June 6, 2023 • 36 mins
PGA merges with LIV Golf in huge win for LIV Golf and Trump. Flashback to PGA commissioner equating players who left for LIV to 9/11 hijackers. Clay predicted LIV and PGA would merge. What's lurking in Clay's DMs. Jen Psaki still selling Russia collusion lie on MSNBC. Independent female caller who voted for Biden is open to GOP because of covid.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we roll through
what is as always a bit of a wild ride
into the world. Every day it feels like things crazy
that you don't necessarily anticipate. We got Chris Christy and
(00:26):
we also have Mike Pence joining the race this week.
We will discuss the impact of what might transpire there.
But we tease this off the top, Buck, and I'm
gonna give you a little bit of a background. I
bet there's a lot of questions about this eight hundred
and two eight two two eight a two. The PGA
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and the Live Golf Tour are merging. I would describe
this as blockbuster news that came down about ten am
Eastern this morning. Here's a good question for you, right
off the top, Buck, what percentage of our audience do
you think are golfers? Thirty forty Yeah, thirty percent maybe.
(01:10):
I think it's a pretty high percentage. So I think
there's a lot of you that are fascinated by this story.
For those of you who are not, let me give you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Is that crazy about it's thirty way too high? Or
is that that seems about right? I think right?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Probably, I would think that there is a massive overlap
between this show and golf.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I just if I.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Had to bet on any sport like obviously the NFL's huge.
College football is huge. Football in general in this country
is huge. But if I had to bet, I would
I would put a lot of money on there being
a huge number of you even that are listening to
us right now as you drive to or from the
golf course, as you get out and work on the range.
(01:49):
I would think there is a huge overlap. I know
for a fact that OutKick and the golf universe are
basically one and the same, right, There's just a huge
overlap of people that are interested in golf and also
read out Kick on a regular basis. So Buck, let
me tie it into Trump here off the top.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You and I last year in July.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Were with Trump at Bedminster for the Live Golf event.
I played the Live Golf event there, and let me
give you a little bit. I don't know that I
said this on the show. I stayed at the Live
Golf hotel the night before the Live Golf pro am right.
I played with Brooks Keepka. I nearly killed him with
(02:34):
one of my errant shots. He's lucky to be alive.
I think he's going to be a father now. So
I'm glad I didn't end his bid for fatherhood when
he almost got blindsided by one of my awful shots
out there at Bedminster. But the reason why I bring
this up is the night before the tournament officially got underway,
I was sitting at the bar at the hotel and
(02:55):
all of these you remember this buck, all of these
nine to eleven protesters walked in and they were saying
that anybody who had gone to work at Live wor
taking blood money, that this was unacceptable. And I was
sitting at the bar just having a beer with several
different Live Golf executives and players, and a couple of
(03:16):
these dudes came in and they were like, Oh, you're
you're going to play in this course. Don't you feel
awful for yourself? How could you take blood money? First
of all, I wasn't being paid anything.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I was just.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Playing in the course and we were doing our show
with Trump, and I believe we have audio of PGA
Tour Commissioner Jay Monaghan effectively saying anybody that went to
work for Live was standing alongside of the nine to
eleven terrorists.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Effectively, here's that audio.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Well, I talked to players, I've talked at a player meeting,
and I've talked to a number of players individually for
a long period of time. And I think you'd have
to be living under a rock to not know that
there are significant implications. And as it relates to the
families of nine to eleven, I have two families that
are close to me that lost loved ones, and so
(04:09):
my heart goes out to them. And I would ask,
you know, any player that has left, or any player
that would ever consider leaving, have you ever had to
apologize for being a member of the PGA Tour?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Okay Buck, I mean that's pretty aggressive to say. Basically,
you're turning your back on nine to eleven victims if
you're deciding to play on the Live Tour. Here's what's significant.
There are reports that a guy like Tiger Woods Buck
turned down seven hundred and fifty million dollars to stay
with the PGA Tour. Now the PGA Tour itself, which
(04:45):
tried to keep its players from joining the Live tour
is now in partnership directly with the Saudis themselves. You're
not even a hardcore golf guy or certainly a sports fan,
but that hypocrisy has to even kind to blow your
mind a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Right, money talks, I mean, at the end of the day,
the Saudis are there's really no money like oil money,
because even if let's say the Saudis ran their treasury
down to zero tomorrow, not that that's going to happen,
but they have free money that just comes out of
the ground, and it's money, and it's it's a substance
(05:23):
oil that the entire world needs. The world economy, the
global economy functions only because of hydrocarbons. Despite what all
the lunatic leftists and you see these what is it
like stop oil protesters in the UK's people are They're
they're grasping at at a religion that is rooted in lunacy.
And that's what this climate oil stuff, a climate change
oil hydrocarbon opposition is all about. But bring it back
(05:48):
to the sports side of things. You know, I'm trying
to think of something to say about the PGA tour.
I know nothing about the PGA tour, but I know
that divesting from from Saudi entirely is effectively impossible. I mean,
what is it over twelve thirteen, fourteen percent something like
that of global oil output every day comes from Saudi Arabia.
(06:11):
So unless you want the world to be markedly poorer,
you're doing business with the Saudis. You just don't know it,
because the world economy functions on oil, So I don't
know what you know. I also kind of wonder what
the it's easy for people to talk a big game
about Saudi Arabia. Here's how I can't add to this
conversation because I knew enough. I have never watched a
(06:32):
golf on TV.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Event in my entire lifense. I don't even know how
that's possible. You have never watched any golf tournament it is,
I could think of nothing, you know what. I'm just
not I'm going to hold my opinions back on televised golf.
My dad loves golf, so there are sextons who love
My dad loves golf.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
He's all about it. So I'll just keep this. I'll
keep my golf eyes too. I remember love playing golf.
I'm awful at it, but I'll watch it on TV too.
