September 29, 2023 • 36 mins
Arrest made in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur. Clay remembers seeing President Reagan at Disney World as a child. DNC rigged the 2020 primary for Biden, RNC should flex muscle and get rid of candidates with no chance. Clay takes a call. North Dakota Governor and presidential candidate Doug Burgum joins Clay to discuss his solid debate performance, introduce himself further to the audience. Burgum's private-sector experience is appealing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Out number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Buck in the process
of moving into a new place in South Florida. He'll
be back with me on Monday, but for Friday, as
we roll into the weekend, he is engaged in the
moving process with his lovely wife Carrie, and I bet,
I'll bet, in fact, I know that he would much
(00:28):
rather be here because he was not excited about the
moving process. But he'll be back with us on Monday.
A lot to get into here in the next couple
hours of the program, but I wanted to hit you
with this news that's just dropped in the last twenty
some odd minutes. And this is a long running unsolved mystery,
murder mystery Las Vegas. I'm reading from the Associated Press.
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Las Vegas police have made an arrest for the very
first time in the nineteen ninety six killing of rapper
Tupac Shakur. A person with and I'm reading from the AP.
A person with firsthand knowledge of the arrest told the
Associated Press Dwayne Davis was taken into custody Friday morning,
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says Davis is the uncle of the suspected shooter. This
is according to the AP, and has long been linked
to the investigation. The arrest comes two months after Las
Vegas police searched a home tied to Davis. Tupac Shakur
just twenty five years old when he was gunned down
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in a drive by shooting near the Las Vegas Strip
has now been twenty seven years ago. And if I
remember correctly, and I think I am right about this,
I think he was shot in the immediate aftermath. A
lot of you will remember this and staff correct me
if I'm wrong on the date here. I think he
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was shot after the Mike Tyson of Vander H. Holy
Field ear biting fight. If you remember that crazy fight
back in the day when Mike Tyson spit out his
mouthpiece and bit Evander Holyfield's ear. I believe that happened
in nineteen ninety six in Las Vegas, and Tupac Shakur
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was shot in the aftermath of that fight. All the
celebrities were out to watch that boxing match. I think
I'm correct in that. I know it was in the
aftermath of a boxing match, I believe, but if the
staff can correct me on that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
But that is big news.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't know how many of you are paying a
lot of attention to that story or were familiar with it,
But an unsolved murder, probably one of the most famous
unsolved murders in current American history, potentially someone being charged
with that crime. We got a couple of good calls
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there as we were going into the break at the
end of the first hour, and it reminded me of
something that I think is important. Do you remember how
Joe Biden ended up the nominee in twenty twenty. There's
so much chaos that happened in twenty twenty, starting in
(03:17):
March when COVID shutdowns and everything else happened, that I
feel like a lot of the twenty twenty Democrat primary
race has been kind of ignored because so much attention
then flowed in on the COVID response and all the
chaos associated with that. But I want to take you
(03:40):
back in time. I want to take you back in
time to the winter of twenty twenty, before Joe Biden
was the presumptive nominee.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
He was getting smoked in the Democrat race.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Joe Biden came in and the staff can also look
up on this. I think it was sixth in Iowa
and fifth in New Hampshire, or vice versa. He didn't
just get beat he got slaughtered in both those places.
The two states where voters get to know the candidates
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the best, where you have to travel around all ninety
nine counties, where you have to go to all the
different diners. In New Hampshire, where voters can legitimately say,
sometimes you'll see quotes like this. We'll say, hey, how
are you leaning Iowa? New Hampshire, And they can legitimately say,
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in those states, if you're really politically active, I haven't
decided yet. I've only met the candidate a couple of
times so far.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Most people, in our entire lives, we never get to
meet someone face to face. Whoever runs for president, right
they're three hundred and forty million, three hundred and thirty million,
whatever the heck it is. There are millions of you
listening right now. Most people, if you get to see
the president at some point in time, it's a really
(05:14):
big deal. I went to George Washington University every now
and then the motorcade for the president because I'm in Washington,
d C. Would come running by. At that point in time,
it was Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were the presidents.
If you just got to see the president drive by
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and you could say I saw him with my own eyes,
it was a big deal. And I know a lot
of you out there listening they are like, yeah, I
getting to see a president with my own eyes a
big deal. I remember when I was a little kid,
I think it was nineteen eighty four or thereabouts, Ronald
Reagan came to Epcot down at Disney World. And this
(06:00):
was before Disney had lost its mind. I don't even
know that they would let Donald Trump go to Disney World.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Right now, I can't.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Believe I could say that, Like, if Donald Trump was like, hey,
I want to go to Epcot and do a rally
and speak, There's no way Disney would let him do it, right,
Am I crazy?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You know?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They wouldn't let him do it. I'm surprised they still
have him in the Hall of Presidents. So, but back then,
before Disney World had gone woke, before everybody had lost
their mind, Ronald Reagan president of the United States. He's
doing a speech at Epcot, and my mom's probably listening.
She can correct me if I'm wrong about this. I
think I was five years old. There was a huge
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rope line. It is probably one hundred and eighty degrees
that day in Florida, because, believe it or not, even
before global warming, it was hot in Florida. It's one
hundred and eighty degrees. I'm in like knee socks, those
little tiny Adidas short shorts that kids used to wear
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back in the day. They may be popular again. I
think they will be soon. And I'm tiny. I'm four
or five years old, and as a result, I'm able
to go all the way to the front rope line
at Epcot nineteen eighty four, and Ronald Reagan is going
to come by in the presidential limo and they have
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a parade, and it's so hot that day that I
remember they had. I think it was majorrettes. Is it
a major at who twirls the batons? I think they're
still called major etes. Hopefully that's not offensive term. Now
they probably have, you know, trans baton twirlers now who
are really impressive. But back then, majorats girls they twirl
the baton. Major att is standing there. They're all standing
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waiting for Ronald Reagan to come by. It's so hot
that the girls start falling out. I remember, four or
five years old, standing there. The girls are falling down.
They have people coming around in these little with these
little paper cups. It's one hundred and eighty degrees. Everybody
is so excited at the idea that you could see
the President of the United States, that people are legitimately
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falling down at Epcot president comes rolling by. I still
remember how incredible that moment is. Even as a four
or five year old kid. That was the very first
time that I had ever seen the president, and I
couldn't believe that I had gotten to see him with
my own eyes. So most people getting to see the
president say nothing of shake his hand, get a picture.
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Getting to see the president is for most people an
incredible achievement in person your own eyes. The people who
saw Joe Biden the most in twenty twenty, voters in
Iowa and voters in New Hampshire, they put him in
fifth or sixth place. They said, we have seen this
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guy so many times that there is no way that
this could ever be the president of the United States.
Don't dismiss What then happened Number one, Bernie Sanders. Do
you remember after New Hampshire what that looked like. Bernie
(09:13):
Sanders was in first place. Do you know who was
in second place? Mayor Pete was in second place, and
the Democrat power brokers just said, nah, h Bernie's gonna lose.
