May 31, 2023 • 36 mins
ESPN to raise gay/trans flag on Bristol campus for Pride Month. Blue Jays pitcher Anthony Bass apologizes for endorsing boycotts of Target, Bud Light. Chris Christie enters GOP presidential primary. Dawson's Creek actor James Van Der Beek blasts DNC for not holding presidential primary debates. Bill O'Reilly still thinks Biden won't be the nominee. Why is Christie running?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. Appreciate you rollin' with us. We
have a very stacked show today, no surprise, it's going
to be getting very busy day in and day out as
we enter this presidential election. Cycled Also some interesting polling
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out that we can get to in a moment. Eighteen percent.
This is from Gallup. Eighteen percent of Americans are satisfied
with the state of the nation.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Now, you might say, well, are.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
People always a little curmudgeonly and salty about the state
of the nation. Well, it's usually about thirty five percent
of people are satisfied, So that's a substantial drop.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You mean Joe Biden and the lunatic communists around him
are doing things that make people less prosperous, safe, happy,
and sane. Yes, we tell you about this. We can
come back to it though in a second. Obviously, the
House about to vote on the debt limit bill. Has
that happened just quite yet. I think it's any It's
gonna be happening shortly. Here so we'll check the latest
(01:12):
on that. Ron DeSantis kicked off his campaign with a
stop in Iowa. The Trump DeSantis throwdown is getting, shall we.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Say, more heated, more interesting. Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Also, those of you who are very online, as in
spend time on Twitter probably saw and some of you
might have even seen it on Facebook or other places.
Trump had some comments about his former Press secretary, Kaylee Mcanenny,
who's a friend of mine, a friend of Clay's. We
will discuss what the former president's truth social post was
(01:52):
all about.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
That'll be coming up.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
There's some interesting a lot of interesting stuff, even I
think interesting stuff going on in the sports world right
now with the Dodgers and now a Toronto Blue Jays
player making the requisite I'm sorry I offended the Wokeness
hostage video.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Clay will lay some of that out for some of
that out for us.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
We've got a political development that I want to dive
into here in a second.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But first, Clay, I.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Don't know how many of you remember the movie road Trip,
but there's a whole scene with what was that comedian's
name where he says was it Tom Green?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Is that right? Tom Green?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And he says he's going to unleash the fury. Clay
just gotta. Clay just put out a tweet and I
was like, Clay, are you unleashing the fury with a tweet.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
About something happening at ESPN? What happened? Clay?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
What's going on? And we can we want to return
to this in a little a little later.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, next hour, I'm going to dive into this in
a big way. But tomorrow is Pride Month, and you
all know that. I mean, it is the day of
the year, and that's not meant as an insult. June
first is the gayest day of the year, where everybody
is bedecked in Pride flags and u and it is
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impossible to mis gat a mistake the entire month. Many
people have pointed out that we get one day to
celebrate those who have died serving our country, we get
a full month to celebrate gay people. That obviously always
happens with Memorial Day coming in close consult with June.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
First, so ESPN.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So there's evident I had to do research on this, Buck,
and I don't know if you are aware of this. Traditionally,
the Pride flag is just a rainbow, right, yes, because
the rainbow in theory would represent all colors. They have
now modified the rainbow because the rainbow was not inclusive
(03:51):
enough and they now have like some sort of like arrow.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That is a transflag trans flag.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well they consider to be the trends, Like, Oh, I
study leftism constantly.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I know they've changed this one.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But isn't it fascinating because this isn't the whole point
of the rainbow that it is all the colors, literally
every The whole point.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is that it's supposed to be everything.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, there literally could not be anyone not incorporated in
the rainbow flag, which was the entire purpose of the rainbow,
which now has been taken over by gay people.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I don't this happened. In conversation recently.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
One of my kids said, uh, you know, every time
I see an actual rainbow, I think now about the
gay pride flag because the gay community has so taken
over the rainbow.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You haven't, though, unleash the furious so to speak on
Twitter by breaking some news and then seeing all the
reaction to it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So this year ESPN is not just raising the gay flag.
I am told this is the first year that they
will be raising the transgender gay flag. Now, some of
you out there may say, Okay, what's the significance here.
ESPN right now is foremost in advocating for men who
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identify as women to be able to participate in women's athletics,
and in fact, ESPN ran and I believe we played
it on this show an advertisement Buck calling Leah Thomas
one of the women's sports heroes of the year. This
is a dude who was around the four hundredth best
college men swimmer, who became the best women swimmer, and
(05:35):
I believe the five hundred meter if I remember correctly
set the NCAA championship this past March. So they have
had a few brave people who have spoken out Sam Ponder,
who some of you may know Sage Steele. Two women
have come out and said this is ridiculous. I'm not
going to allow this to happen anymore without speaking out
(05:56):
on it. So this feels Buck like a direct show
back at those women. Sam Ponder what was called a
bigot by USA today for advocating for women's sports to
only be a part of women. So they are now
having a public flag raising of the transgender flag over
the Bristol, Connecticut campus of ESPN, as many of their
(06:19):
female employees who are speaking out are being called bigots
and transphobes, and so this feels like a direct corporate
shot at those employees who are speaking out on behalf
of women's athletics.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It strikes me, Clay that it is entirely now because
of a Supreme Court decision some years ago, legal to
burn the American flag as a form of speech. But
I have seen numerous stories recently of people not even
necessarily damaging a flag. But let's say, wasn't there someone
(06:54):
who I think left tire skid marks on a Pride
mural or something ye in the street, and that's a
hate crime. But burning, So if you burn a Pride flag,
if you own the flag, that is criminal. But if
you burn an American flag that has protected speech, do
I have that right? Because that's the way it seems.
(07:15):
I think it has not gone to the Supreme Court.
And so there are states that are prosecuting to your
what I'm saying right now, there are places where you
could so you can be prosecuted for burning it. I
just want every to be clear on this, because there
are cases people are prosecuted for burning a Pride flag.
You will not be prosecuted for burning an American flag.
In fact, the left will tell you that's the highest
(07:37):
form of patriotism.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, and I think in our staff can correct me
if I'm wrong on this. But I believe, and this
sounds like a made up hypothetical story that would be
in a law school exam. I believe a homeless man
they are now called unhoused people.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yes, I know that changed the term again. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, homeless man used a gay Pride flag to wipe
his bottom and was charged with a crime in New
York City for at crime.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So that's right crime.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And so I suspect buck, this will go all the
way to the Supreme Court. And I am such a
free speech absolutist, and I understand some of you are
going to disagree with this. I actually think you should
be able to burn the American flag. I disagree with it.
I don't support it in any way. I want to
be clear, But.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Then should you be able to burn a Pride flag?
One hundred percent that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I think this would go all the way to the
Supreme Court because it is a form of political commentary.