I really enjoy it. But remember when there was that
that guy who was assassinated by the Saudi you know,
they basically Saudi hit squad and they chopped up the
body and they were saying, you know, Kashogian, Mohammed bin
(07:14):
Salmon was all of a sudden persona non grada. What
are we gonna do? You know what everybody did about
that Democrat and Republican you know what really happened as
a result of that. Nothing? Yeah, nothing. So all the
talk and all the editorials and all the no one
did a damn thing. They use it to blame Trump
because it happened under you know, Trump had nothing to
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do with any of it. But they're like, why don't
you just you know, get all get into it with
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. You know why because we
need the oil still, And that's really what it comes
down to you at the end of the day. The
global market needs oil, so we we try. And the
relationship with Saudi Arabia that the US has has been
getting better in recent years, so it's easy to play
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to talk tough about the Saudis. But they got a
lot of money, and no one's going to do anything
about the Saudis really, So that's what I see from
a geopolitical side of the Live Golf PGA Merger.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I think we have audio from me talking about this
a year ago. This was on Fox News. My perspective
on this has always been Buck, as long as you
don't lecture me about politics, I don't have any issue
at all with you making money from countries that have
different values than the United States. But when you lecture
me as many athletes do, and as the PGA tried
(08:31):
to do, Oh how dare you take Saudi money and
meanwhile you got the NBA making money from China Chinese money.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, of course that's what I'm saying. The whole thing
is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And I'll also point out that there was way more
criticism of these golfers for interacting with Saudi Arabia than
Buck there was for Joe Biden. Remember last year he
went to Saudi Arabia and begged for more oil because
oil prices were so high last summer. Here's an audio
clip of that discussion, I believe from last year on
Fox News. Ultimately, as the Live tour continues to grow
(09:07):
and as the PGA Tour shrinks, this is going to
turn into a legitimate battle royale between these two big
golf entities.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I think the Live Tour.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Given their backing from the Saudis, they have money to
be able to go for a long time. Eventually, the
PGA and the Live Tour are going to have to
sue for peace. It's going to be like the AFL
and the NFL. For those people out there who remember
when the NFL had a charging league, challenging league and
ended up merging together.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
That was a year ago. That is perfect.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Can we get that clip so I could share it
too on social because I couldn't find it myself. Good
job by the staff. Trump also built on this and
made the same prediction. He ended up being one hundred
percent right. That is now echoing around. But Buck, I
think what is so interesting about this is this is
part of the larger global behem at the going on.
(10:01):
And I would even tie it into bud Light. I
would tie it into Target. There's a good article up
Bobby Barracket out Kick wrote it. You know everybody changes
all these big companies. Buck changed their logo for Pride
Month for their United States based branding the same companies
that do business in other parts of the world. They
(10:21):
have the same Twitter account, but it's like, I don't
know Anheuser Busch Mideast or something, right, just throwing it
out there. They never change the logo, so the same
these multinational businesses make no mistake that they are selling
artificial bills of good to you when they say, oh,
we're all about pride. The NBA is a great example.
You know, the NBA is going to do a game
(10:43):
buck in the UAE where if you are found to
be gay, do you know what they can do? They
can behead you. So the NBA lectures all of us
and they wag their fingers in They're like, how dare
there be a transgender bathroom bill? And then they go
take the money of the UAE where if you just
are gay, you're allowed to be beheaded. This corporate bs Again.
(11:04):
If your goal is just hey, we're gonna make as
much money, will follow the laws everywhere we can do business,
I get it, but the hypocrisy on this is staggering.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, China is also a much bigger concern for America's future.
It's safety, it's pre eminence than Saudi Arabia is it's
not even close. I mean by a factor of one hundred.
And the Saudis provide the world with with with oil effectively,
and there was a period there where a lot of
(11:34):
the and this is now bringing me back to the
old days, a lot of the Wahabism and Islamic radicalism
jihadism was funded by Saudi oil money, and that obviously
ties directly into nine to eleven. And I understand why
there's why there's still a lot of anger because there
really was never any Saudi accountability for that. In fact,
there's still to this day some classified stuff around Saudi
(11:58):
knowledge of or any any complicity in by any Saudi
official what happened on nine elevens. I'm very aware of
all of that. But you also have to deal with
the world as it is today and what have we
seen with Russia. With Russia, we tried to take a
moral stance. And people will argue that Ukraine is a
(12:21):
geopolitical win for us or something if we help it,
But really it's a moral stance that the Biden administration
has taken, which is Russia is bad, Russia invaded, we
have to help Ukraine, and we're going to attack them economically.
What we found out is that when you have a
whole lot of natural gas, a whole lot of oil,
a whole lot of fertilizer, a number of inputs that
(12:43):
the global economy needs, it's going to get it. You're
going to sell it. People are going to buy it
from you, and so we need to be realistic about
what's possible and what's not when you're talking about boycotts.
But the perfect example is always any anything that is
woke in corporate America that is doing business in China.
(13:05):
They're always like, well, I can't say anything about China
because that would really hurt my profits over there. But
you know, here, I'm really really brave. The NBA is
probably the most obvious and pathetic example of this, but
there are many others as well, Disney and so many
companies out there, so you know, maybe, uh, maybe I'll
be watching my first Well are they going to change
the name or is it going to stay as the
(13:25):
PGA do we know? It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I think a lot of the I think it's still
going to be the PGA Tour, But it's a great
question that there doesn't seem to be a lot of
definite knowledge. I mean, they went on CNBC, but it's
it's always when they do these mergers, you know, they
end up like the PGA Tour presented by Live Golf,
you know, like they tried.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I was going to say the PGA Tour sponsored by
Saudi Ramco whatever. Yeah. Yeah, So you know, we'll see,
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in to Clay and Buck. An important update. An important update.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
I am the voice of the DM Brigade here to
Clay because he was he was talking some rough stuff
to some of the DM tipsters from it was you know,
he was throwing bud lights around.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He was saying, who wants one? I was saying, hold
on a second, buddy, hold on a second, Clay share
the update. Let's be fair minded. What did your DM
tipsters tell you in response to you calling them out?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So first hour we were making fun of the fact
that Joybayhar was not on with Tim Scott when Tim
Scott lacerated the view yesterday. We played that clip for.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
You, and I stand by the analysis even with but
keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And a bunch of people jumped in my dms, and
I have open dms, so.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I will scroll through a lot of times. I don't click.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But like I said, a lot of the dms I
get not going to surprise you are from woke left
wing people who want to attack me. But occasionally I
get good tips and it's fast.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I've never in my whole life, because I wasn't always
in media, you know, I was a normal you know,
like everyday guy, well Cia, but whatever is you know,
doing the normal stuff. I've never written an angry message
or email to a stranger in my life. I don't
understand these hateful things now. It is.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It is a really I don't know what percentage of
people do it, but I would say maybe five to
ten percent of the American public. Is the kind of
person who would send an angry email or tweet or whatever,
because I do think it's a small minority, because I
think most people are busy and don't have time to
lash out at strangers over things that that that you
(17:05):
know that they're upset by. But I have open dms
because sometimes we get tips on stories. Sometimes people reach
out and otherwise wouldn't be able to get in touch
with me. Okay, So I made fun of how many
people were reaching out and say enjoy behar was.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Off to a word Buck, and I give them credit.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Almost every single one of those guys immediately responded, we
appreciate you listening to the show and said, hey, I
only know it because I watched Gut Film last night
and they made a big, a big to do about
the fact that Joy was not on.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So Gutt felt great show. Buck and I both enjoyed
doing it.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
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You don't drink bud lights, you.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Do have do we go Mickel? What's the what's the
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Speaker 2 (17:52):
I really like Guinness and also my beer Gratis, which
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
Travis buck Sexton Show appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. Yesterday we talked about christ Un Nunu, current
governor of New Hampshire, and the way that he announced
that he was not going to be going after the
twenty twenty four nomination in the Republican primary. He announced
with both CNN and the Washington Post, and then he
(19:22):
continued his tour of left wing media outlets by going
on with Jensaki on MSNBC. Now, we said, all these
people hate us, They're not going to be friendly, they're
not going to be fair, and not surprisingly, Jensaki tried
to argue that Russia collusion happened in twenty sixteen. But
I wanted to give credit to Kristun Nunu for pushing
(19:44):
back against that lie yesterday on MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Here's what it sounded like.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You've all created a situation where, God, what what kind
of planet are we own?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Where Donald Trump's become the victim. Well, I think nobody believes,
it believes.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
We know.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I have to stop you on there, because we know
very clearly that Putin and the Kremlin did intervene in
our election in order to try to help Donald Trump
back in twenty sixteen, so we know that is true,
but you may think that they shouldn't engage in this
as a messaging tool because.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's not helpful to them.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I'm not going to re relitigate, you know, the
Russian collusion nonsense that went on for two years.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Investigations, but nobody, but nobody, but nobody buys that any
attack on Trump isn't anything but political.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Can you believe that Jinsaki is still trying to sell
the Russia collusion? Why live on MSNBC And I give
credit for Chris Nudhu for saying that's not true.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, the Democrat base still believes that. You notice the
language that she uses. It's it's very specific that that
putin intervened in the election? What does that mean exactly?
