October 2, 2023 • 36 mins
Democrat Congressman Jamaal Bowman pulls fire alarm in Congress to prevent gov't funding vote. MSNBC reports he pulled it by accident. AOC defends Bowman. Merrick Garland defends himself in 60 Minutes interview, cries over threats to democracy. Callers on pulling fire alarms, including their own extreme official punishments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. Monday edition of Clay and
Buck kicks off right now. We've got a lot of
stories to get through, a lot to talk about all
across this great land of ours. Attorney General Merrick Garland
was on TV over the weekend insisting that dej officials
(00:23):
do not allow partisan considerations to play any role in
their determination. Sure, we'll discuss that. You have Donald Trump
appearing in his fraud trial in New York City. We'll
have some updates on that one for you. They are
coming at Trump not only in four different criminal indictments,
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but also civil civil assault using the legal system against
Donald Trump. Clay and I haven't gotten to talk together
yet here on air about the possibility of an RFK Junior. Well,
we've talked at the possibility, but RFK Junior has brought
up that this may actually happen. Something to discuss the
likely new senator from the state of California, certainly a
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topic we should be discussing. You've got a couple scientists
get the Nobel Prize in Medicine for the discoveries that
enable the mRNA vaccines development to fight against COVID feels
like it feels like maybe a little bit of politics
in this, because it's not like they just figured it
out recently. So we'll have that conversation here as well.
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But of all the things that I saw, and I
moved on Friday, so I was really I was out
of the news cycle. I was clay stacking boxes and
carrying them and complaining about my lower back and doing
the things that one does during a move. The government
getting funded not a surprise, and I know that there
are people we can talk about it. The back and
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forth with Speaker Kevin McCarthy and did he sell out?
And is he the McCarthy that people thought he was
until about what was it the beginning of this year
or no, yes, the beginning of this year when he
was all of a sudden based hardcore you could count
on him, Speaker McCarthy. Seems like maybe some people have
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a little bit of a different opinion right now. But
the most interesting thing that I saw, the moment when
I was thinking, Wow, this is what it's fun to
be on radio Clay, this is when you have something
to discuss, is the pulling of a fire alarm by
Congressman Jamal Bowman, and the efforts to try to explain
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this away over the course of the weekend. The decision
that they were going to back this up Clay was
absolutely crazy. Wait here we go. Here is MSNBC. So
just so we're all clear that they're trying to have
a vote to fund the government and a Democrat member
of Congress decides to pull the fire alarm in Congress
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so they can't hold the vote. Right, that's the video.
These are the facts of the case. They are not
in dispute. Everyone agrees. Here is MSNBC trying to explain
this one play.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
For there was a mention of Jamal Bowman. Congressman Jamal
Bowman and the pulling of some sort of fire alarm.
I just want to read for you some of the
reporting so you understand what actually went on there. There
are some reports that began to emerge about Representative Bowman
who is seen pulling some sort of fire alarm in
the Cannon House office building. Earlier today we got a
statement on that saying Congressman Bowman did not realize he
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would trigger a building alarm as he was rushing to
make an urgent vote. The congressman regrets any confusion. Just
to clarify some things on that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I just just to clarify, Clay, how many accidental fire
alarm pulls in the halls of any building have you
done in your life? Because I know the answer for
me is zero zero.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And I think this is one so fun because it's
so profoundly stupid. It'd be one thing if he had
gone through a door, because I was thinking about this
as this story continued to grow, and I bet you
have done this two buck. In fact, I did it
recently at a New York City hotel. There was a
long wait for an elevator. I've just like, screw it,
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I'm just going to go down the stairs myself. You
get down to ground level and there's kind of a
door that's a little bit cracked open, but it says,
you know, if you open this door, the emergency alarm
is going to go off, and you make the decision.
You're like, yeah, I don't think the emergency alarm is
actually going to go off. You walk out through the door.
I've never set off an alert emergency alarm on a
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door before, but to make the decision if he had
done that, I would say oh, you know, maybe he's
making the decision that he doesn't think this alarm is
going to go off, Maybe this door is not actually alarmed,
which I don't. It feels like seventy five percent of
the time those emergency exit door alarms are not actually armed,
and people go in and out of them all the time.
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But to make the decision to pull the alarm on
the wall unless there is a fire and you are
trying to create a fire alarm, I can't imagine anybody
over the age of like five or six intentionally doing
that and trying to make an excuse because there is
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no defense in that position. It is going to go off, right,
And so I just I don't know what the consequences
from a legal perspective should be for him. Although using
January sixth as a precedent where everybody who did anything
remotely to forestall the execution of the government's business was
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punished to the full extent of the law. Based on
that precedent, there should be criminal charges brought, but at
a minimum, he should own what he did, which was
very intentional and it appears designed to create more time
for Democrats to be able to react to the situation.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
When there was.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Certainly a rush job at a foot to try to
pass a variety of different bills.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I mean, what's your take.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Should he be prosecuted criminally? In your mind, it is
such a stupid thing to do, right, But the precedent
they've set is full extent of the law prosecution for
stupid things that truly weren't threats. I mean, if you're
putting Grandma's in jail for walking around with selfie sticks
in the Capitol, then a congress person pulling a fire
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alarm intentionally seems like it should be criminal. It's definitely
a crime.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
The question is will they prosecute and what would the
punishment be. Look, this happened when I was in college.
People would do this. They would get drunk and perhaps
smoke certain substances, and they thought it was somehow funny.
This this was a We had a plague of this
on our canvas for a while, many many years ago.
People would pull the fire alarm because the fire trucks
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would all show up and everyone have to get outside
of it.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
By the way, And also the result of this is
when you have all these false fire alarms go off,
eventually you just don't react to a fire alarm, and
then there could be a fire and somebody could end
up being a victim because they're so used to these
things going off.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right. The answer though, is, I think in the case
I went to school in Massachusetts, I think it was
like a five hundred dollars fine for a first time
offense something like that. You know, we've got to be
we've got to be clear when you talk about obstructing
you know, government business. They're going to make a defense.
First of all, they're gonna just say that I don't
know what to say, that that he was so that
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he's so inept in his ability to distinguish. I don't
know can they make that argument?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Is that pull a frigging fire alarm, firecar right on
the wall. Again, if he had gone through a door,
and that can happen to any that was monitored, I
didn't think it was going to go off, Like we've
used that door for a long time and it's never
you know, gone off before. Like I could understand his defense.
