June 6, 2023 • 52 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome on and everybody. Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. I'm coming to
you from Saint Louis, which is quite a lovely place.
Going to be seeing a lot of you who are
in the area tonight, and we have much to discuss
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as we break into the news cycle today. Let me
just give you a little bit of a a little
bit of a menu. We're doing news a la carte here,
many things to discuss. We have Elon Musk going to
host presidential candidate our FK Junior on Twitter. So the
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RFK Junior phenomenon is not just disappearing. Quite the opposite.
It feels like it's getting more momentum. Clay and I
talked to you a bit about that yesterday. We'll get
into more of it. Gavin Newsom has a threatened possible
kidnapping charges against Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, because
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of migrants who have been flown to Sacramento, California. Again,
Democrats continue to show everybody that migrants are such a
blessing wherever they end up, that anyone who puts migrants
in Democrat cities should be called out, shouted down, and
maybe even prosecuted, which as we all know, is completely nuts.
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And then we also have Eric Adams saying that he
wants migrants to be housed in New York City in
private homes or in private places. And meanwhile, Clay, I
know there's the live golf phenomenon that you are going
to tell everybody about. I saw the headlines on this
(01:50):
and it was one of those It's Clay territory. So
Clay is going to make sense if live golf is
do you want to just give us We'll talk with
this in the second hour, But what's the twenty or
thirty second Pracie. I want to bring us back to
New York City and the migrants in California and Newsom
and DeSantis in a second. But live golf in the PGA,
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what do we need to know? In brief? It's a
monster story.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I would bet that a huge percentage of our audience
either plays or watches golf. One year ago, the Saudis
backed a chief rival to the PGA, and now they
are merging and buck. What you need to know from
a big picture perspective, and we'll talk about this in
the next hour. Is everybody who's woke argued, how in
(02:34):
the world could you ever partner with the Saudis. You
can't do this, you can't leave and go to this
rival league. And then the PGA tour itself is now
partnering with the Saudis. Trump is involved. There's all these
different kind of sexy, fascinating components. We'll talk about it
in the next hour. But that news came down just
(02:55):
in the last couple of hours. Probably some people listening
to us right now like what they're merging that happened.
We'll talk about it in the next hour.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And you know, there's something else, Clay, before I even
get us deeper into, I think we all see, and
it's in the future. It's down the line, and it
really we'll see how much it plays into this election cycle,
because I still don't believe, although I will say the
emails flying in fast and furious from our listeners who
are just they just refuse to believe Joe Biden's going
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to be the nominee. It's really interesting. I don't know
if this is more a function of the strength of
that belief or a broader a more broadly held position.
But the audience, there are a lot of people listening
who you know, it's they just they don't buy it.
They don't buy that Joe Biden's going to be the
nominee and we're still looking to see how that could change.
(03:46):
I'm putting my money. I got to come up with
some kind of a bet for audience members here. I'm
putting my money on It's still Joe. It's still Joe.
But we'll get into it. We'll get into more of
that in just a moment here. I think it's interesting
that Gavin newsom Ron DeSantis feud. This is even this
is a state issue obviously, even if it's not a
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presidential election issue. But we'll talk about it. But it
kind of just to first, because you poured this out
to me. I know that there's some part of us
that always has to say, yeah, we all know the
media superbias, right, Clay, Yeah, this was interesting. This is
from Tom Elliott's Twitter page. It's a montage and it
just shows you the difference between Joe Biden wiping out
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on stage and then flailing to get up and President
Trump walking slowly, carefully. Play clip one. I don't blame
him for tripping it. It was a sandbag, so what
so what? He could have been Bernie, and we love Bernie.
Does anything about this warrant the questions that, of course
we're seeing predictably in some quarters about his fitness for office,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I guess there was like a sand bay and Twitter
and the writer going crazy. It's currently dominating Fox News primetime.
It's the most important thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
President Trump was very self conscious about that incident, and
he was quite concerned about falling.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
He literally tiptoed down around at I believe this was
West Point More Startling.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
This week, Bruce Springsteen took a fall on stage and
he was on his back for quite a bit longer
than the president today. Is robust, is robust mentally, is
robust physically. And what happened with today could have happened
to anyone. Can we just say, Clay without even trying
to specify it, without even separating we all know when
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they're talking about Biden versus when they're talking about Trump, this.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Is impossible for them to justify because they tried every time.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
When Trump picked up.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
A glass and his hand was shaking, as you heard
on that clip when Trump slowly walked down in dress shoes,
mind you, a sloping wet ramp at West Point. And
by the way, the general beside him was also walking
gingerly down a wet ramp in dress shoes. Anybody who
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has ever walked anywhere Buck, in dress shoes on a
wet ramp, it's easy to bust your ass.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Biden almost fell at the G seven.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
He regularly falls going up the stairs and down the
stairs on Air Force one, and this was a big fall. Okay,
Plus it all adds up because remember the data reflects
now that two thirds of Americans do not believe that
Biden has the mental or physical wherewithal to be president.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Of the United States.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
When you combine that with the fall, it is a
monster story. And if we were ever going to talk
about the twenty fifth Amendment being invoked, and I don't
like the idea of doing it period because it effectively
wipes out actual presidential elections, but this would be the
time to be having those discussions.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
When you add up, remember Biden tried to talk to
a dead congresswoman. Remember when he called out for Jackie
wears Jackie, She's dead. Unfortunately, Joe Biden, she's been dead
for some time. He can't read off the teleprompter. You're
one hundred percent right, Buck when you talk about they
put those big aviator glasses on him to try to
hide his booking so befuddled. It's a calculated move. I
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think the mask was a calculated move because it helped
to defray from how old and decrepit and frankly dementia
lateen he is. But they lie, they lie to you,
and they just don't apply the same consistent standards, and
I think it's important to call it out.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I want to call out woop Be Goldberg on the
Biden fall issue. But before I do, can I say
something because I caught this when I was doing my
read in for the show this morning. Clay, you know,
Senator Scott did a phenomenal job yesterday on the View.
We played that big SoundBite where he just he just
goes into really the heart of the false narrative that
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the Democrats rely on for political power of the country
is still so racist and we haven't made tremendous progress,
and race relations are going in the wrong direction. All
this stuff. He totally shut that down. I think Joy
Bayhar wasn't. There wasn't Joy Bahar the one who said
this was this was a decision that I didn't pick
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up on initially. Joy Behar was the one who said
that Senator Scott does not know what it is to
be a black man in America. And when they had
Sonny Austin conduct the interview with Senator Scott, so, you know,
because initially I thought, well the view, they're actually brave
enough that well, not brave enough to have the host
on who said the thing that got all the attention.
(08:37):
I don't know why they used to come on Buck
or do you think it was coincidental, Maybe she was
on vacation and they had him on, because it seems
like a big story that she would call him out,
he would call her out for wearing blackface on our show,
and then she's not there for the interview. I think
the producers, I think the execs made a decision that
she would not be there, but they would have the
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other their hosts have him on so they can seem
like they were willing to deal with what had been
said on their show. Right. I mean, it's like if
we're sitting here, Clay, and you know, we we call
somebody out big time. Let's let's say, let's say you
you call out some sportsball guy who's making too much
money and is actually he's a bum, he's not worth
(09:20):
the big contract, and then they have me sit there
because you're out that day to interview him like that.
You know that doesn't count, right, It's like you got
to have the person who says the thing. So I
just I noticed that when I was looking at the
clips this morn, I said, hold on a second, there
wasn't that the person who said the thing that got
so much attention with Senator Scott was not there?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So I just noteworthy. They can tell us whatever they
want about why why joy Behar wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
By the way, I'm not gonna be here Wednesday, Thursday
or Friday. We don't have anybody scheduled that I'm trying
to avoid.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Right, let's go ahead and may let's go ahead and
follow that up because if for some reason the people
are like, oh, it's awfully convenient Clay's not here, I'm
gonna be a BlackBerry farms up in East Tennessee with
my wife and two other couples on a little getaway
for a couple of days. But I think you're right.
I don't think I think either.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Joy Behar refused to go on because she felt like
the show was being disloyal, which to me is a
really interesting story. Or producer said, hey, this is a
bad look for you because you dressed up in blackface
and told the black guy what he could believe. Maybe
it's a good Monday for you to take off. I
would like to know what the behind the scenes negotiation
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and discussion here was. Now, maybe she's out the whole
week and this is her vacation. But even then, if
I were Joey Bahar, I'd be like, this is gonna
make me look bad.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I'd want to be here. He was in the Hampton.
She couldn't make it in on this Monday.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
We check the staff check. I don't know how you
what time the views on. I think they're on around
the same time as us. Will somebody check and see
if the dumbest woman on television is back in her
seat today or if she remains out, because it would
be very interesting if she just skipped Monday show with
Tim Scott. She's there, you know there are there today?
They said, buck, oh spicy.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Oh oh, come on I think this is getting pretty
obvious everybody. If it wasn't obvious, she's not there, thank you. Yeah, well,
this is that they tried just to do a little switch.
They tried to a little switch here. Oh yeah, we'll
have him on. We won't have Joy behar there so
he can say, excuse me, older white liberal lady, why
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do I meaning Tim Scott not know what it is
to be a black man in America today? Like, please
explain further. They knew, they knew they had to have
a response from him, But I mean, am I team
tell me if I'm wrong. I don't believe she definitely
wasn't in the sound bite yesterday.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I don't think she was.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
She's not there, and now she's back today. So they
set her out for one day when Tim Scott happens
to be on the show. So either refuse to come on,
buck or they told her, hey, we think it's best
for you not to come on, because he could retort
at some point, hey, pipe down over their black face.