He's a socialist, Mayor Pete. There's no way people are
(09:35):
voting for him. He's a gay white dude. They won't
even talk about it in the Democrat Party. But the
reality is, black guys aren't voting for a gay white dude.
They won't even mention it. Black dudes aren't voting for
a gay white guy. Mayor Pete has a zero percent
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chance of ever being elected President of the United States.
I honestly mean this. I don't think it's possible that
it could happen in my life now. Maybe thirty years
from now, black dudes are going to be like, Okay,
I'm okay voting for a gay white guy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They won't mention it, they won't explain it, but they
just said, yeah, he's not happening. Elizabeth Warren was too
old and also too much of a socialist. She was
kind of like Bernie, except with longer hair, and so
Pocahontas also with the major Native American connection. You would think,
given identity politics, that Pocahontas Warren would have been like
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a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I mean, she's got every Native American pow wow chow books,
she wrote everything. So they just said.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Joe Biden is our guy, boom, and they made the choice.
The reason why I bring all this up is Democrats
play to win. That's all they care about. They are nasty,
you have to admire it. They just said, old socialist, Sorry, Bernie,
you're done. Gay white dude, you're done, old white guy.
(11:08):
Joe Biden, you're our choice. James Clyburn said, everybody, go
vote for him. They all went and voted for him.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It was over.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I was thinking about this in the wake of Wednesday.
Who in the Republican Party has the balls to actually
do something like that. Surely Trump has the balls, that's
why he's popular, right, But what the Republican Party should
actually do is say, Okay, Mike Pence, you're done. Chris Christy,
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you're done. You had your time on the stage. There's
a zero percent chance that you are going to be
the nominee. Let's have an actual fistfight here between. There's
really three people, and we're gonna talk to Doug Bergham next.
And I thought he was great on the stage on
Wednesday night. I don't think Doug Burgham has a chance
(12:02):
to be the nominee. I really like him. I like
the business background. I like the fact that he is
governing and actually getting things done in North Dakota.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's what I would like to see in a president.
I don't think he has any chance.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Democrats just wiped out their guys that didn't have any
chance and decided Joe Biden was the choice and they won.
Is anybody in the Republican Party going to make any
of these other dudes who have no chance drop out
and actually figure out who the nominee is going to be?
At this point in time, and my always humble opinion,
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there are three people who could win the Republican nomination,
Donald Trump, who is the favorite, Ron DeSantis, and Nicki Haley.
Everybody else should be out of the race. Let those
three fight it out. Trump would still be the favorite,
but you need to end up with the best possible
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candidate that allows you to win.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Democrats, they do it. Republicans. It's a lot of people
that don't actually make anything happen. And I just want
you to think about what Democrats did in twenty twenty
to grab power, and think about what they're doing to
Trump now to try to grab power, and ask yourself this,
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do Republicans actually want to win?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Or do they just want to be nice? I think
we got too many nice people. I want to kick ass.
I want my opponents to cry. In sports, you don't
sit around and say, man, I hope we can win
by a field goal if everything goes perfect. Seems like
to me, Republicans every election hope that everything goes perfect
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and they win by a field goal. I want to
crush my opponents. I want to beat them by fifty.
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That is two. I bet that's the first time Tupac
has ever been played on this program. This is Tupac
probably Tupac's most famous song. Kill that twenty five years old.
If you just got in your car and you're like,
why in the world how did that?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
They have arrested the potential murderer of Tupac and I
wanted to clean up a couple. I was a little
bit off on the on the event that Tupac was attending.
I thought it was the Mike Tyson Evander Holyfield earbiting fight.
I don't even remember this dude, but he was there
for a Mike Tyson fight.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
But Tyson was fighting.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Bruce Selden, So it was in the aftermath of a
Mike Tyson fight, but not the Mike Tyson fight that
I thought. My mom also texted me and said, my
recollection of Epcot.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And Ronald Reagan is correct. Can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
If Trump asked to deliver a speech at Disney World.
The Trump people, a lot of them listen make the request.
I don't think they would let him. I don't think
they would. Let you think about that. Ronald Reagan doing
an event at Epcot feels very American. He's delivering a
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speech nineteen eighties. I don't think Disney World would allow
Donald Trump to deliver a speech at one of their
themed parks today. That's even if you were president of
the United States. I think they would disallow it. I'd
never really thought about it before, but I mean, that's
kind of evidence of how much as a country we
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have turned into tribal craziness. That the President of the
United States couldn't even speak at Epcot. I mean, it's
pretty wild to think about. Uh, let's see Tyler in Colorado.
What you got for us?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
First of all, really really appreciate your show. It's one
of those few time of the day, would I had
get some hope going to in uh I was. I
totally agree with everything you said about what the Democrats
did in twenty twenty, except also I think that they
knew that they had all of the traps laid so
that they could legally ballot harvest. And then of course
(17:15):
there's the media influence. But anyway, I'll hang up and listen.
But I just wanted to say thank you first of all,
and add that I don't I have a fear for
twenty four that you know, the Republicans say they just
stay in there, the chairman stays in the hotel room,
and doesn't We've got to do the lea what we
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a bigger voat turn out.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Thank you, I agree, and I've talked to a lot
of people in positions of power. Figure out what the
Democrats did to put John Fetterman in office. John Fetterman
doesn't deserve to be there. He can't do the job.
Got to replicate it, though, figure out what they did,
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Buck is out moving today.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
He will be back with us on Monday.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm joined now by North Dakota Governor, who did really well,
I thought on the stage on Wednesday, Doug Bergham, Governor.
What has the reaction been from Wednesday's debate so far?
As you can tell.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Well, first of all, Clay, great to be on with you.
But while the reaction has been terrific, I think people
are like I do things, which is, this guy's got
a lot to say about economy, energy and national security.
And then the second thing they're saying is, you know,
why was Spock's News trying to shut him down, threatening
to cut off his microphone because he's got something out
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to the conversation.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So before we get into Wednesday, the first debate, I
don't know that I know the full story. You were
playing basketball with your with your staff and you injured yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
How, what's the what?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That was one of the most amazing things I thought
to happen before the Milwaukee debate.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I don't know what you had.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Spent on running for election, but getting injured playing pickup
basketball was probably the one thing on the on the
board that you did not have contemplation.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
What happened there?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Well, first of all, I've played basketball my entire life,
and I've been blessed with having I've got enormous gratitude
for my legs. I mean, between you know, marathons, ten
k's basketball, thirty five years of organized softball, all the
stuff I've done barefoot, water skating, climbing mountains, never had
a knee or ankle injury. So, hey, we're in Milwaukee,
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the Bates at the Bucks Stadium. We've got Marquette basketball powerhouse,
and they're like, we're going to get a chance to
go place shoot some hoops over at Marquette. I'm like,
I'm in over over there, and you know, and went
from you know, shooting around a horse to hey, let's
play some pickup a little more competitive and then got
going anyway, I've ended up blowing my achilles. It completely
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ruptured it. And this is like twenty eight hours before
the debate. So I don't know if you heard it
in the first debate.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I was.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It was named the best presidential debate performance ever by
an individual standing on one leg.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So all on, what's your staff's reaction when you go
down and you're like, I think I tore my achill? Like,
could you tell immediately did you feel a pop? I mean,
this feels like something that would happen in a television show,
because I can only imagine your staff. Did anybody like
bump into you, did anybody try to challenge a shot?
