Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Aug 18 2023

Candidates finding their voice. Pardon power. Debate fireworks? Sage Steele fights for freedom.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show. Buck Sexton is soon going to be headed
to Scotland. I think he's doing today's show in a
kilt in New York City as we all get ready
for that departure. Are you excited to get on the

(00:22):
plane ahead to Scotland.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I've promised Carrie that I'm not going to put on
a kilt the first day, but I make no promises
about the rest of my time there. I may ask
a lot of strangers where I can get the best hagis.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm excited. Have you ever had hagis before?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I've never been to Scotland, I've never had hagas. I've
really never even been to the UK before, which is
so this is real first time star. I made like
a stopover on the way to Eastern Europe when I
was like thirteen, and I was in London for basically
a day, but that doesn't really count it. I don't
even remember it. So I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I've seen heard so many times that I can basically
do any scene from the movie at this point, like
not even the famous ones, only like I could you
could tell me any part of it? I could jump
in and play both sides of it. Also, Clay, have
you and missus Travis watched Outlander together?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
No, I don't know anything about Outlander.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Outlander is gonna if you try it, it will suck
you in. The Guys like it, the ladies like it.
It's a very wide especially the first couple of seasons,
very carry and I are into it right now, very
watchable show.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
So you will be posting you're gonna love the castles?
Will you be posting photos and things on Instagram for
people who are left state side during this trip? Or
is this a no social media and I endever, I'll
take photos. I usually like to do all the posting
when I come back. It was really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I so appreciate everybody who was saying nice things about
me getting married this past week. But it's just because
we finally got the photos, you know, from the photographer.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So people were like, you got married.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I'm like, actually seven months ago, eight months ago, but
you know, we just hadn't really gotten around to posting
the the That's the thing everyone, The photos you take
with your.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Own phones, These days.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Those are always the ones that end up getting shared
about the event right away. You know, professional photos, they
got to retouch them andever it takes longer, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
So Bucks with us here for the first half the
show that he's heading legitimately to scott Scotland, which should
be pretty awesome. All right, We got a ton of
stories that are out there. First, I saw Trump yesterday, Buck,
he was in Nashville doing a fundraiser Kid Rock, and
was he like Clay.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I hear some of the ladies think you're very hot,
but probably not as hot as me.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Let's be honest, because the hottest kid Rock and John
Rich brought him out very Nashville flavor. And so I
got to talk to Trump for a little bit, and
he now is making the argument. As we get ready
for the for the official launch, I would say, I

(03:01):
think the first debate is really in many ways the
official launch. I think we have audio of Trump making
the argument that everybody else should drop out as he
now has opened this forty point lead. So I want
to get your take on this. Buck. Also, we need
to talk about Ron DeSantis' debate strategy getting leaked. We
got the fallout continuing in Maui, which is which is awful?

(03:25):
And Bill Barr and Brian Kemp and Vivek Ramaswami rising
a bunch of different levels to dive into. But let's
start here Trump now. Yesterday, I believe Buck made the argument, Hey,
I've opened up such a big lead, it's time for
everybody to come together. Listen to that.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Great Paul's just out leading by forty fifty at even
sixty points.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Who expected that?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
I did? Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, all very strong,
but also leading Biden very big. The sanctimonious is crashing.
Perhaps the party should come together. People should drop out
of the race. We unify, and we beat Biden and
the Democrats. They should be easy to beat because our

(04:11):
country has never been in worse condition than it is
right now.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Thank you? Okay, so correct. I want to get into
this right now. We got more they said this. Yeah,
let me say this too. Trump talked for an hour
and fifteen minutes at his at his fundraiser, not public,
So I'm not gonna say the things that he talked about,
but I will in generality say this, Buck almost nothing
about DeSantis or attacking any other Republican. He went almost

(04:39):
full bore for an hour and fifteen minutes on how
awful Joe Biden was. So I think on some level,
Trump has opened up such a lead that he's just
decided we're into the general election now, and he's almost
shifted his attention in many ways. He took a little
shot at DeSantis there, but not showing up for the
Republican debate and basically going after Biden feels like he

(05:02):
feels like he's got this race one and now it's
time to start the attack on Biden.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, you know, there's acting like you've been in the
end zone before, and then there's having been in the
end zone before.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
This guy was president, right, so he's been to the
big dance. He understands the dynamics involved. He's been through
a successful campaign and an unsuccessful campaign. I think there's
a learning process that comes from that too. And I
know people can say, oh, what's on is irrespective of
what everyone thinks, Joe Biden managed to become the president.

(05:33):
So there were lessons learned in that process. Lessons learned
about ballot measures and security and turnout and a whole
bunch of things on these should the other candidates drop out?
Components of this. Uh look, one thing that I'm curious about.
First off, the bat is all of a sudden, everyone selling.
They're all telling Rond de Santis to drop out. Why

(05:55):
isn't Viveke being asked to drop out? I mean, I look,
Viveke would say that he has no I'm sure if
we had them all and he'd say, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
But that strikes me. It's a bit strange. You know.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's everyone needs to drop out, and by everyone we
mean Ron DeSantis. Yeah, well okay, I mean you could
make an argument the first people who should drop out
are actually the ones who are getting two, three, maybe
five percent in some of the polls because they have
no chance of really winning, but they're not a top
tier candidate. Now, they would argue, I'm sure, well, look

(06:25):
at you know, look at Howard Dean, and look at
where Rudy Giuliani was in two thousand and eight and
all this stuff. So, you know, I think that there's
that component of it where people have a fair questions
to ask.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Here.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I think that a primary process can be people are
of two minds about this. Let me ask you this
before there's a whole another thing I want to ask
about the ballots, the state ballots, and a theory that
could be a real problem for Trump down the line
that people have brought up. We'll get to that in
a second. A legal problem. I mean, but there's the
argument that a primary is a gauntlet that strengthens the

(07:03):
eventual winner, and the argument that actually, you just spend
a lot of money, time and effort trying to become
the guy or the gal. What do you Which side
of that do you come down on for this, because
I hear it both ways, and I think both sides
at least have an argument to make.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
So I think a lot of being a candidate is
about figuring out how to find your voice. And I
don't think that Trump needs to figure out how to
find his voice. For better or worse, people know what
Trump's voice is. I do think there's an interesting question.
The Wall Street Journal had an argument that people need

(07:38):
to drop out this morning as well, Buck, but it
was an argument from a different perspective than Trump. Their
argument was people need to drop out so that we
can have a legitimate race. One v one Mono Amano.
Whoever's left with Trump I do think it's it's worth
asking to everybody out there, Vivek has made a move.