Whether you agree with it or not. The logic and
consistency there would require that these statutes which seek to
punish people for doing so are unconstitutional, and that.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Is why hate crime laws are slippery slope. There are crimes, right,
There are crimes that people should be punished for. The
notion that there are things where you could be punished
for action that is otherwise entirely legal because it offends
certain people. No, I agree with that there are cases
even in I remember actually actually did my college thesis
(09:05):
twenty years ago now on campus speech codes and the
various ways. Now I entered this as private institutions, but
they would find ways to punish, and they would use
criminal law as the basis for it to punish people
for doing things that would be entirely protected under all circumstances,
except the wrong feelings are hurt and then all of
a sudden there has to be action. So I think
(09:27):
that's an interesting side component of this debate. We've kind
of gotten deeper into this now than we had anticipated,
so we'll have to hold some of the political discussion
about the primary for a few minutes. But Clay, can
you tell me about this? I think we have it right.
The blue here we Go. Blue Jays picture Anthony Bass
(09:49):
apologize for a posting a video endorsing boycotts of places
like Target and bud Light Play five.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I recognized yesterday I made a post that's frightful to
the pride and community which includes friends of mine and
clost family members of mine, and I am truly sorry
for that. I just spoke with my teammates to share
within my actions yesterday and I apologize with them. And
as right now, I'm using the Blue Jays resources to
(10:18):
better educate myself.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh god, yeah, I can't. I can't, honestly, I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I'm using resources, but that I'm I'm I'm excited to
go into the re education camp where my transgressions will
result in struggle sessions. Give me a break, Clay, Like,
I mean, this is this is why we actually need
you know, you need to take action. You need to
speak out because otherwise this happens to everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well and and by the way, the groveling doesn't work
because a Toronto newspaper columnist has already demanded that this
guy be fired. Of course, right, because even when you
throw yourself prostrate on the apology Olympics here to try
to apologize for things that you actually believe that managed
(11:03):
in some way to upset someone. It isn't actually, it
isn't actually possible to do so.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
In Soulzanitsen's Gulag Archipelago, there's a really haunting there are
some haunting passages really where he gets into your initial
arrest on your way to being sent to the Gulag
and the apparatus functionaries who would be there, you know,
interrogating you, torturing you and everything else. They knew you
were innocent, but they wanted you to give a confession
(11:33):
just because then that made the process of completely destroying
you even easier, and they would get more and more
frustrated the longer you held out on that confession. But
the point is confessing did nothing for you. Like they
would say, just confess and we'll make it stop. Just confess. No,
when you confess, then they send you to the Gulag
for ten or twenty years and your you know, the
chance of survival is very, very slim. That's the way
(11:55):
it is to bend the need to the woke mob.
It's not like your confession results in some better treatment
for you. Your confession merely becomes admission of you being
a bad person that needs to be punished. Further so,
there's never any point in it. That's why this guy
I feel. Look, he's a picture. Is he a very
good picture? I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Is he a good player? You know what? Buck?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
This is one of those things where I know a
lot about the Atlanta Braves my chosen. Okay, but put
me on blast here for being inadequately knowledgeable about the
Toronto Blue Jays roster. Many of you out there maybe
Toronto Blue Jay roster experts.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I am not for the baseball fans of the audience.
Trust me.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
If this guy was a second string tight end playing
in the SEC twenty years ago, Clay would Clay would
tell you what his class schedule was. But okay, Blue Jays, yes, yeah,
so anyway, but this guy apologizes and what does he
get for it?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Nothing? But it's it's fascinating. This is now when people
are starting to say, maybe we should step up. Remember
this is for bud Light. He shared I think he
shared or liked a video.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It wasn't even him talking about endorse I mean a
boycotting bud Light and boycotting Target. But because he liked
that action, which remember, in the target situation, it's for
making bathing suits that hide men's penises that are supposed
to be live in bathing suits. Okay, that's really what
we're talking toizing for. I mean, like, what have you
(13:24):
done that's so transgressive? So the I just it's the groveling.
I hate when they make people do this. I hate
when they make people do this, but it's it's not
about him.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I would just.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Notice anyone ever groveled for a left wing opinion, trying
to think.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I mean there have problem. I mean, I'm sure we could.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Find some people who didn't say the right thing and
the left came after them.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No, No, I mean for having too far left wing
of an opinion. Not like I misspoke and like said
something and people were mad at me. I mean, like
you said the most outlandish, far left wing thing imaginable.
I can't recall anyone ever being required to apologize for that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Now I can't either. I think they always leave space
for that. But there's also maybe a lesson here, which
is that our side gets distracted fighting with each other
or trying to play kate the other side. Their side
has an amazing and consistent focus on destroying the country.
So there's something to be learned, something to learn from.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Ever apologize period, not if you sometimes misspeak. We might
say something stupid on this show.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Trust us.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I'm sure you probably think we do it all the time.
But apology for misspeaking is different than apologizing for what
you actually believe in. You should never do the latter.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
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show Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show Buck
teased it. We will react to this a little bit more,
but we want to give you the news. The number
of Republicans who are running for president continues to grow.
(16:42):
Chris Christy is reportedly going to announce. What's the date
next week? Buck, officially Wednesday, next one, Wednesday of next week,
Chris Christy is going to officially announce and enter the race.
We of course will invite him to come on this program,
as we've invited virtually anyone who has has announced for
the presidency so far. This Buck, and we'll talk about
(17:05):
this when we come back, because I think it is
kind of significant. This would be the first person other
than DeSantis who might be willing to challenge Trump. Now,
I don't think Chris Christy has a chance to be
the nominee, but do you agree with that based on
the way things are going so far, Maybe Mike Pence
is going to enter, but Christy would be the first
(17:25):
person other than DeSantis to be able to go toe
to toe at least after.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So here's what I think. I think.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I think Chris Christy is on a political kamikaze mission.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And his only his only goal is interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Right DeSantis is out there talking about why he thinks
he would do a great job. Everyone other than Trump
is pretty much attacking to Santas. Tim Scott's not really
attacking anybody. He's just sort of telling inspiring story about
himself and about America. But you know other Canada. Anyway,
we'll come back into this. Christy just wants to get
into settle scores with Trump. I think that's what you're
looking to see.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
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to Marco Rubio, which if those of you who remember
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to show that you really remember are very fondly growing
up in your teenage years. I think it's I think
(19:05):
depending on what generation you are, I don't know. For
some of you, it might be a happy days. For Clay,
it's probably.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Mash, you know, because he was a teenager when Mash
was here.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And your insistence, by the way, based on three years
of difference, and I'm the same Am I the same
age as your older brother? Yeah, you're the same age
as my older brother. Well.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
What I think is great, though, is people are just like, hey,
you gotta lay off Clay. Like so he's a little
bit older.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We were out to dinner the other day. People don't
realize this, and and uh, and they were like, uh,
somehow our ages came up and they said, Buck, you
look you look really young for your age, which implies
to me that I look super old for my age.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Edward three years apart.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Clay, Like Clay, I could have been on the same,
like high school athletics team.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
He could have been hazing me.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's a good point in the locker room and a
freshman when I was a senior.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yep, yeah, we could have been on the same high
school team. But I do.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I love this joke because occasionally people kind of miss
the joke of they're just like, hey, hey, lay off.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
You know Clay's. You know, it's like, it's like Clay's. Anyway,
you haven't been through the war of three kids yet,
they'll age you. They will aige you.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I mean the lack of sleep for about twenty straight
years or whatever it is, sixteen straight years of having kids.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Now that we're all grown up.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, my mom, who had four, she always says
she if she could go back, she would have eight.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
And I'm always like, well, is that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Because you've Is that because the four have all grown
up and you're now in grandma mode?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You know, so it's I would, you know, I would
keep having them.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
We had Katie, who you've met, has been with us
for almost nine years now, and initially she was in
charge of taking care of all the kids. Buck Now
she's kind of in charge of me, and she's having
a baby, and so I feel like we're having another
baby coming into the household, and I'm excited about it
because I would keep having So I'm encouraging you and Carrie.
