the timing. But we
know Trump's going to be standing trial in March in
a New York state court. He may have a date
also in Georgia State Court. I don't know that they
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could rush a case, given all the appeals that would
go on and everything else that would get Trump in
front of a jury before the twenty twenty four election
would take place. And if you're an expert on the
DC circuit and you know about timing on criminal charges,
I would be interested to here. But remember on the
jan six defendants buck, a lot of them are just
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now standing trial for San six related offenses.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I try to line this up though, as just a
series of binaries to get closer to what is likely here, Right,
someone you can do like decision tree analysis.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But do we think that Trump is going to face
charges in Georgia? Yes? We agree, yes. Do we think
that Trump is going to face some form of criminal
charges from this special council meaning the DOJ. Merrick Garland's
going to say, you know, he's a former president, but
law's the law. I think we agree, yes, right, yes,
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Do we think that either of those jury pools is
overwhelmingly likely to convict? I think yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Then you get to well, these are serious criminal charges. Now,
this isn't some civil thing in New York that he
can wave his hand at or some fine for the
Trump organization, especially the stuff in Georgia as I see
it right now, because I think maybe maybe it's possible
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that you wouldn't get a prison sentence for the obstruction.
You know, obstruction is a very tough to lock up
a former pressure. It's a conspiracy charge.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Basically, like my old Krim law professor used to say,
we got him for nothing else, Let's get him on.
Let's get him see obstructions like that too.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But the Georgia thing, because they might go for some
kind of a racketeering rico influence elections. I mean, they're
getting real creative with what you're seeing in the press.
I just don't understand how you can If the charges
are brought and he's found guilty, there's gonna have to
be punishment and he'll be a convicted fellow at that point. Right,
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So what's the game plan for the Democrats? I think
it has to be. They're trying to lock him up,
is what I'm getting. I think they're actually trying to.
When I say lock them up, they're not gonna lock
them up for you know, fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But if they can even get a thirty day prison
sentence for Donald Trump think about that, which they would
say is so lenient. Yeah. Look, Buck, here's my big
thing on it. I think if a Trump's best strategy
is to play this out so it doesn't ever go
before need jury until I mean, the New York City case.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Can't get out of Georgia, it doesn't matter even if
he's present.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I don't. I guess what I'm getting at is I
think the New York case is gonna take months. Let's
talk about it when we come back. I'm just working
through the timing of it, leaving aside the legality of
it right now. And again, if there's somebody out there
who's brilliant on DC circuit scheduling that's listening to us
right now or Atlanta Georgia scheduling, I would love to
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Okay, So the question
that I'm asking is one that I have not seen
raised anywhere. So I always like to think strategically, and
I try to tell my kids to do this too.
Pretend that you are the person who is in charge
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of making a really important decision. I'm not in charge
of making a really important decision as it pertains to
any of Trump's criminal, civil legal related issues, right But
as a lawyer, one way you learn is you look
at different circumstances, try to analyze them, work on your judgment.
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So if Donald Trump was like Clay Travis, you graduated
from law school, you know a little bit about media.
You and Buck have got the biggest radio show in
the country right now, how should I handle all these
legal proceedings that are going on right now? My answer,
beyond the shadow of a doubt Buck, is delay, delay, delay.
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You want your lawyers to file as many motions as possible,
presume that you are going to get charged, and we
can talk about what the political ramifications of those charges are.
But if I'm Donald Trump, I do not want to
take my seat in front of a DC jury or
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an Atlanta jury until after the twenty twenty four election, right,
that's number one goal to me.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I honestly believe that you could find a DC jury
that would find Donald Trump guilty of anything. I mean,
I think that, and I don't think it'd be hard
to find them. I think that you could find a
DC jury that would say that Trump assassinated a JFK.
Like they just don't care. They just want to get them.
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It's ninety three percent Democrat. And these people are brave.
Remember they live They're like the bees that are right
in the center of the hive, right, and they're right
up against it all the time, even if they don't
work in politics. As a city, there's this constant osmosis
of the narrative that you're subjected to by living there,
which one of the good reasons why you shouldn't stay
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in DC for too long.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
But I think that that's that's gonna be a huge
challenge because you can't get it. You can't get a
fair jury, and there's really no such thing as a
fair jury for Trump at this point on these issues.
And I remember, this is not did Donald Trump get
drunk one night and run over to people in the crosswalk,
Like that's not political. That's how you did or you didn't.
All of the things they're going after Trump on. Isn't
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it amazing when you think about it, all of it is.
It's either a some campaign finance thing or some election thing,
or some conspiracy in the capital. It's all politics. Really.
The The sole exception you could come up with, and
this is why, would be the the classified documents handling.
But even that, that's a government function that only you know,
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you only do as the president. That's very specific to
your presidential role. So it all ties into politics in
some way, and they're coming at him from every angle. Yeah.
And the easy way to think about that is if
there was a Republican president in office, would they have
raided mar A Lago with the FBI? The answer is
of course no, right, Like, there's a zero percent chance
that raid happens if there is a Republican in office.
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So my advice to Trump is delay, delayed, delay, because
buck they will. You're right, they want to convict him
and they want to try to put him in prison.
But there's no way that can happen. I don't think
based on the schedule right now between now and November
of twenty twenty four. So Trump could theoretically either pardon
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himself or DeSantis or Nikki Haley or Vivi Gramaswami or
Tim Scott, whoever the nominee were. If it were not,
Trump could also pledge. And I would do that right
now if I were running for office. In fact, I
would do it tonight if I were DeSantis. DeSantis is
talking to Elon uh and uh and and in that
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conversation on spaces and then I think he's going on
Fox News tonight. By the way, he's gonna be on
with us tomorrow, so you'll be able to hear just
sayntis on this program tomorrow after he's already announced. I
love how you dropped that asking any question. Clay's like, yeah,
Rona said it is coming more NBD. You know, Yeah,
it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We're gonna have a really interesting I mean now it's
ron de Santis candidate will be joining us. And I
just want everyone to know this Trumps phone is open.
We have reached out to the Trump team. We're gonna,
you know, the equal time for Trump. He needs to
call in. He needs to tell us what he sees
going on with this primary, what he sees with this
legal fight.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You know, let's go, let's let's roll. We've got a
lot to talk to both of them about, no doubt,
and we will break all this down and more. But
that's the I'd go ahead and make that pledge if
I was just antis. We'll talk about it next. Welcome
Back Hour number two, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I want to
dive into a couple of different stories here in a
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moment Disney. We talked about this a little bit earlier, Buck,
Disney is getting absolutely savaged when it comes to its
overall brand value. Disney and I can't believe this is true.
According to an Axio subset of the hundred of the
biggest companies out there is now the fifth most polarizing
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brand in America. How did they get there? Let's we'll
talk about that in a minute. But I wanted to
share with you again what we were talking about at
the end of the first hour and discussing the Trump
legal peril. Buck, do you agree with me that every
Republican running for president should pledge to pardon Donald Trump
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of all federal charges in the event that they are elected.