(08:00):
I think the Veke has been the biggest winner of
the campaign. Let's say, from May on. Let's leave aside
Trump because he's obviously been in the lead the whole time.
Of the non Trump candidates, the Veke is the only
one who's really made a move. Now. Chris Christy appears
to have made a little bit of a move in
New Hampshire if you look at some of that polling.

(08:20):
DeSantis has at best stayed the same, come back a
little bit, but he's still the number two.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
He lost ground. I mean DeSantis was within striking distance
of the lead in what January of this year at
the beginning. Yeah, so he's lost ground. That's what I
think has been surprising to the DeSantis camp. And that's
also why you're seeing these stories planted in the media
because some of the people on that camp. First of all,
a lot of people have been fired. There are egos

(08:45):
involved here. People that work on campaigns want to work
on other campaigns, so you know, you start to see
the when people are jockeying to control the narrative in
a campaign. At this stage, it means there's been some problems.
So here's my first thing.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
I agree with Trump, i'll partly, and I also agree
with the Washington the Wall Street Journal partly. I think
if you were not on the stage for the first
Republican debate, in other words, you weren't able to get
the forty thousand donors or the one or two percent
of the overall polling numbers, you should drop out because

(09:20):
you have absolutely no chance. Now. Also, if you're not
on the stage, Buck, what's the total percentage that the
non people on the stage right now have in overall
support three four percent total. They're almost non entities already.
But I do think you should go ahead and clear
that deck. And then if you do not make a

(09:40):
big move after this Republican debate on Wednesday, so we're
talking two three weeks after the debate, you get to
talk to twenty million people or however many people are watching,
and you don't then move at all, I think that
you should start to drop out. I think there should be,
in my opinion, if I were waiving the magic wand,
there should be four or five people, all of whom

(10:01):
believe they have legitimate candidacies that are running in Iowa
and New Hampshire at the top of the line. Now,
the problem you run into, and you've talked about this
a lot on the show, what do you lose by
running for presidents and not winning. This is where we
go to our recurring theme on the show, which is
that you want to find the result. Look at the incentives.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And the incentives for prosecutors in New York and Atlanta,
for example, is throw everything you got at Trump. Doesn't
matter how crazy it is. It's good for you the prosecutor.
Bad for the country, but good for the prosecutor. The
incentives for almost everybody. I mean, you know, people are saying, oh,
you could damage yourself for the future. For I will

(10:42):
say this. I think Glenn Youngkin was considering it, and
I think he realized he's kind of like the guy
who's like, yeah, I'm gonna get in the middle of
the bar fight, and then he's seen a few people
lose some teeth and he's like, you know what, I'm
going to wait till the next bar fight, like this
one looks a little rough. So I think he's getting ready.
This is just my personal feeling and for the next election,
and he knows that being a popular governor of Virginia.

(11:04):
You know, Virginia has often been a at least people
thought it would be a platform for national office. You know,
we've had a number of people that have come out
of there that think that they will have that that
kind of a run, including Bob McDonald. It's funny actually,
as we know, who's then taken out by a prosecution,
which we all should keep in mind. So Clay, I

(11:26):
think it's very unlikely you're going to see these other
people drop out. And you know what, really to the
point about incentives, the downside is that you're going to
be trusting the narrative to somebody who has beaten you
up up to this point. You're going to have raised
a lot of money from donors and not spend it
on your actual campaign, and you don't get all that exposure.

(11:49):
I mean, look, you know it's funny because vivegu doesn't
really care about well not really about money anymore. Right,
So getting a million dollar you know, if you get
a million dollar book advance these days, that's like, you know,
that's a it's a lot of money for anybody, but
these things are more rare that that for Vivek is
like couch cushions money. He doesn't really care. So for him,
I think the being in the center of the storm,

(12:12):
so to speak, is a big part of the appeal.
I think Desanti still just believes that he would be very,
very effective in the role, and certainly the record in
Florida supports that he'd be effective. I think he'd be
effective at any role. I think he'd want him, you know.
I think he'd be a good president. I think he'd
be a great guy to coach your son's little league team.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Like.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I just think he has a mind for management. And
then of course there's the one man political phenomenon of
Donald Trump, who's up forty points, and you know, man,
I I try not to get caught up in thinking
about all these prosecutions and just getting so down about it,
And the more I've thought about it recently, I just

(12:51):
think he's going to find a way through it. I
don't know how, because it looks like it's impossible, but
he will find some means of Look what he's up
to this point, it's so almost superhuman. I mean I
think other people would have just said, you know what,
I'm going to go play golf.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'm done well. I was talking to people at the
fundraiser yesterday and I just said, how many seventy seven
year olds in America could do this? And I'm just
talking about take away everything. Like he flew in there.
I don't know. There's five hundred people, four hundred people
whatever it is at the fundraiser in Nashville. He shake

(13:29):
hands with all of them, he poses, he glad hands.
He then talks for an hour and fifteen minutes, hops
back on a plane. I mean the amount of energy.
I mean, just and he had. I will say this.
He had a funny bit of his of his stump
speech for the donors where he was talking about Biden
and he's like, you know, he's standing up on the
stage and he says, you would think that Joe Biden

(13:52):
at least would be able to get off the stage.
There's only two directions to go, and one of them
doesn't have stairs. You know, talking about how out of
sorts item is. But to your point, I was talking
at how many people could even do this, and then
you add in all the other challenges and all the
other legal it's wild. It's just wild to think about

(14:13):
where we are as a country right now, we'll get
in some more of that. Also, what do you think
about this? I mean, let's put it out there to
our people.