Let me tell you what actual black people think. I mean,
which would have been Can you imagine if that clip
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as viral as the one he had went, it would
have been even funnier if he'd asked where Joy was
on the show What's Joy?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
By the way, she had a lot to say about me. Yeah,
she had a big lots of opinions last week, Miss
ms Bahar. All right, but let's bring it back to
the Biden discussion here is to finish this up for
a second. Sometimes there are arguments that libs have to
make on TV that I just say, Wow, I'm almost
impressed by your willingness to suspend all rational thought. And
(12:31):
it happens more and more regularly these days. Woopy Goldberg
here on Biden's fall. Here's what she had to say.
Play two.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
The New York Times published an article called the Complicated
Reality of being America's Oldest President, which included Biden's recent
fall at the Air Force Academy's graduation. I guess my question,
if he's doing his job, if he's getting stuff done,
what's the problem. Yeah, people fall down, I believe it
to What is this obsession people are just I mean,
(12:58):
I've known all people all and I've never seen this
kind of obsession with you know, people being old and
what the what the hell, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Everybody's getting there? Well, because we've never had a dementia
pation as the president before. It's pretty straightforward, really.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Oh yeah, and we need to come back and talk
more about this too, because actually I was young, but
Ronald Reagan's age I even remember as a young kid
being a huge part of the narrative surrounding Ronald Reagan.
In other words, Democrats attacked Reagan based on his age
a great deal, and Reagan had to address it with
(13:37):
Mondale right in eighty four. I'm paraphrasing, but he said,
I won't use your youth and inexperience against you. Maybe
we can find that cliff. Yet, there's always been a
lot of talk about the age of the president. This
is a huge story. We've never had anyone remotely as
old as Joe Biden. You're right, the amount of duplicity
when it comes to some of these arguments. Frankly, that's
(13:58):
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Off Clay, Travis and buck Sexton chuck up a win
for Team Reality.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Welcome back in Play Travis buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Appreciate all of.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You hanging out with us. Yesterday we talked about Chris Sununu,
current governor of New Hampshire, and the way that he
announced that he was not going to be going after
the twenty twenty four nomination in the Republican primary. He
announced with both CNN and The Washington Post, and then
he continued his tour of left wing media outlets by
(15:55):
going on with Jensaki on MSNBC. Now, we said, all
these people hate us, They're not going to be friendly,
they're not going to be fair, and not surprisingly, Jensaki
tried to argue that Russia collusion happened in twenty sixteen.
But I wanted to give credit to Kristan Nunu for
pushing back against that lie. Yesterday on MSNBC, here's what
(16:16):
it sounded like.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You've all created a situation where, God, what what kind
of planet are we on? Where Donald Trump's become the victim.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Well, personally, I think we've married nobody believes it believe.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
We know.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I have to stop you on that because we know
very clearly that Pudin and the Kremlin did intervene in
our election in order to try to help Donald Trump
back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So we know that is true.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
But you may think that they shouldn't engage in this
as a messaging tool because it's not helpful to them.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, I'm not going to re relitigate you know, the
Russian collusion nonsense that went on for two years.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
You it's nonsense. But nobody, nobody, but nobody buys that
any attack on Trump isn't anything but political.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Can you believe that Jensaki is still trying to sell
the Russia collusion why live on MSNBC And I give
credit for Chris Ununhu for saying that's not true.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, the Democrat base still believes that. You notice the
language that she uses. It's it's very specific that that
Putin intervened in the election. What does that mean exactly?
And what you'd find is that how it translates still
to a large percentage of the Democrat base. You know,
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the same Democrats who go on TV to tell us
all the time. You don't accept the results of elections
while they still live in this fantasyland about twenty sixteen.
Intervention in an election is so broad as to be meaningless,
and this is a tactic of propaganda. It's really a
magnification error.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So what happens is, you know, I could take a
I could take a bucket of you know, boiling water
and pour it into a swimming pool and say, I
just can't change the temperature of the swimming pool. No,
you didn't. Doesn't do anything. It's way too big, it's
not noticeable, it has no effect whatsoever. What they're saying
is because some Russian bots bought some Facebook ads or something.
(18:17):
I think they said it was, what was it, one
hundred thousand dollars. What they ended up finding, which on Facebook,
is you know, nothing that's so key that that change
the result of the election in some capacity. I mean,
that's it's outrageous. And you also have to remember that
this was all going on at a time when the
FBI was actively trying to undermine a political candidate by
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investigating him for the very collusion that did not exist.
But this is a fantasy that they will not let
go because the fantasy of Russia collusion gives the Libs
the imaginary moral high ground because of the imaginary crime
that was committed. Yeah, and you're smart and astute to
point out intervening. Thank you the work that she's trying
(19:02):
to use by using the word intervene there, right, because intervened,
to most people out there, implies, oh, you intervened in
a significant way. What she's saying is Russia intervened in
the twenty sixteen election by spending roughly one hundred thousand
dollars on Facebook ads.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Now, keep in mind there were billions of dollars spent,
billions of dollars spent by both candidates Republicans, Democrats, all
the political action committees on the twenty sixteen election. If
Russia impacted the election in any way by the one
hundred thousand dollars they spent, it is the greatest hundred
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thousand dollars spent in the history of American political campaigns. Okay,
the reality is that that that is such a pinprick
of spending. And I know a little bit about this
because I ran a media company. You can't really influence
anyone in any kind of significant way. On Facebook by
spending one hundred thousand dollars. You just can't. It's possible.
And so what she is trying to do there is
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claim that it's collusion, first of all, which is still
not true CAUs she's using the word intervene to try
to make that a significant claim.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well, that's right, but a better way to put this
forget about my pool analogy. Think of this in terms
of there is in every national election, and put aside
everyone's feelings on twenty twenty for a second. Here, there's
always some fraud. There's always some fraud that happens someone,
and sometimes it's incidental or meaning someone you know votes
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in the wrong they vote in the wrong state, or
they you know, there's always some fraud. There are one
hundred and fifty million ballots that are cast. Is it
right if I were to say, well, you know, we
got three people indicted on double voting in the you know,
twenty twelve election, so that whole election doesn't count. That's
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effectively what they do with the Russia collusion lie. They
find the basis for the most minor, the smallest possible thing.
Or another version of this would be, you know, Clay,
have you ever jaywalked yd all the time, all the time,
Clay Travis. If I ran around it, if someone ran
around saying Clay Travis is a criminal, he's a criminal.
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I mean, it's in the most technical kind of way,
somewhat true. But it's a massive magnification distortion, a magnification error,
and that's that's exactly what they do with Russia collusion.
It's just it's looney tune stuff. But they have not
If anyone thinks they've given them up, they have absolutely
not given up, and they have not admitted they were wrong. Buck.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's funny you mentioned the jaywalking thing. Just by the way,
all that's true. There used to be I don't know
if he's still there. There used to be a cop
on Capitol Hill, and there will be people who worked
in Congress around the two thousand era, and I don't
know how long he kept doing this. He was the
most zealous jaywalking monitor that I've ever seen in my life.
(21:56):
I was an intern on Capitol Hill when I went
to GW Underground, and the number of times that guy
stopped me for jaywalking. Right, And by the way, jaywalking
is just there's nobody on the street at all and
you're gonna cross the street to hop on the DC
Metro or whatever. The number of times that guy stopped me,
I bet he stopped me five or six times. And
I eventually went in the office. I was like, hey,
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am I am I crazy? Or is there a Capitol
Hill police officer who goes after jaywalkers the likes of
which you have never seen before? And around two thousand,
ninety seven to two thousand. I bet if you're on
Capitol Hill and you're listening to us right now, you
will be like, oh my god, I totally forgot about
this guy. I've never seen a cop be that committed
(22:40):
to keeping people from jaywalking.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Buck And well, you're lucky we're in a maga hat.
He might have locked you up in the gool line.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, yeah, Jan, when I see the Jan six prisoners,
I'm like, there might be a history of Clay Travis
jaywalking violations from around circa ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine,
before the turn of three, turn of the century. Now,
as they say it, but that guy was the greatest
most Looney Tunes jaywalking cop that I've ever seen in
(23:08):
my life. So yes, there may be documented records of
me being a jaywalker, I am, in that respect a criminal.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
A smooth criminal indeed, sir, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Wasn't expecting the Michael Jackson reference. That's going to be
a media Matters headline later. Buck Sexton praises.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Tv IT sexual assaulter Michael Jackson an unprecedented attack upon
American moral virtues. I do ask people sometimes I'm like,
do just did we just decide we're not? Because sometimes
I'll hear Michael Jackson songs at a party and I'm like,
is everyone okay with this? Or where are we on this?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, you know, everybody stopped R Kelly, But I think
that was a function of R. Kelly's music wasn't really
that good. I don't think anybody's canceled Michael Jackson. I
still hear Michael Jackson all the time. It just didn't
work his music was I always say, Buck, as long
as your talent exceeds your problems, you're okay.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Michael Jackson's talent, even with the allegations against him, exceeded
his problems.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Also, he died before he.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Was ever convicted of anything, which is I think also
what others point to. I watched that finding Neverland Doc.
