October 3, 2023 • 36 mins
Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser bemoans the police shortage caused by the defund the police movement she supported. Democrat Rep. Henry Cuellar carjacked in Washington, D.C. Criminal with 66 prior arrests murders man in Chattanooga, TN. D.C. councilman says there's no crime crisis. Hunter Biden in court on gun charge, but what about the tax charges? C&B take a caller with advice on crime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. We have got a bevy
of stories to track with you. Drama in the House
of Representatives as the speakership of Kevin McCarthy is potentially
in danger. We will continue to update you throughout the
course of the program as that plays itself out. But
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there are a lot of different stories to discuss. But
crime is right now on the top of many people's minds,
particularly crime in Washington, d C. And other cities where
crime has continued to skyrocket. Buck, I'm reading from Lucas
Tomlinson's report that he put out earlier this morning. Lucas
(00:51):
Tomlinson is a Fox News correspondent. He said, in Washington, DC,
the average murder suspect has eleven prior arrests.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That is, according to police.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Violent crime is up thirty eight percent this year over
last year in DC. By the way, Buck and I
will be in DC in two weeks for multiple days
as a part of our new affiliate I believe is
it one oh four point seven that you can listen
to us, and many of you are listening right now
all over the Washington, DC area.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
As hopefully I'll be a personal security detail in the
word hopefully, hopefully we will be safe. I went to
college there. Buck has lived in d C. Thirty eight
percent increase in crime and a lot of attention. As
Muriel Bowser, who is DC's mayor, says, DC, how much
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short do you think they are of how many cops Buck,
they need to be able to run effectively the police
presence in Washington.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
D C.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm am sure they are short, hundreds.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Four hundred, she says. Remember DC was one of the
capitals of the defund the police movement. Well, now they're saying, look,
we got a lot of policies. It turns out that
makes it hard to hire police officers. You've got a
Democrat congressman who was carjacked and outside of an apartment
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building that is very popular with congress people to be
staying there when they're traveling for work. But listen to
DC Mayor Muriel Bowser say, yeah, we're four hundred cops short,
and we're having difficulty recruiting them because the policies we
put in place.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
We need more officers, we don't have the officers that
we need and Sadly, we've lost three to four hundred
officers in the last four years. We haven't had officers
in our schools, and we have policies that make it
difficult to create recruit new officers.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How predictable is this buck that the defund the police movement,
which I think is the single dumbest political argument of
the twenty first century, has led to skyrocketing crime rates.
And now people in many of these cities with skyrocketing
crime rates want more police, but they have put in
place policies where police say.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Why in the world would we ever work there.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
This is the cascading effect that you see from these
bad decisions. What happens when, in order to play Kate,
for example, a anti police mob and any jurisdiction in
any city, you know, when they decide that some law
enforcement officer is going to pay the price for historic
injustice or society's ills or whatever. All the other cops
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see that and they take note of it, and they
start to say to themselves, well, hold on a second,
maybe I don't want to go down that dark alley
when I see a fleeing felon because I don't want
to have to wrestle that person. I don't want to
get into a force en force situation. Heather MacDonald, who
we've had on the show many times, term this the
Ferguson effect, where police do less because they know they
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are less supported, because they know that the politics where
they happen to work are on the side of the criminal.
Tie goes to the criminal in essence, if you will,
or if anything comes even close in a force incident,
the criminal is going to get the benefit of the doubt.
You also add to that then the early retirements and
the difficulty in recruitment, which you know, you're kind of
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cutting things down at both ends. You're cutting the tree
down at both ends, so to speak, because people don't
want to sign up in these jurisdictions, and they also
want to get out of it faster, because I mean,
the worst nightmare for a lot of cops, short of
losing your freedom and being imprisoned, is to lose your pension.
And that's not even a criminal matter. That's something that
can happen because of departmental discipline. And you might have
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worked for you know, you might have be right up
near your twenty your twentieth year when you in most
places would get your pension, and you can lose it
because of a video that someone takes. If you wrestling
some maniac to the ground. It you know, it's not.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They're going to edit, by the way back to the
twenty seconds that make the police officer look the worst. Right,
You're not even going to see the full fruition of
that interaction.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, and you also are seeing Look, I always I
thought it was really grotesque when during COVID anybody who
was opposed to lockdowns, let's say, if they got or
if they were hospitalized or even maybe died from COVID,
there were all these people online that were sharing the
sea and it's like, well, as we know, it actually
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had nothing. You know, everybody basically got COVID, so that
had nothing to do with anything. That was an inhumane
and idiotic position that they were taking. But it is
it is noted by many people that You've seen a
few instances, I mean one in particular, you see this
CBS News in New York there was this long time
social justice advocate who was basically a community organizer, and
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he was just stabbed to death on the streets of
Crown Heights.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Earlier this week in New York, city.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And he was with his girlfriend. Some guy came up
to him and said, what are you looking at and
stabbed them to death.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I mean, just the.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Worst kind of you know, heinous, out of nowhere crime.
I mean, this is an individual who, first of all,
you know, the whole thing is horrible, but was part
of the system with community organizing and the left wing
apparatus in a city like New York, of ending the
kind of policing and ending the kind of procedures that
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make people safer.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
On the streets.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So now people are looking at this and they're saying,
you know, I mean Nancy Pelosi another example of this
with their husband and their district in San Francisco. The
Liberals who push for the policies that make these places
more dangerous are actually now falling victim to some of
the policies themselves, and people are taking note of that.
We haven't even mentioned yet. Clay Congressman Quaar Yep. Congressman
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Quay Are, a mile from the Capitol building, was just
carjacked in the last in the last twenty four hours,
you know, and now I'm not even sure what his
positions have been on police, and I think he's actually
more of a centrist Democrat.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But that's irrelevant to members of Congress.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
We're getting carjacked in a nation's capital.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Here we have him talking about it. I think buck
cut two.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah, you're just coming into my place. Three guys came
out of nowhere, and they pointed guns at me. I
do have a black belt, but I recognized when you
got three guns. I looked at one with a gun,
another one with a gun, of the one behind me.
So they said they wanted my car, and say sure,
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you got to keep common to those situations, and then
they took off.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
They recovered the car play.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
First of all, I mean a black belt. One guy
has a gun, one guy has a knife. You know
you're black belt. You're got John.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Wick here, right, You're not au Reeves and the matrix,
the idea of fighting off three people with guns is
a Hollywood fan of And he said he was a
black belt.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, you have zero, You have zero chance effectively, And
I'm glad. Look he did the right thing, which is
just to concede and give them, give them the vehicle.