President in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Absolutely, I don't even I can't even think of, from
a conservative or Republican point of view, a particularly strong
counterpoint to it. I can't see a reason why you wouldn't. Now,
I think it's right on political grounds. I think it's
right on ethical grounds. So what else is there?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah? I mean, I guess if you were someone running
who hates Trump and believes that he should go to prison,
like Liz Cheney, I was saying, then you're then you're
not a republic You're a phony. Right. So and for
any real yeah, like the Lincoln Project would be opposed
to this, right and as a general project, if the
Lincoln Project is opposed to something, and you have a
spine and you have a you know, functional brain, you
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should be opposed to whatever they're opposed to. And it
is funny, by the way, how quickly they've pivoted from
Trump is a unique threat to the Republic. To oh,
if Rondo Santis gets elected, it's important to recognize that
he's maybe even a bigger threat. Uh. But I I
think and correct me if I'm wrong, Buck, But no,
republic I have not seen any Republican candidate running who
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has made that pledge publicly, yet have you no?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
And I mean know, look, Ron is not yet a candidate,
so we'll see what he says. I do remember when
there was the possibility, there was a discussion of extradition,
and everyone recalls there was a little a little bit
of heat on DeSantis when the charges were announced, people saying,
hol lo, wait, so why did he miss this opportunity?
He did say that he would not in any way
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have the State of Florida cooperate in that extradition. Now,
at the end of the day, legally that's you know,
that's a losing battle because of existing law. But he
was basically saying we're gonna do everything we can to
you know, gum up the works and not help out
with this, which which I think was the right move
under those circumstances too. So I would not be surprised
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at all if he came forward and said I wouldn't.
I mean, you know, on the right these days, understanding
who the real opposition is and trying to unite our
team on what really matters. There's going to be fighting,
there's going to be sniping about stuff. But I think
people will see that in a very positive light, and
I think from what I see, I don't know. Maybe
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maybe I'm just missing this right. This is all perception driven.
Whenever there's anything out of the Trump camp or even
some of the Trump some of the Trump spokespersons, that's like, look,
Ron's a great governor, but we just know it has
to be it has to be Trump this go around.
The people that I know who are you know, still deciding,
they're like, you know that that starts to But whenever
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they say, you know, Ron DeSantis is a George funded
sorry George George George Soros funded, you know, globalist deep
state operative who's working with the Builderbergs, I'm like, that's
actually going to help Ron de Santis more.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
That it hurts it. Yeah. I think Trump's strongest argument
on DeSantis is, hey, I'm going to be president for
four more years. He's doing a good job in Florida,
but he's not ready for this job yet, So you
need me for four years and then in twenty twenty eight.
I might even endorse Ron DeSantis because I might think
he's the best option for the country, but he's not
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ready yet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
No, No one wants to feel like someone's turned into
a suicide bomber during the primary. You know what I mean,
Like they're just going to take the whole system down
with them as.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Opposed to the Hillary. Did you see Hillary's tweet? Like
when Trump is basically making the same argument as the
NAACP and Hillary, I think that's a really weak argument
for Trump, right because Hillary is not renowned for her
extreme genius in this respect. But Hillary tweeted, I wanted
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to make sure we hit this too, because I saw
it and I think it ties in with what's happened
to Disney. Hillary tweeted, and I mean, just come on, Hillary,
and then she turned off replies buck so nobody could
actually reply to it. And I would just say this,
if you have an opinion and you turn off everybody
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being able to reply to your opinion on Twitter, then
that is not a very strong sign that your argument
is a good one if you're worried about what people
will say in response to it. But this is I'm
gonna scroll down. I want to make sure I get
her tweet right. Ron de Santis Hillary Clinton. Ron DeSantis's
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ultra maga Florida isn't safe for people of color, LGBTQ
people or even multi billion dollar corporations, and she puts
it in there, and it's a very Clinton move to
put it in multi billion dollar corporations. But when your
argument is Florida sucks and it's an awful place, and
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that's why Ron de Santis doesn't deserve to be president
of the United States, you're basically parroting lies that are
the same thing as what the NAACP and Hillary Clinton
are saying, right, And I think that's a really inefficient
way to attack Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, we all have to be on the same page
about what's good on as a conservative or on the right.
You know, low taxes, low crime relative to what's happened
in the rest of the country, and influx of people.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And it's true, but it's true with Tennessee. It's true
of Texas. You know, we we give you.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's funny because in an how we're Floridy and then
a Tennessee and so we give not as much credit
to Texas as it deserves on this. But Texas was
really the original low tax, pro freedom state that started
to get a lot of people and that's been going on.
I mean, look, I remember when I went to work
for Glenn back at the Blaze. I came out of
the CIA to go work for Glenn and he was
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New York based. Then he moved to Dallas, and at
the time it was people were like, WHOA, how you're
in media?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
How do you do that?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Glenn sees many steps ahead, and he saw I think
what was coming with this sorting of the country into
basically free and authoritarian, which is really what Blue and
Red I think has become. And this is a dynamic
that I'm going to be really interesting to see how
it plays out in the primary overall, because you've got
you look, you've got a lot of You've got a
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bunch of high wattage candidates Like I don't think vi
vek Ramaswami is going to win the election. I mean,
I could be wrong, but he's an interesting guy who,
you know, throws some good points into the mix, and
I think that and understands the economic and financial side
of things. I don't know what Nikki Haley's really going
to be the things other than apparently take cheap shots
at Ron DeSantis on the avad Trump.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
But she's there, so there's that.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
But yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how
all these different candidates look at what is happening in
the country and explain what that vision of the future is.
Is it create the same you know, use the federal
government to create as much room for more you know Tennessee, Florida,
Texas policies in another states. Or is it just try
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to wall off those places and protect them from federal overreach.
