November 17, 2023 • 51 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate Buck keeping the ship afloat yesterday as
we roll into what, for many of you will be
the last day before you head out all over the country,
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potentially for Thanksgiving. I know the Travis family is going
to be on the road starting tomorrow to head all
over the place, and I know many of you will
as well. I'm going to try to bring you some
sanity and what is unfortunately becoming an even more insane world.
We've got all sorts of stories to track, but in
particular everything falling apart with the Israeli Palestinian relationship as
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it pertains to the politics here in the United States,
to say nothing of what's going on in Gaza, Joe
Biden not surprisingly sliding on his own classified documents issue.
We will discuss the latest on that this story happened yesterday, Buck,
while you were while you were on the air, and
I happened to catch the thing trending on Twitter. Major
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League Baseball has returned the All Star Game to Atlanta,
which effectively acknowledges that Jim Crow.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Two point zero was a complete lie.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And this story, to me, Buck, is emblematic of so
much that occurs in America today. And I actually saw
it as somewhat connected to COVID for those of you
who didn't know, and that maybe a decent number of
you out there Major League Baseball bought into. Remember Joe
Biden running around saying that the Georgia voting law wasn't
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just Jim Crow, it was Jim Eagle. And he did
the speech trying to claim that this was the worst
thing basically that had happened to the country since the
Civil War, if I remember correctly, Buck, He tried to
say that anyone that was involved in this Georgia votvoting
bill was basically on the side of the Confederacy and
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Jefferson Davis. And it was a really strange historical argument.
It's all why all of it was a lie. Stacey
Abrams and Joe Biden got the national media to buy
into the idea that by strengthening voting rules in the
state of Georgia that somehow black people were going to
be discriminated against. And this was a return to the
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Jim Crow era South and this was going to be
totally unacceptable, and it became such a major narrative story
that Major League Baseball pulled the All Star Game out
of Atlanta. Buck then the twenty twenty two election happens.
There are zero issues with any black voters anywhere in
the state. They had I believe, record turnout in twenty
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twenty two compared to the prior midterm in twenty eighteen.
And we know, unfortunately herschel Walker lost, the Reverend Rafael
Warnock won. Every other statewide office won comfortably by seven
or eight points by Republicans, including Brian Kemp, trouncing Stacy Abrams.
And now yesterday Rob Manford, the commissioner of Major League Baseball,
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just comes out and says, oh, we're returning the All
Star Game to Atlanta now for twenty twenty five. Well,
at the last moment, they had moved it to Denver,
and they had tried to say it was because they
wouldn't stand for voter disenfranchisement. And now they're coming back.
The law is still in effect, and there are no
consequences for Major League Baseball getting this completely wrong. For
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everyone in the media who ran with this story as
being completely wrong, there's almost no acknowledgment of it at all.
And Buck what it ties in with me is there
is no actual consequences for significant things that people get
wrong when the facts develop and the truth comes out.
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There's just a totally memory holding of stories like these
and almost no one ever acknowledges that they ever belie
even in the first place. And it's just emblematic I
think of what we're seeing in so many facets of
life when left wing stories collapse.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I mean, I haven't watched a baseball game in like
twenty five years, so I'm not super up on the
latest with MLB in terms of how woke it is
or how it stacks up against the other leagues. But
you know, to your point about the cowardice and consequences,
people don't executives who make these kinds of decisions really
at any corporation these days, you never get fired for
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trying to bend the need of the wokeness. And so
as long as that continues, you're going to see more
of this, and people just realize, or people believe, I
should say, that this is just the safer option for
them all the time, and that's why you have what
you have By the way, you know there are protesters
right now in you know Clay Clay works for Fox News.
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I do not, Yes, Clay was at the Patriotard Jester edgewoo,
which'll tell us a little bit about later this hour.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
But there are protesters in the Fox News lobby.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And what I just wonder is, what do they think
that they're doing other than just annoying people because they're
miserable malcontents who support terrorists. Like, I'm just wondering, what
do they think trespassing in the Fox News lobby is
really good? Do they think that someone's going to walk
into Fox News and be like, you know what, Bid Lawden.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Did have a point and Hamas isn't that bad?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Like what are these idiots doing other than just harassing
people basically because they're miserable.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And by the way, and the Patriot Awards were fantastic.
I know, I met a bunch of our listeners. I
appreciate everybody who came out streamed on Fox Nation this show.
By the way, I don't know if this is public yet,
I might as well go ahead and say it. This
show will be streaming on Fox Nation behind the paywall
at Fox Nation for all three hours starting in the
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next few months. So, by the way, if you're out
there and you don't have a great radio signal for
some reason, or you want for some reason to see
spectacular images video wise of you and me every day, you.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Want to see if Klayin Bucker having good hair days. Okay,
that's not going to get any of you to watch.
I do have a puppy that I will have in
my lap sometimes because I have to babysitter during the
radio show.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Your puppy is one of the cutest puppies that I
have ever seen. Like, I'm very happy, I have to
be honest, like when we were just down in Miami.
But it actually goes beyond that buck because there's a
recent article talking about how many Jewish people are putting
on Fox News because Fox News is just pointing out
that Israel has the right to defend itself, and so
many left wing news organizations refuse to adopt that perspective.
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And I actually think this is the best thing that
could happen to Fox News. Crazy Palestinian protesters showing up
in the lobby. You've been in that lobby a ton
of times. Their security all through there, so they're trespassing.
I don't know what they'll eventually do to get them out.
Maybe they're already gone, because I haven't seen an update recently.
But it just makes Fox looks super rational, and it
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just makes normal people look rational.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, this is like whatever, there's a conservative speech on campus.
I always say this, the best thing that can happen
is a bunch of blue haired, shrieking banshees show up
screaming about like fascism and white supremacy and you know whatever. Yeah,
because that video that then goes online is the best
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advertisment for the left.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Is insane.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And oh, by the way, go see you know, go
see this speech by so and so right. I mean,
there's nothing that is more helpful. And in the case
of Fox News, there's a cable news network that, after
Israel's nine to eleven, is generally approaching the issue in
terms of coverage, but certainly in terms of commentary and
editorial as a moment of moral clarity. Yes, and that
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is Fox News. And Fox News stands with Israel and
the Jewish people after this attack, and of course after
all the anti Semitic protests that we've seen. Meanwhile, MSNBC
is like, like, hey, guys, let's kind of watch the
pro Hamas pro terrorist Bin Laden had good ideas stuff
a little bit on their staff. They got a whole
different range of views over there.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And it's not just MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I'm sure you saw Buck Gail King with the father
of the hostage, lecturing the father of the hostage about
the fact that bad things were happening to Palestinian people
too on CBS This Morning, which I think is a
CBS This Morning whatever their morning show is called. I
just I watched that video and I just thought to myself,
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can you imagine having had a child who is captive
by Hamas for coming up on what six weeks now,
and you're trying to do everything you can to get
that child back, and you sit across the accounter from
somebody on a on a morning show and she's like, well,
you know, bad things are happening to Hamas too. It's like, yeah,
I wish there weren't awful things happening in the world.
I just want my kid back. And so you trying
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to moral equival equivocate what's going on with Israel and
Hamas when my kid has been held hostage for two months.
To my knowledge, Buck, Israel has never had any Hamas
kids hostage for two months so far as I know,
in the history of their existence as a country. Maybe
I've missed it. Maybe they're regularly grabbing infants and holding
the hostage and not returning them.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
But there's a million ways you can set up the
the the clear difference here.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You know, if a if a Heimas fighter, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Was was wounded and surrendered on the battlefield and was
no longer an active threat, you know, the Israelis would
would capture him, take him, give him medical care, and
give him a judicial proceeding of some kind. If an
Israeli id F fighters captured by Hamas, I mean, they
would commit Isis level horrific tortures, mutilation and murder. Yes,
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these differences exist, They are real. This is not just
some construct that we haven't in the West, and you
know this is in this country, I think, Clay, we've
been talking about it. You really see, especially with the
there's this effort to kind of conflate BLM and that
machinery with the Palestinian cause there's been a lot of that.
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You know, you've seen people and there's a little less
now of the you know, trans rights for Palestine, because
I think that people have started to realize that the
mockery is too obvious there with you definitely don't want
to be a trans person in Gaza. That would not
be a Hamas would not take well to that. Yes,
But but the race issue here is so the left.
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It basically the left is so obsessed with race that
it almost can't you know, it's like when everything when
all you have is a hammer, you know, everything looks
like a nail. They can't view this outside of a
racial lens that is entirely inapplicable and at best distorted when.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Applied to this conflict.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
This isn't just you know, white people, brown people and
oppressor or un oppressed, and that's not reality.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
No, exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And it is a failure of and I know you
talked about this yesterday, it is a failure of American
society that we have, to a large degree with kids
lost the ability.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
To distinguish between good and evil.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
And I think a big part of that is because
most of what kids experience in America is not in
the prism of good versus evil. Because most things that
happen in America are pretty good right to your point,
you can have basically any sexual issue attraction in America
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and have pretty good for you, right. And so I
think so many people have lost concept of what the
rest of the world is like, that they have bought
into this idea that America is evil and as a result,
they aren't able to see and distinguish between good and
evil in the real world. And that is incredibly troubling.
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And we talked about this for a while. When this
initial attack on October seventh happen, you will get the
numbers for people under the age of thirty five, they're
basically fifty to fifty on who's that faultier, Israel or Amas.