You know, most important thing is to get off the
ex so to speak, and be safe yourself and keep
you and your loved ones safe. But you have a
member of Congress's carjack a mile from the capital, not
far from the Capitol building itself, it starts to hit home.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think for people.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The these things don't have to be happening. And that's
why when you started with the number of times that
these individuals who are arrested for homicides have been arrested previously,
we were all led to believe by the media, and
I will say there were Republicans who went along with this,
that our criminal justice system had just become a mass
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incarceration machinery. Remember that was the term incarceration.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yes, that was.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Far too harsh on first time, low level, nonviolent offenders.
And somehow that in just the span of a few
years transformed into we got people being arrested one hundred
times and the one hundred and first time, you know,
they they're cracking an old lady over the head with
a bat, or they're pushing somebody in front of an
oncoming subway trainer, or whatever the case, whatever the heinous
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crime may be, and we're supposed to think that the
system is what functioning properly.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean, Clay, how.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Much more clear could the failure be And you know,
the issue here is I don't think Joe Biden is
as vulnerable on this as he should be because he recognized,
you know, he's been in the game a long time.
He knows. I think he kind of knew what was coming.
That's why he didn't get on the defund police train
like some others did. But for the Democrats, especially in
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cities and in state, you know, in congressional elections, city
state elections, there have to be consequences for this. And
maybe the consequences are just the continued flight of people
from these poorly managed cities where they're not going to
be able to pay the police forces. And you just
get into the spiral.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I also wanted to mention, so DC is getting
a lot of attention right now. Thirty eight percent violent
crime rate, eleven times the average murder suspect has been
arrested prior before a murder. Did you see this story, Buck,
I just I mean, it is absolutely disgraceful. A thirty
eight year old father of three in Chattanooga, Tennessee. This
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is where Legacy Boxes based, my mom's hometown. I've spent
a lot of time in Chattanooga in my life. Not
a huge city, but a city and an example of crime.
Thirty eight year old father of three.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Was in town for his high school.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Reunion, got shot and killed by a man in downtown Chattanooga.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
He had done nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The guy had been arrested sixty six prior times.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
How is it remotely possible that you could be arrested
sixty six times, including for violent felonies firing guns that
could have gotten people killed. This guy, by the way,
Christopher Wright, just had he had an eight week old child,
three young kids, twentieth anniversary of his high school, Baylor
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High School. And this guy's a career criminal. Sixty six
arrests buck and he just shot him right in the
head in downtown.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Where are the marches?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Where is the organization that we saw? You know, George
Floyd is killed in an altercation with a police officer,
and it turns in it not just a national but
a global phenomenon of you know, apology, and we have
to come to grips with this and systemic racism and
all this stuff. If it's really about protecting human life
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and treating human life as sacred, which it is, where
is the sense of outrage and organization to go to
the street, to change policies, to change our perception over
an incident like what you just talked about, Clay, which
is far, unfortunately, far more common than incidents of law
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enforcement fatality in interacting with someone who's a civilian. I
think it just goes to show you how this issue
now has gotten divorced from what is obvious and turned
into just pure politics.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's not about keeping people safe. This guy, by the way,
I want to make sure the man who was murdered.
I mean, if you look at this photo, I mean
he's got an eight week old baby, two young kids.
Also in addition to the eight week old, guy's been
arrested sixty six times.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Who shot him?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
He was a high school football and baseball player who
went to Yale, came back to chattanow Uga, had been
a successful businessman.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, I just.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Sixty six times, sixty six times, I mean Clay.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
When the prosecutor was facing this individual who had been
arrested for the for the tenth time, was there was
there no part of the prosecutor in in you know,
Chattanooga or wherever wherever the tenth arrest was said, I
think we got to take this guy off the streets.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
He's a real danger to the public. This is this
is crazy too. The mayor came out.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Chattanooga Mayor Tim Kelly said it was an isolated act
of gun violence and said it was unavoidable.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I'm sorry, unavoidable.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
At no point in time this guy had been arrested
before Buck for firing a gun into a into a house.
He never spent more than six months in prison, despite
the fact that he'd been arrested sixty six times. I
how is not a failure of It's a complete failure
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of society.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
This total failure of society. And this should be this
should be an all hands on deck. We should all
be able to come together and agree. People talk about
where's bipartisanship, you know, they talk about bipartisanship when they
want to pass another trillion or two trillion or whatever
it is of spending. Where's the bipartisanship in We need
to keep each other safe on the streets of our cities.
And that's not about politics. That's just about what's decent
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and moral.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
No.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
For Democrats, social justice means we can't have the policies
we need to keep everybody safer, to save lives, to
save that. I mean, when you do analysis Clay of
when New York went from two thousand murders to four
hundred or so from the beginning of Giuliani to the
end of Bloomberg's time in office, I think it actually
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got through around three hundred at one point. And you
just add up those numbers of lives over the years,
and then you turn around you say, where are these
movements that say that lives matter so much? We don't
hear very much from them, now, do we. So this
is an important issue going into a year when the
American people are forced or in a position to make
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Speaker 2 (16:11):
From the front lines of truth, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
This is just back in March of twenty twenty three,
Democrat DC Council Chairman Mendelssohn telling everybody there is no
crime crisis in d C.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I know this belies to common belief and when it
comes to crime, how people feel is important.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
But there is not a crime crisis in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
There actually is, so we all understand. The numbers speak
loudly on this issue, and also the type of crimes
that are happening are very violent, very aggressive, very brazen,
and that this is occurring in DC. Clay Democrats in Congress,
we all have to remember this. Stop the DC City
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Council from making a less from changing the laws so
that effectively people get even less of a punishment. And
you know, Los Angeles, the zero bail policy for all
nonviolent criminals has gone into effect today in Los Angeles.
How do you think that's going to go How do
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you mean that's gonna help the shoplifting problem. I mean,
just think about sixty six arrests.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I can't stop thinking about the fact that Chattanooga arrested
this guy sixty six times and then he murdered in
cold blood, a father of three going to his high
school reunion downtown. And that's just a representative sample of
what violence is wreaking all over the country. Innocent people
being gunned down because we don't put bad guys behind bars.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And I know we say it, but it bears repeating.