Was it non contact? I got to know how this happened.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Well, you know, having played ball my whole life and
having to do some really fun peak experience, like going
to the Michael Jordan basketball camp in nineteen ninety eight
right after he won his six championship. My coaches there
were Dean Smith and John Thompson.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I mean that as bad ass. That is awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, it's been a great sport. But I three times
in my career having played you know, organized league ball,
you know, winning state tournament tournaments for the you know
under thirty, over thirty, over fifty, all this stuff. I
three times I've been on the court when people blown
their achilles. Each time they went down, no one was
near him. Each time they were on the floor, and
they said, somebody kicked me. Who kicked me?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
And I went down. I went down. I was trying
to break the other guy's ankles put on a move, boom,
I go down and they said what. The first thing
I said was who kicked me? Yeah? And I heard
myself say that. And then they said did you sprain
your ankle? And I said no, I ruptured my achilles
And they're like, no, you didn't, No, you didn't. You're okay,
walk it off, walk it off until I ruptured my achilles.
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And they're like, how do you know? I mean, because
this is apparently what people say when they rupture their achilles.
And now when you have it and then it's national news,
not quite like Aaron Rodgers, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah what did you think when you saw Aaron Rodgers?
I mean that had to be like, I mean, I
imagine your recovery process while you're on the on the
trail is super difficult as well.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah it is. And then somebody showed me the close
up video of you could actually see the ripple in
the sock, and I kind of turned my stomach a
little bit. So I only watched that once. But yeah,
that's exactly what it feels. It feels like a little
bit like someone just took a hatchet and hitting the
back of the calf when you weren't looking. But anyway,
we're we you know, we's have a phrase in North
Dakota cowboy up. I mean at twenty four hours and
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people said, oh, you're not gonna be able to stand
up there for two hours, and I said, I got
one good leg I could do that. So that's what
we did on the first one, but this one was
a lot more fun because I was not in extreme
pain like I was staring the first debate.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So here's what I love about what I have been
able to clean from you so far.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You have an incredible business background.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I still think a lot of our audience doesn't know you,
so I'm going to ask you to give like a
quick bio for this audience. But you have an incredible
business background. You've built I think I'm correcting this a
multi billion dollar business in a place where I don't
think a lot of people contemplate multi billion dollar tech
business is being built in North Dakota. I'm curious how
you did that. And then you have used that business knowledge,
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which is what I love, because you've had to make
make payroll, and you've had to understand the challenges that
come with running a for profit business, which frankly most
politicians haven't. You've translated those skills to running a state efficiently.
I like that combo. I think to a large extent,
that's what Trump.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Was able to appeal to.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Obviously he had no political background before, But how has
business aided you in your political career? And quickly your
background for people out there listening to us right now
that may not still be that familiar with you.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Well, thank you. Clag Quick story is, I grew up
in a town of three hundred people. This town had,
you know, gravel streets, one paved road, the State Highway
of running through it, not a computer in the town.
Fabulous place to grow up. Every job I had working
at the farm, the ranch, the grain elevator, you know,
started a little construction company putting up steel bins with
buddies like when we were in high school, you know,
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actually worked as a chimney sweep to pay my way
through North Scota State undergrad. All of that stuff was
jobs where I took a shower at the end of
the day. I mean, I understand what it is to
get up and work and work all day long in
you know, really some of the like some of the
jobs I had that the elevator should be on the
episode of World's Dirtiest Jobs. Anyway you do that, you
understand and appreciate what it's like to, you know, for
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a paycheck. But I'm thirteen years old. My dad dies,
he's a World War two Navy. My mom had to
go back to work, widow, three kids. I know what
it's like to have economic insecurity and for somebody, a
single mom working to do that. Now pass forward. I'm
in my mid twenties and I got one hundred and
sixty acres of farm ground, which is in dry land
wheat farming. That's not enough to actually farm. You can't
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be a farmer in Northcote. You need a thousand those days,
a thousand acres Now it's thousands to be able to
have an economic unit for dry land farming. But I
had that ground, and I had I'd seen my first
apple to computer, and I'm like, that's going to change
the world. So I literally took a mortgage out on
the farm. I bet the farmland I got for my dad,
which you'd never do. That's a giant no no, when
it's been you know, homesteaded and paid for you know you.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
But I did it.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
And that was the capital. You couldn't get venture capital
those days. No one had heard of a software company.
We started with less than ten people, and we just
built a two thousand person company. We had a great
run as a public company, got acquired for one point
one billion, and then I stayed there and then continued
to build that into even a much larger business as
part of a as part of a larger operation. So
I've had people working for me in one hundred and
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twenty countries, customers all over the world, in some of
the largest you know, employees working for me in the
largest cities, places where you didn't have the team members,
didn't have the right to vote, they didn't have the
right to assemble, right to bear arms. I mean, you
build an appreciation for this country when you see what
the rest of the world is. But that having that
experience and then saying hey, I'm going to run for governor.
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People said, oh, you can't win, You've never done it.
You're down fifty points in the poll. We ended up
winning in sixteen and in twenty twenty by over forty points,
largest margins of any governor races in the country in
those years. We won by because we just said, hey,
we're going to bring We're going to treat the taxpayer
like a customer. We're going to have a technology background,
how we're going to make government services more efficient and effective,
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and we're going to serve everybody. We're not just working
for the party that elected us, because when you get elected,
we're in an executive branch. You work for everybody. Everybody
drives on the roads. When we have a blizzard in
North Dakota, which by the way, is the size of
all six New England states. When we have a blizzard,
we filed the roads for the Independence, the Democrats, the Republicans,
you name it. We're plowing the roads for everybody. And
that's what it is. For all the stuff our schools are,
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you know, healthcare, all the stuff were involved in. I
don't know how this became so divisive and politicized, right,
do that in Congress put on a jersey, red jersey,
blue jersey, and you know, and throw bombs at each other.
But when the executive branch has got to be red,
white and blue, we got to We're doing it for everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Do you think Joe Biden's going to be the Democrat nominee.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
If he's alive, Yeah, he will be. I mean, I
think the only scenario in the possible world would be
somehow which is an impossible thing. So I think it's
near zero. But if somehow Donald Trump was not in
the race or just said hey, I'm going to you know,
take my billions and go, you know, retire, or do something.
(27:48):
If he said he was going to be out, they'd
be in a panic because the one thing that's holding
the Democrat Party together is our former president because they
use him for fundraising, they use him for getting out
the vote, they use them for you know, motivating their base.
And I think Biden doesn't exist without Trump in twenty
twenty four. I mean they would without Trump, I think,
(28:09):
you know there, because that's the one person that they
think they can be, that's they can he can be
the rallying cry for the Democrats to win. And so
it's it's just an interesting thing. But I'm not I'm
not a pundit. I'm not running to be a pundit.