There is no way to me and I would say
the same thing. I've got a fifteen year old buck
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you're talking about in a dorm. If there was video
of my fifteen year old pulling a fire alarm at
his school, I would say, or my thirteen year old,
I would say, you guys deserve punishment for this, Like
there's no way to defend.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Pulling a fire alarm on the wall. That I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's like if you break the glass to get a
fire extinguisher and you start spraying the fire extinguisher and
there's no fire, like, you should be punished for that. Right,
There's no defense for anyone over the age of about
five or six years old to me pulling a fire
alarm on the wall and the fact that he did
it and is trying to claim that he did nothing wrong.
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If he just owned it, I would feel a little
bit different maybe, But I think he should be prosecuted.
And I hate to say that because I'm not a
hanging judge, so to speak, Like, I don't think we
should be trying to throw the full book at everybody
for relatively minor offenses. But when you're putting Grandma's with
selfie sticks in prison for disrupting Congress, why would you
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not hold a congressman to the same standard.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
At this point, you know, now I feel like I'm
in the I'm my Congressman Bowman's lawyer over here. You know,
they'll argue that there's a difference in the severity between
the transfer of power and the congressional vote in that instance,
and this, although this is government funding, it's a big
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key question book.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Has this ever happened before? Because I don't remember a
congress person ever intentionally pulling a fire alarm before on camera,
So it's not as if this is like some sort
of you know, usual procedural tactic.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I think that here's here's one thing. You know, if
someone called in, let's say, a bomb threat anywhere, a
bomb threat to Congress certainly would fall into this ca
category like, oh, yeah, they find you, you're going to
go to prison, right, you're gonna set you're going at
prison time and you should. Yeah. You see in this
case pulling a fire alarm, he's falling on the uh,
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falling into the argument or making the argument that it
was somehow an accident. I don't think that's plausible. But
I don't think that in other cases where people have
pulled fire alarms, they go to prison. That's what I'm like,
They're not going to Oh I don't think you should go.
I'm saying you should prosecute him. I don't think you should.
I mean, I don't think anybody would convict him. But
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if you're going to set me a president of we
prosecute grandma's with selfies. Yeah, he might pay a five
hundred dollars fine eventually. But what I mean if you
do this, I mean, let's just take it to take
it outside of Congress. If you got caught pulling a
fire alarm.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
In most high schools in America and you set off
a fire alarm, there would be pretty consequential punishment I
think to the average kid if they found you on camera,
you don't know what it would be.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, they'd probably suspend you for a week or two.
I mean, Clay, this is this is the issue for
every who's saying the law is the law. I can
tell you that they'll say other people who have pulled
fire alarms and other instances have ended up paying a fine.
So should he be should he be forced to do that? Yes,
because if the law is the law, then that's what
the law says. But the you know, maybe he's gonna
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No one's gonna get locked up for this is my point, Like,
that's just not realistic people that would be the January
sixth comparisons to this, Yeah, are are not going to
sway anybody in the DC legal system. But we do
have a we have a two track legal system now
based on what side of the political alure on it,
and particularly in Washington, d C. Which you see not
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only in this instance, with the the way this is
likely to play out. And it's funny that they're, like
AOC was on TV saying that in a moment of panic,
moment of panic, what it's implausible, Like they're making implausible
arguments and they know it and they don't care. But
you know, I think that in DC, whether it's Trump
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facing Judge Chuckkin and the j sixth trial or anything
kind of day to day run of the mill workings
of the justice system, if you are a conservative or
a Republican or considered to be on the right, you
are starting off in a bad position. If you're a Democrat,
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the opposite.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Is true, correct, and you get the benefit of being
in Washington, d C. Where it's almost impossible to convict
the Democrat of anything. So, I mean, you talk about
a rig jury system that's totally in favor of you.
I think maybe the end result, Bluck is they should
just censure him. I mean, I would think every Republican
would vote, Hey, if you pull the fire alarm to
try to delay the process of getting votes done in
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House Representatives or Senate, that's a big no no. Maybe
that's the end result. I also think Demo Crat should
stop defending him. I think we have audio of people
that I mean again just proving that there is no
ridiculous thing that can be done that people will not defend.
And that's just the latest example of rampant partisanship that
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is taking over in this country, where you're literally defending
a guy who potentionally pulled a fire alarm.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I mean, what are we going to here? Well, I
think it's because they realize they have to make some
kind of defense because otherwise he just broke the law
and there have to be some kind of consequences, right,
So they have no good options. It's kind of like
running Joe Biden for reelection. Nobody wants to do it. Clay, Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (14:48):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show, we were
mentioning AOC coming to Congressman Jamol Bowman. Bowman's defense saying
that he was, you know, basically in a moment of
high stress. So that's why he decided to pull the fire.
I can't believe this is real. That's why he decided
to pull the fire. Alarm on the wall. Here is
AOC proving yet again she'll defend anyone in the Democrat
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Party for doing anything.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Representatives like Nicole Maliatakis and others immediately moved to file
motions to censure, motions to expel before there has even
been conversations that are that are finished, to even see
if there was a misunderstanding here. What they did not
do was to commit to the same when George Santos
was actually found guilty after a thorough investigation of thirteen
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federal charges. They are protecting someone who has lied to
the American people, lied to the United States House of Representatives,
lied to congressional investigators. But they're filing a motion to
expel a member who, in a moment of panic, was
trying to escape a vestibule.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Give me a break.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I love the lie at the very end, right all
the she's getting so so sanctimonious about oh, you know
the republic. First of all, Santos has nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
This is nothing that Santos's criminal charges are still pending.
He hasn't been found guilty of anything, right.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But yeah, but but even beyond that, we're talking about
Jamal Bowman. What did he do to point it? Ask me?
I think Jamal Bowman is a former principal of a
high school. So in that case, I'm sure he knows
about fire safety and fire alarms quite well.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's like one of the things that I mean, it
would be it would be great. This is a great
story for the New York Post. If Jamal Bowman is
a former principal. They need to find a kid who
pulled the fire alarm in the school and find out
what Jamal Bowman did to that kid. I guarantee you
there was fairly significant punishment for that. I know, I
for sure enough. You know I missed everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
We got a tweet or two in the break someone's saying, no,
he should go to prison for a long time or something.
This statute says up to a year in prison or
or up to a ten thousand dollars fine. So should
he pay a fine? Yes, he should pay a fine.
There should be a fine, you know involved here. Are
they going to send him to prison as a first
time a fender for pulling a FIRELM. They're not going
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to do that. They'd find a hundred other cases in DC.
And you could say it's obstructing Congress, but the people
that would have to make that case are the prosecutors
in DC, who are never going to make that case.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I think they should, they should censure him, but I
would say that Congress, that's not a criminal matter, right, Yeah, yeah, right,
that's what But that's what they're already talking about doing.