And if you're over sixty five, it's a ninety five
to five issue. Why do older people have such greater
sense of moral clarity, right and wrong, good and evil
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in this country than young people. I think it's because
we failed a young generation of Americans in creating this
artificial dynamic which you're discussing, which is white equals bad,
brown equals good, and in Matt rubric has to be
applied no matter what.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
In every single storyline. I mean, if you look at.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
The rise in the usage in the media, and there
have been studies on this, so this is something that's
just a data driven a data driven reality. The rise
in the use of not just racism, but white supremacy
and white supremacist and all of a sudden in the
last ten ten or so years, America has become obsessed
with anti racism, anti whiteness, all these different white supremacy,
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these different concepts, and that has had real effect, I think,
particularly on the on the younger generation. I think on
I think people who are under the age of thirty,
when they think about politics, they're first the first thing
they go to is well, what are the skin colors
of the people involved? Or you don't think about a conflict,
what are the skin colors of the people involved? And
that's how they that is their fundamental framework for how
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you deal when it comes to police, when it comes
to you know, law enforcement issues in general, when it
comes to economics in society, and certainly when it comes
to armed conflict. They take this approach of like, well,
you know, what are the historical injustices and what are
the races of the people involved? And we see that,
I mean you saw yesterday, I know you were busy
with the with the Fox stuff that you were tuning
in and out sometimes, And we talked about this thing
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on TikTok of people saying JN.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Loaden had a point. Yeah, I just if.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You think Ben Laden had a point in his letter
to America, bin Laden would have free license to kill
any number of Americans in any way for any length
of time because he's upset because there's some things that
bother him.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I mean, there's there's no limitation, there's no laws of war,
there's no ethics, there's no morality. It's I don't like
what America is doing in these places, so I can
kill everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And people went along with this.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh and by the way, I asked, you know b
Lan's opinion on like gays and minorities. I don't think
the left would like them if they really knew them.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And women and women.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, just the general collapse, I will say I find
it to be clarifying and important, and it has been
illuminating to me and I know to many of you
to see exactly how broken many of our institutions and
our groups are.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I mean, imagine for a second, if there was a
major if there was a major trending and it was,
you know, all over going viral that there were people saying,
you know, Timothy McVeigh, you know, I think that guy
had some really interesting thoughts and I think we should
go back and like look at his manifesto.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Country the media people be like uniformly horrified, right, And
yet yesterday it was that Bin Lauden, I mean Laden
had some interesting ideas. This is this is how far
the brain rot has gone to the cerebral cortex of
the left.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Think about this book. What if Dylan Ruth had the
Charleston shooter who walked into and killed all the black
people in the church in Charleston, what if he had
published a manifesto and it was trending on TikTok and
it was like, hey, you know what, Dylan Roof had
some really good points to make. I mean again, they
would immediately condemn it because it is a white person
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who is evil. But when there is someone who is
not white that is engaged in completely evil acts, they
lack the ability to acknowledge and and condemn it.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
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Speaker 3 (15:49):
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Speaker 2 (16:43):
Last Queen can jumfibent in Laye, Travis and buck.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Sexty which makes everyone ask the obvious question, why didn't
they just do this before. If cleaning things up and
making things nice and safe and getting rid of the
encampments and everything was something that could be done quickly, why.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Not just let that happen or do that right away?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But they did it for Biden's meeting with Shi Jinping
the premiere. It's a nice way of saying the communist
dictator of China. But the continued deterioration in cities and
clay yesterday, you know that guy got found guilty who
attacked Pelosi's husband with the hammer, yes, which was quite
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a lapse in security at the Speaker's house, right, I mean,
there's like supposed to be a Capitol Hill police protection
and this guy just got into the house and anyway,
but it goes to there are people that are a
danger to the public who are roaming the streets in cities,
and larger numbers than what we had seen pre COVID era.
I should I shouldn't say pre COVID ever, I'm sorry
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about that pre BLM era because that's actually what it
had nothing to do with COVID. Really, the change in
crime in the cities that had everything to do with BLM,
which just happened to be in the same era or
same year as COVID in twenty twenty. But you're seeing
this in a lot of cities. You're seeing the problems
play out. And this was interesting because one thing that
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will that I think people need to be disabused of
is the notion play that it's a function of resources.
If only we had more resources in these cities. Now,
resources matter, I'm not going to pretn they don't. Of course,
you need policing. That's why defund police was so bad.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But there's also a political will component to all of this.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You see that in San Francisco, right they've decided we're
going to clean up the streets and get rid of
the encampments, and they do it. So there must be resources,
they just don't usually want to do it or don't
want to use them in that way. In Memphis, Tennessee,
Memphis has a very high violent crime rate, unfortunately as
a city. The police chief here said, well, I'll let
you hear what he had to say and why this
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is getting some attention Play eighteen.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I don't care if we had the entire United States
Army here in the city of Memphis, if we continue
to see the same individuals come in crimes, you know,
arresting a way out of this is not possible.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Okay, Clai, this is the key. This is true in Memphis,
It's true in every city that's having a crime problem.
You speak to anyone in law enforcement, and the the
biggest public safety issue that could be solved right away
is repeat offenders. Okay, that's or are that they are
the biggest threat. Repeat offenders meaning people who have been arrested.
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I'm not talking once or twice. That's the stuff that
we were all polls that we could get into the
defund police era and BLM and all this stuff. Oh
somebody stole like a pair of socks and the three
strike law sent them away for twenty years, or they
had one you know, marijuana joint on them and you know,
now their life is ruined.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
So we were told to go, okay, look, we want
to be.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
People should get second chances, and people shouldn't be overly
punished for minor things where there's no we're talking about
people that have been arrested for violent crimes dozens of times.
We're talking about people that are clearly a menace to
public safety. And there's just been this decision that has
been embraced by the Democrat Party and Soros backed prosecutors
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that we all have to just deal with this and
live with this. And I think people are starting to
slowly wake up, even in some of the Democrat cities.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, there was an awful story out of Memphis that
did not get a lot of national attention. A doctor
who had recently moved to sat to Memphis to work
at the Saint Jude Hospital. And a lot of you
out there are familiar with the incredible work that Saint
Jude does for patients all over the country who are
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not able kids to get the cancer treatment or the
healthcare that they would otherwise be able and need to
be able to survive. They raised tens of millions of dollars.
I'm fortunate to have been a part of some of
the events that Saint Jude is involved in. A couple
of years ago, I was down for their big event
in Memphis, trying to help out the small amount that
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I could, and this doctor just I think moved to
Memphis six months ago. He was out with his baby,
newly born baby, and his wife for a walk in
a park and he was murdered. And this is emblematic.
We talked about the Gillian Ludwig I believe was her name,
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the Belmont University freshman in Nashville, who was just in
a park and she was shot by a serial felon
who should have never been on the streets, a random
act of violence. He wasn't even aiming at her, he
was just firing his gun and she ended up being
struck by a bullet.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And these stories.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Wherever you are listening to us right now, there is
a story that occurred in your hometown of someone who
was one hundred percent innocent, never did anything wrong at all,
and they were the victim of a violent crime, and
almost with one hundred percent certainty, the person who killed
them should have never been on this sh streets. Buck
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we talked about was that last summer. I think Eliza Fletcher,
the mother who went for an early morning job and
was murdered on that early morning job. You have innocent
people out there being killed, and it's because instead of
being behind bars, all of these violent criminals who should
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have never been on the streets in the name of
retributive social justice and the idea that it's racist because
too many criminals are black. They're putting them right back
out on the streets, and overwhelmingly the people who bear
the cost for that are black, right, I mean, and
there's huge percentages now of people out there, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
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I did a deep dive on this. Everybody wants more
cops and less crime in their communities. But what this
chief of police and Memphis is saying, Buck is even
if you had the whole army out there, if you
arrest people and immediately put them back.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
On the streets, doesn't matter. It's not a number game
that could be helped. Right.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, this is I heard this when when I was
working at the NYPD Intelligence Division.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I would talk to.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Some of the cops who had been, you know, turning
out of various precincts for decades in some cases, and
they would talk about the battle days in New York
in the early nineties.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's actually when New York was that it's worse.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
People think of New York in the seventies and it
was kind of this dystopian urban healthscape of decay, but
actually nineteen ninety ninety one was really the worst that
ever was. And they would say that they would arrest people,
and they would it would be the you know, one
hundredth arrest, and like, what do we do. We're supposed
to get this guy a cake. I me, he's supposed
to celebrate that he hit you know, one hundred. This
is insane. And think about how demoralizing that is, because
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what it means is that the cops have got somebody.
They've arrested him. He's been arrested so many times. He's
clearly not changing his ways, clearly does not care about law,
you know, it does not fear the consequences of law enforcement.
The prosecutor who are supposed to be processing this individual,
and and you know, defending public safety are just like
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a you know, like a turnstile in the subway which
nobody was paying for back in the day. And it's
just the whole thing starts to collapse and ever starts
to say what am I really doing? When you add
to that that cops can be prosecuted and and even
you know, lose their freedom for doing their jobs in
good faith because there's a video that's taken that shows them.
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You know, sometimes cops are going to wrestle somebody to
the concrete and like that doesn't look that doesn't look pretty.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's that's rough stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
But that is part of law enforcement, especially when bucket
can be a thirty second video that's part of a
four minute, five minute interaction, and they take the thirty
seconds and try to make look make it look like
it is not in the larger context in which.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
It was occurring.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And look, remember that it was an awful story. The
guy who was murdered by Memphis police officers story vanished,
by the way. The who if you were comparing the
story of what was that guy's name in Memphis, who
who was clearly a victim of police violence, beaten up
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by four or five different black police officers in Memphis,
you compare him to George Floyd, and you were looking
for someone who is actually the victim of police violence,
and you wanted somebody to be the face of it, it
would have actually been him. The problem was it was
black police officers doing it to him. So the story
almost completely vanished. I think the trials are coming up,
but nobody's really covering it. Yeah, And meanwhile that not
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not only is Derek Schauvin's trying to fight his his
conviction on federal civil rights charges, and you know, there's
I had never seen this, you know, there's a training
his defense unless I'm unless I'm misreading this.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I saw this online.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Found a training slide of officers putting a knee on
the on the sort of the shoulder neck area in
that way to hold somebody down, and that basically the department,
Minneapolis department, at least, this is part of the defense.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Now, the Minneapolis departments like, oh no, we didn't teach that.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Actually they did. Yeah, actually they were teaching this.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
As a restraint, and they just decided that that wasn't
that it was you know, misapplied in this case or
whatever the whatever it may be. And that George Floyd
died of heart failure, not of based on the coroner's report,
heart failure, not asphyxiation, yes, and had no damage to
his neck that would have been consistent with asphyxiation, and
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had a lethal amount offensel in his system, you know,
and you talk about this and people started to get
very oh, they started to get very tense and very uh. Oh,
I don't know. If you just go online, you can
read this yourself. And Derek Chauvin's get got twenty years
in prison.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
His life, his life.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I mean, Derek Chauvin was convicted because the jury was
afraid of what would.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Happen if they didn't convict Derek Chauvin.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I don't I don't think there's any doubt at all
about that, because implicit in the trial itself was the
threat of what violence would ensue if Derek Chauvin were
not held responsible. By the way, the Memphis individual who,
based on all the evidence, appears to have been totally innocent,
Tyree Nichols is his name, and the black police officers
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have been charged and we'll see what happens in those trials.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I believe one of them has already pled guilty and
the video is horrific.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But because he was a victim of black police violence,
story vanished. If that had been five white Memphis cops
beating the crap out of Tyree Nichols, would there would
be statues of Tyree Nichols everywhere instead of George Floyd.