I'm running to be president. I'm running against Joe Biden.
And Joe Biden's policies on economy, energy, and national security
are completely one hundred percent, one hundred and eighty degrees
(28:30):
in the wrong direction. And that's why we've got this
high inflation and high interest rates. That's why we're you know, out,
you know, we're trying to kill the US energy industry
and we're empowering dictators, you know, buy ed batteries from China.
And then when you kill the US oil industry. I
guess we'll just buy all of our own gas from
Venezuela and h inn Opek because the demand for energy
(28:50):
globally is not going down. When you kill the US
energy industry, other people replace it. Russia, Venezuela, Opak, these
guys replaced that production. It makes the word they produce
it dirtier than we do. So these environmentalists that think
they're saving the world by driving an ev for shutting
down a pipeline in the US, all it does is
just diplace dismand displace demand. That demand comes from people
(29:14):
that don't have epas, that don't care about the environment
the way we do, and the world gets the world
environment becomes worse. And so that's why I say one
hundred and eighty degrees. If you cared about the environment,
you would be insisting that we build pipelines in the US,
that we use clean US energy, that we have every
drop and every electron made in our country, not someplace else.
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And then of course we do that. That's how we
win the Cold War with China, because China imports ten
million barrels of oil a day. The one tool we
could use to win a Cold war with China is
food security and energy security, and our diplomats the four
cabinet leaders have been there don't even bring those two
topics up because they're too busy trying to regulate our
own country out of business.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I asked you about Biden.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You obviously would be running against him in theory if
you were there, But Donald Trump is a prohibitive favorite
right now, Why are you a better choice than Donald Trump?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Well, I think that the real answer lies here in
having competition for the Republican Party, and the voters in
Iowa and New Hampshire are going to get to decide that.
When I look at the polls in New Hampshire and
I say, hey, if you've got the leader at forty
two percent, that means fifty eight percent of the people
today three months before they don't even have all There's
lots of new information, you know, people like you that
(30:29):
may not have heard of me two weeks ago. Everybody
in the country has all the information they can on
Donald Trump. You can't really add more information into it.
Every voter's already made up their mind. So between now
and January, those fifty eight percent of the people that
are looking around for alternatives that's a majority. You know,
ignore the national polls. There isn't campaigns happening nationally. They're
happening in Iowa and New Hampshire right now. That's the
(30:51):
real signal, not the noise. And and those folks are
looking and there's a lot of new information we can
put in to say, hey, here's someone, as you said,
that's got you know where I've been making payroll every
two weeks since my mid twenties. I've created more jobs
than all those other candidates that I was on the
stage on with the other night, and likely the former
president himself, with all the companies that I've involved with
(31:11):
in the job creation, and they're high paying jobs with
meaning is what I've been involved in the tech industry.
And now we're in a world where every job, every company,
and every industry is changing. We're in a cyber war
every day. Wouldn't be amazing to have someone in the
White House that actually understood what it meant to be
a working American and have somebody who understood the technology
of what it's going to take for us to improve
(31:32):
our military, secure our borders, in supercharge our economy. That
would be cool. And I hear that from all the time,
and people like, why don't we just get a common
guy to actually run who knows who's got high executive function,
has proven he can get it done at the state level.
And in North Dakota we've got the highest GDP of
any Republican led state. We're on track to have the
highest in the country. We've got among the highest education scores.
(31:54):
We aren't having the issues that folks are having in
some of these large cities. We understand borders three sixty
mile border with Canada, and I had software in nineteen
eighty nine. My software was getting stolen by China. Some
people discovered China, you know, in the last month. You
know what I've been saying for a long time, we're
in a cold war with China because they were stealing
my software thirty four years ago. And walked into a
(32:17):
street market in China and there was Great Plaine software
for a buck for a five and a quarter is
floppy in nineteen eighty nine, they've stolen trillions from us.
So someone who's got the experience I have and the
ability to mobilize great, high performing teams, you know, I
think it's an interesting thing. And voters are going to
get a chance to decide, and I went in Hampshire.
If they think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
In January, he's Doug Burgham, Governor of North Dakota. If
people want to find out more, where should they go online.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Doug Burgham dot com.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Outstanding stuff. I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Good luck as this process continues to play self out, Governor.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Clay love to be back on. Thanks for letting me
run and introduce myself to your audience. But appreciate everything
you're Doingpreciate the opportunity to be on with you, and
thank you for those nice comments you made the other night.
Everybody in my family just wants me to say thank you. Clay.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, I hope you think thank you for your family
for those kind words. And also good luck recovering on
that achilles. I mean that has to be crazy to
be traveling and working as hard as you can while
you're recovering simultaneously. And I hope you get back on
the basketball court soon.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Well, thank you, And I do want to say if
anybody wants to have a contest and who's got the
strongest right leg. I'm ready to go right now after
five weeks on one leg, but we'll be back for sure. Well,
thank you, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I want to tell you I live here in Tennessee.
You guys know that, and I love preserving memories. I
was just talking about going to Epcot seeing President Ronald
Reagan when I was four or five years old. My
mom said she texted me she was listening down on
the Florida Gulf Coast right now on the beach.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
She said.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The way she kept track of me was she could
see my red little tennis shoes when I was all
the way up at the front of that rope line.
There are a lot of pictures of me and those
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Want to preserve those forever. They're old photographs. There's also
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Doug Bergham. It's pretty good, huh. I do like the
idea of a guy who has had to make payroll
being involved at a high level in the United States governm.
(35:01):
I know Trump has done this too, But any of
you out there that have ever founded a small business
and had other people's paychecks reliant on your work know
a feeling that, frankly a lot of people don't. Where
you'll be laying in bed late at night and suddenly
you just wake up and you just go to work.
(35:22):
I mean middle of the night. You're like, hey, I've
got it. I've The amount of hours that you end
up working if you own a small business that grows
into a larger business.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Is off the charts, and it.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Teaches you how to make sure that you're focusing on
the things that matter the most. And I just think
it's an incredibly valuable skill to have for anyone involved
in government, because so few people in government have any
clue where a paycheck comes from or how to run
a business for profit. To wish we only had people
(36:01):
who ran.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Business as for profit representing us in the United States government.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Because I think we'd have a lot better balance. We
certainly wouldn't be thirty three trillion dollars in debt. I'll
tell you that much. Right now, we'll talk some about
this potential shutdown. I'll give you my take to start
off the next hour. We're also going to be joined
by Tommy Larin And speaking of business guys, how about
Elon Musk. The guy's got like twenty eight jobs and
(36:27):
he just decided that he needs to go down to
the border because where SpaceX is based. He's fired up
and frustrated about our government. We'll talk about that as well.
The borders a mess next
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Out number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Buck in the process
of moving into a new place in South Florida. He'll
be back with me on Monday, but for Friday, as
we roll into the weekend, he is engaged in the
moving process with his lovely wife Carrie, and I bet,
I'll bet, in fact, I know that he would much
(00:28):
rather be here because he was not excited about the
moving process. But he'll be back with us on Monday.