I think that's probably the adequate response.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And what does that really do? Nothing? Doesn't do anything.
But what does Congress do?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I mean, that's a whole other question.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I mean, we didn't even hardly talk about the funding
the government controversy because we knew it was going to
get resolved, and then what happens the last minute it
gets resolved, and some of you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Were like, I don't know why you're not covering this.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I mean, we'll talk about the Matt Gates versus Kevin
McCarthy feud. But to me, it just distracts from Joe
Biden's misbehavior to have Republicans feuding over what I think
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Justice is overseeing multiple criminal prosecutions felonies against a former
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president and leading Republican presidential contender puts us into a
pretty strange place right now as a country.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's one way of saying it. Definitely lets us know
that the old rules, it seems, have been thrown out
the window of it. First off, let's start. He got
a little bit to emotional, and I want to get
to that. But first here he is claiming, this is
Clip seventeen, that it's not like they have one set
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of rules for Republicans and another one for democrats. Play it.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
We do not have one rule for Republicans and another
rule for democrats. We don't have one rule for foes
and another for friends. We don't have one rule for
powerful another for the powerless, for the rich, or for
the poor based on ethnicity. We have only one rule
and that one rule. So we follow the facts and
the law, and we reach the decisions required by the Constitution,
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and we protect civil liberties. Are you essentially saying, as
Attorney General to the American people, trust me, well in
the end, I suppose it does. In the end come
down to trust. But it's not just me, it's decades
of the norms of this department that are part of
the DNA of the career prosecutors who are running the investigation.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Clay, I think the problem with this is we have
seen put take Trump out of it for a second.
It is impossible to make an argument that Joe Biden's son,
Hunter Biden, has not received incredibly correct, lenient treatment from
the Justice Department, stretching back now for many years. It's
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just not credible. There is no argument that Hunter Biden
is not treated has not been treated differently and very
favorably because of who his dad is. So Merrick Garland
is saying it doesn't hold up even without bringing Trump
into the equation, which is a whole other level.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, and I think we have do we have Merrick
Garland saying that basically being Attorney General is a public
trust and that the goal is to hand off the
Department of Justice whenever you step down to the next
Attorney General, so that we can continue to.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Develop that legacy of trust.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's the argument that he tries to make, And to me,
this is where I'm so fired up about this sixty
minute interview in the first place.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
As you well know, in a case like this, Merrick
Garland gets media requests all day long, every day. So
they basically decided, we want sixty minutes to help wander
Merrick Garland's reputation right now. And this is important too.
The reason why sixty minutes audience is so huge is
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they come right out out of the NFL, so all
over the country. This is one of the biggest audiences
that you could have anywhere, and so they made the
conscious decision because they probably have looked at the numbers
and this is just it's indefensible to me that this
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is allowed to happen. This is about wandering his reputation,
and I believe he chokes up and starts crying play
cut twenty six. I believe it is of Merrick Garland
choking up and crying last night on sixty minutes.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
People can argue with each other as much as they
want and as vociferously as they want, but the one
thing they may not do is use violence and threats
of violence to alter the outcome. An important aspect of
this is the American people themselves. The American people must
protect each other. They must ensure that they treat each
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other with civility and kindness, Listen to opposing views, argue
as specifiously as they want, but refrain from violence and
threats of violence. That's the only way this democracy will survive.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Okay, sixty minutes you absolute rubber stamps for the elite.
If I'm sitting across from Mayor Garland and he makes
that argument, buck, you know, my first response is that
the tears don't work on me.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
How about you're allowing.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
People to protest and threaten Supreme Court justices every single
day and night for years now, and that's clearly against
the law at a minimum. If you are standing by
that standard, how in the world have you not arrested
everybody protesting outside the homes of Supreme Court justices?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And especially given we already had one lunatic who was armed,
who showed up and tried to assassinate that he wanted
to assassinate a conservative member of the Supreme Court, It's interesting, Claike,
there are multiple places you could have gone with that.
I thought you were going to say, how can he
make this claim when they held for up to eighteen
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months maybe a little more. People in solitary confinement effectively
in the DC prison system before trial, because even though
they were nonviolent, they were such a threat to discribe.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well, that's his argument would be, I'm sure that there
was a threat to the country. So look, if you
are going to be and I use that argument, I
think it's insane. But that's my point on it though,
is and I use this phrase and I hope people
are familiar with it because it is it's one that
I think is important if you're going to be a
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so called hanging judge. Right, they're all different sorts of
standards of prosectorial discretion that you can apply. The phrase
hanging judge means you find somebody who commits the merest
scintilla of a crime and you throw the absolute book
at them. If you were going to be a stickler
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for prosecution across the board.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
That's not the way that I would.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Be a judge, buck. I wouldn't be okay if I
were sitting on the bench. But if that is the
standard of justice that you are going to met out,
then it has to be evenly applied. And to your point,
if you're going to put all these Jan sixth political prisoners,
because I think it is fair to say that in prison.
Then you should be throwing the book at everybody who
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rioted during the BLM protest. But at a minimum, you
should be given we had a legitimate assassination attempt to
Brett Kavanaugh. You should be arresting everyone who is protesting
outside of Supreme Court justice homes because that is a violation.
And some people don't understand this. Buck, I'm an absolutist
on the First Amendment. You can say whatever you want
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pretty much about me. Go into the mentions and read
what people say every day about you and me and
all our opinions and everything else.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
More power to you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You don't have the right to show up at my
front porch and harass my family as they come and
go from the house. You don't have the right to engage, basically,
to physically engage in opposition to a Supreme Court justice.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
This is under the.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Law illegal, and yet they have done nothing to stop this,
despite the fact, Buck, that there was an assassination attempt
on Brett Kavanaugh, and we talked about sadly on this
show that the leak of the.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Supreme Court opinion.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
You would think, Merrek Garland, I just come back to it.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
They couldn't figure out who that was. I told you,
they're not going to figure out who it is because
they don't want to figure out who it is, because
we all know that it was some Democrat activist inside
the Supreme Court chambers who decided that he or she
was attempting to really change the course of judicial and
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American history by breaking faith and trust with that institution.
But there was no interest in finding out who did that.