That was a tough watch. I'm not gonna lie. I
couldn't get through it. Yeah, I couldn't get through it.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It just because it was so it was so hard
to watch. It just was like I can't.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And also it feels unfair on some level just to me,
when someone dies and they aren't able to defend themselves
at all, and then you come back and just eviscerate
them and there isn't really anybody there to speak out
in your favor that I watched it.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
If it's true, it's awful.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But man, that is a uh a scenario where I
think his music's going to go on just because it's
so good, irrespective of what the artist may have done
in his past life.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I also think this is a tough question for the
woke universe out there, because pretty much every artist, if
you go through every aspect of their life, whether it's literature,
whether it's whether you know, painting, whether it's music, they
have something pretty bad, right, Like it's hard.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
To likely Costo to drive two of his wives to
suicide and was like abusive and horrible. I mean, you
go back, you look at a lot of yeah, bad things.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I mean, Van Go wasn't exactly a guy that you'd
want to bring home to mom and dad if you're
out there in the dating universe, right, I mean, it's
almost impossible to find artists who are completely clean, especially
given the era in which we live in today. I
guess what, getting exercise it's hard, you got a lot
going on, but I'm making time for it. I have
a little bit of the soortness to prove it. And
(25:38):
in particular, you know what I was doing this morning,
I was boxing. And you know when I box, I
like to go. I go nine rounds twenty seven minutes straight,
don't take a break. But you know what happens My
shoulders Actually they kind of ache. Honestly, it's kind of embarrassing.
Get into bed, lay there, roll over, and I'm like, man,
this shoulder issue. I'm forty four. Now I can feel
(25:58):
it after I box for while. Relief factor helps out,
helps out not only me, but also my wife, who
was in far better shape than me, and we take
advantage of this. Fifteen year scientific research treats as pains elbow, hip, knee, head, hand, back,
next shoulder rush. Was a big advocate of relief factor
and you know why, because he spent a lot of
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A couple of things we're gonna get to this hour
interesting the Trump prediction about live golf and the PGA
that's getting a lot of play now, Clay, I see
this a prediction that our owned Clay Travis also made
(27:25):
last before Trump.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I give credit to Trump, but my prediction on Fox
News was a full month before his prediction.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Great mind can think alike. Just FYI, I'm gonna let
you and the Trump stur fight that out at the
seventeenth hole. That's up to you, guys, next time you're
playing golf together. But Trump is predicting as well. Speaking
of predictions, Hunter Biden will get charged with something small
to make their strike on me look fair. I'm starting
(27:55):
to think that some of Trump world's listening to the
radio show here, buddy. But can I just say for
Clay already say before for settle with the victory. I
can already see the victory dance. You know he's about
to start getting going. I have always said that their
plan is to do something that just means no jail,
that the special treatment will be deferred prosecution, something that
(28:16):
doesn't involve any prison time. That is the if they
go for prison time, I'm wrong. If Hunter spends time
in prison, I miss this one. So I think Trump
is probably right on this, but do they feel they
need that to balance it out? Clay Well, Maggie Haberman
(28:37):
of the New York Times is talking about sources telling
her in Trump World that Trump. Now this is from
the New York Times, so take it for what it's worth.
But Maggie Haberman has had a lot of access to
Trump and Trump World. That's just a fact that Trump
expects that there will be federal charges against him in
(28:57):
the mar A Lago documents case too. So do you
make of all of it?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, We've said for a while that we think there
are going to be charges against Trump, and some people
get mad when we say we think they're going to
be charges against Trump. Understand, this is not Buck and
myself making decisions for the Department of Justice about whether
or not to charge. This also is not us saying,
by the way, Joe Biden's alleged crimes are far worse. Right,
(29:23):
we agree with all that. I'm just I believe you
referred to my prediction, and I don't know when I
first made it, but it might have been a year
ago that Hunter Biden would get charged and it would
be the fig leaf that allowed the Department of Justice
to argue that Merrick Garland that he would say, whether
you're the son of the president or the former president,
(29:45):
nobody's above the law. And I'm not sure what the
significance of the charges would be against Hunter. I think
that Trump is right, and I think I've said I'm
not saying they're going to try to lock the key
and throw him away, right, But I believe Buck, I'm correct.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Again, we can go to the transcripts.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I believe you said that was the equivalent of not
just calling a home run, but calling a home run
in the absolute upper deck of the stadium, that you
were going to plant the ball there. I think it's
the way they're going to do it. And this is
me trying to get inside of Merrick Garland's head and
if he is truly undertaking what is an unprecedented, in
(30:19):
my opinion, unjustifiable expansion of political warfare that we've never
seen in two hundred plus years in this country. To
try to put your chief political adversary in prison, using
the Department of Justice and the FBI to do so,
of the sitting American president, he and his mind. Buck
as a lawyer has to convince himself that this is
(30:43):
a justified action, and that Trump's behavior is so egregious
it's worthy of doing so.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But he wouldn't have to think of this in terms
of trade offs. If no one's above the law, it
doesn't matter whether this is done to Hunter Biden or not.
If Trump broke the law, no one's above the law.
So I don't see it as as a It's not
a legal rationale. It's a political rationale masquerading as a
legal rationale. Okay, it's it's a great point. And here's
what I would say.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I know a lot of lawyers who care desperately what
other lawyers think about them. You know, you know how
a profession sometimes judges itself more aggressively than it does
like the general public. There are lots of lawyers, and
Merrick Garland as one, that want to be extremely esteemed
(31:34):
by other members of the bar. And I think in
his mind, again, this is me trying to get in
Merick Garland, the Attorney General's mind. If he just charges Trump,
it looks like he is just the hatchet man of
Joe Biden. And I can give he doesn't want that buck.
I think he wants this idea of I am he
(31:55):
wanted to be a Supreme Court jests.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Right, this is me inside his head telling you what
I think he's so. I have a very different view
of Merrick Garland, right, this is just based on his actions.
I think Merrick Garland is the guy who was willing
to go along with the parents at the teacher meetings,
at the school board meetings. Are domestic terrorists that need
to be investigated. I think Merrick Garland is a guy
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who is deeply embittered to this day because of the
bet that really the Democrats gave to the Republicans, which is,
you know, or Mitch McConnell decided that he wasn't going
to get the upper down vote in the end of
the Obama administration, and they figured, oh, fine, Merrick Garland,
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that was our moderate pick, which wasn't even true. Just
as an aside, but when we have President Hillary, we're
going to get a really great judge in there, and
he lost out, and I think he's bitter about that.
So I don't know that he's somebody who at this point,
I mean even people, I'll tell you this. Any McCarthy,
our friend who comes on, you'll know him. Fox News
Southern District prosecutor for decade's he was a Merrick Garland's
(33:02):
pretty I talked about this many years ago. He's like
a Merrick Garland's pretty close to being a moderate. If
we got Andy on now, based on what he's done
under the Biden administration, he'd say Merrick Garland is a hack.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Okay, that's you know, so I think things have changed
that take I get totally buck. And again, what I'm
thinking is Merrick Garland is what is he like sixty five?
That's my guess. Staff can let us know exactly how
old he is. My point on that is he's not
a young man who's got a long career. This is
probably the last job that he's ever going to have,
and so in his mind, and again this is me
(33:35):
trying to get in Merick Garland's mind. You guys out
there may think this is crazy. I'm just telling you.
Having spent time around older lawyers, they start to think
a great deal about their legacy. And the legacy is
often defined by the precedents that they set that future
attorney generals will look at, that future lawyers will study
in law school. Right, I think he is desperately concerned
(33:58):
about what his legacy he is. And if he just
he's gonna turn seventy one, he's even older than I
thought he's gonna be seventy one in November.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I also charging a charging the leading Republican presidential contender
who's a former president, and charging the sitting president's crackhead
son is not the same thing. It's not in the
same universe, even apart from even apart from the crimes,
even apart from everything else. So I don't understand this.
Doesn't the argument of like if he was sitting around
with the fancy lawyers in the smoke filled room and
(34:27):
he's like, see you guys, I'm so even handed. That
argument's preposterous. And I don't even think he really cares
it matters to him. And if he's seventy one and
this is the last job that he's ever gonna have,
if he's going to undertake a truly unprecedented act, I
think he wants the fig leaf of I applied justice evenly,
(34:47):
whether it was the president's son or it was the
president of the United States. I'm telling you that I think
this is gonna be his talking point. And if I'm
wrong and he's gonna be totally partisan, Like, I think
Trump's gonna get charged, but I think he wants that
fig leaf. I think that's also why they like the
fact that Mike Pence had classified docsbuck, because they're also
going to say, and we're not just charging Trump because
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he's a Republican.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Mike Pence is a Republican running for president. He had
classified documents too, but he handled it the right way.
Double fig leafs.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I don't think they need fig leafs. I don't think
he cares. I don't understand. Let me hold hold on,
Oh wait, hold on, Hold on a second, Hold on
a second. So the Mike Pence thing and that Joe
Biden classified documents are effectively exactly the same. So no
person would look at what happened. They had some loose documents,
(35:40):
you know, around that were not secure. That's it classified.
Those charges, or rather those circumstances for charges, are for
all intents and purposes, exactly the same. So it is
impossible to even pretend that there's a rule of law
if you're going to charge Mike Pence and not charge
Joe Biden for it, not going to charge Trump for
(36:03):
the documents. As we all know, the belief is and
maybe they don't charge him at all. We don't know,
but people have people are thinking that it's gonna be charges,
and it's going to be around obstruction of the documents. Now,
assuming that that's true, they'll just say the obstruction is
the problem, not the rest of it. And I also
just think Clay, this has been building for a long time.
(36:24):
It's remarkable when you think about how many Republican politicians
have faced either investigation of a criminal nature or even
a prosecution that's completely outrageous and obviously partisan. Him and
you go down the lit Chris Christy, who's running member Bridgegate.