The same DC system that won't do things that it
needs to locked up nonviolent first time offenders in solitary
in advance of trial.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
For over a year, the only people getting prosecuted in
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in as disgusted as we are about what happened in
Chattanooga and also just crime in general. Jim emails and says,
what happened to the three strikes in your outlaw that
Bill Clinton got put into law. You can do something
about people being killed and heard if you enforced laws.
We already have stop being easy on criminals because we're
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worried about hurting feelings. The three strikes in your outlaw, Buck,
as best I remember, was three felonies and you go
to jail for the rest of your life. And basically
that was a part of the nineteen ninety four crime Bill,
I believe, which has effectively been repudiated now by Democrats
because they've decided that being too tough on criminals is
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racist and evidence of systemic racism. And that's why I think, honestly,
you end up with a guy out sixty six times now.
He might have been arrested a lot on demeanors as
a part of those sixty six but at a minimum,
one of those arrests a decade ago was him firing
the gun into a house with four people there, and
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this kind of Again, every community has a story like this, Buck.
But was that last summer that we talked about the
Eliza Fletcher I believe was her name, out of Memphis,
the mother who was on a jog early in the
morning training for a marathon, if I remember correctly, and
for people who live in the South, you understand this now, buck,
if you want to go for a run out doors,
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it's so hot in the summer that a lot of
people get up early in the morning. My wife does
this quite a lot, and you jog early in the
morning on the streets before your kids go to school,
before the day starts off. She was a victim, completely innocent,
was murdered on that jog. And now in Chattanooga, this
guy who's going to his twentieth high school reunion shot
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and killed by a guy who's been arrested sixty six times.
The guy who had killed Eliza Fletcher should have never
been on the streets either. We got to lock more
people up, and we got to throw away the key.
I mean, I don't even see a if you are
involved in any kind of violent act, I can fill
this ground swell that is rising up all over the country.
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And I don't even think it's certainly just Republicans, lots
of independence, lots of Democrats. Crime affects everybody, and our
criminal justice system right now is broken, and much of
it is broken as a result of George Floyd.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
When we decided to throw what.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Was an existing system basically in the trash because one
guy in a viral video was mistreated by police officers,
we decided that all police officers are awful and there
should be no consequences for violent behavior.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Systemic racism is effectively a religious belief. Now it is
faith based. You are demanded to profess that you agree
with it, or else you are condemned as a heretic
because when you ask people to define it, they have
a lot of difficulty giving you any kind of definition
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that makes sense. When you ask people how you can
address it, there's just it's just nonsense what people say,
and when you try to provide data to show that
it's not. You know, it's not as though people are
being arrested in large numbers on false charges, correct, right,
It's it's it's not that these that everyone who's being
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arrested in large numbers across the country is innocent. So
it's very hard to have a conversation with the left
about this issue, just like it is on many issues.
Because systemic racism as a belief system and how that
affects our criminal justice system is now an evidence. It's
kind of a beyond evidence belief or it is unable
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to be changed based upon data and fact finding and
experience too. Right, there's the data, and there's there's the
experiential sense of what happens when you take this Soros
prosecutor approach versus what happens when you actually try to
take a law, law and order approach, which I think
is something that a lot of Republicans should have done.
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You know who don't You didn't get subjected to any
kind of a three strikes law Hunter Biden, Clay, You see,
he just went in and pleaded not guilty to the
gun charges.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Today.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
That happens. So Trump is in court, which we haven't
discussed yet and we will. Hunter Biden is in court,
which we are discussing right now. On the same day
and the plea deal collapsed. He says, the President's son
is now denying lying about being addicted to crack when
he bought a revolver. I gotta say, you know, this
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is I believe going to play out over a pretty
long period of time, and as much stress as Hunter
Biden is under. And he does look pretty stressed out
in the photos. And I can understand why. You know,
when your dad is president, you're facing federal charges. The
risks are just not very very high. There's just not
very high.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I'm actually on the gun charge. Fine, you know, bring it.
The real criminal danger to Hunter Biden, from my analysis, is,
as we talked about yesterday, the fact that he didn't
file tax returns in fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen. I
think all those years he'd either didn't file or he
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didn't pay us full taxes. And I just submit to
everybody out there listening, how many of you would not
have been charged with a crime if you had failed
to pay millions of dollars that we know of in
federal income tax, and you would set up a variety
of shell companies and to receive payments from foreign entities.
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To me, he should also be charged with FARA for
failing to register, like we have seen applied against Trump.
Are related in individuals, but every single one of us,
if we owed millions of dollars, the IRS would have
charged us with a crime.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
At this point, I was a you know you and
I are both nineties because of our ages, which are
actually quite close. To spite all the jokes I make,
we're both nineties movies, guys. Yeah, Wesley Snipes correct, I
think very underrated actor. Really was it before the whole
Avengers Marvel universe took off? The Blade movie was was
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one of the better, uh superhero you know, superhero movies,
the second and third one. I think they've made a fourth.
We're crap, but that often happened, but the first one
was actually pretty good for what it was. Major League
is one of my favorite nineties comedies. I think major
League the baseball movie, which has the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
They used to be the Indians, Yes you got that right,
this time, not the other team from Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well, they've also changed their name to the Guardians, right,
which is right in the movie. I guess they're the
Cleveland Indians. Yes, I don't think. I don't think you
can dead name a team, so I think we could
say in the movie, it's the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Anyway, I bring up Wesley Snipes.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
He he for I believe he wasnt will full of
and I know he went to prison, but I think
it was you know, willful evasion of taxes for like
one year now it was millions of dollars. He did
twenty eight months in federal prison. Yeah, for you know,
this wasn't like over many years international oligarchs or whatever.
(26:25):
Twenty eight months in federal prison for Wesley Snipes. And
you know, I'm a Wesley steps fan, so I feel
like this is truly unjust.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Willie mays Hayes one of the great characters in Major
League Did you remember his name, the Wesley Snipes character,
Willie mays Hayes.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I believe I remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
The Blade movies Demolish Passenger fifty seven. We were talking
about this the other day, wasn't he in Rising Sun
with Sean Conners? Well, I think we were talking about
off air about japan economy basically tanking starting in the nineties,
not really moving for thirty years, and whether that could
be a prelude for China. But yeah, I mean, look,
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the gun charge is fine, and I'm glad that Hunter
Biden has been charged at least with one felony, But
the real significant felonies are for failing to pay millions
of dollars in taxes, and those charges need to be
filed immediately. Will they I don't know, but they certainly
should be. To me, there's no way to defend the
fact that they haven't been filed already.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And we know, we know why they weren't filed, right,
I mean, this is it couldn't be. It couldn't be
any any more clear or obvious. I also think, you
know that there's a lot of stuff that needs to
be aired out, the notion that we have for nonviolent
for nonviolent crimes on the federal side, some of these
(27:48):
really you know Sam Bankman freed, Yeah for it starts today,
which that trial starts today. That guy's facing one hundred
something years in prison. Yeah, he's facing one hundred something.