But there are so many places, so many ways to
take this question of which Marrick Garland promotes as as
somehow rhetorical like it's you know, do people really think
that there's a two tier justice system? Do people really
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think that we have a politician? The answerest Yes, people
really do think that, and they think it now more
than they have ever thought it before. People think that
finally we have reached a stage where the Justice Department
is weaponized for the most obvious partisan politics and whatever
jurisdiction you may happen to be charged in matters a
whole heck of a lot more than the facts of
the case. And this is why these these fraud trials
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keep happening in New York. Interesting Trump's done a lot
of business in a lot of places, done a lot
of business in Florida. I don't see a fraud trial
happening down here. We all know what's going on in
New York City. We all understand what's happening at the
federal level, and it's the system being used to punish
those who are viewed as a threat to its power,
not as a transgressor of sacred principle. I mean, to
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your point, it's not like everybody who breaks the law
gets punished. And maybe we should ever talked about how
it's too severe. It's Republicans get crushed, Democrats get a
second chance, or they even get told that they're good
people for breaking the law. Look at the BLM riots.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Yeah, and this is why I thought Buck and people
who go back and listen. You know, years ago when
we first started on this program, my prediction was that
Merrick Garland would prosecute Hunter Biden and prosecute Donald Trump,
and that his argument would be, whether you're the son
of the president or a former president, we don't provide favorable.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Treatment to you.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Instead, what appeared to occur is the sweetheart deal that
Hunter Biden was set to get actually embarrassed Merrick, Garland
and Weiss and everybody else in the Department of Just
to such an extent that they ended up filing charges
on the gun situation. We still don't know, though. I mean,
this is an open and hut case.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
If you and I or anybody out there listening to
us had not paid millions of dollars in taxes, do
you think that we would have taken six years for
the IRS to bring charges against us?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I mean this honestly, I'm not sure that there is
a single person in America today who has not paid
millions of dollars in taxes.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And I don't mean like.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Accounting arguments where you're disputing, Hey, can I write this off?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Can I not?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm talking about you didn't file a tax return knowing
that you owed millions of dollars in payments. I'm not
sure that the IRSUD be a great question, could point
to one person in America who has not filed taxes.
I think fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen. I think
it was five years in a Rowbuck, I'm not sure
they could point to one one person in America who
(30:01):
is not criminally charged for doing what Hunter Biden did
on his tax return.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean, I mean, think about it. There are there
are people listening right now who are thinking about all
those years they were calculating state sales tax and they're
buying things on Amazon and online because they didn't want
to run a foul of the IR. You've seen the
new IRS requirements.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I'll mention this when we come back, but in fact,
let's put we got a couple of calls. By the way,
let me say this too. If you've ever been punished
for pulling a fire alarm on the wall, not opening
a door, pulling the fire alarm on the wall, we
got a caller who wants to tell us what happened
to him. Open opportunity. We're not going to prosecute you.
(30:43):
I would love to hear what happened to you if
you pulled a fire alarm on the wall at any
point in your life. Open phone lines eight hundred and
two two two eight a two.
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Speaker 3 (32:07):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We were
rolling through the Monday edition of the program. We got
people calling in confession Confession time. People calling in to
tell us about when they pulled the fire alarm and
what happened to them. Up first, Noel in San Antonio, What.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Did you do? What was the punishment? Give us the story.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Thanks, guys. So, I'm thirty eight years old now in
a resident of San Antonio, Texas. However, in elementary school,
I attended school in the state of New Jersey in
Hudson County. Now, when I was in school, the Hudson
County curriculum adopted zero tolerance policy for disruptive behavior, any
(32:53):
sort of harassment and for fighting. What fell under there
is pulling the alarm. It went from a misdemeanor to
a felony with a sign of a pen. Within a
year of the school system adopting zero tolerance policy. I
went ahead and on a dare pulled the fire alarm.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
How old were you?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So got my wait?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
How old how old were you when you did this?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
This? So this was seventh grade, must have been thirteen fourteen?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah? Okay, And what happened, so I.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Was immediately kicked out of school. I was given a
ten day suspension. Immediately my parents were called in. I
had my mom and my stepdad at the time. They
were called into the school, at which point they were
notified that the school was also going to refer me
to criminal court, so the police were called. While I
was there at the school, the police came in. They
told me that at that time I was facing either
(33:46):
a disorderly person's, a disturbance of the peace, or even
a felony. So they wanted to hammer in that I
was in serious trouble at that point. So our very
first court date, the judge wanted to give me a
fel He went back and forth with our lawyer at
the time. Our lawyer was able to get that first
(34:06):
hearing in recess. But the long story short is that
they took my license. So remember I was thirteen fourteen.
I wasn't eligible to start getting my license till sixteen seventeen,
so they made sure that I couldn't get my license
for the first six months after I was of age.
My parents had a series of tickets that they had
to pay on my behalf, which included disorderly persons, disturbance
(34:30):
of the peace. I was given a ten days suspension
followed by a one month of in school suspension where
I had to sit and have lunch with the guidance
counselor for a month. And you know, I guess I
was just distrusted by the staff at that point, you know.
So it was a horrible experience, a great learning experience, however,
But as far as the congressman that hold that alarm,
(34:54):
he knows exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, I'm glad that you've been put on the straight
and narrow since Buck. We've got David in Biloxi, Mississippi.
How old were you when you pulled a fire alarm?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
David? Is David still there? Well, let's let's try Jeff
and Sacramento that we got a lot of fire alarm pulling. Yeah,
a lot of confessors here this audience. What's up, Jeff?
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Hey, I didn't pull a fire alarm, but I worked
in building maintenance for twenty years and part of my
job was to maintain the firelife safety system. I'd just
say most modern fire alarm pole stations are a two
step operation where you have to like push in and
pull down. I saw some photos on the line with
that guy near a fire alarm pole station that had
a plastic cover on it. That'd make it a three
(35:38):
step operation. So for him to say that he did
an accidentally, that's just a lie. But the other thing
I wanted to know about is if he did it
not accidentally, he did it on purpose with the intent
of distracting the proceedings of Congress. That's got to bump
it up to a January sixth, seventy.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Right, Well, we don't think they'll prosecute very heavily. Let's
get to Scott in Omaha really quickly. You were at
boot camp somebody pulled at What happened?
Speaker 8 (36:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (36:05):
Actually I was in boot camp. We were in line
at the gallley and there was a guy that in
front of me that he asked what would happen.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
To be pulled in?
Speaker 9 (36:14):
I'm like, God, something, do you want to do that?