They got to lock him up. It's horrible what he
(36:45):
did with the with the traffic jam, Scott Walker, the
John Doe investigations, Rick Perry wanting to fire a prosecutor
who was drunk driving. It's felony, abuse of power. Bob
MacDonald and Virginia when he was the governor. The Supreme
Court had to say, you can't act. She just throws
someone in prison because he was hanging out with somebody
like that's not really a thing. Of course, Russia Trump
(37:06):
collusion and all that with the Special Council, they have
been building to this for over a decade and this
this is actually a perfect transition. What does Gavin Newsom's
fall back when he's getting into this public spat with
Ron DeSantis kidnapping charges. There have been a couple of flights,
a couple of flights of migrants that have ended up
(37:30):
in Sacramento, California, and the the governor of California has
said openly, Now, I mean, this is the feud that
is spilling out into you know, into into public view
for everybody. The headline here is Newsom threatens to Santis
with kidnapping charges over migrant flights to Sacramento, Clay. This
(37:51):
has become completely normalized for Democrats. Now instead of Newsom
saying my policies are better than yours, it's maybe we're
going to try to extradite the governor of Florida to CALIFORNI.
You're under kidnapping charges. Also, offering someone a free ride
is not kidnapping. This is you don't have to be
a lawyer to get this one. This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Well, this is a uh, this is a preview of
twenty twenty eight. Gavin Newsom is obsessed fatal attraction style
with Ron DeSantis, Like go look at Gavin Newsom's Twitter feed.
He is constantly responding to everything Ron de Santis does.
And maybe it's in the event that Biden doesn't run,
(38:31):
and in the event that something happens with Trump in charges,
and everybody expects that we're gonna get Trump Biden part two.
But Buck, in the event that we end up with
something different than that, I think a DeSantis versus Newsome
matchup is not out of the question. And and here,
Buck is a upper deck. Here is a called shot,
(38:52):
the likes of which you have not ever come.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Shot.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I'm going into this all right, I'm gonna tease this
if if I get this right, we got to think
about what sort of payoff this would be. This is
like hitting a parlay. For those of you who are gamblers,
this is like hitting a sixteen parlay. I have got
an incredible theory that I am going to share with
you surrounding these allegations and criminal investigations and everything else
(39:20):
on the next segment, and.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
We're gonna start We're gonna start clipping all of these moments,
and we're gonna start betting things. I don't know. Clay
has to do the show with a mustache for six
months instead of his beer PGA thing. I'm I'm just
saying it's a good day. But I didn't. I didn't
even that's you know, there's no opposition to that one,
even care less. I'm glad you nail that though you
(39:42):
did nail it. Although they're saying that Trump nail did Clay.
So let let's not for Trump. Is that great mind
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Speaker 2 (41:11):
Back in play Travis buck Sexton show. We're joined now.
Cool guest. He's in our New York City studio. You
can watch him I Believe on video if you are
one of our VIP subscribers. Coach Bill Courtney, who just
launched a new podcast on iHeart called an Army of
Normal Folks. He's also the subject and I love this movie.
(41:32):
Some of you may have seen it. Won an Oscar
in Documentary the documentary category called Undefeated.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Author of against the Grain.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And I want to start, Coach with the movie Undefeated
for those of you out there who are looking for
something that you might want to watch with your family.
If you haven't seen this, it's the story of Bill
and a inner city Memphis team and their quest to
try to win a state championship. And really, you seem
to agree to which And this is why I was
(42:01):
so fired up about COVID shutting down so many schools,
a huge percentage of boys, And I know a lot
of you out there listening know exactly what I'm talking about,
and I want you to explain it for people who may.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Not see it.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Coach, A huge percentage of boys out there, especially in
inner cities, stay in school so they can play sports.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I mean, that's just the truth. And you hope the
light bulb is going to go off at some point.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Basketball football, but whatever the sport is, Coach, what did
you see and how important when that movie Undefeated came out,
which won an Oscar and it's fabulous. I encourage you
guys all to watch it. How much does just playing
a sport help to keep so many kids out there
on the straight and narrow and even enrolled in school period.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Well, it's the hook. I mean, I can't tell you
how many people have come to me and said, you know,
I've tried to do this, I've tried to do that.
How do I reach this segment of people or this
segment of people and the answers. You got to have
a hook? And the hook for me was football. And
you're absolutely right. A lot of kids, obviously they have
(43:03):
it backwards. They're not in school to play football, they're
in school to learn. But the true candor is the
football is the hook, and that hook gives you an
opportunity to reach them on things that will hopefully last
long after football ends.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Coach Bill, it's buck, thanks for being with us. So
Clay has been it. Thank you, Thank you. Clay has
been educating me on this PGA Live merger. A lot
of big headlines all across the internet. Some people very
very fired up over this. What do you think? I mean,
you're a guy who knows sports, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (43:40):
You know?
Speaker 5 (43:42):
I think it's a pot purry of gravy and mashed
potatoes mixed up with egos that God only knows what
that's going to taste like when it's over with frankly.
I mean it's a lot of money, a lot of ego,
a lot of posturing, and you know, it's amazing. It's
(44:05):
almost like politics. How people can sit there and tell
one another how bad they don't like each other and
how much they distrust each other and how evil one
another are, and then somehow turn around and end up
in a in a bowl together. Yeah. I don't I
don't know. I think I think people should check their
(44:27):
egos at the door a little bit and avoid some
of what those guys are going through right now.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
And would you tell us what you launched a podcast
on iHeart last month, an army actually normal.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
Actually today guys today, I'm yeah, I've been working on
it for a year, actually doing interviews and all, but
the first launch today on iHeart and it's yeah, it's
an army of normal folks. And yeah, it kind of
sounds goofy, but that is in all of our urban areas.
(45:03):
We drive around the cities and there's these exits or
all ramps or viaducts where you really don't want your
car to break down or you have a flat tire,
and you kind of look over the edge of the
viaduct as you pass by and you think, man, somebody
ought to do something about that one day as you
kind of peer down at the despair and the disenfranchisement,
(45:26):
the poverty and the brokenness that continues to plague our
society and culture today, as if that sentiment matters. And
I don't think the sentiment means a damn thing. Frankly,
I think you got to tilt that rearview mirror about
thirty degrees and look yourself in the face and say,
you know, I ought to do something about that one day.
(45:50):
I think government has proven woefully inadequate in caring for
the most disadvantaged among us. I think it becomes paternalistic.
I think we strip people of the dignity and value
of hard work. And I think the more government, the worse.
And I think you can say that, but you're hypocritical
(46:11):
to say that if then you're not willing to get
off your butt and go do something in your communities
about things that that you can that you can do.
And so we've created this podcast called an Army of
Normal Folks, and we are interviewing I just don't think
the world's problems are going to be solved by fancy
(46:32):
people on Fox and CNN using big words that nobody understands.
I just I think I think we have a lot
of dysfunction in DC. And you know, we have sought
out average, normal folks who have done extraordinary things in
their communities. And we're telling those stories. And we're not
(46:55):
telling those stories in a hallmark way with a pretty
bow wrapped up on it. All of us have failures
and inhibitions and goals and dreams and sadness and excitement
our life, and so we kind of unpack each of
these individuals worlds where they came from and not why
they did something good, because they're so wonderful, but really
(47:18):
what they overcame to be active in their communities and societies.
And we tell those stories each week, and the idea
is hopefully it's not only redemptive, but inspirational, and it
motivates all of us to say, I don't care if
we're right, left, black, white, green, blue, Christian, Jewish, agnostic, whatever,
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the one thing we all can do together is be
an army of normal folks serving those in our community.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Coach last question for you your story Undefeated, and I would
encourage people to check out the podcast at iheart's distributing
an army of normal folks. But you in the movie
Undefeated spent obviously a huge part of that story is
Memphis right What can you tell us about what's going
on in the ground in Memphis right now? This show
is number one, I believe in the Memphis area. Tons
(48:08):
of people are listening there right now. Memphis has had
a brutal past several years. Your story was before COVID,
several years before, but the struggles of the city has
been going through were certainly epitomized in that story.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
What is the city of Memphis like now?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
And what needs to happen in order for Memphis to
get back to being a place that frankly is safe
and that allows as many kids as possible to have
productive futures.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Memphis is a cool place. First of all. I don't
want to rail on Memphis. I mean lots of culture,
lots of history, music, barbecue, FedEx World headquarters, is there,
international paper, AutoZone. Memphis has a lot going forward, but
you're absolutely right, it has a lot going against it.
And candidly, guys, I would love to be able to
(48:59):
join and you all for two hours and talk every
political bit you guys can come up with, and I
do listen to you, and I you know, I love it.
But what I'm about to say is really not very sexy.
But it's just true. Until we start educating our children,
we are going to continue to have problems in our cities.
(49:22):
And education is really not a sexy buzzword. It's not
something that ever ticks in the top ten of politicians
worlds when they're out campaigning. But it's just true. And
the other truth to that is we all have a
problem with it. School Boards are typically elected, and so
(49:42):
we have a problem with our school boards. We have
a problem with our teachers and school unions. We have
a problem with our parents, We have a problem with
our administrators. We have a problem. And we sit there
and we see our city's tax bases dwindle because we
continue to graduate productive citizens that are adding to that
(50:03):
tax space, and we see crime being committed by younger
and younger and younger people that should be in high
school or haven't been in high school, aren't learning anything.
And we sit around and talk about what are we
going to do? And meanwhile, we all are complicit in
a really poorly educated public. And until we get serious
(50:28):
about taking care of our kids. We're going to continue
to perpetuate generational poverty and crime, and I think Memphis
is suffering from that. But I also think so do
many muchropolitan areas around our country, and it gets worse
and worse until we get serious about it. I fear
(50:52):
we're going to continue to suffer the consequences of that
inaction on our part.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Coach Bill, thanks so much for being here. The podcast
is out for everyone to check out. An Army of
Normal Folks launched on iHeart today. It's out. Go check
it out.