Now it wasn't very big fraud. I understand, and we'll
see how this ends up going. But you know, they
like to make examples of people for white collar crime
(28:09):
and fraud, and the tendency among Democrats has been let's
lock people up for more and longer. Well, certainly if
they're a Republican and we don't like them, Donald Trump
and others, but also for things that would be kind
of white collar crime, right that fall into that category.
But violent crime, which is the first thing, especially in
jurisdictions where you can't conceal carry and you can't legally
(28:32):
own guns, and you know, you're just kind of left
to the whim of the state to defend yourself, you know,
true in La True in New York City. They want
to make violent crime less punished. That's been the trend
for not just really in the post George Floyd era,
that's been the trend now for over a decade.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And again, I think it's important to hammer home.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
The only place in the only people in DC who
are being prosecuted the full six cent in the law
are the January sixth defendants. Over half of all felt
andies or immediately dropped to misdemeanors. Trump and the January
sixth defendants getting prosecuted the full extend of law. Everybody
else they're just pretending that there are no crimes at all,
and they don't even have the cops to be able
to enforce the law. And I believe they're already buck
(29:15):
staff look up at this because I saw this stat yesterday.
I believe, even as we said at October, DC has
over two hundred murders and they're already at a twenty
five year high, with still all of October, November, and
December to be able unfortunately, to continue to tally additional deaths.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
One quick way to look at this numerically, how many
lives could be saved in DC based on the number
of murderers who they will or they have or will
arrest in that jurisdiction, who have been arrested more than
ten times. I guarantee you it's dozens. That may even
(29:54):
reach into three digits. How many lives have been saved
or could have been saved rather if they had just
said enough is enough, we're locking these individuals up.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I mean again, the average, if you missed it right
off the top, is eleven arrests. When they know who
the murderer is, they're able to say, oh, they were
arrested eleven prior times. This is not somebody suddenly snaps
and otherwise they have a pristine history. The average murder
defendant who is arrested and they're not clearing a lot
of these cases, unfortunately, has already been arrested eleven times
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Speaker 3 (32:03):
Eight hundred two two two eight a two On those
phone lines, you're going to take some of your calls
on the crime issue.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Just want to tell you though.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Next hour, I'm going to kick us off with more
updates on immigration, both at the border and then up
in New York City. New York City has effectively been
turned into a border town because of what is going
on with the bussing and also just migrants who want
(32:31):
to be in New York City. We've got numbers, and
I can tell you there was for this last month
of September, pretty stunning stat all time record play, all
time record illegal crossing in one month. So we're going
to discuss that coming up here and I'll tell you
what the number is. And just I think this is
(32:54):
the issue that could define the twenty twenty four election.
I think it honestly should in many ways define the
twenty two for election, so it really does matter in
every sense. Let's take some calls. We have Robert in
San Antonio, Texas, Oh, he's gone, sorry, Craig in Crystal, Michigan.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Oh yeh. I think there's a solution to these repeat
violent offenders, and it's an old solution, and it was
called being an outlaw. When the king declared you an outlaw,
you were no longer subject to the protections of the
kingdom and the crown, which would mean after a certain point,
(33:38):
you've committed enough violent crimes, you can never be a
victim of a crime in your community. Again.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I get it. I understand that argument.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I think the solution is violent criminals should just be
put behind bars. I don't think we need to go
to old English law and just, you know, let people
get gunned down in the streets because they're not going
to be protected anymore. I don't know where the number is,
but for those of you just gotten in your car,
we're talking about this awful killing of a completely innocent
guy in Chattanooga, Tennessee, father of three who's there for
(34:08):
his twentieth anniversary of this Baylor school, which is a
prominent high school in the Chattanoogay area. He gets gunned down,
He's got an eight week old kid, and the guy
who shot him has been arrested sixty six times. I
don't know what the numbers should be, but we did
have three strikes in your out back in the day.
If you get arrested sixty six times, like you shouldn't
(34:31):
have been able to be arrested sixty six times. You
should have been in prison already.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And when you look at legislation in a lot of
these cities that are experiencing this, if Democrats are in charge, Clay,
they continue to push even more in this direction. Right,
you would think that they would be moving in the
direction of law and order and doing everything possible, but
that's actually not what they do. They still think, you know,
cashless bail and all these other procedures which have been
(35:00):
disastrous should be replicated again. Because I think that this
has turned into it it's it is like a religious belief.
It's this is we have to purge ourselves of our
historic injustice, or of our systemic insufficiencies or whatever by
having higher crime rates in cities and having more people
get shot and killed, because that's just the reality. This
(35:22):
is like to the to the left, this is the
price we pay. To the Soros DA's, it's definitely the
price we pay.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah. Two things.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Buck One, the price is being paid by prim primarily
inner city residents, so it is yes, because they're overwhelmingly
the victims of violence. Second part of this, from a
purely political perspective, what George Soros did was brilliant. Again,
purely from a political perspective, he realized that with a
(35:49):
relatively small amount of money that is influencing these DA
elections in so many cities, he could fundamentally transform the
way that we dealt with crime in America. And when
you look at what it costs to, for instance, win
a statewide Senate race, it's oftentimes thirty forty million, depending
on where the state is. Certainly in any big state,
(36:10):
you could fundamentally transform policing and prosecution in this country
by spending a few million dollars because typically these races
don't cost very much for who's.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Going to be the DA.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
And it's fascinating. I have friends who ask me. They'll say,
why would Soros or anyone affiliate with him? Why would
they want to do this, and this is where I
get back to the religious sense of there's a purification
of our society that needs to happen through increased crime rates.
That's how we pay for our historic misdeeds or something.
It's crazy, but you can't make sense of it other way.