Because that's when I called the alarmer go off. He
did it really slow and nothing happened. So then the
guy's like, oh, you got it this way, and he
pulled it really hard and then alarm went off. Four
harder recruits had to leave the galley. They had a
player at Marge Thrus came in. They said it was
fine and there was a guy again. He got kicked
(36:36):
out of the Navy. He even said he wanted to
do twenty years and he didn't produce the rest.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
To day he said home.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
For a fire alarm. More of the story unless there's
a fire
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. Monday edition of Clay and
Buck kicks off right now. We've got a lot of
stories to get through, a lot to talk about all
across this great land of ours. Attorney General Merrick Garland
was on TV over the weekend insisting that dej officials
(00:23):
do not allow partisan considerations to play any role in
their determination. Sure, we'll discuss that. You have Donald Trump
appearing in his fraud trial in New York City. We'll
have some updates on that one for you. They are
coming at Trump not only in four different criminal indictments,
(00:46):
but also civil civil assault using the legal system against
Donald Trump. Clay and I haven't gotten to talk together
yet here on air about the possibility of an RFK Junior. Well,
we've talked at the possibility, but RFK Junior has brought
up that this may actually happen. Something to discuss the
likely new senator from the state of California, certainly a
(01:12):
topic we should be discussing. You've got a couple scientists
get the Nobel Prize in Medicine for the discoveries that
enable the mRNA vaccines development to fight against COVID feels
like it feels like maybe a little bit of politics
in this, because it's not like they just figured it
out recently. So we'll have that conversation here as well.
(01:36):
But of all the things that I saw, and I
moved on Friday, so I was really I was out
of the news cycle. I was clay stacking boxes and
carrying them and complaining about my lower back and doing
the things that one does during a move. The government
getting funded not a surprise, and I know that there
are people we can talk about it. The back and
(01:59):
forth with Speaker Kevin McCarthy and did he sell out?
And is he the McCarthy that people thought he was
until about what was it the beginning of this year
or no, yes, the beginning of this year when he
was all of a sudden based hardcore you could count
on him, Speaker McCarthy. Seems like maybe some people have
(02:22):
a little bit of a different opinion right now. But
the most interesting thing that I saw, the moment when
I was thinking, Wow, this is what it's fun to
be on radio Clay, this is when you have something
to discuss, is the pulling of a fire alarm by
Congressman Jamal Bowman, and the efforts to try to explain
(02:47):
this away over the course of the weekend. The decision
that they were going to back this up Clay was
absolutely crazy. Wait here we go. Here is MSNBC. So
just so we're all clear that they're trying to have
a vote to fund the government and a Democrat member
of Congress decides to pull the fire alarm in Congress
(03:11):
so they can't hold the vote. Right, that's the video.
These are the facts of the case. They are not
in dispute. Everyone agrees. Here is MSNBC trying to explain
this one play.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
For there was a mention of Jamal Bowman. Congressman Jamal
Bowman and the pulling of some sort of fire alarm.
I just want to read for you some of the
reporting so you understand what actually went on there. There
are some reports that began to emerge about Representative Bowman
who is seen pulling some sort of fire alarm in
the Cannon House office building. Earlier today we got a
statement on that saying Congressman Bowman did not realize he
(03:43):
would trigger a building alarm as he was rushing to
make an urgent vote. The congressman regrets any confusion. Just
to clarify some things on that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I just just to clarify, Clay, how many accidental fire
alarm pulls in the halls of any building have you
done in your life? Because I know the answer for
me is zero zero.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And I think this is one so fun because it's
so profoundly stupid. It'd be one thing if he had
gone through a door, because I was thinking about this
as this story continued to grow, and I bet you
have done this two buck. In fact, I did it
recently at a New York City hotel. There was a
long wait for an elevator. I've just like, screw it,
(04:25):
I'm just going to go down the stairs myself. You
get down to ground level and there's kind of a
door that's a little bit cracked open, but it says,
you know, if you open this door, the emergency alarm
is going to go off, and you make the decision.
You're like, yeah, I don't think the emergency alarm is
actually going to go off. You walk out through the door.
I've never set off an alert emergency alarm on a
(04:46):
door before, but to make the decision if he had
done that, I would say oh, you know, maybe he's
making the decision that he doesn't think this alarm is
going to go off, Maybe this door is not actually alarmed,
which I don't. It feels like seventy five percent of
the time those emergency exit door alarms are not actually armed,
and people go in and out of them all the time.
(05:09):
But to make the decision to pull the alarm on
the wall unless there is a fire and you are
trying to create a fire alarm, I can't imagine anybody
over the age of like five or six intentionally doing
that and trying to make an excuse because there is
(05:30):
no defense in that position. It is going to go off, right,
And so I just I don't know what the consequences
from a legal perspective should be for him. Although using
January sixth as a precedent where everybody who did anything
remotely to forestall the execution of the government's business was
(05:53):
punished to the full extent of the law. Based on
that precedent, there should be criminal charges brought, but at
a minimum, he should own what he did, which was
very intentional and it appears designed to create more time
for Democrats to be able to react to the situation.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
When there was.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Certainly a rush job at a foot to try to
pass a variety of different bills.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I mean, what's your take.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Should he be prosecuted criminally? In your mind, it is
such a stupid thing to do, right, But the precedent
they've set is full extent of the law prosecution for
stupid things that truly weren't threats. I mean, if you're
putting Grandma's in jail for walking around with selfie sticks
in the Capitol, then a congress person pulling a fire
(06:41):
alarm intentionally seems like it should be criminal. It's definitely
a crime.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
The question is will they prosecute and what would the
punishment be. Look, this happened when I was in college.
People would do this. They would get drunk and perhaps
smoke certain substances, and they thought it was somehow funny.
This this was a We had a plague of this
on our canvas for a while, many many years ago.
People would pull the fire alarm because the fire trucks
(07:07):
would all show up and everyone have to get outside
of it.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
By the way, And also the result of this is
when you have all these false fire alarms go off,
eventually you just don't react to a fire alarm, and
then there could be a fire and somebody could end
up being a victim because they're so used to these
things going off.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right. The answer though, is, I think in the case
I went to school in Massachusetts, I think it was
like a five hundred dollars fine for a first time
offense something like that. You know, we've got to be
we've got to be clear when you talk about obstructing
you know, government business. They're going to make a defense.
First of all, they're gonna just say that I don't
know what to say, that that he was so that
(07:46):
he's so inept in his ability to distinguish. I don't
know can they make that argument?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Is that pull a frigging fire alarm, firecar right on
the wall. Again, if he had gone through a door,
and that can happen to any that was monitored, I
didn't think it was going to go off, Like we've
used that door for a long time and it's never
you know, gone off before. Like I could understand his defense.
There is no way to me and I would say
the same thing. I've got a fifteen year old buck
(08:14):
you're talking about in a dorm. If there was video
of my fifteen year old pulling a fire alarm at
his school, I would say, or my thirteen year old,
I would say, you guys deserve punishment for this, Like
there's no way to defend.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Pulling a fire alarm on the wall. That I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's like if you break the glass to get a
fire extinguisher and you start spraying the fire extinguisher and
there's no fire, like, you should be punished for that. Right,
There's no defense for anyone over the age of about
five or six years old to me pulling a fire
alarm on the wall and the fact that he did
it and is trying to claim that he did nothing wrong.