And what you'd find is that how it translates still
to a large percentage of the Democrat base. You know,
(21:05):
the same Democrats who go on TV to tell us
all the time, you don't accept the results of elections,
while they still live in this fantasy land about twenty sixteen.
Intervention in an election is so broad as to be meaningless,
and this is a tactic of propaganda it's really a
magnification error. Right. So what happens is, you know, I
(21:26):
could take a I could take a bucket of you know,
boiling water and pour it into a swimming pool and say,
I just can't change the temperature of the swimming pool. No,
you didn't. Doesn't do anything. It's way too big, it's
not noticeable, it has no effect whatsoever. What they're saying
is because some Russian bots bought some Facebook ads or something.
(21:49):
I think they said it was, what was it, one
hundred thousand dollars. What they ended up finding, which on Facebook,
is you know, nothing that's so key that that change
the result of the election in some capacity. I mean,
that's it's outrageous. And you also have to remember that
this was all going on at a time when the
FBI was actively trying to undermine a political candidate by
(22:12):
investigating him for the very collusion that did not exist.
But this is a fantasy that they will not let
go because the fantasy of Russia collusion gives the Libs
the imaginary moral high ground because of the imaginary crime
that was committed. Yeah, and you're smart and astute to
point out intervene. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The work that she's trying to use by using the
word intervene there, right, because intervened, to most people out there, implies, oh,
you intervened in a significant way. What she's saying is
Russia intervened in the twenty sixteen election by spending roughly
one hundred thousand dollars on Facebook ads. Now, keep in
(22:52):
mind there were billions of dollars spent, billions of dollars
spent by both candidates Republicans, Democrats, all the political action
committees on the twenty sixteen election. If Russia impacted the
election in any way by the one hundred thousand dollars
they spent, it is the greatest one hundred thousand dollars
(23:14):
spent in the history of American political campaigns. Okay, the
reality is that that is such a pinprick of spending.
And I know a little bit about this because I
ran a media company. You can't really influence anyone in
any kind of significant way on Facebook by spending one
hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You just can't. It's impossible.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And so what she is trying to do there is
claim that it's collusion, first of all, which is still
not true because she's using the word intervene to try
to make that a significant claim.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's right, but a better way I put this forget
about my pool analogy. Think of this in terms of
there is in every national election, and put aside everyone's
feelings on twenty twenty for a second. Here, there's always
some fraud. There's always some fraud that someone and sometimes
it's incidental or meaning someone you know votes in the
(24:05):
wrong they vote in the wrong state, or they you know,
there's always some fraud. There are one hundred and fifty
million ballots that are cast. Is it right if I
were to say, well, you know, we got three people
indicted on double voting in the you know, twenty twelve election,
so that whole election doesn't count. That's effectively what they
(24:26):
do with the Russia collusion lie. They find the basis
for the most minor, the smallest possible thing. Or another
version of this would be you know, Clay have you
ever jaywalked? Yeah, all the time, all the time, Clay Travis.
If I ran around it, if someone ran around saying
Clay Travis is a criminal, he's a criminal. I mean,
(24:47):
it's in the most technical kind of way, somewhat true.
But it's a massive magnification distortion, a magnification error, and
that's that's exactly what they do with Russia collusion. It's
just it's looney tune stuff. But they have not If
anyone thinks they've given up, they have absolutely not given up,
and they have not admitted they were wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Buck, It's funny you mentioned the jaywalking thing. Just by
the way, Ah, that's true. There used to be I
don't know if he's still there. There used to be
a cop on Capitol Hill, and there will be people
who worked in Congress around the two thousand era, and
I don't know how long he kept doing this. He
was the most zealous jaywalking monitor that I've ever seen
(25:27):
in my life. I was an intern on Capitol Hill
when I went to GW Undergrad, and the number of
times that guy stopped me for jaywalking, right, and by
the way, jaywalking is just there's nobody on the street
at all, and you're gonna cross the street to hop
on the DC Metro or whatever. The number of times
that guy stopped me, I bet he stopped me five
or six times. And now eventually went in the office,
(25:48):
I was like, hey, am I am I crazy? Or
is there a Capitol Hill police officer who goes after
jaywalkers the likes of which you have never seen before?
And around two thousand in ninety seven to two thousand.
I bet if you're on Capitol Hill and you're listening
to us right now, you will be like, oh my god,
I totally forgot about this guy. I've never seen a
(26:09):
cop be that committed to keeping people from jaywalking. Buck,
And well, you're looking.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
We're in a maga hat. He might have locked you
up in the goo line.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I mean, yeah, Jan, when I see the Jan six prisoners,
I'm like, there might be a history of Clay Travis
jaywalking violations from around circa ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine,
before the turn of pre turn of the century. Now
as they say it, but that guy was the greatest,
most Looney Tunes jaywalking cop that I have ever seen
(26:39):
in my life. So yes, there may be documented records
of me being a jaywalker.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I am, in that respect, a criminal, A smooth criminal indeed, sir.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I wasn't expecting the Michael Jackson reference. That's gonna be
a Media Matters headline later. Buck Sexton praises TV it
sexual assaulter Michael Jacks' it unthresnded an attack upon American
moral virtue.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I do ask people sometimes, I'm like, do do we
just did we just decide we're not? Because sometimes I'll
hear Michael Jackson songs at a party and I'm like,
is everyone okay with this? Or where are we on this?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, you know, everybody stopped R Kelly, But I think
that was a function of R. Kelly's music wasn't really
that good. I don't think anybody's canceled with Michael Jackson.
I still hear Michael Jackson all the time. It just
didn't work. His music was I always say, buck, as
long as your talent exceeds your problems, you're okay.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Michael Jackson's talent, even with the allegations against him, exceeded
his problems.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Also, he died before he was ever.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Convicted of anything, which is I think also what others
point to. I watched that Finding Neverland doc. That was
a tough watch. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I couldn't get through it. Yeah, I couldn't get through it.