(36:44):
What do they think they're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I think Buck they thought that these guys were being
over punished and they could put them back on the
streets and crime wouldn't change.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
And they've been proven to be one billion percent wrong
on that
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. We have got a bevy
of stories to track with you. Drama in the House
of Representatives as the speakership of Kevin McCarthy is potentially
in danger. We will continue to update you throughout the
course of the program as that plays itself out. But
(00:28):
there are a lot of different stories to discuss. But
crime is right now on the top of many people's minds,
particularly crime in Washington, d C. And other cities where
crime has continued to skyrocket. Buck, I'm reading from Lucas
Tomlinson's report that he put out earlier this morning. Lucas
(00:51):
Tomlinson is a Fox News correspondent. He said, in Washington, DC,
the average murder suspect has eleven prior arrests.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That is, according to police.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Violent crime is up thirty eight percent this year over
last year in DC. By the way, Buck and I
will be in DC in two weeks for multiple days
as a part of our new affiliate I believe is
it one oh four point seven that you can listen
to us, and many of you are listening right now
all over the Washington, DC area.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
As hopefully I'll be a personal security detail in the
word hopefully, hopefully we will be safe. I went to
college there. Buck has lived in d C. Thirty eight
percent increase in crime and a lot of attention. As
Muriel Bowser, who is DC's mayor, says, DC, how much
(01:47):
short do you think they are of how many cops Buck,
they need to be able to run effectively the police
presence in Washington.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
D C.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm am sure they are short, hundreds.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Four hundred, she says. Remember DC was one of the
capitals of the defund the police movement. Well, now they're saying, look,
we got a lot of policies. It turns out that
makes it hard to hire police officers. You've got a
Democrat congressman who was carjacked and outside of an apartment
(02:21):
building that is very popular with congress people to be
staying there when they're traveling for work. But listen to
DC Mayor Muriel Bowser say, yeah, we're four hundred cops short,
and we're having difficulty recruiting them because the policies we
put in place.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
We need more officers, we don't have the officers that
we need and Sadly, we've lost three to four hundred
officers in the last four years. We haven't had officers
in our schools, and we have policies that make it
difficult to create recruit new officers.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How predictable is this buck that the defund the police movement,
which I think is the single dumbest political argument of
the twenty first century, has led to skyrocketing crime rates.
And now people in many of these cities with skyrocketing
crime rates want more police, but they have put in
place policies where police say.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Why in the world would we ever work there.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
This is the cascading effect that you see from these
bad decisions. What happens when, in order to play Kate,
for example, a anti police mob and any jurisdiction in
any city, you know, when they decide that some law
enforcement officer is going to pay the price for historic
injustice or society's ills or whatever. All the other cops
(03:43):
see that and they take note of it, and they
start to say to themselves, well, hold on a second,
maybe I don't want to go down that dark alley
when I see a fleeing felon because I don't want
to have to wrestle that person. I don't want to
get into a force en force situation. Heather MacDonald, who
we've had on the show many times, term this the
Ferguson effect, where police do less because they know they
(04:07):
are less supported, because they know that the politics where
they happen to work are on the side of the criminal.
Tie goes to the criminal in essence, if you will,
or if anything comes even close in a force incident,
the criminal is going to get the benefit of the doubt.
You also add to that then the early retirements and
the difficulty in recruitment, which you know, you're kind of
(04:30):
cutting things down at both ends. You're cutting the tree
down at both ends, so to speak, because people don't
want to sign up in these jurisdictions, and they also
want to get out of it faster, because I mean,
the worst nightmare for a lot of cops, short of
losing your freedom and being imprisoned, is to lose your pension.
And that's not even a criminal matter. That's something that
can happen because of departmental discipline. And you might have
(04:54):
worked for you know, you might have be right up
near your twenty your twentieth year when you in most
places would get your pension, and you can lose it
because of a video that someone takes. If you wrestling
some maniac to the ground. It you know, it's not.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They're going to edit, by the way back to the
twenty seconds that make the police officer look the worst. Right,
You're not even going to see the full fruition of
that interaction.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, and you also are seeing Look, I always I
thought it was really grotesque when during COVID anybody who
was opposed to lockdowns, let's say, if they got or
if they were hospitalized or even maybe died from COVID,
there were all these people online that were sharing the
sea and it's like, well, as we know, it actually
(05:36):
had nothing. You know, everybody basically got COVID, so that
had nothing to do with anything. That was an inhumane
and idiotic position that they were taking. But it is
it is noted by many people that You've seen a
few instances, I mean one in particular, you see this
CBS News in New York there was this long time
social justice advocate who was basically a community organizer, and
(06:02):
he was just stabbed to death on the streets of
Crown Heights.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Earlier this week in New York, city.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And he was with his girlfriend. Some guy came up
to him and said, what are you looking at and
stabbed them to death.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I mean, just the.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Worst kind of you know, heinous, out of nowhere crime.
I mean, this is an individual who, first of all,
you know, the whole thing is horrible, but was part
of the system with community organizing and the left wing
apparatus in a city like New York, of ending the
kind of policing and ending the kind of procedures that
(06:37):
make people safer.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
On the streets.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So now people are looking at this and they're saying,
you know, I mean Nancy Pelosi another example of this
with their husband and their district in San Francisco. The
Liberals who push for the policies that make these places
more dangerous are actually now falling victim to some of
the policies themselves, and people are taking note of that.
We haven't even mentioned yet. Clay Congressman Quaar Yep. Congressman
(07:01):
Quay Are, a mile from the Capitol building, was just
carjacked in the last in the last twenty four hours,
you know, and now I'm not even sure what his
positions have been on police, and I think he's actually
more of a centrist Democrat.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But that's irrelevant to members of Congress.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
We're getting carjacked in a nation's capital.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Here we have him talking about it. I think buck
cut two.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah, you're just coming into my place. Three guys came
out of nowhere, and they pointed guns at me. I
do have a black belt, but I recognized when you
got three guns. I looked at one with a gun,
another one with a gun, of the one behind me.
So they said they wanted my car, and say sure,
(07:45):
you got to keep common to those situations, and then
they took off.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
They recovered the car play.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
First of all, I mean a black belt. One guy
has a gun, one guy has a knife. You know
you're black belt. You're got John.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Wick here, right, You're not au Reeves and the matrix,
the idea of fighting off three people with guns is
a Hollywood fan of And he said he was a
black belt.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, you have zero, You have zero chance effectively, And
I'm glad. Look he did the right thing, which is
just to concede and give them, give them the vehicle.