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Thanks guys Undefeated check that out too, Buck, I think
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome on and everybody. Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. I'm coming to
you from Saint Louis, which is quite a lovely place.
Going to be seeing a lot of you who are
in the area tonight, and we have much to discuss
(00:21):
as we break into the news cycle today. Let me
just give you a little bit of a a little
bit of a menu. We're doing news a la carte here,
many things to discuss. We have Elon Musk going to
host presidential candidate our FK Junior on Twitter. So the
(00:41):
RFK Junior phenomenon is not just disappearing. Quite the opposite.
It feels like it's getting more momentum. Clay and I
talked to you a bit about that yesterday. We'll get
into more of it. Gavin Newsom has a threatened possible
kidnapping charges against Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, because
(01:04):
of migrants who have been flown to Sacramento, California. Again,
Democrats continue to show everybody that migrants are such a
blessing wherever they end up, that anyone who puts migrants
in Democrat cities should be called out, shouted down, and
maybe even prosecuted, which as we all know, is completely nuts.
(01:27):
And then we also have Eric Adams saying that he
wants migrants to be housed in New York City in
private homes or in private places. And meanwhile, Clay, I
know there's the live golf phenomenon that you are going
to tell everybody about. I saw the headlines on this
(01:50):
and it was one of those It's Clay territory. So
Clay is going to make sense if live golf is
do you want to just give us We'll talk with
this in the second hour, But what's the twenty or
thirty second Pracie. I want to bring us back to
New York City and the migrants in California and Newsom
and DeSantis in a second. But live golf in the PGA,
(02:10):
what do we need to know? In brief? It's a
monster story.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I would bet that a huge percentage of our audience
either plays or watches golf. One year ago, the Saudis
backed a chief rival to the PGA, and now they
are merging and buck. What you need to know from
a big picture perspective, and we'll talk about this in
the next hour. Is everybody who's woke argued, how in
(02:34):
the world could you ever partner with the Saudis. You
can't do this, you can't leave and go to this
rival league. And then the PGA tour itself is now
partnering with the Saudis. Trump is involved. There's all these
different kind of sexy, fascinating components. We'll talk about it
in the next hour. But that news came down just
(02:55):
in the last couple of hours. Probably some people listening
to us right now like what they're merging that happened.
We'll talk about it in the next hour.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And you know, there's something else, Clay, before I even
get us deeper into, I think we all see, and
it's in the future. It's down the line, and it
really we'll see how much it plays into this election cycle,
because I still don't believe, although I will say the
emails flying in fast and furious from our listeners who
are just they just refuse to believe Joe Biden's going
(03:25):
to be the nominee. It's really interesting. I don't know
if this is more a function of the strength of
that belief or a broader a more broadly held position.
But the audience, there are a lot of people listening
who you know, it's they just they don't buy it.
They don't buy that Joe Biden's going to be the
nominee and we're still looking to see how that could change.
(03:46):
I'm putting my money. I got to come up with
some kind of a bet for audience members here. I'm
putting my money on It's still Joe. It's still Joe.
But we'll get into it. We'll get into more of
that in just a moment here. I think it's interesting
that Gavin newsom Ron DeSantis feud. This is even this
is a state issue obviously, even if it's not a
(04:07):
presidential election issue. But we'll talk about it. But it
kind of just to first, because you poured this out
to me. I know that there's some part of us
that always has to say, yeah, we all know the
media superbias, right, Clay, Yeah, this was interesting. This is
from Tom Elliott's Twitter page. It's a montage and it
just shows you the difference between Joe Biden wiping out
(04:28):
on stage and then flailing to get up and President
Trump walking slowly, carefully. Play clip one. I don't blame
him for tripping it. It was a sandbag, so what
so what? He could have been Bernie, and we love Bernie.
Does anything about this warrant the questions that, of course
we're seeing predictably in some quarters about his fitness for office,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I guess there was like a sand bay and Twitter
and the writer going crazy. It's currently dominating Fox News primetime.
It's the most important thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
President Trump was very self conscious about that incident, and
he was quite concerned about falling.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
He literally tiptoed down around at I believe this was
West Point More Startling.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
This week, Bruce Springsteen took a fall on stage and
he was on his back for quite a bit longer
than the president today. Is robust, is robust mentally, is
robust physically. And what happened with today could have happened
to anyone. Can we just say, Clay without even trying
to specify it, without even separating we all know when
(05:28):
they're talking about Biden versus when they're talking about Trump, this.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Is impossible for them to justify because they tried every time.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
When Trump picked up.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
A glass and his hand was shaking, as you heard
on that clip when Trump slowly walked down in dress shoes,
mind you, a sloping wet ramp at West Point. And
by the way, the general beside him was also walking
gingerly down a wet ramp in dress shoes. Anybody who
(06:03):
has ever walked anywhere Buck, in dress shoes on a
wet ramp, it's easy to bust your ass.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Biden almost fell at the G seven.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
He regularly falls going up the stairs and down the
stairs on Air Force one, and this was a big fall. Okay,
Plus it all adds up because remember the data reflects
now that two thirds of Americans do not believe that
Biden has the mental or physical wherewithal to be president.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Of the United States.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
When you combine that with the fall, it is a
monster story. And if we were ever going to talk
about the twenty fifth Amendment being invoked, and I don't
like the idea of doing it period because it effectively
wipes out actual presidential elections, but this would be the
time to be having those discussions.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
When you add up, remember Biden tried to talk to
a dead congresswoman. Remember when he called out for Jackie
wears Jackie, She's dead. Unfortunately, Joe Biden, she's been dead
for some time. He can't read off the teleprompter. You're
one hundred percent right, Buck when you talk about they
put those big aviator glasses on him to try to
hide his booking so befuddled. It's a calculated move. I
(07:15):
think the mask was a calculated move because it helped
to defray from how old and decrepit and frankly dementia
lateen he is. But they lie, they lie to you,
and they just don't apply the same consistent standards, and
I think it's important to call it out.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I want to call out woop Be Goldberg on the
Biden fall issue. But before I do, can I say
something because I caught this when I was doing my
read in for the show this morning. Clay, you know,
Senator Scott did a phenomenal job yesterday on the View.
We played that big SoundBite where he just he just
goes into really the heart of the false narrative that
(07:56):
the Democrats rely on for political power of the country
is still so racist and we haven't made tremendous progress,
and race relations are going in the wrong direction. All
this stuff. He totally shut that down. I think Joy
Bayhar wasn't. There wasn't Joy Bahar the one who said
this was this was a decision that I didn't pick
(08:16):
up on initially. Joy Behar was the one who said
that Senator Scott does not know what it is to
be a black man in America. And when they had
Sonny Austin conduct the interview with Senator Scott, so, you know,
because initially I thought, well the view, they're actually brave
enough that well, not brave enough to have the host
on who said the thing that got all the attention.
(08:37):
I don't know why they used to come on Buck
or do you think it was coincidental, Maybe she was
on vacation and they had him on, because it seems
like a big story that she would call him out,
he would call her out for wearing blackface on our show,
and then she's not there for the interview. I think
the producers, I think the execs made a decision that
she would not be there, but they would have the
(08:59):
other their hosts have him on so they can seem
like they were willing to deal with what had been
said on their show. Right. I mean, it's like if
we're sitting here, Clay, and you know, we we call
somebody out big time. Let's let's say, let's say you
you call out some sportsball guy who's making too much
money and is actually he's a bum, he's not worth
(09:20):
the big contract, and then they have me sit there
because you're out that day to interview him like that.
You know that doesn't count, right, It's like you got
to have the person who says the thing. So I
just I noticed that when I was looking at the
clips this morn, I said, hold on a second, there
wasn't that the person who said the thing that got
so much attention with Senator Scott was not there?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So I just noteworthy. They can tell us whatever they
want about why why joy Behar wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
By the way, I'm not gonna be here Wednesday, Thursday
or Friday. We don't have anybody scheduled that I'm trying
to avoid.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Right, let's go ahead and may let's go ahead and
follow that up because if for some reason the people
are like, oh, it's awfully convenient Clay's not here, I'm
gonna be a BlackBerry farms up in East Tennessee with
my wife and two other couples on a little getaway
for a couple of days. But I think you're right.
I don't think I think either.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Joy Behar refused to go on because she felt like
the show was being disloyal, which to me is a
really interesting story. Or producer said, hey, this is a
bad look for you because you dressed up in blackface
and told the black guy what he could believe. Maybe
it's a good Monday for you to take off. I
would like to know what the behind the scenes negotiation
(10:30):
and discussion here was. Now, maybe she's out the whole
week and this is her vacation. But even then, if
I were Joey Bahar, I'd be like, this is gonna
make me look bad.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I'd want to be here. He was in the Hampton.
She couldn't make it in on this Monday.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
We check the staff check. I don't know how you
what time the views on. I think they're on around
the same time as us. Will somebody check and see
if the dumbest woman on television is back in her
seat today or if she remains out, because it would
be very interesting if she just skipped Monday show with
Tim Scott. She's there, you know there are there today?
They said, buck, oh spicy.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Oh oh, come on I think this is getting pretty
obvious everybody. If it wasn't obvious, she's not there, thank you. Yeah, well,
this is that they tried just to do a little switch.
They tried to a little switch here. Oh yeah, we'll
have him on. We won't have Joy behar there so
he can say, excuse me, older white liberal lady, why
(11:23):
do I meaning Tim Scott not know what it is
to be a black man in America today? Like, please
explain further. They knew, they knew they had to have
a response from him, But I mean, am I team
tell me if I'm wrong. I don't believe she definitely
wasn't in the sound bite yesterday.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I don't think she was.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
She's not there, and now she's back today. So they
set her out for one day when Tim Scott happens
to be on the show. So either refuse to come on,
buck or they told her, hey, we think it's best
for you not to come on, because he could retort
at some point, hey, pipe down over their black face.