However many kids you want, add one?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, and one day I'll tell stories of I actually
had an English nanny growing up, and she would buck
around and she would just she she would get fearious.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
She'd be like, did you take m keys? Did did? I?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Did we take her keys? And she had always had
them on a little necklace around her neck that we
could never get her. She always thought I was taking
I was like five, like, I didn't take your keys, lady,
I swear anyway. She was very Missus Doubtfire. Oh, actually
Missus Doubtfire. We look at this differently now, the whole
Missus Doubtfire situation one of the biggest movies of the nineties.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Actually, you know that I would.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Be totally unacceptable, although I made that argument and then
people said, you know, Medea might be the one that
protects Missus doubtfire because.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
If you can'tl miss doutfire, you if you cancel media.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So how we got on this, uh, other other than
other than the silly stuff it was I remember I
grew up and that the shows that had the most
impact on my on my formative you know, teenage years
would be Beverly Hill's nine O two and oh maybe
this explains a lot of my worldview and saved by
the Bell right. So Beverly Hills nine O two and
I O would say both both said in California, which is
(21:55):
interesting to me. Now would I always say I grew
up thinking California was the Promised Land that I moved
to somewhere when I was older. But for a lot
of people, it was Dawson's Creek, which I watched a
little bit of. And this is what got me thinking
about this. How many of you remember the show Dawson's Creek,
Guys and Girls. I liked it to forty five and under.
I think, would you know, be probably Dawson's Creek, you
(22:18):
know from I don't know what the age limit would be.
A point being James Vanderbeek, who played Dawson in Dawson's Creek.
I haven't I haven't seen him in public in a
very long time. I don't know what the guy's been
up to. You know, he hopefully he's doing great. You know,
selling insurance out in Scottsdale or something. I have no
idea what he's doing. But here he is pointing out
that the DNC is just in this all out shutdown mode.
(22:43):
He says, no debate, no democracy, and that's an interesting point.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Play A cannot get over the fact that the Democratic
National Committee is saying they will not be a debate
it A signed the nominee for president.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Are you kidding me? No debate?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
There's no debate over an eighty year old man, if
he lives, would be the oldest sitting president in the
history of the country. And if he doesn't live as
a vice president who's approval rating is worse than his,
How do we have a government? How do we have
a democracy? If we're letting a small, little back room
of people make all the important decisions for us, that's
(23:23):
not a democracy. And it doesn't work because y'all have
been wrong about a lot these last couple of years
in that back room. No debate, no democracy.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Dawson's Creek for the wind, Clay Boyding' something out here.
Democrats aren't allowed to even talk about the fact that
Biden's so old it's preposterous.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I talked about this on Fox News, and I never
would have believed that this would be the case that
we would be reacting to James Vanderbeek aka Dawson Leary
aka Varsity Blues Johnny Moxon one of the all time
great high school sports movies, high school movies maybe period.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He was phenomenal in.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
That as a Texas high school quarterback legend. But buck
he also said Biden's got dementia as a part of this.
And it's fascinating to me that Dawson Leary, James Vanderbeek
is more insightful on the DNC process than anyone on
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MSNBC or CNN has been so far throughout the primary season.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Isn't basic honesty a fascinating thing when it's getting swept
away for so long? There's not a single Democrat who
could make a case that Joe Biden is not beyond
the senior moments that would raise questions about this, not
a single one. Yeah, and yet they all go along
with this. It really does feel like a mass formation
(24:49):
or mass formation psychosis. It feels like everybody on the
Democrat side has to go along with this craziness that
they don't believe in and then.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That brings me to this.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I gotta look, I gotta say another friend, you know,
we talked about Kelly before. Another friend of the show, Bill,
O'Reilly right. I remember watching you know, back back god
back when I was in college, and afterwards watching Bill
at eight pm on Fox for many years.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Talented broadcaster, uh you know.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And he's been on the show a few times talking
about his books, and you will recall he got one
thing totally right. He came on and he said, well,
Buck is a brilliant guy and a genius, but he's
and then he got the thing wrong and he said,
but he's totally wrong about Biden being the nominee. Now
Biden has announced, So in my head, I was thinking, look,
I don't want to be that guy that says, haha,
I got this right. But I was thinking to myself, well, haha, Bill,
(25:37):
I got this one right. I want to be clear, Bill,
we got him here. Bill is still sticking with the
prediction everybody, and I I admire the gumption.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Is that the right word? That's the right one. I
admire the gumption here.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
He still believes at this point Biden will not be
the nominee.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Play nine, the problems that we are facing now, particularly
with this axis of evil, are very very worrisome. And
the open border, as I said, oh boy, it's going
to lead to this real, real trouble. And he does
not have control, Biden of the federal branch of government,
the executive branch. He just doesn't have control of it.
(26:20):
He will not run again. I'm sticking by my prediction.
He will not be the Democratic Nominee's.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
What's your sense of this one?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So I understand the argument of why Biden's not going
to be the nominee. Here's the challenge. Maybe we need
to get Bill O'Riley on to one.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
But do it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
But do you do you agree or disagree? Do you
think he is or is not at this point?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So if he's not going to be the nominee, they
have to force him out by September. And the reason
why I say that is if they wait till after September,
Kamala Harris is going to be the nominee. And there
is a zero percent chance that they want Kamala as
the nominee. So the logic behind his opinion is Biden
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is too weak of an incumbent to be the standard bearer.
For Democrats in twenty twenty four. I don't disagree with that.