You know, most important thing is to get off the
ex so to speak, and be safe yourself and keep
you and your loved ones safe. But you have a
member of Congress's carjack a mile from the capital, not
far from the Capitol building itself, it starts to hit home.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think for people.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The these things don't have to be happening. And that's
why when you started with the number of times that
these individuals who are arrested for homicides have been arrested previously,
we were all led to believe by the media, and
I will say there were Republicans who went along with this,
that our criminal justice system had just become a mass
(08:53):
incarceration machinery. Remember that was the term incarceration.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yes, that was.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Far too harsh on first time, low level, nonviolent offenders.
And somehow that in just the span of a few
years transformed into we got people being arrested one hundred
times and the one hundred and first time, you know,
they they're cracking an old lady over the head with
a bat, or they're pushing somebody in front of an
oncoming subway trainer, or whatever the case, whatever the heinous
(09:20):
crime may be, and we're supposed to think that the
system is what functioning properly.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean, Clay, how.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Much more clear could the failure be And you know,
the issue here is I don't think Joe Biden is
as vulnerable on this as he should be because he recognized,
you know, he's been in the game a long time.
He knows. I think he kind of knew what was coming.
That's why he didn't get on the defund police train
like some others did. But for the Democrats, especially in
(09:49):
cities and in state, you know, in congressional elections, city
state elections, there have to be consequences for this. And
maybe the consequences are just the continued flight of people
from these poorly managed cities where they're not going to
be able to pay the police forces. And you just
get into the spiral.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I also wanted to mention, so DC is getting
a lot of attention right now. Thirty eight percent violent
crime rate, eleven times the average murder suspect has been
arrested prior before a murder. Did you see this story, Buck,
I just I mean, it is absolutely disgraceful. A thirty
eight year old father of three in Chattanooga, Tennessee. This
(10:29):
is where Legacy Boxes based, my mom's hometown. I've spent
a lot of time in Chattanooga in my life. Not
a huge city, but a city and an example of crime.
Thirty eight year old father of three.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Was in town for his high school.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Reunion, got shot and killed by a man in downtown Chattanooga.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
He had done nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The guy had been arrested sixty six prior times.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
How is it remotely possible that you could be arrested
sixty six times, including for violent felonies firing guns that
could have gotten people killed. This guy, by the way,
Christopher Wright, just had he had an eight week old child,
three young kids, twentieth anniversary of his high school, Baylor
(11:25):
High School. And this guy's a career criminal. Sixty six
arrests buck and he just shot him right in the
head in downtown.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Where are the marches?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Where is the organization that we saw? You know, George
Floyd is killed in an altercation with a police officer,
and it turns in it not just a national but
a global phenomenon of you know, apology, and we have
to come to grips with this and systemic racism and
all this stuff. If it's really about protecting human life
(12:01):
and treating human life as sacred, which it is, where
is the sense of outrage and organization to go to
the street, to change policies, to change our perception over
an incident like what you just talked about, Clay, which
is far, unfortunately, far more common than incidents of law
(12:22):
enforcement fatality in interacting with someone who's a civilian. I
think it just goes to show you how this issue
now has gotten divorced from what is obvious and turned
into just pure politics.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's not about keeping people safe. This guy, by the way,
I want to make sure the man who was murdered.
I mean, if you look at this photo, I mean
he's got an eight week old baby, two young kids.
Also in addition to the eight week old, guy's been
arrested sixty six times.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Who shot him?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
He was a high school football and baseball player who
went to Yale, came back to chattanow Uga, had been
a successful businessman.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, I just.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Sixty six times, sixty six times, I mean Clay.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
When the prosecutor was facing this individual who had been
arrested for the for the tenth time, was there was
there no part of the prosecutor in in you know,
Chattanooga or wherever wherever the tenth arrest was said, I
think we got to take this guy off the streets.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
He's a real danger to the public. This is this
is crazy too. The mayor came out.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Chattanooga Mayor Tim Kelly said it was an isolated act
of gun violence and said it was unavoidable.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I'm sorry, unavoidable.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
At no point in time this guy had been arrested
before Buck for firing a gun into a into a house.
He never spent more than six months in prison, despite
the fact that he'd been arrested sixty six times. I
how is not a failure of It's a complete failure
(14:05):
of society.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
This total failure of society. And this should be this
should be an all hands on deck. We should all
be able to come together and agree. People talk about
where's bipartisanship, you know, they talk about bipartisanship when they
want to pass another trillion or two trillion or whatever
it is of spending. Where's the bipartisanship in We need
to keep each other safe on the streets of our cities.
And that's not about politics. That's just about what's decent
(14:30):
and moral.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
No.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
For Democrats, social justice means we can't have the policies
we need to keep everybody safer, to save lives, to
save that. I mean, when you do analysis Clay of
when New York went from two thousand murders to four
hundred or so from the beginning of Giuliani to the
end of Bloomberg's time in office, I think it actually
(14:53):
got through around three hundred at one point. And you
just add up those numbers of lives over the years,
and then you turn around you say, where are these
movements that say that lives matter so much? We don't
hear very much from them, now, do we. So this
is an important issue going into a year when the
American people are forced or in a position to make
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Speaker 2 (16:11):
From the front lines of truth, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
This is just back in March of twenty twenty three,
Democrat DC Council Chairman Mendelssohn telling everybody there is no
crime crisis in d C.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I know this belies to common belief and when it
comes to crime, how people feel is important.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
But there is not a crime crisis in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
There actually is, so we all understand. The numbers speak
loudly on this issue, and also the type of crimes
that are happening are very violent, very aggressive, very brazen,
and that this is occurring in DC. Clay Democrats in Congress,
we all have to remember this. Stop the DC City
(16:59):
Council from making a less from changing the laws so
that effectively people get even less of a punishment. And
you know, Los Angeles, the zero bail policy for all
nonviolent criminals has gone into effect today in Los Angeles.
How do you think that's going to go How do
(17:19):
you mean that's gonna help the shoplifting problem. I mean,
just think about sixty six arrests.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I can't stop thinking about the fact that Chattanooga arrested
this guy sixty six times and then he murdered in
cold blood, a father of three going to his high
school reunion downtown. And that's just a representative sample of
what violence is wreaking all over the country. Innocent people
being gunned down because we don't put bad guys behind bars.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And I know we say it, but it bears repeating.
The same DC system that won't do things that it
needs to locked up nonviolent first time offenders in solitary
in advance of trial.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
For over a year, the only people getting prosecuted in
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Chattanooga and also just crime in general. Jim emails and says,
what happened to the three strikes in your outlaw that
Bill Clinton got put into law. You can do something
about people being killed and heard if you enforced laws.
