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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we roll
through into the weekend and hopefully power you into fantastic weekends.
We got a lot to discuss fallout Hunter Biden indictment
news came down yesterday while we were discussing many different
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topics that news.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
What is the takeaway? Where are we headed there?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Trump has done interviews with both Meghan Kelly and NBC News.
We've got a few of those cuts to discuss now
that Trump is sitting down for long form interviews with NBC.
It's I think particularly interesting in the Megan Kelly interview.
Also a lot there. We've got continued fallout dealing with
(00:54):
the illegal basically overrunning of New York City and many
other American city as well in terms of being able
to take care of all of those challenges. And we've
got a couple of guests for you to let you
kind of know where we're headed. Andy McCarthy, who does
I think the best job breaking down the legal process anywhere.
(01:14):
He'll be on with us at one thirty and then
Gerard Baker of The Wall Street Journal. I am an
unabashed huge fan of the Wall Street Journal and the
content that they put out every day. He is a
editor and has a prominent role there. I think he's
got a new book out that should be a fun
conversation as well. That is going to be an hour
two and hour three. But Buck, we began with Jensaki
(01:37):
on MSNBC last night discussing what is going on in
the White House now that Hunter Biden has been charged.
We have a heartbroken president. Listen to cut eight.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I think on the politics of this, you know, millions
of Americans have dealt with family members who have dealt
with drug addiction, who've dealt with alcohol addiction, who have
dealt with a range of addiction. My bet is right now,
this is a heartbroken president in the White House who
is worried about his son, and we're all watching to
see kind of what happens with.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
This heartbroken worried about his son.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
The complete rig job, the sweetheart deal that they all
worked out, Buck, that was supposed to have been signed
off on in July, just about six weeks ago. My
how the plot twist has occurred here where suddenly Hunter
Biden at least potentially is facing one series of charges
(02:35):
we still need. And this is where I would hammer
home Buck and I haven't heard a lot of explanation
about the timing on this side. We still need all
the charges felony charges brought on the tax evasion issues,
but this is at least a start. Here's a question
for you. Do you think charges on tax evasion will
ever get brought?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
No, not serious ones. I don't think that serious. Again,
I'm sticking to what I've thought all along here, which
is there's a very very clear pattern of they just
keep delaying and stretching this thing out as far as
they possibly can, which has already taken a Hunter out
of substantial legal jeopardy, and there's no bringing it back
(03:15):
because of the statute of limitations. So my sense here
is they'll probably give him some kind of a plea
deal that will even if it's felony charges won't have
any There'll be a diversionary program attached to it, so
it'll be some kind of They're going to lean on
the fact that he's a drug addict to say he
doesn't need punishment, he needs treatment. And there'll be some
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he goes to, like you know, a treatment center or something.
He's not going to federal prison, which to me, under
the circumstances is extreme sweetheart treatment. If that happens, that's
what I think is going to go down, because if
he has to take a real charge. Remember Weiss, we've
already established from the show Weiss is tight with the Bidens.
And Weiss would not have been not only would he
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not have been assigned by Merrick Garland, which is not
even allowable under DOJ rules to be appointed as a
special counsel if he wasn't a Biden fixes in guy.
I mean, he's somebody who's already shown us up to
this point his willingness. I mean, Clay that that plea
deal he said was crazy town, right, I mean this
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is if you had shown me what they were trying
to do before the deal, I would have actually agreed
with you that the judge would had to reject it
because it was like, yeah, this deal. And also, don't
check out anything on page number fifteen, subsection C. That's
gonna make a whole other felony go away that we're
not even talking about here, Like this is it was absurd,
and they that was what the prosecutors were trying to that.
(04:43):
People have to remember, it's not like that was just
Hunter's defense team. The prosecution signed off on that. Yeah,
the prosecution No, I know, you know, but like, yeah,
it's not just the judge that the prosecutors were in
on that scam. So I still think that as much
as they're doing all this supporting. Now you saw it,
like Hunter is dejected and said, and you know, I
(05:04):
think that he knows at the end of the day,
he will not spend a day in prison, and that
is under the circumstances extreme favoritism in terms of the treatment.
That's my that's my assessment.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I also love this this this Dan Goldman guy. He's
a congressman from New York, right, am, I am? I
correcting that Dan Goldman, Congressman from New York, Democrat congressman. Obviously,
he has become the new Adam Shift. He will just
go so far down the rabbit hole of propaganda. He
(05:38):
is like Iraqi Ministry of Information level Bagdad Bob crazy.
He says, Hunter Biden is getting the worst of a
two tier justice system.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
But before we play this clipbuck.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Imagine saying this when Trump is facing ninety one felonies
and they're trying to put him in prison for the
rest of his life, effectively for being the chief opposition
candidate to Joe Biden. Listen to Dan Goldman on the
two tiered justice system that Hunter Biden is a victim of.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I've never heard of this charge being brought. I understand
it is occasionally brought here and there, but in the
discretion you know, I was in the Southern District of
New York. We looked for felons who were in possession
of guns. We did not look for people who were
subject to substance abuse for eleven days in the possession
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of a gun.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So this is unusual.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And when you hear of the two tiered justice system,
I would argue that Hunter Biden is getting worse of
the worst of it because his last name is Biden,
not the other way around.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
This is this is class given me credit, This is
this is this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's gas lighting. It's a mental manipulation technique that they're
using here where they see the problem and they accuse
you know, it would be like if if you wanted
someone to stop hitting you and you hadn't confront of
them about it yet, because you know, they get angry
and they hit you, and then when do they show up,
they're like, you know, I'm really I'm really not comfortable
with the violence that you're perpetrating against me. It completely
(07:16):
upends the conversation and makes it really hard to have
any understanding of anything else going forward, because it's not
just that you're lying, you're going in the opposite direction
of the truth. Right. It's one thing to say hundred
probably shouldn't have been charged, which is crazy, but to
say that Hunter is being targeted for harsher treatment because
he's Joe Biden's son, this is Bonker's level insane. I mean,
(07:41):
this is like saying Anthony Fauci was way too lax
about COVID measures and was way too individualistic and letting
people approach it like I don't even know what to say.
But for some people this will work. The problem is,
in our mass media environment, the most aggressive lies are
many times the most effective.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, and this is why I would be encouraging every
Republican out there to be hammering when are the charges
coming on tax evasion? That's what has to happen, right
because and by the way they really, I think, should
try and charge for what they let expire in fifteen
(08:21):
and sixteen. That's also indefensible that they just let that
statute of limitations run out and now they can only
get him on I think it's seventeen and eighteen calendar
years for not paying his taxes. Those charges need to
be filed immediately. You can amend the pleating as necessary.
You've had five years to get them ready. Right now,
(08:44):
I think it's fair to ask, not did Hunter Biden
get treated unfairly? But are they still charging him with
the absolute lowest amount of public charges that they could
because a lot of times these charges will get pled
down to a misdemeanor. Again, to your point, Buck, certainly,
(09:06):
I don't understand why Hunter would be stressed out that
much about this, because if your dad has to get
out of jail free card, what the worst case scenario
is he has to play it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I'll tell you what I think, because this came up
in the last twenty four hours. What I think the
problem is here for Hunter is the Biden brand is
becoming less valuable, and he's worried about them. He's worried
about them, so it's about the money. He's worried about
the millions that he's going to pay. I don't know
if this will cost to millions, but certainly hundreds of thousands.
(09:37):
No question that he would have to pay for a
legal defense here, even if he was just going to
extend and you know, lawyer it up, do all that stuff.
And I think that he's also recognizing his ability to
make millions of dollars for doing nothing going forward is
effectively destroyed, because at this point you would have to
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be truly insane, unless you were, like again, some foreigner
who doesn't care about US law is like a Chinese
Communist Party member, But you would have to be insane
to want to do any business with Hunter Biden based
on pop has access.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Are you suggesting that his painting career is not going
to be as successful when his dad's not in the
White House?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh, I don't know. I haven't have you to be fair,
have you have you seen the paintings. I have seen
the paintings. I mean I thought.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
The craziest thing to me about the paintings, take leaving
aside the fact that people are paying tens of thousands
of dollars for them, is that I believe I'm correct
in this as part of the settlement with the daughter
that the Bidens would not acknowledge they actually gave her
some of the paintings. Did you see this like that
that's how he's paying part of his child, you know,
(10:47):
paternity responsibilities. That seems like a really poor negotiation tactic
by her magic to get the you know, you show
up for like a Maserati dealership and they're like, hey,
this is gonna cost you one hundred and forty great answer,
sign here, and you're like, no, no, I don't have money.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
What I do have is this amazing finger painting for you.
The article.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The article when they wrote about the plea agreement collapsing
in New York Times, they said that there were so
many details in it that were just ridiculous. But Hunter's
attorney traveled all the way across the country to discuss
this latest twist and turn in the case with Hunter
in his painting studio, and I'm just like, come on,
(11:32):
Hunter is sitting in his painting suffer as a lawyer
doesn't need to travel all the way across the country
to have a conversation with him, right, Like you can
call somebody on a phone, but that he's in the
studio with.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Like a paint, you know, like brush, Like he's like
he's Vincent Vengo or something to show up to all
of his like if he does end up going to trial,
which I don't even think what happened, but he should
definitely show up in like a beret and the smock
and be like, I am sorry, I am an artist.
I forget about ZiT Texas.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know, Like what if he did his own room sketches,
like while sitting at the defendant stand and sold them
like that, that would be I don't know if that's permissible.
He's like super handsome, and the judge really remember they
remember when Tom Brady was in the courtroom, and like
they had the most disgusting painting, Uh, like a sketch
(12:18):
of Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Do you remember the ugly Brady's.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I don't know what tom Brady did to that guy's
girlfriend back in the day, but the guy, like Tom
Brady is an incredibly good looking man, and he made
him look like you know, Frankenstein in that picture. But
I just like the idea of Hunter like sitting at
the defendant table, you know, like sketching away, uh, and
then you know, signing him and uh and and selling
them on on the I mean, is there is there
(12:44):
a more pathetic thing to have done than purchased Hunter
Biden's artwork.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, it depends on who you are, right, if you're
somebody that realizes you're purchasing the paintings because it's a
way to pay off Hunter to try to get the
Oh I get that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But like if you act actually hung it up in
your house and somebody walked in there, like who's that?