There would have been riots for probably a month all
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over the country. But because he was a victim of
black violent police officer behavior, apparently based on the video,
just totally vanishes. But this has led to further lawlessness
all throughout Memphis, and innocent people, white, Black, Asian and
Hispanic are bearing the brunt of those crimes. I know
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a lot of people who have moved out of Memphis.
A lot of people who live in my area of
Tennessee are Memphis natives. You talk to them, they say,
if you have the ability to leave, you try to leave,
because if you've got a young family, the worst thing
that could happen is they become an innocent victim of
violence and you sit around for the rest of your
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life saying, why did I stay here when I could
have taken my family somewhere safer, Which is just an
awful situation to be in. I want to tell you
all about. We did a show yesterday the Patriot Awards.
I spent a lot of time with Frank Siller, and
they have named now at the Patriot Awards a Steven
Siller Award for everybody out there who is trying to
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do good, whether you're a police officer, whether you're a
member of first responders, whether you're an officer in the military,
whether you are serving your country, whatever you're doing to
try to make it better for people out there. Frank
Siller's trying to make things better for you. Now his
new push is to try to get as many homeless
veterans off the streets as he possibly can.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And I gotta tell you, I am blown away by.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
How phenomenal the work that Frank Siller and Tunnel to
Towers is doing. More important than ever as you see
viral awfulness like the response to Osama bin Laden's letter
spread throughout young America. It's more important than ever before
to remind people what happened twenty two years ago and
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what true evil is. And we've got to continue to
honor people like Bristol, Connecticut police Sergeant Dustin Demanti. After
responding to a domestic violence incident, he sustained fatal gunshot wounds.
He left behind his expectant wife and two kids. Thanks
to the generosity of people like you, Tunnel the Towers
paid the mortgage on the Demante family home, lifting a
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financial burden. I got to give you an update. You
probably heard about the tragic loss of life in the Mediterranean.
Five different military members believe it was a helicopter a
crash lost their lives starting a Frank Siller. They've already
tracked now, you know, and his family that is the
Ramonders already taken more. I saw you last night, Raymond
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at the faculty away.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I thought they did a really good job.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Also that wife don't share the more generosity of people.
You have a new book given their every single day
to try to make his country that had and for
as little as eleven dollars had one ure can take
care of the people on this family obviously.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Or that the number one the youngest the Lincoln boys.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
If I heard that learn was.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Living in the white Wood Club, was mom Lincoln?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
For years covered the White House turkey part in which
people will remember you see it on TV. Al Yeah,
they bring two birds out. Brden will will no doubt
pardon the bird or whoever's in the audience. I guess
he doesn't know, but assuming he follows protocol, they bring
two turkeys out, he pardons one of them or both
of them. I didn't realize what the origins of this were,
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and years ago somebody in the Trump White House told
me it was JFK Or Truman who started the tradition.
So I did a deep dive and discovered no, it
was Tad Lincoln and Abraham Lincoln. And the backstory was
so moving to me. And it really is about how
a child allowed to be a child and be a
boy and knock things over and have mishaps and create mischief,
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which Tad Lincoln did in the White House. He would
hitch a goat to a dining room chair and gallop
through the east room. He dug up the rose garden.
All of that's in the book. But it really is
about how a child has the capacity to save a
father in many ways. And it's about how Tad Lincoln
was the touchstone of normalcy and joy in a healthscape
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that Lincoln was living in, literally with a war crowding
around him and a child when he just lost in
the White House. It's a story of finding hope in
dark places and finding light even where you least expect it,
right in your family. And I thought this was a
story worth telling and the historic moment that we've lost
sight of because people don't realize where that turkey pardon
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came from?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, can you tell us? Let me by the way,
when you talk about the turkey pardon?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Not my brain now always goes to build the blasio
with Ponkstani.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Phil the gopher that he dropped and killed killed him.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, the worst mayor of New York ever killed the
gopher for Groundhog Day, and I think it was a
metaphor for what he was.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Doing to New York City. I'm just putting that out there.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
But anyway, well, thank goodness, mister Lincoln had a better
track record. I'll tell you the quick story and the
book The Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln captures this. And
I don't consider these children's books. I consider them family
reads because they're written for the whole family to encounter together,
and adults will learn as much or more than the kids.
But what happened is when Willie, the middle son of
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Abraham Lincoln, dies in the White House, Tad Lincoln and
Abraham Lincoln become inseparable. He takes his son to review
the troops. He goes with him to Richmond after the war.
Tad sleeps next to his father and watches him give
pardons to all these people who come to the White
House asking for forgiveness, and he absorbs the lesson well.
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As Christmas approaches, a turkey is brought to the White House.
Tad befriends the turkey, puts it on a leash, teaches
it tricks, and then Christmas Eve comes and the White
House chef collects Jack the bird and takes him to
the kitchen. Tad Lincoln totally freaks out, grabs the turkey,
runs upstairs to his father in tears, and begs him
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to extend a pardon to his bird, to his turkey,
and Abraham Lincoln gives his son Tad that pardon. That
is the first White House turkey pardon and the beginning
of this beautiful national tradition. But you know, when I've
seen it for years, it's kind of a goofy affair.
Now you realize the backstory, and it really is a study,
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and it's an insight into Lincoln's mind. He saw Thanksgiving,
which Lincoln put on the calendar, by the way, as
a national holiday in eighteen sixty three, the same year
he pardons Tad's turkey. He saw it as a time
of forgiveness, mercy to those in your family and community,
and leading to a source of unity for the country. Boy,
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do we need that today, guys?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I'm just wondering, is that the first? Is that the
first ever time I've never heard of somebody having a
pet turkey before me?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Neither, No, I didn't but apparently, you know, I guess
when the poor boys alone in the house, it was
the goat and the turkey that arrived that was it.
So he took what he had and used it. But
the fact that he trained the thing put it on
a leash, and by the way, that turkey would continue
to live with the Lincolns for another couple of years.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
But you'll never look at a Chris, You'll never look
at a thank skipping turkey in quite the same way.
It just helps put I love origin stories, I mean,
and this whole musical adventure I've been on. I dug
into all of these Christmas carols and discovered the backstories
of them, and it just blew my mind. We totally
misunderstand so much of the things that we just take
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for granted and do.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Give us an example on a song that we don't
understand that everybody will have heard that we play all
the time during Christmas.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Well, the biggest one, the most popular song of Christmas
probably jingle bells. How many times have we heard jingle
bells are sung it ourselves and you think, oh, this
is a happy Christmas song about bells ringing in the snow.
Right wrong? James Lord Pierpont wrote the song. He wrote
it in a tavern, guys, and it was in the
eighteen sixties eighteen fifties. A bar made a test that
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he wrote it at a tavern he was swilling down
the rum that they made in Medford, Massachusetts. But here's
the deal. When he snowed in Medford down main Street,
they would drag race slaves down the middle of town.
So and this guy, James Lord Pierpont, was a notorious
skirt chaser. He ran after women no matter where he traveled.
When you break the song down, when you realize the
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context and you look at the lyrics anew, you realize
it is really a girl chasing, drag racing, drinking song.
I'm sorry to report that that's what it is. So
when I went into the studio with Kevin Costa, the
guy who arranged The Greatest Showman and Jungle Book and
Lion King for Disney, he rearranged all these songs, and
we used that research to govern the direction in which
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we would proceed, both in arrangements and my performance on
the album. So Our jingle Bells is a little randy,
It's a little bumpy and wild, but it gives new context.
And look, it's not all that. There's some tender songs.
I Heard the Bells, which was written by Longfellow. He
lost his wife just before Christmas. His son came home
from the Civil War nearly paralyzed, and he hears bells
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down the street and it gives him. I hope he
finds new life in the hope of those bells and
what they promise. And then he wrote this poem, I
heard the Bells on Christmas Day, their old familiar carol's play.
And it goes on and on. But we tried to
capture all the emotions of Christmas, but restore these songs
to their real context, their real origins. And you know,
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it's both carols that have been with us for centuries
and even modern classics. Jose Feliciano, Jose, can we do
a Boston over treatment of the song? He agreed to
do that. We did it on the album. It's been
at the top of Billboard's charts for weeks and weeks,
and I'm just look, I'm delighted the audience. They obviously
hear something new here and yet something very familiar, And
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I love that we're.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Speaking of Raymond Arroyo about his book The Magnificent Mischief
of Tad Lincoln. And he's also got the album and
tour going on. Where can people go to learn more
about the tour if they want to see you in person?
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Christmas, Mary and Bright is the name of the album.
The tour is happening. We open in Phoenix on November
twenty fifth, Thanksgiving weekend, then more in Dallas at the
House of Blues. Jose Feliciano is with me there. We
go to Tampa Cleveland, we end the tour play and
you're coming a buck. You have to come into town
for this tree the Ryman Auditorium December twenty first, Jose Feliciano,
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the Big Band and me and we have special guest stars.