It was just because it was so it was so
hard to watch, and it just was like I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
And also it feels unfair on some level just to me,
when someone dies and they aren't able to defend themselves
at all, and then you come back and just to
viscerate them, and there isn't really anybody there to speak
out in your favor that I watched it. If it's true,
it's awful. But uh but man, that is a uh
(28:15):
a scenario where I think his music's going to go
on just because it's so good, irrespective of what the
artist may have done in his past life.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I also think this is a tough question for the
woke universe out there, because pretty much every artist, if
you go through every aspect of their life, whether it's literature,
whether it's whether you know, painting, whether it's music, they
have something pretty bad, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's targeted, like Coso drive two of his wives to
suicide and was like abusive and horrible. I mean, you
go back, you look at a lot of yeah, bad things.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean, Van Go wasn't exactly a guy that you'd
want to bring home to mom and dad. If you're
if you're out there in the dating universe, right, I mean,
it's almost impossible to find artists who are completely clean,
especially given the air in which we live in today.
I guess what, Getting exercise it's hard. You got a
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Speaker 2 (30:44):
I just really you such an apologist for Michael Jackson.
I mean, when I see this media matters, here're the
one who.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Says this music should be allD on, Settle down, Settle down,
slander machine. You're the one who says the music stays forever. Okay,
I just made a lyric reference. I think his music
is overrated. I think he has a couple of very
good songs, but I think overall, without the medium of MTV,
Michael Jackson doesn't become the superstar that he was at
the time. I think Mikey Jackson and Madonna were made
(31:13):
by MTV. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think Michael Jackson in particular is stud. You can
go all the way back to the Jackson five in
terms of his media matters. Is I mean you got
Valu using the word stud. Is the thing that you've
gotten attacked. We're coming up on the two year anniversary
of the show, by the way, since we took over.
Is the thing you've gotten attacked for the most in
the two years of the show, your Simone Biles take.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bye by lib media. Yeah, not by not by like
people actually listening or any you know, anyone who disagree
with me on something.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
But I mean in oracles that have been written other
than your mask thing in Asheville, North Carolina, but something
you actually said on the show.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
But I was one hundred percent right on that and
everybody knows that. So the only people that disagree with
me on the mask thing or lunatics who can't read
and think. But in terms of the Simone Biles, but
I was still right just putting that out there. It
was the whole thing was so oh, you know, it's amazing.
It's like, no, that's not it's fine. It's fine, but
we don't usually anyway. I know what you're not making, Travis.
(32:15):
You're not bringing me down that pathway again. Buddy, You're
just gonna get all the all the Libs getting all
angry at me, you know, like, oh, let's say you
do a backflip. I'm like, no, I'm a radio host.
I talk. That's what I do. All right? Uh Shiva
in Los Angeles? You're up, shitva? What's going on?
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Hey guys, how are you great?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
How are you? We are good?
Speaker 7 (32:37):
I'm good. So I heard your show.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
First of all, thank you for you know, everything you do.
I'm a former LIB.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Voted for you know, Clinton and Biden, and you guys
have been instrumental in opening up my eyes in the
last couple of years. It was calling because I heard
your show yesterday and you know, you were kind of
disappointed at the Governor of New Hampshire's and you were like,
this is not the time to say we don't want Trump,
(33:03):
and I just wanted to give you a different perspective
on it. I think it's cor cool Is to win
the general election. The general election is going to be
won by Independence and people like me who've switched over.
And I think that if we have fifty five different
people running against Trump, the Trump is is going to
get the thirty five percent and he'll become the nominee
(33:24):
because the rest of the vote, the rest of seventy percent,
will get split between everyone else, and then it's going
to be a lot harder to convince Independence and people
like me to vote for Trump versus voting for like
the Santists or Nikki Haley or someone like that.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
So okay, So I'm fascinated. Sorry to cut you off, Shiva.
Did you vote for Joe Biden in twenty twenty? I did, Okay,
So okay, So unfortunately, no day.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
To welcome to the revolution. We're happy to have you, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So what made you change your mind in the last
two years such that in twenty twenty you were open
for voting for UH for Biden and did it. And also, so,
how old are you and you say you wouldn't vote
for Trump necessarily in twenty four does that mean you
would vote for Biden again if they rematched or you
would just sit out? And what I'm asking how old
(34:11):
you are?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Clear holds. I'm kind of I'm kind of fascinated by this.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'm kind of lady in terms of whether you're speaking
not only for yourself but some of your other friends.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
I am.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
Yeah, So I am thirty nine. I've got two small kids,
and I think the thing that switched, you know, made
me switch over and question everything with COVID. You know,
we have a lot of friends who I have a
lot of friends whose kids were in preschool, who started
preschool at the beginning of COVID, and it was ridiculous
that are like two three year olds has to go
to school with a mask, and like to this day,
(34:44):
we still have to test our kids after every you know,
spring break or whatever. And it's just like, you know,
it started to defy logic at a certain point, and
then the whole like mandating a shot that wasn't even
fully tested, but people who weren't even at a risk.
It just it started to make me question it, and
then the more I looked into it, the more it
didn't make sense. And now a lot of the moms
(35:07):
you know here, especially in LA, are concerned about the
whole gender identity thing in schools, but nobody feels comfortable
talking about it.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Because if you do, you get labeled. You know, you
might not be able to get your kids admitted to
like private schools. You know, you'll just be ostracized whatever,
People will look down on you. So a lot of
people are just kind of going along pretending like they're
okay with it, but like when we talk amongst ourselves,
everyone's outraged. So I feel like the DeSantis thing is
huge for moms for independence. I think, you know, it's
(35:37):
I think that there's a lot of people who are
going to have a problem voting for another, you know,
eighty year old who's going to follow the past.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
So this was an an excellent call. Thank you so
much for sharing. One thing I would say, just in
response to your initial uh, you know, you're you're saying
a different perspective on this new new thing, and I
appreciate you are just giving a different perspective, and that's
totally cool.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I just felt like the way sin who who framed it,
lost sight of the ultimate goal here is to be Biden.
The ultimate goal for any Republican should not be to
make sure Trump is not the ultimate goal to be sure.
So it fell to me like a little bit of
a misapplied focus for somebody who seriously wants to stop
a lot of things that the Democrats are doing to
(36:19):
the country right now of a clay on the totalitarianism point,
or rather the COVID point, which I says totalitarian, I'm hoping.
I'm still hopeful. There are a lot of people out
there who are just like Shiva.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, that's why I'm so fascinated by her perspective. She
called in the only other thing I would have. She
didn't answer if she would still vote Biden in twenty
twenty four, if it was a rematch against Trump, and
how her friends might vote. But it's the thirty nine
year old Ish moms, probably suburban moms, who are going
to decide this election. There are a lot of Shivas
out there.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
How do you win them? That's the question.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we roll through
what is as always a bit of a wild ride
into the world. Every day it feels like things crazy
that you don't necessarily anticipate. We got Chris Christy and
(00:26):
we also have Mike Pence joining the race this week.