Like that's a Hunter Biden like someone to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
If if you and and I hope Laura is listening,
if you bought and hung up a Hunter Biden painting
in your home, it would be an amazing conversation piece,
like everybody you had over and you have to do
a funny idea. Yeah, Like you'd have to do it
like they have at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, like
you know, plexiglass, maybe a light above it, and you
could play some some Vivaldi quietly in the background. That's
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how you got to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
A Hunter Biden original would actually be hysterical to put
in my house. I would actually, I mean, it would
be amazing. It's like you know some people who are
really successful, they put up paintings of themselves, which is like,
I mean, it seems a little bit cocky to have
a painting of yourself in your own house, Like, yeah,
we know who you are at your house. There you
(13:50):
are in the wall too, But an original Hunter Biden
and when you first walk into foyer would be amazing.
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Speaker 3 (15:00):
The party with us now? He is contributor, writes at
National Review. Twenty plus years as a federal prosecutor in
the Southern District of New York Andy. Great to have
you back. Let's just have you jump right into it.
The announcement yesterday of the charges against Hunter Biden. How
(15:21):
how much of a surprise or how big of a
deal is this in this whole case in your mind?
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Well, I don't want to say it's nothing burger. You know,
it's three felony gun charges. And even though I think
the Biden Justice Department did everything they could to sabotage
the case and make it disappear, they have brought these
charges and ultimately the sentencing will be up to the judge.
(15:50):
So you know, it's a it's a serious matter. Compared
to everything that's been uncovered in connection with the broader
Biden investigation, I think it's a drop in the Ocean.
I also don't think. I can't let it pass without
(16:10):
saying that the Justice Department in general, and Merrick Garland
and David Weiss in particular, did everything they could do
to sabotage the case, including the gun charges, which is
which are it's inexplicable. Well, inexplicable is the wrong word.
(16:32):
It's entirely explicable. But it was terribly wrong for them
to do that. And I think, you know, if you
think of what a prosecutor is, you shake your head
at this. If you instead think, as I do, that
Weiss's job was to make the case disappear with respect
to Joe Biden more than anything else, then everything falls
(16:54):
into place and everything makes perfect sense. Andy.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
You know there's an effort underway. Clearly, this is the
New York Times hunter. Biden could face twenty five years
in prison and seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in fines.
Here's a rundown of why the accusations against the President's
son and what makes the case unusual. I'm seeing two
things happening. We're being told and you know, as Andy
(17:17):
knows better than anybody, any federal felony you can get,
you know, years and years in prison. That's you know,
if you're going to take a plea, that doesn't really happen.
But it seems to me Andy, they're trying to make
it seem like Hunter is being treated unfairly in a
negative light by the Justice Department. Here, what do you
make of that?
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Yeah, it is pretty hilarious. I mean, here's a guy
who for five years has gotten the benefit of selective
exercises of prosecutorial discretion. In that case that would have
taken ten minutes to present to the grand jury in
which he's like guilty eight ways to Sunday, and would
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have been would have taken about a month to investigate.
They've never brought the case. And they not only know
brought the case, they never filed any charges that would
stop the statute of limitations. They never went to his
lawyers and said, well, will negotiate a plea with you,
but then you have to waive the statute of limitations,
which is what prosecutors ordinarily do when they're in playe
(18:16):
negotiations with someone when the clock is running out. They
never did any of that stuff. This guy got the
complete benefit of all that. Then seven weeks ago they
bring him into court, and they actually try to make
the gun case disappear under circumstances where he's not eligible
on the Justice Department rules for diversion on this case.
(18:38):
And I must say, Buck, I think like the interesting
question here to me has always been it seems to
me that there's two guns, not one. All of the
charges that we've seen that we saw yesterday, the three
charges are in connection with a cult revolver, a thirty
eight special, and we've all seen because you can't unsee them,
(19:02):
these images from the New York Post where he seems
to be in a session where he's cavorting with a prostitute,
and it seems to be a drug induced or infused
session as it were. He's waving around a gun, and
that gun is not a revolver. It looks like a clock.
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And that according to the what's been reported about this
video imagery, that happened on either October seventeenth or October
nineteenth of twenty eighteen, I think the nineteenth, So that's
within this eleven day period listed in the indictment, which
goes I think from what is it, October twelfth to
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about the twenty third, So that's the second gun in
the mix here and we've never heard a word about it. So,
you know, the thought that this guy is being treated
unfairly under these circumstances is just it's it boggles the mind.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Andy, you talked about some of the IRS related issues. Okay,
so we've got the three felony charges brought on the
gun related issues, But you've been hammering this home about
the as it already happened with the fifteen and the
sixteen if I remember correctly, tax failure to pay taxes,
tax evasion. He totally is going to walk on that
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because they allowed the statute of limitations to run out.
When are they going to bring these other charges at
least on seventeen and eighteen?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Andy?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And isn't that what everybody should be hammering now? Okay, great,
the gun charges have been brought, but the IRS charges
seem to be way more significant. You tell me if
you think I'm wrong on this, then the gun charges
in the first place, it seems like they're charging him
with the lighter of the offenses. And do we feel
like these IRS felony charges are.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Going to come? And if they are, when do they
need to come? And maybe where? Well?
Speaker 6 (20:57):
I think Clay. It's it's I think it's even worse
than that, because I don't think it's just tax charges.
If the evidence that is being uncovered by the by
the Congressional Committee, and it wouldn't shock me that Weiss
didn't uncover any of this evidence, because I don't think
they ever conducted an investigation here. But if what the
Congressional Committee is uncovering UH is going to end up
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where I think it's leading. You could have you could
also have had money laundering charges and FARA charges Foreign
Agency Registration Act charges, as well as bribery charges. And
certainly if you look at what Muller did with Manifort,
you would think money laundering and FARAH charges would be
on the table in addition to tax. The statute of
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limitations is just five years on most federal crimes. It's
six years on the relevant tax evasion crimes in this case.
So already everything that is in that is a normal
federal statute of limitations crime, a five year crime. Everything
before twenty eighteen is gone, and with respect to the
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tax stuff, everything before twenty seventeen is gone. And I
can't help but think that the reason that Weiss handled
the case. The way he did was his job was
to make the case go away against Joe Biden twenty
fourteen and fifteen. It's actually twenty fourteen through twenty sixteen,
or the major years on Barisma, the China stuff, which
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is two different schemes, go through about twenty thirteen to
twenty seventeen. Some of the other stuff that we've been here,
like the Yolina bat Arena, the three and a half
million to Hunter that was twenty fourteen, all this stuff
is gone. You know, the sky did nothing. He didn't
he didn't bring any charges. Usually, as a federal prosecutor,
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if you're negotiating, if you're in plean negotiations with the lawyers,
you get them to waive the statue of the limitations,
and if they won't do it, then you get your
you know, you get into the grand jury and in
diet so that you stop the clock. But if you're
trying to make the case go away, then you do
exactly what he's done here.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And not only that, and to your point, it's awfully
convenient that all the tax charges from when Joe Biden
was still in office are also the ones that vanished
right when he was still Vice president, because then you
could go into whether his role and performance in office
was improperly influenced by Hunter, which is even more significant
(23:28):
obviously than the idea of him doing something out of office.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Right, Clay, I think all you need to know about
that is that the nice people at Parisma, when Joe
was no longer vice president, they slash Hunter's salary in half.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, total.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I mean, I don't know how much more blunt it
could do than that.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Right, No, Nadie, what do you think of the chances
that Hunter actually sees the inside of a prison cell
at any point over this stuff? Well?
Speaker 6 (24:01):
See, now this gets to this gets to the human element.
To me, fuck more than the than the lawyer element.
I have to say, if this was one of my
sons and I had the power to pardon, there's no
way you would ever put one of my sons in prison,
Not for me what happened. So uh And I don't
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you know, I say this with sympathy for Biden as
a human being, As somebody who's a parent, you know,
I get that it would be a terrible abuse of
power and the honorable thing to do if you use
your power to help your family out in that way,
and to help yourself, by the way would be to
resign right after doing it. But I can't imagine that. Biden,
(24:47):
who you know, Look, I think I've said this a
million times. I think all the people who say Biden's
lost the stuff, Yeah, maybe he lost the step, but
he was always you know, he was an imbecile for century.
So nobody who's followed him like I followed him for
all these years could be surprised by some of the
(25:07):
stuff that we've seen. But at the same time, as
a personal matter, you know, he lost his other son,
he lost his wife and another child. He's had a
very tragic life in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I have a lot of.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Sympathy for that. I lost my dad when I was
very young. It's a traumatic thing that you never ever
get over. And if you you know, if the question
with on that kind of a record is you have
your one remaining son who is tragically a narcotics addict,
(25:41):
who you know has been through very bad stuff and
undoubtedly put his family through very bad stuff. Are you
going to let him get sentenced to federal prison? I
just I don't see it well.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think that would do Sorry, sorry, but but I
think that's probably what you're building on too. Okay, from
a perspective, I think we agree that he's unlikely to
let his son ever go into uh, into a jail
or into any sort of prison. What does that do
politically in your mind? Andy, if he were to decide
to do something that no one has ever done with
(26:17):
the pardon power in the history of the United States,
and that is pardon his own son, I.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Think it's gonna it's gonna make a fool out of
me play because I've been the one who's saying all
along that I don't think Trump can win. I just
don't think, like the math doesn't work. And I think
if Biden does something like we're talking about UH, all
bets are off.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's so destructive politically to him that you think Trump
could win ahead to head battle with Biden. That's how
that's how destructive it could be.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Yeah, well, I mean, I don't want to suggest that
it's a it's a it's an isolation. Right. The economies
a mess. We could be heading into a recession, which
is a catastrophe for a president to try to run on.
His record's been awful. He's destroying the country. He's completely
(27:13):
decimating important institutions in the country. He's a very unpopular figure,
and if he given what his age is, you have
to take into account that if anything were to happen
to him, Kamala Harris becomes president. I mean, that's such
a toxic combination of things. If you throw on top
(27:36):
of it that he abuses his power. I assume if
he's going to cross the rubicon, he's not just going
to pardon Hunter. He's going to pardon you know, whoever
in his family is implicated in the influence peddling scheme.