I mean, I want to hear what the vision is,
you know, what the national level vision is, because you
really haven't heard that articulated from anyone yet. I mean
Trump you could say it's more of Trump, but things
have changed since Trump. This is a part of it
that we haven't really had much of as part of
the discussion, right the pandemic and the authoritarianism, and you know,
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our perception of American politics since twenty nineteen, you know,
and into twenty twenty, Trump's last year in office has
shifted and the party has shifted too. So there's a
lot that's going to be worked out. I think as
part of the primary.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
This ties in, by the way, why I think DeSantis's
battle with Disney has resonated very well with the base
of the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Now.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I think it's made the corporate ist very nervous. If
you're big business guy, you're not happy with DeSantis feuding
with Disney. And I thought one of the funniest criticisms
that was Ron DeSantis took fifty thousand dollars from Disney
and now he's, you know, taking shots at him. Isn't
that what you want? Don't don't you want someone to
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do what's right irrespective of who their donors are. Like
that actually seems like a really strong point. And to
just so, I remember speaking to a guy in the
world of finance. I always thought this was just realie,
not someone I knew well, but its like a Hedge
funny guy. And we were talking about this is when
I was living in New York City. He said, you
know what I You know what I do. I give
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to I give to every district attorney campaign. I don't
give to.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Give the I give to every there's a candidate who
has any shot of winning.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
I give to Republicans. I did I get to Democrats.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'd give to, you know, the chief commissar if they're
running for district attorney, because I.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Just want to know. I want them to know.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
That is how corporations operate, for the most part, a
lot of them do they just give money to the
whomever they think is going to be in a position
to be advantageous to their interests when it matters, and
that means given to both sides.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Right, Look at even I thought this was interesting about
remember Sam Bankman Freed does that? Does anyone? Can we
just take a moment, how many of you remember remember
a little guy with the curly hair made like tens
of billions of dollars just disappear, and he was like, Hey,
I'm like living in like the top of a manship
and I have sex parties at like this little weird
guy who was, you know, running this crypto exchange that
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the Miami Heat Arena was named for FTX. Right, and uh,
but remember he was giving money or the those guys
were giving money to both sides.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
And people were like, oh, well it's not political. Well no,
it's very political the whole point. So with Ron DeSantis, Okay,
Disney wanted to give him money. Great, they're supporting a
candidate that they hope is a good leader. That's what
the money is supposed to be for. It's not supposed
to be we're buying you off. We're just not saying it.
That's for the Biden family. That's a specific thing.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
So here's the deal, Buck, this Axios poll, Disney carried
a reputation score in twenty fourteen of eighty three out
of one hundred. Most people liked the Disney twenty fourteen.
Not that long ago, didn't you. I grew up loving Disney.
Like Disney products to me was the most like it was.
It was America. It was Americana meets childhood fantasy and dream.
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It was great, right. I mean that's what we did
on our family vacations. We would go, say, stay at
Fort Wilderness campground at the Disney World resort down in Florida.
Obsessed like a huge Disney family. By the way, when
it had a reputation score of eighty three, Buck not
polarizing at all. Democrats and Republicans, this is just twenty
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fourteen had roughly the same opinion of Disney World. Okay, Disney.
This is where it gets interesting. It has collapsed. The
overall brand value of Disney has gone from eighty three
to seventy point nine in the current number. Right, And
when you go dive into it, it's accelerated its collapse
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because it's become very political. Disney's reputation went up a
few points for Democrats by coming out and saying, oh,
we're opposed to don't stay gay, we dislike DeSantis, but
it plunged more among Republicans. So from a pure business perspective,
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leave aside the politics. If your brand is gaining small
amounts with Democrats and lose it losing massive with Republicans,
and we live in a fifty to fifty society, why
in the world would you do that? And along the way,
Disney's polarization has now skyrocketed. It's the fifth most polarizing
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brand they tested in all of America. Buck And you
know what, you know why? This is about people's kids, right,
you know this is about people's children and the.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Implicit promise of Walt Disney that I grew up with,
that you grew up with, and that a lot of
people listening not only did they, they expected that their
kids or their grandkids would have the same explicit or
implicit promise from Disney.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
And it was as follows, we.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Are going to expose your children to beautiful stories of
the good guys triumphing over evil, and it's going to
be creative, and it's going to expose them to beautiful
music and to creativity and it's going to be wondrous.
And instead we got the head of Disney talking about
how we need more trans, non binary and sexually fluid
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and pan sexual characters. And they've started to actually put
that stuff, not to start it to for recent in
recent years put that stuff in their content. And so
the moment that the you know, the corporate entity that
you thought was was, you know, safe for your kids,
I can't even think of a brand that that feels
like more of a betrayal than what, you know, a
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really major But people say bud Light, okay, fine, but
that's about adults, right. No one thinks that bud bud
Light wasn't trying to appeal to four year olds and
six year olds. And what we see here with Disney
is something else. And I think it shows that parents
are waking up. And the math here Buck, this is
what I think is so key. I'm a capitalist.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
If the math added up and by going woke, Disney
was increasing its brand value and they were increasing the
amount of money they could make, then I would say, hey,
you know what this may I may disagree with it,
but there's a logically sound business purpose to it, All
of the numbers reflect that that isn't true. What you
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gain by going woke, you are more than losing on
the other side of the equation. It's basic math and
it's bad business. And that, to me is the argument
that Republicans can make to go beyond why woke is wrong, right,
we disagree with it from a cultural perspective, it's also
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really bad business, and that to me is what you're
seeing in these numbers that are coming out. I totally go.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Let's open the lines up. I got a few things
here if you want to talk about either if you
feel like Disney has betrayed your kids, we.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Want to hear a few.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
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Speaker 1 (50:22):
Clay, Travis, and Buck Sexton
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in everybody. This is the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show. I'm Buck, He's Clay.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We have much to discuss with you today. As always,
thanks for rolling with us.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The announcement comes in a matter of hours. Governor Ron
de Santis of Florida will be officially entering this race,
joining Elon Musk on a Twitter spaces which I think
I know what that is. I certainly know what Twitter is,
But how does this look? How's The Trump campaign responded,
(00:39):
as you can imagine, not a particularly.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Warm welcome from the Trump team. At the prospect here
of a Elon I mean of a Elon launch for
Ron DeSantis, which is imminent. We'll talk more about that.
Still hearing some stuff about how a debt ceiling. Oh,
it's so scary. The debt ceiling.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We may break through without We might update you on
some of that later on in the program. It seems
like there will be a deal. The brinksmanship has gotten stale,
so some of the people who like to push it
are still hoping that you will be particularly aggravated at
the prospect of some kind of major financial crisis coming
(01:25):
along because of this, but I don't think it's going
to happen. But the budget deal, debt ceiling thing, We've
got some more for you on that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
And also.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Target is feeling the heat right now, and I think, Clay,
that's a good place for us to start, because we've seen,
for the first time, really that I can remember, in
the last I don't know, call it the last twelve
months or so, major corporations that have gone extreme left
and very woke with their products and with the way
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they present things. We've seen them start to get meaningful pushback,
not just people saying I don't like this, but financial consequences,
which is the only thing that's going to change that
corporate behavior. Right, unless it hurts the bottom line, nothing changes.
In fact, I had been frustrated for a while because
the right had been saying go woke, go broke.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And it hadn't really been true.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I mean, you look at Colin Kaepernick, for example, somebody
who became much more famous and much wealthier because of
his wokeness. Right, there are other examples you can point to.
We say go woke, go broke, but it hadn't really
hadn't really worked out that way. In fact, I don't
know if it ever really worked out that way pre
who who went woke.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And went broke. It's a really it's a really good,
good point. And this is where I think the sports media,
being so far left wing, Buck has refused to acknowledge
that the NBA and the NFL really took it on
the chin over going woke right, and they really have
(03:01):
tried to run in the opposite direction. It took a
few years for it to register. It's unlike bud Light.
And the reason why I think bud Light's so significant,
Buck is you get a direct amount of bud Light
sold every week and people can say, holy crap, they're
down twenty eight percent. We've never seen anything like this.