Go to Raymondarroyo Christmas dot com. Raymond Royo Christmas dot
com is the address. I cannot wait to see everybody there.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Sounds fantastic.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Can I just We've got all these people now are
going to be going to check out your tour dates
and buying your books.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
But I want to cause some trouble for you. Raymond.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
The best go ahead, the best and worst Thanksgiving sides,
and I'm I'm not.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
We're not pulling any punches here.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Okay, the best and worst, I think personally, the worst
is probably cranberry sauce.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I hang up on it, hang up on it.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
I'm I like all the stuffing we have Oyster dressing
in New Orleans and Meloton dressing, odd things you probably
don't have elsewhere. So those are my favorite. My favorite
oyster dressing and Meloton dressing, which Meloton's kind of a
squash or green squash that grows in Bayou Country. But
I never you know, I like fresh cranberry sauce, but
so often it's that canned thing and it comes, you know,
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it looks like a little power there.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
We are losing our Cranberry sponsor right now, Clay.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
We just endorsed Big Cranberry, and then you just come
on and just immediately decap that.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
I loved it. I just I just I'm the form
of that, the solid gelatine form of that thing, like
a little barrel oil barrel there, a red oil barrel.
It kind of scares me, almost raining.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
We had just won over Big Cranberry, and then you
just totally Tanya harding our Nancy Carrigan Cranberry dream here
just ran right in hit us right in the knee cap.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
We're done.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
If you put it in the middle of the stuffing,
particular particularly oyster stuffing. I'm sure I was hoping.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I was hoping that brow. What is it? What is
the one that they love in the South? Is it?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Green bean cash a role?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Is the Thanksgiving side that's so popular in the South
that doesn't exist anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Naughty list. I don't like that, damn green bean casse.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I'm very anti green bean, so we're not gonna get
a green bean sponsorship. I think green beans probably the
most overrated of all the vegetable grip. I hate green
beans like I won't eat them now.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
And the Christmas what do they call that? Stupid cake? Fruitcake? Right?
What do you call it?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I also anti fruitcake?
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Oh? That stuff is like eating sawdust and grit. I
don't know what it is, but it's it's old. It
should never be consumed by human beings. Give that to animals.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Well, if you want to get on the holiday spirit, everybody,
check out Raymond's book and check out his tour. The
Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln is the book that the
album One more time.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Raymond Christmas maryon bright go to Raymond Royal Christmas dot com.
All the details are there. Please come see me on
the road. We're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Happy Holiday, Christmas, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there as
we get ready to.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Roll in Harry, Christmas to both of you and everybody listening.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
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You don't know what you don't know right, but you
could On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast
Yet the Holes with Bub Welcome back in Clay Travis
Buck Sexton show. This is and I saw him last
night at the Patriot Awards. Did you know Raymond de
Royo was a singer to Buck. He's on very frequently
(43:29):
with Laura Ingram, does nice comedic segments. Fun guy. He's
got a book out. We're gonna talk with him in
the next hour. Did you know he's saying I had
no idea that. An addition, he's a man of many talents.
He also sang I just.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Learned that myself. Sounds like he's got a very nice voice.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
So we're gonna have him on in the third hour
of the program to hang out and have a have
a little bit of fun there. But Buck, we're going
into Friday, maybe we'll also talk about this. You told
me that I had no idea, you said down, he said,
I'm fired up about cranberry sauce right now.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Oh yeah, big time. Interesting article in the Wall Street
Journal on cranberries. First of all, cranberry sauce very polarizing.
It's a once a year thing. Why is that? Like
why turkey and cranberry sauce? For most people like a
whole roast turkey, people say, oh, slice turkey, yeah, okay,
But in general, and Clay is a cold cut sky,
so he's probably a fan of turkey and cheese.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
But correct.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Nonetheless, in general, you only do the big turkey once
a year, and you do the cranberry sauce once a year.
You don't see a cranberry sauce is a very seasonal item.
It's like pumpkin spice lattes. And what this article in
the Wall Street Journal talked about is that ocean spray,
which you may know is the thing that makes like
cranberry juice that you drink as well as well as
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cranberry sauce, is a farmer collective from the northeast of
the United States that's responsible for like a vast majority
of the cranberries out there. And this has just been
sort of a campaign for a long time to expand
cranberry into a year long fruit and not just a
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once a year thing. And I'm wondering how you feel
about that. I mean, this should cranberry like, why don't
people put cranberry in their cranberries in their smoothies. Why
aren't people just throwing cranberry sauce on their you know,
I don't know, on their lamb chops or something.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I am all in on big cranberry. I got made
fun of this. I like all of it. I eat
crazins all the time. I order cranberry juice regularly. I
might have the best urinary tract on the planet as
a result, because I think that's supposed to be a
strong urinary health tract. My understanding, because I'm buying into
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the big cranberry propaganda, may not even be true. I
would eat cranberries. I would eat them, you know, every week.
I'm totally fine with that. I don't know why. This
is just something that and I like the canned cranberries,
like the Ellie cranberry that may not be very healthy
for you, I don't know, but I love that too.
I'm all in on cranberry so if we need it,
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if we need an endorsement, Buck, I will be.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I will be the Cranberry emissary to America.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
I do I think it should expand out, you know,
I think that there's more use for cranberry. I like
the tart sweetness of it too, you know, I think
it's a more complex flavor.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
So people are gonna think that you and I just
got paid so much money by Cranberry's to to come
here full throated endorsement of.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Everyone listening to this.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
I bet ninety ninety five percent are gonna have cranberry
sauce on the Thanksgiving True, it's like a requirement and
it just kind of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
And why does it? Is a great question. Why there
are occasional foods. I mean peeps for instance for Easter, right,
the little the little peak thing show, So.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's really a food.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
But yeah, sure, well yeah, but they don't exist year round.
What's the corn, the candy corn or whatever, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
The Tebruary eggs, Why don't we know? That's a dasier round.
They're not exactly a health food but delicious last hour
of the week. Next we're gonna make the world better.
We're closing up shop here on Clay and Buck for
the weekend. Apparently, we just got a phone call in
Clay from a very nice woman who used to cut
my hair when I was in great school. So we
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got an audience that listens, you know, stretching way back
when to coast to coast, all over the country, all
over the US, including back in my hometown of New
York City. Uh, yeah, her name was Your name is Kim,
Kim the hair addresser. Thank you for calling in. I
hope I always behaved well seated in the in the chair,
and uh, have you ever gotten to truly? I will
tell you I got when I moved to Miami because
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I was like, I'm just gonna go to like one
of the local places here.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I don't know if you could really tell.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
I don't even if people at home could really tell,
but it was one of the It was the worst
haircut I've ever gotten in my life. And it was
because they there's a very common thing here. I think
it's called I don't know if it's a fade or
they like shave around your head and then sort of
faded in to the rest of your hair. And I
basically like the back of my head six months ago.
(48:03):
Was effective. People couldn't see it when I went on
TV or whatever. But it was shaved like it was
almost all the way all the way down. It was
a very Miami haircut. So you do got to be careful.
You don't know what you're getting into.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Sometimes my wife is still fired up about the haircut
I got for the day before our wedding.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
You had some pretty funky haircuts back then.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I had some wacky haircuts over the years, but my.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Time did you have this two were like like like
circa nineteen ninety eight where people started doing like long hair,
like guys did long hairs but center part and behind.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
They'd put their hair behind that.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah. I did a lot of that ear tuck long
hair haartuck. Yeah yeah, yeah. My wife said, first of all,
she was like, don't get your haircut because I go
to and I'm probably gonna lose some more sponsors here somewhere.
I go a lot to like great clips, and you know,
like the I pay like twenty dollars for a haircut.
I don't go to like fancy haircut places. Typically, I'll
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just go into you know, mall plays Master cuts whatever
these places are called. And the day before my wedding,
I went, and my wife, if she were here right
now and grabbed the mic, would describe it as the
worst haircut that any groom has ever gotten in the
history of a wedding probably And it was a real
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bowl cut, like the bowl cut that little boys get,
you know, like when.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
This website right didn't we actually didn't. We did find PHO.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
My senior year class photo is is an exercise in
uh in in wackiness. The boys, my three boys, and
my wife at one point all had as their backdrop,
you know, the picture on their on their iPads or
their screens, my senior year class photo. But this, uh,
this photo, the haircut that I got was awful. Her
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mom went with me and we got back. She was like,
just how did you let this happen? Like what were
you thinking that you allowed this haircut to occur? So
all the all the wedding photos she considers to be
ruined because of my bowl cut.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
That way, how is how is training your oldest son
to drive going? I have to tell you, uh it is.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
It is maybe the most terrifying thing I've ever done
in my life as parent.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Why did you just hire a driving instructor? First of all,
I don't know how. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
I think we do have a driving instructor, but he
has to have two hundred miles of instruction before the
driving instructor will take him. So we're in the process
of working our way towards two hundred miles and the
roundabout is terrifying. Also the number of people that will
be unhappy because we're not driving very fast, you know,
(50:39):
and they like drive by and you see him like
looking back at.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You and sort of got to get it.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Like a placard you can put in your rear window
that said student driver, you know, Yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Would help because I'll look down he's like, man, Dad,
we're going really fast, and like we're going eighteen all right,
we're going eighteen miles an hour, buddy, you can step
it up a little bit. But uh, but yeah, it's
it is the most nerve wracking thing I have done
as a parent. And I'm not even sure what they
maybe the actual birth. Watching the actual birth the second
most nerve wracking, but the from a parenting perspective, this
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is terrifying.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
I mean, I can tell you puppy training is coming along.
It's really rough. The puppy wakes carry up every morning
at six o'clock in the morning to go play and
take it outside and stuff. I probably should take over
some of that duty myself, but so far Carrie's been
handling it.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Not a surprise for anybody. She's much more on it
than I am.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
But the problem with trying to train the puppy is
that they're very cute and mischievous and they want to
do things that you don't want them to do. But
then they just look at you with the puppy eyes,
play and then when it works. By the way, I'll
be at Georgia, Tennessee for Big Noon
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate Buck keeping the ship afloat yesterday as
we roll into what, for many of you will be
the last day before you head out all over the country,
(00:20):
potentially for Thanksgiving. I know the Travis family is going
to be on the road starting tomorrow to head all
over the place, and I know many of you will
as well. I'm going to try to bring you some
sanity and what is unfortunately becoming an even more insane world.