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Speaker 1 (15:38):
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Play.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
We've been talking about pardon power recently, and there's the
discussion as to whether Hunter Biden would get pardoned by
Joe Biden, especially given that Joe has an alias that
he was using allegedly according to the House of Representatives

(16:12):
the Oversight Committee led by Comer. That's an interesting moment
in time. Can Trump pardon himself not just from federal
but also from possible state crimes which candidates would offer
to pardon. We know that Viveig, for example, has already
said that he would he would pardon Donald Trump. Ron

(16:34):
de Santis has intimated that he is I think likely
to because he said it is an injustice what is
going on, But he's not as forceful on it as Vivaque.
If memory serves memorably, on this show, Mike Pence is
not offering to pardon Donald Trump, and I.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Kind of get the sense.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I kind of get the sense that he thinks he
should go to prison the more the more I hear
him talk about it, which to me is, you know,
you got to put the country the country first, and
to lock up to advocate for locking up Trump and
to call yourself a Republican is I think crazy? But
you know, Vivek again, we talked about a lot last hour.

(17:17):
I just want to point out here he is. He
is saying that there are a lot of people that
he would part if he became president.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I just want everyone to hear this list.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
The prosecution obviously makes the most aggressive statement of its
case in the indictment, and assuming that's the case here
as it is in any other case, I will absolutely
pardon Trump on day one January twentieth, twenty twenty five,
when I'm in office, I expect to maybe making tens
of pardons on day one. I think there are countless

(17:49):
Americans who have been the victims of politically motivated persecutions
through prosecution peaceful protesters on January sixth. January sixth, defendants
who actually have had tuitional due process violations. Julian Asalan
is someone I've specifically identified as somebody I would absolutely pardon,
Ross Olbrich, Douglas Mackie, others.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
So he's naming a number of number of people. They're interesting,
you know.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
He has a he has a lot of friends in
tech and Silicon Valley and some of the people he's
talked about there have been involved in global Internet issues. Uh,
the Ross Olbricht, I think the dread Scott Pirate, right,
that was his name on I don't even know who
that is. Oh yeah, he was the Silk Road guy.
And am I right? I'm going off memory. You guys

(18:34):
know what I'm talking about. See Ran silk Road are
dred Scott Roberts or dred Scott's dread pirate, dread pirate,
I forget his name. He had some online name. Help
me out here. Everyone's looking me like I'm crazy. All right,
I'm going off of memory.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean you you, You and the super Tech
Burros are on that one. I don't know, but I
do think that this is an example, when we had
this antis on right after reas, can I just say yes,
everything everything I said just now is is actually I
should I didn't doubt myself. Yes, he is the Silk
Road guy. Uh, YadA, YadA, he's he's the guy. Go ahead,
what is silk Road? Because I've been a huge and

(19:07):
that's the online Yeah, online, dark web, dark web marketplace.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Okay, so he was he was running this and he
got I think he's got life. Uh so you know
there's a whole and then there's the Julia Assange conversation
as well. So he's going at dread pirate Roberts. I
nailed a team.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
I nailed it. The buck needs to bet on himself.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't know why. I'm like, I don't know. This
was off the top of my head. I hadn't googled
this or anything beforehand. So but he's talking about all
these guys. Here's what I want to bring this up quick.
It's interesting, isn't that The power to pardon is something
that you know, the Founding Fathers were very clear to
include very you know, very explicit powers that exist. And

(19:52):
you look at the tensions in this country politically right now,
and you look at the way there has been the
weaponization of the Justice department itself.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Maybe it's easier for some people.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
You look back at different times in you know, English
or British history, and there's an understanding that sometimes the
system itself is a weapon against those who are a
political challenge. And so our founders recognize to kind of
cool everything down, you need to have something where it's
possible for people to say we're just gonna we're just

(20:24):
going to move forward and we're not going to continue
with this. And I think that this is central right
now to the and Vivek was talking about this allowing
the country to heal, to stop all of this nonsense,
to wipe the away. But to that end, you know
you brought this up. Would would Joe Biden, for example,

(20:45):
pardon pardon Trump? Is there a future in which either
Trump or Vivic would say, obviously pardoning myself or all
Trump related issues, and to move the country forward, pardon
the Biden related issues as well if they win.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Not in advance of that, I think they should. And
I would encourage Vivaike or Trump or Ron DeSantis or
anybody else out there to start saying that. And I
said it on this show a couple of weeks ago, Buck,
I said to me, the only way, for instance, that
Joe Biden could politically end up running for re election

(21:22):
after pardoning his son would also be if he pardoned Trump. Now,
he also could still get another bite at that apple.
Joe Biden could buck because the state charges. Although we've
had a debate about whether the president could potentially pardon
himself on state charges as well, it has to do
with presidential powers and all sorts of supremacy clause issues
and everything else. Biden could get a bite at that apple,

(21:45):
Buck because he could pardon him Trump on federal charges
and still know the state charges were pending, and then
claim rightly that he was not involved in those. That
to me, is what a president would do if he
or she truly cared about trying to stand on principle
and bring the country together, which is the justification Gerald

(22:08):
Ford used when he pardoned Richard Nixon back in nineteen
seventy six or whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
That's exactly right, and that's really what I'm what I
think we're starting to see as a as a necessary
step forward here and understanding how this all comes together.
George Washington used the power of pardon as president for
the Whiskey rebellion, so an actual rebellion, right, an actual
insurrection of sorts, use the pardon power for those individuals

(22:37):
who for some of the individuals who were engaged in that,
to give them amnesty to move the country forward. So
it is interesting at some level. I think that there's
I don't want to say optimism, because we're just at
the beginning of all of this, but the founding fathers,
what they said, what they said in motion was pretty
damn smart. And you can see how this of ability

(23:00):
to heal the nation that is written into the Constitution
through the power of pardon. I think we think of
a lot now as oh, it's something you do at
the end for some people maybe that are connected, or
maybe that you think got a rough sentence or something
it's on the way out. It's actually really important. It's
a really important political mechanism for bringing the country together.