(08:51):
If he just owned it, I would feel a little
bit different maybe, But I think he should be prosecuted.
And I hate to say that because I'm not a
hanging judge, so to speak, Like, I don't think we
should be trying to throw the full book at everybody
for relatively minor offenses. But when you're putting Grandma's with
selfie sticks in prison for disrupting Congress, why would you
(09:13):
not hold a congressman to the same standard.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
At this point, you know, now I feel like I'm
in the I'm my Congressman Bowman's lawyer over here. You know,
they'll argue that there's a difference in the severity between
the transfer of power and the congressional vote in that instance,
and this, although this is government funding, it's a big
(09:37):
key question book.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Has this ever happened before? Because I don't remember a
congress person ever intentionally pulling a fire alarm before on camera,
So it's not as if this is like some sort
of you know, usual procedural tactic.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I think that here's here's one thing. You know, if
someone called in, let's say, a bomb threat anywhere, a
bomb threat to Congress certainly would fall into this ca
category like, oh, yeah, they find you, you're going to
go to prison, right, you're gonna set you're going at
prison time and you should. Yeah. You see in this
case pulling a fire alarm, he's falling on the uh,
(10:14):
falling into the argument or making the argument that it
was somehow an accident. I don't think that's plausible. But
I don't think that in other cases where people have
pulled fire alarms, they go to prison. That's what I'm like,
They're not going to Oh I don't think you should go.
I'm saying you should prosecute him. I don't think you should.
I mean, I don't think anybody would convict him. But
(10:34):
if you're going to set me a president of we
prosecute grandma's with selfies. Yeah, he might pay a five
hundred dollars fine eventually. But what I mean if you
do this, I mean, let's just take it to take
it outside of Congress. If you got caught pulling a
fire alarm.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
In most high schools in America and you set off
a fire alarm, there would be pretty consequential punishment I
think to the average kid if they found you on camera,
you don't know what it would be.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, they'd probably suspend you for a week or two.
I mean, Clay, this is this is the issue for
every who's saying the law is the law. I can
tell you that they'll say other people who have pulled
fire alarms and other instances have ended up paying a fine.
So should he be should he be forced to do that? Yes,
because if the law is the law, then that's what
the law says. But the you know, maybe he's gonna
(11:25):
No one's gonna get locked up for this is my point, Like,
that's just not realistic people that would be the January
sixth comparisons to this, Yeah, are are not going to
sway anybody in the DC legal system. But we do
have a we have a two track legal system now
based on what side of the political alure on it,
and particularly in Washington, d C. Which you see not
(11:48):
only in this instance, with the the way this is
likely to play out. And it's funny that they're, like
AOC was on TV saying that in a moment of panic,
moment of panic, what it's implausible, Like they're making implausible
arguments and they know it and they don't care. But
you know, I think that in DC, whether it's Trump
(12:11):
facing Judge Chuckkin and the j sixth trial or anything
kind of day to day run of the mill workings
of the justice system, if you are a conservative or
a Republican or considered to be on the right, you
are starting off in a bad position. If you're a Democrat,
(12:32):
the opposite.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Is true, correct, and you get the benefit of being
in Washington, d C. Where it's almost impossible to convict
the Democrat of anything. So, I mean, you talk about
a rig jury system that's totally in favor of you.
I think maybe the end result, Bluck is they should
just censure him. I mean, I would think every Republican
would vote, Hey, if you pull the fire alarm to
try to delay the process of getting votes done in
(12:54):
House Representatives or Senate, that's a big no no. Maybe
that's the end result. I also think Demo Crat should
stop defending him. I think we have audio of people
that I mean again just proving that there is no
ridiculous thing that can be done that people will not defend.
And that's just the latest example of rampant partisanship that
(13:16):
is taking over in this country, where you're literally defending
a guy who potentionally pulled a fire alarm.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I mean, what are we going to here? Well, I
think it's because they realize they have to make some
kind of defense because otherwise he just broke the law
and there have to be some kind of consequences, right,
So they have no good options. It's kind of like
running Joe Biden for reelection. Nobody wants to do it. Clay, Yeah,
they got no good options. Look, I didn't have time
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Speaker 3 (14:48):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show, we were
mentioning AOC coming to Congressman Jamol Bowman. Bowman's defense saying
that he was, you know, basically in a moment of
high stress. So that's why he decided to pull the fire.
I can't believe this is real. That's why he decided
to pull the fire. Alarm on the wall. Here is
AOC proving yet again she'll defend anyone in the Democrat
(15:11):
Party for doing anything.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Representatives like Nicole Maliatakis and others immediately moved to file
motions to censure, motions to expel before there has even
been conversations that are that are finished, to even see
if there was a misunderstanding here. What they did not
do was to commit to the same when George Santos
was actually found guilty after a thorough investigation of thirteen
(15:36):
federal charges. They are protecting someone who has lied to
the American people, lied to the United States House of Representatives,
lied to congressional investigators. But they're filing a motion to
expel a member who, in a moment of panic, was
trying to escape a vestibule.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Give me a break.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I love the lie at the very end, right all
the she's getting so so sanctimonious about oh, you know
the republic. First of all, Santos has nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
This is nothing that Santos's criminal charges are still pending.
He hasn't been found guilty of anything, right.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But yeah, but but even beyond that, we're talking about
Jamal Bowman. What did he do to point it? Ask me?
I think Jamal Bowman is a former principal of a
high school. So in that case, I'm sure he knows
about fire safety and fire alarms quite well.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's like one of the things that I mean, it
would be it would be great. This is a great
story for the New York Post. If Jamal Bowman is
a former principal. They need to find a kid who
pulled the fire alarm in the school and find out
what Jamal Bowman did to that kid. I guarantee you
there was fairly significant punishment for that. I know, I
for sure enough. You know I missed everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
We got a tweet or two in the break someone's saying, no,
he should go to prison for a long time or something.
This statute says up to a year in prison or
or up to a ten thousand dollars fine. So should
he pay a fine? Yes, he should pay a fine.
There should be a fine, you know involved here. Are
they going to send him to prison as a first
time a fender for pulling a FIRELM. They're not going
(17:08):
to do that. They'd find a hundred other cases in DC.
And you could say it's obstructing Congress, but the people
that would have to make that case are the prosecutors
in DC, who are never going to make that case.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I think they should, they should censure him, but I
would say that Congress, that's not a criminal matter, right, Yeah, yeah, right,
that's what But that's what they're already talking about doing.