I think it's harder to see in some brands than others.
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But the television ratings of the NBA have collapsed. And
I think one thing is sports media is so far
left wing that no one will even acknowledge it because
they don't want to give credit to the idea that
what we said, hey, you're alienating a huge part of
the sporting public was actually true. So I do think
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the NBA is a good example of one that took
it on the chin, and I think, to a certain extent,
Disney because Disney Stockbuck. Yeah, but that's I was gonna
say Disney.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So going back to the timeline, I was gonna say,
Disney is the beginning of what we are seeing now.
Disney was the first one that I can think of
on the NBA, in the NFL. I mean, these guys,
you know, now you get into well, who's going broke clags?
It's not the players. They're demanding more money than ever.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Right. They don't feel like there's any there's no hit
to their pocketbook that's happened because of this, But I
do think it's coming.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So that so then see that's the thing if the
if the NBA takes a fifteen or twenty percent haircut
in because of the ratings, that doesn't register in a
way that everyone feels like this is a big victory.
When bud Light is down thirty percent in one quarter,
you see the work that you have. So let's just
let's again back up for a second.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Disney.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
There's this fight with Ron De Santis, and it was
interesting also to see how this plays out among conservatives
because we generally have a especially about economics.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
A lais a fair attitude about things. Oh, let the
market decide.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, that's not so clear when you have advantages being
given to a company that don't go to other companies,
and that is also taking political action. So Disney was
the beginning of what we saw as pushback. And then
the bud Light phenomenon happened, which has put the fear
of the bottom line, to be sure, if not the
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fear of the almighty into some of these companies. And
then we add to that now Target because of the
bathing suits that tuck away the man stuff. People are
showing up and saying this is a problem. And then
that brings me to the latest play. And this is
going back into the sports world. So the Los Angeles Dodgers,
(05:30):
and I will be honest, I have not watched a
professional baseball game, I think in almost twenty years now,
so I'm not up on the latest. But I know
of these LA Dodgers. I know they used to be
the Brooklyn Dodgers. A long time ago. They had they
had invited for pride celebration stuff. They invited this group
Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, and this is for their annual
(05:53):
LGBTQ Plus. I don't know why they're leaving out the IA.
I think that's really not inclusive enough. I'm gonna write
to the New York Times here because the IA the
plus isn't enough. You need the IA and then the plus.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
But they were.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
They invited the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, and then they
disinvited them, and now they've reinvited them for their June
sixteenth Celebration of Pride night at Dodger Stadium. For anyone
who doesn't know, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence have been
around since I think the eighties. They are cross dressing
gay men who dress as nuns and engage in sexually
(06:33):
provocative public displays. You know, think strip teases, thong dances
dressed in nuns habits, including video that you may see
circulating right now of these, you know, hairy thirty five
year old or whatever men dressed as nuns with high
heels and thongs on doing a strip tease around somebody
(06:56):
pretending to be the crucified Jesus Christ, and we all
sit around saying, okay, first of all, why does anyone
in the Pride celebration community think the Sisters of Perpetual
Indulgence or a group that should be supported period. I
want to start with actually that one for everyone out there.
(07:16):
And then what do the LA Dodgers think the audience
that they have a lot of a lot of Catholics
in general, a lot of Christians in general, a lot
of Latino Catholics for example, who are very fond of baseball.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Probably the base of Dodger fans in LA is overwhelmingly Catholic,
Hispanic fan base. I just have to ask you, clag
I mean, you're you're not a Catholic.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I am if they but if they had invited let's say,
a group that did depictions of the prophet Mohammed and
then sexualized it and mocked the whole thing, would that
be okay? You know, if they did something that was
meant to mock Judaism, If they had a pride group
that had you know, rabbis dressed up and were then
all you know, I can't even describe on radio that
(08:02):
some of the displays that the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence do,
but it's meant to absolutely graphically sexually humiliate Catholics.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's the whole point of it. I was raised Southern Baptist,
so that is my religious background. You are Catholic in particular.
But what I would say, Buck, is what you just said.
If the Dodgers, as part of an outreach, decided that
they were going to allow a group that mocked anyone
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affiliated with the Jewish faith, anyone affiliated with the Muslim faith,
that would be immediately condemned and disallowed. And honestly, if
you mocked Mohammed, you might have to worry about your
players being murdered by terrorists and being put on a
(08:55):
fatwa list like we just saw happened to Salmon Rushti.
Or cartoons controversy, you absolutely would have to worry about
that one hundred percent because they would say, you are
mocking our religion. We're going to kill you, right, And
the fact that if you mock the Muslim faith you
have to worry about being murdered. You saw what happened
(09:17):
with Charlie Hebdo when they published the cartoons there and
they had the attack on the I mean the satirical French,
I mean they had a teacher beheaded for showing a
Muslim representation I think of Mohammed. So this to me
is just should be a bright line rule. And if
if you're Christian, if you're you know, Muslim, if you're Hindu,
(09:40):
if you're Jewish, if you're really not really affiliated with
any religion, I don't understand for the Dodger perspective. And
this goes for all sports teams. How is the standard
not the same for all religions. I mean to me,
if you are going to allow the Catholic faith to
be mocked, then you have to allow all faith groups
(10:02):
to be mocked and honor it, right. I mean, there's
a difference between it existing and the Dodger specifically saying
we want these things. This is representative in our building.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
This is specifically inviting people to go out and I
guess they gather in the stadium. They probably have something
where they go out into you know, center field or
the you know the dugout or whatever they call it
in baseball. So and just so we all understand, this
isn't like a gentle uh parody or satirizing. It's not
(10:32):
in good fun. This group, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
I have seen the videos, I have seen the photos.
I have seen what they do. It is meant to
be not only offensive to Catholics, it's just depraved. I mean,
someone doing a striptease over whether you believe in Jesus
or not, it's a man who's being crucified on a cross,
and you have a nun dressed up who's actually a man.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
By the way. So this stuff is depraved, it is grotesque,
it is wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And yet the Dodgers are more afraid of the backlash
they'll get from the activist community than the Catholics, in
particular because the nuns, obviously is what they're going after here.
And also it's interesting the activist hostility, the LGBTQIA plus
activist hostility toward Catholics is nothing new, something you're not
(11:21):
really supposed to talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You're just supposed to take it as a Catholic. But
when you see what's.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Going on here, Clay, this is another moment where it's
a gut check moment. You know, you ask yourself, Okay,
you're a Roman Catholic. You go to church, let's say
every Sunday or once a year, I don't even care.
But you're somebody who believes, you believe the divinity of
Jesus Christ. You believe in the Bible, you believe in
the Holy Trinity. You're gonna watch a Dodgers game after this.
