May 25, 2023 • 57 mins
DeSantis tells us why he's ALL IN. Julie Kelly reacts to Oath Keepers 18-year sentencing. What will keep the left from stealing the next election?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us this Thursday edition. Right off
the top. He announced officially for president yesterday. He is
with us now, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Governor.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I know you're in a whirlwind right now.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We appreciate you coming on with us live right off
the top of the show here, and I'm going to
hit you with the question that everybody listening to us
wants to know the answer to. You say you can
beat Joe Biden, you think Donald Trump cannot. Why are
you the right choice? Why is Trump the wrong choice?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, we know the country's going in the wrong direction.
We see it with our own eyes and we can
feel it in our bones, and so we need to
offer an alternative path to a stronger America. And I
think what we've done in Florida is face bigger test
than any governor has ever had to face, particularly with COVID,
and we were a to win all of those battles.
(01:02):
We took a state that had been a fifty to
fifty state and turned it into a sixty forty state
with my reelection. And that's not just winning Republicans, that's
winning independent voters by eighteen percent, it's winning sixty percent
of Hispanic voters, winning women voters by eight percent. I
never contorted myself to try to fit the political wins.
(01:22):
I was a bold leader. It was bold colors, not
pale pastels. But I was able to do that in
a way that really developed the groundswell of support. I
think the vast majority of the country wants a different
direction than what they're getting with Joe Biden, and I
think that if I'm the candidate, we will win, and
I think we will win convincingly. In my promise to
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the voters participating in this primary, if you nominate me,
then January twentieth, twenty twenty five, my left hand will
beyond the Bible, my right hand will be up in
the air on the west side of the Capitol, and
I'll take the oath as President number forty seven. And
then we'll get to work and we will do in
the US all the good things that we did in
the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Governor de Santis, it's buck appreciate you being here with
us and congrats on the announcement and getting into the
mix here. It's going to be an interesting primary. We
all expect that. I was wondering what your message is
to a lot of the folks out there who want
to hear about an economic vision about how things can
get better for them. We know the Biden economy stinks,
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everyone's clear on that. We know inflation has been at
forty year highs. What are the things that you would
do that would, specifically as president, help the working men
and women, many of whom feel forgotten by the Biden administration?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Absolutely Well. First, I could point out nobody has done
better on the economy than we have in Florida since
COVID started. My whole administration has been strong. But if
you look at a lot of the problems we see
with our overall national economy, they're rooted in March of
twenty twenty with FALCI, the lockdowns, the FED printing all
the money. We've bucked all of that, and we kept
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people free, open schools. We have the great pats and
regulatory climate, and we've had people coming to invest in
Florida in record numbers. People are doing very well here.
Our unemployment rate is two point six percent. Blue California
and New York are like four to four point one percent,
So that's a significant difference, and we've outperformed the country.
So that's a great track record to run on. What
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you do as president is one, you deal with inflation
by doing really three main things. One, stop spending so
much money. A president needs to wield the veto pen
against the spendthrift Congress. We have not had a president
willing to do that in a long time. I will
do it because that's part of the reason inflation is
where it is. Two, reverse Biden's energy policies. Embrace domestic
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energy production. That will help lower inflation because energy costs
are an important part of that. It's also good for
our national security and it's good for jobs. And then three,
you know, the Federal Reserve is a big part of
this problem because they printed such an ungodly amount of money.
Their role should be to maintain a stable dollar. They
should not be economic central planners, and you need to
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have somebody in the Federal Reserve that is going to
respect that limited role. We also have to look at
the left's agenda. What they're doing is they're making it
impossible for middle class people to maintain that standard of
living because the energy costs will go up. They have
all these other mandates on things like automobiles, for example.
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I don't think that we should be forcing people in
the electric cars. If you want to do that, that's fine.
Why would we want to rely on China for more
key materials and a key part of our economy. It
makes no sense from a national security perspective. We'll also
look at ways to lighten the tax burden. We've done
that in Florida. We just signed tax relief no taxes
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on any baby items, so we want to help families,
so that's all tax free. Now we have a toll
relief program where we're reducing tolls by fifty percent. So
finding ways that the people that are working hard get
reliefed because I think what Biden and the Democrats have
done is you're almost better off not doing it the
right way. The people that just show up for work
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every day, work hard, they don't ask for anything special,
they end up having the more difficult time making ends meet. Meanwhile,
if you do the wrong things, or if you're just
politically connected to the agenda, then you end up better off.
And that's not what the American dream is all about.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
We're talking to Florida Governor Ron des Atsis. He announced
yesterday he is joining us live here to start off
the program. I'm sure you agree. You have a law background.
You've obviously been very aggressive legally in what you can
and cannot do as a governor of Florida Department of Justice.
The FBI has gone after the January sixth defendants with
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reckless I would say abandoned. A big part of being
president is hardened powers.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Do you think the.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
January sixth defendants deserve to have their cases examined by
a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged
with federal offenses and you are the president of the
United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself
based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The DOJ and FBI have been weaponized. We see that.
We see it in a variety of contexts. Some of
what you mentioned. Some of it as the FBI going
after parents, going to school board meetings. Some of it's
how they treat a pro life demonstrator, how they don't
go after people that are attacking pro lifers, And so
what I'm going to do is I'm going to do
on day one. I will have folks that will get
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together and look at all these cases who people are
victims of weaponization or political targeting, and we will be
aggressive at issuing pardon. Now, some of these cases, some
people may have a technical violation of the law, but
if there are three other people who did the same
thing but just in a context like BLM and they
don't get prosecuted at all, that is uneven application of justice.
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And so we're going to find ways where that did
not happen, and then we will use the pardon power.
And I will do that at the front end. You know,
a lot of people wait until the end of the
administration to issue pardons. We're going to find examples where
government's been weaponized against disfavored groups, and we will apply
relief as appropriate. But it will be done on a
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case by case basis, because I think you've got to
make sure that because there's a whole bunch of cases
that don't necessarily get headlines. But if people are being
treated just because they don't get on a TV or something,
they're being treated disfavorably, they need to have a fair
hearing as well.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And that could be from a grandma who got arrested
and prosecuted too much, all the way up to potentially
Trump himself. Is that fair to say when you analyze
what the charges might have been brought on a federal level.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I would say any example of this favored treatment based
on politics or weaponization would would be included in that review,
no matter how small or how big.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Governor One more for you, so I know you've got
a very busy day ahead of you. And actually wait,
Clay has one more, two at the very end, so
we got two more for you. But what we promise
will be quick. The border, huge problem at the borders.
We all know six million illegals, give or take, have
come into the country. You just signed something in Florida
that implements e Verify, which is actually dealing with the
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illegal population in Florida in a way that Republicans have
said they've wanted to for a long time. What does
a federal policy look like under De Santis administration to
deal with both the border and illegal immigrants who are
already here.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So national emergency declared on day one, all resources mobilized,
including the military, at the southern border. Construction of the
border wall starts, and we will keep going until we
finish that. We will stop entertaining asylum claim for people
that come illegally across the border. These are mostly economic
migrants and that's not the way you do asylum, and
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so we'll make that very clear. And then we're going
to hold the drug cartels accountable for what they're doing
and trafficking people into our country and trafficking in a
huge amounts of narcotics that's killing tens of thousands of Americans.
Now overall, I would do everify nationwide. That you have
to do that through Congress. That's very difficult to do.
(09:27):
It was hard to do in Florida because you have
the left that opposes it because they want illegal immigration.
But then you also have big business and corporations who
also want illegal immigration because they want the cheap labor.
So that was a very difficult nut for us to
crack in Florida. We finally got it done, and I
think it's going to make a big, big difference, and
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so we would definitely look at doing those things. But
this issue has persisted throughout my entire adult lifetime, and
we've had Republicans talking about it for decades. This is
the time to finally put the issue to bed, and
I will do it on day one, and I'll use
all the lovers at my disposal to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Combo question for you here. Your wife, Casey's fantastic. She's
already gotten attacked by Politico. They called her basically Lady Macbeth.
I'm wondering what you think about your family already in
the line of fire. Second part of this this is
a little bit different question. But you now are running
for president of the United States. I think your first
(10:30):
love was baseball. If you could have had a pro
baseball career, would you have ever gotten in politics? Would
you be running for governor, congressman, and now president at all?
If you had been a little bit better baseball player.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
No. I mean, if I had had a spot in
the major leagues in my early twenties, I would have
taken that about anything else that anyone could have offered me,
and I would have played as long as I could have.
I mean, that's just when you're in the sports, just
what you do. So I absolutely would have done that.
I wouldn't have thought twice about it, and would have
loved to have that privilege, and you know, it's tough
(11:07):
because that's ninety nine point ninety nine percentile that you
got to get into to get to that level. Look,
in terms of the family, my wife and I know
how this game works. We were not surprised by it. Obviously,
the media will get anonymous sources and people that already
don't like us, who don't even really know us, and
they'll try to create narratives. And the good news is
is most people realize for what that is. They don't
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accept the narratives, and they realize and understand, Gee, this
casey Dissanna. She must be really good. Otherwise the media
wouldn't be going after And the fact is she's been
an incredible first lady for Florida. She's made a huge
difference across multiple issues. She's obviously a wonderful mother and wife,
and she's a heck of an advocate to have out
there on the campaign trail. These guys in the corporate press,
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they know that and that's why they're doing it. They're
not to attacking anybody else's spouse. It's just her, So
we understand that just with the territory. But like when
they attack me, we both view it as a sin
of strength. Ever since I won reelection, like I've been
the number one target of attacks. She's getting attacked because
people know that we're forced to be reckoned with. We
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are a threat to the lefts hold on power in
this country, and that's why we're always targeted for negative coverage.
But you know what, you know they are right that
we represent a threat to leftism in this country because
we beat leftism in Florida in ways nobody would have
thought possible just five years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Governor Ron de Santas of Florida, he is running, Folks, Governor,
it is going to be a heck of a primary.
Appreciate you making time for us, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Thanks so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
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Speaker 1 (14:06):
Learn and Last Weekdays with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody,
thanks for being here with us. And as we started
off the show, you know because Governoran DeSantis joined us,
we'll play some of that audio. For you in the
third hour perhaps and go back over a little bit
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of where the political landscape stands right now. But the
primary is now. It feels fully underway with the two heavyweights,
at least by the polls, not a wait joke. By
the polls, Governoran DeSantis and Donald Trump, President Trump are
in the mix now. It is official. Also, we had
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breaking news that just hit in the last few moments,
just hitting the news wires, so you might be hearing
it here for the first time. The the oath Keeper's individual,
I believe the Oathkeepers. He's a founder or a leader
of the oath Keepers that was prosecuted for his role
in January sixth on seditious conspiracy charges. Just got eighteen
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years in federal prison. Eighteen years, and you would you'd
have to wonder what exactly did he do? Who goes
away for eighteen years? These days, well, I can tell
you who doesn't go away at all, it seems Hunter Biden.