I think that's probably the adequate response.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And what does that really do? Nothing? Doesn't do anything.
But what does Congress do?
Speaker 5 (17:36):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I mean, that's a whole other question.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I mean, we didn't even hardly talk about the funding
the government controversy because we knew it was going to
get resolved, and then what happens the last minute it
gets resolved, and some of you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Were like, I don't know why you're not covering this.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I mean, we'll talk about the Matt Gates versus Kevin
McCarthy feud. But to me, it just distracts from Joe
Biden's misbehavior to have Republicans feuding over what I think
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of things. But certainly the fact that the Department of
Justice is overseeing multiple criminal prosecutions felonies against a former
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president and leading Republican presidential contender puts us into a
pretty strange place right now as a country.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's one way of saying it. Definitely lets us know
that the old rules, it seems, have been thrown out
the window of it. First off, let's start. He got
a little bit to emotional, and I want to get
to that. But first here he is claiming, this is
Clip seventeen, that it's not like they have one set
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of rules for Republicans and another one for democrats. Play it.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
We do not have one rule for Republicans and another
rule for democrats. We don't have one rule for foes
and another for friends. We don't have one rule for
powerful another for the powerless, for the rich, or for
the poor based on ethnicity. We have only one rule
and that one rule. So we follow the facts and
the law, and we reach the decisions required by the Constitution,
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and we protect civil liberties. Are you essentially saying, as
Attorney General to the American people, trust me, well in
the end, I suppose it does. In the end come
down to trust. But it's not just me, it's decades
of the norms of this department that are part of
the DNA of the career prosecutors who are running the investigation.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Clay, I think the problem with this is we have
seen put take Trump out of it for a second.
It is impossible to make an argument that Joe Biden's son,
Hunter Biden, has not received incredibly correct, lenient treatment from
the Justice Department, stretching back now for many years. It's
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just not credible. There is no argument that Hunter Biden
is not treated has not been treated differently and very
favorably because of who his dad is. So Merrick Garland
is saying it doesn't hold up even without bringing Trump
into the equation, which is a whole other level.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, and I think we have do we have Merrick
Garland saying that basically being Attorney General is a public
trust and that the goal is to hand off the
Department of Justice whenever you step down to the next
Attorney General, so that we can continue to.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Develop that legacy of trust.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's the argument that he tries to make, And to me,
this is where I'm so fired up about this sixty
minute interview in the first place.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
As you well know, in a case like this, Merrick
Garland gets media requests all day long, every day. So
they basically decided, we want sixty minutes to help wander
Merrick Garland's reputation right now. And this is important too.
The reason why sixty minutes audience is so huge is
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they come right out out of the NFL, so all
over the country. This is one of the biggest audiences
that you could have anywhere, and so they made the
conscious decision because they probably have looked at the numbers
and this is just it's indefensible to me that this
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is allowed to happen. This is about wandering his reputation,
and I believe he chokes up and starts crying play
cut twenty six. I believe it is of Merrick Garland
choking up and crying last night on sixty minutes.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
People can argue with each other as much as they
want and as vociferously as they want, but the one
thing they may not do is use violence and threats
of violence to alter the outcome. An important aspect of
this is the American people themselves. The American people must
protect each other. They must ensure that they treat each
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other with civility and kindness, Listen to opposing views, argue
as specifiously as they want, but refrain from violence and
threats of violence. That's the only way this democracy will survive.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Okay, sixty minutes you absolute rubber stamps for the elite.
If I'm sitting across from Mayor Garland and he makes
that argument, buck, you know, my first response is that
the tears don't work on me.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
How about you're allowing.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
People to protest and threaten Supreme Court justices every single
day and night for years now, and that's clearly against
the law at a minimum. If you are standing by
that standard, how in the world have you not arrested
everybody protesting outside the homes of Supreme Court justices?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And especially given we already had one lunatic who was armed,
who showed up and tried to assassinate that he wanted
to assassinate a conservative member of the Supreme Court, It's interesting, Claike,
there are multiple places you could have gone with that.
I thought you were going to say, how can he
make this claim when they held for up to eighteen
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months maybe a little more. People in solitary confinement effectively
in the DC prison system before trial, because even though
they were nonviolent, they were such a threat to discribe.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well, that's his argument would be, I'm sure that there
was a threat to the country. So look, if you
are going to be and I use that argument, I
think it's insane. But that's my point on it though,
is and I use this phrase and I hope people
are familiar with it because it is it's one that
I think is important if you're going to be a
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so called hanging judge. Right, they're all different sorts of
standards of prosectorial discretion that you can apply. The phrase
hanging judge means you find somebody who commits the merest
scintilla of a crime and you throw the absolute book
at them. If you were going to be a stickler
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for prosecution across the board.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
That's not the way that I would.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Be a judge, buck. I wouldn't be okay if I
were sitting on the bench. But if that is the
standard of justice that you are going to met out,
then it has to be evenly applied. And to your point,
if you're going to put all these Jan sixth political prisoners,
because I think it is fair to say that in prison.
Then you should be throwing the book at everybody who
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rioted during the BLM protest. But at a minimum, you
should be given we had a legitimate assassination attempt to
Brett Kavanaugh. You should be arresting everyone who is protesting
outside of Supreme Court justice homes because that is a violation.
And some people don't understand this. Buck, I'm an absolutist
on the First Amendment. You can say whatever you want
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pretty much about me. Go into the mentions and read
what people say every day about you and me and
all our opinions and everything else.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
More power to you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You don't have the right to show up at my
front porch and harass my family as they come and
go from the house. You don't have the right to engage, basically,
to physically engage in opposition to a Supreme Court justice.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
This is under the.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Law illegal, and yet they have done nothing to stop this,
despite the fact, Buck, that there was an assassination attempt
on Brett Kavanaugh, and we talked about sadly on this
show that the leak of the.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Supreme Court opinion.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
You would think, Merrek Garland, I just come back to it.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
They couldn't figure out who that was. I told you,
they're not going to figure out who it is because
they don't want to figure out who it is, because
we all know that it was some Democrat activist inside
the Supreme Court chambers who decided that he or she
was attempting to really change the course of judicial and
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American history by breaking faith and trust with that institution.
But there was no interest in finding out who did that.