It'd be very hard to survive all that politically.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I don't think there's any doubt. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Hey, I hope you enjoy my Braves winning the sixth
straight NL East title.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh oh, you're killing me. I thought the week. I
start the week with Rogers and I end the week
with that.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
It's a tough time for New York sports fans.
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Speaker 3 (29:22):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Let's talk
migrant crisis NYC. Little bit of update for you on
this one. There was a meeting with Alexandria Ocazio or Okazio, Cortes,
Jerry Nadler, a bunch of prominent Democrats outside of a
(29:45):
hotel in Manhattan that is now a relief center for
asylum seekers. And there were some folks who were present
who were not happy with the fact that New York
City is now America's largest refugee camp. And that is
a from a definition perspective, an accurate statement they are
(30:06):
taking in asylum seekers or refugees. Also, the numbers on
this Clay, I thought this was interesting. There was a
city councilwoman, I think it was a city council woman Vernikov.
If memory serves that I saw share the asylum numbers
for what percentage recently eighty ninety percent of the people
coming from Central America other parts of Latin America, for example,
(30:29):
don't get asylum when they're actually up for because they're
not asylum seekers. Right. The whole point here is the
system is being scammed. Asylum is I can't be in
my country because I'm in physical danger, or I'm being
oppressed because of my religion or something that is different
than I want to be in a country with a
better economy, in a massive welfare state. Here I am.
(30:49):
That's called immigration. That's not asylum seeking or refugee status.
But they claim to be refugees because they're scamming the
whole system. Everybody has to remember that. So they're running
massive refuge camps now in New York City. I've been
to other refugee camps elsewhere in the world, so I
know something about refugee camps. And here is what it
sounded like outside the hotel as these democrats are in
(31:12):
there to make this even more comfortable, more funding, and
better for the illegal aliens who have gathered in New
York City. Play it. The American dream. Will not be bullied.
It's a submission today. We will continue to fight for
the American dream.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
We will not be bully.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
We'll We're not be pushing to a corner.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
We will fight for these common sense solutions.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Can I just be clear? Apparently that was Representative Adriano Espayat,
Did I get that right? If I nailed that? When
I'm proud of myself, first time I've seen that name
Democrat of New York who is saying, Clay, the American
dream now is you get to enter illegally, you get
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to why about the need for you to stay. You
get taxpayers to pay for your food, housing, clothing, and
all healthcare everything else, and then you're supposed to be
able to get work permits. That's the American dream now,
according to Democrats who are speaking at this migrant center
in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And what's important about this, Buck, is those are Democrat
voters screaming at buy and large Democrat congressmen and women.
So Democrats. Now, there's a pretty consistent position on the
Republican side, right. It is, let's have border security. Let's
not have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming across
(32:41):
the border every couple of days. I saw Bill Malujin
just put out a tweet in the last twenty minutes, Buck,
the Biden administration. Things are so crowded now on the
border that the Biden administration is putting migrants on buses
and now dropping them off in San Diego.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Did you see that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I mean, maybe we can grab that audio, but they're
telling those illegal immigrants you're free to go like you
you're just go out and do whatever you want. I mean,
this is crazy. But Democrats don't have an answer for this.
They out they're finally fighting internally over this, but they
should based on what the Democrat party position has been.
(33:22):
This will be a shock. If you go back, you
could find editorials by the editorial board of the New
York Times as recently as let's say ninety eight, maybe
ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, I go back. As you know, I grew
up in a New York Times subscribing household to Clay,
so I used to read it all the time. Then
we switched to the Wall Street Journal years later. The
Times used to be a better paper in the nineties,
even if it was liberal. Now it's obviously just communist nonsense.
But they would back in the nineties write editorials about
illegal immigration and talk about how it was unfair to
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other migrants, how it suppressed win ages for the working class,
how it particularly created unfair competition for racial minorities already
in America, how it created They would actually make these
arguments from a Democrat perspective, that it was suppressing wages
and that it was an unfair drain on the welfare state.
(34:20):
Now with for the last twenty years or so, it
has switched to illegal immigrant. This is a nation of
illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are better than Americans in terms
of their work ethic, better than Americans in terms of
their law abiding nature. It's all propaganda. And what they're
finally forced to deal with is okay, so illegal migrants,
(34:42):
all they do is make everybody wealthier, better off. Say
for everything that's great. New York should be saying, send
another one hundred thousand, Yeah, send another one hundred thousand.
We want more instead. The mayor of New York City,
and now he's trying to walk it back, is saying
they are quote going to destroy this city, destroy it,
ruin it. Why are they ruining it? Everybody? The Democrat
(35:04):
Party told us for twenty years that illegal immigrants are
amazing and just make the country better in every respect. Clay,
there was no downside you were allowed to speak of
without being shouted down for being xenophobic and racist.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And that's what they tried to say about the idea
of the wall. And what I think you're seeing is
the number one issue that Biden is underwater on is
the border. And he's underwater on it, because everybody agrees
that it's a disaster. And I thought you succinctly summed
it up, you know, last year when you said Joe
(35:36):
Biden cares way more about the sanctity of Ukraine's border
than he does in the United States border. And I
think that is a pitch that works very well when
you go out and make an argument about what is
going on there, but when you're seeing now record because
remember Title forty two was ended, and it sound it
(35:58):
felt like and you see, if you agree with me
on this buck that there was almost a pause because
people weren't sure what the new policy was going to
be south of the border, and so there was a
huge influx before Title forty two expired. Then Title forty
two expires and things slowed down a little bit because
there was uncertainty as to what the policies were going
(36:19):
to be like. And now it's basically a huge, wide
open southern border and everybody is rushing back.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
The flood is the border again, That is all correct.
The flood is full on, back on, and you have
to remember the migrants that there are networks. They're speaking
to each other and word gets out through the smuggling networks.
When is a good time to go? And so if
there was a pause at the border at the end
(36:46):
of Title forty two, it would have only just been
a you could call it a strategic pause to see
can we still get in easily? Are they still doing
the same stuff? What's going on? Title forty two wasn't
blocking a lot of people who are coming in illegally anyway.
It just gave one tool that could be used, and
was used, particularly earlier on in the pandemic, more forcefully
(37:08):
to repatriate immediately people who weren't in the country legally.
But you know, you start to realize the erosion of
the rule of law that this represents is not a
minor thing, because if the government can just decide that
a person can be in the country illegally and just
because it is no longer illegal, they don't pass a
(37:29):
statue to this regard. They don't they don't actually clarify
this as a function of law. They just choose that
immigration law doesn't matter anymore. Clay, why should tax law matter?
Like why is hunter facing charges on possession of a gun?
I mean, what laws should we really enforce? Like what
does it mean when our immigration system. They keep saying
it is broken. That is a lie. The left, the
(37:50):
activists and the Kamis have broken it because what they've
done is morally blackmail the country effectively into refusing to
enforce immigration law. And by the way, a lot of
Republicans go along with this too. A lot of Chamber
of Commerce donor class Republican politicians and you know, all
throughout the spectrum are like, we need the cheap I
(38:11):
got into a huge fight with some very famous Republicans
at the table that I cannot name. So was off
the record, Clay not long ago. It was actually on
a on a this is how I spend my This
is before Carrie. I was spending what's the fancy the
Heart Holiday? What is it called?
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Same?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Not Valentine the Heart Valentine's Day? Sorry, I said, by
like such a long term bachelor. There was a stupid
Heart holiday whatever it is that the stupid cubid and
the bows and the arrows.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, I can't. I can't tell you over the years
how many dates I was like, you know, didn't go.
I was like the Heart Holiday.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I was like, is there, like, is there a Pediatric
Association hall? Like, yeah, the Heart holiday Valentine's Day.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
But I was at I was at a dinner and
and and one, and there were a couple of people
and it was off the records, I can't say, but
there's some very well known right wingers who were there.
And there was a donor class person, let's just say,
a very wealthy donor class person. And all this person
kept saying was we need more illegals because I need
to hire them for the businesses, big, big businesses. And
I kept saying, what about Americans? And you know what
(39:18):
the response kept being, They're too expensive. Yeah, well, folks,
guess what, there's a reason that they can get paid less.
And there are reasons that involve also all the social
services that are going to go to support the illegals,
as in what you see in New York City society.
It's socializing the costs of bringing these people in illegally
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and then maximizing the profits for one small sector that
writes checks to the right politicians. This is what has
broken the system. Our immigration laws are actually rather straightforward
if you want to read them and look at what
they say.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Listen to this woman buck Cut twenty eight. She is
we were just playing in New York City. The politicians
getting yelled down as they're trying to discuss this crisis
in New York City. Listen to this woman, who I
think is speaking for a huge majority of Americans. Listen
to Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
My message is close the border vet. These people, like,
how come they get to cut the line in front
of millions of people waiting. They're waiting to come to
America the right way, but they get like pushed in
front the migrants. So the legal migrants they get everything.
They put them first, put America Americans last. We need
(40:32):
to be America first, not Americans last. Do you think
that IOC was responsive to messages like this. No, she
cut her little parts conference early because she kept on
talking the same thing. Housing for migrants, work for migrants,
But what about our homeless veterans, what about our homeless Americans?
She puts them, puts the migrants first, us last.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
That's a black woman in AOC's congressional district who she
sounds like Donald Trump. She sounds like Donald Trump in
twenty sixteen. And that's why I think you are starting
to see so many people in the working class community
who would have been traditionally Democrat voters starting to repudiate
(41:16):
and reject Democrat positions on immigration. I mean, I thought,
I mean again, that's a black woman, and I believe
in AOC's congressional district in New York City, you just
heard it that basically is Donald Trump immigration polic.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I mean, you know, they'll say that it's the Democrats
to shut people up and to keep people from learning
the truth about all the illegality around our immigration system.
What it means, what it does, how it overstretches border patrol,
How it makes the border completely wide open for the
fentanyl that is poisoning not just the one hundred thousand
plus who die of overdoses every year, but poisoning whole communities.
(41:52):
For every person who dies a fentil, there's a family
that is forever shattered. For every person who dies of fentthil,
there's somebody who's selling that drug that individual, and it's
facing decades in prison if they are caught ruining that family.