I think Biden is going to be the weakest incumbent
president in any of our lives, and I think he
should lose. Not that he will, but I think he
should lose. The problem is the protection on some level
for Biden here Buck is Kamala would be an even
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worse candidate. So if they are going to try to
force Biden out, they have to open up the primary
process and allow an actual race to take place.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So I I think.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It's the logical choice, Buck, I really do, but I
think it has to happen by Labor Day.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
All right, Well, I'm just saying I'm doubling down on
Biden's going to be the nominee.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Everybody, just to be If I were betting right now,
I would go Biden nominee. Remember, like maybe a month ago,
I felt like the long knives were coming out when
the Washington Post had their story about how awful, and
then nothing really came of it.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It kind of has faded.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
If they're going to force them out, and it would
be a force out, it has to happen, by the way.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
To be clear, a true and sudden health issue of
some kind. Yeah, that's not I mean that could still
but that can happen to literally any president. That could
happen to anyone who is running for office. I mean,
you know, God forbid, but you never know. But in
terms of the political decision making and calculus, at this point,
I think I think it has to be.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
But you know what we you know we should do.
Why don't we get bill back on Bill? We should
have it back on because it has to happen. You
agree with me.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
If it's going to happen non health related, it would
have to happen in the next ninety days or so
because they would not want Kamala if it happens next year,
Kamala is the nominee, right, They don't want Kamala as
a nominee. So the force out is to get a
better choice. Kamala is a worse choice than Biden. Can
I tell you something I think.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Some people think is crazy and light up those lines
with this debate we're having here eight hundred two A
two two eight A two. I think Democrats they have
a better chance of getting Comma elected president than they
would Gavenuwsom.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I really believe that I think they think that she
would be better. Let's we let that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Maritate a little bit. I could explain why, but we
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Speaker 3 (30:27):
Peek out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with
Clay and Buck podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
A new episode of Every Sunday.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get
your podcasts. Okay, Chris Christy's announcing next week, Buck. He
kind of talked about this. What other than attacking Trump,
what is the motive for him to enter this race?
Because I don't think I think his moment has passed.
(30:53):
He had a moment. I think he primarily squandered it
and then went and blew up Mark Rubio's presidential race.
So there is a precedent for him just basically taking
out someone else. What other than trying to take out Trump?
What is Chris Christy doing here? Buck?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I think that it's one. This is what Chris Christie
is all about. He wants to be out there rumbling
in public, right. He wants to be part of the
fight and in the spotlight. Again, I think that's a
big component of this, which is true of a lot
of politicians. You know, there has to client. I always
joke around there's something a little off about anyone who
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could sit for three hours a day talking into a microphone,
Like you got to be a special type to just
be like I want to sit around and talk for
hours a day. But also anybody who wants to get
into I think it's even a level above those who
are willing to put themselves out there and get into
politics at a high level where there's going to be
the scrutiny to pressure the forces rate against them. So
(31:56):
I think this is just he's a guy who likes
the fight, and he also really takes it very personally,
just so everyone remembers. I believe, and I'm asking for
a fact check from the team as I say this,
but I believe Chris Christie was denied anything in the
Trump administration because Jared Kushner had a father who was
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a convicted felon and Chris Christie was the US attorney
who oversaw that conviction, that felony conviction, which was later
pardoned by Donald Trump, that conviction.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And so I.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Think when you know, there are a lot of people
in politics that have they have little feuds and things
come and go. And as I've said, for example before,
I think Ted Cruz was a phenomenal ally of Trump
when he was president, even though they had a bruising primary,
and Ted did what was best for conservatism and best
for the country. And I think I think Trump appreciated
Cruse when he was president too. I think he was
(32:57):
an eloquent spokesman for me any of the America First policies.
Chris Christy, it's the opposite direction of he's He's you know,
the feud is very real. This is not going away.
I think he feels snubbed that I think he wants
to go after Trump. And what's interesting is you can tell,
like the problem with some of the others, whether it
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was Kasik or Rubio, is that when they tried to
get down in the mud.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I don't even think Mark Rubio would disagree with this.
He's not comfortable in the mud. That's not where he lives.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
He's not a mud guy, you know, he's not a
guy who likes to get into it that way. Chris
Christie is, Yeah, he is happy to throw down with
Trump in that way. So it could be quite a
spectacle when they get on the debate stage. But even
just in the media, the war of words in the
media will be interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Also, I wonder if this makes it even more likely
that Trump doesn't debate, because if you think that Chris
Christy is just in the race to attack you, and
that he's going to do to you what he tried
to do to Marco Rubio, why would Trump step on
the debate stage purely from if Trump's got a lead
(34:04):
and he knows Look, a lot of these guys, I
think are whether it's Vivek, whether it's Tim Scott, whether
it's Nicki Haley, there's a certain element of auditioning for
the Trump administration, right.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Running for VP or secretary of State or fill in
the blank.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
One hundred unlikely that if Trump were on the stage
with them, they would really go after him aggressively.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
What's interesting, though, is what you've had up to this
point is and look, I think Chris Christy's he's done
a lot of appearances on MSNBC and telling Morning Joe.
You know, so I do think we should have him
on once he announces. I think that's sure interesting. I
want to hear him out on this one. I remember
and a lot of you Tea partiers out there will
remember this too. Christy was phenomenal at taking on when
(34:51):
I say tea party, it was around the same period
of time, you know, twenty eleven ten taking on the
teachers unions in New Jersey that were just just completely
uh you know, they were running the school system as
their own little personal piggy bank and don't care about
the kids at all.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And he called that out. So he has you know,
he has that enemy has that ability.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Anyway, what I think is interested from a political dynamics place, Clay,
is you have people like Nikki Haley and Vivek who
will attack DeSantis. Yep right, And we've pointed out they
don't attack Trump, but they'll attack DeSantis.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, that's their call, their strategy whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
But the median narrative will be different when Chris Christie's
in because he's only going to be attacking Trump.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I think.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So, you know, the having the having your second and third,
you know, Tier, if you will sniping at DeSantis, there's
going to be a different approach or a different media
commentary when you have Chris Christie throwing haymakers at Trump,
which is what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, I think it's less likely that Trump goes into
the debate. I remember that's happening as soon as August,
so I mean we're talking about we're about to be
June right tomorrow, so we're talking about just a couple
of months away, sixty days from now. And I also
think this could be, as you said, the first person
to enter the race that is doing something other than
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trying to genuflect at Trump's alter someone who is legitimately
against him. I have a lot of friends who are
big Chris Christie people.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Buck. I've never seen Chris.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Christy in a presidential campaign where I thought, oh, this
guy looks like the president of the United States. He's
always seemed kind of like a bomb thrower.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
He's a brawler, and he's really the only person that
you can think of who you know, you know, remember
in Jerry Maguire when she's like, I'm not as good
at the insults as she is Chris Christy may be
as good as the insults at the insults as Trump
is well.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
See, I think that's where this is headed.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. Appreciate you rollin' with us. We
have a very stacked show today, no surprise, it's going
to be getting very busy day in and day out as
we enter this presidential election. Cycled Also some interesting polling
(00:26):
out that we can get to in a moment. Eighteen percent.