(23:20):
I mean, Washington himself recognized that.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
No, and Buck building on the history here, think about
how Lincoln was going to respond to the Civil War
when it ended. Think about how for those of you
who have studied history, think about how Grant responded when
Lee surrendered to him, and there were criticisms then that

(23:44):
Grant had been far too conciliatory in what he allowed
the Confederate soldiers to keep, I think a weapon, if
I remember correctly, their horses. They fed them almost immediately
because the Confederate Army had virtually no rations, so they
put they didn't just lay down arms. Remember if you
study when the when the Confederate Army turned their muskets

(24:07):
over Joshua Warrence Chamberlain had all of the Union soldiers
standing there salute the Confederate Army as they walked by,
honoring them at a time, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
One of the more powerful, Yeah, one of the more
powerful moments in Band of Brothers, one of the you know,
I mean, there's a lot of very powerful moments and
Band Brothers, to be clear, but one of the more memorable,
I should say, is you recall he wasn't s s,
but it was the German. Uh, the German essentially general
of an area, was allowed to once they had surrendered

(24:38):
and once the war was over, address his soldiers with
some dignity. Now you could say, oh my gosh, you
know they had been in World War two and all
the atrocities. Yes, but they were trying to pacify that
it was actually an Austria, I believe is where this
part of them and the idea was, do we want
to keep fighting in you know, because because Hitler had
a whole plan for an you know, in urgency to

(25:00):
continue and go to the mountains of Bavaria and the
whole thing. Do we want this to stop and everyone
gets to live in a more peaceful future and stop
shooting each other or not, And that was some of
these concessions. Some of these concessions were made. Mercy is
a part of justice is really the fundamental principle.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
And if you study appomatics, and I'm a nerd, I
have There was an argument made to Lee generally by
some of his soldiers, Yes, we're in dire straits. Now
disband the army, but let's continue guerrilla combat until the
South can end up with its own independence. Like in

(25:39):
other words, the tens of thousands of men that are
currently in the Army of Northern Virginia, just have them
sneak out and then we'll have all of these different
rebel bands that are able to arise and attack and
will never allow the South to be conquered because we'll
basically have perpetual war and aggression at least that he
wouldn't do that. And so the way that that response is,

(26:02):
this is what I'm hitting at. If Joe Biden actually
was the person that he claimed that he was a unifier,
like what his whole campaign was, Yes, if he were that,
then that would be a strong argument to make. I
would also say this Buck. This is why I was
so fired up about Pence, because Pence his entire campaign
for people who remember when I asked him about the

(26:24):
pardon thing. I think it's important to stand on principle
over politics. And that's not just a phrase. If you
and I would say the same thing to Joe Biden,
to Mike Pence, to everybody else. What is happening to
Donald Trump is wrong and it should be considered wrong,
whether you're a Democrat, whether you're a Republican, or whether
you're an independent, and I would encourage And this is

(26:45):
when we had DeSantis on I made the argument at
the time. I think DeSantis should have come out aggressively
immediately and said, yes, I'm going to pardon Trump because
it's it's wrong. And I think you could make the
same argument on Hunter Biden, because then it gets harder
to attack the Trump thing and just say, look, I
don't think that we should try to put people in
prison who are involved in politics. As a principle, one

(27:09):
opposition party shouldn't be trying to do it to the other.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
When you look at the history of this country of
the usage of the pardon power, it has been deployed
in order to try to heal the nation in some
way and move it forward, not based on this person
was innocent or didn't do bad things, or you know whatever.
Some of the did terrible things, but it's there is

(27:34):
something more here than retributive justice in this case, there
can be something bigger. I mean you think even of
the pardon of the head of the con I mean
there was the pardon of the head of Confederacy by
President Johnson, right, yeah, which was, you know, people, very
controversial and unconditional and without reservation, full pardon, an amnesty

(27:54):
for treason against the United States, the Whiskey Rebellion, George
Washington for insurrection against the United States.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
So for all these people who were saying, oh, you know,
it's this is what needs to happen, and it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
And and uh, you know, the country's gonna come apart
at the seams. There is this mechanism here for trying
to move forward. But the question is who's going to
have that power and who's willing to use it? And
what would Donald Trump if he wins?

Speaker 1 (28:22):
What whose statesman like enough to that's right? That's the challenge.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Who would who would step up to move the country
forward in that way? Now I think a lot of
people right now thinking this is even crazy talk. We
got to get in there and we have to we
have to win. That's that's step one. But what does
it look like afterwards? So I view it as there's
the founders were really smart. They thought this stuff through,
they understood history, and you know, I don't think national

(28:48):
divorce is an inevitability here. You know, if Trump wins,
there are other options.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
We'll get you being super optimistic, and I, because I'm
going on vacation, I'm in a good route today, I
would say this. Think about it two different perspectivectives. There's
the eye for an eye retributive justice, which is, Okay,
they're trying to put us in prison, We're going to
try to put them in prison. I think that threat
is necessary but there's also a redemptive instead of retributive justice,

(29:16):
there is a redemptive aspect of this, which is we're
going to be equal parts forgiving. And that's why I said, like,
if Joe Biden was who he claimed to be, he
would pardon Trump, and he would pardon his own son,
and he would say, this is nasty, this is toxic,
It's time to turn the page. Let's argue about ideas.
He's not that person. If he were, that's what he
would do. But I think it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I know, for and right now, the posture from Trump
has to be scorched earth, all out anything to beat them,
and I think that that's the correct posture in his mindset.
But remember all the locker up chants, all the locker
up chants. What happened when Trump won that incredible twenty
sixteen victory. He put the best interest of the country forward. Now,

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Speaker 1 (31:12):
One truth revealed after another Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
buck off to Scotland with a quick stop with Greg
Guttfeld in the meantime, should be a really cool trip.
I'm jealous of the fun that he is going to