The poison that pours across the border because of the illegality,
it is hard to put into context, It is hard
to put into words. And the only reason this is
able to continue is because the Democrats lie to you
(42:14):
about it. And when they say it's racist, go walk around.
You know, I'm here in Miami. Go walk around. Ask
a lot of Latinos in Miami, what do you think
about illegal immigration? You don't you get to hear from
most of them. I came here legally. Why should they
come here illegally? I came here the right way. I
had to wait, my family had to wait. I spent
money on lawyers. They can just walk across the border.
That's not right. Hmm. Almost like again, people are being
(42:39):
lied to on this AOC and all the rest of them.
They are lying to you about the realities of immigration
and the border and what's really happening. If there is,
by the way, a giant neon sign for how I
think assuming Trump. People have been getting mad at me,
by the way, saying Trump is not that. If I
don't say Trump is the nominee, people get mad at me.
If I say Trump is the nominee, people get mad.
(43:00):
I'm just I'm just saying he's way ahead right now, folks.
He's obviously not the nominee technically, but he's clearly way
way ahead. So we're just dealing with the realities we
see it. But Clay, immigration is the issue that Trump
can win this election on. I really believe that it's
how he won twenty sixteen. I think immigration in twenty
twenty four is, and his arguments for what he did
(43:23):
on immigration, I will say, actually, this is some of
the stuff he said the mag Kelly interviews is there's
actually a case to be made that the continuation of
what he was doing was all that's needed in order
to accomplish the goal. So I think that's a particularly
powerful place for him to go anyway that immigration gets
me fired.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
That was, by the way, Caitlin Seinclaire's report from New
York City interviewing that woman.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
That's pretty fabulous, Hurt.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I mean that clip that we played for you, I
think that's going to go viral, and I think it's
going to go viral because I think that woman is
speaking for a lot of people Democrats Republicans all over
the country who were fed up with an open border.
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Speaker 1 (45:03):
Keefing it real, keeping it honest. Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
everybody hanging out with us. We are joined now as.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
We come down the home stretch of the Friday edition
of the program by Gerard Baker, former editor in chief
of the Wall Street Journal, now the editor at Large.
He's got a new book, American Breakdown, Why we no
longer trust our leaders and institutions and how we can
rebuild confidence. I'm looking forward to hearing some of your
(45:36):
takes here, Gerar, but I want to start, and thanks
for coming on with us. Love the newspaper, love the
work you guys do at the Wall Street Journal. With
what I would say is the biggest story of the
week so far, and it's actually Joe Biden under siege.
Washington Post top columnist says he shouldn't run Hunter Biden
indicted a lot of people out there saying that it's
(45:58):
time for Biden to step down.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Do you think Joe Biden will be.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
The Democrat nominee next year running for reelection or do
you think it'll be someone else?
Speaker 9 (46:07):
I thanks very much Indeve having me on. It's very
kind of you, and a good Friday afternoon to you
and your listeners. I still think he will be I mean,
you're absolutely right, it is. There does seem to be
something afoot That columnist in the Washington Post. You've talked
about some of the polling that we've seen out recently,
some of the kind of you know, more chatter about
(46:28):
Biden's poor performance of that press conference in Vietnam. No,
I think what's going on still. I think the problem though,
that they have is they don't have a plausible alternative,
and that's really the Democrats problem. I think, you know, Joe,
but I think I think the reason we're hearing about
this right now is that for a long time, it's
been the conventional wisdom in Washington, wrong as usual as
(46:50):
the conventional wisdom usually is, but it's been the conventional
wisdom that for all Joe Biden's faults, he'll beat Donald Trump.
Donald Trump can't win the presidency, he can't win the general,
actually can win the Republican primary, he can't win the presidency.
I've always thought that was wrong. I've always done as nonsense.
I think, with the economy likely weakening next year, I think, actually,
you know, the polling already shows Trump at least neck
and neck with Biden. He could he could certainly win.
(47:10):
And I think that realization that he could win that
Biden could lose is starting to seepin, and I think
that's starting to make some Democrats panic a little bit
and think, oh god, we maybe not only we got
this old guy who really isn't up to the job anymore,
but after all that he may lose to Trump. Their
problem is, though, I don't think they have an alternative.
Who's if he steps down? Who's it going to be?
Kamala Harris probably is the inside track. You know, that's Frankly,
(47:32):
I'm know Joe Biden fan, but that scares me even
more than Joe Biden than another four years of Joe
Biden or you know, Gavin Newsoon, Gretchen Whitner. I mean,
these are not these are not you know, names that
I think are likely to be a shoe in or
even frankly, likely to be the favorite against Donald Trump.
So I kind of think they're stuck with Biden.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Gerard, thanks for being here where there's so your book
American breakdown Why we no longer trust our leaders and
institutions and how we can rebuild confidence? Why do we
no longer trust leaders and institutions? What has changed? What
have we learned? What have we seen? That you get
into in this book. As people are going off onto
their weekends. Here, I think it's worth getting into some
of the underlying foundational philosophical issues here.
Speaker 9 (48:15):
So I think there are factors. There are multiple factors
that explain why people have lost trust in the major institutions,
and the numbers are incredibly striking. I went back and
looked in detail at Gallup takes these regular surveys. Other
organizations do too, and trust as a whole in government, media, education,
(48:36):
science and technology, big business, across the board, in all
of these major institutions that kind of lead American life.
Trust has collapsed in the last twenty or thirty years
or so. Just it's down across the board now. I
think that's due to a number of factors that have
to do with the specific institutions themselves. Frankly, people have
decided that government lies to them, which who can blame them?
(48:57):
Government has done a terrible performance in many ways over
the last twenty years. It's got very big and it's
not doing things that people like, and I think that
reason people don't trust the government.
Speaker 6 (49:07):
The media.
Speaker 9 (49:08):
We all know the stories of how the media quite frankly,
have become you know, made stories up in the last
few years, have become increasingly partisan, increasingly biased, increasingly in
pursuit of an agenda big business. Big business has become
incredibly woke. It's become globalists. It's very much focused on
you know, global markets and global profits at the expense
of Americans. So again, all of these things have been
(49:29):
going on. If there's a defining common characteristic, though, I
would say, and this is what I read about in
the book, I think it is this these elites that
have taken control of these institutions, These people who all
think alike. They have the same kind of views. They
have the same views on American history, and they have
the same views on race and gender and immigration and
the importance of you know, global cooperation and global integration.
(49:53):
They have taken they've seized control of these all of
these institutions, and they are they are an elite. I
don't really like using that word, but they basically are
an elite. They are they have values that are fundamentally
at odds with the values of most Americans and the
country this country was. I'm an immigrant, you can probably
tell from my accident. Came here thirty years ago. I've
been a journalist in this country for thirty years. This
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is the greatest country on Earth. It's history has been
one of extraordinary success, built on the values that it
was founded on. Obviously, it's needed to reform. A lot
of bad things have gone on in American history, But
the great achievement of America and the genius of America,
is that it's been able to reinvent itself and recreate itself,
and based on fidelity to those core values. I think
(50:35):
we are, unfortunately now in all of our key institutions,
led by people, almost all of them anyway, who don't
really share those values, and who want to drive, who
don't really want who don't really want America to be America.
They want America to be kind of like a like
a European country, a social democratic country, or even you know,
even maybe an Asian country. They don't share those values.
So I think that's why people fundamentally don't trust their
leaders anymore.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Is this something that a president can cure the right president,
or do you think it's something that's written at the core,
And if so, how do you fix it.
Speaker 9 (51:04):
It's going to require a president, It's going to require
legislation probably, it's going to require transformation of the legal system.
I think we're already seeing that in terms of the
direction of the Supreme Court. Look, I mean, one of
the things I look at in the book is the history.
If there's good news in this book, it's that we've
been here before. I mean, America's had these periods before
where you know, trust in their leading institutions has declined sharply,
(51:28):
where people feel alienated from their leading institutions. Look at
look at the nineties, the late nineteen sixties, in particular ninety.
I always say to people who throw up their hands
and say, oh my god, things are terrible today, go
back and look at ninety sixty eight. Ninety sixty eight.
We had, you know, hundreds of Americans were dying every
week in a war. We had political assassinations, major political assaations.
We had political violence across the country, we had terrorism.
(51:50):
The country was tearing itself apart. And you know, it
did overcome those divisions took a while. First of all,
Richard Nixon was elected in sixty eight and then re
elected with a huge majority in seventy two talked about
the silent majority, and I think some extent he was
right about that. Obviously, talking of trust, I mean, his
presidents ended in a collapse of trust with Watergate, and
then we got through to the rest of the seventies
in a pretty pretty shambolic way. And then we got
(52:13):
Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty so a president can And then,
by the way, that's when in the nineteen eighties, that's
when once again people did have faith in American faith
in America's institutions and leadership. So it takes time, it
takes presidential intervention, it takes legislation, it takes but above all,
it takes a cultural change. And I think it takes
people standing up and saying, you know, we're not And
(52:35):
I think this is already happening. I think again, there's
more good music because I think that's already happening. They're
standing up and saying, we are going to assert American values.
We're going to assert these ideals, and we're going to
take our country back. And I think that again, that
is beginning to happen. It'll take time, but I'm confident
that we'll get there.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Gerard Baker, his book American Breakdown, Why why we no
longer trust our leaders and institutions and how we can
rebuild confident in Skeetch your copy today, go check it out,
and uh, Gerar, thanks so much for being with us,
appreciate it. Thanks having me. Keep up the good work
at the Wall Street Journal. I was gonna say thank
you for doing this like a major broadsheet, you know,
a major newspaper that we can subscribe to. So we've
(53:13):
no h thanks you, Bill keep.
Speaker 9 (53:15):
I'm so glad you do. Thank you for thank you
for reading, and thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Absolutely yeah, I do. My dad does, my brothers do
you know? We all we all like the journal, uh Clay.
It's also a huge advantage to have a cool accent.
I'm just going to say, no, no doubt huge. I'm
sitting here and just like man, imagine if I could
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You don't know what's you don't know right, but you
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we roll
through into the weekend and hopefully power you into fantastic weekends.