Because we also have more and more information, I think
we're gonna speak to Congress and Jim Jordan later on
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this week about this. The whistleblower from within the IRS
coming forward. You got whistleblower from the IRS, the FBI,
other places coming forward on a whole range of issues.
They realize the damage that the deep state is doing.
But specifically Clay the Irs whistleblower is saying there are
irregularities when it came to the Hunt her Biden funding, right,
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the Hunter Biden getting all this money. Bribes, It's called bribes.
We can use the word, I think from around the world,
not paying taxes on it. That's usually pretty straightforward stuff.
What are your thoughts as we see so the oath
keepers got I mean, did he I don't think he was.
He one of the ones who was he even there?
(16:24):
I'm checking this up right now, But you tell me
what your first reaction is.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, I mean, this goes to what we talked about
with Ron DeSantis in the first hour, and what Trump
has discussed as well, and what I'm going to pat
ourselves on the back a little bit. Julie Kelly has
been covering this better than anybody, and I don't know
that there's any media outlet that has had Julie on
more than we have to tell this story. And you
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know I went out and gave thousands of dollars of
my own personal money for these January sixth defendants to
be able to have better legal representation. Does this political persecution?
There is there's no way on earth that the average
January sixth defendant, who is many of them being being
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sentenced more severely for what they did associated with January
sixth than people who are actually committing violent crimes, and
certainly if you compare it to what happened to the
BLM riots when far more people died. Remember the only
person who died on January sixth was Ashley Babbitt, who
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was I think unjustly shot and killed, unarmed and not
being a threat. So there was someone else was part
of this, the seditious conspiracy, one of the other defendants.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's tough to keep them all straight. We're going to
reach out to Julie Kelly to make sure that she
because she's following this, like Clay said, more closer than
anybody and has been a real just trying to get
you know, justice. Justice doesn't mean that all these individuals
are innocent, but far from it. But ten years in
federal prison, twenty years in federal prison, is that just
at a time when people who are murdering others are
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getting far less time in prison. But let's go to Rhodes,
who's this Oathkeeper's leader dressed in combat style gear. Converged.
This is from the Washington Post, So this is the
most negative depiction of this yulell find just to be clear,
but converged from the Capitol after staging an arsenal of
weapons at nearby hotels, ready to take up arms at
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Rhad's direction. According to prosecutors, Rhodes did not Yeah, he
did not enter the building, but was in contact with
ground team leader Megs, an auto dealer manager, just before
Megs led a line of members in military style tactle
gear up the Capitol steps, where they helped a crowd
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force entry. Rose Defense said he and co defendants came
to Washington as bodyguards for Republican VIPs, including Roger Stone.
The oath Keeper said some of some brought firearms only
to help as peacekeepers in case Trump met their demand
to invoke the Civil War Insurrection Act and mobilize a
private militia to stop Biden from becoming president. Okay, so
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he wasn't there, and he didn't hurt anybody personally. He
wasn't even president at the president at the Capitol. A
lot of stuff about you know, insurrection and a lot
of bad stuff in the text messages, eighteen years in
federal prison. Look, this is all about charging Trump. They wanted.
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They have system.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You have to look at what their roadmap is, and
they have meticulously constructed a seditious conspiracy. All of these
charges are being put in place so they can charge
Donald Trump. I would be buck stunned beyond belief at
this point if there are not federal charges coming against Trump. Now,
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I still put a tiny little percentage chance out there.
I don't know that he has the testicular fortitude or
mint competency to pull it off. A Jedi mind trick.
Brilliant move would actually be for Joe Biden to pardon
Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
While he's runn against him. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yes, because then I think a lot of independence, because
it's an alpha move by Biden.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Because you say, I.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Beat him once in twenty twenty, I don't need the
Department of Justice to put him behind bars. I'm gonna
beat his ass again in twenty twenty four. That's the
alpha move.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
He's not gonna do it though, there's no way that's
what because he'll upset that, he'll upset his lunatic Democrat base.
By the way, Julie's confirmed for one thirty. So look,
we're handling breaking news that it comes in. There have
been like eight hundred or something more than that now
January sixth. I want to say numbers, but it's been
hundreds and hundred of people prosecuted on jan six This is, uh,
the biggest sentence that we have seen. Stuart Rhodes is
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the individual here. We're talking about eighteen years in federal prison.
And I understand there's no there's no parole. He's served
in eighteen years, folks, that's how this goes. Federal system
doesn't have parole. So he's he's going to spend almost
two decades in prison. And you ask yourself, okay, so
he's going to spend two decades in prison because of
some reckless talk about overthrowing the government or how you
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know that. I don't know. I have to look into
all the text messages. Didn't hurt anybody, didn't actually actively
try to hurt anybody physically I'm talking about yeah, and
wasn't even at the capitol.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I'll give you a prominent case. It's going to get
a lot of attention soon Henry Bruggs is a wide receiver,
was driving drunk in Las Vegas killed a woman driving
at one hundred and thirty miles an hour. I believe
with a blood alcohol level half or sorry, twice as
much as what the legal limit is. Buck, he's going
to get less time in prison than this January sixth
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defendant just did. And I mean that's just using one. Now,
obviously one is in the state of Nevada. But we're
talking about violent, you know, drunk driving that killed a
person where there's no defense against his behavior at all
while driving over one hundred miles an hour. And I'll
also point out and I Julie will hammer this home
at the bottom of the hour because she has been
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covering all these cases. So well, it's not just that
they're throwing the book at the January sixth defendants, Buck,
they are barely prosecuting anybody for violent crime in Washington,
DC otherwise. So you've got a situation where the district
attorneys in DC are basically taking felony charges down to
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misdemeanors and choosing not to prosecute, and then throwing the
book and getting maximum punishments here.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So I'm gonna use my little CIA coup overthrow tiny
tinpot dictatorship. Brain here for a second. If the Oathkeeper's guy,
if they had this stash of weapons, that why did
none of them bring weapons? Yeah, if their intent was
to use weapons to overthrow the government, why is it
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that they brought placards? You know, like what you bring
to a protest, and you know, yeah, some of like
the tactical gear that they brought, but it's stuff to
deal with gas masks. I've been to Antifa protests. I've
covered them before. I've never say the term journalists, but
I've covered them for media purposes. Right, I've been there
and seen they have little plastic shields and they have
gas masks, and don't thinks they are I don't overthrow
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the government, even though they say they want to all
the time. They're anarchists. They talk about how they want
to overthrow the existing order, but no one, Well, we're
not allowed to take them seriously, even though they're a
violent extremist group. But that's the question for me, and
I want to pose this to Julie. If these individuals
were part of a conspiracy to stockpile weapons, why did
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none of them actually at all at all bring weapons
to the capital, right yeah. I also what is that?
And how do you And then you ask a questions,
how do you overthrow the federal government with no weapons?
That that, to me is the big point here.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
If this were an actual coup, would you choose grandmas
and grandpa's with selfie sticks to be your soldiers? I mean,
the argument that this was in any way an attempt
to overthrow the United States government is so laughably absurd
on its face. And this is why Buck, I think,
to a large degree, including that they had a lot
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of informants in that crowd encouraging people to go into
the Capitol, because that's one reason I think they don't
want all the footage to come out. But it's also
why we're only seeing a scentilla. I mean Tucker, the
video that Tucker showed of the so called QAnon shaman
who everybody was trying to say, oh my goodness, this
guy is a huge threat to the American Republic, and
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then you watch him and the police are just kind
of walking around with him. That footage would have never
come out if not for Tucker's show. And so how
many of these other hours of footage that we have
are indicative of what the vast majority of people who
entered on January sixth did, which is they walked around,
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they took photos inside, engaged in almost no violent behavior
as a collective group. And now we've got the full
might of the United States government treating them as if
they are the greatest threats to American democracy that have
ever existed.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
You know, the whole purpose.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
The thing that is so staggeringly difficult, I think for
a lot of people to even comprehend is the degree
of lying that's going on here. When you're talking about
threats to democracy, and you are the Department of Justice
that's raiding the home of a former president, and you
are trying to put a former president in prison who
is a leading political opposition candidate of the party in power.
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This is third world Banana Republic level idiocy, and frankly,
wat scarier than anything that happened on January sixth.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
The judge here in d c. Meta said about this
defendant who's now going away for eighteen years, you, sir,
present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country,
to the republic, and to the very fabric of our democracy.
I have a feeling that judge is a lib who
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is hostile to anybody who is even vaguely or tangentially
associated with being on the right. Again, the point here
is not to say that people who who broke who
destroyed property at the Capitol, or who were violent with
police officers shouldn't shouldn't be punished. The point is, disparate
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treatment in the law for political reasons is a bedrock,
a foundation of tyranny. And we're sitting here on the
one hand, you know, we're talking about we got but Biden,
who's you know. Celo was commemorating the three year anniversary
of George Floyd. I'm sitting here saying, I remember when
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maniacs destroyed my neighborhood, all Biden voters. I remember when
maniacs were mobbing outside the White House and tried to
burn down a historic church. I remember when Biden voters
tried to burn down a federal courthouse. I remember when
they were attempting to blind the federal officers sent there
to Portland by DHS with lasers to blind somebody. Yeah,
if someone told me I'm trying to blind you, and
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I had a side arm, I would use it. Okay,
blinding somebody is extreme aming. You should be able to
use lethal force to defend yourself against that. How many
of them got twenty years in prison? None?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
No BLM protester, and there were far more of them
doing far more violence have faced any level of prosecution
remotely similar to Jan six.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
You know, you sit here, you wonder how much time
did the lunatics who fire bombed the police car in
New York City get. They didn't get twenty years Biden voters.