(31:35):
have there. We'll be with you all next week. And
as we were just talking with Buck, breaking news here
and I put up a poll question because I'm curious
how you guys would respond to this. Donald Trump, according
to The New York Times, has made the decision to
skip the first Republican debate that is in Milwaukee on

(31:55):
Wednesday of next week, and instead, according to the Times,
is going to do an interview with Tucker Carlson that
airs at the same time. In theory that interview would
air on on I guess Twitter through Tucker Carlson's Twitter platform.
There you can go vote in the poll because I'm
curious to see what you guys would say. Hundreds of

(32:18):
you voting right now at Clay Travis. You can find
me on Twitter right now with one thousand votes in
fifty four percent say it's a good move, forty six
percent say it's a bad move. We'll see how those
numbers move. Eight hundred two eight two two eight a two.
You guys can react to that news as well on

(32:38):
the on the phone lines now. The other aspect of
this as we get ready for the official first primary
in I guess it's caucus in Iowa in January. The
first debate really is massive because you and me and
everybody out there who's listening, We've had every single Republican

(32:58):
candidate major at least least on this program. You've had
an opportunity to listen to them talk with all of you.
But how are these guys going to appeal to a
lot of people who are just casually paying attention? Now,
this will detract. I would think Trump doing a sit
down interview with Tucker Carlson with the audience that would

(33:19):
be watching the debate on Fox News somewhat still, I
would think there will be twenty million people who will
sit down, turn on the television, turn on the television,
and watch that debate take place. And we were talking
about the fact that Ron DeSantis' debate prep has leaked.

(33:40):
But I think based on how that first debate goes,
you're going to be able to say there's only four
or five legitimate candidates right now. Everybody else is done.
And I would say, right now, if I were power
ranking the candidates, I would say that there is a
clear number one, he's Donald Trump. He believes he's done

(34:01):
so much and done enough to get your vote that
he's not even going to show up for the Republican
debate in August, to slap in the face in many
ways to the RNC, certainly a direct slap in the
face to Fox News. If Trump doesn't show up at all,
he thinks he's done enough, he thinks he's going to
be the nominee. He's already focused on the general. Trump
is clearly number one right now as you would assess

(34:23):
the power rankings. Number two I would still say is
run DeSantis. But I would say that Vivik Ramaswami is
far closer to DeSantis now at two than anybody is
to Trump at one. In other words, if this were
the horse race metaphor, Trump is far out into the distance.
He's created space for himself the likes of which nobody really,

(34:46):
I think, would have expected. I told this Trump to
Trump yesterday when I saw him here in Nashville, said,
I gotta be honest with you. If you had told
me in January that you were going to have opened
up a forty point lead on the rest of the poll,
I would have said, there's no way that would have happened.
So I mean I said it to Trump myself yesterday.

(35:07):
I never thought that he would open up this big
of a lead. But he has forty point lead, thirty
point lead, whatever you want to say. Trump is far
out ahead, so far out ahead that he doesn't even
think he really needs I told you that in his
address yesterday. He talked for over an hour at the
Nashville event that I attended. He barely mentioned any of
the other Republican candidates. Almost his entire speech was focused

(35:30):
on how bad of a job Joe Biden has done.
Trump is starting to pivot towards the general election already
because he believes he's going to be the nominee. So
it's Trump second place. I would still say DeSantis, but
Viveke Rama Swami has edged up. And if you question that,
you can look at the advice that DeSantis's team published

(35:51):
that everybody was reading. That was a lead story yesterday
where they said, hey, you need to attack Viveke Rama
Swami because the debate now is going to be an
audition for number two, which I will get to in
a moment. So you got the vag Ramaswami I think
is clearly in the third spot. In the fourth spot,

(36:12):
I would say probably, depending on how you want to
assess Iowa and how you want to assess New Hampshire,
I think you'd probably say Tim Scott and he's about
to spend a lot of money. He has big dollars
behind him. And then in the five spot, I would
say Chris Christy. I think everybody else is done, and
you could say, well, Chris Christy has no chance. Chris

(36:33):
Christy is number two in some of the New Hampshire polling.
I think there are five guys and they're all guys.
I think everybody else is done. I think Mike Pence
is done. I think Nikki Hayley is done. I think
that Doug Bergram, however you pronounce his name, I think
he never had a chance. And Larry Elder and Will
Hurd and all these other guys out there that are

(36:55):
running that most of you have never heard of. I
think all those guys are finished, the five contenders right now.
And if you listen to what Trump's saying, he's saying
everybody else should drop out. The Wall Street Journal interesting editorial.
They're saying, actually, we need limited number of candidates going forward.
Because there's too much distraction. I think there are five guys,

(37:16):
five guys that still have a chance, a lot of
them very small chance. Trump's a prohibitive favorite at this point.
There's five guys that still have a chance. I would
suggest to you that unless something crazy happens, what comes
out of Wednesday's debate is going to be those five
guys have a chance. Everybody else is done as we
get ready for the September debate, and I think based

(37:37):
on the precedent that is now out there, Trump is
making the decision to say I am not going to
debate at all because I don't need to. Everybody knows me.
I'm the choice. And the question that is out there
that you guys are going to have to decide is
you will watch the debate on Wednesday. Most of you
have opinions pro or con of Trump already, and there

(37:58):
will be I think four guys on that debate stage
that stand out. I think it will be Ron DeSantis.
I think it will be the veg g Ramaswami. I
think it will be Tim Scott, and I think it'll
be Chris Christy and that's it. I think you're gonna
look at everybody else and be like yeah, thanks, no thanks.
So the question becomes how quickly does everybody else come

(38:22):
to this same conclusion that I'm coming to. And by
the way, eight hundred and eight two two eight eight two,
you may look at me and say, Clay, your power five,
your ranking of the Republican candidates is totally wrong. Somebody
else out there has a chance. I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen anybody else outside of those five do
anything to elevate elevate themselves into the first tiers. You

(38:45):
remember when they had the AD team debate and the
B team debate on Fox News back in twenty fifteen,
and they had so many people running that they had
the second tier contenders and they had their own like debate.
I went to a seventh grade football game last night.
My seventh grader started to play. It's basically JV. It's