We already have stop being easy on criminals because we're
(19:25):
worried about hurting feelings. The three strikes in your outlaw, Buck,
as best I remember, was three felonies and you go
to jail for the rest of your life. And basically
that was a part of the nineteen ninety four crime Bill,
I believe, which has effectively been repudiated now by Democrats
because they've decided that being too tough on criminals is
(19:48):
racist and evidence of systemic racism. And that's why I think, honestly,
you end up with a guy out sixty six times now.
He might have been arrested a lot on demeanors as
a part of those sixty six but at a minimum,
one of those arrests a decade ago was him firing
the gun into a house with four people there, and
(20:11):
this kind of Again, every community has a story like this, Buck.
But was that last summer that we talked about the
Eliza Fletcher I believe was her name, out of Memphis,
the mother who was on a jog early in the
morning training for a marathon, if I remember correctly, and
for people who live in the South, you understand this now, buck,
if you want to go for a run out doors,
(20:31):
it's so hot in the summer that a lot of
people get up early in the morning. My wife does
this quite a lot, and you jog early in the
morning on the streets before your kids go to school,
before the day starts off. She was a victim, completely innocent,
was murdered on that jog. And now in Chattanooga, this
guy who's going to his twentieth high school reunion shot
(20:52):
and killed by a guy who's been arrested sixty six times.
The guy who had killed Eliza Fletcher should have never
been on the streets either. We got to lock more
people up, and we got to throw away the key.
I mean, I don't even see a if you are
involved in any kind of violent act, I can fill
this ground swell that is rising up all over the country.
(21:13):
And I don't even think it's certainly just Republicans, lots
of independence, lots of Democrats. Crime affects everybody, and our
criminal justice system right now is broken, and much of
it is broken as a result of George Floyd.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
When we decided to throw what.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Was an existing system basically in the trash because one
guy in a viral video was mistreated by police officers,
we decided that all police officers are awful and there
should be no consequences for violent behavior.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Systemic racism is effectively a religious belief. Now it is
faith based. You are demanded to profess that you agree
with it, or else you are condemned as a heretic
because when you ask people to define it, they have
a lot of difficulty giving you any kind of definition
(22:01):
that makes sense. When you ask people how you can
address it, there's just it's just nonsense what people say,
and when you try to provide data to show that
it's not. You know, it's not as though people are
being arrested in large numbers on false charges, correct, right,
It's it's it's not that these that everyone who's being
(22:23):
arrested in large numbers across the country is innocent. So
it's very hard to have a conversation with the left
about this issue, just like it is on many issues.
Because systemic racism as a belief system and how that
affects our criminal justice system is now an evidence. It's
kind of a beyond evidence belief or it is unable
(22:45):
to be changed based upon data and fact finding and
experience too. Right, there's the data, and there's there's the
experiential sense of what happens when you take this Soros
prosecutor approach versus what happens when you actually try to
take a law, law and order approach, which I think
is something that a lot of Republicans should have done.
(23:07):
You know who don't You didn't get subjected to any
kind of a three strikes law Hunter Biden, Clay, You see,
he just went in and pleaded not guilty to the
gun charges.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Today.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
That happens. So Trump is in court, which we haven't
discussed yet and we will. Hunter Biden is in court,
which we are discussing right now. On the same day
and the plea deal collapsed. He says, the President's son
is now denying lying about being addicted to crack when
he bought a revolver. I gotta say, you know, this
(23:45):
is I believe going to play out over a pretty
long period of time, and as much stress as Hunter
Biden is under. And he does look pretty stressed out
in the photos. And I can understand why. You know,
when your dad is president, you're facing federal charges. The
risks are just not very very high. There's just not
very high.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I'm actually on the gun charge. Fine, you know, bring it.
The real criminal danger to Hunter Biden, from my analysis, is,
as we talked about yesterday, the fact that he didn't
file tax returns in fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen. I
think all those years he'd either didn't file or he
(24:25):
didn't pay us full taxes. And I just submit to
everybody out there listening, how many of you would not
have been charged with a crime if you had failed
to pay millions of dollars that we know of in
federal income tax, and you would set up a variety
of shell companies and to receive payments from foreign entities.
(24:46):
To me, he should also be charged with FARA for
failing to register, like we have seen applied against Trump.
Are related in individuals, but every single one of us,
if we owed millions of dollars, the IRS would have
charged us with a crime.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
At this point, I was a you know you and
I are both nineties because of our ages, which are
actually quite close. To spite all the jokes I make,
we're both nineties movies, guys. Yeah, Wesley Snipes correct, I
think very underrated actor. Really was it before the whole
Avengers Marvel universe took off? The Blade movie was was
(25:23):
one of the better, uh superhero you know, superhero movies,
the second and third one. I think they've made a fourth.
We're crap, but that often happened, but the first one
was actually pretty good for what it was. Major League
is one of my favorite nineties comedies. I think major
League the baseball movie, which has the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
They used to be the Indians, Yes you got that right,
this time, not the other team from Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well, they've also changed their name to the Guardians, right,
which is right in the movie. I guess they're the
Cleveland Indians. Yes, I don't think. I don't think you
can dead name a team, so I think we could
say in the movie, it's the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Anyway, I bring up Wesley Snipes.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
He he for I believe he wasnt will full of
and I know he went to prison, but I think
it was you know, willful evasion of taxes for like
one year now it was millions of dollars. He did
twenty eight months in federal prison. Yeah, for you know,
this wasn't like over many years international oligarchs or whatever.
(26:25):
Twenty eight months in federal prison for Wesley Snipes. And
you know, I'm a Wesley steps fan, so I feel
like this is truly unjust.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Willie mays Hayes one of the great characters in Major
League Did you remember his name, the Wesley Snipes character,
Willie mays Hayes.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I believe I remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
The Blade movies Demolish Passenger fifty seven. We were talking
about this the other day, wasn't he in Rising Sun
with Sean Conners? Well, I think we were talking about
off air about japan economy basically tanking starting in the nineties,
not really moving for thirty years, and whether that could
be a prelude for China. But yeah, I mean, look,
(27:08):
the gun charge is fine, and I'm glad that Hunter
Biden has been charged at least with one felony, But
the real significant felonies are for failing to pay millions
of dollars in taxes, and those charges need to be
filed immediately. Will they I don't know, but they certainly
should be. To me, there's no way to defend the
fact that they haven't been filed already.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And we know, we know why they weren't filed, right,
I mean, this is it couldn't be. It couldn't be
any any more clear or obvious. I also think, you
know that there's a lot of stuff that needs to
be aired out, the notion that we have for nonviolent
for nonviolent crimes on the federal side, some of these
(27:48):
really you know Sam Bankman freed, Yeah for it starts today,
which that trial starts today. That guy's facing one hundred
something years in prison. Yeah, he's facing one hundred something.