How much time did the people who you go down
the list. You see, the country was convulsed. The twenty
twenty election was held under the threat of mob violence
by lunatic Biden voters pretending that you know, BLM is
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what they're really They just wanted to burn everything down
and they got away with it. And so I understand
there's a lot of frustration from people out there who
sit there and say, okay, So you know, there was
a protest about Biden about the twenty twenty election. Some
people got out of hand. You know, ninety five percent
of the people gathering in DC didn't do anything. It
was a mostly peaceful protest, remember that. But some of
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them got out of hand some of them. Yeah, they
should face consequences for attacking cops and whatever, But how
do we deal with that? How do we process that?
When Biden voters in mobs, and of course they were
allowed to even during COVID because it was so important,
can attack police with impunity, they would just show up.
They would show up and do everything that you saw
people doing on January sixth to police. I have seen
(28:49):
at different left wing Democrat Biden voting mobs in the past,
everything throwing. I've seen them throw rocks at cops. I've
seen them throw bottles of urine. I've seen them punch cops.
Any of them get twenty years or eighteen years in
federal prison, I don't think so. Look, we'll talk to
Julie about this in a few minutes. But a country
(29:11):
where you can't trust the justice system is not a
country where you're going to think there is a justice
system for very long. All Right, I gotta take a moment,
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She's got a book January sixth, how Democrats use the
Capital protest to launch a war on terror against the
political right. Julie, Thank you for coming back and talking
to us all about this. We told everybody at the
top of this hour about the breaking news that Roads,
(31:00):
one of the defendants from January sixth, and an Oathkeeper,
got eighteen years in federal prison, the biggest sentence anyone's gotten.
What do we need to know about this case and
what message do you think it's sending.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Thanks for having me on. So this is Stuart Rhodes,
who was the founder and leader of the Oathkeepers. He
and several other members of the group were charged with
seditious conspiracy. This is a crime tanamount to treason. It's
a Civil War era statute. Almost everyone in the United
(31:33):
States who's ever been convicted of seditious conspiracy are foreign
terrorists with ties to El Keaeda and the Taliban. But nonetheless,
this DOJ has brought that charge against numerous Oathkeepers and
Proud Boys. Today is the first sentencing that came down
in the conviction seditious conspiracy conviction. He was found guilty
(31:55):
by a jury in November. Judge Ah Maida, one of
the worst partisans on the DC District Court, allowed the
government consented to the government's request to add a terrorism
enhancement to Stuart Roads's sentence. The government DOJ Matthew Graves,
DCS attorney wanted Roads in prison for twenty five years.
(32:18):
Not only did Mata allow the terrorism enhancement, sentenced him
to eighteen years in prison, the longest prison sentence for
any January sixth defendant. And also, I believe the first
time an American has been convicted and sentenced for seditious conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
What did he do? Julie, Like, what did he really
actually do? Do you know what I mean? I mean,
we've told us the charges, but you know, what are
the transgressions that we should be aware of?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
So basically in Stuart Rhodes is a kooky guy, right,
and he sort of initiate and organized members of Oathkeepers
across the country to go to Washington, d C. But
most of the evidence, just like in the Proud Boys
trial which we've talked about, is nothing more than messages
and videos, texts and encrypted chats, travel plans to get
(33:10):
to Washington d C. Stuart Rhodes didn't even go inside
the building, and the people, the oathkeepers who did go
in the building went in peacefully. There were police standing
right there. There's actual video of oathkeepers inside trying to
help police calm down the situation. This includes Capitol Police
officer Harry Dunn, who gave a victim impact statement yesterday,
(33:33):
balled his eyes out, this big, huge Capitol Police officer
and so but Stuart Roads. None of them did anything violent.
There was no way they could overthrow the government or
wage war against the United States without any weapons. In fact,
they stayed at hotels in Virginia when they drove to Washington,
legally bringing some firearms. They left them in the hotel
(33:57):
in Virginia so they didn't violate Washington DC. See strict
handgun lots. I mean, these are the same people who
are trying to overthrow the government. But unfortunately the definition
and the jury instructions for finding guilt in seditious conspiracy
is so low that these juries are coming back in
record time, within a day or two with guilty verdicts
(34:19):
on this and then the government DOJ Attorney General Merrick
Garland and DCUs Attorney Matthew Graves absolutely throwing the book
at these guys like they are murderers.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Julie, this is important, and thank you for all the
work you've done on this, and thank you for coming
on as frequently as you have to share the latest
on the jan six, the individuals, and basically I think
it's fair to call them political prisoners at this point,
many of them.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
A couple of things.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Can you contextualize for everybody out there, how the throwing
the book at the JAN six defendants compares with the
leniency that we're seeing in virtually every other criminal enterprise
involved in Washington, DC. And the second part of that,
this is so key. I think you have been on
(35:11):
with us for I think years now saying charges are
coming against Trump one hundred percent you said last summer
one hundred I think you now elevated it to like
one hundred and ten percent. How does this all fit
in in your mind as part of the puzzle pieces
that are being constructed to bring those charges against Trump.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
So absolute one hundred and twenty percent that Trump is
going to be indicted. What is dangerous for the seditious
conspiracy convictions and now sentences related to domestic terror enhancements
is both of these groups have been tied to Donald Trump.
The Proud Boys convictions that came down last month were
(35:53):
specially dangerous because the government DOJ made Donald Trump a
key figure in that trial. Well, we talked about during
closing arguments the assistant US attorney the first clip that
they played for the jury was the clip of Trump
in the twenty twenty debate where he said, proud Boys
stand back and stand by. The oathkeepers are also tried
(36:15):
tied to Donald Trump because some of them went there
to provide security for Trump associates, including Roger Stone. So
Trump's name came up dozens of times in this one
hundred and eighty three crazy sentencing memorandum with the government
wanted these nine convicted oathkeepers the prison sentences. So this
(36:36):
will give even more ammo to Special Counsel Jack Smith,
Mrrick Garland's hand pick prosecutor special prosecutor to seek a
grand jury indictment against Donald Trump. First seditious conspiracy as well.
This is problematic not just because of the potential sentence,
but because there now is case law and precedent to
(36:58):
deny release that means deny bond for someone who is
being charged with seditious conspiracies. So this really escalates not
just the legal threat jeffery, which has always been there
for Trump, but the seriousness of the charge and the
consequences of seditious conspiracy indictment.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And as part of this, by the way, just in
terms of if you're someone out there and you are
trying to argue, oh, well, they're just prosecuting everybody in
DC to the fullest extent of the law. Actually, they're
letting actual violent criminals off. In fact, the data reflects
that in DC they're tending to lower felonies to misdemeanors. Right,
(37:40):
So the district attorneys and the people who are prosecuting
in Washington, DC are uniquely throwing the book at these
political prisoners and letting actual violent criminals run amuck. Right,
based on what you see when you look at the.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Data, that's absolutely right. And the data is that Matthew
Gray's the DCUs attorney appointed by Joe Biden. He's unique
in terms of he handles both local and federal crimes
committed in Washington, d C. He has a sixty seven
percent declination rate that means declining to bring charges against
people that police have arrested, and they bring these cases
(38:18):
to Matthew Graves's office and he declines to prosecute sixty
seven percent of the alleged criminals in Washington, d C. Meanwhile,
he is one hundred percent prosecution rate. Doesn't matter if
it's someone who accused of parading in the capital, low
level misdemeanor or a ridiculous, seditious conspiracy indictment that he
(38:40):
brought as soon as he took over that office. So
that's why Washington, d C. As it descends into violent
chaos every single weekend. But don't worry, Stuart Rhodes, you
know this kind of crazy, kooky guy who leads the Oathkeepers.
Former law enforcement and veterans are most of that group.
He will be safely behind bars for eighteen years while
(39:03):
other criminals run free in the nation's capital.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Julie, one more for you, and we're speaking to Julie Kelly.
We recommend her book to all of you who are listening.
January sixth, how Democrats use the capital protest to launch
a war on terror against the political right. Last one
for you, Julie, what is the top count going to be?
In your mind? You said Trump is absolutely going to
be federally indicted. Just to add some specificity here, do
(39:28):
you think they're going to go with a seditious conspiracy
charge against President Trump?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I think since we're talking percentages we like here, and
I know you guys are sports guys. I think it
went from about fifty percent before to eighty percent after
the Proud Boy's convictions, and today this sentence saying, I
would say it's probably ninety percent chance that Jack Smith
Special Council Jacksmith will seek seditious conspiracy indictment against Donald
(39:55):
Trump in addition to numerous other accounts such as obstruction.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
What do you think the time is, Julie, in which
this would likely occur?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
So, I know we've talked about this before, including last year,
but then there were some wrinkles the August rate of
mar Lago than the pursuit of the classified documents investigation.
So I'm thinking there could be the classified documents indictment
could come as soon as June, and the January sixth
indictments could be July August. I can't see them going
(40:26):
much longer than the fall because it looks like both
investigations are wrapping up. When the January sixth investigation the
bringing Michael Pence, Vice President Mike Pence before the grand jury,
it's hard to see how much more they can get
out of that. So I think that they're working on
both of those and we're going to see back to
back in multi count indictments against Donald Trump from Jacksmith.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'm sorry, jul I know I said last one, but
now I'm just so, I'm just I think it's so important,
so curious I have to ask your opinion on this
one because you saw all the federal indictment coming a
long time ago. A DC jury, I don't have to
ask you one hundred percent. In my mind, DC jury
would convict Donald Trump of anything that Jack Smith refers
to doj for an actual charge. So then wouldn't that
mean that they actually want to lock Donald Trump up?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And Julie, doesn't that also mean that the question we
talked to DeSantis about, and I saw you responding to
it on Twitter. Shouldn't every Republican candidate in your mind
be pledging that they will pardon Donald Trump if they
become president, because otherwise they're going to try to put
him in prison.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Absolutely, I mean, pardon Donald Trump and of course all
the Jan sixers even and make sure the sentences for
even the most violent offenders are commensurate with the sentences
brought by this DCUs Attorney's office in other cases assaulting
police officers. They routinely drop cases against people in DC
(41:53):
who arrested for assaulting.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Police Officer's absolutely right, That's what I keep saying. I mean, Julian,
We're not We're not trying to excuse any illegal behavior.
We just want fair treatment that isn't infused with nothing
but political malice, and that is what we have seen.
But thanks to your coverage, at least the American people
know about what's going on. We'll continue to talk about it.
Julie Kelly, thank you again for being with us. We
appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Guys, thanks for covering my work.