(39:08):
only seventh graders. Then they have the eighth grade, then
they got the JV, then they got the actual varsity.
I feel like we've got the varsity squad. The varsity
squad is the five I just mentioned. Now, I'm not
saying that all of those guys are going to have
a shot to win meaning I don't think Chris Christy
is suddenly going to surge up. But I do think

(39:28):
fifteen percent or twenty percent of people might be willing
to support Chris Christy, and I think he could make
a real run in New Hampshire in the northeast, where
the Republican Party has a different vibe than it does
in South Carolina, let's say, than it does in Iowa.
It's a different kind of electorate. It's only five guys.
Trump is saying, I'm the King, I'm the guy. I

(39:50):
don't even need to worry about these other four guys.
They are running to be my VP basically, and they
can audition and they can fight. Now the question that's
going to emerge, I really believe Ron DeSantis doesn't want
to be Trump's VP, and given the complexities of them
both being from the state of Florida, I think DeSantis
is the one guy you can say there's no chance

(40:11):
he's going to be Trump's VP. I don't think the
math on it works. I don't think he wants it.
Chris Christy clearly doesn't want it. He hates Trump. He's
running basically to attack Trump. That would suggest that Vivey
Ramaswami and Tim Scott are actually the two contenders in
the Republican debates and in the overall race that are

(40:35):
angling for each other. So here's an early preview for you.
Sometimes you can tell what the candidates think of their
positioning not by what they say about others, but by
how they go after each other. Desantas sees Vivek as
a threat. That's who he's going to attack because he's
trying to preserve his number two spot. Vivek, I think,

(40:59):
sees both this Scantists, but more primarily Tim Scott as
his debate because I think in the back of his mind,
Veke is contemplating, Hey, I could be VP. Who's my
top opposition of the candidates to be Trump's VP. I
think it's Tim Scott. So I bet there'll be some
fireworks potentially between Viveake and Tim Scott on that debate stage.

(41:24):
And then Chris Christie's just going to be running around
trying to mow people down like crazy, but in particular,
his primary point of attack is going to be going
after Donald Trump. That's my preview by the way of
where we are heading. And let me just say this,
I do think you need to contemplate and think about it.

(41:47):
You may have a strong opinion of many of these candidates.
Right now, you're listening to this show, you're plugged in politically.
A lot of people aren't paying attention. Your neighbor has
probably been way more focused on trying to make sure
their kidsids are ready to start school and not paying
attention to the nitty gritty of the Republican debate five
months before anybody's going to be able to vote in

(42:08):
the primary. So my bet is that the theke is
going to emerge from this Republican debate. A ton of
people are going to be like, I've never heard of
this dude before. I think he's going to really surge.
And I think then you're going to have a real battle,
because remember you want to be the alternative to Trump.
Everybody's really fighting for the number two spot right now

(42:31):
in this race. I think what we're going to see
is those five guys are going to emerge Trump who's
not going to be there the other four that I
just laid out, DeSantis, Vivek, Scott, and Christy And that's it.
And really, if the RNC was doing its job, it
would say, Okay, we're down to five. Set the categories

(42:51):
so we don't have this huge mass of candidates. If
you can't get the number of donors, you're not a
viable candidate. I understand why you want to run. It
makes you money. You can sell more books, something that
I certainly know about. I'm on the book selling tour
right now. But these guys, a lot of them, and
these girls don't really have a chance to actually end

(43:12):
up as the nominee. And once you know that you're
not going to be the nominee, there should be a
mechanism by which you get forced off the stage. By
the way, I was just texting during the commercial break.
Sage Steele is scheduled now to join us at the
top of the next hour. She just left ESPN settled
a lawsuit they suspended her for saying the COVID shot

(43:33):
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to get. They wouldn't let her speak her mind. She's
going to speak her mind some with us in the
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(45:05):
be breaking down everything for you next week, and then Buck,
we'll be back the week after. Appreciate all of you
hanging out with us news that is out there. According
to the New York Times, Donald Trump has chosen not
to engage in the debate on Wednesday in Milwaukee. That
will be airing on Fox News instead. Again, this is

(45:26):
according to the Times, Trump will do a live interview,
which I presume would air on Twitter in probably other
places as well, with Tucker Carlson. We bring in now
my friend Sage Steele, who has recently left ESPN. We
got a bunch to dive into with her. But save
let's start there with the idea that Trump. I'm sure

(45:49):
you've probably seen that news that Trump might skip the
debate and instead do an interview with Tucker Carlson at
the same time. How does that strike you? What do
you think of that?

Speaker 5 (46:01):
I mean, it's just exactly what we should have expected
the whole time, right, especially for it to air at
the exact same time. I mean, listen, I think for
those of us who follow politics, it would have been haaspening,
would have been great TV for him to join. But
I mean, strategically, it's probably really smart and oh, by
the way, it's August of twenty three. He's got time

(46:23):
for that. It just made me smile when I heard
you sharing the news just there, because it's exactly what
we should have expected.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
All Right, Let's I bet a lot of our audience
will know who you are. Certainly we've been friends for
a long time. But I want for people because this
is obviously a different audience than just a traditional sports audience. Yeah,
you have been with ESPN for how long? What is
your background? How would you describe yourself to Let's be
at a little bit bruggadocious here, the biggest audience in

(46:54):
all of radio that might not all know you already, Sage,
Who are you and and what's your background?