We've got all sorts of stories to track, but in
particular everything falling apart with the Israeli Palestinian relationship as
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it pertains to the politics here in the United States,
to say nothing of what's going on in Gaza, Joe
Biden not surprisingly sliding on his own classified documents issue.
We will discuss the latest on that this story happened yesterday, Buck,
while you were while you were on the air, and
I happened to catch the thing trending on Twitter. Major
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League Baseball has returned the All Star Game to Atlanta,
which effectively acknowledges that Jim Crow.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Two point zero was a complete lie.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And this story, to me, Buck, is emblematic of so
much that occurs in America today. And I actually saw
it as somewhat connected to COVID for those of you
who didn't know, and that maybe a decent number of
you out there Major League Baseball bought into. Remember Joe
Biden running around saying that the Georgia voting law wasn't
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just Jim Crow, it was Jim Eagle. And he did
the speech trying to claim that this was the worst
thing basically that had happened to the country since the
Civil War, if I remember correctly, Buck, He tried to
say that anyone that was involved in this Georgia votvoting
bill was basically on the side of the Confederacy and
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Jefferson Davis. And it was a really strange historical argument.
It's all why all of it was a lie. Stacey
Abrams and Joe Biden got the national media to buy
into the idea that by strengthening voting rules in the
state of Georgia that somehow black people were going to
be discriminated against. And this was a return to the
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Jim Crow era South and this was going to be
totally unacceptable, and it became such a major narrative story
that Major League Baseball pulled the All Star Game out
of Atlanta. Buck then the twenty twenty two election happens.
There are zero issues with any black voters anywhere in
the state. They had I believe, record turnout in twenty
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twenty two compared to the prior midterm in twenty eighteen.
And we know, unfortunately herschel Walker lost, the Reverend Rafael
Warnock won. Every other statewide office won comfortably by seven
or eight points by Republicans, including Brian Kemp, trouncing Stacy Abrams.
And now yesterday Rob Manford, the commissioner of Major League Baseball,
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just comes out and says, oh, we're returning the All
Star Game to Atlanta now for twenty twenty five. Well,
at the last moment, they had moved it to Denver,
and they had tried to say it was because they
wouldn't stand for voter disenfranchisement. And now they're coming back.
The law is still in effect, and there are no
consequences for Major League Baseball getting this completely wrong. For
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everyone in the media who ran with this story as
being completely wrong, there's almost no acknowledgment of it at all.
And Buck what it ties in with me is there
is no actual consequences for significant things that people get
wrong when the facts develop and the truth comes out.
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There's just a totally memory holding of stories like these
and almost no one ever acknowledges that they ever belie
even in the first place. And it's just emblematic I
think of what we're seeing in so many facets of
life when left wing stories collapse.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I mean, I haven't watched a baseball game in like
twenty five years, so I'm not super up on the
latest with MLB in terms of how woke it is
or how it stacks up against the other leagues. But
you know, to your point about the cowardice and consequences,
people don't executives who make these kinds of decisions really
at any corporation these days, you never get fired for
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trying to bend the need of the wokeness. And so
as long as that continues, you're going to see more
of this, and people just realize, or people believe, I
should say, that this is just the safer option for
them all the time, and that's why you have what
you have By the way, you know there are protesters
right now in you know Clay Clay works for Fox News.
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I do not, Yes, Clay was at the Patriotard Jester edgewoo,
which'll tell us a little bit about later this hour.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
But there are protesters in the Fox News lobby.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And what I just wonder is, what do they think
that they're doing other than just annoying people because they're
miserable malcontents who support terrorists. Like, I'm just wondering, what
do they think trespassing in the Fox News lobby is
really good? Do they think that someone's going to walk
into Fox News and be like, you know what, Bid Lawden.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Did have a point and Hamas isn't that bad?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Like what are these idiots doing other than just harassing
people basically because they're miserable.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And by the way, and the Patriot Awards were fantastic.
I know, I met a bunch of our listeners. I
appreciate everybody who came out streamed on Fox Nation this show.
By the way, I don't know if this is public yet,
I might as well go ahead and say it. This
show will be streaming on Fox Nation behind the paywall
at Fox Nation for all three hours starting in the
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next few months. So, by the way, if you're out
there and you don't have a great radio signal for
some reason, or you want for some reason to see
spectacular images video wise of you and me every day, you.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Want to see if Klayin Bucker having good hair days. Okay,
that's not going to get any of you to watch.
I do have a puppy that I will have in
my lap sometimes because I have to babysitter during the
radio show.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Your puppy is one of the cutest puppies that I
have ever seen. Like, I'm very happy, I have to
be honest, like when we were just down in Miami.
But it actually goes beyond that buck because there's a
recent article talking about how many Jewish people are putting
on Fox News because Fox News is just pointing out
that Israel has the right to defend itself, and so
many left wing news organizations refuse to adopt that perspective.
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And I actually think this is the best thing that
could happen to Fox News. Crazy Palestinian protesters showing up
in the lobby. You've been in that lobby a ton
of times. Their security all through there, so they're trespassing.
I don't know what they'll eventually do to get them out.
Maybe they're already gone, because I haven't seen an update recently.
But it just makes Fox looks super rational, and it
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just makes normal people look rational.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, this is like whatever, there's a conservative speech on campus.
I always say this, the best thing that can happen
is a bunch of blue haired, shrieking banshees show up
screaming about like fascism and white supremacy and you know whatever. Yeah,
because that video that then goes online is the best
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advertisment for the left.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Is insane.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And oh, by the way, go see you know, go
see this speech by so and so right. I mean,
there's nothing that is more helpful. And in the case
of Fox News, there's a cable news network that, after
Israel's nine to eleven, is generally approaching the issue in
terms of coverage, but certainly in terms of commentary and
editorial as a moment of moral clarity. Yes, and that
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is Fox News. And Fox News stands with Israel and
the Jewish people after this attack, and of course after
all the anti Semitic protests that we've seen. Meanwhile, MSNBC
is like, like, hey, guys, let's kind of watch the
pro Hamas pro terrorist Bin Laden had good ideas stuff
a little bit on their staff. They got a whole
different range of views over there.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And it's not just MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I'm sure you saw Buck Gail King with the father
of the hostage, lecturing the father of the hostage about
the fact that bad things were happening to Palestinian people
too on CBS This Morning, which I think is a
CBS This Morning whatever their morning show is called. I
just I watched that video and I just thought to myself,
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can you imagine having had a child who is captive
by Hamas for coming up on what six weeks now,
and you're trying to do everything you can to get
that child back, and you sit across the accounter from
somebody on a on a morning show and she's like, well,
you know, bad things are happening to Hamas too. It's like, yeah,
I wish there weren't awful things happening in the world.
I just want my kid back. And so you trying
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to moral equival equivocate what's going on with Israel and
Hamas when my kid has been held hostage for two months.
To my knowledge, Buck, Israel has never had any Hamas
kids hostage for two months so far as I know,
in the history of their existence as a country. Maybe
I've missed it. Maybe they're regularly grabbing infants and holding
the hostage and not returning them.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
But there's a million ways you can set up the
the the clear difference here.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You know, if a if a Heimas fighter, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Was was wounded and surrendered on the battlefield and was
no longer an active threat, you know, the Israelis would
would capture him, take him, give him medical care, and
give him a judicial proceeding of some kind. If an
Israeli id F fighters captured by Hamas, I mean, they
would commit Isis level horrific tortures, mutilation and murder. Yes,
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these differences exist, They are real. This is not just
some construct that we haven't in the West, and you
know this is in this country, I think, Clay, we've
been talking about it. You really see, especially with the
there's this effort to kind of conflate BLM and that
machinery with the Palestinian cause there's been a lot of that.
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You know, you've seen people and there's a little less
now of the you know, trans rights for Palestine, because
I think that people have started to realize that the
mockery is too obvious there with you definitely don't want
to be a trans person in Gaza. That would not
be a Hamas would not take well to that. Yes,
But but the race issue here is so the left.
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It basically the left is so obsessed with race that
it almost can't you know, it's like when everything when
all you have is a hammer, you know, everything looks
like a nail. They can't view this outside of a
racial lens that is entirely inapplicable and at best distorted when.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Applied to this conflict.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
This isn't just you know, white people, brown people and
oppressor or un oppressed, and that's not reality.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
No, exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And it is a failure of and I know you
talked about this yesterday, it is a failure of American
society that we have, to a large degree with kids
lost the ability.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
To distinguish between good and evil.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
And I think a big part of that is because
most of what kids experience in America is not in
the prism of good versus evil. Because most things that
happen in America are pretty good right to your point,
you can have basically any sexual issue attraction in America
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and have pretty good for you, right. And so I
think so many people have lost concept of what the
rest of the world is like, that they have bought
into this idea that America is evil and as a result,
they aren't able to see and distinguish between good and
evil in the real world. And that is incredibly troubling.
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And we talked about this for a while. When this
initial attack on October seventh happen, you will get the
numbers for people under the age of thirty five, they're
basically fifty to fifty on who's that faultier, Israel or Amas.