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Speaker 2 (43:41):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, we
played for all of you the Trump reaction, most recently
to the DeSantis announcement and the way that Trump is
attacking DeSantis. I wanted to play a couple of cuts
for those of you who were not with us at
the start of the show. Ron DeSantis joined the program
(44:02):
to discuss everything about his announcement, and first of all,
I think the number one reason why DeSantis is running
is he thinks he'll beat Biden. Here is that answer
from DeSantis about why he would beat Biden and he
doesn't believe Trump would listen.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm gonna hit you with the question.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
That everybody listening to us wants to know the answer to.
You say you can beat Joe Biden, you think Donald
Trump cannot.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Why are you the right choice? Why is Trump the
wrong choice?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Well, we know the country's going in the wrong direction.
We see it with our own eyes, and we can
feel it in our bones, and so we need to
offer an alternative path to a stronger America. And I
think what we've done in Florida is face bigger test
than any governor has ever had to face, particularly with COVID,
and we were able to win all of those battles.
(44:57):
We took a state that had been a fifty to
fifty state and turned it into a sixty forty state
with my reelection. And that's not just winning Republicans, that's
winning independent voters by eighteen percent, it's winning sixty percent
of Hispanic voters, winning women voters by eight percent. I
never contorted myself to try to fit the political wins.
(45:18):
I was a bold leader. It was bold colors, not
tail pastels. But I was able to do that in
a way that really developed the groundswell of support. I
think the vast majority of the country wants a different
direction than what they're getting with Joe Biden, and I
think that if I'm the candidate, we will win, and
I think we will win convincingly. In my promise to
(45:40):
the voters participating in this primary, if you nominate me,
then January twentieth, twenty twenty five, my left hand will
beyond the Bible. My right hand will be up in
the air on the west side of the Capitol, and
I'll take the oath as President number forty seven. And
then we'll get to work and we will do in
the US all the good things that we did in
the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Buck, do you buy it?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I think this is a question that a lot of
our listeners are having right now, your debates, in your family,
your debates, and your friend circles. I believe that DeSantis
would beat Biden if he were the nominee, and I
believe it primarily based on Biden's eighty two I think
Biden's single greatest vulnerability is his age. I think if
(46:24):
you put a forty four year old on the debate
stage with Joe Biden, presuming he's even willing to debate,
if you have Casey DeSantis and three young kids against
Joe Biden, who's eighty two years old, I think that
is a cosmetic not a direct a policy perspective. That
is a cosmetic thing that resonates very much. So I
(46:45):
think DeSantis would be more likely to beat Biden just
based on age. Do you think that DeSantis is more
likely to beat Biden than Trump is That is a
question that I think a lot of people are debating.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
So you have to break it down into the difful
different almost verticals you could call them in media, right,
the different buckets of voters. And I think that when
you do that, because right now, yeah, the country is
we're a close to fifty to fifty country. I mean,
we saw that in the last election. We saw that election.
Before you start to go back in time, you have
(47:19):
to look pretty hard for a definitive electoral defeat. I
mean you have to go back really to the Obama
era beating McCain and then beating Romney. And when I
say definitive, obviously Trump won and it was phenomenal in
twenty sixteen, but it didn't win by a huge amount
of votes in the states that he won. He got
(47:40):
just the votes he needed in just the places he
needed to win, which was fabulous. Right, that's fantastic. How
do you do that again? This time? You look at
who's up for grabs? Where has the Republican Party in
swing states been weak in twenty twenty two and twenty
twenty We all know what the states are. We'll just
keep talking about them. Because they're gonna be on our right.
It's going to be Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin. Maybe
(48:05):
Virginia is going to be in the mix this time around. Arizona, Arizona, Hampshire.
You like, even Arizona. Arizona's a red state. Yep. Why
didn't we win in Arizona? Everybody? Okay, yeah, they they
the machines broke down on Kerry Lake. There are other
Republicans who won in that state though. Now I'm not
saying it's not unfair that the machines, the voting machines,
broke down on Carry. But I'm just saying it is
possible for Republicans to win on Arizona. We should win
(48:26):
this clearly. College educated white voters, working class white voters,
Hispanic voters in those key states, Soccer moms. Those are
basically suburban moms, right, Those are the places where you
can pick it up. Working class white voters, college educated
white voters, and moms who live in suburban areas of
(48:47):
those key states. How does the Santus do with those demographics? Well,
and I said Hispanic voters, I think too. Hispanic's picking up. Look,
ronson is one Miami date, Yeah, Miami Dade County, which
Miami City is, you know, seventy three percent Latino. So
I think that he has a lot of strength in
those areas and that that goes very well for him.
(49:08):
The question that I need someone to answer for me
is what is the way for Trump to win back
in the general those voters where there has been there
There have been clear indicators of softness or even rejection
of support for Trump back candidates and Trump himself in
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty. But this is open
(49:29):
by This is ongoing question. I'm not pretending to have
the answers on this, but I think those are some
of the questions that MAGA and the folks who are
all in on Trump right now are going to be
answering for primary voters going forward. I think that's essential.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
My number one question, my number one question for Trump
would be, you say the election was stolen in twenty twenty,
why would they not steal the election again in twenty
twenty four? This is to me, the self defeating nature
of trump underlying argument, And anybody out there who voted
for Trump, and I did obviously in twenty twenty if
(50:05):
you believe that the election was stolen. If you take
Trump at his word, what has changed that will keep
the election from being stolen in twenty twenty four. I've
not heard anybody make a strong argument about what need
what has changed?
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (50:21):
If you think the Democrats were willing to cheat in
twenty twenty such that they kept Trump from being president,
why would they not cheat again in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
That's the self defeating to me.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Aspect of focusing on twenty twenty, DeSantis won Florida by
nineteen points. That's not close, right. I want a landslide
election because I do think if this thing comes down
to a few thousand ballots. Yeah, I'm really nervous about
what's going to happen. I'm nervous about suddenly there's going
to be a fire alarm that goes off in Atlanta
(50:56):
and suddenly something gets flooded. Right, I've heard this from
a lot of Remember I'm I'm a two time Trump
voter and eight oh sorry four year when he was president,
staunch Trump supporter. What I've heard from a lot of
two time Trump voters, though, is we all have to
understand that they cheated.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Isn't an excuse, meaning we have to understand Democrats are
going to fight super dirty yep, and we need somebody
who will see the dirty fighting before the votes are
all counted, catch the dirty fighting of the you know,
the dirty politics as it's happening, and end up at
the White House as the guy. So that's the mission.
(51:41):
Another four years of well, you know, are we going
to go through another four years of well we actually won? Yeah? No,
I can't live through it.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
And that's why my clarion, call, my guiding light, is
the nominee has to beat Joe Biden. So what I
would encourage And everybody's gonna come to different the conclusions. Right,
We'll take calls, but some people are gonna say, Vivia
Gramasamy's my guy.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
I mean, that's fine, fine, of course, that's what a
primary is. For the nicky Hanley fans out there, don't
be scared. You can call in. There's a few of
you have called in. Don't think that we're going to
you know, we open form whoever you. We want you
to be able to make the case for whoever your
person is in this primary. To all of your fellow
Conservatives and Republicans all across the country right now. Wade
(52:26):
in Allentown, you're a Trump guy. You're in Pennsylvania, which
is the most important state probably of all of them.
If you could waive a magic wand and guarantee the
Republicans are gonna win. But remember they just put a
basically dead man and John fetterman into the Senate. Wade,
how would you break this down?
Speaker 5 (52:46):
I would answer the question you've been answering asking the
past few seconds. I called because of what somebody said earlier,
but the way you framed the question. Now, I voted
for Trump twice and I'm going to vote for him
a third time. And that is that he should stop
talking about twenty twenty. I understand that. But what he
what he needs to do is stand up. And I
wish Rondasansers would do. I never met Rond Deasanteles. I
(53:08):
don't know him. I may be a wonderful guy, but
Ron DeSantis never walked on North Korea and faced down
the people. Ron Desantius never faced down Chi and did that.
Ron DeSantis never should up and said your European countries,
if you don't do this, you're not getting our money.
Trump did every single thing that we asked him to
do because they work for us, we don't work for them.
(53:30):
We voted for Trump to do something, and he did it.
He walked out on stage and hugged the fly. He
walked out on stage and nominated three people to the
Supreme Court in defensive life. We appreciate everything he did,
and I wanted to continue to do it.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Now, wait, can I ask you a question? Wait, I
have a question for you. First of all, as were
to say, you know, appreciate you calling in. Do you
think it's fair to point out what you're saying? All
makes sense to me. What you're saying is what I
think I should be hearing from the Trump campaign. But
when he's when he's when he's talking, why go after
the Florida situation?
Speaker 5 (54:02):
Like why pretend no I'm saying I'm saying if if
Aron said, you have to analyze why a person wants
to be president, what they think they're going to do.
And Donald Trump already had seventy years old, had all
the money he needed, had airplanes, he had stuff. He
could have just sat back and said, I want to
show you kids the seven Wonders of the world. But
he decided to fight for his country. Now after doing
(54:22):
all this, going to all he's going to he's willing
to do it all again. I wish somebody like Ron
Desantius would stand up and say Donald Trump is right,
they stole that election. We don't know how, we can't
prove what.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Okay, But so Wayne, my I agree with you with
a lot of what you're saying. My question is, if
you believe twenty twenty was stolen, and Trump does, and
that's a big part of his argument for twenty twenty four,
why would they not steal twenty twenty four?
Speaker 5 (54:50):
Oh I don't thought he will.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
I'm okay. So that's that's my question. Wayne.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
If Trump lost in twenty twenty and you believe that
the election was stolen, which is you're right, I it
was rigged, right, I've said that for a long time,
why would they not rig it again in twenty twenty four?
What has changed? That's why this is an ultimately self
defeating argument to me, because if Trump said they cheated,
(55:15):
I actually won in twenty twenty, Well if they cheat
again and he loses in twenty twenty four, we spend
eight years saying the same thing, Oh they cheated, But
guess what Joe Biden, who can barely raise his right
hand and repeat after the Chief Justice or whoever's going
to be swearing him in, is going to be standing
there in twenty twenty five getting four more years.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, look, we appreciate you calling in, Wade, thank you
for giving us a Pennsylvania perspective. We'll get some more
calls here to close us out because I know people
are very very passionate about it, and we should be.
I mean, let's remember we should be. This is about
the future of the country. This matters. You know, inflation
and prices continue to be a huge problem, and there's
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us this Thursday edition. Right off
the top. He announced officially for president yesterday. He is
with us now, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Governor.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I know you're in a whirlwind right now.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We appreciate you coming on with us live right off
the top of the show here, and I'm going to
hit you with the question that everybody listening to us
wants to know the answer to. You say you can
beat Joe Biden, you think Donald Trump cannot. Why are
you the right choice? Why is Trump the wrong choice?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, we know the country's going in the wrong direction.