We got a lot to discuss fallout Hunter Biden indictment
news came down yesterday while we were discussing many different
(00:27):
topics that news.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
What is the takeaway? Where are we headed there?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Trump has done interviews with both Meghan Kelly and NBC News.
We've got a few of those cuts to discuss now
that Trump is sitting down for long form interviews with NBC.
It's I think particularly interesting in the Megan Kelly interview.
Also a lot there. We've got continued fallout dealing with
(00:54):
the illegal basically overrunning of New York City and many
other American city as well in terms of being able
to take care of all of those challenges. And we've
got a couple of guests for you to let you
kind of know where we're headed. Andy McCarthy, who does
I think the best job breaking down the legal process anywhere.
(01:14):
He'll be on with us at one thirty and then
Gerard Baker of The Wall Street Journal. I am an
unabashed huge fan of the Wall Street Journal and the
content that they put out every day. He is a
editor and has a prominent role there. I think he's
got a new book out that should be a fun
conversation as well. That is going to be an hour
two and hour three. But Buck, we began with Jensaki
(01:37):
on MSNBC last night discussing what is going on in
the White House now that Hunter Biden has been charged.
We have a heartbroken president. Listen to cut eight.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I think on the politics of this, you know, millions
of Americans have dealt with family members who have dealt
with drug addiction, who've dealt with alcohol addiction, who have
dealt with a range of addiction. My bet is right now,
this is a heartbroken president in the White House who
is worried about his son, and we're all watching to
see kind of what happens with.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
This heartbroken worried about his son.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
The complete rig job, the sweetheart deal that they all
worked out, Buck, that was supposed to have been signed
off on in July, just about six weeks ago. My
how the plot twist has occurred here where suddenly Hunter
Biden at least potentially is facing one series of charges
(02:35):
we still need. And this is where I would hammer
home Buck and I haven't heard a lot of explanation
about the timing on this side. We still need all
the charges felony charges brought on the tax evasion issues,
but this is at least a start. Here's a question
for you. Do you think charges on tax evasion will
ever get brought?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
No, not serious ones. I don't think that serious. Again,
I'm sticking to what I've thought all along here, which
is there's a very very clear pattern of they just
keep delaying and stretching this thing out as far as
they possibly can, which has already taken a Hunter out
of substantial legal jeopardy, and there's no bringing it back
(03:15):
because of the statute of limitations. So my sense here
is they'll probably give him some kind of a plea
deal that will even if it's felony charges won't have
any There'll be a diversionary program attached to it, so
it'll be some kind of They're going to lean on
the fact that he's a drug addict to say he
doesn't need punishment, he needs treatment. And there'll be some
(03:38):
he goes to, like you know, a treatment center or something.
He's not going to federal prison, which to me, under
the circumstances is extreme sweetheart treatment. If that happens, that's
what I think is going to go down, because if
he has to take a real charge. Remember Weiss, we've
already established from the show Weiss is tight with the Bidens.
And Weiss would not have been not only would he
(04:00):
not have been assigned by Merrick Garland, which is not
even allowable under DOJ rules to be appointed as a
special counsel if he wasn't a Biden fixes in guy.
I mean, he's somebody who's already shown us up to
this point his willingness. I mean, Clay that that plea
deal he said was crazy town, right, I mean this
(04:21):
is if you had shown me what they were trying
to do before the deal, I would have actually agreed
with you that the judge would had to reject it
because it was like, yeah, this deal. And also, don't
check out anything on page number fifteen, subsection C. That's
gonna make a whole other felony go away that we're
not even talking about here, Like this is it was absurd,
and they that was what the prosecutors were trying to that.
(04:43):
People have to remember, it's not like that was just
Hunter's defense team. The prosecution signed off on that. Yeah,
the prosecution No, I know, you know, but like, yeah,
it's not just the judge that the prosecutors were in
on that scam. So I still think that as much
as they're doing all this supporting. Now you saw it,
like Hunter is dejected and said, and you know, I
(05:04):
think that he knows at the end of the day,
he will not spend a day in prison, and that
is under the circumstances extreme favoritism in terms of the treatment.
That's my that's my assessment.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I also love this this this Dan Goldman guy. He's
a congressman from New York, right, am, I am? I
correcting that Dan Goldman, Congressman from New York, Democrat congressman. Obviously,
he has become the new Adam Shift. He will just
go so far down the rabbit hole of propaganda. He
(05:38):
is like Iraqi Ministry of Information level Bagdad Bob crazy.
He says, Hunter Biden is getting the worst of a
two tier justice system.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
But before we play this clipbuck.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Imagine saying this when Trump is facing ninety one felonies
and they're trying to put him in prison for the
rest of his life, effectively for being the chief opposition
candidate to Joe Biden. Listen to Dan Goldman on the
two tiered justice system that Hunter Biden is a victim of.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I've never heard of this charge being brought. I understand
it is occasionally brought here and there, but in the
discretion you know, I was in the Southern District of
New York. We looked for felons who were in possession
of guns. We did not look for people who were
subject to substance abuse for eleven days in the possession
(06:32):
of a gun.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So this is unusual.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And when you hear of the two tiered justice system,
I would argue that Hunter Biden is getting worse of
the worst of it because his last name is Biden,
not the other way around.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
This is this is class given me credit, This is
this is this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's gas lighting. It's a mental manipulation technique that they're
using here where they see the problem and they accuse
you know, it would be like if if you wanted
someone to stop hitting you and you hadn't confront of
them about it yet, because you know, they get angry
and they hit you, and then when do they show up,
they're like, you know, I'm really I'm really not comfortable
with the violence that you're perpetrating against me. It completely
(07:16):
upends the conversation and makes it really hard to have
any understanding of anything else going forward, because it's not
just that you're lying, you're going in the opposite direction
of the truth. Right. It's one thing to say hundred
probably shouldn't have been charged, which is crazy, but to
say that Hunter is being targeted for harsher treatment because
he's Joe Biden's son, this is Bonker's level insane. I mean,
(07:41):
this is like saying Anthony Fauci was way too lax
about COVID measures and was way too individualistic and letting
people approach it like I don't even know what to say.
But for some people this will work. The problem is,
in our mass media environment, the most aggressive lies are
many times the most effective.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, and this is why I would be encouraging every
Republican out there to be hammering when are the charges
coming on tax evasion? That's what has to happen, right
because and by the way they really, I think, should
try and charge for what they let expire in fifteen
(08:21):
and sixteen. That's also indefensible that they just let that
statute of limitations run out and now they can only
get him on I think it's seventeen and eighteen calendar
years for not paying his taxes. Those charges need to
be filed immediately. You can amend the pleating as necessary.
You've had five years to get them ready. Right now,
(08:44):
I think it's fair to ask, not did Hunter Biden
get treated unfairly? But are they still charging him with
the absolute lowest amount of public charges that they could
because a lot of times these charges will get pled
down to a misdemeanor. Again, to your point, Buck, certainly,
(09:06):
I don't understand why Hunter would be stressed out that
much about this, because if your dad has to get
out of jail free card, what the worst case scenario
is he has to play it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I'll tell you what I think, because this came up
in the last twenty four hours. What I think the
problem is here for Hunter is the Biden brand is
becoming less valuable, and he's worried about them. He's worried
about them, so it's about the money. He's worried about
the millions that he's going to pay. I don't know
if this will cost to millions, but certainly hundreds of thousands.
(09:37):
No question that he would have to pay for a
legal defense here, even if he was just going to
extend and you know, lawyer it up, do all that stuff.
And I think that he's also recognizing his ability to
make millions of dollars for doing nothing going forward is
effectively destroyed, because at this point you would have to
(09:58):
be truly insane, unless you were, like again, some foreigner
who doesn't care about US law is like a Chinese
Communist Party member, But you would have to be insane
to want to do any business with Hunter Biden based
on pop has access.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Are you suggesting that his painting career is not going
to be as successful when his dad's not in the
White House?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh, I don't know. I haven't have you to be fair,
have you have you seen the paintings. I have seen
the paintings. I mean I thought.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
The craziest thing to me about the paintings, take leaving
aside the fact that people are paying tens of thousands
of dollars for them, is that I believe I'm correct
in this as part of the settlement with the daughter
that the Bidens would not acknowledge they actually gave her
some of the paintings. Did you see this like that
that's how he's paying part of his child, you know,
(10:47):
paternity responsibilities. That seems like a really poor negotiation tactic
by her magic to get the you know, you show
up for like a Maserati dealership and they're like, hey,
this is gonna cost you one hundred and forty great answer,
sign here, and you're like, no, no, I don't have money.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
What I do have is this amazing finger painting for you.
The article.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The article when they wrote about the plea agreement collapsing
in New York Times, they said that there were so
many details in it that were just ridiculous. But Hunter's
attorney traveled all the way across the country to discuss
this latest twist and turn in the case with Hunter
in his painting studio, and I'm just like, come on,
(11:32):
Hunter is sitting in his painting suffer as a lawyer
doesn't need to travel all the way across the country
to have a conversation with him, right, Like you can
call somebody on a phone, but that he's in the
studio with.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Like a paint, you know, like brush, Like he's like
he's Vincent Vengo or something to show up to all
of his like if he does end up going to trial,
which I don't even think what happened, but he should
definitely show up in like a beret and the smock
and be like, I am sorry, I am an artist.
I forget about ZiT Texas.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know, Like what if he did his own room sketches,
like while sitting at the defendant stand and sold them
like that, that would be I don't know if that's permissible.
He's like super handsome, and the judge really remember they
remember when Tom Brady was in the courtroom, and like
they had the most disgusting painting, Uh, like a sketch
(12:18):
of Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Do you remember the ugly Brady's.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I don't know what tom Brady did to that guy's
girlfriend back in the day, but the guy, like Tom
Brady is an incredibly good looking man, and he made
him look like you know, Frankenstein in that picture. But
I just like the idea of Hunter like sitting at
the defendant table, you know, like sketching away, uh, and
then you know, signing him and uh and and selling
them on on the I mean, is there is there
(12:44):
a more pathetic thing to have done than purchased Hunter
Biden's artwork.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, it depends on who you are, right, if you're
somebody that realizes you're purchasing the paintings because it's a
way to pay off Hunter to try to get the
Oh I get that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But like if you act actually hung it up in
your house and somebody walked in there, like who's that?