You're gonna show up. You're gonna buy tickets to go
to Dodger Stadium. You're gonna support them. You're gonna pay
(11:48):
fifteen dollars for crappy beer and a hot dog. I'm sorry,
thirty dollars for crappy beer and a hot dog. That's
how you want to spend your time, your dollars. You
want to support an organization like this. If you do
not bring the Dodgers to your knees, you are not
serious about standing up for your faith in the public
sphere as a Dodgers fan. At this point, that's just
reality now, people, they canug.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Oh, I just love to go with my buddies from
work and whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You want bud Light to feel the pain, you want
target to feel the pain. You want entities to stop
doing things that corrupt, corrode, and undermine our culture, our freedom,
our dignity as a society, or not.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I think it's a gut check moment for a lot
of Look. I mean, I can't pretend if I boycott
baseball nothing happens, because I think that it's the most
boring sport on television next to golf. And I could
care less, but I know there are people listening. We
got a lot of people listening. KEI be Los Angeles,
people in the Los Angeles area. People just like to
watch baseball at home. I think you just have to
ask yourself, if you're a Catholic, why.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Would you continue to support this?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You know, And I think that people say, oh, but
are we calling for boycott's. Yeah, damn right, we're calling
for boycotts. Look at what they're doing. I mean, did
you see the other day, Clay They went viral with
some story.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Oh, they're banning books again in Florida. Yeah, they were
re stocking books. Yeah, I know they were the opposite
of banning. They were buying more books. Just you know,
I think at some point we come back, let let
let's talk about this more. And I want to open
up phone lines eight hundred and two eight two two
eight eight two. What I would say is this, at
some point, I think the key here is that there
(13:22):
are so many people who are on the right and
in the middle, and frankly on the left just a
little bit to the left right, who disagree with a
lot of this, but they don't want to create a stir.
And so for so long, the far left wing in
this country has created all the stirs, and so they
have they have won in many of the cultural battles
out there, and there have been no consequences for going
(13:45):
too far left wing. Zero. We have to stop turning
the other cheek. At some point, when you get punched
in the mouth, you have to throw a punch back.
And I think that's what bud Light has shown. And
I want to talk about how this interplay exist with
cancel culture, because I see a lot of people saying, Oh,
this is canceled culture. It's not. I'll explain what the
(14:05):
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Speaker 2 (15:49):
Keeping it real, keeping it honest, all right, So we
mentioned this yesterday on the show, and we wanted to
spend a little more time with if you want it
right now as we're talking about the primary season really
ramping up and it's it's going to be an interesting one, folks.
I mean, now we're getting Ron DeSantis officially in as
(16:13):
of well six pm Eastern time today, but also you
can see that there's some others who have thrown in already,
Senator Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, vek Ramaswami. I think there's
pretty interesting reporting on a possibility of a young Kin
(16:33):
presidential presidential bid. I think it's possible. Some are even
saying likely right now, So you might have a pretty
interesting primary. I think a primary that hones the different
campaigns and the messages is a good thing. So we'll
have a lot to talk about, a lot to work
through all together here on this program, which is great.
But in the background of all of this, there's something
(16:56):
else going on, something that the Democrats are hoping to
use to subvert the very process of this election. It's
already underway and there are some updates. As you know,
there's a special Council looking at Donald Trump. Now, there
are different things that they are saying about this. There
(17:17):
are different uh you know, components of it. There's the
mar A Lago documents aspect, and then there's the January
sixth insurrection aspect. But it's really just a get Trump
operation right top to the whole thing is again Trump operation.
Once again, they have not stopped. There's also and we're
not even gonna spend much time on this one, Clay
(17:38):
right now, but there's the Georgia election interference situation, right
and that may also be criminal chartist for Trump. Here's
the update from yesterday, Clay. I want I want you
to react to what former Attorney General Bill Barr said,
because I think he's right. I want to know if
(17:59):
you think he's But we'll get to that in a second.
Special Counsel Jack Smith is wrapping up the investigation. According
here to Axios, a bunch of sites and I'm sure
they work. You know, whoever's talking is talking to all
the lib get Trump websites out there, wrapping up the
classified documents issue at mar A Lago. Now, this doesn't
(18:20):
get into specifically the January sixth component. But there's a
belief that, based on what has already gone on here
in the evidence that has been collected, the obstruction component
of the mar A Lago Documents Special Council investigation could
(18:41):
be real legal jeopardy for Trump. Bill Barr, who I know,
you know some of you have mixed opinions on Bill Barr.
He's a very smart guy and a very smart lawyer.
Can get mad at me for saying it, but you'll
never find a lawyer who's a serious person in the
law who will tell you otherwise. He knows the law really,
really well.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
He said.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And he's slam Bragg's indictment is a total you know,
that's a circus, that's ridiculous. That whole thing is a joke.
But he says Trump is very legally exposed on the
on the obstruction issue here, and he says, quote, yes,
I do think he will go to I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no,
he didn't say that. He said he's very exposed. Ty Cobb,
(19:21):
who was the Trump former Trump White House lawyer, said quote, yes,
I do think he will go to jail on us.
You've got Bar saying he's exposed Cobb saying he thinks
he'll actually go to jail.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
What do you think, oh man, I think I think
charges are going to be brought, and I think chargers
are going to be brought. We already know New York City,
and they announced, by the way, that that trial will
take place in late March of election season, right like
right in the middle of the primary. Don't mistake what's
going on there. Fanny willis down in Georgia. Buck, They've
(19:52):
basically cleared the docket for the first three weeks of August.
So the expec is Georgia, if you were she already
said they're going to do something in the summer. The
expectation is, if you're looking at your calendar, that a
Trump indictment in Georgia could happen in August. I feel
like all these prosecutors are talking. Maybe they're not. I
(20:14):
would be stunned if they aren't. I feel like there
will be an indictment for Trump on federal issues at
some point in June or July. That would be my
prediction that we will get an indictment from the United
States government the Jack Smith investigation of Trump. If that occurs,
(20:35):
then the question becomes are you confident that a jury
would not convict Donald Trump in in District of Columbia courts.
I think he would get convicted right now. The question
that's interesting to me, Buck, is the timing on this,
(20:55):
because you could have a situation where Trump is and
there is a choice made about whether or not to
pardon him of federal charges. Trump could, theoretically, I think, Buck,
get elected in November of twenty four before they were
(21:15):
able to try him on these federal charges and pardon
himself as president of the United States. That's an interesting perspective.
I think what also would happen, And this is something
that I would be curious to see how it would
play out. And I have not heard anybody else analyze this,
And certainly if there are really smart attorneys out there
(21:36):
listening and you want to weigh in on this idea,
I would love to hear what you think. Eight hundred
and two two eight A two, Buck. Here's what I
would advise. If I were advising DeSantis or vivik Ramaswami
or Nicki Haley or Tim Scott or any of those people,
I would advise them to say, Hey, if I'm elected
president in twenty twenty four, I will pardon Donald Trump
(21:59):
on all federal charges, and that would effectively wipe it out. Now,
what I'm getting at here, Buck, is the only way
that Trump might ever stand charge on any of these
Department of Justice brought charges would be if Biden wins.