This is from Gallup. Eighteen percent of Americans are satisfied
with the state of the nation.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Now, you might say, well, are.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
People always a little curmudgeonly and salty about the state
of the nation. Well, it's usually about thirty five percent
of people are satisfied, So that's a substantial drop.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You mean Joe Biden and the lunatic communists around him
are doing things that make people less prosperous, safe, happy,
and sane. Yes, we tell you about this. We can
come back to it though in a second. Obviously, the
House about to vote on the debt limit bill. Has
that happened just quite yet. I think it's any It's
gonna be happening shortly. Here so we'll check the latest
(01:12):
on that. Ron DeSantis kicked off his campaign with a
stop in Iowa. The Trump DeSantis throwdown is getting, shall we.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Say, more heated, more interesting. Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Also, those of you who are very online, as in
spend time on Twitter probably saw and some of you
might have even seen it on Facebook or other places.
Trump had some comments about his former Press secretary, Kaylee Mcanenny,
who's a friend of mine, a friend of Clay's. We
will discuss what the former president's truth social post was
(01:52):
all about.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
That'll be coming up.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
There's some interesting a lot of interesting stuff, even I
think interesting stuff going on in the sports world right
now with the Dodgers and now a Toronto Blue Jays
player making the requisite I'm sorry I offended the Wokeness
hostage video.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Clay will lay some of that out for some of
that out for us.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
We've got a political development that I want to dive
into here in a second.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But first, Clay, I.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Don't know how many of you remember the movie road Trip,
but there's a whole scene with what was that comedian's
name where he says was it Tom Green?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Is that right? Tom Green?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And he says he's going to unleash the fury. Clay
just gotta. Clay just put out a tweet and I
was like, Clay, are you unleashing the fury with a tweet.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
About something happening at ESPN? What happened? Clay?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
What's going on? And we can we want to return
to this in a little a little later.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, next hour, I'm going to dive into this in
a big way. But tomorrow is Pride Month, and you
all know that. I mean, it is the day of
the year, and that's not meant as an insult. June
first is the gayest day of the year, where everybody
is bedecked in Pride flags and u and it is
(03:10):
impossible to mis gat a mistake the entire month. Many
people have pointed out that we get one day to
celebrate those who have died serving our country, we get
a full month to celebrate gay people. That obviously always
happens with Memorial Day coming in close consult with June.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
First, so ESPN.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So there's evident I had to do research on this, Buck,
and I don't know if you are aware of this. Traditionally,
the Pride flag is just a rainbow, right, yes, because
the rainbow in theory would represent all colors. They have
now modified the rainbow because the rainbow was not inclusive
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enough and they now have like some sort of like arrow.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That is a transflag trans flag.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well they consider to be the trends, Like, Oh, I
study leftism constantly.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I know they've changed this one.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But isn't it fascinating because this isn't the whole point
of the rainbow that it is all the colors, literally
every The whole point.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is that it's supposed to be everything.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, there literally could not be anyone not incorporated in
the rainbow flag, which was the entire purpose of the rainbow,
which now has been taken over by gay people.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I don't this happened. In conversation recently.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
One of my kids said, uh, you know, every time
I see an actual rainbow, I think now about the
gay pride flag because the gay community has so taken
over the rainbow.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You haven't, though, unleash the furious so to speak on
Twitter by breaking some news and then seeing all the
reaction to it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So this year ESPN is not just raising the gay flag.
I am told this is the first year that they
will be raising the transgender gay flag. Now, some of
you out there may say, Okay, what's the significance here.
ESPN right now is foremost in advocating for men who
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identify as women to be able to participate in women's athletics,
and in fact, ESPN ran and I believe we played
it on this show an advertisement Buck calling Leah Thomas
one of the women's sports heroes of the year. This
is a dude who was around the four hundredth best
college men swimmer, who became the best women swimmer, and
(05:35):
I believe the five hundred meter if I remember correctly
set the NCAA championship this past March. So they have
had a few brave people who have spoken out Sam Ponder,
who some of you may know Sage Steele. Two women
have come out and said this is ridiculous. I'm not
going to allow this to happen anymore without speaking out
(05:56):
on it. So this feels Buck like a direct show
back at those women. Sam Ponder what was called a
bigot by USA today for advocating for women's sports to
only be a part of women. So they are now
having a public flag raising of the transgender flag over
the Bristol, Connecticut campus of ESPN, as many of their
(06:19):
female employees who are speaking out are being called bigots
and transphobes, and so this feels like a direct corporate
shot at those employees who are speaking out on behalf
of women's athletics.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It strikes me, Clay that it is entirely now because
of a Supreme Court decision some years ago, legal to
burn the American flag as a form of speech. But
I have seen numerous stories recently of people not even
necessarily damaging a flag. But let's say, wasn't there someone
(06:54):
who I think left tire skid marks on a Pride
mural or something ye in the street, and that's a
hate crime. But burning, So if you burn a Pride flag,
if you own the flag, that is criminal. But if
you burn an American flag that has protected speech, do
I have that right? Because that's the way it seems.
(07:15):
I think it has not gone to the Supreme Court.
And so there are states that are prosecuting to your
what I'm saying right now, there are places where you
could so you can be prosecuted for burning it. I
just want every to be clear on this, because there
are cases people are prosecuted for burning a Pride flag.
You will not be prosecuted for burning an American flag.
In fact, the left will tell you that's the highest
(07:37):
form of patriotism.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, and I think in our staff can correct me
if I'm wrong on this. But I believe, and this
sounds like a made up hypothetical story that would be
in a law school exam. I believe a homeless man
they are now called unhoused people.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yes, I know that changed the term again. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, homeless man used a gay Pride flag to wipe
his bottom and was charged with a crime in New
York City for at crime.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So that's right crime.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And so I suspect buck, this will go all the
way to the Supreme Court. And I am such a
free speech absolutist, and I understand some of you are
going to disagree with this. I actually think you should
be able to burn the American flag. I disagree with it.
I don't support it in any way. I want to
be clear, But.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Then should you be able to burn a Pride flag?
One hundred percent that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I think this would go all the way to the
Supreme Court because it is a form of political commentary.
Whether you agree with it or not. The logic and
consistency there would require that these statutes which seek to
punish people for doing so are unconstitutional, and that.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Is why hate crime laws are slippery slope. There are crimes, right,
There are crimes that people should be punished for. The
notion that there are things where you could be punished
for action that is otherwise entirely legal because it offends
certain people. No, I agree with that there are cases
even in I remember actually actually did my college thesis
(09:05):
twenty years ago now on campus speech codes and the
various ways. Now I entered this as private institutions, but
they would find ways to punish, and they would use
criminal law as the basis for it to punish people
for doing things that would be entirely protected under all circumstances,
except the wrong feelings are hurt and then all of
a sudden there has to be action. So I think
(09:27):
that's an interesting side component of this debate. We've kind
of gotten deeper into this now than we had anticipated,
so we'll have to hold some of the political discussion
about the primary for a few minutes. But Clay, can
you tell me about this? I think we have it right.