Like that's a Hunter Biden like someone to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
If if you and and I hope Laura is listening,
if you bought and hung up a Hunter Biden painting
in your home, it would be an amazing conversation piece,
like everybody you had over and you have to do
a funny idea. Yeah, Like you'd have to do it
like they have at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, like
you know, plexiglass, maybe a light above it, and you
could play some some Vivaldi quietly in the background. That's
(13:29):
how you got to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
A Hunter Biden original would actually be hysterical to put
in my house. I would actually, I mean, it would
be amazing. It's like you know some people who are
really successful, they put up paintings of themselves, which is like,
I mean, it seems a little bit cocky to have
a painting of yourself in your own house, Like, yeah,
we know who you are at your house. There you
(13:50):
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and when you first walk into foyer would be amazing.
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Speaker 3 (15:00):
The party with us now? He is contributor, writes at
National Review. Twenty plus years as a federal prosecutor in
the Southern District of New York Andy. Great to have
you back. Let's just have you jump right into it.
The announcement yesterday of the charges against Hunter Biden. How
(15:21):
how much of a surprise or how big of a
deal is this in this whole case in your mind?
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Well, I don't want to say it's nothing burger. You know,
it's three felony gun charges. And even though I think
the Biden Justice Department did everything they could to sabotage
the case and make it disappear, they have brought these
charges and ultimately the sentencing will be up to the judge.
(15:50):
So you know, it's a it's a serious matter. Compared
to everything that's been uncovered in connection with the broader
Biden investigation, I think it's a drop in the Ocean.
I also don't think. I can't let it pass without
(16:10):
saying that the Justice Department in general, and Merrick Garland
and David Weiss in particular, did everything they could do
to sabotage the case, including the gun charges, which is
which are it's inexplicable. Well, inexplicable is the wrong word.
(16:32):
It's entirely explicable. But it was terribly wrong for them
to do that. And I think, you know, if you
think of what a prosecutor is, you shake your head
at this. If you instead think, as I do, that
Weiss's job was to make the case disappear with respect
to Joe Biden more than anything else, then everything falls
(16:54):
into place and everything makes perfect sense. Andy.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
You know there's an effort underway. Clearly, this is the
New York Times hunter. Biden could face twenty five years
in prison and seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in fines.
Here's a rundown of why the accusations against the President's
son and what makes the case unusual. I'm seeing two
things happening. We're being told and you know, as Andy
(17:17):
knows better than anybody, any federal felony you can get,
you know, years and years in prison. That's you know,
if you're going to take a plea, that doesn't really happen.
But it seems to me Andy, they're trying to make
it seem like Hunter is being treated unfairly in a
negative light by the Justice Department. Here, what do you
make of that?
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Yeah, it is pretty hilarious. I mean, here's a guy
who for five years has gotten the benefit of selective
exercises of prosecutorial discretion. In that case that would have
taken ten minutes to present to the grand jury in
which he's like guilty eight ways to Sunday, and would
(17:55):
have been would have taken about a month to investigate.
They've never brought the case. And they not only know
brought the case, they never filed any charges that would
stop the statute of limitations. They never went to his
lawyers and said, well, will negotiate a plea with you,
but then you have to waive the statute of limitations,
which is what prosecutors ordinarily do when they're in playe
(18:16):
negotiations with someone when the clock is running out. They
never did any of that stuff. This guy got the
complete benefit of all that. Then seven weeks ago they
bring him into court, and they actually try to make
the gun case disappear under circumstances where he's not eligible
on the Justice Department rules for diversion on this case.
(18:38):
And I must say, Buck, I think like the interesting
question here to me has always been it seems to
me that there's two guns, not one. All of the
charges that we've seen that we saw yesterday, the three
charges are in connection with a cult revolver, a thirty
eight special, and we've all seen because you can't unsee them,
(19:02):
these images from the New York Post where he seems
to be in a session where he's cavorting with a prostitute,
and it seems to be a drug induced or infused
session as it were. He's waving around a gun, and
that gun is not a revolver. It looks like a clock.
(19:23):
And that according to the what's been reported about this
video imagery, that happened on either October seventeenth or October
nineteenth of twenty eighteen, I think the nineteenth, So that's
within this eleven day period listed in the indictment, which
goes I think from what is it, October twelfth to
(19:45):
about the twenty third, So that's the second gun in
the mix here and we've never heard a word about it. So,
you know, the thought that this guy is being treated
unfairly under these circumstances is just it's it boggles the mind.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Andy, you talked about some of the IRS related issues. Okay,
so we've got the three felony charges brought on the
gun related issues, But you've been hammering this home about
the as it already happened with the fifteen and the
sixteen if I remember correctly, tax failure to pay taxes,
tax evasion. He totally is going to walk on that
(20:23):
because they allowed the statute of limitations to run out.
When are they going to bring these other charges at
least on seventeen and eighteen?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Andy?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And isn't that what everybody should be hammering now? Okay, great,
the gun charges have been brought, but the IRS charges
seem to be way more significant. You tell me if
you think I'm wrong on this, then the gun charges
in the first place, it seems like they're charging him
with the lighter of the offenses. And do we feel
like these IRS felony charges are.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Going to come? And if they are, when do they
need to come? And maybe where? Well?
Speaker 6 (20:57):
I think Clay. It's it's I think it's even worse
than that, because I don't think it's just tax charges.
If the evidence that is being uncovered by the by
the Congressional Committee, and it wouldn't shock me that Weiss
didn't uncover any of this evidence, because I don't think
they ever conducted an investigation here. But if what the
Congressional Committee is uncovering UH is going to end up
(21:21):
where I think it's leading. You could have you could
also have had money laundering charges and FARA charges Foreign
Agency Registration Act charges, as well as bribery charges. And
certainly if you look at what Muller did with Manifort,
you would think money laundering and FARAH charges would be
on the table in addition to tax. The statute of
(21:43):
limitations is just five years on most federal crimes. It's
six years on the relevant tax evasion crimes in this case.
So already everything that is in that is a normal
federal statute of limitations crime, a five year crime. Everything
before twenty eighteen is gone, and with respect to the
(22:05):
tax stuff, everything before twenty seventeen is gone. And I
can't help but think that the reason that Weiss handled
the case. The way he did was his job was
to make the case go away against Joe Biden twenty
fourteen and fifteen. It's actually twenty fourteen through twenty sixteen,
or the major years on Barisma, the China stuff, which
(22:27):
is two different schemes, go through about twenty thirteen to
twenty seventeen. Some of the other stuff that we've been here,
like the Yolina bat Arena, the three and a half
million to Hunter that was twenty fourteen, all this stuff
is gone. You know, the sky did nothing. He didn't
he didn't bring any charges. Usually, as a federal prosecutor,
(22:47):
if you're negotiating, if you're in plean negotiations with the lawyers,
you get them to waive the statue of the limitations,
and if they won't do it, then you get your
you know, you get into the grand jury and in
diet so that you stop the clock. But if you're
trying to make the case go away, then you do
exactly what he's done here.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And not only that, and to your point, it's awfully
convenient that all the tax charges from when Joe Biden
was still in office are also the ones that vanished
right when he was still Vice president, because then you
could go into whether his role and performance in office
was improperly influenced by Hunter, which is even more significant
(23:28):
obviously than the idea of him doing something out of office.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Right, Clay, I think all you need to know about
that is that the nice people at Parisma, when Joe
was no longer vice president, they slash Hunter's salary in half.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, total.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I mean, I don't know how much more blunt it
could do than that.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Right, No, Nadie, what do you think of the chances
that Hunter actually sees the inside of a prison cell
at any point over this stuff? Well?
Speaker 6 (24:01):
See, now this gets to this gets to the human element.
To me, fuck more than the than the lawyer element.
I have to say, if this was one of my
sons and I had the power to pardon, there's no
way you would ever put one of my sons in prison,
Not for me what happened. So uh And I don't
(24:25):
you know, I say this with sympathy for Biden as
a human being, As somebody who's a parent, you know,
I get that it would be a terrible abuse of
power and the honorable thing to do if you use
your power to help your family out in that way,
and to help yourself, by the way would be to
resign right after doing it. But I can't imagine that. Biden,
(24:47):
who you know, Look, I think I've said this a
million times. I think all the people who say Biden's
lost the stuff, Yeah, maybe he lost the step, but
he was always you know, he was an imbecile for century.
So nobody who's followed him like I followed him for
all these years could be surprised by some of the
(25:07):
stuff that we've seen. But at the same time, as
a personal matter, you know, he lost his other son,
he lost his wife and another child. He's had a
very tragic life in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I have a lot of.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Sympathy for that. I lost my dad when I was
very young. It's a traumatic thing that you never ever
get over. And if you you know, if the question
with on that kind of a record is you have
your one remaining son who is tragically a narcotics addict,
(25:41):
who you know has been through very bad stuff and
undoubtedly put his family through very bad stuff. Are you
going to let him get sentenced to federal prison? I
just I don't see it well.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think that would do Sorry, sorry, but but I
think that's probably what you're building on too. Okay, from
a perspective, I think we agree that he's unlikely to
let his son ever go into uh, into a jail
or into any sort of prison. What does that do
politically in your mind? Andy, if he were to decide
to do something that no one has ever done with
(26:17):
the pardon power in the history of the United States,
and that is pardon his own son, I.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Think it's gonna it's gonna make a fool out of
me play because I've been the one who's saying all
along that I don't think Trump can win. I just
don't think, like the math doesn't work. And I think
if Biden does something like we're talking about UH, all
bets are off.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's so destructive politically to him that you think Trump
could win ahead to head battle with Biden. That's how
that's how destructive it could be.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Yeah, well, I mean, I don't want to suggest that
it's a it's a it's an isolation. Right. The economies
a mess. We could be heading into a recession, which
is a catastrophe for a president to try to run on.
His record's been awful. He's destroying the country. He's completely
(27:13):
decimating important institutions in the country. He's a very unpopular figure,
and if he given what his age is, you have
to take into account that if anything were to happen
to him, Kamala Harris becomes president. I mean, that's such
a toxic combination of things. If you throw on top
(27:36):
of it that he abuses his power. I assume if
he's going to cross the rubicon, he's not just going
to pardon Hunter. He's going to pardon you know, whoever
in his family is implicated in the influence peddling scheme.