So a big part of the November election, even if
Trump were not the nominee, could end up being do
(22:22):
you think Trump should stand trial there? Now? To be fair,
you cannot pardon on state related criminal charges, right, So
Georgia's a problem. Regardless, New York City and Georgia could
still be issues. And we talked about this. We got
a great call. This is where I talk about the
brilliance of some of our callers. Remember they called in
Buck and said, Georgia is one of like three states
(22:43):
in the nation where the governor of Georgia does not
have the ability to pardon for state related offenses. So
Brian Kemp, even though there's a Republican governor of Georgia,
would not have the ability to pardon Trump even if
he wanted to in Atlanta on this case, if he
were convicted. So I can see an opportunity DeSantis is
(23:05):
announcing tonight. I can see an opportunity for DeSantis to
cut a lot of the power of the Trump indictment
by saying, if I'm elected president, I will pardon Donald Trump,
and I will keep him from serving time under what
I think are bogus Department of Justice investigations that are
(23:27):
entirely based on political related issues. Somebody out there can
call what do you think about that? Angle? Because the
argument has been if Trump gets indicted, it strengthens him
in the primary process because people rally around him. And
I think that certainly happened with March. But if other
Republican candidates out there running for president come out and
(23:49):
say if I'm elected president, I will pardon Trump, I
don't see any way, Buck And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
I'm wrong. I don't see any way that they could
get this trial scheduled and have a result before November
of twenty twenty four. Maybe they could try to rush
(24:09):
it through. This is an Andy McCarthy question. He may
be smarter on the timing of this. I haven't heard
a lot of people talk about the timing. But we
know Trump's going to be standing trial in March in
a New York state court. He may have a date
also in Georgia State Court. I don't know that they
(24:29):
could rush a case, given all the appeals that would
go on and everything else that would get Trump in
front of a jury before the twenty twenty four election
would take place. And if you're an expert on the
DC circuit and you know about timing on criminal charges,
I would be interested to here. But remember on the
jan six defendants buck, a lot of them are just
(24:50):
now standing trial for San six related offenses.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I try to line this up though, as just a
series of binaries to get closer to what is likely here, Right,
someone you can do like decision tree analysis.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But do we think that Trump is going to face
charges in Georgia? Yes? We agree, yes. Do we think
that Trump is going to face some form of criminal
charges from this special council meaning the DOJ. Merrick Garland's
going to say, you know, he's a former president, but
law's the law. I think we agree, yes, right, yes,
(25:26):
Do we think that either of those jury pools is
overwhelmingly likely to convict? I think yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Then you get to well, these are serious criminal charges. Now,
this isn't some civil thing in New York that he
can wave his hand at or some fine for the
Trump organization, especially the stuff in Georgia as I see
it right now, because I think maybe maybe it's possible
(25:57):
that you wouldn't get a prison sentence for the obstruction.
You know, obstruction is a very tough to lock up
a former pressure. It's a conspiracy charge.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Basically, like my old Krim law professor used to say,
we got him for nothing else, Let's get him on.
Let's get him see obstructions like that too.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But the Georgia thing, because they might go for some
kind of a racketeering rico influence elections. I mean, they're
getting real creative with what you're seeing in the press.
I just don't understand how you can If the charges
are brought and he's found guilty, there's gonna have to
be punishment and he'll be a convicted fellow at that point. Right,
(26:33):
So what's the game plan for the Democrats? I think
it has to be. They're trying to lock him up,
is what I'm getting. I think they're actually trying to.
When I say lock them up, they're not gonna lock
them up for you know, fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But if they can even get a thirty day prison
sentence for Donald Trump think about that, which they would
say is so lenient. Yeah. Look, Buck, here's my big
thing on it. I think if a Trump's best strategy
is to play this out so it doesn't ever go
before need jury until I mean, the New York City case.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Can't get out of Georgia, it doesn't matter even if
he's present.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I don't. I guess what I'm getting at is I
think the New York case is gonna take months. Let's
talk about it when we come back. I'm just working
through the timing of it, leaving aside the legality of
it right now. And again, if there's somebody out there
who's brilliant on DC circuit scheduling that's listening to us
right now or Atlanta Georgia scheduling, I would love to
(27:26):
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Speaker 3 (28:59):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Okay, So the question
that I'm asking is one that I have not seen
raised anywhere. So I always like to think strategically, and
I try to tell my kids to do this too.
Pretend that you are the person who is in charge
(29:20):
of making a really important decision. I'm not in charge
of making a really important decision as it pertains to
any of Trump's criminal, civil legal related issues, right But
as a lawyer, one way you learn is you look
at different circumstances, try to analyze them, work on your judgment.
(29:40):
So if Donald Trump was like Clay Travis, you graduated
from law school, you know a little bit about media.
You and Buck have got the biggest radio show in
the country right now, how should I handle all these
legal proceedings that are going on right now? My answer,
beyond the shadow of a doubt Buck, is delay, delay, delay.
(30:02):
You want your lawyers to file as many motions as possible,
presume that you are going to get charged, and we
can talk about what the political ramifications of those charges are.
But if I'm Donald Trump, I do not want to
take my seat in front of a DC jury or
(30:23):
an Atlanta jury until after the twenty twenty four election, right,
that's number one goal to me.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I honestly believe that you could find a DC jury
that would find Donald Trump guilty of anything. I mean,
I think that, and I don't think it'd be hard
to find them. I think that you could find a
DC jury that would say that Trump assassinated a JFK.
Like they just don't care. They just want to get them.
(30:49):
It's ninety three percent Democrat. And these people are brave.
Remember they live They're like the bees that are right
in the center of the hive, right, and they're right
up against it all the time, even if they don't
work in politics. As a city, there's this constant osmosis
of the narrative that you're subjected to by living there,
which one of the good reasons why you shouldn't stay
(31:09):
in DC for too long.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
But I think that that's that's gonna be a huge
challenge because you can't get it. You can't get a
fair jury, and there's really no such thing as a
fair jury for Trump at this point on these issues.
And I remember, this is not did Donald Trump get
drunk one night and run over to people in the crosswalk,
Like that's not political. That's how you did or you didn't.
All of the things they're going after Trump on. Isn't
(31:33):
it amazing when you think about it, all of it is.
It's either a some campaign finance thing or some election thing,
or some conspiracy in the capital. It's all politics. Really.
The The sole exception you could come up with, and
this is why, would be the the classified documents handling.
But even that, that's a government function that only you know,
(31:56):
you only do as the president. That's very specific to
your presidential role. So it all ties into politics in
some way, and they're coming at him from every angle. Yeah.
And the easy way to think about that is if
there was a Republican president in office, would they have
raided mar A Lago with the FBI? The answer is
of course no, right, Like, there's a zero percent chance
that raid happens if there is a Republican in office.
(32:18):
So my advice to Trump is delay, delayed, delay, because
buck they will. You're right, they want to convict him
and they want to try to put him in prison.