A lot to get into here in the next couple
hours of the program, but I wanted to hit you
with this news that's just dropped in the last twenty
some odd minutes. And this is a long running unsolved mystery,
murder mystery Las Vegas. I'm reading from the Associated Press.
(00:52):
Las Vegas police have made an arrest for the very
first time in the nineteen ninety six killing of rapper
Tupac Shakur. A person with and I'm reading from the AP.
A person with firsthand knowledge of the arrest told the
Associated Press Dwayne Davis was taken into custody Friday morning,
(01:13):
says Davis is the uncle of the suspected shooter. This
is according to the AP, and has long been linked
to the investigation. The arrest comes two months after Las
Vegas police searched a home tied to Davis. Tupac Shakur
just twenty five years old when he was gunned down
(01:34):
in a drive by shooting near the Las Vegas Strip
has now been twenty seven years ago. And if I
remember correctly, and I think I am right about this,
I think he was shot in the immediate aftermath. A
lot of you will remember this and staff correct me
if I'm wrong on the date here. I think he
(01:56):
was shot after the Mike Tyson of Vander H. Holy
Field ear biting fight. If you remember that crazy fight
back in the day when Mike Tyson spit out his
mouthpiece and bit Evander Holyfield's ear. I believe that happened
in nineteen ninety six in Las Vegas, and Tupac Shakur
(02:19):
was shot in the aftermath of that fight. All the
celebrities were out to watch that boxing match. I think
I'm correct in that. I know it was in the
aftermath of a boxing match, I believe, but if the
staff can correct me on that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
But that is big news.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't know how many of you are paying a
lot of attention to that story or were familiar with it,
But an unsolved murder, probably one of the most famous
unsolved murders in current American history, potentially someone being charged
with that crime. We got a couple of good calls
(02:55):
there as we were going into the break at the
end of the first hour, and it reminded me of
something that I think is important. Do you remember how
Joe Biden ended up the nominee in twenty twenty. There's
so much chaos that happened in twenty twenty, starting in
(03:17):
March when COVID shutdowns and everything else happened, that I
feel like a lot of the twenty twenty Democrat primary
race has been kind of ignored because so much attention
then flowed in on the COVID response and all the
chaos associated with that. But I want to take you
(03:40):
back in time. I want to take you back in
time to the winter of twenty twenty, before Joe Biden
was the presumptive nominee.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
He was getting smoked in the Democrat race.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Joe Biden came in and the staff can also look
up on this. I think it was sixth in Iowa
and fifth in New Hampshire, or vice versa. He didn't
just get beat he got slaughtered in both those places.
The two states where voters get to know the candidates
(04:18):
the best, where you have to travel around all ninety
nine counties, where you have to go to all the
different diners. In New Hampshire, where voters can legitimately say,
sometimes you'll see quotes like this. We'll say, hey, how
are you leaning Iowa? New Hampshire, And they can legitimately say,
(04:39):
in those states, if you're really politically active, I haven't
decided yet. I've only met the candidate a couple of
times so far.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Most people, in our entire lives, we never get to
meet someone face to face. Whoever runs for president, right
they're three hundred and forty million, three hundred and thirty million,
whatever the heck it is. There are millions of you
listening right now. Most people, if you get to see
the president at some point in time, it's a really
(05:14):
big deal. I went to George Washington University every now
and then the motorcade for the president because I'm in Washington,
d C. Would come running by. At that point in time,
it was Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were the presidents.
If you just got to see the president drive by
(05:36):
and you could say I saw him with my own eyes,
it was a big deal. And I know a lot
of you out there listening they are like, yeah, I
getting to see a president with my own eyes a
big deal. I remember when I was a little kid,
I think it was nineteen eighty four or thereabouts, Ronald
Reagan came to Epcot down at Disney World. And this
(06:00):
was before Disney had lost its mind. I don't even
know that they would let Donald Trump go to Disney World.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Right now, I can't.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Believe I could say that, Like, if Donald Trump was like, hey,
I want to go to Epcot and do a rally
and speak, There's no way Disney would let him do it, right,
Am I crazy?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You know?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They wouldn't let him do it. I'm surprised they still
have him in the Hall of Presidents. So, but back then,
before Disney World had gone woke, before everybody had lost
their mind, Ronald Reagan president of the United States. He's
doing a speech at Epcot, and my mom's probably listening.
She can correct me if I'm wrong about this. I
think I was five years old. There was a huge
(06:36):
rope line. It is probably one hundred and eighty degrees
that day in Florida, because, believe it or not, even
before global warming, it was hot in Florida. It's one
hundred and eighty degrees. I'm in like knee socks, those
little tiny Adidas short shorts that kids used to wear
(06:57):
back in the day. They may be popular again. I
think they will be soon. And I'm tiny. I'm four
or five years old, and as a result, I'm able
to go all the way to the front rope line
at Epcot nineteen eighty four, and Ronald Reagan is going
to come by in the presidential limo and they have
(07:19):
a parade, and it's so hot that day that I
remember they had. I think it was majorrettes. Is it
a major at who twirls the batons? I think they're
still called major etes. Hopefully that's not offensive term. Now
they probably have, you know, trans baton twirlers now who
are really impressive. But back then, majorats girls they twirl
the baton. Major att is standing there. They're all standing
(07:41):
waiting for Ronald Reagan to come by. It's so hot
that the girls start falling out. I remember, four or
five years old, standing there. The girls are falling down.
They have people coming around in these little with these
little paper cups. It's one hundred and eighty degrees. Everybody
is so excited at the idea that you could see
the President of the United States, that people are legitimately
(08:04):
falling down at Epcot president comes rolling by. I still
remember how incredible that moment is. Even as a four
or five year old kid. That was the very first
time that I had ever seen the president, and I
couldn't believe that I had gotten to see him with
my own eyes. So most people getting to see the
president say nothing of shake his hand, get a picture.
(08:27):
Getting to see the president is for most people an
incredible achievement in person your own eyes. The people who
saw Joe Biden the most in twenty twenty, voters in
Iowa and voters in New Hampshire, they put him in
fifth or sixth place. They said, we have seen this
(08:50):
guy so many times that there is no way that
this could ever be the president of the United States.
Don't dismiss What then happened Number one, Bernie Sanders. Do
you remember after New Hampshire what that looked like. Bernie
(09:13):
Sanders was in first place. Do you know who was
in second place? Mayor Pete was in second place, and
the Democrat power brokers just said, nah, h Bernie's gonna lose.
He's a socialist, Mayor Pete. There's no way people are
(09:35):
voting for him. He's a gay white dude. They won't
even talk about it in the Democrat Party. But the
reality is, black guys aren't voting for a gay white dude.
They won't even mention it. Black dudes aren't voting for
a gay white guy. Mayor Pete has a zero percent
(09:56):
chance of ever being elected President of the United States.