It'd be very hard to survive all that politically.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I don't think there's any doubt. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Hey, I hope you enjoy my Braves winning the sixth
straight NL East title.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh oh, you're killing me. I thought the week. I
start the week with Rogers and I end the week
with that.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
It's a tough time for New York sports fans.
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Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Let's talk
migrant crisis NYC. Little bit of update for you on
this one. There was a meeting with Alexandria Ocazio or Okazio, Cortes,
Jerry Nadler, a bunch of prominent Democrats outside of a
(29:45):
hotel in Manhattan that is now a relief center for
asylum seekers. And there were some folks who were present
who were not happy with the fact that New York
City is now America's largest refugee camp. And that is
a from a definition perspective, an accurate statement they are
(30:06):
taking in asylum seekers or refugees. Also, the numbers on
this Clay, I thought this was interesting. There was a
city councilwoman, I think it was a city council woman Vernikov.
If memory serves that I saw share the asylum numbers
for what percentage recently eighty ninety percent of the people
coming from Central America other parts of Latin America, for example,
(30:29):
don't get asylum when they're actually up for because they're
not asylum seekers. Right. The whole point here is the
system is being scammed. Asylum is I can't be in
my country because I'm in physical danger, or I'm being
oppressed because of my religion or something that is different
than I want to be in a country with a
better economy, in a massive welfare state. Here I am.
(30:49):
That's called immigration. That's not asylum seeking or refugee status.
But they claim to be refugees because they're scamming the
whole system. Everybody has to remember that. So they're running
massive refuge camps now in New York City. I've been
to other refugee camps elsewhere in the world, so I
know something about refugee camps. And here is what it
sounded like outside the hotel as these democrats are in
(31:12):
there to make this even more comfortable, more funding, and
better for the illegal aliens who have gathered in New
York City. Play it. The American dream. Will not be bullied.
It's a submission today. We will continue to fight for
the American dream.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
We will not be bully.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
We'll We're not be pushing to a corner.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
We will fight for these common sense solutions.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Can I just be clear? Apparently that was Representative Adriano Espayat,
Did I get that right? If I nailed that? When
I'm proud of myself, first time I've seen that name
Democrat of New York who is saying, Clay, the American
dream now is you get to enter illegally, you get
(31:59):
to why about the need for you to stay. You
get taxpayers to pay for your food, housing, clothing, and
all healthcare everything else, and then you're supposed to be
able to get work permits. That's the American dream now,
according to Democrats who are speaking at this migrant center
in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And what's important about this, Buck, is those are Democrat
voters screaming at buy and large Democrat congressmen and women.
So Democrats. Now, there's a pretty consistent position on the
Republican side, right. It is, let's have border security. Let's
not have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming across
(32:41):
the border every couple of days. I saw Bill Malujin
just put out a tweet in the last twenty minutes, Buck,
the Biden administration. Things are so crowded now on the
border that the Biden administration is putting migrants on buses
and now dropping them off in San Diego.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Did you see that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I mean, maybe we can grab that audio, but they're
telling those illegal immigrants you're free to go like you
you're just go out and do whatever you want. I mean,
this is crazy. But Democrats don't have an answer for this.
They out they're finally fighting internally over this, but they
should based on what the Democrat party position has been.
(33:22):
This will be a shock. If you go back, you
could find editorials by the editorial board of the New
York Times as recently as let's say ninety eight, maybe
ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, I go back. As you know, I grew
up in a New York Times subscribing household to Clay,
so I used to read it all the time. Then
we switched to the Wall Street Journal years later. The
Times used to be a better paper in the nineties,
even if it was liberal. Now it's obviously just communist nonsense.
But they would back in the nineties write editorials about
illegal immigration and talk about how it was unfair to
(33:57):
other migrants, how it suppressed win ages for the working class,
how it particularly created unfair competition for racial minorities already
in America, how it created They would actually make these
arguments from a Democrat perspective, that it was suppressing wages
and that it was an unfair drain on the welfare state.
(34:20):
Now with for the last twenty years or so, it
has switched to illegal immigrant. This is a nation of
illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are better than Americans in terms
of their work ethic, better than Americans in terms of
their law abiding nature. It's all propaganda. And what they're
finally forced to deal with is okay, so illegal migrants,
(34:42):
all they do is make everybody wealthier, better off. Say
for everything that's great. New York should be saying, send
another one hundred thousand, Yeah, send another one hundred thousand.
We want more instead. The mayor of New York City,
and now he's trying to walk it back, is saying
they are quote going to destroy this city, destroy it,
ruin it. Why are they ruining it? Everybody? The Democrat
(35:04):
Party told us for twenty years that illegal immigrants are
amazing and just make the country better in every respect. Clay,
there was no downside you were allowed to speak of
without being shouted down for being xenophobic and racist.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And that's what they tried to say about the idea
of the wall. And what I think you're seeing is
the number one issue that Biden is underwater on is
the border. And he's underwater on it, because everybody agrees
that it's a disaster. And I thought you succinctly summed
it up, you know, last year when you said Joe
(35:36):
Biden cares way more about the sanctity of Ukraine's border
than he does in the United States border. And I
think that is a pitch that works very well when
you go out and make an argument about what is
going on there, but when you're seeing now record because
remember Title forty two was ended, and it sound it
(35:58):
felt like and you see, if you agree with me
on this buck that there was almost a pause because
people weren't sure what the new policy was going to
be south of the border, and so there was a
huge influx before Title forty two expired. Then Title forty
two expires and things slowed down a little bit because
there was uncertainty as to what the policies were going
(36:19):
to be like. And now it's basically a huge, wide
open southern border and everybody is rushing back.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
The flood is the border again, That is all correct.
The flood is full on, back on, and you have
to remember the migrants that there are networks. They're speaking
to each other and word gets out through the smuggling networks.
When is a good time to go? And so if
there was a pause at the border at the end
(36:46):
of Title forty two, it would have only just been
a you could call it a strategic pause to see
can we still get in easily? Are they still doing
the same stuff? What's going on? Title forty two wasn't
blocking a lot of people who are coming in illegally anyway.
It just gave one tool that could be used, and
was used, particularly earlier on in the pandemic, more forcefully
(37:08):
to repatriate immediately people who weren't in the country legally.
But you know, you start to realize the erosion of
the rule of law that this represents is not a
minor thing, because if the government can just decide that
a person can be in the country illegally and just
because it is no longer illegal, they don't pass a
(37:29):
statue to this regard. They don't they don't actually clarify
this as a function of law. They just choose that
immigration law doesn't matter anymore. Clay, why should tax law matter?
Like why is hunter facing charges on possession of a gun?
I mean, what laws should we really enforce? Like what
does it mean when our immigration system. They keep saying
it is broken. That is a lie. The left, the
(37:50):
activists and the Kamis have broken it because what they've
done is morally blackmail the country effectively into refusing to
enforce immigration law. And by the way, a lot of
Republicans go along with this too. A lot of Chamber
of Commerce donor class Republican politicians and you know, all
throughout the spectrum are like, we need the cheap I
(38:11):
got into a huge fight with some very famous Republicans
at the table that I cannot name. So was off
the record, Clay not long ago. It was actually on
a on a this is how I spend my This
is before Carrie. I was spending what's the fancy the
Heart Holiday? What is it called?
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Same?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Not Valentine the Heart Valentine's Day? Sorry, I said, by
like such a long term bachelor. There was a stupid
Heart holiday whatever it is that the stupid cubid and
the bows and the arrows.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, I can't. I can't tell you over the years
how many dates I was like, you know, didn't go.
I was like the Heart Holiday.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I was like, is there, like, is there a Pediatric
Association hall? Like, yeah, the Heart holiday Valentine's Day.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
But I was at I was at a dinner and
and and one, and there were a couple of people
and it was off the records, I can't say, but
there's some very well known right wingers who were there.
And there was a donor class person, let's just say,
a very wealthy donor class person. And all this person
kept saying was we need more illegals because I need
to hire them for the businesses, big, big businesses. And
I kept saying, what about Americans? And you know what
(39:18):
the response kept being, They're too expensive. Yeah, well, folks,
guess what, there's a reason that they can get paid less.
And there are reasons that involve also all the social
services that are going to go to support the illegals,
as in what you see in New York City society.
It's socializing the costs of bringing these people in illegally
(39:40):
and then maximizing the profits for one small sector that
writes checks to the right politicians. This is what has
broken the system. Our immigration laws are actually rather straightforward
if you want to read them and look at what
they say.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Listen to this woman buck Cut twenty eight. She is
we were just playing in New York City. The politicians
getting yelled down as they're trying to discuss this crisis
in New York City. Listen to this woman, who I
think is speaking for a huge majority of Americans. Listen
to Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
My message is close the border vet. These people, like,
how come they get to cut the line in front
of millions of people waiting. They're waiting to come to
America the right way, but they get like pushed in
front the migrants. So the legal migrants they get everything.
They put them first, put America Americans last. We need
(40:32):
to be America first, not Americans last. Do you think
that IOC was responsive to messages like this. No, she
cut her little parts conference early because she kept on
talking the same thing. Housing for migrants, work for migrants,
But what about our homeless veterans, what about our homeless Americans?
She puts them, puts the migrants first, us last.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
That's a black woman in AOC's congressional district who she
sounds like Donald Trump. She sounds like Donald Trump in
twenty sixteen. And that's why I think you are starting
to see so many people in the working class community
who would have been traditionally Democrat voters starting to repudiate
(41:16):
and reject Democrat positions on immigration. I mean, I thought,
I mean again, that's a black woman, and I believe
in AOC's congressional district in New York City, you just
heard it that basically is Donald Trump immigration polic.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I mean, you know, they'll say that it's the Democrats
to shut people up and to keep people from learning
the truth about all the illegality around our immigration system.
What it means, what it does, how it overstretches border patrol,
How it makes the border completely wide open for the
fentanyl that is poisoning not just the one hundred thousand
plus who die of overdoses every year, but poisoning whole communities.