Now it wasn't very big fraud. I understand, and we'll
see how this ends up going. But you know, they
like to make examples of people for white collar crime
(28:09):
and fraud, and the tendency among Democrats has been let's
lock people up for more and longer. Well, certainly if
they're a Republican and we don't like them, Donald Trump
and others, but also for things that would be kind
of white collar crime, right that fall into that category.
But violent crime, which is the first thing, especially in
jurisdictions where you can't conceal carry and you can't legally
(28:32):
own guns, and you know, you're just kind of left
to the whim of the state to defend yourself, you know,
true in La True in New York City. They want
to make violent crime less punished. That's been the trend
for not just really in the post George Floyd era,
that's been the trend now for over a decade.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And again, I think it's important to hammer home.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
The only place in the only people in DC who
are being prosecuted the full six cent in the law
are the January sixth defendants. Over half of all felt
andies or immediately dropped to misdemeanors. Trump and the January
sixth defendants getting prosecuted the full extend of law. Everybody
else they're just pretending that there are no crimes at all,
and they don't even have the cops to be able
to enforce the law. And I believe they're already buck
(29:15):
staff look up at this because I saw this stat yesterday.
I believe, even as we said at October, DC has
over two hundred murders and they're already at a twenty
five year high, with still all of October, November, and
December to be able unfortunately, to continue to tally additional deaths.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
One quick way to look at this numerically, how many
lives could be saved in DC based on the number
of murderers who they will or they have or will
arrest in that jurisdiction, who have been arrested more than
ten times. I guarantee you it's dozens. That may even
(29:54):
reach into three digits. How many lives have been saved
or could have been saved rather if they had just
said enough is enough, we're locking these individuals up.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I mean again, the average, if you missed it right
off the top, is eleven arrests. When they know who
the murderer is, they're able to say, oh, they were
arrested eleven prior times. This is not somebody suddenly snaps
and otherwise they have a pristine history. The average murder
defendant who is arrested and they're not clearing a lot
of these cases, unfortunately, has already been arrested eleven times
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Speaker 3 (32:03):
Eight hundred two two two eight a two On those
phone lines, you're going to take some of your calls
on the crime issue.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Just want to tell you though.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Next hour, I'm going to kick us off with more
updates on immigration, both at the border and then up
in New York City. New York City has effectively been
turned into a border town because of what is going
on with the bussing and also just migrants who want
(32:31):
to be in New York City. We've got numbers, and
I can tell you there was for this last month
of September, pretty stunning stat all time record play, all
time record illegal crossing in one month. So we're going
to discuss that coming up here and I'll tell you
what the number is. And just I think this is
(32:54):
the issue that could define the twenty twenty four election.
I think it honestly should in many ways define the
twenty two for election, so it really does matter in
every sense. Let's take some calls. We have Robert in
San Antonio, Texas, Oh, he's gone, sorry, Craig in Crystal, Michigan.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Oh yeh. I think there's a solution to these repeat
violent offenders, and it's an old solution, and it was
called being an outlaw. When the king declared you an outlaw,
you were no longer subject to the protections of the
kingdom and the crown, which would mean after a certain point,
(33:38):
you've committed enough violent crimes, you can never be a
victim of a crime in your community. Again.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I get it. I understand that argument.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I think the solution is violent criminals should just be
put behind bars. I don't think we need to go
to old English law and just, you know, let people
get gunned down in the streets because they're not going
to be protected anymore. I don't know where the number is,
but for those of you just gotten in your car,
we're talking about this awful killing of a completely innocent
guy in Chattanooga, Tennessee, father of three who's there for
(34:08):
his twentieth anniversary of this Baylor school, which is a
prominent high school in the Chattanoogay area. He gets gunned down,
He's got an eight week old kid, and the guy
who shot him has been arrested sixty six times. I
don't know what the numbers should be, but we did
have three strikes in your out back in the day.
If you get arrested sixty six times, like you shouldn't
(34:31):
have been able to be arrested sixty six times. You
should have been in prison already.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And when you look at legislation in a lot of
these cities that are experiencing this, if Democrats are in charge, Clay,
they continue to push even more in this direction. Right,
you would think that they would be moving in the
direction of law and order and doing everything possible, but
that's actually not what they do. They still think, you know,
cashless bail and all these other procedures which have been
(35:00):
disastrous should be replicated again. Because I think that this
has turned into it it's it is like a religious belief.
It's this is we have to purge ourselves of our
historic injustice, or of our systemic insufficiencies or whatever by
having higher crime rates in cities and having more people
get shot and killed, because that's just the reality. This
(35:22):
is like to the to the left, this is the
price we pay. To the Soros DA's, it's definitely the
price we pay.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah. Two things.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Buck One, the price is being paid by prim primarily
inner city residents, so it is yes, because they're overwhelmingly
the victims of violence. Second part of this, from a
purely political perspective, what George Soros did was brilliant. Again,
purely from a political perspective, he realized that with a
(35:49):
relatively small amount of money that is influencing these DA
elections in so many cities, he could fundamentally transform the
way that we dealt with crime in America. And when
you look at what it costs to, for instance, win
a statewide Senate race, it's oftentimes thirty forty million, depending
on where the state is. Certainly in any big state,
(36:10):
you could fundamentally transform policing and prosecution in this country
by spending a few million dollars because typically these races
don't cost very much for who's.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Going to be the DA.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
And it's fascinating. I have friends who ask me. They'll say,
why would Soros or anyone affiliate with him? Why would
they want to do this, and this is where I
get back to the religious sense of there's a purification
of our society that needs to happen through increased crime rates.
That's how we pay for our historic misdeeds or something.
It's crazy, but you can't make sense of it other way.
(36:44):
What do they think they're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I think Buck they thought that these guys were being
over punished and they could put them back on the
streets and crime wouldn't change.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
And they've been proven to be one billion percent wrong
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