And if you're over sixty five, it's a ninety five
to five issue. Why do older people have such greater
sense of moral clarity, right and wrong, good and evil
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in this country than young people. I think it's because
we failed a young generation of Americans in creating this
artificial dynamic which you're discussing, which is white equals bad,
brown equals good, and in Matt rubric has to be
applied no matter what.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
In every single storyline. I mean, if you look at.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
The rise in the usage in the media, and there
have been studies on this, so this is something that's
just a data driven a data driven reality. The rise
in the use of not just racism, but white supremacy
and white supremacist and all of a sudden in the
last ten ten or so years, America has become obsessed
with anti racism, anti whiteness, all these different white supremacy,
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these different concepts, and that has had real effect, I think,
particularly on the on the younger generation. I think on
I think people who are under the age of thirty,
when they think about politics, they're first the first thing
they go to is well, what are the skin colors
of the people involved? Or you don't think about a conflict,
what are the skin colors of the people involved? And
that's how they that is their fundamental framework for how
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you deal when it comes to police, when it comes
to you know, law enforcement issues in general, when it
comes to economics in society, and certainly when it comes
to armed conflict. They take this approach of like, well,
you know, what are the historical injustices and what are
the races of the people involved? And we see that,
I mean you saw yesterday, I know you were busy
with the with the Fox stuff that you were tuning
in and out sometimes, And we talked about this thing
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on TikTok of people saying JN.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Loaden had a point. Yeah, I just if.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You think Ben Laden had a point in his letter
to America, bin Laden would have free license to kill
any number of Americans in any way for any length
of time because he's upset because there's some things that
bother him.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I mean, there's there's no limitation, there's no laws of war,
there's no ethics, there's no morality. It's I don't like
what America is doing in these places, so I can
kill everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And people went along with this.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh and by the way, I asked, you know b
Lan's opinion on like gays and minorities. I don't think
the left would like them if they really knew them.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And women and women.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, just the general collapse, I will say I find
it to be clarifying and important, and it has been
illuminating to me and I know to many of you
to see exactly how broken many of our institutions and
our groups are.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I mean, imagine for a second, if there was a
major if there was a major trending and it was,
you know, all over going viral that there were people saying,
you know, Timothy McVeigh, you know, I think that guy
had some really interesting thoughts and I think we should
go back and like look at his manifesto.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Country the media people be like uniformly horrified, right, And
yet yesterday it was that Bin Lauden, I mean Laden
had some interesting ideas. This is this is how far
the brain rot has gone to the cerebral cortex of
the left.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Think about this book. What if Dylan Ruth had the
Charleston shooter who walked into and killed all the black
people in the church in Charleston, what if he had
published a manifesto and it was trending on TikTok and
it was like, hey, you know what, Dylan Roof had
some really good points to make. I mean again, they
would immediately condemn it because it is a white person
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who is evil. But when there is someone who is
not white that is engaged in completely evil acts, they
lack the ability to acknowledge and and condemn it.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
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Speaker 2 (16:43):
Last Queen can jumfibent in Laye, Travis and buck.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Sexty which makes everyone ask the obvious question, why didn't
they just do this before. If cleaning things up and
making things nice and safe and getting rid of the
encampments and everything was something that could be done quickly, why.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Not just let that happen or do that right away?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But they did it for Biden's meeting with Shi Jinping
the premiere. It's a nice way of saying the communist
dictator of China. But the continued deterioration in cities and
clay yesterday, you know that guy got found guilty who
attacked Pelosi's husband with the hammer, yes, which was quite
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a lapse in security at the Speaker's house, right, I mean,
there's like supposed to be a Capitol Hill police protection
and this guy just got into the house and anyway,
but it goes to there are people that are a
danger to the public who are roaming the streets in cities,
and larger numbers than what we had seen pre COVID era.
I should I shouldn't say pre COVID ever, I'm sorry
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about that pre BLM era because that's actually what it
had nothing to do with COVID. Really, the change in
crime in the cities that had everything to do with BLM,
which just happened to be in the same era or
same year as COVID in twenty twenty. But you're seeing
this in a lot of cities. You're seeing the problems
play out. And this was interesting because one thing that
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will that I think people need to be disabused of
is the notion play that it's a function of resources.
If only we had more resources in these cities. Now,
resources matter, I'm not going to pretn they don't. Of course,
you need policing. That's why defund police was so bad.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But there's also a political will component to all of this.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You see that in San Francisco, right they've decided we're
going to clean up the streets and get rid of
the encampments, and they do it. So there must be resources,
they just don't usually want to do it or don't
want to use them in that way. In Memphis, Tennessee,
Memphis has a very high violent crime rate, unfortunately as
a city. The police chief here said, well, I'll let
you hear what he had to say and why this
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is getting some attention Play eighteen.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I don't care if we had the entire United States
Army here in the city of Memphis, if we continue
to see the same individuals come in crimes, you know,
arresting a way out of this is not possible.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Okay, Clai, this is the key. This is true in Memphis,
It's true in every city that's having a crime problem.
You speak to anyone in law enforcement, and the the
biggest public safety issue that could be solved right away
is repeat offenders. Okay, that's or are that they are
the biggest threat. Repeat offenders meaning people who have been arrested.
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I'm not talking once or twice. That's the stuff that
we were all polls that we could get into the
defund police era and BLM and all this stuff. Oh
somebody stole like a pair of socks and the three
strike law sent them away for twenty years, or they
had one you know, marijuana joint on them and you know,
now their life is ruined.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
So we were told to go, okay, look, we want
to be.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
People should get second chances, and people shouldn't be overly
punished for minor things where there's no we're talking about
people that have been arrested for violent crimes dozens of times.
We're talking about people that are clearly a menace to
public safety. And there's just been this decision that has
been embraced by the Democrat Party and Soros backed prosecutors
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that we all have to just deal with this and
live with this. And I think people are starting to
slowly wake up, even in some of the Democrat cities.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, there was an awful story out of Memphis that
did not get a lot of national attention. A doctor
who had recently moved to sat to Memphis to work
at the Saint Jude Hospital. And a lot of you
out there are familiar with the incredible work that Saint
Jude does for patients all over the country who are
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not able kids to get the cancer treatment or the
healthcare that they would otherwise be able and need to
be able to survive. They raised tens of millions of dollars.
I'm fortunate to have been a part of some of
the events that Saint Jude is involved in. A couple
of years ago, I was down for their big event
in Memphis, trying to help out the small amount that
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I could, and this doctor just I think moved to
Memphis six months ago. He was out with his baby,
newly born baby, and his wife for a walk in
a park and he was murdered. And this is emblematic.
We talked about the Gillian Ludwig I believe was her name,
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the Belmont University freshman in Nashville, who was just in
a park and she was shot by a serial felon
who should have never been on the streets, a random
act of violence. He wasn't even aiming at her, he
was just firing his gun and she ended up being
struck by a bullet.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And these stories.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Wherever you are listening to us right now, there is
a story that occurred in your hometown of someone who
was one hundred percent innocent, never did anything wrong at all,
and they were the victim of a violent crime, and
almost with one hundred percent certainty, the person who killed
them should have never been on this sh streets. Buck
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we talked about was that last summer. I think Eliza Fletcher,
the mother who went for an early morning job and
was murdered on that early morning job. You have innocent
people out there being killed, and it's because instead of
being behind bars, all of these violent criminals who should
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have never been on the streets in the name of
retributive social justice and the idea that it's racist because
too many criminals are black. They're putting them right back
out on the streets, and overwhelmingly the people who bear
the cost for that are black, right, I mean, and
there's huge percentages now of people out there, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
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I did a deep dive on this. Everybody wants more
cops and less crime in their communities. But what this
chief of police and Memphis is saying, Buck is even
if you had the whole army out there, if you
arrest people and immediately put them back.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
On the streets, doesn't matter. It's not a number game
that could be helped. Right.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, this is I heard this when when I was
working at the NYPD Intelligence Division.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I would talk to.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Some of the cops who had been, you know, turning
out of various precincts for decades in some cases, and
they would talk about the battle days in New York
in the early nineties.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's actually when New York was that it's worse.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
People think of New York in the seventies and it
was kind of this dystopian urban healthscape of decay, but
actually nineteen ninety ninety one was really the worst that
ever was. And they would say that they would arrest people,
and they would it would be the you know, one
hundredth arrest, and like, what do we do. We're supposed
to get this guy a cake. I me, he's supposed
to celebrate that he hit you know, one hundred. This
is insane. And think about how demoralizing that is, because
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what it means is that the cops have got somebody.
They've arrested him. He's been arrested so many times. He's
clearly not changing his ways, clearly does not care about law,
you know, it does not fear the consequences of law enforcement.
The prosecutor who are supposed to be processing this individual,
and and you know, defending public safety are just like
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a you know, like a turnstile in the subway which
nobody was paying for back in the day. And it's
just the whole thing starts to collapse and ever starts
to say what am I really doing? When you add
to that that cops can be prosecuted and and even
you know, lose their freedom for doing their jobs in
good faith because there's a video that's taken that shows them.
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You know, sometimes cops are going to wrestle somebody to
the concrete and like that doesn't look that doesn't look pretty.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's that's rough stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
But that is part of law enforcement, especially when bucket
can be a thirty second video that's part of a
four minute, five minute interaction, and they take the thirty
seconds and try to make look make it look like
it is not in the larger context in which.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
It was occurring.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And look, remember that it was an awful story. The
guy who was murdered by Memphis police officers story vanished,
by the way. The who if you were comparing the
story of what was that guy's name in Memphis, who
who was clearly a victim of police violence, beaten up
(25:09):
by four or five different black police officers in Memphis,
you compare him to George Floyd, and you were looking
for someone who is actually the victim of police violence,
and you wanted somebody to be the face of it, it
would have actually been him. The problem was it was
black police officers doing it to him. So the story
almost completely vanished. I think the trials are coming up,
but nobody's really covering it. Yeah, And meanwhile that not
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not only is Derek Schauvin's trying to fight his his
conviction on federal civil rights charges, and you know, there's
I had never seen this, you know, there's a training
his defense unless I'm unless I'm misreading this.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I saw this online.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Found a training slide of officers putting a knee on
the on the sort of the shoulder neck area in
that way to hold somebody down, and that basically the department,
Minneapolis department, at least, this is part of the defense.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Now, the Minneapolis departments like, oh no, we didn't teach that.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Actually they did. Yeah, actually they were teaching this.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
As a restraint, and they just decided that that wasn't
that it was you know, misapplied in this case or
whatever the whatever it may be. And that George Floyd
died of heart failure, not of based on the coroner's report,
heart failure, not asphyxiation, yes, and had no damage to
his neck that would have been consistent with asphyxiation, and
(26:27):
had a lethal amount offensel in his system, you know,
and you talk about this and people started to get
very oh, they started to get very tense and very uh. Oh,
I don't know. If you just go online, you can
read this yourself. And Derek Chauvin's get got twenty years
in prison.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
His life, his life.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I mean, Derek Chauvin was convicted because the jury was
afraid of what would.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Happen if they didn't convict Derek Chauvin.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I don't I don't think there's any doubt at all
about that, because implicit in the trial itself was the
threat of what violence would ensue if Derek Chauvin were
not held responsible. By the way, the Memphis individual who,
based on all the evidence, appears to have been totally innocent,
Tyree Nichols is his name, and the black police officers
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have been charged and we'll see what happens in those trials.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I believe one of them has already pled guilty and
the video is horrific.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But because he was a victim of black police violence,
story vanished. If that had been five white Memphis cops
beating the crap out of Tyree Nichols, would there would
be statues of Tyree Nichols everywhere instead of George Floyd.