Speaker 5 (47:02):
My favorite thing about you is your humility. I started
EDDIESCN in February of two thousand and seven. My kids
were eleven months all at the time, eleven months, two
and four, and now they're seventeen, nineteen, and twenty one,
and the older two just got back to college at

(47:22):
High Point University in North Carolina for their sophomore and
junior years. And my youngest is about the senior in
high school, and she's celebrating because get the house to herself,
no arguments about the car with their siblings. And you
know what, my kids, my parents, my family. That's what
I'm all about. That is what has always driven me,
especially over the last couple of years when things have

(47:45):
kind of gone in directions that I never could have
dreamt of. But I mean the background background, and I'll
just be quick is yeah, I'm a proud Army brat.
My dad is a retired Army colonel. He just turned
seventy seven years old. And the reason I love sports
and had this crazy dream of being a sportscaster back

(48:06):
in the eighties. I mean, I'm fifty, so back in
the eighties when women weren't doing this. It's because my
dad and his athleticism and his history. That's what drove
me out of a daddy's girl. Still am, and I
bragg about my dad because he won't. But he broke
the color barrier at West Point, the first black man

(48:26):
to ever play varsity football there, and he was an
All American tight end way back then at six six
and a half in the sixties. He was massive, and
he was principled and he is an incredible man and
my hero, and he and the principles that he instilled
in me and my brothers. That's what drives me, and
that's what really keeps me strong, even with things that

(48:47):
I never thought i'd ever be talking about or doing.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
That is a fantastic story about your dad. I know,
we have a lot of West Point grads and also
people who were certainly in the armed forces today that
are listening to and that is a fabulous story. Okay,
so you started at ESPN in February of two thousand
and seven. It doesn't feel like that long ago, but
I'm curious what you saw in terms of the trajectory

(49:14):
of ESPN, which I think it's fair to say back
in February of two thousand and seven, I'll be honest.
I mean I would have said, Hey, that's just a
sports network. You go there to find out who won
a game. You go there to find out who got traded,
who's signing as a free agent. You put on Sports Center,
you kick back, and you have a beer and you
enjoy whatever the nightly news was associated with sports. I

(49:35):
bet that's probably what you found it to be. Like
in February of two thousand and seven, you just left
ESPN and announced you were leaving this week. How did
things change from February of two thousand and seven to
you deciding that you wanted to leave and what you
said was a dream job that you.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Had at ESPE Yeah, I mean I play. Everyone who
knows me knows that this absolutely was my dream and
since I was eleven years old and announced I wanted
to be a sportscaster, to the shock of my parents
because I was like this super shy, quiet little girl,
and they're like, really, I want to do this, then
you might have to talk every once in a while
and not hide between our legs, so they listen. They

(50:16):
watched me every single day that they could over the
last sixteen and a half years at ADOESPN and kind
of just in awe because of how I really had
to transform as a person to live out this dream
and get over that shyness. And I still have it sometimes.
I just how to flip that switch pretty well. Back then,
in two thousand and seven, it was just a different world.
Social media wasn't a thing. We were strongly encouraged EDIOSPN

(50:40):
to get onto Twitter. I think I saw it the
other day when I was changing my bio at the
top of my Twitter page that April nine. I think
it's when I joined and there wasn't a thing called
Twitter and social media. I mean, I wasn't part of
my Space running that crap because I was too old
for that at the time. I think, I know, I
was old and married and busy. Social media has changed everything,

(51:04):
because I think back then it really was must be TV.
People really did need to come to us for the
news at breaking news, you know, and it would we
would promote it on the radio during the sports and
our updates during whatever radio show. There was probably Colin
Coward show and it's like watch Sports in Art six
pm or whatever it was. So times have just changed.
The talent group has changed. Stuart Scott, my late great

(51:29):
dear friend, you know, he was Stuart then. Man, he
there were we had came in, we had all of
the great Dan Patrick was leaving. I think right as
I was arriving. I remember seeing him in the stairway
once and and like hyperventilating because I'm like, that's Dan Patrick.
It was. It was a different time. It was a
beautiful time there, and I remember being scared to death

(51:50):
to walk in there, and it really is an incredible
place with a campus that truly is like a college
campus with some awesome people that I mean it when
I say this, I'm sad because of so many great,
great people and great experiences that I had, and I
have zero regrets. But it certainly has changed that. I
think every network has changed since two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Okay, so do you remember and for people who don't know,
you got suspended because you went on Jay Cutler's podcast.
Jay Cutler's a friend of mine, he lives here in Nashville,
former NFL quarterback. And basically you said, hey, I don't
think they should have mandated the COVID shot. You had
some other things to say, but I want to start
before we get to that. Do you remember a moment

(52:36):
in time where you thought, Hey, this doesn't just feel
like a sports network anymore. It feels very political too.
Do you remember a moment in time or an event
that occurred where you sort of thought, hey, looking back,
this is the line of demarcation, this is when things changed.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
I do think it was kind of a gradual process.
I do. I think it kind of steels like it
snuck up on us. But listen, through the years, we
always remember Andy Katz, who is so great one of
our layoffs that really hurt us back. I think he
was part of the twenty seventeen layoff. But college basketball

(53:17):
reporter and insider, he's an awesome human and really damn
getting his job. And every single year he came up
with the idea to go to the White House and
had Barack Obama do the bracketology and full out the
brackets because Obama was such a basketball fan, and it
felt okay. Then I remember saying, wait a minute, Trump
like sports too, why why aren't we going to the

(53:37):
White House? You know with college football stuff. I don't
know he used to own a football team, right or
the XFL like I USFL. I really thought, well, why
aren't we doing it now? And I remember asking that
question and you know, didn't really get answers, so to
me it felt gradual. I think during the Trump term

(53:57):
things really changed again. I know that we aren't the
only place is It changed everywhere, but it seemed like
that's when it became okay in our country to just
outwardly bash the administration. And I get it, and that's
what people's rights are and that's something I will always
stand up for. It's just if you did bash or

(54:18):
say something critical during the Obama administration. It was completely unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, And it's interesting because and I want to go
to the COVID shot in particular, and I bet you
would agree. If someone had come out and said, oh,
one hundred percent Disney should mandate the COVID shot, they
would have not gotten criticized at all, probably would have
gotten praised. You said the opposite. And what was the

(54:45):
reaction when you went on that podcast? And then you
also said you're uh as you mentioned your dad was
I think the first black football player at West Point,
your mom is white, your mixed race like Barack Obama.
You also talked about that your experience is just as
valid is his experience, and ESPN just basically said, oh,
Sage Steel, you can't have the opinions that you shared,

(55:07):
even though you shared them out of work. I think
it's such a fascinating dynamic of what happened to you.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
It's fascinating. That's a word to use, for sure. That's
one that I've used others, but that one works. I
you're right, and that's why I said a million times
that if I had said, shame on all these anti vaxxers,
you apparently don't care about your neighbors and your coworkers,
and you're gonna, you know, horror mothers and kill others,

(55:35):
and how selfish you are, because that's what was being
told to people like me who just questioned it. I
was never against the vaccine. I was against the mandate
or being forced to take it or anything. I mean,
and it's kind of consistent. I hadn't given my kids
a flu shot in probably a decade, not because I
had really researched free shots, frankly, if more because I forgot.