We will discuss the impact of what might transpire there.
But we tease this off the top, Buck, and I'm
gonna give you a little bit of a background. I
bet there's a lot of questions about this eight hundred
and two eight two two eight a two. The PGA
(00:46):
and the Live Golf Tour are merging. I would describe
this as blockbuster news that came down about ten am
Eastern this morning. Here's a good question for you, right
off the top, Buck, what percentage of our audience do
you think are golfers? Thirty forty Yeah, thirty percent maybe.
(01:10):
I think it's a pretty high percentage. So I think
there's a lot of you that are fascinated by this story.
For those of you who are not, let me give you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Is that crazy about it's thirty way too high? Or
is that that seems about right? I think right?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Probably, I would think that there is a massive overlap
between this show and golf.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I just if I.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Had to bet on any sport like obviously the NFL's huge.
College football is huge. Football in general in this country
is huge. But if I had to bet, I would
I would put a lot of money on there being
a huge number of you even that are listening to
us right now as you drive to or from the
golf course, as you get out and work on the range.
(01:49):
I would think there is a huge overlap. I know
for a fact that OutKick and the golf universe are
basically one and the same, right, There's just a huge
overlap of people that are interested in golf and also
read out Kick on a regular basis. So Buck, let
me tie it into Trump here off the top.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You and I last year in July.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Were with Trump at Bedminster for the Live Golf event.
I played the Live Golf event there, and let me
give you a little bit. I don't know that I
said this on the show. I stayed at the Live
Golf hotel the night before the Live Golf pro am right.
I played with Brooks Keepka. I nearly killed him with
(02:34):
one of my errant shots. He's lucky to be alive.
I think he's going to be a father now. So
I'm glad I didn't end his bid for fatherhood when
he almost got blindsided by one of my awful shots
out there at Bedminster. But the reason why I bring
this up is the night before the tournament officially got underway,
I was sitting at the bar at the hotel and
(02:55):
all of these you remember this buck, all of these
nine to eleven protesters walked in and they were saying
that anybody who had gone to work at Live wor
taking blood money, that this was unacceptable. And I was
sitting at the bar just having a beer with several
different Live Golf executives and players, and a couple of
(03:16):
these dudes came in and they were like, Oh, you're
you're going to play in this course. Don't you feel
awful for yourself? How could you take blood money? First
of all, I wasn't being paid anything.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I was just.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Playing in the course and we were doing our show
with Trump, and I believe we have audio of PGA
Tour Commissioner Jay Monaghan effectively saying anybody that went to
work for Live was standing alongside of the nine to
eleven terrorists.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Effectively, here's that audio.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Well, I talked to players, I've talked at a player meeting,
and I've talked to a number of players individually for
a long period of time. And I think you'd have
to be living under a rock to not know that
there are significant implications. And as it relates to the
families of nine to eleven, I have two families that
are close to me that lost loved ones, and so
(04:09):
my heart goes out to them. And I would ask,
you know, any player that has left, or any player
that would ever consider leaving, have you ever had to
apologize for being a member of the PGA Tour?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Okay Buck, I mean that's pretty aggressive to say. Basically,
you're turning your back on nine to eleven victims if
you're deciding to play on the Live Tour. Here's what's significant.
There are reports that a guy like Tiger Woods Buck
turned down seven hundred and fifty million dollars to stay
with the PGA Tour. Now the PGA Tour itself, which
(04:45):
tried to keep its players from joining the Live tour
is now in partnership directly with the Saudis themselves. You're
not even a hardcore golf guy or certainly a sports fan,
but that hypocrisy has to even kind to blow your
mind a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Right, money talks, I mean, at the end of the day,
the Saudis are there's really no money like oil money,
because even if let's say the Saudis ran their treasury
down to zero tomorrow, not that that's going to happen,
but they have free money that just comes out of
the ground, and it's money, and it's it's a substance
(05:23):
oil that the entire world needs. The world economy, the
global economy functions only because of hydrocarbons. Despite what all
the lunatic leftists and you see these what is it
like stop oil protesters in the UK's people are They're
they're grasping at at a religion that is rooted in lunacy.
And that's what this climate oil stuff, a climate change
oil hydrocarbon opposition is all about. But bring it back
(05:48):
to the sports side of things. You know, I'm trying
to think of something to say about the PGA tour.
I know nothing about the PGA tour, but I know
that divesting from from Saudi entirely is effectively impossible. I mean,
what is it over twelve thirteen, fourteen percent something like
that of global oil output every day comes from Saudi Arabia.
(06:11):
So unless you want the world to be markedly poorer,
you're doing business with the Saudis. You just don't know it,
because the world economy functions on oil, So I don't
know what you know. I also kind of wonder what
the it's easy for people to talk a big game
about Saudi Arabia. Here's how I can't add to this
conversation because I knew enough. I have never watched a
(06:32):
golf on TV.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Event in my entire lifense. I don't even know how
that's possible. You have never watched any golf tournament it is,
I could think of nothing, you know what. I'm just
not I'm going to hold my opinions back on televised golf.
My dad loves golf, so there are sextons who love
My dad loves golf.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
He's all about it. So I'll just keep this. I'll
keep my golf eyes too. I remember love playing golf.
I'm awful at it, but I'll watch it on TV too.
I really enjoy it. But remember when there was that
that guy who was assassinated by the Saudi you know,
they basically Saudi hit squad and they chopped up the
body and they were saying, you know, Kashogian, Mohammed bin
(07:14):
Salmon was all of a sudden persona non grada. What
are we gonna do? You know what everybody did about
that Democrat and Republican you know what really happened as
a result of that. Nothing? Yeah, nothing. So all the
talk and all the editorials and all the no one
did a damn thing. They use it to blame Trump
because it happened under you know, Trump had nothing to
(07:35):
do with any of it. But they're like, why don't
you just you know, get all get into it with
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. You know why because we
need the oil still, And that's really what it comes
down to you at the end of the day. The
global market needs oil, so we we try. And the
relationship with Saudi Arabia that the US has has been
getting better in recent years, so it's easy to play
(07:57):
to talk tough about the Saudis. But they got a
lot of money, and no one's going to do anything
about the Saudis really, So that's what I see from
a geopolitical side of the Live Golf PGA Merger.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I think we have audio from me talking about this
a year ago. This was on Fox News. My perspective
on this has always been Buck, as long as you
don't lecture me about politics, I don't have any issue
at all with you making money from countries that have
different values than the United States. But when you lecture
me as many athletes do, and as the PGA tried
(08:31):
to do, Oh how dare you take Saudi money and
meanwhile you got the NBA making money from China Chinese money.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, of course that's what I'm saying. The whole thing
is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And I'll also point out that there was way more
criticism of these golfers for interacting with Saudi Arabia than
Buck there was for Joe Biden. Remember last year he
went to Saudi Arabia and begged for more oil because
oil prices were so high last summer. Here's an audio
clip of that discussion, I believe from last year on
Fox News. Ultimately, as the Live tour continues to grow
(09:07):
and as the PGA Tour shrinks, this is going to
turn into a legitimate battle royale between these two big
golf entities.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I think the Live Tour.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Given their backing from the Saudis, they have money to
be able to go for a long time. Eventually, the
PGA and the Live Tour are going to have to
sue for peace. It's going to be like the AFL
and the NFL. For those people out there who remember
when the NFL had a charging league, challenging league and
ended up merging together.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
That was a year ago. That is perfect.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Can we get that clip so I could share it
too on social because I couldn't find it myself. Good
job by the staff. Trump also built on this and
made the same prediction. He ended up being one hundred
percent right. That is now echoing around. But Buck, I
think what is so interesting about this is this is
part of the larger global behem at the going on.