The blue here we Go. Blue Jays picture Anthony Bass
(09:49):
apologize for a posting a video endorsing boycotts of places
like Target and bud Light Play five.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I recognized yesterday I made a post that's frightful to
the pride and community which includes friends of mine and
clost family members of mine, and I am truly sorry
for that. I just spoke with my teammates to share
within my actions yesterday and I apologize with them. And
as right now, I'm using the Blue Jays resources to
(10:18):
better educate myself.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh god, yeah, I can't. I can't, honestly, I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I'm using resources, but that I'm I'm I'm excited to
go into the re education camp where my transgressions will
result in struggle sessions. Give me a break, Clay, Like,
I mean, this is this is why we actually need
you know, you need to take action. You need to
speak out because otherwise this happens to everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well and and by the way, the groveling doesn't work
because a Toronto newspaper columnist has already demanded that this
guy be fired. Of course, right, because even when you
throw yourself prostrate on the apology Olympics here to try
to apologize for things that you actually believe that managed
(11:03):
in some way to upset someone. It isn't actually, it
isn't actually possible to do so.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
In Soulzanitsen's Gulag Archipelago, there's a really haunting there are
some haunting passages really where he gets into your initial
arrest on your way to being sent to the Gulag
and the apparatus functionaries who would be there, you know,
interrogating you, torturing you and everything else. They knew you
were innocent, but they wanted you to give a confession
(11:33):
just because then that made the process of completely destroying
you even easier, and they would get more and more
frustrated the longer you held out on that confession. But
the point is confessing did nothing for you. Like they
would say, just confess and we'll make it stop. Just confess. No,
when you confess, then they send you to the Gulag
for ten or twenty years and your you know, the
chance of survival is very, very slim. That's the way
(11:55):
it is to bend the need to the woke mob.
It's not like your confession results in some better treatment
for you. Your confession merely becomes admission of you being
a bad person that needs to be punished. Further so,
there's never any point in it. That's why this guy
I feel. Look, he's a picture. Is he a very
good picture? I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Is he a good player? You know what? Buck?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
This is one of those things where I know a
lot about the Atlanta Braves my chosen. Okay, but put
me on blast here for being inadequately knowledgeable about the
Toronto Blue Jays roster. Many of you out there maybe
Toronto Blue Jay roster experts.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I am not for the baseball fans of the audience.
Trust me.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
If this guy was a second string tight end playing
in the SEC twenty years ago, Clay would Clay would
tell you what his class schedule was. But okay, Blue Jays, yes, yeah,
so anyway, but this guy apologizes and what does he
get for it?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Nothing? But it's it's fascinating. This is now when people
are starting to say, maybe we should step up. Remember
this is for bud Light. He shared I think he
shared or liked a video.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It wasn't even him talking about endorse I mean a
boycotting bud Light and boycotting Target. But because he liked
that action, which remember, in the target situation, it's for
making bathing suits that hide men's penises that are supposed
to be live in bathing suits. Okay, that's really what
we're talking toizing for. I mean, like, what have you
(13:24):
done that's so transgressive? So the I just it's the groveling.
I hate when they make people do this. I hate
when they make people do this, but it's it's not
about him.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I would just.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Notice anyone ever groveled for a left wing opinion, trying
to think.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I mean there have problem. I mean, I'm sure we could.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Find some people who didn't say the right thing and
the left came after them.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No, No, I mean for having too far left wing
of an opinion. Not like I misspoke and like said
something and people were mad at me. I mean, like
you said the most outlandish, far left wing thing imaginable.
I can't recall anyone ever being required to apologize for that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Now I can't either. I think they always leave space
for that. But there's also maybe a lesson here, which
is that our side gets distracted fighting with each other
or trying to play kate the other side. Their side
has an amazing and consistent focus on destroying the country.
So there's something to be learned, something to learn from.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Ever apologize period, not if you sometimes misspeak. We might
say something stupid on this show.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Trust us.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I'm sure you probably think we do it all the time.
But apology for misspeaking is different than apologizing for what
you actually believe in. You should never do the latter.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
We have an announcement about somebody, not like we are enough,
Just to be clear, we're not announcing it, but there
is an announcement out there about somebody else who is
entering the presidential contest here on the Republican side. We
shall discuss that and a whole lot more here coming
up in a second. You know, online data breaches happened
(15:04):
so often these days, they don't get reported very much.
Yesterday we told you about a medical services company that
suffered a data breach which potentially compromised millions of Americans.
The actual breach happened two and a half months ago,
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show Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show Buck
teased it. We will react to this a little bit more,
but we want to give you the news. The number
of Republicans who are running for president continues to grow.
(16:42):
Chris Christy is reportedly going to announce. What's the date
next week? Buck, officially Wednesday, next one, Wednesday of next week,
Chris Christy is going to officially announce and enter the race.
We of course will invite him to come on this program,
as we've invited virtually anyone who has has announced for
the presidency so far. This Buck, and we'll talk about
(17:05):
this when we come back, because I think it is
kind of significant. This would be the first person other
than DeSantis who might be willing to challenge Trump. Now,
I don't think Chris Christy has a chance to be
the nominee, but do you agree with that based on
the way things are going so far, Maybe Mike Pence
is going to enter, but Christy would be the first
(17:25):
person other than DeSantis to be able to go toe
to toe at least after.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So here's what I think. I think.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I think Chris Christy is on a political kamikaze mission.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And his only his only goal is interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Right DeSantis is out there talking about why he thinks
he would do a great job. Everyone other than Trump
is pretty much attacking to Santas. Tim Scott's not really
attacking anybody. He's just sort of telling inspiring story about
himself and about America. But you know other Canada. Anyway,
we'll come back into this. Christy just wants to get
into settle scores with Trump. I think that's what you're
looking to see.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
He might try to do to Trump what he did
to Marco Rubio, which if those of you who remember
in twenty sixteen, we will discuss in the meantime. You
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percent of I don't know how many of you had
to show that you really remember are very fondly growing
up in your teenage years. I think it's I think
(19:05):
depending on what generation you are, I don't know. For
some of you, it might be a happy days. For Clay,
it's probably.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Mash, you know, because he was a teenager when Mash
was here.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And your insistence, by the way, based on three years
of difference, and I'm the same Am I the same
age as your older brother? Yeah, you're the same age
as my older brother. Well.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
What I think is great, though, is people are just like, hey,
you gotta lay off Clay. Like so he's a little
bit older.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We were out to dinner the other day. People don't
realize this, and and uh, and they were like, uh,
somehow our ages came up and they said, Buck, you
look you look really young for your age, which implies
to me that I look super old for my age.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Edward three years apart.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Clay, Like Clay, I could have been on the same,
like high school athletics team.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
He could have been hazing me.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's a good point in the locker room and a
freshman when I was a senior.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yep, yeah, we could have been on the same high
school team. But I do.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I love this joke because occasionally people kind of miss
the joke of they're just like, hey, hey, lay off.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
You know Clay's. You know, it's like, it's like Clay's. Anyway,
you haven't been through the war of three kids yet,
they'll age you. They will aige you.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I mean the lack of sleep for about twenty straight
years or whatever it is, sixteen straight years of having kids.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Now that we're all grown up.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, my mom, who had four, she always says
she if she could go back, she would have eight.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
And I'm always like, well, is that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Because you've Is that because the four have all grown
up and you're now in grandma mode?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You know, so it's I would, you know, I would
keep having them.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
We had Katie, who you've met, has been with us
for almost nine years now, and initially she was in
charge of taking care of all the kids. Buck Now
she's kind of in charge of me, and she's having
a baby, and so I feel like we're having another
baby coming into the household, and I'm excited about it
because I would keep having So I'm encouraging you and Carrie.