Let me tell you what actual black people think. I mean,
which would have been Can you imagine if that clip
(12:03):
as viral as the one he had went, it would
have been even funnier if he'd asked where Joy was
on the show What's Joy?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
By the way, she had a lot to say about me. Yeah,
she had a big lots of opinions last week, Miss
ms Bahar. All right, but let's bring it back to
the Biden discussion here is to finish this up for
a second. Sometimes there are arguments that libs have to
make on TV that I just say, Wow, I'm almost
impressed by your willingness to suspend all rational thought. And
(12:31):
it happens more and more regularly these days. Woopy Goldberg
here on Biden's fall. Here's what she had to say.
Play two.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
The New York Times published an article called the Complicated
Reality of being America's Oldest President, which included Biden's recent
fall at the Air Force Academy's graduation. I guess my question,
if he's doing his job, if he's getting stuff done,
what's the problem. Yeah, people fall down, I believe it
to What is this obsession people are just I mean,
(12:58):
I've known all people all and I've never seen this
kind of obsession with you know, people being old and
what the what the hell, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Everybody's getting there? Well, because we've never had a dementia
pation as the president before. It's pretty straightforward, really.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Oh yeah, and we need to come back and talk
more about this too, because actually I was young, but
Ronald Reagan's age I even remember as a young kid
being a huge part of the narrative surrounding Ronald Reagan.
In other words, Democrats attacked Reagan based on his age
a great deal, and Reagan had to address it with
(13:37):
Mondale right in eighty four. I'm paraphrasing, but he said,
I won't use your youth and inexperience against you. Maybe
we can find that cliff. Yet, there's always been a
lot of talk about the age of the president. This
is a huge story. We've never had anyone remotely as
old as Joe Biden. You're right, the amount of duplicity
when it comes to some of these arguments. Frankly, that's
(13:58):
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Off Clay, Travis and buck Sexton chuck up a win
for Team Reality.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Welcome back in Play Travis buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Appreciate all of.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You hanging out with us. Yesterday we talked about Chris Sununu,
current governor of New Hampshire, and the way that he
announced that he was not going to be going after
the twenty twenty four nomination in the Republican primary. He
announced with both CNN and The Washington Post, and then
he continued his tour of left wing media outlets by
(15:55):
going on with Jensaki on MSNBC. Now, we said, all
these people hate us, They're not going to be friendly,
they're not going to be fair, and not surprisingly, Jensaki
tried to argue that Russia collusion happened in twenty sixteen.
But I wanted to give credit to Kristan Nunu for
pushing back against that lie. Yesterday on MSNBC, here's what
(16:16):
it sounded like.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You've all created a situation where, God, what what kind
of planet are we on? Where Donald Trump's become the victim.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Well, personally, I think we've married nobody believes it believe.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
We know.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I have to stop you on that because we know
very clearly that Pudin and the Kremlin did intervene in
our election in order to try to help Donald Trump
back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So we know that is true.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
But you may think that they shouldn't engage in this
as a messaging tool because it's not helpful to them.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, I'm not going to re relitigate you know, the
Russian collusion nonsense that went on for two years.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
You it's nonsense. But nobody, nobody, but nobody buys that
any attack on Trump isn't anything but political.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Can you believe that Jensaki is still trying to sell
the Russia collusion why live on MSNBC And I give
credit for Chris Ununhu for saying that's not true.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, the Democrat base still believes that. You notice the
language that she uses. It's it's very specific that that
Putin intervened in the election. What does that mean exactly?
And what you'd find is that how it translates still
to a large percentage of the Democrat base. You know,
(17:33):
the same Democrats who go on TV to tell us
all the time. You don't accept the results of elections
while they still live in this fantasyland about twenty sixteen.
Intervention in an election is so broad as to be meaningless,
and this is a tactic of propaganda. It's really a
magnification error.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So what happens is, you know, I could take a
I could take a bucket of you know, boiling water
and pour it into a swimming pool and say, I
just can't change the temperature of the swimming pool. No,
you didn't. Doesn't do anything. It's way too big, it's
not noticeable, it has no effect whatsoever. What they're saying
is because some Russian bots bought some Facebook ads or something.
(18:17):
I think they said it was, what was it, one
hundred thousand dollars. What they ended up finding, which on Facebook,
is you know, nothing that's so key that that change
the result of the election in some capacity. I mean,
that's it's outrageous. And you also have to remember that
this was all going on at a time when the
FBI was actively trying to undermine a political candidate by
(18:40):
investigating him for the very collusion that did not exist.
But this is a fantasy that they will not let
go because the fantasy of Russia collusion gives the Libs
the imaginary moral high ground because of the imaginary crime
that was committed. Yeah, and you're smart and astute to
point out intervening. Thank you the work that she's trying
(19:02):
to use by using the word intervene there, right, because intervened,
to most people out there, implies, oh, you intervened in
a significant way. What she's saying is Russia intervened in
the twenty sixteen election by spending roughly one hundred thousand
dollars on Facebook ads.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Now, keep in mind there were billions of dollars spent,
billions of dollars spent by both candidates Republicans, Democrats, all
the political action committees on the twenty sixteen election. If
Russia impacted the election in any way by the one
hundred thousand dollars they spent, it is the greatest hundred
(19:42):
thousand dollars spent in the history of American political campaigns. Okay,
the reality is that that that is such a pinprick
of spending. And I know a little bit about this
because I ran a media company. You can't really influence
anyone in any kind of significant way. On Facebook by
spending one hundred thousand dollars. You just can't. It's possible.
And so what she is trying to do there is
(20:05):
claim that it's collusion, first of all, which is still
not true CAUs she's using the word intervene to try
to make that a significant claim.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well, that's right, but a better way to put this
forget about my pool analogy. Think of this in terms
of there is in every national election, and put aside
everyone's feelings on twenty twenty for a second. Here, there's
always some fraud. There's always some fraud that happens someone,
and sometimes it's incidental or meaning someone you know votes
(20:33):
in the wrong they vote in the wrong state, or
they you know, there's always some fraud. There are one
hundred and fifty million ballots that are cast. Is it
right if I were to say, well, you know, we
got three people indicted on double voting in the you know,
twenty twelve election, so that whole election doesn't count. That's
(20:54):
effectively what they do with the Russia collusion lie. They
find the basis for the most minor, the smallest possible thing.
Or another version of this would be, you know, Clay,
have you ever jaywalked yd all the time, all the time,
Clay Travis. If I ran around it, if someone ran
around saying Clay Travis is a criminal, he's a criminal.
(21:15):
I mean, it's in the most technical kind of way,
somewhat true. But it's a massive magnification distortion, a magnification error,
and that's that's exactly what they do with Russia collusion.
It's just it's looney tune stuff. But they have not
If anyone thinks they've given them up, they have absolutely
not given up, and they have not admitted they were wrong. Buck.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's funny you mentioned the jaywalking thing. Just by the way,
all that's true. There used to be I don't know
if he's still there. There used to be a cop
on Capitol Hill, and there will be people who worked
in Congress around the two thousand era, and I don't
know how long he kept doing this. He was the
most zealous jaywalking monitor that I've ever seen in my life.
(21:56):
I was an intern on Capitol Hill when I went
to GW Underground, and the number of times that guy
stopped me for jaywalking. Right, And by the way, jaywalking
is just there's nobody on the street at all and
you're gonna cross the street to hop on the DC
Metro or whatever. The number of times that guy stopped me,
I bet he stopped me five or six times. And
I eventually went in the office. I was like, hey,
(22:18):
am I am I crazy? Or is there a Capitol
Hill police officer who goes after jaywalkers the likes of
which you have never seen before? And around two thousand,
ninety seven to two thousand. I bet if you're on
Capitol Hill and you're listening to us right now, you
will be like, oh my god, I totally forgot about
this guy. I've never seen a cop be that committed
(22:40):
to keeping people from jaywalking.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Buck And well, you're lucky we're in a maga hat.
He might have locked you up in the gool line.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, yeah, Jan, when I see the Jan six prisoners,
I'm like, there might be a history of Clay Travis
jaywalking violations from around circa ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine,
before the turn of three, turn of the century. Now,
as they say it, but that guy was the greatest
most Looney Tunes jaywalking cop that I've ever seen in
(23:08):
my life. So yes, there may be documented records of
me being a jaywalker, I am, in that respect a criminal.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
A smooth criminal indeed, sir, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Wasn't expecting the Michael Jackson reference. That's going to be
a media Matters headline later. Buck Sexton praises.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Tv IT sexual assaulter Michael Jackson an unprecedented attack upon
American moral virtues. I do ask people sometimes I'm like,
do just did we just decide we're not? Because sometimes
I'll hear Michael Jackson songs at a party and I'm like,
is everyone okay with this? Or where are we on this?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, you know, everybody stopped R Kelly, But I think
that was a function of R. Kelly's music wasn't really
that good. I don't think anybody's canceled Michael Jackson. I
still hear Michael Jackson all the time. It just didn't
work his music was I always say, Buck, as long
as your talent exceeds your problems, you're okay.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Michael Jackson's talent, even with the allegations against him, exceeded
his problems.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Also, he died before he.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Was ever convicted of anything, which is I think also
what others point to. I watched that finding Neverland Doc.