But there's no way that can happen. I don't think
based on the schedule right now between now and November
of twenty twenty four. So Trump could theoretically either pardon
(32:41):
himself or DeSantis or Nikki Haley or Vivi Gramaswami or
Tim Scott, whoever the nominee were. If it were not,
Trump could also pledge. And I would do that right
now if I were running for office. In fact, I
would do it tonight if I were DeSantis. DeSantis is
talking to Elon uh and uh and and in that
(33:03):
conversation on spaces and then I think he's going on
Fox News tonight. By the way, he's gonna be on
with us tomorrow, so you'll be able to hear just
sayntis on this program tomorrow after he's already announced. I
love how you dropped that asking any question. Clay's like, yeah,
Rona said it is coming more NBD. You know, Yeah,
it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We're gonna have a really interesting I mean now it's
ron de Santis candidate will be joining us. And I
just want everyone to know this Trumps phone is open.
We have reached out to the Trump team. We're gonna,
you know, the equal time for Trump. He needs to
call in. He needs to tell us what he sees
going on with this primary, what he sees with this
legal fight.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You know, let's go, let's let's roll. We've got a
lot to talk to both of them about, no doubt,
and we will break all this down and more. But
that's the I'd go ahead and make that pledge if
I was just antis. We'll talk about it next. Welcome
Back Hour number two, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I want to
dive into a couple of different stories here in a
(33:57):
moment Disney. We talked about this a little bit earlier, Buck,
Disney is getting absolutely savaged when it comes to its
overall brand value. Disney and I can't believe this is true.
According to an Axio subset of the hundred of the
biggest companies out there is now the fifth most polarizing
(34:20):
brand in America. How did they get there? Let's we'll
talk about that in a minute. But I wanted to
share with you again what we were talking about at
the end of the first hour and discussing the Trump
legal peril. Buck, do you agree with me that every
Republican running for president should pledge to pardon Donald Trump
(34:42):
of all federal charges in the event that they are elected.
President in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Absolutely, I don't even I can't even think of, from
a conservative or Republican point of view, a particularly strong
counterpoint to it. I can't see a reason why you wouldn't. Now,
I think it's right on political grounds. I think it's
right on ethical grounds. So what else is there?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah? I mean, I guess if you were someone running
who hates Trump and believes that he should go to prison,
like Liz Cheney, I was saying, then you're then you're
not a republic You're a phony. Right. So and for
any real yeah, like the Lincoln Project would be opposed
to this, right and as a general project, if the
Lincoln Project is opposed to something, and you have a
spine and you have a you know, functional brain, you
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should be opposed to whatever they're opposed to. And it
is funny, by the way, how quickly they've pivoted from
Trump is a unique threat to the Republic. To oh,
if Rondo Santis gets elected, it's important to recognize that
he's maybe even a bigger threat. Uh. But I I
think and correct me if I'm wrong, Buck, But no,
republic I have not seen any Republican candidate running who
(35:49):
has made that pledge publicly, yet have you no?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
And I mean know, look, Ron is not yet a candidate,
so we'll see what he says. I do remember when
there was the possibility, there was a discussion of extradition,
and everyone recalls there was a little a little bit
of heat on DeSantis when the charges were announced, people saying,
hol lo, wait, so why did he miss this opportunity?
He did say that he would not in any way
(36:15):
have the State of Florida cooperate in that extradition. Now,
at the end of the day, legally that's you know,
that's a losing battle because of existing law. But he
was basically saying we're gonna do everything we can to
you know, gum up the works and not help out
with this, which which I think was the right move
under those circumstances too. So I would not be surprised
(36:35):
at all if he came forward and said I wouldn't.
I mean, you know, on the right these days, understanding
who the real opposition is and trying to unite our
team on what really matters. There's going to be fighting,
there's going to be sniping about stuff. But I think
people will see that in a very positive light, and
I think from what I see, I don't know. Maybe
(36:56):
maybe I'm just missing this right. This is all perception driven.
Whenever there's anything out of the Trump camp or even
some of the Trump some of the Trump spokespersons, that's like, look,
Ron's a great governor, but we just know it has
to be it has to be Trump this go around.
The people that I know who are you know, still deciding,
they're like, you know that that starts to But whenever
(37:17):
they say, you know, Ron DeSantis is a George funded
sorry George George George Soros funded, you know, globalist deep
state operative who's working with the Builderbergs, I'm like, that's
actually going to help Ron de Santis more.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
That it hurts it. Yeah. I think Trump's strongest argument
on DeSantis is, hey, I'm going to be president for
four more years. He's doing a good job in Florida,
but he's not ready for this job yet, So you
need me for four years and then in twenty twenty eight.
I might even endorse Ron DeSantis because I might think
he's the best option for the country, but he's not
(37:52):
ready yet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
No, No one wants to feel like someone's turned into
a suicide bomber during the primary. You know what I mean,
Like they're just going to take the whole system down
with them as.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Opposed to the Hillary. Did you see Hillary's tweet? Like
when Trump is basically making the same argument as the
NAACP and Hillary, I think that's a really weak argument
for Trump, right because Hillary is not renowned for her
extreme genius in this respect. But Hillary tweeted, I wanted
(38:20):
to make sure we hit this too, because I saw
it and I think it ties in with what's happened
to Disney. Hillary tweeted, and I mean, just come on, Hillary,
and then she turned off replies buck so nobody could
actually reply to it. And I would just say this,
if you have an opinion and you turn off everybody
(38:40):
being able to reply to your opinion on Twitter, then
that is not a very strong sign that your argument
is a good one if you're worried about what people
will say in response to it. But this is I'm
gonna scroll down. I want to make sure I get
her tweet right. Ron de Santis Hillary Clinton. Ron DeSantis's
(39:01):
ultra maga Florida isn't safe for people of color, LGBTQ
people or even multi billion dollar corporations, and she puts
it in there, and it's a very Clinton move to
put it in multi billion dollar corporations. But when your
argument is Florida sucks and it's an awful place, and
(39:23):
that's why Ron de Santis doesn't deserve to be president
of the United States, you're basically parroting lies that are
the same thing as what the NAACP and Hillary Clinton
are saying, right, And I think that's a really inefficient
way to attack Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, we all have to be on the same page
about what's good on as a conservative or on the right.
You know, low taxes, low crime relative to what's happened
in the rest of the country, and influx of people.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And it's true, but it's true with Tennessee. It's true
of Texas. You know, we we give you.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's funny because in an how we're Floridy and then
a Tennessee and so we give not as much credit
to Texas as it deserves on this. But Texas was
really the original low tax, pro freedom state that started
to get a lot of people and that's been going on.