I honestly mean this. I don't think it's possible that
it could happen in my life now. Maybe thirty years
from now, black dudes are going to be like, Okay,
I'm okay voting for a gay white guy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They won't mention it, they won't explain it, but they
just said, yeah, he's not happening. Elizabeth Warren was too
old and also too much of a socialist. She was
kind of like Bernie, except with longer hair, and so
Pocahontas also with the major Native American connection. You would think,
given identity politics, that Pocahontas Warren would have been like
(10:33):
a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I mean, she's got every Native American pow wow chow books,
she wrote everything. So they just said.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Joe Biden is our guy, boom, and they made the choice.
The reason why I bring all this up is Democrats
play to win. That's all they care about. They are nasty,
you have to admire it. They just said, old socialist, Sorry, Bernie,
you're done. Gay white dude, you're done, old white guy.
(11:08):
Joe Biden, you're our choice. James Clyburn said, everybody, go
vote for him. They all went and voted for him.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It was over.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I was thinking about this in the wake of Wednesday.
Who in the Republican Party has the balls to actually
do something like that. Surely Trump has the balls, that's
why he's popular, right, But what the Republican Party should
actually do is say, Okay, Mike Pence, you're done. Chris Christy,
(11:39):
you're done. You had your time on the stage. There's
a zero percent chance that you are going to be
the nominee. Let's have an actual fistfight here between. There's
really three people, and we're gonna talk to Doug Bergham next.
And I thought he was great on the stage on
Wednesday night. I don't think Doug Burgham has a chance
(12:02):
to be the nominee. I really like him. I like
the business background. I like the fact that he is
governing and actually getting things done in North Dakota.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's what I would like to see in a president.
I don't think he has any chance.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Democrats just wiped out their guys that didn't have any
chance and decided Joe Biden was the choice and they won.
Is anybody in the Republican Party going to make any
of these other dudes who have no chance drop out
and actually figure out who the nominee is going to be?
At this point in time, and my always humble opinion,
(12:40):
there are three people who could win the Republican nomination,
Donald Trump, who is the favorite, Ron DeSantis, and Nicki Haley.
Everybody else should be out of the race. Let those
three fight it out. Trump would still be the favorite,
but you need to end up with the best possible
(13:02):
candidate that allows you to win.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Democrats, they do it. Republicans. It's a lot of people
that don't actually make anything happen. And I just want
you to think about what Democrats did in twenty twenty
to grab power, and think about what they're doing to
Trump now to try to grab power, and ask yourself this,
(13:28):
do Republicans actually want to win?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Or do they just want to be nice? I think
we got too many nice people. I want to kick ass.
I want my opponents to cry. In sports, you don't
sit around and say, man, I hope we can win
by a field goal if everything goes perfect. Seems like
to me, Republicans every election hope that everything goes perfect
(13:56):
and they win by a field goal. I want to
crush my opponents. I want to beat them by fifty.
Why doesn't anybody else just think about gonna be joined
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That is two. I bet that's the first time Tupac
has ever been played on this program. This is Tupac
probably Tupac's most famous song. Kill that twenty five years old.
If you just got in your car and you're like,
why in the world how did that?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
They have arrested the potential murderer of Tupac and I
wanted to clean up a couple. I was a little
bit off on the on the event that Tupac was attending.
I thought it was the Mike Tyson Evander Holyfield earbiting fight.
I don't even remember this dude, but he was there
for a Mike Tyson fight.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
But Tyson was fighting.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Bruce Selden, So it was in the aftermath of a
Mike Tyson fight, but not the Mike Tyson fight that
I thought. My mom also texted me and said, my
recollection of Epcot.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And Ronald Reagan is correct. Can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
If Trump asked to deliver a speech at Disney World.
The Trump people, a lot of them listen make the request.
I don't think they would let him. I don't think
they would. Let you think about that. Ronald Reagan doing
an event at Epcot feels very American. He's delivering a
(16:13):
speech nineteen eighties. I don't think Disney World would allow
Donald Trump to deliver a speech at one of their
themed parks today. That's even if you were president of
the United States. I think they would disallow it. I'd
never really thought about it before, but I mean, that's
kind of evidence of how much as a country we
(16:36):
have turned into tribal craziness. That the President of the
United States couldn't even speak at Epcot. I mean, it's
pretty wild to think about. Uh, let's see Tyler in Colorado.
What you got for us?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
First of all, really really appreciate your show. It's one
of those few time of the day, would I had
get some hope going to in uh I was. I
totally agree with everything you said about what the Democrats
did in twenty twenty, except also I think that they
knew that they had all of the traps laid so
that they could legally ballot harvest. And then of course
(17:15):
there's the media influence. But anyway, I'll hang up and listen.
But I just wanted to say thank you first of all,
and add that I don't I have a fear for
twenty four that you know, the Republicans say they just
stay in there, the chairman stays in the hotel room,
and doesn't We've got to do the lea what we
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is legally in place, according to the rules, to get
a bigger voat turn out.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Thank you, I agree, and I've talked to a lot
of people in positions of power. Figure out what the
Democrats did to put John Fetterman in office. John Fetterman
doesn't deserve to be there. He can't do the job.
Got to replicate it, though, figure out what they did,
deconstructed to the same thing for twenty four You know
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Buck is out moving today.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
He will be back with us on Monday.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm joined now by North Dakota Governor, who did really well,
I thought on the stage on Wednesday, Doug Bergham, Governor.
What has the reaction been from Wednesday's debate so far?
As you can tell.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Well, first of all, Clay, great to be on with you.
But while the reaction has been terrific, I think people
are like I do things, which is, this guy's got
a lot to say about economy, energy and national security.
And then the second thing they're saying is, you know,
why was Spock's News trying to shut him down, threatening
to cut off his microphone because he's got something out
(19:30):
to the conversation.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So before we get into Wednesday, the first debate, I
don't know that I know the full story. You were
playing basketball with your with your staff and you injured yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
How, what's the what?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That was one of the most amazing things I thought
to happen before the Milwaukee debate.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I don't know what you had.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Spent on running for election, but getting injured playing pickup
basketball was probably the one thing on the on the
board that you did not have contemplation.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
What happened there?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Well, first of all, I've played basketball my entire life,
and I've been blessed with having I've got enormous gratitude
for my legs. I mean, between you know, marathons, ten
k's basketball, thirty five years of organized softball, all the
stuff I've done barefoot, water skating, climbing mountains, never had
a knee or ankle injury. So, hey, we're in Milwaukee,
(20:25):
the Bates at the Bucks Stadium. We've got Marquette basketball powerhouse,
and they're like, we're going to get a chance to
go place shoot some hoops over at Marquette. I'm like,
I'm in over over there, and you know, and went
from you know, shooting around a horse to hey, let's
play some pickup a little more competitive and then got
going anyway, I've ended up blowing my achilles. It completely
(20:46):
ruptured it. And this is like twenty eight hours before
the debate. So I don't know if you heard it
in the first debate.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I was.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It was named the best presidential debate performance ever by
an individual standing on one leg.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So all on, what's your staff's reaction when you go
down and you're like, I think I tore my achill? Like,
could you tell immediately did you feel a pop? I mean,
this feels like something that would happen in a television show,
because I can only imagine your staff. Did anybody like
bump into you, did anybody try to challenge a shot?