We see it with our own eyes and we can
feel it in our bones, and so we need to
offer an alternative path to a stronger America. And I
think what we've done in Florida is face bigger test
than any governor has ever had to face, particularly with COVID,
and we were a to win all of those battles.
(01:02):
We took a state that had been a fifty to
fifty state and turned it into a sixty forty state
with my reelection. And that's not just winning Republicans, that's
winning independent voters by eighteen percent, it's winning sixty percent
of Hispanic voters, winning women voters by eight percent. I
never contorted myself to try to fit the political wins.
(01:22):
I was a bold leader. It was bold colors, not
pale pastels. But I was able to do that in
a way that really developed the groundswell of support. I
think the vast majority of the country wants a different
direction than what they're getting with Joe Biden, and I
think that if I'm the candidate, we will win, and
I think we will win convincingly. In my promise to
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the voters participating in this primary, if you nominate me,
then January twentieth, twenty twenty five, my left hand will
beyond the Bible, my right hand will be up in
the air on the west side of the Capitol, and
I'll take the oath as President number forty seven. And
then we'll get to work and we will do in
the US all the good things that we did in
the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Governor de Santis, it's buck appreciate you being here with
us and congrats on the announcement and getting into the
mix here. It's going to be an interesting primary. We
all expect that. I was wondering what your message is
to a lot of the folks out there who want
to hear about an economic vision about how things can
get better for them. We know the Biden economy stinks,
(02:28):
everyone's clear on that. We know inflation has been at
forty year highs. What are the things that you would
do that would, specifically as president, help the working men
and women, many of whom feel forgotten by the Biden administration?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Absolutely Well. First, I could point out nobody has done
better on the economy than we have in Florida since
COVID started. My whole administration has been strong. But if
you look at a lot of the problems we see
with our overall national economy, they're rooted in March of
twenty twenty with FALCI, the lockdowns, the FED printing all
the money. We've bucked all of that, and we kept
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people free, open schools. We have the great pats and
regulatory climate, and we've had people coming to invest in
Florida in record numbers. People are doing very well here.
Our unemployment rate is two point six percent. Blue California
and New York are like four to four point one percent,
So that's a significant difference, and we've outperformed the country.
So that's a great track record to run on. What
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you do as president is one, you deal with inflation
by doing really three main things. One, stop spending so
much money. A president needs to wield the veto pen
against the spendthrift Congress. We have not had a president
willing to do that in a long time. I will
do it because that's part of the reason inflation is
where it is. Two, reverse Biden's energy policies. Embrace domestic
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energy production. That will help lower inflation because energy costs
are an important part of that. It's also good for
our national security and it's good for jobs. And then three,
you know, the Federal Reserve is a big part of
this problem because they printed such an ungodly amount of money.
Their role should be to maintain a stable dollar. They
should not be economic central planners, and you need to
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have somebody in the Federal Reserve that is going to
respect that limited role. We also have to look at
the left's agenda. What they're doing is they're making it
impossible for middle class people to maintain that standard of
living because the energy costs will go up. They have
all these other mandates on things like automobiles, for example.
(04:34):
I don't think that we should be forcing people in
the electric cars. If you want to do that, that's fine.
Why would we want to rely on China for more
key materials and a key part of our economy. It
makes no sense from a national security perspective. We'll also
look at ways to lighten the tax burden. We've done
that in Florida. We just signed tax relief no taxes
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on any baby items, so we want to help families,
so that's all tax free. Now we have a toll
relief program where we're reducing tolls by fifty percent. So
finding ways that the people that are working hard get
reliefed because I think what Biden and the Democrats have
done is you're almost better off not doing it the
right way. The people that just show up for work
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every day, work hard, they don't ask for anything special,
they end up having the more difficult time making ends meet. Meanwhile,
if you do the wrong things, or if you're just
politically connected to the agenda, then you end up better off.
And that's not what the American dream is all about.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
We're talking to Florida Governor Ron des Atsis. He announced
yesterday he is joining us live here to start off
the program. I'm sure you agree. You have a law background.
You've obviously been very aggressive legally in what you can
and cannot do as a governor of Florida Department of Justice.
The FBI has gone after the January sixth defendants with
(05:55):
reckless I would say abandoned. A big part of being
president is hardened powers.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Do you think the.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
January sixth defendants deserve to have their cases examined by
a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged
with federal offenses and you are the president of the
United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself
based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The DOJ and FBI have been weaponized. We see that.
We see it in a variety of contexts. Some of
what you mentioned. Some of it as the FBI going
after parents, going to school board meetings. Some of it's
how they treat a pro life demonstrator, how they don't
go after people that are attacking pro lifers, And so
what I'm going to do is I'm going to do
on day one. I will have folks that will get
(06:43):
together and look at all these cases who people are
victims of weaponization or political targeting, and we will be
aggressive at issuing pardon. Now, some of these cases, some
people may have a technical violation of the law, but
if there are three other people who did the same
thing but just in a context like BLM and they
don't get prosecuted at all, that is uneven application of justice.
(07:09):
And so we're going to find ways where that did
not happen, and then we will use the pardon power.
And I will do that at the front end. You know,
a lot of people wait until the end of the
administration to issue pardons. We're going to find examples where
government's been weaponized against disfavored groups, and we will apply
relief as appropriate. But it will be done on a
(07:30):
case by case basis, because I think you've got to
make sure that because there's a whole bunch of cases
that don't necessarily get headlines. But if people are being
treated just because they don't get on a TV or something,
they're being treated disfavorably, they need to have a fair
hearing as well.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And that could be from a grandma who got arrested
and prosecuted too much, all the way up to potentially
Trump himself. Is that fair to say when you analyze
what the charges might have been brought on a federal level.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I would say any example of this favored treatment based
on politics or weaponization would would be included in that review,
no matter how small or how big.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Governor One more for you, so I know you've got
a very busy day ahead of you. And actually wait,
Clay has one more, two at the very end, so
we got two more for you. But what we promise
will be quick. The border, huge problem at the borders.
We all know six million illegals, give or take, have
come into the country. You just signed something in Florida
that implements e Verify, which is actually dealing with the
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illegal population in Florida in a way that Republicans have
said they've wanted to for a long time. What does
a federal policy look like under De Santis administration to
deal with both the border and illegal immigrants who are
already here.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So national emergency declared on day one, all resources mobilized,
including the military, at the southern border. Construction of the
border wall starts, and we will keep going until we
finish that. We will stop entertaining asylum claim for people
that come illegally across the border. These are mostly economic
migrants and that's not the way you do asylum, and
(09:07):
so we'll make that very clear. And then we're going
to hold the drug cartels accountable for what they're doing
and trafficking people into our country and trafficking in a
huge amounts of narcotics that's killing tens of thousands of Americans.
Now overall, I would do everify nationwide. That you have
to do that through Congress. That's very difficult to do.
(09:27):
It was hard to do in Florida because you have
the left that opposes it because they want illegal immigration.
But then you also have big business and corporations who
also want illegal immigration because they want the cheap labor.
So that was a very difficult nut for us to
crack in Florida. We finally got it done, and I
think it's going to make a big, big difference, and
(09:48):
so we would definitely look at doing those things. But
this issue has persisted throughout my entire adult lifetime, and
we've had Republicans talking about it for decades. This is
the time to finally put the issue to bed, and
I will do it on day one, and I'll use
all the lovers at my disposal to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Combo question for you here. Your wife, Casey's fantastic. She's
already gotten attacked by Politico. They called her basically Lady Macbeth.
I'm wondering what you think about your family already in
the line of fire. Second part of this this is
a little bit different question. But you now are running
for president of the United States. I think your first
(10:30):
love was baseball. If you could have had a pro
baseball career, would you have ever gotten in politics? Would
you be running for governor, congressman, and now president at all?
If you had been a little bit better baseball player.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
No. I mean, if I had had a spot in
the major leagues in my early twenties, I would have
taken that about anything else that anyone could have offered me,
and I would have played as long as I could have.
I mean, that's just when you're in the sports, just
what you do. So I absolutely would have done that.
I wouldn't have thought twice about it, and would have
loved to have that privilege, and you know, it's tough
(11:07):
because that's ninety nine point ninety nine percentile that you
got to get into to get to that level. Look,
in terms of the family, my wife and I know
how this game works. We were not surprised by it. Obviously,
the media will get anonymous sources and people that already
don't like us, who don't even really know us, and
they'll try to create narratives. And the good news is
is most people realize for what that is. They don't
(11:29):
accept the narratives, and they realize and understand, Gee, this
casey Dissanna. She must be really good. Otherwise the media
wouldn't be going after And the fact is she's been
an incredible first lady for Florida. She's made a huge
difference across multiple issues. She's obviously a wonderful mother and wife,
and she's a heck of an advocate to have out
there on the campaign trail. These guys in the corporate press,
(11:53):
they know that and that's why they're doing it. They're
not to attacking anybody else's spouse. It's just her, So
we understand that just with the territory. But like when
they attack me, we both view it as a sin
of strength. Ever since I won reelection, like I've been
the number one target of attacks. She's getting attacked because
people know that we're forced to be reckoned with. We
(12:15):
are a threat to the lefts hold on power in
this country, and that's why we're always targeted for negative coverage.
But you know what, you know they are right that
we represent a threat to leftism in this country because
we beat leftism in Florida in ways nobody would have
thought possible just five years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Governor Ron de Santas of Florida, he is running, Folks, Governor,
it is going to be a heck of a primary.
Appreciate you making time for us, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Thanks so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
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Speaker 1 (14:06):
Learn and Last Weekdays with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody,
thanks for being here with us. And as we started
off the show, you know because Governoran DeSantis joined us,
we'll play some of that audio. For you in the
third hour perhaps and go back over a little bit
(14:27):
of where the political landscape stands right now. But the
primary is now. It feels fully underway with the two heavyweights,
at least by the polls, not a wait joke. By
the polls, Governoran DeSantis and Donald Trump, President Trump are
in the mix now. It is official. Also, we had
(14:49):
breaking news that just hit in the last few moments,
just hitting the news wires, so you might be hearing
it here for the first time. The the oath Keeper's individual,
I believe the Oathkeepers. He's a founder or a leader
of the oath Keepers that was prosecuted for his role
in January sixth on seditious conspiracy charges. Just got eighteen
(15:16):
years in federal prison. Eighteen years, and you would you'd
have to wonder what exactly did he do? Who goes
away for eighteen years? These days, well, I can tell
you who doesn't go away at all, it seems Hunter Biden.