But there are so many places, so many ways to
take this question of which Marrick Garland promotes as as
somehow rhetorical like it's you know, do people really think
that there's a two tier justice system? Do people really
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think that we have a politician? The answerest Yes, people
really do think that, and they think it now more
than they have ever thought it before. People think that
finally we have reached a stage where the Justice Department
is weaponized for the most obvious partisan politics and whatever
jurisdiction you may happen to be charged in matters a
whole heck of a lot more than the facts of
the case. And this is why these these fraud trials
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keep happening in New York. Interesting Trump's done a lot
of business in a lot of places, done a lot
of business in Florida. I don't see a fraud trial
happening down here. We all know what's going on in
New York City. We all understand what's happening at the
federal level, and it's the system being used to punish
those who are viewed as a threat to its power,
not as a transgressor of sacred principle. I mean, to
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your point, it's not like everybody who breaks the law
gets punished. And maybe we should ever talked about how
it's too severe. It's Republicans get crushed, Democrats get a
second chance, or they even get told that they're good
people for breaking the law. Look at the BLM riots.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Yeah, and this is why I thought Buck and people
who go back and listen. You know, years ago when
we first started on this program, my prediction was that
Merrick Garland would prosecute Hunter Biden and prosecute Donald Trump,
and that his argument would be, whether you're the son
of the president or a former president, we don't provide favorable.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Treatment to you.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Instead, what appeared to occur is the sweetheart deal that
Hunter Biden was set to get actually embarrassed Merrick, Garland
and Weiss and everybody else in the Department of Just
to such an extent that they ended up filing charges
on the gun situation. We still don't know, though. I mean,
this is an open and hut case.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
If you and I or anybody out there listening to
us had not paid millions of dollars in taxes, do
you think that we would have taken six years for
the IRS to bring charges against us?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I mean this honestly, I'm not sure that there is
a single person in America today who has not paid
millions of dollars in taxes.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And I don't mean like.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Accounting arguments where you're disputing, Hey, can I write this off?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Can I not?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm talking about you didn't file a tax return knowing
that you owed millions of dollars in payments. I'm not
sure that the IRSUD be a great question, could point
to one person in America who has not filed taxes.
I think fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen. I think
it was five years in a Rowbuck, I'm not sure
they could point to one one person in America who
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is not criminally charged for doing what Hunter Biden did
on his tax return.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean, I mean, think about it. There are there
are people listening right now who are thinking about all
those years they were calculating state sales tax and they're
buying things on Amazon and online because they didn't want
to run a foul of the IR. You've seen the
new IRS requirements.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I'll mention this when we come back, but in fact,
let's put we got a couple of calls. By the way,
let me say this too. If you've ever been punished
for pulling a fire alarm on the wall, not opening
a door, pulling the fire alarm on the wall, we
got a caller who wants to tell us what happened
to him. Open opportunity. We're not going to prosecute you.
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I would love to hear what happened to you if
you pulled a fire alarm on the wall at any
point in your life. Open phone lines eight hundred and
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Speaker 3 (32:07):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We were
rolling through the Monday edition of the program. We got
people calling in confession Confession time. People calling in to
tell us about when they pulled the fire alarm and
what happened to them. Up first, Noel in San Antonio, What.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Did you do? What was the punishment? Give us the story.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Thanks, guys. So, I'm thirty eight years old now in
a resident of San Antonio, Texas. However, in elementary school,
I attended school in the state of New Jersey in
Hudson County. Now, when I was in school, the Hudson
County curriculum adopted zero tolerance policy for disruptive behavior, any
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sort of harassment and for fighting. What fell under there
is pulling the alarm. It went from a misdemeanor to
a felony with a sign of a pen. Within a
year of the school system adopting zero tolerance policy. I
went ahead and on a dare pulled the fire alarm.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
How old were you?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So got my wait?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
How old how old were you when you did this?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
This? So this was seventh grade, must have been thirteen fourteen?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah? Okay, And what happened, so I.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Was immediately kicked out of school. I was given a
ten day suspension. Immediately my parents were called in. I
had my mom and my stepdad at the time. They
were called into the school, at which point they were
notified that the school was also going to refer me
to criminal court, so the police were called. While I
was there at the school, the police came in. They
told me that at that time I was facing either
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a disorderly person's, a disturbance of the peace, or even
a felony. So they wanted to hammer in that I
was in serious trouble at that point. So our very
first court date, the judge wanted to give me a
fel He went back and forth with our lawyer at
the time. Our lawyer was able to get that first
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hearing in recess. But the long story short is that
they took my license. So remember I was thirteen fourteen.
I wasn't eligible to start getting my license till sixteen seventeen,
so they made sure that I couldn't get my license
for the first six months after I was of age.
My parents had a series of tickets that they had
to pay on my behalf, which included disorderly persons, disturbance
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of the peace. I was given a ten days suspension
followed by a one month of in school suspension where
I had to sit and have lunch with the guidance
counselor for a month. And you know, I guess I
was just distrusted by the staff at that point, you know.
So it was a horrible experience, a great learning experience, however,
But as far as the congressman that hold that alarm,
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he knows exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, I'm glad that you've been put on the straight
and narrow since Buck. We've got David in Biloxi, Mississippi.
How old were you when you pulled a fire alarm?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
David? Is David still there? Well, let's let's try Jeff
and Sacramento that we got a lot of fire alarm pulling. Yeah,
a lot of confessors here this audience. What's up, Jeff?
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Hey, I didn't pull a fire alarm, but I worked
in building maintenance for twenty years and part of my
job was to maintain the firelife safety system. I'd just
say most modern fire alarm pole stations are a two
step operation where you have to like push in and
pull down. I saw some photos on the line with
that guy near a fire alarm pole station that had
a plastic cover on it. That'd make it a three
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step operation. So for him to say that he did
an accidentally, that's just a lie. But the other thing
I wanted to know about is if he did it
not accidentally, he did it on purpose with the intent
of distracting the proceedings of Congress. That's got to bump
it up to a January sixth, seventy.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Right, Well, we don't think they'll prosecute very heavily. Let's
get to Scott in Omaha really quickly. You were at
boot camp somebody pulled at What happened?
Speaker 8 (36:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (36:05):
Actually I was in boot camp. We were in line
at the gallley and there was a guy that in
front of me that he asked what would happen.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
To be pulled in?
Speaker 9 (36:14):
I'm like, God, something, do you want to do that?
Because that's when I called the alarmer go off. He
did it really slow and nothing happened. So then the
guy's like, oh, you got it this way, and he
pulled it really hard and then alarm went off. Four
harder recruits had to leave the galley. They had a
player at Marge Thrus came in. They said it was
fine and there was a guy again. He got kicked
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out of the Navy. He even said he wanted to
do twenty years and he didn't produce the rest.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
To day he said home.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
For a fire alarm. More of the story unless there's
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