(10:01):
And I would even tie it into bud Light. I
would tie it into Target. There's a good article up
Bobby Barracket out Kick wrote it. You know everybody changes
all these big companies. Buck changed their logo for Pride
Month for their United States based branding the same companies
that do business in other parts of the world. They
(10:21):
have the same Twitter account, but it's like, I don't
know Anheuser Busch Mideast or something, right, just throwing it
out there. They never change the logo, so the same
these multinational businesses make no mistake that they are selling
artificial bills of good to you when they say, oh,
we're all about pride. The NBA is a great example.
You know, the NBA is going to do a game
(10:43):
buck in the UAE where if you are found to
be gay, do you know what they can do? They
can behead you. So the NBA lectures all of us
and they wag their fingers in They're like, how dare
there be a transgender bathroom bill? And then they go
take the money of the UAE where if you just
are gay, you're allowed to be beheaded. This corporate bs Again.
(11:04):
If your goal is just hey, we're gonna make as
much money, will follow the laws everywhere we can do business,
I get it, but the hypocrisy on this is staggering.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, China is also a much bigger concern for America's future.
It's safety, it's pre eminence than Saudi Arabia is it's
not even close. I mean by a factor of one hundred.
And the Saudis provide the world with with with oil effectively,
and there was a period there where a lot of
(11:34):
the and this is now bringing me back to the
old days, a lot of the Wahabism and Islamic radicalism
jihadism was funded by Saudi oil money, and that obviously
ties directly into nine to eleven. And I understand why
there's why there's still a lot of anger because there
really was never any Saudi accountability for that. In fact,
there's still to this day some classified stuff around Saudi
(11:58):
knowledge of or any any complicity in by any Saudi
official what happened on nine elevens. I'm very aware of
all of that. But you also have to deal with
the world as it is today and what have we
seen with Russia. With Russia, we tried to take a
moral stance. And people will argue that Ukraine is a
(12:21):
geopolitical win for us or something if we help it,
But really it's a moral stance that the Biden administration
has taken, which is Russia is bad, Russia invaded, we
have to help Ukraine, and we're going to attack them economically.
What we found out is that when you have a
whole lot of natural gas, a whole lot of oil,
a whole lot of fertilizer, a number of inputs that
(12:43):
the global economy needs, it's going to get it. You're
going to sell it. People are going to buy it
from you, and so we need to be realistic about
what's possible and what's not when you're talking about boycotts.
But the perfect example is always any anything that is
woke in corporate America that is doing business in China.
(13:05):
They're always like, well, I can't say anything about China
because that would really hurt my profits over there. But
you know, here, I'm really really brave. The NBA is
probably the most obvious and pathetic example of this, but
there are many others as well, Disney and so many
companies out there, so you know, maybe, uh, maybe I'll
be watching my first Well are they going to change
the name or is it going to stay as the
(13:25):
PGA do we know? It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I think a lot of the I think it's still
going to be the PGA Tour, But it's a great
question that there doesn't seem to be a lot of
definite knowledge. I mean, they went on CNBC, but it's
it's always when they do these mergers, you know, they
end up like the PGA Tour presented by Live Golf,
you know, like they tried.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I was going to say the PGA Tour sponsored by
Saudi Ramco whatever. Yeah. Yeah, So you know, we'll see,
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in to Clay and Buck. An important update. An important update.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
I am the voice of the DM Brigade here to
Clay because he was he was talking some rough stuff
to some of the DM tipsters from it was you know,
he was throwing bud lights around.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He was saying, who wants one? I was saying, hold
on a second, buddy, hold on a second, Clay share
the update. Let's be fair minded. What did your DM
tipsters tell you in response to you calling them out?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So first hour we were making fun of the fact
that Joybayhar was not on with Tim Scott when Tim
Scott lacerated the view yesterday. We played that clip for.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
You, and I stand by the analysis even with but
keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And a bunch of people jumped in my dms, and
I have open dms, so.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I will scroll through a lot of times. I don't click.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But like I said, a lot of the dms I
get not going to surprise you are from woke left
wing people who want to attack me. But occasionally I
get good tips and it's fast.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I've never in my whole life, because I wasn't always
in media, you know, I was a normal you know,
like everyday guy, well Cia, but whatever is you know,
doing the normal stuff. I've never written an angry message
or email to a stranger in my life. I don't
understand these hateful things now. It is.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It is a really I don't know what percentage of
people do it, but I would say maybe five to
ten percent of the American public. Is the kind of
person who would send an angry email or tweet or whatever,
because I do think it's a small minority, because I
think most people are busy and don't have time to
lash out at strangers over things that that that you
(17:05):
know that they're upset by. But I have open dms
because sometimes we get tips on stories. Sometimes people reach
out and otherwise wouldn't be able to get in touch
with me. Okay, So I made fun of how many
people were reaching out and say enjoy behar was.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Off to a word Buck, and I give them credit.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Almost every single one of those guys immediately responded, we
appreciate you listening to the show and said, hey, I
only know it because I watched Gut Film last night
and they made a big, a big to do about
the fact that Joy was not on.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So Gutt felt great show. Buck and I both enjoyed
doing it.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So I will rescind my criticism of all of your masculinity.
You don't drink bud lights, you.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Do have do we go Mickel? What's the what's the
upgraded beer? Clay? Oh, I'm a Guinness guy.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I really like Guinness and also my beer Gratis, which
is available in Tennessee and I would encourage you guys
to try that too.