Because we also have more and more information, I think
we're gonna speak to Congress and Jim Jordan later on
(15:39):
this week about this. The whistleblower from within the IRS
coming forward. You got whistleblower from the IRS, the FBI,
other places coming forward on a whole range of issues.
They realize the damage that the deep state is doing.
But specifically Clay the Irs whistleblower is saying there are
irregularities when it came to the Hunt her Biden funding, right,
(16:03):
the Hunter Biden getting all this money. Bribes, It's called bribes.
We can use the word, I think from around the world,
not paying taxes on it. That's usually pretty straightforward stuff.
What are your thoughts as we see so the oath
keepers got I mean, did he I don't think he was.
He one of the ones who was he even there?
(16:24):
I'm checking this up right now, But you tell me
what your first reaction is.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, I mean, this goes to what we talked about
with Ron DeSantis in the first hour, and what Trump
has discussed as well, and what I'm going to pat
ourselves on the back a little bit. Julie Kelly has
been covering this better than anybody, and I don't know
that there's any media outlet that has had Julie on
more than we have to tell this story. And you
(16:48):
know I went out and gave thousands of dollars of
my own personal money for these January sixth defendants to
be able to have better legal representation. Does this political persecution?
There is there's no way on earth that the average
January sixth defendant, who is many of them being being
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sentenced more severely for what they did associated with January
sixth than people who are actually committing violent crimes, and
certainly if you compare it to what happened to the
BLM riots when far more people died. Remember the only
person who died on January sixth was Ashley Babbitt, who
(17:32):
was I think unjustly shot and killed, unarmed and not
being a threat. So there was someone else was part
of this, the seditious conspiracy, one of the other defendants.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's tough to keep them all straight. We're going to
reach out to Julie Kelly to make sure that she
because she's following this, like Clay said, more closer than
anybody and has been a real just trying to get
you know, justice. Justice doesn't mean that all these individuals
are innocent, but far from it. But ten years in
federal prison, twenty years in federal prison, is that just
at a time when people who are murdering others are
(18:04):
getting far less time in prison. But let's go to Rhodes,
who's this Oathkeeper's leader dressed in combat style gear. Converged.
This is from the Washington Post, So this is the
most negative depiction of this yulell find just to be clear,
but converged from the Capitol after staging an arsenal of
weapons at nearby hotels, ready to take up arms at
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Rhad's direction. According to prosecutors, Rhodes did not Yeah, he
did not enter the building, but was in contact with
ground team leader Megs, an auto dealer manager, just before
Megs led a line of members in military style tactle
gear up the Capitol steps, where they helped a crowd
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force entry. Rose Defense said he and co defendants came
to Washington as bodyguards for Republican VIPs, including Roger Stone.
The oath Keeper said some of some brought firearms only
to help as peacekeepers in case Trump met their demand
to invoke the Civil War Insurrection Act and mobilize a
private militia to stop Biden from becoming president. Okay, so
(19:07):
he wasn't there, and he didn't hurt anybody personally. He
wasn't even president at the president at the Capitol. A
lot of stuff about you know, insurrection and a lot
of bad stuff in the text messages, eighteen years in
federal prison. Look, this is all about charging Trump. They wanted.
(19:28):
They have system.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You have to look at what their roadmap is, and
they have meticulously constructed a seditious conspiracy. All of these
charges are being put in place so they can charge
Donald Trump. I would be buck stunned beyond belief at
this point if there are not federal charges coming against Trump. Now,
(19:52):
I still put a tiny little percentage chance out there.
I don't know that he has the testicular fortitude or
mint competency to pull it off. A Jedi mind trick.
Brilliant move would actually be for Joe Biden to pardon
Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
While he's runn against him. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yes, because then I think a lot of independence, because
it's an alpha move by Biden.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Because you say, I.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Beat him once in twenty twenty, I don't need the
Department of Justice to put him behind bars. I'm gonna
beat his ass again in twenty twenty four. That's the
alpha move.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
He's not gonna do it though, there's no way that's
what because he'll upset that, he'll upset his lunatic Democrat base.
By the way, Julie's confirmed for one thirty. So look,
we're handling breaking news that it comes in. There have
been like eight hundred or something more than that now
January sixth. I want to say numbers, but it's been
hundreds and hundred of people prosecuted on jan six This is, uh,
the biggest sentence that we have seen. Stuart Rhodes is
(20:50):
the individual here. We're talking about eighteen years in federal prison.
And I understand there's no there's no parole. He's served
in eighteen years, folks, that's how this goes. Federal system
doesn't have parole. So he's he's going to spend almost
two decades in prison. And you ask yourself, okay, so
he's going to spend two decades in prison because of
some reckless talk about overthrowing the government or how you
(21:16):
know that. I don't know. I have to look into
all the text messages. Didn't hurt anybody, didn't actually actively
try to hurt anybody physically I'm talking about yeah, and
wasn't even at the capitol.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I'll give you a prominent case. It's going to get
a lot of attention soon Henry Bruggs is a wide receiver,
was driving drunk in Las Vegas killed a woman driving
at one hundred and thirty miles an hour. I believe
with a blood alcohol level half or sorry, twice as
much as what the legal limit is. Buck, he's going
to get less time in prison than this January sixth
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defendant just did. And I mean that's just using one. Now,
obviously one is in the state of Nevada. But we're
talking about violent, you know, drunk driving that killed a
person where there's no defense against his behavior at all
while driving over one hundred miles an hour. And I'll
also point out and I Julie will hammer this home
at the bottom of the hour because she has been
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covering all these cases. So well, it's not just that
they're throwing the book at the January sixth defendants, Buck,
they are barely prosecuting anybody for violent crime in Washington,
DC otherwise. So you've got a situation where the district
attorneys in DC are basically taking felony charges down to
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misdemeanors and choosing not to prosecute, and then throwing the
book and getting maximum punishments here.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So I'm gonna use my little CIA coup overthrow tiny
tinpot dictatorship. Brain here for a second. If the Oathkeeper's guy,
if they had this stash of weapons, that why did
none of them bring weapons? Yeah, if their intent was
to use weapons to overthrow the government, why is it
(22:58):
that they brought placards? You know, like what you bring
to a protest, and you know, yeah, some of like
the tactical gear that they brought, but it's stuff to
deal with gas masks. I've been to Antifa protests. I've
covered them before. I've never say the term journalists, but
I've covered them for media purposes. Right, I've been there
and seen they have little plastic shields and they have
gas masks, and don't thinks they are I don't overthrow
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the government, even though they say they want to all
the time. They're anarchists. They talk about how they want
to overthrow the existing order, but no one, Well, we're
not allowed to take them seriously, even though they're a
violent extremist group. But that's the question for me, and
I want to pose this to Julie. If these individuals
were part of a conspiracy to stockpile weapons, why did
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none of them actually at all at all bring weapons
to the capital, right yeah. I also what is that?
And how do you And then you ask a questions,
how do you overthrow the federal government with no weapons?
That that, to me is the big point here.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
If this were an actual coup, would you choose grandmas
and grandpa's with selfie sticks to be your soldiers? I mean,
the argument that this was in any way an attempt
to overthrow the United States government is so laughably absurd
on its face. And this is why Buck, I think,
to a large degree, including that they had a lot
(24:19):
of informants in that crowd encouraging people to go into
the Capitol, because that's one reason I think they don't
want all the footage to come out. But it's also
why we're only seeing a scentilla. I mean Tucker, the
video that Tucker showed of the so called QAnon shaman
who everybody was trying to say, oh my goodness, this
guy is a huge threat to the American Republic, and
(24:45):
then you watch him and the police are just kind
of walking around with him. That footage would have never
come out if not for Tucker's show. And so how
many of these other hours of footage that we have
are indicative of what the vast majority of people who
entered on January sixth did, which is they walked around,
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they took photos inside, engaged in almost no violent behavior
as a collective group. And now we've got the full
might of the United States government treating them as if
they are the greatest threats to American democracy that have
ever existed.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
You know, the whole purpose.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
The thing that is so staggeringly difficult, I think for
a lot of people to even comprehend is the degree
of lying that's going on here. When you're talking about
threats to democracy, and you are the Department of Justice
that's raiding the home of a former president, and you
are trying to put a former president in prison who
is a leading political opposition candidate of the party in power.
(25:47):
This is third world Banana Republic level idiocy, and frankly,
wat scarier than anything that happened on January sixth.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
The judge here in d c. Meta said about this
defendant who's now going away for eighteen years, you, sir,
present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country,
to the republic, and to the very fabric of our democracy.
I have a feeling that judge is a lib who
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is hostile to anybody who is even vaguely or tangentially
associated with being on the right. Again, the point here
is not to say that people who who broke who
destroyed property at the Capitol, or who were violent with
police officers shouldn't shouldn't be punished. The point is, disparate
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treatment in the law for political reasons is a bedrock,
a foundation of tyranny. And we're sitting here on the
one hand, you know, we're talking about we got but Biden,
who's you know. Celo was commemorating the three year anniversary
of George Floyd. I'm sitting here saying, I remember when
(26:58):
maniacs destroyed my neighborhood, all Biden voters. I remember when
maniacs were mobbing outside the White House and tried to
burn down a historic church. I remember when Biden voters
tried to burn down a federal courthouse. I remember when
they were attempting to blind the federal officers sent there
to Portland by DHS with lasers to blind somebody. Yeah,
if someone told me I'm trying to blind you, and
(27:18):
I had a side arm, I would use it. Okay,
blinding somebody is extreme aming. You should be able to
use lethal force to defend yourself against that. How many
of them got twenty years in prison? None?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
No BLM protester, and there were far more of them
doing far more violence have faced any level of prosecution
remotely similar to Jan six.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
You know, you sit here, you wonder how much time
did the lunatics who fire bombed the police car in
New York City get. They didn't get twenty years Biden voters.