That was a tough watch. I'm not gonna lie. I
couldn't get through it. Yeah, I couldn't get through it.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It just because it was so it was so hard
to watch. It just was like I can't.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And also it feels unfair on some level just to me,
when someone dies and they aren't able to defend themselves
at all, and then you come back and just eviscerate
them and there isn't really anybody there to speak out
in your favor that I watched it.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
If it's true, it's awful.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But man, that is a uh a scenario where I
think his music's going to go on just because it's
so good, irrespective of what the artist may have done
in his past life.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I also think this is a tough question for the
woke universe out there, because pretty much every artist, if
you go through every aspect of their life, whether it's literature,
whether it's whether you know, painting, whether it's music, they
have something pretty bad, right, Like it's hard.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
To likely Costo to drive two of his wives to
suicide and was like abusive and horrible. I mean, you
go back, you look at a lot of yeah, bad things.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I mean, Van Go wasn't exactly a guy that you'd
want to bring home to mom and dad if you're
out there in the dating universe, right, I mean, it's
almost impossible to find artists who are completely clean, especially
given the era in which we live in today. I
guess what, getting exercise it's hard, you got a lot
going on, but I'm making time for it. I have
a little bit of the soortness to prove it. And
(25:38):
in particular, you know what I was doing this morning,
I was boxing. And you know when I box, I
like to go. I go nine rounds twenty seven minutes straight,
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shoulders Actually they kind of ache. Honestly, it's kind of embarrassing.
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A couple of things we're gonna get to this hour
interesting the Trump prediction about live golf and the PGA
that's getting a lot of play now, Clay, I see
this a prediction that our owned Clay Travis also made
(27:25):
last before Trump.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I give credit to Trump, but my prediction on Fox
News was a full month before his prediction.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Great mind can think alike. Just FYI, I'm gonna let
you and the Trump stur fight that out at the
seventeenth hole. That's up to you, guys, next time you're
playing golf together. But Trump is predicting as well. Speaking
of predictions, Hunter Biden will get charged with something small
to make their strike on me look fair. I'm starting
(27:55):
to think that some of Trump world's listening to the
radio show here, buddy. But can I just say for
Clay already say before for settle with the victory. I
can already see the victory dance. You know he's about
to start getting going. I have always said that their
plan is to do something that just means no jail,
that the special treatment will be deferred prosecution, something that
(28:16):
doesn't involve any prison time. That is the if they
go for prison time, I'm wrong. If Hunter spends time
in prison, I miss this one. So I think Trump
is probably right on this, but do they feel they
need that to balance it out? Clay Well, Maggie Haberman
(28:37):
of the New York Times is talking about sources telling
her in Trump World that Trump. Now this is from
the New York Times, so take it for what it's worth.
But Maggie Haberman has had a lot of access to
Trump and Trump World. That's just a fact that Trump
expects that there will be federal charges against him in
(28:57):
the mar A Lago documents case too. So do you
make of all of it?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, We've said for a while that we think there
are going to be charges against Trump, and some people
get mad when we say we think they're going to
be charges against Trump. Understand, this is not Buck and
myself making decisions for the Department of Justice about whether
or not to charge. This also is not us saying,
by the way, Joe Biden's alleged crimes are far worse. Right,
(29:23):
we agree with all that. I'm just I believe you
referred to my prediction, and I don't know when I
first made it, but it might have been a year
ago that Hunter Biden would get charged and it would
be the fig leaf that allowed the Department of Justice
to argue that Merrick Garland that he would say, whether
you're the son of the president or the former president,
(29:45):
nobody's above the law. And I'm not sure what the
significance of the charges would be against Hunter. I think
that Trump is right, and I think I've said I'm
not saying they're going to try to lock the key
and throw him away, right, But I believe Buck, I'm correct.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Again, we can go to the transcripts.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I believe you said that was the equivalent of not
just calling a home run, but calling a home run
in the absolute upper deck of the stadium, that you
were going to plant the ball there. I think it's
the way they're going to do it. And this is
me trying to get inside of Merrick Garland's head and
if he is truly undertaking what is an unprecedented, in
(30:19):
my opinion, unjustifiable expansion of political warfare that we've never
seen in two hundred plus years in this country. To
try to put your chief political adversary in prison, using
the Department of Justice and the FBI to do so,
of the sitting American president, he and his mind. Buck
as a lawyer has to convince himself that this is
(30:43):
a justified action, and that Trump's behavior is so egregious
it's worthy of doing so.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But he wouldn't have to think of this in terms
of trade offs. If no one's above the law, it
doesn't matter whether this is done to Hunter Biden or not.
If Trump broke the law, no one's above the law.
So I don't see it as as a It's not
a legal rationale. It's a political rationale masquerading as a
legal rationale. Okay, it's it's a great point. And here's
what I would say.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I know a lot of lawyers who care desperately what
other lawyers think about them. You know, you know how
a profession sometimes judges itself more aggressively than it does
like the general public. There are lots of lawyers, and
Merrick Garland as one, that want to be extremely esteemed
(31:34):
by other members of the bar. And I think in
his mind, again, this is me trying to get in
Merick Garland, the Attorney General's mind. If he just charges Trump,
it looks like he is just the hatchet man of
Joe Biden. And I can give he doesn't want that buck.
I think he wants this idea of I am he
(31:55):
wanted to be a Supreme Court jests.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Right, this is me inside his head telling you what
I think he's so. I have a very different view
of Merrick Garland, right, this is just based on his actions.
I think Merrick Garland is the guy who was willing
to go along with the parents at the teacher meetings,
at the school board meetings. Are domestic terrorists that need
to be investigated. I think Merrick Garland is a guy
(32:18):
who is deeply embittered to this day because of the
bet that really the Democrats gave to the Republicans, which is,
you know, or Mitch McConnell decided that he wasn't going
to get the upper down vote in the end of
the Obama administration, and they figured, oh, fine, Merrick Garland,
(32:39):
that was our moderate pick, which wasn't even true. Just
as an aside, but when we have President Hillary, we're
going to get a really great judge in there, and
he lost out, and I think he's bitter about that.
So I don't know that he's somebody who at this point,
I mean even people, I'll tell you this. Any McCarthy,
our friend who comes on, you'll know him. Fox News
Southern District prosecutor for decade's he was a Merrick Garland's
(33:02):
pretty I talked about this many years ago. He's like
a Merrick Garland's pretty close to being a moderate. If
we got Andy on now, based on what he's done
under the Biden administration, he'd say Merrick Garland is a hack.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Okay, that's you know, so I think things have changed
that take I get totally buck. And again, what I'm
thinking is Merrick Garland is what is he like sixty five?
That's my guess. Staff can let us know exactly how
old he is. My point on that is he's not
a young man who's got a long career. This is
probably the last job that he's ever going to have,
and so in his mind, and again this is me
(33:35):
trying to get in Merick Garland's mind. You guys out
there may think this is crazy. I'm just telling you.
Having spent time around older lawyers, they start to think
a great deal about their legacy. And the legacy is
often defined by the precedents that they set that future
attorney generals will look at, that future lawyers will study
in law school. Right, I think he is desperately concerned
(33:58):
about what his legacy he is. And if he just
he's gonna turn seventy one, he's even older than I
thought he's gonna be seventy one in November.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I also charging a charging the leading Republican presidential contender
who's a former president, and charging the sitting president's crackhead
son is not the same thing. It's not in the
same universe, even apart from even apart from the crimes,
even apart from everything else. So I don't understand this.
Doesn't the argument of like if he was sitting around
with the fancy lawyers in the smoke filled room and
(34:27):
he's like, see you guys, I'm so even handed. That
argument's preposterous. And I don't even think he really cares
it matters to him. And if he's seventy one and
this is the last job that he's ever gonna have,
if he's going to undertake a truly unprecedented act, I
think he wants the fig leaf of I applied justice evenly,
(34:47):
whether it was the president's son or it was the
president of the United States. I'm telling you that I think
this is gonna be his talking point. And if I'm
wrong and he's gonna be totally partisan, Like, I think
Trump's gonna get charged, but I think he wants that
fig leaf. I think that's also why they like the
fact that Mike Pence had classified docsbuck, because they're also
going to say, and we're not just charging Trump because
(35:09):
he's a Republican.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Mike Pence is a Republican running for president. He had
classified documents too, but he handled it the right way.
Double fig leafs.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I don't think they need fig leafs. I don't think
he cares. I don't understand. Let me hold hold on,
Oh wait, hold on, Hold on a second, Hold on
a second. So the Mike Pence thing and that Joe
Biden classified documents are effectively exactly the same. So no
person would look at what happened. They had some loose documents,
(35:40):
you know, around that were not secure. That's it classified.
Those charges, or rather those circumstances for charges, are for
all intents and purposes, exactly the same. So it is
impossible to even pretend that there's a rule of law
if you're going to charge Mike Pence and not charge
Joe Biden for it, not going to charge Trump for
(36:03):
the documents. As we all know, the belief is and
maybe they don't charge him at all. We don't know,
but people have people are thinking that it's gonna be charges,
and it's going to be around obstruction of the documents. Now,
assuming that that's true, they'll just say the obstruction is
the problem, not the rest of it. And I also
just think Clay, this has been building for a long time.
(36:24):
It's remarkable when you think about how many Republican politicians
have faced either investigation of a criminal nature or even
a prosecution that's completely outrageous and obviously partisan. Him and
you go down the lit Chris Christy, who's running member Bridgegate.