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
Travis buck Sexton Show appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. Yesterday we talked about christ Un Nunu, current
governor of New Hampshire, and the way that he announced
that he was not going to be going after the
twenty twenty four nomination in the Republican primary. He announced
with both CNN and the Washington Post, and then he
(19:22):
continued his tour of left wing media outlets by going
on with Jensaki on MSNBC. Now, we said, all these
people hate us, They're not going to be friendly, they're
not going to be fair, and not surprisingly, Jensaki tried
to argue that Russia collusion happened in twenty sixteen. But
I wanted to give credit to Kristun Nunu for pushing
(19:44):
back against that lie yesterday on MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Here's what it sounded like.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You've all created a situation where, God, what what kind
of planet are we own?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Where Donald Trump's become the victim. Well, I think nobody believes,
it believes.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
We know.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I have to stop you on there, because we know
very clearly that Putin and the Kremlin did intervene in
our election in order to try to help Donald Trump
back in twenty sixteen, so we know that is true,
but you may think that they shouldn't engage in this
as a messaging tool because.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's not helpful to them.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I'm not going to re relitigate, you know, the
Russian collusion nonsense that went on for two years.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Investigations, but nobody, but nobody, but nobody buys that any
attack on Trump isn't anything but political.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Can you believe that Jinsaki is still trying to sell
the Russia collusion? Why live on MSNBC And I give
credit for Chris Nudhu for saying that's not true.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, the Democrat base still believes that. You notice the
language that she uses. It's it's very specific that that
putin intervened in the election? What does that mean exactly?
And what you'd find is that how it translates still
to a large percentage of the Democrat base. You know,
(21:05):
the same Democrats who go on TV to tell us
all the time, you don't accept the results of elections,
while they still live in this fantasy land about twenty sixteen.
Intervention in an election is so broad as to be meaningless,
and this is a tactic of propaganda it's really a
magnification error. Right. So what happens is, you know, I
(21:26):
could take a I could take a bucket of you know,
boiling water and pour it into a swimming pool and say,
I just can't change the temperature of the swimming pool. No,
you didn't. Doesn't do anything. It's way too big, it's
not noticeable, it has no effect whatsoever. What they're saying
is because some Russian bots bought some Facebook ads or something.
(21:49):
I think they said it was, what was it, one
hundred thousand dollars. What they ended up finding, which on Facebook,
is you know, nothing that's so key that that change
the result of the election in some capacity. I mean,
that's it's outrageous. And you also have to remember that
this was all going on at a time when the
FBI was actively trying to undermine a political candidate by
(22:12):
investigating him for the very collusion that did not exist.
But this is a fantasy that they will not let
go because the fantasy of Russia collusion gives the Libs
the imaginary moral high ground because of the imaginary crime
that was committed. Yeah, and you're smart and astute to
point out intervene. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The work that she's trying to use by using the
word intervene there, right, because intervened, to most people out there, implies, oh,
you intervened in a significant way. What she's saying is
Russia intervened in the twenty sixteen election by spending roughly
one hundred thousand dollars on Facebook ads. Now, keep in
(22:52):
mind there were billions of dollars spent, billions of dollars
spent by both candidates Republicans, Democrats, all the political action
committees on the twenty sixteen election. If Russia impacted the
election in any way by the one hundred thousand dollars
they spent, it is the greatest one hundred thousand dollars
(23:14):
spent in the history of American political campaigns. Okay, the
reality is that that is such a pinprick of spending.
And I know a little bit about this because I
ran a media company. You can't really influence anyone in
any kind of significant way on Facebook by spending one
hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You just can't. It's impossible.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And so what she is trying to do there is
claim that it's collusion, first of all, which is still
not true because she's using the word intervene to try
to make that a significant claim.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's right, but a better way I put this forget
about my pool analogy. Think of this in terms of
there is in every national election, and put aside everyone's
feelings on twenty twenty for a second. Here, there's always
some fraud. There's always some fraud that someone and sometimes
it's incidental or meaning someone you know votes in the
(24:05):
wrong they vote in the wrong state, or they you know,
there's always some fraud. There are one hundred and fifty
million ballots that are cast. Is it right if I
were to say, well, you know, we got three people
indicted on double voting in the you know, twenty twelve election,
so that whole election doesn't count. That's effectively what they
(24:26):
do with the Russia collusion lie. They find the basis
for the most minor, the smallest possible thing. Or another
version of this would be you know, Clay have you
ever jaywalked? Yeah, all the time, all the time, Clay Travis.
If I ran around it, if someone ran around saying
Clay Travis is a criminal, he's a criminal. I mean,
(24:47):
it's in the most technical kind of way, somewhat true.
But it's a massive magnification distortion, a magnification error, and
that's that's exactly what they do with Russia collusion. It's
just it's looney tune stuff. But they have not If
anyone thinks they've given up, they have absolutely not given up,
and they have not admitted they were wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Buck, It's funny you mentioned the jaywalking thing. Just by
the way, Ah, that's true. There used to be I
don't know if he's still there. There used to be
a cop on Capitol Hill, and there will be people
who worked in Congress around the two thousand era, and
I don't know how long he kept doing this. He
was the most zealous jaywalking monitor that I've ever seen
(25:27):
in my life. I was an intern on Capitol Hill
when I went to GW Undergrad, and the number of
times that guy stopped me for jaywalking, right, and by
the way, jaywalking is just there's nobody on the street
at all, and you're gonna cross the street to hop
on the DC Metro or whatever. The number of times
that guy stopped me, I bet he stopped me five
or six times. And now eventually went in the office,
(25:48):
I was like, hey, am I am I crazy? Or
is there a Capitol Hill police officer who goes after
jaywalkers the likes of which you have never seen before?
And around two thousand in ninety seven to two thousand.
I bet if you're on Capitol Hill and you're listening
to us right now, you will be like, oh my god,
I totally forgot about this guy. I've never seen a
(26:09):
cop be that committed to keeping people from jaywalking. Buck,
And well, you're looking.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
We're in a maga hat. He might have locked you
up in the goo line.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I mean, yeah, Jan, when I see the Jan six prisoners,
I'm like, there might be a history of Clay Travis
jaywalking violations from around circa ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine,
before the turn of pre turn of the century. Now
as they say it, but that guy was the greatest,
most Looney Tunes jaywalking cop that I have ever seen
(26:39):
in my life. So yes, there may be documented records
of me being a jaywalker.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I am, in that respect, a criminal, A smooth criminal indeed, sir.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I wasn't expecting the Michael Jackson reference. That's gonna be
a Media Matters headline later. Buck Sexton praises TV it
sexual assaulter Michael Jacks' it unthresnded an attack upon American
moral virtue.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I do ask people sometimes, I'm like, do do we
just did we just decide we're not? Because sometimes I'll
hear Michael Jackson songs at a party and I'm like,
is everyone okay with this? Or where are we on this?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, you know, everybody stopped R Kelly, But I think
that was a function of R. Kelly's music wasn't really
that good. I don't think anybody's canceled with Michael Jackson.
I still hear Michael Jackson all the time. It just
didn't work. His music was I always say, buck, as
long as your talent exceeds your problems, you're okay.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Michael Jackson's talent, even with the allegations against him, exceeded
his problems.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Also, he died before he was ever.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Convicted of anything, which is I think also what others
point to. I watched that Finding Neverland doc. That was
a tough watch. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I couldn't get through it. Yeah, I couldn't get through it.