Was it non contact? I got to know how this happened.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Well, you know, having played ball my whole life and
having to do some really fun peak experience, like going
to the Michael Jordan basketball camp in nineteen ninety eight
right after he won his six championship. My coaches there
were Dean Smith and John Thompson.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I mean that as bad ass. That is awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, it's been a great sport. But I three times
in my career having played you know, organized league ball,
you know, winning state tournament tournaments for the you know
under thirty, over thirty, over fifty, all this stuff. I
three times I've been on the court when people blown
their achilles. Each time they went down, no one was
near him. Each time they were on the floor, and
they said, somebody kicked me. Who kicked me?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
And I went down. I went down. I was trying
to break the other guy's ankles put on a move, boom,
I go down and they said what. The first thing
I said was who kicked me? Yeah? And I heard
myself say that. And then they said did you sprain
your ankle? And I said no, I ruptured my achilles
And they're like, no, you didn't, No, you didn't. You're okay,
walk it off, walk it off until I ruptured my achilles.
(22:19):
And they're like, how do you know? I mean, because
this is apparently what people say when they rupture their achilles.
And now when you have it and then it's national news,
not quite like Aaron Rodgers, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah what did you think when you saw Aaron Rodgers?
I mean that had to be like, I mean, I
imagine your recovery process while you're on the on the
trail is super difficult as well.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah it is. And then somebody showed me the close
up video of you could actually see the ripple in
the sock, and I kind of turned my stomach a
little bit. So I only watched that once. But yeah,
that's exactly what it feels. It feels like a little
bit like someone just took a hatchet and hitting the
back of the calf when you weren't looking. But anyway,
we're we you know, we's have a phrase in North
Dakota cowboy up. I mean at twenty four hours and
(22:58):
people said, oh, you're not gonna be able to stand
up there for two hours, and I said, I got
one good leg I could do that. So that's what
we did on the first one, but this one was
a lot more fun because I was not in extreme
pain like I was staring the first debate.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So here's what I love about what I have been
able to clean from you so far.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You have an incredible business background.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I still think a lot of our audience doesn't know you,
so I'm going to ask you to give like a
quick bio for this audience. But you have an incredible
business background. You've built I think I'm correcting this a
multi billion dollar business in a place where I don't
think a lot of people contemplate multi billion dollar tech
business is being built in North Dakota. I'm curious how
you did that. And then you have used that business knowledge,
(23:40):
which is what I love, because you've had to make
make payroll, and you've had to understand the challenges that
come with running a for profit business, which frankly most
politicians haven't. You've translated those skills to running a state efficiently.
I like that combo. I think to a large extent,
that's what Trump.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Was able to appeal to.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Obviously he had no political background before, But how has
business aided you in your political career? And quickly your
background for people out there listening to us right now
that may not still be that familiar with you.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Well, thank you. Clag Quick story is, I grew up
in a town of three hundred people. This town had,
you know, gravel streets, one paved road, the State Highway
of running through it, not a computer in the town.
Fabulous place to grow up. Every job I had working
at the farm, the ranch, the grain elevator, you know,
started a little construction company putting up steel bins with
buddies like when we were in high school, you know,
(24:34):
actually worked as a chimney sweep to pay my way
through North Scota State undergrad. All of that stuff was
jobs where I took a shower at the end of
the day. I mean, I understand what it is to
get up and work and work all day long in
you know, really some of the like some of the
jobs I had that the elevator should be on the
episode of World's Dirtiest Jobs. Anyway you do that, you
understand and appreciate what it's like to, you know, for
(24:56):
a paycheck. But I'm thirteen years old. My dad dies,
he's a World War two Navy. My mom had to
go back to work, widow, three kids. I know what
it's like to have economic insecurity and for somebody, a
single mom working to do that. Now pass forward. I'm
in my mid twenties and I got one hundred and
sixty acres of farm ground, which is in dry land
wheat farming. That's not enough to actually farm. You can't
(25:16):
be a farmer in Northcote. You need a thousand those days,
a thousand acres Now it's thousands to be able to
have an economic unit for dry land farming. But I
had that ground, and I had I'd seen my first
apple to computer, and I'm like, that's going to change
the world. So I literally took a mortgage out on
the farm. I bet the farmland I got for my dad,
which you'd never do. That's a giant no no, when
it's been you know, homesteaded and paid for you know you.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
But I did it.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
And that was the capital. You couldn't get venture capital
those days. No one had heard of a software company.
We started with less than ten people, and we just
built a two thousand person company. We had a great
run as a public company, got acquired for one point
one billion, and then I stayed there and then continued
to build that into even a much larger business as
part of a as part of a larger operation. So
I've had people working for me in one hundred and
(26:02):
twenty countries, customers all over the world, in some of
the largest you know, employees working for me in the
largest cities, places where you didn't have the team members,
didn't have the right to vote, they didn't have the
right to assemble, right to bear arms. I mean, you
build an appreciation for this country when you see what
the rest of the world is. But that having that
experience and then saying hey, I'm going to run for governor.
(26:23):
People said, oh, you can't win, You've never done it.
You're down fifty points in the poll. We ended up
winning in sixteen and in twenty twenty by over forty points,
largest margins of any governor races in the country in
those years. We won by because we just said, hey,
we're going to bring We're going to treat the taxpayer
like a customer. We're going to have a technology background,
how we're going to make government services more efficient and effective,
(26:45):
and we're going to serve everybody. We're not just working
for the party that elected us, because when you get elected,
we're in an executive branch. You work for everybody. Everybody
drives on the roads. When we have a blizzard in
North Dakota, which by the way, is the size of
all six New England states. When we have a blizzard,
we filed the roads for the Independence, the Democrats, the Republicans,
you name it. We're plowing the roads for everybody. And
that's what it is. For all the stuff our schools are,
(27:07):
you know, healthcare, all the stuff were involved in. I
don't know how this became so divisive and politicized, right,
do that in Congress put on a jersey, red jersey,
blue jersey, and you know, and throw bombs at each other.
But when the executive branch has got to be red,
white and blue, we got to We're doing it for everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Do you think Joe Biden's going to be the Democrat nominee.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
If he's alive, Yeah, he will be. I mean, I
think the only scenario in the possible world would be
somehow which is an impossible thing. So I think it's
near zero. But if somehow Donald Trump was not in
the race or just said hey, I'm going to you know,
take my billions and go, you know, retire, or do something.
(27:48):
If he said he was going to be out, they'd
be in a panic because the one thing that's holding
the Democrat Party together is our former president because they
use him for fundraising, they use him for getting out
the vote, they use them for you know, motivating their base.
And I think Biden doesn't exist without Trump in twenty
twenty four. I mean they would without Trump, I think,
(28:09):
you know there, because that's the one person that they
think they can be, that's they can he can be
the rallying cry for the Democrats to win. And so
it's it's just an interesting thing. But I'm not I'm
not a pundit. I'm not running to be a pundit.