I mean, look, I remember when I went to work
for Glenn back at the Blaze. I came out of
the CIA to go work for Glenn and he was
(40:17):
New York based. Then he moved to Dallas, and at
the time it was people were like, WHOA, how you're
in media?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
How do you do that?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Glenn sees many steps ahead, and he saw I think
what was coming with this sorting of the country into
basically free and authoritarian, which is really what Blue and
Red I think has become. And this is a dynamic
that I'm going to be really interesting to see how
it plays out in the primary overall, because you've got
you look, you've got a lot of You've got a
(40:43):
bunch of high wattage candidates Like I don't think vi
vek Ramaswami is going to win the election. I mean,
I could be wrong, but he's an interesting guy who,
you know, throws some good points into the mix, and
I think that and understands the economic and financial side
of things. I don't know what Nikki Haley's really going
to be the things other than apparently take cheap shots
at Ron DeSantis on the avad Trump.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
But she's there, so there's that.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
But yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how
all these different candidates look at what is happening in
the country and explain what that vision of the future is.
Is it create the same you know, use the federal
government to create as much room for more you know Tennessee, Florida,
Texas policies in another states. Or is it just try
(41:29):
to wall off those places and protect them from federal overreach.
I mean, I want to hear what the vision is,
you know, what the national level vision is, because you
really haven't heard that articulated from anyone yet. I mean
Trump you could say it's more of Trump, but things
have changed since Trump. This is a part of it
that we haven't really had much of as part of
the discussion, right the pandemic and the authoritarianism, and you know,
(41:53):
our perception of American politics since twenty nineteen, you know,
and into twenty twenty, Trump's last year in office has
shifted and the party has shifted too. So there's a
lot that's going to be worked out. I think as
part of the primary.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
This ties in, by the way, why I think DeSantis's
battle with Disney has resonated very well with the base
of the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Now.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I think it's made the corporate ist very nervous. If
you're big business guy, you're not happy with DeSantis feuding
with Disney. And I thought one of the funniest criticisms
that was Ron DeSantis took fifty thousand dollars from Disney
and now he's, you know, taking shots at him. Isn't
that what you want? Don't don't you want someone to
(42:38):
do what's right irrespective of who their donors are. Like
that actually seems like a really strong point. And to
just so, I remember speaking to a guy in the
world of finance. I always thought this was just realie,
not someone I knew well, but its like a Hedge
funny guy. And we were talking about this is when
I was living in New York City. He said, you
know what I You know what I do. I give
(42:59):
to I give to every district attorney campaign. I don't
give to.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Give the I give to every there's a candidate who
has any shot of winning.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
I give to Republicans. I did I get to Democrats.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'd give to, you know, the chief commissar if they're
running for district attorney, because I.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Just want to know. I want them to know.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
That is how corporations operate, for the most part, a
lot of them do they just give money to the
whomever they think is going to be in a position
to be advantageous to their interests when it matters, and
that means given to both sides.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Right, Look at even I thought this was interesting about
remember Sam Bankman Freed does that? Does anyone? Can we
just take a moment, how many of you remember remember
a little guy with the curly hair made like tens
of billions of dollars just disappear, and he was like, Hey,
I'm like living in like the top of a manship
and I have sex parties at like this little weird
guy who was, you know, running this crypto exchange that
(43:55):
the Miami Heat Arena was named for FTX. Right, and uh,
but remember he was giving money or the those guys
were giving money to both sides.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
And people were like, oh, well it's not political. Well no,
it's very political the whole point. So with Ron DeSantis, Okay,
Disney wanted to give him money. Great, they're supporting a
candidate that they hope is a good leader. That's what
the money is supposed to be for. It's not supposed
to be we're buying you off. We're just not saying it.
That's for the Biden family. That's a specific thing.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
So here's the deal, Buck, this Axios poll, Disney carried
a reputation score in twenty fourteen of eighty three out
of one hundred. Most people liked the Disney twenty fourteen.
Not that long ago, didn't you. I grew up loving Disney.
Like Disney products to me was the most like it was.
It was America. It was Americana meets childhood fantasy and dream.
(44:47):
It was great, right. I mean that's what we did
on our family vacations. We would go, say, stay at
Fort Wilderness campground at the Disney World resort down in Florida.
Obsessed like a huge Disney family. By the way, when
it had a reputation score of eighty three, Buck not
polarizing at all. Democrats and Republicans, this is just twenty
(45:09):
fourteen had roughly the same opinion of Disney World. Okay, Disney.
This is where it gets interesting. It has collapsed. The
overall brand value of Disney has gone from eighty three
to seventy point nine in the current number. Right, And
when you go dive into it, it's accelerated its collapse
(45:30):
because it's become very political. Disney's reputation went up a
few points for Democrats by coming out and saying, oh,
we're opposed to don't stay gay, we dislike DeSantis, but
it plunged more among Republicans. So from a pure business perspective,
(45:51):
leave aside the politics. If your brand is gaining small
amounts with Democrats and lose it losing massive with Republicans,
and we live in a fifty to fifty society, why
in the world would you do that? And along the way,
Disney's polarization has now skyrocketed. It's the fifth most polarizing
(46:15):
brand they tested in all of America. Buck And you
know what, you know why? This is about people's kids, right,
you know this is about people's children and the.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Implicit promise of Walt Disney that I grew up with,
that you grew up with, and that a lot of
people listening not only did they, they expected that their
kids or their grandkids would have the same explicit or
implicit promise from Disney.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
And it was as follows, we.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Are going to expose your children to beautiful stories of
the good guys triumphing over evil, and it's going to
be creative, and it's going to expose them to beautiful
music and to creativity and it's going to be wondrous.
And instead we got the head of Disney talking about
how we need more trans, non binary and sexually fluid
(47:05):
and pan sexual characters. And they've started to actually put
that stuff, not to start it to for recent in
recent years put that stuff in their content. And so
the moment that the you know, the corporate entity that
you thought was was, you know, safe for your kids,
I can't even think of a brand that that feels
like more of a betrayal than what, you know, a
(47:27):
really major But people say bud Light, okay, fine, but
that's about adults, right. No one thinks that bud bud
Light wasn't trying to appeal to four year olds and
six year olds. And what we see here with Disney
is something else. And I think it shows that parents
are waking up. And the math here Buck, this is
what I think is so key. I'm a capitalist.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
If the math added up and by going woke, Disney
was increasing its brand value and they were increasing the
amount of money they could make, then I would say, hey,
you know what this may I may disagree with it,
but there's a logically sound business purpose to it, All
of the numbers reflect that that isn't true. What you
(48:11):
gain by going woke, you are more than losing on
the other side of the equation. It's basic math and
it's bad business. And that, to me is the argument
that Republicans can make to go beyond why woke is wrong, right,
we disagree with it from a cultural perspective, it's also
(48:31):
really bad business, and that to me is what you're
seeing in these numbers that are coming out. I totally go.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Let's open the lines up. I got a few things
here if you want to talk about either if you
feel like Disney has betrayed your kids, we.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Want to hear a few.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
But also if you got we got on a lot
of people waiting, so we'll try to get to some
of your thoughts on where we stand here with the
political situation as it plays out and Donald Trump possibly
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