How much time did the people who you go down
the list. You see, the country was convulsed. The twenty
twenty election was held under the threat of mob violence
by lunatic Biden voters pretending that you know, BLM is
(28:02):
what they're really They just wanted to burn everything down
and they got away with it. And so I understand
there's a lot of frustration from people out there who
sit there and say, okay, So you know, there was
a protest about Biden about the twenty twenty election. Some
people got out of hand. You know, ninety five percent
of the people gathering in DC didn't do anything. It
was a mostly peaceful protest, remember that. But some of
(28:25):
them got out of hand some of them. Yeah, they
should face consequences for attacking cops and whatever, But how
do we deal with that? How do we process that?
When Biden voters in mobs, and of course they were
allowed to even during COVID because it was so important,
can attack police with impunity, they would just show up.
They would show up and do everything that you saw
people doing on January sixth to police. I have seen
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at different left wing Democrat Biden voting mobs in the past,
everything throwing. I've seen them throw rocks at cops. I've
seen them throw bottles of urine. I've seen them punch cops.
Any of them get twenty years or eighteen years in
federal prison, I don't think so. Look, we'll talk to
Julie about this in a few minutes. But a country
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where you can't trust the justice system is not a
country where you're going to think there is a justice
system for very long. All Right, I gotta take a moment,
take it breather. We commented on this yesterday. Warrant's repeating,
we are now officially in primary season. We're talking about
it all day to day too. Six individuals have declared
themselves as candidates for the office of President. This isn't
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She's got a book January sixth, how Democrats use the
Capital protest to launch a war on terror against the
political right. Julie, Thank you for coming back and talking
to us all about this. We told everybody at the
top of this hour about the breaking news that Roads,
(31:00):
one of the defendants from January sixth, and an Oathkeeper,
got eighteen years in federal prison, the biggest sentence anyone's gotten.
What do we need to know about this case and
what message do you think it's sending.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Thanks for having me on. So this is Stuart Rhodes,
who was the founder and leader of the Oathkeepers. He
and several other members of the group were charged with
seditious conspiracy. This is a crime tanamount to treason. It's
a Civil War era statute. Almost everyone in the United
(31:33):
States who's ever been convicted of seditious conspiracy are foreign
terrorists with ties to El Keaeda and the Taliban. But nonetheless,
this DOJ has brought that charge against numerous Oathkeepers and
Proud Boys. Today is the first sentencing that came down
in the conviction seditious conspiracy conviction. He was found guilty
(31:55):
by a jury in November. Judge Ah Maida, one of
the worst partisans on the DC District Court, allowed the
government consented to the government's request to add a terrorism
enhancement to Stuart Roads's sentence. The government DOJ Matthew Graves,
DCS attorney wanted Roads in prison for twenty five years.
(32:18):
Not only did Mata allow the terrorism enhancement, sentenced him
to eighteen years in prison, the longest prison sentence for
any January sixth defendant. And also, I believe the first
time an American has been convicted and sentenced for seditious conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
What did he do? Julie, Like, what did he really
actually do? Do you know what I mean? I mean,
we've told us the charges, but you know, what are
the transgressions that we should be aware of?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
So basically in Stuart Rhodes is a kooky guy, right,
and he sort of initiate and organized members of Oathkeepers
across the country to go to Washington, d C. But
most of the evidence, just like in the Proud Boys
trial which we've talked about, is nothing more than messages
and videos, texts and encrypted chats, travel plans to get
(33:10):
to Washington d C. Stuart Rhodes didn't even go inside
the building, and the people, the oathkeepers who did go
in the building went in peacefully. There were police standing
right there. There's actual video of oathkeepers inside trying to
help police calm down the situation. This includes Capitol Police
officer Harry Dunn, who gave a victim impact statement yesterday,
(33:33):
balled his eyes out, this big, huge Capitol Police officer
and so but Stuart Roads. None of them did anything violent.
There was no way they could overthrow the government or
wage war against the United States without any weapons. In fact,
they stayed at hotels in Virginia when they drove to Washington,
legally bringing some firearms. They left them in the hotel
(33:57):
in Virginia so they didn't violate Washington DC. See strict
handgun lots. I mean, these are the same people who
are trying to overthrow the government. But unfortunately the definition
and the jury instructions for finding guilt in seditious conspiracy
is so low that these juries are coming back in
record time, within a day or two with guilty verdicts
(34:19):
on this and then the government DOJ Attorney General Merrick
Garland and DCUs Attorney Matthew Graves absolutely throwing the book
at these guys like they are murderers.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Julie, this is important, and thank you for all the
work you've done on this, and thank you for coming
on as frequently as you have to share the latest
on the jan six, the individuals, and basically I think
it's fair to call them political prisoners at this point,
many of them.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
A couple of things.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Can you contextualize for everybody out there, how the throwing
the book at the JAN six defendants compares with the
leniency that we're seeing in virtually every other criminal enterprise
involved in Washington, DC. And the second part of that,
this is so key. I think you have been on
(35:11):
with us for I think years now saying charges are
coming against Trump one hundred percent you said last summer
one hundred I think you now elevated it to like
one hundred and ten percent. How does this all fit
in in your mind as part of the puzzle pieces
that are being constructed to bring those charges against Trump.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
So absolute one hundred and twenty percent that Trump is
going to be indicted. What is dangerous for the seditious
conspiracy convictions and now sentences related to domestic terror enhancements
is both of these groups have been tied to Donald Trump.
The Proud Boys convictions that came down last month were
(35:53):
specially dangerous because the government DOJ made Donald Trump a
key figure in that trial. Well, we talked about during
closing arguments the assistant US attorney the first clip that
they played for the jury was the clip of Trump
in the twenty twenty debate where he said, proud Boys
stand back and stand by. The oathkeepers are also tried
(36:15):
tied to Donald Trump because some of them went there
to provide security for Trump associates, including Roger Stone. So
Trump's name came up dozens of times in this one
hundred and eighty three crazy sentencing memorandum with the government
wanted these nine convicted oathkeepers the prison sentences. So this
(36:36):
will give even more ammo to Special Counsel Jack Smith,
Mrrick Garland's hand pick prosecutor special prosecutor to seek a
grand jury indictment against Donald Trump. First seditious conspiracy as well.
This is problematic not just because of the potential sentence,
but because there now is case law and precedent to
(36:58):
deny release that means deny bond for someone who is
being charged with seditious conspiracies. So this really escalates not
just the legal threat jeffery, which has always been there
for Trump, but the seriousness of the charge and the
consequences of seditious conspiracy indictment.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And as part of this, by the way, just in
terms of if you're someone out there and you are
trying to argue, oh, well, they're just prosecuting everybody in
DC to the fullest extent of the law. Actually, they're
letting actual violent criminals off. In fact, the data reflects
that in DC they're tending to lower felonies to misdemeanors. Right,
(37:40):
So the district attorneys and the people who are prosecuting
in Washington, DC are uniquely throwing the book at these
political prisoners and letting actual violent criminals run amuck. Right,
based on what you see when you look at the.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Data, that's absolutely right. And the data is that Matthew
Gray's the DCUs attorney appointed by Joe Biden. He's unique
in terms of he handles both local and federal crimes
committed in Washington, d C. He has a sixty seven
percent declination rate that means declining to bring charges against
people that police have arrested, and they bring these cases
(38:18):
to Matthew Graves's office and he declines to prosecute sixty
seven percent of the alleged criminals in Washington, d C. Meanwhile,
he is one hundred percent prosecution rate. Doesn't matter if
it's someone who accused of parading in the capital, low
level misdemeanor or a ridiculous, seditious conspiracy indictment that he
(38:40):
brought as soon as he took over that office. So
that's why Washington, d C. As it descends into violent
chaos every single weekend. But don't worry, Stuart Rhodes, you
know this kind of crazy, kooky guy who leads the Oathkeepers.
Former law enforcement and veterans are most of that group.
He will be safely behind bars for eighteen years while
(39:03):
other criminals run free in the nation's capital.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Julie, one more for you, and we're speaking to Julie Kelly.
We recommend her book to all of you who are listening.
January sixth, how Democrats use the capital protest to launch
a war on terror against the political right. Last one
for you, Julie, what is the top count going to be?
In your mind? You said Trump is absolutely going to
be federally indicted. Just to add some specificity here, do
(39:28):
you think they're going to go with a seditious conspiracy
charge against President Trump?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I think since we're talking percentages we like here, and
I know you guys are sports guys. I think it
went from about fifty percent before to eighty percent after
the Proud Boy's convictions, and today this sentence saying, I
would say it's probably ninety percent chance that Jack Smith
Special Council Jacksmith will seek seditious conspiracy indictment against Donald
(39:55):
Trump in addition to numerous other accounts such as obstruction.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
What do you think the time is, Julie, in which
this would likely occur?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
So, I know we've talked about this before, including last year,
but then there were some wrinkles the August rate of
mar Lago than the pursuit of the classified documents investigation.
So I'm thinking there could be the classified documents indictment
could come as soon as June, and the January sixth
indictments could be July August. I can't see them going
(40:26):
much longer than the fall because it looks like both
investigations are wrapping up. When the January sixth investigation the
bringing Michael Pence, Vice President Mike Pence before the grand jury,
it's hard to see how much more they can get
out of that. So I think that they're working on
both of those and we're going to see back to
back in multi count indictments against Donald Trump from Jacksmith.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'm sorry, jul I know I said last one, but
now I'm just so, I'm just I think it's so important,
so curious I have to ask your opinion on this
one because you saw all the federal indictment coming a
long time ago. A DC jury, I don't have to
ask you one hundred percent. In my mind, DC jury
would convict Donald Trump of anything that Jack Smith refers
to doj for an actual charge. So then wouldn't that
mean that they actually want to lock Donald Trump up?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And Julie, doesn't that also mean that the question we
talked to DeSantis about, and I saw you responding to
it on Twitter. Shouldn't every Republican candidate in your mind
be pledging that they will pardon Donald Trump if they
become president, because otherwise they're going to try to put
him in prison.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Absolutely, I mean, pardon Donald Trump and of course all
the Jan sixers even and make sure the sentences for
even the most violent offenders are commensurate with the sentences
brought by this DCUs Attorney's office in other cases assaulting
police officers. They routinely drop cases against people in DC
(41:53):
who arrested for assaulting.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Police Officer's absolutely right, That's what I keep saying. I mean, Julian,
We're not We're not trying to excuse any illegal behavior.
We just want fair treatment that isn't infused with nothing
but political malice, and that is what we have seen.
But thanks to your coverage, at least the American people
know about what's going on. We'll continue to talk about it.
Julie Kelly, thank you again for being with us. We
appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Guys, thanks for covering my work.