It was just because it was so it was so
hard to watch, and it just was like I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
And also it feels unfair on some level just to me,
when someone dies and they aren't able to defend themselves
at all, and then you come back and just to
viscerate them, and there isn't really anybody there to speak
out in your favor that I watched it. If it's true,
it's awful. But uh but man, that is a uh
(28:15):
a scenario where I think his music's going to go
on just because it's so good, irrespective of what the
artist may have done in his past life.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I also think this is a tough question for the
woke universe out there, because pretty much every artist, if
you go through every aspect of their life, whether it's literature,
whether it's whether you know, painting, whether it's music, they
have something pretty bad, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's targeted, like Coso drive two of his wives to
suicide and was like abusive and horrible. I mean, you
go back, you look at a lot of yeah, bad things.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean, Van Go wasn't exactly a guy that you'd
want to bring home to mom and dad. If you're
if you're out there in the dating universe, right, I mean,
it's almost impossible to find artists who are completely clean,
especially given the air in which we live in today.
I guess what, Getting exercise it's hard. You got a
lot going on, but I'm making time for it. I
have a little bit of the sortness to prove it.
(29:09):
And in particular, you know what I was doing this morning,
I was boxing. And you know when I box, I
like to go. I go nine rounds twenty seven minutes straight,
don't take a break. But you know what happens. My
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Speaker 2 (30:44):
I just really you such an apologist for Michael Jackson.
I mean, when I see this media matters, here're the
one who.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Says this music should be allD on, Settle down, Settle down,
slander machine. You're the one who says the music stays forever. Okay,
I just made a lyric reference. I think his music
is overrated. I think he has a couple of very
good songs, but I think overall, without the medium of MTV,
Michael Jackson doesn't become the superstar that he was at
the time. I think Mikey Jackson and Madonna were made
(31:13):
by MTV. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think Michael Jackson in particular is stud. You can
go all the way back to the Jackson five in
terms of his media matters. Is I mean you got
Valu using the word stud. Is the thing that you've
gotten attacked. We're coming up on the two year anniversary
of the show, by the way, since we took over.
Is the thing you've gotten attacked for the most in
the two years of the show, your Simone Biles take.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bye by lib media. Yeah, not by not by like
people actually listening or any you know, anyone who disagree
with me on something.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
But I mean in oracles that have been written other
than your mask thing in Asheville, North Carolina, but something
you actually said on the show.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
But I was one hundred percent right on that and
everybody knows that. So the only people that disagree with
me on the mask thing or lunatics who can't read
and think. But in terms of the Simone Biles, but
I was still right just putting that out there. It
was the whole thing was so oh, you know, it's amazing.
It's like, no, that's not it's fine. It's fine, but
we don't usually anyway. I know what you're not making, Travis.
(32:15):
You're not bringing me down that pathway again. Buddy, You're
just gonna get all the all the Libs getting all
angry at me, you know, like, oh, let's say you
do a backflip. I'm like, no, I'm a radio host.
I talk. That's what I do. All right? Uh Shiva
in Los Angeles? You're up, shitva? What's going on?
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Hey guys, how are you great?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
How are you? We are good?
Speaker 7 (32:37):
I'm good. So I heard your show.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
First of all, thank you for you know, everything you do.
I'm a former LIB.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Voted for you know, Clinton and Biden, and you guys
have been instrumental in opening up my eyes in the
last couple of years. It was calling because I heard
your show yesterday and you know, you were kind of
disappointed at the Governor of New Hampshire's and you were like,
this is not the time to say we don't want Trump,
(33:03):
and I just wanted to give you a different perspective
on it. I think it's cor cool Is to win
the general election. The general election is going to be
won by Independence and people like me who've switched over.
And I think that if we have fifty five different
people running against Trump, the Trump is is going to
get the thirty five percent and he'll become the nominee
(33:24):
because the rest of the vote, the rest of seventy percent,
will get split between everyone else, and then it's going
to be a lot harder to convince Independence and people
like me to vote for Trump versus voting for like
the Santists or Nikki Haley or someone like that.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
So okay, So I'm fascinated. Sorry to cut you off, Shiva.
Did you vote for Joe Biden in twenty twenty? I did, Okay,
So okay, So unfortunately, no day.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
To welcome to the revolution. We're happy to have you, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So what made you change your mind in the last
two years such that in twenty twenty you were open
for voting for UH for Biden and did it. And also, so,
how old are you and you say you wouldn't vote
for Trump necessarily in twenty four does that mean you
would vote for Biden again if they rematched or you
would just sit out? And what I'm asking how old
(34:11):
you are?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Clear holds. I'm kind of I'm kind of fascinated by this.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'm kind of lady in terms of whether you're speaking
not only for yourself but some of your other friends.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
I am.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
Yeah, So I am thirty nine. I've got two small kids,
and I think the thing that switched, you know, made
me switch over and question everything with COVID. You know,
we have a lot of friends who I have a
lot of friends whose kids were in preschool, who started
preschool at the beginning of COVID, and it was ridiculous
that are like two three year olds has to go
to school with a mask, and like to this day,
(34:44):
we still have to test our kids after every you know,
spring break or whatever. And it's just like, you know,
it started to defy logic at a certain point, and
then the whole like mandating a shot that wasn't even
fully tested, but people who weren't even at a risk.
It just it started to make me question it, and
then the more I looked into it, the more it
didn't make sense. And now a lot of the moms
(35:07):
you know here, especially in LA, are concerned about the
whole gender identity thing in schools, but nobody feels comfortable
talking about it.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Because if you do, you get labeled. You know, you
might not be able to get your kids admitted to
like private schools. You know, you'll just be ostracized whatever,
People will look down on you. So a lot of
people are just kind of going along pretending like they're
okay with it, but like when we talk amongst ourselves,
everyone's outraged. So I feel like the DeSantis thing is
huge for moms for independence. I think, you know, it's
(35:37):
I think that there's a lot of people who are
going to have a problem voting for another, you know,
eighty year old who's going to follow the past.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
So this was an an excellent call. Thank you so
much for sharing. One thing I would say, just in
response to your initial uh, you know, you're you're saying
a different perspective on this new new thing, and I
appreciate you are just giving a different perspective, and that's
totally cool.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I just felt like the way sin who who framed it,
lost sight of the ultimate goal here is to be Biden.
The ultimate goal for any Republican should not be to
make sure Trump is not the ultimate goal to be sure.
So it fell to me like a little bit of
a misapplied focus for somebody who seriously wants to stop
a lot of things that the Democrats are doing to
(36:19):
the country right now of a clay on the totalitarianism point,
or rather the COVID point, which I says totalitarian, I'm hoping.
I'm still hopeful. There are a lot of people out
there who are just like Shiva.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, that's why I'm so fascinated by her perspective. She
called in the only other thing I would have. She
didn't answer if she would still vote Biden in twenty
twenty four, if it was a rematch against Trump, and
how her friends might vote. But it's the thirty nine
year old Ish moms, probably suburban moms, who are going
to decide this election. There are a lot of Shivas
out there.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
How do you win them? That's the question.
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