However many kids you want, add one?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, and one day I'll tell stories of I actually
had an English nanny growing up, and she would buck
around and she would just she she would get fearious.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
She'd be like, did you take m keys? Did did? I?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Did we take her keys? And she had always had
them on a little necklace around her neck that we
could never get her. She always thought I was taking
I was like five, like, I didn't take your keys, lady,
I swear anyway. She was very Missus Doubtfire. Oh, actually
Missus Doubtfire. We look at this differently now, the whole
Missus Doubtfire situation one of the biggest movies of the nineties.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Actually, you know that I would.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Be totally unacceptable, although I made that argument and then
people said, you know, Medea might be the one that
protects Missus doubtfire because.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
If you can'tl miss doutfire, you if you cancel media.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So how we got on this, uh, other other than
other than the silly stuff it was I remember I
grew up and that the shows that had the most
impact on my on my formative you know, teenage years
would be Beverly Hill's nine O two and oh maybe
this explains a lot of my worldview and saved by
the Bell right. So Beverly Hills nine O two and
I O would say both both said in California, which is
(21:55):
interesting to me. Now would I always say I grew
up thinking California was the Promised Land that I moved
to somewhere when I was older. But for a lot
of people, it was Dawson's Creek, which I watched a
little bit of. And this is what got me thinking
about this. How many of you remember the show Dawson's Creek,
Guys and Girls. I liked it to forty five and under.
I think, would you know, be probably Dawson's Creek, you
(22:18):
know from I don't know what the age limit would be.
A point being James Vanderbeek, who played Dawson in Dawson's Creek.
I haven't I haven't seen him in public in a
very long time. I don't know what the guy's been
up to. You know, he hopefully he's doing great. You know,
selling insurance out in Scottsdale or something. I have no
idea what he's doing. But here he is pointing out
that the DNC is just in this all out shutdown mode.
(22:43):
He says, no debate, no democracy, and that's an interesting point.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Play A cannot get over the fact that the Democratic
National Committee is saying they will not be a debate
it A signed the nominee for president.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Are you kidding me? No debate?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
There's no debate over an eighty year old man, if
he lives, would be the oldest sitting president in the
history of the country. And if he doesn't live as
a vice president who's approval rating is worse than his,
How do we have a government? How do we have
a democracy? If we're letting a small, little back room
of people make all the important decisions for us, that's
(23:23):
not a democracy. And it doesn't work because y'all have
been wrong about a lot these last couple of years
in that back room. No debate, no democracy.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Dawson's Creek for the wind, Clay Boyding' something out here.
Democrats aren't allowed to even talk about the fact that
Biden's so old it's preposterous.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I talked about this on Fox News, and I never
would have believed that this would be the case that
we would be reacting to James Vanderbeek aka Dawson Leary
aka Varsity Blues Johnny Moxon one of the all time
great high school sports movies, high school movies maybe period.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He was phenomenal in.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
That as a Texas high school quarterback legend. But buck
he also said Biden's got dementia as a part of this.
And it's fascinating to me that Dawson Leary, James Vanderbeek
is more insightful on the DNC process than anyone on
(24:24):
MSNBC or CNN has been so far throughout the primary season.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Isn't basic honesty a fascinating thing when it's getting swept
away for so long? There's not a single Democrat who
could make a case that Joe Biden is not beyond
the senior moments that would raise questions about this, not
a single one. Yeah, and yet they all go along
with this. It really does feel like a mass formation
(24:49):
or mass formation psychosis. It feels like everybody on the
Democrat side has to go along with this craziness that
they don't believe in and then.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That brings me to this.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I gotta look, I gotta say another friend, you know,
we talked about Kelly before. Another friend of the show, Bill,
O'Reilly right. I remember watching you know, back back god
back when I was in college, and afterwards watching Bill
at eight pm on Fox for many years.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Talented broadcaster, uh you know.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And he's been on the show a few times talking
about his books, and you will recall he got one
thing totally right. He came on and he said, well,
Buck is a brilliant guy and a genius, but he's
and then he got the thing wrong and he said,
but he's totally wrong about Biden being the nominee. Now
Biden has announced, So in my head, I was thinking, look,
I don't want to be that guy that says, haha,
I got this right. But I was thinking to myself, well, haha, Bill,
(25:37):
I got this one right. I want to be clear, Bill,
we got him here. Bill is still sticking with the
prediction everybody, and I I admire the gumption.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Is that the right word? That's the right one. I
admire the gumption here.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
He still believes at this point Biden will not be
the nominee.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Play nine, the problems that we are facing now, particularly
with this axis of evil, are very very worrisome. And
the open border, as I said, oh boy, it's going
to lead to this real, real trouble. And he does
not have control, Biden of the federal branch of government,
the executive branch. He just doesn't have control of it.
(26:20):
He will not run again. I'm sticking by my prediction.
He will not be the Democratic Nominee's.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
What's your sense of this one?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So I understand the argument of why Biden's not going
to be the nominee. Here's the challenge. Maybe we need
to get Bill O'Riley on to one.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
But do it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
But do you do you agree or disagree? Do you
think he is or is not at this point?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So if he's not going to be the nominee, they
have to force him out by September. And the reason
why I say that is if they wait till after September,
Kamala Harris is going to be the nominee. And there
is a zero percent chance that they want Kamala as
the nominee. So the logic behind his opinion is Biden
(27:04):
is too weak of an incumbent to be the standard bearer.
For Democrats in twenty twenty four. I don't disagree with that.