I'm running to be president. I'm running against Joe Biden.
And Joe Biden's policies on economy, energy, and national security
are completely one hundred percent, one hundred and eighty degrees
(28:30):
in the wrong direction. And that's why we've got this
high inflation and high interest rates. That's why we're you know, out,
you know, we're trying to kill the US energy industry
and we're empowering dictators, you know, buy ed batteries from China.
And then when you kill the US oil industry. I
guess we'll just buy all of our own gas from
Venezuela and h inn Opek because the demand for energy
(28:50):
globally is not going down. When you kill the US
energy industry, other people replace it. Russia, Venezuela, Opak, these
guys replaced that production. It makes the word they produce
it dirtier than we do. So these environmentalists that think
they're saving the world by driving an ev for shutting
down a pipeline in the US, all it does is
just diplace dismand displace demand. That demand comes from people
(29:14):
that don't have epas, that don't care about the environment
the way we do, and the world gets the world
environment becomes worse. And so that's why I say one
hundred and eighty degrees. If you cared about the environment,
you would be insisting that we build pipelines in the US,
that we use clean US energy, that we have every
drop and every electron made in our country, not someplace else.
(29:35):
And then of course we do that. That's how we
win the Cold War with China, because China imports ten
million barrels of oil a day. The one tool we
could use to win a Cold war with China is
food security and energy security, and our diplomats the four
cabinet leaders have been there don't even bring those two
topics up because they're too busy trying to regulate our
own country out of business.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I asked you about Biden.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You obviously would be running against him in theory if
you were there, But Donald Trump is a prohibitive favorite
right now, Why are you a better choice than Donald Trump?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Well, I think that the real answer lies here in
having competition for the Republican Party, and the voters in
Iowa and New Hampshire are going to get to decide that.
When I look at the polls in New Hampshire and
I say, hey, if you've got the leader at forty
two percent, that means fifty eight percent of the people
today three months before they don't even have all There's
lots of new information, you know, people like you that
(30:29):
may not have heard of me two weeks ago. Everybody
in the country has all the information they can on
Donald Trump. You can't really add more information into it.
Every voter's already made up their mind. So between now
and January, those fifty eight percent of the people that
are looking around for alternatives that's a majority. You know,
ignore the national polls. There isn't campaigns happening nationally. They're
happening in Iowa and New Hampshire right now. That's the
(30:51):
real signal, not the noise. And and those folks are
looking and there's a lot of new information we can
put in to say, hey, here's someone, as you said,
that's got you know where I've been making payroll every
two weeks since my mid twenties. I've created more jobs
than all those other candidates that I was on the
stage on with the other night, and likely the former
president himself, with all the companies that I've involved with
(31:11):
in the job creation, and they're high paying jobs with
meaning is what I've been involved in the tech industry.
And now we're in a world where every job, every company,
and every industry is changing. We're in a cyber war
every day. Wouldn't be amazing to have someone in the
White House that actually understood what it meant to be
a working American and have somebody who understood the technology
of what it's going to take for us to improve
(31:32):
our military, secure our borders, in supercharge our economy. That
would be cool. And I hear that from all the time,
and people like, why don't we just get a common
guy to actually run who knows who's got high executive function,
has proven he can get it done at the state level.
And in North Dakota we've got the highest GDP of
any Republican led state. We're on track to have the
highest in the country. We've got among the highest education scores.
(31:54):
We aren't having the issues that folks are having in
some of these large cities. We understand borders three sixty
mile border with Canada, and I had software in nineteen
eighty nine. My software was getting stolen by China. Some
people discovered China, you know, in the last month. You
know what I've been saying for a long time, we're
in a cold war with China because they were stealing
my software thirty four years ago. And walked into a
(32:17):
street market in China and there was Great Plaine software
for a buck for a five and a quarter is
floppy in nineteen eighty nine, they've stolen trillions from us.
So someone who's got the experience I have and the
ability to mobilize great, high performing teams, you know, I
think it's an interesting thing. And voters are going to
get a chance to decide, and I went in Hampshire.
If they think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
In January, he's Doug Burgham, Governor of North Dakota. If
people want to find out more, where should they go online.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Doug Burgham dot com.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Outstanding stuff. I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Good luck as this process continues to play self out, Governor.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Clay love to be back on. Thanks for letting me
run and introduce myself to your audience. But appreciate everything
you're Doingpreciate the opportunity to be on with you, and
thank you for those nice comments you made the other night.
Everybody in my family just wants me to say thank you. Clay.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, I hope you think thank you for your family
for those kind words. And also good luck recovering on
that achilles. I mean that has to be crazy to
be traveling and working as hard as you can while
you're recovering simultaneously. And I hope you get back on
the basketball court soon.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Well, thank you, And I do want to say if
anybody wants to have a contest and who's got the
strongest right leg. I'm ready to go right now after
five weeks on one leg, but we'll be back for sure. Well,
thank you, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I want to tell you I live here in Tennessee.
You guys know that, and I love preserving memories. I
was just talking about going to Epcot seeing President Ronald
Reagan when I was four or five years old. My
mom said she texted me she was listening down on
the Florida Gulf Coast right now on the beach.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
She said.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The way she kept track of me was she could
see my red little tennis shoes when I was all
the way up at the front of that rope line.
There are a lot of pictures of me and those
old red tennis shoes from back in the nineteen eighties.
Want to preserve those forever. They're old photographs. There's also
old videos of my family. We've taken advantage of the
Legacy Box. You can too. They're based in my mom's
(34:12):
hometown a Chattanooga, Tennessee. I spent a lot of time
down there when I was a kid.
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(34:39):
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slash Clay. Welcome Back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show,
Doug Bergham. It's pretty good, huh. I do like the
idea of a guy who has had to make payroll
being involved at a high level in the United States governm.
(35:01):
I know Trump has done this too, But any of
you out there that have ever founded a small business
and had other people's paychecks reliant on your work know
a feeling that, frankly a lot of people don't. Where
you'll be laying in bed late at night and suddenly
you just wake up and you just go to work.
(35:22):
I mean middle of the night. You're like, hey, I've
got it. I've The amount of hours that you end
up working if you own a small business that grows
into a larger business.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Is off the charts, and it.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Teaches you how to make sure that you're focusing on
the things that matter the most. And I just think
it's an incredibly valuable skill to have for anyone involved
in government, because so few people in government have any
clue where a paycheck comes from or how to run
a business for profit. To wish we only had people
(36:01):
who ran.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Business as for profit representing us in the United States government.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Because I think we'd have a lot better balance. We
certainly wouldn't be thirty three trillion dollars in debt. I'll
tell you that much. Right now, we'll talk some about
this potential shutdown. I'll give you my take to start
off the next hour. We're also going to be joined
by Tommy Larin And speaking of business guys, how about
Elon Musk. The guy's got like twenty eight jobs and
(36:27):
he just decided that he needs to go down to
the border because where SpaceX is based. He's fired up
and frustrated about our government. We'll talk about that as well.
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