They got to lock him up. It's horrible what he
(36:45):
did with the with the traffic jam, Scott Walker, the
John Doe investigations, Rick Perry wanting to fire a prosecutor
who was drunk driving. It's felony, abuse of power. Bob
MacDonald and Virginia when he was the governor. The Supreme
Court had to say, you can't act. She just throws
someone in prison because he was hanging out with somebody
like that's not really a thing. Of course, Russia Trump
(37:06):
collusion and all that with the Special Council, they have
been building to this for over a decade and this
this is actually a perfect transition. What does Gavin Newsom's
fall back when he's getting into this public spat with
Ron DeSantis kidnapping charges. There have been a couple of flights,
a couple of flights of migrants that have ended up
(37:30):
in Sacramento, California, and the the governor of California has
said openly, Now, I mean, this is the feud that
is spilling out into you know, into into public view
for everybody. The headline here is Newsom threatens to Santis
with kidnapping charges over migrant flights to Sacramento, Clay. This
(37:51):
has become completely normalized for Democrats. Now instead of Newsom
saying my policies are better than yours, it's maybe we're
going to try to extradite the governor of Florida to CALIFORNI.
You're under kidnapping charges. Also, offering someone a free ride
is not kidnapping. This is you don't have to be
a lawyer to get this one. This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Well, this is a uh, this is a preview of
twenty twenty eight. Gavin Newsom is obsessed fatal attraction style
with Ron DeSantis, Like go look at Gavin Newsom's Twitter feed.
He is constantly responding to everything Ron de Santis does.
And maybe it's in the event that Biden doesn't run,
(38:31):
and in the event that something happens with Trump in charges,
and everybody expects that we're gonna get Trump Biden part two.
But Buck, in the event that we end up with
something different than that, I think a DeSantis versus Newsome
matchup is not out of the question. And and here,
Buck is a upper deck. Here is a called shot,
(38:52):
the likes of which you have not ever come.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Shot.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I'm going into this all right, I'm gonna tease this
if if I get this right, we got to think
about what sort of payoff this would be. This is
like hitting a parlay. For those of you who are gamblers,
this is like hitting a sixteen parlay. I have got
an incredible theory that I am going to share with
you surrounding these allegations and criminal investigations and everything else
(39:20):
on the next segment, and.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
We're gonna start We're gonna start clipping all of these moments,
and we're gonna start betting things. I don't know. Clay
has to do the show with a mustache for six
months instead of his beer PGA thing. I'm I'm just
saying it's a good day. But I didn't. I didn't
even that's you know, there's no opposition to that one,
even care less. I'm glad you nail that though you
(39:42):
did nail it. Although they're saying that Trump nail did Clay.
So let let's not for Trump. Is that great mind
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Speaker 2 (41:11):
Back in play Travis buck Sexton show. We're joined now.
Cool guest. He's in our New York City studio. You
can watch him I Believe on video if you are
one of our VIP subscribers. Coach Bill Courtney, who just
launched a new podcast on iHeart called an Army of
Normal Folks. He's also the subject and I love this movie.
(41:32):
Some of you may have seen it. Won an Oscar
in Documentary the documentary category called Undefeated.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Author of against the Grain.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And I want to start, Coach with the movie Undefeated
for those of you out there who are looking for
something that you might want to watch with your family.
If you haven't seen this, it's the story of Bill
and a inner city Memphis team and their quest to
try to win a state championship. And really, you seem
to agree to which And this is why I was
(42:01):
so fired up about COVID shutting down so many schools,
a huge percentage of boys, And I know a lot
of you out there listening know exactly what I'm talking about,
and I want you to explain it for people who may.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Not see it.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Coach, A huge percentage of boys out there, especially in
inner cities, stay in school so they can play sports.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I mean, that's just the truth. And you hope the
light bulb is going to go off at some point.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Basketball football, but whatever the sport is, Coach, what did
you see and how important when that movie Undefeated came out,
which won an Oscar and it's fabulous. I encourage you
guys all to watch it. How much does just playing
a sport help to keep so many kids out there
on the straight and narrow and even enrolled in school period.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Well, it's the hook. I mean, I can't tell you
how many people have come to me and said, you know,
I've tried to do this, I've tried to do that.
How do I reach this segment of people or this
segment of people and the answers. You got to have
a hook? And the hook for me was football. And
you're absolutely right. A lot of kids, obviously they have
(43:03):
it backwards. They're not in school to play football, they're
in school to learn. But the true candor is the
football is the hook, and that hook gives you an
opportunity to reach them on things that will hopefully last
long after football ends.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Coach Bill, it's buck, thanks for being with us. So
Clay has been it. Thank you, Thank you. Clay has
been educating me on this PGA Live merger. A lot
of big headlines all across the internet. Some people very
very fired up over this. What do you think? I mean,
you're a guy who knows sports, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (43:40):
You know?
Speaker 5 (43:42):
I think it's a pot purry of gravy and mashed
potatoes mixed up with egos that God only knows what
that's going to taste like when it's over with frankly.
I mean it's a lot of money, a lot of ego,
a lot of posturing, and you know, it's amazing. It's
(44:05):
almost like politics. How people can sit there and tell
one another how bad they don't like each other and
how much they distrust each other and how evil one
another are, and then somehow turn around and end up
in a in a bowl together. Yeah. I don't I
don't know. I think I think people should check their
(44:27):
egos at the door a little bit and avoid some
of what those guys are going through right now.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
And would you tell us what you launched a podcast
on iHeart last month, an army actually normal.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
Actually today guys today, I'm yeah, I've been working on
it for a year, actually doing interviews and all, but
the first launch today on iHeart and it's yeah, it's
an army of normal folks. And yeah, it kind of
sounds goofy, but that is in all of our urban areas.
(45:03):
We drive around the cities and there's these exits or
all ramps or viaducts where you really don't want your
car to break down or you have a flat tire,
and you kind of look over the edge of the
viaduct as you pass by and you think, man, somebody
ought to do something about that one day as you
kind of peer down at the despair and the disenfranchisement,
(45:26):
the poverty and the brokenness that continues to plague our
society and culture today, as if that sentiment matters. And
I don't think the sentiment means a damn thing. Frankly,
I think you got to tilt that rearview mirror about
thirty degrees and look yourself in the face and say,
you know, I ought to do something about that one day.
(45:50):
I think government has proven woefully inadequate in caring for
the most disadvantaged among us. I think it becomes paternalistic.
I think we strip people of the dignity and value
of hard work. And I think the more government, the worse.
And I think you can say that, but you're hypocritical
(46:11):
to say that if then you're not willing to get
off your butt and go do something in your communities
about things that that you can that you can do.
And so we've created this podcast called an Army of
Normal Folks, and we are interviewing I just don't think
the world's problems are going to be solved by fancy
(46:32):
people on Fox and CNN using big words that nobody understands.
I just I think I think we have a lot
of dysfunction in DC. And you know, we have sought
out average, normal folks who have done extraordinary things in
their communities. And we're telling those stories. And we're not
(46:55):
telling those stories in a hallmark way with a pretty
bow wrapped up on it. All of us have failures
and inhibitions and goals and dreams and sadness and excitement
our life, and so we kind of unpack each of
these individuals worlds where they came from and not why
they did something good, because they're so wonderful, but really
(47:18):
what they overcame to be active in their communities and societies.
And we tell those stories each week, and the idea
is hopefully it's not only redemptive, but inspirational, and it
motivates all of us to say, I don't care if
we're right, left, black, white, green, blue, Christian, Jewish, agnostic, whatever,
(47:39):
the one thing we all can do together is be
an army of normal folks serving those in our community.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Coach last question for you your story Undefeated, and I would
encourage people to check out the podcast at iheart's distributing
an army of normal folks. But you in the movie
Undefeated spent obviously a huge part of that story is
Memphis right What can you tell us about what's going
on in the ground in Memphis right now? This show
is number one, I believe in the Memphis area. Tons
(48:08):
of people are listening there right now. Memphis has had
a brutal past several years. Your story was before COVID,
several years before, but the struggles of the city has
been going through were certainly epitomized in that story.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
What is the city of Memphis like now?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
And what needs to happen in order for Memphis to
get back to being a place that frankly is safe
and that allows as many kids as possible to have
productive futures.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Memphis is a cool place. First of all. I don't
want to rail on Memphis. I mean lots of culture,
lots of history, music, barbecue, FedEx World headquarters, is there,
international paper, AutoZone. Memphis has a lot going forward, but
you're absolutely right, it has a lot going against it.
And candidly, guys, I would love to be able to
(48:59):
join and you all for two hours and talk every
political bit you guys can come up with, and I
do listen to you, and I you know, I love it.
But what I'm about to say is really not very sexy.
But it's just true. Until we start educating our children,
we are going to continue to have problems in our cities.
(49:22):
And education is really not a sexy buzzword. It's not
something that ever ticks in the top ten of politicians
worlds when they're out campaigning. But it's just true. And
the other truth to that is we all have a
problem with it. School Boards are typically elected, and so
(49:42):
we have a problem with our school boards. We have
a problem with our teachers and school unions. We have
a problem with our parents, We have a problem with
our administrators. We have a problem. And we sit there
and we see our city's tax bases dwindle because we
continue to graduate productive citizens that are adding to that
(50:03):
tax space, and we see crime being committed by younger
and younger and younger people that should be in high
school or haven't been in high school, aren't learning anything.
And we sit around and talk about what are we
going to do? And meanwhile, we all are complicit in
a really poorly educated public. And until we get serious
(50:28):
about taking care of our kids. We're going to continue
to perpetuate generational poverty and crime, and I think Memphis
is suffering from that. But I also think so do
many muchropolitan areas around our country, and it gets worse
and worse until we get serious about it. I fear
(50:52):
we're going to continue to suffer the consequences of that
inaction on our part.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Coach Bill, thanks so much for being here. The podcast
is out for everyone to check out. An Army of
Normal Folks launched on iHeart today. It's out. Go check
it out.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Thanks guys Undefeated check that out too, Buck, I think
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