There would have been riots for probably a month all
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over the country. But because he was a victim of
black violent police officer behavior, apparently based on the video,
just totally vanishes. But this has led to further lawlessness
all throughout Memphis, and innocent people, white, Black, Asian and
Hispanic are bearing the brunt of those crimes. I know
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a lot of people who have moved out of Memphis.
A lot of people who live in my area of
Tennessee are Memphis natives. You talk to them, they say,
if you have the ability to leave, you try to leave,
because if you've got a young family, the worst thing
that could happen is they become an innocent victim of
violence and you sit around for the rest of your
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life saying, why did I stay here when I could
have taken my family somewhere safer, Which is just an
awful situation to be in. I want to tell you
all about. We did a show yesterday the Patriot Awards.
I spent a lot of time with Frank Siller, and
they have named now at the Patriot Awards a Steven
Siller Award for everybody out there who is trying to
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do good, whether you're a police officer, whether you're a
member of first responders, whether you're an officer in the military,
whether you are serving your country, whatever you're doing to
try to make it better for people out there. Frank
Siller's trying to make things better for you. Now his
new push is to try to get as many homeless
veterans off the streets as he possibly can.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And I gotta tell you, I am blown away by.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
How phenomenal the work that Frank Siller and Tunnel to
Towers is doing. More important than ever as you see
viral awfulness like the response to Osama bin Laden's letter
spread throughout young America. It's more important than ever before
to remind people what happened twenty two years ago and
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what true evil is. And we've got to continue to
honor people like Bristol, Connecticut police Sergeant Dustin Demanti. After
responding to a domestic violence incident, he sustained fatal gunshot wounds.
He left behind his expectant wife and two kids. Thanks
to the generosity of people like you, Tunnel the Towers
paid the mortgage on the Demante family home, lifting a
(29:49):
financial burden. I got to give you an update. You
probably heard about the tragic loss of life in the Mediterranean.
Five different military members believe it was a helicopter a
crash lost their lives starting a Frank Siller. They've already
tracked now, you know, and his family that is the
Ramonders already taken more. I saw you last night, Raymond
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at the faculty away.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I thought they did a really good job.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Also that wife don't share the more generosity of people.
You have a new book given their every single day
to try to make his country that had and for
as little as eleven dollars had one ure can take
care of the people on this family obviously.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Or that the number one the youngest the Lincoln boys.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
If I heard that learn was.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Living in the white Wood Club, was mom Lincoln?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
For years covered the White House turkey part in which
people will remember you see it on TV. Al Yeah,
they bring two birds out. Brden will will no doubt
pardon the bird or whoever's in the audience. I guess
he doesn't know, but assuming he follows protocol, they bring
two turkeys out, he pardons one of them or both
of them. I didn't realize what the origins of this were,
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and years ago somebody in the Trump White House told
me it was JFK Or Truman who started the tradition.
So I did a deep dive and discovered no, it
was Tad Lincoln and Abraham Lincoln. And the backstory was
so moving to me. And it really is about how
a child allowed to be a child and be a
boy and knock things over and have mishaps and create mischief,
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which Tad Lincoln did in the White House. He would
hitch a goat to a dining room chair and gallop
through the east room. He dug up the rose garden.
All of that's in the book. But it really is
about how a child has the capacity to save a
father in many ways. And it's about how Tad Lincoln
was the touchstone of normalcy and joy in a healthscape
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that Lincoln was living in, literally with a war crowding
around him and a child when he just lost in
the White House. It's a story of finding hope in
dark places and finding light even where you least expect it,
right in your family. And I thought this was a
story worth telling and the historic moment that we've lost
sight of because people don't realize where that turkey pardon
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came from?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, can you tell us? Let me by the way,
when you talk about the turkey pardon?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Not my brain now always goes to build the blasio
with Ponkstani.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Phil the gopher that he dropped and killed killed him.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, the worst mayor of New York ever killed the
gopher for Groundhog Day, and I think it was a
metaphor for what he was.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Doing to New York City. I'm just putting that out there.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
But anyway, well, thank goodness, mister Lincoln had a better
track record. I'll tell you the quick story and the
book The Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln captures this. And
I don't consider these children's books. I consider them family
reads because they're written for the whole family to encounter together,
and adults will learn as much or more than the kids.
But what happened is when Willie, the middle son of
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Abraham Lincoln, dies in the White House, Tad Lincoln and
Abraham Lincoln become inseparable. He takes his son to review
the troops. He goes with him to Richmond after the war.
Tad sleeps next to his father and watches him give
pardons to all these people who come to the White
House asking for forgiveness, and he absorbs the lesson well.
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As Christmas approaches, a turkey is brought to the White House.
Tad befriends the turkey, puts it on a leash, teaches
it tricks, and then Christmas Eve comes and the White
House chef collects Jack the bird and takes him to
the kitchen. Tad Lincoln totally freaks out, grabs the turkey,
runs upstairs to his father in tears, and begs him
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to extend a pardon to his bird, to his turkey,
and Abraham Lincoln gives his son Tad that pardon. That
is the first White House turkey pardon and the beginning
of this beautiful national tradition. But you know, when I've
seen it for years, it's kind of a goofy affair.
Now you realize the backstory, and it really is a study,
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and it's an insight into Lincoln's mind. He saw Thanksgiving,
which Lincoln put on the calendar, by the way, as
a national holiday in eighteen sixty three, the same year
he pardons Tad's turkey. He saw it as a time
of forgiveness, mercy to those in your family and community,
and leading to a source of unity for the country. Boy,
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do we need that today, guys?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I'm just wondering, is that the first? Is that the
first ever time I've never heard of somebody having a
pet turkey before me?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Neither, No, I didn't but apparently, you know, I guess
when the poor boys alone in the house, it was
the goat and the turkey that arrived that was it.
So he took what he had and used it. But
the fact that he trained the thing put it on
a leash, and by the way, that turkey would continue
to live with the Lincolns for another couple of years.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
But you'll never look at a Chris, You'll never look
at a thank skipping turkey in quite the same way.
It just helps put I love origin stories, I mean,
and this whole musical adventure I've been on. I dug
into all of these Christmas carols and discovered the backstories
of them, and it just blew my mind. We totally
misunderstand so much of the things that we just take
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for granted and do.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Give us an example on a song that we don't
understand that everybody will have heard that we play all
the time during Christmas.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Well, the biggest one, the most popular song of Christmas
probably jingle bells. How many times have we heard jingle
bells are sung it ourselves and you think, oh, this
is a happy Christmas song about bells ringing in the snow.
Right wrong? James Lord Pierpont wrote the song. He wrote
it in a tavern, guys, and it was in the
eighteen sixties eighteen fifties. A bar made a test that
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he wrote it at a tavern he was swilling down
the rum that they made in Medford, Massachusetts. But here's
the deal. When he snowed in Medford down main Street,
they would drag race slaves down the middle of town.
So and this guy, James Lord Pierpont, was a notorious
skirt chaser. He ran after women no matter where he traveled.
When you break the song down, when you realize the
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context and you look at the lyrics anew, you realize
it is really a girl chasing, drag racing, drinking song.
I'm sorry to report that that's what it is. So
when I went into the studio with Kevin Costa, the
guy who arranged The Greatest Showman and Jungle Book and
Lion King for Disney, he rearranged all these songs, and
we used that research to govern the direction in which
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we would proceed, both in arrangements and my performance on
the album. So Our jingle Bells is a little randy,
It's a little bumpy and wild, but it gives new context.
And look, it's not all that. There's some tender songs.
I Heard the Bells, which was written by Longfellow. He
lost his wife just before Christmas. His son came home
from the Civil War nearly paralyzed, and he hears bells
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down the street and it gives him. I hope he
finds new life in the hope of those bells and
what they promise. And then he wrote this poem, I
heard the Bells on Christmas Day, their old familiar carol's play.
And it goes on and on. But we tried to
capture all the emotions of Christmas, but restore these songs
to their real context, their real origins. And you know,
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it's both carols that have been with us for centuries
and even modern classics. Jose Feliciano, Jose, can we do
a Boston over treatment of the song? He agreed to
do that. We did it on the album. It's been
at the top of Billboard's charts for weeks and weeks,
and I'm just look, I'm delighted the audience. They obviously
hear something new here and yet something very familiar, And
(37:43):
I love that we're.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Speaking of Raymond Arroyo about his book The Magnificent Mischief
of Tad Lincoln. And he's also got the album and
tour going on. Where can people go to learn more
about the tour if they want to see you in person?
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Christmas, Mary and Bright is the name of the album.
The tour is happening. We open in Phoenix on November
twenty fifth, Thanksgiving weekend, then more in Dallas at the
House of Blues. Jose Feliciano is with me there. We
go to Tampa Cleveland, we end the tour play and
you're coming a buck. You have to come into town
for this tree the Ryman Auditorium December twenty first, Jose Feliciano,
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the Big Band and me and we have special guest stars.