(41:52):
For every person who dies a fentil, there's a family
that is forever shattered. For every person who dies of fentthil,
there's somebody who's selling that drug that individual, and it's
facing decades in prison if they are caught ruining that family.
The poison that pours across the border because of the illegality,
it is hard to put into context, It is hard
to put into words. And the only reason this is
able to continue is because the Democrats lie to you
(42:14):
about it. And when they say it's racist, go walk around.
You know, I'm here in Miami. Go walk around. Ask
a lot of Latinos in Miami, what do you think
about illegal immigration? You don't you get to hear from
most of them. I came here legally. Why should they
come here illegally? I came here the right way. I
had to wait, my family had to wait. I spent
money on lawyers. They can just walk across the border.
That's not right. Hmm. Almost like again, people are being
(42:39):
lied to on this AOC and all the rest of them.
They are lying to you about the realities of immigration
and the border and what's really happening. If there is,
by the way, a giant neon sign for how I
think assuming Trump. People have been getting mad at me,
by the way, saying Trump is not that. If I
don't say Trump is the nominee, people get mad at me.
If I say Trump is the nominee, people get mad.
(43:00):
I'm just I'm just saying he's way ahead right now, folks.
He's obviously not the nominee technically, but he's clearly way
way ahead. So we're just dealing with the realities we
see it. But Clay, immigration is the issue that Trump
can win this election on. I really believe that it's
how he won twenty sixteen. I think immigration in twenty
twenty four is, and his arguments for what he did
(43:23):
on immigration, I will say, actually, this is some of
the stuff he said the mag Kelly interviews is there's
actually a case to be made that the continuation of
what he was doing was all that's needed in order
to accomplish the goal. So I think that's a particularly
powerful place for him to go anyway that immigration gets
me fired.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
That was, by the way, Caitlin Seinclaire's report from New
York City interviewing that woman.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
That's pretty fabulous, Hurt.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I mean that clip that we played for you, I
think that's going to go viral, and I think it's
going to go viral because I think that woman is
speaking for a lot of people Democrats Republicans all over
the country who were fed up with an open border.
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Speaker 1 (45:03):
Keefing it real, keeping it honest. Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
everybody hanging out with us. We are joined now as.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
We come down the home stretch of the Friday edition
of the program by Gerard Baker, former editor in chief
of the Wall Street Journal, now the editor at Large.
He's got a new book, American Breakdown, Why we no
longer trust our leaders and institutions and how we can
rebuild confidence. I'm looking forward to hearing some of your
(45:36):
takes here, Gerar, but I want to start, and thanks
for coming on with us. Love the newspaper, love the
work you guys do at the Wall Street Journal. With
what I would say is the biggest story of the
week so far, and it's actually Joe Biden under siege.
Washington Post top columnist says he shouldn't run Hunter Biden
indicted a lot of people out there saying that it's
(45:58):
time for Biden to step down.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Do you think Joe Biden will be.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
The Democrat nominee next year running for reelection or do
you think it'll be someone else?
Speaker 9 (46:07):
I thanks very much Indeve having me on. It's very
kind of you, and a good Friday afternoon to you
and your listeners. I still think he will be I mean,
you're absolutely right, it is. There does seem to be
something afoot That columnist in the Washington Post. You've talked
about some of the polling that we've seen out recently,
some of the kind of you know, more chatter about
(46:28):
Biden's poor performance of that press conference in Vietnam. No,
I think what's going on still. I think the problem though,
that they have is they don't have a plausible alternative,
and that's really the Democrats problem. I think, you know, Joe,
but I think I think the reason we're hearing about
this right now is that for a long time, it's
been the conventional wisdom in Washington, wrong as usual as
(46:50):
the conventional wisdom usually is, but it's been the conventional
wisdom that for all Joe Biden's faults, he'll beat Donald Trump.
Donald Trump can't win the presidency, he can't win the general,
actually can win the Republican primary, he can't win the presidency.
I've always thought that was wrong. I've always done as nonsense.
I think, with the economy likely weakening next year, I think, actually,
you know, the polling already shows Trump at least neck
and neck with Biden. He could he could certainly win.
(47:10):
And I think that realization that he could win that
Biden could lose is starting to seepin, and I think
that's starting to make some Democrats panic a little bit
and think, oh god, we maybe not only we got
this old guy who really isn't up to the job anymore,
but after all that he may lose to Trump. Their
problem is, though, I don't think they have an alternative.
Who's if he steps down? Who's it going to be?
Kamala Harris probably is the inside track. You know, that's Frankly,
(47:32):
I'm know Joe Biden fan, but that scares me even
more than Joe Biden than another four years of Joe
Biden or you know, Gavin Newsoon, Gretchen Whitner. I mean,
these are not these are not you know, names that
I think are likely to be a shoe in or
even frankly, likely to be the favorite against Donald Trump.
So I kind of think they're stuck with Biden.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Gerard, thanks for being here where there's so your book
American breakdown Why we no longer trust our leaders and
institutions and how we can rebuild confidence? Why do we
no longer trust leaders and institutions? What has changed? What
have we learned? What have we seen? That you get
into in this book. As people are going off onto
their weekends. Here, I think it's worth getting into some
of the underlying foundational philosophical issues here.
Speaker 9 (48:15):
So I think there are factors. There are multiple factors
that explain why people have lost trust in the major institutions,
and the numbers are incredibly striking. I went back and
looked in detail at Gallup takes these regular surveys. Other
organizations do too, and trust as a whole in government, media, education,
(48:36):
science and technology, big business, across the board, in all
of these major institutions that kind of lead American life.
Trust has collapsed in the last twenty or thirty years
or so. Just it's down across the board now. I
think that's due to a number of factors that have
to do with the specific institutions themselves. Frankly, people have
decided that government lies to them, which who can blame them?
(48:57):
Government has done a terrible performance in many ways over
the last twenty years. It's got very big and it's
not doing things that people like, and I think that
reason people don't trust the government.
Speaker 6 (49:07):
The media.
Speaker 9 (49:08):
We all know the stories of how the media quite frankly,
have become you know, made stories up in the last
few years, have become increasingly partisan, increasingly biased, increasingly in
pursuit of an agenda big business. Big business has become
incredibly woke. It's become globalists. It's very much focused on
you know, global markets and global profits at the expense
of Americans. So again, all of these things have been
(49:29):
going on. If there's a defining common characteristic, though, I
would say, and this is what I read about in
the book, I think it is this these elites that
have taken control of these institutions, These people who all
think alike. They have the same kind of views. They
have the same views on American history, and they have
the same views on race and gender and immigration and
the importance of you know, global cooperation and global integration.
(49:53):
They have taken they've seized control of these all of
these institutions, and they are they are an elite. I
don't really like using that word, but they basically are
an elite. They are they have values that are fundamentally
at odds with the values of most Americans and the
country this country was. I'm an immigrant, you can probably
tell from my accident. Came here thirty years ago. I've
been a journalist in this country for thirty years. This
(50:14):
is the greatest country on Earth. It's history has been
one of extraordinary success, built on the values that it
was founded on. Obviously, it's needed to reform. A lot
of bad things have gone on in American history, But
the great achievement of America and the genius of America,
is that it's been able to reinvent itself and recreate itself,
and based on fidelity to those core values. I think
(50:35):
we are, unfortunately now in all of our key institutions,
led by people, almost all of them anyway, who don't
really share those values, and who want to drive, who
don't really want who don't really want America to be America.
They want America to be kind of like a like
a European country, a social democratic country, or even you know,
even maybe an Asian country. They don't share those values.
So I think that's why people fundamentally don't trust their
leaders anymore.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Is this something that a president can cure the right president,
or do you think it's something that's written at the core,
And if so, how do you fix it.
Speaker 9 (51:04):
It's going to require a president, It's going to require
legislation probably, it's going to require transformation of the legal system.
I think we're already seeing that in terms of the
direction of the Supreme Court. Look, I mean, one of
the things I look at in the book is the history.
If there's good news in this book, it's that we've
been here before. I mean, America's had these periods before
where you know, trust in their leading institutions has declined sharply,
(51:28):
where people feel alienated from their leading institutions. Look at
look at the nineties, the late nineteen sixties, in particular ninety.
I always say to people who throw up their hands
and say, oh my god, things are terrible today, go
back and look at ninety sixty eight. Ninety sixty eight.
We had, you know, hundreds of Americans were dying every
week in a war. We had political assassinations, major political assaations.
We had political violence across the country, we had terrorism.
(51:50):
The country was tearing itself apart. And you know, it
did overcome those divisions took a while. First of all,
Richard Nixon was elected in sixty eight and then re
elected with a huge majority in seventy two talked about
the silent majority, and I think some extent he was
right about that. Obviously, talking of trust, I mean, his
presidents ended in a collapse of trust with Watergate, and
then we got through to the rest of the seventies
in a pretty pretty shambolic way. And then we got
(52:13):
Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty so a president can And then,
by the way, that's when in the nineteen eighties, that's
when once again people did have faith in American faith
in America's institutions and leadership. So it takes time, it
takes presidential intervention, it takes legislation, it takes but above all,
it takes a cultural change. And I think it takes
people standing up and saying, you know, we're not And
(52:35):
I think this is already happening. I think again, there's
more good music because I think that's already happening. They're
standing up and saying, we are going to assert American values.
We're going to assert these ideals, and we're going to
take our country back. And I think that again, that
is beginning to happen. It'll take time, but I'm confident
that we'll get there.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Gerard Baker, his book American Breakdown, Why why we no
longer trust our leaders and institutions and how we can
rebuild confident in Skeetch your copy today, go check it out,
and uh, Gerar, thanks so much for being with us,
appreciate it. Thanks having me. Keep up the good work
at the Wall Street Journal. I was gonna say thank
you for doing this like a major broadsheet, you know,
a major newspaper that we can subscribe to. So we've
(53:13):
no h thanks you, Bill keep.
Speaker 9 (53:15):
I'm so glad you do. Thank you for thank you
for reading, and thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Absolutely yeah, I do. My dad does, my brothers do
you know? We all we all like the journal, uh Clay.
It's also a huge advantage to have a cool accent.
I'm just going to say, no, no doubt huge. I'm
sitting here and just like man, imagine if I could
do a radio show with that accent, I'd be amazing. Anyway,
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