(55:56):
I mean, I'm an imperfect mother in more ways than one.
They'll tell you that I've forgotten. And I was like, wow,
and they've gone for several years now and haven't ever
gotten six, So just keep it going if I don't
have to put more shots. And so it really came organically.
But to me, I was very apprehensive just from the
basic research that I did because I didn't go too

(56:17):
deep on it. You didn't have to. But to see
how quickly it was being forced the vaccine and it
became political, that's when I was like, wait a minute,
this makes me uncomfortable, and I just want to wait.
Can I just wait a little bit longer. It give
me six months to make sure that we totally know
the effect of this vaccine, knowing that the FDA usually

(56:39):
takes what six to nine years on average to approve vaccines,
and this is six months. So I had a problem
with it, and especially with my kids, who you know,
the goalpost kept moving with it. Right first, it was
kids under twenty, you know, don't worry about it. You're fine,
you're healthy, you don't have to worry about it. And

(57:00):
then the age kept lowering, and I just the inconsistencies
made me question it, and so I listened. I waited
to the very I waited till that day, the very
last day I could have gotten shot in order to
be to have followed the rules and to be fully
vexed by the I think it was the September thirtieth deadline,

(57:22):
and I waited till the last second because it's clay.
I didn't want to do it, and I wasn't going
to do it. I was going to take a chance
and I guess maybe get fired. I didn't know. But
at the end of the day, I have three kids
at the time, one was in college, and you know,
financially I'm I'm divorced, and financially it's all on me
one hundred percent, so I couldn't and I did what

(57:47):
I had to do despite being disgusted with myself or
caving is the way I viewed myself at that point
and giving me into what I believed, especially being forced
to do something to my body, so that I did
what I had to do at that time, and I
just prayed that if something came at this vaccine, you know, fine,
let it be me, just don't let it be my kids,

(58:08):
which they're not vaccinated. But trust me when I say
I didn't take it lightly, and I did. I ran
literally from getting the damn shot, ran home to do
the podcast with Jay that I almost missed because I
was struggling so much with taking the shot itself. And
I came on and I had to band it on
my shoulder and I wasn't thinking about it, and just

(58:31):
we started talking and he asked, and I wanted to
pready to answer the question. I complied. I did what
he needed to do, and that was the other thing.
It's like I complied in volonging the rules, and I
can have an opinion because, like you said, if i'd
had the other opinion, I probably wouldn't have hurt from anybody.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Would you have ever believed when you started at ESPN
back in February of two thousand and seven that saying
men who identify as women shouldn't be champions would be
considered a controversial, controversial opinion to have anywhere, but much
less at a sports network, And for you and Sam
Ponder in particular, to be called bigots by other women

(59:12):
who work at ESPN for having that opinion. What does
that say about the perspective of ESPN when you get
suspended for questioning the COVID shot and other coworkers can
call you a bigot for not believing that men who
pretend to be women should be women's champions and nothing
at all happens to them.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Well, there's a couple of different topics there. With the
transgender I wouldn't believed it two years ago, much less
than two thousand and seven. I still can't believe it,
and that's why I really won't even bother. I'm happy
to have discussions in conversation that's actually that to me
is what is missing in this country right now, as

(59:54):
people are either afraid or unwilling to have conversations about
important topics. But this to me is useless because it's ridiculous.
And for all those people who preach science, especially over
the last couple of years, they're conveniently ignoring science right now.
So this is just a ridiculous topic to me. And
I knew that when I tweeted about it that it would, yeah,

(01:00:17):
not be appreciated by some, But you get to the
point where you cannot stay. For me, I couldn't stay
silent anymore, especially about something that is so important. I
have been on record for years, not obviously just as
a woman in a man's world, but as a woman
fighting for other women and young women, especially a mother
with two daughters and a son who I want to,

(01:00:38):
you know, really raise as a man and to respect
women and women are equal and we can do the
same things you can, as far as you know, what
we are worth, what we can do professionally, so many things,
and so to have this as a thing again, I
used to host the espnW Summit, which I was so
proud of for the first ten years eleven years if

(01:00:59):
it exists, and on that stage, all I would do
was help uplift women and let's have these conversations, and
why are we making us here or there? Why are
we doing fewer women's highlights and certain parts of our network,
Like let's be equal, and so for all of those
women to be silent right now, I'm like, where are you?
Where are you? Ladies? This one is it either you

(01:01:19):
support women as a whole or you don't, and you
can't pick or choose. I think the funniest part to me,
and it really made me laugh, is when Megan Rappino
called me out as well as Martina Nevertilova and Dave Chappelle,
and I was like, that's awesome company. I love Chappelle.
As far as our opinions on biological men, forget biological

(01:01:40):
men playing women's sports, and that by standing up for
women that I'm promoting violence against the transgender community, I
just can't. That's why I mean, I don't even bother
responding to some of that because it's not worth it.
So I'm sad where we are. I'm grateful that my
girls are no longer really playing competitive sports, because that

(01:02:00):
would be, I would be a nuisance to these people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Can you stick with us a little bit of time?
I don't know what you've got, But I got a
couple more questions for you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Clay. You know what I'm doing. I'm sitting in a
parking lot of a coffee shop in Connecticut, because apparently
this is what unemployed people do, is you sit at
a coffee shop and send one hundred emails all day.
I haven't been unemployed in thirty five years, so I'm like,
I can sit as long as you want here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
All right, let's keep hanging then. By the way, if
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