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Speaker 2 (43:41):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, we
played for all of you the Trump reaction, most recently
to the DeSantis announcement and the way that Trump is
attacking DeSantis. I wanted to play a couple of cuts
for those of you who were not with us at
the start of the show. Ron DeSantis joined the program
(44:02):
to discuss everything about his announcement, and first of all,
I think the number one reason why DeSantis is running
is he thinks he'll beat Biden. Here is that answer
from DeSantis about why he would beat Biden and he
doesn't believe Trump would listen.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm gonna hit you with the question.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
That everybody listening to us wants to know the answer to.
You say you can beat Joe Biden, you think Donald
Trump cannot.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Why are you the right choice? Why is Trump the
wrong choice?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Well, we know the country's going in the wrong direction.
We see it with our own eyes, and we can
feel it in our bones, and so we need to
offer an alternative path to a stronger America. And I
think what we've done in Florida is face bigger test
than any governor has ever had to face, particularly with COVID,
and we were able to win all of those battles.
(44:57):
We took a state that had been a fifty to
fifty state and turned it into a sixty forty state
with my reelection. And that's not just winning Republicans, that's
winning independent voters by eighteen percent, it's winning sixty percent
of Hispanic voters, winning women voters by eight percent. I
never contorted myself to try to fit the political wins.
(45:18):
I was a bold leader. It was bold colors, not
tail pastels. But I was able to do that in
a way that really developed the groundswell of support. I
think the vast majority of the country wants a different
direction than what they're getting with Joe Biden, and I
think that if I'm the candidate, we will win, and
I think we will win convincingly. In my promise to
(45:40):
the voters participating in this primary, if you nominate me,
then January twentieth, twenty twenty five, my left hand will
beyond the Bible. My right hand will be up in
the air on the west side of the Capitol, and
I'll take the oath as President number forty seven. And
then we'll get to work and we will do in
the US all the good things that we did in
the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Buck, do you buy it?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I think this is a question that a lot of
our listeners are having right now, your debates, in your family,
your debates, and your friend circles. I believe that DeSantis
would beat Biden if he were the nominee, and I
believe it primarily based on Biden's eighty two I think
Biden's single greatest vulnerability is his age. I think if
(46:24):
you put a forty four year old on the debate
stage with Joe Biden, presuming he's even willing to debate,
if you have Casey DeSantis and three young kids against
Joe Biden, who's eighty two years old, I think that
is a cosmetic not a direct a policy perspective. That
is a cosmetic thing that resonates very much. So I
(46:45):
think DeSantis would be more likely to beat Biden just
based on age. Do you think that DeSantis is more
likely to beat Biden than Trump is That is a
question that I think a lot of people are debating.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
So you have to break it down into the difful
different almost verticals you could call them in media, right,
the different buckets of voters. And I think that when
you do that, because right now, yeah, the country is
we're a close to fifty to fifty country. I mean,
we saw that in the last election. We saw that election.
Before you start to go back in time, you have
(47:19):
to look pretty hard for a definitive electoral defeat. I
mean you have to go back really to the Obama
era beating McCain and then beating Romney. And when I
say definitive, obviously Trump won and it was phenomenal in
twenty sixteen, but it didn't win by a huge amount
of votes in the states that he won. He got
(47:40):
just the votes he needed in just the places he
needed to win, which was fabulous. Right, that's fantastic. How
do you do that again? This time? You look at
who's up for grabs? Where has the Republican Party in
swing states been weak in twenty twenty two and twenty
twenty We all know what the states are. We'll just
keep talking about them. Because they're gonna be on our right.
It's going to be Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin. Maybe
(48:05):
Virginia is going to be in the mix this time around. Arizona, Arizona, Hampshire.
You like, even Arizona. Arizona's a red state. Yep. Why
didn't we win in Arizona? Everybody? Okay, yeah, they they
the machines broke down on Kerry Lake. There are other
Republicans who won in that state though. Now I'm not
saying it's not unfair that the machines, the voting machines,
broke down on Carry. But I'm just saying it is
possible for Republicans to win on Arizona. We should win
(48:26):
this clearly. College educated white voters, working class white voters,
Hispanic voters in those key states, Soccer moms. Those are
basically suburban moms, right, Those are the places where you
can pick it up. Working class white voters, college educated
white voters, and moms who live in suburban areas of
(48:47):
those key states. How does the Santus do with those demographics? Well,
and I said Hispanic voters, I think too. Hispanic's picking up. Look,
ronson is one Miami date, Yeah, Miami Dade County, which
Miami City is, you know, seventy three percent Latino. So
I think that he has a lot of strength in
those areas and that that goes very well for him.
(49:08):
The question that I need someone to answer for me
is what is the way for Trump to win back
in the general those voters where there has been there
There have been clear indicators of softness or even rejection
of support for Trump back candidates and Trump himself in
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty. But this is open
(49:29):
by This is ongoing question. I'm not pretending to have
the answers on this, but I think those are some
of the questions that MAGA and the folks who are
all in on Trump right now are going to be
answering for primary voters going forward. I think that's essential.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
My number one question, my number one question for Trump
would be, you say the election was stolen in twenty twenty,
why would they not steal the election again in twenty
twenty four? This is to me, the self defeating nature
of trump underlying argument, And anybody out there who voted
for Trump, and I did obviously in twenty twenty if
(50:05):
you believe that the election was stolen. If you take
Trump at his word, what has changed that will keep
the election from being stolen in twenty twenty four. I've
not heard anybody make a strong argument about what need
what has changed?
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (50:21):
If you think the Democrats were willing to cheat in
twenty twenty such that they kept Trump from being president,
why would they not cheat again in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
That's the self defeating to me.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Aspect of focusing on twenty twenty, DeSantis won Florida by
nineteen points. That's not close, right. I want a landslide
election because I do think if this thing comes down
to a few thousand ballots. Yeah, I'm really nervous about
what's going to happen. I'm nervous about suddenly there's going
to be a fire alarm that goes off in Atlanta
(50:56):
and suddenly something gets flooded. Right, I've heard this from
a lot of Remember I'm I'm a two time Trump
voter and eight oh sorry four year when he was president,
staunch Trump supporter. What I've heard from a lot of
two time Trump voters, though, is we all have to
understand that they cheated.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Isn't an excuse, meaning we have to understand Democrats are
going to fight super dirty yep, and we need somebody
who will see the dirty fighting before the votes are
all counted, catch the dirty fighting of the you know,
the dirty politics as it's happening, and end up at
the White House as the guy. So that's the mission.
(51:41):
Another four years of well, you know, are we going
to go through another four years of well we actually won? Yeah? No,
I can't live through it.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
And that's why my clarion, call, my guiding light, is
the nominee has to beat Joe Biden. So what I
would encourage And everybody's gonna come to different the conclusions. Right,
We'll take calls, but some people are gonna say, Vivia
Gramasamy's my guy.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
I mean, that's fine, fine, of course, that's what a
primary is. For the nicky Hanley fans out there, don't
be scared. You can call in. There's a few of
you have called in. Don't think that we're going to
you know, we open form whoever you. We want you
to be able to make the case for whoever your
person is in this primary. To all of your fellow
Conservatives and Republicans all across the country right now. Wade
(52:26):
in Allentown, you're a Trump guy. You're in Pennsylvania, which
is the most important state probably of all of them.
If you could waive a magic wand and guarantee the
Republicans are gonna win. But remember they just put a
basically dead man and John fetterman into the Senate. Wade,
how would you break this down?
Speaker 5 (52:46):
I would answer the question you've been answering asking the
past few seconds. I called because of what somebody said earlier,
but the way you framed the question. Now, I voted
for Trump twice and I'm going to vote for him
a third time. And that is that he should stop
talking about twenty twenty. I understand that. But what he
what he needs to do is stand up. And I
wish Rondasansers would do. I never met Rond Deasanteles. I
(53:08):
don't know him. I may be a wonderful guy, but
Ron DeSantis never walked on North Korea and faced down
the people. Ron Desantius never faced down Chi and did that.
Ron DeSantis never should up and said your European countries,
if you don't do this, you're not getting our money.
Trump did every single thing that we asked him to
do because they work for us, we don't work for them.
(53:30):
We voted for Trump to do something, and he did it.
He walked out on stage and hugged the fly. He
walked out on stage and nominated three people to the
Supreme Court in defensive life. We appreciate everything he did,
and I wanted to continue to do it.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Now, wait, can I ask you a question? Wait, I
have a question for you. First of all, as were
to say, you know, appreciate you calling in. Do you
think it's fair to point out what you're saying? All
makes sense to me. What you're saying is what I
think I should be hearing from the Trump campaign. But
when he's when he's when he's talking, why go after
the Florida situation?
Speaker 5 (54:02):
Like why pretend no I'm saying I'm saying if if
Aron said, you have to analyze why a person wants
to be president, what they think they're going to do.
And Donald Trump already had seventy years old, had all
the money he needed, had airplanes, he had stuff. He
could have just sat back and said, I want to
show you kids the seven Wonders of the world. But
he decided to fight for his country. Now after doing
(54:22):
all this, going to all he's going to he's willing
to do it all again. I wish somebody like Ron
Desantius would stand up and say Donald Trump is right,
they stole that election. We don't know how, we can't
prove what.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Okay, But so Wayne, my I agree with you with
a lot of what you're saying. My question is, if
you believe twenty twenty was stolen, and Trump does, and
that's a big part of his argument for twenty twenty four,
why would they not steal twenty twenty four?
Speaker 5 (54:50):
Oh I don't thought he will.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
I'm okay. So that's that's my question. Wayne.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
If Trump lost in twenty twenty and you believe that
the election was stolen, which is you're right, I it
was rigged, right, I've said that for a long time,
why would they not rig it again in twenty twenty four?
What has changed? That's why this is an ultimately self
defeating argument to me, because if Trump said they cheated,
(55:15):
I actually won in twenty twenty, Well if they cheat
again and he loses in twenty twenty four, we spend
eight years saying the same thing, Oh they cheated, But
guess what Joe Biden, who can barely raise his right
hand and repeat after the Chief Justice or whoever's going
to be swearing him in, is going to be standing
there in twenty twenty five getting four more years.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, look, we appreciate you calling in, Wade, thank you
for giving us a Pennsylvania perspective. We'll get some more
calls here to close us out because I know people
are very very passionate about it, and we should be.
I mean, let's remember we should be. This is about
the future of the country. This matters. You know, inflation
and prices continue to be a huge problem, and there's
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