Go to Raymondarroyo Christmas dot com. Raymond Royo Christmas dot
com is the address. I cannot wait to see everybody there.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Sounds fantastic.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Can I just We've got all these people now are
going to be going to check out your tour dates
and buying your books.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
But I want to cause some trouble for you. Raymond.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
The best go ahead, the best and worst Thanksgiving sides,
and I'm I'm not.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
We're not pulling any punches here.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Okay, the best and worst, I think personally, the worst
is probably cranberry sauce.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I hang up on it, hang up on it.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
I'm I like all the stuffing we have Oyster dressing
in New Orleans and Meloton dressing, odd things you probably
don't have elsewhere. So those are my favorite. My favorite
oyster dressing and Meloton dressing, which Meloton's kind of a
squash or green squash that grows in Bayou Country. But
I never you know, I like fresh cranberry sauce, but
so often it's that canned thing and it comes, you know,
(39:16):
it looks like a little power there.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
We are losing our Cranberry sponsor right now, Clay.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
We just endorsed Big Cranberry, and then you just come
on and just immediately decap that.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
I loved it. I just I just I'm the form
of that, the solid gelatine form of that thing, like
a little barrel oil barrel there, a red oil barrel.
It kind of scares me, almost raining.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
We had just won over Big Cranberry, and then you
just totally Tanya harding our Nancy Carrigan Cranberry dream here
just ran right in hit us right in the knee cap.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
We're done.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
If you put it in the middle of the stuffing,
particular particularly oyster stuffing. I'm sure I was hoping.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I was hoping that brow. What is it? What is
the one that they love in the South? Is it?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Green bean cash a role?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Is the Thanksgiving side that's so popular in the South
that doesn't exist anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Naughty list. I don't like that, damn green bean casse.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I'm very anti green bean, so we're not gonna get
a green bean sponsorship. I think green beans probably the
most overrated of all the vegetable grip. I hate green
beans like I won't eat them now.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
And the Christmas what do they call that? Stupid cake? Fruitcake? Right?
What do you call it?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I also anti fruitcake?
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Oh? That stuff is like eating sawdust and grit. I
don't know what it is, but it's it's old. It
should never be consumed by human beings. Give that to animals.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Well, if you want to get on the holiday spirit, everybody,
check out Raymond's book and check out his tour. The
Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln is the book that the
album One more time.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Raymond Christmas maryon bright go to Raymond Royal Christmas dot com.
All the details are there. Please come see me on
the road. We're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Happy Holiday, Christmas, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there as
we get ready to.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Roll in Harry, Christmas to both of you and everybody listening.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
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Got Thanksgiving, you got Christmas coming up, New Year's everything
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You don't know what you don't know right, but you
could On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast
Yet the Holes with Bub Welcome back in Clay Travis
Buck Sexton show. This is and I saw him last
night at the Patriot Awards. Did you know Raymond de
Royo was a singer to Buck. He's on very frequently
(43:29):
with Laura Ingram, does nice comedic segments. Fun guy. He's
got a book out. We're gonna talk with him in
the next hour. Did you know he's saying I had
no idea that. An addition, he's a man of many talents.
He also sang I just.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Learned that myself. Sounds like he's got a very nice voice.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
So we're gonna have him on in the third hour
of the program to hang out and have a have
a little bit of fun there. But Buck, we're going
into Friday, maybe we'll also talk about this. You told
me that I had no idea, you said down, he said,
I'm fired up about cranberry sauce right now.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Oh yeah, big time. Interesting article in the Wall Street
Journal on cranberries. First of all, cranberry sauce very polarizing.
It's a once a year thing. Why is that? Like
why turkey and cranberry sauce? For most people like a
whole roast turkey, people say, oh, slice turkey, yeah, okay,
But in general, and Clay is a cold cut sky,
so he's probably a fan of turkey and cheese.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
But correct.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Nonetheless, in general, you only do the big turkey once
a year, and you do the cranberry sauce once a year.
You don't see a cranberry sauce is a very seasonal item.
It's like pumpkin spice lattes. And what this article in
the Wall Street Journal talked about is that ocean spray,
which you may know is the thing that makes like
cranberry juice that you drink as well as well as
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cranberry sauce, is a farmer collective from the northeast of
the United States that's responsible for like a vast majority
of the cranberries out there. And this has just been
sort of a campaign for a long time to expand
cranberry into a year long fruit and not just a
(45:10):
once a year thing. And I'm wondering how you feel
about that. I mean, this should cranberry like, why don't
people put cranberry in their cranberries in their smoothies. Why
aren't people just throwing cranberry sauce on their you know,
I don't know, on their lamb chops or something.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I am all in on big cranberry. I got made
fun of this. I like all of it. I eat
crazins all the time. I order cranberry juice regularly. I
might have the best urinary tract on the planet as
a result, because I think that's supposed to be a
strong urinary health tract. My understanding, because I'm buying into
(45:45):
the big cranberry propaganda, may not even be true. I
would eat cranberries. I would eat them, you know, every week.
I'm totally fine with that. I don't know why. This
is just something that and I like the canned cranberries,
like the Ellie cranberry that may not be very healthy
for you, I don't know, but I love that too.
I'm all in on cranberry so if we need it,
(46:07):
if we need an endorsement, Buck, I will be.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I will be the Cranberry emissary to America.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
I do I think it should expand out, you know,
I think that there's more use for cranberry. I like
the tart sweetness of it too, you know, I think
it's a more complex flavor.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
So people are gonna think that you and I just
got paid so much money by Cranberry's to to come
here full throated endorsement of.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Everyone listening to this.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
I bet ninety ninety five percent are gonna have cranberry
sauce on the Thanksgiving True, it's like a requirement and
it just kind of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
And why does it? Is a great question. Why there
are occasional foods. I mean peeps for instance for Easter, right,
the little the little peak thing show, So.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's really a food.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
But yeah, sure, well yeah, but they don't exist year round.
What's the corn, the candy corn or whatever, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
The Tebruary eggs, Why don't we know? That's a dasier round.
They're not exactly a health food but delicious last hour
of the week. Next we're gonna make the world better.
We're closing up shop here on Clay and Buck for
the weekend. Apparently, we just got a phone call in
Clay from a very nice woman who used to cut
my hair when I was in great school. So we
(47:16):
got an audience that listens, you know, stretching way back
when to coast to coast, all over the country, all
over the US, including back in my hometown of New
York City. Uh, yeah, her name was Your name is Kim,
Kim the hair addresser. Thank you for calling in. I
hope I always behaved well seated in the in the chair,
and uh, have you ever gotten to truly? I will
tell you I got when I moved to Miami because
(47:37):
I was like, I'm just gonna go to like one
of the local places here.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I don't know if you could really tell.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
I don't even if people at home could really tell,
but it was one of the It was the worst
haircut I've ever gotten in my life. And it was
because they there's a very common thing here. I think
it's called I don't know if it's a fade or
they like shave around your head and then sort of
faded in to the rest of your hair. And I
basically like the back of my head six months ago.
(48:03):
Was effective. People couldn't see it when I went on
TV or whatever. But it was shaved like it was
almost all the way all the way down. It was
a very Miami haircut. So you do got to be careful.
You don't know what you're getting into.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Sometimes my wife is still fired up about the haircut
I got for the day before our wedding.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
You had some pretty funky haircuts back then.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I had some wacky haircuts over the years, but my.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Time did you have this two were like like like
circa nineteen ninety eight where people started doing like long hair,
like guys did long hairs but center part and behind.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
They'd put their hair behind that.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah. I did a lot of that ear tuck long
hair haartuck. Yeah yeah, yeah. My wife said, first of all,
she was like, don't get your haircut because I go
to and I'm probably gonna lose some more sponsors here somewhere.
I go a lot to like great clips, and you know,
like the I pay like twenty dollars for a haircut.
I don't go to like fancy haircut places. Typically, I'll
(48:59):
just go into you know, mall plays Master cuts whatever
these places are called. And the day before my wedding,
I went, and my wife, if she were here right
now and grabbed the mic, would describe it as the
worst haircut that any groom has ever gotten in the
history of a wedding probably And it was a real
(49:19):
bowl cut, like the bowl cut that little boys get,
you know, like when.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
This website right didn't we actually didn't. We did find PHO.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
My senior year class photo is is an exercise in
uh in in wackiness. The boys, my three boys, and
my wife at one point all had as their backdrop,
you know, the picture on their on their iPads or
their screens, my senior year class photo. But this, uh,
this photo, the haircut that I got was awful. Her
(49:49):
mom went with me and we got back. She was like,
just how did you let this happen? Like what were
you thinking that you allowed this haircut to occur? So
all the all the wedding photos she considers to be
ruined because of my bowl cut.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
That way, how is how is training your oldest son
to drive going? I have to tell you, uh it is.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
It is maybe the most terrifying thing I've ever done
in my life as parent.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Why did you just hire a driving instructor? First of all,
I don't know how. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
I think we do have a driving instructor, but he
has to have two hundred miles of instruction before the
driving instructor will take him. So we're in the process
of working our way towards two hundred miles and the
roundabout is terrifying. Also the number of people that will
be unhappy because we're not driving very fast, you know,
(50:39):
and they like drive by and you see him like
looking back at.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You and sort of got to get it.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Like a placard you can put in your rear window
that said student driver, you know, Yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Would help because I'll look down he's like, man, Dad,
we're going really fast, and like we're going eighteen all right,
we're going eighteen miles an hour, buddy, you can step
it up a little bit. But uh, but yeah, it's
it is the most nerve wracking thing I have done
as a parent. And I'm not even sure what they
maybe the actual birth. Watching the actual birth the second
most nerve wracking, but the from a parenting perspective, this
(51:10):
is terrifying.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
I mean, I can tell you puppy training is coming along.
It's really rough. The puppy wakes carry up every morning
at six o'clock in the morning to go play and
take it outside and stuff. I probably should take over
some of that duty myself, but so far Carrie's been
handling it.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Not a surprise for anybody. She's much more on it
than I am.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
But the problem with trying to train the puppy is
that they're very cute and mischievous and they want to
do things that you don't want them to do. But
then they just look at you with the puppy eyes,
play and then when it works. By the way, I'll
be at Georgia, Tennessee for Big Noon
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