I think Biden is going to be the weakest incumbent
president in any of our lives, and I think he
should lose. Not that he will, but I think he
should lose. The problem is the protection on some level
for Biden here Buck is Kamala would be an even
(27:26):
worse candidate. So if they are going to try to
force Biden out, they have to open up the primary
process and allow an actual race to take place.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So I I think.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It's the logical choice, Buck, I really do, but I
think it has to happen by Labor Day.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
All right, Well, I'm just saying I'm doubling down on
Biden's going to be the nominee.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Everybody, just to be If I were betting right now,
I would go Biden nominee. Remember, like maybe a month ago,
I felt like the long knives were coming out when
the Washington Post had their story about how awful, and
then nothing really came of it.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It kind of has faded.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
If they're going to force them out, and it would
be a force out, it has to happen, by the way.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
To be clear, a true and sudden health issue of
some kind. Yeah, that's not I mean that could still
but that can happen to literally any president. That could
happen to anyone who is running for office. I mean,
you know, God forbid, but you never know. But in
terms of the political decision making and calculus, at this point,
I think I think it has to be.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
But you know what we you know we should do.
Why don't we get bill back on Bill? We should
have it back on because it has to happen. You
agree with me.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
If it's going to happen non health related, it would
have to happen in the next ninety days or so
because they would not want Kamala if it happens next year,
Kamala is the nominee, right, They don't want Kamala as
a nominee. So the force out is to get a
better choice. Kamala is a worse choice than Biden. Can
I tell you something I think.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Some people think is crazy and light up those lines
with this debate we're having here eight hundred two A
two two eight A two. I think Democrats they have
a better chance of getting Comma elected president than they
would Gavenuwsom.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I really believe that I think they think that she
would be better. Let's we let that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Maritate a little bit. I could explain why, but we
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Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get
your podcasts. Okay, Chris Christy's announcing next week, Buck. He
kind of talked about this. What other than attacking Trump,
what is the motive for him to enter this race?
Because I don't think I think his moment has passed.
(30:53):
He had a moment. I think he primarily squandered it
and then went and blew up Mark Rubio's presidential race.
So there is a precedent for him just basically taking
out someone else. What other than trying to take out Trump?
What is Chris Christy doing here? Buck?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I think that it's one. This is what Chris Christie
is all about. He wants to be out there rumbling
in public, right. He wants to be part of the
fight and in the spotlight. Again, I think that's a
big component of this, which is true of a lot
of politicians. You know, there has to client. I always
joke around there's something a little off about anyone who
(31:33):
could sit for three hours a day talking into a microphone,
Like you got to be a special type to just
be like I want to sit around and talk for
hours a day. But also anybody who wants to get
into I think it's even a level above those who
are willing to put themselves out there and get into
politics at a high level where there's going to be
the scrutiny to pressure the forces rate against them. So
(31:56):
I think this is just he's a guy who likes
the fight, and he also really takes it very personally,
just so everyone remembers. I believe, and I'm asking for
a fact check from the team as I say this,
but I believe Chris Christie was denied anything in the
Trump administration because Jared Kushner had a father who was
(32:21):
a convicted felon and Chris Christie was the US attorney
who oversaw that conviction, that felony conviction, which was later
pardoned by Donald Trump, that conviction.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And so I.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Think when you know, there are a lot of people
in politics that have they have little feuds and things
come and go. And as I've said, for example before,
I think Ted Cruz was a phenomenal ally of Trump
when he was president, even though they had a bruising primary,
and Ted did what was best for conservatism and best
for the country. And I think I think Trump appreciated
Cruse when he was president too. I think he was
(32:57):
an eloquent spokesman for me any of the America First policies.
Chris Christy, it's the opposite direction of he's He's you know,
the feud is very real. This is not going away.
I think he feels snubbed that I think he wants
to go after Trump. And what's interesting is you can tell,
like the problem with some of the others, whether it
(33:18):
was Kasik or Rubio, is that when they tried to
get down in the mud.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I don't even think Mark Rubio would disagree with this.
He's not comfortable in the mud. That's not where he lives.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
He's not a mud guy, you know, he's not a
guy who likes to get into it that way. Chris
Christie is, Yeah, he is happy to throw down with
Trump in that way. So it could be quite a
spectacle when they get on the debate stage. But even
just in the media, the war of words in the
media will be interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Also, I wonder if this makes it even more likely
that Trump doesn't debate, because if you think that Chris
Christy is just in the race to attack you, and
that he's going to do to you what he tried
to do to Marco Rubio, why would Trump step on
the debate stage purely from if Trump's got a lead
(34:04):
and he knows Look, a lot of these guys, I
think are whether it's Vivek, whether it's Tim Scott, whether
it's Nicki Haley, there's a certain element of auditioning for
the Trump administration, right.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Running for VP or secretary of State or fill in
the blank.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
One hundred unlikely that if Trump were on the stage
with them, they would really go after him aggressively.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
What's interesting, though, is what you've had up to this
point is and look, I think Chris Christy's he's done
a lot of appearances on MSNBC and telling Morning Joe.
You know, so I do think we should have him
on once he announces. I think that's sure interesting. I
want to hear him out on this one. I remember
and a lot of you Tea partiers out there will
remember this too. Christy was phenomenal at taking on when
(34:51):
I say tea party, it was around the same period
of time, you know, twenty eleven ten taking on the
teachers unions in New Jersey that were just just completely
uh you know, they were running the school system as
their own little personal piggy bank and don't care about
the kids at all.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And he called that out. So he has you know,
he has that enemy has that ability.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Anyway, what I think is interested from a political dynamics place, Clay,
is you have people like Nikki Haley and Vivek who
will attack DeSantis. Yep right, And we've pointed out they
don't attack Trump, but they'll attack DeSantis.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, that's their call, their strategy whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
But the median narrative will be different when Chris Christie's
in because he's only going to be attacking Trump.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I think.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So, you know, the having the having your second and third,
you know, Tier, if you will sniping at DeSantis, there's
going to be a different approach or a different media
commentary when you have Chris Christie throwing haymakers at Trump,
which is what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, I think it's less likely that Trump goes into
the debate. I remember that's happening as soon as August,
so I mean we're talking about we're about to be
June right tomorrow, so we're talking about just a couple
of months away, sixty days from now. And I also
think this could be, as you said, the first person
to enter the race that is doing something other than
(36:11):
trying to genuflect at Trump's alter someone who is legitimately
against him. I have a lot of friends who are
big Chris Christie people.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Buck. I've never seen Chris.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Christy in a presidential campaign where I thought, oh, this
guy looks like the president of the United States. He's
always seemed kind of like a bomb thrower.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
He's a brawler, and he's really the only person that
you can think of who you know, you know, remember
in Jerry Maguire when she's like, I'm not as good
at the insults as she is Chris Christy may be
as good as the insults at the insults as Trump
is well.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
See, I think that's where this is headed.
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